Thanks
Hi all, I would just like to say thanks to everyone who helped me get 8.2 up and running on my old world G3. Some people at work seem to be starting to like it, so at least that's encouraging for the switch for the other newer machines. Alex -- Alex Thurgood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Ethernet Card Recognition under PPC 8.2 on OldWorld G3
Le ven 25/07/2003 à 13:43, Stew Benedict a écrit : > You shouldn't have had to unstuff anything. The only thing I stuffed in > MacOS is the "Mandrake Linux Install.Sit". Everything else was created > under Linux and should be ready to use. > Ah. OK, then I unstuffed the img file for nothing and shall replace it an untouched copy. > I'm not sure how you have your particular machine setup, but normally > there is a linux kernels folder under BootX, and that's where I put > kernels and initrds. Sounds like your BootX is looking at a different > folder than the one you're placing the items in. > Yes, well that's where I put them. I'll try rummaging around with the Finder and see if there isn't another BootX directory somewhere. > I found an 8.2 repository. Looks like I mislead you a little on where to > find the items: > > ncftp /Mandrake-old/8.2/ppc > pwd > ftp://mandrake.redbox.cz/Mandrake-old/8.2/ppc/ > ncftp /Mandrake-old/8.2/ppc > ls misc/BootX-kernels/ > initrd-2.2.19-14mdk.img vmlinuz-2.2.19-14mdk > initrd-2.4.4-6.2mdk.img vmlinuz-2.4.4-6.2mdk > > You should have misc/BootX-kernels on your CD also. > Thanks for the info. > > I'll have to wait until next week now to try again - it's a good job > > that this is the first machine I'm trying this on, since it's also the > > oldest. THe others are more recent, so with any luck the installation > > process should be a bit easier. > > > > Old World machines are the worst. The whole "boot linux from MacOS" > concept seems to really throw a lot of people. Especially if they are new > to linux, and now all of a sudden they need to deal with kernels, initrds, > kernel arguments etc. Well, I've managed to recompile my kernel on my x86 box, update, modify lilo and all that other stuff that clickophiles donn't really want to do (am I still a newbie if I'm doing that ;-p), but the BootX scenario on the Mac platform really does have me thrown because I have difficulty comprehending how a Mac boots in the first place. Once I finally figure out what exactly is going on (BootX seems to shut down the Mac and then reboot), I might understand a bit more and find it easier going. Alex -- Alex Thurgood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Ethernet Card Recognition under PPC 8.2 on OldWorld G3
Le jeu 24/07/2003 à 17:55, Stew Benedict a écrit : > Still using the installer "stuff". There should be system kernels and > initrds in the BootX folder on the CD - no? (memeory is fading on 8.2, and > I don't have a disk handy). Yep. I copied these (well I had to unstuff the img initrd file first) from the BootX folder on the CD into the folder where bootx presumably looks for them, but it didn't appear to find them. I could still only choose vmlinuz or vmlinuz2.2 from the bootx menu. I'll have to wait until next week now to try again - it's a good job that this is the first machine I'm trying this on, since it's also the oldest. THe others are more recent, so with any luck the installation process should be a bit easier. Thanks anyway for all your help. Alex.
Re: Ethernet Card Recognition under PPC 8.2 on OldWorld G3
Le jeu 24/07/2003 à 14:51, Stew Benedict a écrit : > Ahh, > > Seems we all overlooked the obvious. This is the core of all your various > issues with network, sound etc. You're booting with the installer kernel > (BOOT is the clue, although INSTALL would probably be better). Get the > appropriate system kernel and initrd from the BootX folder on CD1 to boot > the system. There are no modules for the install kernel installed on the > system. It's only intended use is for the installer. When you say "get", do you mean "set" via the BootX config panel, or do you mean copy the kernel and initrd from the CD1 on to the hard disk ? Or do I have to set the kernel boot options from within PPC via DrakConf ? In the BootX config panel, I can only choose to boot vmlinuz or vmlinuz 2.2, and if I choose RAMDISK, I have a choice of four possibilities, none of which correspond to the 2.4.18 kernel (unless I'm missing something obvious here). Alex. -- Alex Thurgood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Ethernet Card Recognition under PPC 8.2 on OldWorld G3
Le lun 21/07/2003 à 02:54, Stew Benedict a écrit : > Could be. Try using drakconnect without going through harddrake. > Harddrake isn't too terrible useful on PPC anyway. Hi Stew, Sorry this is taking so long, but I've only got access to the machine 1 day per week. I've just noticed that when I start "draknet" from a console as root, I get the following message : "Can't open dependencies file /lib/modules/2.4.18-4mdkBOOT/modules.dep" I've also noticed this error message on boot up of the machine. It turns out that something somewhere is telling the programs look in 2.4.18-4mdkBOOT whereas this doesn't actually exist at all. My question then is this : where can I change the path to the correct modules.dep file ? Do I have to use depmod and specify the path ? If so, how do I get that to work on every boot ? Alex. -- Alex Thurgood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Sound not working with 8.2 and OldWorld G3
Le dim 20/07/2003 à 13:37, Christiaan Welvaart a écrit : > On 18 Jul 2003, Alex Thurgood wrote: > > > Hi all, > > Sound doesn't seem to working or recognized by the installation of 8.2 > > on my G3 OldWorld. Any pointers, hints, etc ? > > I get the best results with ALSA, but I don't know if the version in the > kernel you use is recent enough. You should probably upgrade to 9.1 ... > just do: > modprobe snd-pcm-oss > modprobe snd-card-awacs > modprobe snd-powermac > OK, thanks, I'll try this out and see what happens. I don't really want to upgrade to 9.1 though, it took me long enough to get the 8.2 CDs from MandrakeSoft in the first place. Alex -- Alex Thurgood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Ethernet Card Recognition under PPC 8.2 on OldWorld G3
Le dim 20/07/2003 à 13:17, Christiaan Welvaart a écrit : > On 18 Jul 2003, Alex Thurgood wrote: > Internel ethernet on beige G3s is called "bmac". That's odd. When I click on the configuration tool in the Hardware section of DrakConf, this is what it displays as the module, but the configuration tool that appears is the one used for configuring a sound card. Sounds (pardon the pun) like a bug ? Alex -- Alex Thurgood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sound not working with 8.2 and OldWorld G3
Hi all, Sound doesn't seem to working or recognized by the installation of 8.2 on my G3 OldWorld. Any pointers, hints, etc ? Alex
8.2 PPC CD1 and CD2 not recognized file systems
Hi, I'm trying to install more software via GRPMI, CUPS among others, from the official 8.2 CDs. However, when asked to insert the relevant CDs, it doesn't seem to recognize them and just keeps throwing open the CD player draw with a request to insert the appropriate CD. I've noticed that from the console, an error message is given that the file system type of the CD is incorrect. What does this mean ? Is there something wrong with my fstab config, or is there something wrong with the CDs ? Any help gratefully accepted. Alex -- Alex Thurgood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Ethernet Card Recognition under PPC 8.2 on OldWorld G3
Hi all, it's me again, the Mac PPC newbie :-) Well I managed to follow Stew's advice and get the root password changed, and from there get the video card to display properly, so now I have a running X environment. So far so good. Unfortunately, the installation didn't manage to recognize my Ethernet hardware. I've tried playing with the network setup via DrakConf, and tried various modules that might have been possible with my G3 Beige OldWorld Mac, but none of them seem to work, and so no network conection as yet. I was wondering how I can get this information from somewhere on the Mac side. I've looked at the system information screens under MacOS9, but they tell me nothing, other than the protocols installed and the type and size of hard disk. I haven't managed to find any reference to the type of Ethernet hardware on board. Would anyone here know where to look, or what kind of module I should be trying to load via DrakConf (pref. with parameters, if any). TIA, Alex -- Alex Thurgood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Install PPC 8.2 on beige G3
Le ven 11/07/2003 à 19:11, Stew Benedict a écrit : > Yes, exactly. If you install BootX into the system folder, you can set > the default to either roll into MacOS or Linux, but you'll always be a bit > of the way into MacOS before that happens. Ok, finally got it to install, but I now have two problems : 1) when you create the accounts initially, the keyboard is mapped with US style mappings (I think, but would anyone care to confirm), but when you reboot, the mappings are changed to the locale you have selected - in my case French, and now I can't for the life of me get into the root account (well I will be able to eventually, once I've found out where the keys I typed initially have been moved to) - aarrgh, frustration city !! 2) THe video config parameters didn't work, so init 5 doesn't get started. Of course, you need to be root to use XConfigurator or Drakconf. BTW, what's the difference between pmac and the supplied ATI driver module ? It appears that it didn't want to play with my ATI settings. TIA, Alex -- Alex Thurgood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Install PPC 8.2 on beige G3
Le ven 11/07/2003 à 17:28, Stew Benedict a écrit : > Yes, BootX does all it's work from the MacOS side. > kernels and initrd's for the installed system are provided. > Did you delete your MacOS partition or something? Ah that would explain a lot. The obvious answer is that I did of course when I resized the partitions with the Drake utility (doh !!). Does this mean that I always have to boot into MacOS9 first before booting Linux ? I'm sorry if I appear a bit dim but I really haven't quite got the hang of this yet. I consequently reinstalled MacOS9 onto its own little partition and left the rest free with the Mac disk utility tool and am going to try again. Alex. -- Alex Thurgood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Install PPC 8.2 on beige G3
Le ven 11/07/2003 à 15:35, Alex Thurgood a écrit : > You were right about the install scripts, they didn't work. I started > BootX and chose all.gz as the ramdisk, and set the value to 34000. The > installation starts, asks for the install media, chose CDROM. THen the > program starts to load from memory (as with the other MDK installs on > other platforms), but when the graphical interface comes up for the > install, the screen is corrupted : monochrome, huge text, buttons > displaced, impossible to select anything. Is there a way around this > other than via a text install ? I'll reply to myself because I found out how, by ticking the "don't use video driver" box in BootX. I chose the "Recommende" option and well, the install went rather smoothly, but at the end, the installer told me that I couldn't use yaboot and that I'd have to use BootX instead. This is all very well, but where is BootX installed ? On my MacHFS partition or somewhere else ? When I try and start the Mac now, it just stops at the little smiling monitor. I don't get a choice of boot. I think my system's hosed. Advice, admonishments, etc, gratefully taken... Alex. -- Alex Thurgood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Install PPC 8.2 on beige G3
Le ven 11/07/2003 à 15:01, Christian Walther a écrit : > The AppleScript applet that should automate the BootX setup has some > flaws too. Try it, but don't be surprised if it doesn't work - I > recommend you configuring BootX by hand. I don't know the necessary > options offhand, but if you have problems just ask and I'll look it up. You were right about the install scripts, they didn't work. I started BootX and chose all.gz as the ramdisk, and set the value to 34000. The installation starts, asks for the install media, chose CDROM. THen the program starts to load from memory (as with the other MDK installs on other platforms), but when the graphical interface comes up for the install, the screen is corrupted : monochrome, huge text, buttons displaced, impossible to select anything. Is there a way around this other than via a text install ? Alex. -- Alex Thurgood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Install PPC 8.2 on beige G3
Le ven 11/07/2003 à 15:01, Christian Walther a écrit : > > I even tried installing the "Mandrake Linux Install.sit" file, from CD, > > or copying to disk and then starting. In both cases, I get the error > > message "The application Mandrake Linux Install.sit can not be opened > > because an error of type -39 has occurred". > > The beige G3 is an "Old World" machine, which basically means it has a > big ROM chip containing half of Mac OS, and some older version of the > boot code that doesn't support booting non-Mac-OS directly. You have to > use BootX to start Linux out of Mac OS. BootX is contained in the > "Mandrake Linux Install.sit" archive. Due to a misconfiguration of the > Linux program that created the CD, this file is marked as being an > application, although it isn't - that's why you get the error message > when you doubleclick it. Just drop it on StuffIt Expander to expand it. > > The AppleScript applet that should automate the BootX setup has some > flaws too. Try it, but don't be surprised if it doesn't work - I > recommend you configuring BootX by hand. I don't know the necessary > options offhand, but if you have problems just ask and I'll look it up. > Christian, Thanks for the advice, as I'm not a Mac expert, I wouldn't have known about the Stuffit problem. I'd already read the tutorial on the Mandrake site and guessed that I had an old world non CD-bootable system, but then that's where I got stuck with the sit file. Here I go... Alex
Install PPC 8.2 on beige G3
Hi all, I'm trying to install PPC 8.2 from the Mandrake CDs on a beige G3. I've got 1.5 Gig free space on the disk drive, and 256 Mb ram. Although I've read the readme.html file in the doc folder on the CD, nothing I've tried so far has got the machine to boot from the CD. I've tried simply pressing and holding "C" after turning on the switch. I've tried Command-C, Alt-C, Command-Alt-C, Command-Ctrl-Alt-C : all to no avail, the hard disk just kicks in and boots OS9.2. I tried Command-O-F and that gives me an error message on my monitor screen saying "SIGNAL OUT OF BOUNDS". I even tried installing the "Mandrake Linux Install.sit" file, from CD, or copying to disk and then starting. In both cases, I get the error message "The application Mandrake Linux Install.sit can not be opened because an error of type -39 has occurred". I all out of ideas ? Any advice ? Alex -- Alex Thurgood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Install 8.2 PPC on a 3400C
Le sam 08/02/2003 à 20:40, Bob Sloots a écrit : > > > > Any hints ? > > > > Can you copy the contents of the CD to a local FTP server? If so, you > can install using bootX (is 3400 an old-world Mac?, read the > instructions on the CD, in the doc-dir) and an FTP-connection (that's > how I do it, I don't even burn CD's but mount the ISO-files on an > FTP-server) > This is what I was thinking of trying. > > > > BTW, the MAC only has 48 MB RAM and 1.9 Gb disk space free. Will that be > > sufficient to install a workstation and network client access, a > > graphical desktop or two etc, etc ? > > > No problem, could be a little slow, but would work. > OK, thanks, Alex.
Install 8.2 PPC on a 3400C
Hi everyone, I've finally managed to get my copy of 8.2 PPC sent to me after 4 months wait, you can tell things are bad at Mandrakesoft eh ? Now I need to try and install it, but the only problem is, I don't have a CDROM drive (and can't get one). I presume it must be possible to install it some other way on my 3400C Mac ? FTP, Boot diskette then FTP ? Although I've installed various flavours of Mandrake on x86 architectures, I have absolutely no experience with Macs whatsoever, so please don't flame me for asking any dumb questions that might seem obvious. I see from the current discussions that people are experimenting with the latest 9.1 cooker, but I'd like to try my hand at 8.2 first. Any hints ? BTW, the MAC only has 48 MB RAM and 1.9 Gb disk space free. Will that be sufficient to install a workstation and network client access, a graphical desktop or two etc, etc ? TIA, Alex THurgood
Re: Alive?
Le ven 03/01/2003 à 21:38, Rick Thomas a écrit : > I signed up for Mandrake Club Silver membership and my credit card was > charged (almost immediately) on December 22nd. > > It's been well over a week and I've heard nothing from Mandrake about a > nickname or password. > > Has anybody else had this experience? Are Mandrake so short of cash > that they can't even process new memberships? > > > Rick > > I might add that I preordered my copy of MDK 9.0 and a discount 8.2PPC from Mandrake via it's web site prior to the European release date. I've still as yet to receive anything from Mandrakesoft, despite a telephone conversation with the French Finance Director and e-mail assurances that my order would be dealt with promptly, and that I would be entitled to 6 months free membership. Needless to say, when I received their e-mail asking for cash to support development or to upgrade my membership status I responded with a not too friendly e-mail. I have always been a fond supporter and buyer of Mandrake products, but I must say that this was the last straw as far as I am concerned. A company that can not keep its promises to paying customers does not deserve my continued custom. It's a shame as I wanted to try out the PPC on my firm's Macs, essentially to effect the transition from MSOffice to OpenOffice.org. Never mind, looks like it's going to be YellowDog or something similar. Alex
