Re: [Cooker] GNOME2 bugs/remarks - metacity problems?
Frederic Crozat wrote: On Wed, 02 Oct 2002 09:10:32 +0200, Michal Bukovjan wrote: Hi cooker, just installed MDK9.0 and it looks great. There are some problems I ran into: 1. No way to switch window managers. I looked at a lot of places, but there is metacity running and no way to switch to something else (via a GUI) Metacity is now the only WM supported by MandrakeSoft for GNOME.. If you want to use something else, you're on your own.. Settings WINDOW_MANAGER variable in ~/.bashrc will help... Understood. 2. Sawfish advanced options will not work. In GNOME Control center, going to Advanced/Sawfish and clicking on any icon has no effect :-( I even tried to remove ~/.sawfish, still the same. Work perfectly here.. But not here. Since you do not support sawfish, the only solution would be rpm -e sawfish :-( Correct? Is there anything I can do to help you? How do I get some feedback from system on why it is not starting the capplet? I am happy with metacity, that's ok, but then I have some probs which may or may not be related to metacity - just try this yourself: [Running upgraded fresh 8.2 (week old) upgraded to 9.0] Problem 1: -- - run Mozilla [Mozilla window has focus] - run Mozilla Mail (optional) - run gedit (or anything else), in the same workspace [gedit window has focus] - click inside Mozilla window - the Mozilla window comes on top, but does not get focus. I have to click on the window header to get it to focus. I have Click to focus setting enabled in GCC. Problem 2: -- Not sure if related to WM - playing freeciv client shipped with MDK9.0 (I guess it is the GTK2 client), when multiple windows popup after a turn, only one of them is focusable. This is especially annoying when scientists come with a new invention, you try to choose another one to invent, click on help check box and have help screen pop up on a invention, but this help screen is not active/is disabled. You have to close science report dialog, and only then you can use the help popup window. Let me know if I can help you with any of the probs. I will try sawfish and see if the problems persist. Michal
Re: [Cooker] GNOME2 bugs/remarks - metacity problems? - more info
Michal Bukovjan wrote: Frederic Crozat wrote: On Wed, 02 Oct 2002 09:10:32 +0200, Michal Bukovjan wrote: 2. Sawfish advanced options will not work. In GNOME Control center, going to Advanced/Sawfish and clicking on any icon has no effect :-( I even tried to remove ~/.sawfish, still the same. Work perfectly here.. But not here. Since you do not support sawfish, the only solution would be rpm -e sawfish :-( Correct? Is there anything I can do to help you? How do I get some feedback from system on why it is not starting the capplet? I am happy with metacity, that's ok, but then I have some probs which may or may not be related to metacity - just try this yourself: [Running upgraded fresh 8.2 (week old) upgraded to 9.0] Problem 1: -- - run Mozilla [Mozilla window has focus] - run Mozilla Mail (optional) - run gedit (or anything else), in the same workspace [gedit window has focus] - click inside Mozilla window - the Mozilla window comes on top, but does not get focus. I have to click on the window header to get it to focus. I have Click to focus setting enabled in GCC. Problem 2: -- Not sure if related to WM - playing freeciv client shipped with MDK9.0 (I guess it is the GTK2 client), when multiple windows popup after a turn, only one of them is focusable. This is especially annoying when scientists come with a new invention, you try to choose another one to invent, click on help check box and have help screen pop up on a invention, but this help screen is not active/is disabled. You have to close science report dialog, and only then you can use the help popup window. Let me know if I can help you with any of the probs. I will try sawfish and see if the problems persist. Here is some more info: - the WINDOW_MANAGER in .bashrc wouldn't work. Always metacity. I tried to log into KDE session, though, to see if there is any difference. Problem 1 - works under KDE. So this *IS* a Metacity issue, as this worked with sawfish in MDK8.2 as well. Please note that I am talking about keyboard focus in here - clicking on links (and mouse actions generally) in Mozilla window works, shortcut or keyboard input does not. Looks like Click to focus option is broken, as it does not work in other applications too. I tested the Point on focus option, and that one works as expected. Since Click to focus is the default option, I suggest that Mandrake folks look at it and possibly fix it. Problem 2 - occurs also under KDE. The freeciv client has the same modality problem under KDE, so I guess this is something to bug freeciv developers. Michal
Re: [Cooker] GNOME2 bugs/remarks - metacity problems? - more info
On Wed, 2002-10-02 at 14:00, Michal Bukovjan wrote: Here is some more info: - the WINDOW_MANAGER in .bashrc wouldn't work. Always metacity. I tried to log into KDE session, though, to see if there is any difference. Try this: killall metacity ; exec sawfish Then save session on exit (or set up your session how you like it and run gnome-session-save). There may be a GUI tool for WM switching in GNOME 2.2, but there's not in 2.0. -- adamw
Re: [Cooker] GNOME2 bugs/remarks - metacity problems? - more info
Frederic Crozat wrote: On Wed, 02 Oct 2002 15:00:13 +0200, Michal Bukovjan wrote: Michal Bukovjan wrote: Frederic Crozat wrote: On Wed, 02 Oct 2002 09:10:32 +0200, Michal Bukovjan wrote: [Running upgraded fresh 8.2 (week old) upgraded to 9.0] I have Click to focus setting enabled in GCC. Here is some more info: - the WINDOW_MANAGER in .bashrc wouldn't work. Always metacity. I tried to log into KDE session, though, to see if there is any difference. I've tested and adding export WINDOW_MANAGER=sawfish to .bashrc only work if you didn't save session before.. If you did, then, open a terminal and do : killall metacity sawfish and then save your session Thanks, that worked (I had to relogin then). So... Problem 1 - works under KDE. So this *IS* a Metacity issue, as this worked with sawfish in MDK8.2 as well. Please note that I am talking about keyboard focus in here - clicking on links (and mouse actions generally) in Mozilla window works, shortcut or keyboard input does not. Looks like Click to focus option is broken, as it does not work in other applications too. I tested the Point on focus option, and that one works as expected. Since Click to focus is the default option, I suggest that Mandrake folks look at it and possibly fix it. Did you read my email ? I tested and keyboard focus works correctly with metacity in click-to-focus mode with mozilla.. So, give me a 100% reproducible test case.. So I was also able to test under sawfish. Problem 1 (focusing) does not occur with sawfish. Problem 2 (freeciv) occurs under sawfish as well, so it must be a bug of the new freeciv client. I got more simple testcases for problem 1, 100% reproducible on my fresh 8.2 upgrade to MDK 9.0: a) start two gnome terminals - clicking into the other terminal will neither bring the other one to top, nor give it keyboard focus. I can select the text with mouse in the non-focused one, though... b) Start two Nautilus views (say on your home dir). I cannot switch windows as well, nor the other window comes on top. c) Mozilla is an exemption to this - its window will come on top, but no keyboard focus. d) I also tried two KDE apps (Kate), same behavior as a) and b). IMPORTANT: All of these cases appear when you click *INTO* the window (any point). Both focusing and raising *work* correctly if I click on window header or window decoration (border) of the corresponding window. Both focusing and raising work correctly in all cases with sawfish and KDE window manager. I've even checked the metacity theme, it is not dependent, though. Michal
Re: [Cooker] GNOME2 bugs/remarks - metacity problems? - more info
Hi. On Wed 2002-10-02 at 18:36:15 +0200, Michal Bukovjan wrote: [...] All of these cases appear when you click *INTO* the window (any point). Both focusing and raising *work* correctly if I click on window header or window decoration (border) of the corresponding window. If you ever find out how to change it, *please* tell me, because that is exactly the behaviour I want, and I have found no way yet to enable it (I hate nothing more than browser windows popping to front, just because I select something in them). Btw, this of course means, I cannot reproduce your problem, as for me any click, *anywhere* in the window of window border raises it and I think I already tried to change all available config options (in the gui preferences). Regards, Benjamin. msg77838/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Cooker] GNOME2 bugs/remarks - metacity problems? - more info
Benjamin Pflugmann wrote: Hi. On Wed 2002-10-02 at 18:36:15 +0200, Michal Bukovjan wrote: [...] All of these cases appear when you click *INTO* the window (any point). Both focusing and raising *work* correctly if I click on window header or window decoration (border) of the corresponding window. If you ever find out how to change it, *please* tell me, because that is exactly the behaviour I want, and I have found no way yet to enable it (I hate nothing more than browser windows popping to front, just because I select something in them). Btw, this of course means, I cannot reproduce your problem, as for me any click, *anywhere* in the window of window border raises it and I think I already tried to change all available config options (in the gui preferences). Grrr :-( Let's exchange our disks:-) On a more serious note, my system behaviour would not please you, as Mozilla is the exception that raises when clicked into, but do not get keyboard focus (and the header border painted by WM do not change its look to focused as well). Michal
Re: [Cooker] GNOME2 bugs/remarks - metacity problems?
On Wed, 02 Oct 2002 10:14:50 +0200, Michal Bukovjan wrote: Frederic Crozat wrote: On Wed, 02 Oct 2002 09:10:32 +0200, Michal Bukovjan wrote: Hi cooker, just installed MDK9.0 and it looks great. There are some problems I ran into: 1. No way to switch window managers. I looked at a lot of places, but there is metacity running and no way to switch to something else (via a GUI) Metacity is now the only WM supported by MandrakeSoft for GNOME.. If you want to use something else, you're on your own.. Settings WINDOW_MANAGER variable in ~/.bashrc will help... Understood. 2. Sawfish advanced options will not work. In GNOME Control center, going to Advanced/Sawfish and clicking on any icon has no effect :-( I even tried to remove ~/.sawfish, still the same. Work perfectly here.. But not here. Since you do not support sawfish, the only solution would be rpm -e sawfish :-( Correct? Is there anything I can do to help you? How do I get some feedback from system on why it is not starting the capplet? Check ~/.xsession-errors for error message .. I am happy with metacity, that's ok, but then I have some probs which may or may not be related to metacity - just try this yourself: [Running upgraded fresh 8.2 (week old) upgraded to 9.0] Problem 1: -- - run Mozilla [Mozilla window has focus] - run Mozilla Mail (optional) - run gedit (or anything else), in the same workspace [gedit window has focus] - click inside Mozilla window - the Mozilla window comes on top, but does not get focus. I have to click on the window header to get it to focus. I have Click to focus setting enabled in GCC. I can't reproduce it with Metacity... Whenever I click on mozilla window, focus is correctly given to Mozilla.. Problem 2: -- Not sure if related to WM - playing freeciv client shipped with MDK9.0 (I guess it is the GTK2 client), when multiple windows popup after a turn, only one of them is focusable. This is especially annoying when scientists come with a new invention, you try to choose another one to invent, click on help check box and have help screen pop up on a invention, but this help screen is not active/is disabled. You have to close science report dialog, and only then you can use the help popup window. I'm not a freeciv specialist at all, so it is kind of tricky to reproduce.. If freeciv dialogs are modal, it is normal to block all other access to main interface.. Anyway, your problems are quite strange, since almost nobody complains on metacity behaviour in click-to-focus (which is the default mode) and I didn't have any problem with it since I integrated it in the distro.. The only remaining problem are with some fullscreen applications (like Xine or Galeon) and it should be fixed soon.. -- Frederic Crozat MandrakeSoft
Re: [Cooker] GNOME2 bugs/remarks - metacity problems? - more info
On Wed, 02 Oct 2002 15:00:13 +0200, Michal Bukovjan wrote: Michal Bukovjan wrote: Frederic Crozat wrote: On Wed, 02 Oct 2002 09:10:32 +0200, Michal Bukovjan wrote: 2. Sawfish advanced options will not work. In GNOME Control center, going to Advanced/Sawfish and clicking on any icon has no effect :-( I even tried to remove ~/.sawfish, still the same. Work perfectly here.. But not here. Since you do not support sawfish, the only solution would be rpm -e sawfish :-( Correct? Is there anything I can do to help you? How do I get some feedback from system on why it is not starting the capplet? I am happy with metacity, that's ok, but then I have some probs which may or may not be related to metacity - just try this yourself: [Running upgraded fresh 8.2 (week old) upgraded to 9.0] Problem 1: -- - run Mozilla [Mozilla window has focus] - run Mozilla Mail (optional) - run gedit (or anything else), in the same workspace [gedit window has focus] - click inside Mozilla window - the Mozilla window comes on top, but does not get focus. I have to click on the window header to get it to focus. I have Click to focus setting enabled in GCC. Problem 2: -- Not sure if related to WM - playing freeciv client shipped with MDK9.0 (I guess it is the GTK2 client), when multiple windows popup after a turn, only one of them is focusable. This is especially annoying when scientists come with a new invention, you try to choose another one to invent, click on help check box and have help screen pop up on a invention, but this help screen is not active/is disabled. You have to close science report dialog, and only then you can use the help popup window. Let me know if I can help you with any of the probs. I will try sawfish and see if the problems persist. Here is some more info: - the WINDOW_MANAGER in .bashrc wouldn't work. Always metacity. I tried to log into KDE session, though, to see if there is any difference. I've tested and adding export WINDOW_MANAGER=sawfish to .bashrc only work if you didn't save session before.. If you did, then, open a terminal and do : killall metacity sawfish and then save your session Problem 1 - works under KDE. So this *IS* a Metacity issue, as this worked with sawfish in MDK8.2 as well. Please note that I am talking about keyboard focus in here - clicking on links (and mouse actions generally) in Mozilla window works, shortcut or keyboard input does not. Looks like Click to focus option is broken, as it does not work in other applications too. I tested the Point on focus option, and that one works as expected. Since Click to focus is the default option, I suggest that Mandrake folks look at it and possibly fix it. Did you read my email ? I tested and keyboard focus works correctly with metacity in click-to-focus mode with mozilla.. So, give me a 100% reproducible test case.. -- Frederic Crozat MandrakeSoft
