[css-d] from michael ray enjoy!

[michael ray]

http://toupackgroup.com/gocvlf.php 
 
 
http://toupackgroup.com/gocvlf.php 
 
 
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Re: [css-d] CSS-D Wiki SPAM infiltration

[Ray Costanzo]

The good news, for me, is that this problem led to this post, which led me 
to learn that there is a CSS-D wiki.

- Original Message - 
From: "D A" 

> This is maybe common knowledge, but I just noticed that the CSS-D Wiki
> is, sadly, being overtaken by spam links. Nearly every page has a half
> dozen bad links on it. I tried cleaning up one page and will try to do
> it as I come across pages (fortunately, CSS-D Wiki still seems to be
> high on the google rankings).


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Re: [css-d] - why did it have to die?

[Ray Costanzo]

Actually, an acronym is pronounced as a word, and an initialism is  
not, as is my understanding.

Abbreviation:  Mr.
Acronym:  SCUBA
Initialism:  FBI



On Jan 15, 2010, at 2:10 AM, david  wrote:

> Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Jan 2010, david wrote:
>>
>
> No, an acronym is usually pronounced as individual letters. (Some  
> may be
> pronounced now as "words".) Abbreviations are never pronounced
> letter-by-letter.
>
> "Mr." is NOT an acronym, it's an abbreviation.
>

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[css-d] proper css syntax

[Raumin "Ray" Dehghan]

it's been while since I have worked with css.

Trying to get the margins to move over some.  I have several divs in a
block, and they are all one header, h2.

Any suggestions?

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[css-d] Is it possible to implement a variable height for a block box with CSS?

[ray]

Hi, All

Suppose the following markup:

  ...
  ...

The height of both the container and the top boxes is variable. What I want
is to make the top edge of the bottom box situated just below the top box
and the bottom edge of the bottom box situated just above the bottom edge of
the container box, so the height of the bottom box is also variable. Can
this be implemented with CSS? If not, is there any other approach?

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[css-d] How to wrap a long text at a given character

[ray]

Hi, all
Look at this page http://soundbowl.com/views/test.html. What I expect is to
make the long text separated by '/' character wrap at the '/' or white space
character. Also, FF and IE seems have the different layout. Can somebody
give me some advice? Thanks in advance.
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Re: [css-d] box goes down the bottom of the page

[ray]

Great! It works like a charm. Just add a style:
* html #mainContent {
display:inline;
}
Why this line so magic? Can you give me some hint? Thank you very much!

On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 12:22 AM, David Laakso  wrote:

> ray wrote:
>
>> It seems it is not because the double margin bug of IE6. Because the the
>> floated boxes have no margin at all.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>>> http://www.soundbowl.com on IE6.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
> Someone else may provide a better working solution for the center panel
> float drop than this in IE/6:
> <http://www.chelseacreekstudio.com/ca/cssd/bol.htm>
> Centering it was left to you...
>
>
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Re: [css-d] box goes down the bottom of the page

[ray]

It seems it is not because the double margin bug of IE6. Because the the
floated boxes have no margin at all.

Thanks

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 9:19 PM, David Laakso
wrote:

> ray wrote:
>
>> Thank for your reply. But why this page look good on FF and IE7?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> http://www.soundbowl.com on IE6.
>>>>
>>>
>
> Because compliant browsers, and to a lessor extent, IE/7 support more of
> the CSS 2.1 specifications[1]. IE/6 is hopelessly stuck in the dark ages.
> This list is filled daily, and has been for many years, with questions such
> as yours regarding all versions of IE and their lack of CSS support compared
> with compliant browsers.
> Your page and the float drop seemed to respond to IE/6s fix for its margin
> doubling bug [2]. Someone else on the list might have provided a different
> workaround. IE is notorious for its hundreds of weird bugs and oddities [3].
>
> [1] <http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/>
> [2] <http://www.positioniseverything.net/>
> [3] <http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html>
>
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Re: [css-d] box goes down the bottom of the page

[ray]

Thank for your reply. But why this page look good on FF and IE7?

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 8:35 PM, David Laakso
wrote:

> ray wrote:
>
>> Hi, All
>>
>> Please check http://www.soundbowl.com on IE6. You'll found that the main
>> content goes down the bottom of the page. It's OK on IE7 and FF. I found
>> this kind of problem on IE6 for many times. It must be caused by a bug of
>> IE6. Can somebody give me some hint?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> * html #mainContent {display:inline;}
> Snaps it in place. Too wide. Tweaking the margins may be needed as well.
>
> --
>
> A thin red line and a salmon-color ampersand forthcoming.
>
> http://chelseacreekstudio.com/
>
>
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[css-d] box goes down the bottom of the page

[ray]

Hi, All

Please check http://www.soundbowl.com on IE6. You'll found that the main
content goes down the bottom of the page. It's OK on IE7 and FF. I found
this kind of problem on IE6 for many times. It must be caused by a bug of
IE6. Can somebody give me some hint?

Thanks
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Re: [css-d] Why this page moves?

[ray]

Sorry for my late reply. I was busy for some days. Thanks for your replies.

I found this issue on FF3 on Ubuntu 8.10. Since you all cannot reproduce
this problem, I tested again and found it only occurs on one particular
profile of FF. I tested on other relatively clean profiles, this issue
doesn't occur. Maybe it's the problem of that profile of FF, I installed
many add-ons on that profile.

Thank for your help.
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[css-d] iFrame and z-index

[Ray Costanzo]

Hi list,

I'm trying to overlay an iFrame on top of some content in a page, and make 
it such that the iFrame is actually kinda woven in, on top of some elements 
and under others.  I put up a sample page that contains an iFrame with a 
z-index of 10 overlaid on top of two buttons, one with a z-index of 1, and 
the other with a z-index of 20.  I am not able to click either button, 
whereas I am expecting to be able to click the one with z-Index of 20. 
Tested in FF3, IE7, and IE8 RC1.

This is the sample page:  http://test.lane34.com/css-discuss/zindex.asp

Thank you,

Ray 


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[css-d] Why this page moves?

[ray]

Hi, All

Please look at this page http://claimexdemo.hcoms.co.uk/case_studies.php.
Click menu item titled "Case studies" several times, you'll see that the
whole page moves to right and then to left quickly. I checked the whole code
but found none of problem. Could somebody help me out?  Thanks in advance.

Thanks
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Re: [css-d] IE caching problem?

[ray]

This problem only exists on IE6. Even IE7 is OK. Thank for your rely.

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 5:51 PM, kiran chava  wrote:

> I can see the text assembly instructions inside the box without any
> problem.
>
> I am using IE 8 beta.
>
> I tried in both normal mode and compatibility mode.
>
> without clicking back and forward, can you try Ctrol+F5 ? so that any style
> sheets loaded previously will be gone?
>
> Thanks and Regards,
> Kiran Kumar Chava
>
>
> ray wrote:
>
>> Hi, all
>>
>> Look at this page http://guru.hcoms.co.uk/banner_stands/start on IE6. For
>> the box on the right bottom corner titled with "PDF Downloads", you can
>> see
>> that the text that is supposed to be shown within the box is currently out
>> of the box, now click the "back" button of the browser, and then click the
>> "forward" button to go on this page again, you can see that the text is
>> now
>> within the box correctly. What the hell is this problem? I have set all
>> height of this box everywhere, but it seems it has no effect. Could
>> somebody
>> help me out?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
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[css-d] IE caching problem?

[ray]

Hi, all

Look at this page http://guru.hcoms.co.uk/banner_stands/start on IE6. For
the box on the right bottom corner titled with "PDF Downloads", you can see
that the text that is supposed to be shown within the box is currently out
of the box, now click the "back" button of the browser, and then click the
"forward" button to go on this page again, you can see that the text is now
within the box correctly. What the hell is this problem? I have set all
height of this box everywhere, but it seems it has no effect. Could somebody
help me out?

Thanks in advance.
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Re: [css-d] Why this page moves?

[ray]

great, it works. I had encountered several times for this reason. I hope
I'll not ask this kind of question in the future. :)
Thanks a lot.

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Gunlaug Sørtun  wrote:

> ray wrote:
>
>  View this page http://guru.hcoms.co.uk/ on IE6. There is no margin at
>>  the bottom of the top menu at the minute, but if you move the mouse to
>> one of the menu items in the left side menu, a margin at the bottom of the
>> top menu appears, and if you moves the mouse back on one of the menu items
>> in the top menu, the margin will disappear again.
>>
>
> Add a 'hasLayout'[1] trigger to #topBar, like so...
>
> * html #topBar {height: 1%;}
>
> ...to stabilize it in IE6.
>
> regards
>Georg
>
> [1]http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html
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[css-d] Why this page moves?

[ray]

Hi, all

View this page http://guru.hcoms.co.uk/ on IE6. There is no margin at the
bottom of the top menu at the minute, but if you move the mouse to one of
the menu items in the left side menu, a margin at the bottom of the top menu
appears, and if you moves the mouse back on one of the menu items in the top
menu, the margin will disappear again. I have set a bottom margin on the top
menu element.
This weird problem only appears on IE6. What the hell is this problem?
Thanks in advance.
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Re: [css-d] IE 6/7 issues

[Ray Leventhal]

Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
>> the right direction would be greatly appreciated.
>> 
>
> Try adding...
>
> * html br {clear: left;}
>
> div#results {text-align: center;}
> div#results fieldset {margin: 0; text-align: left;}
> html:lang(en) div#results fieldset {margin: auto;}
>
> ...will kick IE6 and 7 in the right direction. That last line gives
> other browsers - including IE8 - back the original auto-centering that
> older IE versions fail on.
>
> regards
>   Georg
>   
As usual, Georg...dead-on accurate.  Thanks a bunch!
-R


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[css-d] IE 6/7 issues

[Ray Leventhal]

Hi all,

The following validates (before and after form submission), but (as 
usual) IE 6/7 are making my head hurt.

http://www.cprtools.net/calc

All is well in FF/Safari/Chrome/Opera.

The first thing I noticed is that the two radio buttons and their labels 
aren't rendering as expected in WinIE6.  This looks ok in IE7

After the form is submitted and the results are rendered, the 'summary' 
fieldset is (in IE6 and 7) set off to the right while I expected and 
wanted it to be centered.

Any kicks in the right direction would be greatly appreciated.

TIA,
-Ray

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Re: [css-d] table caption question - safari/chrome displaying differently

[Ray Leventhal]

>
> And validate.
>
> ___
Roger that, David.  The errant  was left over from the actual page 
which served as the source of the problem.  A simple matter of 
copy/paste/haste :)
-R

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Re: [css-d] table caption question - safari/chrome displaying differently

[Ray Leventhal]

Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
> table.dl caption {
> margin: 0;
> padding: 2em 0 0 3em;
> }
>
> ...gives the same result in IEwin/FF/Op/Safari/Chrome, so obviously
> WebKit has a problem with margins on captions.
>
> regards
>   Georg
>   
As always, Georg, thank you for your insight and answer.  I'm a bit 
embarrassed that I'd not tried that before posting.

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[css-d] table caption question - safari/chrome displaying differently

[Ray Leventhal]

I've a question about the differing ways that 'caption' is displayed 
given this test case:

http://www.swhidesigns.com/test.html

css: http://www.swhidesigns.com/styles/test.css

In FF (2&3) and IE (only tested in WinIE7.x) the caption appears as 
expected and desired.

In Safari and therefore in Chrome as well, the caption is spaced well 
above the table to which it is attached.

So, my question is:
How can Safari/Chrome be made to display the caption as expected (as 
appears in FF/IEWin)


Thanks in advance,
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Re: [css-d] how to check for embedded styles when using external style sheet?

[Ray Leventhal]

I need to eliminate all embedded styles from my site, but it would be
>> tedious to do it manually.  I'm using Dreamweaver CSS3 and don't see a way
>> for DW to do it.  Can anyone point me to an easier way than manual?
>>
>> 
Sorry for chiming in so late with this suggestion, but if you can 
download the (fully functional) trial version of phpEdit from 
waterproof.fr, I believe you'll find it useful. 
Features which will definitely help in your case are the fact that it 
allows search/replace over multiple documents, and uses regex (if 
selected) for search / replace runs.

While a great php editor, phpedit also does really nice code 
highlighting for html, xhtml and css. (and no, I don't work for nor am I 
affiliated with the company).

HTH,
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Re: [css-d] image display issue...something silly, I'm sure

[Ray Leventhal]

Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:
>> please) nudge in the right direction.
>> 
>
> In the html code: div id="hcenterimage"
> In the stylesheet: div#hcenterimg
>
> Philippe
> ---
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> http://l-c-n.com/
>
>
>   
Hi Philippe,

I did say I'd gone blind, eh?  Thanks so much for the gentle nudge...another 
set of eyes was definitely needed.

Now I'm off to get it in line and contained :)

Kindest regards,
-Ray

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[css-d] image display issue...something silly, I'm sure

[Ray Leventhal]

Hi all,

I'm fairly sure this is something simple that I've missed...but by now 
am blinded to the obvious:

test case: http://www.swhidesigns.com/testindex.php

css: http://www.swhidesigns.com/styles/style.css

Issue:
In the masthead (div id header) there *should* be an image displayed in 
the center (http://www.swhidesigns.com/image/251.gif)

I've messed about with z-index and html manipulation/placement of the 
divs, but am stumped.

Again, I'm sure this is something I've gone blind to, but would love a 
(gentle, please) nudge in the right direction.

TIA,
-Ray

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Re: [css-d] about inline, replaced element

[ray]

Thanks for you reply. I had read your some articles about CSS, they are
great!
I also have some questions:
1.  I think the container box of the  element is the parent block-level
element of  right?
2. Because the inline box generated by  is the only inline box of its
line box, so the baseline of the line box is also the baseline of the 
inline box, so the  inline box is aligned with baseline of the 
element,  right?
3. Because the  resides in the  element, so the  inline box is
contained within the  inline box and the width of the  inline box
becomes the width of the  inline box?

All the best.

On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 4:36 AM, Ingo Chao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> ray wrote:
> ...
>
>> > src="foo.jpg"
>> />
>> where the img would be positioned? and why?
>>
>
> The initial value for vertical-align, baseline, applies. It affects the
> inline level elements in a line box. Therefore, the image, being inline by
> default, should align with the baseline of the parent -element.
>
> CSS 2.1: 9.4.2 Inline formatting context;
> CSS 2.1: 10.8 Line height calculations: the 'line-height' and
> 'vertical-align' properties.
>
> The absolute vertical position of the baseline depends on the font metrics.
>
> Ingo
>
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[css-d] I give up with IE

[Ray Pello]

Hullo,

I have a problem. THis site : www.reginagarde.com
looks OKAY to FF but when it comes to ie : when it gets to the product 
details page (such as : http://www.reginagarde.com/store/show/D231)
The layout of the footer got screwed.

I used this for the positioned container and footer (footer is inside 
container)

#container {
 display: block;
min-height: 100%;
width: 1000px;
position: absolute;
top: 0px;
z-index: 1;
border-left: 1px solid #ff52b7;
border-right: 1px solid #ff52b7;
}

#footer {
   position: absolute;
bottom: 0px;
display: block;
z-index: 999;
padding: 0px;
margin: 0px auto;
height: 192px;
width: 1000px;
left: 0;
}

I was wondering if this is because of the absolutely positioned element 
or is it some kind of a weird bug from the sky.
Can anyone help?

- Ray
Ombilic
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[css-d] about inline, replaced element

[ray]

Hi, All

What if an inline, replaced element resides in another inline element? for
example:

How the image would be positioned with respect to the anchor element? For
instance, if the font-size set on the anchor is very large and the height
set on img is very small,  for example:

where the img would be positioned? and why?
I searched the CSS 2.1 specification, but didn't find any information. Could
somebody help me out? Thanks in advance.

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Re: [css-d] Is overflow:hidden the best?

[ray]

No, I overwritten it, just the same name. :)

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Thierry Koblentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
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> > discuss.org] On Behalf Of ray
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:51 PM
> > To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
> > Subject: Re: [css-d] Is overflow:hidden the best?
> >
> > Yeah, I can see the problem. But in most cases we would set a left margin
> on
> > the content div to reserve space for the left column, so this issue may
> not
> > that important.
> > I think the big problem of this clearing way is that the cleared element
> > would stay below *All* previous floats, see this demo:
> > http://fouragency.co.uk/test.html
> > You can see the yellow box of content div extends to below the left
> sidebar,
> > instead of just enclosing the text and the float within its content.
>
>
> Isn't the exact same example I pointed you to when explaining the issue
> with
> this method? ;)
>
>
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Re: [css-d] Is overflow:hidden the best?

[ray]

Yeah, I can see the problem. But in most cases we would set a left margin on
the content div to reserve space for the left column, so this issue may not
that important.
I think the big problem of this clearing way is that the cleared element
would stay below *All* previous floats, see this demo:
http://fouragency.co.uk/test.html
You can see the yellow box of content div extends to below the left sidebar,
instead of just enclosing the text and the float within its content.

Thanks

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Thierry Koblentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:12 PM, Serge Krul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > > > What is the best way of forcing a container box enclose its floats?
> > >
> > > From my experience the best way is to use the "easy
> > clearing "
> > > technique. It's far more stable than overflow:auto, and overflow:hidden
> is
> > > not suitable in most cases (for example you wouldn't want your
> horizontal
> > > menu to hide some of your list items when text size is increased).
>
> fwiw, I don't agree. The problem with the easy clearing method is that it
> styles the element differently depending on browsers.
> To understand the issue, check example #2 (The .clearfix method) on my demo
> page:
>
> http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/block-formatting_context/newBFC.asp
>
>
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Re: [css-d] Is overflow:hidden the best?

[ray]

I know this way. But it is not appropriate for the columns layout(one or all
are  float columns), because the cleared element would stay below ALL
previous floats. This problem is mentioned at the bottom of that page(easy
clearing).

Thanks for your reply.

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:12 PM, Serge Krul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> > What is the best way of forcing a container box enclose its floats?
>
> From my experience the best way is to use the "easy 
> clearing "
> technique. It's far more stable than overflow:auto, and overflow:hidden is
> not suitable in most cases (for example you wouldn't want your horizontal
> menu to hide some of your list items when text size is increased).
>
> Serge Krul
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[css-d] Is overflow:hidden the best?

[ray]

Hi, all

What is the best way of forcing a container box enclose its floats?
clear:both is not good, because it would make the cleared element below all
previous floats. It's inappropriate on a column setup layout.
I also tested overflow:auto, but in many times an annoying scroll bar
appears.
How about overflow:hidden, it's the best way?

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Re: [css-d] help for an IE bug

[ray]

yeah, it works.
This is the second bug I encountered whose root cause is the hasLayout
problem. What a stupid bug.

Thanks.

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Gunlaug Sørtun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> ray wrote:
>
>  Look at this page http://www.soundbowl.com/test.html in IE7. The outer
>> div has a padding of 6px, but the inner div seems not respect to this
>> padding, its background covers the left padding of its parent
>> div.
>>
>
> Add a 'hasLayout' trigger to #inner...
>
> #inner {
> height: 1%;
> }
>
> ...so IE/win understands that it should relate to its own parent and
> cover a defined area inside it.
>
> Sounds like a great explanation, doesn't it? :-)
> More important: it works.
>
> regards
>Georg
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[css-d] help for an IE bug

[ray]

Hi, all

Look at this page http://www.soundbowl.com/test.html in IE7. The outer div
has a padding of 6px, but the inner div seems not respect to this padding,
its background covers the left padding of its parent div. It's fine if I
remove the anchor called "textAnchor" within the inner div. This page looks
fine in firefox. How to solve this problem? I have searched for hours but
found nothing. Could somebody help me out?  Thanks in advance.
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Re: [css-d] the problem of a page in ie6

[ray]

Thank you.
>From the clue you provided, I found two excellent articles about this issue:
http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html
http://onhavinglayout.fwpf-webdesign.de/hack_management/

On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Gunlaug Sørtun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> ray wrote:
>
>  This page http://fouragency.co.uk/who_are_four.php is abnormal in IE6.
>> Look at the menu on the left hand side.
>>
>
>  IE6 is so bad!
>>
>
> Yes :-)
>
> Add 'hasLayout' trigger to anchors in that list...
>
> .menu a {height: 1%;}
>
> ...and that old bugger will behave itself and act more like a proper
> browser.
>
> regards
>Georg
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[css-d] the problem of a page in ie6

[ray]

Hey, all

This page http://fouragency.co.uk/who_are_four.php is abnormal in IE6. Look
at the menu on the left hand side. The white spaces between the menu items
are very large, and the white spaces between sub menu items are not
expected. These bugs only appear on IE6.   IE7 and Firefox are fine. I
looked at the IE6 bug list in pie, but found nothing similar. Could somebody
help me out? IE6 is so bad!

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Re: [css-d] the problem of rule reuse

[ray]

Yeah, that's a solution but not perfect. Because this rule-set is comprised
of two parts - the normal one and the IE-mac fix. You have to remember to
add the new selector to every part.
Thanks for you reply.

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Gunlaug Sørtun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> ray wrote:
>
>  I want to apply this rule to all li elements under ul. Giving every li
>> element a class attribute is very tedious. Is there a solution for
>>  this situation?
>>
>
> The fix can be attached to any element the same ways as any other
> rule-set...
>
> ul li:after {
>  content: ".";
>  display: block;
>  height: 0;
>  clear: both;
>  visibility: hidden;
> }
>
> /* Hides from IE-mac \*/
> * html ul li {height: 1%;}
> /* End hide from IE-mac */
>
>
>
> Probably a good idea to give the ul (not the li) a class to prevent
> general addition of "clearfix" to every li on a site. Call it whatever
> you like, but don't use the '.clearfix' class-name unless you also want
> to "clearfix" the ul itself.
>
> regards
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[css-d] the problem of rule reuse

[ray]

Hey, all

I got a complex rule that is comprised by several parts, for example:
.clearfix:after {
  content: ".";
  display: block;
  height: 0;
  clear: both;
  visibility: hidden;
}

/* Hides from IE-mac \*/
* html .clearfix {height: 1%;}
/* End hide from IE-mac */

I know I can apply this rule to elements by assigned their class attribute
with value "clearfix". But how to apply this rule to a set of elements
without using the class attribute? for example,

  
  
  ...

I want to apply this rule to all li elements under ul. Giving every li
element a class attribute is very tedious. Is there a solution for this
situation? thanks in advance.
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Re: [css-d] the problem of image anchor

[ray]

Great! Thank you very much.
Is there a way to remove these whitespaces and keep the html pretty
formatted?

On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Thierry Koblentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 8:31 PM
> > To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
> > Subject: [css-d] the problem of image anchor
> >
> > Hi, all
> > Please check this page:http://fouragency.co.uk/test.html
> > Could somebody tell me why there are gaps between the images? I checked
> the
> > anchors and img elements, their padding, borders and margins are all
> zero.
> > I'm very confused, please help me out. Thanks in advance.
>
>
> This is because of the whitespace in the markup
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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[css-d] the problem of image anchor

[ray]

Hi, all
Please check this page:http://fouragency.co.uk/test.html
Could somebody tell me why there are gaps between the images? I checked the
anchors and img elements, their padding, borders and margins are all zero.
I'm very confused, please help me out. Thanks in advance.
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Re: [css-d] float height question

[ray]

Thanks. This really helps.

On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Christian Kirchhoff <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Hello,
>
> there are alreday a couple of solutions for this problem.
>
> You can use this method:
> http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/companions.html
>
> or that one:
> http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fauxcolumns/
>
> Regards,
>
> Christian Kirchhoff
> *Directmedia Publishing GmbH* · Möckernstraße 68 · 10965 Berlin
> www.digitale-bibliothek.de
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> Geschäftsführer: Ralf Szymanski
>
>
> ray schrieb:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have a classic two columns layout like:
> 
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   ...
>   
> 
> My question is: The right column can have many contents, so its height can
> be much higher that the left column. Since the left column has a background
> color, it looks not very pretty. I wonder if there is a way to make the left
> column extend all the way to the bottom of the right column? Is that
> possible with CSS?
>
> Thanks in advance.
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[css-d] Textbox width affect by its value length

[Ray Costanzo]

Hi list,

I'm attempting to use a percentage width property on a textbox within a
table cell.  Oddly, the width of this textbox is affected by the length
of its value when viewed in IE6 or IE7.  Can anyone explain why this is
or offer a work-around?  Note that I am bound to the table structure
that is in place, as this is part of a form-generator utility and I have
control only over the contents of each TD.  I don't have the option of
changing any of the TD attributes or eliminating the table layout.

Here's a link of a page that reproduces the problem in IE:

http://www.lane34.com/css-discuss/textboxie.htm

Thanks

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[css-d] float height question

[ray]

Hi,

I have a classic two columns layout like:

  
  
  
  
  ...
  

My question is: The right column can have many contents, so its height can
be much higher that the left column. Since the left column has a background
color, it looks not very pretty. I wonder if there is a way to make the left
column extend all the way to the bottom of the right column? Is that
possible with CSS?

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[css-d] OT: group browsercam purchase

[Ray Leventhal]

Hi folks,

Please forgive the offtopic post - please reply to me off-list to reduce
clutter.

I have 13 spots open on a browsercam premium account purchase which is
underway using fundable.com.

If anyone is interested in a year's worth of browsercam (including
extended remote access for script testing), please take the following
link. 

http://www.fundable.com/groupactions/groupaction.2008-09-12.3193716248/groupaction_view

Cost is $US40.00.

Nothing is charged if we don't meet our goal of 25 users.

Apologies to the admins/mods for the OT post, but this type of account
(which I became involved with last year from a post to this list) made
my life far easier in testing on multi-platforms/versions/etc.

Kind regards,
-Ray

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Re: [css-d] block box alignment

[ray]

Great! Your solution is what I want. I have never used such "auto" word.
Thank you.

On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Gunlaug Sørtun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> ray wrote:
>
>  If I set a width for a block box within a containing block, for example
>> 30%, the block box will be aligned with the left edge of the containing
>> block. Is it possible to align it with the right edge of the containing
>> block, without the use of float?
>>
>
> The addition of...
>
> margin: 0 0 0 auto;
>
> ...on the (inner) block box will align it right in its container.
> The auto-margin will (of course) keep the space on the left side of the
> block box clean, same as if the block box was aligned left (default) or
> center (with auto-margins on both sides).
>
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Re: [css-d] block box alignment

[ray]

Thanks. I just want to try the abilities of CSS without float.

On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Michael Adams
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:31:31 +0800
> Came this utterance fomulated by ray to my mailbox:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > If I set a width for a block box within a containing block, for
> > example 30%, the block box will be aligned with the left edge of the
> > containing block. Is it possible to align it with the right edge of
> > the containing block, without the use of float?
> >   
> > 
> >   block box
> > 
> >   
> > Maybe a silly question, Could somebody tell me? Thanks in advance.
>
> In your outer div add "text-align: right;"
> In your inner div you may need to add auto left and right margins
> "margin: 0 auto;"
> If you have other content in the outer div you may need a mid div with
> the text-align and width of 100%.
>
> Why was float not an option?
>
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[css-d] block box alignment

[ray]

Hi,

If I set a width for a block box within a containing block, for example 30%,
the block box will be aligned with the left edge of the containing block. Is
it possible to align it with the right edge of the containing block, without
the use of float?
  

  block box

  
Maybe a silly question, Could somebody tell me? Thanks in advance.
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Re: [css-d] content pushed down..by float?

[Ray Leventhal]

David Laakso wrote:
> Ray Leventhal wrote:
>   
>> http://www.sunbuild.biz.
>> 

> An easy out for float drop at 800 is to consider adjusting the content 
> to a set fixed 980 width.  This will clear the v-scroll bar at 1024 
> (you'll still get an h-scroll at 800).
>
>   
David,

Thanks for your reply. The URL I gave above was changed to remove the 
image which was causing the issue.  The test case is at 
http://www.sunbuild.biz/indextest.php

However, I like the idea of setting the fixed width, but am uncertain if 
a) it should be set on #container and b) if doing that will limit the 
scalability of the site when under font-resizing stress.

I welcome your thoughts,

-Ray
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Re: [css-d] content pushed down..by float?

[Ray Leventhal]

Ray Leventhal wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm in the final stages of design/rollout for a client.  Site is 
> http://www.sunbuild.biz.
>   
oops...I'd removed the offending element.  The test case is at 
http://www.sunbuild.biz/indextest.php

Thanks,
-Ray

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[css-d] content pushed down..by float?

[Ray Leventhal]

Hi all,

I'm in the final stages of design/rollout for a client.  Site is 
http://www.sunbuild.biz.

All appears well enough in most browsers when at 1024x768 or higher, but 
in 800x600, the floated image on the right of the masthead is causing 
the content to be pushed down.

The client would rather see a horizontal scroll bar than the pushed 
content, so I'm hoping for either solutions to stop the 'pushing down' 
or advice on how to accomplish the scroll bar.

I'm feeding a reset (http://www.sunbuild.biz/styles/reset.css) before 
the site styling (http://www.sunbuild.biz/styles/sunbuild.css)

Thanks in advance,
-Ray
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Re: [css-d] horizontal menu centering issue

[Ray Leventhal]

>
>
> 2008/5/5 Ray Leventhal <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>:
>
> Hi all,
>

>
> Any ideas on the subject would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> -Ray
>
vincent pollard wrote:
> if you give the Ul #p7menubar a width - e.g. 460px - it will centre, 
> at least in IE7. hopefully in everything else too.
Hi Vincent,

Thank you for that, though I could not get it to work.  In the end, I 
wound up applying the same background to the entire bar (not just the li 
and a  elements).

I believe the client will like them left justified with that change.

Kind regards,
-Ray
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Re: [css-d] horizontal menu centering issue

[Ray Leventhal]

Al Sparber wrote:
> From: "Ray Leventhal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>  
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm continuing to work on a project:
>> http://www.swhidevel.com/
>>
>> Any ideas on the subject would be greatly appreciated
Al,
> Because the root menu items are set as blocks and floated, the only 
> way to center the menu would be to assign a width to each root menu 
> item, then assign a width to the root UL based on the aggregate widths 
> of the menu items, then use auto left and right margins. Not a good 
> solution. Menus like that tend to look very nice as they are. It would 
> take some complex hacking to center the entire menu.

That makes so much sense, I'm upset I hadn't come to that conclusion 
myself.
I've applied the background to the entire bar and it sure does look nice 
as is :)

Thanks again for the help!

-Ray
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[css-d] horizontal menu centering issue

[Ray Leventhal]

Hi all,

I'm continuing to work on a project:
http://www.swhidevel.com/

The project uses a lovely horizontal menu structure from Project7.  My 
issue is I cannot seem to get it to center.

Any ideas on the subject would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
-Ray
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Re: [css-d] new design, horizontal menu issues

[Ray Leventhal]

Al Sparber wrote:
> From: "Ray Leventhal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "css-d" 
> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 5:00 PM
> Subject: [css-d] new design, horizontal menu issues
> 
> 
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> I'm using a nice drop-down menu from Project7 on a new project.

>>
>> Site: http://www.swhidevel.com/
>>

> 
> You need a min-width on the body element and/or to apply the menuwrapper 
> background to the root menu items () so that when your menu does wrap, 
> you will be able to read the text. The tutorial example for this particular 
> menu uses em widths to prevent wrapping:
> http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/navigation/auto_hide/workpage.htm
> 
> You might want to consider that approach or perhaps pare down the number of 
> root menu items you have. It's a lot for a horizontal menu.
> 

Having worked through the initial issues (still working on using ems in 
place of px), I'm now needing to center the menubar itself.

Can't seem to get that to go...if anyone has a suggestion, I'd be very 
appreciative.


Thanks,
-Ray
Site: http://www.swhidevel.com/
Style: http://www.swhidevel.com/styles/sunbuild.css
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Re: [css-d] new design, horizontal menu issues

[Ray Leventhal]

Al Sparber wrote:
 > From: "Ray Leventhal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

 >> Hi folks,
 >>
 >> I'm using a nice drop-down menu from Project7 on a new project.

 >>
 >> Any pointers would be greatly appreciated.
 >
 > Hi Ray,
 >
 > You need a min-width on the body element and/or to apply the menuwrapper
 > background to the root menu items () so that when your menu does 
wrap,
 > you will be able to read the text. The tutorial example for this 
particular
 > menu uses em widths to prevent wrapping:
 > http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/navigation/auto_hide/workpage.htm
 >
 > You might want to consider that approach or perhaps pare down the 
number of
 > root menu items you have. It's a lot for a horizontal menu.
 >

Hi Al,

Thanks for the reply.  Nothing like getting help from the source :) 
I'll have at rearranging the bg as recommended.

I have discussed the number of root items with the client.  They're 
certain they'd rather have that many, but I'm pushing for a bit more 
nesting to limit the root quantity.

I'll read through the tutorial again.

Thanks for a great framework.  Big time saver!

Regards,
-Ray
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[css-d] new design, horizontal menu issues

[Ray Leventhal]

Hi folks,

I'm using a nice drop-down menu from Project7 on a new project.

When viewing at 1280x1024 or greater, all works as expected (for a very 
early markup draft).  However at resolutions like 1024x768, I'm getting 
menu wrapping which is definitely affecting the usability of the site, 
not to mention the aesthetics.

Site: http://www.swhidevel.com/

I'm feeding it a css reset (http://www.swhidevel.com/styles/reset.css)
before handing off the site styles 
(http://www.swhidevel.com/styles/sunbuild.css).

Any pointers would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
-Ray


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[css-d] Color between scrollbars

[Ray Costanzo]

Hi list,

I was asked if we can control the color of the small square area between the
vertical and horizontal scrollbars.  Can it be done?  I played with
surrounding divs and background colors but this are remained unaffected.
Also, does this area have a name?  Here's a visual description of what I
mean:

http://www.lane34.com/css-discuss/scrollsniglet.htm

Sorry for the junky gif quality.  All I have is paintbrush.  :-/

Thanks,

Ray Costanzo





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[css-d] Textarea padding and scrolling

[Ray Costanzo]

Hi list,

I'm trying to display some text that appears at the bottom right of a
textarea, but the text is not part of the content of the textarea.   This
works fine, but the problem is that in IE, that when you are typing at the
bottom of the textbox, it doesn't scroll in the same way that firefox does,
and you wind up typing over the overlaid text.  Is there anything
css-related that I can do to get IE to behave the way Firefox does?  In
Firefox, when you pad the bottom of the textarea, the vertical scrollbar
does not extend into the padded area.  This works perfectly for my needs,
but IE doesn't do it this way.  Any ideas?

Here's the sample page:

http://www.lane34.com/css-discuss/textareascroll.htm

Thank you,

Ray at work



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Re: [css-d] Opacity Filter Not Working in IE

[Ray Costanzo]

FWIW, it looks the same in Firefox, IE7, and IE6 for me.  Here are
screenshots of what I see.  http://www.lane34.com/css-discuss/elli/

Sorry about the bitmaps.  All I have is MS Paintbrush on this computer.  :)

Ray

-Original Message-
From: Elli Vizcaino
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:55 PM


I have a "bottomright" div that I'd like transparent -
it works in FF but not in IE. 

Can someone take a look and provide any suggestions?

Any help is greatly appreciated!!

http://e7flux.com/new/new.html



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[css-d] Simulating IE's "disabled" look

[Ray Costanzo]

Hi list,

IE allows for the nonstandard usage of "disabled" in seemingly any html tag.
I'm working on cleaning up of some html and trying to eliminate anything I
find that deviates from standards.  Is there a way that I can still get that
same "disabled" look on an  tag, for instance?  Right now I just have it
using a light shade of gray for the font-color, but it'd be nice if I could
get that look of disabled that IE gives.  I'm not aware of any sort of text
drop-shadow in CSS though!

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Re: [css-d] Accounting for Windows DPI settings

[Ray Schamp]

Hi,

On Feb 1, 2008 3:02 PM, David Hucklesby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 13:36:02 -0500 (EST), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Tedd Sperling[1] sizes everything in ems. I am certain that his site
> is viewable under almost any circumstance I can think of.
>
> [1] http://sperling.com/examples/zoom/

The problem I always have with this technique is that background
images don't scale -- is there any CSS-only way to compensate for
that?  The only solutions I've been able to come up with involve using
 tags in semantically incorrect places or dynamically switching
background-imaged elements with   elements, neither of which make
me feel good inside.

-Ray
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Re: [css-d] form/fieldset alignment in IE

[Ray Leventhal]

David Laakso wrote:
> Ray Leventhal wrote:
>>
>> http://www.cprtools.net/reg/regform1.php
>>




> 
> Assuming you can mess around and play games with the html:



> 
> 
> < :: add ::
> 
> 

> 
> 
> 
> < :: add ::
> 
> 
> And you may want to pay a visit to the Markup Validation Service.
> 
Hi David,

Thank you :)

The addition of the markup  between the  
tags did, in fact, do the trick.

Regarding validation, I was appalled to see that I'd submitted a page 
with so many errors, but in retrospect, I'd be messing with DTD to try 
to get IE to 'work' and have since fixed all but one.

On a side note (definitely OT - any replies to this, please send 
directly to me), how does one validate with an onSubmit() call in a 
submit button tag?

Thanks again,
-R


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Re: [css-d] form/fieldset alignment in IE

[Ray Leventhal]

Ray Leventhal wrote:

typos abound...thankfully not in my code:

> I'm feeing first E.Meyer's reset.css 
s/feeing/feeding

-R

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[css-d] form/fieldset alignment in IE

[Ray Leventhal]

Hi all,

Once again, our problem child is IE.

The page at:

http://www.cprtools.net/reg/regform1.php

looks and performs as expected in Opera, FF2, Webkit28233 (Win, & MacOS 
10.5).

IE7, is moving the topmost fieldset to the right edge of the viewport, 
leaving the 2nd fieldset where it belongs.

IE6 (WinXPSP2) is doing much the same as it's older sister, but leaving 
some space to the right of the fieldset as compared to the viewport edge.

I'm feeing first E.Meyer's reset.css 
(http://www.cprtools.net/reg/reset.css), then styling with
http://www.cprtools.net/reg/style.css after.

Any pointers are, as usual, greatly appreciated.

Kind regards,
-Ray

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Re: [css-d] Position image at bottom of cell containing text

[Ray Leventhal]

John Nichel wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>With our company being between designers at the moment, some of the 
> day to day tasks of our site have fallen into my lap (hey, you're in IT, 
> you fix the web site).  What I'm trying to accomplish seems like it 
> should be pretty simple, but the solution has escaped me.
> 
>If you look at this page here: 
> http://www.kegworks.com/product.php?productid=18754 you will notice that 
> the "Add to cart" buttons under "If You Like This, You May Also Like..." 
> do not line-up across the page.  I've been trying to force these input 
> images to line up with the bottom of the table cell containing them, but 
> nothing I've done seems to have worked.  I have tried using an 'inline 
> style', tried creating a new style, etc.  I've used things like 
> align=bottom, vertical-align: bottom|baseline|absbottom, etc.  However, 
> the images stay in their current position.
> 
>Can anyone give this old sysadmin some pointers, or point me to some 
> documentation which will explain this to me (even if it cannot be done)? 
>   Thanks.
> 
Hi John,

As this was thrown into your lap, I'll refrain from commenting on the 
tables within tables within tables withinad nauseum design

If you change the following:









by changing all the 'valign="top"' references to 'valign="bottom"'
your buttons will line up evenly.

HTH,
-Ray


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Re: [css-d] Margin (?) problem with menu.

[Ray Leventhal]

rollandburn wrote:
> Hi everyonecan anyone spot the Waldo in my css on this page... my  
> dev site is athttp://public.alliancepacific.com/Corporate/About_Us
> 
> I am having a hard time finding out why the top level UL's appear to  
> have a margin which does not allow the menu to squeeze up to the header.
> 
> If anyone could give me a hand I would really appreciate it.
> 
> Thanks!
> rolland
> 
> 
 From what I can see, it's the h3 element in sidebar which has the space 
above it, just below the menu:

you have:
#sideBar h3 {
border-bottom:1px solid #CC;
color:#003462;
font-size:1.1em;
margin: 10px; /* adds 10px all around */
padding:0px;

I changed that commented line (in Firebug) to

margin: 0 10px;

And things looked a bit more 'together'.

I'm sure more advanced minds will have better answers :)

HTH,
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[css-d] IE Scroll Problem

[Ray Schamp]

Hi I'm delurking!

(I think) I'm having an issue with the overflow-x property used with floats
in IE7.  In every browser I've tested except IE, this code shows a little
block with a horizontal scroll-bar, allowing you to scroll the inner content
horizontally.  In IE, though, I'm getting really weird behavior where the
block has scrollbar but only the _border_ of the inner box scrolls, while
the content of the inner box does not, instead making all of the content
visible, and causing a horizontal scrollbar on the browser window AND on the
little scroll block.  I couldn't find any information specific to anything
like this, so that's why you're hearing from me!

Link: http://oclock.am/iescroll/iescroll.html

-Ray

Sorry I don't know the etiquette here yet.  Is it better to provide a link,
or all the raw code, or both?
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Re: [css-d] IE issues

[Ray Leventhal]

Lisa G. Wilcox wrote:
>> Happy holidays everyone,I have this site… 
>> HYPERLINK"http://www.familyfirstdocs.com"www.familyfirstdocs.com
>>I have validated it and ran all the checks in DW CS3 however the
clientsstate that when they select a link, a
>>horizontal line across the entire pageappears. Also the menu up top
get’s botchy. I can’t seem to recreate it on
>>my computer. Can someone please take a look and let me know how it’s
reacting for you?
>>
>>Thank you in advance,Lisa 


Hi Lisa,

I've had a quick look at your URL in FF2/Win, IE6/Win and IE7/Win and I
don't see the 'line' or 'botchy'ness your client is describing.

What browser is your client using?  On what OS?

~Ray


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Re: [css-d] creating navigation in css

[Ray Leventhal]

juliann wheeler wrote:
> Does anyone know how to create a drop-down navigation in CSS?  Here is the 
> link to the nav that I have built so far:
> http://www.pcg-advisors.com/tests/test8.html
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> _

Hi Juliann,

One quick google search on "CSS Drop Down Navigation" will return a link
to 'A list apart', a great resource for things design/css related. [1]

HTH,
~Ray

[1] http://www.alistapart.com/articles/horizdropdowns

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Re: [css-d] div appears to close before

[Ray Leventhal]

> Subject: [css-d] div appears to close before 
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm having a strange problem with this page:
>
> http://www.cprtools.net/downloads/dl4.php
>
> in that the series of tables are all wrapped in  a div (#container)
> which has its background set to white (css in
> http://www.cprtools.net/downloads/dl.css):
>
> #container {
> margin: 3em 10em;
> background-color: white;
> height: 100%;
> min-width: 770px;
> border: 1px black solid;
> }
>

Colin Clark wrote:
>> Hi Ray,
>> 
>> I tried removing height:100% from the container div and it appears to
>> solve your problem.
>> 
>> Colin
>> 

Hi Colin,

Thanks for that! I don't know why 100% would cause the div to truncate,
but your solution sure worked.

Anyone know why that would cause the displayed behaviour?

Kind regards,
~Ray

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[css-d] div appears to close before

[Ray Leventhal]

Hi all,

I'm having a strange problem with this page:

http://www.cprtools.net/downloads/dl4.php

in that the series of tables are all wrapped in  a div (#container)
which has its background set to white (css in
http://www.cprtools.net/downloads/dl.css):

#container {
margin: 3em 10em;
background-color: white;
height: 100%;
min-width: 770px;
border: 1px black solid;
}

The idea is that the white background will be behind all the listed
tables, right through the end of the content.

The issue, in each browser I have checked in (FF, Opera, Safari - all
Win) is that 'container' seems to close after the caption on the VDx
ViewDisk table (about 3/4 the way down the page).

I've traversed through the markup and definitely do not see a  for
that box until just before the  tag, but it sure seems as if the
div is closing early.

I realize that the page markup doesn't validate at present due to the
use of two deprecated tags in  which is being pulled in as
an include, but I don't think that has anything to do with this issue.
CSS seems to pass validator muster.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Kind regards,
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[css-d] IE and blocking content

[Ray Mike Troy Pello]

Hey guys,

Just wanted to ask as to why IE (esp 6 and 7) block some javascripts and 
css? I am making a site that uses DW spring framework and IE just blocks 
the script and everything.

I wanted to ask whether there are some workaround on this or just simply 
make a script to do detection for IE and don't load the script?

Regards,
- Ray
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Re: [css-d] table woes...IE/Safari

[Ray Leventhal]

Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:
> On Dec 5, 2007, at 5:34 AM, Ray Leventhal wrote:
> 

> 
> Vertical margins on captions or margin handling in the table/caption  
> combo is completely br0ken in Safari. Nothing you can do about it.
> For IE Win, I found that wrapping the contents of the caption in a  
> , and styling that as display:block + margins to taste usually  
> gives decent result. (note: I said usually).
> 
> In your case, I'd go for margin-bottom on the table(s) and the h2  
> that precedes the tables.

Hi Philippe,

Thank you for your advice; all is working as expected in those browsers
which respect caption styling.

Is there a way to conditionally hand-off CSS directives to browsers
other than IE? (e.g. Safari?)

Regards,
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Re: [css-d] Missing Texts

[Ray Leventhal]

Mauro Lages wrote:
> Hi;
> 
> I would like to know if anynone have seen a strange error in IE 6 where the 
> texts are desappearing, but appear when you scroll the page, or press alt+tab 
> twice backing to the original window or select the text's area.
> 
> 
> Cya!
> Mauro Lages
Hi Mauro,

Can't be sure without a test case, but it sure sounds to me like the
dreaded IE peek-a-boo bug [1].

HTH,
~Ray
[1] http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/peekaboo.html

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[css-d] table woes...IE/Safari

[Ray Leventhal]

Hi all,

I'm working on a page:

http://www.cprtools.net/downloads/dl3.php

which renders as expected in FF/Win and Opera/Win.

In Safari/Win, I'm seeing the captions far away from the tables they are
associated with.  This has me stumped.


I'm resetting CSS values using Eric's reset:
http://www.cprtools.net/downloads/reset.css

then, styling with:
http://www.cprtools.net/downloads/dl.css

In IE7 (of course), I'm seeing very different spacing between the tables
and have, as yet, been unable to make it look as it does in FF/Win.

Browsercam shots of this page are here:
http://www.browsercam.com/public.aspx?proj_id=394662

I'm prepared to feed IE unique styles if needed, but I just don't see
what needs to be done.

Any/all suggestions are more than welcome.

Thanks in advance and kind regards,
~Ray


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Re: [css-d] how to achieve space between ul ul li

[Ray Leventhal]

> I have been trying for some time to get some distance
> between 
>
> ul
>   li
>   li
> ul
>   li
>   li
>/ul
>   li
>
> the last two li's and have had NO success. I have
> tried ever which way that I can think of and nothing
> happens.
>
>   
Hi,

I'm sure wiser minds than I will find a more elegant solution, but using
Firebug, this seemed to do the trick for me

change this:
nav li {
font-size:1em;
line-height:1.6em;
list-style-type:none;
padding:0pt .2em; /* wrong order, gives 0.2em width to l/r instead
of top/bottom which is what you want.
padding: 0.2em 0;
}

I hope this helps...but was only a quick try.

Kind regards,
~Ray




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Re: [css-d] tables, forms and layout issues [SOLVED]

[Ray Leventhal]

Ray Leventhal wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm trying to wrap up the page located at:
> http://www.cprtools.net/international/inquiry.php
> 
> CSS:
> http://www.cprtools.net/international/international.css
> 


With thanks to Mr. Laasko for his reply on the WSG list, this issue is
mostly solved :)

Thanks,
~Ray

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[css-d] tables, forms and layout issues

[Ray Leventhal]

Hi all,

I'm trying to wrap up the page located at:
http://www.cprtools.net/international/inquiry.php

CSS:
http://www.cprtools.net/international/international.css

Issues I seem to be having:
1) Ideally, I'd like #head #general and the table to all appear as one
unit, with a white background, centered in the viewport.  I've managed
to mangle this a few different ways and have finally gotten it to where
there are gaps but they're not horribly ugly.  Still, finding out
why/how is my goal.

2) Until I placed the submit button in a cell which is marked-up with
colspan=4, I couldn't get the button to center.  Clearly the button
isn't tabular data, so I'd rather it not be in a cell, but would like it
centered.

3) and somewhat OT; my JS email checker isn't working; I'm willing to
blame it on tired eyes, as this is the same script I've used in myriad
places without issue. (any kind replies to this one, offlist is fine).

Thanks in advance for any advice offered,

~Ray
(apologies if this is a double-post)

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[css-d] tables, forms and layout issues

[Ray Leventhal]

Hi all,

I'm trying to wrap up the page located at:
http://www.cprtools.net/international/inquiry.php

CSS:
http://www.cprtools.net/international/international.css

Issues I seem to be having:
1) Ideally, I'd like #head #general and the table to all appear as one
unit, with a white background, centered in the viewport.  I've managed
to mangle this a few different ways and have finally gotten it to where
there are gaps but they're not horribly ugly.  Still, finding out
why/how is my goal.

2) Until I placed the submit button in a cell which is marked-up with
colspan=4, I couldn't get the button to center.  Clearly the button
isn't tabular data, so I'd rather it not be in a cell, but would like it
centered.

3) and somewhat OT; my JS email checker isn't working; I'm willing to
blame it on tired eyes, as this is the same script I've used in myriad
places without issue. (any kind replies to this one, offlist is fine).

Thanks in advance for any advice offered,

~Ray


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Re: [css-d] FF/IE layout issues with a table and a float

[Ray Leventhal]

> >

> > Problem 1:
> > I'm looking for the  to float right within  > id="general">.  In IE7, I see the text at the bottom of the form
fields
> > within #general.  In FF, well...it's mangled, displaying under the
> > table.
> >
> > Problem 2:
> > In Win/IE 6&7, I am seeing a gap between the bottom edge of
#head and
> > the start of #general.
> >
> > Jim Davis wrote:
>> >> For problem 1, in div general try adding display: table;. This should
>> >> fix the table problem in FF.
>> >>
>> >> If it were me I would not set a margin value in the body or html to
>> >> anything other than zero.. You currently have a  40 px  top margin set
>> >> in the body which could be inherited by other divs. You may want to
>> >> remove that margin rule from the body and apply it only to your header
>> >> div. This may help with problem 2.
>> >>
>> >> Jim

Thank you Jim,

setting display:table did help some, and  removing the margin-top on
body did remove the separation between #general and the table.  I've a
bit more to do but your suggestions have moved me along some  :)

~Ray
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[css-d] FF/IE layout issues with a table and a float

[Ray Leventhal]

Hi all,

I've got a page with some static content and a set of dynamic tabular
data is being pushed into a table structure.  We've got a mix of form
and text elements.

Markup:
http://www.cprtools.net/international/inquiry.php

CSS:
http://www.cprtools.net/international/international.css


I've worked through some validation issues and the page now validates
for both CSS and XHTML, but as you may have guessed from the subject,
there are layout issues, some in FF and some in IE.

Problem 1:
I'm looking for the  to float right within .  In IE7, I see the text at the bottom of the form fields
within #general.  In FF, well...it's mangled, displaying under the table.

Problem 2:
In Win/IE 6&7, I am seeing a gap between the bottom edge of #head and
the start of #general.

I'm sure I've overlooked something fairly simple, and I know that the
CSS does need some trimming out of redundancies and likely some unneeded
code.

Any suggestions for layout would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
~Ray



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Re: [css-d] Global CSS conflicts

[Ray Leventhal]

Ben Clarke wrote:
> Hi Christine,
> 
> Could you not create a separate stylesheet for the ticker if you don't
> have access to the main stylesheet, and specify the elements you want
> to style differently there? Or, not ideal, place those styles in the
> head of the page?
> 
> eg.
> 
> #yourticker .someclass {
> }
> 
> Ben
> 
> 


To further Ben's comments and in addressing one of the initial concerns:

> Is there any change I can make to the widget so that it can NOT be touched
> by global CSS?

Perhaps include, prior to any styles for the div which will contain the
widget, a reset like Eric's [1] or others?  Just a thought.

HTH,
~Ray

[1] http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/05/01/reset-reloaded/

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Re: [css-d] variables in CSS - changing background image by page

[Ray Leventhal]

Rick Lecoat wrote:
> On 6/11/07 (18:20) Ray said:
> 
>> Wow...I can't believe I hadn't thought of that  :)   sure beats adding
>> scripting when it's not otherwise needed!
>>
>> Thanks, Rick!
> 
> Well, Ray, most of the time I'm the one asking for help (and lots of it)
> on this forum (and others), so it's just nice to able to contribute
> something back now and again. Plus it reassures me that I *am* learning
> this stuff, even if most of the time I feel like a total CSS newbie.
> Best...

ditto to the 'most of the time' comment.  I'm a coder mostly, PHP these
days, and am loving the control and elegance of CSS.  When combined with
server side scripting (and now - for me - js...a whole new world) I find
myself fighting to keep it simple, since it's more fun seeing what can
be done :)

Kindest regards,
~Ray

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Re: [css-d] variables in CSS - changing background image by page

[Ray Leventhal]

> > Yeah, it's totally possible, unless I'm misunderstanding your needs.
> > If you have a unique id for each page's body and a div that reoccurs on
> > each page (using the same ID each time) for the image, then you simply
> > define css for each combination. The css might get a little verbose if
> > you have lots of pages to account for, but the only extra markup is the
> > id on the body tag.
> >
> > PAGE 1
> > ---
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
> >
> > PAGE 2
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
> > CSS
> > 
> >
> > #home #imageholder {
> > background: url(myHomeImage.jpg) left top scroll no-repeat;
> > }
> > #about #imageholder {
> > background: url(myAboutImage.jpg) left top scroll no-repeat;
> > }
> >
Wow...I can't believe I hadn't thought of that  :)   sure beats adding
scripting when it's not otherwise needed!

Thanks, Rick!

~R

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Re: [css-d] variables in CSS - changing background image by page

[Ray Leventhal]

Anne E. Shroeder wrote:
> I need to be able to change the background-image value for one of my s 
> by page.  In other words, every page needs a different background-image for 
> the #util_header id.


> 
> I'm wondering what the most efficient way would be to call up the proper 
> image for each page without building separate classes (or ids) for every 
> single page?  Here are two graphics to give an example of what I'm working 
> with.
> http://www.serendipitycreative.com/goetz/test.htm
> 

Hi Anne,

I'm not sure the answer is on topic, but it seems that I've done this
with a bit of server side scripting (I'm sure js would work too, but I
am not a js coder).

If you'd like more info, I'd be happy to answer off-list as my reply
isn't CSS based, but uses PHP to generate an ID for any ID-able element.

HTH,
~Ray

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Re: [css-d] Horizontal list is vertical in IE?

[Ray Leventhal]

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> I have a simple test file, which tries to make a horizontal list, with images 
> and text, full code below. In FF, the choices display horizontally, but not 
> in IE. What am I missing?
> -
> 
> 



> ---
> Mark Wilson, Computer Programming Unlimited

Hi Mark,

First, a link would make things a bit easier to look at and debug; that
having been said, and without my having posted your code to my dev
server, I'm going to guess that a full DTD will get IE behaving in ways
that, while not necessarily compliant, are consistent.

I'd start there and see if that clears up your IE issue.  Having read (a
lot) on this list of how bizare IE's Quirks mode can be, I'd bet that'll
help some.

I do hope this helps some.

Kind regards,
~Ray


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[css-d] spry experiences

[Raumin "Ray" Dehghan]

Colleagues:

  I am inquiring as to any experiences any of you have with using
Spry, the Adobe tool that allows for the development of Ajax-powered
web pages.

  As I understand it, one thing it does is it creates a "more
efficient designer-developer workflow" and separates the back-end
applications (asp?, php?) from the front end?

  Any input as to experiences with Spry would be much appreciated.

Sincerely,
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Re: [css-d] Test in IE 6 and IE 7 please

[Ray Leventhal]

Apologies to all for the multi-post.  seems my mail server hiccuped at
just the wrong moment

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Re: [css-d] Test in IE 6 and IE 7 please

[Ray Leventhal]

Georg Portenkirchner wrote:
> Hello all!
> 
> As I have no PC by hand right now, it would be nice to get feedback  
> what are the problems in IE for this site:
> 
> http://www.theaterjugendring.de/index.php
> http://www.theaterjugendring.de/wp-content/themes/tjr/style.css
> 
Georg,

I've taken screenshots in WindowsVistaIE7 and XP/IE6/7 of your site.
Browsercam should have them avail within 30 mins of this mail (or so).

HTH,
~Ray

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[css-d] widening center content

[Raumin "Ray" Dehghan]

Colleagues:

  I want to thank everyone for the help on widening the center
content.  I was able to line things up at least for the time being.

  I'm using static positioning on the template I'm using now.

Sincerely,
Raumin "Ray" Dehghan
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[css-d] php

[Raumin "Ray" Dehghan]

Colleagues:

  Does anybody have recommendations for a good book and/or websites
for beginning php?

Thanks
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Re: [css-d] Best option for simple contact form?

[Ray Leventhal]

> On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 13:38:21 +0530, Rahul Gonsalves replied:
>> I have had good results with this form. It seems well thought out.
>>
>> http://green-beast.com/blog/?page_id=71
> 
> After building my own PHP-driven form that got spammed within a week,
> I came across the form script that Rahul refers to. I agree with
> his recommendation.
My .02:

I'd not seen M. Cherim's solution (link in above quoted text) but it's
not only elegant, well documented and simple, it really does all it says
it will.

I'll be forwarding that to any client who asks about forms and security
and putting it in my bi-monthly design promo/newsletter to clients.

Thank you Rahul, for the link...and, as always, to this list for the
amazing amount of knowledge shared.

Kind regards,
~Ray

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Re: [css-d] Weird IE6 Navigation Issue

[Ray Leventhal]

Jeph wrote:
> Any CSS people out there have time to look at a problem I'm having?
> 
> http://omnidev2.com/MOAA/1.html
> 
> The navigation on this page works well in IE6 except for the last menu 
> item. No dropdown appears but the hover image does. We've been looking 
> at it for days we're stumped - it makes no sense.  Is anyone out there 
> not stumped and know why this is happening?



Hi Jeph,

I can't say I know the answer, but there's another oddity that was
either left out or overlooked.

Your horizontal nav items are set to turn red on hover.  That's what I'm
seeing in FF2/Win or IE7/Win - the dropdowns do work on those browsers.
 When looking on IE6/WinXPSP2, as you rightly mentioned, the dropdowns
work for all but the last 'About Us'.  However, I did notice that none
of the working dropdowns are turning red on hover.  What's weird is that
the last one, 'About Us', that /isn't/ dropping down, is turning red.

Perhaps that will lend a clue?

HTH.

Kind regards,
~Ray

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[css-d] widening center content - margin property

[Raumin "Ray" Dehghan]

Colleagues:

   I am sending a modified form of a message I recently sent.

  I am frankly confused about how margins are working, especially in regard
to center content  in my site.

   In the css file among listed below, I am trying to get the center
material, which is a picture with a paragraph of gibberish below, to expand
horizontally to the right so that it fills the white space currently there.

   the center material is located in the div#content

   div#content is located inside another div#wrapper

  I have been experimenting by changing the values in div#content.

When I made the right margin value in #content 200px, the center content
moved under the left nav bar.

When I made the right margin value in #content 100px, the center content
then expanded, but a bit more than i wanted.

I have been trying to read up on it, but I'm not sure how this margin
property works?

Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.

here is the html:

http://www.westchicago.lib.il.us/R/stuff/newlayout/wcpld_b1.html

below is the css and the javascript file:

http://www.westchicago.lib.il.us/R/stuff/newlayout/layout2.css

http://www.westchicago.lib.il.us/R/stuff/newlayout/wcpld.js


Thank you very much for any help.

Sincerely,
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[css-d] widening center content

[Raumin "Ray" Dehghan]

Colleagues:

   In the css file among listed below, I am trying to get the center
material, which is a picture with a paragraph of gibberish below, to expand
horizontally to the right so that it fills the white space currently there.

   the center material is located in the div#content

   div#content is located inside another div#wrapper

here is the html:

http://www.westchicago.lib.il.us/R/stuff/newlayout/wcpld_b1.html

below is the css and the javascript file:

http://www.westchicago.lib.il.us/R/stuff/newlayout/layout2.css

http://www.westchicago.lib.il.us/R/stuff/newlayout/wcpld.js


Thank you very much for any help.

Sincerely,
Raumin "Ray" Dehghan
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Re: [css-d] cursor: url('/path/to/cursor.cur/'); support in 'browser land'

[Ray Leventhal]

Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:

> 
> On Gecko, it is currently only implemented on Windows (and maybe  
> Linux for the nightly builds, not sure).
> 
> Philippe

Thanks, Philippe...much appreciated.
~Ray


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Re: [css-d] cursor: url('/path/to/cursor.cur/'); support in 'browser land'

[Ray Leventhal]

Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
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> <http://www.webdevout.net/browser-support-css>
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> regards
> Georg

Thank you, Georg.

~Ray
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[css-d] three numbers

[Raumin \"Ray\" Dehghan]

Colleagues,

  When you have three separate numbers, such as the three after the "margin"
in the following bracket, can somebody tell me what that means?

{margin:0 10px 10px}

Thanks,
Ray Dehghan
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[css-d] cursor: url('/path/to/cursor.cur/'); support in 'browser land'

[Ray Leventhal]

Hi all,

Is there a resource anyone is familiar with where I might find a list of
 browsers that support the cursor: CSS directive?

TIA,
~Ray

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[css-d] thank you

[Raumin \"Ray\" Dehghan]

Colleagues

  Thank you very much for your help with css layout books and websites.  I'm
finding Meyer's css and the css anthology book especially helpful.

Sincerely,
Raumin "Ray" Dehghan
West Chicago Public Library
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