Re: [Cooker] Mandrake 7.1-BETA (Hydrogen) is available.
Andreas Simon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The XFdrake generated one was near empty. > > But I must say it is a couple of weeks ago, since I > last checked XFdrake. Maybe some things have changed > in the meanwhile. I dunno. I will give it an other try > this weekend ... you'd better! couple of weeks is a very large amount of time :pp cu Pixel (who doesn't like XFdrake being compared to xf86config :)
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake 7.1-BETA (Hydrogen) is available.
Pixel wrote: > hey, you want to fight! Come, don't be afraid ;-) > > no kidding, what are your grief about the XF86Config-4 generated by XFdrake? Grief is such a hard word ... ;-) Okay. Some of the modules that are automatically loaded from a xf86config generated XF86Config file were missing in the XFdrake gernerated config file. So what is the effect of this? Enlightment for example won't start because of missing functionality of X11 when using the XFdrake gernerated configuration. My xf86config gernerated module section look like ## Section "Module" # This loads the DBE extension module. Load"dbe" # Double buffer extension # This loads the miscellaneous extensions module, and disables # initialisation of the XFree86-DGA extension within that module. SubSection "extmod" Option"omit xfree86-dga" # don't initialise the DGA extension EndSubSection # This loads the Type1 and FreeType font modules Load"type1" Load"freetype" # This loads the GLX module Load "glx" EndSection # The XFdrake generated one was near empty. But I must say it is a couple of weeks ago, since I last checked XFdrake. Maybe some things have changed in the meanwhile. I dunno. I will give it an other try this weekend ... Cheers, ~Andreas "Have you noticed there are no interesting people in heaven? --Just a hint to the girls as to where they can find their salvation." [Nietzche, "The Will to Power"]
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake 7.1-BETA (Hydrogen) is available.
Andreas Simon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Sebastian Dransfeld wrote: > > > > On 27 Apr 2000, Pixel wrote: > > > > > > > > just change the symlink /etc/X11/X between /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_SVGA (or > > > whatever) and /usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86 > > > > > > > What about the XF86Config file? > > The config files are incompatible between these two Xfree releases. > You need the generate a new XF86Config file via xf86config. > Don't use the Draktools for generating config files for XFree86 4.0. > They are bad and evil (you will see the difference when you compare > XF86Config files generated from xf86config and XDrake). hey, you want to fight! Come, don't be afraid ;-) no kidding, what are your grief about the XF86Config-4 generated by XFdrake? cu Pixel.
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake 7.1-BETA (Hydrogen) is available.
Sebastian Dransfeld wrote: > > On 27 Apr 2000, Pixel wrote: > > > > > just change the symlink /etc/X11/X between /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_SVGA (or > > whatever) and /usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86 > > > > What about the XF86Config file? The config files are incompatible between these two Xfree releases. You need the generate a new XF86Config file via xf86config. Don't use the Draktools for generating config files for XFree86 4.0. They are bad and evil (you will see the difference when you compare XF86Config files generated from xf86config and XDrake). Cheers, ~A.
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake 7.1-BETA (Hydrogen) is available.
Sebastian Dransfeld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 27 Apr 2000, Pixel wrote: > > > > > just change the symlink /etc/X11/X between /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_SVGA (or > > whatever) and /usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86 > > > > What about the XF86Config file? XFree4 uses /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 if it exists. That way, no pb :)
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake 7.1-BETA (Hydrogen) is available.
On 27 Apr 2000, Pixel wrote: > > just change the symlink /etc/X11/X between /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_SVGA (or > whatever) and /usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86 > What about the XF86Config file? seb
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake 7.1-BETA (Hydrogen) is available.
"Cheng Zhang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > - Now includes brand new XFree 4.0 servers, with new modular > > > architecture. > > > > Can user select between XFree86 3 servers and 4 servers? > > Ya, who can tell me how to switch between XFree86 v3 and XFree86 v4? just change the symlink /etc/X11/X between /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_SVGA (or whatever) and /usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86
RE: [Cooker] Mandrake 7.1-BETA (Hydrogen) is available.
> > - Now includes brand new XFree 4.0 servers, with new modular > > architecture. > > Can user select between XFree86 3 servers and 4 servers? Ya, who can tell me how to switch between XFree86 v3 and XFree86 v4? -- czhang
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake 7.1-BETA (Hydrogen) is available.
David Walluck a écrit : > On Wed, 26 Apr 2000, Gael Duval wrote: > > > - DrakX graphic installation procedure has been improved to ease > > installation it now fully handles multi-CD installation > > If I understand correctly, the first CD is 200 M? I have an upgraded > system, that I upgrade daily, and therefore don't have a way of installing > from CD. > > > - If Windows is also on the computer, DrakFont gives the user access > > to his Windows fonts under Linux. > > BUG: If C:/windows/fonts doesn't exist then check C:/winnt/fonts for winnt > users (like me). You may even want to check a few more directories like > win95, win98, or something, but pkease definately check foir > C:/winnt/fonts. > will be corrected soon. > > > - DrakBoot allows for easy graphical configuration of boot loader > > (lilo and grub) > > BUG: drakboot and drakfloppy seem to need gfloppy, but gfloppy is not > listed in Requires. drakboot (and DrakConf) doesn't require drakfloppy neither gfloppy. It just allows to use them if there are available. > Also, there should be a text interface. I don't need > X11 just so I can format floppies. > use usr/sbin/mkbootdisk. > > Even more important, supposedly grub is supported. I have grub > installed. But when I type ;drakboot' only LILO comes up to configure. You > have been saying grub has been available for the longest time, so where is > it??? > > > - Now includes brand new XFree 4.0 servers, with new modular > > architecture. > > Can user select between XFree86 3 servers and 4 servers? > > > - For professional environments, now shipping ReiserFS, a new > > journalized file system. > > Can you set up ReiserFS partitions from the graphical installer? > > Sorry for some of these questions. I am curious about the installer, but I > am unable to get it on CD unless someone is willing to mail me. Thanks.
RE: [Cooker] Mandrake 7.1-BETA (Hydrogen) is available.
> > > - If Windows is also on the computer, DrakFont gives the user access > > > to his Windows fonts under Linux. > > > > BUG: If C:/windows/fonts doesn't exist then check C:/winnt/fonts for winnt > > users (like me). You may even want to check a few more directories like > > win95, win98, or something, but pkease definately check foir > > C:/winnt/fonts. > > > > i'm gonna put m|/win|i > > could you test with this (i'm currently uploading this) Not sure what kind of fonts and stuff this supports, but I thought I might mention the C:\PSFONTS directory that a lot of Adobe programs (Adobe Type Manager?) use. Are these supported? Don Head Linux Mentor Wave Technologies, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [AIM - Don Wave][ICQ - 18804935] [IRC - EFnet, #WaveTech, Don-Wave]
RE: [Cooker] Mandrake 7.1-BETA (Hydrogen) is available.
> > ok excuse My ignerence but what is the difference between GPL > and LGPL? and > > other such licences is there a good place to go to find out the > different > > licences and such > > > > LGPL stand for "Library GPL" and allow a binary > program to link to a LGPL library. > No, not really. :-) i think a more correct one would be "lesser GPL". LPGL is not necessarily for .so files, it can be for others as well. but in all, LGPL is less restrictive than GPL, and does allow proprietary programs to link to LGPL stuff while for GPL, anything linked must also be GPL. however, you can link GPL stuff to non-GPL libraries, one of the good examples is KDE, because KDE uses qt library, which has a really ugly qt license ... > -- >-- Yoann, http://www.mandrakesoft.com/~yoann/ > It is well known that M$ products don't call free() after a malloc(). > The Unix community wish them good luck for their future developments. >
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake 7.1-BETA (Hydrogen) is available.
Vandoorselaere Yoann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > ok excuse My ignerence but what is the difference between GPL and LGPL? and > > other such licences is there a good place to go to find out the different > > licences and such > > > > LGPL stand for "Library GPL" bhh... not true anymore. tis Lesser GPL now :pp RMS recommends GPL even for libraries
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake 7.1-BETA (Hydrogen) is available.
John Grange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Geoffrey Lee wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ah, but not everyone likes qt ... one of them 's me ...because > > > i think the > > > > license really sucks... > > > > > > > > > Gael. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > < Gael DUVAL - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > < http://www.mandrake.com > > > > > > > > > > > > qt is ok, but gtk is much better in many ways;) > > > > > > > Nah, the QPL really sucks...even though that qt is now free software ...i > > wouldn't use it unless absolutely necessary. you see a lot of software > > vendors trying to embrace open source/free software in some way, but they're > > too scared to use the GPL. .. > > > > gtk is cool. the best one is that it's LGPL. :-) > > > > ok excuse My ignerence but what is the difference between GPL and LGPL? and > other such licences is there a good place to go to find out the different > licences and such > LGPL stand for "Library GPL" and allow a binary program to link to a LGPL library. -- -- Yoann, http://www.mandrakesoft.com/~yoann/ It is well known that M$ products don't call free() after a malloc(). The Unix community wish them good luck for their future developments.
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake 7.1-BETA (Hydrogen) is available.
David Walluck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, 26 Apr 2000, Gael Duval wrote: > > > - DrakX graphic installation procedure has been improved to ease > > installation it now fully handles multi-CD installation > > If I understand correctly, the first CD is 200 M? nope, it is the 2nd cd. [...] > > - If Windows is also on the computer, DrakFont gives the user access > > to his Windows fonts under Linux. > > BUG: If C:/windows/fonts doesn't exist then check C:/winnt/fonts for winnt > users (like me). You may even want to check a few more directories like > win95, win98, or something, but pkease definately check foir > C:/winnt/fonts. > i'm gonna put m|/win|i could you test with this (i'm currently uploading this) > > > - DrakBoot allows for easy graphical configuration of boot loader > > (lilo and grub) > > BUG: drakboot and drakfloppy seem to need gfloppy, but gfloppy is not > listed in Requires. Also, there should be a text interface. I don't need > X11 just so I can format floppies. gfloppy and drakfloppy are X only. i've changed drakboot to not propose them in console. Hell, if you're in console you should be able to run mkbootdisk by yourself, don't you? > > Even more important, supposedly grub is supported. I have grub > installed. But when I type ;drakboot' only LILO comes up to configure. You > have been saying grub has been available for the longest time, so where is > it??? use drakboot --expert, you'll have the ability to choose the bootloader [...] > > - For professional environments, now shipping ReiserFS, a new > > journalized file system. > > Can you set up ReiserFS partitions from the graphical installer? yep :) you have to be !beginner
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake 7.1-BETA (Hydrogen) is available.
Frederic Lepied <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > "Geoffrey Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > - Now includes brand new XFree 4.0 servers, with new modular > > > > architecture. > > > > > > Can user select between XFree86 3 servers and 4 servers? [...] > > so you want to install both xfree 3 and xfree 4? i doubt it.. > > > > > Yes you can install XFree86 3.3.6 and 4.0 servers at the same time. > XFdrake let you switch between them with or without --xf4 . in fact the switch is just: ln -sf /usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86 X or ln -sf /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_SVGA X
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake 7.1-BETA (Hydrogen) is available.
"Geoffrey Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > - Now includes brand new XFree 4.0 servers, with new modular > > > architecture. > > > > Can user select between XFree86 3 servers and 4 servers? > > > > > > so you want to install both xfree 3 and xfree 4? i doubt it.. > > Yes you can install XFree86 3.3.6 and 4.0 servers at the same time. XFdrake let you switch between them with or without --xf4 . -- Fred - May the source be with you
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake 7.1-BETA (Hydrogen) is available.
Geoffrey Lee wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ah, but not everyone likes qt ... one of them 's me ...because > > i think the > > > license really sucks... > > > > > > > Gael. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > < Gael DUVAL - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > < http://www.mandrake.com > > > > > > > > > qt is ok, but gtk is much better in many ways;) > > > > Nah, the QPL really sucks...even though that qt is now free software ...i > wouldn't use it unless absolutely necessary. you see a lot of software > vendors trying to embrace open source/free software in some way, but they're > too scared to use the GPL. .. > > gtk is cool. the best one is that it's LGPL. :-) > ok excuse My ignerence but what is the difference between GPL and LGPL? and other such licences is there a good place to go to find out the different licences and such -DarkWlf
RE: [Cooker] Mandrake 7.1-BETA (Hydrogen) is available.
Yo, > If I understand correctly, the first CD is 200 M? I have an upgraded > system, that I upgrade daily, and therefore don't have a way of installing > from CD. > > > - If Windows is also on the computer, DrakFont gives the user access > > to his Windows fonts under Linux. > > BUG: If C:/windows/fonts doesn't exist then check C:/winnt/fonts for winnt > users (like me). You may even want to check a few more directories like > win95, win98, or something, but pkease definately check foir > C:/winnt/fonts. > > uggh, you got UNIX fever. it's a backslash under M$ :-) i propose a more elagant way. since i've not used drakfont before...so i dunno if this features is already there: how about we let users specify the windows path? and btw, how do you know that the stuff is necessarily going tob e on /dev/hda1 or /dev/sda1 ? i have got my NT installed on D:\ ... or maybe something like find . -name '*.ttf' -print >> fontlist.txt uh, yuou know what i'm talking about. > it??? > > > - Now includes brand new XFree 4.0 servers, with new modular > > architecture. > > Can user select between XFree86 3 servers and 4 servers? > so you want to install both xfree 3 and xfree 4? i doubt it..
RE: [Cooker] Mandrake 7.1-BETA (Hydrogen) is available.
> > > > > > > ah, but not everyone likes qt ... one of them 's me ...because > i think the > > license really sucks... > > > > > Gael. > > > > > > -- > > > < Gael DUVAL - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > < http://www.mandrake.com > > > > > > qt is ok, but gtk is much better in many ways;) > Nah, the QPL really sucks...even though that qt is now free software ...i wouldn't use it unless absolutely necessary. you see a lot of software vendors trying to embrace open source/free software in some way, but they're too scared to use the GPL. .. gtk is cool. the best one is that it's LGPL. :-) > I would hate too see the ui for the mandrake stuff switch to qt > > thx for seconding me. :-) > -DarkWlf >
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake 7.1-BETA (Hydrogen) is available.
On Wed, 26 Apr 2000, Gael Duval wrote: > - DrakX graphic installation procedure has been improved to ease > installation it now fully handles multi-CD installation If I understand correctly, the first CD is 200 M? I have an upgraded system, that I upgrade daily, and therefore don't have a way of installing from CD. > - If Windows is also on the computer, DrakFont gives the user access > to his Windows fonts under Linux. BUG: If C:/windows/fonts doesn't exist then check C:/winnt/fonts for winnt users (like me). You may even want to check a few more directories like win95, win98, or something, but pkease definately check foir C:/winnt/fonts. > - DrakBoot allows for easy graphical configuration of boot loader > (lilo and grub) BUG: drakboot and drakfloppy seem to need gfloppy, but gfloppy is not listed in Requires. Also, there should be a text interface. I don't need X11 just so I can format floppies. Even more important, supposedly grub is supported. I have grub installed. But when I type ;drakboot' only LILO comes up to configure. You have been saying grub has been available for the longest time, so where is it??? > - Now includes brand new XFree 4.0 servers, with new modular > architecture. Can user select between XFree86 3 servers and 4 servers? > - For professional environments, now shipping ReiserFS, a new > journalized file system. Can you set up ReiserFS partitions from the graphical installer? Sorry for some of these questions. I am curious about the installer, but I am unable to get it on CD unless someone is willing to mail me. Thanks.
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake 7.1-BETA (Hydrogen) is available.
Geoffrey Lee wrote: > > > I know that a lot of effort was put into the current graphical > > installer, > > > but I was wondering if anyone is reconsidering now that Qt Embed has > > > been released > > > > really? where please? :) > > > > ah, but not everyone likes qt ... one of them 's me ...because i think the > license really sucks... > > > Gael. > > > > -- > > < Gael DUVAL - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > < http://www.mandrake.com > > > qt is ok, but gtk is much better in many ways;) I would hate too see the ui for the mandrake stuff switch to qt -DarkWlf
RE: [Cooker] Mandrake 7.1-BETA (Hydrogen) is available.
On Wed, 26 Apr 2000, Geoffrey Lee wrote: > ah, but not everyone likes qt ... one of them 's me ...because i think the > license really sucks... Oh please, but let's not get into the whole license thing... that's already beaten to death. I did want to mention that it is classified as Open Source, so really the only grounds for rejecting it is if you are a GPL-or-nothing kind of guy.
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake 7.1-BETA (Hydrogen) is available.
On Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 02:04:05AM +0200, Gael Duval wrote: > John P Cavanaugh a écrit : > > > > On Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 12:53:31AM +0200, Gael Duval wrote: > > > - DrakX graphic installation procedure has been improved to ease > > > installation it now fully handles multi-CD installation > > > > I know that a lot of effort was put into the current graphical installer, > > but I was wondering if anyone is reconsidering now that Qt Embed has > > been released > > really? where please? :) Oops, sorry, I misspoke on "release". It has definitely been announced http://www.trolltech.com/announce/embeddedqt.html and it definitely exists (not vapourware) as Haavard was demoing it at SD West in San Jose about a month ago. I just hope it has a license that allows the type of development that the current QPL allows. --- John Cavanaugh Agilent Technologies Project Manager 1400 Fountaingrove Pkwy EEsof EDA Santa Rosa, CA 95403-1799 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 707-577-4780 707-577-3948 (Fax) --- Winning starts with beginning. -- Anonymous ---
RE: [Cooker] Mandrake 7.1-BETA (Hydrogen) is available.
> > I know that a lot of effort was put into the current graphical > installer, > > but I was wondering if anyone is reconsidering now that Qt Embed has > > been released > > really? where please? :) > ah, but not everyone likes qt ... one of them 's me ...because i think the license really sucks... > Gael. > > -- > < Gael DUVAL - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > < http://www.mandrake.com > >
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake 7.1-BETA (Hydrogen) is available.
I wouldn't say you have support for ATA 66 unless you plan on using the kernel patches to have direct support for the offboard IDE controlers. Please change this verbage to say "Ability to install on 3rd party or off board IDE controllers" - Original Message - From: Gael Duval <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 5:53 PM Subject: [Cooker] Mandrake 7.1-BETA (Hydrogen) is available. > Hi everybody! > > in the case you wouldn't have noticed, Mandrake 7.1 is available for > download and tests. > > New features include: > > * Hardware > > - Enhanced USB support for modems, printers, Zip drives > - i810 based video cards now supported > - ATA 66 (UDMA 66) interface
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake 7.1-BETA (Hydrogen) is available.
John P Cavanaugh a écrit : > > On Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 12:53:31AM +0200, Gael Duval wrote: > > - DrakX graphic installation procedure has been improved to ease > > installation it now fully handles multi-CD installation > > I know that a lot of effort was put into the current graphical installer, > but I was wondering if anyone is reconsidering now that Qt Embed has > been released really? where please? :) Gael. -- < Gael DUVAL - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > < http://www.mandrake.com >
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake 7.1-BETA (Hydrogen) is available.
John P Cavanaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 12:53:31AM +0200, Gael Duval wrote: > > - DrakX graphic installation procedure has been improved to ease > > installation it now fully handles multi-CD installation > > I know that a lot of effort was put into the current graphical installer, > but I was wondering if anyone is reconsidering now that Qt Embed has > been released and works natively with the Linux Framebuffer. It would > seem to be a way to get a high quality GUI during the installer without > worrying about getting XFree up and running. > > Or is what is currently in place "Good Enough" yep, i think it should be good to look at this (even if gtk+ rules :)
Re: [Cooker] Mandrake 7.1-BETA (Hydrogen) is available.
On Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 12:53:31AM +0200, Gael Duval wrote: > - DrakX graphic installation procedure has been improved to ease > installation it now fully handles multi-CD installation I know that a lot of effort was put into the current graphical installer, but I was wondering if anyone is reconsidering now that Qt Embed has been released and works natively with the Linux Framebuffer. It would seem to be a way to get a high quality GUI during the installer without worrying about getting XFree up and running. Or is what is currently in place "Good Enough" --- John Cavanaugh Agilent Technologies Project Manager 1400 Fountaingrove Pkwy EEsof EDA Santa Rosa, CA 95403-1799 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 707-577-4780 707-577-3948 (Fax) --- Without deviation, progress is not possible. -- Frank Zappa ---
