Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive
I was having the exact same problem. Whenever I tried to turn on DMA using hdparm the drive would just hang on me. I don't know what kind of controller you have, but in order to get my AMD Viper to work with DMA I had to turn on USE_DMA_BY_DEFAULT and recompile the kernel. Works great now... -Chris On Mon, 05 Jun 2000, you wrote: > I do can do a -c1 just fine also. If I do a -d1 (dma)...locks up...harddrive > light on constantly, even with the -X66 or -X68. I have a WD 20.5 ata/66 7200 rpm > drive. I wonder what's up with the dma stuff. > > -Brian > > Jonathan Prigot wrote: > > > What happens if you don't do the -d1? I can do -c1 just fine (and it speeds > > things up 50%), but if I do -d1 my system locks solid. > > --- > > On Mon, 05 Jun 2000, you wrote: > > > I am trying to change the 16 bit i/o seetings for my hard drive to 32 bit to > > > drive to speed up access with the following command: > > > > > > hdparm -c 1 -d 1 /dev/hde (I have ata/66 drives working on hde/hdg) > > > > > > I wait a good 5 minutes and nothing ...just hangs, but I can close the > > > x-terminal. > > > > > > Any ideas here/ > > > > > > BTW, I got this tweak tip from: > > > > > > http://www.linuxnewbie.org/nhf/intel/hardware/hdtweak.html > > > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > -- > > Jonathan M. Prigot (617-278-0794) > > Brigham and Women's Hospital > > 900 Commonwealth Avenue, East > > Boston, MA 02215-1213 > > -- > Brian Fleischman Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive
Hello David Walluck, On Fri, 9 Jun 2000 00:28:52 -0400 (EDT) GMT your local time, which was Friday, June 09, 2000, 11:28:52 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, David Walluck wrote: > On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Civileme wrote: >> On Thu, 08 Jun 2000, you wrote: >> > Can someone help me here? >> > >> > VT 82C597 Apollo VP3 >> > >> > hda: Maxtor 84000A6, ATA DISK drive >> > hdb: WDC WD181AA, ATA DISK drive >> >> if you reverse the order of these drives, you could destroy them. PLEASE see >> >> http://kt.linuxcare.com/kernel-traffic/kt2214_54.epl (second item) >> >> before something happens. >> >> Put one with your CD or something, but get them off the same channel. >> >> and hda is faster because it is a Maxtor and can use real DMA, and it has a >> better timing setup and it is the MASTER--never expect the slave to be faster. > I know it looks stupid, but this is the only way I could get the drives to > work. It did not work on the CD-ROM cable, and it could not detect the WDC > as master. The WDC is UDMA so I would expect that to have been faster even > with (U)DMA disabled. WDC said that if the drive speeds differ greatly > that it may be impossible for the BIOS to detect the drive as master, so I > would need to use another setup, but as I said I can't get any other setup > to work! I think with DMA off it should work fine because they will be on > a level playing field if you will. If you can help farther, that would be > appreciated :) Consider as the WD is under Waranty to get it exchanged for something else as it clearly doesnt run as it should. As long as its one off cases hitting them they may do it but obviously the signs are clear that if their drives are out of spec and misbehaving they will sooner or later go bust... -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.44 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 LOCAL phone: 271194
Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive
On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Civileme wrote: > On Thu, 08 Jun 2000, you wrote: > > Can someone help me here? > > > > VT 82C597 Apollo VP3 > > > > hda: Maxtor 84000A6, ATA DISK drive > > hdb: WDC WD181AA, ATA DISK drive > > if you reverse the order of these drives, you could destroy them. PLEASE see > > http://kt.linuxcare.com/kernel-traffic/kt2214_54.epl (second item) > > before something happens. > > Put one with your CD or something, but get them off the same channel. > > and hda is faster because it is a Maxtor and can use real DMA, and it has a > better timing setup and it is the MASTER--never expect the slave to be faster. I know it looks stupid, but this is the only way I could get the drives to work. It did not work on the CD-ROM cable, and it could not detect the WDC as master. The WDC is UDMA so I would expect that to have been faster even with (U)DMA disabled. WDC said that if the drive speeds differ greatly that it may be impossible for the BIOS to detect the drive as master, so I would need to use another setup, but as I said I can't get any other setup to work! I think with DMA off it should work fine because they will be on a level playing field if you will. If you can help farther, that would be appreciated :)
Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive
On Thu, 08 Jun 2000, you wrote:
> Can someone help me here?
>
> VT 82C597 Apollo VP3
>
> hda: Maxtor 84000A6, ATA DISK drive
> hdb: WDC WD181AA, ATA DISK drive
if you reverse the order of these drives, you could destroy them. PLEASE see
http://kt.linuxcare.com/kernel-traffic/kt2214_54.epl (second item)
before something happens.
Put one with your CD or something, but get them off the same channel.
and hda is faster because it is a Maxtor and can use real DMA, and it has a
better timing setup and it is the MASTER--never expect the slave to be faster.
>
> hda: 7825932 sectors (4007 MB) w/256KiB Cache, CHS=970/128/63, DMA
> hdb: 35419104 sectors (18135 MB) w/2048KiB Cache, CHS=2204/255/63,
> UDMA(33)
>
> So why is hda faster?
>
> DMA off:
>
> /dev/hda:
> Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 10.19 seconds = 6.28 MB/sec
> /dev/hdb:
> Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 12.60 seconds = 5.08 MB/sec
>
> DMA on:
>
> /dev/hda:
> Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 7.68 seconds = 8.33 MB/sec
> /dev/hdb:
> Timing buffered disk reads: hdb: timeout waiting for DMA
> ide_dmaproc: chipset supported ide_dma_timeout func only: 12
> hdb: irq timeout: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }
Fortunate you are that that is all that is happening. Kernel Panic "lost
interupt" is another possibility as is no error message (but corrupted data)
>
> OK, so what is wrong here?
Read the article--it is a signal reflection under advanced pentium code.
Civileme
Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive
Can someone help me here?
VT 82C597 Apollo VP3
hda: Maxtor 84000A6, ATA DISK drive
hdb: WDC WD181AA, ATA DISK drive
hda: 7825932 sectors (4007 MB) w/256KiB Cache, CHS=970/128/63, DMA
hdb: 35419104 sectors (18135 MB) w/2048KiB Cache, CHS=2204/255/63,
UDMA(33)
So why is hda faster?
DMA off:
/dev/hda:
Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 10.19 seconds = 6.28 MB/sec
/dev/hdb:
Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 12.60 seconds = 5.08 MB/sec
DMA on:
/dev/hda:
Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 7.68 seconds = 8.33 MB/sec
/dev/hdb:
Timing buffered disk reads: hdb: timeout waiting for DMA
ide_dmaproc: chipset supported ide_dma_timeout func only: 12
hdb: irq timeout: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }
OK, so what is wrong here?
On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, tracer wrote:
> Hello Jonathan Prigot,
> On Wed, 7 Jun 2000 10:01:54 -0400 GMT your local time,
> which was Wednesday, June 07, 2000, 9:01:54 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
> Jonathan Prigot wrote:
>
>
> > Just do an "hdparm /dev/hdX" and it will show you your settings.
> > ---
> > On Tue, 06 Jun 2000, you wrote:
> >> How can I know if DMA is turned on or off? When I bot up it looks to say
> >> that DMA is being used ...around where it says that I am using ata/66.
> >>
>
> One easy way to force dma 33 is to use the old style cable...
>
Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive
Hello Brook humphrey, On Wed, 07 Jun 2000 10:35:39 -0700 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, June 08, 2000, 12:35:39 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Brook humphrey wrote: > people buy them because they are cheep > bobby dowling wrote: >> >> So, there is no way to use DMA on WD drives? Man, this stinks. Why are WD >> hard drives so much slower than others? It seems like this would be widely >> know and people wouldn't but them. Well it is known or should be known to those selling Hardware but allas they are cheap. One of our suppliers insisted on cutting costs and started to supply hard drives which were on my not wanted list so we changed supplier when he didnt want to deliver what I wanted... >> -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.44 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 LOCAL phone: 271194
Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive
Hello Jonathan Prigot, On Wed, 7 Jun 2000 10:01:54 -0400 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, June 07, 2000, 9:01:54 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Jonathan Prigot wrote: > Just do an "hdparm /dev/hdX" and it will show you your settings. > --- > On Tue, 06 Jun 2000, you wrote: >> How can I know if DMA is turned on or off? When I bot up it looks to say >> that DMA is being used ...around where it says that I am using ata/66. >> One easy way to force dma 33 is to use the old style cable... -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.44 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 LOCAL phone: 271194
RE: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive
I thought you needed to set -c3 when using dma...maybe I should set mine to d1 and then try again. I've tried several dif combos but it always locks when dma is turned on. And my WD was bought in Jan. Bryan -Original Message- From: bobby dowling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 10:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive I wonder how current it has to be ...got my drives about 6 months ago. >From: "Don Krause" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive >Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:42:33 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [216.71.84.35] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBB0838ED0007D820F3C6D847542336470; Wed Jun 07 17:50:53 2000 >Received: (from sympa@localhost)by mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com >(8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA15294for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 >19:50:20 -0500 >Received: from proton.llumc.edu (proton.llumc.edu [143.197.200.1]) by >mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA11998 for ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 19:36:32 -0500 >Received: from ankaa (ankaa.llumc.edu [143.197.200.81]) by >proton.llumc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA00463 for ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:42:31 -0700 (PDT) >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jun 07 17:52:38 2000 >Message-Id: <000d01bfd0e2$6fad5500$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >X-Priority: 3 (Normal) >X-Msmail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 >In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 >Importance: Normal >X-Loop: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >X-Sequence: 557 >Precedence: list >X-Validation-BY: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >DMA works fine on CURRENT Wd disks. There was an issue with an earlier >disk. > >just a simple test on my Mandrake7.0 box with a single WD 27 GIG drive. >(Using bonnie) >Fresh reboot, no hdparm: > > ---Sequential Output ---Sequential >Input-- --Random-- > -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per >Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- >MachineMB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec >%CPU > 100 4261 73.5 5092 7.5 1776 19.8 2928 71.9 3956 18.5 288.7 >8.3 > >Reboot again. Then hdparm -d1c1 /dev/hda (then run bonnie again) > > ---Sequential Output ---Sequential >Input-- --Random-- > -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per >Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- >MachineMB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec >%CPU > 100 7919 99.3 28024 30.9 9332 20.8 7509 86.8 19223 16.9 440.1 >2.4 > >That's a pretty good improvement for a drive that isn't susposed to work at >all in UDMA mode. > >-- >Don Krause [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -Original Message- > > From: bobby dowling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 5:04 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive > > > > > > Well, it looks like you got lucky. I have a 13 gig and an 8 > > gig WD and they > > are both slow. The funny thing is that the 8 gig is a 5400 > > rpm drive and > > hdparm says it is a shade faster than the 13 gig drive, which > > is a 7200 rpm > > drive...go figure. ...around 4.7 megs/sec each. > > > > I wish I knew this before I bought the drives. I got them at > > Best Buy and > > they sale both WD and Maxtor drives ...it was a flip of the coin then > > ...should have done my research ...maybe next time!! :) > > > > > > >From: Sebastian Dransfeld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Subject: Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive > > >Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 00:24:36 +0200 (MET DST) > > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > > >Received: from [216.71.84.35] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id > > >MHotMailBB08171F00A3D82197E5D8475423685B0; Wed Jun 07 15:26:39 2000 > > >Received: (from sympa@localhost)by mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com > > >(8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA04424for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 > > >17:25:41 -0500 > > >Received: from elefant.stud.ntnu.no (elefant.stud.ntnu.no > > [129.241.56.22]) > > > by mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP > > id RAA03805 > > >for<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:24:01 -0500 > > >Received: from jeeves.stud.ntnu.no (jeeves [129.241.56.14]) by > &
RE: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive
I wonder how current it has to be ...got my drives about 6 months ago. >From: "Don Krause" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive >Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:42:33 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [216.71.84.35] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBB0838ED0007D820F3C6D847542336470; Wed Jun 07 17:50:53 2000 >Received: (from sympa@localhost)by mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com >(8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA15294for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 >19:50:20 -0500 >Received: from proton.llumc.edu (proton.llumc.edu [143.197.200.1]) by >mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA11998 for ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 19:36:32 -0500 >Received: from ankaa (ankaa.llumc.edu [143.197.200.81]) by >proton.llumc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA00463 for ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:42:31 -0700 (PDT) >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jun 07 17:52:38 2000 >Message-Id: <000d01bfd0e2$6fad5500$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >X-Priority: 3 (Normal) >X-Msmail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 >In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 >Importance: Normal >X-Loop: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >X-Sequence: 557 >Precedence: list >X-Validation-BY: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >DMA works fine on CURRENT Wd disks. There was an issue with an earlier >disk. > >just a simple test on my Mandrake7.0 box with a single WD 27 GIG drive. >(Using bonnie) >Fresh reboot, no hdparm: > > ---Sequential Output ---Sequential >Input-- --Random-- > -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per >Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- >MachineMB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec >%CPU > 100 4261 73.5 5092 7.5 1776 19.8 2928 71.9 3956 18.5 288.7 >8.3 > >Reboot again. Then hdparm -d1c1 /dev/hda (then run bonnie again) > > ---Sequential Output ---Sequential >Input-- --Random-- > -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per >Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- >MachineMB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec >%CPU > 100 7919 99.3 28024 30.9 9332 20.8 7509 86.8 19223 16.9 440.1 >2.4 > >That's a pretty good improvement for a drive that isn't susposed to work at >all in UDMA mode. > >-- >Don Krause [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -Original Message- > > From: bobby dowling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 5:04 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive > > > > > > Well, it looks like you got lucky. I have a 13 gig and an 8 > > gig WD and they > > are both slow. The funny thing is that the 8 gig is a 5400 > > rpm drive and > > hdparm says it is a shade faster than the 13 gig drive, which > > is a 7200 rpm > > drive...go figure. ...around 4.7 megs/sec each. > > > > I wish I knew this before I bought the drives. I got them at > > Best Buy and > > they sale both WD and Maxtor drives ...it was a flip of the coin then > > ...should have done my research ...maybe next time!! :) > > > > > > >From: Sebastian Dransfeld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Subject: Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive > > >Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 00:24:36 +0200 (MET DST) > > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > > >Received: from [216.71.84.35] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id > > >MHotMailBB08171F00A3D82197E5D8475423685B0; Wed Jun 07 15:26:39 2000 > > >Received: (from sympa@localhost)by mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com > > >(8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA04424for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 > > >17:25:41 -0500 > > >Received: from elefant.stud.ntnu.no (elefant.stud.ntnu.no > > [129.241.56.22]) > > > by mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP > > id RAA03805 > > >for<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:24:01 -0500 > > >Received: from jeeves.stud.ntnu.no (jeeves [129.241.56.14]) by > > >elefant.stud.ntnu.no (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id > > >e57MOqC05818 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 8 Jun > > 2000 00:24:52 > > >+0200 (MET DST) > > >Received: from localhost (sebastid@localhost) by > > jeeves.stud.ntnu.no > > >(8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id e57MOa219068 for > > ><[
RE: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive
DMA works fine on CURRENT Wd disks. There was an issue with an earlier disk. just a simple test on my Mandrake7.0 box with a single WD 27 GIG drive. (Using bonnie) Fresh reboot, no hdparm: ---Sequential Output ---Sequential Input-- --Random-- -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- MachineMB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec %CPU 100 4261 73.5 5092 7.5 1776 19.8 2928 71.9 3956 18.5 288.7 8.3 Reboot again. Then hdparm -d1c1 /dev/hda (then run bonnie again) ---Sequential Output ---Sequential Input-- --Random-- -Per Char- --Block--- -Rewrite-- -Per Char- --Block--- --Seeks--- MachineMB K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU K/sec %CPU /sec %CPU 100 7919 99.3 28024 30.9 9332 20.8 7509 86.8 19223 16.9 440.1 2.4 That's a pretty good improvement for a drive that isn't susposed to work at all in UDMA mode. -- Don Krause [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: bobby dowling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 5:04 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive > > > Well, it looks like you got lucky. I have a 13 gig and an 8 > gig WD and they > are both slow. The funny thing is that the 8 gig is a 5400 > rpm drive and > hdparm says it is a shade faster than the 13 gig drive, which > is a 7200 rpm > drive...go figure. ...around 4.7 megs/sec each. > > I wish I knew this before I bought the drives. I got them at > Best Buy and > they sale both WD and Maxtor drives ...it was a flip of the coin then > ...should have done my research ...maybe next time!! :) > > > >From: Sebastian Dransfeld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive > >Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 00:24:36 +0200 (MET DST) > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Received: from [216.71.84.35] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id > >MHotMailBB08171F00A3D82197E5D8475423685B0; Wed Jun 07 15:26:39 2000 > >Received: (from sympa@localhost)by mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com > >(8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA04424for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 > >17:25:41 -0500 > >Received: from elefant.stud.ntnu.no (elefant.stud.ntnu.no > [129.241.56.22]) > > by mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP > id RAA03805 > >for<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:24:01 -0500 > >Received: from jeeves.stud.ntnu.no (jeeves [129.241.56.14]) by > >elefant.stud.ntnu.no (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id > >e57MOqC05818 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 8 Jun > 2000 00:24:52 > >+0200 (MET DST) > >Received: from localhost (sebastid@localhost) by > jeeves.stud.ntnu.no > >(8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id e57MOa219068 for > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 00:24:36 +0200 (MET DST) > >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jun 07 15:29:33 2000 > >X-Authentication-Warning: jeeves.stud.ntnu.no: sebastid > owned process > >doing -bs > >In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Message-Id: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >X-Sequence: 548 > >Precedence: list > > > >On Wed, 7 Jun 2000, bobby dowling wrote: > > > > > So, there is no way to use DMA on WD drives? Man, this > stinks. Why are > >WD > > > hard drives so much slower than others? It seems like > this would be > >widely > > > know and people wouldn't but them. > > > >Model=WDC AC310200R > > > >This one works with standard Mandrake hdparm options. > > > >Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 5.10 seconds = 12.55 MB/sec > > > >It's okay. > > > >seb > > > > __ > __ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive
Well, it looks like you got lucky. I have a 13 gig and an 8 gig WD and they are both slow. The funny thing is that the 8 gig is a 5400 rpm drive and hdparm says it is a shade faster than the 13 gig drive, which is a 7200 rpm drive...go figure. ...around 4.7 megs/sec each. I wish I knew this before I bought the drives. I got them at Best Buy and they sale both WD and Maxtor drives ...it was a flip of the coin then ...should have done my research ...maybe next time!! :) >From: Sebastian Dransfeld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive >Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 00:24:36 +0200 (MET DST) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [216.71.84.35] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBB08171F00A3D82197E5D8475423685B0; Wed Jun 07 15:26:39 2000 >Received: (from sympa@localhost)by mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com >(8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA04424for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 >17:25:41 -0500 >Received: from elefant.stud.ntnu.no (elefant.stud.ntnu.no [129.241.56.22]) > by mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA03805 >for<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:24:01 -0500 >Received: from jeeves.stud.ntnu.no (jeeves [129.241.56.14]) by >elefant.stud.ntnu.no (8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id >e57MOqC05818 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 00:24:52 >+0200 (MET DST) >Received: from localhost (sebastid@localhost) by jeeves.stud.ntnu.no >(8.10.0.Beta12/8.10.0.Beta12) with ESMTP id e57MOa219068 for ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 00:24:36 +0200 (MET DST) >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jun 07 15:29:33 2000 >X-Authentication-Warning: jeeves.stud.ntnu.no: sebastid owned process >doing -bs >In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >X-Sequence: 548 >Precedence: list > >On Wed, 7 Jun 2000, bobby dowling wrote: > > > So, there is no way to use DMA on WD drives? Man, this stinks. Why are >WD > > hard drives so much slower than others? It seems like this would be >widely > > know and people wouldn't but them. > >Model=WDC AC310200R > >This one works with standard Mandrake hdparm options. > >Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 5.10 seconds = 12.55 MB/sec > >It's okay. > >seb > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive
On Wed, 7 Jun 2000, bobby dowling wrote: > So, there is no way to use DMA on WD drives? Man, this stinks. Why are WD > hard drives so much slower than others? It seems like this would be widely > know and people wouldn't but them. Model=WDC AC310200R This one works with standard Mandrake hdparm options. Timing buffered disk reads: 64 MB in 5.10 seconds = 12.55 MB/sec It's okay. seb
Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive
maxtor is actually the fastest on the last report I saw. And they don't have the same problems as wd. They still aren't good they just aren't the best. But they are fast. IBM's as far as I know are the best. bobby dowling wrote: > > No Cheaper than Maxtor ...Maxtor any faster? > > >From: Brook humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive > >Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 10:35:39 -0700 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Received: from [216.71.84.35] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id > >MHotMailBB07DB0600C6D82197C8D847542361580; Wed Jun 07 11:10:15 2000 > >Received: (from sympa@localhost)by mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com > >(8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA15079for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 > >13:09:56 -0500 > >Received: from thelinuxstop.com (cm-208-152-7-90.davis.ispchannel.com > >[208.152.7.90]) by mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP > >id MAA03240 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:37:30 > >-0500 > >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jun 07 11:12:46 2000 > >Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) > >X-Accept-Language: en > >References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >X-Sequence: 518 > >Precedence: list > > > >people buy them because they are cheep > > > >bobby dowling wrote: > > > > > > So, there is no way to use DMA on WD drives? Man, this stinks. Why are > >WD > > > hard drives so much slower than others? It seems like this would be > >widely > > > know and people wouldn't but them. > > > > > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive
Maxtor are the fastest 7200rpm IDE drives on the market. They will beat most 7200 SCSI and are only 10% slower than 1 SCSI . Charles - Original Message - From: "bobby dowling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive > No Cheaper than Maxtor ...Maxtor any faster? > > > >From: Brook humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive > >Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 10:35:39 -0700 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Received: from [216.71.84.35] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id > >MHotMailBB07DB0600C6D82197C8D847542361580; Wed Jun 07 11:10:15 2000 > >Received: (from sympa@localhost)by mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com > >(8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA15079for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 > >13:09:56 -0500 > >Received: from thelinuxstop.com (cm-208-152-7-90.davis.ispchannel.com > >[208.152.7.90]) by mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP > >id MAA03240 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:37:30 > >-0500 > >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jun 07 11:12:46 2000 > >Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) > >X-Accept-Language: en > >References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >X-Sequence: 518 > >Precedence: list > > > >people buy them because they are cheep > > > >bobby dowling wrote: > > > > > > So, there is no way to use DMA on WD drives? Man, this stinks. Why are > >WD > > > hard drives so much slower than others? It seems like this would be > >widely > > > know and people wouldn't but them. > > > > > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > >
Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive
No Cheaper than Maxtor ...Maxtor any faster? >From: Brook humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive >Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 10:35:39 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [216.71.84.35] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBB07DB0600C6D82197C8D847542361580; Wed Jun 07 11:10:15 2000 >Received: (from sympa@localhost)by mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com >(8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA15079for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 >13:09:56 -0500 >Received: from thelinuxstop.com (cm-208-152-7-90.davis.ispchannel.com >[208.152.7.90]) by mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP >id MAA03240 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:37:30 >-0500 >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jun 07 11:12:46 2000 >Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) >X-Accept-Language: en >References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >X-Sequence: 518 >Precedence: list > >people buy them because they are cheep > >bobby dowling wrote: > > > > So, there is no way to use DMA on WD drives? Man, this stinks. Why are >WD > > hard drives so much slower than others? It seems like this would be >widely > > know and people wouldn't but them. > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive
people buy them because they are cheep bobby dowling wrote: > > So, there is no way to use DMA on WD drives? Man, this stinks. Why are WD > hard drives so much slower than others? It seems like this would be widely > know and people wouldn't but them. >
Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive
So, there is no way to use DMA on WD drives? Man, this stinks. Why are WD hard drives so much slower than others? It seems like this would be widely know and people wouldn't but them. >From: "Jonathan Prigot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive >Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 10:01:54 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [216.71.84.35] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBB07A2540042D820F3A6D847542338760; Wed Jun 07 07:08:20 2000 >Received: (from sympa@localhost)by mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com >(8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA18432for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 >09:10:03 -0500 >Received: from rics.bwh.harvard.edu (rics.bwh.harvard.edu [134.174.18.75]) > by mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA16437 >for<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 09:02:50 -0500 >Received: from labmouse.dpm.bwh.harvard.edu ([170.223.6.142]) by >rics.bwh.harvard.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with SMTP id 186 for > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 09:58:09 -0400 >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jun 07 07:10:47 2000 >Organization: Brigham and Women's Hospital >X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] >References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >X-Sequence: 494 >Precedence: list >X-Validation-BY: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Just do an "hdparm /dev/hdX" and it will show you your settings. >--- >On Tue, 06 Jun 2000, you wrote: > > How can I know if DMA is turned on or off? When I bot up it looks to >say > > that DMA is being used ...around where it says that I am using ata/66. > > >-- >Jonathan M. Prigot (617-278-0794) >Brigham and Women's Hospital >900 Commonwealth Avenue, East >Boston, MA 02215-1213 > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive
Just do an "hdparm /dev/hdX" and it will show you your settings. --- On Tue, 06 Jun 2000, you wrote: > How can I know if DMA is turned on or off? When I bot up it looks to say > that DMA is being used ...around where it says that I am using ata/66. > -- Jonathan M. Prigot (617-278-0794) Brigham and Women's Hospital 900 Commonwealth Avenue, East Boston, MA 02215-1213
Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive
Hello David Walluck, On Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:16:34 -0400 (EDT) GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, June 07, 2000, 1:16:34 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, David Walluck wrote: > Sorry, I can't say anything for Windows 98 because I've never used it more > than a couple times as I don't have it installed. However, my friend has a > 17G WDC and runs Win98 and his drive seemed to be working fine and he had > 4 drives in there I think. However, on this list I remember at least 4 > people report DMA not working on larget WDC drives. Maybe a call to their > tech support is in order, but they may just say they don't support Linux > and not help you. But frankly with these problems I am wanting to get my > drive replaced. Do yu know how much slower things are with DMA turned off? > Anyway, to recap, I know nothing about Win98 problems, nut my friend's > Win98 and WDC drive works fine. As for Linux, when I have DMA turned on I > get constant errors and data corruption. When I have hdparm run it just > hangs the drive. Are any of these three symptoms similar to yours? I can > live without the hdparm thing, as that's not guarnteed to work anyway, but > having to leave DMA off really bothers me. DMA seems to work under 98 but its not anywhere as fast as it should be. At least not on my system. As I said I have my linux on 8 gb drives to keep things simple... And thats a Quantum and no problem with that. But my 98 is fairly straightforward and optimized and since the last few weeks even stable (sorry for saying this but normally its anything BUT stable(g)) I run a small oem and to be honest, I donot sell Western Digital OR Fujitsu... We use Quantums (first choice) or Seagate (second). In the hot humid climate we have, Fujitsus have to be very lucky to survive the first year and WD normally nothing but a headache. Mine were kind of inherited via a gift and as I donot want to make my customers unhappy I use them myself... or better the Kiddies will (g) -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.44 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 LOCAL phone: 271194
Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive
Hello bobby dowling, On Tue, 06 Jun 2000 17:25:52 CDT GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, June 07, 2000, 5:25:52 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, bobby dowling wrote: > I am getting about 4.7 megs /second on my 7200 rpm WD. I am using ata/66 an > hdparm without the d1 option. I am not sure if this rate is good or not, > but when I see people say that they are getting 12+ megs per sec I start to > worry. > 4.7 is no good, right? Seems to be more or less what I get with luck but with a maxtor you could do 15 > How can I know if DMA is turned on or off? When I bot up it looks to say > that DMA is being used ...around where it says that I am using ata/66. -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.44 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 LOCAL phone: 271194
Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive
I am getting about 4.7 megs /second on my 7200 rpm WD. I am using ata/66 an hdparm without the d1 option. I am not sure if this rate is good or not, but when I see people say that they are getting 12+ megs per sec I start to worry. 4.7 is no good, right? How can I know if DMA is turned on or off? When I bot up it looks to say that DMA is being used ...around where it says that I am using ata/66. >From: "B. K. Barley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive >Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 14:18:18 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [216.71.84.35] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBB068BDA0040D82197B6D8475423458F0; Tue Jun 06 11:20:10 2000 >Received: (from sympa@localhost)by mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com >(8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA17971for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 >13:20:09 -0500 >Received: from mail1.rdc2.pa.home.com (mail1.rdc2.pa.home.com >[24.12.106.240]) by mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP > id NAA17367 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 13:18:06 >-0500 >Received: from home.com ([24.8.222.105]) by mail1.rdc2.pa.home.com >(InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 11:18:07 -0700 >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Jun 06 11:23:40 2000 >Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.15-4mdk i686) >X-Accept-Language: en >References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >X-Sequence: 427 >Precedence: list > >As far as how much slower the drive is with dma turned off...well, I have >an >older 3 gig fugistu that is non ata66. With the dma turned on, I get about >12meg/sec transfer. With my wd 13gig I get about 1.3 or so. So it is >seriously hurting the drives performance. > >B. K. Barley > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive
Oops, sorry, that should be -A1. (But a peek at the man page would have told you that I goofed, and how.) --- On Mon, 05 Jun 2000, you wrote: > What does -a 1 option do? > > > >From: "Jonathan M. Prigot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive > >Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 21:14:20 -0400 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Received: from [216.71.84.35] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id > >MHotMailBB059D5E004FD82197AAD8475423405E0; Mon Jun 05 18:22:39 2000 > >Received: (from sympa@localhost)by mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com > >(8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA09570for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 > >15:22:06 -0500 > >Received: from prserv.net (out4.prserv.net [32.97.166.34]) by > >mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA06407 for > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 15:13:41 -0500 > >Received: from attglobal.net ([32.100.243.4]) by prserv.net (out4) with > >SMTP id <2606011412239032l86oe>; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 01:14:13 + > >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jun 05 18:23:55 2000 > >Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.15-4mdk i686) > >X-Accept-Language: en > >References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >X-Sequence: 372 > >Precedence: list > > > >David Walluck wrote: > >AFAIK, you are asked at install time whether you want to enable hard > >drive optimizations, and warned that it can do some nasty things. The > >default answer is "No". If you answer "Yes" it puts a line in > >/etc/sysconfig/system that enables hdparm -a1 -c1 -d1. According to > >messages here, -d1 may cause system lockups. > >--- > > > > > > Brian Fleischman wrote: > > > > > > > > I do can do a -c1 just fine also. If I do a -d1 (dma)...locks > > > up...harddrive > > > > light on constantly, even with the -X66 or -X68. I have a WD 20.5 > > > ata/66 7200 rpm > > > > drive. I wonder what's up with the dma stuff. > > > > > > > > -Brian > > > > > > Hi. Why are hard drive optimizations on per default??? I have to add > > > "nohdparm" to the command-line. On my WDC 18G drive, it hangs. I'm > > > having serious problems with DMA enabled on this drive anyway (VP3 > > > chipset). So I turned off "Use DMA by default" in the kernel. Still, > > > hard drive optimizations apparently can't be enabled on WDC dricves. > > > I've seen this problem reported many times and I'm experiencing serious > > > problems myself. > > > > > > -- > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > David Walluck > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >-- > >Jonathan M. Prigot > > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- Jonathan M. Prigot (617-278-0794) Brigham and Women's Hospital 900 Commonwealth Avenue, East Boston, MA 02215-1213
Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive
On Tue, 06 Jun 2000, you wrote: > As far as how much slower the drive is with dma turned off...well, I have > an older 3 gig fugistu that is non ata66. With the dma turned on, I get > about 12meg/sec transfer. With my wd 13gig I get about 1.3 or so. So it > is seriously hurting the drives performance. > > B. K. Barley http://kt.linuxcare.com/kernel-traffic/kt2214_54.epl 2nd item Your BEST chance at a resolution is to use the 486 distro or any alternative 386 distros, as you can see from the article. Your best chances in the future involve NOT buying WD drives nor any computers that use them. With REAL code, the WD is found wanting--it has been out of spec for a long time, bad on the timing and blowing off the CRC. Now, as they say, with Pentium-compiled drivers becoming more common, the jig is up. You have a hardware problem and it is named Western Digital. Civileme
Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive
As far as how much slower the drive is with dma turned off...well, I have an older 3 gig fugistu that is non ata66. With the dma turned on, I get about 12meg/sec transfer. With my wd 13gig I get about 1.3 or so. So it is seriously hurting the drives performance. B. K. Barley
Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive
Sorry, I can't say anything for Windows 98 because I've never used it more than a couple times as I don't have it installed. However, my friend has a 17G WDC and runs Win98 and his drive seemed to be working fine and he had 4 drives in there I think. However, on this list I remember at least 4 people report DMA not working on larget WDC drives. Maybe a call to their tech support is in order, but they may just say they don't support Linux and not help you. But frankly with these problems I am wanting to get my drive replaced. Do yu know how much slower things are with DMA turned off? Anyway, to recap, I know nothing about Win98 problems, nut my friend's Win98 and WDC drive works fine. As for Linux, when I have DMA turned on I get constant errors and data corruption. When I have hdparm run it just hangs the drive. Are any of these three symptoms similar to yours? I can live without the hdparm thing, as that's not guarnteed to work anyway, but having to leave DMA off really bothers me. On Tue, 6 Jun 2000, tracer wrote: > Hello David Walluck, > On Mon, 5 Jun 2000 20:44:14 -0400 (EDT) GMT your local time, > which was Tuesday, June 06, 2000, 7:44:14 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, > David Walluck wrote: > > > > Brian Fleischman wrote: > >> > >> I do can do a -c1 just fine also. If I do a -d1 (dma)...locks > > up...harddrive > >> light on constantly, even with the -X66 or -X68. I have a WD 20.5 > > ata/66 7200 rpm > >> drive. I wonder what's up with the dma stuff. > >> > >> -Brian > > > Hi. Why are hard drive optimizations on per default??? I have to add > > "nohdparm" to the command-line. On my WDC 18G drive, it hangs. I'm > > having serious problems with DMA enabled on this drive anyway (VP3 > > chipset). So I turned off "Use DMA by default" in the kernel. Still, > > hard drive optimizations apparently can't be enabled on WDC dricves. > > I've seen this problem reported many times and I'm experiencing serious > > problems myself. > > let me ask something here which could be related. > I run the 15 gb WDC's and so does a friend. > Not for mandrake but for windows 98... > linux sits on another box with 2*8 gb drives. > However BOTH my friend and I have experienced odd behaviour of these > drives under 98 where a fat 32 split into 3 doesnt show the last > partitions in fdisk, it does with other tools and under 98 all is > there. > But I have the silly situation that of booting with a standard 98 > floppy, I have 2 partitions visible > I never had that on my 13.5 WDC or the Quantums... > > I strongly suspect that there is something in these drives which > doesnt work 'standard' > >
Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive
Hello David Walluck, On Mon, 5 Jun 2000 20:44:14 -0400 (EDT) GMT your local time, which was Tuesday, June 06, 2000, 7:44:14 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, David Walluck wrote: > Brian Fleischman wrote: >> >> I do can do a -c1 just fine also. If I do a -d1 (dma)...locks > up...harddrive >> light on constantly, even with the -X66 or -X68. I have a WD 20.5 > ata/66 7200 rpm >> drive. I wonder what's up with the dma stuff. >> >> -Brian > Hi. Why are hard drive optimizations on per default??? I have to add > "nohdparm" to the command-line. On my WDC 18G drive, it hangs. I'm > having serious problems with DMA enabled on this drive anyway (VP3 > chipset). So I turned off "Use DMA by default" in the kernel. Still, > hard drive optimizations apparently can't be enabled on WDC dricves. > I've seen this problem reported many times and I'm experiencing serious > problems myself. let me ask something here which could be related. I run the 15 gb WDC's and so does a friend. Not for mandrake but for windows 98... linux sits on another box with 2*8 gb drives. However BOTH my friend and I have experienced odd behaviour of these drives under 98 where a fat 32 split into 3 doesnt show the last partitions in fdisk, it does with other tools and under 98 all is there. But I have the silly situation that of booting with a standard 98 floppy, I have 2 partitions visible I never had that on my 13.5 WDC or the Quantums... I strongly suspect that there is something in these drives which doesnt work 'standard' -- Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.44 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] using FireTalk: 321338 LOCAL phone: 271194
Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive
What does -a 1 option do? >From: "Jonathan M. Prigot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive >Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 21:14:20 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [216.71.84.35] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBB059D5E004FD82197AAD8475423405E0; Mon Jun 05 18:22:39 2000 >Received: (from sympa@localhost)by mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com >(8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA09570for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 >15:22:06 -0500 >Received: from prserv.net (out4.prserv.net [32.97.166.34]) by >mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA06407 for ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 15:13:41 -0500 >Received: from attglobal.net ([32.100.243.4]) by prserv.net (out4) with >SMTP id <2606011412239032l86oe>; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 01:14:13 + >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jun 05 18:23:55 2000 >Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.15-4mdk i686) >X-Accept-Language: en >References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >X-Sequence: 372 >Precedence: list > >David Walluck wrote: >AFAIK, you are asked at install time whether you want to enable hard >drive optimizations, and warned that it can do some nasty things. The >default answer is "No". If you answer "Yes" it puts a line in >/etc/sysconfig/system that enables hdparm -a1 -c1 -d1. According to >messages here, -d1 may cause system lockups. >--- > > > > Brian Fleischman wrote: > > > > > > I do can do a -c1 just fine also. If I do a -d1 (dma)...locks > > up...harddrive > > > light on constantly, even with the -X66 or -X68. I have a WD 20.5 > > ata/66 7200 rpm > > > drive. I wonder what's up with the dma stuff. > > > > > > -Brian > > > > Hi. Why are hard drive optimizations on per default??? I have to add > > "nohdparm" to the command-line. On my WDC 18G drive, it hangs. I'm > > having serious problems with DMA enabled on this drive anyway (VP3 > > chipset). So I turned off "Use DMA by default" in the kernel. Still, > > hard drive optimizations apparently can't be enabled on WDC dricves. > > I've seen this problem reported many times and I'm experiencing serious > > problems myself. > > > > -- > > Sincerely, > > > > David Walluck > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >-- >Jonathan M. Prigot > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive
I have the same problem enabling the dma on my wd hard-drive. I check the kernel and it seems that dma and bus mastering for the hpt controllers are not finished yet. So, the support is not built into the kernel that ships with 7.1. Bryan "Jonathan M. Prigot" wrote: > I'm not sure whether it is a problem for all or just some chipsets > (mine's an HPT366 on a Soyo 6BA+ IV mobo, BTW.) I always assumed the > latter and shrugged my shoulders. > --- > Brian Fleischman wrote: > > > > I do can do a -c1 just fine also. If I do a -d1 (dma)...locks up...harddrive > > light on constantly, even with the -X66 or -X68. I have a WD 20.5 ata/66 7200 rpm > > drive. I wonder what's up with the dma stuff. > > > > -Brian > > > > Jonathan Prigot wrote: > > > > > What happens if you don't do the -d1? I can do -c1 just fine (and it speeds > > > things up 50%), but if I do -d1 my system locks solid. > > > --- > > > On Mon, 05 Jun 2000, you wrote: > > > > I am trying to change the 16 bit i/o seetings for my hard drive to 32 bit to > > > > drive to speed up access with the following command: > > > > > > > > hdparm -c 1 -d 1 /dev/hde (I have ata/66 drives working on hde/hdg) > > > > > > > > I wait a good 5 minutes and nothing ...just hangs, but I can close the > > > > x-terminal. > > > > > > > > Any ideas here/ > > > > > > > > BTW, I got this tweak tip from: > > > > > > > > http://www.linuxnewbie.org/nhf/intel/hardware/hdtweak.html > > > > > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > -- > > > Jonathan M. Prigot (617-278-0794) > > > Brigham and Women's Hospital > > > 900 Commonwealth Avenue, East > > > Boston, MA 02215-1213 > > > > -- > > Brian Fleischman Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --- > Jonathan M. Prigot
Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive
David Walluck wrote: AFAIK, you are asked at install time whether you want to enable hard drive optimizations, and warned that it can do some nasty things. The default answer is "No". If you answer "Yes" it puts a line in /etc/sysconfig/system that enables hdparm -a1 -c1 -d1. According to messages here, -d1 may cause system lockups. --- > > Brian Fleischman wrote: > > > > I do can do a -c1 just fine also. If I do a -d1 (dma)...locks > up...harddrive > > light on constantly, even with the -X66 or -X68. I have a WD 20.5 > ata/66 7200 rpm > > drive. I wonder what's up with the dma stuff. > > > > -Brian > > Hi. Why are hard drive optimizations on per default??? I have to add > "nohdparm" to the command-line. On my WDC 18G drive, it hangs. I'm > having serious problems with DMA enabled on this drive anyway (VP3 > chipset). So I turned off "Use DMA by default" in the kernel. Still, > hard drive optimizations apparently can't be enabled on WDC dricves. > I've seen this problem reported many times and I'm experiencing serious > problems myself. > > -- > Sincerely, > > David Walluck > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Jonathan M. Prigot
Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive
Nothing in particular. Just look at the manpage for hdparm and try things. You have nothing to lose but your data ;-> You should also look at the settings in /etc/rc.d/init.d/mandrake_everytime for some ideas. Try things manually at first, test with hdparm -tT, and when you have your ideal settings, put them into mandrake_everytime and edit /etc/sysconfig/system with HDPARM=yes to load your settings at system startup. --- bobby dowling wrote: > > Jon ...know of any other tweaks like that? > > >What happens if you don't do the -d1? I can do -c1 just fine (and it speeds > >things up 50%), but if I do -d1 my system locks solid. > >--- > >On Mon, 05 Jun 2000, you wrote: > > > I am trying to change the 16 bit i/o seetings for my hard drive to 32 > >bit to > > > drive to speed up access with the following command: > > > > > > hdparm -c 1 -d 1 /dev/hde (I have ata/66 drives working on hde/hdg) > > > > > > I wait a good 5 minutes and nothing ...just hangs, but I can close the > > > x-terminal. > > > > > > Any ideas here/ > > > > > > BTW, I got this tweak tip from: > > > > > > http://www.linuxnewbie.org/nhf/intel/hardware/hdtweak.html > > > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > >-- > >Jonathan M. Prigot (617-278-0794) > >Brigham and Women's Hospital > >900 Commonwealth Avenue, East > >Boston, MA 02215-1213 > > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com --- Jonathan M. Prigot (What's a nice guy like you doing with the likes of Hotmail?)
Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive
I'm not sure whether it is a problem for all or just some chipsets (mine's an HPT366 on a Soyo 6BA+ IV mobo, BTW.) I always assumed the latter and shrugged my shoulders. --- Brian Fleischman wrote: > > I do can do a -c1 just fine also. If I do a -d1 (dma)...locks up...harddrive > light on constantly, even with the -X66 or -X68. I have a WD 20.5 ata/66 7200 rpm > drive. I wonder what's up with the dma stuff. > > -Brian > > Jonathan Prigot wrote: > > > What happens if you don't do the -d1? I can do -c1 just fine (and it speeds > > things up 50%), but if I do -d1 my system locks solid. > > --- > > On Mon, 05 Jun 2000, you wrote: > > > I am trying to change the 16 bit i/o seetings for my hard drive to 32 bit to > > > drive to speed up access with the following command: > > > > > > hdparm -c 1 -d 1 /dev/hde (I have ata/66 drives working on hde/hdg) > > > > > > I wait a good 5 minutes and nothing ...just hangs, but I can close the > > > x-terminal. > > > > > > Any ideas here/ > > > > > > BTW, I got this tweak tip from: > > > > > > http://www.linuxnewbie.org/nhf/intel/hardware/hdtweak.html > > > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > -- > > Jonathan M. Prigot (617-278-0794) > > Brigham and Women's Hospital > > 900 Commonwealth Avenue, East > > Boston, MA 02215-1213 > > -- > Brian Fleischman Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Jonathan M. Prigot
Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive
Brian Fleischman wrote: > > I do can do a -c1 just fine also. If I do a -d1 (dma)...locks up...harddrive > light on constantly, even with the -X66 or -X68. I have a WD 20.5 ata/66 7200 rpm > drive. I wonder what's up with the dma stuff. > > -Brian Hi. Why are hard drive optimizations on per default??? I have to add "nohdparm" to the command-line. On my WDC 18G drive, it hangs. I'm having serious problems with DMA enabled on this drive anyway (VP3 chipset). So I turned off "Use DMA by default" in the kernel. Still, hard drive optimizations apparently can't be enabled on WDC dricves. I've seen this problem reported many times and I'm experiencing serious problems myself. -- Sincerely, David Walluck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive
Jon ...know of any other tweaks like that? >From: "Jonathan Prigot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive >Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 15:30:14 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [216.71.84.35] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBB054EBF0018D82197E1D84754237A860; Mon Jun 05 12:47:12 2000 >Received: (from sympa@localhost)by mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com >(8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA06209for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 >14:10:01 -0500 >Received: from rics.bwh.harvard.edu (rics.bwh.harvard.edu [134.174.18.75]) > by mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01042 >for<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:54:31 -0500 >Received: from labmouse.dpm.bwh.harvard.edu ([170.223.6.142]) by >rics.bwh.harvard.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with SMTP id 312 for > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 15:26:52 -0400 >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jun 05 12:51:45 2000 >Organization: Brigham and Women's Hospital >X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] >References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >X-Sequence: 348 >Precedence: list >X-Validation-BY: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >What happens if you don't do the -d1? I can do -c1 just fine (and it speeds >things up 50%), but if I do -d1 my system locks solid. >--- >On Mon, 05 Jun 2000, you wrote: > > I am trying to change the 16 bit i/o seetings for my hard drive to 32 >bit to > > drive to speed up access with the following command: > > > > hdparm -c 1 -d 1 /dev/hde (I have ata/66 drives working on hde/hdg) > > > > I wait a good 5 minutes and nothing ...just hangs, but I can close the > > x-terminal. > > > > Any ideas here/ > > > > BTW, I got this tweak tip from: > > > > http://www.linuxnewbie.org/nhf/intel/hardware/hdtweak.html > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com >-- >Jonathan M. Prigot (617-278-0794) >Brigham and Women's Hospital >900 Commonwealth Avenue, East >Boston, MA 02215-1213 > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive
Jon ...works fine without the -d 1 option. Thanks. >From: "Jonathan Prigot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive >Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 15:30:14 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [216.71.84.35] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBB054EBF0018D82197E1D84754237A860; Mon Jun 05 12:47:12 2000 >Received: (from sympa@localhost)by mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com >(8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA06209for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 >14:10:01 -0500 >Received: from rics.bwh.harvard.edu (rics.bwh.harvard.edu [134.174.18.75]) > by mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01042 >for<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:54:31 -0500 >Received: from labmouse.dpm.bwh.harvard.edu ([170.223.6.142]) by >rics.bwh.harvard.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with SMTP id 312 for > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 15:26:52 -0400 >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jun 05 12:51:45 2000 >Organization: Brigham and Women's Hospital >X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] >References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >X-Loop: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >X-Sequence: 348 >Precedence: list >X-Validation-BY: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >What happens if you don't do the -d1? I can do -c1 just fine (and it speeds >things up 50%), but if I do -d1 my system locks solid. >--- >On Mon, 05 Jun 2000, you wrote: > > I am trying to change the 16 bit i/o seetings for my hard drive to 32 >bit to > > drive to speed up access with the following command: > > > > hdparm -c 1 -d 1 /dev/hde (I have ata/66 drives working on hde/hdg) > > > > I wait a good 5 minutes and nothing ...just hangs, but I can close the > > x-terminal. > > > > Any ideas here/ > > > > BTW, I got this tweak tip from: > > > > http://www.linuxnewbie.org/nhf/intel/hardware/hdtweak.html > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com >-- >Jonathan M. Prigot (617-278-0794) >Brigham and Women's Hospital >900 Commonwealth Avenue, East >Boston, MA 02215-1213 > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive
I do can do a -c1 just fine also. If I do a -d1 (dma)...locks up...harddrive light on constantly, even with the -X66 or -X68. I have a WD 20.5 ata/66 7200 rpm drive. I wonder what's up with the dma stuff. -Brian Jonathan Prigot wrote: > What happens if you don't do the -d1? I can do -c1 just fine (and it speeds > things up 50%), but if I do -d1 my system locks solid. > --- > On Mon, 05 Jun 2000, you wrote: > > I am trying to change the 16 bit i/o seetings for my hard drive to 32 bit to > > drive to speed up access with the following command: > > > > hdparm -c 1 -d 1 /dev/hde (I have ata/66 drives working on hde/hdg) > > > > I wait a good 5 minutes and nothing ...just hangs, but I can close the > > x-terminal. > > > > Any ideas here/ > > > > BTW, I got this tweak tip from: > > > > http://www.linuxnewbie.org/nhf/intel/hardware/hdtweak.html > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > -- > Jonathan M. Prigot (617-278-0794) > Brigham and Women's Hospital > 900 Commonwealth Avenue, East > Boston, MA 02215-1213 -- Brian Fleischman Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive
What happens if you don't do the -d1? I can do -c1 just fine (and it speeds things up 50%), but if I do -d1 my system locks solid. --- On Mon, 05 Jun 2000, you wrote: > I am trying to change the 16 bit i/o seetings for my hard drive to 32 bit to > drive to speed up access with the following command: > > hdparm -c 1 -d 1 /dev/hde (I have ata/66 drives working on hde/hdg) > > I wait a good 5 minutes and nothing ...just hangs, but I can close the > x-terminal. > > Any ideas here/ > > BTW, I got this tweak tip from: > > http://www.linuxnewbie.org/nhf/intel/hardware/hdtweak.html > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- Jonathan M. Prigot (617-278-0794) Brigham and Women's Hospital 900 Commonwealth Avenue, East Boston, MA 02215-1213
[Cooker] 32 bit i/o for hard drive
I am trying to change the 16 bit i/o seetings for my hard drive to 32 bit to drive to speed up access with the following command: hdparm -c 1 -d 1 /dev/hde (I have ata/66 drives working on hde/hdg) I wait a good 5 minutes and nothing ...just hangs, but I can close the x-terminal. Any ideas here/ BTW, I got this tweak tip from: http://www.linuxnewbie.org/nhf/intel/hardware/hdtweak.html Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
