Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Secret Evidence Against Bill Too Shocking for

1998-12-25 Thread JYester

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In a message dated 12/24/98 11:08:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Well, at long last. I'm so glad to hear someone else say it. Seemed
  to me that all through this business Starr's "investigation," and the
  House Committee has been dealing with Clinton as if he were a bad
  child who had no other right than to hang his head, admit he was
  "bad," and take his punishment. As if any attempt to defend himself
  was "abuse of power"--or childish impertinence before a Higher
  Power. And it is strange to realize how much of this business has to
  do with childish wishes for "revenge."
  sno0wl


It's a damned shame that this sorry mess has unfolded the way it has. But
don't forget that Clinton was impeached for perjury about sex because, for
assorted reasons, they weren't able, or were afraid to, stick him with the
real stuff, such as treason. That Clinton should have been impeached is an
inarguable point. And it would be an excellent step in the right direction if
the ball could be kept rolling and everybody else would be impeached too. The
way it's worked out though, it's like that ice cream cone you dropped in the
sand.

Jim

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[CTRL] For Whom The Polls Toll

1998-12-25 Thread Bill Kingsbury

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   http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/polls.htm
 ---

 For Whom The Polls Toll

 by L. Wolfe

 Printed in The American Almanac, May 5, 1997.
 ---

 In the 1996 national political conventions, ABC television unveiled
 what it called the latest "breakthrough" in polling -- the
 "Insta-poll."  A small "focus group" of selected individuals,
 supposedly a statistically valid demographic representation of the
 American population, sat in a room watching live telecasts of the
 Dole and Clinton acceptance speeches.  In their hands, they held a
 rheostat-like device with which they registered their pleasure or
 displeasure with statements made by the candidate as he was
 speaking.  These responses were fed into a computer, which then
 converted the aggregate responses into graphic representations,
 fluctuating on the screen as opinions instantly changed.  The ABC
 commentators proclaimed that this "new" technology enabled them to
 break down the speech, to analyze what parts of it "played in
 Peoria." [1]

 Graphic representations aside, the technology was hardly new.
 Some 60 years ago, a similar device had been developed as part of
 a Rockefeller Foundation-funded project, using the U.S. networks
 of Freudian brainwashers from the Frankfurt School's Institute for
 Social Research [2], and other operatives allied with the London
 Tavistock Institute, to study radio's impact on society and its
 potential for mass brainwashing.  Directing the so-called Radio
 Research Project, based at Princeton University, was one of the
 fathers of public opinion polling, Paul Lazersfeld, along with
 three others who were to become prominent in that "black art": the
 Tavistock-linked Gordon Allport, from Harvard; Hadley Cantril, who
 established one of the leading polling-profiling operations out of
 Princeton; and Frank Stanton, then the director of research for
 the CBS radio network, who was later to rise to head CBS's News
 Division, and still later to head both CBS network and the RAND
 Corporation.

 The crowning achievement of the Radio Research Project was the
 Stanton-Lazersfeld Program Analyzer, the so-called "Little Annie"
 -- a rheostat-like device with which test audiences could register
 the intensity of their likes and dislikes of radio programs, or
 commercials, on a moment-to-moment basis; the brainwashers were
 able to determine what particular characters or situations produced
 the desired, momentary feeling states in the target audience. [3]

 -

In The Beginning...


 All public opinion polling has its origins in "sociometrics," or
 statistical sociology, as developed in the early part of this
 century by Frankfurt School-linked operatives, including Max Weber.
 [4] It is based, as with ABC's Insta-Poll, or the Radio Research
 Project's "Little Annie," on the measurement of momentary feeling
 states, or opinions, on given subjects.  This provides a detailed
 profile of the prejudices and assumptions of a targetted
 population; as such, polls can be useful for mass brainwashing
 campaigns to shift opinions to those desired by those who run them.
 The mass media, as they developed through this century, from print,
 to radio, to television, became the principal vehicles for the
 promotion of such shifts.

 Creative thinking defies measurement in quantifiable terms.  It is
 impossible to come up with a statistical correlation, based on
 polling, that could determine whether one creative idea is better
 or more valid than another, whether it can be accepted by society
 as useful, important, or true.  As those involved with the Radio
 Research Project, and such American pollsters as George Gallup and
 Lou Harris, or Elmo Roper, "proved," opinions can be easily
 counted; other-directed Americans, always concerned about what
 their neighbors think, as determinant of what they should think
 about given subjects, were shown to be readily susceptible to
 manipulation by poll results, accepting the poll numbers as true,
 and being guided in their own actions by the perceived "majority
 opinion."

 Polling of the type that most Americans are familiar with began in
 the 1930s, becoming featured material on radio and in newspapers.
 At that time, most polls were conducted by national polling
 agencies, such as Gallup, Roper, or Harris, with specialized
 contracting handled through Cantril's operation at Princeton and,
 later, Allport's at Harvard.  By the late 1940s and early 1950s,
 the key U.S. nodes of Tavistock were conducting specialized polling
 operations, under contract from government agencies and the private
 sector.  In the 1960s, the television and radio networks linked up
 with major newspapers, such as the Washington Post and the New York
 Times, to run their own polling 

Re: [CTRL] Bogus Clinton Polls

1998-12-25 Thread Bill Kingsbury

 -Caveat Lector-

 http://www.msnbc.com

 Clinton doing well in opinion polls,
 but voter surveys tell a different story
 -
 By Jay Severin
 MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR

 Politicians rely on polls to guide them in deciding
 Clinton's fate, but not the polls you are seeing.

 Sept. 14 -- Depending on what the polls say, an American
 presidency is about to end or will survive.  Approval
 ratings will shape news media coverage of the Clinton
 scandal; how the public perceives the event; whether and how
 aggressively Democrats stand by their president; whether and
 how aggressively Republicans insist on impeachment.

 Indeed, now that Bill Clinton's fate is officially a
 political matter and not a legal one, polls are the coin
 of the realm.

 But virtually none of the various poll results in
 newspapers, on television or quoted online are regarded
 seriously by members of Congress, who will be making these
 monumental decisions.  The politicians are relying on polls,
 but not the ones you are seeing.

 Some key findings from weekend polls taken after the release
 of the Starr report:

  Do you approve of the job President Clinton is doing?

  Source
  Approve
   Disapprove
  NBC
  67%
   30%
  CBS
  61%
   34%
  ABC News
  59%
   39%

  Is your opinion of Bill Clinton favorable
  or not favorable?

  Source
  Favorable
   Unfavorable
  CBS
  39%
   47%

  Should Congress censure the president?

  Source

  Yes
   No
  CBS
  56%
   32%
  CNN
  59%
   35%

  Now that Congress has received the Starr report,
  should it hold impeachment hearings or drop
  the matter?

  Source
  Hold hearings
   Drop the matter
  ABC News
  53%
   42%

  The ABC phone survey of 508 adults on Saturday had a margin
  of error of plus or minus 4.5 percentage points.

  The CBS phone survey of 680 adults and the CNN phone survey
  of 902 adults, both on Saturday, had margins of error of
  plus or minus 4 percentage points.

  An NBC News poll of 783 adults taken Friday and Saturday
  had a margin of error of plus or minus 3.6 points.
Source: Associated Press


 How can you impeach a president with a 67 percent approval
 rating?  Here's how: members of Congress, especially
 Democrats, are chiefly concerned with one issue -- the
 impact of this political earthquake on their party and its
 1998 candidates.  The most compelling question in each
 lawmaker's mind is figuring out which position will help or
 hurt most on election day: defense of the president or the
 abandonment of him?

 ONLY VOTERS COUNT

 There is only one group that can meaningfully answer that
 question and it isn't just the American people.  A political
 fact of life is that the opinions politicians are concerned
 with are the American people who vote.

 It is another fact of life that only half of all Americans
 eligible to vote actually do so.  And those of us who do
 vote have markedly different (and fundamentally more
 conservative) attitudes than those who do not.

 As a result, the only public opinion polls that are going to
 genuinely influence this process are those that measure the
 attitudes of the people who are actually casting votes.
 These are not the polls you read about in the media.

 The oft-quoted public opinion polls are essentially
 insignificant samplings of the opinions of "randomly
 selected adults" or, perhaps even "registered voters."
 Fully half of these people are not voters.  What's more,
 these polls create a profile of the voting public that is a
 politically correct fantasy: each racial and ethnic group
 represented in exact proportion to their percentage of the
 population -- even though they have never voted in that
 volume.

 There are, however, accurate polls.  Actual participants in
 election day (known in the trade as "high-propensity likely
 voters") can be found through expensive and time-consuming
 professional screening techniques, which eliminate the
 ineligible and identify the actual voters.  These polls --
 privately commissioned by political parties or aspirants and
 conducted by such firms as Zogby International -- screen out
 all but actual voters, asking opinions of people who have
 voted in perhaps 10 of the last 11 elections.

 As a result, these high-priced and nearly always unpublished
 polls predict with great accuracy what will happen on
 election day.  And that, not popular sentiment, is what
 politicians want and need to know

 CLINTON'S NOT FARING WELL

 And guess what?  In the real-voter polls I have 

Re: [CTRL] Larry Flynt

1998-12-25 Thread Kenn Thomas

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This person is, of course, Stephanie Caruana, and I'm happy to see that she has
some internet presence. The friend from whom she recieved the Gemstone letters was
Mae Brussell, saintly mother of conspiracy research. Steamshovel did an interview
with Ms. Caruana that appears in the Popular Alienation book.

I'm currently at work pulling together various scraps of research on Gemstone for
a book that David Hatcher Childress hopes to have out by spring. There are already
three books out on the subject, one by Jim Keith (the IllumiNet book), another by
Richard Alan and Project Seek by Gerald Carroll.

kt

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[CTRL] Who said this? 3

1998-12-25 Thread nurev

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"  We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine
  and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and
  respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. He went on to
  explain: It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world 
if
  we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the
  world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world
  government. The supernational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world
  bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past
  centuries. "

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Re: [CTRL] (Fwd) Money Makes the World Go Round (was:Spend More, Save Les

1998-12-25 Thread Linda Minor

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sno0wl wrote:

Before the wheels of industry can be started; before manufacturers can
open their factories; before contractors can erect new buildings; before
real estate can be improved; money must be borrowed for the purpose and
interest must be paid for the use of it. And, do not forget that this money
has no value whatsoever, except as granted by everybody through acceptance
as a trade convenience.
 And right now, the money that ismade for everybody's use and benefit,
cannot be had  by everybody to use, nor does it benefit everybody. It is
manipulated by schemers who control it to milk everybody out of the fruit of
their labors, through a system of graft known as interest paying for money
loans. So instead of being convenience and a benefit for everybody, it is a
plague that continuously exterminates the people of all classes and
stations.
  Ten percent of the population of the US, controls 90 percent of the
money and if this money slicing is kept up much longer through the payment
of compound interest, the percentage of population controlling the money
will shrink to 1 percent or a fraction thereof. This shrinkage of the
ownership of money will continue as long as the interset system is kept up,
all laws for the regulation of industry to the contrary notwithstanding.

=

My research indicates that the money used to finance new industry in many
cases comes from so-called "investment trusts" based in Scotland, which are
affiliated with banks in Montreal and Toronto.  If you read Tarpley and
Chaitkin's Unauthorized Biography of George Bush, you'll see that's exactly
where he got his "venture capital," as did Eugene Meyer, one of his
investors.  This "capital" was earned from vice--first slavery, piracy,
opium, prohibited liquor; then from mining of strategic minerals from
colonies like South Africa, South America and Canada.  The chartered
companies like British East India Company and Hudson's Bay Company were set
up to loot the resources for the benefit of shareholders.  The profits went
back to the company and were reinvested in bonds of American railroad
companies, utility companies, and even agricultural and land development
syndicates like United Fruit.  The so-called CIA front companies can be
traced in their origin to these Scottish investment trusts, the Bank of
Montreal and Toronto-Dominion Bank as well as the HongKong and Shanghai
bank.  It's the biggest business there is, and the men who are set up in
business--who receive the "venture capital"--are part of the network
maintained by secret societies such as Skull and Bones and the advanced
Masonic degrees.

The companies which issue the securities learned about 50 years ago to take
stock in lieu of cash, and to demand a seat on the board of directors.  If
the company does well, they get more stock in order to acquire control of
the company.  But the securities issuers are only as powerful as the
connections they have to the people who market the securities--that is, the
mutual fund companies and insurance companies who use money invested by
hard-working people to fund their evil empire.

Here are a few of the companies and the site where they are indexed:


Member's Directory
Member's Home
3i GROUP
3i SMALLER QUOTED COS
ABERDEEN ASIAN SMALLER(w)
ABERDEEN CONVERTIBLE INC
ABERDEEN EMER ECONOMIES(w)
ABERDEEN EMERGING ASIA(O)(w)
ABERDEEN EUROPEAN(w)
ABERDEEN HIGH INCOME
ABERDEEN LATIN AMERICAN(w)
ABERDEEN NEW DAWN(w)
ABERDEEN NEW THAI
ABERDEEN PREF SECURITIES
ABERDEEN PREFERRED INCOME(N)
ABERFORTH SMALLER COS(w)
ABERFORTH SPLIT LEVEL
ABTRUST SCOTLAND(w)
ADVANCE DEV MARKETS
ADVANCE UK TRUST
AIM TRUST
ALBANY
ALLIANCE
AMERICAN OPPORTUNITY
ANGLO  OVERSEAS
ARCHIMEDES
ASSET MANAGEMENT(w)
AURORA
AUSTRALIAN OPPORTUNITIES
BAILLIE GIFF JAPAN
BAILLIE GIFF SHIN NIPPON(w)
BANKERS
BARING EMERGING EUROPE($)(w)
BEACON(w)
BETA GLOBAL EMERGING MKTS
BFS INCOME  GROWTH
BRAZILIAN INVESTMENT($)(w)
BRITANNIA SMALLER CO'S(w)
BRITISH ASSETS(N)(w)
BRITISH EMPIRE SECURITIES(N)
BROADGATE(N)(w)
BRUNNER
CAIRNGORM BUILDING SOC(w)
CAIRNGORM DEMUTUALISATION(w)
CANADIAN GENERAL(w)
CANDOVER
CAPITAL GEARING
CAPITAL OPPORTUNITIES
CHARTER EUROPEAN
CITY MERCHANTS HIGH YIELD
CITY OF LONDON
CITY OF OXFORD(w)
CU ENVIRONMENTAL(w)
CZECH  SLOVAK($)(w)
DARTMOOR(N)(w)
DRESDNER RCM EMER MARKET(w)
DRESDNER RCM INCOME GRWTH
DRESDNER RCM SMALLER COS
DUNEDIN ENTERPRISE
DUNEDIN INCOME GROWTH
DUNEDIN SMALLER COMPANIES
EAGLET(w)
EDINBURGH DRAGON(w)
EDINBURGH INCA(w)
EDINBURGH INCOME
EDINBURGH INVESTMENT
EDINBURGH JAPAN(w)
EDINBURGH JAVA(w)
EDINBURGH NEW TIGER(w)
EDINBURGH SMALL COMPANIES(w)
EDINBURGH UK TRACKER
EDINBURGH US TRACKER
EDINBURGH WORLDWIDE
ELECTRA
ENGLISH  SCOTTISH
ENTERPRISE CAPITAL(w)
EUROLAND PLUS
EUROPEAN ASSETS
EXETER PREFERRED CAPITAL(N)
FIDELITY ASIAN VALUES(w)
FIDELITY EUROPEAN VAL(N)(w)
FIDELITY JAPANESE VALUES(w)
FIDELITY SPECIAL VALUES(N)(w)
FINSBURY GROWTH
FINSBURY INCOME  GROWTH
FINSBURY INT'L HEDGE
FINSBURY SMALLER COS
FINSBURY TECHNOLOGY

[CTRL] Unemployed Oil

1998-12-25 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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From:  Reuters

Friday December 25 1:51 AM ET

Japan Hit With Record Unemployment On Christmas

By Yoko Nishikawa

TOKYO (Reuters) - There was no Christmas cheer in Japan Friday as the
government delivered dismal economic data and the worst jobless numbers in
46 years.

The government announced the nation's jobless rate hit 4.4 percent in
November, matching that of the United States for the first time ever.

The unemployment rate was the highest since Japan began collecting the data
by present methods in 1953.

The U.S. rate fell to 4.4 percent in November from 4.6 percent the previous
month as the U.S. economy continued to create new jobs.

``Labor market conditions are becoming more severe,'' said Labor Minister
Akira Amari, adding that an early economic recovery was an urgent task for
the government in order to improve employment conditions.

Some government officials admitted worse employment conditions would be
unavoidable for a while.

Asked about matching the U.S. jobless rate, Economic Planning Agency
Minister Taichi Sakaiya said: ``We are not competing with the United States
and that is not the issue. But the jobless rate of 4.4 percent is a level
that we need to regard seriously.''

Though some economists have said the jobless rates in Japan and the United
States cannot be compared due to data collection and cultural differences,
Japanese government officials and some economists disagreed. ``There has
been such views, but they are comparable, as the Japanese government
says,'' said Yasushi Okada, chief economist at CS First Boston in Tokyo.

``The International Labor Organization has also studied the issue and
concluded that the jobless rates (in the two countries, when accounting for
the different methods) come out with only slight differences,'' he added.

The rise in joblessness is seen by some as signaling the arrival of a new
era for Japanese workers, many of whom work in large companies where they
have traditionally taken comfort in a so-called ``lifetime employment''
system.

``I think it is likely that a meltdown in the lifetime employment system is
going to start,'' the EPA's Sakaiya said.

As fears over deflationary pressure linger, Tokyo's core consumer prices --
excluding fresh food prices that have surged in recent months -- fell for
the fourth consecutive month in December, marking the longest string of
declines for the index.

Added to the weak statistics were a 2.0 percent fall in industrial output
in November from the previous month and a 2.9 percent year-on-year decline
in retail sales.

The Trade Ministry said industrial production remained stagnant, adding
that inventories were at high levels despite some progress in companies'
efforts to reduce them.

In the financial market, Japanese government bonds (JGBs) were supported by
the weak data, with the yield of the key JGB off the week's high, easing
worries that higher interest rates would hit the country's already wounded
economy.

Tokyo share prices and the yen advanced moderately due to calmer waters in
the bond market. The benchmark Nikkei 225 average ended up 0.67 percent at
13,797.95 while the dollar hovered around 116 yen.

But Friday's economic indicators, including a plunge in housing starts and
construction orders in November, are likely to overshadow optimism
expressed by some Japanese policymakers who have said they see the first
signs of an economic recovery.

November housing starts were down 16 percent year-on-year while
construction orders dropped a whopping 21.3 percent.

In a continued effort to pull the economy out of its recession, the
government is due to approve its expansionary budget for the next business
year starting next April later Friday.

Finance Minister Kiichi Miyazawa said Friday the budget draft was compiled
with the government's ``best effort'' to achieve the 0.5 percent economic
growth it has forecast for fiscal 1999/2000.

From Associated Press

Friday December 25 10:24 AM ET

Singapore: Jobless To Exceed 30,000

SINGAPORE (AP) - More than 30,000 Singaporeans will be out of work by the
end of the year, exceeding the government's projections, the head of the
city-state's largest union was quoted Friday as saying.

``In the fourth quarter, retrenchment has gone up compared to'' the
previous three months, Cyrille Tan, head of the United Workers of
Electronic and Electrical Industries, told The Business Times.

``We estimate that it will exceed 30,000 for the year, which means some
10,000 were laid off this quarter.''

The Ministry of Manpower had projected the year's total layoffs would not
exceed 30,000 in the country of 3.1 million people. The unemployment rate
for September was 4.5 percent, almost double June's 2.3 percent, according
to government figures.

Singapore is in the midst of one of the worst economic downturns in its
33-year history. During the last recession in 1985, the number of jobless
totaled 19,529.

Thursday December 24 2:58 AM ET

[CTRL] Fwd: Christmas In Exile: a message from Michael Boren Williams to theworld

1998-12-25 Thread RoadsEnd






 christmas-in-exile.rm.ra



Re: [CTRL] Who said this? 3

1998-12-25 Thread BStokes45

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Correct, David Rockefeller 1991 in Baden-Baden Germany.

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Time to End CEOs 5-Year NAFTA Party

1998-12-25 Thread BStokes45

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In a message dated 98-12-24 18:15:40 EST, you write:

 The remaining manufacturing jobs are under severe pressure. While factory
 jobs in the United States pay, on average, more than $18 an hour,
 maquiladora workers in high-tech foreign plants in Mexico earn about a
 buck and a half an hour.

Anyone know where they got this estimate... Since retiring from the USAF I've
only recently been promoted to technician and I don't make near $18 an hour.
They must have gotten the numbers from a union state, certainly not Colorado.

 Employers have made explicit use of the threat to move to Mexico to beat
 back union organizing efforts, as well as to deny demands for wage
 increases. Cornell researcher Kate Bronfenbrenner has documented a
 tripling of employer plant-closing threats during union organizing drives
 since NAFTAUs adoption.

The company I worked for a few years ago (Digital) sent our hard disk drive
manufacturing business to Malaysia lost a lot of money, cost of the
building, cost of providing education (2 years college and unemployment
benefits) for displaced workers, as well as losing the business ( they sold
the hard disk and tape drive business, later sold out to Compaq... what little
remained of the business).  Too bad this doesn't happen to more businesses.

 Meanwhile, NAFTA has simultaneously failed to deliver the touted benefits
 for Mexico. In a kind of mutant industrialization, NAFTA has turned huge
 swaths of the country into a processor of goods for export to the United
 States. The nationwide export processing zone model has proved an abject
 failure. There are few linkages between the export factories and the rest
 of the economy. Small Mexican business has collapsed. WorkersU
 productivity is up 36 percent since NAFTA went into effect, but Mexican
 wages fell 29 percent between 1993 and 1997. 

The Corporations got what they wanted in Mexico... more work for less pay, but
some people still don't believe we need unions... they certainly need unions
in Mexico.

Regards,
Bob Stokes

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[CTRL] Microwaved food, no good?

1998-12-25 Thread Teo1000

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From Trufax.org (Leading Edge International)
Teo1000

Court Removes Gag Order from Swiss Scientist on Microwaved Food
Hans Hertel is the first scientist to conceive of and carry out a quality
study on the effects of microwaved nutrients on the blood and physiology of
human beings. This small but well-controlled study pointed the firm finger at
a degenerative force of microwave ovens and the food produced in them. The
conclusion was clear: microwave cooking changed the nutrients so that changes
took place in the participants' blood; these were not healthy changes but were
changes that could cause deterioration in the human systems. Working with
Bernard H. Blanc of the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology and the
University Institute for Biochemistry, Hertel not only conceived of the study
and carried it out, he was one of eight participants. In 1991 Hans Ulrich
Hertel and a Lausanne University professor published a research paper
indicating that food cooked in microwave ovens could pose a greater risk to
health than food cooked by conventional means.

Significant changes were discovered in the blood of the volunteers who
consumed foods cooked in the microwave oven. These changes included a decrease
in all haemoglobin values and cholesterol values, especially the HDL (good
cholesterol) and LDL (bad cholesterol) values and ratio. Lymphocytes (white
blood cells) showed a more distinct short-term decrease following the intake
of microwaved food than after the intake of all the other variants. Each of
these indicators point in a direction away from robust health and toward
degeneration. Additionally, there was a highly significant association between
the amount of microwave energy in the test foods and the luminous power of
luminescent bacteria exposed to serum from test persons who ate that food.
This led Hertel to the conclusion that such technically derived energies may,
indeed, be passed along to man inductively via consumption of microwaved food.

An article appeared in issue number 19 of the Journal Franz Weber in which it
was stated that the consumption of food cooked in microwave ovens had cancer-
type effects on the blood. The article was followed by the research paper
itself.

On 7 August 1992 the Swiss Association of Manufacturers and Suppliers of
Household Appliances brought an action against the applicant in the Canton of
Berne Commercial Court. It produced an expert report by a professor at Zürich
Federal Institute of Technology from which it appeared that the applicant’s
research was worthless and his findings untenable.

As soon as Hertel and Blanc announced their results, the hammer of authority
slammed down on them. A powerful trade organisation, the Swiss Association of
Dealers for Electroapparatuses for Households and Industry, known simply as
FEA, struck swiftly. They forced the President of the Court of Seftigen,
Kanton Bern, to issue a 'gag order' against Hertel and Blanc. The attack was
so ferocious that Blanc quickly recanted his support-but it was too late. He
had already put into writing his views on the validity of the studies where he
concurred with the opinion that microwaved food caused the blood
abnormalities. Hertel stood his ground, and today is steadfastly demanding his
rights to a trial. Preliminary hearings on the matter have been appealed to
higher courts, and it's quite obvious the powers that be do not want a 'show
trial' to erupt on this issue.

In March 1993, the court handed down this decision based upon the complaint of
the FEA: "Consideration. 1. Request from the plaintiff (FEA) to prohibit the
defendant (Dr Ing. Hans Hertel) from declaring that food prepared in the
microwave oven shall be dangerous to health and lead to changes in the blood
of consumers, giving reference to pathologic troubles as also indicative for
the beginning of a cancerous process. The defendant shall be prohibited from
repeating such a statement in publications and in public talks by punishment
laid down in the law.death in connection with microwave ovens.

However, in 1998 that decision was reversed. In a judgment delivered at
Strasbourg on 25 August 1998 in the case of Hertel v. Switzerland, the
European Court of Human Rights held that there had been a violation of
Hertel's rights in the 1993 decision . Under Article 50 of the Convention, the
Court awarded the applicant a specified sum for legal costs and expenses.

The European Court of Human Rights decided that the "gag order" issued by the
Swiss courts against the Bernese scientist prohibiting him from declaring that
microwave ovens are dangerous to health was contrary to the right to freedom
of expression. In addition, Switzerland was sentenced to pay compensation of F
40,000. This decision is to put an end to judicial censorship of persons
drawing attention to the health hazards of certain products.

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Re: [CTRL] (Fwd) Money Makes the World Go Round (was:Spend More, Save Les

1998-12-25 Thread William Hugh Tunstall

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Thanks for the excellent critique.  You've been doing your homework!
Regards,
Wm

On Fri, 25 Dec 1998, Linda Minor wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 sno0wl wrote:

 Before the wheels of industry can be started; before manufacturers can
 open their factories; before contractors can erect new buildings; before
 real estate can be improved; money must be borrowed for the purpose and
 interest must be paid for the use of it. And, do not forget that this money
 has no value whatsoever, except as granted by everybody through acceptance
 as a trade convenience.
  And right now, the money that ismade for everybody's use and benefit,
 cannot be had  by everybody to use, nor does it benefit everybody. It is
 manipulated by schemers who control it to milk everybody out of the fruit of
 their labors, through a system of graft known as interest paying for money
 loans. So instead of being convenience and a benefit for everybody, it is a
 plague that continuously exterminates the people of all classes and
 stations.
   Ten percent of the population of the US, controls 90 percent of the
 money and if this money slicing is kept up much longer through the payment
 of compound interest, the percentage of population controlling the money
 will shrink to 1 percent or a fraction thereof. This shrinkage of the
 ownership of money will continue as long as the interset system is kept up,
 all laws for the regulation of industry to the contrary notwithstanding.

 =

 My research indicates that the money used to finance new industry in many
 cases comes from so-called "investment trusts" based in Scotland, which are
 affiliated with banks in Montreal and Toronto.  If you read Tarpley and
 Chaitkin's Unauthorized Biography of George Bush, you'll see that's exactly
 where he got his "venture capital," as did Eugene Meyer, one of his
 investors.  This "capital" was earned from vice--first slavery, piracy,
 opium, prohibited liquor; then from mining of strategic minerals from
 colonies like South Africa, South America and Canada.  The chartered
 companies like British East India Company and Hudson's Bay Company were set
 up to loot the resources for the benefit of shareholders.  The profits went
 back to the company and were reinvested in bonds of American railroad
 companies, utility companies, and even agricultural and land development
 syndicates like United Fruit.  The so-called CIA front companies can be
 traced in their origin to these Scottish investment trusts, the Bank of
 Montreal and Toronto-Dominion Bank as well as the HongKong and Shanghai
 bank.  It's the biggest business there is, and the men who are set up in
 business--who receive the "venture capital"--are part of the network
 maintained by secret societies such as Skull and Bones and the advanced
 Masonic degrees.

 The companies which issue the securities learned about 50 years ago to take
 stock in lieu of cash, and to demand a seat on the board of directors.  If
 the company does well, they get more stock in order to acquire control of
 the company.  But the securities issuers are only as powerful as the
 connections they have to the people who market the securities--that is, the
 mutual fund companies and insurance companies who use money invested by
 hard-working people to fund their evil empire.

 Here are a few of the companies and the site where they are indexed:


 Member's Directory
 Member's Home
 3i GROUP
 3i SMALLER QUOTED COS
 ABERDEEN ASIAN SMALLER(w)
 ABERDEEN CONVERTIBLE INC
 ABERDEEN EMER ECONOMIES(w)
 ABERDEEN EMERGING ASIA(O)(w)
 ABERDEEN EUROPEAN(w)
 ABERDEEN HIGH INCOME
 ABERDEEN LATIN AMERICAN(w)
 ABERDEEN NEW DAWN(w)
 ABERDEEN NEW THAI
 ABERDEEN PREF SECURITIES
 ABERDEEN PREFERRED INCOME(N)
 ABERFORTH SMALLER COS(w)
 ABERFORTH SPLIT LEVEL
 ABTRUST SCOTLAND(w)
 ADVANCE DEV MARKETS
 ADVANCE UK TRUST
 AIM TRUST
 ALBANY
 ALLIANCE
 AMERICAN OPPORTUNITY
 ANGLO  OVERSEAS
 ARCHIMEDES
 ASSET MANAGEMENT(w)
 AURORA
 AUSTRALIAN OPPORTUNITIES
 BAILLIE GIFF JAPAN
 BAILLIE GIFF SHIN NIPPON(w)
 BANKERS
 BARING EMERGING EUROPE($)(w)
 BEACON(w)
 BETA GLOBAL EMERGING MKTS
 BFS INCOME  GROWTH
 BRAZILIAN INVESTMENT($)(w)
 BRITANNIA SMALLER CO'S(w)
 BRITISH ASSETS(N)(w)
 BRITISH EMPIRE SECURITIES(N)
 BROADGATE(N)(w)
 BRUNNER
 CAIRNGORM BUILDING SOC(w)
 CAIRNGORM DEMUTUALISATION(w)
 CANADIAN GENERAL(w)
 CANDOVER
 CAPITAL GEARING
 CAPITAL OPPORTUNITIES
 CHARTER EUROPEAN
 CITY MERCHANTS HIGH YIELD
 CITY OF LONDON
 CITY OF OXFORD(w)
 CU ENVIRONMENTAL(w)
 CZECH  SLOVAK($)(w)
 DARTMOOR(N)(w)
 DRESDNER RCM EMER MARKET(w)
 DRESDNER RCM INCOME GRWTH
 DRESDNER RCM SMALLER COS
 DUNEDIN ENTERPRISE
 DUNEDIN INCOME GROWTH
 DUNEDIN SMALLER COMPANIES
 EAGLET(w)
 EDINBURGH DRAGON(w)
 EDINBURGH INCA(w)
 EDINBURGH INCOME
 EDINBURGH INVESTMENT
 EDINBURGH JAPAN(w)
 EDINBURGH JAVA(w)
 EDINBURGH NEW TIGER(w)
 EDINBURGH SMALL COMPANIES(w)
 EDINBURGH UK TRACKER
 EDINBURGH US TRACKER
 EDINBURGH WORLDWIDE
 ELECTRA
 ENGLISH  SCOTTISH
 ENTERPRISE CAPITAL(w)
 

Re: [CTRL] Cato News Releases (http://www.cato.org/new/catonew.html)

1998-12-25 Thread Jim Norman

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The president is not elected by the people.  He is elected as the constitution of the 
United States and the
Constitution of the several States describes...by electors.  Electors for a 
Presidential election are
appointed by the executive committee's of the several States.  I know, I know "what 
about the popular vote"
and "the popular vote always corresponds to the "Electoral College"? (another false 
term that has no
legislative code to support it.)  I have been unable to find any statue that provides 
for the election of a
President by the masses.  If such a law existed, it would be contrary to the US 
Constitution and would be a
non law.
Jim Norman

Linda Minor wrote:

 http://www.cato.org/new/catonew.html

 The Bill of Rights guarantees the right to trial by jury in "all criminal
 prosecutions." A criminal trial jury can nullify-render an independent
 verdict-by acquitting a defendant who may be factually guilty because the
 jurors feel that it would be unjust, unconstitutional or simply pointless to
 convict. 

 Except for the President, elected by the people, of course.  He doesn't have
 the right to claim 5th or 14th Amendment rights and can be deprived of his
 office without the exclusion of inadmissible evidence or without the right
 to confront the persons furnishing such "evidence".

   
  Name: Cato News Releases.url
Cato News Releases.urlType: Internet Shortcut 
(application/x-unknown-content-type-InternetShortcut)
  Encoding: 7bit

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Re: [CTRL] vs. socialism, vs. capitalism, what now?

1998-12-25 Thread EASTERISLE

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Nurev wrote:

   It's the Capitalist Elites who enjoy the fruits of Socialism
   by owning the government. And it's the poor and working class
   who enjoy the bitter leftovers of capitalism.

MJ wrote:

Your blatant contradiction of yourself aside ...

Capitalism requires a SEPARATION of the economy and the
state -- hardly a reality within the US.


I agree, MJ, the economy is entangled with the state apparatus in Amerika --
but the people have for all intents and purposes been forcibly divorced from
their government. And while we do have a slightly mixed economy, the corporate
class receives the benefits of a socialist state apparatus, with "free
markets" for the poor, and for those who seek to remain independent from the
control structure. This in itself serves to repress and extinguish independent
thought in favor of programmed human behavior -- b ehavior based on
repetition, not insight or progress.

There don't seem to be any clear or easy answers, but obviously, it would be
an improvement if we had an economic system that focused primarily on human
creativity and innovation, instead of the mass hallucinations of the
marketplace and the unthinking, amoral pursuit of the direction of least
resistance. If we, as individuals, work to produce more than we consume (when
possible), and work to address actual human needs instead of the bizarre
hypercommodification of anything that registers with the public's neurons,
then to my mind it doesn't matter WHAT brand economy we have. With all
respect, though, as far as theoretical arguments go, neither socialism nor
capitalism are likely to save us any time soon. We need to build our own
economy.

Peace out  Merry Whatnot,
Charles Overbeck
ParaScope

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Re: [CTRL] vs. socialism, vs. capitalism, what now?

1998-12-25 Thread flw

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Typical Libertarian bullshit. America has a slightly mixed economy
which
is firmly in the hands of Capitalists. The very worst of both
possibilities.

It's the Capitalist Elites who enjoy the fruits of Socialism by owning
the government. And it's the poor and working class who enjoy the
bitter leftovers of capitalism.

Joshua2

It is kind of interesting how B.G.L.'s (Big Government Lovers) suffer a
disconnect
when expounding on "socialism" and "capitalism" in Amerika.

Whether "Nazism", "Communism", or "Predatory Capitalism", what we are really
talking about is Statism in all its glory. You have a Sociopathic Elite who
utilize and foster statist policies to control all facets of our economic
and political life.

Where would Monsanto be without the F.D.A.?

What they must have is coercive statism. Intrusive laws controlling all
elements of our
daily life in order to manipulate the system for their own advantage. They
depend on
social marxist dupes, those who expouse the New Secular Good Government
Religion,  that "good government" throught its "enlightened policies"
directed by "good people" will overcome the basic nature of Man and produce
ultimately social and political Goodness.

Evil Political / Sociopaths I can understand. They cannot help themselves.
They are born defective. What sickens me are the "reformers", those who feel
"compassion" who ultimately support the policy of "let me help you or I will
have to hurt you" philosophy.

The road to Political Hell is paved with "compassion" and "good government".
FLW

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Re: [CTRL] The Cato Center for Trade Policy Studies (http://www.freetrade.org/)

1998-12-25 Thread flw

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Ah, yes, free trade.  Another term for drug smuggling and money laundering.


Drug Smuggling: " The evasion of unconstitutional, immoral laws against a
person's
 inalienable right to control his/her own
body."

Money Laundering: " The evasion of unconstitutional, immoral laws against
 illegal governmental confiscation of a
person's wealth."
FLW

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[CTRL] CHRISTMAS WISHES

1998-12-25 Thread MShrum

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Dear Friend,

I want to wish you a very, VERY blessed Christmas and New Year! I
have stumbled on something very serious and important and I must take
a few days off to pursue it. I will be returning with my findings in
the next JOSHUA REPORT on Tuesday, January 5th, 1999.

Until then, Mike and I would like to extend to you our love and
prayers that you and yours will have a happy and safe season.
Remember, contrary to what the advertisers and the media would have
you believe, this is not a "holiday." It is a religious observance
[the term they always use for our Arab friends: Ramadan]. Christmas is
to honor the birth of the Christ child. So, til January 5th, have a:


HAPPY HANNAKAH AND A VERY BLESSED CHRISTMAS!



MIKE  The OUTLAWLADY

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Re: [CTRL] vs. socialism, vs. capitalism, what now?

1998-12-25 Thread Kenn Thomas

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 Where would Monsanto be without the F.D.A.?

This seems like a cart-before-the-horse question. The FDA is staffed with people
from industry. Like the other government agencies, it is a weak force compared to
the realities of global corporatism. Monsanto could live without it--it has no
impact on European or Asian markets, for instance.

kt

kt

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Secret Evidence Against Bill Too Shocking for

1998-12-25 Thread Sno0wl

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On 25 Dec 98 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 In a message dated 12/24/98 11:08:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Well, at long last. I'm so glad to hear someone else say it. Seemed
   to me that all through this business Starr's "investigation," and the
   House Committee has been dealing with Clinton as if he were a bad
   child who had no other right than to hang his head, admit he was
   "bad," and take his punishment. As if any attempt to defend himself
   was "abuse of power"--or childish impertinence before a Higher
   Power. And it is strange to realize how much of this business has to
   do with childish wishes for "revenge."
   sno0wl
 
 
 It's a damned shame that this sorry mess has unfolded the way it has. But
 don't forget that Clinton was impeached for perjury about sex because, for
 assorted reasons, they weren't able, or were afraid to, stick him with the
 real stuff, such as treason. That Clinton should have been impeached is an
 inarguable point. And it would be an excellent step in the right direction if
 the ball could be kept rolling and everybody else would be impeached too. The
 way it's worked out though, it's like that ice cream cone you dropped in the
 sand.

But the problem is that the ball will NOT keep rolling. If Clinton is
removed from office, it will stop right there.  The whole process
will be declared so traumatic for the nation that it will not be
repeated. I would be all for removing Clinton if I thought it would
clear out the viper's nestbut I fear it will only bring the King
Vipers to the surface and they are far, far to clever to allow any
more nonsense. Even now there is a great deal of hissing.

It is curious how, around the world, leaders are being overturned and
removed from office. Perhaps, as we near the goal date--2000--the
puppetmasters are stripping the front away and getting ready to step
forward. And my concern is that things may be far worse for us when
there are no "secrets."






sno0wl

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Re: [CTRL] Merry Christmas

1998-12-25 Thread Gavin Phillips

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Merry Christmas to everyone. Gavin.

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[CTRL] End NAFTA

1998-12-25 Thread nurev

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Subject:
Time to End CEOs 5-Year NAFTA Party
   Date:
Thu, 24 Dec 1998 17:12:57 -0500
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It has been a five-year party for multinational corporations, which will
celebrate the fifth anniversary of the implementation of the North
American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) on January 1.

Unfortunately, the corporate CEOs have been dancing on the heads of the
rest of us.

While NAFTA has made its contribution to soaring corporate profitability
over the last half decade, it has degraded jobs, living standards, the
environment and democracy in both the United States and Mexico, as well as
in Canada.

When the United States debated NAFTA -- imagine, a time when the national
debate concerned matters central to the evolution of the political
economy! -- labor unions, consumer groups, environmentalists and others
issued a straightforward critique. Under NAFTA, they said, corporations
would move South in order to exploit MexicoUs cheap labor and weak
environmental protections. And even corporations that remained in the
United States, they contended, would use the threat of relocation to
leverage bargaining power over workers, communities and governments.

NAFTA proponents told a different story. They said that increased exports
to Mexico would create hundreds of thousands of new, good-paying jobs in
the United States, while increased foreign investment in Mexico would
raise Mexican living conditions. PessimistsU alarmism was misplaced, they
said, noting that the trade deal even had attached "side agreements"
specifically designed to protect labor rights and the environment.

More than enough time has now passed to assess who was right.
Unfortunately, the criticsU fears have come to pass, while the proponentsU
promises have proven illusory.

A new, extremely well documented report card from Public CitizenUs Global
Trade Watch gives NAFTA a failing grade in U.S. job creation and job
quality, agriculture, the environment, public health, wage levels in the
United States and Mexico, economic development and living standards in
Mexico, sovereignty and democratic governance and highway safety.

Consider the central issue of jobs and wages.

A single narrow U.S. government program that tracks trade-related job loss
has now certified the loss of more than 200,000 specific U.S. jobs due to
NAFTA. Proponents are completely unable to point to offsetting jobs
created as a result of NAFTA. Indeed, the Public Citizen report card
notes, "several years ago the U.S. Commerce Department canceled its
program of bi-annual surveys of U.S. companies to document NAFTA job
creation because the data was so embarrassing -- fewer than 1,500 specific
jobs could be documented."

The actual figure for job loss is almost certainly far worse than the
government figures suggest. Under NAFTA, the U.S. $1.7 billion trade
surplus with Mexico has flipped into a massive trade deficit, estimated at
$14.7 billion for 1998.

It is of course the case that the unemployment rate in the United States
is now quite low, at least by recent historical standards. But under
NAFTA, good-paying manufacturing jobs have been rapidly replaced by
low-wage service jobs -- cashiers, janitors, retail clerks.

The remaining manufacturing jobs are under severe pressure. While factory
jobs in the United States pay, on average, more than $18 an hour,
maquiladora workers in high-tech foreign plants in Mexico earn about a
buck and a half an hour.

Employers have made explicit use of the threat to move to Mexico to beat
back union organizing efforts, as well as to deny demands for wage
increases. Cornell researcher Kate Bronfenbrenner has documented a
tripling of employer plant-closing threats during union organizing drives
since NAFTAUs adoption.

Meanwhile, NAFTA has simultaneously failed to deliver the touted benefits
for Mexico. In a kind of mutant industrialization, NAFTA has turned huge
swaths of the country into a processor of goods for export to the United
States. The nationwide export processing zone model has proved an abject
failure. There are few linkages between the export factories and the rest
of the economy. Small Mexican business has collapsed. WorkersU
productivity is up 36 percent since NAFTA went into effect, but Mexican
wages fell 29 percent between 1993 and 1997.

Though the story is less stark in other areas, the Public Citizen report
card makes clear that NAFTA deserves an "F" in every subject.

A failure for citizens, a party for Big Business. It is time to end the
NAFTA nightmare. NAFTA -- and the model in which corporations are able to
drag down labor, environmental and consumer standards by pitting countries
against each other in a race to the bottom -- must be scrapped.

Russell Mokhiber is editor of the Washington, D.C.-based Corporate Crime
Reporter. Robert Weissman is editor of the Washington, 

[CTRL] A cliché was Re: Time to End CEOs 5-Year NAFTA Party

1998-12-25 Thread M. A. Johnson

 -Caveat Lector-

William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
 If you've read Ravi Batra's critique of free trade, he points
 out that the "trickle-down" economic policies of the Reagan
 years inevitably must end in class division...and an eventual
 economic meltdown, sooner or later.


The 'Trickle-Down Theory' has caused our economic problems.
by K.L. Billingsley

The point of a slogan or cliché is to prevent the
listener from thinking and invert reality through
altering the meaning of terms and phrases.  The
'trickle-down economics' cliché has enjoyed tremendous
success.

The cliché started during the first administration
of Ronald Reagan and quickly became a mainstay of
the interventionist vocabulary.  The trickle-down
tag remains popular with President Clinton and his
followers, and television 'journalists' attribute
it to venal conservatives.  It was even mentioned
on a popular situation comedy show comparing it to
theories about Santa Claus and the tooth fairy.

Self-described socialist John Kenneth Galbraith once
explained the concept on a Firing Line television
program with William F. Buckley Jr. The administration
of the time, lamented Galbraith the wealthy economist,
was 'giving' out all sorts of favors to the wealthy and
powerful, in the fond hope that some would eventually
'trickle down' to the poor and middle class.

Galbraith further compared the concept to stuffing
a horse's trough full of straw, in the hope that some
would eventually get tossed around for the chickens,
ducks, and other little critters. But sound economics
can show that this explanation more properly belongs
to what emerges from the other end of the horse.

In the first place, the federal government produces
nothing that people would freely buy in an open
marketplace.  The state is a net consumer of wealth,
not a producer.  Returning to the barnyard anology to
find an image of the state, we notice a pig -- portly,
listless, and, of course, always squealing for more.

Every time the state tries to produce something on any
scale, the result is a disaster.  The collapsed
economies of the Eastern Bloc stand as evidence of
that fact.  As the late F.A. Hayek explained, no
government, however enlightened, possesses the knowledge
and moral detachment to 'plan' a modern society, with
its myriads of daily decisions.  Only individuals acting
in a free marketplace can do so.  But if the government's
visible hand has its way, individuals can't have theirs.
It's as simple as that.

Only someone with a statist vision could see the
government as the flywheel of wealth in America or
anywhere else.  The typical response is that the government
is handing out regulatory and tax concessions, but this too
has fatal problems.

In the United States money does not trickle down from
the government.  It flows upward from the private sector.
In a market economy, individuals and corporations earn
money by producing goods which uncoerced consumers will
purchase.  More important, in democratic societies that
respect human rights, the government has no prior claim
to what people earn by their honest labors.  There was,
however, a system which maintained such a claim.  It went
by such names as feudalism, slavery, and totalitarianism.

Hence, for the government to allow individuals to keep what
they have earned by their own labor is not a favor, subsidy,
or 'trickle-down' arrangement of any kind.  But for popular
academicians to profess otherwise only shows the
pervasiveness of the statist mindset and its capacity
for self-deception.

This is not to say that there is not a true trickle-down
theory.  Here is how it works.

The government currently ignores its legitimate task of
protecting life, liberty, and property, and performing those
tasks which it is not practical for individuals to do, such
as maintaining an army.  Instead the government sets out to
achieve 'social justice', largely by the 'redistribution' of
wealth, which it assumes is the product of exploitation.

In reality, as Frederic Bastiat explained in his masterful
treatise The Law, the modern state acts like burglars, who
are also in the business of redistributing wealth.  In like
manner, the state plunders the property of its citizens.
And with the proceeds, the state is always careful to take
care of its own benefits first.

Federal employees, for example, boast their own retirement
program, much more generous than Social Security.  And postal
employees get their choice of -- count 'em-five medical plans.
Every day brings new revelations of bulging salaries for
little effort, outrageous perks, bounced checks, and general
corruption.

This same government that plunders wealth proposes spending
'programs' that will supposedly benefit the populace, increase
prosperity, and eliminate the deficit.  Who says there is no
Santa Claus or tooth fairy?  Here, then, is the true
trickle-down theory as an honest partisan would explain it:

You the producer will, on your own initiative and with your

Re: [CTRL] vs. socialism, vs. capitalism, what now?

1998-12-25 Thread M. A. Johnson

 -Caveat Lector-

Nurev wrote:

  It's the Capitalist Elites who enjoy the fruits of Socialism
  by owning the government. And it's the poor and working class
  who enjoy the bitter leftovers of capitalism.

MJ wrote:
   Your blatant contradiction of yourself aside ...

   Capitalism requires a SEPARATION of the economy and the
   state -- hardly a reality within the US.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   And while we do have a slightly mixed economy, ...

MJ:
'Slightly mixed'???

Name one business one may participate (legally) which is devoid
of government.

Regard$,
--MJ

Property is prior to law; the sole function of the law
is to safeguard the right to property wherever it exists,
wherever it is formed, in whatever manner the worker
produces it, whether individually or in association,
provided that he respects the rights of others.
-- Frederic Bastiat

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Time to End CEOs 5-Year NAFTA Party

1998-12-25 Thread M. A. Johnson

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Dispelling mythology ...


William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
 Yes, we do need trade unions.
MJ:
Why? To artificially inflate wages, costs and further unemployment?


William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
And NAFTA is a harbinger of the end of the American middle
class.
MJ:
Certainly, one should strive to restore Free Trade -- rather than
a Statist farce such as NAFTA.


William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
During the nineteen twenties, the wealth got concentrated at
the top, while the other sectors of the American economy grew
poorer..   Inevitably, Americans didn't have the disposable
income to buy the products to keep the system going..
MJ:
Look at the MONETARY policies eminating from the Government's
chief 'monkey-wrench': the Federal Reserve.  During the period
you reference above, there 'loose' policies are the cause as
mathematically and factually demonstrated by Friedman's research
on the money supply and Mises incessant pointing and subsequent
work by Robert Higgs.


William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
   The unions help keep some of the money(power) in the hands of
   working people...
MJ:
How?


William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
Also, an effective system of tariffs and the enforcement of
anti-monopoly legislation would help somewhat
MJ:
There are two types of monopoly; coercive and natural.
A natural monopoly would provide the BEST product at the BEST
price -- there has NEVER been such.
A coercive monopoly cannot exist without Government supplying
barriers to entry and other restrictions.

How exactly is 'anit-monopoly' legislation going to curtail what
the 'legislator's' created?



William Hugh Tunstall wrote:
 NAFTA is only one brick in the NWO that has helped push
 the country into decline.  (Of course, some of the people
 on this list will argue just the opposite...that we are in
 an era of unprecedented growth and prosperity thanks to
 "free trade.")
MJ:
NAFTA is NOT -- repeat NOT -- Free Trade.


Regard$,
--MJ

The primary reason for a tariff is that it enables the
exploitation of the domestic consumer by a process
indistinguishable from sheer robbery. -- Albert Jay Nock

Manufacturing and commercial monopolies owe their origin not to a
tendency imminent in a capitalist economy but to governmental
interventionist policy directed against free trade and laissez
faire. -- Ludwig Mises,

A policy of subsidizing failures will end in an economy strewn with
capital-guzzling industries long past their time of profitability
- old companies that cannot create jobs themselves, but can stand
in the way of job creation. -- George Gilder, _Wealth and Poverty_

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