Re: [Cooker] [PROPOSAL] Show windows drives on desktop

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Wednesday 19 November 2003 04:18 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Coun'ld it be possible to create symbolic links in the user's home
> > pointing at
> > removable media and harddrives, such as (dvd => /mnt/cdrom1, burner =>
> > /mnt/cdrom2) easier to understand for beginner. DOS partitions could also
> > be mounted with their volume name.
>
> This could be a very very very GOOD thing
> Why this was not done before ???!!!
I agree - this would be a nice thing

V.

[Cooker] wireless device drivers

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

Is anybody playing with any of the device drivers for wireless cards that are 
not currently in cooker?  ie madwifi?  I have THREE 802.11b/g cards with 
three different chips, none of which are suppored currently, but all of them 
have after-market project open source drivers.  Which ones work?  which ones 
are not ready for prime time yet?  

I'm still on a laptop that doesn't have enough disk space left to load all the 
kernel sources and stuff necessary to build a driver, but if anyone has built 
and tested these, would it make sense to package them in a separate packege 
for testing?

Thanks,

V.

[Cooker] Problem copying folders with Konqueror

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

Hi,

I don't know if this is a Mandrake problem or a KDE problem, but if you try 
to drag a directory from one directory to another, it thinks they're the same 
and refuses, saying you're copying it onto itself.  Example, if I were to try 
to drag the directory /home/meyerv/.kde2/share/apps/kmail to
/home/meyerv/.kde/share/apps  (notice .kde2 is NOT .kde) it complains the 
source and destination are the same.  Has anybody else noticed this?  

V.

[Cooker] spamassassin broken - an easy fix?

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

Hello,

It appears that the first line of the spamassassin script is using the wrong 
version of perl.  Editing it to the current version allows this to run fine.  
Did I miss an update? or does this need to be repackaged?

V.

[Cooker] Samba update failed?

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

Did a urpmi --auto-select tonight - possible samba update bomb?
Here's the console output:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] meyerv]# urpmi --auto-select
Some package requested cannot be installed:
Wellenreiter-1.9-1mdk.noarch (due to unsatisfied perl-Net-pcap) (Y/n)
To satisfy dependencies, the following packages are going to be installed (35 
MB):
drakconf-9.3-3mdk.i586
drakxtools-9.3-6mdk.i586
drakxtools-newt-9.3-6mdk.i586
harddrake-9.3-6mdk.i586
harddrake-ui-9.3-6mdk.i586
libsmbclient0-3.0.1-0.pre3.2mdk.i586
samba-client-3.0.1-0.pre3.2mdk.i586
samba-common-3.0.1-0.pre3.2mdk.i586
samba-server-3.0.1-0.pre3.2mdk.i586
Is this OK? (Y/n) y


ftp://sunsite.uio.no//linux/Mandrake/Mandrake-devel/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/samba-server-3.0.1-0.pre3.2mdk.i586.rpm

ftp://sunsite.uio.no//linux/Mandrake/Mandrake-devel/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/drakxtools-9.3-6mdk.i586.rpm

ftp://sunsite.uio.no//linux/Mandrake/Mandrake-devel/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/samba-client-3.0.1-0.pre3.2mdk.i586.rpm

ftp://sunsite.uio.no//linux/Mandrake/Mandrake-devel/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/harddrake-ui-9.3-6mdk.i586.rpm

ftp://sunsite.uio.no//linux/Mandrake/Mandrake-devel/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/samba-common-3.0.1-0.pre3.2mdk.i586.rpm

ftp://sunsite.uio.no//linux/Mandrake/Mandrake-devel/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/libsmbclient0-3.0.1-0.pre3.2mdk.i586.rpm

ftp://sunsite.uio.no//linux/Mandrake/Mandrake-devel/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/harddrake-9.3-6mdk.i586.rpm

ftp://sunsite.uio.no//linux/Mandrake/Mandrake-devel/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/drakconf-9.3-3mdk.i586.rpm

ftp://sunsite.uio.no//linux/Mandrake/Mandrake-devel/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/drakxtools-newt-9.3-6mdk.i586.rpm
installing /var/cache/urpmi/rpms/samba-server-3.0.1-0.pre3.2mdk.i586.rpm 
/var/cache/urpmi/rpms/drakxtools-9.3-6mdk.i586.rpm 
/var/cache/urpmi/rpms/samba-client-3.0.1-0.pre3.2mdk.i586.rpm 
/var/cache/urpmi/rpms/harddrake-ui-9.3-6mdk.i586.rpm 
/var/cache/urpmi/rpms/samba-common-3.0.1-0.pre3.2mdk.i586.rpm 
/var/cache/urpmi/rpms/libsmbclient0-3.0.1-0.pre3.2mdk.i586.rpm 
/var/cache/urpmi/rpms/harddrake-9.3-6mdk.i586.rpm 
/var/cache/urpmi/rpms/drakconf-9.3-3mdk.i586.rpm 
/var/cache/urpmi/rpms/drakxtools-newt-9.3-6mdk.i586.rpm
Preparing...##
   1:drakxtools-newt##
   2:drakxtools ##
   3:harddrake-ui   ##
   4:samba-common   warning: /etc/samba/smb.conf created 
as /etc/samba/smb.conf.rpmnew
##
   5:samba-server   ##
   6:samba-client   ##
   7:libsmbclient0  ##
   8:harddrake  ##
   9:drakconf   ##
error: %preun(samba-client-2.2.8a-13mdk) scriptlet failed, exit status 1


V.

Re: [Cooker] spamassassin broken

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Wednesday 12 November 2003 05:31 pm, Shift wrote:
> Le Wednesday 12 November 2003 22:57, Salane KIng a écrit :
> > two errors from spamassissin probably related to perl
> >
> > service spamassassin start
> > Starting spamd: execvp: No such file or directory
> > [FAILED]
> > sa-learn --spam --showdots --dir /home/salane/.Mail/spam-id/cur/
> > bash: /usr//bin/sa-learn: /usr/bin/perl5.8.1: bad interpreter: No such
> > file or directory
>
> Cf  http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-cooker&m=106854407318495&w=2
> I suppose that spamassassin is broken because perl is broken.
>
> Franck
Lots of things broken because perl is broken.  gaim doesn't work either.

V.

[Cooker] Fresh install

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

Hello,

Well, my cooker laptop decided to keel over due to a bad case of code-rot.  
Seems something I updated gave it indigestion... sooo.. I backed up 
everything important, and bombed the thing and did a cooker clean install.
The install went pretty smoothly.   There are a couple things that are still 
buggy, though.

Seems that both the current kernel and the boot kernel have problems setting 
the video mode (ie, vga=791 in my case).  Booting the vgahi image didn't 
help.  Oddly enough, if I go either into Windows first, or into the BIOS 
setup screen, it then will set the mode correctly.  Maybe an initialization 
problem?

I installed the latest kernel, as well as the latest tmb kernel.  The tmb one 
will boot, the stock one won't.. i'll e-mail a specific error message 
tomorrow when I'm more awake and can write it down.

Odd thing, with the stock KDE installed, which includes Konqueror I would 
think, there's no entry in the menu for browse the web or for launching 
Konqueror as a browser.  Is this normal?

Sound worked OK until I loaded my backup desktop files, then it started with 
the soundserver error boxes about not being able to set real-time priority 
and running soundwrapper.  Wonder what I broke?

If installing KDE, and installing on a machine with a sound card, shouldn't 
kmix install by default?  Default install has no workable mixer, had to find 
and individually select the package separately.

More info in the AM... time for bed.

V.

[Cooker] Interesting KDE stuff - IRKick

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

Loaded a bunch of kde updates, and there was a new icon in the kicker tray - 
IRKicker.  Looks like some kind of IR remote control thingie.  Hmm..
Right click and select to configure, and nothing happens.  Right click, go to 
help, ask helpcenter for the irkick handbook.. not found.  Brings up the help 
center, but no info on the app.

V.

Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] mandrake-release-10.0-0.1mdk

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

woo hoo!  Time to start cooking again!

V.

On Tuesday 04 November 2003 02:07 pm, Brad Felmey wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 09:41, Warly wrote:
> > - yo
>
> YeeHAW

Re: [Cooker] ANN: synaptics and radeontool

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

I'll grab the synaptics package later today and play with it.

V.

On Monday 03 November 2003 03:22 am, Luca Berra wrote:
> hello,
> i built rpms of synaptics (the X11 touchpad driver)
> and radeontool (switch on/off external monitor and laptop backlight)
>
> http://www.comedia.it/~bluca/cooker/misc/
>
> they will get into contrib if i don't get any negative feedback,
> anyone cares to try them?
>
> regards,
> L.

Re: [Cooker] Broken KDE in Cooker

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Thursday 23 October 2003 03:29 pm, Brad Felmey wrote:
> On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 13:08, Vincent Meyer, MD wrote:
> > SO... has anyone managed to get a working KDE ???
> > Are we waiting for new KDE or QT rpms?
> > If not, does anyone have the last working KDE someplace where I can
> > download a copy?
>
> Yeah, use the qt that comes with the KDE 3.2 alpha packages. I don't
> have the URL handy, but it's in the ML recently. You'll have to manually
> rpm -Uvh them.

Thank you thank you thank you!  Was going into KDE withdrawl...
It works, and I didn't have to force them or anything, they installed clean 
with rpm -Uvh.  For those who missed it, they're at:

http://peoples.mandrakesoft.com/~lmontel/kde-3.2-alpha2/

V.

Re: [Cooker] Broken KDE in Cooker

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

SO... has anyone managed to get a working KDE ??? 
Are we waiting for new KDE or QT rpms? 
If not, does anyone have the last working KDE someplace where I can download a 
copy?

Thanks,

Vinny.

[Cooker] Terminal button doesn't work in ICEWM

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

Since KDE is broken, am temporarily using ICEWM.  At the bottom of the screen 
is the menu button, Terminal button, and Mozilla button.  Terminal button 
doesn't bring up a terminal window, although there is some disk activity.

V.

Re: [Cooker] Broken KDE in Cooker

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Thursday 23 October 2003 03:49 am, Simon Oosthoek wrote:
> I'm sure this was meant as sarcasm, but...
>
> On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 05:57:29AM +0200, Han Boetes wrote:
> > Nope, you guys are our test subjects. Our labrats. :)
> >
> > This is the deal. We make packages and you make decent bugreports or you
> > learn to live with the fact cooker is broken.
>
> What's the use of even uploading a package which has not been tested? The
> simple assumption that a package is broken until proven otherwise would
> already help. Especially if the maintainer of such a package will feel a
> need to only upload correct packages that don't break anything.
>
> If this requires to much work on the maintainer part, why not use a new
> "role": Package maintainer is there, but why not Package Tester. Someone
> who is interested in a certain package and is willing to be a guinneapig
> (sp?) for that package. The maintainer packages a new version, sends it to
> the tester who then tests it and checks whether something breaks. If it's
> ok, the maintainer uploads it to cooker for the rest of the labrats to have
> a go at it!
>
> It's just a thought ;-)
>
> Simon
I'd be happy if there were simply a "rollback" directory on the mirrors.  In 
other words when a package is updated, yesterday's version rolls over to the 
rollback directory.  Also, the reason I said "yesterday's" is often there are 
2-3 quick updates in a row, as little packaging bugs get caught by the 
packager and quickly fixed - would hate to have two broken packages, the 
rollback and the new one, on the mirrors.

Vinny

Re: [Cooker] [IMPORTANT] 9.2 install potentially frying some LG cdrom drives

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Wednesday 22 October 2003 10:31 pm, Robert L Martin wrote:
> On Wednesday 22 October 2003 09:45 am, Leon Brooks wrote:
> > Might help to also report the breed of IDE controller involved, and/or
> > the CPU brand and speed since it sounds like a combination of factors
> > is necessary to fry a drive.
>
> it may be a bit of a darwin problem does the installer try to pull the rpms
> very quickly?
>
> A coroners report on the drive might be helpful
>
> Les coroners rendent compte de la commande pourraient être utiles (used
> babelfish to get the french)
If anyone in the US has a dead one and can part with it, I'd be happy to 
undertake a postmortem on the dead drive.  Contact me off-list if interested.

Vincent Meyer, MD
.. electrical engineer before medical school

Re: [Cooker] Mandrake uses Photoshop... What a pity!

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Wednesday 22 October 2003 09:56 am, Mike wrote:
> If you have ever tried to use gimp for serious work - you will realise
> how cumbersome and not up to the job it is sorry to say that, but it
> is true... even the user interface in gimp takes a while to get used to,
> its layers are a nightmare to use compared to potatoshop
>
> Your subject should have read GIMP not as good as Photoshop What a
> pity!
>
> Mandrake is a professional company, and therefore should use the best
> tool for the job... besides it might have just been contributed by a
> professional designer... they laugh at gimp (im afraid)
>
> Graphics programs take a lot of time to develop and are collossal, open
> source just hasnt had enough time yet
>
> Mike
>
> On Wed, 2003-10-22 at 14:42, Pierre Jarillon wrote:
> > Mount  MandrakeLinux-9.2-17-Download-1.i586.iso
> > And look at:   doc/install/images/LMDK.jpg
> > You don't see anything wrong ?  No, of course.
> > But now try this:
> >
> > $ strings /mount-point-of-mdk9.2-CD1/doc/install/images/LMDK.jpg | head
> > -2 JFIF
> > Photoshop 3.0
> >
> > Grr...
Of course, COULD be running Photoshop with Mandrake and wine ;-)

V.

Re: [Cooker] Torrent ha ha ha.

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Wednesday 22 October 2003 09:37 am, Brook Humphrey wrote:
> On Tuesday 21 October 2003 10:32 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
> > Do you mind if I agree with you?
>
> naw this is not mandrake i have tried a few other torrents also and I am
> almost always dowloading at about 2-6k max when my upload is at 25k this
> goes on for days and weeks before I get the whole thing. Sometimes it jumps
> up to 25k down and up. At those times I know somebody is being nice out
> there.
Got my iso's days ago, and still got torrent running - max upload I'm seeing 
is 10-12 k /sec.  Don't have the biggest pipe in the world, but would expect 
more uploading to be going on.  Oh well.  Will keep 'em running at least 
through the weekend.

V.

Re: [Cooker] Torrent ha ha ha.

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Sunday 19 October 2003 01:57 am, Brad Felmey wrote:

> > Thanks to all of you leaving your torrents turned on.
>
> I got mine at 1.5Mbit in about 4 hours, and have been uploading a steady
> 768Kbit for the last four days. Gonna leave it up until it tapers off.
Mine is running at the office, will leave it up this week.  Steady upload 
traffic, but not nearly what i was expecting, only about 12K / sec.
V.

Re: [Cooker] Mandrake 9.2 update policy

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Monday 06 October 2003 11:00 am, Jan Ciger wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Jos Hulzink wrote:
> |>Very soon MSN is no option at all for non Windows users anyway (15th
> |>October).
> |
> | Which is absolutely not true. Microsoft updated their protocol to be more
> | secure, and they want to know which clients connect to their servers.
>
> They
>
> | never said all other clients will be banned. After the 15th, the Gaim .68
> | will not work anymore for sure, but .70 probably will.
> |
> | Jos
>
> You are reading too many press releases. You missed the part, that MS is
> now requiring a license for any client connecting to their network. Also
> ~ in the name of "better security". That, of course, rules Gaim (and
> other  free clients) out. The move was widely regarded as an attempt to
> close the network to non-MS clients.
>
> They have the transport working, but if MS decides to enforce the rules,
> they will have to remove the support for the protocol.

Or dive for cover and move to PLF :-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Jan
>
>
>
> - --
>
> Jan Ciger
> VRlab EPFL Switzerland
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[Cooker] out of freeze?

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

So can I gather from the 50+ messages in my changelog mailing list folder that 
we're out of freeze now?

V.

Re: [Cooker] Mandrake 9.2 update policy (was: gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out )

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Sunday 05 October 2003 10:43 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > On Sunday 05 Oct 2003 14:55, Thomas Backlund wrote:
> >> Jos Hulzink kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika Sunnuntai 05 Lokakuu
> >> 2003
> >>
> >> 15:30):
> >> > This is not a matter of depending on gaim, this is a matter of
> >>
> >> willing to prevent reviews from writing "Mandrake 9.2 is no good, it
> >> comes with broken software"
> >>
> >> > Mandrake has a nice update feature during install, let's use it,
> >>
> >> instead of defining what a bugfix is. What is better ? A few extra
> >> kB of updates, or a broken distribution ?
> >>
> >> The problem that arises here is "the bigger picture"...
> >> You say "a few extra kB..."
> >> But once you open the "bugfix/security updates" system to this,
> >> where does it end...??
> >>
> >> People will start saying: "... but you updated that package ...", and
> >> "this package adds or modifies this or that feature that is needed...
> >> if we don't have it I consider it's broken... and we can't have a
> >> "broken" distrib..."
> >
> > Now we're comparing OpenOffice with Gaim... What these bugs are for
> > Gaim, is  "oowriter and oocalc won't start" for OpenOffice. (Which
> > actually happened to  me in RC2, but happened to be fixed in time). I.e.
> > buggy enough to make the  package unusable for most people.
>
> Oh, come on. Rename ~/.openoffice with your favourite file management
> tool, and then try again. Or run it from the console to see what the error
> is.
>
> I think Gwenole had problems reproducing it, and I don't remember anyone
> providing a real test case.
>
> >> so where do you draw the line...?
> >> and since all packages always gets updated with more features,
> >> or feature enchancements...
> >
> > To be honest: for me, the sky is the limit, but it's easy talking with a
> > cable  connection. But to draw a line: most packages have a distinction
> > between  bugfix releases and feature releases. Ok, of course with Gaim
> > we got the  exception to this rule...
>
> Exactly, gaim would be a feature release, not a bug release => it should
> not go in updates IMHO, but in unsupported/MandrakeClub.
>
> >> today gaim, tomorrow OpenOffice.org final..., and then ...
> >>
> >> and suddenly the updates mirrors are not a few kB more... instead you
> >> will be calculating the updates in MBs, then in GBs 
> >
> > For some reason I immedately must think about the famous Redmond OS
> > service  packs, sometimes 100 MB in size. You happily download those,
> > for they fix  bugs.
> >
> >> So IMHO here comes the power of an Club membership...,
> >>
> >> join the club and you will most likely get the downloads there... and
> >> all are happy... (you get what you pay for... remember...)
> >
> > You say, become a club member. Ok, fair. Problem is, when I Mr newbe
> > user  download Mandrake, I see a buggy distro, and no updates.
>
> Or, I see that using proprietary, controlled communication protocols is a
> bad idea (Gaim). A new user shouldn't see any problems with OpenOffice.org
> (AFAIK the problem you mention only happens on upgrade).

Only one problem with this - a new Linux user doesn't know or care about open 
source vs proprietary politics, or that using Yahoo and MSN is bad while 
Jabber is good, or whatever.  We can TEACH them about this later, once we 
HAVE them as users.  Problem is if they can't do the simple things they do 
every day with windows - and as much as I hate to admit it, online chat is a 
big one, they won't stay to learn why they can't - they'll just leave.
>
> > In the
> > first place,  I see nowhere that many problems are solved if I pay (and
> > I'm reluctant to  pay, for Mandrake is buggy, and who tells me that my
> > problems are gone after  I paid ?), in the second place, after I paid,
> > the manual how to get the club  updates in, is practically non existent
> > (I found something deep in a forum  once).
>
> What do you mean by buggy
>
> And *real* bug can be filed at bugs.mandrakelinux.com, and will be solved.
>
> For feature updates to software, go to MandrakeClub.
>
> And, BTW, the Mandrake firsttime wizard should set the Club source up for
> you, and if you bought a box, you will get a month membership, so you can
> join immediately (with the product code on the box). It should be
> painless.
>
> > Users are willing to pay for something good, not for something bad that
> > mabye  gets better after they paid. To quote you: "join the club and you
> > will most  likely get the downloads there". I don't see whether that is
> > true, so I  should just pay and hope ? Sorry, that's not the way
> > customers think in 2003.
>
> Sure, but we aren't responsible for other peoples instant messaging
> networks. If they *really* want to play "change-the-protocol", that's
> their problem.
Nope, we're not responsible for them.  We just have to have happy customers 
who can talk to / with them.

>
> > What I am really discussing is the way users see MandrakeSoft, that
> > alm

Re: [Cooker] gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out ...

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Saturday 04 October 2003 05:23 pm, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Sat, 2003-10-04 at 17:16, John Drouhard wrote:
> > On Sat, 4 Oct 2003 06:36:16 +0200
> >
> > Olivier Blin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > #Fix encryption plugin
> > > > mv %buildroot/usr/lib/gaim/encrypt
> > > > %buildroot/usr/lib/gaim/encrypt.so
> > >
> > > It seems to be a libtoolize issue.
> > >
> > > This can easily be fixed :
> > >
> > > #we don't use libtool 1.5 yet
> > > %define __libtoolize /bin/true
> >
> > So what does everyone think about including gaim 0.70 for 9.2? I see it
> > as a bug fix (fixing yahoo and msn), and this would be a + for newbies.
> > Plus, if we didn't include it, reviews may talk about this issue saying
> > it was a poor decision of Mandrake not to include this bug-fixed
> > version.
>
> 9.2 is finalised and gone to duplication. It's way too late. You have to
> learn to let go, man. :D
Doesn't the installer offer to go grab the last-minute updates?  Might make 
sense to make sure one of the first things in there is gaim 0.70.

V.

Re: [Cooker] gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out ...

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Friday 03 October 2003 05:50 pm, John Drouhard wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 15:08:04 -0400
>
> "Vincent Meyer, MD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Friday 03 October 2003 01:21 pm, M. Ignacio Monge wrote:
> > > El vie, 03-10-2003 a las 19:01, Laurent Culioli escribió:
> > > > yes i know but cooker is still frozen :/
> >
> > If you want to play with it, and you already have 0.68 loaded, can
> > grab the package from gaim's website and load it on top of the cooker
> > package, and even though it complains about dependencies works great.
> >
> > The package in 9.2, which is 0.68, will no longer work with Yahoo, and
> > may also have problems with MSN now due to protocol changes by those
> > two chat providers :-(
>
> Maybe we could cheat a little and put 0.70 in there? ;-). This would
> help out new linux users that might be a little frustrated with Yahoo
> and MSN. Maybe the developer's could see this as a bug fix?
>
> Just a thought.
>
> John Drouhard
>
> > V.
> >
> > > When will be unfrozen?
Either that or have it available when the installer prompts for updates at the 
end if it's too late to get it on the 9.2 release CD's.  This IS kind of a 
special case, as a perfectly functional package at the date that things were 
frozen became SERIOUSLY broken during freeze, due to external influences.

Installing a package with two of the three (arguably) most popular protocols 
broken will NOT look good for Mandrake, and 0.70 seems pretty solid - been 
pounding on it since it was released, both on Windows and Cooker.

V.

Re: [Cooker] gaim 0.69 and 0.70 are out ...

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Friday 03 October 2003 01:21 pm, M. Ignacio Monge wrote:
> El vie, 03-10-2003 a las 19:01, Laurent Culioli escribió:
> > yes i know but cooker is still frozen :/
If you want to play with it, and you already have 0.68 loaded, can grab the 
package from gaim's website and load it on top of the cooker package, and
even though it complains about dependencies works great.

The package in 9.2, which is 0.68, will no longer work with Yahoo, and may 
also have problems with MSN now due to protocol changes by those two chat 
providers :-(

V.

>
> When will be unfrozen?

Re: [Cooker] alsaconf won't start?

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Wednesday 01 October 2003 05:02 pm, Michael Scherer wrote:
> On Wednesday 01 October 2003 21:59, Vincent Meyer, MD wrote:
> > Trying to start alsaconf gives:
> >
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] meyerv]# alsaconf
> > device_mode int, description "Device file permission mask for devfs."
> > which: no dialog in
> > (/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/loc
> >al/sbin) which: no whiptail in
> > (/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/loc
> >al/sbin) Error, dialog or whiptail not found.
> >
> >
> > So what the heck's a whiptail?
>
> a software used to show dialog box.
>
> /home/misc $ urpmf whiptail$
>  newt:/usr/bin/whiptail
>
> so, alsaconf should depend on newt, can you file a bug report on the
> package ?
will do!

V.

[Cooker] alsaconf won't start?

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

Trying to start alsaconf gives:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] meyerv]# alsaconf
device_mode int, description "Device file permission mask for devfs."
which: no dialog in 
(/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin)
which: no whiptail in 
(/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin)
Error, dialog or whiptail not found.


So what the heck's a whiptail?

V.

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Monday 29 September 2003 01:50 pm, Nora Etukudo wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 07:21:01PM -0400, jokerman64 wrote:
> > but if updates worked better you'd probably do them wouldn't you?
>
> No, never. ;-)
>
> I hate operating system updates since the early eighties from the last
> millenium (ALTOS XENIX 2.5, 1982).
>
> Liebe Grüße, Nora.
Hmmm... Gee, Nora, I know Mandrake updates pretty well from some of their 
older releases.. but I doubt that you'll be able to update in one jump from 
Altos Xenix 2.5   ;-)

V.

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Sunday 28 September 2003 03:06 pm, FACORAT Fabrice wrote:
> Le dim 28/09/2003 à 14:30, Michael Altizer a écrit :
> > Michael Reinsch wrote:
> > >Hi!
> > >
> > >On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 14:22:14 +0200
> > >
> > >Steffen Barszus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>>- How to have more contributors?
> > >>
> > >>Decreasing time consumption and power needed to participate. It was
> > >>sometimes like fighting against windmills to get heared on the cooker
> > >>list. Splitting up the lists could help here.
> > >
> > >I am against splitting up cooker list because I think nearly everyone
> > >will end up subscribing all/most of those lists.
> > >
> > >And another problem we will see: which list is the correct one for my
> > >question / proposal / discussion? So people will CC all lists which
> > >might be concerned which will bring us even more traffic.
> > >
> > >You might want to have a look at OpenOffice.org. They have several
> > >mailing lists for each sub project. This is (imho) quite confusing and
> > >you see a lot of CCs.
> >
> > I agree with not splitting the list into subcatagories, but one thing
> > that really should be done is splitting the bug reports to a different
> > list, though replies should still go to the main cooker list. (Note: I
> > just use a filter to move bug reports to their own folder for seperate
> > reading, but to many who don't take the time to do so they may complain
> > about the abundance of emails. Also this would be easier on the dialup
> > crowd since Bugzilla emails make up ~33% of the received emails.)
> > -Michael
>
> 100% agree. put bugzilla on its own ML. Having bugzilla on cooker ML is
> disturbing and on top of that you can't respond directly as you do with
> cooker. So this is really appart.
> People wanting to log bugs will join this special ML and everything will
> be fine.
> At this time I have 655 unread bugzilla mails ! I will take me more than
> a day to read everything ( and skip what I don't want ).
Actually, I like this idea, even though i've been mostly against splitting the 
list.  Having bugzilla in a separate list will help both speed up reading the 
cooker mail, and also will help prevent missing something important 
sandwhiched between a bunch of bugzilla messages.

V.

Re: [Cooker] And next ?

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Sunday 28 September 2003 04:19 am, Warly wrote:
> It may be a good idea, before cooker opens again, to take these days to
> have some brainstorm.
>
> May you give your opinion on :
>
> - What was wrong in 9.2 development process?
>
> - We though a bit late in the 9.2 developement process to split cooker ml,
> we should do it now.
As much as getting a few hundred e-mails / day can be overwhelming, I really 
don't want to see the list split into fragments.  I think most of us would 
subscribe to all of them, anyway.  It WOULD be nice to compromise a little, 
maybe have "SERVER" or "DESKTOP" in the subject to allow easy sorting though 
instead of hard-splitting them into separate lists.
>
> - What could we do to improve 9.3/10.0 development.
>
> - What should we do to improve the Wiki.
>
> - Should we have cooker snapshot ISOs?

I would like to see snapshots at times when Cooker is installable.  It is hard 
to test the status of the installer without actually doing an install, and 
until very recently did not have enough disk space on a machine to mirror 
cooker to install off a local machine.
>
> - What could we do, as a community, to increase the acceptance of
> mandrakelinux?
>
> - How to have more contributors?
>
> And anything related to the mandrakelinux distro.
more later,

V.

Re: [Cooker] Re: Draksync question / mirror for members

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Thursday 18 September 2003 07:44 am, John Keller wrote:
> David Walser wrote:
> > Buchan Milne wrote:
> > > Vincent Meyer, MD wrote:
> > >>  Also, the server's built, the line is in, and would be nice to
> > >> get
>
> this
>
> > >> server up and available for use of fellow cookers here in North
> > >
> > > America.  If
> > >
> > >> a graphic tool like Draksync won't do it, does anyone have a favorite
> > >> mirroring script?
> > >
> > > # urpmi rpmsync
> > > ?
> >
> > Yes, please people, use the rpmsync package that's in contrib.  People
> > are still grabbing cooksync off my webserver because the link is still in
> > the wiki.  It should be referring to the rpmsync package now.
>
> I've removed the reference that I found and replaced it with a note about
> rpmsync:
> http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/CookerHowTo#From_a_Local_Mir
>ror
>
> I'm afraid I don't know anything about this utility, or even if it's
> mentioned in the right spot on the page. If you or anyone else would like
> to add anything particular about it (instructions, whatever), just let me
> know.
>
> - John

rpmsync rocks!  ok, the mirror is almost set - but I STILL can't get a fresh 
install of Beta 2 with cooker updates to run the ftp server without the 
server crashing :-(  Even so, at the very least it will be up for 
bittorrenting.  I'd LIKE to have it available to cooker members for grabbing 
the iso's when available.   Anyone familar enough with configuring proftpd 
who wants to use the mirror once it's up that can take a look at the problem 
and give me a hand?  

V.

[Cooker] VGA16 with bad graphics on installer?

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

Hello,

I had to use the installer to fix a problem with my cooker box today, and the 
graphics, both in normal and by hitting F1 and booting vgahi appear to be 
600x800 and vga16.   What files should I send and who should I send 'em to?

V.

Re: [Cooker] Re: Draksync question / mirror for members

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Monday 15 September 2003 08:48 pm, David Walser wrote:
> Buchan Milne wrote:
> > Vincent Meyer, MD wrote:
> >>  Also, the server's built, the line is in, and would be nice to get
> >> this server up and available for use of fellow cookers here in North
> >
> > America.  If
> >
> >> a graphic tool like Draksync won't do it, does anyone have a favorite
> >> mirroring script?
> >
> > # urpmi rpmsync
> > ?
>
> Yes, please people, use the rpmsync package that's in contrib.  People are
> still grabbing cooksync off my webserver because the link is still in the
> wiki.  It should be referring to the rpmsync package now.
Looks like that's what i'm going to use, at least for now.. unfortunately the 
router died of infant mortality (is less than a week old, and is hardware 
problem), so getting the mirror up may be delayed a day or two..

V.

[Cooker] Draksync question / mirror for members

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

Hi,

Does anybody know if Draksync can be used for mirroring from public mirrors 
with rsync?  I'd like to use this to load the mirror  I mentioned on the list 
a couple weeks ago and get things rolling, however when I try to use 
Draksync, it says that the remote server wants a passphrase.  Using just the 
rsync command works fine, with no password or passphrase.

Suggestions??

Also, the server's built, the line is in, and would be nice to get this 
server up and available for use of fellow cookers here in North America.  If 
a graphic tool like Draksync won't do it, does anyone have a favorite 
mirroring script?

V.

Re: [Cooker] Better descriptions for kdenetwork packages?

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Friday 12 September 2003 02:20 am, Laurent Montel wrote:
> Le Friday 12 September 2003 06:15, Vincent Meyer, MD a écrit :
> > Would it be possible to improve the descriptions for the various kde
> > network packages?  This probably fell off the to-do list somewhere, and
> > isn't really THAT high a priority.. but something I noticed while
> > updating tonight.  An example would be:
> >
> > Name: kdenetwork-kxmlrpcd
> > Version: 3.1.3-34mdk
> > Size: 13 KB
> > Medium: Installation CD (ftp1)
> > Currently installed version: 3.1.3-32mdk
> >
> > Summary: kxmlrpcd programm
> >
> > Description: kxmlrpcd programm
> >
> > OK.. so what the heck does it do??  needs a better description.
> >
> > V.
>
> Could you give me a better description ?
> I don't have time to fix it for the moment.
> I prefer to fix critical bugs.
>
> Regards.
Yep - I agree.. work on the critical stuff.  I'll see about e-mailing an 
improved description to cut and paste into the package sometime this weekend.

V.

[Cooker] description formatting in kdeadmin

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

OK, so it's dumb..but the descriptions in kdeadmin should be reformatted to be 
like the other kde packages.

V.

[Cooker] Better descriptions for kdenetwork packages?

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

Would it be possible to improve the descriptions for the various kde network 
packages?  This probably fell off the to-do list somewhere, and isn't really 
THAT high a priority.. but something I noticed while updating tonight.  An 
example would be:

Name: kdenetwork-kxmlrpcd
Version: 3.1.3-34mdk
Size: 13 KB
Medium: Installation CD (ftp1)
Currently installed version: 3.1.3-32mdk

Summary: kxmlrpcd programm

Description: kxmlrpcd programm

OK.. so what the heck does it do??  needs a better description.

V.

[Cooker] description in latest libk3b1 borked

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

Name: libk3b1
Version: 0.9-10mdk
Size: 323 KB
Medium: Installation CD (ftp1)
Currently installed version: 0.9-9mdk

Summary: Libraries from %Name

Description: The libraries from %Name package

Re: [Cooker] pcmcia-cs 3.2.5

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Tuesday 09 September 2003 08:40 am, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
> From freshmeat announcement, latest version provide update for orinoco
> cards, which are very common. Could it be uploaded ?
Does this update correct the problem with any of the wireless cardbus cards 
hard-crashing the computer?  Have had this problem with both a Linksys and a 
Netgear cardbus card, neither of which are supported as of yet.  Still, they 
shouldn't crash the computer when plugged in.

V.

[Cooker] urpmi bug?

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

Hi,

I'm updating one of the machines at the office what was running an early 
post-9.1 cooker, before the lib-ilization of KDE.  When I tried to update of 
course it complained about all the dependencies.. so I'm updating with the 
command line:

urpmi --auto-select --allow-nodeps --allow-force

The program will download and install the first batch of packages, then report 
that the rest of them aren't downloaded and the program reports:

Installation failed, some files are missing:

And it lists the rest of the packages it hasn't installed yet.  Re-running the 
command gets the next batch of files.

V.

[Cooker] madwifi driver?

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

Does anyone have the madwifi driver and related code working in cooker?

V.

Re: [Cooker] 9.2 rc2 and bittorrent

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Monday 08 September 2003 06:21 am, Warly wrote:
> In order to have a more solid base, would some of you with good
> bandwith could get the ISO in advance and let their client up do have
> everything spreading faster ?

I'm in. Got the new cable connection hooked up last friday at the office. 
Don't have tons of bandwidth (currently throttled to about 70kbytes / sec), 
but not using any of it at night, so can all be in the bittorrent pool.

V.

Re: OT: Communism and authoritarianism (was Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] rxvt-2.7.10-3mdk)

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Friday 05 September 2003 07:13 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On 5 Sep 2003, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
> > idiot.  For that matter anybody that endorces socialism is an idiot.
>
> Yes ofcourse, and everybody that endorces liberalism is stupid.
>
> Please, if you want to proclaim your political standpoint somewhere, do
> it somewhere else. The above is about the most shortsighted post I ever
> saw on cooker.
>
> d.
Can we PLEASE kill this thread, or take it private?

Thanks,

V.

Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] kernel-2.4.22.5mdk-1-1mdk

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Friday 05 September 2003 04:59 am, Buchan Milne wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Juan Quintela wrote:
> > -=-=-=-
> > Name: kernel-2.4.22.5mdk   Relocations: (not
> > relocateable) Version : 1 Vendor:
> > MandrakeSoft Release : 1mdk  Build Date: Fri
> > Sep  5
>
> 15:10:17 2003
>
> > Install Date: (not installed)   Build Host:
>
> no.mandrakesoft.com
>
> > Group   : System/Kernel and hardwareSource RPM: (none)
> > Size: 38819571 License: GPL
> > Signature   : (none)
> > Packager: Mandrake Linux Team 
> > URL : http://www.kernel.org/
> > Summary : The Linux kernel (the core of the Linux operating system).
> >
> > -=-=-=-
> > Juan Quintela <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2.4.22-5mdk
> >
> > - make xconfig works again (lufs is fixed).
> > - fix another mising  for firmware_class (gb).
> > - reenable i686-up-4GB and p3-smp-64GB, modversions should work now.
> > - mydsdt removed (now it is included in the initrd).
>
> Juan, are we going to get 2.4.23pre2 ? Or at least Jeff Garzik's patches
> implementing MII support for a lot of PCMCIA NICs? With ifplugd in the
> distro, and if aiming for good laptop support, this would be really nice
> (speaking as someone who has a PCMCIA card currently unsupported by
> ifplugd ...)
>
> Regards,
> Buchan
>
I would also like to see this if Juan has time to implement it.

V.
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Re: [Cooker] Re: Re: [CHRPM] rxvt-2.7.10-3mdk

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Thursday 04 September 2003 07:52 pm, David Walser wrote:
> David Baudens wrote:
> > xterm is installed if KDE or GNOME are not installed.
>
> So?  xterm != rxvt.  Anyway, xterm sucks.
>
> Like someone else said, why don't we remove Koffice and Mozilla's menu
> entries?  Why, OO.o and Konq are already in the menu!  No, that makes no
> sense.  Policy is all graphical apps installed go in the menu.  You
> violated that policy.
As much as I have NEVER used rxvt - I have to agree with them.  If it's a 
graphical app, should be on the menu.  If someone installs an app, they then 
shouldn't have to dig for it in order to run it, or go to menudrake to add 
it.

V.

[Cooker] typo in kdenetwork-knode description

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

Summary:  KDE News Reader
Description: KDE New Reader 

the 's' is missing.  I know, dumb, but i noticed it tonight while updating

V.

[Cooker] wine 20030813 ?

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

Will wine release 20030813 be making it to Mandrake 9.2?

V.

[Cooker] a cooker-only member-only mirror?

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

Hi,

There's been a lot of traffic on the list lately about mirror problems.  

My partner and I are FINALLY (after some 4 1/2 months of waiting) having 
commercial cable installed this week or next week.  Included in this bundle 
is 6 fixed IP addresses.  We pay a fixed amount per month for up to a fixed 
amount of bandwidth.  

What I'm considering doing, if there is interest, is bumping our bandwidth up 
by one price notch and hanging a private mirror for cooker on one of the 
fixed IP's.  There would be no charge using the mirror, but because we can't 
afford a big pipe and would want to keep the speed reasonable, etc, would 
limit the number of users.

Is this something that anyone is interested in?

V.

Re: [Cooker] wiki update (9.2 schedule / CREDITS)

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Saturday 30 August 2003 03:33 am, Abel Cheung wrote:
> On 2003-08-30(Sat) 08:32:14 +0200, Warly wrote:
> > >> http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/MandrakeLinux92Credits
> > >
> > > Is it reasonable to have your name there ? It make think other mdk
> > > people didn't contribute...
> >
> > Well I added it to incitate other to do so, just to have any
> > contributor at the same level.
> >
> > It may not be sensible, anyway, and I will remove my name if no other
> > employee add her name, or if you or other think it is not wize enough.
>
> Not really completely wrong to do so; just that it's kind of funny.
> It's just like saying "Thanks for Mandrake employee to help contributing
> to Mandrake Linux!"... why maintainers would want to thank themselves :-)
>
> Abel
>
> > --
> > Warly
I disagree.  The Mandrake employees deserve to be credited as much as the 
volunteers do.  If we're a community building a distro, then why would it be 
wrong to give credit to members of the community who happen to work for 
Mandrake?  Do they not contribute ?  I'd like to see more of the Mandrake 
employees have their contributions listed.

Maybe a good compromise would be to list them separate?  With an introduction  
over the community contributors that don't work for Mandrake?

V.

Re: [Cooker] wiki update (9.2 schedule / CREDITS)

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Saturday 30 August 2003 06:54 am, Warly wrote:
> Abel Cheung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > On 2003-08-30(Sat) 08:32:14 +0200, Warly wrote:
> >> >> http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/MandrakeLinux92Credits
> >> >
> >> > Is it reasonable to have your name there ? It make think other mdk
> >> > people didn't contribute...
> >>
> >> Well I added it to incitate other to do so, just to have any
> >> contributor at the same level.
> >>
> >> It may not be sensible, anyway, and I will remove my name if no other
> >> employee add her name, or if you or other think it is not wize enough.
> >
> > Not really completely wrong to do so; just that it's kind of funny.
> > It's just like saying "Thanks for Mandrake employee to help contributing
> > to Mandrake Linux!"... why maintainers would want to thank themselves :-)
>
> In my mind it was more a "Who has done what in this distribution" than
> a thanks.

Exactly - although saying thank you to someone is not necessarily a bad thing 
;-)

V.

Re: [Cooker] Adding a USB camera

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Friday 29 August 2003 05:48 pm, you wrote:
> From: "Vincent Meyer, MD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > On Saturday 23 August 2003 06:56 am, Thomas Backlund wrote:
> > > From: "Vincent Meyer, MD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > I have an Argus DC-3500 which is a 2.1 megapixel camera.  The camera
>
> is
>
> > > USB
> > >
> > > > and looks like a disk storage device when mounted.  In order to make
>
> this
>
> > > > work the list of USB devices has to have the info added and then be
> > > > recompiled.  Unfortunately I don't have enough disk space left on my
> > >
> > > laptop
> > >
> > > > to load all the required sources in order to make the change, compile
>
> it
>
> > > and
> > >
> > > > test it.
> > > >
> > > > Can anyone with the kernel source tree loaded add the info and
> > > > compile
>
> it
>
> > > for
> > >
> > > > testing?  I'll send info - or if necessary ship the camera on loan -
>
> to
>
> > > > whoever can do this.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance,
> > > >
> > > > Vinny
> > >
> > > You can send the info to me and I'll add it to my next kernel,
> > > that will be based on Juans 0.7mdk
> > >
> > > Thomas
> >
> > Thomas,
> >
> > Is it in your kernel-tmb-2.4.22.1.tmb.1mdk-1-1mdk ??
> >
> > V.
>
> Nope.
> I haven't got any info to add have you sent it to me or
> to the ml?
>
>
> Please (re)send ASAP, as my next build kernel-tmb-2.4.22.2.tmb.2mdk
> will probably be done tomorrow...
> (kernel-tmb-2.4.22.2.tmb.1mdk is already on klama awaiting
> upload, but there is some permissions that got to be fixed first :(  ... )
>
> Thomas
Damn damn damn.. yes, I sent it like a week ago.  Finally dawned on me when I 
didn't hear back that maybe something ate it and you didn't get it.

The camera reports itself as a "DC2MEGAPIXEL" - which USB viewer shows 
as 
"DC2MEGA"  Manufacturer field appears blank. 

Device class 00
Device subclass 00
Device protocol 00
Vendor ID 084d
Product ID 0011
Revision number 1.10

The camera is supposed to emulate a mass storage device.

Any other info you need, or if you need the camera for testing, let me know.

Thanks!

Vinny

Re: [Cooker] Adding a USB camera

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Saturday 23 August 2003 06:56 am, Thomas Backlund wrote:
> From: "Vincent Meyer, MD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have an Argus DC-3500 which is a 2.1 megapixel camera.  The camera is
>
> USB
>
> > and looks like a disk storage device when mounted.  In order to make this
> > work the list of USB devices has to have the info added and then be
> > recompiled.  Unfortunately I don't have enough disk space left on my
>
> laptop
>
> > to load all the required sources in order to make the change, compile it
>
> and
>
> > test it.
> >
> > Can anyone with the kernel source tree loaded add the info and compile it
>
> for
>
> > testing?  I'll send info - or if necessary ship the camera on loan - to
> > whoever can do this.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Vinny
>
> You can send the info to me and I'll add it to my next kernel,
> that will be based on Juans 0.7mdk
>
> Thomas
Thomas,

Is it in your kernel-tmb-2.4.22.1.tmb.1mdk-1-1mdk ??

V.

Re: [Cooker] How can we stop the virus flooding

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Monday 25 August 2003 05:50 pm, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
> Ainsi parlait Luca Berra :
> > what should be done for the distro (a bit late for 9.2, but mandrakesoft
> > should think about next release) is adding a decent program (i'd call it
> > mailerdrake) to mcc that is used to configure postfix, amavisd,
> > spamassassin, cyrus (or courier, or dovecot).
>
> Is this really a good idea to add wizards, gui and other newbies-oriented
> assistant for software as mail servers, DNS, and other real stuff that have
> an impact on other computer users ?
>
> I don't mind if Joe User setup a web server through such a click-o-magic
> without ever reading a manual, howto or anything related to network
> computing, cause if he's wrong he will only trash his computer. But i don't
> want to get spammed just because the same Joe User decided he could play
> with a new toy he found in mcc and setup an open-relay SMTP...

Shouldn't be THAT big a deal to at least default so that it isn't an open 
relay.  Most newbees won't change EVERYTHING all at once - they'll experiment 
by changing a few things to get set up.  So make the default that it DOESN'T 
start unless enabled.. and if it IS enabled, it isn't an open relay.

In the mean time, a properly written wizard might help a newbee learn what the 
settings mean and help him get features up and running that aren't available 
in windoze.

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Re: [Cooker] [REQUEST] OpenOffice.org 1.1 RCx inclusion

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Monday 25 August 2003 02:54 pm, Paul Dorman wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 06:25, Jan Ciger wrote:
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > Simon Oosthoek wrote:
> > |>OO 1.1 provide several interesting features and bugfixes, better office
> > |>format compatibility and seems very stable. It will be disappointed if
> > |>it is not shipped with 9.2 release.
> > |
> > | You have my vote! :-)
>
> I also think that OO.o 1.1 is a vital component of this release. It's a
> slick package, which reviewers and users alike will appreciate. I have been
> using it with the latest Cooker and it's been fine. I can't speak of it's
> readiness in terms of internationalization though...
>
> Paul.
Works here - we NEED this in this release if at all possible.

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Re: [Cooker] rc.sysinit: fs check on ext3 is evil

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Saturday 23 August 2003 03:13 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Today is about the fourth time I had to explain that pressing "Y" for a
> filesystem check on an uncleanly shutdown system is a bit idea, at least
> on ext3. I think I had it myself once or twice as well. If you do this
> fsck is very likely to remove a bit to many of your files. It actually
> seems much worse than normally on ext2 (but it is a long time ago that I
> used ext2, so perhaps its normal), and it is definately much worse than
> using the journal to restore the fs.
>
> In any case, rc.sysinit message sounds like if pressing Yes within 5
> seconds is a good idea, while on a journalling system, it is probably not
> the best idea. So either:
> - remove the message al together for journalling fs (an expert can still
> do it manually, if for some reason it is wanted)
> - make the check sound like a bad idea.
>
> d.
.. or if it's an ext3 partition have it ask about restoring from the journal 
instead of running the ext2 file system check?  Would this be hard to do?

V.

[Cooker] Adding a USB camera

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

Hello,

I have an Argus DC-3500 which is a 2.1 megapixel camera.  The camera is USB 
and looks like a disk storage device when mounted.  In order to make this 
work the list of USB devices has to have the info added and then be 
recompiled.  Unfortunately I don't have enough disk space left on my laptop 
to load all the required sources in order to make the change, compile it and 
test it.

Can anyone with the kernel source tree loaded add the info and compile it for 
testing?  I'll send info - or if necessary ship the camera on loan - to 
whoever can do this.

Thanks in advance,

Vinny

Re: [Cooker] [HELP WANTED] "model name" of your /proc/cpuinfo

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Tuesday 19 August 2003 10:01 am, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Could you please copy the "model name" line of the /proc/cpuinfo
> of your laptop computer(s)?
>
> This is to try and be more efficient about determining from drakx
> if you're running a laptop - noticing it might be a good idea to
> say that we're running a laptop if the model name contains
> "Mobile".

Mobile Pentium II

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Re: [Cooker] Re: Bootsplash submissions

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Tuesday 19 August 2003 06:07 am, David Walser wrote:
> Brant Fitzsimmons wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Are you taking submissions for bootsplash designs?  If so, I'd like to
> > add mine.  If not, I'm sorry for wasting everyone's time.
> >
> > http://bfcomputerconsulting.com/images/mandrake_splash.jpg
> >
> > I think it would look OK on a corporate desktop, but that's just my
> > opinion.
> >
> > Any comments?  Be gentle. ;-)
>
> Nicest one I've seen.

LOL - why are you being so hard on him?

Seriously - nice bootsplash.  Wouldn't mind it on my machine.

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Re: [Cooker] Grub segfault...

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Saturday 16 August 2003 03:58 pm, Jay DeKing wrote:
> On Friday 15 August 2003 4:17 am, Gregoire Favre honored me with this
>
> communique:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have installed the new GRUB yesterday, and I didn't notice a problem,
> > know at boot, all I can see is: "GRUB".
>
> I had the same problem. Neither of my boot floppies worked either (yes,
> they have the correct kernel for my current setup, and oddly enough they
> have worked in the past).
>
> I ended up downloading the MDK9.2 Beta 2 iso images with my WinXP box and
> burning them to CD so I could run "rescue". I then went to /boot/grub and
> ran install.sh. Problem solved - I hope. The box booted up properly at that
> point.
>
> Jay
>
> > And from the drakboot:
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] RPM]# drakboot
> > FATAL: Module floppy not found.
> > FATAL: Module floppy not found.
> > FATAL: Module floppy not found.
> > FATAL: Module floppy not found.
> > Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time.
> > /boot/grub/install.sh: line 4:  3616 Segmentation fault  (core
> > dumped) grub --device-map=/boot/grub/device.map --batch  < > install (hd0,0)/boot/grub/stage1 d (hd0) (hd0,0)/boot/grub/stage2 p
> > (hd0,0)/boot/grub/menu.lst
> > quit
> > EOF
> >
> >
> > Grégoire
> > __
> > http://www-ima.unil.ch/greg ICQ:16624071 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I had this problem as well - and was unable to get the install script to run.  
When I took a look at menu.lst (which had been getting rather long, as every 
time i've installed a new kernel new entries get made, etc.  I edited the 
file to take out a few of the redundant ones so that the list was shorter, 
and the install script worked.

Is the current version of grub allowing less entries?  I did not install any 
new kernels when i updated grub last week, so the file should have been the 
same as it was when the last version of grub installed.

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Re: [Cooker] kmix is kmissing

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

Oh, you look and you look and you look, and it's right in front of you!  You 
know, I looked 3 times for a package called kdemultimedia-kmix and didn't see 
it.  Of course its right there - my bad.

On Monday 11 August 2003 10:09 am, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
> Ainsi parlait Vincent Meyer, MD :
> > rpm -q --whatprovides kmix
> > no package provides kmix
>
Right idea, wrong too.  Again my bad.
> package are not supposed to provide file names, first. Moreover, if it's
> not installed, it's no use to query your rpm database. Use urpmf to look
> for files in urpmi database:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] guillomovitch]$ urpmf kmix
> [..]
> kdemultimedia-kmix
>
> BTW, all those files belonging to kdemultimedia should belong to
> kdemultimedia-kmix:
> kdemultimedia:/usr/lib/kde3/kcm_kmix.la
> kdemultimedia:/usr/lib/kde3/kcm_kmix.so
> kdemultimedia:/usr/lib/kde3/kmix_panelapplet.la
> kdemultimedia:/usr/lib/kde3/kmix_panelapplet.so
> kdemultimedia:/usr/lib/menu/kdemultimedia-kmix
> kdemultimedia:/usr/share/applnk/.hidden/kmixcfg.desktop
> kdemultimedia:/usr/share/apps/kicker/applets/kmixapplet.desktop
> kdemultimedia:/usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/128x128/apps/kmix.png
> kdemultimedia:/usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/16x16/apps/kmix.png
> kdemultimedia:/usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/32x32/apps/kmix.png
> kdemultimedia:/usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/48x48/apps/kmix.png
> kdemultimedia:/usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/64x64/apps/kmix.png
> kdemultimedia:/usr/share/services/kmixctrl_restore.desktop

Thanks, everybody, for the replies.  Next time I'll be sure i've had at least 
my normal morning coffee before I try looking for software. 

V.

Re: [Cooker] Re: kde splitting: some problems

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Sunday 10 August 2003 09:45 pm, Texstar wrote:
> Its just crazy breaking all this source code into thousands of rpms.

My thinking is the granularity is just a little too fine.  I don't mind so 
much that the pieces are smaller - but i think they're TOO small.

I'm also a little annoyed that packages who have libraries that are not 
designed to be used by other applications have been "Libified" . It's one 
thing if other apps will use the libraries (ie, xine) to be split - but since 
the application package and the lib package always travel together, what's 
wrong with leaving them as one solid package?  
>
> On Sunday 10 August 2003 05:30 pm, w9ya wrote:
> > More to the point, as of two dayas ago, the deps were screwed up enough
> > that you could not do an upgrade without doing a no-deps on this (kde et
> > al) and MANY other packages including samba. I agree this is
> > unacceptable. Instead of arguing at length, at least get this much
> > working correctly please.

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[Cooker] Descriptions weird in KDE Theme manager

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

Hi,

This morning I decided I might try the Galaxy theme again,  and the 
descriptions don't seem to line up right.  When I select "Galaxy" from the 
menu, the description says MGBreizh Theme.  When I select MGBreizh the 
description says Mikael GEORGES, etc.

V.

[Cooker] kmix is kmissing

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

rpm -q --whatprovides kmix
no package provides kmix

where did it go?

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[Cooker] Wireless PCMCIA card recommendations

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

Hello, Fellow Cookers

Maybe the timing isn't too good for asking this in the midst of all that's 
going on, as everybody's pretty busy.. but can anybody recommend a 802.11 
triple mode (a/b/g) card that works, or even looks like it MAY work SOON 
Mandrake?  We're going wireless in the office, all the phones are 2.4 gHz, so 
802.11a at 5gHz makes sense there, but other work locations are 802.11 b/g.
Does anyone know about D-link's cards?

Thanks,

Vinny

Re: [Cooker] urpmi - segmentation fault (long mail)

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Friday 01 August 2003 07:04 am, John van Spaandonk wrote:
> On Friday 01 August 2003 10:43, Duncan wrote:
> > On Wed 30 Jul 2003 10:56, Olivier Thauvin posted as excerpted below:
> > > Le Mercredi 30 Juillet 2003 17:42, John van Spaandonk a écrit :
> > >
> > > My reply to John is somewhere in the mail, other guys can simply delete
> > > it. I want to know how many time he need to find it ;)
> >
> > While I agree with your suggestion to clip unneeded text, finding the
> > reply shouldn't be hard provided the quote levels are properly colored. 
> > It wasn't hard here finding your reply in pages and pages..  But then
> > again, I'm a bit used to that, from reading newsgroups where folks all to
> > often don't trim, so my eye easily scans for the color differences..
>
> Yes, it took me about 2 seconds to find the reply
> But I did not want to nag Olivier about it :-)
>
> BTW I cannot seem to reproduce this bug.
> Als I could not find a core dump...

I had this problem too.  Look in /var/cache/urpmi/partial.
>
> While experimenting with urpmi I tried
>
> urpmi --auto-select --bug --media cooker
>
> and I noticed that the --bug supresses my explicit media selection, so
> in my case packages from cooker, plf and contrib were installed...
>
> Is this intentional behavior of urpmi?
>
> Best
>
> John
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Re: [Cooker] Re: gaim 0.65 and 0.66?

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Sunday 27 July 2003 06:09 pm, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote:
> Adam Williamson wrote:
> >On Sun, 2003-07-27 at 15:48, David Walser wrote:
> >>Adam Williamson wrote:
> >>>when will we be getting a new gaim in cooker?
> >>
> >>Judging from the Gaim forum, 0.66 seems to have some stability issues. 
> >> It's probably best to wait for 0.67
> >
> >Unstable software in Cooker?! Surely not ;). Thanks for the info, David.
>
> On my box Texstar's 0.66 has been much more stable than 0.65.  0.65
> would hang on exit; every single time.  On occasion it would also crash
> on signon.  I would have to restart it a couple of times before it would
> work.
>
> 0.66 has been a blessing.

0.64 had a lot of problems with the MSN protocol.  There was a major change in 
the internal, separating the guts from the UI, and 0.65  was released.  
Immediately after releasing it, they discovered a bunch of loose ends, and 
released  0.66.   I've been pounding on it pretty extensively, and so far it 
seems to be pretty much OK. 

Works well here on cooker as of two days ago - I'm a little behind on the 
updates and WAY behind on the mail .

V.

Re: [Cooker] Serious rpmdrake weirdness

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

Same behavior seen here as of this mornings update.

V.

On Sunday 27 July 2003 03:28 am, Jay DeKing wrote:
> I just updated rpmdrake, gurpmi and urpmi.
>
> Versions:
> rpmdrake-2.1-29mdk
> gurpmi-4.4-10mdk
> urpmi-4.4-10mdk
>
> Now, when I select "All packages, by update availability" in rpmdrake, then
> select "Upgradable," the following happens:
>
> No matter which package I pick from the "Upgradable" list, it is not
> selected - but the "Addable" list opens. The package I tried to select
> appears in the right-hand window, but it isn't really selected; if I click
> the "Install" button, I get the message "you must select a package to
> install first."
>
> If I then click on the "selected" package's check box again, the package's
> check box is finally checked and I can install it.
>
> After installing the selected package(s), the package list reloads
> normally, but the first package selection from the reloaded list again
> opens the "Addable" list and I have to reselect that package to get the
> checkbox to work.
>
> urpmi seems to work fine on its own.
>
> Jay

[Cooker] gpsdrive needs libfly2

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

Hi,

Loading random updates this AM - libfly2 should be selected when gpsdrive is 
selected - it's a required library for gpsdrive according to it's package 
description.

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Re: [Cooker] curl problems with urpmi - follow-up question

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Tuesday 22 July 2003 09:03 am, Robert Fox wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 12:25, Robert Fox wrote:
> > On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 12:19, François Pons wrote:
> > > Charles A Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > > On 21 Jul 2003 15:07:54 +
> > > >
> > > > FACORAT Fabrice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > Staying on this question, is there a way to force rpmdrake to use
> > > > > > wget and not curl?  I know about the "--wget" switch for urpmi,
> > > > > > but how do I force it for rpmdrake?
> > > > >
> > > > > removing curl package ?
> > > >
> > > > I thought that because of difficulties if proxies were involved that
> > > > rpmdrake already used wget by default.
> > >
> > > I will add a developement release of curl if it works.
> > >
> > > Does people can check it works when curl was not working previously ?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > François.
> >
> > I can check it - as soon as the update is available.
> >
> > Thx,
> > R.Fox
>
> OK - Updated the Curl packages - but the problem continues to exist.
> When I start rpmdrake manually - and choose some packages, it fails to
> download the packages from the the other host.  Same when I try urpmi
> without the --wget switch.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] rfox]# rpmdrake
> examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.Installation
> CD (ftp1).cz]
> examining synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.Contrib CD
> (ftp3).cz]
> would install instead of upgrade package kernel-2.4.21.3mdk-1-1mdk.i586
> would install instead of upgrade package
> kernel2.4-marcelo-2.4.21-2mdk.i586
> would install instead of upgrade package
> kernel-smp-2.4.21.3mdk-1-1mdk.i586
> would install instead of upgrade package
> kernel-enterprise-2.4.21.3mdk-1-1mdk.i586
> would install instead of upgrade package
> kernel-secure-2.4.21.3mdk-1-1mdk.i586
> would install instead of upgrade package kernel22-smp-2.2.20-9mdk.i586
> would install instead of upgrade package
> kernel-linus2.2-2.2.20-4mdk.i586
> would install instead of upgrade package kernel22-2.2.20-9mdk.i586
> calling obsoleted method urpm::download_source_packages
> retrieving rpm files from medium "Installation CD (ftp1)"...
> ...retrieving failed:
> created transaction for installing on / (remove=0, install=0, upgrade=5)
> Error: unable to install package
> ftp://robert:[EMAIL PROTECTED]//mnt/hd/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS/harddrake-9
>.2-0.19mdk.i586.rpm Error: unable to install package
> ftp://robert:[EMAIL PROTECTED]//mnt/hd/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS/drakxtools-
>newt-9.2-0.19mdk.i586.rpm Error: unable to install package
> ftp://robert:[EMAIL PROTECTED]//mnt/hd/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS/drakconf-9.
>2-0.9mdk.i586.rpm Error: unable to install package
> ftp://robert:[EMAIL PROTECTED]//mnt/hd/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS/drakxtools-
>9.2-0.19mdk.i586.rpm Error: unable to install package
> ftp://robert:[EMAIL PROTECTED]//mnt/hd/cooker/Mandrake/RPMS/harddrake-u
>i-9.2-0.19mdk.i586.rpm
>
> Thx,
> R.Fox
exact same behavior here..

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[Cooker] urpmi segfaulting

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

Hi,

Has anyone else noticed URPMI segfaulting lately?  It looks like it segfaults 
when spanning groups of files dependent on each other.  This is with using 
the options --auto-select --wget.  (curl not working at all with urpmi on my 
machine at present)

Some files load as singles then segfault.  Others the segfault is after 
related files have downloaded, but before moving on to the next group of 
files.  An example, the following 5 files downloaded one after the other 
without problem:

drakxtools-9.2-0.19mdk.i586.rpm
drakxtools-http-9.2-0.19mdk.i586.rpm
drakxtools-newt-9.2-0.19mdk.i586.rpm
harddrake-9.2-0.19mdk.i586.rpm
harddrake-ui-9.2-0.19mdk.i586.rpm

Does not load the RPMS - they're sitting in /var/cache/urpmi/rpms
can be loaded manually with rpm.

V.

Re: [Cooker] Hello?

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Monday 21 July 2003 12:47 am, Jim C wrote:
> Anybody out there?
>
> Jim C.
yes?Don't you know it's 1:20 in the morning here?  :-D

V.

Re: [Cooker] split lists?

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Tuesday 08 July 2003 02:07 am, Michael Scherer wrote:
> > > > Mdk maintainer not answering on this mailing-list is another
> > > > problem, which won't be solved by splitting the ml, for sure.
> > >
> > > Well, I was under the impression that some used the excuse not
> > > having time to read/reply to 100rds of mails a day.
> >
> > Dumb excuse IF the poster CC's the maintainer with problems, should
> > be in the maintainer's mailbox separate from cooker, and not have
> > [Cooker] in the subject, so won't (hopefully) be filtered out.  An
> > acknowlegement that the problem was received - even if no fix if
> > forthcoming any time soon - would go a long way to keeping the flames
> > on low heat :-)
>
> Well, this is annoying to add one or two CC by hand.
> As all manual and repetitive task, if it can be automated, it should.
Yes, but HOPEFULLY isn't a common task.  Giving the package maintainer a 
"heads up " about a problem or asking if something is going to be updated 
maybe applies here.  Any cooker-related dialog as to debugging things, etc, 
i'd expect would / should bring the developer or packager back to the list - 
even if only to follow one thread about their package.
>
> That why mailling list were created, to not have to add everyone in CC.
> What if the mainteners is not here, as it sometimes happens ? Or, if the
> mainteners changes ?
Well, is ONE package maintainer "everyone" ?  
>
> And so, people need to be aware that mdk employees doesn't read the list
> ? And they need to be aware that they should CC ?
Good point.  Maybe some guidence from Mandrakesoft regarding who / where / IF 
to CC on specific packages?

Regards,

Vinny

Re: [Cooker] OpenOffice 1.1 beta 2

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

Oops - thought i'd sent this to Gwenole in private..  sorry.

On Tuesday 08 July 2003 01:11 am, Vincent Meyer, MD wrote:
> Hi Gwenole,
>
>   Any chance of seeing OpenOffice 1.1 beta 2 for cooker any time soon?
> I realize you're probably swamped with other things, but if it looks like
> 1.1 might be released close to Mandrake 9.2, it might be fun to pound on it
> and make sure it works. :-)
>
>   Thanks,
>
>   Vinny

[Cooker] OpenOffice 1.1 beta 2

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

Hi Gwenole,

Any chance of seeing OpenOffice 1.1 beta 2 for cooker any time soon?
I realize you're probably swamped with other things, but if it looks like 1.1 
might be released close to Mandrake 9.2, it might be fun to pound on it and 
make sure it works. :-) 

Thanks,

Vinny

Re: [Cooker] split lists?

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Monday 07 July 2003 02:49 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On 7 Jul 2003, Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:
> > ??? I think this is relevent for 0.1% of ppl out there.
>
> That must be 10% of all linux users!
> It is always good practice to make even small minorities happy, if it
> does not make a majority unhappy, IMO.
>
> > Debating on the patch is a *good* thing IMHO. After all, we want
> > to build a community distro, not only ours.
>
> I didn't say it was bad, cooker is there for that, but perhaps
> productivity could be improved.
>
> > Mdk maintainer not answering on this mailing-list is another
> > problem, which won't be solved by splitting the ml, for sure.
>
> Well, I was under the impression that some used the excuse not having time
> to read/reply to 100rds of mails a day.
Dumb excuse IF the poster CC's the maintainer with problems, should be in the 
maintainer's mailbox separate from cooker, and not have [Cooker] in the 
subject, so won't (hopefully) be filtered out.  An acknowlegement that the 
problem was received - even if no fix if forthcoming any time soon - would go 
a long way to keeping the flames on low heat :-)
>
> > Well hoping is not enough. I hope so too, but I think this has
> > absolutely zero chance to happen.
>
> well, we disagree:)
>
> > > I would even go so far as to propose the list being not freely
> > > accessible.
> >
> > Humbly against that (non free access is frightening by itself)
>
> well, you're allready against split-lists, so no use in discussing
> implementation me thinks.
>
>
> d.
Vinny

Re: [Cooker] Re: [Contrib-Rpm] ant-phone-0.1.4-1mdk

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Monday 07 July 2003 10:03 am, Austin wrote:
> On 2003.07.07 09:02, Steffen Barszus wrote:
> > Am Montag, 7. Juli 2003 16:06 schrieb FACORAT Fabrice:
> > > In my menu I found ant-phone in Multimedia -> sound & Music
> > > I should be in Network -> Other
> >
> > No I think it should be in Application/Communication as this is not
> > network related. The group of it at least is the right one. Cool that it
> > is in contrib now :)
>
> All of the telephony apps (linphone, gnome-meeting, etc.) were in
> multimedia/ sound, which I didn't like, but I wanted to be consistent.
>
> If nobody cares, I will move them all to applications/communications.
>
> Austin
That's where I'd go to look for 'em - so makes sense to me

V.

Re: [Cooker] split lists?

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Monday 07 July 2003 08:40 am, Buchan Milne wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> This has been brought up before, but I wonder if it would be useful to
> have focused cooker lists.
>
> There are some topics I haven't brought up on cooker, that I would like
> to discuss with other cookers, but since it is quite specialised
> (regarding default ACLs in openldap, kerberos, samba in conjunction) I
> don't really feel comfortable spamming the cookers who want to discuss
> latest KDE or similar topics.
>
> So, would it be worthwhile to have lists dedicated to:
> - -server software (apache/samba/ldap/postfix etc)
> - -KDE
> - -GNOME
> - -Other desktop software
> - -kernel
> - -admin tools (incl. drakxtools/drakx etc)
>
> Although a lot of people may end up subscribing to all the lists, it
> *would* mean that we could have more focused discussions, and some
> people who aren't active on cooker (due to high traffic) may be able to
> participate in a more focused list.
>
> Of course, normal cooker list would stay as is mostly, for general stuff
> that affects everyone or more than one or two focused areas.
>
> WDYT?
>
> Warly, you have mentioned this before, is it worthwhile doing?
>
> Regards,
> Buchan
Buchan,

I'm for leaving it where it is, and for having you bring these things up on 
the general list.  Maybe everyone isn't interested, but SOME will be, and 
might not know they are until / unless they see a post about something and 
think "Hey, that's cool, let me try it" or "me too" or whatever.

Heck, during the last minute crunch we were getting hundreds of e-mails per 
day,  and the delete key got a workout.   I don't mind that on the cooker 
list. 

Now if they were posts for generic vxxagra, THEN maybe.. but not for legit 
cooking.

Regards,
Vinny
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Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] kernel-2.4.21.3mdk-1-1mdk

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Friday 04 July 2003 05:43 pm, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Fri, 2003-07-04 at 22:28, Charles Shirley wrote:
> > On Friday 04 July 2003 17:01, Juan Quintela wrote:
> > > - It should boot :p
> >
> > My, that inspires confidence!  ;^D
>
> So which brave soul is going to test it first? :)
Are YOU gonna try it???
I'M not gonna try it... 
Lets get Mikey - he'll test anything!

(paraphrased from an old Life Breakfast Cerial commercial)

V.

[Cooker] screem tips file still missing?

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

Hi,

Latest scream seems to be missing the tips file.  Thought this was fixed

V.

[Cooker] wine 20030618-3 still broken

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] meyerv]$ wine wed.exe
/usr/bin/wine.bin: trying to run 'F:\wed.exe', cannot open builtin library for 
'winevdm.exe': 
/home/peroyvind/rpm/tmp/wine-20030618-buildroot/usr/lib/wine/winevdm.exe.so: 
cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

Still there with tonight's update to -3

V.

[Cooker] wine problems

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

Interesting error message with the latest wine update:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] meyerv]$ wine wed.exe
/usr/bin/wine.bin: trying to run 'F:\wed.exe', cannot open builtin library for 
'winevdm.exe': /home/peroyvind/rpm/tmp/wine-root/usr/lib/wine/winevdm.exe.so: 
cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

V,

[Cooker] Unmounting network shares - weird desktop behavior

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

When mounting a windows share with the current cooker, a desktop shortcut is 
created - that seems to work quite well.  Right clicking on any of these 
shares and selecting UNMOUNT however, causes an error message to the effect 
that only root can unmount a share.  The desktop then starts refreshing 
multiple times per second for about a minute.

Has anyone else seen this? Just noticed it recently, as now have the office 
server back up again.

V.

Re: [Cooker] wish for mdk 9.2: full duplex sound drivers

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

Oops.. saw the reply later in the thread.. never mind. 
V.

On Friday 27 June 2003 08:53 pm, Vincent Meyer, MD wrote:
> On Friday 27 June 2003 11:13 am, Dave Cotton wrote:
> > On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 16:44, Keld Jørn Simonsen wrote:
> > > I do not care whether the sound drivers are ALS or not, as long as they
> > > are full duplex and can work with eg gnomemeeting.
> >
> > Seconded
>
> Re-seconded. (Thirded?  )
>
> > > I see IP telepones/teleconferencing as a major application for most
> > > users, this is probably the new telephone, and it would be very
> > > convenient if MDK had good support for IP telephones.
> >
> > And again.
> >
> > I've got VPNs working, now I need a convincing IP phone.
>
> V.

Re: [Cooker] wish for mdk 9.2: full duplex sound drivers

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Friday 27 June 2003 11:13 am, Dave Cotton wrote:
> On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 16:44, Keld Jørn Simonsen wrote:
> > I do not care whether the sound drivers are ALS or not, as long as they
> > are full duplex and can work with eg gnomemeeting.
>
> Seconded
Re-seconded. (Thirded?  )
>
> > I see IP telepones/teleconferencing as a major application for most
> > users, this is probably the new telephone, and it would be very
> > convenient if MDK had good support for IP telephones.
>
> And again.
>
> I've got VPNs working, now I need a convincing IP phone.
V.

Re: [Cooker] Mandrake Control Center - no fonts visible on clean install

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

Yes, but is there a work around?  

On Monday 23 June 2003 11:14 am, John Keller wrote:
> (trying again because my first reply seems to have not made it to the list)
>
> Vincent Meyer, MD wrote:
> > On a clean install, Mandrake Control Center, and Mandrake Firsttime do
> > not display any text.  Is this a know issue?
>
> This sounds like what I ran into a couple of weeks ago:
> http://archives.mandrakelinux.com/cooker/2003-06/msg00643.php
>
> I haven't had time to try a fresh cooker install since then, but I can
> confirm that I had no text within Mandrake Firsttime (the "wizard" I talked
> about in my original message, which I suppose I could've phrased better).
>
> - John

[Cooker] Mandrake Control Center - no fonts visible on clean install

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

Hi,

On a clean install, Mandrake Control Center, and Mandrake Firsttime do not 
display any text.  Is this a know issue?

V.

[Cooker] drakedm bug

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

When running drakedm, and after selecting to restart dm, it bombs with:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] meyerv]# drakedm
Undefined subroutine &services::restart called at /usr/sbin/drakedm line 67.

V.

[Cooker] New installation problems with today's cooker

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

Hi - Found a number of problems with a fresh install of today's cooker

Mandrake's login screen - no passwords work
Mandrake's default desktop theme - no text displays on any buttons or dialogs.  
Mandrake Firsttime all screens and buttons are blank

Log out, log in as root, stop service dm, log in as a user then startx, 
KDE comes up ok.  Trying to bring up anything in superuser mode fails.
An example, invoking rpmdrake brings:

** (rpmdrake:2196) WARNING ** No builtin or dynamically loaded modules were 
found.  Pango will not work correctly,  This probably means there was an 
error in the creation of:
  '/etc/pango/pango.modules'
you may be able to re-create this file by running pango-querymodules.

running pango-quertmodules made no difference.

V.

Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] urpmi-4.3-15mdk

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Saturday 14 June 2003 09:07 am, David Sansome wrote:
> On Saturday 14 Jun 2003 12:21 pm, Stefan van der Eijk wrote:
> > >>>You suggesting to calculate it. These calculations can become very
> > >>>complex. I would suggest to make a log. So if you urpmi foo, you also
> > >>>have to install bar and blah. This results in a line in
> > >>>/var/cache/urpmi/installlog: foo bar blah
> > >>
> > >>Q: What would the impact be if you install multiple packages with one
> > >>urpmi command? "urpmi bla foo kitchensink" ?
> > >>
> > >>It would mean parsing the log to figure out what happened. IMHO what
> > >>happened at one time is not relevant, the current state of the system
> > >>is. If such an option is to be done then it should take place without
> > >>logfiles or such.
> > >
> > >IMHO, urpm{i,e} are not suitable for this. Note that apt-get has the
> > > same problem (not removing dependencies), and AFAIK Debian has a tool
> > > which does do this, dselect.
> > >
> > >If this funtionality is in rpmdrake instead, then any packages that were
> > >manually selected by the user would be listed with their deps, and when
> > >they are removed, so would their deps ...
> >
> > IMHO, if it can be done in rpmdrake it should also be done in urpmi...
> >
> > Perhaps what's missing is the destinction between "end point" and
> > "intermediate" packages (new terms). An "end point" package would
> > provide functionality which is usefull to a user and users would be
> > installing such packages. Example of an "end point" package would be
> > evolution, postfix, mozilla. These "end points" depend on "intermidiate"
> > packages (often: lib*). So, if an "end point" were to be removed, the
> > system could check the dependency database and tell you which
> > "intermidiate" packages can be removed (without removing any other "end
> > points").
> >
> > >>>Now if urpme tries to uninstall foo it will read that line and will
> > >>> try to uninstall those rpms, on request and only if no other apps
> > >>> have grown dependent on them as well.
> > >>
> > >>urpme foo, would that deinstall bla and kitchensink as well? Or would
> > >>multple log entries need to be made for every package that is installed
> > >>from urpmi (different entry for bla, foo and kitchensink). What if they
> > >>share dependencies? Where do you put what? What if you then remove
> > >>"bla", a shared dep remains, and then remove "foo". That shared dep
> > >>would need to go then too... Difficult.
> > >>
> > >>>This sounds like a much simpler and therefor safer solution. Most of
> > >>>the time I know after 10 minutes of using an app whether I like it or
> > >>>not ;)
> > >>
> > >>Sorry, it doesn't sound right to me...
> > >
> > >Well, if you assume a user is installing one main package at a time,
> > > then it may be feasible ... otherwise not.
> >
> > Are such assumptions workable? Multiple packages can be installed with
> > rpmdrake at one time.
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Stefan
>
> Another flaw with the log file idea is that some users install packages
> with the rpm tool.  Unless you patched the Mandrake version of rpm, these
> wouldn't get appended to the log file.
>
> In my opinion, urpme, when asked to remove a package, should look through
> each of it's dependencies, check they're not depended (is that a word?) on
> by anything else, and remove only those beginning with lib*.  This would
> ensure that no other end point packages are removed (for example, you
> wouldn't want kdelibs to be removed when uninstalling kdepim)

Of course, it baits the argument AGAINST the over-libification of packages.  
If an application has runtime libraries associated with it that were written 
ONLY for that package, and that aren't ever going to be NEEDED by anything 
else, needing a tool to remove libraries that maybe never should have been 
lib-ified seems kind of awkward, no?

Still, if the policy is that all library package names must start with lib, 
that makes the process somewhat easier - but then what about packages like 
kdelibs?  If everything that uses it has been removed, it should go too.

I agree, not a simple problem.
>
> David Sansome

Vinny

Re: [Cooker] XWine and wine - status in cooker?

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

Many thanks!  

V.

On Wednesday 11 June 2003 08:49 am, Pierre Jarillon wrote:
> Le Mercredi 11 Juin 2003 09:27, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
> > On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Vincent Meyer, MD wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > >   Is anyone having success with the current XWine and wine in cooker?
>
> I have fowarded all your mails to Philippe BOUSQUET the author of Xwine.
> He knows the bug due to a reorganization of the code.
> He is doing the corrections and a new package will be available next week.
>
> Be patient !

Re: [Cooker] XWine and wine - status in cooker?

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

Found what appears to be the problem.  If you use XWine to alter the config 
file - or just look at it, but save it at the end, it alters the file.  The 
most recent re-install i played with, it copied the last line of the file to 
the top, above the first line.  Since the file no longer starts with
WINE REGISTRY Version 2
wine gets indigestion, complains is not a valid file, and exits.

Removing the bogus line fixes the file, then wine runs ok

V.

On Tuesday 10 June 2003 11:28 pm, Per Øyvind Karlsen wrote:
> On Tuesday 10 June 2003 16:58, Vincent Meyer, MD wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Is anyone having success with the current XWine and wine in cooker?
> >
> > XWine seems to break wine when used to edit the config files - even if
> > no changes are made.  The next time XWine is invoked it bombs, with a
> > console message complaining that wine has to be installed.
> >
> > wine seems to not be able to find programs - even when they're in the
> > same directory.  I remember there being a patch for a similar problem,
> > which i thought was in the current RPM.
> >
> > V.
>
> I did fix the problem I think you're thinking of in  20030408-2mdk, also I
> applied rcc's patch in 20030408-3mdk, things seems to work just fine here,
> but if you have problems, please give me detailed bugreports:)
> also, I have'nt done any work on wine lately due to problems with
> docbook-utils (required to build wine) :\
>
> rpm [EMAIL PROTECTED] hawkeye]$ rpm -q --changelog wine|more
> * tir apr 29 2003 Per Øyvind Karlsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 20030408-3mdk
>
> - fix summary for utilities package
> - be sure to own /usr/lib/wine (thx to olivier)
> - rcc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> o make winstyle paths work (ie C:\\xxx xxx\\yyy)
> o changed argument handling
> o changed interpreter to bash because we're using bash extensions
>
> * ons apr 16 2003 Per Øyvind Karlsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 20030408-2mdk
>
> - changed summary too
> - make wine able to handle spaces in filenames again

[Cooker] XWine and wine - status in cooker?

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

Hello,

Is anyone having success with the current XWine and wine in cooker?  

XWine seems to break wine when used to edit the config files - even if no 
changes are made.  The next time XWine is invoked it bombs, with a console 
message complaining that wine has to be installed.

wine seems to not be able to find programs - even when they're in the same 
directory.  I remember there being a patch for a similar problem, which i 
thought was in the current RPM.

V.

[Cooker] kdepim dependency problem?

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

Hi,

Tried to load kdepim today - rpmdrake says needs libpisock8-devel, 
readline-devel.  Is it normal for a non-devel package to require two devel 
packages?

V.

Re: [Cooker] Services Dependences

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Wednesday 04 June 2003 02:47 pm, Pierre Jarillon wrote:
> Le Mercredi 4 Juin 2003 19:45, Buchan Milne a écrit :
> > replace init with a better system, such as serel, which knows which
> > services are required by other services. As a bonus, it can boot the
> > machine faster, since it can now (with a knowledge of dependencies)
> > start services in parallel.
>
> Fine ! I like it : http://www.fastboot.org/
>
> When in cooker ?
This looks interesting.  Has anyone on cooker played with it?  

V.

Re: [Cooker] gaim 0.64 is out.

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Sunday 01 June 2003 01:29 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > the subject says it all
> >
> > v.
>
> Vincent, I think in future could we avoid announcements like this on
> cooker? If we were to have an announcement for every new release on this
> list, it could get quite crowded.

True, except the current version in cooker is more than one release old.  If 
indeed the maintainer were getting clobbered by announces, etc, I'm pretty 
sure it would have been updated by now.  Previous posts like this to jog the 
elbow of the maintainer have yielded quick results, hence my post.  

> Note that many maintainers either
> -subscribe to the announce mailing lists for the software they maintain
> -subscribe to freshmeat.net announcements for their software
>
> If they don't, they at least get spammed by rpmwatcho every 2nd week with
> their packages that are out-of-date (compared to freshmeat.net or Debian
> or Redhat).

Again, if this were the case, why is cooker at gaim-0.62 ?  My post wasn't to 
nag, or to annoy the list.

For those who might be interested, the package at gaim.sourceforge.net works 
for cooker, but there's a bug in the MSN plugin which will cause gaim to 
segfault if the password is incorrect.
>
> If some piece of software you use often is not updated within 2 weeks of a
> new release (or if it's a critical update and we're near release), mail
> the maintainer first to enquire the status.
>
> For those interested, samba3-3.0alpha24 doesn't build at present on
> cooker, it seems the quota interface has changed again (there is already
> an inline edit in the samba3 package for 9.1 where it does build, same
> inline edit doesn't work on cooker, but funnily enough samba-2.2.x built
> fine ...)
>
> Oh, and I will get around to pam_mount sometime ...
>
> Buchan

V.

[Cooker] gaim 0.64 is out.

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

the subject says it all

v.

Re: [Cooker] Re: [CHRPM] rpmdrake-2.1-21mdk

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Friday 30 May 2003 06:15 am, Buchan Milne wrote:
> Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:
> > Buchan Milne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >>Guillaume Cottenceau wrote:
> >>>Though I agree, I remain skeptical as to why it has never been
> >>>mentioned for urpmi which has the error for more than 3 years
> >>>now.
> >>
> >>1)Because MD's won't use urpmi
> >
> > md?
>
> Managing Director / CEO etc etc.

Oh good, had me worried there for a moment... ;-)

Vincent Meyer, MD
Board Certified in Family Practice
Regular user of urpmi

Re: [Cooker] [Bug 3606] [kernel-source] New: kernel has too many patches, should be closer to standard kernel

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Monday 31 March 2003 07:38 am, Bruno Prior wrote:
> I think Simon has a point. There are plenty of occasions (e.g. IDE
> problems in the past) when the recommended solution is to get hold of a
> vanilla kernel, apply relevant patches (usually starting with the latest
> ac patch) and rebuild the kernel. The trouble is, many patches won't
> work on Mandrake kernel source, as it is already so heavily patched, so
> you have to patch vanilla kernel source, which loses some
> Mandrake-specific features (e.g. Supermount).
>

Two points though.. if you want the Mandrake specific features, you WON'T find 
them in the main tree - and until they're merged back upstream, can't have it 
both ways.  You have to decide which kernel you want and go with it.   

Second point - we have people who maintain the Mandrake kernel.  If there's a 
useful patch, they'll apply it, no?  If it means reading the patch, figuring 
out what it MEANS, and applying it in the context of the existing patches - 
it's a little more work than just layering on patches, but isn't that what 
kernel guru's are supposed to do?


> If there were a clear path that showed which patches the Mandrake guys
> had applied, in what order, then it might be possible to construct a
> hybrid kernel that retained as many Mandrake features as possible but
> solved your specific problem. And the information gained would be useful
> to Mandrake. But I have never found a document that detailed the patches
> applied by the Mandrake guys. Unless it exists, Mandrake are missing an
> opportunity to harness community input.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bruno Prior

Regards,

Vinny

Re: [Cooker] [Bug 3606] [kernel-source] New: kernel has too many patches, should be closer to standard kernel

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

On Sunday 30 March 2003 02:49 pm, simon wrote:
> http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3606
>
>Product: kernel-source
>  Component: kernel-source
>Summary: kernel has too many patches, should be closer to
> standard kernel
>Version: 2.4.18-21mdk
>   Platform: PC
> OS/Version: All
> Status: UNCONFIRMED
>   Severity: normal
>   Priority: P2
> AssignedTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> I know this is not a "Real" bug report, but I'm starting to get very unsure
> of the kernel source supplied with mandrake. I know this kernel has
> hundreds of patches added to it that are not in the main tree. Although I
> understand the need to support lots of hardware (I know I've got some
> difficult stuff) I'm sure it is very wrong to do it like this (lots of
> patches on top of pre releases of the next kernel).
>
> A solution would be to get an "Alan Cox" to work for/with mandrake as a
> lieutenant for Linux Torvalds or Marcelo or both. That way people will
> trust these kernels and they will be tested very thoroughly. As it is now,
> whenever there's a kernel bug, you couldn't possibly have the
> manpower/knowledge to find the source of it in the big pile of patches you
> have included.

Hmmm.. Well, I trust the kernels that come out of Mandrakesoft.  I also think 
it's kind of condesending to assume that our kernel maintainers aren't smart 
enough to troubleshoot what they create.   I personally don't much care if 
the Mandrake kernel has someone's "trust" or seal of approval.  I've 
generally had pretty good luck with it, and when I've had problems, they've 
usually been diagnosed and corrected fairly quickly.

And if you want a "standard" kernel, it's out there - download it and use it!
>
> Getting an "Alan" and having him as a trusted part of the kernel community
> will probably take years, unless you get Alan himself ;-), but it'll be
> worth it!

Worth it?  How so?
>

V.

[Cooker] hackgaim question and Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

--- Begin Message ---
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I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned
below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.

For further assistance, please contact <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the message returned below.

The Postfix program

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: unknown user: "walluck"

--- Begin Message ---
David,

Thanks for packaging gaim 0.60 - WHAT an improvement over 0.59!

Dumb question - did the "edit buddy list" tab go away? or is this a bug or 
package error?  Also, a couple of the smileys in Yahoo are missing - show on 
the smileys page as broken links.

Thanks,

Vinny

On Saturday 29 March 2003 06:00 pm, David Walluck wrote:
> [Contrib-RPM]
>
> --=-=-=
> Name: hackgaim Relocations: (not relocateable)
> Version : 0.60  Vendor: MandrakeSoft
> Release : 0.20030329.1mdk   Build Date: Sat Mar 29 23:42:11
> 2003 Install date: (not installed)   Build Host:
> klama.mandrake.org Group   : Networking/Instant messaging   Source RPM:
> (none)
> Size: 1817353  License: GPL
> Packager: David Walluck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> URL : http://gaim.sourceforge.net
> Summary : A GTK+ based multiprotocol instant messaging client
> Description :
> Gaim allows you to talk to anyone using a variety of messaging
> protocols, including AIM (Oscar and TOC), ICQ, IRC, Yahoo!,
> MSN Messenger, Jabber, Gadu-Gadu, Napster, and Zephyr.  These
> protocols are implemented using a modular, easy to use design.
> To use a protocol, just load the plugin for it.
>
> Gaim supports many common features of other clients, as well as many
> unique features, such as perl scripting and C plugins.
>
> Gaim is NOT affiliated with or endorsed by AOL.
>
>
> --=-=-=
>
> * Mon Jan 20 2003 David Walluck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 0.60-0.20030329.1mdk
>
> - release
>
> --=-=-=
>
> --=-=-=
>
> --=-=-=

--- End Message ---
--- End Message ---

[Cooker] harddrake's menu item brings up logdrake?

[Vincent Meyer, MD]

Hi,

Loaded 9.1 release today, and while playing tried launching harddrake from 
the menu in KDE.  After getting the password from me for root access, it 
launched logdrake instead!

I didn't see this in a quick bugzilla search, and would file a bug report, 
but is it a harddrake packageing bug or a logdrake packageing bug?

BTW - 9.1 rocks.

V.