Re: [Cooker] Religious taboos vs. the GPL
On Sun 2002-12-29 at 13:18:20 +0800, Leon Brooks wrote: On Sunday 29 December 2002 02:10 am, Benjamin Pflugmann wrote: At least I feel offended by this text: Well, don't you think that by giving out the program for free he is entitled to some accompanying words? ...and from what you've said, the words are only in the licence, No, I said the very opposite: they are not part of the copyright (and they cannot be in the license, because the GPL may not be modified). not in the users' face in large animated flourescent lettering or anything. So do what you'd do with an objectionable list message: counter-argue or ignore it. I answered to the original mail in order to make the above point clear (which the original poster was not sure about). Obviously I failed, because you concentrated on a side-note of mine. And to prevent any misunderstanding: I did not answer your mail to counter-argue the latter part, but get the facts straight: the questionable words are *not* part of the license or the copyright. Bye, Benjamin. msg84655/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
[Cooker] Religious taboos vs. the GPL
Am Montag, 23. Dezember 2002, 16:43:51 Uhr MET, schrieb Oden Eriksson: http://freshmeat.net/releases/107382/ I've uploaded this MIDI softsynth. I couldn't test it, because I don't have the required hardware. But it seems to be really cool. I don't know if the religious stuff in the docu is GPL compliant, because it somehow limits the availability of the application. At least I feel offended by this text: If you want to use this program to make music that is against God and Jesus (like HeavyMetal, NewAge,..) STOP and think that you'll be judged someday by God Himself for causing people to lose the way to Salvation and go to hell. This will happen, no matter if you'll use my program, else's program or anything else against Jesus's name. -- Götz Waschk master of computer science University of Rostock http://wwwtec.informatik.uni-rostock.de/~waschk/waschk.asc for PGP key -- Logout Fascism! --
Re: [Cooker] Religious taboos vs. the GPL
Hello. On Sat 2002-12-28 at 15:58:23 +0100, Götz Waschk wrote: Am Montag, 23. Dezember 2002, 16:43:51 Uhr MET, schrieb Oden Eriksson: http://freshmeat.net/releases/107382/ I've uploaded this MIDI softsynth. I couldn't test it, because I don't have the required hardware. But it seems to be really cool. I don't know if the religious stuff in the docu is GPL compliant, because it somehow limits the availability of the application. I understand that this part is meant as a appeal, not a restriction. Anyhow, there is a sperate section about copyright and license that makes it very clear, that the program is covered by the GPL and it does not mention any further restrictions at all. At least I feel offended by this text: Well, don't you think that by giving out the program for free he is entitled to some accompanying words? HTH, Benjamin. msg84618/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Cooker] Religious taboos vs. the GPL
It does not offend me... My .0002c worth. Cheers Jason Götz Waschk wrote: Am Montag, 23. Dezember 2002, 16:43:51 Uhr MET, schrieb Oden Eriksson: http://freshmeat.net/releases/107382/ I've uploaded this MIDI softsynth. I couldn't test it, because I don't have the required hardware. But it seems to be really cool. I don't know if the religious stuff in the docu is GPL compliant, because it somehow limits the availability of the application. At least I feel offended by this text: If you want to use this program to make music that is against God and Jesus (like HeavyMetal, NewAge,..) STOP and think that you'll be judged someday by God Himself for causing people to lose the way to Salvation and go to hell. This will happen, no matter if you'll use my program, else's program or anything else against Jesus's name.
Re: [Cooker] Religious taboos vs. the GPL
I really don't think that the GPL stifles a person's freedom of speech even if that speech is offensive to some. If there is something about this that offends you, then you will need to find another peice of software. Personally I use software that is useful because it is useful. The fact that some of these programmers might be believing or doing very offensive things is not going to stop me from using their software. I use products everyday that are made by people that are in someway offensive to me. The writer of this program is simply trying to express his beliefs and his concience. You are free to agree or disagree with those beliefs. But if simply reading this causes you pain, you probably need to think the matter over. Either its true or its not. If its not true, whats the problem? He's not threatening to do you any harm, only that God will do you harm, but if you don't believe in God or don't believe that God is the way he describes him, so what? The fact is that when you actually read the source code, scripts and documents in open source software, you will find a lot of vulgarity and distasteful comments. Certainly enough stuff to offend a lot of people if not everybody. So is the solution to impose censorship and put a muzzle on people? I can understand the problem if stuff actually appears on the screen when you run the program, but even then, many times you can just edit it out so you don't have to live with it on your machine. We live in a world where people have different values and express themselves accordingly even in the world of free software. The last thing that free software needs is a cadre of thought police to impose political and religeous correctness on everyone. And the biggest problem with that concept is that eventually the gestapo will end up knocking on your door as well. So let freedom ring! If it bothers you, simply ignore it, or don't use the software. And don't worry because anything that is truly hateful and dangerous will end up being broadly condemned by the community as a whole, but believe me, this doesn't qualify. - George Mitchell Götz Waschk wrote: Am Montag, 23. Dezember 2002, 16:43:51 Uhr MET, schrieb Oden Eriksson: http://freshmeat.net/releases/107382/ I've uploaded this MIDI softsynth. I couldn't test it, because I don't have the required hardware. But it seems to be really cool. I don't know if the religious stuff in the docu is GPL compliant, because it somehow limits the availability of the application. At least I feel offended by this text: If you want to use this program to make music that is against God and Jesus (like HeavyMetal, NewAge,..) STOP and think that you'll be judged someday by God Himself for causing people to lose the way to Salvation and go to hell. This will happen, no matter if you'll use my program, else's program or anything else against Jesus's name.
Re: [Cooker] Religious taboos vs. the GPL
On Saturday 28 December 2002 10:58 pm, Götz Waschk wrote: I don't know if the religious stuff in the docu is GPL compliant, because it somehow limits the availability of the application. At least I feel offended by this text: If you want to use this program to make music that is against God and Jesus (like HeavyMetal, NewAge,..) STOP and think that you'll be judged someday by God Himself for causing people to lose the way to Salvation and go to hell. This will happen, no matter if you'll use my program, else's program or anything else against Jesus's name. It doesn't actually limit the distribution at all. It _suggests_ that you _consider_ not using it for purposes contra to the author's ideals. In a way, if you considered it limiting, you'd have to consider it to limit *all* music programs capable of producing heavy metal, newage and the like. Cheers; Leon
Re: [Cooker] Religious taboos vs. the GPL
On Sunday 29 December 2002 02:10 am, Benjamin Pflugmann wrote: At least I feel offended by this text: Well, don't you think that by giving out the program for free he is entitled to some accompanying words? ...and from what you've said, the words are only in the licence, not in the users' face in large animated flourescent lettering or anything. So do what you'd do with an objectionable list message: counter-argue or ignore it. Cheers; Leon
