Re: [css-d] Fixed positioning workaround

2005-12-08 Thread David Laakso
Jonathan Carter wrote:

I'm trying to implement a fixed positioned header and left column 
workaround in a test page that will work in IE and FF. It works in FF 
nicely, and it's on it's way to working in IE, but I just can't get it 
to work perfectly.

The test page can be found here:

http://www.epiphanize.com/Test.htm

Any help with making this work in IE would be greatly appreciated.
  

Sorry, dunno. You may find what you need here, though?
http://limpid.nl/lab/css/fixed/header-and-left-sidebar

Jonathan Carter

  

Best,
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[css-d] Using Fieldset/legend on non-form elements?

2005-12-08 Thread Michael Hulse
Hi list,

What are you thoughts on using fieldsetlegend/legend/fieldset 
tags on/with non-form content?

Anyone have suggestions for the best alternative (one that works on 
Mac/IE would be nice)?

I am going for this look:



[LEGEND]-
Content, content, content..



That would be a horizontal border that spans 100% with the legend on 
top/left-middle.

I am still doing google/wiki searches...
Thanks in advance all,
Cheers,
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Re: [css-d] Using Fieldset/legend on non-form elements?

2005-12-08 Thread Christian Heilmann
 That would be a horizontal border that spans 100% with the legend on
 top/left-middle.

 I am still doing google/wiki searches...

There is one solution in the archives. No idea if it works on Mac/IE
but I guess that is hackable.
http://archivist.incutio.com/viewlist/css-discuss/64044


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Re: [css-d] Using Fieldset/legend on non-form elements?

2005-12-08 Thread Michael Hulse
On Dec 8, 2005, at 12:57 AM, Christian Heilmann wrote:
 There is one solution in the archives. No idea if it works on Mac/IE
 but I guess that is hackable.

Actually, that does pretty well on IE/Mac... Can anyone tell me how it  
looks on a PC?

http://www.ambiguism.com/CSSD/testing.html

Any thoughts on improving (hehe, besides removing the inline CSS):

div style=border:1px solid #000;padding: 0 10px 10px  
10px;margin-top:10px;
h3 name=pseudo-legend  
style=display:inline;padding:5px;font-weight:normal;height:20px;  
position:relative;z-index:101;top:-12px;background-color:#fff;Name/ 
h3br /Lorem ipsum I wish I had a cat./div

So, I am going to assume that using fieldset/legend on/with non-form  
elements is a no-no?

Thanks Christian!  :)
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Re: [css-d] Using Fieldset/legend on non-form elements?

2005-12-08 Thread Christian Heilmann
 So, I am going to assume that using fieldset/legend on/with non-form
 elements is a no-no?

Yes, much like using a picture frame for a bunch of flowers would be
artistic, but not very logical. :-)


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[css-d] ul with padding inside div that has overflow: auto

2005-12-08 Thread medial | André Huf
Hello,
 
can anyone explain why there is a horizontal scrollbar for a div in
Firefox if there is a ul with “padding: 0;” inside it? 
 
And why the padding disappeares if I set the padding to at least 8px for
example?
 
The ul’s have list-style-type:none; - but it does happen without that
rule – only takes larger values
 
I set up an example page:
http://dev.electroschore.de/uloverflowautotest.htm
 
Doesn’t occur in IE
 
Thanks for your answers
 
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Re: [css-d] css-discuss wiki

2005-12-08 Thread Alex Robinson
At 10:27 +0800 8/12/05, Jonathan Lui wrote:
Don't know if this is the correct place to post this

The correct place for all enquiries about the running of the list / 
wiki is the list owner's address:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]


but the css-discuss
wiki http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ can't be accessed from where I am
(shanghai, china). It gives me a 403 Forbidden error, so I know i'm able to
at least reach the server. I tried going through tor and it works.

Is there a filter in place that bans visits from China?


I very much doubt it. I also doubt that css-d has done anything to 
displease the Chinese authorities to earn a place in their blocked 
list.

Maybe Eric will have some actual insight into this when he comes 
online later today.

However, there's nothing to be gained from discussing this on list 
any further so let's get back to CSS...


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Re: [css-d] Hiding rules from FF1.07 on a Mac

2005-12-08 Thread Julian Voelcker
Hi Ingo,

 Can't answer your question, but do you have an URL at hand?

Unfortunately not at the moment - still throwing around lots of options 
to see if I can alter the layout to avoid the problem in the first 
place.

It is actually interesting to see that there are differences between FF 
on the Mac and FF on the PC - I had always assumed that they were the 
same code base.

Anyone else with ideas on how to hide css rules from FF on a Mac?

Cheers,

Julian Voelcker
Cirencester, United Kingdom


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Re: [css-d] ul with padding inside div that has overflow: auto

2005-12-08 Thread Ingo Chao
medial | André Huf wrote:
 can anyone explain why there is a horizontal scrollbar for a div in
 Firefox if there is a ul with “padding: 0;” inside it? 
  
 And why the padding disappeares if I set the padding to at least 8px for
 example?
  
 The ul’s have list-style-type:none; - but it does happen without that
 rule – only takes larger values
  
 http://dev.electroschore.de/uloverflowautotest.htm

André, Fx1.5 does not show this problem anymore, and
ul { overflow: hidden;...}
seems to patch it in Fx1.0.7 for this page. Cannot explain this.

Ingo

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Re: [css-d] ul with padding inside div that has overflow: auto

2005-12-08 Thread Roger Roelofs
André,

On Dec 8, 2005, at 4:35 AM, medial | André Huf wrote:

 Hello,

 can anyone explain why there is a horizontal scrollbar for a div in
 Firefox if there is a ul with “padding: 0;” inside it?

 And why the padding disappeares if I set the padding to at least 8px 
 for
 example?

 The ul’s have list-style-type:none; - but it does happen without that
 rule – only takes larger values

 I set up an example page:
 http://dev.electroschore.de/uloverflowautotest.htm

I may be confused here, (haven't had my first cup of coffee) but in 
your example, the div displaying the scroll bar has a ul with 20px 
padding on it.  It looks like the browser is doing what you asked.

Every browser has default margin and padding on ul and li elements. 
  When working with lists I always set both margin and padding to remove 
the variation caused by these differing defaults.

hth
Roger,

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Re: [css-d] Hiding rules from FF1.07 on a Mac

2005-12-08 Thread Roger Roelofs
Julie,

On Dec 8, 2005, at 5:30 AM, Julian Voelcker wrote:

 Hi Ingo,

 Can't answer your question, but do you have an URL at hand?

 Unfortunately not at the moment - still throwing around lots of options
 to see if I can alter the layout to avoid the problem in the first
 place.
This is often the preferred method.  CSS Hacks are the case of last 
resort.

 It is actually interesting to see that there are differences between FF
 on the Mac and FF on the PC - I had always assumed that they were the
 same code base.
They are.  Once in a while they will display differently, usually 
because of font issues.   if the design is very 'tight' this is more 
likely to happen.  What happens to the layout when you change your text 
size in ff/win?

hth
Roger,

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Re: [css-d] ul with padding inside div that has overflow: auto

2005-12-08 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh

On 8 Dec 2005, at 8:21 pm, Ingo Chao wrote:

 can anyone explain why there is a horizontal scrollbar for a div in
 Firefox if there is a ul with “padding: 0;” inside it?

 And why the padding disappeares if I set the padding to at least  
 8px for
 example?

 The ul’s have list-style-type:none; - but it does happen without that
 rule – only takes larger values

 http://dev.electroschore.de/uloverflowautotest.htm

 André, Fx1.5 does not show this problem anymore, and
 ul { overflow: hidden;...}
 seems to patch it in Fx1.0.7 for this page. Cannot explain this.

It has something to do with the space reserved for the list-marker  
that is still 'there', even if you set list-style to none and zero  
out padding and margin. Overflow:hidden avoids the problem (cropped  
away), if that fixes it for you.

Another solution is
li {list-style: none inside;}

Note the addition of 'inside' for list-style position.

As Ingo notes, the problem is fixed in Fx 1.5 and newer.

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Re: [css-d] Using Fieldset/legend on non-form elements?

2005-12-08 Thread Michael Hulse
On Dec 8, 2005, at 12:48 AM, Michael Hulse wrote:
 [LEGEND]-
   Content, content, content..

Just out curiosity, how does this function on the PC:
http://www.ambiguism.com/CSSD/testing2.html

...
div.pseudoLegend {
padding: 0 1em;
background: #fff url(../images/dotted.gif) repeat-x 1% 50%;
}
div.pseudoLegend h3 {
font-size: 1.1em;
border: 1px solid red;
color: #3254B3;
padding: 5px;
display: -moz-inline-box;
display: inline-block;
background-color: #fff;
}
...
div class=pseudoLegend
h3 name=pseudo-legendWinch amp; Steering Bands/h3
/div
...

How worried should I be about display: -moz-inline-box;? I feel like I 
am not seeing something obvious here... hmm... maybe I need to catch-up 
on some sleep.

Thanks!   :)
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Re: [css-d] weird behaviour when adding classes through javascript

2005-12-08 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
hepabolu wrote:

Hello,

can someone please explain why the following is happening? I have a
table and mark the rows with 2 classes, say class1 and class2. Class1
changes the background color and the font to bold, class2 also changes
the background color (to something different from class1) and sets the
border to 3px solid.

When I write XHTML and add the classes directly (tr class=class1
class2) everything behaves as expected. However, when I add the
classes using javascript the border is not applied, but the background
color is.

Does anyone know what happens and/or know how to solve this?

  

code snipped

Hi Helma,

I noticed that you haven't received a response to your question.  Would 
you please consider posting a URL to a publicly available page that 
displays your problem?  This will greatly increase the chances of 
someone being willing or able to help you.  Through a brief look at your 
code, I didn't see anything that jumped out at me as wrong, but it's 
hard to view code in an email, nor do we get to see the entire page to 
ferret out if pieces that you have omitted are actually the ones causing 
the problem.  So, a URL to a page sent to the whole list (not just to 
me) would be great.

Thanks,
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Re: [css-d] Hiding rules from FF1.07 on a Mac

2005-12-08 Thread Julian Voelcker
Hi Roger,

 Julie,

Julian!

  It is actually interesting to see that there are differences between FF 
  on the Mac and FF on the PC - I had always assumed that they were the 
  same code base. 
 They are.  Once in a while they will display differently, usually 
 because of font issues.   if the design is very 'tight' this is more 
 likely to happen.  What happens to the layout when you change your text 
 size in ff/win?

Changing the font size makes no difference in Win or Mac - I'm using FF 1.5 
on Win and 1.07 on the Mac.

The layout is an interface for a CMS and is a strong mix of dhtml and css - 
I'm just going to have to leave the Mac side of things broken for the time 
being and will revisit it in a few days time.

Cheers,

Julian Voelcker
Cirencester, United Kingdom


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Re: [css-d] absolute positioning??

2005-12-08 Thread Jesper Brunholm
Hi Greg and CSS-d

I have an alternativ approach to the solution, using your mentioned 
position: absolute instead of tables, for two reasons:
Firstly, I was horrified by the huge number of table-cells ;-)
Secondly, I wouldn't like to create the engine behind, administrating 
the table-setup.

SO I went for a solution with divs, having a background png for the 
15-minutes-grid and positioning the work/vacation-boxes absolutely, but 
in a position:relative -div themselves, which allows us to maintain 
top: 0; for them and just tell how many pixels=minutes from the 6 
o'clock left-margin we want it to begin, and how many pixels/minutes we 
want them to cover.

It's all here: http://garion.dk/webdesign/scheduling.html, further 
explanations on demand, and if anybody is interessted in the rough and 
tiny PHP code behind some of it, just ask me off-list.

Regards

Jesper Brunholm

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Re: [css-d] ul with padding inside div that has overflow: auto

2005-12-08 Thread medial | André Huf
Thanks a lot Philippe, that did the job.

How do you manage to know all this? 

(Maybe this is a serious question - how do list members get their
knowledge about these things - experience doesn’t count as an answer
:-)

 Another solution is
 li {list-style: none inside;}



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Re: [css-d] transparent input background in Safari

2005-12-08 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
Gregory Wiest wrote:

Can someone tell me how to get Safari to draw transparent backgrounds for the 
input fields
on this page?

http://www.chasing-rainbow-productions.de/sb/contact.php

Firefox 1.5, Opera 7.5/8, IE-Win 6/5.5, and NN 7  do what I want,
but Safari  2.02 only draws the textarea background transparent.

The relevant code is

fieldset
{
border: 1px solid #ccc;
margin-top: 1em;
padding: 1em;
width: 550px;
background: transparent url(sbbilder/whitecheck.gif);
}
textarea, input
{
padding: 2px 2px 0 5px;
background-color: transparent;
border: 2px outset #666;
}
  


Gregory,

It looks like you have run into one of the fundamental problems with 
styling forms: each browser only allows you so much control.  Our wiki 
page mentions this [1].  I would encourage you to add your findings 
about transparent inputs as a section on that page that others can 
benefit from.

[1] http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=FormElements

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Re: [css-d] database tabular data

2005-12-08 Thread Jesper Brunholm
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 How do I layout css div's to display multi columm tablular data from
 a
database. Up until now I've used tables within an asp loop, with
tr/tr or each row and td/td for each column.

In spite of my post 20 minutes ago (subj: absolute positioning), I 
agree the two other replies that you've had on the list, tabular data 
belongs in tables.

But there is always border-cases, perhaps my the post has something for 
your content. demo here: http://garion.dk/webdesign/scheduling.html


By the way: you mention multi column data, td and tr but not colspan 
and rowspan - I assume that you know these cell-grouping properties?


Kind regards

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Re: [css-d] Hiding rules from FF1.07 on a Mac

2005-12-08 Thread Roger Roelofs
Julian,

On Dec 8, 2005, at 7:30 AM, Julian Voelcker wrote:

 Hi Roger,

 Julie,

 Julian!
I'm so sorry!  I guess I should have had my coffee before reading  
list mail.

 Changing the font size makes no difference in Win or Mac - I'm  
 using FF 1.5
 on Win and 1.07 on the Mac.

 The layout is an interface for a CMS and is a strong mix of dhtml  
 and css -
 I'm just going to have to leave the Mac side of things broken for  
 the time
 being and will revisit it in a few days time.

That is interesting.  I'd be interested in seeing it sometime if that  
is at all possible.  I'd like to create a test case that demonstrates  
the problem so I can construct a reasonable bugzilla entry.

Roger,

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[css-d] It's possible to do that ...

2005-12-08 Thread Reynier Perez Mira
Well I have a web page in this address http://www.jovenclub.cu/grm/ for now. I 
need to build an alternative for JavaScript Menu System positioned in Bottom 
Right at page. Move the mouse over the images Servicios and Directorio and 
see them. It's posible to do something like this using CSS??

King regards

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Re: [css-d] CSS and a DIV

2005-12-08 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
Carlton Gregory wrote:

The below pseudo code basically hides and displays a div

Can I with CSS do the same thing without using JavaScript. I actually
want to hide and show a div with a nested form that has one text input
in it.

Problem is I want to show it in the middle of the page. I want it to
hide when the user clicks submit. 
  


No, CSS cannot do this.  CSS is about presentation, not behavior.  
Granted, it contains hover, which slips into behavior, but it certainly 
can't alter your page when the user clicks.  Use JavaScript.

The less JavaScript the better. Thanks for your time.
  


Any reason why?  Don't answer on list, since it's off-topic -- just 
consider why you think JavaScript is not a good solution for this.

Zoe

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Re: [css-d] ul with padding inside div that has overflow: auto

2005-12-08 Thread medial | André Huf
 Another solution is
 li {list-style: none inside;}

This introduces extra padding on the left of the li in IE6 WinXP.

Is there a better way than fixing this with:

li {
list-style: none inside;
_list-style: none outside;
}

André

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Re: [css-d] absolute positioning??

2005-12-08 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
Jesper Brunholm wrote:

I have an alternativ approach to the solution, using your mentioned 
position: absolute instead of tables, for two reasons:
Firstly, I was horrified by the huge number of table-cells ;-)
Secondly, I wouldn't like to create the engine behind, administrating 
the table-setup.

SO I went for a solution with divs, having a background png for the 
15-minutes-grid and positioning the work/vacation-boxes absolutely, but 
in a position:relative -div themselves, which allows us to maintain 
top: 0; for them and just tell how many pixels=minutes from the 6 
o'clock left-margin we want it to begin, and how many pixels/minutes we 
want them to cover.

It's all here: http://garion.dk/webdesign/scheduling.html, further 
explanations on demand, and if anybody is interessted in the rough and 
tiny PHP code behind some of it, just ask me off-list.
  


While this is a great proof of concept, I wouldn't use it on an actual 
project.  This is really tabular data and belongs in a table.  With this 
sort of layout, there is no underlying semantic meaning that the user 
agent can make sense of without CSS.  Turn off CSS and see what I mean.

Even in an intranet setting where you can assure that everyone has CSS 
turned on, this might not be a good solution because if it needs to be 
significantly restyled it will probably take considerably more work than 
restyling the table would.  With a lot of employees with very different 
schedules, it could also get pretty messy -- a ton of ids to form the 
colored spans for each of their schedules.  Maybe I'm wrong about this 
last though -- maybe the PHP is doing something that makes this far more 
efficient than I can see.

Zoe

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Re: [css-d] Hiding rules from FF1.07 on a Mac

2005-12-08 Thread Julian Voelcker
Hi Philippe,

 Have you   
 checked if your problem also happen on Fx 1.07 Win ?

Not yet.  The system isn't for general release for a few months, when 
it will be released to a closed user group initially - we have been 
working on the basis as setting IE6 and FF1.5 as the standard for 
browsers.

Eventually we will look at support for more browsers, but it will 
always be limited due to the complexity of the interface.

I hadn't actually noticed that I only had 1.0.7 on the Mac - only just 
got it last week (Mac Mini) purely for testing purposes.

Cheers,

Julian Voelcker
Cirencester, United Kingdom


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Re: [css-d] It's possible to do that ...

2005-12-08 Thread David Dorward
On 08/12/05, Reynier Perez Mira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well I have a web page in this address http://www.jovenclub.cu/grm/ for now.
 I need to build an alternative for JavaScript Menu System positioned in
 Bottom Right at page. Move the mouse over the images Servicios and
 Directorio and see them. It's posible to do something like this using
 CSS??

Well, yes and no. Its possible, but it won't work in IE. This sort of
behaviour is better handled with JavaScript anyway - which lets you
add essential usability features (such as the menu not vanishing if
the user can't move the pointing device with a high degree of
precision and thus sliding slighty outside the menu which moving to
the top item, or adding keyboard support so that users who don't (or
can't) use a pointing device at all can use the page).

Another option is to not have a popout menu at all. There are so few
options there that you might as well display them all at once. If
there were a significant number, then a gateway page for each section
is likely to be in order.

As an aside, I noticed that it took about 480k of data transfer to
build that page, which took ages, even over broadband. As a general
rule 50k is the maximum (and even that is an outside, I generally aim
for 30k or less - which you exceeded by a factor of 16!).

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Re: [css-d] It's possible to do that ...

2005-12-08 Thread Reynier Perez Mira
Hello David:
After all thanks for answer my question.

Well, yes and no. Its possible, but it won't work in IE. This sort of 
behaviour is better handled with JavaScript anyway - which lets you add
essential usability features (such as the menu not vanishing if the user can't 
move the pointing device with a high degree of precision and thus 
sliding slighty outside the menu which moving to the top item, or adding 
keyboard support so that users who don't (or
can't) use a pointing device at all can use the page).

I try an alternative because I want that this page perform Web Standars and WAI 
normatives for accessibility and usability. If I have a JavaScript code then 
users doesn't activate JavaScript in there browser or simply don't support it 
(infrequent but ...) won´t use it. So I find for alternative for build a menu 
system and set free the load for page. I think to add a keyboard support but I 
don't know how. 

Another option is to not have a popout menu at all. There are so few options 
there that you might as well display them all at once. If there were a 
significant number, then a gateway page for each section is likely to be in 
order.

This part I really not understand well. Can you be more explicit ??

As an aside, I noticed that it took about 480k of data transfer to build that 
page, which took ages, even over broadband. As a general rule 50k is the 
maximum (and even that is an outside, I generally aim for 30k or less - which 
you exceeded by a factor of 16!).  

Yes, other people say me this problem but I don't know what's happened. I think 
that it maybe is cause for the very many images having in first and others 
page. I find for another layout but it not depend of me if not the web 
dessigner. I´m only take a programming part. You know PHP, JavaScript, CSS, 
XHTML and databases.

So I waiting for your reply

King regards


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Dorward
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 9:00 AM
To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Subject: Re: [css-d] It's possible to do that ...

On 08/12/05, Reynier Perez Mira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well I have a web page in this address http://www.jovenclub.cu/grm/ for now.
 I need to build an alternative for JavaScript Menu System positioned 
 in Bottom Right at page. Move the mouse over the images Servicios 
 and Directorio and see them. It's posible to do something like this 
 using CSS??

Well, yes and no. Its possible, but it won't work in IE. This sort of behaviour 
is better handled with JavaScript anyway - which lets you add essential 
usability features (such as the menu not vanishing if the user can't move the 
pointing device with a high degree of precision and thus sliding slighty 
outside the menu which moving to the top item, or adding keyboard support so 
that users who don't (or
can't) use a pointing device at all can use the page).

Another option is to not have a popout menu at all. There are so few options 
there that you might as well display them all at once. If there were a 
significant number, then a gateway page for each section is likely to be in 
order.

As an aside, I noticed that it took about 480k of data transfer to build that 
page, which took ages, even over broadband. As a general rule 50k is the 
maximum (and even that is an outside, I generally aim for 30k or less - which 
you exceeded by a factor of 16!).

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Re: [css-d] Hiding rules from FF1.07 on a Mac

2005-12-08 Thread Julian Voelcker
Hi Roger,

 That is interesting.  I'd be interested in seeing it sometime if that   
 is at all possible.  I'd like to create a test case that demonstrates   
 the problem so I can construct a reasonable bugzilla entry.

OK, I will see what I can do, but can't promise anything.

What do you need?

Cheers,

Julian Voelcker
Cirencester, United Kingdom


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Re: [css-d] display: table-cell --- why?

2005-12-08 Thread Adam Kuehn
Rolf Mortenson wrote:
Okay... so I recently posted this test page with a different problem,
but I wonder if this would have benefited from display: table-cell or
it's brethren?

http://www.monkeypuzzle.net/testfiles/html_test_gc3/test5.html

Actually, this would have benefited most from an actual table.

The CSS display:table-cell is meant to mimic the display properties 
of a table cell, but without actually having the table semantics at 
the markup level.  So why would you do that?  Table cells in 
traditional HTML have been granted some unique properties.  They have 
the ability to vertically center content with relative ease, for 
example, something that can be difficult to accomplish using other 
display types.  And they have the ability to expand based on the 
content of adjacent elements, something you would otherwise need a 
direct container to accomplish.  And, as someone already mentioned in 
the thread, they have the ability to style arbitrary XML elements and 
make them behave as tables.

But the key in using display: table-* is that you need table-like 
display properties without wanting to have table-like semantics for 
people/machines that don't get or use the styling information.  In 
other words, there are times when those properties can be very handy, 
but it isn't that often.  Most of the time, when you want to see a 
table, you want to actually have a table in the structure, too.

And there is also the difficulty that while display: table-cell and 
its siblings could be useful in certain places in the real world, 
they actually aren't, simply because the vast majority of the 
population uses a browser that doesn't support those values.  Maybe soon.



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[css-d] [ADMIN] On foo, cultural references and subject lines (was: It's possible to do that ...)

2005-12-08 Thread Alex Robinson
At 10:32 -0500 8/12/05, Reynier Perez Mira wrote:
Well .. I check later the page you leave me. What's means foo ?? I 
can't understand complety your sentence because I not know what's 
mean foo.

Soury I'm cuban and pratice english only in this way

Foo means that the word is a variable and you need to substitute it 
with the actual meaning.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo


Remember folks, not everyone speaks English as a first language round 
here. Nor does everyone necessarily understand cultural references 
that seem obvious to you. Especially ones that relate to programming 
culture.

I'm not suggesting that people dumb down or that people on this list 
shouldn't occasionally confront something new (otherwise how are they 
supposed to learn?), but just to remind people that simple, clear 
writing is a winner in any language.


Lastly, always try to write as informative a subject line as you can 
when you start a thread on the list - it really helps the other list 
members to decide whether they even bother to read your message in 
the first place, and then it helps people searching for answers in 
the future which makes the list better for everyone.


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Re: [css-d] It's possible to do that ...

2005-12-08 Thread Reynier Perez Mira
Thanks to all, now I know what's mean foo and bar
King regards 


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-Original Message-
From: Brian Cummiskey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 9:52 AM
To: Reynier Perez Mira; css discuss
Subject: Re: [css-d] It's possible to do that ...

Reynier Perez Mira wrote:
 Well .. I check later the page you leave me. What's means foo ?? I can't 
 understand complety your sentence because I not know what's mean foo.
 
 Soury I'm cuban and pratice english only in this way

Hi Reynier:

foo is a word that is used in programming much like X is used in math.  The 
same goes for bar or, in math, Y.

There is no real value to them.

for example,


if($foo)
{
echo $bar;
}

is a common example used.

Hope this helps.


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Re: [css-d] symmetry: Horizontal centering divs

2005-12-08 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
 I want to have a number of small divs (lets say they have equal width eg
 100px) stacked next to each other but overall centred in a liquid center
 reqion.

snip

 There does not seem to be a complete solution to this, although I would be
 delighted if someone can tell me I am overlooking something.


Published today, at Drew McLellan's 24 ways to impress your friends:
Centered Tabs with CSS by Ethan Marcotte. Enjoy!
http://24ways.org/advent/centered-tabs-with-css

Regards,

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Re: [css-d] absolute positioning??

2005-12-08 Thread Jesper Brunholm
Greg Morphis wrote:

 Hey thanks again for the help..

I'm very happy that you can use it. I still discuss with myself whether 
I have sinned in the eyes of Deus SemantiMaxus, but as long as it works 
and provides the overview intented.

 Quick question.. it says 10px = 15 mins?
 So 40 pxs = 60 minutes or an hour.

There's one funny bogus there, I had overlooked - it appears that the 
rules are a little complicated:

10px = 15 minutes of positioning. (and 40px=60min)

but

(10-5)px = 15 minutes of timespan, as
(40-5=35)px = 1hour of timespan

And actually it should be -6 there, namely 2x2pixel padding + 2 pixel 
border that we don't want covered.

There's a small padding on the .work and .vacancy classes, which we have 
to allow for. We could take it out, but then we would still have the 
right-border covered, which isn't nice. So instead:

if you change
div.work, div.vacate {
position: absolute;
top: 0;
border: 0;
}

to

div.work, div.vacate {
position: absolute;
top: 0;
border: 0;
padding: 2px 1px 2px 2px;
}

Then it's there - deduct 5 pixels from the found width, and it fits.

I've changed my example a bit online 
http://garion.dk/webdesign/scheduling.html - but only to demonstrate 
the change mentioned above.

Kind regards

Jesper Brunholm


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Re: [css-d] CSS and a DIV

2005-12-08 Thread Carlton Gregory
Thank you I agree that part of it is javascript but I think that part
has to do with layers and a z-index with absolute positioning ( CSS ? )

A visual of what Im trying to do is here

us.f1.yahoofs.com/bc/3f944399_2f13/bc/DocDesign/HEWV.pdf?bft2FmDBZdclnjs
z

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Gillenwater
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 8:17 AM
To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Subject: Re: [css-d] CSS and a DIV

Carlton Gregory wrote:

The below pseudo code basically hides and displays a div

Can I with CSS do the same thing without using JavaScript. I actually
want to hide and show a div with a nested form that has one text input
in it.

Problem is I want to show it in the middle of the page. I want it to
hide when the user clicks submit. 
  


No, CSS cannot do this.  CSS is about presentation, not behavior.  
Granted, it contains hover, which slips into behavior, but it certainly 
can't alter your page when the user clicks.  Use JavaScript.

The less JavaScript the better. Thanks for your time.
  


Any reason why?  Don't answer on list, since it's off-topic -- just 
consider why you think JavaScript is not a good solution for this.

Zoe

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Re: [css-d] CSS and a DIV

2005-12-08 Thread Carlton Gregory
This is exactly what I want to do. Don't know if the CSS part is the
best way  or not. Thanks for all responses, your time is appreciated.

http://www.geocities.com/technofundo/tech/js/showhide.html#

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Gregory
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 12:27 PM
To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Subject: Re: [css-d] CSS and a DIV

Thank you I agree that part of it is javascript but I think that part
has to do with layers and a z-index with absolute positioning ( CSS ? )

A visual of what Im trying to do is here

us.f1.yahoofs.com/bc/3f944399_2f13/bc/DocDesign/HEWV.pdf?bft2FmDBZdclnjs
z

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Gillenwater
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 8:17 AM
To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Subject: Re: [css-d] CSS and a DIV

Carlton Gregory wrote:

The below pseudo code basically hides and displays a div

Can I with CSS do the same thing without using JavaScript. I actually
want to hide and show a div with a nested form that has one text input
in it.

Problem is I want to show it in the middle of the page. I want it to
hide when the user clicks submit. 
  


No, CSS cannot do this.  CSS is about presentation, not behavior.  
Granted, it contains hover, which slips into behavior, but it certainly 
can't alter your page when the user clicks.  Use JavaScript.

The less JavaScript the better. Thanks for your time.
  


Any reason why?  Don't answer on list, since it's off-topic -- just 
consider why you think JavaScript is not a good solution for this.

Zoe

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[css-d] CSS Style Switcher

2005-12-08 Thread Christine Harcinske
Hello,

I'm working on a project for a college web design class and would love to use 
alternate style sheets. I have been trying to use Paul Sowden's article at A 
List Apart (http://www.alistapart.com/stories/alternate/) as a guide, but I'm 
running into some snags. The styles switch fine, but I can't seem to get the 
cookie to stick, so when I browse to another page in my site, it reverts back 
to the default CSS style. I have a feeling I am missing something really 
obvious. I'm not sure if I needed to do any editing to Paul's styleswitcher.js 
file or not - I didn't touch it as he didn't mention that it needed to be 
edited.

After looking around the internet and not finding where my problem might lie, 
I've come to beg for help. :) If anyone notices something off or has 
suggestions, I would be deeply grateful. My in-progress site is currently 
located at: http://www.chaotic-equilibrium.com/index-new.html

Many thanks!
Christine
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Re: [css-d] Styling Listboxes (in IE?)

2005-12-08 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
Kevin Cannon wrote:

On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 12:42:55PM +, Kevin Cannon wrote:
  

I'm having an unusual problem with styling a listbox in IE.
www.treacymowers.ie/index2.php

I'm just changing the font-size and colour. It works fine in Firefox. In IE,
the rendering is odd, but if you minimize IE and then Restore it, then it
works fine. I've never seen IE behave like this, and I'm at a bit of a loss.



Also, apologies for forgetting to post up the CSS:
http://www.treacymowers.ie/inc/treacy_sections.css

#front-page #content div.right select, 
#front-page #content div.right select option { 
   font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
   color: #99;
   font-size: 11px;
   }

Although, I don't actually think it's an issue with CSS rule's specifically.

Since the original posting I've noticed that the problem does not seemt o
happen on a local machine. If I copy the generated HTML  CSS Internet
Explorer does not demonstrate the error.
  


Kevin,

It appears you never received any answers to this question.  This might 
be due to the fact that you replied to an existing message to start your 
thread, so your message likely got buried in many people's inboxes.

When I look at your page in both FF and IE in Windows, the select box 
looks the same, except that the scrollbar is missing in IE.  The font 
size and color are unaffected in either and they just show my browser/OS 
defaults.  This is usually the case with select boxes.

Perhaps you are on a Mac and the browsers there do not rely on the OS as 
much for list widget styling?

Zoe

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Re: [css-d] CSS Style Switcher

2005-12-08 Thread Christian Montoya
On 12/8/05, Christine Harcinske [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello,

 I'm working on a project for a college web design class and would love to use 
 alternate style sheets. I have been trying to use Paul Sowden's article at A 
 List Apart (http://www.alistapart.com/stories/alternate/) as a guide, but I'm 
 running into some snags.

Maybe if I share my code with you, you might find the problem. My
switcher uses this to write the cookie:

?php
setcookie ('sitestyle', $set, time()+31536000, '/', 'rdpdesign.com', '0');
header(Location: $HTTP_REFERER);
?

I then have this for the stylesheet link tag:

link rel=stylesheet type=text/css media=screen title=user defined
href=?php echo (!$sitestyle)?'default':$sitestyle ?.css /

link rel=alternate stylesheet type=text/css media=screen
title=access href=/access.css /

and this for the switcher links:

a href=/switcher.php?set=defaultDefault Style/a
a href=/switcher.php?set=accessHigh Contrast/a

So clicking the links sets the variable $set to default or access,
then when the page reloads it writes the variable $set to the
'sitestyle' cookie, and then the link tag is written with the variable
$sitestyle that comes from the cookie.

Hopefully your mail client didn't eat up those tags. Let me know if this helps.

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Re: [css-d] CSS Style Switcher

2005-12-08 Thread Christian Montoya
On 12/8/05, Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 12/8/05, Christine Harcinske
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ...
 ...

Apologies to list if all that was off topic.

Christine, make sure you have cookies enabled when you are testing
this. Please reply off-list if the admin does declare this thread
off-topic.

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Re: [css-d] CSS Style Switcher

2005-12-08 Thread David Laakso
Christine Harcinske wrote:

Hello,

I'm working on a project for a college web design class and would love to use 
alternate style sheets. I have been trying to use Paul Sowden's article at A 
List Apart (http://www.alistapart.com/stories/alternate/) as a guide, but I'm 
running into some snags. The styles switch fine, but I can't seem to get the 
cookie to stick, so when I browse to another page in my site, it reverts back 
to the default CSS style. I have a feeling I am missing something really 
obvious. I'm not sure if I needed to do any editing to Paul's styleswitcher.js 
file or not - I didn't touch it as he didn't mention that it needed to be 
edited.
After looking around the internet and not finding where my problem might lie, 
I've come to beg for help. :) If anyone notices something off or has 
suggestions, I would be deeply grateful. My in-progress site is currently 
located at: http://www.chaotic-equilibrium.com/index-new.html
Many thanks!
Christine

I have no clue. But it does seem to me someone may have their priorities 
confused.
Your page is unreadable in every browsers on earth, Internet Explorer 
can not zoom fonts set in pixels, and why are you using tables to layout 
a page that essentially has no tabular data?
If you want to convert that 1990s table layout to a contemporary CSS 
layout that is readable, contact me off-list next week(I will be away 
until Monday).
Either way, I wish you well.
Best,
~dL
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[css-d] Firefox 1.5 link jumping problem

2005-12-08 Thread Smith, Sarah
This problem wasn't present in Firefox 1.0.x versions, but it is present
in Firefox 1.5. When I right or left click a link on the page (other
than the top green nav bar links), the page jumps. The jump occurs
because the last link, Children, in the nav bar is jumping down a
line. I don't have this problem on the homepages, just on the content
pages. See http://www.fresnolibrary.org/child/prch/index.html for an
example. I have no idea what's going on. Please help!!! TIA...

Sarah

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[css-d] [ADMIN - OFFTOPIC] Re: CSS Style Switcher

2005-12-08 Thread Alex Robinson
Apologies to list if all that was off topic.

Christine, make sure you have cookies enabled when you are testing
this. Please reply off-list if the admin does declare this thread
off-topic.


Yep. It is indeed off topic.

There is absolutely no reason for this list to ever see a single 
snippet of PHP/Perl/Java/Python/Ruby/Lisp/ASP (or whatever your 
favourite programming language is).

Let's stick to the practical use of CSS please.


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[css-d] Layout question

2005-12-08 Thread Jonathan Carter
I'm trying to design a layout that splits the vertical space of the page 
into two sections: the header, and the body. I want to header to be a 
fixed height, and I want the body height to be 100% of the rest of the 
page/viewport. What would be the best way to implement this? Thanks for 
your help.

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[css-d] True scalable, rounded buttons with CSS and images.

2005-12-08 Thread Craig Morris
Recently, a project I was working on required some rounded buttons as 
menu items.

1. They needed to be pill-shaped like a Tylenol caplet.
2. The buttons would be on a background image and had to flow across it 
naturally.
3. The buttons would only hold one or two words, and always on one line 
of text. There would never be images inside the buttons.
4. The buttons needed to allow for scaling of the text inside without 
breaking the design.
5. The buttons themselves needed to scale as the text inside grew/shrank.
6. They couldn't rely on Javascript or any other kind of voodoo.

I came up with a solution based on images and CSS that does allow the 
buttons to scale with the text.  It's a little clunky, but it's the best 
I've seen.  I was hoping to get some help on refining the process.

Two problems:
First,  the whole setup blows up if CSS is off (that's not a huge issue 
for me, but it might be to some people).  Second, the whole button isn't 
a clickable link right now, just the text on it is.
I've got a tutorial up for people to see what I've done so far and all 
of the code is available there.
The tutorial is located at 
http://www.writtenconspiracy.com/rounded_buttons/

Mostly I'm just sharing, but I think people will find this useful and 
hopefully someone can find some solutions for the problems it has.  I'll 
gladly take any feedback that people have on it.

Thanks!
Craig



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Re: [css-d] list-style: isn't styling in IE6...

2005-12-08 Thread Jeff Ross


On Wed, 7 Dec 2005, Jeff Ross wrote:



 On Wed, 7 Dec 2005, Jeff Ross wrote:

  I've got this page

   http://voices.wykids.org/ecds/

  with stylesheets
 
 http: //voices.wykids.org/stylesheets/main.css
 http: //voices.wykids.org/stylesheets/ie.css

  This page contains several unordered lists but I'm unable to get
  list-style: to display _any_ type in IE.  FF does just fine.  I can make
  changes to my ie-specific stylesheet and see those changes in IE, so the
  stylesheet is being loaded and parsed.

  I've got a feeling this is going to be something simple, but I can't see
  it.

  Thanks for any other eyes that would like to peer in!

  Jeff Ross
 

 Apologies to those that have checked and couldn't download two of the 
 list-style-types that are images.  I forgot to commit them into cvs before I 
 did the last cvs up.  The problem still remains, though.

 Jeff Ross


Replying to my own post for the sake of the archives:

In the ie.css specific file referenced above, I had this version of 
the Holly Hack

/* Fix IE. Hide from IE Mac \*/
* html ul li {float: left;height: 1%; }
* html ul li a {height: 1%;}
/* End */
/*

that I found it in

http://www.alistapart.com/articles/horizdropdowns

That fixed the problem with my navigation div, but was responsible for IE 
not styling my ul.

I fixed this by altering the above to a more specific version in ie.css:

div#navigation ul li {
   float: left;
   height: 1%;
}

div#navigation ul li a {
   height: 1%;
}

and my uls suddenly have list-styles!  Some have _two_ list-styles in 
fact, but I'll start woking on that next :-)

Thanks to all of the eyes that looked at the site!

Jeff Ross



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Re: [css-d] Firefox 1.5 link jumping problem

2005-12-08 Thread Ingo Chao
Smith, Sarah wrote:
 This problem wasn't present in Firefox 1.0.x versions, but it is present
 in Firefox 1.5. When I right or left click a link on the page (other
 than the top green nav bar links), the page jumps. The jump occurs
 because the last link, Children, in the nav bar is jumping down a
 line. I don't have this problem on the homepages, just on the content
 pages. See http://www.fresnolibrary.org/child/prch/index.html for an
 example. I have no idea what's going on. Please help!!! TIA...

This does not look nice.
http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/tmp/05120801.html

Georg's fix does it's job.

Is the negative margin on #menu a triggering this bug?

Ingo

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[css-d] clearing a float without clearing another float

2005-12-08 Thread Jeniffer C. Johnson
I've run into this problem a few times lately, and have yet to figure out
how to resolve it. Here is the test page: 

http://offlead.com/stuff/floattest/index.html

CSS is in the file. 

div#column is floated left of div#content. (These are nested within #page
and #wrapper divs that are used to set a background image and create a right
side margin on this layout, while allowing the width of the content div to
remain fluid.)

Within div#content, I have a floated div to contain product images. The
first part of the content needs to wrap around div.thumbnail, as shown. But
this copy may or may not exceed the overall height of div.thumbnail,
depending on how many thumbs there are to display, and how much intro copy
there is about the product. Following the introductory blurb, I need the
next piece of content to drop down below the div.thumbnail. This second
level of copy may start with a paragraph, an h3, or a table, but the key
here is that I need it to clear that thumbnail div. But if I set whatever
the block element is to clear left, it now drops down to sit on the page
below the div#column height, as shown here:
http://offlead.com/stuff/floattest/index2.html

Is there a way to clear the bottom of the thumbnail div without clearing the
bottom of the column div? 

Jeniffer




Jeniffer C. Johnson
OffLead Productions
http://www.offlead.com




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[css-d] Vertically scrollable and fluid container

2005-12-08 Thread Jonathan Carter
I have a div that I want to be vertically scrollable and fluid at the 
same time by using absolute positioning. In FF this works nicely, but in 
IE it doesn't want to scroll the div because of the lack of a set 
height. Is there any way around this issue? I'm probably doing this the 
wrong way, so let me know if there's a better approach. Any help would 
be appreciated.

Here is my CSS:

div#Content
{
bottom: 0;
left: 240px;
overflow: auto;
position: absolute;
right: 0;
top: 10px;
}

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Re: [css-d] Need help figuring out how to implement a page layout

2005-12-08 Thread Christian Montoya
On 12/7/05, Mike Soultanian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Here's what I'd like: Left nav column to be a fixed width, calendar
 column to be fixed, calendar details (right-most column) liquid.  Also,
 just so you know, the rest of the site pages have a fixed nav with fluid
 content).

 My problem is I don't know how to implement this.  I've been researching
 and found the following:

 1. I found this simple 2-column layout page:

 http://realworldstyle.com/2col.html

 It doesn't use any hacks and seems to work in many browsers.  For the
 calendar page, I was thinking of nesting another 2-column layout within
 the content side which would give me fixed-fixed-liquid columns.


Not a bad idea, usually done that way.

 2. Our campus web developers came up with a layout method where they
 float every column to the left like so:

 http://www.csulb.edu/divisions/dt/


They didn't come up with that, though I'm sure they are smart guys.
Floats is the de-facto way to create columns with CSS.

 Is there any reason I can't just set fixed widths on the columns that I
 want fixed and then set percentages on the columns I want fluid?  It
 seems like it could work, but it just seems to easy...


Better: Make column 1 and 2 fixed, and column 3 width:auto, so it
fills the rest of the available space. Or, float column 1 and 2 left,
and make column 3 have a margin-left of the combined width of 1 and 2.
That should give the exact behavior you want.

Try something out, give us a url and we can help you from there.

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Re: [css-d] Hiding rules from FF1.07 on a Mac

2005-12-08 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
Julian,

On 8 Dec 2005, at 10:30 pm, Julian Voelcker wrote:

 Hi Philippe,

 Have you
 checked if your problem also happen on Fx 1.07 Win ?

 Not yet.  The system isn't for general release for a few months, when
 it will be released to a closed user group initially - we have been
 working on the basis as setting IE6 and FF1.5 as the standard for
 browsers.

 Eventually we will look at support for more browsers, but it will
 always be limited due to the complexity of the interface.

 I hadn't actually noticed that I only had 1.0.7 on the Mac - only just
 got it last week (Mac Mini) purely for testing purposes.

I would appreciate if you did some quick tests with a Firefox 1.5  
Mac, to see if the problem still happens there.

You can also use the latest Camino builds (1.0b1), which are  
identical to Firefox 1.5 as far as the core rendering engine is  
concerned.

http://www.caminobrowser.org/

If the problem still occurs, could you save the offending page as a  
stand alone thing ? I could then build a simplified test case out of  
it. Thanks.

Philippe
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Re: [css-d] Why extra space in layout with IE 6 and not others?

2005-12-08 Thread Tango
Dan Moriarty wrote:

I have a layout problem on this page:
http://invision-optical.com/collections/

Why is there a bunch of extra space, vertically, between my main product
image and the table below, listing product numbers? This is only in IE 6,
but not in Safari on Mac, or Firefox on Windows?
There¹s an image and then a table starts right after the image.

Thanks for any help out there.

The relevant CSS here is as follows:

#collection_holder{
 float:left;
 width:742px;
 margin-bottom:10px;
 padding-bottom:60px;
 background: url(/images_template/bg_collection.gif);
 }

#collection_sidebar{
 float:left;
 width:150px
 padding:10px;
 }

#collection_content table{
text-align:center;
 }

#collection_content{
 margin-left:160px;
 background: #fff;
text-align:center;
 color:#000;
  }

#collection_text{
margin-left:160px;
padding:10px;
}

  

Not sure as I am running 64bit mozilla and it appears fine, but I would
like to suggest that you start by validating the code.  It currently
contains 52 errors.

Just above the table in question you have an UL without an opening tag. 
I would start there.

Tango
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[css-d] Wordpress Themes and CSS Tutorial

2005-12-08 Thread Richard Brown
Hi All

For all those that use Wordpress, this is a tutorial on putting 
together a WP theme. I know many people might be thinking this is OT 
but I assure you it is not. This tutorial also includes a look at css 
and styling techniques. Indeed the opening stance is to empty the 
original CSS files and start to create a new css file.

I do hope this might prove useful to folks who need to learn how to 
style a WP theme.

The tutorial can be found at: http://www.urbangiraffe.com/themes/.

Thanks

Rich
http://www.cregy.co.uk
So here's what I want you to do, God helping you: Take your everyday, 
ordinary life--your sleeping, eating, going-to-work, and walking-around 
life--and place it before God as an offering. Embracing what God does 
for you is the best thing you can do for him. Romans 12 v 1

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Re: [css-d] Wordpress Themes and CSS Tutorial

2005-12-08 Thread Andy Skelton
This thread seemed like an auspicious cue for an introducion. Hello,
I'm Andy Skelton, I help develop WordPress and I just joined the list
a few hours ago. I was struggling with a CSS issue in the WP admin
screens (IE textarea explosion) and I found the answer in the CSS-D
archives. Thanks!

See you around,
Andy
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