[css-d] [RE-POST] anchor focus in opera and IE
Hi all, I've re-posted to hopefully get some information.
If no-one has a solution to my problem below would you be able to tell me if
anchor focus normally works in Opera and IE?
Thanks. Original post follows:
My query is about an accessibility feature I'm trying to do with css. This
post is not about accessibility pros and cons, etc (which I know is
off-topic) but about css techniques.
Example page and code:
html:
http://public.softectra.com/dev/lang/markup/css/cssd/081205_1/index.html
css:
http://public.softectra.com/dev/lang/markup/css/cssd/081205_1/css/good_brows
ers.css
ie:
http://public.softectra.com/dev/lang/markup/css/cssd/081205_1/css/ie_fix.css
Note there is only 1 page, none of the links on it will take you anywhere.
I've created some anchors that are only visible if they receive focus, e.g.
with a keyboard tab. I set the text colour the same as the background
colour so its invisible, then when the anchor has focus I change the colours
so it is visible.
.skip {
position: absolute;
}
/* Skip only shown on focus, to skip over sections. */
.skip:link, .skip:visited, .skip:hover, .skip:active, .skip:focus {
color: #fff;
}
.skip:focus {
background-color: #fc0;
color: #000;
}
I'm testing with FF 1.0.7, Opera 8.5, and IE 6.0 on Win XP SP2 (and Lynx
2.8.5).
Everything works perfectly in FF but not in Opera or IE.
Opera seems to work with its own keyboard tab feature, maybe an option I
don't know about, either way I don't see my styles. In IE I can't see
anything.
Is Opera ignoring the :focus?
Does IE need a special fix?
Any suggestions greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
Mark.
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[css-d] Site check: Cornell PRSSA and sub site
Hello all, I have a site due Friday night and I'm just about done with all the CSS. Please visit: http://temp.rdpdesign.com/final/ There's the main site, and a link at the bottom to switch to a simple style, and then there's also the sub site, which is at: http://temp.rdpdesign.com/final/ivy/ which also has an alternate stylesheet. I ran into a lot of bugs while working on the site and I was able to fix or workaround them for FF, IE, and Opera, all on Windows, but I have no idea what it looks like in Mac or Linux, as well as older browsers. Thanks in advance! -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.com ... rdpdesign.com ... cssliquid.com __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] [RE-POST] anchor focus in opera and IE
Mark Batty wrote: Hi all, I've re-posted to hopefully get some information. If no-one has a solution to my problem below would you be able to tell me if anchor focus normally works in Opera and IE? :focus is not implemented in IE6, one workaround is the use of the :active pseudo-class Ingo -- http://www.satzansatz.de/css.html __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Site check: Cornell PRSSA and sub site
Christian Montoya wrote: Hello all, I have a site due Friday night and I'm just about done with all the CSS. Please visit: http://temp.rdpdesign.com/final/ There's the main site, and a link at the bottom to switch to a simple style, and then there's also the sub site, which is at: http://temp.rdpdesign.com/final/ivy/ When expanding the text in FF1.5 the tabs fall off completely. Two clicks and calandar is gone. Rob -- _ Rob Cochrane Website: http://www.by-rob.com/ Blog:http://blog.by-rob.com/ Owing to the general nature of emails this email may be read by anyone who happens to have it appear in their in-box. I would never be so dumb stupid as to send confidential or secret information via an open unencrypted email. If you are not the named recipient please feel free to use, disseminate or reproduce by any means you desire. Please don't bother to let me know. Any views expressed herein could be those of anyone intercepting this email, myself or some other person or entity. I actually don't care! If you don't like the views expressed ... deal with it! If you want to get all legal then remember that emails are constantly and routinely intercepted by governments and agencies, nefarious characters and anyone else with the capability worldwide who do so with impunity and are able to edit a communication to their own desire. _ As a voter and taxpayer in your Country or a shareholder in a Company you may wish to ask why these organisations are spending billions of your money on proprietary software where equivalent or better open source software exists at a fraction of the cost of implementing the proprietary software. Insist on OASIS Standard OpenDocument format for transmission and exchange of data. Implement an open source suit like OpenOffice.org 2 available at http://www.openoffice.org/ Use an open source email client like Thunderbird available here: http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/ Your browsing experience would be improved with one of these browsers: http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ http://www.opera.com/ http://browser.netscape.com/ns8/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Site check: Cornell PRSSA and sub site
Christian Montoya wrote: Hello all, I have a site due Friday night and I'm just about done with all the CSS. Please visit: http://temp.rdpdesign.com/final/ 17 Linux/Mac/Win2000 captures http://www.browsercam.com/public.aspx?proj_id=212715 http://temp.rdpdesign.com/final/ivy/ 19 Linux/Mac/Win2000 captures http://www.browsercam.com/public.aspx?proj_id=212713 Christian Montoya Getting lateral page shift on both sites at 1280. Best, ~dL __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] was Paragraphs and floats, now bulleted list.
Hi All, Thanks to those that posted the solution for paragraphs clearing to a new line from a previous paragraph. clear:both; But I still had the problem of text wrapping around the little icons I had for each paragraph. I tried loads of things, nowrap, div containers etc., but nothing worked in an efficient way. Then I had an idea of using a liul tags to create the effect I was after. Could you kind peeps please check out the below site and check this is okay on different browsers (browsershots takes ages) before I implement it throughout our countryside history pages. temp page http://www.tboult.co.uk/temp/temp.html main css for the paragraphs http://www.tboult.co.uk/temp/paragraphs.css Cheers everyone Trevor http://www.tboult.co.uk __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] [RE-POST] anchor focus in opera and IE
On 9 Dec 2005, at 5:11 pm, Mark Batty wrote: Is Opera ignoring the :focus? Not really, but they ignore the :focus pseudo-class in favour of their own mechanisms. Things change a bit in Opera 9 preview, where your skip link is visible. Philippe --- Philippe Wittenbergh http://emps.l-c-n.com/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Generated content [WAS Re: True scalable, rounded buttons with CSS and images.]
Craig Morris wrote: Christian Montoya wrote: One solution would be to add the img tags in as CSS generated content, but that is not widely supported. I'm unfamiliar with this. For my project the images have to be in the markup itself, so it doesn't sound like it's an option for me. But I'll have to look into it for the example. Thanks for the tip! With generated content, the content is in the markup -- it's just put there by the CSS. So when CSS is off, it's no longer there. It shouldn't be used like crazy, but is good for generating custom bullets, creating clearing elements, and pulling the href value of links into the text of the page when it prints. Here's the spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/generate.html Here's an article: http://www.westciv.com/style_master/academy/css_tutorial/advanced/generated_content.html And a whole lot more: http://www.blingo.com/search?q=css+generated+contentx=0y=0 Sadly, there doesn't appear to be a wiki page on the topic yet: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=GeneratedContent (sad, empty page just waiting for someone to fill it up!) Zoe -- Zoe M. Gillenwater Design Services Manager UNC Highway Safety Research Center http://www.hsrc.unc.edu __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] was Paragraphs and floats, now bulleted list.
Trevor Boult wrote:
But I still had the problem of text wrapping around the little icons I had
for each paragraph. I tried loads of things, nowrap, div containers
etc., but nothing worked in an efficient way.
http://www.tboult.co.uk/temp/temp.html
main css for the paragraphs
http://www.tboult.co.uk/temp/paragraphs.css
Trevor
Trevor, whether any of the below stuff corrects the problem of the text
overlapping the images at text size 'smaller' and 'smallest' in
XP_SP/IE6.0, remains to be seen, nevertheless:
--You have no doctype. Tidy Online http://infohound.net/tidy/ will
assign one for you and correct the mark-up errors so that the html will
validate.
-- You have no background-color assigned: consequently, your page is
black on fuchsia in my machine
-- Validate the css (you ignore most of the warnings except for the one
above)
-- Computers have a difficult time setting fonts, period. Your unserifed
justified and letter-spaced content text is a typographic nightmare.
Text-align: left; with no letter-spacing and line-height expressed as a
raw number will do just fine.
--In coutryside_history.css consider re-setting:
body {font-family:'Verdana','luxi sans','Arial','sans serif';}
to:
body { font: 200 100.01%/1.2 'Lucida Grande', 'Nimbus Sans', 'Luxi
Sans', Arial, sans-serif; }
and changing this:
p {
/* font-size: 0.8em;
font-weight: normal;
letter-spacing: 0.2mm;
font-style: normal;
font-variant: normal;
text-align: justify;
line-height: 1.6em;*/
margin-top: 0.7em;
margin-bottom: 0.7em;
}
Best,
~dL
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Re: [css-d] [RE-POST] anchor focus in opera and IE
:focus is not implemented in IE6, one workaround is the use of the
:active pseudo-class
Thanks Ingo, that seemed to work.
If anyone is interested, I had to do this ...
/* IE doesn't use focus so we use active instead. */
* a:active {
text-decoration: none;
color: #c60;
}
#announce a:active {
text-decoration: none;
color: #fff;
}
.vnav ul li a:active {
background-color: #72b5e6;
}
.vnav_first:active {
background: #469df2 url(../images/vnav_tlh.gif) no-repeat top left;
}
.vnav_last:active {
background: #469df2 url(../images/vnav_brh.gif) no-repeat bottom right;
}
.hnav ul li a:active {
color: #c60;
}
.skip:active {
background-color: #fc0;
color: #000;
z-index: 1;
}
Mark.
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Re: [css-d] symmetry: Horizontal centering divs
David Laakso wrote: Nick Fitzsimons wrote: Published today, at Drew McLellan's 24 ways to impress your friends: Centered Tabs with CSS by Ethan Marcotte. Enjoy! http://24ways.org/advent/centered-tabs-with-css Bingo! Filed under 'dated.' David, Can you please explain why you think the method shown at the referenced URL is dated rather than just declaring it so? We appreciate it if list members don't send just a URL without an explanation, or a cryptic comment without an explanation, or state their opinion without making it clear that it is an opinion or providing information to back it up. It will help everyone here learn CSS better and be able to avoid dated methods in the future. Thanks, Zoe Gillenwater css-d list moderator __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] was Paragraphs and floats, now bulleted list.
Cheers for the tips David. I should have pointed out the code sample is
copied out from the original page, hence no doc type.
I'll see if the changes makes a difference to the font sizes.
Cheers
Trevor
From: David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Trevor Boult [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Subject: Re: [css-d] was Paragraphs and floats, now bulleted list.
Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2005 07:41:41 -0500
Trevor Boult wrote:
But I still had the problem of text wrapping around the little icons I
had
for each paragraph. I tried loads of things, nowrap, div containers
etc., but nothing worked in an efficient way.
http://www.tboult.co.uk/temp/temp.html
main css for the paragraphs
http://www.tboult.co.uk/temp/paragraphs.css
Trevor
Trevor, whether any of the below stuff corrects the problem of the text
overlapping the images at text size 'smaller' and 'smallest' in
XP_SP/IE6.0, remains to be seen, nevertheless:
--You have no doctype. Tidy Online http://infohound.net/tidy/ will
assign one for you and correct the mark-up errors so that the html will
validate.
-- You have no background-color assigned: consequently, your page is
black on fuchsia in my machine
-- Validate the css (you ignore most of the warnings except for the one
above)
-- Computers have a difficult time setting fonts, period. Your unserifed
justified and letter-spaced content text is a typographic nightmare.
Text-align: left; with no letter-spacing and line-height expressed as a
raw number will do just fine.
--In coutryside_history.css consider re-setting:
body {font-family:'Verdana','luxi sans','Arial','sans serif';}
to:
body { font: 200 100.01%/1.2 'Lucida Grande', 'Nimbus Sans', 'Luxi
Sans', Arial, sans-serif; }
and changing this:
p {
/* font-size: 0.8em;
font-weight: normal;
letter-spacing: 0.2mm;
font-style: normal;
font-variant: normal;
text-align: justify;
line-height: 1.6em;*/
margin-top: 0.7em;
margin-bottom: 0.7em;
}
Best,
~dL
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Re: [css-d] Why extra space in layout with IE 6 and not others?
Dan Moriarty wrote: I have a layout problem on this page: http://invision-optical.com/collections/ Why is there a bunch of extra space, vertically, between my main product image and the table below, listing product numbers? This is only in IE 6, but not in Safari on Mac, or Firefox on Windows? There¹s an image and then a table starts right after the image. It looks as though the table is starting beneath the left sidebar, which sounds like a float drop. This usually occurs because IE thinks there isn't enough room to display both side by side. Check out this article for some of the causes and solutions: http://nemesis1.f2o.org/aarchive?id=11 An easy way to test this would be to set the text size to larger, which would make the sidebar longer, and see if the table moved down a corresponding amount. But unfortunately you've set text sizes in pixels, which means that IE users can't resize them if they need to, while everyone else can, giving you a false sense of security and making the web site less usable for some IE users. Especially since this is an eyeglasses site, I would think you would be concerned about catering to an audience with poor vision. :-) I suggest not using pixels for sizing text and using percentages instead. This is a sensitive topic, however, so I urge you to read the information at the wiki instead of getting into a debate over the merits of each option on the list. http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=UsingPixels Thanks, Zoe -- Zoe M. Gillenwater Design Services Manager UNC Highway Safety Research Center http://www.hsrc.unc.edu __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Windows browsers site check, please
Jacob Reiff wrote: http://tinyurl.com/7tydr I had a screenshot sent to me that looked like the left main content was dropping beneath the sidebar content, which is floated right and comes first in the source. When I check it on IE6, I don't see a float drop (though you probably have that too) -- I see only the header and the very top of the headline on the first post, and that's it. The rest of the page has the background but is blank. Refreshing, minimizing, switching windows -- none of it fixed it. However, don't despair -- I'm sure it can be fixed easily with one of the standard IE hacks. My first guess would be to put position: relative on the contain div and see if that clears it up. Zoe -- Zoe M. Gillenwater Design Services Manager UNC Highway Safety Research Center http://www.hsrc.unc.edu __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Problem with float: left and IE
Hi there, I have a problem with a quite complex layout that (of course) works in FF but (also of course) not in IE. A test case is at: http://www.bigjelly.com/css/test.htm Which demonstrates the problem in a simplified layout. The content is floated left, so that all content that appears subsequently in the document should pop-up to the right of the main content div. This is what happens in FF. In IE however, the extra content clears the float and begins below the content box. The problem still occurs with the simpler test case of stripping out the header and absolutely positioned box too. This is a really simple problem, but I couldn't find the right place to look for the solution :( Cheers. Mike -- _ CBJ Digital Ltd. http://www.cbjdigital.com/ _ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] IE and :hover pseudoclass?
Is this any use? http://www.xs4all.nl/~peterned/csshover.html Design Groups wrote: I need to have a div class have the border color change when moused over. I can do it just fine in Mozilla - but, of course, it's not functioning in IE. _ CBJ Digital Ltd. http://www.cbjdigital.com/ _ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Problem with float: left and IE
Hi I think the problem is the width. I tried setting the width of the sidebar boxes to 30% and they jumped right into place. Then again, maybe you really need them to be 250px. Michiel Mike Thirlwell (CBJ Digital Ltd) wrote: Hi there, I have a problem with a quite complex layout that (of course) works in FF but (also of course) not in IE. A test case is at: http://www.bigjelly.com/css/test.htm Which demonstrates the problem in a simplified layout. The content is floated left, so that all content that appears subsequently in the document should pop-up to the right of the main content div. This is what happens in FF. In IE however, the extra content clears the float and begins below the content box. The problem still occurs with the simpler test case of stripping out the header and absolutely positioned box too. This is a really simple problem, but I couldn't find the right place to look for the solution :( Cheers. Mike __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Problem with float: left and IE
Found another solution:
#content { display:inline} /* this fixes the double margin bug */
#sidebar1, #sidebar2 {width:auto}
Michiel
Mike Thirlwell (CBJ Digital Ltd) wrote:
Hi there,
I have a problem with a quite complex layout that (of course) works in
FF but (also of course) not in IE. A test case is at:
http://www.bigjelly.com/css/test.htm
Which demonstrates the problem in a simplified layout.
The content is floated left, so that all content that appears
subsequently in the document should pop-up to the right of the main
content div. This is what happens in FF. In IE however, the extra
content clears the float and begins below the content box. The problem
still occurs with the simpler test case of stripping out the header and
absolutely positioned box too.
This is a really simple problem, but I couldn't find the right place to
look for the solution :(
Cheers.
Mike
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Re: [css-d] Windows browsers site check, please - jaacob
Jacob Reiff wrote Thu, 8 Dec 2005 21:47:50 -0800:
http://tinyurl.com/7tydr
You're specifying: font-family: Lucida Grande, Lucida Sans,
Helvetica, Arial, san-serif;, which on many windoze systems, which
almost never have Lucida Grande, but do have both Lucida Sans and
Lucida Sans Unicode, will get you this:
http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/SS/jacobr1.jpg
Lucida Sans Unicode will not do that to .entry.
Note that your .entry text is considerably smaller than my browser UI
text. That's not good either:
http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/defaultsize.html#note1
Here's what can result from your use of the Clagnut body: 62.5%
font-sizing technique (you're seeing Lucida Sans Unicode here, BTW):
http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/SS/jacobr2.jpg
This results from one of the most basic of user defenses against too
small text, a user stylesheet with one simple rule:
body {font-size: medium !important;}
If I tweak that rule to:
body, .entry {font-size: medium !important;
line-height: normal !important}
.entry reads a lot better, with a whole heap less scrolling per
paragraph:
http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/SS/jacobr3.jpg
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Re: [css-d] True scalable, rounded buttons with CSS and images. (Craig Morris)
You are not setting the height and width in the html? This is the mark up copied off your page img class=leftcap src=images/leftcap.gif alt= I saw a presentation Eric Meyer did at the EventApart in Philadelphia were he created a fully scaleable page using only ems. Unfortunately my notes are pretty rudimentary and when I just tried to access the presentation online in seems to have disappeared. The gist is you begin with a base font-size set in pixels and then work from the base. If your base font size is 12pixels and you have an image that is supposed to display at 36pixels X 36pixels (at its default size) you would set it to 3em x 3em. When the font size is increased or decreased the image size changes. Whether a browser that was not using CSS would accept ems as a measurement is another question... Two problems: First, the whole setup blows up if CSS is off (that's not a huge issue for me, but it might be to some people). __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] CSS Family Tree?
I'm looking to make a family tree and I think the best way to do it is using a list, but I'm not sure. Has anybody tried doing this before or are there any examples up somewhere? __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] True scalable, rounded buttons with CSS and images. (Craig Morris)
You are not setting the height and width in the html? This is the mark up copied off your page img class=leftcap src=images/leftcap.gif alt= I saw a presentation Eric Meyer did at the EventApart in Philadelphia were he created a fully scaleable page using only ems. Unfortunately my notes are pretty rudimentary and when I just tried to access the presentation online in seems to have disappeared. The gist is you begin with a base font-size set in pixels and then work from the base. If your base font size is 12pixels and you have an image that is supposed to display at 36pixels X 36pixels (at its default size) you would set it to 3em x 3em. When the font size is increased or decreased the image size changes. I'm no Eric Meyers, but I've done that without setting a base font size -- I may be wrong, but I don't think it's needed. The technique is pretty simple, just use em's instead of pixels and provide a rule for every graphic. I explain it here: http://www.sperling.com/examples/zoom1/ And show an example of it here: http://earthstones.com/ tedd -- http://sperling.com/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CSS Family Tree?
_/ On Fri 09 Dec 2005 17:34:00 GMT, [Chad Calhoun] wrote : \_ I'm looking to make a family tree and I think the best way to do it is using a list, but I'm not sure. Has anybody tried doing this before or are there any examples up somewhere? In the context of CSS or not? Have a look at: http://www.lesandchris.com/ged2www/ You can easily add some styles to such pages, which are generated in a very raw, and stripped-down form. Arbitrary example, without CSS: http://www.spanglers.info/dat153.html You could extend the source to include classes in the HTML output and then re-compile, contributing back to the project. Hope it helps, Roy __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Trying to modify this CSS to show the menu and picture viewer
hi everyone, I've been a busy bee working hard trying to get all this code working! I have had some amazing help from great people here and have a kind of CSS template if you will, that I'm using for my site. I'm trying to incorporate a photo viewer in that layout and let me tell you that is not going too great! (smile). I got the picture viewer working well, but I can't figure out how to get the right side menu working in the structure I have. Here's my basic structure http://ciswebs.smc.edu/cis51/greenwood_laura_lee/temp_nov/index10.htm the CSS is at http://ciswebs.smc.edu/cis51/greenwood_laura_lee/temp_nov/css/tempinc.css here's the pictures (click on facility from the above link) or go directly to http://ciswebs.smc.edu/cis51/greenwood_laura_lee/tempnov/facility.htm (this page uses the tempinc.css webs above and inline for the picture viewer) I put the word left in the left div, and the word main in the main div... so those are showing up. I don't really need those divs for this type of page. but I do need the menu to be exactly where it is on the right. If anyone has any ideas how to get it working right, boy I'd sure appreciate it. I can't believe how much I'm learning from all this! Much thanks!!! Laura -- Laura http://google-fu.blogspot.com __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Generic Block Class?
Is there any way to apply a style rule to all block level elements (and not to any inline elements, or any other kind of element for that matter) without listing all block level elements in the style sheet? ___ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Several problems with menu list
First of all, my english is not good, sorry. Hi all, I am learning css but the way is hard ;-). The test page is here (css is inside html): http://cssing.atspace.com/list.html I'm trying to do a menu list but i have one problem with pseudo-class a:active, this works in IE 6 but not in Firefox 1.5., a:hover works fine. Some idea?. The second problem are the width links. I don't know how to make its width to fit menu width, playing with #menu a padding to fit it, is a pain in the ass :( and i think it is incorrect. Please, advertise me about the right way to do this. Thank you very much. P.D. xhtml and css validates ok in w3c validator. Kind regards. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] IE 6.0 text indent issue -Newbie
On 12/7/05, David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mindy wrote:
Hi
I have an issue with IE 6 in this navigation, it's causing the first line
of
text to indent and I can't sort out how to solve it. I know that if I set
text-indent in the style sheet to -23px the problem is resolved in IE
6,
but it causes the text to be up against the left side of the page in
Firefox, mozilla etc (that is there is no margin). So my question is, how
do
I serve instructions to IE to indent the text and not to Firefox etc.?
http://www.testing.blueaardvark.com/YMA/index.html
styles:
http://www.testing.blueaardvark.com/YMA/styles_b.css
Thanks for your help.
Mindy
My /guess fix/ has not been tested. Change this selector:
#active { ... }
to read:
#navlist li#active { ... }
aside: the content is kind of tiny at 1280 *and* up.
this is a /start/ to correct it:
body {font-size: /*small*/;}
Hugging the left viewport w/ a fixed width layout is a little tough on
ones sense of equilibrium(at least mine).
Regards,~dL
I'll give it a whirl. Just coding, design is out of my hands. I'll pass
along your comments.
Thanks for your help, David.
Mindy
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Re: [css-d] True scalable, rounded buttons with CSS and images. (Craig Morris)
Wow, this is all good stuff.
However, question for all of you; what do you do in the case that you
need dynamically wide buttons based on the text within them? Craig, I
noticed in your example that you have to set the width of every button.
But let's say you had a custom tag to write these out, and you could
pass it random button text and wanted the button to have the appropriate
width, what would you do in that case?
Put simply, is there a way to get rid of this in the example page?
#btn1 .middle {width:4.4em;}
- Daryl.
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(Craig Morris)
You are not setting the height and width in the html? This is the mark
up
copied off your page
img class=leftcap src=images/leftcap.gif alt=
I saw a presentation Eric Meyer did at the EventApart in Philadelphia
were
he created a fully scaleable page using only ems. Unfortunately my
notes
are pretty rudimentary and when I just tried to access the presentation
online in seems to have disappeared.
The gist is you begin with a base font-size set in pixels and then work
from the base. If your base font size is 12pixels and you have an image
that is supposed to display at 36pixels X 36pixels (at its default
size)
you would set it to 3em x 3em. When the font size is increased or
decreased the image size changes.
I'm no Eric Meyers, but I've done that without setting a base font
size -- I may be wrong, but I don't think it's needed.
The technique is pretty simple, just use em's instead of pixels and
provide a rule for every graphic.
I explain it here:
http://www.sperling.com/examples/zoom1/
And show an example of it here:
http://earthstones.com/
tedd
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Re: [css-d] CSS Family Tree?
At 12:34 -0500 9/12/05, Chad Calhoun wrote: I'm looking to make a family tree and I think the best way to do it is using a list, but I'm not sure. Has anybody tried doing this before or are there any examples up somewhere? Whether or not a list is the best way, the answer to your questions is yes and yes. There was a previous css-d thread about a year ago from which the following contribution of mine is taken: http://archivist.incutio.com/viewlist/css-discuss/45781 __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Generic Block Class?
On 09/12/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any way to apply a style rule to all block level elements (and not to any inline elements, or any other kind of element for that matter) without listing all block level elements in the style sheet? No. Seems a rather odd kind of thing to try to do though. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.ukhttp://blog.dorward.me.uk __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Attributes of classes
At 08:44 AM 4/12/2005, Vicki Stebbins wrote:
Hi all,
I've got myself going in circles with this, I initially had the same div ID
in these pages which could be multiple times. It got a validation error.
I realise now that it's a no no and have made these divs CLASSES. That
works but now some of my classes on li class=title for instance now
don't work?
I thought I'd best let the list know this is now sorted out (and anyone who
may be struggling with the same problem) many thanks to Peter Abramowicz
who said this:
The reason it was working before with ID's is that ID's are more specific
then CLASSES, once you switched to CLASSES the selector wasn't specific
enough. One solution would be to modify to the title selector - div#ufwus
li.title.
For a fuller explanation of specificity check out:
http://www.stuffandnonsense.co.uk/archives/css_specificity_wars.html.
Now leaving all that aside, wouldn't it make more sense 'semantically
speaking' to have the title as a hx element?
ie.
ul h2{
font: normal bold small Arial, Verdana, sans-serif;
color: red;
margin:1em .5em 1em;
}
PeterA.
Thanks once more to the list and Peter.
8-)
Vicki
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Re: [css-d] Generic Block Class?
Is there any way to apply a style rule to all block level elements (and not to any inline elements, or any other kind of element for that matter) without listing all block level elements in the style sheet? No. Seems a rather odd kind of thing to try to do though. Being able to stick a border on all block elements sure helps with debugging though. ;) I use the outline block level elements option on the FF Web Developer Toolbar every day. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Trying to modify this CSS to show the menu and picture viewer
Laura Greenwood wrote: I got the picture viewer working well, but I can't figure out how to get the right side menu working in the structure I have. I took the quick and lazy route on this, and asked the validator what was missing in one vs. the other page. The answer below. http://ciswebs.smc.edu/cis51/greenwood_laura_lee/temp_nov/index10.htm ...results in: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fciswebs.smc.edu%2Fcis51%2Fgreenwood_laura_lee%2Ftemp_nov%2Findex10.htm 1 error http://ciswebs.smc.edu/cis51/greenwood_laura_lee/temp_nov/facility.htm ...results in: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fciswebs.smc.edu%2Fcis51%2Fgreenwood_laura_lee%2Ftemp_nov%2Ffacility.htm 7 errors What you've got is misplaced elements and missing end tags enough to throw even the most recovery-eager html browser off track. Finding and fixing those will get you back on course. Just make sure you get the nesting right, as no validator can check that. And - of course - it isn't 'xhtml' you're serving, since 'xhtml' can't have any errors and still be 'xhtml'. So even that 1 error in the base page must be fixed. --- So, by making sure CSS has a well-working source-code to put style into, most - if not all - problems should be gone. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] CSS check
I have 2000 operating systems with mozilla and on a 800X600 screen both of your sites scroll to the right. Carol F. Swinehart Hello all, I have a site due Friday night and I'm just about done with all the CSS. Please visit: http://temp.rdpdesign.com/final/ There's the main site, and a link at the bottom to switch to a simple style, and then there's also the sub site, which is at: http://temp.rdpdesign.com/final/ivy/ which also has an alternate stylesheet. I ran into a lot of bugs while working on the site and I was able to fix or workaround them for FF, IE, and Opera, all on Windows, but I have no idea what it looks like in Mac or Linux, as well as older browsers. Thanks in advance! -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.com ... rdpdesign.com ... cssliquid.com __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Site check: Cornell PRSSA and sub site
Thanks everyone, I think I fixed all the problems mentioned. I used display:inline on the navigation instead of floats and padding on everything, works fine. I'm using @import to hide from old browsers. I also set the default text color. Let me know if there are any more: http://temp.rdpdesign.com/final/ -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.com ... rdpdesign.com ... cssliquid.com __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CSS check
On 12/9/05, Carol F. Swinehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have 2000 operating systems with mozilla and on a 800X600 screen both of your sites scroll to the right. Yes, but the content is still viewable without scrolling so I'm letting that one go. Too little planning in the graphic design, something I'll be more careful about in the future. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.com ... rdpdesign.com ... cssliquid.com __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Newbie CSS question
Good Afternoon,
I have an old html ref book that has a CSS section. I looked
in it to find information on how selectors are over ruled by other
rules.
For example, it seems like the table selector below is over ruling the
#commentTab and #commentTab .td rules.
Basically when I show a hidden div that has a form ( contained in table
commentTab ) I don't want any borders for the table.
But when I show the div, the table in it shows the top and right
borders.
Sometimes the top and right borders are showing even BEFORE I show the
div.
Any ideas. Any good docs that I can be directed too to read for myself.
I need to buy a CSS book. I have the 2nd Edition of Osbourne HTML
reference.
I don't want to be flamed for asking a dumb question. So instead of
that. direct me where I can read for myself.
BTW, Im on Win2k3 Server, IE 6 and Im working in Dreamweaver8. The CSS
is external.
Thanks for your time. It is appreciated.
table {
border-left: 1px solid #999;
border-collapse:collapse;
border-bottom:none;
}
caption {
font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
color:#99;
padding-bottom: 6px;
}
td {
padding: 10px 5px;
border-right: 1px solid #999;
border-top: 1px solid #999;
border-bottom: none;
font-family: Verdana, Geneva, Arial, helvetica,
sans-serif;
}
th {
border-top: none;
border-right: 1px solid #999;
border-bottom: 1px solid #999;
}
form dt {
float: left;
padding-right: 10px;
}
form dd {
margin: 0;
}
#givr {
height:100px;
width:200px;
}
#commentTab {
border-bottom: none;
border-left: none;
border-right: none;
}
#commentTab .td {
border-right: none;
border-left: none;
border-top: none;
}
.hideDiv {
color:#33; background-color:#cc;
layer-background-color:#cc;
position:absolute; top:100px; left:100px; width:480px;
height:280px;
z-index:99; visibility:hidden;
}
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[css-d] Layout question
I have a test page at the following URL: http://www.epiphanize.com/TestLayout.htm As you can see I'm trying to use absolute positioning to design the layout of this test page. In FF this is achieved somewhat nicely, except that the left and right columns only scroll to the bottom of the viewport, not the page. In IE, the left and right columns don't even stretch to the bottom of the page. Can anyone please lend some of their knowledge to me? I'm trying to fully understand how to implement this type of design. Thanks so much. P.S. If there is a better approach to this then absolute positioning, please let me know, it just was the best way I could think of to achieve the fixed height header, fixed width left, and fluid width content. - Jonathan Carter __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Drop-Down Menu
I think I followed Nick Rigby's instructions (http://www.alistapart.com/articles/horizdropdowns) when I created this menu on this test homepage for our library: http://fullertonlibrary.org/fpl100/dropdowntest2.html (http://www.fullertonlibrary.org/fpl100/homestyle.css). Alas, the menu functions only in Firefox not in IE. What is a librarian to do? Ed Maurer __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Centering multi-line Inline li
On Dec 9, 2005, at 2:28 PM, wendy wrote: Could someone please give me an idea as to how to make the five sections of text sit centered as a group within the #prefooter? Hello Wendy, Have you tried: margin: 0 auto; on #prefooter? M -- BCC for Privacy: http://www.cs.rutgers.edu/~watrous/bcc-for-privacy.html My del.icio.us: http://del.icio.us/mhulse __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Layout question
On 12/9/05, Jonathan Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a test page at the following URL: http://www.epiphanize.com/TestLayout.htm As you can see I'm trying to use absolute positioning to design the layout of this test page. In FF this is achieved somewhat nicely, except that the left and right columns only scroll to the bottom of the viewport, not the page. In IE, the left and right columns don't even stretch to the bottom of the page. Can anyone please lend some of their knowledge to me? I'm trying to fully understand how to implement this type of design. Thanks so much. height:100% means viewport, not content. And it doesn't work in IE. That's why you get those problems. Don't specify a height and it will stretch just fine. If you want it to fill the viewport even when there is not content, well, you might be asking for too much. You can give min-height, but it's pointless. P.S. If there is a better approach to this then absolute positioning, please let me know, it just was the best way I could think of to achieve the fixed height header, fixed width left, and fluid width content. Well, I would suggest you look at a good layout, see what the designer did, and learn to use the same techniques as you start doing the same: http://webhost.bridgew.edu/etribou/layouts/skidoo_too/two_columns_left.html Exactly what you want... just take apart the relevant CSS (layout) and work with it. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.com ... rdpdesign.com ... cssliquid.com __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Centering multi-line Inline li
On Dec 9, 2005, at 2:28 PM, wendy wrote: Thanks very much. I've just started on this project, so with luck the horrifying bits will be improved. Wendy A little better, but you may need to play around with the Tan hack: http://www.ambiguism.com/CSSD/wendy.html I am sure someone else will have a better solution. Also, I am just on a mac... so hard to test on PC... Hopefully that will give you ideas until someone else on the list can give you the best solution. Hth, Cheers, Micky -- BCC for Privacy: http://www.cs.rutgers.edu/~watrous/bcc-for-privacy.html My del.icio.us: http://del.icio.us/mhulse __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Newbie CSS question
Carlton Gregory wrote: I have an old html ref book that has a CSS section. I looked in it to find information on how selectors are over ruled by other rules. It would probably be easy to see what causes what, if a complete page were uploaded somewhere and you provided a link to it. There are so many factors related to the source-code itself, that may turn any qualified guess about CSS on its head - literally. Any ideas. Any good docs that I can be directed too to read for myself. I need to buy a CSS book. I have the 2nd Edition of Osbourne HTML reference. I have no idea how good that HTML reference is. The safest, although time-consuming, is to read up on the latest HTML specs... http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/ I don't want to be flamed for asking a dumb question. So instead of that. direct me where I can read for myself. There are no dumb questions, as long as they are related to real world use of CSS. (unless, of course, I'm the one asking them ;-) ) Your questions are just fine. I think the best is to read the specs... http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS1 http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/ ...and then compare to how far the major browsers supports these specs... http://nanobox.chipx86.com/browser_support.php It is a moving target of sort, as support do get slightly better with each new version they release. --- IE6 isn't regarded as a good tool when we are designing. Since you are on win you should rather download Opera and/or Firefox and work towards those, and correct things in IE6 later. That will save you from a lot of problems related to the weak and pretty shaky CSS support that IE6 has. The rest is fine, I think. I don't use Dreamweaver, or any other editor, in WYSIWYG mode, since editors, generally, are not good browsers. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] CSS Family Tree?
Chad Calhoun wrote:
I'm looking to make a family tree and I think the best way to do it is using
a list, but I'm not sure. Has anybody tried doing this before or are there
any examples up somewhere?
I'm working on a similar project, but haven't gotten far yet :) So not
really an example, but a starting point (WARNING: don't bother clicking
any links, as that's just some family stuff, not family tree related;
mostly {e.g. license}):
http://myfamily.jasonmr.com/
I believe lists are the way to go, though this is rather off topic, as
we are dealing with a (X)HTML mark up question here, but anyhow, use
lists wisely. IOW, if the order is of importance, use ordered lists
[ol], if not unordered [ul]. I've created order by nesting definition
lists (family name == definition term [dt], family info data ==
definition description), which seems logical too me ;) Nest your lists
upto any depth, and then use the relative position, classes, and/or ID's
to display with defined styles in CSS stylesheets.
HTH
JasonMR
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Re: [css-d] IE 6.0 text indent issue -Newbie
On 12/7/05, David Laakso wrote:
My /guess fix/ has not been tested. Change this selector:
#active { ... }
to read:
#navlist li#active { ... }
Didn't seem to do the trick, but thanks for the suggestion.
Mindy
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