Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Choose a Leader]

[Teo1000]

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In a message dated 1/28/99 12:17:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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<< [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 > Hitler was not a vegetarian.  This is mere urban legend.

 Sorry, Teo, but it's not urban legend. Hitler *was* vegetarian. He commented
 on more than one occasion, with great approval, that the largest and
strongest
 land animal, the elephant, was vegetarian. See any good biography of Hitler,
 e.g. Alan Bullock, *Hitler: A Study in Tyranny.*

 Bob >>

I thought so too, but in a recent issue of Fortean Times (I can't find the
copy right now) they dismissed the story, relying upon comments made by people
close to Hitler who commented on his meat eating.  I can't find the reference
right now but the article quoted people who were very familiar with Hitler and
they said that he liked to eat meat at least on occasion.
Teo1000

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[CTRL] Driver's License Photos Are Being Sold

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Re: [CTRL] Choose a Leader that urinates on you

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Why don't you ask Hitler if he might consider dropping all that "Aryan stuff"? Then 
you could be in the position to vote for him

Thank you for that illuminating tidbit about Hitler enjoying urinating on his neice. 
Sounds like a nice guy to vote for.

ME


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> Although I don't believe in white-supremacism Hitler was a great leader. He
> took an in debt, no-army, depression-ridden country and turned it into a
> superpower. If he would drop the whole Aryan stuff I would vote for him.
>
> PS: Hitler had an illicit affair with his niece. He enjoyed urinated on her.
> Her name was Avon Brown, research it. If you don't believe me.
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[CTRL] Blumenthal and Michael Ledeen [2/2]

[Linda Minor]

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Brock?

A:  No, I don't think I have.

Q:  Have you ever discussed this lawsuit with Mr. Brock?

A:  No.

MR. KLAUSNER: I can't hear you, you're facing the other way. Could you have
the reporter read that back, please? (The reporter read the record as
requested.)

MR. McDANIEL: Did you get that, Mr. Klausner? Can we go on now?

MR. KLAUSNER: I think it's an impertinent comment. The answer is I obviously
got it.

MR. McDANIEL: I don't care whether you think it's impertinent or not. I'm
asking whether we can go on now.

MR. KLAUSNER: You may gone on.

MR. McDANIEL: Thank you. I don't know why you get all worked up. I just
asked you if we can continue.

MR. KLAUSNER: That's fine. I'm not worked up. That's fine, thanks.

Q:  Did you ever discuss the allegation about Mr. Blumenthal with Laura
Ingraham?

A:  No.

Q:  How about this lawsuit, did you ever discuss that with Ms. Ingraham?

A:  Yes, I may have mentioned the fact of our being subpoenaed to Laura
Ingraham.

Q:  Do you recall when you did that?

A:  I don't.

Q:  Other than the fact of being subpoenaed, did you have any further
discussions with her on the topic of the lawsuit or the allegations?

A:  No, I don't think so.

Q:  How about with a person named Ann Coulter, do you know Ann Coulter?

A:  I know Ann Coulter but I've had no discussions with her about this.

Q:  Or about the lawsuit?

A:  Or about the lawsuit.

Q:  Have you ever been at any kind of meeting or gathering of people
associated with The American Spectator where the allegations about Mr.
Blumenthal have been discussed?

A:  No.

Q:  Had you ever been at any such meeting like I just defined where this
lawsuit was discussed other than the dinner party you just described for us?

A:  No.

Q:  Have you ever discussed the allegations about Mr. Blumenthal with Tucker
Carlson?

A:  No.

Q:  Have you ever discussed this lawsuit with Tucker Carlson?

A:  No.

Q:  Have you ever discussed the allegations regarding Sidney Blumenthal with
Richard Carlson?

A:  No.

Q:  Have you ever discussed this lawsuit with Richard Carlson?

A:  No.

Q:  Have you ever discussed the allegation involving Mr. Blumenthal with
Grover Norquist?

A:  No.

Q:  Have you ever discussed this lawsuit with Mr. Norquist?

A:  No.

Q:  Have you ever discussed the allegations involving Mr. Blumenthal with
Andrew Ferguson?

A:  No.

Q:  Have you ever discussed the lawsuit with Mr. Ferguson?

A:  No.

Q:  Have you ever discussed the allegations regarding Sidney Blumenthal with
Fred Barnes?

A:  No.

Q:  Have you ever discussed the lawsuit with Mr. Barnes?

A:  No.

Q:  Did you discuss your subpoena with Mr. Barnes?

A:  No.

Q:  Have you ever discussed the wife beating allegations about Sidney
Blumenthal with a man named Plszenski?

A:  No.

Q:  Have you ever discussed this lawsuit with that person?

A:  I don't remember. I may have, I may have mentioned it to him. I may have
mentioned the fact of the subpoena to him.

Q:  Would you spell his last name so the reporter has it?

A:  You can look it up, Mr. McDaniel.

Q:  That was a trick question, Mr. Ledeen.

A:  Yes, I know.

Q:  Have you ever had any discussions about the wife beating allegations
involving Sidney Blumenthal with David Henderson?

A:  Who is David Henderson?

Q:  If you don't know who it is, then you probably don't believe you had any
such discussions, right?

A:  I don't believe I have.

Q:  Okay.

MR. McDANIEL: Let's take a break for a minute and I'll check my notes and
see if there's anything further I want to ask. (Recess from 12:04 to 12:10
p.m.)

MR. McDANIEL: Back on the record.

MR. MIKULA: Before we get started I'd like to state for the record that
under Federal Rules of Civil Procedure Mr. Ledeen wants the right to review
his testimony and preserves that right.

Q:  Mr. Ledeen, have you ever spoken to Mr. Klausner here before?

A:  Yes.

Q:  When was that?

A:  I think I've spoken to Mr. Klausner twice as I can recall.

Q:  When was the first time?

A:  The first time was a couple of months ago.

Q:  Did he call you?

A:  He did.

Q:  And was it just the two of you on the phone call?

A:  I think so.

Q:  What did Mr. Klausner tell you and what did you tell him?

A:  I don't remember much of it, Mr. McDaniel. It was basically about Mr.
Klausner was telling me that he represented Mr. Drudge and that he was
involved in this case and that he might want to talk to me at some point.

Q:  Did he tell you why he thought he would want to talk to you?

A:  No.

Q:  Did you tell Mr. Klausner I don't have any knowledge about this case?

A:  I did.

Q:  Did you tell him there's no reason to talk to me?

A:  I said that we didn't know anything about the story.

Q:  What did Mr. Klausner say?

A:  He said that was fine.

Q:  Did he leave you with the impression that he was going to come and talk
to you anyway?

A:  I didn't have an impression one way or the other.

Q:  Did you make notes of this conversation?

A:  No.

Q:  How long did it last?

A

[CTRL] Blumenthal and Michael Ledeen [1/2]

[Linda Minor]

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From: "Linda Minor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Blumenthal and Michael Ledeen
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from:
http://www.spectator.org/exclusives/98-08-07-ledeen-m.html

The deposition of Michael Ledeen
Deposition notes
The deposition of Barbara Jeanne Ledeen

IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA

SIDNEY BLUMENTHAL
and
JACQUELINE JORDAN BLUMENTHAL
Plaintiffs


Civil Action
v.
No. 97-01968 (PLF)
MATT DRUDGE and AMERICA ONLINE, INC.
SERVE: Corporation Services Company
Defendants



Pursuant to Notice, the deposition of MICHAEL LEDEEN was taken on Thursday,
July 30th, 1998, commencing at 10:06 a.m., at the law offices of Williams &
Connolly, 725 12th Street, N.W., Washington, D.C., before Richard D. Baker,
Jr., a Notary Public.

Reported by: Richard D. Baker, Jr.

APPEARANCES:
William Alden McDaniel, Jr., Esquire
Jo Bennett Marsh, Esquire
on behalf of the Plaintiffs


Thomas J. Mikula, Esquire
Michael K. Isenman, Esquire
on behalf of Defendant America Online

Manuel S. Klausner, Esquire
on behalf of Defendant Drudge

WITNESS:
Michael Ledeen

EXAMINATION:
By Mr. McDaniel

EXHIBITS:
1 - Subpoena and Notice
2 - Objections of Michael Ledeen to Plaintiffs' Third-Party Subpoena
3 - (Retained by counsel)
4 - Newspaper article
5 - Document entitled Presswatch
6 - Drudge Report retraction





MICHAEL LEDEEN, called for examination, having been duly sworn to tell the
truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, testified as follows:
(Exhibits 1 through 3 premarked.) EXAMINATION BY MR. McDANIEL:

Q:  State your name, please.

A:  Michael Ledeen.

Q:  How old are you, Mr. Ledeen?

A:  I am 56, almost 57.

Q:  What's your date of birth?

A:  August 1st, 1941.

Q:  And your home address?

A:  deleted.

Q:  And your business address?

A:  deleted.

Q:  What position do you occupy there?

A:  I'm resident scholar.

Q:  Would you summarize your educational attainments for me, sir, after high
school?

A:  I have an undergraduate degree from Pamona College and a master's and
doctorate from the University of Wisconsin.

Q:  In what subjects were your master's and doctorate?

A:  History and philosophy.

Q:  What year did you obtain your doctorate degree?

A:  1969 I think.

Q:  Have you ever testified before in a deposition?

A:  Yes, I have.

Q:  On how many occasions?

A:  I don't recall but I was deposed several times during the Iran-Contra.

Q:  Apart from Iran-Contra have you ever testified at any depositions?

A:  No.

Q:  Have you ever testified in a court of law?

A:  I don't believe so.

Q:  You're represented by counsel here today; is that correct?

A:  Yes.

Q:  Mr. Mikula?

A:  Yes.

Q:  And are you paying Mr. Mikula's fees personally?

A:  Yes.

Q:  How much is he charging you an hour?

A:  We haven't, we haven't discussed that in detail.

Q:  Have you discussed whether you would pay him at all?

A:  I have not discussed it with him. I've discussed it with Mr. Woolsey.

Q:  What have you discussed about fees with Mr. Woolsey?

A:  That he will charge me a fee and I will pay it.

Q:  But you haven't discussed what that fee is?

A:  Correct.

Q:  Mr. Ledeen, since you have been deposed before, you understand how these
matters work I take it. I'll ask you a series of questions. If you need to
have them clarified, please let me know and I'll try to do that for you. If
you wish to take a break at any time, let me know that and we'll be glad to
accommodate you.

A:  Thank you.

Q:  How many times were you deposed in matters relating to the Iran-Contra
affair?

A:  I don't recall the exact number. Several times.

Q:  More than ten?

A:  Could be.

Q:  Did you testify in front of a grand jury in connection with the
Iran-Contra matter?

A:  Yes.

Q:  Did you at any time in connection with the Iran-Contra matter assert
your constitutional right not to testify?

A:  No.

Q:  Were you -- did you ever enter into any type of immunity relating to
your testimony in the Iran-Contra matter?

A:  No.

Q:  How many times did you testify before the grand jury?

A:  Just once I believe.

Q:  And you also gave deposition testimony. Was it the deposition testimony
in civil cases?

A:  I'm not sure how to answer that, Mr. McDaniel. I gave several
depositions to the independent counsel and I gave several depositions to
congressional committees.

Q:  Did you give any depositions in cases that were pending in federal or
state court?

A:  No.

Q:  So your testimony in connection with Iran-Contra was, as I understand
it, either before the grand jury or in deposition before the OIC or in a
congressional inqu

[CTRL] Sidney Blumenthal testmiony

[Linda Minor]

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from:
http://www.suntimes.com/starr/blum.html

Excerpts from grand jury testimony of White House aide Sidney Blumenthal
***

Q: ... what we want to know initially is everything you remember about ... a
30-minute meeting with the president within a week after the Jan. 21
Washington Post story, which broke in the legitimate press the Lewinsky
story. ...

... BLUMENTHAL: ... I was in my office and the president asked me to come to
the Oval Office. ... So I went up to the Oval Office ... I had spoken to the
First Lady that day in the afternoon about the story that had broke in the
morning and I related to the president my conversation ...

The First Lady said that she was distressed that the president was being
attacked, in her view, for political motives, for his ministry of a troubled
person. She said that the president ministers to troubled people all the
time, that he has ministered to — and he does so out of religious conviction
and personal temperament. She said to me on that occasion, ``If you knew his
mother, you would understand it.''

As a matter of fact, I did know his mother and once spent a whole day with
her in Arkansas as a reporter, and I do understand it. She was a very
open-hearted person. ... And I told him my opinion ... that I understand
that you feel this way, but —

Q: Feel what way?

BLUMENTHAL: That you want to minister to troubled people, that you feel
compassionate, but that part of the problem with troubled people is that
they're very troubled and you were able to do this before and I know you've
done this since with many people — and I know of these incidents, I know
of — and they're not done for publicity at all.

I know of a woman in Arkansas who claims he saved her from suicide by
helping her out. I said, ``However, you're president and these troubled
people can just get you in incredible messes and you just — I know you don't
want to, but you have to cut yourself off from them.''

And he said, ``It's very difficult for me to do that, given how I am. I want
to help people.''

I said that he really shouldn't — ``You really need to not do that at this
point, that you can't get near anybody who is even remotely crazy. You're
president.'' ...

He said Dick Morris had called him that day and he said that Dick had told
him that Nixon — he had read the newspaper and he said, ``You know, Nixon
could have survived Watergate if he had gone on television and given an
address and said everything he had done wrong and got it all out in the
beginning.''

And I said to the president, ``What have you done wrong?'' And he said,
``Nothing. I haven't done anything wrong.'' I said, ``Well, then, that's one
of the stupidest ideas I've ever heard.'' ...

And it was at that point that he gave his account of what had happened to me
and he said ... ``Monica Lewinsky came at me and made a sexual demand on
me.'' He rebuffed her. He said, ``I've gone down that road before, I've
caused pain for a lot of people, and I'm not going to do that again.''

She threatened him. She said that she would tell people they'd had an
affair, that she was known as the stalker among her peers, and that she
hated it and if she had an affair or said she had an affair then she
wouldn't be the stalker anymore.

And I repeated to the president that he really needed never to be near
people who were troubled like this... And I said, ``You need to find some
sure footing here, some solid ground.''

And he said, ``I feel like a character in a novel. I feel like somebody who
is surrounded by an oppressive force that is creating a lie about me and I
can't get the truth out. I feel like the character in the novel `Darkness at
Noon.'''

And I said to him, I said, ``When this happened with Monica Lewinsky, were
you alone?'' He said, ``Well, I was within eyesight or earshot of someone.''

I said, ``You know, there are press reports that you made phone calls to her
and that there's voice mail. Did you make phone calls to her?''

He said that he remembered calling her when Betty Currie's brother died and
that he left a message on her voice machine that Betty's brother had died
and he said she was close to Betty and had been very kind to Betty. ...

Q: Is that everything that you remember about that conversation with the
president?

BLUMENTHAL: It is.

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[CTRL] Blumenthal vs. Drudge

[Linda Minor]

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from:
http://www.ljx.com/LJXfiles/drudge/drudgesuit.html

SIDNEY BLUMENTHAL,
6805 6th Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20012,

And

JACQUELINE JORDAN BLUMENTHAL,

6805 6th Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20012,

Plaintiffs,

v.

MATT DRUDGE,

No. 901
1811 North Whitley Avenue
Hollywood, California 90028,

And

AMERICA ONLINE, INC.,

2200 AOL Way
Dulles, Virginia 20166,

Defendants.


Civil Action No. __



On numerous occasions prior to August 10, 1997, defendant Drudge published
information in the Drudge Report which had been provided to defendant Drudge
by persons opposed to President William J. Clinton and the Clinton
Administration, which information was false.
Prior to August 10, 1997, defendant AOL knew that, or acted with reckless
disregard whether, on numerous occasions prior to August 10, 1997, defendant
Drudge had published information in the Drudge Report which had been
provided to defendant Drudge by persons opposed to President William J.
Clinton and the Clinton Administration, which information was false.
On those occasions prior to August 10, 1997, when defendant Drudge published
false information which had been provided to defendant Drudge by persons
opposed to President William J. Clinton and the Clinton Administration,
defendant Drudge acted with knowledge that the information defendant Drudge
so published was false, or in reckless disregard whether it was false.
Prior to August 10, 1997, defendant AOL knew that, or acted with reckless
disregard whether, on those occasions prior to August 10, 1997, when
defendant Drudge published false information which had been provided to
defendant Drudge by persons opposed to President William J. Clinton and the
Clinton Administration, defendant Drudge acted with knowledge that the
information defendant Drudge so published was false, or in reckless
disregard whether it was false.
Plaintiff Sidney Blumenthal, as Assistant to the President, occupies one of
the highest positions in the White House, and has responsibilities for
policy issues and political matters.
Defendant Drudge intended that, or acted with reckless disregard whether,
the allegations published by defendant Drudge and defendant AOL, jointly and
severally, in the Drudge Report as alleged in this Complaint would cause
plaintiff Sidney Blumenthal to resign from his position as Assistant to
President William J. Clinton.
Defendant AOL knew that, or acted with reckless disregard whether, defendant
Drudge intended that, or acted with reckless disregard whether, the
allegations published by defendant Drudge and defendant AOL, jointly and
severally, in the Drudge Report as alleged in this Complaint would cause
plaintiff Sidney Blumenthal to resign from his position as Assistant to
President William J. Clinton.
Defendant Drudge intended that, or acted with reckless disregard whether,
the allegations published by defendant Drudge and defendant AOL, jointly and
severally, in the Drudge Report as alleged in this Complaint would hinder
plaintiff Sidney Blumenthal in the performance of his duties as Assistant to
President William J. Clinton.
Defendant AOL knew that, or acted with reckless disregard whether, defendant
Drudge intended that, or acted with reckless disregard whether, the
allegations published by defendant Drudge and defendant AOL, jointly and
severally, in the Drudge Report as alleged in this Complaint would hinder
plaintiff Sidney Blumenthal in the performance of his duties as Assistant to
President William J. Clinton.

Plaintiff Jacqueline Jordan Blumenthal, as the Director of The President’s
Commission On White House Fellowships, occupies an important position within
the Administration of President William J. Clinton.
In her position, plaintiff Jacqueline Jordan Blumenthal must work closely
with the members of The President’s Commission On White House Fellowships.
The members of the President’s Commission on White House Fellowships include
business, political, and educational leaders from all walks of life and from
all political parties.
Defendant Drudge intended that, or acted with reckless disregard whether,
the allegations published by defendant Drudge and defendant AOL, jointly and
severally, as alleged in this Complaint would cause plaintiff Jacqueline
Jordan Blumenthal to resign from her position as Director of The President’s
Commission On White House Fellowships.
Defendant AOL knew that, or acted with reckless disregard whether, defendant
Drudge intended that, or acted with reckless disregard whether, the
allegations published by defendant Drudge and defendant AOL, jointly and
severally, as alleged in this Complaint would cause plaintiff Jacqueline
Jordan Blumenthal to resign from her position as Director of The President’s
Commission On White House Fellowships.
Defendant Drudge intended that, or acted with reckless disregard whether,
the allegations published by defendant Drudge as alleged in this Complaint
would hinder plaintiff Jacqueline Jordan Blumentha

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[CTRL] Fw: OPPT Newsbreak - Thursday 28 January 1999

[L. Shipton]

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From: OPPT NEWSBREAK (GEFFRY KING) (GEFFRY KING)
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Date: Thursday, January 28, 1999 6:47 PM
Subject: OPPT Newsbreak - Thursday 28 January 1999


>OPPT NEWSBREAK  Thursday, 28 January 1999
>
>
>Today's "Toxic News for the Net"
>  Brought to you by the OPPTS Chemical Library
>http://www.epa.gov/opptintr/oppt_nb.txt
>
>  NEWS
>
> "Pentagon Seeks Command For Emergencies in the U.S.. Clinton
>Seems Likely to Approve New Plan." New York Times, 28 January 99,
>A19.
> The growing threat of major terrorist attacks on U.S. soil
> has prompted the Pentagon's decision to ask President
> Clinton for his go-ahead to appoint a military leader for
> the continental U.S..  The Pentagon currently has no crisis
> plan that would initiate the immediate organization and
> response of emergency personnel to stricken areas.  Distrust
> of the military and fear that it will not serve to protect
> citizens' civil liberties are two reasons given for
> opposition to granting the military this power.  Supporters
> of the plan argue that the military is the most qualified
> for the responsibility of organizing responses to terrorist
> strikes using germ warfare.  A Pentagon official said that
> only military services are able to transport supplies and
> equipment quickly and on a large scale basis in the event of
> such mayhem.  It may be several months before the Penagon
> presents Mr. Clinton with its recommendation.
>
>"No Radiation Effect Found At Northwest Nuclear Site." New York
>Times, 28 January 99, A18.
> Results of a study ordered by Congress in 1988 will be
> revealed at a meeting in Washington State on Thursday.  The
> study of 3,400 adults who grew up near the Hanford nuclear
> reservation during the cold war, found no differences in
> thyroid health between these people and others who had no
> exposure to radioactive iodine, the byproduct of nuclear
> fission that collects in thyroid glands.  The study was
> performed by the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Center, a contractor
> for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, without
> involvement by the Energy Department which currently runs
> Hanford.  Skepticism over the study's accuracy may lead to a
> second study.  Up for investigation is the study's ability
> to obtain reliable data regarding estimated radiation doses
> which is not as accurate as data recorded from medical
> procedures.
>
>"Germany: Greens Press for A-Plants' Closings [World Briefing]."
>New York Times, 28 January 99, A6.
> Despite the sudden ban on exporting nuclear waste for
> reprocessing, seen as Germany's first step towards shutting
> down its 19 nuclear plants, the Green Party says it will try
> to close three or four plants within the next four years.
>
>"Senator Revives Bottle-Deposit Bill.  Recycles Idea After 7-Year
>Hiatus [Virginia Assembly '99]."  Washington Times, 28 January
>99, C5.
> Virginia Senator Madison Marye has re-introduced his
> "`bottle bill'", last introduced in 1991, that would require
> a 10-cent deposit on every metal, glass, or plastic beverage
> container sold in Virginia.  Consumers who return the
> containers to a store or redemption center would get a
> refund on the deposit, and the containers would then be
> recycled.  Money from deposits on containers that are not
> returned would be used to fund programs promoting waste
> management, recycling, and wildlife conservation.  Mr.
> Marye's bill was previously opposed by the beverage and
> retail-business lobbies, but he appears to have a better
> chance of getting his bill passed this year because of
> newcomers in the Senate, solid-waste issues in the
> spotlight, and the bipartisan support he garnered for the
> food-tax cut he proposed last year.
>
> ACROSS THE USA, from USA Today
>
>"Forrest City, Arkansas [Across the USA]." USA Today, 27 January
>99, 4A.
> The Thorn Apple Valley meat processing company recalled all
> products made at its Forrest City plant in response to an
> outbreak of listeria bacteria.
>
>"Lincoln, Nebraska [Across the USA]." USA Today, 27 January 99,
>4A.
> Executive Director Gene Crump of the Central Interstate Low-Level
>Radioactive Waste Compact Commission was fired.  Last
> month, the commission lost its bid to license a low-level
> nuclear waste dump in Nebraska.
>
>
>"Harrisburg, Pennsylvania [Across the USA]." USA Today, 27
>January 99, 4A.
> The governor proposed a program to restrict state sewer
> grants to only those projects that will result in cleaner
> water.
>
>"Providence, Rhode Island [Across the USA]." USA Today, 26
>January, 99, 13A.
> Th

[CTRL] Y2K: The First World InfoWar (maybe)

[Ric Carter]

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-Original Message-
From: Declan McCullagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>From: "Alan Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>Y2K  The First World InfoWar
>By Alan Simpson
>
>In the confusion of computer glitches, amid an environment of political
>chaos, we must not allow the perception of the coming Y2K crisis to be
>used to damage the economic, nor critical information infrastructure,
>nor allow public confidence to be shattered by lack of political
>leadership.

Actually the first cyberwar seems to have been the Indonesian attack on
the Eire-based East Timorese domain [.tp] which occurred earlier this
week.  How that relates to the subsequent statements by the Indonesian
government about "letting go" of East Timor is uncertain, but at least
that war [the cyber phase of it anyway] was brief.  Was Indonesia moved
by the swift international reaction to that attack, by an unwillingness
to devote further resources to E.Timorese domination during a possibly
pre-revolutionary period, by the desire of a Muslim nation to rid itself
of a Catholic enclave?  ?Quien sabe?  I await enlightenment.

As for the Y2K flap rising to the level of 'crisis', that seems a bit
overstated, at least according to all the computer professionals now
working on Y2K problems that I've talked to. I'm a retired software
engineer, and my still-employed colleagues laugh at the doomsday-
speak regarding cybersystems.  Will there be problems?  Sure.  Will
society meltdown?  Probably not in the western/industrialized world.

Yet religious millenialists  [who can't seem to count from 6 or 4 or
2 BCE or CE 1 or whenever] have whipped themselves into frenzies over
the calendar's odometer rolling-over some zeros.  THEY aren't likely
to be too reassured by *any* government statements, any "political
leadership".  Those of us who aren't so numerologically/ideologically
whacko are probably cynical enough about government capabilities that
a lack of substantial responses won't be too surprising.  But will
the majority of Western populations remain calm as tempus fidgets?
Or will widespread terror and panic sweep the world?  ?Quien sabe?

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Re: [CTRL] This is the dawning of the New age New world OrderII

[Bill Kingsbury]

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At 09:39 AM 1-28-1999 +0200, you wrote:
>
>From This is the dawning of the New age New world Order
>DL Cuddy Phd


Where did this article come from ?  Is there a URL ?
The formatting s@ucks, and I'd like to see a clean
copy, or I'll never read it.

Thanks.

--Bill



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[CTRL] Fwd: The Pope's Gospel?

[Bill Kingsbury]

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  forwarded message 
 From: Campaign for Radical Truth in History <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

  T-H-E  H-O-F-F-M-A-N  W-I-R-E

 
 No. 118Jan. 28, 1999
 
  Michael A. Hoffman II, Editor
   Published by the The Campaign for Radical Truth in History
  Coeur d'Alene, Idaho
   http://www.hoffman-info.com
 

   The Hunchback of St. Peter's Square

 The hunchback of St. Peter's Square has descended on America yet
 again.  Pope John Paul II, prophet of the gospel of humanism and
 purveyor of the politics of racial resentment -- like his pal
 Robert Mugabe who oversees the murders of Rhodesia's white farmers
 -- presumes to wave his papal finger at America's sins of "national
 character."

 Hearkening to 1857 and Chief Justice Roger B. Taney's decision in
 Dred Scott vs. Sandford, the pope, while visiting St. Louis,
 admonished us concerning those dark days when "people of African
 descent" were placed "outside the boundaries of national community
 and the Constitution's protection."

 So this alleged upholder of Western values, this "conservative" who
 is supposed to represent Western Civilization, this Great White
 Father of the Vatican, spreads THE GOSPEL OF MARXIST RACE WAR, of
 Hate Whitey and Blame Whitey.

 John Paul seems to have forgotten that Justice Taney was a Roman
 Catholic in good standing, that the Dred Scott decision was a legacy
 of 2,500 years of classical western jurisprudence concerning slaves,
 (a large share of whom from antiquity to British America, were
 white) and that Pope Pius IX, whose shoes the current Polish Pontiff
 is not fit to shine, sympathized with the Confederacy during the War
 Between the States.

 It was no crime for the strict constructionist Taney to fail to
 break ranks with millennia of western legal tradition, or to argue,
 correctly, that the Constitutional definition of a citizen did not
 include Africans, since the Founders had not endeavored to concoct
 an oxymoron and make citizens of slaves.  Taney's "sin" consists in
 the fact that he would not betray the Constitution as the Founders
 had written it.

 Moreover, his decision owed at least as much to the fact of
 servitude as to race.  ENSLAVED WHITES had also been denied
 citizenship in the early days of the Republic.  America's initial
 immigration laws specified that ONLY FREE WHITES were eligible for
 citizenship.  On Jan. 29, 1795 Congress legislated that, "Any alien
 being a free white person may be admitted to become a citizen of the
 United States..."

 Of course the fact that legions of poor whites in colonial America
 had endured chattel slavery, back-breaking toil and grinding poverty
 demolishes the myth of "white skin privilege" and the pope, being a
 mythomaniac of the deepest dye, will not countenance a word of it.

 How easy it is for John Paul, in league with his Communist cronies
 Castro and Mugabe, to act the part of a politically correct Jeremiah
 and make white people the focus of HATRED AND RESENTMENT.  But where
 was our media super-star's finger of admonition when he was in the
 presence of rabbis and Zionists?

 When did he say, on the numerous occasions when he shared the
 spotlight of  the world media with Jewish leaders, that "people of
 Gentile descent" have been placed "outside the boundaries of
 national community and the protection of the law " by the judicial
 rulings of the Mishnah and Gemara, and of "the great sages" Moses
 Maimonides and Shneur Zalman?

 When did John Paul confront the chief rabbi and Jewish congregations
 when he met them in Rome, with the Talmud's ruling that ONLY JEWISH
 PERSONS ARE HUMAN, and with the bloody consequences of that ruling
 for the peasants of Russia and Eastern Europe under the Jewish-
 Bolshevik regime, and for the Palestinians under Israeli occupation?

 Eleven years before Justice Taney wrote his landmark decision for
 the U.S. Supreme Court, two shepherd children atop a mountain in
 France had a daunting vision of a weeping lady.  The ethereal
 Cassandra supposedly prophesied that "Rome would become the seat
 of the Anti-Christ."

 Smile as you will at the juvenilia embodied in what has come to be
 known as the "Lady of LaSalette," but considering the present
 pontificate of the malevolent hunchback, the children's tale of the
 message of the mysterious oracle would seem to be hauntingly
 prescient.

Michael A. Hoffman II

 Hoffman is the author of "They Were White and They Were Slaves: The
 Untold History of the Enslavement of Whites in Early America."

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[CTRL] The big conspirator meeting again?

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from alt.conspiracy
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Om
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The big conspirator meeting
again?
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Subject: The big conspirator meeting again?
From: "Jim Alder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, Jan 28, 1999 3:49 PM
Message-id: <78qt07$g6v$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

So is this the Bilderbergers again, planning our future for us? Any guest
list available? Clintons rubbing elbows with the Bushes again?

Oh, to be a fly on the wall, but they'd probably call out a swat team.

Thursday January 28, 3:04 PM (EST)
'Globalization' theme of economic forum

DAVOS, Switzerland, Jan. 28 (UPI S) _ World power brokers in government and
business are gathering at a Swiss ski resort (Thursday) for four days of
discussions on how to create a responsible global economy. The 29th annual
World Economic Forum in Davos, while directed toward the 21st century, also
is focusing on the economic upheaval in Brazil, Russia, Asia and Japan.
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Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
Omnia Bona Bonis,
All My Relations.
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
Roads End
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[CTRL] Globalists Meeting in Davos

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Globalists Meeting in Davos!

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Subject: Globalists Meeting in Davos!
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Goldman)
Date: Thu, Jan 28, 1999 12:54 PM
Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>Sessions currently planned for the webcast
>include:

>28 January: the Opening Plenary featuring
>Al Gore, Vice-President of the United
>States; Ruth Dreifuss, President of the
>Swiss Confederation; and Roman Herzog,
>President of Germany
>29 January: Outlook for the World
>Economy: What Will Keep the Engine
>Going? with Gordon Brown, Chancellor of
>the Exchequer of the United Kingdom;
>Oskar Lafontaine, Federal Minister of
>Finance of Germany; Eisuke Sakakibara,
>Vice-Minister of Finance for International
>Affairs of Japan; Dominique Strauss-Kahn,
>Minister of Economy, Finance and Industry
>of France; Lawrence H. Summers, US
>Deputy Secretary of the Treasury
>30 January: What are the Conditions for a
>Renewed Asian Miracle? with Roger Enrico,
>Chairman and Chief Executive Officer,
>PepsiCo, USA; Lee Kuan Yew, Senior
>Minister of Singapore; Tung Chee Hwa,
>Chief Executive of the Hong Kong Special
>Administrative Region of the People's
>Republic of China; Koichi Kato,
>Secretary-General, Liberal Democratic
>Party, Japan
>31 January: Navigating the Cross-currents
>of Globalization with Pedro Malan, Minister
>of Finance of Brazil; Fayez A. Tarawneh,
>Prime Minister of Jordan; Ginandjar
>Kartasasmita, Coordinating Minister of
>Economics, Finance and Industry of
>Indonesia; Yashwant Sinha, Minister of
>Finance of India; William Daley, US
>Secretary of Commerce
>1 February: Best Practices in Going Global
>with Microsoft founder and Chief Executive
>Officer Bill Gates; Hewlett-Packard Chief
>Executive Officer Lewis Platt; Toshiba
>Corp. Chief Executive Officer Taizo
>Nishimuro; and Jacques Manardo,
>Chairman/Europe for Deloitte Touche
>Tohmatsu.

>The website will be continuously updated to
>include the latest press releases, press
>conference schedules, Web-camera pictures,
>relevant articles and links. It will also include
a
>daily news wrap-up of the sessions and
>discussions at the Annual Meeting. All video
>sessions will be available on RealVideo format
>which can also be easily downloaded,
>compliments of RealNetworks Inc. The site will
>be up until the end of February 1999.

>"Like every other commercial or not-for-profit
>organization, the World Economic Forum is
>confronting the promises and challenges of the
>Internet," commented Bruno Giussani, Principal
>and Head of On-line Strategy at the World
>Economic Forum. "Usage of our website has
>more than doubled in one year. Working with
>our partners to create the Live99 site has
>enabled us to add to our commitment to
>implement the best technology available to
>communicate with our members and the public."

>"Novell is pleased to be partnering with the
>leaders of the World Economic Forum

[CTRL] Fw: Rachel #635: Parkinson's

[L. Shipton]

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Date: Thursday, January 28, 1999 3:27 PM
Subject: Rachel #635: Parkinson's


>===Electronic Edition
>   .
>   RACHEL'S ENVIRONMENT & HEALTH WEEKLY #635   .
>---January 28, 1999--- .
>  HEADLINES:   .
>  PARKINSON'S  .
>  ==   .
>  THE NEED FOR CIVIC ACTION.
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>   Environmental Research Foundation   .
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>PARKINSON'S
>
>Parkinson's disease strikes 60,000 people each year in the U.S.
>More than a million Americans are living with the disease at any
>one time.[1] More people suffer from Parkinson's than from
>multiple sclerosis, muscular dystrophy and amyotrophic lateral
>sclerosis (Lou Gehrig's disease) combined.
>
>Parkinson's is a progressive brain disorder that is almost
>always fatal, but the suffering can go on for years. The disease
>usually strikes people over age 60, but a few people get it
>before they reach 40.
>
>Parkinson's begins when a certain class of brain cells begins to
>die, cells that produce a chemical called dopamine, which your
>body needs. Dopamine serves as a chemical messenger helping to
>control muscle activities. Loss of dopamine leads to the pro-
>gressive loss of muscular control, giving rise to a variety of
>symptoms: stiffness, tremor, slow movement, difficulty with
>balance, difficulty walking, a stooped-over, shuffling gait. As
>the disease progresses, the patient may develop difficulty
>speaking, symptoms of senility (dementia) similar to Alz-
>heimer's, and severe depression.
>
>In recent years, an effective medication, levodopa (known as
>L-dopa), has relieved many of the symptoms of Parkinson's for
>many patients, at least for a period of time. In addition,
>transplanting dopamine-producing brain cells from dead fetuses
>into the brains of Parkinson's sufferers has delayed the
>progression of the disease in some cases. Nevertheless,
>Parkinson's remains a common but poorly-understood terminal
>disease.
>
>The causes of Parkinson's disease have been debated for 150
>years, with no resolution.
>
>A breakthrough occurred in the early 1980s when a group of young
>people developed the symptoms of Parkinson's disease after
>taking an illegal drug called MPTP, which is similar to the
>narcotic pain killer meperidine (which is sold under the trade
>name Demerol).[2] MPTP is also similar in chemical structure to
>several pesticides and herbicides.
>
>Subsequently, symptoms of Parkinson's were induced in monkeys by
>feeding them MPTP.[3] This led the medical community to begin
>thinking of Parkinson's as a disease caused by chemical
>exposures. Early studies began to show a pattern: many people
>with Parkinson's have a history of exposure to pesticides,
>especially insecticides and herbicides.[4-7]
>
>However in the early 1990s, Parkinson's was linked to a gene in
>a few Italian and Greek families,[8] and this sent researchers
>down the genetic trail in search of the cause of Parkinson's.
>Genetic causes of disease are very fashionable at the moment and
>it is easier to find research funds to study genes than it is to
>find research funds to study the effects of pesticides.
>
>This week the likelihood of a genetic cause for most Parkinson's
>disease was effectively ruled out by the publication of a study
>of nearly 20,000 twins.[9] The study cohort, made up of white
>male twins who served in World War II, was developed by the
>National Academy of Sciences 35 years ago. Most of the members
>of the study cohort are now in their mid-60s, so they have
>reached the age when Parkinson's begins to appear. Of the 20,000
>twins studied, 193 individuals were confirmed to have
>Parkinson's. The study showed that identical twins do not get
>Parkinson's any more often than two unrelated individuals. If
>the disease had a genetic origin, then identical twins, who
>share every gene, would bot

[CTRL] OEN 1/28/99

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Espionage

Israel Suspected of Transferring US Laser Weapon Data to China

Pollard was just par for the course

The Defense Intelligence Agency suspects Israel shared with China
restricted U.S. weapons technology obtained during a joint U.S.-Israeli
effort to build a battlefield laser gun, The Washington Times has
learned.
Israeli government agents also have tried for the past two years to
obtain embargoed weapons know-how from U.S. defense contractors involved
in the Tactical High-Energy Laser (THEL) program, said officials
familiar with a Pentagon intelligence report on the issue.

The report said officials of the Israeli government armament agency
Rafael obtained some restricted technology from a U.S. defense
contractor involved in the program in 1996. The unauthorized transfers
prompted TRW Space and Electronics Group, the main contractor for the
program, to halt further data transfers to the Israelis.

DIA suspicions about the technology leakage are based on reports from
U.S. contractor employees in Israel who spotted Chinese technicians
working secretly with one of the Israeli companies involved in the laser
weapon program, and also from a Chinese official who knew details about
it, said the officials who declined to be named.

"If the Chinese are seeking this technology in Israel, it's another
episode in their worldwide effort to purloin Western technology," said
Gary Milhollin, director of the Wisconsin Project on Nuclear Arms
Control.

The $131 million joint laser weapon program was launched in 1996 in an
effort to rapidly build a weapon to knock out Katyusha rockets fired by
Hezbollah guerrillas based in southern Lebanon.

The system consists of a pointer-tracker, a laser, and a battle
management system. It is being developed by TRW, two other U.S.
contractors -- Ball Aerospace & Technology and Contraves Brashear
Systems -- along with four Israeli firms. Israel expects to field the
first anti-rocket laser unit later this year in northern Israel.

As part of a memorandum signed by officials from both countries in July
1996, the lasers are supposed to have built-in software limiting their
range.

The system is designed for knocking out 122mm Katyusha rockets, which
have ranges of several miles, and mortar and artillery. The agreement
also restricts transferring the technology to other countries.

The Israelis have been trying to obtain the source codes for the laser's
target selection computer software to increase its range so the weapons
can be used to knock out other targets such as short-range missiles or
aircraft.

The DIA said if Israel obtains the embargoed software coding used to
target the laser gun, it could "fire at targets other than those
permitted by the Memorandum of Agreement with Washington," and it would
allow "a controlled technology to proliferate."

"Acquiring and modifying the source codes would help Tel Aviv overcome
the mission-limiting U.S. engineering built into the THEL system," the
report said.

Some DIA officials were alarmed by several reports that Chinese weapons
technicians are working secretly at an Israeli Aircraft Industries (IAI)
plant involved in the laser gun program. IAI is working on the THEL
system's radar, fire control assemblies and sensors for its
pointer-tracker.

According to DIA, Chinese officials were seen at the IAI Systems and
Space Technology Division facility outside Tel Aviv twice between July
and October 1997. The U.S. employees were told the "Chinese presence"
was supposed to be kept secret from the United States. On a third
occasion, the U.S. workers at the plant were "rushed" out of the IAI
plant after seeing Chinese workers there, the report said.

The report stated that Israeli Aircraft Industries in the past offered
transfers of restricted weapons technology to foreign customers in an
effort to conclude weapons deals. "IAI has transferred technology to
China, possibly including U.S.-supplied technology," the report said.

The DIA said it could not confirm that Chinese officials at the Israeli
factory were working on lasers. But the agency said its suspicions were
bolstered by a Chinese scientist who had revealed details about the THEL
system and asked for more information about the weapon, once called
Nautilus, during an international symposium on lasers.

"Beijing is working on high-energy deuterium fluoride lasers most likely
for weapons applications and has acquired technology in this area from
Russia," the report said.

Spokesman for TRW, Ball Aerospace and Contraves Brashear referred calls
to the U.S. Army Missile and Space Command in Alabama, which had no
immediate comment. A spokeswoman for the Israeli Embassy also had no
comment.

Officials said the reference to earlier leaks of U.S. technology from
Israel to China involved Beijing's acquis

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On Thu, 28 Jan 1999, MARK wrote:
>Avon Brown  Not Eva Braun?

No, no, no...Eva Braun was no relation to Hitler, just a 'groupie' who
became his mistress...

But it's rumored Hitler DID have 'a thing' with his niece...never knew
her name, I guess she must have sold both cosmetics AND Girl Scout
cookies door-to-door, hence she's known as 'Avon Brown(ie)'  ;-)


>> PS: Hitler had an illicit affair with his niece. He enjoyed urinated
>> on her.
>> Her name was Avon Brown, research it. If you don't believe me.


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[CTRL] Fwd: FC: Y2K: The First World InfoWar (maybe)

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From: "Alan Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Y2K - The First World InfoWar
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:27:56 -0500

FYI - you covered much of this in your piece. The Feds should be planning
spin control

Alan Simpson



Y2K  The First World InfoWar

By Alan Simpson

In the confusion of computer glitches, amid an environment of political chaos,
we must not allow the perception of the coming Y2K crisis to be used to damage
the economic, nor critical information infrastructure, nor allow public
confidence to be shattered by lack of political leadership.

For the past three years or so, discussion on Y2K, its causes and effects, has
been limited to technical newsgroups, websites and mailing lists. It has
been a
boring exchange, with discussions of lines of code, metrics, obscure computer
languages, and arguments over bios chips, embedded systems and process control
devices.

But that scenario has changed dramatically, fuelled by right wing and
religious
groups, vendors of survivalist goods and services, and the growing interest in
Y2K shown by mainstream television and radio. Today the average citizen is
blasted from all sides, with messages of Apocalypse 2000, the need to
stockpile
food and water, and the certain breakdown of essential services, even law and
order. The news
networks carry regular features showing 1960^Òs-like preparations for the
electronic version of nuclear holocaust.

We are in danger of losing the confidence of Mr. & Mrs. Joe Public, in our
ability to fix the problem, and ensure critical services are available. We are
losing the ^ÓHearts and Minds^Ô of the American people in the perception of
progress towards a safe transition.

Over the past year I have noted a massive increase in email pleas, from
average
families seeking assurances, that things can^Òt really be that bad. Without
any
clear message, or leadership from the Clinton Administration, they are caught
on an information battlefield. Surely, Joe Public asks, if there was a
problem,
government would give us the facts. Congress would be aware of any chance
of an
information meltdown. They understand the issues, don^Òt they?

Computers are dumb machines that don^Òt have any influence in the decision
making process of Washington. They do not have legions of neat suited
lobbyists, dutifully ladling out campaign contributions. If a PC is seen
outside the office of a Congressman, it^Òs more than likely going to the scrap
heap, not to bend his ear, with suitable lubrication.

Likewise the programmers, project managers and IT experts have no voice. They
have been shouting their warning cries for years, drowned out by the
reassurances of the trade associations and lobbyists of the software
industry.

But it is not government that is leading the public information battle of Y2K,
it is a well organized group of extremists, with sound commercial and
philosophical goals, utilizing the rumor-spreading technology of the Internet,
and the hunger of the mass media for disaster stories.

^ÓOn the internet you can^Òt tell if it^Òs a dog^Ô is a well-known phrase.
Anyone
can state an opinion, fabricate data, and with the building hysteria over Y2K,
it will become legend, written in stone, within a few hours. Take for instance
the Insulin story.



A flawed amateur report suggested that the majority of the world^Òs Insulin
was
manufactured in a small plant in Denmark (later quoted as being in Holland).
This plant was quoted as never being able to achieve Y2K compliance, and so
the
world^Òs supply of Insulin would dry up at midnight on December 31st, 1999.
This
false rumor was relayed back-and-forth by Y2K activists, until accepted as
gospel. ^ÓIt must be correct because it is on every bulletin board, and Y2K
mailing list!^Ô

Any rational person would have questioned how such a small factory could
physically produce all the world^Òs Insulin. The protesting voices from the
major pharmaceutical companies went unheard. This should have been a warning
sign, that many of the Y2K newsgroups were being manipulated.

As I write this piece, another legend is in the making. Cadillac was
alleged to
have sent out a letter admitting that all Cadillac^Òs from 1974 until 1992
were
non-compliant, and should be returned to the dealer. Any businessperson
looking
at the facsimile of the alleged letter would have been immediately suspicious,
no date, no address and in type so small you needed a magnifying glass to read
it. Yet this story spooked thousands of concerned citizens. A couple of lone
voices that asked, ^Ódid 1972 Cadillac^Òs even have computers^Ô were
immediately
flamed, and their mental abilities questioned. Like most moderates, they
licked
their email wounds, and retired from the battle.

The fact that it was a hoax, even fraud was lost in the exclamation  ^ÔSee how
big business is lying about Y2K.^Ô The old Soviet KGB would have been proud of
seeing a hoax turned into an attack on General Motors.

It is becoming evid

[CTRL] Rumores Volant (Rumors Fly) (fwd)

[Brian Redman]

 -Caveat Lector-

RUMORES VOLANT (RUMORS FLY)
===

   -+- The Hillary Angle -+-

(CNNS, 01/28/99) -- Tabloids  exclaim, "Why hasn't Hillary dumped
Bill!?"

The answer (supposedly) is that Hillary is "standing by her man."

A warning to Caesar (Bill Clinton): Beware the Ire of Hillary.

Reacting to the previous story from this  news  service  ("Sidney
Blumenthal  To  Betray Clinton?"  CNNS, 1/27/99), two key sources
have provided CNNS with  further background on Sidney Blumenthal,
soon to testify in the Clinton impeachment trial.

According to "Ru Mills" (pseudonym):

  If Blumenthal betrays  Clinton  it  will  be because he was
  ordered  to  do so by the higher powers.  And also remember
  that Sid Vicious  [Blumenthal]  is  Hillary's pit bull.  If
  Sid  is  going  to betray Bill I bet it has something to do
  with Hillary cutting herself  loose  in  time  to  run  for
  senate in NY.

"Rhea  Fortean" (pseudonym) independently echoed Mills' thoughts.
"Sid Vicious," says Fortean, could be a dangerous enemy.

Hillary Clinton has already begun  to position herself for a move
away from husband Bill.   She  is  now  pre-arranged  to  inherit
Senator  Moynihan's  New  York senate seat when he retires in two
years.

Hillary  Clinton also has a notorious temper.  Up until now she's
expressed that temper by  hurling  lamps  at and punching out her
husband, The Great Caesar.   But  now,  with  her  beloved  Elite
Feminism  turned  into  a laughing-stock, Hillary's rage has gone
beyond sizzling hot into the realm of cold, scorpionic fury.

And further intensifying that fury  is  a  mother's  instinct  to
protect  and  heal  the  hurts  suffered by her daughter, Chelsea
Clinton.

Hillary Clinton is extremely angry.

 -+- John Conyers Weighs In -+-

*Rumores Volant* (Rumors Fly) is the title of  this  latest  CNNS
press  release.   Here, in this report, are contained the current
rumors and  speculation.   The  situation  is  in  flux,  and may
change.  When you step into the future, do you  alter  it?   When
this  news  service  releases  reports that Sidney Blumenthal may
turn  Brutus  to  Caesar  Clinton,  do  such  speculative reports
inhabit the future and modify it?  (Turmoil  in  Hillary's  camp:
"Drat!   CNNS  has  exposed  our  plot!  We'll have to change our
plans.")

But lest some scoff at reports of an imminent coup d'etat, coming
sudden, swift and sure, be aware that a U.S. congressman has said
the same.  On  January  24,  1999,  Congressman John Conyers (D.,
Mich.)  "acknowledged that the Senate impeachment  trial  is  the
outcome  of  an immense political conspiracy, but that he and his
fellow Democrats have decided to  conceal their knowledge of this
plot from the American  people."   ["Conyers  Defends  Democrats'
Silence  On  Impeachment  Conspiracy,"  World Socialist Web Site,
1/28/99.]

Conyers, according to  the  above-cited  report, also accuses the
mass media and even some fellow Democrats of silent complicity in
the "bloodless takeover of the government."

Weighing in with his own perspective on Blumenthal as Betrayer is
Sherman H. Skolnick of  the  Chicago-based Citizens' Committee To
Clean Up The Courts.  Contacted  today  by CNNS, Mr. Skolnick had
SEVEN QUESTIONS:

-+- Seven Questions -+-

  "Here are six questions that knowledgeable investigators in
  and out of government would  like to ask Sidney Blumenthal,
  now a scheduled witness before the Senate impeachment trial
  (plus one question for the senators who have  selected  Mr.
  Blumenthal for questioning.)"

  "(1) What do you, Mr. Blumenthal, know  about  the  Chicago
  office  of  Bill Clinton's reputed secret police group, run
  (reportedly) by Terry Lenzner?"

  "(2) Is it true that  you, Mr. Blumenthal, have assisted in
  'laundering' funds for that  secret  police  group  through
  Bank Leumi-Chicago?"

  "(3) Isn't it true, Mr. Blumenthal, that Bank Leumi-Chicago
  was part of the route for funds used to deal with so-called
  'Bimbo Eruptions?'"

  "(4) Isn't it true,  Mr.  Blumenthal, that these funds were
  the means by which  various  women  having  accusations  of
  sexual misconduct against Bill Clinton were dealt with?  By
  paying  for  strange  people to show up to harm or threaten
  these accusers?"

  "(5) Isn't it true, Mr. Blumenthal, that someone has parked
  a huge sum of  money,  overseas, for Monica Lewinsky and/or
  her mother?"

  "(6)  Mr.  Blumenthal,  have  you  been  a  go-between   on
  financing  'dirty  tricks'  against  Independent Prosecutor
  Kenneth Starr and other known critics of Bill Clinton?"

  "(7)  And  finally,  for  those  senators who have selected
  Sidney Blumenthal as  a  witness:   Isn't  it true that you
  hope to crack Blumenthal  and  force  him  to  finger  Bill
  Clinton,  and have selected Mr. Blumenthal as a witness due
  to his known weaknesses,  as  suggested above?  And because
  you have already unc

[CTRL] Parkinson's; Toxic Chemicals in Babies

[Bill Kingsbury]

 -Caveat Lector-

 RACHEL'S ENVIRONMENT & HEALTH WEEKLY #635
  ---January 28, 1999---


 PARKINSON'S  [and Toxic Chemicals in Babies]

 Parkinson's disease strikes 60,000 people each year in the U.S.
 More than a million Americans are living with the disease at any
 one time.[1] More people suffer from Parkinson's than from
 multiple sclerosis, muscular dystrophy and amyotrophic lateral
 sclerosis (Lou Gehrig's disease) combined.

 Parkinson's is a progressive brain disorder that is almost
 always fatal, but the suffering can go on for years. The disease
 usually strikes people over age 60, but a few people get it
 before they reach 40.

 Parkinson's begins when a certain class of brain cells begins to
 die, cells that produce a chemical called dopamine, which your
 body needs. Dopamine serves as a chemical messenger helping to
 control muscle activities. Loss of dopamine leads to the pro-
 gressive loss of muscular control, giving rise to a variety of
 symptoms: stiffness, tremor, slow movement, difficulty with
 balance, difficulty walking, a stooped-over, shuffling gait. As
 the disease progresses, the patient may develop difficulty
 speaking, symptoms of senility (dementia) similar to Alz-
 heimer's, and severe depression.

 In recent years, an effective medication, levodopa (known as
 L-dopa), has relieved many of the symptoms of Parkinson's for
 many patients, at least for a period of time. In addition,
 transplanting dopamine-producing brain cells from dead fetuses
 into the brains of Parkinson's sufferers has delayed the
 progression of the disease in some cases. Nevertheless,
 Parkinson's remains a common but poorly-understood terminal
 disease.

 The causes of Parkinson's disease have been debated for 150
 years, with no resolution.

 A breakthrough occurred in the early 1980s when a group of young
 people developed the symptoms of Parkinson's disease after
 taking an illegal drug called MPTP, which is similar to the
 narcotic pain killer meperidine (which is sold under the trade
 name Demerol).[2] MPTP is also similar in chemical structure to
 several pesticides and herbicides.

 Subsequently, symptoms of Parkinson's were induced in monkeys by
 feeding them MPTP.[3] This led the medical community to begin
 thinking of Parkinson's as a disease caused by chemical
 exposures. Early studies began to show a pattern: many people
 with Parkinson's have a history of exposure to pesticides,
 especially insecticides and herbicides.[4-7]

 However in the early 1990s, Parkinson's was linked to a gene in
 a few Italian and Greek families,[8] and this sent researchers
 down the genetic trail in search of the cause of Parkinson's.
 Genetic causes of disease are very fashionable at the moment and
 it is easier to find research funds to study genes than it is to
 find research funds to study the effects of pesticides.

 This week the likelihood of a genetic cause for most Parkinson's
 disease was effectively ruled out by the publication of a study
 of nearly 20,000 twins.[9] The study cohort, made up of white
 male twins who served in World War II, was developed by the
 National Academy of Sciences 35 years ago. Most of the members
 of the study cohort are now in their mid-60s, so they have
 reached the age when Parkinson's begins to appear. Of the 20,000
 twins studied, 193 individuals were confirmed to have
 Parkinson's. The study showed that identical twins do not get
 Parkinson's any more often than two unrelated individuals. If
 the disease had a genetic origin, then identical twins, who
 share every gene, would both be expected to get the disease.
 This does not happen, the new study shows.

 The researchers reported that, "No genetic component is evident
 when the disease begins after age 50 years. However, genetic
 factors appear to be important when [Parkinson's] disease begins
 at or before age 50." Thus fewer then 10% of Parkinson's cases
 -- only those that begin relatively early in life -- have a
 genetic component.

 That leaves environmental chemicals as the culprit for the vast
 majority of Parkinson's, according to the researchers who
 conducted the twin study. In announcing their results, they
 specifically pointed out that the search for causes of
 Parkinson's should now re-focus on environmental chemicals such
 as pesticides and herbicides.[10]

 The twin study should provide comfort to family members of
 Parkinson's victims who have been fearful about their own future
 based on their genetic relationship to the victim.

 However, the new study provides cause for concern among farmers,
 pesticide applicators, and people who live in farming
 communities where regular exposure to pesticides is unavoidable.
 Since the late 1980s, a steady stream of studies from around the
 world has shown again and again that a common thread among
 victims of Parkinson's is a history of exposure to insecticides
 and herbicides.[4-7,11-15] Most recently a study showed that
 exposur

[CTRL] More Microsoft Security Holes

[Bill Kingsbury]

 -Caveat Lector-

  forwarded messages 
 From: Bill Perkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999
 Subject:  APPs: Word97 Macro Nightmare

 Fellow Listmembers:

 I felt that this is definitely worth sharing:
 (from an informative newsletter that I receive weekly)

 -Quote begins--->

 Patch for a serious security  bug in Microsoft Word 97

  http://www.microsoft.com/security/bulletins/ms99-002.asp

 Here is the stuff MSFT won't tell you about this bug:  If you
 have Office installed, and you use Internet Explorer to view
 an infected Web page, that page -- without your knowledge, or
 any action on your part -- can wreak havoc on your system.
 It can drop a virus, delete a folder, scramble data, send
 your tax files to Timbuktu... anything.  Similarly, if you
 use Outlook 98 or later to view an infected HTML message,
 that message -- with no action on your part - can do anything
 to your system. (This is one MORE reason to install windows
 WITHOUT IE !)  --Terry Blount


 ~~~
 From: "Fred Langa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999
 Subj: 1-25-99 LangaList

 If it's not One Bug...

 Microsoft released this note about a Word 97 security glitch
 this week:

 "The Word 97 Template Security Patch addresses a
 vulnerability that allows malicious code to be run without
 warning when a user opens a Word 97 document. Currently, when
 you open a Word document that contains macros, you receive a
 warning message asking whether or not you want to enable the
 macros. However, if a document that doesn't contain macros is
 linked to a template that contains macros, you do not receive
 a warning message. A hacker could exploit this vulnerability
 by causing malicious code to be run without warning when a
 user visits a Web site or opens a Word document attached to
 an e-mail message. This malicious code could be used to
 damage data on a user's system."

 Note that this only affects Word 97.

 Microsoft has released a patch that plugs the security hole
 while allowing normal use of macros and templates. If you're
 running Word97, grab the patch at:

  http://officeupdate.microsoft.com/downloaddetails/wd97sp.htm


 ---
 ...It's Another

 Are you running
 Microsoft Office 97
 Microsoft Outlook 98
 Microsoft Project 98
 Microsoft Visual Basic 5.0
 Any third-party product that includes Visual Basic for
 applications 5.0?

 If so, you also have a security hole.

 You can tell if you're affected by going to your
 \Windows\System; see if you have the file Fm20.dll there.
 If you do, right click on it and check the properties.

 If the file date of your FM20.dll file is earlier than
 January 11, 1999 you need an updated version.  With the older
 versions, a malicious programmer can use a security hole in
 the DLL to read information stored in your clipboard.

 You can get the update at:

  http://officeupdate.microsoft.com/downloadDetails/fm2paste.htm



 ~~~

 For those of you who'd like to subscribe to the MS Security Bulletin
 go to  and
 click on the mailto.

 They have two new patches available regarding these two new problems:

 MS99-002: Patch Available for "Word 97 Template" Vulnerability.
 (January 21, 1999)

 MS99-001: Patch Available for exposure in Forms 2.0 TextBox Control
 that allows data to be read from user's Clipboard. (January 21, 1999)



 ~~~

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[CTRL] NewSpeak [was: Skeptic News Thursday #1]

[Ric Carter]

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-Original Message-
From: Robert Tatman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>Ric Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
><< 
># Goodbye mother tongue. (BBC) As many as 40% of the world's languages
>could disappear by 2100. Only the elderly will remember the more tradi-
>tional ways of speaking as younger generations around the globe tune in
>to a more common way of talking. From 7000 to 3000 in 100 years;
>globalization is extinction.
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/specials/anaheim_99/newsid_262000
/262145.stm
>
>: Every language is a worldview; will yours be abducted, extincted? How
>much cultural genocide can humanity survive? Are Urdu, Dutch, Tagalog
>necessary? --Ric
>
>There are two entirely contradictory things happening, it seems to me.
>First, a new *lingua franca* is emerging on the Internet, which could be
>called Net English or Web English. This bids fair to be used as the univ-
>ersal trade language, much as *koine* Greek was at the time of Christ; in
>fact, English had a head start thanks to the British Empire and American
>economic imperialism. On the other hand, even as English is emerging as
>the world language, it is fragmenting the same way Latin did, evolving
>first in dialects and ultimately into distinct languages. English has
>already divided into Northern and Southern variants, with such dialects as
>Yorkshire, Lancashire, Scots, Canadian, and Northern American falling into
>the first group, and "Standard" English (Oxbridge), Australian (Oz), New
>Zealander, South African, Southron American ("Old South"), Southwest Amer-
>ican, and Californian in the second group. Already the two different groups
>are diverging at such a rate that they are frequently unintelligible to
>each other--"one people divided by a common language," as Churchill expres-
>sed it. At the same all of this is happening, however, the *written* lan-
>guage is virtually unchanged, and is even undergoing a renaissance thanks
>to the Internet. Net English may emerge as a written medium of communica-
>tion uniting the world, even as *spoken* English continues to fragment and
>evolve. Many world languages will certainly disappear...but this has been
>the pattern throughout history--how many Gothic speakers do you know?

Quite a few soi-dissant Goths, not to many Gothic speakers that I've
heard though.  #8-)  But while I agree with you generally, I'd quibble
on a couple points.  1) I don't believe in "American economic imperialism";
rather, there's multinational corporate/cartel system based on established
British trade links, which us Yanks and other English-speakers have piggy-
backed onto. 2) Spoken English will homogenize as more English speakers
worldwide talk and listen to each other, thanks to faster aural communi-
cations.  "Californian" [or ValSpeak] is the common dialect of many young
Americans, just as "Mid-Atlantic" is the tongue of an international elite
and their spokespeople.  Language differentiation depends on separation;
new languages will only evolve when we colonize distant planets IMHO.

  Ric "I can hardly understand my own accent" Carter, http://i.am/nutz

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[CTRL] Skeptic News Thursday #2

[Ric Carter]

 -Caveat Lector-

SkeptiNews 990127b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with : are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# HA, HA, STICK ME AGAIN. Laughter is nature's false alarm signal, telling
others that there's no danger from what may appear to be an ominous situ-
ation. http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=9010

# VATICAN ISSUES EXORCISM INSTRUCTIONS: DON'T LISTEN TO SHRINKS. The Vatican
issued updated guidelines for driving the devil out of "possessed" people.
Apparently the guidelines for exorcism haven't changed since 1614, and the
instructions to priests who perform the rite have remained almost intact.
There is one novel instruction, however. Exorcists are cautioned against
taking psychiatric medicine into account. What do those doctors know,
any-way? http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=9011

: If you laugh at exorcism and similar primitive rituals, does that mean
they're not really ominous? Can exorcism kill? [Hint: yes] Do you care?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

*** Church Burned During Indonesia Riots. HILA-KAITETU, Indonesia (AP) One
of the oldest churches in Southeast Asia was burned down by Muslim rioters
last week. The Gereja Tua, or Old Church, in the twin villages of Hila-Kai-
tetu on Ambon Island, was built in 1780 by Roman Catholic Portuguese colon-
izers who came to the archipelago in search of rare spices. The church had
been rebuilt or renovated many times and had been in constant use until
religious rioting erupted on Jan. 21. See
http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2558236211-e92

Technology Sheds Light On Charred Ancient Texts. (DN) While his quest has
never included the Holy Grail, Steven Booras has a handle on high adventure
— for a researcher, that is. He's working to shed new light on some ancient
religious scrolls found at the site made famous by Harrison Ford in the last
of his movie stints as the adventuring archaeologist, Indiana Jones. Petra,
the Red City - http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,30007775,00.html?

: What old religious objects and structures should be saved? What religious
objects and structures would you like to destroy? Why? Are all religions of
equal cultural value? Are their artifacts? Are religious artifacts kewl?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Think the Net’s secure? Think again:
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/tech/FredMoody/moody990125.html

# STUD PILLS, PASSION PILLS AND OTHER INTERNET SNAKE OIL SWINDLES. Old wine
in new bottles? The Internet is fast becoming a swindler's playground with
a rash of illicit "miracle supplement" cures out. Beware. It's *your* life.
http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=9013

# A PILL THAT INCREASES BREAST SIZE? This is a preposterous and ridiculous
thing for women to fall for in this day and age. However, it is understan-
dable because we have made such a big deal about it in our society. It's
expensive and it feeds wrong thinking - but it may not do any actual harm.
http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/DeanFullTextTopics.cfm?ID=9017

: How about buying an Alien Implant Detector, Kirlianscope, Brain Circuitry
Enhancers, Quantum Aphrodisiacs, all via Secure NetLink? Maybe a bridge too?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# 1999 Is A Good Year To Cast Eyes Skyward — To The Moon. (DN) It rules the
oceans and the hearts of lovers, affects human fertility and religious holy
days and sometimes determines when enemies to go to war. It's the moon, one
of the most beautiful and mysterious objects of the sky, and if ever there
was a year to pay attention to the moon it is 1999. No cow jumping over it,
see http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,30008326,00.html?

: What do you see in the moon? Have you seen the alien & Nazi bases? Where?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Human history due to twists of fate? ANAHEIM, Calif. (Reuters) Accidents
of geography and animal and plant diversity, and not superior human genes,
helped Europeans conquer much of the world. Some simple twists of fate — the
layout of the continents and the distribution of tamable plant and animal
species — are what helped a few small groups expand and take over most of
the planet. http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,30007887,00.html?

: Are simple twists of fate the same as divine destiny, alien intervention?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Five Explorer mission proposals face feasibility studies. (NASA) Spacecraft
to help answer some of the biggest questions in space science are candidates
for NASA's medium-class Explorer (MIDEX) program. These MIDEX proposals are:
1) The Swift Gamma Ray Burst Explorer, a 3-telescope space observatory to
study gamma ray bursts. 2) The Next Generation Sky Survey (NGSS), a 4-chan-
nel, supercooled infrared telescope to survey the entire sky with 1,000
times more sensitivity than before. 3) The Full-sky Astrometric Mapping
Explorer (FAME), a space telescope to obtain highly precise measurements of
40 million stars. 4) The Auror

Re: [CTRL] This is the dawning of the New Age New world Order I

[Sno0wl]

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On 27 Jan 99, , Taylor, wrote:

>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> >From This is the dawning of the New age New world Order
> DL Cuddy Phd
>
> Chapter Six
> Education, Literary Symbolism,and One-World Socialism
>
>
> Because of their desire for harmony, Masons do not  say sectarian
> prayers to Jesus for example, because that would be "divisive." Perhaps this
> would explain why Horace Mann, a Mason who became known as "the father of
> American public education,"felt that our public schools should be free from
> "sectarian religious' influences."Mann became secretary to the Massachusetts
> State Board of Education in 1837 and established the first "normal" (public)
> school. His concept of "universal
> education" followed the European "Pestalozzi" schools, whose founder Johann
> Heinrich Pestalozzi (1746-1827) was a strong believer in Rousseau's
> permissive educational beliefs (as in the latter's book, Emile).

While this is an interesting history of education, what would you suggest in it's 
stead?

Prior to these forward, "progressive" steps in Education, only the children of the
wealthy elite and moneyed middle-class learned to read and write. The horrors of
industrial England with it's relentless exploitation of child labor was preceded by a
primitive agricultural world ruled by church and monarchy in fuedal style, in which 
only
the children of the aristocracy were "schooled" and then only in what was relative to
their prospective functions. Fuedal Europe, with its  lack of education survived in 
rural
areas until the end of WWII.

I am a product of "progressive" schools. These schools created people who were
trained not only to read and write, but to think for themselves. You may regret
technology and progress, but the unparalleled gains in so many areas have been
pioneered by a generation of "progressively" schooled students, who, given free rein,
found many areas in which to exercize their erudition and creativity, opening up five
decades of unparalleled "progress" and amazing advances in living standards for
many, if not all, of us.

I have also been a teacher and taught through "progressive" methods, including the
open classroom. Rather than generating chaos, children as young as 7 found the
schoolroom a place where they could work and play and develop a real love for learning.
Reading and writing skills were an object of delight, not drudgery. Math became
fascinating and relevant to real situations. Reading and math scores soared. Even the
least able were free to "make mistakes" freely and without shame, until they "got it."
And I am pleased to say that by year's end, everyone --even the least able--"got it."

Children want to learn, until the shame of their "mistakes" and the fear of humiliation
turn the classroom into a hell that anyone would want to escape. Learning is an
exploration of life. Not a dreary obligation that takes one out of life.

Would you go back to the fuedal state, ruled by the church and prayer? Would you
really bring the fear of hellfire and damnation back into the classroom? If so, you 
have
a very dim view of humanity. We are no longer an agricultural society. We are no
longer an industrial society. We are in a new and different time and demands a skilled
and well-educated populace that can think, perform, invent, and innovate.

The problem with education is not "progressivism"--it is the need for brighter, more
inspired and creative teachers, who can provide rich learning environments. . The
problem with society is not progressive education. It is the enormous gap between rich
and poor, which increasingly shows young people a limitation in their future prospects
that generates a form of rage and hopelessness.

Young people are presented with a world in which only celebrities--entertainment and
sports stars--live a "real" life, realizing "The American Dream.". Where the only
upscale alternative is a corporate niche, which can no longer be considered "safe" past
the age of 40--except for the special few who can survive into upper management. Or a
menial place at the bottom of the pile, struggling with multiple, poor-paying jobs in a
struggle to survive..

Moreover, many of the public schools in many of our great cities--where the majority of
the population live and work--are shameful, Dickensian wrecks, where teachers must
provide supplies out of their own pockets, and struggle to "make do" with outdated
books and inferior materials while all the money goes to the suburbs.

The problems of education are economic and cultural. Having taught in Harlem, in
NYC., in upstate NY in a mainly rural community, and in Vermont, in a public school
that served both a wealthy community and the children of the poor who served them, I
think that young people need --in varying degrees according to the culture they come
from --structure, need the security of order, but also need the opportunity to learn 
and
explore in a "progressive" atmosphere that supports learni

Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News Thursday #1

[Robert Tatman]

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Ric Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<< 
# Goodbye mother tongue. (BBC) As many as 40% of the world's languages could
disappear by 2100. Only the elderly will remember the more traditional ways of
speaking as younger generations around the globe tune in to a more common way
of talking. From 7000 to 3000 in 100 years; globalization is extinction.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/specials/anaheim_99/newsid_262000/262145.stm

: Every language is a worldview; will yours be abducted, extincted? How much
cultural genocide can humanity survive? Are Urdu, Dutch, Tagalog necessary?
 >>

There are two entirely contradictory things happening, it seems to me. First,
a new *lingua franca* is emerging on the Internet, which could be called Net
English or Web English. This bids fair to be used as the universal trade
language, much as *koine* Greek was at the time of Christ; in fact, English
had a head start thanks to the British Empire and American economic
imperialism. On the other hand, even as English is emerging as the world
language, it is fragmenting the same way Latin did, evolving first in dialects
and ultimately into distinct languages. English has already divided into
Northern and Southern variants, with such dialects as Yorkshire, Lancashire,
Scots, Canadian, and Northern American falling into the first group, and
"Standard" English (Oxbridge), Australian (Oz), New Zealander, South African,
Southron American ("Old South"), Southwest American, and Californian in the
second group. Already the two different groups are diverging at such a rate
that they are frequently unintelligible to each other--"one people divided by
a common language," as Churchill expressed it. At the same all of this is
happening, however, the *written* language is virtually unchanged, and is even
undergoing a renaissance thanks to the Internet. Net English may emerge as a
written medium of communication uniting the world, even as *spoken* English
continues to fragment and evolve. Many world languages will certainly
disappear...but this has been the pattern throughout history--how many Gothic
speakers do you know?

Bob

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[CTRL] Another 55 cents a Pack

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http://www.timesheraldonline.com/judge/docs/news10.shtml

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  Dan Judge Column

Jan. 17: Clinton in a puff of smoke

Et tu, Clintonus, et tu? Yes, Bill Clinton, the world's most famous smoker,
has stabbed his fellow
lung jockeys in the back. Well, actually he stabbed us a little lower - in
the wallet.

The president has proposed a federal tax increase of 55 cents per pack on
cigarettes to help pay for
new domestic and military spending programs.

And this from a guy who was photographed lighting a stogie in what proved to
be a premature
celebration of the Paula Jones case being thrown out of court. Not to
mention that El Presidente and
his girlfriend also managed to turn the very word "cigar" into a dirty joke
through their abuse of
tobacco products.

The Hypocrite-in-Chief's tax proposal, supposedly designed to keep kids from
smoking but really
meant to make him look good during the Senate's impeachment trial, comes
immediately on the
heels of a 45-cent increase by the tobacco companies in December. That boost
was forced by the
settlement of lawsuits filed by 46 states seeking reimbursement for
health-care costs caused by
smoking.

Here in California, Jan. 1 also saw the enactment of actor-director-creep
Rob Reiner's Prop. 10,
which levies a 50-cent increase per pack - more like 87 cents once you do
the voodoo tax math
involved - to raise funds for early childhood development programs.

Folks, the smell of money is in the water and the politicians and
actor-director-creeps are swarming.
It's D-Day in the Battle for Enforced Health and the lead invasion troops
are hitting the beaches of
Normandy. Only this time smokers get to be the Germans.

And here I am using this column once again to play the part of Axis Sally,
broadcasting discouraging
messages to the advancing soldiers:

"Go home, G.I.'s! This is not your fight! Your government is being unfair
and this war is unjust!
Besides, your wife is probably sleeping with the milkman while you fight
this stupid battle!"

But I see there's no point to it anymore. We've already lost. Heck, I came
to grips with the fact I'd
probably have to quit smoking two price hikes ago when the boss turned down
my request for a
cost-of-dying increase.

Arguments about individual freedom and the unfairness of punishing one
segment of society for
purchasing a legal product fell on deaf ears. Our defeat was assured by the
fact that tobacco has
been demonized to the point where most people don't even think it's possible
to mistreat a smoker
anymore. As a result, no one squawks when the politicians and Rob Reiner
move in for an
unchecked feeding frenzy.

Game over. They win.

I believe it's going to be something of an empty victory, though.

The increases might have made some kind of sense if the revenues were used
to implement
anti-smoking programs and defray medical costs due to cigarettes. That way
the need for more
money to fund the programs would naturally diminish along with the dwindling
number of smokers
paying the tab.

But politicians and Rob Reiner are greedy scum, so they aren't doing that.
Only a fraction is going
toward anti-smoking efforts or health costs while the rest is spent on items
completely unrelated to
cigarettes.

Clinton wants to spend his proposed tax money on after-school programs,
support for disabled
workers, hiring new police officers, tax credits and $100 billion worth of
new military projects.

Reiner wants to spend his Prop. 10 money on...on...well, no one really knows
for sure yet, but he's
promised us some kind of ongoing programs for kids.

The states plan to spend their settlement money on everything from
sidewalk-fixing programs to -
and I love this one - helping tobacco farmers.

If all these people are successful in their stated purpose to make people
quit smoking through
exorbitant taxation, all their wonderful ongoing programs will turn out to
be built on sand. As the
smokers disappear, the funding goes up in smoke, too.

Their only option will be finding something else to demonize and tax.

My advice would be to stock up your liquor cabinet. I firmly believe these
idiots are going to pump
the sin well for money until we're a country known mainly for its tax-driven
puritanism.

But, like I said, there isn't really any point in arguing. We've lost.

The only thing left is to be mean and petty and hope there are a lot of
senators who smoke presiding
over our two-faced president's impeachment hearing.

In a perfect world, they'd let us impeach movie directors, too.

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[CTRL] Fwd: L.A. Limits Gun Buying to 1 a Month

[Knight1747]

 L.A. Limits Gun Buying to 1 a Month

 .c The Associated Press

  By AMANDA COVARRUBIAS

 LOS ANGELES (AP) -- A new city ordinance will limit people to one handgun
purchase a month, the latest step in a nationwide effort by government
officials to keep weapons away from criminals.

 The Los Angeles City Council voted 13-0 on Wednesday to prohibit legitimate
gun dealers from selling more than one handgun to a single buyer within a
30-day period. It is modeled after laws in Virginia, Maryland and South
Carolina.

 ``This is an important stride in preventing gun violence,'' said Councilman
Mike Feuer, who sponsored the measure. ``We'll take whatever steps we need to
take locally. It's the real key to preventing violent crimes.''

 Most guns recovered by police are bought by individuals from legitimate
dealers in multiple transactions, according to law enforcement officials.
Later, they are illegally resold on the street.

 Patrick O'Malley, a lobbyist for the National Rifle Association in
Washington, D.C., said the ordinance is another knee-jerk reaction to a recent
decision by the state Supreme Court regarding West Hollywood's ban on cheap
handguns, known as Saturday night specials.

 The court's ruling last month essentially gives local governments the power
to ban gun sales.

 ``Many cities are racing around furiously trying to pass whatever gun control
measure is fashionable at the moment,'' O'Malley said. ``I consider it a
symbolic gesture on the part of the City Council.''

 There is no limit in California on the number of handguns that may be sold to
a single buyer. But a bill based on the gun-a-month concept was introduced
last week in the state Legislature.

 California Attorney General Bill Lockyer has agreed to help Los Angeles
enforce the law through the use of the state's computer database. The Los
Angeles ordinance will take effect in 90 days.

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L.A. Limits Gun Buying to 1 a Month

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 By AMANDA COVARRUBIAS

LOS ANGELES (AP) -- A new city ordinance will limit people to one handgun
purchase a month, the latest step in a nationwide effort by government
officials to keep weapons away from criminals.

The Los Angeles City Council voted 13-0 on Wednesday to prohibit legitimate
gun dealers from selling more than one handgun to a single buyer within a
30-day period. It is modeled after laws in Virginia, Maryland and South
Carolina.

``This is an important stride in preventing gun violence,'' said Councilman
Mike Feuer, who sponsored the measure. ``We'll take whatever steps we need to
take locally. It's the real key to preventing violent crimes.''

Most guns recovered by police are bought by individuals from legitimate
dealers in multiple transactions, according to law enforcement officials.
Later, they are illegally resold on the street.

Patrick O'Malley, a lobbyist for the National Rifle Association in Washington,
D.C., said the ordinance is another knee-jerk reaction to a recent decision by
the state Supreme Court regarding West Hollywood's ban on cheap handguns,
known as Saturday night specials.

The court's ruling last month essentially gives local governments the power to
ban gun sales.

``Many cities are racing around furiously trying to pass whatever gun control
measure is fashionable at the moment,'' O'Malley said. ``I consider it a
symbolic gesture on the part of the City Council.''

There is no limit in California on the number of handguns that may be sold to
a single buyer. But a bill based on the gun-a-month concept was introduced
last week in the state Legislature.

California Attorney General Bill Lockyer has agreed to help Los Angeles
enforce the law through the use of the state's computer database. The Los
Angeles ordinance will take effect in 90 days.

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[CTRL] Gary Webb

[Agent Smiley]

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Activist Mailing List - http://users.westnet.gr/~cgian/

GARY WEBB interview on Crack-Contra/CIA scandal


Crack-Contra/CIA scandal still smolders as nation turns its attention
to sex scandals.

The CIA-backed Nicaraguan Contras funded their war in Central America
with crack sold on the streets of L.A. ghettoes, according to Gary
Webb, a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist who spoke in Eugene,Oregon a
couple of weeks ago.

Webb originally reported on the links between the CIA, the Contras and
the deadly crack cocaine explosion in the U.S. in a 1996 series of
articles in the San Jose Mercury News. After the series sparked public
outrage in Congress and the African-American community, the national
media and the CIA began attacking Webb's reporting as unfounded.

Webb stuck to his story and quit the Mercury News after the paper
failed to back him up. Now, he's published a book, Dark Alliance
(Seven Stories Press, 1998) on the scandal.

The following is the text of a phone interview of Gary Webb as printed
in the Eugene Weekly 1999 on 15 Jan 1999



Q:  How are sales of your book going?

Beyond my wildest expectations. I got my first report, and it was
stunning. We sold like 50,000 books in five weeks.

Q:  Why did the mainstream press attack your newspaper series?

There were a number of reasons for that. This was a story that those
papers - specifically the Washington Post, New York Times and L.A.
Times - could have done if they had wanted to back in the '80s when
this stuff was going on. There were certainly enough clues around. But
in some cases for political reasons, in some cases for sheer
incompetence, nobody ever put the pieces together and figured out what
it meant. So when a little Northern California newspaper comes along
10 years later and has this big huge story, it pissed them off.

The deeper problem was this is not the kind of story these papers have
done for many, many years. Essentially, you're talking about a crime
of state - you've got the U.S. Government complicit in drug
trafficking.

The other thing that I think annoyed them was that the story got out
in spite of them. The big papers are used to being able to set the
national agenda for what's news and isn't news. Here we came along, a
paper that nobody on the East Coast reads, and we put the thing up on
the Web with all our supporting documentation, and I went on talk
radio. Suddenly we've got a Web site that's getting a million hits a
day, and everybody is talking about this story that they [the big
papers] have never printed a word of, and their readers are calling
them up wondering why the hell they're sitting on this story.

You put all that together, and I think they're natural inclination
was, well, we're going to knock the hell out of this thing. The fact
that nobody ever found a factual error in it, I thought was lost in
the controversy.

Q:  Was the CIA involved in the drug smuggling or did they just turn a
blind eye to it?

All my theories ever said was there were CIA agents who knew about it.
And we proved it, we had pictures of a CIA agent meeting with these
drug traffickers.

The scenario a lot of people took from that was that this was a CIA
plot to dump cocaine in the black ghettoes. I never found any evidence
of that. But given what has come out since my series - there were two
investigations that were done, by the Justice Department and by the
CIA internal investigations - I didn't go nearly far enough in
retrospect. The CIA knew a lot more about this than I would have
imagined, and they've now admitted it. The problem is you haven't seen
these stories in the paper because they contradict everything they
were writing two years ago. The agency has basically confessed and
nobody wants to hear the confession because [the big papers] had all
declared them innocent.

Q:  How does the Monica Lewinsky scandal compare to the story you
uncovered?

Well, that wasn't even a scandal as far as I'm concerned. It's just
some guy getting his ashes hauled. This [crack-CIA] thing is a crime
of state, and millions of Americans have paid for this over and over
again.

That's the problem with the press today. They'll focus on the trivial
and titillating and let the big huge stories just go by in the night
because they don't want to devote the effort to do them. It took me a
year to work on this full time. Reporters don't get that kind of time
anymore, they don't get the space to do that kind of story. You get
the space for sex stories.

Nobody is going to get in trouble for writing a story about a
politician getting laid. The stories that I like to do are the stories
that get newspapers in trouble. They [the mainstream press] have just
become so timid. I saw it as not even worth hanging around, I mean,
who wants to do that kind of crap?

Q:  What's the significance of this story? It happened a number of
years ago under a different president.

Because we're still living with the aftereffects o

[CTRL] Internet shares lottery' says Greenspan

[Carl Amedio]

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-
Thursday, January 28, 1999 Published at 20:41 GMT

'Internet shares lottery'


'Internet shares lottery'
Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan has compared buying Internet shares to
purchasing a lottery ticket.

He said that while some Internet stocks are worth the prices being paid for
them, the "vast majority of Internet companies are almost certain to fail".

Investors buying shares are effectively gambling on which companies will
succeed according to Mr Greenspan.

He said the 'hype' surrounding the Internet could have contributed to
investors rushing to buy stocks.




Mr Greenspan is the most influential banker in the world and his comments
frequently move markets. This is the first time he has commented directly on
the tremendous growth in Internet stock prices.

However, on this occasion the market appeared to shrug off his comments, with
Internet stocks enjoying another strong day on Thursday.

Internet shares have soared dramatically in recent months as investors have
become excited about the rapid growth in the popularity of the worldwide
computer network and the surge in the amount of online business.

But many of the companies have still to make a profit and there are growing
fears from analysts that prices may have risen far too high, too soon.

Mr Greenspan's comments were backed up by some share experts.

Barry Hyman, a market strategist at Ehrenkrantz, King and Nussbaum in New
York, said: "He is looking at the reality of the situation."

On the fast track




Revenue in Internet companies soared through the roof last year, fuelling the
US stock market rally in technology stocks.

Leading Internet companies are now worth more than some of the most
illustrious and established firms on Wall Street.

According to a Financial Times survey, Microsoft has recently taken over from
General Electric as the world's largest company by market value.

Yahoo!, one of the few profitable Internet companies and the leading portal on
the Web, has also been a big riser. Valued at $50bn, the company is now worth
twice as much as Boeing or Texaco.



Merger excitement

The huge growth in the Internet has sparked a flurry of merger activity as
companies seek a bigger share of the market. This in turn has pushed prices
higher.

Earlier this month, high-speed Internet provider @Home bought Excite, one of
the leading portal websites, for a staggering $6.7bn, in one of the biggest
Internet deals ever.

Last year, AOL paid $4.2bn for the acquisition of Netscape.

Opposition to Clinton

Testifying before the Senate Budget Committee, Mr Greenspan also reiterated
his opposition to President Clinton's plan to invest big budget surpluses in
the stock market to fund the US social security programme.

Mr Greenspan warned that the plan could put the US economy at risk.

"Investing a portion of the social security trust fund assets in equities, as
the administration and others have proposed, would arguably put at risk the
efficiency of our capital markets and thus, our economy," said Mr Greenspan.
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[CTRL] Child Online Protection Act (sure)

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>
>  COPA: An 'Electronic Brown Bag'
>  Reuters
>
>  3:00 a.m.  27.Jan.99.PST
>  PHILADELPHIA -- The federal government could usurp parental control over
>  what children see on the Web if a new law designed to restrain online
>  pornography goes into effect, companies opposed to the law told a US
>  District Judge on Tuesday.
>  In closing arguments before District Judge Lowell Reed, an attorney for
>  17 Internet companies assailed the Child Online Protection Act, or COPA,
>  as a measure that violates the First Amendment right to free speech
>  while imposing unreasonable costs on businesses that populate the
>  Internet.
>
>  American Civil Liberties Union attorney Ann Beeson said the public would
>  be better served if families opted for commercially available filtering
>  software capable of stopping Web browsers on home personal computers
>  from visiting pornographic Web sites.
>
>  "It should be up to parents, and not the government, to decide what
>  children should see," she told Reed at the end of five days of hearings.
>  Filtering software not only would return authority over home PCs to
>  parents, she said, but go further than COPA by blocking noncommercial
>  and foreign-based Web sites.
>
>  Enacted by Congress and signed into law by President Clinton last year,
>  COPA requires US commercial Web-site operators to keep children under 18
>  away from material deemed harmful to minors by employing credit-card
>  registration or age-verification systems.
>
>  The law reserves stiff criminal and civil penalties for businesses found
>  in violation.
>
>  Plaintiffs led by the ACLU hoped to persuade Reed to impose a
>  preliminary injunction blocking COPA's enforcement until their legal
>  challenge to the law reaches trial. The case essentially is an argument
>  over what kinds of Web sites COPA can be used to restrict.
>
>  The Justice Department said that the law, which replaces the
>  Communications Decency Act struck down by the Supreme Court in 1997, is
>  designed simply to act as an "electronic brown bag" by targeting Web
>  sites devoted wholly to the sale of sexually explicit material.
>
>  But critics of COPA fear the act also could be used by social
>  conservatives to attack Web sites that deal with gay rights, the arts,
>  human sexuality, abortion, and other hot-button issues.
>
>  "The world the plaintiffs describe is pure fantasy imagined by those who
>  refuse to have any restrictions whatsoever," Justice Department attorney
>  Karen Stewart said in the government's closing argument. "COPA is
>  concerned with what's clearly pornographic. Those who are there to
>  excite, entice, and fill their coffers."
>
>  Reed was expected to rule on a preliminary injunction by 1 February,
>  when a temporary restraining order he imposed against COPA in November
>  is set to expire.
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>  Copyright© 1999 Reuters Limited.
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COPA: An 'Electronic Brown Bag'
Reuters

3:00 a.m.  27.Jan.99.PST
PHILADELPHIA -- The federal government could usurp parental control over
what children see on the Web if a new law designed to restrain online
pornography goes into effect, companies opposed to the law told a US
District Judge on Tuesday.
In closing arguments before District Judge Lowell Reed, an attorney for
17 Internet companies assailed the Child Online Protection Act, or COPA,
as a measure that violates the First Amendment right to free speech
while imposing unreasonable costs on businesses that populate the
Internet.

American Civil Liberties Union attorney Ann Beeson said the public would
be better served if families opted for commercially available filtering
software capable of stopping Web browsers on home personal computers
from visiting pornographic Web sites.

"It should be up to parents, and not the government, to decide what
children should see," she told Reed at the end of five days of hearings.
Filtering software not only would return authority over home PCs to
parents, she said, but go further than COPA by blocking noncommercial
and foreign-based Web sites.

Enacted by Congress and signed into law by President Clinton last year,
COPA requires US commercial Web-site operators to keep children under 18
away from material deemed harmful to minors by employing credit-card
registration or age-verification systems.

The law reserves stiff criminal and civil penalties for businesses found
in violation.

Plaintiffs led by the ACLU hoped to persuade Reed to impose a
preliminary injunction blocking COPA's enforcement until their legal
challenge to the law reaches trial. The case essentially is an argument
over what kinds of Web sites COPA can be used to restrict.

The Justice Department said that the law, which replaces the
Communications Decency Act struc

[CTRL] IMF needs to be more accountable

[Carl Amedio]

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By JANET GUTTSMAN

WASHINGTON (January 27, 1999 9:43 p.m. EST http://www.nandotimes.com) - The
International Monetary Fund make more adjustments to the changing global
economy even though the lending body, under U.S. pressure, has already
embraced many changes, U.S. Deputy Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers said on
Wednesday.

Summers told a Senate panel that the IMF, which put together rescue deals
worth tens of billions of dollars in Asia, Russia and Brazil, needed to be
more accountable to its members and more open in its dealings.

The IMF's programs needed to take into account social issues and the private
sector should meet some of the cost, Summers added.

"The global economy has changed greatly in recent years, and the IMF has to
change with it," Summers told a Senate Foreign Relations subcommittee.

The secretive IMF was thrust into the limelight over the last 18 months as
countries in Asia and beyond sought cash to help solve a raft of economic
problems.

But the multibillion-dollar rescue deals drained IMF resources and Congress,
approving new funds last year after a long delay, linked the extra cash to
demands for change.

"Congress ... affirmed its commitment to a much more reformed, much more
effective IMF," Summers said. "This is a commitment that the (Clinton)
administration wholeheartedly shares and we are extremely focused on working
to achieve."

Summers, long a defender of the IMF, said the crises in Asia and elsewhere
would have been deeper without the IMF.

"The costs of these crises would have been even higher and the impact on our
own economy and markets much more severe" had the IMF not acted, he said.

Summers said steps were under way to make the IMF more open. Internal staff
evaluations of IMF programs were being published, along with details of
countries' promises to the lending institution.

Reporting to Congress was being expanded to include a Treasury Secretary
report to congressional committees on any IMF lending supported by the
Exchange Stabilization Fund. The stabilization fund, which falls under
Treasury's control, has been an irritant to congressional Republicans because
the administration has been able to tap it without seeking congressional
approval.

IMF First Deputy Managing Director Stanley Fischer had been scheduled to brief
the Senate panel in a rare appearance that panel Chairman Chuck Hagel, a
Nebraska Republican, described as "the first appearance of a senior IMF
officer before a congressional committee in open session."

But Fischer told Hagel in a letter that he was too busy dealing with Brazil's
financial crisis to testify.






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[CTRL] NAACP Head Criticizes D.C. Mayor over Word Flap

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NAACP head criticizes Williams over word flap

Thursday, January 28, 1999 – The Associated Press reports NAACP President
Julian Bond says D.C. Mayor Anthony Williams acted “niggardly” when he
accepted the resignation of the first openly gay member of his administration,
caught in a furor for using the word himself.

  David Howard, the head of the city’s Office of the Public Advocate,
resigned Tuesday after rumors persisted that he had used a racial slur when
discussing the administration of his part of the city’s budget.

Howard was just weeks into his job as public advocate, the key contact for
citizens and their government.

In a meeting with two other aides to the mayor, Marshall Brown and John
Fanning, Howard allegedly said “I will have to be niggardly with this fund
because it’s not going to be a lot of money.”

Both aides were said to be shocked by the remark and Brown, who is
African-American, left the meeting and later refused to accept an apology from
Howard.

The word “niggardly,” means cheap or miserly and has no racial
connotation. Bond cited the definition in his criticism of the mayor and said
the incident speaks loudly about where we are on race issues.

In accepting his resignation, Mayor Williams said Howard had used poor
judgement.

 Williams also praised Howard – who has no background of discrimination –
and said he might be rehired after an investigation is complete. But the mayor
stuck by his position that the resignation was appropriate, saying Howard’s
action was comparable to being “caught smoking in a refinery that resulted in
an explosion.”

Williams said someone else might be fired if it is found that they were
“fanning the flames” by spreading the rumor that Howard had used a racial
epithet.

The Washington Post reports that Howard says the mayor is “unduly taking
heat” for accepting his resignation.

“It was my decision to resign and any criticism should be voiced to me,”
he told The Post.

Mayor Williams is being criticized by a group of gay and lesbian activists
who say the situation amounts to the “railroading of a good man.”

Howard is the first openly gay member to serve in Williams’ government.


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[CTRL] Sun on Privacy: 'Get Over It'

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Subject: Sun on Privacy: 'Get Over It'
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 12:20:25 PST
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Sun on Privacy: 'Get Over It'
by Polly Sprenger

12:00 p.m.  26.Jan.99.PST
The chief executive officer of Sun Microsystems said Monday that
consumer privacy issues are a "red herring."
"You have zero privacy anyway," Scott McNealy told a group of reporters
and analysts Monday night at an event to launch his company's new Jini
technology.

"Get over it."

McNealy's comments came only hours after competitor Intel (INTC)
reversed course under pressure and disabled identification features in
its forthcoming Pentium III chip.

Jodie Bernstein, director of the Bureau of Consumer Protection at the
Federal Trade Commission, said that McNealy's remarks were out of line.

"Millions of American consumers tell us that privacy is a grave concern
to them when they are thinking about shopping online," Bernstein said.

Sun Microsystems is a member of the Online Privacy Alliance, an industry
coalition that seeks to head off government regulation of online
consumer privacy in favor of an industry self-regulation approach.

"It is a conundrum, because I know that [Sun is] a member of the Online
Privacy Alliance, and they have spoken positively about responding to
consumer needs," Bernstein said. "This sounds very different than what
we have generally been hearing from members of the alliance."

Privacy watchdogs echoed Bernstein's remarks.

"I'm astonished by Scott's remarks," said Jason Catlett, CEO of
Junkbusters, a company that makes privacy software. "I wonder if he
heard what Intel decided yesterday? Intel obviously decided that privacy
is such a hot spot that they changed plans they've had for months in a
matter of hours."

Catlett said the comments are even more surprising in light of the fact
that the undersecretary of commerce is currently in Europe to
demonstrate to foreign governments that American companies are committed
to security and privacy.

"David Aaron is in Europe now saying the United States has adequate
privacy protection the same day the chief executive of one of the
leading computer companies stands up and says 'you have no privacy,'"
Catlett said.

"It's tantamount to a declaration of war."

McNealy made the remarks in response to a question about what privacy
safeguards Sun (SUNW) would be considering for Jini. The technology is
designed to allow various consumer devices to communicate and share
processing resources with one another.

"I think Scott's comments were completely irresponsible and that Sun and
Intel and many of these leaders are creating public policy every time
they make a product decision," said Lori Fena, chairman of the board of
the Electronic Frontier Foundation.

For consumers, McNealy's comments raised questions about Sun's
commitment to privacy.

"One might hope that industry leaders such as McNealy would propose
solutions to enhance citizen privacy rather than just telling them to
'get over it,'" said Linda Walsh, a consumer concerned about electronic
privacy.

"He may have no privacy because of his status as CEO. He shouldn't
assume his reality is everyone else's," Walsh said.

In December, a New Hampshire consultant alleged that Sun violated its
online privacy agreement and redistributed his personal information
against his wishes.

Sun representatives could not be reached for comment.



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[CTRL] Iraqiana: 01-28

[Alamaine Ratliff]

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>From ArabicNews.CoM


Turkish plans concerning Iraq
Turkey, Politics, 1/28/99

The Turkish daily Joumhuriet said on Wednesday that while the US is
exerting efforts to partition Iraq, Turkey on the other hand tries to
prevent such a partition.

The paper added that the Turkish foreign ministry has set up a four-stage
plan to prevent the partition of Iraq, despite the attempts made by
Washington to calm Turkish fears of the establishment of a Kurdish state in
northern Iraq.

The paper explained that the Turkish plan to prevent the partition of Iraq
is to obtain guarantees of the preservation of the territorial integrity of
Iraq, assure Baghdad's abidance by international resolutions, exert
pressures to lift the embargo imposed on Iraq and maintain political
closeness with Iraq.

The paper indicated two factors that prevent Ankara from adopting a more
effective policy toward Iraq: the Iraqi president spares no efforts in
defying the world in his actions and Washington adheres to its policy
towards Iraq. Therefore and within this framework there are no other
options to settle problems in Iraq.

Within the same context, the Turkish daily "Hurriet" said that axis of
Washington - Tel Aviv - Ankara has become a reality while Turkish -
European relations have weakened. The paper asserted that Washington knows
well the deterioration in Turkish relations with Europe, therefore
Washington is careful to pursue matters like projects to transport Caspian
oil, pursuit of the leader of the Kurdish Workers Party organization and
using Turkey's need for the loans of the International Monetary Fund IMF in
order to increase "Turkish reliance and dependence on the US."

The paper added that Turkey can not alienate herself totally from the West,
by endangering its relations with the US. For that reason, the paper added,
the Turkish Prime Minister Bulent Ecevit adopted a realistic policy through
subjugating to the US strike against Iraq and for allowing the US to use
the Turkish Incirlik military base in the southern Turkey city of Adanah.

The Turkish Daily News highlighted the strong concern felt by Ecevit toward
the possible establishment of a Kurdish state if conditions continue to
deteriorate in Iraq and claims raised by the Hashemites, supporters of King
Hussein of Jordan, on rights in the southern territories in Iraq.

The paper added that the US ambassador told Ecevit in a meeting held on
Monday that King Hussein repeated his desire in 1995 to lead the Hashemites
in the Arab world.

The paper added that Ecevit called for amendment of the regional security
plan as follows:

The need to launch a campaign to explain the adverse consequences of
monitoring northern Iraq, and dangers inflicted on Turkey as result and the
region for all governments concerned including the US, making intensive
diplomatic contacts to lift obstacles behind merging Iraq with the world
according to UN Security Council resolution 688;

In line with the efforts made to unify Iraq, the Iraqi government has to
provide guarantees to preserve human rights and maintain equality among all
Iraqi people, regardless of their sect and to accept international
monitoring for human rights issues in Iraq;

The representatives of the ethnic groups have to avoid acts of provocation
and to show a spirit of reconciliation and initiate a dialogue with Baghdad
in order to achieve peace;

The need to remind of the rights of the "Turkmens" in Iraq and Baghdad has
to ensure certain rights for them;

Continued UN inspection of the nuclear and chemical weapons in Iraq and
intensifying efforts to eliminate weapons of mass destruction;

Building confidence between Israel and Iraq and calling upon the Iraqi
government to announce its support for the peace process between the
Palestinians and Israel; and to release a statement saying that Iraq has to
work and cooperate for lifting the economic embargo which inflicted great
damages on citizens of northern Iraq.


British Labor parliamentarians at the House of Commons criticize raids on
Iraq
Iraq, Politics, 1/28/99

Members of Parliament from the ruling British Labor Party at the House of
Commons on Wednesday criticized the continued US air strikes against Iraqi
positions and called not for taking further military actions against Iraq.

In a statement they released on Wednesday the British parliamentarians
called upon the British government not to take part in any military act
against Iraq unless such an act is approved by two thirds of the House of
Commons.

The statements added that the British government has no right to get
involved in any long-term military struggle without consulting the British
House of Commons.

The statement also criticized recent rumors of the participation of British
intelligence agents in inspection operations for Iraqi weapons under the
cover of the UN weapons inspection team, UNSCOM.


Albright discusses shelling of Iraq with Saudi leadership
Saudi Arabia, Politics, 1/28/99

Saudi so

[CTRL] Surveillance - Hotmail Web Courier

[Agent Smiley]

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Sharpening Up Surveillance
by Heidi Kriz

11:55 a.m.  27.Jan.99.PST
New federally funded software promises to double the quality of fuzzy video
surveillance camera footage, gratifying crime fighters but raising concerns
among privacy watchdogs.
Developed at Oak Ridge National Laboratory in Tennessee, the Video Imaging
Tool for Aiding Law Enforcement, or VITALE, samples multiple frames of
surveillance footage, compiles information on the subject from different
views, and then fuses the data together to sharpen the image.

"A lot of law enforcement agencies come to us for technology they don't have,"
said Oak Ridge National Laboratory spokesman Ron Walli. "We believe this new
technology will make a significant difference in solving crimes that would
perhaps otherwise remain unsolved."

Researcher Ken Tobin and his team developed algorithms to cut back on the
visual "noise" of video, clearing up the fuzzy, snowy stick-up footage
familiar to consumers of "reality" police television programming.

The technology has already helped put one killer behind bars. In July 1995,
police in Chattanooga, Tennessee, were stymied by grainy footage that showed
the killing of a convenience-store clerk during a robbery. The police sent the
tape to Oak Ridge where, using a prototype version of VITALE, researchers
clarified the image. A suspect was subsequently arrested and convicted.

The Oak Ridge software package is not in commercial release yet, but law
enforcement officials hope to be using a beta version by the end of the
summer. Beyond law enforcement, the technology has medical-imaging and
satellite-technology applications as well, Farrell said.

But Barry Steinhardt, associate director of the ACLU, suggested that the
technology is not likely to stop there.

"What happens if other government agencies get hold of these videotapes, and
use the images and information recorded not of criminals, but innocent private
citizens?" Steinhardt asked.

"It's part of a rush of technology that is making surveillance more and more
commonplace and affordable," Steinhardt said. "We are going to have to resign
ourselves to either all be living in glass houses, or we need to introduce
some regulatory legislation."

The ACLU has definite ideas about such legislation, according to Norman
Siegal, executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union. The group
wants laws to limit the amount of tape recorded, distributed, and stored, and
also wants individuals notified when they are being taped.

To demonstrate the near-ubiquity of public surveillance cameras, the NYCLU
mapped the locations of 2,397 surveillance cameras visible on the streets of
Manhattan.

"We need to take an active, not passive, role in deciding how surveillance
technology can be used in public," Siegal said.

"Technology is driving us. We need to get hold of technology."

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[CTRL] Doomsday antidotes tailed Pope (MSNBC)

[Robert Tatman]

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‘Doomsday antidotes’ tailed pope

Secret chemical-biological antidote ‘cache’ now deployed at all major events



By Robert Windrem
NBC NEWS PRODUCER

NEW YORK, Jan. 27 —  When Pope John Paul II and President Clinton converged on
St. Louis this week, the U.S. Secret Service dispatched the usual high-level
protective teams to guard against terrorism or assassination attempts. But
now, U.S. officials tell NBC News that the security details for such
high-profile events have a new component in tune with more dangerous times: a
cache of chemical and germ warfare antidotes that travels around the country
as needed.

A PALLET of shrink-wrapped pharmaceuticals and intravenous equipment was
shipped to St. Louis for Pope John Paul II’s visit this week and was stored
near the Capitol during Clinton’s State of the Union address on Jan. 19, U.S.
officials said.

   The “pharmaceutical cache,” the existence of which has not been
announced publicly, includes thousands of doses that can be used to treat
victims of chemical or biological attacks. Officials stressed that the caches,
controlled by the Veterans Administration, were dispatched to St. Louis and
other previous events purely as a precautionary measure and not because of any
intelligence indicating an attack was imminent or planned.

NEW AREA OF CONCERN

   Still, the existence of the cache indicates the new priority being
given to countering the use of chemical or biological agents since the attack
on the Tokyo subway system in March 1995. The sarin gas attack by the Aum
Shinri Kyo cult killed 13 people.

   The pharmaceuticals are mainly antidotes like atrophine and tupan,
better known as Valium, for exposure to chemical weapons, and “post-exposure”
pharmaceuticals like penicillin and doxocycline, for biological weapons.

   The veterans agency also sends other drugs to treat people who might
suffer heart attacks or asthma attacks that might result from a terrorist
attack.

VOLUNTEER TEAMS
   The drugs would be administered by a U.S. Public Health Service team —
called a national medical response team — made up of doctors and nurses who
volunteer for the job. The doctors are trained mainly in responding to
chemical weapons and the pharmaceuticals are mainly directed toward countering
chemical weapons, primarily because symptoms of a biological attack likely
would take hours to surface. Chemical attack symptoms strike immediately.

PREVIOUS DEPLOYMENTS
   There are 2,000 to 3,000 doses sent to the location of each special
event. A cache was sent to the Atlanta Olympics in 1996, the G-8 summit in
Denver and presidential inauguration in Washington in 1997, the World Energy
Congress in Houston in 1998 and the papal visit this year. The president’s
State of the Union has been covered since 1997.

   The pharmaceuticals are sent to a medical facility, mostly VA
hospitals, close to the special event.

   Sometimes, however, they are stashed even closer. For example, at the
State of Union address this year, the cache was sent to the Hubert Humphrey
building — the headquarters for the Department of Health and Human Services —
across the street from the House chamber, where the president spoke.

   There are four caches and they are stored at four VA facilities: in
Washington, Los Angeles, Denver and Winston-Salem, NC.

   Originally, the caches were transported in government trucks, but
recently they have been sent via Federal Express. Fedex was more efficient,
said one official, because the government trucks were “old and had problems
[meeting deadlines].”

   The caches are signed for on both ends by the Veterans Administration,
said an official, and Fedex is informed of their contents.

   Robert Windrem is an NBC News investigative producer based in New York.


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[CTRL] Biological Testing on Public Legal!

[Agent Smiley]

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Testing on US Civilians LEGAL!

U.S. Code 50 (Chapter 32, Section 1520(b)1)) states
that the Department of Defence MAY "conduct any test
or experiment involving the use of any chemical or
biological agent on civilian populations" only if the
DoD notifies "local civilian officials" 30 days before
testing chemical or biological agents on U.S. civilians.

So you have the right to have some "civilian officials"
notified before you're used in bio-war experiments.
So we all have the legal right to be a Guinea pig
without knowing, so long as some officials know.

Read this law at the Cornell University library:
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/50/1520.html

This law was added to the U.S. Code in 1996. Why would
federal law define a right for the DoD to "conduct any
test or experiment involving the use of any chemical
or biological agent on civilian populations" (granted
a few officials know) if no such tests and experiments
were planned? It stands to reason that they are planned!
Is this connected to reports of sickening USAF-jet-spray?
USAF Jets Said To Be Spraying Something That Sickens:

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From: Source - Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Thursday, January 28, 1999 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] ENVIROS


> -Caveat Lector-
>
>Howard R. Davis III wrote:
>
>>
>>So, finally someone who agrees with me that the world is not
>>overpopulated! Though I hadn't thought that with a population of some 3
>>billion we were on the verge of extinction. Of course, with the
>>decreasing birth rates in Europe and America perhaps you may have a
>>point. Do you recommend the banning of birth control and abortion to
>>solve this problem?
>
Comment from Agent Smiley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Closer to six billion.


Comment from Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>I recommend as much sex as possible ;-)

Comment from The Pied Piper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I do not think sex will help with the population problem part.  Good for
distraction only.  But what a distraction! :-)
BUT -  Why do I say that?
Were the dinosaurs under or over populated?  Oh, I frogot - it was suppose
to be a meteror that took them out ===>?
http://members.xoom.com/ThePiedPiper/Intro2.htm

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[CTRL] Some Poignancy

[Agent Smiley]

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>A little political commentary
>
>Let's Imagine -  It's time to elect a world leader, and your vote
counts. Here's the scoop >on three leading candidates.
>
>Candidate A:
>Associates with ward heelers and consults with astrologists.
>He's had two mistresses.
>He chain smokes and drinks 8 to 10 martinis a day.
>
>Candidate B:
>Was kicked out of office twice.
>Sleeps until noon.
>Used opium in college.
>Drinks a quart of brandy every evening.
>
>Candidate C:
>Is a decorated war hero.
>He's a vegetarian
>Doesn't smoke,
>Drinks an occasional beer
>Hasn't had any illicit affairs.
>
>Which of these candidates is your choice?  You don't really need any
more information, >do you?

>   |
>   |
>   |
>   |
>
>Candidate A is Franklin D. Roosevelt
>
>Candidate B is Winston Churchill
>
>Candidate C is Adolph Hitler

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[CTRL] Skeptic News Thursday #1

[Ric Carter]

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SkeptiNews 990127a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with : are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Life in the Extreme. (ABC) Organisms can survive the vacuum of space,
crushing ocean depths and lead-melting temperatures. So maybe such
creatures exist outside our planet. NASA’s efforts to find out more -
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DyeHard/dye990127.html

: Will x-orgs [extreme organisms] be useful templates for rebuilding humans
to colonize extreme environments? How would you like to be modified? Why?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

> A MATTER OF GRAVITY: TOOLING PLANTS, ANIMALS FOR SPACE. Sometime in the
next century humans may colonize the moon or Mars; researchers are looking
for plants and animals that settlers from Earth will take with them. "For a
long-term habitation of Mars, you'll have to grow crops, deal with microbes
and so forth." http://cnn.com/TECH/space/9901/27/space.ark.ap/index.html

: Will terraforming planets be easier than adapting terrestrial organisms
to alien environments? Would you rather change yourself or your destination?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

*** Female religious activism seen up. NEW YORK (AP) US women have moved
markedly toward accepting religious activism in politics, according to a
poll by a feminist group. Respondents split 50-50 when asked if elected
officials should be guided by religious values and whether "religion and
politics shouldn't mix." In a comparable survey done in 1992, 63% of women
picked the second choice. 8% shift away from abortion rights in 2 years -
see http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2558225183-cef

: Should more pagan activists be in politics? Should there be a strict wall
of separation between gov't and Wicca, UFOlogy, pantheism, Zen, the Tao?

*** Liberal Judaism sees political win. JERUSALEM (AP) Two liberal streams
of Judaism won a new battle when their representatives were allowed to par-
ticipate on the religious council of a small Israeli town, despite the bit-
ter opposition from Orthodox Jews. Orthodox Judaism held power monopoly -
see http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2558225991-780

: Can theocratic power ever be stable if dissident groups aren't suppressed?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

> POPE URGES U.S. TO BE ROLE MODEL IN NEXT MILLENNIUM. Pope John Paul II
headed back to Rome after urging the United States to be the 21st Century
model of a "humane society" that seeks peace through justice and defends
life by embracing God's truth. "Radical changes in world politics leave
America with a heightened responsibility to be for the world an example of
a genuinely free, democratic, just and humane society," the pope said in a
homily. http://cnn.com/US/9901/27/pope.us.04/index.html

> Links: The Man Behind the Pope:
  http://cnn.com/SPECIALS/1999/pope/bio/early/
> Journey with the Pope: VideoActive Map:
  http://cnn.com/interactive/specials/9901/pope.map/
> POPE TO STAR IN MUSIC VIDEO, CD
  http://cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/Music/9901/27/pope.music.ap/index.html
* Also: Pope condemns death penalty:
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2558228102-fd6
# Vatican Unveils Interactive TV Plan:
  http://nt.excite.com/news/r/990128/10/odd-tv

: Do Islam's growth and Xianity's decline mean the Pope's picked the wrong
"God's truth"? Have Judeo/Xian/Moslem societies traditionally been "free,
democratic, just and humane"? Does your religion do interactive media?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

*** Japanese dance with machine. TOKYO (AP) ...A relentless, demanding part-
ner who always takes the lead. Countless Japanese have succumbed to the lat-
est dance craze - an electronic arcade game called "Dance Dance Revolution"
that could change the look of arcades worldwide. For $1.75, players climb on
a lighted platform and dance with a computer-generated partner, trying to
match their footwork to arrows on a 29-inch screen. The partner does his
own, completely different, thing. Music, mostly '70s disco stuff, pumps at
the players' feet, while a sensor underneath the platform monitors whether
they are stepping up, down, left or right, and keeping time with the rhythm.
See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2558223138-772

: Does this make you long for a good old Karaoke bar? When will all enter-
tainments, dance partners, sex partners, lifestyles, memories be virtual?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Organ transplants 'on a knife edge'. The future of organ transplantation
is under threat because of a shortage of donors and transplant doctors.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_264000/264317.stm

@ Links: British Organ Donor Society: www.argonet.co.uk/body/index.html
# Organ donation: decide now:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_199000/199477.stm
# The art of transplantation:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/background_briefings/newsid_179000/1
79946.stm

: Have too many doctors and donors been abducted by Grays? What have 

Re: [CTRL] Choose a Leader

[Brown, Jeremy]

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I like to buy Avon products, urinate in them and then resell them to
underprivileged immigrants from the Ukraine. This is how I supplement my
income in order to put myself through Goatherding School.

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>  -Caveat Lector-
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> I like urinating on the Avon lady. Does this mean i have Nazi tendencies??
>
> MARK wrote:
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> >Avon Brown  Not Eva Braun?
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> >>  -Caveat Lector-
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> >> Although I don't believe in white-supremacism Hitler was a great
> >> leader. He
> >> took an in debt, no-army, depression-ridden country and turned it into
> >> a
> >> superpower. If he would drop the whole Aryan stuff I would vote for
> >> him.
> >>
> >> PS: Hitler had an illicit affair with his niece. He enjoyed urinated
> >> on her.
> >> Her name was Avon Brown, research it. If you don't believe me.
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[CTRL] Chemicals Called Main Cause of Parkinson's (http://www.latimes.com/CNS_DAYS/990

[L. Shipton]

Original Message from:
From: betty martini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Date: Thursday, January 28, 1999 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: NEWS: Fwd: Parkinson's Disease

LA Times "Chemicals Called Main Cause of Parkinson's"
http://www.latimes.com/CNS_DAYS/990127/t08230.html

When you know that a chemical can effect the genes up to (usually /
sometimes) the second and third generations, wither you want to call the
effect a mutation, hybrid, (depending on how prevalent and wither you are
referring to animal or human) or what ever the study of genetics shows that
there is the possibility of this mutation breeding true.

Many of the ideas that we have grown up with are being disproven.  You are
not necessarily born with all your brain cells, at least some parts of the
brain do regenerate, and the blood brain barrier does not necessarily
protect the whole brain and the parts it does protect can still be effected,
other wise migraine medicine would not work.

The next one that I am checking out is that fat can detoxify.  Knowing that
the brain is at least 50 percent fat.  Why?  When I have a headache I do not
put it down to stress.  Even if you do not like the smell of a babies diper
does it give you a instant headache?  Anything that can give me a headache
is suspect.  That leads to the thought that these items are passing the
blood / brain barrier and could lodge in the fat area of the brain.  OK,
there are many different kinds of fat and oils (limpids) in our body.  Any
one that has cooked a piece of meat knows that you will have oil on the top
of the water but the meat will still have fat on it.  So will the toxins
eventually leave if we detoxify?

Last question.  How many other "genetic" things have their basis in
chemicals or diet?

Laura
aka The Pied Piper

My cut and paste research site on "possible" alternative causes of ADD /
ADHD
http://members.xoom.com/ThePiedPiper/Intro2.htm


 Chemicals Called Main Cause of Parkinson's.url

Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Choose a Leader]

[Robert Tatman]

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> Hitler was not a vegetarian.  This is mere urban legend.

Sorry, Teo, but it's not urban legend. Hitler *was* vegetarian. He commented
on more than one occasion, with great approval, that the largest and strongest
land animal, the elephant, was vegetarian. See any good biography of Hitler,
e.g. Alan Bullock, *Hitler: A Study in Tyranny.*

Bob

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Re: [CTRL] Choose a Leader

[Source - Richard]

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I like urinating on the Avon lady. Does this mean i have Nazi tendencies??

MARK wrote:
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>Avon Brown  Not Eva Braun?
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>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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>> Subject:  Re: [CTRL] Choose a Leader
>>
>>  -Caveat Lector-
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>> Although I don't believe in white-supremacism Hitler was a great
>> leader. He
>> took an in debt, no-army, depression-ridden country and turned it into
>> a
>> superpower. If he would drop the whole Aryan stuff I would vote for
>> him.
>>
>> PS: Hitler had an illicit affair with his niece. He enjoyed urinated
>> on her.
>> Her name was Avon Brown, research it. If you don't believe me.
>>
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Re: [CTRL] Choose a Leader

[Source - Richard]

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Yes, but he did eat sprouts.

Teo1000 wrote:
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>In a message dated 1/27/99 1:22:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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>
><< Candidate C: is a decorated war hero.  He's a vegetarian,
>  doesn't smoke, drinks an occasional beer and hasn't had any
>  illicit affairs.
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>
>Hitler was not a vegetarian.  This is mere urban legend.
>Teo1000
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Re: [CTRL] Choose a Leader

[Teo1000]

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In a message dated 1/27/99 1:22:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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<< Candidate C: is a decorated war hero.  He's a vegetarian,
  doesn't smoke, drinks an occasional beer and hasn't had any
  illicit affairs.
  >>

Hitler was not a vegetarian.  This is mere urban legend.
Teo1000

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Re: [CTRL] Choose a Leader

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Avon Brown  Not Eva Braun?

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> Although I don't believe in white-supremacism Hitler was a great
> leader. He
> took an in debt, no-army, depression-ridden country and turned it into
> a
> superpower. If he would drop the whole Aryan stuff I would vote for
> him.
>
> PS: Hitler had an illicit affair with his niece. He enjoyed urinated
> on her.
> Her name was Avon Brown, research it. If you don't believe me.
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[CTRL] From -This is the dawning of the New age New world Order III

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>From This is the dawning of the New age New world Order
DL Cuddy Phd



At this time-in the United States, socialism was being increasingly
promoted. For example, it was strongly advocated by Arthur Calhoun in his
three-volume work, A Social History of the American Family (1917-1919),
which was a prominent social service textbook for a number of years. In the
third volume, one finds: "The new view is that the higher and more
obligatory relation is to society rather than to the family; the family goes
back to the age of savagery while the state belongs to the age of
civilization. The modern individual is a world citizen, served by the world,
and home interests can no longer be
supreme. . . .  As soon as the new'family, consisting of only theparents and
the children, stoodforth, society saw how many were unfitforparenthood and
began to realize the need of community care."

As one continues to read Calhoun's third volume, one is amazed at
the accuracy of his projections into the future. Writing in 1919, he
projected that ". , as familism weakens, society has to assume a larger
parenthood. The school begins to assume responsibility for the functions
thrust upon it. . . .   The juvenile court is developed as a protection to
the young, and parents are called to account fordisregard of
juvenile delinquency. . . . The kinder-gartengrows downward toward the
cradle and there arises talk of neighborhood nurseries. . . . Social centers
replace the old time home chimney. . . . The childpasses more and more into
the custody of community experts. . . . In the new social order, extreme
emphasis is sure to be placed upon eugenicprocreation. . . . It seems clear
that at least in its early stages, socialism will mean an increased amount
of
socialcontrol. . . .There will be an increase of legislation designed to
check the mating of the unfit and the procreation of undesirable citizens. .
. .

We may expect in the socialist commonwealth a system ofpublic educational
agencies that will begin with the nursery and follow the individual through
life. . . .
Those persons that experience alarm at the thought of intrinsic changes in
family institutions should remember that in the light of social evolution,
nothing is right or valuable in itself. "

In Labour Monthly (October 1921), Fabian George Bernard Shaw wrote
that "compulsory labour, with death as the final penalty . . .  is the
keystone of socialism."

Ten years later, in the May 17, 1931 London SundayMail, he would say,
"Never give anything to the poor. They are useless, dangerous, and ought to
be abolished.',

This type of thinking fit well with elitist eugenicist Margaret
Sanger's (founder of Planned Parenthood) views concerning population
control. Sanger (1957 Humanist of the Year) was introduced to people of
wealth and influence by John D. Rockefeller, and in 19 14 she set forth her
creed as a woman's right "to live, to love, to be lazy, to be an unwed
mother, to create, to destroy.'

 During 1914 and 1915, she would have an intimate liaison with the sexual
pervert and drug user, Havelock Ellis, who helped found the Fabian Society.
In her first newspaper, The Woman Rebel, she wrote that "birth control
appeals to the advanced radical because it is calculated to undermine the
Christian churches. I look forward to seeing humanity free someday of the
tyranny of Christianity. "In Woman and the New Race (1920), she said, "The
most merciful thing that the large family does to one of its infant members
is to kill it. "
There was also a racist element to Sanger's philo- sophy. The
November 1921 issue of her Birth Control Review carried the heading "Birth
Control: To Create a Race of Thoroughbreds." In her 1922 book, The Pivot of
Civilization, she expressed concern that "slum dwellers" (particularly
Blacks, Hispanics, and Jewish immigrants) would infect the better "elements
of society with their diseases and inferior genes." The next year, she
editorialized in Birth Control Review for restricting immigration on a
racial basis, and in 1932 she outlined her "Plan for Peace," which called
for coercive sterilization, mandatory segregation, and rehabilitative
concentration camps for all "dysgenic stocks"   including Blacks, Hispanics,
American Indians, and Catholics. Her "Negro Project"proposal stated, "The
mass of Negroes, particularly in the South, still breed carelessly and
disastrously . . . [and is] from that portion of the population least
intelligent and fit. "In an October 1939 letter to Clarence Gamble, Sanger
described how they would use "Colored ministers" to further their plans,
because "we do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro
population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out the idea to
fit ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members. "

Margaret Sanger also had sympathy for the Nazi's program. In her
1939 Birth Control Review, there was an emphasis upon e

Re: [CTRL] Electronic Tagging begings today in the UK

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You've not mentioned the brain implants being used on at least 30 prisoners in 
Scotland by the end of the year. An official said 'They are designed to be harmless, 
but until tested on at least 30 prisoners, we cannot be sure. The only side effect 
noted so far is nautiousness and passing out for no more than 10 hours at a time.'

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>The first prisoners with electronic tagging bracelets are released from
>British prisons today.  The ankle tag is supposed to be inconspicuous,
>and not harmful in any way.  Up to 30,000 prisoners a year are expected
>to be released wearing these devices.
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Re: [CTRL] ENVIROS

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Howard R. Davis III wrote:

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>So, finally someone who agrees with me that the world is not
>overpopulated! Though I hadn't thought that with a population of some 3
>billion we were on the verge of extinction. Of course, with the
>decreasing birth rates in Europe and America perhaps you may have a
>point. Do you recommend the banning of birth control and abortion to
>solve this problem?

I recommend as much sex as possible ;-)

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> Though I hadn't thought that with a population of some 3
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Closer to six billion.

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[CTRL] Perjurium

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Via http://www.sacbee.com/voices/national/buckley/

Perjury everywhere?



By William Buckley
Published Jan. 22, 1999

A week before the Senate deliberated what exactly the term perjury meant,
"Frontline," on PBS, ran a documentary ("Snitch") on informants. An
important player in it was lawyer Eric Sterling, a very angry man who is
president of the Criminal Justice Policy Foundation. Mr. Sterling maintains
that, in some circles, perjury is the "coin of the realm"; that perjury
goes on, is known by prosecutors to be going on, as also by trial judges
who protect themselves with ritual disclaimers.

It is, of course, a standard technique of advocacy to attempt to discredit
the witness -- the informant, in the "Snitch" documentary. If in this
endeavor you do not succeed, then invite the jury to stall over the
conundrum, before declaring guilt or innocence. What do you do when there
is a division of opinion?

Last Wednesday's defense advocate in the Senate, Gregory Craig, said to the
senators that the president couldn't be held perjurious in having sworn
under oath that this is what he and Monica actually did, for the simple
reason that though she said something else, it boiled down to her having
said one thing about what they did together, he something else; so it's
just a he-said she-said quandary.

Eric Sterling is talking about what he persuasively denounces as a national
scandal, which is the workaday perjury of witnesses in dope-crime
prosecutions who are moved to lie by simple concentration on what the
prosecutor can do to you if you don't give him what he wants. Here, he
tells us, is what goes through the mind of the co-defendant when asked by
the prosecutor to denounce his fellow defendant:

"Geez, I'm facing 30 years or 50 years in prison. How can I get out? What
do I have to do? What do I have to testify to? Who do I have to testify
against? I have to say (that the other guy) was a dope dealer? How bad
(he'll ask me) do you think this guy is? (I'll say), 'He's real bad.'
(He'll) say to me, 'He sold 50 kilos, he was the biggest dealer in town. Is
it true?' (I'll say) 'I swear it's true, honest."'

It was implied by the president's defense that Monica Lewinsky is suspect
as a witness. After all, she was given immunity by the independent counsel,
was she not? Did she proceed to do the kind of thing Eric Sterling is
talking about, done every day in drug prosecutions?

There is an irony here because Sterling was counsel to the House Committee
on the Judiciary for 10 years, the Reagan years, and participated in the
crafting of the mandatory sentencing law, which law he now classifies as
"the greatest tragedy of my professional life."

What brought them on was the death from an overdose of drugs of the Boston
Celtics' Len Bias in 1986. The death of the basketball hero brought on "an
incredible conjunction between politics and hysteria." Tip O'Neill, who was
speaker of the House and congressional representative from Cambridge,
called the leadership together and said, "I want a drug bill; I want it in
four weeks." What then happened, with the participation of Sterling, was
what he described as a "stampede." "No hearings, no consideration by the
federal judges, no input from the Bureau of Prisons. Even the DEA (Drug
Enforcement Agency) didn't testify. The whole thing is kind of cobbled
together with chewing gum and bailing wire."

We are reminded of the Clinton advocate's conclusion that the case against
the president was made up of "prosecutorial fudge."

Eric Sterling is very eloquent with his complaint. He reminds us that at
the time the mandatory sentencing law was written, there were 30,000
federal prisoners. The figure is now 100,000. He wishes us to believe that
many of these are there because the law makes a 10-year mountain out of a
2-ounce marijuana molehill. He is certainly persuasive in pleading the
extraordinary severity of current sentencing. The day before Mr. Craig
pleaded Clinton's case, the Supreme Court upheld a 25-years-to-life
sentence against a convicted Californian who had stolen a $20 bottle of
vitamins. He was now a victim of the three-times-and-you're-out law,
theoretically appealing, but sometimes grotesque in its application.

What those who protest the severity of mandatory sentencing for drugs need
to do is to confront the enticing correlation between the great reduction
in crime in the past few years and the longevity of prison sentences. Those
of us who are on record as rejecting the war on drugs have contended that
the reason for most drug crime is the profitability of merchandising drugs,
which would not be the case if drugs were available to addicts at the cost
of manufacture (2 percent of street price). If it is true that perjury is
wholesale because of self-defense against egregious prison sentences, that
is something Congress should get around to investigating, after it is done
with 

[CTRL] "I'm a ..."

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"... politician" ???


>From Wash (DC) Post

Twisted Policy on Iraq

By Sam Husseini

Tuesday, January 26, 1999; Page A19

President Clinton, in his address to the nation just after ordering the
bombing of Iraq last month on the eve of his scheduled impeachment vote,
claimed that while "other countries possess weapons of mass destruction and
ballistic missiles, with Saddam there's one big difference. He has used
them, not once but repeatedly." Clinton failed to mention that our
government was rather chummy with Hussein when he was using such weapons.

The president then played psychic, insisting that unless we bomb, "Saddam
Hussein will use these terrible weapons again" -- ignoring the fact that he
did not use them during the Gulf War.

"Without the sanctions" against Iraq, Clinton continued, there would be
"less food for [Iraq's] people." Can anybody believe that? UNICEF studies
show that 5,000 Iraqi children are dying every month as a result of the
sanctions. The sanctions are the opposite of "smart bombs" (inflated as
that concept is): Sanctions actually target the weakest people in society
-- children, the elderly, the sick.

Clinton is being disingenuous when he says that "so long as Iraq remains
out of compliance, we will work with the international community to
maintain and enforce the economic sanctions." In fact, the administration
has undermined the international consensus by insisting that the economic
sanctions continue even if Iraq complies with the weapons inspectors.

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright in March 1997 declared: "We do not
agree with the nations who argue that if Iraq complies with its obligations
concerning weapons of mass destruction, sanctions should be lifted." This
twisted U.S. policy is totally contrary to U.N. Resolution 687, which
states that when Iraq complies with the weapons inspectors, the sanctions
"shall have no further force or effect."

"I am a Baptist," Clinton stated as he was about to take office. "I believe
in death-bed conversions. If he [Saddam Hussein] wants a different
relationship with the United States and the United Nations, all he has to
do is change his behavior." Immediately, as commentators attacked the
incoming president for such politically incorrect notions, Clinton
backtracked the next day, saying: "There is no difference between my policy
and the policy of the present [Bush] administration" -- that is, the
sanctions would stay in place so long as Saddam Hussein does. This has
ensured another six years of hell for 20 million Iraqis.

This policy of keeping the economic sanctions in place regardless of
compliance with UNSCOM has apparently succeeded in destroying UNSCOM. The
practice of maintaining the sanctions whatever Iraq's actions was applied
to the recent bombing, as Clinton attacked Iraq without stating what Iraq
could do to put a stop to the bombing. UNSCOM ceased to be an instrument of
weapons inspections and became rather an excuse for bombing.

Now, in a cynical gesture, the administration makes a show of offering to
lift the cap on the "oil-for-food" program -- although Iraq's devastated
infrastructure cannot produce the amount of oil currently allowed by the
United Nations.

This administration claims its bombings and enforcement of the "no-fly"
zones are U.N.-mandated, while actually these administration policies are
undermining international law. In fact, last month the retiring Rep. David
Skaggs (D-Colo.) pointedly raised a legal issue, noting that "President
Clinton acted in violation of the Constitution in ordering these attacks
without authority of Congress." Michael Ratner of the Center for
Constitutional Rights notes perhaps the supreme irony -- "legally,
Clinton's unauthorized bombing is more impeachable than his lies about
Lewinsky."

Last month's bombing was not instigated, like previous standoffs, by Iraq's
expelling inspectors but by a report by UNSCOM head Richard Butler. Citing
sources, The Post reported that "Clinton administration officials played a
direct role in shaping Butler's text during multiple conversations with him
[two days before the bombing] at secure facilities in the U.S. mission to
the U.N."

When Iraq was reducing compliance this summer, claiming that UNSCOM
inspectors were spies, Clinton officials said they would take action at a
"time and place of our choosing." Both the Iraqis and the administration
were far more prescient than anyone could have imagined.

Still, the real issue is the policy, not its timing. Sanctions and bombing;
killing slowly and killing quickly. Killing Iraqis is not a strategy.



The writer is communications director of the Institute for Public Accuracy.



© Copyright 1999 The Washington Post Company



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[CTRL] Democratic Rights

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WSWS : News & Analysis : North America : Clinton Impeachment

Conyers defends Democrats' silence on impeachment conspiracy

By Jerry White
28 January 1999

At a forum held last Sunday at Michigan State University, John Conyers, a
senior Democratic Congressman from Detroit, acknowledged that the Senate
impeachment trial is the outcome of an immense political conspiracy, but
that he and his fellow Democrats have decided to conceal their knowledge of
this plot from the American people.

Conyers spoke at a teach-in entitled "Americans Against Impeachment"
organized by Democratic Party supporters in the Lansing area. Before a
small audience of about 250, he described the events in Washington as a
"political coup d'etat" and "a bloodless takeover of the government."

Conyers has been a fixture in the House of Representatives for three
decades and, as the ranking Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee,
played a key role in the hearings last fall that ultimately resulted in the
first-ever impeachment of an elected president. Speaking from the vantage
point of a Washington insider, he suggested that the right-wing conspiracy
involved the highest levels of the state, including the Supreme Court.

"There have been a lot of changes that make us have to look at the Supreme
Court itself," he said. "They ruled that Clinton would be the first
president to stand trial during his presidency."

Indicating that the choice of Kenneth Starr for the post of independent
counsel was part of the conspiracy, he pointed out that Starr, a well-known
figure within the right wing of the Republican Party, "was not an unknown
quantity."

Those who selected Starr, Conyers continued, "knew he would do the things
he did." (Conyers could have added, but didn't, that Chief Justice William
Rehnquist, the man who is presiding over the Senate impeachment trial, had
a hand in Starr's appointment, having chosen an extreme right-wing
Republican, David Sentelle, to head the three-judge panel that fired Robert
Fiske and named Starr as his replacement.)

Finally Conyers implicated the media, saying it "fed fuel to the fire" and
withheld information that would have exposed the "perjury trap" and
"elevation of a personal matter into an impeachment."

Conyers' remarks on the Republican Party reflected the common knowledge in
Washington that the GOP has largely become the instrument of extreme
right-wing and fascistic forces, such as the Christian Coalition, militia
groups and anti-abortion zealots.

"A huge battle is going on for the soul of the Republican Party," he said.
"It is between the Conservative Right and a dwindling number of quiet,
milk-toast moderates. The moderates have been told: 'Those of you who break
ranks will have an opponent and we will run against you with everything we
have.'" He added that the people leading the charge against Clinton have a
"pathological hatred" of the president and the "modest programs" he
proposes.

The audience at the MSU meeting was indicative of the narrow social base on
which the Democratic Party rests. Those present consisted chiefly of
Democratic Party officials, their staffs and families, as well as local
clergymen and demoralized veterans of various protest movements. As the
turnout indicated, the active supporters of the Democratic Party come
mainly from the privileged sections of the upper-middle-class and the rich,
social layers that are for the most part oblivious to the conditions of the
vast majority of Americans, and indifferent to the defense of democratic
rights.

Within this milieu, Conyers felt at liberty to say things he has not said
on the floor of the House of Representatives or before television cameras.
But having outlined a political attack from the right on the institutions
of American democracy, he spent much of his time Sunday evening justifying
his own refusal, and that of the White House, to fight back.

When challenged by supporters of the Socialist Equality Party in the
audience to explain the Democrats' failure to alert the American people of
the threat to their democratic rights, Conyers made it clear that this
silence is absolutely conscious and deliberate.

In response to a question from the floor, Conyers admitted that he and
everyone else on Capitol Hill know about the ties between leading
Republicans and racist organizations. "I would love to raise all the
questions of [Bob] Barr and [Trent] Lott and everybody's association with
racist organizations," he said. "But guess what? A lot more besides those
two have been doing it for a long time. And some Democrats, by the way,
have also."

It cannot be said that Conyers has lacked a platform to speak to the public
about these matters. For weeks on end, during the House impeachment
hearings, he made the rounds of the TV interview shows, where he was
presented as the leading Democrat on the Judiciary Committee. He questioned
Starr under oath when the independent counsel testified before the
com

[CTRL] Foster, NSA and Banks (Part 13)

[Brian Redman]

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   Allegations Regarding Vince Foster, the NSA, and
Banking Transactions Spying, Part XIII

  by J. Orlin Grabbe

 ***
 * I added an extraneous item to Robert Altman's bibliography in   *
 * Part XII.  Of course ROBERT Altman, unlike ROGER Altman, was*
 * never head of the RTC.  Cognitive dissonance similarly teaches  *
 * us that Barry Seal was not a Black Panther.  As one friend of   *
 * Adler Berriman Seal said to me:  "Barry Seal was really not such*
 * a bad guy."  My respond:  "I never said he was."  As the Tao Te *
 * Ching reminds us:  Shit Happens.  We've all done things we've   *
 * had occasion to regret.  Vince Foster, for example.  Caveat lector. *
 ***

1.  Did some NSA computers begin to go down at approximately
10:30 p.m. EST on August 4, 1995, due to a computer virus?

2.  Was the NSA hoist with its own PROMIS software, back-door
petard?

3.  Did the virus begin in Iowa, the home of the money-laundering
coverup?

4.  Will major banks soon launch massive lawsuits against
Systematics and E-Systems for selling them computer software and
hardware systems with deliberate security holes?

5.  Does Mellon Bank keep encrypted account numbers?

6.  Are encrypted account numbers against Federal Reserve
regulations?

7.  Has Mellon Bank been involved in money laundering on a
grand scale?

8.  Was some of the laundered money paid to silence witness
of the flows of arms, drugs, and political payola in Arkansas?

9.  Did Vince Foster keep two 1-inch ring binders in Bernard
Nussbaum's safe?

10. Were these binders prepared by the National Security Agency?

11. Was one binder white and the other binder blue?

12. Did the blue binder contain nuclear secrets critical to
national security--such as, say, nuclear missile launch codes
and targeting information?

13. Will Hillary Clinton, like Vince Foster, become depressed
and commit suicide?

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Re: [CTRL] Missing Witness

[Bill Kingsbury]

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At 12:21 PM 1-27-1999 -0700, Hilary wrote:
>hello all,
>
>Does any have any information on the specific witness who were "missing"
>and unable to testify in various hearings:  Chinagate, filegate,
>Whitewater, etc?


Look for the complete 'Clinton Death List' (etc.), which contains
lists of those claiming the 5th, refusing to answer, and leaving
or fleeing the country.  The following contains a partial list:

 http://209.67.114.212/forum/a36196a262f6a.htm

 Has President Clinton and His Administration Obstructed Justice?

 excerpt:

 * Government Reform and Oversight Committee 9/17/98 "...Between the
   beginning of the investigation and the present, over 110 individuals
   have either invoked their fifth amendment rights or fled the country
   rather than cooperate with the investigation  \15\"


You could post this question to:  http://www.freerepublic.com
where they probably have current references available.


--Bill



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[CTRL] Electronic Tagging begings today in the UK

[MARK]

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The first prisoners with electronic tagging bracelets are released from
British prisons today.  The ankle tag is supposed to be inconspicuous,
and not harmful in any way.  Up to 30,000 prisoners a year are expected
to be released wearing these devices.


MARK

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Re: [CTRL] ENVIROS

[Howard R. Davis III]

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Andrew Hennessey wrote:
>
snip


>
> You have the right to ignore that the World & Race is on the Brink of
> Extinction
> facts that are available to any person who chooses to look

snip

So, finally someone who agrees with me that the world is not
overpopulated! Though I hadn't thought that with a population of some 3
billion we were on the verge of extinction. Of course, with the
decreasing birth rates in Europe and America perhaps you may have a
point. Do you recommend the banning of birth control and abortion to
solve this problem?

Howard Davis

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[CTRL] This is the dawning of the New age New world OrderII

[Taylor, John (JH)]

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>From This is the dawning of the New age New world Order
DL Cuddy Phd

It was during the first half of the nineteenth century that the
French philosopher Auguste Comte (whose mentor was the French social
philoqopher and Mason Saint-Simon) founded positivism (which Comte called a
"religion") and modern sociology. He was a social engineer who stated in his
System of Postive Polity (1853),
"We must get rid of personality in every shape"

He also stated, "In the name of the past and of thefuture,the servants of
humanity -  both its philosophical and its practical servants come
forward to claim as their due the general direction of this world. "
Keep in mind here that Lucis Publishing Co. would print a book,
Serving Humanity, which would be a compilation from the writings of
occultist Alice Bailey, who would write in her book Education in the New
Age, published in 1954, that there is a need for "personality control" and
that "what is really taking place is the hastening of the process of light
mantfestation. "
In his excellent critical analysis of leading intellectuals in
history, Paul Johnson wrote in Intellectuals (1988), con-cerning the social
engineers, that "social engineering is the creation of millenarian
intellectuals who believe that they can re-fashion the universe by the light
of their unaided reason. It is the birthright of the totalitarian tradition.
"
The humanistic philosophy and sociology of social engineers such as
Comte in the first half of the nineteenth century would be combined with the
experimental psychol-ogy of the German physiologist and psychologist Wilhelm
Wundt in the last half of the nineteenth century to have a revolutionary
impact upon society in general and educa-tion in particular, beginning at
the first half of the twentieth century. Wundt was influenced by Johann
Herbart and was a professor at the University of Berlin in 1856, at the same
time that Timothy Dwight was studying there. Dwight would become the twelfth
president of Yale University, and was a member of Skull and Bones in 1849.
Ironically, an ancestor of Dwight's by the same name was an earlier
president of Yale University who had spoken out in 1798 against the French
Revolution and the Illuminati.
Wundt's grandfather was a professor at Heidelburg and a member of the
Illuminati with the code name "Raphael."
Wundt's first American doctoral student in psychology at Leipzig was
G. Stanley Hall. Some years earlier, Hall had studied philosophy at the
University of Berlin with funds from Henry Sage, who was a member of Scroll
and Key (the sister senior society to Skull and Bones at Yale University)
and two of whose nephews were members of Skull and Bones. When Hall returned
to the U.S. from Berlin, he became a professor at Antioch College, Ohio
(where Horace Mann was president, 1853-1860), and spent an occasional Sunday
there with Alphonso Taft (co-founder of Skull and Bones in 1832). After
receiving his doctorate from Wundt at Leipzig, Hall was hired by Daniel Coit
Gilman (member of Skull and Bones) to be a professor at Johns Hopkins
University, where Hall became the mentor of John Dewey, the "father of
progressive education."
At the beginning of the twentieth century, before John Dewey's
"progressive"educationa1 experimentation began to have its disastrous
effects, illiteracy in the United States was becoming almost nonexistent.
According to the census bureau, illiteracy among those ten to twenty years
old went down from 7.6 percent in 1900 to only 4.7 percent in 19 10. Dewey
and his fellow progressive educators, like Edward Thorndike, James Russell,
James Cattell, and Charles Judd, as well as Dewey disciples such as Harold
Rugg, George Counts, and William H. Kilpatrick, would intro-duce a new type
of education into American schools with the eventual results being the
tragedy we see today.
Perhaps the best analysis of the "progressive educa-ctors" was
written by Richard Weaver in the chapter,
"Gnostics of Education,"in his book Visions of Order(1964). Weaver
describes the "progressives" as a "revolu-tionary cabal"engaged in "a
systematic attempt to under-mine society's traditions and beliefs. "When
state educa-tion bureaucracies were created, he says, these "experts"
required public school teachers to become indoctrinated in their
philosophical premises and aims, which were that "change" is essential;
children should follow their own desires; the teacher is not an evil
"authority figure," but rather simply a "1eader"cooperating with a group;
grades are "undemocratic" because they demonstrate inequality; and
discipline is bad because it has elements of fear and compulsion. Weaver
compares the "progressives" with the anti-authoritarian gnostics of the
first and second centuries A.D. who believed in divinized man who should do
whatever he wants to do (e.g., if there is a "god within," then "if it feels
good, do it").
This attitude

Re: [CTRL] Choose a Leader

[SharpInt]

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Although I don't believe in white-supremacism Hitler was a great leader. He
took an in debt, no-army, depression-ridden country and turned it into a
superpower. If he would drop the whole Aryan stuff I would vote for him.

PS: Hitler had an illicit affair with his niece. He enjoyed urinated on her.
Her name was Avon Brown, research it. If you don't believe me.

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[CTRL] Skeptic News Wednesday #3

[Ric Carter]

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SkeptiNews 990126c - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with : are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Lodestone May Be Creature Compass. (ABC) Cells containing magnetite — a
magnetic crystal also known as lodestone — found in trout may explain how
the species, and perhaps others, are able to navigate on long journeys.
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DailyNews/navigation990127.html

: Are these cells like natural implants? Are there magnets in your head?

# Chip Could Eliminate Pills, Shots. (ABC) Scientists are developing a
microchip loaded with drugs that could be released at scheduled intervals
or on demand, potentially becoming a replacement for shots or pills if
swallowed or implanted into the body. Chemical modification as desired -
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/tech/DailyNews/chip_medicine990127.html

: Is this the ideal way to deliver LSD? Would you volunteer for a hallucin-
ogen chip? Is this a good tool to control people? Is this alien technology?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# INDONESIA, IRELAND AT INFO WAR? An Irish ISP says that the island nation
is behind a series of sophisticated attacks against its servers, which host
the East Timor country domain. Fire when you see the bytes in their eyes -
www.wired.com/news/news/email/explode-infobeat/politics/story/17562.html

# East Timor breakthrough. (BBC) Indonesian has suggested for the first time
that it will consider letting go of the troubled territory of East Timor.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/events/indonesia/latest_news/newsid_263000/
263828.stm

# Internet Links: Free East Timor: http://www.freetimor.com/
# East Timor Action Network: http://www.etan.org/
# Dept of Foreign Affairs, Republic of Indonesia: http://www.deplu.go.id/

: Is the war ending early, or is this a feint, or did the Space Brothers
intervene, or has someone's implant misfired, or is more trouble brewing?
Is Muslim Indonesia glad to be rid of Catholic E.Timor? Would you be? Is
a greater info.war being waged against Indonesia? Are they cutting losses?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# SHARPENING UP SURVEILLANCE. A new software algorithm promises to double
the resolution of grainy convenience-store camera footage. More crooks will
be caught, yes, but privacy watchdogs are nervous. Somebody's watching you -
http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/17565.html

# DIGITAL TV GETS SMALL. Microtune has figured out a way to shrink the
critical electronics of DTV onto a single chip. Pretty soon, you might be
able to watch high-res ER on your cell phone. Or monitor surveillance -
http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/17543.html

# SUN ON PRIVACY: "GET OVER IT". At the launch of Sun Microsystems' new
Jini technology, CEO Scott McNealy calls consumer privacy a non-issue.
The Federal Trade Commission has another view. Much more than you wanted -
http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/17538.html

: With tiny vid.cams & screens everywhere, is privacy possible, meaningful?
When the whole globe is wired tight, are your secret dreams public property?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

SAN PEDRO, WATCH OVER THE NET. A group in Spain would like to see a 15th
century priest become the patron saint of the Internet. Like we need one -
http://www.wired.com/news/news/culture/story/17541.html

: Would you prefer a Mormon, Orthodox, Sufi, Buddhist, atheist saint? Who?

*** Court clears solstice celebrators. NEW YORK (AP) - A judge who said his
Celtic pre-Christian ancestors considered the winter solstice a sacred cele-
bration dismissed charges against solstice revelers arrested for building a
bonfire and dancing on a beach. "There are some occasions and situations
where it is appropriate for the government to step back and allow special
things to happen," Criminal Court Judge Michael Brennan said in a written
ruling Tuesday in dismissing trespassing charges. The 23 solstice revelers
were cited Dec. 21 for dancing around a bonfire on a closed Staten Island
beach. http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2558221091-104

: Would you like to dance naked around a beach bonfire? Do you need a 'holy'
day as an excuse? Should we go dance naked right now? Will the ETs let you?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Electric theories on acupuncture. (BBC) A British scientist believes the
ancient Chinese medical art of acupuncture works by sending electrical cur-
rent through the body. Zap me again, Doc, yeah, right there, oooh
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_263000/263387.stm

# Links: Foundation for traditional Chinese medicine:
  http://www.demon.co.uk/acupuncture/index.html
# The British Medical Acupuncture Society:
  http://www.medical-acupuncture.co.uk/

# Credit Where Due: Once Dismissed, Freud’s Theory on Dreams Gains Credence.
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/living/DailyNews/dreams990126.html

: How testable are these theories? Are the dreams & currents measured? How?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Humans may b