Re: [Cooker] Re: War
On Sun 16 Mar 2003 10:34, Andi Payn posted as excerpted below: > > No. It's a risk to national security. > > > > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,5264,00.asp > > From the article, Microsoft plans to withhold one protocol and a few APIs > > because of security issues, and: > > The protocol, which is part of Message Queuing, contains a coding mistake > > that would threaten the security of enterprise systems using it if it > > were disclosed, Allchin said. > > This was almost a year ago; more than enough time for some cracker to > reverse engineer the protocol, discover the vulnerability, write an exploit > kit, and distribute it to millions of codezkidz. So either the exploit > wasn't easily usable, or, in this case, obscurity bought Microsoft just > enough time to get a fix out before the vulnerability was found. Either > way, they got away with it this time; I don't think this proves that using > Windows is unpatriotic. Actually, from the lists and newsgroups I'm on, that was refering to the Windows send-message API. It's broken because any app can send a message, including shutdown, system-shutdown, etc. (thus, similar to *ix signals, but there's far more of them, controlling everything from window sizing and repositioning, to text input events, to system shutdown notifications), and the target program can't tell whether it was the system that sent the message or an unauthorized program. This gets pretty hairy when it could be keyboard events coming in, and there's no way to tell whether they're simulated by some cracked program, or authentic. The target pretty much has to choose between ignoring everything, and obeying what may not be valid instructions, from any old unauthorized program. In addition, there's a lot of flexibility in these messages, such that they hold the opportunity for unchecked buffers. The messaging subsystem itself is supposedly safe, but that doesn't mean all the programs that use it have been coded with proper buffer checking as well.. Furthermore.. and this is the worst of it, I believe, from what I've read, the messaging system is user/privilage agnostic -- ANY OLD USER PROGRAM CAN SEND A MESSAGE TO ANY OTHER PROGRAM ON THE SYSTEM, THUS, THIS IS A SERIOUS PRIVILEGE ESCALATION VULNERABILITY!! The problem is that this is SO much part of the system, they can't fix the problem without breaking virtually EVERYTHING! Now,with a new release, it's possible they could do the old 16-bit compatibility trick, and run all legacy apps in a VM, but there's simply no way to fix this for existing deployed systems and apps. This is why they were talking about withholding this info. There's no way to patch it, without breaking everything currently deployed. However, as mentioned, someone took the hints that were there, and ran with them, figuring out what the problem was and publishing it far and wide. Again, because this is such a basic part of the system, it needs no example exploit code. Any Visual C and many Visual Basic, even VBA scripting, programmers, know how to do this, and have been using it legitimately day in and day out, for years. It's just that it's so much a part of the system, nobody ever thougth about using it in BAD ways, or at least didn't make those thoughts public, until the MS remarks that triggered a reexamination of that area with this sort of thing in mind. MS hasn't put out a patch, CAN'T put out a patch, because it'd break every app out there! THAT'S why they wanted to keep it under wraps! -- Duncan "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin
Re: [Cooker] Re: War
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Per ?yvind Karlsen wrote on Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 12:53:14AM +0100 : > > oh, what a big loss.. your grammar is even worse than your > intelligence.. Easy guys, he's already gone. Blue skies... Todd - -- Never take no as an answer from someone who's not authorized to say yes. --Ben Reser on Cooker ML Mandrake Cooker Devel Version, Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+dgZmlp7v05cW2woRAvfJAKCtGfg/1se9uM+LQJO2aRPhIWYwQQCfU5qC LDZJrtCKVe87xRiCj35xb9U= =vF6r -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Re: War (let's end this discussion)
> Also, those Europeans who also use such harsh and derogatory remarks about > people in the U.S. might also consider that most Americans are, like me, > upset about going to war, and would like to see a viable option, if that > would be possible. > > > Bob Finch I totally second that. America is a very big country, and people are very different from one coast to the other one. Moreover, "Americans" are not Bush administration, like "French" are not Chirac and its government. Government choose what is the best for their country interests, and the rest, the speech we see on TV are very often far away from geopolitics, or strategy. I don't know what are the interests of Chirac to risk a crisis with US for Iraq petrol (since there was no option than war since the beginning) but I guess there are not only ethical reasons. And in the same way, Blair and Bush make me laugh when they say they want to remove a criminal, who killed millions of people. Where were they in 88 when Hussein used his nerve gas, he bought to occidentals, on Kurds in 88 ? Actually these same politicians said that he was a good guy from 88 to 91, preventing the islamic revolution to spread away in the region... That this war will remove a tyran, I agree with it. That this war is in the interest of Iraqis, I doubt it. That it will decrease terrorist risks, I disagree. That there are no petrol interests (both side, Europe and US), let me laugh ! I am against this war because a lot of innocent people will die again, and survivors who will have their third war in 20 years will be potentially ready to becaome the next Bin Laden. So my American friends are still my friends. Most of them, who are from west coast think Bush is a dumbass who succeeded to be elected by a coup, removing black people from Florida electoral lists (read the book by Michael Moore, "Stupid White Men"). And if one of my American friend should consider me as an enemy now, I would not think he his still a "friend" (however, he has the right to disagree with me). Just 2c of euros thoughts. Eric
Re: [Cooker] Re: War (let's end this discussion)
On Sunday 16 March 2003 09:46 pm, Jay DeKing wrote: > On Saturday 15 March 2003 09:36 pm, Leon Brooks honored me with this > > communique: > > On Friday 14 March 2003 03:56 am, Francisco Alcaraz Ariza wrote: > > > 1) I don't think that American people that would buy Mandrake won't buy > > > it now, because all the American not Windows user were antipatriotic > > > before. If you are a good American, you must use windows, musn't you? > > > > No. It's a risk to national security. > > > > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,5264,00.asp > > > > Straight from the horse's mouth. > > > > And now they are sharing it with China and Russia. D'oh? > > > > Just wondering how many Chinese and Russians are here who wet themselves > > laughing at the thought of this chuztpah. (-: > > > > Cheers; Leon > > I agree with Leon (especially about Windows being a security risk), plus > there are other factors: > > 1) Jingoism (the prevailing mentality, unfortunately) is not synonymous > with patriotism; > > 2) True American patriots understand the contributions the French have made > to our history, especially the important part they played in our fight for > independence, and > > 3) The freedom of speech and opinion that we Americans supposedly value is > worthless if we do not extend the same right to other nations. > > As an American patriot and history aficionado, I deplore the barbaric > attitudes displayed by some of my countrymen in the face of understandable > international disagreement. They clearly have little regard for history and > the basic tenets of our own society and government. Up to this point, I would have agreed to agree with you. I am still in a decision mode, and think that there may be a good reason to go to war with barbaric sadists like Saddam. On the other hand maybe there are good reasons not to. It is not at all clear to me at this time. What I am finding disturbing is what I am beginning to sense is a 'polarization' of thought from both sides of this 'turmoil'. Certainly nothing can get resolved or decided as a group without clear dialog. This can't happen with this polarization. This saddens me. i.e. -> While it might be your true belief that it is a "...barbaric attitude...", it will win you no converts to label people with harsh words. IF you had merely left this out, then you would have gone a long way to convincing me that we should, as Americans, be willing to re-examine our actions to date. Also, those Europeans who also use such harsh and derogatory remarks about people in the U.S. might also consider that most Americans are, like me, upset about going to war, and would like to see a viable option, if that would be possible. Bob Finch > > However, this discussion has no place on this list. > > Jay De King > Tallahassee, FL > (Descendant of American Revolutionary War veterans - thank you France)
Re: [Cooker] Re: War
On Sun, 2003-03-16 at 14:05, mike wrote: > Hey how do i get off the cooker list. I am not going to be part of a bunch > of little kids using the cooker to talk about something they know nothing > aboutSomeone needs to fly a couple of jets into your living room > and see how many people will help & stand by you from america. > Beleave me it will probly be a lot.So please take me off this list of no > talant BUT HEADS PLEASE and i am not ever going to ever buy or promote as i > have been MANDRAKE LINUX .///NO MORE/Later dipshits Where were you in 1990? Me ... I was eating sand. > - Original Message - > From: "James Sparenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Cooker List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 3:44 AM > Subject: Re: [Cooker] Re: War > > > > On Sat, 2003-03-15 at 18:36, Leon Brooks wrote: > > > On Friday 14 March 2003 03:56 am, Francisco Alcaraz Ariza wrote: > > > > 1) I don't think that American people that would buy Mandrake won't > buy it > > > > now, because all the American not Windows user were antipatriotic > before. > > > > If you are a good American, you must use windows, musn't you? > > > > > > No. It's a risk to national security. > > > > > > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,5264,00.asp > > > > > > Straight from the horse's mouth. > > > > > > And now they are sharing it with China and Russia. D'oh? > > > > > > Just wondering how many Chinese and Russians are here who wet themselves > > > laughing at the thought of this chuztpah. (-: > > > > > > Cheers; Leon > > > > Dang first they export the jobs and now they are exporting the cracking > > opportunities. Life sucks...*grin* > > > > James > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: [Cooker] Re: War (let's end this discussion)
On Saturday 15 March 2003 09:36 pm, Leon Brooks honored me with this communique: > On Friday 14 March 2003 03:56 am, Francisco Alcaraz Ariza wrote: > > 1) I don't think that American people that would buy Mandrake won't buy > > it now, because all the American not Windows user were antipatriotic > > before. If you are a good American, you must use windows, musn't you? > > No. It's a risk to national security. > > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,5264,00.asp > > Straight from the horse's mouth. > > And now they are sharing it with China and Russia. D'oh? > > Just wondering how many Chinese and Russians are here who wet themselves > laughing at the thought of this chuztpah. (-: > > Cheers; Leon I agree with Leon (especially about Windows being a security risk), plus there are other factors: 1) Jingoism (the prevailing mentality, unfortunately) is not synonymous with patriotism; 2) True American patriots understand the contributions the French have made to our history, especially the important part they played in our fight for independence, and 3) The freedom of speech and opinion that we Americans supposedly value is worthless if we do not extend the same right to other nations. As an American patriot and history aficionado, I deplore the barbaric attitudes displayed by some of my countrymen in the face of understandable international disagreement. They clearly have little regard for history and the basic tenets of our own society and government. However, this discussion has no place on this list. Jay De King Tallahassee, FL (Descendant of American Revolutionary War veterans - thank you France) -- When we are planning for posterity, we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary. -- Thomas Paine
Re: [Cooker] Re: War
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 oh, what a big loss.. your grammar is even worse than your intelligence.. On Sunday 16 March 2003 23:05, mike wrote: > Hey how do i get off the cooker list. I am not going to be part of a bunch > of little kids using the cooker to talk about something they know nothing > aboutSomeone needs to fly a couple of jets into your living > room and see how many people will help & stand by you from america. > Beleave me it will probly be a lot.So please take me off this list of no > talant BUT HEADS PLEASE and i am not ever going to ever buy or promote as i > have been MANDRAKE LINUX .///NO MORE/Later dipshits > - Original Message - > From: "James Sparenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Cooker List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 3:44 AM > Subject: Re: [Cooker] Re: War > > > On Sat, 2003-03-15 at 18:36, Leon Brooks wrote: > > > On Friday 14 March 2003 03:56 am, Francisco Alcaraz Ariza wrote: > > > > 1) I don't think that American people that would buy Mandrake won't > > buy it > > > > > now, because all the American not Windows user were antipatriotic > > before. > > > > > If you are a good American, you must use windows, musn't you? > > > > > > No. It's a risk to national security. > > > > > > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,5264,00.asp > > > > > > Straight from the horse's mouth. > > > > > > And now they are sharing it with China and Russia. D'oh? > > > > > > Just wondering how many Chinese and Russians are here who wet > > > themselves laughing at the thought of this chuztpah. (-: > > > > > > Cheers; Leon > > > > Dang first they export the jobs and now they are exporting the cracking > > opportunities. Life sucks...*grin* > > > > James - -- Regards, Per Øyvind Karlsen Sintrax Solutions http://www.sintrax.net - +47 41681061 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+dQ5sv8F7V9JOSuURAm7JAKCp+Vi0V3tbWTO3blq/trcPk3LUOwCdEyBr 95+2H6wG+K7bJozgV4H1KHo= =x+bd -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Cooker] Re: War
On Sunday 16 March 2003 05:05 pm, mike wrote: > Hey how do i get off the cooker list. Check the mail headers for instructions -- Greg
Re: [Cooker] Re: War
Hey how do i get off the cooker list. I am not going to be part of a bunch of little kids using the cooker to talk about something they know nothing aboutSomeone needs to fly a couple of jets into your living room and see how many people will help & stand by you from america. Beleave me it will probly be a lot.So please take me off this list of no talant BUT HEADS PLEASE and i am not ever going to ever buy or promote as i have been MANDRAKE LINUX .///NO MORE/Later dipshits - Original Message - From: "James Sparenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Cooker List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 3:44 AM Subject: Re: [Cooker] Re: War > On Sat, 2003-03-15 at 18:36, Leon Brooks wrote: > > On Friday 14 March 2003 03:56 am, Francisco Alcaraz Ariza wrote: > > > 1) I don't think that American people that would buy Mandrake won't buy it > > > now, because all the American not Windows user were antipatriotic before. > > > If you are a good American, you must use windows, musn't you? > > > > No. It's a risk to national security. > > > > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,5264,00.asp > > > > Straight from the horse's mouth. > > > > And now they are sharing it with China and Russia. D'oh? > > > > Just wondering how many Chinese and Russians are here who wet themselves > > laughing at the thought of this chuztpah. (-: > > > > Cheers; Leon > > Dang first they export the jobs and now they are exporting the cracking > opportunities. Life sucks...*grin* > > James > > > > > > > >
Re: [Cooker] Re: War
On Saturday 15 March 2003 18:36, Leon Brooks wrote: > On Friday 14 March 2003 03:56 am, Francisco Alcaraz Ariza wrote: > > 1) I don't think that American people that would buy Mandrake won't buy > > it now, because all the American not Windows user were antipatriotic > > before. If you are a good American, you must use windows, musn't you? This was basically my point, but I've been thinking about it. Many idiots of that type _do_ buy linux. In fact, I've been in the position of advocating linux to corporate management, and I don't know how I forgot this So, Jean-Michel Dault's original posting is relevant; people in the position of trying to sell Mandrake to management need to find answers to, "Let's go with Redhat, because it's made in the good ol' US of A." On another subject: > No. It's a risk to national security. > > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,5264,00.asp >From the article, Microsoft plans to withhold one protocol and a few APIs because of security issues, and: > The protocol, which is part of Message Queuing, contains a coding mistake > that would threaten the security of enterprise systems using it if it were > disclosed, Allchin said. This was almost a year ago; more than enough time for some cracker to reverse engineer the protocol, discover the vulnerability, write an exploit kit, and distribute it to millions of codezkidz. So either the exploit wasn't easily usable, or, in this case, obscurity bought Microsoft just enough time to get a fix out before the vulnerability was found. Either way, they got away with it this time; I don't think this proves that using Windows is unpatriotic. Also, pushing the argument that the US government shouldn't be using any OS that could have security issues would be a bad idea for linux. IIRC, the government commissioned a thorough security audit of OpenBSD, and a large share of the funding for OpenBSD's security R&D comes from DARPA, USAF, and NSA--so if they're going to go with a different OS because of security issues, it's not going to be Mandrake.
Re: [Cooker] Re: War
On Sat, 2003-03-15 at 18:36, Leon Brooks wrote: > On Friday 14 March 2003 03:56 am, Francisco Alcaraz Ariza wrote: > > 1) I don't think that American people that would buy Mandrake won't buy it > > now, because all the American not Windows user were antipatriotic before. > > If you are a good American, you must use windows, musn't you? > > No. It's a risk to national security. > > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,5264,00.asp > > Straight from the horse's mouth. > > And now they are sharing it with China and Russia. D'oh? > > Just wondering how many Chinese and Russians are here who wet themselves > laughing at the thought of this chuztpah. (-: > > Cheers; Leon Dang first they export the jobs and now they are exporting the cracking opportunities. Life sucks...*grin* James > >
Re: [Cooker] Re: War
On Friday 14 March 2003 03:56 am, Francisco Alcaraz Ariza wrote: > 1) I don't think that American people that would buy Mandrake won't buy it > now, because all the American not Windows user were antipatriotic before. > If you are a good American, you must use windows, musn't you? No. It's a risk to national security. http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,5264,00.asp Straight from the horse's mouth. And now they are sharing it with China and Russia. D'oh? Just wondering how many Chinese and Russians are here who wet themselves laughing at the thought of this chuztpah. (-: Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Re: War (Warning: Even more OT)
On 13 Mar 2003, James Sparenberg wrote: > On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 15:03, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 19:56, Francisco Alcaraz Ariza wrote: [snip] > > If you're going to expect the Bushes to know about Spanish and Russian > > politics, maybe you should learn to spell George Bush? Fair's fair. :) (At least he knows who he is talking about. Nothing "Fair is fair." Do make a fair COMPARISON.) > if it's daddy it's George Bush > > If it's the son it's GeeDubya or Das shrubenmeister Thank you so much!! Now I finally know why he's called Dubya i.e. Dubble U i.e. W. in The Daily Dirt :-) Guy
Re: [Cooker] Re: War
it was Jaime Carter who was the goober nator of Georgia. Jorje Boozo was the goofernor of Texas. He was elected president of Texas by majority vote of the people of Florida, or would have been but they lost count of who they were voting for. - Original Message - From: "Adam Williamson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [Cooker] Re: War > On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 19:56, Francisco Alcaraz Ariza wrote: > > Of course, Guy!, > > > > Certenly the brother of Jorge Bus, gobernator of Florida, said when came to > > Spain two weeks ago that he was very glad to visit "the Spanish > > Republic...". This must be a genetic problem of the Bus family, how > > doesn't remember that G. Bus didn't know the name of the President of Russia > > in a interview during the electoral campaign? > > If you're going to expect the Bushes to know about Spanish and Russian > politics, maybe you should learn to spell George Bush? Fair's fair. :) > -- > adamw > > >
Re: [Cooker] Re: War
Really booring El Viernes, 14 de Marzo de 2003 00:52, Richard Tango-Lowy escribió: > On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 18:40, James Sparenberg wrote: > > On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 15:03, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 19:56, Francisco Alcaraz Ariza wrote: > > > > Of course, Guy!, > > > > > > > > Certenly the brother of Jorge Bus, gobernator of Florida, said when > > > > came to Spain two weeks ago that he was very glad to visit "the > > > > Spanish Republic...". This must be a genetic problem of the Bus > > > > family, how doesn't remember that G. Bus didn't know the name of the > > > > President of Russia in a interview during the electoral campaign? > > > > > > If you're going to expect the Bushes to know about Spanish and Russian > > > politics, maybe you should learn to spell George Bush? Fair's fair. :) > > > > if it's daddy it's George Bush > > > > If it's the son it's GeeDubya or Das shrubenmeister > > Or "The Bushbaby." -- Francisco Alcaraz Ariza Departamento de Biología Vegetal Universidad de Murcia E-30100 Murcia España (Spain)
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On Thursday 13 March 2003 15:40, James Sparenberg wrote: > if it's daddy it's George Bush > > If it's the son it's GeeDubya or Das shrubenmeister Or, if you're from Iraq, they depict him as a Ferengi (from Star Trek) named "Dub." (And I never realized DS9 was so popular in Iraq until I saw their editorial cartoons) And now, to celebrate the Scottish figurehead government's decision to go along with Germany and France in opposing the war, I will go to McDonald's, and get myself a Hamburger and French fries.
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On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 18:40, James Sparenberg wrote: > On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 15:03, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 19:56, Francisco Alcaraz Ariza wrote: > > > Of course, Guy!, > > > > > > Certenly the brother of Jorge Bus, gobernator of Florida, said when came to > > > Spain two weeks ago that he was very glad to visit "the Spanish > > > Republic...". This must be a genetic problem of the Bus family, how > > > doesn't remember that G. Bus didn't know the name of the President of Russia > > > in a interview during the electoral campaign? > > > > If you're going to expect the Bushes to know about Spanish and Russian > > politics, maybe you should learn to spell George Bush? Fair's fair. :) > > if it's daddy it's George Bush > > If it's the son it's GeeDubya or Das shrubenmeister Or "The Bushbaby." -- ars Cognita The Art of Knowledge - Richard Tango-Lowy [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.arscognita.com
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On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 15:03, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 19:56, Francisco Alcaraz Ariza wrote: > > Of course, Guy!, > > > > Certenly the brother of Jorge Bus, gobernator of Florida, said when came to > > Spain two weeks ago that he was very glad to visit "the Spanish > > Republic...". This must be a genetic problem of the Bus family, how > > doesn't remember that G. Bus didn't know the name of the President of Russia > > in a interview during the electoral campaign? > > If you're going to expect the Bushes to know about Spanish and Russian > politics, maybe you should learn to spell George Bush? Fair's fair. :) if it's daddy it's George Bush If it's the son it's GeeDubya or Das shrubenmeister
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On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 19:56, Francisco Alcaraz Ariza wrote: > Of course, Guy!, > > Certenly the brother of Jorge Bus, gobernator of Florida, said when came to > Spain two weeks ago that he was very glad to visit "the Spanish > Republic...". This must be a genetic problem of the Bus family, how > doesn't remember that G. Bus didn't know the name of the President of Russia > in a interview during the electoral campaign? If you're going to expect the Bushes to know about Spanish and Russian politics, maybe you should learn to spell George Bush? Fair's fair. :) -- adamw
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Of course, Guy!, Certenly the brother of Jorge Bus, gobernator of Florida, said when came to Spain two weeks ago that he was very glad to visit "the Spanish Republic...". This must be a genetic problem of the Bus family, how doesn't remember that G. Bus didn't know the name of the President of Russia in a interview during the electoral campaign? Well, the fact is that in Spanish we say "Presidente del Gobierno" or just "Presidente", so I did a direct translation to English. Probably Minister-President is most accurate in English. Anyway, I would like to say two thing: 1) I don't think that American people that would buy Mandrake won't buy it now, because all the American not Windows user were antipatriotic before. If you are a good American, you must use windows, musn't you? 2) In any case, I hate the war. My father was a soldier in the second Spanish Republic. I had to take an English boat to survive in Algeria. 9 years separated from my mother. I had to fight in the Second World War agains Dutchland in the desert of Algeria. After that we have to leave Algeria because the Independece War of that country. We weren't so happy during our two years in France (we were Spanish in fact). And after that, again in Spain, we weren't so happy because the authorities didn't like a Republican and his family. But we were lucky, in other wars there are lot of people dead and that need to leave of their home and country. Definitively NOT TO THE WAR. > Since when has Spain become a republic again??? :-) > (You mean Minister-President??) > > Guy -- Francisco Alcaraz Ariza Departamento de Biología Vegetal Universidad de Murcia E-30100 Murcia España (Spain)
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Am Donnerstag, 13. März 2003, 07:50:29 Uhr MET, schrieb Jason Komar: > On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 05:26, Jason Straight wrote: > > Yeah, I bet the same people who stopped buying French products and renamed > > them didn't stop buying gasoline or oil yet. > Actually, I got a spam email from someone listing the fuel companies > that used middle-east sources for oil and the ones that bought their oil > locally or from Canada. They were pushing for people not to buy from the > middle-east supplied oil companies, but rather to buy from the ones who > were supplied by US or Canadian oil. That's interesting. But I guess they will overthing that proposal once they have to pay german gas prices (ca. 1.14 EUR/l, mainly caused by taxes). -- Götz Waschk <> master of computer science <> University of Rostock http://wwwtec.informatik.uni-rostock.de/~waschk/waschk.asc for PGP key --> Logout Fascism! <--
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On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 05:26, Jason Straight wrote: > Yeah, I bet the same people who stopped buying French products and renamed > them didn't stop buying gasoline or oil yet. Actually, I got a spam email from someone listing the fuel companies that used middle-east sources for oil and the ones that bought their oil locally or from Canada. They were pushing for people not to buy from the middle-east supplied oil companies, but rather to buy from the ones who were supplied by US or Canadian oil. -- Jason Komar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lubetec
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On Wednesday 12 March 2003 04:44 pm, eddie wrote: > Cláudio Roger wrote: > > ROLF ROLF ROLF ROLF ROLF ROLF ROLF ROLF ROLF > > > > Buchan Milne wrote: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > >> Hash: SHA1 > >> > >> Chmouel Boudjnah wrote: > >>> we did get mails from some morons who said that they don't want to buy > >>> us because we are French and don't support the war. > >>> Hail we are like this we like to eat Camembert, drink Wine and make > >>> love :-p > >> > >> And are they going to start boycotting British products now too? > >> > >> Really, mixing politics and business is not a good idea ... > >> > >> Buchan Yeah, I bet the same people who stopped buying French products and renamed them didn't stop buying gasoline or oil yet. -- Jason Straight [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq: 1796276 pgp: http://www.JeetKuneDoMaster.net/~jason/pubkey.asc
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> On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 05:54, Pascal Terjan wrote: > > Buchan Milne wrote: > > > And are they going to start boycotting British products now too? > > > > > > Really, mixing politics and business is not a good idea ... > > > > When I read things like the following URL, I can't see what they expect > > from us (except making us laugh). > > > > http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/news/0311french.html > > I heard that thing about the freedom fries and liberty fries on the > radio up here in Canada and just shook my head. One of the restaurant > owners who changed the name of the fries made a stupid crack that they > could take back the statue of liberty too. I just shake my head. How unorigional. When France was doing it's nuclear tests in the Pacfic in the late 90's a large number of New Zealand restaurant's and fast food joint's renamed French fries Kiwi fries in protest. Fairly pointless but funny. Chad
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On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Francisco Alcaraz Ariza wrote: > Don't you think they are absolutely crazzy?. > > Well, actually I am sure that there are lots of Americans that don't think in > this way. Here in Spain more than 90% of the people don't wont the war, but > for our president this doesn't matter :-(; I hope in the next elecctions we > will give him very, very longs holidays. Since when has Spain become a republic again??? :-) (You mean Minister-President??) Guy
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On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 15:34, HoytDuff wrote: > On Wednesday 12 March 2003 10:24, Levi Ramsey wrote: > > "french" has a (deserved) history of meaning "fancy" in > > the annals of American marketing. > > Like French kissing? What do they French call that? Not English kissing, I > hope. They might call it magnifique! *grin*
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On Wed Mar 12 18:34 -0500, HoytDuff wrote: > On Wednesday 12 March 2003 10:24, Levi Ramsey wrote: > > "french" has a (deserved) history of meaning "fancy" in > > the annals of American marketing. > > Like French kissing? What do they French call that? Not English kissing, I > hope. I have read that that is exactly the case... -- Levi Ramsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The food of love is Mandrake root. GPG Fingerprint: 354C 7A02 77C5 9EE7 8538 4E8D DCD9 B4B0 DC35 67CD Currently playing: The Doors - The End Linux 2.4.21-0.13mdk 20:40:00 up 6:46, 9 users, load average: 0.81, 0.31, 0.19
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On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 08:33, Levi Ramsey wrote: > On Wed Mar 12 14:12 +0100, Götz Waschk wrote: > > I'm sure this is a parody. They can't rename french fries to liberty > > fries, that's so much over the top. > > It actually is the case... already a few restaurants (in backwaters like > rural North Carolina and so forth) have taken this step. Hey, RedHat is in NC. This smells like a conspiracy! Seth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 15:34, HoytDuff wrote: > On Wednesday 12 March 2003 10:24, Levi Ramsey wrote: > > "french" has a (deserved) history of meaning "fancy" in > > the annals of American marketing. > > Like French kissing? What do they French call that? Not English kissing, I > hope. NO NO NO If to be a patriot I have to give this one or any other related item up .. well tell the shrub to bend over... James
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On Wednesday 12 March 2003 06:34 pm, HoytDuff wrote: > On Wednesday 12 March 2003 10:24, Levi Ramsey wrote: > > "french" has a (deserved) history of meaning "fancy" in > > the annals of American marketing. > > Like French kissing? What do they French call that? Not English kissing, I > hope. and "swiss cheese" how many Americans you know are aware there is no "Swiss cheese" in Switzerland. they have emmentaler, but no swiss.
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On Wednesday 12 March 2003 10:24, Levi Ramsey wrote: > "french" has a (deserved) history of meaning "fancy" in > the annals of American marketing. Like French kissing? What do they French call that? Not English kissing, I hope. -- Hoyt http://www.maximumhoyt.com/ Run with scissors. Remove mattress tags. Top post. Be a rebel.
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On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 22:40, Guillaume Rousse wrote: > Le Mercredi 12 Mars 2003 18:27, Guillaume Cottenceau a écrit : > > Same for what we call "english cream" in France: it's called > > "french cream" in England :). > as "capotes anglaises" and "french letters" for condoms ? And "cor anglais" / "french horn". Hey, this is fun :) -- adamw
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Le Mercredi 12 Mars 2003 18:27, Guillaume Cottenceau a écrit : > Same for what we call "english cream" in France: it's called > "french cream" in England :). as "capotes anglaises" and "french letters" for condoms ? -- All components become obsolete. -- Murphy's Computer Laws n°8
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N Smethurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Le Mercredi 12 Mars 2003 18:27, Guillaume Cottenceau a écrit : > > Same for what we call "english cream" in France: it's called > > "french cream" in England :). > > It's called "custard" in England! I knew that english were traitors :/.. -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
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Cláudio Roger wrote: ROLF ROLF ROLF ROLF ROLF ROLF ROLF ROLF ROLF Buchan Milne wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chmouel Boudjnah wrote: we did get mails from some morons who said that they don't want to buy us because we are French and don't support the war. Hail we are like this we like to eat Camembert, drink Wine and make love :-p And are they going to start boycotting British products now too? Really, mixing politics and business is not a good idea ... Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE+by0brJK6UGDSBKcRAhkeAJ9cQWuycs8i6dUW5Ko9w9bL0Wu2SACgs0dt Je0UYnCufA4lR8GQwkQEfjk= =0EOw -END PGP SIGNATURE- I am here in America and I agree with the French position and am terribly embarassed by my govt and our so-called leaders. Eddie Mihalow Jr Silver Club Member and Mandrake Lover! .
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Le Mercredi 12 Mars 2003 18:27, Guillaume Cottenceau a écrit : > Same for what we call "english cream" in France: it's called > "french cream" in England :). It's called "custard" in England!
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This is the evolution of the humanity; long time talking about the end of the wars in the 21th Century and suddently if you say "I don't like the war" (in Spanish "NO A LA GUERRA" you are a bad man :-( I can't understand, can anyone explain this to my? El Miércoles, 12 de Marzo de 2003 17:59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: > On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 08:42:35 -0800 (PST), Götz Waschk wrote: > > Am Mittwoch, 12. März 2003, 13:54:07 Uhr MET, schrieb Pascal Terjan: > > > When I read things like the following URL, I can't see what they expect > > > from us (except making us laugh). > > > > href="/http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/news/0311french.html";>http://ww >w.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/news/0311french.html > > > I'm sure this is a parody. They can't rename french fries to liberty > > fries, that's so much over the top. > > > > -- > >Götz Waschk <> master of computer science <> University of Rostock > > Unfortunately, this is not a parody, it was on the national news. Freedom > of speech is important issue in the USA, but some people really have a hard > time with some kinds of disagreements, especially from outside. > > We have a group in congress trying to block, in court, the power they gave > the President to start this war several months ago. At the same time > another group in congress are re-naming french fries in the cafeteria to > protest the French opposition to the war in the UN. This is how things > work. > > It puzzles and frustrates us at times also. -- Francisco Alcaraz Ariza Departamento de Biología Vegetal Universidad de Murcia E-30100 Murcia España (Spain)
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On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 08:33, Guillaume Rousse wrote: > Ainsi parlait Götz Waschk : > > Am Mittwoch, 12. März 2003, 13:54:07 Uhr MET, schrieb Pascal Terjan: > > > When I read things like the following URL, I can't see what they expect > > > from us (except making us laugh). > > > http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/news/0311french.html > > > > I'm sure this is a parody. They can't rename french fries to liberty > > fries, that's so much over the top. > You are largely underestimating human stupidity (whatever country) IMHO... Has anyone considered that that anyone stupid enough to boycott Mandrake because it's "French" probably isn't intelligent enough to know that in order to install it, it needs to remove it's sodee from the cup holder? The only problem with politicians is that they don't sell hunting licenses for them. James
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On Wednesday 12 March 2003 09:24 am, Sascha Noyes wrote: > You all have obviously not heard the news about french fries. In an > unbelievabla act of NewSpeak (read 1984!) some US politicians officially > renamed french fries to "freedom fries". And remember, if you don't call > them freedom fries you are unpatriotic and you shall be taken to Guantanamo > bay with all those other Taliban guys. > > > Noting that French fries originated in Belgium, a French Embassy > spokeswoman did not seem amused. "I wonder if it's worth a comment," the > spokeswoman, Nathalie Loiseau, said. "Honestly. We are working these days > on very, very serious issues of war and peace, life or death. We are not > working on potatoes." > > read about it here: > http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=fries&btnG=Search+News (and then click > on the NYTimes report - none of the others mention the statement from > france. and by using google news you can avoid the stupid NYTimes sign in > crap.) > > -- > Please encrypt all correspondence. > PGP key available from: > http://individual.utoronto.ca/noyes/snoyes.asc Despite what anyone thinks about this, it is very annoying to have it on this list. Please take this discussion elsewhere, it is innapropriate here. -- Greg
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Don't you think they are absolutely crazzy?. Well, actually I am sure that there are lots of Americans that don't think in this way. Here in Spain more than 90% of the people don't wont the war, but for our president this doesn't matter :-(; I hope in the next elecctions we will give him very, very longs holidays. El Miércoles, 12 de Marzo de 2003 13:54, Pascal Terjan escribió: > Buchan Milne wrote: > > And are they going to start boycotting British products now too? > > > > Really, mixing politics and business is not a good idea ... > > When I read things like the following URL, I can't see what they expect > from us (except making us laugh). > > http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/news/0311french.html -- Francisco Alcaraz Ariza Departamento de Biología Vegetal Universidad de Murcia E-30100 Murcia España (Spain)
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We all agree s/French/Liberty/g is silly. Doesn't this list get enough traffic without re-hashing the obvious and irrelevant?
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IMHO, it's harmless to rename things out of frustration. Yes, we are ignorant in a lot of our naming if things but it's history and pop culture that get to decide those things, not the learned. So, let us have a little fun. Truth be told, we could cripple France's economy if we so desired, but we don't. We are frustrated more than outraged. And it is my understanding that France is not so much Anti-American/Anti-War as they are as they are anti-hurting people. I believe after all is said and done, France will be part of the reconstruction effort... Please correct me if I'm wrong... And yes, it is bad to mix business and politics. So, despite whatever ill will I may feel toward France at this time, I still support Mandrakesoft... Cory -Original Message- From: Sascha Noyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 6:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT Re: [Cooker] Re: War -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 You all have obviously not heard the news about french fries. In an unbelievabla act of NewSpeak (read 1984!) some US politicians officially renamed french fries to "freedom fries". And remember, if you don't call them freedom fries you are unpatriotic and you shall be taken to Guantanamo bay with all those other Taliban guys. Noting that French fries originated in Belgium, a French Embassy spokeswoman did not seem amused. "I wonder if it's worth a comment," the spokeswoman, Nathalie Loiseau, said. "Honestly. We are working these days on very, very serious issues of war and peace, life or death. We are not working on potatoes." read about it here: http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=fries&btnG=Search+News (and then click on the NYTimes report - none of the others mention the statement from france. and by using google news you can avoid the stupid NYTimes sign in crap.) - -- Please encrypt all correspondence. PGP key available from: http://individual.utoronto.ca/noyes/snoyes.asc - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+b0M4gzJdfX+cTW8RApFKAJ0QWt0ZQW0RxzKXOOF0dtH7gJXDFwCfYdr4 HdaKPYGzOgvaBAkchiQxMhA= =UN8G -END PGP SIGNATURE-
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Levi Ramsey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed Mar 12 13:54 +0100, Pascal Terjan wrote: > > When I read things like the following URL, I can't see what they expect > > from us (except making us laugh). > > > > http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/news/0311french.html > > And of course neither "french" fries nor "french" toast have a thing to > do with France. In the first case, IIRC, the dish in question Same for what we call "english cream" in France: it's called "french cream" in England :). -- Guillaume Cottenceau - http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~gc/
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On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 08:42:35 -0800 (PST), Götz Waschk wrote: > > Am Mittwoch, 12. März 2003, 13:54:07 Uhr MET, schrieb Pascal Terjan: > > When I read things like the following URL, I can't see what they expect > > from us (except making us laugh). > > http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/news/0311french.html";>http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/news/0311french.html > > I'm sure this is a parody. They can't rename french fries to liberty > fries, that's so much over the top. > > -- >Götz Waschk <> master of computer science <> University of Rostock Unfortunately, this is not a parody, it was on the national news. Freedom of speech is important issue in the USA, but some people really have a hard time with some kinds of disagreements, especially from outside. We have a group in congress trying to block, in court, the power they gave the President to start this war several months ago. At the same time another group in congress are re-naming french fries in the cafeteria to protest the French opposition to the war in the UN. This is how things work. It puzzles and frustrates us at times also.
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 tarvid wrote: > On Wednesday 12 March 2003 07:54, Pascal Terjan wrote: > > With all due respect to Buchan - > > Ashcroft's deal with Microsoft mixed business with politics. > Which is exactly the problem. Politics had nothing to do with the case. The only issue was crime (abuse of a monopoly) and pubishment (fine etc). We have too many politicians and lawyers, and too few engineers and scientists. Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE+b2yarJK6UGDSBKcRAlFKAJ4sTGFXecEI3o3iLxrQWqqoki7GjACfaIKh bdpYJ2IjiHEPovuCx9sHevc= =me4S -END PGP SIGNATURE-
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 You all have obviously not heard the news about french fries. In an unbelievabla act of NewSpeak (read 1984!) some US politicians officially renamed french fries to "freedom fries". And remember, if you don't call them freedom fries you are unpatriotic and you shall be taken to Guantanamo bay with all those other Taliban guys. Noting that French fries originated in Belgium, a French Embassy spokeswoman did not seem amused. "I wonder if it's worth a comment," the spokeswoman, Nathalie Loiseau, said. "Honestly. We are working these days on very, very serious issues of war and peace, life or death. We are not working on potatoes." read about it here: http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=fries&btnG=Search+News (and then click on the NYTimes report - none of the others mention the statement from france. and by using google news you can avoid the stupid NYTimes sign in crap.) - -- Please encrypt all correspondence. PGP key available from: http://individual.utoronto.ca/noyes/snoyes.asc - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+b0M4gzJdfX+cTW8RApFKAJ0QWt0ZQW0RxzKXOOF0dtH7gJXDFwCfYdr4 HdaKPYGzOgvaBAkchiQxMhA= =UN8G -END PGP SIGNATURE-
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Ainsi parlait Götz Waschk : > Am Mittwoch, 12. März 2003, 13:54:07 Uhr MET, schrieb Pascal Terjan: > > When I read things like the following URL, I can't see what they expect > > from us (except making us laugh). > > http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/news/0311french.html > > I'm sure this is a parody. They can't rename french fries to liberty > fries, that's so much over the top. You are largely underestimating human stupidity (whatever country) IMHO... -- No matter how many resources you have, it is never enough. -- Murphy's Computer Laws n°1
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On Wed Mar 12 14:12 +0100, Götz Waschk wrote: > I'm sure this is a parody. They can't rename french fries to liberty > fries, that's so much over the top. It actually is the case... already a few restaurants (in backwaters like rural North Carolina and so forth) have taken this step. -- Levi Ramsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The food of love is Mandrake root. GPG Fingerprint: 354C 7A02 77C5 9EE7 8538 4E8D DCD9 B4B0 DC35 67CD Currently playing: George Martin - Snakes Alive Linux 2.4.21-0.13mdk 11:30:00 up 1 day, 16:22, 6 users, load average: 0.14, 0.21, 0.24
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On Wed Mar 12 13:54 +0100, Pascal Terjan wrote: > When I read things like the following URL, I can't see what they expect > from us (except making us laugh). > > http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/news/0311french.html And of course neither "french" fries nor "french" toast have a thing to do with France. In the first case, IIRC, the dish in question originated in Belgium, and the second, though bearing a superficial resemblance to un croque-monsieur, is most likely more marketing than anything else; "french" has a (deserved) history of meaning "fancy" in the annals of American marketing. I could really go for some liberty cabbage about now... ;o) -- Levi Ramsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The food of love is Mandrake root. GPG Fingerprint: 354C 7A02 77C5 9EE7 8538 4E8D DCD9 B4B0 DC35 67CD Currently playing: Metallica - The Outlaw Torn Linux 2.4.21-0.13mdk 10:20:00 up 1 day, 15:12, 6 users, load average: 0.07, 0.12, 0.11
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On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 05:54, Pascal Terjan wrote: > Buchan Milne wrote: > > > And are they going to start boycotting British products now too? > > > > Really, mixing politics and business is not a good idea ... > > > > When I read things like the following URL, I can't see what they expect > from us (except making us laugh). > > http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/news/0311french.html > > I heard that thing about the freedom fries and liberty fries on the radio up here in Canada and just shook my head. One of the restaurant owners who changed the name of the fries made a stupid crack that they could take back the statue of liberty too. I just shake my head. -- Jason Komar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lubetec
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On Wednesday 12 March 2003 07:54, Pascal Terjan wrote: > Buchan Milne wrote: > > And are they going to start boycotting British products now too? > > > > Really, mixing politics and business is not a good idea ... > > When I read things like the following URL, I can't see what they expect > from us (except making us laugh). > > http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/news/0311french.html With all due respect to Buchan - Ashcroft's deal with Microsoft mixed business with politics. Bush will buy your non-veto at the Security Council - I'd start at $100,000,000,000 but I would think a vote from France would be worth more than an airstrip in Turkey. Strangely, the political spectrum closes in on itself at the extremes. I've noticed Linux is popular on both the far left and far right. Jim Tarvid
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Le Mercredi 12 Mars 2003 13:54, Pascal Terjan a écrit : > When I read things like the following URL, I can't see what they expect > from us (except making us laugh). > > http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/news/0311french.html I guess this sums up America's biggest problem: *everything* is about money, how much they have, how much others don't etc.
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Am Mittwoch, 12. März 2003, 13:54:07 Uhr MET, schrieb Pascal Terjan: > When I read things like the following URL, I can't see what they expect > from us (except making us laugh). > http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/news/0311french.html I'm sure this is a parody. They can't rename french fries to liberty fries, that's so much over the top. -- Götz Waschk <> master of computer science <> University of Rostock http://wwwtec.informatik.uni-rostock.de/~waschk/waschk.asc for PGP key --> Logout Fascism! <--
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Buchan Milne wrote: And are they going to start boycotting British products now too? Really, mixing politics and business is not a good idea ... When I read things like the following URL, I can't see what they expect from us (except making us laugh). http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/news/0311french.html
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ROLF ROLF ROLF ROLF ROLF ROLF ROLF ROLF ROLF Buchan Milne wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chmouel Boudjnah wrote: we did get mails from some morons who said that they don't want to buy us because we are French and don't support the war. Hail we are like this we like to eat Camembert, drink Wine and make love :-p And are they going to start boycotting British products now too? Really, mixing politics and business is not a good idea ... Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE+by0brJK6UGDSBKcRAhkeAJ9cQWuycs8i6dUW5Ko9w9bL0Wu2SACgs0dt Je0UYnCufA4lR8GQwkQEfjk= =0EOw -END PGP SIGNATURE- .
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chmouel Boudjnah wrote: > we did get mails from some morons who said that they don't want to buy > us because we are French and don't support the war. > Hail we are like this we like to eat Camembert, drink Wine and make > love :-p > And are they going to start boycotting British products now too? Really, mixing politics and business is not a good idea ... Buchan - -- |--Another happy Mandrake Club member--| Buchan MilneMechanical Engineer, Network Manager Cellphone * Work+27 82 472 2231 * +27 21 8828820x121 Stellenbosch Automotive Engineering http://www.cae.co.za GPG Key http://ranger.dnsalias.com/bgmilne.asc 1024D/60D204A7 2919 E232 5610 A038 87B1 72D6 AC92 BA50 60D2 04A7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE+by0brJK6UGDSBKcRAhkeAJ9cQWuycs8i6dUW5Ko9w9bL0Wu2SACgs0dt Je0UYnCufA4lR8GQwkQEfjk= =0EOw -END PGP SIGNATURE-
