[CTRL] --- Why Clinton learned to love to BOMB --- . . .

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Why Clinton learned to love to BOMB

Clinton demonized conservatives as blowing up Federal Buildings (ala
Timothy McVey), calling them the forces of darkness to propel himself into
the 96 presidential winners circle.

REF:

The Electronic Telegraph  (Sunday 10 November 1996 FAIR USE) Bomb that
gave Clinton victory could still return to haunt him By Ambrose
Evans-Pritchard in Washington

RELAXING on Air Force One after the election, Bill Clinton told reporters
it was the Oklahoma bombing that proved the turning-point in his political
fortunes.

It was the moment when the militias, the Christian Right and the Gingrich
onslaught against government, all melded together in the public mind as
one rampant movement of extremism. "It broke a spell in the country as the
people began searching for our common ground again," said Clinton.

I was struck by the observation, because I have long believed that the
Oklahoma bombing was the spring-board for the remarkable come-back of
Clinton.

Clinton seized the moment. He blamed Right-wing radio talk shows for
sowing distrust of government institutions and for creating a climate of
"hate" that fostered recourse to violence. He did not name the Republicans
as co-conspirators; he did not have to. The US media made the connection
for him. -- END
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In an ironic twist of events, it is HE, Clinton, who is bombing all over
the planet to prevent terrorism. HE, as commander in chief, has expanded
the (NATO) operations to blowing up federal buildings in Yugoslavia. WOW!
This is an ironic turn of events! Not only that, he is creating the hatred
of America which creates the terrorists he wants to protect us from: those
HE creates!

If that were not enough, he has dismantled our military (and are we going
to reorder those cruise missiles he expended?), denigrated our Federal
institutions, ignored our Constitution, and usurped the government he
pretends to protect. WHY?

Has it something do with the bridge to the New World Order village?

"War is Peace!"  -- Orwell _1984_

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[CTRL] NO BLOOD FOR HEROIN! HOW GERMANY, A REALLY BIG MOB, AND UNCLE SAM HELPED DESTABILIZE SERBIA

1999-04-01 Thread Kris Millegan

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 NO BLOOD FOR HEROIN!
HOW GERMANY, A REALLY BIG MOB, AND UNCLE SAM HELPED DESTABILIZE SERBIA

The Kosovo Liberation Army, in whose defense U.S. planes are bombing
Serbia, is a gigantic heroin operation whose profits purchased weapons
to kill Albanians and Serbs, and whose product disrupted lives in
Western Europe. KLA dealers today fill the jails in Switzerland, Italy,
and Germany.

The facts are not new and were not researched by TINAF. The facts were
printed in The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, London's
Independent, San Francisco's Chronicle, The Times of London, The
Christian Science Monitor, Milan's Corriere della Sera, and even Jane's
Intelligence Review. All of the facts from these widely-respected
Western sources are listed in the two ftp supplements listed below.

You may want to look at the raw data there. TINAF will present a more
detailed analysis in our next issue.

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The Internet Anti-Fascist: Saturday, 27 March 99
FTP Supplement #108 (#241): Events in Former Yugoslavia
Part 3: Background material to help anti-militarists
22) Anthony M. DeStefano (Wall Street Journal), "Giuliani and
Kosovo-Albanian Drug Mafia in NYC ," 9 Sep 85
23) William Drozdiak (Washington Post), "Merchants of death and drugs;
Porous borders, Balkan war bring epidemics of heroin smuggling,
arms sales ," 14 Nov 93
24) Robert Block and Leonard Doyle (The Independent [London]), "Drug
profits fund weapons for Balkans," 10 Dec 93
25) Barry James (The International Herald Tribune), "In Balkans, Arms
For Drugs," 6 Jun 94
26) Frank Viviano (The San Francisco Chronicle), "Drugs Paying for
Conflict in Europe: Separatists supporting themselves with traffic
in narcotics ," 10 Jun 94
27) Defense  Foreign Affairs' Strategic Policy (no author), "Albanian
Role in Drug Trade," 31 Aug 94
28) Tim Judah (The Times [of London]), "Albanian mafias target drug
routes ," 18 Oct 94
29) Yigal Chazan (The Christian Science Monitor), "Albanian Mafias Find
New Drug Routes Around Yugoslavia ," 20 Oct 94
30) Marko Milivojevic  (Jane's Intelligence Review), "The 'Balkan
Medellin'," 1 Feb 95
31) CTK National News Wire (no author), "Two kilogrammes of pure heroin
detained by Czech police," 5 Aug 95
32) Vladimir Alexe (Romania Libera), "Albanian Terrorists of KLA Pay
[For] Weapon[s] In Heroin," 30 Jul 98
ftp://ftp.nyct.net/pub/users/tallpaul/publish/tinaf/tinaf241.txt

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The Internet Anti-Fascist: Sunday, 28 March 99
FTP Supplement #109 (#242): Events in Former Yugoslavia
Part 4: Background material to help anti-militarists
33) Srdja Trifkovic (Chronicles -- A Magazine of American Culture),
""Cultural Revolutions:" [Kosovo and the German Intelligence
Apparat]," Dec 98
34) Tom Walker (The Globe and Mail [U.K.]), "Unrepentant KLA Dismisses
Accusations: Kosovo rebels unlikely to co-operate with probe by
Canadian war-crimes prosecutor," 9 Nov 98
35) Roberto Ruscica (Corriere della Sera [Milan]), "Albanian Mafia,
This Is How It Helps The Kosovo Guerrilla Fighters," 15 October
1998
36) C.B. (Corriere della Sera [Milan]), "Crimes Committed In Italy
Provided Funds For Kosovo Guerrillas," 19 Jan 99
37) Brian Mitchell (Investor's Daily), "Yugoslavia's Bloody History,"
12 Mar 99
38) BBC (no author), "Nine ethnic Albanians on trial in Macedonia ," 8
Feb 99
39) Reuters (no author), "West Has Little Leverage Over Kosovo
Guerrillas," 14 Feb 99
40) Turkish Daily News (no author), "Turkey calls for further rights
for Kosovars," 25 Feb 99
41) National Conservative Weekly (no author), "Jane's Says Muslim
Guerrillas Wage War of Terror Against Serbs: No Go On Kosovo," 5
Mar 99
42) CTK/Prague (no author), "Albanian Drug Lord and confederates
arrested," 11 Mar 99
43) Jeffrey Fleishman (Philadelphia Inquirer), "Italy battling a new
wave of criminals -- Albanians: Refugees are cutting into the Mafia
turf," 15 Mar 99
ftp://ftp.nyct.net/pub/users/tallpaul/publish/tinaf/tinaf242.txt

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The Internet Anti-Fascist: Monday, 29 March 99
FTP Supplement #110 (#243): Events in Former Yugoslavia
Part 5: Background material to help anti-militarists
Letters From Critics
ftp://ftp.nyct.net/pub/users/tallpaul/publish/tinaf/tinaf243.txt

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  CORRECTION:

The last issue, Vol. 3, Number 24 (#240) was mistakenly dated Tuesday,
23 Mar 99. The correct date was Friday, 26 Mar 99.

   * * * * *

In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is
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prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research
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[CTRL] Historians Note Flaws in President's Speech

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Historians Note Flaws in President's Speech

By ETHAN BRONNER (New York Times)


  About a dozen historians and Balkan specialists consulted
Thursday said that President Clinton's use of history in justifying
the decision to bomb Serbia to the American people was imprecise and
misleading.

 The scholars, most of whom said they approved of the decision itself,
 were unhappy with the speech's allusions to World Wars I and II, the
 most destructive conflicts of modern history, to explain what is,
 after all, limited U.S. military involvement in a limited conflict.

 "I have trouble equating Bosnia or Kosovo with World War I and II,"
 said Bruce Russett, a professor of international relations at Yale
 University. "He is overstating the stakes. World War II brings to
 mind the landing at Normandy. He clearly doesn't want to do that."

 Many specialists were also struck by Clinton's assertion in his
 Wednesday speech that, earlier in this decade, "many people believed
 nothing could be done to end the bloodshed in Bosnia." They said the
 president and his aides were among those people.

 "I was amazed," remarked Raymond Tanter, professor of political
 science at the University of Michigan. "President Clinton was of the
 mind that because of ancient hatreds it was not possible to do much
 about the situation in Bosnia. He now has moved away from that
 position.

 "It is an irony that the president doesn't include himself in the
camp of those who were part of the problem."

 Tanter and others acknowledged, however, that the task of explaining
 U.S. military involvement in Serbia was unenviably complex.

 "President Clinton has a very difficult job in persuading the
American people that this is a necessary risk to take," said Fritz
Stern, professor emeritus of history and former provost of Columbia
University.

 "He has been honest in saying that it is a risk. And he has been
defending it in part by historical explanation to a public that is
increasingly unhistorical. I don't criticize him for that. But as the
past itself has shown, any effort at facile historical analogy may do
us more harm than good."

 The president began his speech by asserting that the United States
was acting "to protect thousands of innocent people in Kosovo from a
mounting military offensive," to which no expert queried had any
objection.

 Their uneasiness set in when he added that the United States needed
"to defuse a powder keg at the heart of Europe that has exploded twice
before in this century with catastrophic results."

 The feeling was compounded when Clinton said of Kosovo, "All the
 ingredients for a major war are there," and added: "Sarajevo, the
 capital of neighboring Bosnia, is where World War I began. World War
 II and the Holocaust engulfed this region."

 The historians said that there was nothing factually inaccurate in
those words but that they found their implications troubling. Clinton
seemed to be suggesting, they said, that, when left alone, the Balkans
explode. Yet, historically, it has been foreign involvement that has
escalated conflicts in this region.

 "The situations really don't seem analogous to me," remarked John
Lewis Gaddis, a historian at Yale, comparing the current conflict in
Kosovo and the two World Wars. "In both of the earlier situations, the
problems were created by involvement of great powers --
Austria-Hungary and Nazi Germany. This time it is not violence from a
great power but from a small power that fears becoming smaller. And by
taking this step we have alienated a great power -- Russia.

 "Part of the problem is that we are talking about a very limited
military response," he said. "To draw a link with the origins of two
world wars is a great oversimplification of history."

 Bernd Fischer, a professor of history at Indiana University, Fort
Wayne, said he was also troubled that in describing the recent
deterioration of the situation in Kosovo, Clinton did not mention the
formation early last year of the Kosovo Liberation Army. That is the
ethnic Albanian guerrilla group that has carried out attacks against
the forces led by Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic.

 "The president spoke only about peaceful resistance by the Kosovars,
 but some elements of Kosovo gave up the notion of peaceful
 resistance, and Slobodan Milosevic's serious acts of repression began
 in conjunction with the work of the 

[CTRL] NATO Violates UN Charter

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Subj:  NATO Violates UN Charter
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The Hindu - India
Friday, March 26, 1999


Is the NATO attack justified?


By Thomas Abraham

The attack on Serbia clearly violates the United Nations Charter, to
which the NATO members are signatories. The Charter prohibits any use
of force, except in self-defence, unless it has specially been
authorised by the Security Council.

THE North Atlantic Treaty Organisation's attack on Serbia is the
latest example of the international disorder we are going through.
These are times when international laws are flouted with impunity by
the United States and its allies. We see the violation in the
continuing bombing raids by the U.S. and Britain against Iraq, which
are not authorised by the United Nations and have no legal
justification. And we see it again in the illegal bombing of Serbia,
which violates the U.N. Charter as well as NATO's own founding treaty.
It also sets a dangerous precedent for the future. NATO was set up as
a defensive alliance to protect its members against a Soviet invasion.
But with the Soviet threat long gone, the alliance in order to find a
continuing role for itself has now taken the unprecedented step of
attacking a sovereign nation which has not threatened it in anyway.

The attack on Serbia clearly violates the U.N. Charter to which all
NATO members are signatories. The Charter prohibits any use of force,
except in self-defence, unless it has been specifically authorised by
the U.N. Security Council. NATO's bombing of Serbia is clearly not an
act of self-defence, neither has it been authorised by the Security
Council. Russia and China, both permanent Security Council members
with veto powers, have made it clear that they would not allow the
Council to authorise the Western alliance to bomb Serbia.

The U.S. and Britain, two countries most eager to use force, have
argued that the Council's most recent resolution implicitly gives the
alliance the authorisation to use force if the Serbian President, Mr.
Slobodan Milosevic, fails to meet the demands set out in the relevant
resolution. But a reading of it shows that this is not the case.
Resolution 1199, adopted on September 23, 1998, specifically states
that if Mr. Milosevic does not take the measures the Council has
urged, it would meet once again ``to consider further action and
additional measures to maintain or restore peace and stability in the
region.'' The resolution does not either explicitly or implicitly
allow NATO or anyone else to take the law into its own hands. This is
in contrast to the earlier occasions when NATO aircraft flew bombing
raids on Serb targets in Bosnia in 1995. Then, NATO was specifically
authorised to do so by the U.N., and it acted in support of the U.N.
peacekeeperson the ground in Bosnia.

Bombing Serbia clearly breaches NATO's founding treaty. NATO was
established at the beginning of the Cold War to provide collective
self- defence for Western Europe if it came under Soviet attack. If
one of its members came under attack, all the rest pledged to join in
to repel the aggressor. This was the only circumstance under which the
alliance was allowed to use force. The Treaty of Washington, which
established NATO in 1949, makes it clear that the alliance would use
force only in self-defence and in keeping with the purposes and
principles of the U.N. Article 5 of the treaty sets out the
circumstances in which NATO would resort to force: an armed attack
against one or more members in Europe or North America. If such an
attack occurred, the alliance was authorised to use armed force ``to
restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.'' Even
this use of force was seen as a temporary measure till such time the
Security Council stepped in to restore peace.

Even after the end of the Cold War, there has been no change in NATO's
mandate to allow it to take military action outside its borders except
in response to an attack. NATO's post-Cold War strategic doctrine,
which was agreed to at a summit of its leaders in Rome in 1991,
clearly states that ``the Alliance is purely defensive in purpose:
none of its weapons will ever be used except in self-defence, and it
does not consider itself to be anyone's adversary.'' The post-Cold War
strategic doctrine made it clear that NATO regarded that the only role
of its military forces was ``to assure the territorial integrity and
political independence of its member-states''. An exception to this
clearly defensive stance is the use by 

[CTRL] A warrior race . . . Serbs must draw on fierce fighting spirit that Nazis failed to crush . . .?

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Date: 3/28/99 9:50:29 AM Eastern Standard Time
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Times of London - March 26 1999

A warrior race

Serbs must draw on fierce fighting spirit that Nazis failed to crush

FROM ROGER BOYES IN BERLIN



On Serbian television yesterday they were showing black and white
films of partisan adventures - heel-clicking Germans contrasted with
rugged Yugoslav guerrillas - until the 11am news interrupted the
broadcast with a special bulletin about how to guard against nuclear
or chemical weapons. The connection was clear, the message obvious:
Serbs will have to draw on their historical reserves, on their
well-chiselled images of wartime heroism, to resist the Nato
onslaught.

The fact is that the Serbs are a fighting people and the legitimacy of
postwar Yugoslavia was built on the heroic hardiness of the partisan
war against the Germans. In part the war stories are mythical. Tito,
the communist partisan chief who became Yugoslav leader, inflated the
number of war dead to 1.7 million in order to extract higher
reparations. The partisan legend is also tainted somewhat by the
fierce fighting between Tito's forces and the nationalist Chetniks
loyal to King Peter. The Tito partisans formed the new political class
after the war and naturally their fighting skills were exaggerated.

But the Serbs were nonetheless formidable, holding down several
divisions of German soldiers. Almost from the start of Germany's
occupation of Serbia, southeastern Europe was a drain on Hitler's
army. And the Serbs paid in blood.

The German attack on Serbia in April 1941 deployed 600 bomber and
combat aircraft. Belgrade was set ablaze. More people were killed than
in all the earlier bombings of Warsaw, Coventry and Rotterdam.

When two SS men were killed, German soldiers rounded up 36 civilians,
hanged half and shot the rest. By July 1941 52 "communists and Jews"
were shot as punishment for an attempted assassination of a general.
By September 1941 General Wilhelm Keitel declared that "the execution
of 50 to 100 communists is appropriate for the taking of one German
soldier's life". That was a symptom of German panic. After the
relatively smooth occupation of Western Europe, the Germans were not
ready for the toughness of the Balkans; the war against the Soviet
Union had begun and there was no patience for the Serbian sideshow.
But railway lines were blown up and great swaths of the country fell
under the control of the Chetniks of Draza Mihajlovic and later, the
communist partisans under Tito.

The British historian, Norman Davies, comments: "The fierce
determination of the Yugoslav partisans to kill the invaders was only
exceeded by their proclivity for killing each other." German garrisons
came under siege, supply columns were ambushed. No soldier was safe
off duty. Their bodies, faces mutilated, were dumped near the gates of
barracks. The field correspondence of German soldiers shows that they
lived in terror of the Serbs.

The wartime feuding between the Chetniks and the Titoists remains one
of the fault lines in the Serb political class. Mihajlovic - who had
struck stand-off deals with Italian and German commanders - was tried
and executed by Tito after the war.

A novel by Vuk Draskovic, Deputy Prime Minister of Yugoslavia,
entitled The Knife (Noz), best captures the Serbs' fighting spirit. It
depicts the mutual wartime slaughter of different Yugoslav groups. His
hero muses: "Our people have a device which they can handle better
than anyone else in the world, and a word that they can pronounce
better than anybody else. This uncomplicated device and single word
constitutes our seal, our symbol, our historical legitimacy. . . it is
the word noz, the knife, and when we hear it our eyes fill with fire,
in those three letters our whole history is squeezed."

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[CTRL] A bomber pilot speaks out about Vietnam

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An Unacceptable Target
Told by James Robert "Cotton" Hildreth

One particular mission is as vivid in my memory now as the day it
happened. I was leading a flight of two A-1s on an armed
reconnaissance mission, but shortly after take-off we were diverted to
a target on the coast of I Corps (northern quarter of South Vietnam.)
On arriving in the target area, we contacted the FAC (forward air
controller) who pointed out the target. It was a huge village of three
or four hundred houses, probably twelve to fifteen hundred people. It
was between the main north-south highway and the ocean, a pretty,
clean village. I asked the FAC why the village was a target.

The FAC said, "That is a Vietcong village."

I said, "How do you know its a Vietcong village?"

He said, "Well we saw three Vietcong run in there."

Across the road from the village was a rice paddy.

He said, "We saw them run out of the rice paddy when we flew over, and
they ran into the village."

I said, "And you want us to wipe out this whole village to get three
Vietcong?" How do you know they were Vietcong? Were they armed?"

He said, "They had on black pajamas."

All of the farmers working in the fields had on black pajamas. That
was their dress. And they carried tools like rakes and hoes.

He said, "They were armed."

I said, "How do you know they weren't carrying rakes and hoes?"

He said, "Don't argue with me. I've got the provincial governor in the
back seat, and he says that is a Vietcong village."

I said, "Well, I'll go down and look around and see if I can draw any
fire."

So we went down and flew over real low and slow. There were children
in the courtyard, smiling and waving at us. This village had obviously
been there for years, and it had never been touched. I pulled back up;
and I said, "Okay, what are your instructions?"

He said, "The wind is blowing off-shore; so put your napalm down on
that first row of houses, and the wind will carry the fire across the
entire village."

So I said, ""Fine."

I pulled around and told my wingman to come in from one side and I
would attack from the other. We would start our attack from opposite
corners. I was coming in toward the corner hut. I looked up at the
other end, and he had moved over the road and dropped his napalm on
the road. As I approached my release point, a woman with a tiny baby
strapped on her back, holding the hand of a small child three or four
years old, came running from the hut. I pulled my aircraft over and
dropped the napalm in a ditch beside the highway.

The FAC screamed and raised holy hell because he had this governor in
the aircraft with him. He said, "You know I'm going to report you for
this!"

I said, "You don't have to. I'll be on the ground before you are, and
I'll report myself."

When we landed, my wingman walked over to my aircraft and said, "Sir,
I have three small grandchildren, and I could never have faced them
again if I had followed those orders." He said he didn't want to fly
any more combat missions. Later, I had him transferred to a unit with
an airborne command and control mission.

I went into Squadron Operations and called the Command Center at
Seventh air Force and talked to the director, a brigadier general I
had served with several years before. I told him what happened.

He said, "Damn, Cotton, don't you know what's going on? That village
didn't pay their taxes. That lieutenant colonel, a provincial
commander, is teaching them a lesson."

On returning from an interdiction mission several days later, we flew
over the target area. The village had been totally destroyed. Nothing
but a large, black, burned area remained. I'm sure when the FAC got a
fast-mover (high-performance jet) on the target and destroyed the
village the report read: Target 100 percent destroyed, body-count 1200
KBA (killed by air) confirmed.

I'm a grandfather now, and I can't watch my grandchildren at play or
carry them in my arms without thinking of that village in Vietnam.

From "Salute to Veterans," Mary Lewis Deans, Editor (Flatrock Books,
15 Goose Creek, Rocky Mount, North Carolina 27804), pp. 63-71

Salute to Veterans 1996: Oral histories from veterans and their
relatives, gathered by the Nash County Cultural Center's Oral History
Project


   Ralph McGehee, former CIA analyst in Vietnam:
  http://come.to/CIABASE

"Essentially the CIA stopped all accurate info on Vietnam while
conducting a propaganda campaign to keep us in this war that was
unwinnable. If we are to avoid further "Vietnams"
we need a good, reliable, trustworthy intelligence service."

"In my experience, the CIA pulled the United States into the Vietnam
War and kept it there with 

[CTRL] Tax Protest Day

1999-04-01 Thread Edward Britton

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Reminder:  Tax Protest Day
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April 15th is coming up soon -- that time of year when Libertarians
across the country protest the Income Tax and the IRS and reach
out to taxpayers to let them know _it doesn't have to be this way_.

Visit the LP's Tax Protest Day page at:

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You'll find:

  * Information on how to make your tax day protest a success.
  * Reports of past tax protest day activities.
  * How to order "million dollar bill" leaflets or the
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Join an already-planned tax protest -- or set up your own!

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[CTRL] Three US Soldiers Missing in Macedonia

1999-04-01 Thread Fremin



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Three Soldiers Missing in Macedonia



By Laura Myers

Associated Press Writer

Wednesday, March 31, 1999;  9:02 p.m. EST




WASHINGTON (AP) -- Three U.S. Army soldiers were missing in Macedonia near the Yugoslav border Wednesday night after possibly being captured by members of the Serb military or police while on a reconnaissance mission, the Pentagon and NATO officials said. 
An immediate search and rescue mission was launched, involving ground and helicopter teams from several NATO countries and the Allied Rapid Reaction Corps based in the Macedonian capital of Skopje, U.S. officials said. Searchers included 80 to 90 soldiers on U.S. Blackhawk and British helicopters. 
The Army team had been on a daytime reconnaissance mission in the Kumanovo area of Macedonia near the southern Yugoslavia border when they reported ``they received small arms fire and said they were surrounded,'' according to NATO. 
``No more was heard from the patrol,'' a NATO statement said. 
NATO officials didn't say who had the soldiers surrounded, but a Pentagon spokesman said it was presumed to be Serb Army, paramilitary units or perhaps special police forces. 
``We believe they have possibly been abducted,'' said Col. Richard Bridges, a Pentagon spokesman. ``Right now there's a search and rescue effort on.'' 
The missing team was one of several Army units guarding the Yugoslav-Macedonia border during the ongoing NATO airstrikes against the Serb military in Yugoslavia. 
Several of the teams had been out on a reconnaissance mission Wednesday afternoon together, but had split up to engage in some rough terrain training, the Pentagon said. 
The urgent radio cries for help came between 2:30 p.m. and 3 p.m. Macedonia time (7:30 a.m. to 8 a.m. EST), the Pentagon said. When the other reconnaissance teams from the Army's 1st Infantry Division failed to find their colleagues, they radioed their commanders for help, according to the Pentagon. 
At the White House, National Security Adviser Sandy Berger advised President Clinton of the missing soldiers ``and will keep him informed as the information becomes available,'' said NSC spokesman David Leavy. 
``We're still determined to push forward on our sustained air campaign and the operation will continue'' against military targets in Yugoslavia, Leavy said. 
Leavy declined to provide further details ``that could potentially jeopardize the safety or well being of these guys.'' 
NATO forces, including ground and helicopter teams, and Macedonian police immediately launched an immediate search for the missing team, U.S. officials said. 
The Army reconnaissance team was a part of the former U.N. peacekeeping operation in Macedonia called ``Able Sentry,'' which ended in February, Bridges said. 
The force of about 1,200 troops included about 350 Americans, who remained in the region following the March 24 start of NATO airstrikes in Yugoslavia against Serb military targets. 
Clinton has counseled from the beginning of the airstrikes against Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic that Americans would be put at risk during NATO operations. 
Last Saturday, an F-117a stealth fighter went down near Belgrade, the Yugoslav capital, after it was apparently hit with a Serb anti-aircraft missile. It was the first time the radar-evading aircraft had gone down in combat. 
The American pilot was rescued six hours later. 
 
 
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[CTRL] Questions mount on accuracy of Kosovo atrocity reports

1999-04-01 Thread Kris Millegan

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Questions mount on accuracy of Kosovo atrocity reports

WASHINGTON, March 31 (AFP) - Questions multiplied Wednesday over the
accuracy of official accounts of alleged Serb atrocities in Kosovo as
NATO and its member states continued publicly to repeat unconfirmed
stories, some later debunked, of horrific war crimes.
No one disputes that tens of thousands of ethnic Albanians have fled
Kosovo in the past week and have reported with striking consistency that
Serb forces are engaged in a widespread ethnic cleansing campaign in the
province.

But information being relayed to journalists by alliance officials on
details of the nature and scope of Belgrade's policy there has been
confused, contradictory and sometimes plain wrong.

With few western reporters and no diplomats or aid workers on the ground
in Kosovo to verify their validity, reports coming from NATO and US
officials appear often as little more than regurgitation of unconfirmed
information from the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA).

Those officials have upped their rhetoric against the Serbs almost
daily, comparing Kosovo on Tuesday to Cambodia during the brutal Khmer
Rouge regime and on Wednesday terming the situation there "Orwellian."

But the United Nations, responding to a word that gained currency this
week in Washington to describe the situation in Kosovo, said Wednesday
it did not have enough firm evidence to term the events in the province
a "genocide."

NATO officials seem to be trying to fuel the evidentiary fires and twice
this week reported that prominent ethnic Albanians leaders had been
killed or wounded and gone into hiding.

However on Wednesday, one of the two, moderate Ibrahim Rugova, who had
supposedly gone into hiding after Serbs burned down his house, spoke to
reporters at his undamaged home in Pristina, dismissing those concerns
and calling for an end to the NATO bombing campaign.

Shortly thereafter, a US diplomat in Brussels rejected NATO commander
Wesley Clark's assertion earlier this week that Fehmi Agani, Rugova's
top adviser, had been killed.

US State Department spokesman James Rubin admitted that "reports" of
Serb atrocities relayed to the department from KLA commander Hashim
Thaci and then passed on to the press here were not necessarily "facts."

"Mr Thaci has been quite clear with us that he is hearing reports,"
Rubin told reporters. "He's not saying that these things are facts."

Rubin's comments followed his announcement that Thaci had told him
earlier in the day that Serb forces were launching artillery at 50,000
to 75,000 Kosovar civilians in the district of Malisevo.

"They are being shelled -- these are civilians -- by artillery and
tanks, entire villages are empty and they are being burned," Rubin said,
repeating Thaci's account but insisting Washington believed the "basic
information about the situation in Malisevo is accurate."

Thaci, a brash, young guerrilla commander, has not always proven a
reliable source. On Tuesday, he told German television that about
100,000 Kosovars had been rounded up in the municipal stadium in
Pristina.

On Wednesday, an AFP reporter in Pristina found the stadium to be
deserted and showing no signs of recent occupation.

While Rubin tersely noted that he had not repeated Thaci's stadium
report, he said later that Washington was relying on aid agency reports
that said "people have been herded into sports stadiums in Pristina for
detention."

"I think that there should be no doubt in anybody's mind that there are
terrible, terrible things going on in Kosovo, with men being executed,
women being raped, and hundreds of thousands of people being forcibly
removed from their homes," he added.

He listed a lengthy series of incidents Washington believed to be
credible but nearly all the information was prefaced with the word
"reportedly" and it appeared as though independent US confirmation about
rapes and executions did not exist.

"US government information is that prior to forced expulsions, Serbs
have looted the homes and businesses of ethnic Albanians in at least 20
towns and villages," he said when asked what Washington could confirm
independently.


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[CTRL] Mind Control Victim at University of Virginia / What They Did

1999-04-01 Thread Kris Millegan

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Om
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A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:510593"Mind Control Victim at
University of Virginia/A
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Subject: Mind Control Victim at University of Virginia
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, Mar 28, 1999 8:41 AM
Message-id: 7dlm40$82u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]

I have discovered a very interesting site on the web purporting to be from
another mind control victim which deals with the moral accountability of
government in the light of various mind control abuses which have occurred.
Implicit in that author's account is the feeling that guilt lies with a
controlling power elite which has made a joke out of the Constitutional Bill
of Rights (not worth the paper it is written on under these circumstances,
etc.). It has very harsh overtones.  I am unable to judge whether or not it
is overly pessimistic.  But it is certainly eloquently written.  The
guerillas waging this war hide silently under the cover of their little
fiefdoms, as that author describes.  Behind the facades of buildings and
legitimate fronts.  Signals are difficult to trace without expensive
engineering expertise.  From my point of view, government is minimally guilty
of not dealing successfully with the offenders, whomever they may be (hidden
enemies of state, terrorist lobby, criminals, etc.).  Maximally, conclusions
could be more sinister, more along the lines of that author's scenario.  It
effectively describes the kind of stonewalling which is occurring.

The address of this web site is:
http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~alb/ugly/ugly.html

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Many embeds and links . . .for the whole story . . .
Om
K
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What They Did


This page contains some descriptions of my harassment and torture right
here in the USA. The original "ugly story" is in poem format, since at
the time it was easier for me to express what had happened in that form.
More details, in prose, are given in the 3/14/96 update. The letter
which announced my hunger strike also has details in prose.

By the way, to state the obvious, this page is here because I was
tortured and will not be silent about it. I certainly did not choose to
have these things done to me. The events did awaken me to the truly
perilous state of freedom here in the US. I hope you do not let what has
happened color your opinions of my other works, but unfortunately it did
all happen and I will not pretend it did not.

If you do not believe this kind of thing can happen here, I recommend
the book Challenging the Secret Government by Kathryn Olmsted
(University of North Carolina Press). See this page for the unvarnished
truth about some of the history, politics, and technology involved in
this type of harassment. See also my report on the State of the Union,
along with some personal notes about this report.



My public testimony to the National Bioethics Advisory Committee (NBAC),
Human Subjects Subcommittee, Nov. 23, 1997.




Excuses and Manipulations in Mind Control



Feedback Disparity in Repressive Control Systems




Updates

•This is the original poem I posted when I decided to go public with the
story of my torture, called the ugly story of what "they" did. After
almost a year of the harassment I had realized that nothing was going to
happen if I kept it quiet, and that I might easily ``disappear'' without
people knowing about what had happened.
•An update as of 1/30/96.
•An update as of 3/14/96. More details, in prose.
•An update as of 9/3/96.
•My Trip to the Hospital for a Brain Scan (long).
A private citizen can now buy an implantable, satellite-trackable
microchip, undetectable by X-rays. The ``technology that did not exist''
is now on the open market.
•To protest my torture and official non-response I went on a hunger
strike starting Nov. 8, 1996. I restricted my food intake to only
include water, unsweetened teas, and some vitamin tablets. This is a
letter I mailed to various lawmakers, human rights groups, and news
organizations. After 17 days, on Nov. 25, 1996, I ended the hunger
strike. It served to draw a considerable amount of attention to the
types of crimes I have been a victim of.
•An update as of 5/08/97. A little bit of good news: I have finished my
dissertation and graduated with my Ph.D. in computer science.
•An update as of 11/30/97. U.S. show trials.






Some links to related sites:
•A New Statesman article, ``Somebody's Listening,'' on the NSA's global
electronic eavesdropping. It includes some discussion of domestic spying
and has many good additional links.
•The Parascope site now has online, from Jan. 16, 1999, a talk by
journalist and author Gary Webb. Among other 

[CTRL] Kosovo propaganda? / Hard-liners recruit young Russians to aid the Serb cause +more

1999-04-01 Thread Kris Millegan

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A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:510563"Kosovo propaganda/A
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Subject: Kosovo propaganda
From: deepshooter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, Mar 28, 1999 6:27 AM
Message-id: 7dle8a$25n$[EMAIL PROTECTED]

  We are being inundated with cruel propaganda in shamful attempt to justify
bombing Yugoslavia.  Jamie Shea, NATO spokesman, spent his entire time at the
briefing trying to justify the mindless killing of Serbs with missiles hurled
into Yugoslavia from hundreds of miles away.  In doing so he repeatedly used
standard propaganda terms such as "genocide," "ethnic cleansing,"
"atrocities," "paramilitary gangs," and other highly charged phrases designed
to evoke emotional responses.  The only facts offered to support such
allegations are the pictures of burning houses and the appearance of refugees
in neighboring countries. CNN was reduced to reporting such monstrous
"atrocities" as seizing license plates from fleeing Albanians to prevent
their return.

  Reports from other sources paint a different image.  Neutral observers
located in Kosovo report stepped up fighting between the rebels and
Yugoslavian troops but no evidence of atrocities.  French Defence Minister
Alain Richard blamed fresh fighting in Kosovo on ethnic Albanian guerrillas.
That statement prompted a visit to Paris by General Wesley Clark to
contradict such information.  It is becoming obvious that the "humanitarian
crisis" in Kosovo has been manufactured by U.S. propagandists.

  U.S. officials criticize Yugoslavia for driving civilians out of Kosovo.
Somebody should point out that the area is the focus of a major military
action. Since U.S. leaders have announced that they could send ground troops
into Kosovo, they shouldn't be surprised that the Yugoslavians are trying to
establish defenses, and that civilians would try get out of the country.

  That the U.S. has to resort to cruel propaganda is a sign of the weakness
of its position on the Kosovo conflict.  Under the Clinton administration,
the United States has become the leading terrorist bully in the world.



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Subject: Re: Kosovo propaganda
From: "octapi" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, Mar 28, 1999 7:23 AM
Message-id: 7dlfj7$bo9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]

I travel overseas for work.  I've learned from several personal experiences
over the last 15 years not to trust the national U.S. media.  This coupled
with the fact that the Clintons are experts at manipulating the media for
their own ends, has made me very leery of this whole adventure.

Over the last year, most foreign papers have been continually editorializing
against America's reckless behavior in the world.  Unfortunately, American's
are woefully ignorant of the world around them.  The average person in this
country has very little perspective outside of what the government feeds
them through the national media.  This allows the government to basically do
anything it wants by simply by demonizing someone on the 6 o'clock news.  As
Newt Gingrich can tell you, the Clintons are experts at manipulating the
media to demonize their enemies.

While we are sitting here in our comfortable homes, with the stock market at
record levels, the Clintons are using our military to kill women and
children in the streets of Serbia, just as the Clintons used our military to
kill innocent civilians in the Sudan last year.

Yes indeed.  You are correct.  Clinton is a terrorist.  His actions are
going to result in terrible consequences for America and the world.


deepshooter wrote in message 7dle8a$25n$[EMAIL PROTECTED]..
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Question: Why are we butting in to everybody else's business? Iraq I can
understand, there never was a peace treaty signed so technically the
Gulf War never ended. But then we go off bombing such amorphous threats
as Osama bin Laden's *terrorist organization* and supposedly genocidal
Serbian troops.

Yes indeed.  You are correct.  Clinton is a terrorist.  His actions are
going to result in terrible consequences for America and the world.

The Russians so far have shown remarkable restraint. If our next target
is Taiwan, will the Chinese be so lenient? I've already had to die in
two wars this century, I really don't want the third time to be the
charm...
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Subject: Re: Kosovo propaganda
From: "octapi" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, Mar 28, 1999 12:54 PM
Message-id: 7dm2vv$8ta$[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Yes, the Russians have shown restraint.  How long will that last?  My
understanding is that the average Russian is pissed as hell over what we are
doing.  As the Russian economy continues to disintegrate, Yelstin may figure
out that a war in Europe could be just what he needs to take the people's
minds off of their economic woes.  Tass has reported that Russia has moved
50 tactical nuclear weapons into position. 

[CTRL] Major Security Flaw Present in IE5 - Fix

1999-04-01 Thread Don Allen
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ref -
http://www.sysopt.com/ie5flaw.html

Major Security Flaw Present In IE5

By default, IE5 gives any web site
access to your Windows clipboard data.

Article Date: March 27, 1999


By:
Scott Wainner 



(Before you seasoned IE users dismiss this, it is NOT the same as the IE4 DHTML security flaw. Click here to find out why.) 

Introduction 
So, you're working on a couple of email messages to some friends, copying text here, pasting text there, using CTRL-C or Edit - Copy. One of the letters you are working on is to your friend Jim - you're writing Jim to tell him that after 30 years of research, you finally discovered how to make cold fusion work! Finally, free energy for the entire world!, you write. Just as soon as you announce your discovery at next week's physics convention, you'll be a billionaire. You're tired of writing though, so you decide to take a break and browse around on the 'net. You just downloaded IE5, and you're surfing around the web, minding your own business, perhaps taking a look at a few sites that you visit on a daily basis, and a few that you've never been to before. 

Several days later, you're watching NBC news, and see a story about a guy who just discovered how to make cold fusion work! And guess what, they used your formula! How did that guy get it?! Did he break into your home and steal it? No, while you were surfing around the 'net using IE5, one of the sites you visited decided to take advantage of a security flaw in IE5, and log the contents of your Windows clipboard to their server! 

The Problem 

Yes, you read correctly. IE5 has a security flaw that allows web servers to log the contents of your Windows clipboard cache to their server, without your knowledge or consent. Actually, the feature of allowing a site to request your clipboard data isn't the flaw. The flaw is that web sites are allowed to do it without any notification or consent needed using IE5's default security level settings. Whenever you copy text, using the edit - copy feature of just about every windows application, or hit CTRL-C to copy text, that text gets placed into the windows clipboard. You can then paste that text to Windows notepad, an email message, or wherever you feel like it. However, thanks to Microsoft IE5's default security setting, any web site using a snippit of Java/Active X code can read any and all of the text you have on your Windows clipboard. 

In order to give you a real world example of just how this really works, using IE5, go ahead and copy some text from another application (not from this Window, it does not work if you copy text from the IE5 window, unless you reload the page after doing so). Be sure there isn't anything in your clipboard cache that you don't want us to see - because of the way this demonstration works, your clipboard data is logged by our web server as a regular page request (in our server logs) - I can't control that. Then, click on this link to test out the IE5 clipboard flaw. If you are not currently using IE5 to view this page, you needn't bother clicking on the link, because it won't work (but the flaw can be reproduced with IE4). NOTE! -- if you want to try the link more than once, you may need to reload this page each time! 

If you are using IE5, and you were able to click on that link, whatever was in your clipboard cache should have been displayed in a new window. In a real world situation, however, if I wanted to log the contents of your clipboard to my server, I would disguise the code so well that you would never even know about it, and probably wouldn't even require you to click on a single link. While I would rather expose the flaw and tell you how to prevent the problem from occuring, there are undoubtedly many crooks on the web who already know about this caveat, and are exploiting it like crazy. 
Other sites which have acknowledged the security flaw: 

··Listen to our Audio Interview at Byte.com 
··The Register (UK) - IE 5 security hole lets snoopers scoop your clipboard 
··Maximum PC - IE5 Has Clipboard Security Hole 

If you ask Microsoft, they will tell you that it isn't a bug. Rather, they might use the term user configurable security issue. However, when you download IE5, it is configured by default to allow any web server to view the contents of your clipboard without your knowledge or consent. 
Microsoft added an Active X control feature to IE5 called The Microsoft Dynamic HTML Editing Component, which allows web designers to add WYSIWYG editing capability to their sites. This feature has two versions: DHTML Edit Control for IE5, and DHTML Edit Control Safe for Scripting for IE5. When a web designer uses code that applies to the first version, you will be warned if an HTML page contains script that would try to access your clipboard. However, it's simple to create a code snippit that uses the second version, which by default, you will not be warned about. 

It should be noted that this flaw can be duplicated 

[CTRL] Military strategists admit failure in unwinnable Kosovo air war

1999-04-01 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/March1999/033199/cruisemissiles033199.htm
A HREF="http://www.capitolhillblue.com/March1999/033199/cruisemissiles033199.
htm"Military strategists admit Kosovo air war is no /A
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Military strategists admit failure in "unwinnable" Kosovo air war

By DOUG THOMPSON

As military strategists concede the war in Kosovo may be unwinnable, the
Pentagon is running low on its supply of cruise missiles.

Retired Gen. Colin Powell joined the chorus of those who said the war
can't be won in the air, telling a audience at Virginia Tech Tuesday the
U.S. and NATO will have to use ground troops if they want to win.

And the Pentagon is reluctantly admitting that things haven't gone as
expected.

"I think right now, it is difficult to say that we have prevented one
act of brutality at this stage," Defense Department spokesman Kenneth
Bacon told reporters Tuesday.

In fact, military planners say that after six days of strikes, the
bombing has, at best, inflicted only "minimal damage" on Yugoslavian
military sites.

And the US is running out of its primary weapon -- cruise missiles.

Before the latest NATO strikes over Kosovo and Serbia, the Air Force was
down to 150 cruise missiles carrying conventional warheads. At least 30
have been launched since then. The Navy has more than 2,000 but is using
them up at a faster rate. No cruise missile production line is in
operation.

``The stocks of air-launched cruise missiles are limited, and it's
something we're addressing,'' Bacon said Tuesday.

The dwindling supply is ``something we do worry about,'' he said. ``We
have a supply now but it won't last forever. But we certainly have
enough to continue striking important targets.''

Even more worrisome than the missile shortage, however, is the growing
realization that after a week of massive bombing raids, NATO and US
forces are no closer to achieving their goal of stopping the "ethnic
cleansing."The atrocities have increased and military planners are now
admitting the war may be based on an "unwinnable" strategy.

"The US and NATO entered this conflict without a sound strategy and now
they're paying for it," says retired Air Force General Matthew Higgins.
"When you fight a war for political reasons, without a sound military
plan, you end up with a conflict you can't win."

At the Pentagon, military strategists admit privately they were pushed
into the Kosovo campaign by a President eager to prove his manhood and
divert attention away from the many scandals that have plagued his
administration.

"This is President Clinton's war," one high ranking officer says, "and
we all know how much military experience the President has."

The Kosovo conflict has severely strained already fragile relationships
between Clinton and the military command structure. Senior Pentagon
officials are constantly reminding their junior officers to control
their distrust and avoid open derision of the President.

"We look like a bunch of goddamned idiots because we let an idiot push
us into this thing," one high ranking officer said bitterly Tuesday
night.

Gen. Higgins agreed.

"This is a classic screwup," he said. "There's no other way to put it.
The cruise missile situation is just one indication of how bad this
whole mess is."

The Air Force announced Tuesday that the Office of Management and Budget
was permitting it to convert 92 nuclear-tipped cruise missiles into
conventional air-launched cruise missiles, or CALCMs. The $51 million
program will require congressional approval. The last such
nuclear-to-conventional conversions rolled off the line in 1993 and the
last time a new air-launched cruise missile was delivered was 1986. The
prime contractor was Boeing Co.

The Navy, meanwhile, is seeking a $113 million emergency appropriation
to convert 324 Tomahawk cruise missiles to the latest model with
upgraded guidance and a conventional blast warhead. Raytheon Co. closed
its Tucson, Ariz., production line in January after delivering the last
of the new Tomahawks to the Navy.

``We continue to manage the inventory very closely and we will meet all
of our operational requirements,'' said Navy Lt. Meghan Mariman.

In an era in which aversion to casualties tops the list of military
priorities, cruise missiles have increasingly become Pentagon planners'
preferred weapon. But Pentagon purchasing has lagged behind use of the
weapons.

The Pentagon was developing a successor to the conventional air-launched
cruise missile, but canceled it in December 1994 due to spiraling costs.

Air power analysts have been warning Pentagon planners for at least a
decade to buy more conventional cruise missiles for use in limited
conflicts in which presidents would want to project power without
risking losing a pilot, said David Ochmanek, a Rand Corp. analyst.

``The good news is, as analysts, we've been vindicated on our
position,'' Ochmanek said. ``The bad news is we didn't convince
anybody.''

A single Air Force B-52, 

Re: [CTRL] the meaning of the word socialist

1999-04-01 Thread Howard R. Davis III

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   I did not ask for you to expound on your "Games Hypothesis". I asked
you for your definition of the word "socialism" since you have disagreed
with that given the word by others (though you did not specify what
their definition was or how it differs from yours). If you can't do so,
or do not wish to, please just say so.

Howard Davis


Ric Carter wrote:

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 From: Howard R. Davis III [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 So what IS your definition of "socialism"? There does not seem to be
  a clear definition in the web site mentioned and there is none that I
  can find in the following two messages.

 As with all human Games, religious/political/economic/artistic belief-
 systems, 'socialism' means whatever the speaker WISHES it to mean.  All
 such Games are inaugurated and manipulated by Game Masters, who create
 and promulgate Game Rules that define the realm and content of Play in
 that Game.  [And Games tend to fragment into competing and mutually-
 exclusive sub-Games, but that's another point...]  For instance:

   All men are created equal. [Game Rule of Jeffersonian Democracy]
   All men and women are equal. [Game Rule of Liberal Democracy]
   All entities are equal. [Buddhist, Radical Environmentalist rule]

 So, every sub-Game in Political/Economic arenas will establish one or
 more Rules defining Socialism for the purpose of Play [activity and
 discourse] within that sub-Game.  That no group of Game factions can
 agree on their definitions is irrelevant; Stalinists, Maoists, Nazis,
 Libertarians, LaRouchers, Militiamen are all Playing separate Games,
 with only minimal RealWorld connexion - usually as their Players are
 merrily slaughtering each other.  That's what humans do...

 I'll expound more on my Games Hypothesis in future posts.  Ciao --Ric

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[CTRL] Kosovo: 'The war is about the mines'

1999-04-01 Thread Kris Millegan

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A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:511230"Kosovo: 'The war is about the
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Subject: Kosovo: 'The war is about the mines'
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Kosovo: 'The war is about the mines'
By Sara Flounders
Wars are at root about economics, and the rapidly expanding war in Kosovo is
no different. So why have millions of dollars in high-tech weapons suddenly
become available to the so-called Kosovo Liberation Army by way of the U.S.
and Germany?

A July 11 report by New York Times Balkans bureau chief Chris Hedges
describes the KLA’s new arsenal—the latest anti-tank rocket-propelled
grenades and anti-aircraft weapons. These weapons are shifting the balance
of power toward the KLA, which is funded fully by outside sources, mostly
from the U.S. and Germany.

The KLA is "fed by recruits, money and arms from outside Serbia," Hedges
confirms.

It has an "inexhaustible supply line," he reports.

"Rebel soldiers, in full uniform with the red and black patch of the Kosovo
Liberation Army, pull thick wads of German marks from their pockets. There
are also signs that the arrival of dozens of former professional soldiers as
well as some mercenaries are turning the ragtag band into a viable military
force of several thousand fighters."

In fact, the KLA is primarily a mercenary army funded by the kind of shadowy
sources that have long been associated with U.S. and German intelligence
services. It is a contra army.

Kosovo is often portrayed in the media as an isolated mountainous region
that’s poor and without resources. It might seem, from these accounts, to be
an area of interest only to those who live there.

The New York Times, for example, has carried dozens of such articles by
Chris Hedges in the last six months. Only once, on July 8, did Hedges write
about the real wealth of Kosovo—the Stari Trg mining complex. It was a
tip-off that something more was at stake in this war.

Hedges’ visit to the Stari Trg mining complex is an eye opener. He describes
the glittering veins of lead, zinc, cadmium, gold and silver in Stari Trg.

According to Hedges, "The sprawling state-owned Trepca mining complex, the
most valuable piece of real estate in the Balkans, is worth at least $5
billion."

According to the mine’s director, Novak Bjelic, "The war in Kosovo is about
the mines, nothing else. This is Serbia’s Kuwait—the heart of Kosovo. ... In
addition to all this, Kosovo has 17 billion tons of coal reserves."

The whole world knows and observed firsthand in the war against Iraq to what
horrendous extent the Pentagon was willing to go in order to guarantee
control of the oil wealth of Kuwait.

But the enormous mineral wealth of Kosovo is never publicly discussed by
U.S. United Nations Ambassador Richard Holbrooke, President Bill Clinton or
the Pentagon generals. They speak only of "self-determination" of the
Albanian population of Kosovo. Of course, they never mention what
U.S.-imposed "self-determination" means. It means colonization under the
guise of "liberation," like what the U.S. did to Puerto Rico, Cuba and the
Philippines a hundred years ago.

An Internet search for reports on the mines of Kosovo—the Trepca mining
complex or Stari Trg—turned up only the one article by Hedges and a small
piece in the June 22 Wall Street Journal. All other mentions are in
metallurgical journals.

How could this vital fact be omitted from all discussion of what is at stake
in Kosovo? It is comparable to describing Kuwait and the oil-rich Gulf
states as barren deserts.

The wealth of Kosovo is greater than the rich veins of ore in the mines.
Hedges describes the mining complex: "The Stari Trg mine, with its
warehouses, is ringed with smelting plants, 17 metal treatment sites,
freight yards, railroad lines, a power plant and the country’s largest
battery plant."

The labor power of millions of workers throughout socialist Yugoslavia built
this mining complex into the powerhouse it is today. It was their wealth
that was invested in developing the complex. It belongs not just to those
who live in Kosovo, but to the workers of all Yugoslavia.

The Yugoslav web site www.yugo slavia.com describes Trepca as the "richest
lead and zinc mines in Europe."

Lignite deposits in the Kosovo mines are, according to experts, sufficient
for the next 13 centuries. The capacity of the lead and zinc refineries
ranks third in the world.

Miners work round the clock, day and night, in six-hour shifts.

According to the mine director, "In the last three years we have mined
2,538,124 tons of lead and zinc crude ore and produced 286,502 tons of lead
and zinc and 139,789 tons of pure lead, zinc, cadmium, silver and gold."

Although the average person watching the news in the evening has never heard
of Stari Trg, it has been a prize changing hands for two thousand years.

The wealth 

[CTRL] Pilot's and plane crashes, forward from Colleen

1999-04-01 Thread Teo One Thousand

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Forwarded from Colleen for your consideration.
Teo1000


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 With regard to certain plain crashes over the years, and in particular
 the young pilot who just took off, and crashedhis planes into the
 mountains; even Blue Angels in shows somehow losing control and crashing
 like lemmings one after another some years back

 It was reported that inthe 4th Centuy, Sun Tzu who wrote the Art of War,
 stated the following:  "the one who first knows the measures of far and
 near travel wins...".

 During the Persian Gulf War there were pilots who had to remain awake
 around the clock...equipment had to be moved into the Gulf and the air
 bridge according to material written by Russel Reiter, PhD and Jo
 Robinson, it was stated:

 "pilots suffered dangerous cobination of stress, jet lag, long hours,
 night work, and insufficient sleep..." so a drug called temazpam
 (Restoril) ws approved for use by the Air Forceit was added that
 "with benzodizepines, you are basically intoxicatedmore than just
 being a little sleepy".  Pilots were also grounded for 12 hours after
 taking this drug.  Melatonin, was to be investigated; remember, John
 Glen on his last trip to outer space, was to use this - but experiment
 cancelled at last moment for unexplained reason.

 Now, my medical manual, which I often use to be sure any medication
 taken in this house is safe, stated:

 "TEMAZEPAM:  antianxiety drug (Benzodiazepines)General Description:
 A mild sedative-hypnotic, temazepam is prescribed for the short term
 treatment of INSOMNIA.  See Benzodiazepeines for information of side
 effects and possible drug interactions

 SPECIAL INFORMATION:  Do not use this drug unless you can allow yourself
 seven or eight hours of sleep every night for the durtion of the
 treatment.if you dont give the medication time to wer off, you may
 exprience TEMPORARY AMENSIA, perhaps lasting several hours".

 Now if we go further into the use of thisantianxiety drug
 Benzodiazepines, brings us to something rather horrifying - and remember
 this was and may be still being given to our pilots and servicement
 suffering from the "jet lag"]
 SIDE EFFECTS:  Not serious - clumsiness or unsteadiness, lethargy, dry
 mouth, nausea, ...tell your doctor if these symptoms persist or become
 bothersome

 SERIOUS SIDE EFFECTS:

 Drowsiness, dizziness, blurred vision, persistent or severe headache,
 allergic reaction - although rare, confusion, depression, changes in
 behavior (outburst or anger, difficulty concentrating; hallucination;
 uncontrolled movement of body or eyes; muscle weakness, chlills, fever
 or sore throat; rarely, jaundice, low blood pressure, anemia, low
 platelet counttell your doctorabout these symptoms right away".
 This is from TIME LIFE Medical Advisor.

 Now further, I do not know if Timothy McVeigh of some of these guys at
 the Gulf used this stuffor why they would refuse the Anthrax
 innoculations, but let us go further on the use of the above - and this
 will take some space:

 Benzodiazepines can impair your alertness, judgment and
 coordination;avoid driving and performing hazrdous acivities until
 ouexperience how the drug affects you.

 Benzodiazepines can cause physical and psychological dependence,
 someimes after only one or two weeeks, bu usually after prolonged
 usepeopple with history of drug or alcohol abuse are at a greater
 risk of psychological dependence on benzodia`epines.never combine
 alcohol with benzodazepines; the combination can cause dangerous central
 nervous system and respiratory depression;

 do not abruptly stop taking these drugs; sudden cessation can provoke
 withdrawal sumptoms incuidng seizures, irritability, insomnia,
 confusion, mental depression, hypersensitivity to pain, noise or light;
 feelings  of suspicion and distrust; slowly reduce the dosage under your
 doctors guidance;

 tolerance may increase with prolonged use; as your body adjusts to
 ...etc. etc. etc..

 Now is some instances where civilians used this drug, on jet
 trips.they would wake up in strange hotel rooms, and not know how
 they got there.this was the amensia.

 Think of all the plane crashes over the years and consider the use of
 this deadly drug, and why John Glenn was to test Melatonin on the space
 flight.

 Gulf War Syndrome:  well this stuff all interactsand I will say
 this, in my day I  dated quite a few pilots and we spent more 

[CTRL] April First

1999-04-01 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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From wsws.org

WSWS : News  Analysis : Europe : The Balkan Crisis

Why did events in Kosovo take the Clinton Administration by surprise?

By Martin McLaughlin
1 April 1999

Clinton administration officials have admitted in recent days that they
gravely miscalculated the likely consequences of launching air strikes
against Serbia. They claimed to have been "taken by surprise" by the
intensified bloodletting and ethnic cleansing in Kosovo, which has resulted
in tens of thousands of ethnic Albanians being driven out of their homes
and forced into refugee camps in Albania and Macedonia.

If one assumes for the sake of argument that these claims are true, it
demonstrates the blindness and stupidity which guide the formulation of
American foreign policy. Blindness, because there were many forecasts of
the disaster that would ensue in Kosovo in the event of NATO bombing, even
in the pages of the American press. Stupidity, because even a rudimentary
knowledge of the history of the region would suggest that dropping bombs on
Serbia is a sure way to incite nationalism and provoke more violence.

Even more extraordinary is the conclusion which administration spokesmen
seek to draw from this admission. Having conceded that their decision to
launch the bombing of Serbia was based at least in part on an enormous
miscalculation, the White House and State Department declare that the
remedy is even more bombing! But why should the latest argument for heavier
bombing be accepted, when it comes from those who failed to foresee the
obvious consequences of the first week of air strikes?

What is behind the manifest incapacity of American foreign policy
makers--not only in the White House and State Department, but in Congress
and in the elite circles in Washington where such issues are debated? This
is an important question, for we are dealing with ignorance not merely as
the affliction of various individuals in government, but with a definite
socio-political phenomenon. In the final analysis, the political dementia
that seems to prevail in Washington arises from the nature of American
imperialism and the contradictions which beset its role in world affairs.

There is an enormous gap between the global aspirations of the United
States, which seeks to impose its will in every corner of the planet, and
its real power to affect events. The United States is, as Clinton and
countless media pundits proclaim, "the world's only superpower." But this
status does not give America unlimited scope to exercise its domination.
Indeed, from the standpoint of its economic and political power, the United
States is far weaker today than it was 50 years ago, at the end of World
War II, when American industry dominated the world market and its major
imperialist rivals--Germany, Japan, Britain and France--were either
conquered or bankrupted by the conflict.

This relative decline has left the United States with undisputed dominance
in only one area--military force. Hence the infatuation of American
policy-makers with violence, and their unshakeable conviction that cruise
missiles, smart bombs and other high-tech weapons can produce the results
desired by Washington, regardless of historical processes and local
conditions. The end result is diplomats like Madeleine Albright, who
believe that military power makes diplomacy itself irrelevant. Their answer
to every problem is "We'll bomb."

Another factor is the role played by the mass media in the degradation of
political and intellectual life in the United States. Especially since the
Vietnam debacle--which was followed by recriminations about the impact of
critical media coverage of the war on public opinion--the ruling class has
developed the media as a gigantic machine for stultifying public opinion
and blocking any genuine democratic discussion about American foreign
policy. Of course, crass commercial considerations have contributed to the
virtual disappearance of serious news analysis and commentary. The evening
news consists largely of a series of 30 to 60 second clips. A feature that
runs as long as two minutes is called an "in-depth" report. The
transformation of news programs into a variety of entertainment requires
that all political subjects, no matter how complex, be reduced to the most
simplistic formulae, i.e., American "good guys" vs. foreign "bad guys." Any
foreign adversary of American interests is likely to find himself labeled
"another Hitler."

In the language of the Pentagon, however, there has been "collateral
damage" from the carpet bombing of public opinion with stupidity and lies.
The social types recruited into the media are, with few exceptions, largely
ignorant of the topics and issues they pronounce upon. And those who give
some sign of intelligence have been utterly corrupted by the wealth and
prestige bestowed upon them by their celebrity status. Thus, there is not
to be found in the media a single commentator who seriously questions the
assumptions 

[CTRL] Third Ring

1999-04-01 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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From wsws.org


WSWS : News  Analysis : Asia : Korea

US, Japan turn up the pressure on Pyongyang regime

An explosive situation on the Korean peninsula

By Peter Symonds
1 April 1999

A minor naval incident in the Sea of Japan last week has highlighted the
potential for north-east Asia, and the Korean peninsula in particular, to
be rapidly transformed into another arena, like the Middle East and the
Balkans, for military intervention by the major powers.

On March 23, Japanese navy warships and planes backed by the country's
coastguard chased two fishing vessels bearing false markings in waters off
the western coast of Japan. The boats failed to heed orders to stop even
when warning shots were fired across their bows and bombs were dropped from
the planes. The pursuit, which lasted for hours, was finally called off
when the vessels left Japan's air defence identification zone.

The following day the Japanese government called on North Korea to seize
and hand over the two ships together with their occupants. According to
authorities, the two boats had no visible fishing tackle, many electronic
antennae and had fled towards North Korean waters. The military claims to
have detected several MiG-21 fighters taking off from North Korea during
the chase. The Pyongyang regime has denied any involvement in the affair
and accused the Japanese government of staging the event as a means of
whipping up public support for current legislative changes giving greater
powers to the country's military.

Whether the North Korean accusation is true or not, Prime Minister Keizo
Obuchi certainly transformed a relatively minor incident into a major
public issue by giving the go-ahead for the navy to fire on the two vessels
and drop bombs--the first occasion since the country's Self-Defence Force
was formed in 1954. The scale of the operation was also unprecedented. Four
Japanese navy destroyers and six anti-submarine patrol aircraft, as well as
nine coastguard patrol boats and two aircraft, were engaged in chasing the
two boats. Government critics seized upon the failure of the navy to go
further and fire on the ships, in order to call for changes to the rules of
engagement that prevent Japanese warships from directly firing on boats
unless fired on first.

The media also encouraged a hysterical response to the intrusion. Video
footage of the naval chase was shown on TV. Commentators suggested the
purpose of the mission was spying, drug smuggling, the kidnapping of
Japanese citizens or other sinister aims. The right-wing Sankei newspaper
even claimed that the two boats were just a diversion, which had allowed
dozens of North Korean spies, trained in sabotaging transport and
communication, to slip into the country undetected.

With the rival American and European powers actively pursuing their
interests by military means in the Balkans and the Middle East, powerful
sections of the Japanese ruling class are pressing for an end to the
constitutional constraints on the country's military forces. Under its
postwar constitution, Japan is prevented from employing "the threat or the
use of force as the means of settling international disputes" and from
maintaining "land, sea or air forces". Its powerful Self Defence Forces has
242,000 personnel, the latest in military hardware and a budget of about
$US400 billion, but is not legally permitted to operate outside a narrow
perimeter surrounding Japan.

The latest events in the Sea of Japan have undoubtedly boosted Obuchi's
chances of pushing new laws through the Japanese Diet, which would allow
Japan to support US troops during a crisis within the region. Obuchi and
his government have received an increase in popularity in the opinion polls
following the incident. Four of the major parliamentary parties--the ruling
Liberal Democratic Party and its coalition partner, the Liberal Party, and
two opposition parties, Democratic Party of Japan and New Komeito--have
backed the naval action.

The LDP government is playing on other fears in relation to Pyongyang. Last
August, a North Korean three-stage ballistic missile was fired across
Japanese territory, sparking press speculation both in Japan and the United
States that the Stalinist regime was developing the missile capacity to hit
not only its near neighbours but also North America. The US State
Department subsequently accepted North Korean claims that the rocket had
been an attempt to place a satellite in orbit. But the acknowledgement has
not prevented the US and Japanese governments from using the incident to
step up demands on North Korea for a complete end to its development,
production and export of missiles.

Last weekend, in a further attempt to create public panic, the Japanese
newspaper Yomiuri Shimbun claimed that the North Korean military had
already deployed ballistic missiles. Quoting unnamed US military sources,
the paper stated that a US spy satellite had confirmed that several Rodong
ballistic missiles with 

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Re(2): [CTRL] Fwd: Poor Ant

1999-04-01 Thread Teo One Thousand

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In a message dated 3/31/99 2:42:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

 i know that your ant and grasshopper story was posted seriously with
 something that you believed to be true but the context, the situation, the
 characters, the principle, all of it were wrong. but then that is the
 nature of propaganda: unlesss you bust it yourself, you will be dancing to
 its tune and i thought that that was something that you needed to see.
  

Well as I posted to Chris, my piece was not intended as a serious piece meant
to convey serious thought on the issue, but was meant as a propaganda piece
designed to evoke reactions of an extreme nature.  The story was all about
absolutes and black and white issues but real life is all about shades of
gray.  The reactions the piece got from some people amply illustrated the
effect of good propaganda (good in the sense of evocative) on otherwise quite
rational people.  Chris is a rational thoughtful person and he was drawn into
the maelstrom rather easily.  How easily are we led everyday by the nuances of
media?  How often are our thoughts subverted without our even realizing it?
Mind you I include myself in this as well.
Teo1000

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Re: [CTRL] the meaning of the word socialist

1999-04-01 Thread Colleen Jones

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An example of socialism, is socialied medicine; and this is where we are
headed.   Doctors and Hospitals would not like this, because it would
mean you cannot like in a bed and pay $3,000.00 per night to rest, when
it would be cheaper to go to a motel.

That, is not only socialism, that is legal robbery

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[CTRL] Boyz 'n the HUD stalin /trotsky

1999-04-01 Thread Taylor, John (JH)

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from the net



The latest American Spectator(April 99) has two  articles
on the Housing and Urban Development department's extended
shakedown operation against mortgage lenders and landlords,
accomplished through bogus "testers" who attempt to entrap
lenders and "prove" discrimination. The attached piece is
on Andy Cuomo's personal role in the HUD protection racket.

Another intriguing tidbit in the Spectator concerns Trotsky,
who (according to the Venona intercepts) was planning to
testify before Congress, about the role of Soviet agents
abroad! Sounds bizarre, but apparently this
has been corroborated.

Stalin landed a pick in Trotsky's skull
before he could testify, but most intriguing was the role of Soviet
agents in the state department in thwarting Trotsky's attempt
to get a US visa.

http://www.spectator.org/exclusives/99-03-23_special.html

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[CTRL] Ground '0'

1999-04-01 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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From IrishTimes

Thursday, April 1, 1999

The fine line between military and civilian targets

The aerial bombardments have united Serbs in their detestation of the NATO
forces, writes Lara Marlowe, in Cacak


Before he let the journalists from Belgrade approach the wasteland of the
factory where he worked for 25 years, Radomir Ljujic, the general manager
of Sloboda ("Freedom") household appliances, wanted to tell us a thing or
two about NATO's war on Yugoslavia.

"Last year we celebrated the 50th anniversary of this factory. On March
30th, we received the biggest congratulations from NATO," Mr Ljujic said
with bitter sarcasm. "The factory is finished."

B-52s fired at least seven AGM 86 cruise missiles from Hungarian airspace
at the factory early on Tuesday morning. In a sloping valley surrounded on
three sides by hills, the industrial zone the size of several city blocks
looked as if an angry God had picked up warehouses, workrooms and assembly
lines, shaken them violently and hurled them to earth in a hail of stone,
wood, corrugated steel, machine parts and cardboard boxes.

The cruise missiles hit their targets with stunning accuracy, and the
craters they left were gaping chasms 40 feet deep and 100 feet across. The
windows broke in the redroofed chalets just a few hundred metres up the
hillside, but they were otherwise untouched. Because the missiles were
fired between 3 a.m. and 5 a.m. the factory was empty and no one was
killed.

Mr Ljujic was aware of the rumours and before we left he gave us orders.
"Don't turn vacuum-cleaners into grenade-launchers, and don't minimise the
damage," he said. "The damage is terrible. We hope that one day someone
will have to pay for this."

So why would NATO target the factory that supplied half of Yugoslavia's
vacuum-cleaners, cookers, hair-dryers and refrigerators? Independently of
one another, three reliable sources confirmed that it also made munitions,
though not in sufficient quantities to justify such an attack, one added.

Can damage to Yugoslavia's economy be compared to the suffering in Kosovo?
The question seems absurd, but in a murky way it sums up the Serbs' claim
to victimhood in this war. The material damage we were shown yesterday in
Cacak and Kragujevac, two cities 100 kilometres south of Belgrade, was
dramatic. But in both cases NATO struck without loss of human life. "I have
to admit, as a military man, that NATO are being honourable, that they are
hitting military targets with precision," a Yugoslav officer said.
"Obviously, if you live next door to a barracks, you are in danger."

In its war with the Kosovo Liberation Army, Serbia has argued that because
the guerrillas live in villages with their families, it is impossible to
distinguish between "terrorists" and civilians. NATO's moral separation
between military and civilian targets appears to have broken down in mass
bombardments in Kosovo, where the interior ministry police have moved into
civilian housing.

The distress of the Sloboda civilian factory workers shows what a fine line
divides the civilian and military, especially in Yugoslavia, where
virtually all the country's industry was dual-use. After all, Serb
journalists said yesterday in Cacak, the Boeing company that made the
cruise missiles that destroyed Sloboda also makes civilian airliners.

Mr Ljujic's factory employed 5,000 people and supported an estimated
20,000. The factory was worth $700 million. "This is a tragedy for Cacack,"
he said. "This factory was known throughout the world. We produced
vacuum-cleaners under licence from the German company Progress and
refrigerators under licence from Ignis in Italy. We received
congratulations from Aviano [NATO air base in northern Italy], too. We used
to produce 300,000 vacuum cleaners every year."

As he spoke, a woman in blue overalls and a pink anorak stood nearby,
weeping. Other workers carried red vacuum-cleaner casings and aluminum
baskets, plastic tubes and hair-dryers from the mountains of rubble,
stacking them in orderly piles. Faded pinups and images of football stars
were still taped to one of the few walls remaining. "Orders can be
delivered by post," a sign noted. "Quality guaranteed by Sloboda, Cacak."

But there was a very strong police presence for a damaged appliance
factory. They stood scowling, feet wide apart and hands behinds their
backs, in front of plastic ribbons, cordoning off the areas we could not
visit, allegedly because they had not yet been secured. And the choking
dust smelled odd, like gunpowder.

"That's enough questions," a plainclothes man shouted when I spoke to
workers on the far side of one of the ribbon markers. They refused to speak
any more. As we walked away at the request of uniformed policemen, another
plainclothes man gave me a hard shove in the back, and for a fraction of a
second I thought I could imagine what it might be like to be a Kosovo

[CTRL] the greenies ---wrong again

1999-04-01 Thread Taylor, John (JH)

 -Caveat Lector-

http://www.nytimes.com/library/national/science/033099sci-warzones-animals.h
tml





The green movement has been a useful ally in the preservation of illuminist
myths-
  (I am sympathetic to conservation- but not to environmentalism as a
religion)

March 30, 1999


Unlikely Tool for Species Preservation: Warfare


By WILLIAM K. STEVENS
erhaps no exploration in American history has more famously combined
intrepidity with scientific enterprise than the two-year expedition of Lewis
and Clark from the Mississippi to the Pacific two centuries ago. The
ecologist Daniel B. Botkin, in a 1995 book, called it "the greatest
wilderness trip ever recorded."

But how pristine was that Western wilderness of 1804 to 1806? The answer
depends on how one conceives of the nature of nature, and it has basic
implications for present-day conservation policy.

The Associated Press







Fond tradition pictures the plains and mountains of the Lewis and Clark era
as a nature untouched by humans and apart from them: a sort of original
realm of the wild, undisturbed and eternal.

Many experts, however, have long since abandoned that vision. Today they see
humans as longtime major players in nature's grand drama, and American
Indians among the main ecological actors of the old West -- not only in the
days of Lewis and Clark but for thousands of years before that.

Now, citing as evidence the marvelously detailed journals of Captains
Meriwether Lewis and William Clark, some scientists are proposing that even
Indian warfare played a critical ecological role, by regulating and
maintaining both the numbers and distribution of bison and other big animals
of the West before descendants of Europeans settled it.

Basically, according to this "war zone" theory, Indian hunters were so
proficient that in an individual tribe's homeland, populations of big game
like bison and elk seriously declined and in some cases disappeared.

But in several big buffer zones between warring tribes, where hunters were
loath to spend much time lest their enemies attack them, big game found more
safety and flourished.

These no-man's-lands functioned, in effect, as game preserves and may have
kept the plains bison and other big animals from being hunted to extinction
well before Europeans arrived.

Not everyone agrees wholly with the theory.

But the spotlight it casts on humans' impact on the pre-Columbian landscape
also highlights one of the major conceptual problems facing present-day
efforts to restore and conserve "natural" ecosystems: What target should be
aimed at? Should the goal be to maintain nature as nearly as possible in the
state it was in before the ancestors of the Indians came to America many
millenniums ago? Or to its state just before Europeans appeared on the
continent? Or to some other state altogether?

The war-zone theory is laid out in the February issue of the journal
Conservation Biology by Paul S. Martin, a paleoecologist at the University
of Arizona, and Christine R. Szuter, editor in chief of the University of
Arizona Press.

Dr. Martin says the theory could partly explain why bison, elk, deer and
bears escaped the fate of other, even bigger North American animal species
that became extinct 13,000 years ago. These included, among others,
mammoths, mastodons, camels, giant sloths, tapirs and predators that
depended on them, like giant short-faced bears, a giant wolf called the dire
wolf and the saber-toothed cat.

The bison is the largest surviving life form in North America, and Dr.
Martin is the chief advocate of the view that the earlier vanished species
of megafauna, as they are called, were hunted to extinction in a
continentwide "blitzkrieg" lasting several centuries by human hunters who
had migrated to North America from Siberia 15,000 years ago or more.

"The land had been stripped of most of its native megafauna through human
influence" long before Lewis and Clark appeared on the scene, Dr. Martin and
Dr. Szuter write.

And except for the influence of humans, they say, much larger populations of
the surviving bison, elk and deer would have greeted the white explorers.

Other scientists contend that the ancient megafauna were extinguished by
climatic change or disease, or by a combination of factors. Be that as it
may, it is abundantly clear that Indians and their ancestors, called
paleo-Indians by scientists, transformed the landscape and ecological
relationships of the Western Hemisphere, with both positive and negative
effects.

Indians rearranged the land with earthworks, farm fields, houses, towns and
trails.

As top predators, the impact of their hunting on many species rippled
through pre-Columbian ecosystems.

Indians also set frequent fires for one reason or another, and many
pre-Columbian forests were more open and parklike as a result.

In the West, the Indians' fires helped create, renew and maintain grassland

Re: [CTRL] Three US Soldiers Missing in Macedonia

1999-04-01 Thread Amelia Kay Edgeman

 -Caveat Lector-

Did that article say they had been abducted?  Abducted?  Poor choice of
words for this list!! Maybe "taken captive" would serve us better.  Pray
for their safety.  Remember, they are Nato ad not protected by the
Geneva Convention Rules.  Now Clinton has been taken by surprise.  How
can  say that when every military expert told him not to do this.  He
just doesn't understand military strategy.  Well, neither do I but I'd
rely on experts in a subject where I was totally ignorant and misguided
and lives were at stake.

I keep hearing "Wake Up Amerca".  I AM awake, long hrs. every night and
cannot figure out how we are going to fix this mess.

Did you guys notice the speech by Al Gore to the computer industry
honoring him in Nassau?  He makes $600,000 per week ff his internet
deal.  One person didn't invent it by himself.  Wasn't that government
funded. Isn't the environment 'his thing"  Isn't that where the UN wants
to tax us rich Americans and make us pay for being productive.  I can't
get my taxes together now.  I will ve 100 pages to assemble.  I'm three
days past appointment with accountant because of  iminute details
required to keep from paying morethan I can bear.
On m soapbox,
Amelia

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Re: [CTRL] The World's Greatest Hacking Links

1999-04-01 Thread SHAYSA

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I figured that out but thanks for the info

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Re: [CTRL] [piml] Art Bell Website Hacked by Yugoslavian Hackers!

1999-04-01 Thread Don Allen

At 11:30 PM 3/31/99 -0800, Ed Wolfe wrote:
The Beograd Hackers have completely replaced Art Bell's website with
one
of their own making. Check it out:

http://www.artbell.com

Probably the best use of Art Bell's site we'll ever see. Bell 
Rowland can 
screw around with Robert A.M. Stephens, but they can't beat the
Yugoslavian
hackers! 

 






BEOGRAD HACKERS RULE!! We Have Your Site!!


THE YUGOSLAV CITIZENS' MESSAGE TO NATO WORLD CRIMINALS 
Yugoslavia is informing its listeners and Internet users throughout the
world that the aggression against the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia has
dramatic proportions. Murderers and criminals, organized under the name
of NATO, are shooting at civilian targets in our country. The reason for
doing so is obviously to inflict material damage on the economy, roads
and all other assets. Their desire is to destabilize our country and
undermine the unity of our people, army and state leadership, and to try
to conquer us. 
Such an aggression and bestiality have not been seen since the time of
concentration camps in World War II. The criminals' missiles are falling
on schools full of children, hospitals with people being treated in them,
roads are being destroyed so that many places are being left without
food. They are bringing down transmission lines, so as to leave the
people without electricity, and using chemical weapons in order to cause
as great a pain and suffering of the population as possible. They are
cutting the major waterworks and targeting factories using chemical raw
materials. 

It is the Serbs, Montenegrins, Albanians, Turks, Muslims, Gorancies,
Romanies and all those living in our country that are suffering the
consequences of the acts by NATO criminals. 
Bill Clinton and his collaborator - Javier Solana, are justifying all
this with the need to protect democracy. The message of all the citizens
of Yugoslavia, the Serbs, Albanians and Montenegrins alike, to them is to
stop protecting our democracy. Our state is eight centuries older than
the United States. All Yugoslav citizens say to them that they will
remain steadfast in support of their army, their state and their
president, Slobodan Milosevic. And a message to them from all the
citizens of Yugoslavia is that we never lost wars and that our
retaliation against those who had attacked us, has always been painful.







More Links

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Demonstrations in Washington, April 4th 

Please come to Serbian demonstrations in front of the White House on
Sunday, April 4, starting at 2 p.m. People will come in an organized
fashion by buses from cities from the entire Eastern Coast of the U.S. -
from New York (8 buses booked already); Pittsburgh; Cleveland; and many
other cities. 

Pozivam vas da u sto vecem broju dodjemo u Vasington na velike srpske
demonstracije ispred Bele Kuce u Nedelju, 4. aprila, sa pocetkom u
14.00h. Doci ce organizovano ljudi autobusima iz gradova sirom istocne
Amerike - iz Njujorka (za sada bukirano 8 autobusa); Pitsburga;
Klivlenda; i mnogo drugih gradova sa cele istocne obale Amerike. 

Beograd, 24.marta 1999 Generalstab Vojske Jugoslavije obavestava
jugoslovensku i medjunarodnu javnost da je veceras u 20.00 casova NATO
pakt izvrsio agresiju na Saveznu Republiku Jugoslaviju. Vojne snage
Severnoatlanske alijanse, po diktatu i interesu svetskog policajca,
Sjedinjenih Americkih Drzava, a za racun siptarskih separatista i
terorista, grubo su narusile teritoriju suverene Jugoslavije i brutalno
ugrozile zivote njenih gradjana, saopstila je informativna sluzba
Generalstaba VJ. Borbeni efektivi sistema protivvazdusne odbrane koji su
pravovremeno otkrili agresorske projektile i efikasno dejstvovali nisu
osteceni i ostaju u borbenom rasporedu i spremnosti za dalja dejstva. U
prvom naletu svetskih agresora gadjano je preko dvadeset objekata, a
dejstva jos traju. Vojska Jugoslavije preduzima sve mere odbrane i
zastite. Operativna spremnost i borbena gotovost su na najvisem nivou, a
raspolozenje i motivisanost vojnika i oficira je besprimerno visoka. U
jedinice Vojske Jugoslavije masovno se javljaju dobrovoljci za odbranu
otadzbine. Prve eksplozije do kojih je doslo posle napada NATO pakta
oznacile su kraj medjunarodnog prava, suspendovale Povelju Ujedinjenih
nacija i otvorile novu stranicu svetske istorije, zakljucuje se u
saopstenju.




Re: [CTRL] the meaning of the word socialist

1999-04-01 Thread Ric Carter

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- Original Message -
From: Howard R. Davis III [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I did not ask for you to expound on your "Games Hypothesis". I asked
 you for your definition of the word "socialism" since you have disagreed
 with that given the word by others (though you did not specify what
 their definition was or how it differs from yours). If you can't do so,
 or do not wish to, please just say so.

 Ric Carter wrote:
  From: Howard R. Davis III [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
   So what IS your definition of "socialism"? There does not seem to be
   a clear definition in the web site mentioned and there is none that I
   can find in the following two messages.
 
  As with all human Games, religious/political/economic/artistic belief-
  systems, 'socialism' means whatever the speaker WISHES it to mean.

My definition: Socialism is a Game, a belief system held by those who
call themselves Socialists. Just as any who wish to style themselves
Christians or Republicans or Nudists may do so, so anyone is free to
label themselves a Socialist - and is also free to merrily bludgeon,
and be bludgeoned by, anyone else who disagrees with their label,
their beliefs or their looks.  Arguing over the finer points of just
what constitutes Socialism holds no interest for me.  But I note that
power structures self-styled as Socialist have not fared too well in
open competition with more flexible, adaptive systems.

Now, let's say that Socialism entails some degree of community control
or ownership of... whatever.  Endless arguments can ensue over just what
degree of ownership/control, and just what is being owned/controlled,
qualify a system as Socialism, but this seems like a basic principle -
not everything in a realm is owned/run by private forces.  Experience
shows that with too MUCH community ownership/control over too GREAT a
range of institutions in a society, the society is stifled, and more
flexible societies stomp its butt.  Likewise, with too LITTLE community
control/ownership over too SMALL a range of institutions, the society
becomes a kleptocracy, easy meat for more disciplined competitors.

So IMHO the vital question isn't, Is any given social/political/belief
system Socialism, but, Can a given society/nation adapt to meet the
competitive challenges of a rapidly-evolving world?  Those states that
called themselves Socialist have generally flunked that test; but those
states that're soi-dissant Capitalist have found it incumbent to adopt
numerous items from Socialist agendas, for the sake of their survival
and growth.  Community sponsorship of health/education/other programs
have resulted in healthier and more productive populaces.  Are public
schools, public health systems/standards, public lands, 'Socialist'?
Does the label matter, as long as society and its members benefit?

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[CTRL] Chronology of the KLA's Terrorism: April 1996 - February 1998

1999-04-01 Thread Don Allen
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ref -
http://beograd.rockbridge.net/chronology.html

--
Chronology of the KLA's Terrorism: April 1996 - February 1998
--


1996


April 22: Blagoje Okulic, a Serb refugee from Croatia, was sitting with a
friend in a cafe when a masked member of the KLA opened fire on the
customers with an automatic weapon. Okulic died in hospital. He was the
first victim of the KLA.

Armand Daci (20), an ethnic Albanian student in dentistry school, was
shot and killed by a sniper.

June 16: In an attack against a police patrol near Podujevo, police
officer Goran Mitrovic was heavily wounded.

June 17: Around 11:55 p.m. a police patrol in the village of Siplje near
Kosovska Mitrovica was attacked, resulting in the killing of Predrag
Djordjevic (28) from Krusevac, and the wounding of Zoran Vukocic (30)
from Nis.

The same day a bomb was hurled at the police station in Luzani, and the
police officers on duty in the station were fired on by automatic
weapons. No one was injured.

July 11: One hour after midnight in the center of Podujevo terrorists
carried out an armed attack against police officers, resulting in a heavy
wounding of police officer Sredoje Radojevic.

Aug. 2: Armed attack on three police stations (in Pristina, Podujevo, and
the village of Krpimej) around 10 p.m.

Aug. 28: Three bombs were hurled in the village of Celopek (border of the
towns Pec-Klina-Decani), around 3 a.m. No one was injured.

In the village of Donje Ljupce police inspector Ejup Bajgora (44), an
ethnic Albanian who worked at the Pristina Precinct, was shot and
killed.

Aug. 31: In the night hours two bombs were hurled into the courtyard of
the Yugoslav Army's barracks in Vucitrn.

In the village of Rudnik (Srbica municipality) an armed attack was
carried out on the police station.

In Podujevo, police officers at the juncture of the road
Pristina-Podujevo-Kursumlija were fired on. No one was hit.

The police station in Glogovac was fired on with automatic weapons.

Oct. 25: Two police officers were killed by automatic weapons near the
village of Surkis in the Podujevo municipality -- Milos Nikolic, a police
inspector of the Pristina Precinct, and Dragan Rakic from the village of
Velika Reka, who was a police officer in the reserves and a manager of a
company in Podujevo.

Nov. 16: In the village of Rznic, in Decan municipality, around 10:30
p.m. a terrorist attack was carried out on the police station. No one was
killed.

Dec. 26: Faik Belopolja, an ethnic Albanian from Podujevo who was a
forest worker in the Serbia Forest Service, was shot and killed.


1997


Jan. 9: In the center of Podujevo at 5:30 p.m. Malic Saholi (52), an
ethnic Albanian who was the manager of the superamarket Vocar
and a deputy in the municipal council of Podujevo as a member of the
Socialist Party of Serbia, was shot and killed.

Jan. 11: In the Vucitrn village of Mijalic, around 7 p.m. more than 26
bullets were fired at the house of Ljubisa Mitrovic. No one was
killed.

Jan. 13: Shooting Fazil Hasani, an ethnic Albanian forest worker from the
village of Brabonic (Srbica municipality) in the neck, KLO terrorists
killed him and issued a statement denouncing Mr. Hasani as a
traitor.

Jan. 16: Using remote-controlled explosives, the KLO attempted to
assassinate the Dean of Pristina University, Mr. Papovic, at 8 a.m. as he
was driving to the University. Both he and his driver Nikola Lalic were
heavily wounded. The explosives were set off when their car was some 50
meters from Dean Papovic's apartment in Pristina.

Jan. 17: In the village of Reketnica (Srbica municipality), at 1 a.m.,
ethnic Albanian Zen Durmisi (52) was shot and killed and his son Nazmi
Durmisi was heavily wounded. The Durmisi family was labeled
pro-Yugoslav by the terrorist KLA.

Feb. 1: KLA terrorists from a moving vehicle fired on police officers.
The officers fired back and killed all three terrorists.

March 5: At 10:47 a.m., in front of the Pristina University School of
Languages, a bomb in a container exploded. Four people were wounded, two
ethnic Albanians -- Adrijana Dremka and Lindita Maksuti -- and two ethnic
Serbs, Borivoje Popovic and Ivan Maksimovic.

A second explosives device weighing 4.2 kilograms, which had been placed
at the base of the Vuk Karadzic monument in front of the School of
Languages, was found and deactivated by members of the Anti-Ballistics
Unit of the Pristina Precinct.

March 21: Around 8 p.m., in the center of Podujevo, KLA terrorists fired
five shots at police officer Branislav Milovanovic, wounding him heavily.
In a statement, the KLA claimed responsibility denouncing officer
Milovanovic as a Serbian policeman, well known blood-sucker and
anti-Albanian.

March 25: Near the village Sicevo, Klin municipality, a group of
attackers killed ethnic Albanians Jusuf Haljiljaj and Fehmi Haziraj (who
were well known 

[CTRL] Albanian Terrorism Book

1999-04-01 Thread Don Allen
 -Caveat Lector-




ref -
http://www.beograd.com/nato/albanian_terrorism.html

-

Milan V. Petkovi}
Albanian Terrorists
1998
There is only one step from fanaticism to barbarism.
Denis Diderot
Index

Introduction 
Islamic Extremism and the European Quest 
Growing Iranian influence

The Albanian Initiative 
The US Interest for Terrorists in Kosovo and Metohija 
TURKEY, ALBANIA AND THE
REPUBLIC KOSOVA 
Using religion 
Turkey, Albania and Kosovo and Metohija 
Planning the Republic of Kosova 
The Kosovo Liberation
Army 
What is the Kosovo
Liberation Army? 
Profile of a terrorist 
Dogs of War are arriving 
Profession - Terrorist 
MAPS  DRAWINGS
ABBREVIATIONS
BIBLIOGRAPHY
Introduction
Southeast Europe, and
especially the Balkan Peninsula, have traditionally been the object of
numerous geopolitical, geostrategic and publicist analyses, as well as
the subject of debates among Balkan, European and global experts in
international relations. At the present, along with the Serbian question,
the most controversial issue is the Albanian national question.
The basic problem concerns security in a broader geopolitical framework,
which is understandable. but at least as far as Western analysts are
concerned, other issues have priority such as human rights, democracy and
other issues that might become dominant in a given phase of crisis
solving. 
The preservation of regional security and the creation of stable
political-economic relations in the Balkan Peninsula are the priorities
of the international community policy, since it estimates that currently
the most important hotbeds on Europe are located in Kosovo and Metohija,
in Albania and in western Macedonia.
Judged according to investments, resources and geostrategic element, the
province of Kosovo and Metohija is worth more than 500 billion dollars.
This fact favored the Albanian secessionist leadership in its efforts to
assume the guidance of the Albanian people which might play an important
role in the global control of the south-eastern part of Europe. The
premise Whoever has control of the Balkans and of Kosovo and
Metohija, controls the stability and the instability of Europe has
been put to good use by the Albanian leaders by trying to destabilize
this part of the European continent in order to benefit by creating
Greater Albania, i.e. by generating a monopoly of power and
might in the Balkans. Their efforts are designed to provide the solution
to the Kosovo Question by involving international factors, to
the point that internationalization of the problems is sought at any
cost, including inciting and taking part in terrorist activities, devised
to frighten the Serbian people and force it to emigrate and abandon the
land to the secessionists.
The political objectives of the secessionists encompassing both
conventional and unconventional forms of activities by political parties,
unions, media, supported by terrorism, guerrilla, contraband, drugs
smuggling and violence of all sorts, are merely a mosaic revealing a
rejection of the authority of the Serbian state and of the Federal
Republic of Yugoslavia, and a collective resistance to the Serbian people
and political parties, regardless of their political programs, party
activities and attitude towards the present government. 
Islamic Extremism and the
European Quest
Kosovo and Metohija is a
region with enormous historical and civilizational importance, especially
in view of resisting to the expansion of Islamism in Europe. 
The war in Bosnia and Herzegovina, concluded by the Dayton Agreement,
also represents an attempt to ensure the penetration of Islamism in the
Balkans and to link a major number of states and regions to the Moslem
population and Islam as the religion of the majority. Part of this
process includes the long-term effort of the Albanian leadership to form
the Greater Albania, encompassing present day Republic of
Albania, Kosovo and Metohija, as well as parts of Macedonia, Montenegro
and Greece. Strikes staged by ethnic Albanian miners and university
students in Kosovo and Metohija back in 1988 and 1989, have escalated
into outbreaks of violence with tragic consequences, forcing the Serbian
government to take energetic measures to suppress anti-government and
terrorist activities and re-establish normal life condition in this part
of the Republic. This is why at the beginning of the nineties, terrorist
groups and their leaders adopted a new strategy which was intensified in
1996 and 1997. It was characterized by attacks focused on government
institutions, Serbs, Montenegrins and ethnic Albanians which were judged
to be helping the reinforcement of legal and legitimate authority of
Serbia and Yugoslavia. In just a few months at the end of 1997 and at the
beginning of 1998, the activity of the terrorists in Kosovo and Metohija
have caused the death of more than 70 citizens and members of Serbian
Police and Yugoslav Army. Such an escalation of violence was the result
of thorough 

[CTRL] Fwd: [EWAR] Unknown earth signals

1999-04-01 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

In a message dated 3/31/99 2:17:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

 http://www.elfrad.net/Spectrum.htm 




From: Charlie Plyler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Unknown

Hello all,

I would like to ask for an opinion from you. The Elfrad Group has
been detecting some curious signals traveling through the earth for
the past several years, but now something has come to our attention
and we need you to take a look and see if you have any idea of what
may be the source or cause.  All of you are specialists or
knowledgeable in many areas and the thought that you may be able
to shed some light came to mind. These signals seem to be artificial
in origin due to the timing and other aspects, but if they are
natural, we are entering a new area.

Any information you may be able to give, or comments are invited.
Also if you desire any further details concerning the detections
please let us know.

Here are the URLs for this event:

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Re: [CTRL] Arabiana: 03-31-99

1999-04-01 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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In a message dated 3/31/99 4:19:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Israel Radio said that chairman of the Merets movementYossi Sarid and Eitan
 Cable from the Israeli Labor Party called upon the Supreme Israeli Court of
 Justice to prevent the ministry from settling extremist settlers in these
 settlements out of fears over their increased provocation against the
 Palestinians.

 On Tuesday, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu presided over a
 meeting in occupied Jerusalem in which he discussed means of bringing new
 Jewish settlers from Kosovo and Belgrade to Israel. 

Perhaps it would be more effective if we just moved Mr. Netanyahu to Belgrade
where he could be with Mr. Milosovich.  They would probably be able to
communicate very well.   Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] Kevorkian News

1999-04-01 Thread DrErebus

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Just for your information, I have been on this list almost two years!

Dr. E.

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[CTRL] ART BELL HAD BEEN HACKED!

1999-04-01 Thread Fremin

http://www.artbell.com/
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tomorrow's  revolutionary force." Edward Britton

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Title: YUGOSLAV MESSAGE TO NATO WORLD CRIMINALS


  





  

  
BEOGRAD HACKERS RULE!! We Have Your Site!!

 
  
  

  

  THE YUGOSLAV CITIZENS' MESSAGE TO NATO WORLD CRIMINALS 

  Yugoslavia is informing its listeners and Internet users throughout
the world that the aggression against the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia
has dramatic proportions. Murderers and criminals, organized under the
name of NATO, are shooting at civilian targets in our country. The
reason for doing so is obviously to inflict material damage on the
economy, roads and all other assets. Their desire is to destabilize our
country and undermine the unity of our people, army and state
leadership, and to try to conquer us. 

  Such an aggression and bestiality have not been seen since the time of
concentration camps in World War II. The criminals' missiles are falling
on schools full of children, hospitals with people being treated in
them, roads are being destroyed so that many places are being left
without food. They are bringing down transmission lines, so as to leave
the people without electricity, and using chemical weapons in order to
cause as great a pain and suffering of the population as possible. They
are cutting the major waterworks and targeting factories using chemical
raw materials. 

  It is the Serbs, Montenegrins, Albanians, Turks, Muslims, Gorancies,
Romanies and all those living in our country that are suffering the
consequences of the acts by NATO criminals. 

  Bill Clinton and his collaborator - Javier Solana, are justifying all
this with the need to protect democracy. The message of all the citizens
of Yugoslavia, the Serbs, Albanians and Montenegrins alike, to them is
to stop protecting our democracy. Our state is eight centuries older
than the United States. All Yugoslav citizens say to them that they will
remain steadfast in support of their army, their state and their
president, Slobodan Milosevic. And a message to them from all the
citizens of Yugoslavia is that we never lost wars and that our
retaliation against those who had attacked us, has always been painful.
  
  
  
  



  More Links

  

  REPLY
  OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF YUGOSLAVIA, MR.
  SLOBODAN MILOEVIC  
  No to NATO
  Expansion-- NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL ANTI-WAR PROTESTS AGAINST
  U.S. BOMBING OF YUGOSLAVIA 
  A
  letter from a 13 year old girl. 
  More News
  in ENGLISH 


  Demonstrations in Washington, April 4th 

  Please come to Serbian demonstrations in front of the White House on
Sunday, April 4, starting at 2 p.m. People will come in an organized
fashion by buses from cities from the entire Eastern Coast of the U.S. -
from New York (8 buses booked already); Pittsburgh; Cleveland; and many
other cities. 

  Pozivam vas da u sto vecem broju dodjemo u Vasington na velike srpske
demonstracije ispred Bele Kuce u Nedelju, 4. aprila, sa pocetkom u
14.00h. Doci ce organizovano ljudi autobusima iz gradova sirom istocne
Amerike - iz Njujorka (za sada bukirano 8 autobusa); Pitsburga;
Klivlenda; i mnogo drugih gradova sa cele istocne obale Amerike. 

  Beograd, 24.marta 1999 Generalstab Vojske Jugoslavije obavestava
jugoslovensku i medjunarodnu javnost da je veceras u 20.00 casova NATO
pakt izvrsio agresiju na Saveznu Republiku Jugoslaviju. Vojne snage
Severnoatlanske alijanse, po diktatu i interesu svetskog policajca,
Sjedinjenih Americkih Drzava, a za racun siptarskih separatista i
terorista, grubo su narusile teritoriju suverene Jugoslavije i brutalno
ugrozile zivote njenih gradjana, saopstila je informativna sluzba
Generalstaba VJ. Borbeni efektivi sistema protivvazdusne odbrane koji su
pravovremeno otkrili agresorske projektile i efikasno dejstvovali nisu
osteceni i ostaju u borbenom rasporedu i spremnosti za dalja dejstva. U
prvom naletu svetskih agresora gadjano je preko dvadeset objekata, a
dejstva jos traju. Vojska Jugoslavije preduzima sve mere odbrane i
zastite. Operativna spremnost i borbena gotovost su na najvisem nivou, a
raspolozenje i motivisanost vojnika i oficira je besprimerno visoka. U
jedinice Vojske Jugoslavije masovno se javljaju dobrovoljci 

Re: [CTRL] Questions mount on accuracy of Kosovo atrocity reports

1999-04-01 Thread philately

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What Makes Mainstream Media Mainstream
(From a talk at Z Media Institute June 1997)
By Noam Chomsky

http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/articles/z9710-mainstream-media.html

Part of the reason why I write about the media is because I am interested in the whole 
intellectual
culture, and the part of it that is easiest to study is the media. It comes out every 
day. You can
do a systematic investigation. You can compare yesterday’s version to today’s version. 
There is a
lot of evidence about what’s played up and what isn’t and the way things are 
structured.

My impression is the media aren’t very different from scholarship or from, say, 
journals of
intellectual opinion—there are some extra constraints—but it’s not radically 
different. They
interact, which is why people go up and back quite easily among them.

You look at the media, or at any institution you want to understand. You ask questions 
about its
internal institutional structure. You want to know something about their setting in 
the broader
society. How do they relate to other systems of power and authority? If you’re lucky, 
there is an
internal record from leading people in the information system which tells you what 
they are up to
(it is sort of a doctrinal system). That doesn’t mean the public relations handouts 
but what they
say to each other about what they are up to. There is quite a lot of interesting 
documentation.
Those are three major sources of information about the nature of the media. You want 
to study them
the way, say, a scientist would study some complex molecule or something. You take a 
look at the
structure and then make some hypothesis based on the structure as to what the media 
product is
likely to look like. Then you investigate the media product and see how well it 
conforms to the
hypotheses. Virtually all work in media analysis is this last part—trying to study 
carefully just
what the media product is and whether it conforms to obvious assumptions about the 
nature and
structure of the media.

Well, what do you find? First of all, you find that there are different media which do 
different
things, like the entertainment/Hollywood, soap operas, and so on, or even most of the 
newspapers in
the country (the overwhelming majority of them). They are directing the mass audience.
There is another sector of the media, the elite media, sometimes called the 
agenda-setting media
because they are the ones with the big resources, they set the framework in which 
everyone else
operates. The New York Times and CBS, that kind of thing. Their audience is mostly 
privileged
people. The people who read the New York Times—people who are wealthy or part of what 
is sometimes
called the political class—they are actually involved in the political system in an 
ongoing fashion.
They are basically managers of one sort or another. They can be political managers, 
business
managers (like corporate executives or that sort of thing), doctoral managers (like 
university
professors), or other journalists who are involved in organizing the way people think 
and look at
things.

The elite media set a framework within which others operate. If you are watching the 
Associated
Press, who grind out a constant flow of news, in the mid-afternoon it breaks and there 
is something
that comes along every day that says "Notice to Editors: Tomorrow’s New York Times is 
going to have
the following stories on the front page." The point of that is, if you’re an editor of 
a newspaper
in Dayton, Ohio and you don’t have the resources to figure out what the news is, or 
you don’t want
to think about it anyway, this tells you what the news is. These are the stories for 
the quarter
page that you are going to devote to something other than local affairs or diverting 
your audience.
These are the stories that you put there because that’s what the New York Times tells 
us is what
you’re supposed to care about tomorrow. If you are an editor in Dayton, Ohio, you 
would sort of have
to do that, because you don’t have much else in the way of resources. If you get off 
line, if you’re
producing stories that the big press doesn’t like, you’ll hear about it pretty soon. 
In fact, what
just happened at San Jose Mercury News is a dramatic example of this. So there are a 
lot of ways in
which power plays can drive you right back into line if you move out. If you try to 
break the mold,
you’re not going to last long. That framework works pretty well, and it is 
understandable that it is
just a reflection of obvious power structures.

The real mass media are basically trying to divert people. Let them do something else, 
but don’t
bother us (us being the people who run the show). Let them get interested in 
professional sports,
for example. Let everybody be crazed about professional sports or sex scandals or the 
personalities
and their problems or something like that. Anything, as long as it isn’t serious. Of 
course, the
serious stuff is for the big guys. "We" 

[CTRL] BSE (Mad Cow)- France: Zoo animals

1999-04-01 Thread flw

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Seems zoo animals at risk for BSE due to being fed prion tainted
food. Since most pet food sold in the US comes from similiar
sources (processed dead animals of all kinds) it seems to me that
US pets (and zoo animals)  may be at risk.
flw

BSE - FRANCE: ZOO ANIMALS
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Date: 30 Mar 1999
Source: NYTimes [edited]


A number of monkeys and lemurs in French zoos appear to be infected with
the
agent that causes "mad cow disease," [BSE -- bovine spongiform
encephalopathy] according to a provocative study published today in
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

Although it is not the first time the disease has been found in monkeys
and
lemurs, the extent of the infection is surprising, researchers said. When
18
apparently healthy lemurs were euthanized and their tissues examined,
every
animal was infected with what looked like mad cow disease.

For many years, zoo animals throughout Europe were fed protein supplements
containing the rendered remains of British cattle, some of which carried a
mysterious disease agent called an infectious prion.

A number of species that ate the tainted animal feed, including cats and
hoofed animals, developed sponge-like holes in their brains and died in
much
the same way that British cattle were dying from mad cow disease.

As a result, feed manufacturers stopped adding British beef to their
products in 1996.

That year, Dr. Noelle Bons, a neurobiologist at Montpellier University in
France reported that a rhesus monkey and two lemurs from the local zoo
died
of a brain disease similar to mad cow disease. But a link to animal feed
could not be proved.

In the study reported today, Dr. Bons and her colleagues fed a large
portion
of infected cattle brain to two young lemurs that had never before eaten
meat. One animal received one dose, equivalent to a 154-pound person's
eating a one-pound hamburger made entirely from cow brain. The second got
two similar doses a couple months apart.  After five months, one animal
showed "a loss in vitality" and was killed by its cage mates, Dr. Bons
said.
Researchers then euthanized the other lemur, and the tissues of both
animals
were examined for the presence of infectious prions.

Another 20 lemurs from three French zoos were also euthanized as part of a
program to cull certain animals. Two showed subtle neurological symptoms
but
the other 18 appeared normal. All had eaten animal feed containing British
beef for many years.

Finally, 3 young lemurs that had never eaten beef were also euthanized;
they
showed no signs of infectious prions, Dr. Bons said.

But the 2 animals intentionally infected and the 20 lemurs living in
different zoos showed identical patterns of infection. In primates, the
infection first takes hold in epithelial tissues of the gut, moves to
tonsils, esophagus, lymph nodes and spleen and then spreads up the spinal
cord to the brain, Dr. Bons said.

This is the first time such a pattern has been shown in animals incubating
a
prion disease, said Dr. Paul Brown, a senior research scientist at the
National Institute of Neurological Diseases and Stroke in Bethesda,
Maryland, and co-author of the paper. Dr. Bons said she suspected the
pattern was typical of most prion diseases, called spongiform
encephalopathies, found in many mammalian species.

Prion diseases take many years to spread, incubate and produce symptoms,
but
once symptoms appear the disease usually progresses swiftly and is always
fatal.

Thus far, 39 people in Britain and one in France have died from nvCJD,
which
most experts think is contracted from eating infected beef, particularly
brain tissue

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[CTRL] Fwd: Zapruder CIA affilated?

1999-04-01 Thread Kris Millegan






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from website (ciajfk.com)

To Whom It May Concern:

A revised 100 page report with exhibits was sent to three
Arbitrators,the U.S. Attorney General to show that Abraham Zapruder
belonged to organization that was a CIA affiliate.

I have been on many radio shows speaking on the JFK assassination.

The U.S. Attorney General had thanked me for the information set out in
the first draft.

The Arbitrators have to decide what to pay the family for the copyright
of Zapruder's film, 30 million dollars is on the table.  Robert Bennett,
President Clinton is representing the Zapruder family.

If your interested in the story, please contact me
Sincerely,


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[CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] Kosovo propaganda? / Hard-liners recruit young Russians ...

1999-04-01 Thread Kris Millegan





 [Our enemies] don't have the latest weapons, but they have one thing we
don't
have -- a willingness to use ground troops in campaigns that will produce
significant casualties.  Once on the ground, men start dying, and then will we
be
supporting this distant war?   Body bags look lousy on the evening news.   We
don't have the will to continue this beyond the computer-game button pushing
stage. 

The bottom line -- The US corporate army, corrupt, greedy, dishonest,
inattentive, and complacent solely because of our HIGH-TECH "superiority"
(which on closer inspection involves pretty shoddy workmanship and a high
failure rate, due to the characteristics first in line in the description
above) is, in any contest with the REAL world of hard work, pain, misery and
bloodshed, simply COWARDLY.  Arm-chair generals who pay more attention to
their stock portfolios and future corporate directorships, "fighting men" who
are couch-potatoes with a detached video-game attitude, and a mass of young
grunts in the armed services mostly as an alternative to being in jail for
assault and battery, or on welfare, who are convinced they'll never face
anything more stressful than boot camp in their military vacations, and so far
have been right about that.  Meanwhile, all over the planet, with "genocide"
having everywhere else become S.O.P. since WWII, billions of NON-yuppies are
suffering and dying in the REAL world, and even children are now in uniform in
armies who torture and butcher innocent civilians hundreds at a time, hardly
batting an eye.  Good God preserve any Americans in uniform who find
themselves out of their element ON THE GROUND -- far from their remote-
controller couches in castles in the air, where they've too long been living
in a fantasy, in a media-built Versailles ...

Even with satellite-controlled targeting, $1 million remote-programmed
missiles, and
the hottest "stealth" technology, our modern American "robo-warriors" are
simply dead meat in any hand-to-hand combat with wave after wave of "low tech"
flesh-and-blood peasants who KNOW what pain and sacrifice are and are willing
to DIE -- en masse..

If ever the US decides to send GROUND troops into the Balkans --and the Bush
et al Octopus in NATO seems to be setting Clinton up for such a choice, which
we can see coming already with the "3 Americans prisoners of the Serbs" theme,
straight out of "Saving Private Ryan" (now that "Wag the Dog" is so obvious
it's even on Serbian TV)--
it's almost FATED that this nation will face the Millennium with the worst
humiliation of its macho-manque hubris since our loss of Vietnam, and that'll
have CONSEQUENCES in our culture, disabusing at least one more generation of
any notion of our "superior" position on the planet -- not to mention the
consequences OUTSIDE our culture, where our enemies --"empires" next in line,
as our sun sets-- will see no reason NOT to risk everything in warfare, with
more bravado, eyes opened by our clay-feet comeuppance..




[CTRL] French Pilots' Fate Bodes Ill for U.S. Soldiers

1999-04-01 Thread Peter L. Sroufe

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MAY ALMIGHTY GOD FORGIVE US FOR ELECTING BILL CLINTON!

PARIS — If the fate of two downed French pilots seized by Bosnian Serbs in
1995 is any precedent, three U.S. soldiers snatched by Yugoslavia's army may
face rough treatment at the hands of their captors.


http://www.foxnews.com/js_index.sml?content=/world/040199/kosovoside11.sml

Bard

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revolutionary force."
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Re: [CTRL] A warrior race . . . Serbs must draw on fierce fighting spirit that Nazis failed to crush . . .?

1999-04-01 Thread William Hugh Tunstall

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Interestingly, once Yugoslavs (Serbs, Croatians, Slovenians, Dalmatians
and Macedonians) come to the United States, they learn to get along with
one another.

For instance, in Keewatin, Minnesota, a community up on the Iron Range,
Serbs and Croatians get along well with one another.  My stepfather,
Robert Minerich, is of Croatian descent. Both of his sisters married
Minnesotans of Serbian ancestry.  The Croatians are Roman Catholics, while
the Serbs are Orthodox, but the religious and ethnic difference becomes
trivial once everyone is away from "the old country."

Really, there's not much difference between the two groups: both are
"slavs," Croatians tend to have blond or red hair...Serbians are
brunettes...the dialects are different but the two
groups can understand one another's speech.  But there is no question
about the fact that Yugoslavs are a tough and resilient  people--
physically, emotionally, mentally.  They thrive on adversity, something
that the Germans learned during World War Two.

I can still remember my Croatian stepfather, jumping out of bed at five in
the morning, doing calisthenics outside the house in cold weather..  He
believed in PAIN.  Pain was his teacher.  If it hurt, he believed that it
was good for you.  And his version of Catholicism was a "macho,"
hard-nosed variety. He prayed the rosary with his knees on the hardwood
floorreligion was supposed to hurt, because life hurt.


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 Times of London - March 26 1999

 A warrior race

 Serbs must draw on fierce fighting spirit that Nazis failed to crush

 FROM ROGER BOYES IN BERLIN



 On Serbian television yesterday they were showing black and white
 films of partisan adventures - heel-clicking Germans contrasted with
 rugged Yugoslav guerrillas - until the 11am news interrupted the
 broadcast with a special bulletin about how to guard against nuclear
 or chemical weapons. The connection was clear, the message obvious:
 Serbs will have to draw on their historical reserves, on their
 well-chiselled images of wartime heroism, to resist the Nato
 onslaught.

 The fact is that the Serbs are a fighting people and the legitimacy of
 postwar Yugoslavia was built on the heroic hardiness of the partisan
 war against the Germans. In part the war stories are mythical. Tito,
 the communist partisan chief who became Yugoslav leader, inflated the
 number of war dead to 1.7 million in order to extract higher
 reparations. The partisan legend is also tainted somewhat by the
 fierce fighting between Tito's forces and the nationalist Chetniks
 loyal to King Peter. The Tito partisans formed the new political class
 after the war and naturally their fighting skills were exaggerated.

 But the Serbs were nonetheless formidable, holding down several
 divisions of German soldiers. Almost from the start of Germany's
 occupation of Serbia, southeastern Europe was a drain on Hitler's
 army. And the Serbs paid in blood.

 The German attack on Serbia in April 1941 deployed 600 bomber and
 combat aircraft. Belgrade was set ablaze. More people were killed than
 in all the earlier bombings of Warsaw, Coventry and Rotterdam.

 When two SS men were killed, German soldiers rounded up 36 civilians,
 hanged half and shot the rest. By July 1941 52 "communists and Jews"
 were shot as punishment for an attempted assassination of a general.
 By September 1941 General Wilhelm Keitel declared that "the execution
 of 50 to 100 communists is appropriate for the taking of one German
 soldier's life". That was a symptom of German panic. After the
 relatively smooth occupation of Western Europe, the Germans were not
 ready for the toughness of the Balkans; the war against the Soviet
 Union had begun and there was no patience for the Serbian sideshow.
 But railway lines were blown up and great swaths of the country fell
 under the control of the Chetniks of Draza Mihajlovic and later, the
 communist partisans under Tito.

 The British historian, Norman Davies, comments: "The fierce
 determination of the Yugoslav partisans to kill the invaders was only
 exceeded by their proclivity for killing each other." German garrisons
 came under siege, supply columns were ambushed. No soldier was safe
 off duty. Their bodies, faces mutilated, were dumped near the gates of
 barracks. The field correspondence of German soldiers shows that they
 lived in terror 

[CTRL] Serbian Cartoonist: Latest Report

1999-04-01 Thread Mack White

 -Caveat Lector-

NOTE:  Following is the latest report from Serbian cartoonist Sasa Rekazic
(aka Aleksandar Zograf), creator of Alas!, Life Under Sanctions, and
Psychonaut.  He has been witnessing the bombing of Pancevo by NATO and is
staying in contact with the international alternative comics community by
e-mail.

Mack White
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.swankarmy.net/dutch5/comixnow/

From: "Aleksandar Zograf" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sasa Rakezic
P.F.163
26000 Pancevo
Yugoslavia /Serbia/
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hello again -
The state of emergency in our town was announced by the sound of sirens
this morning, and late in the evening while I am writing this ( 11 PM) it
is still on... I was riding my bike today all over town, and haven't
noticed much people running to the shelter or something...
Yesterday early in the morning (about 3 AM) NATO airplans have bombed that
very same Utva Airplane Industry plant  in Pancevo, but this time, as they
reported,  with a new type of projectile - the one which goes UNDER the
ground when it reach the target... Does it means that they are actually
shooting something that is based under the ground there?
The euphoria caused by Serbian forces destroying a freshly designed
"invisible" NATO aircraft F-117 A is still evident. The aircraft felt in
the fields near the small village in a province of Vojvodina, which was
probably the most important event that ever happened in that place... Today
on the national
Tv they  showed a couple of Gypsies taking the pieces of that famous plane
to a scrap metal...
I'm still just drawing sketches for the future comic story which will be
based  on all that we are going through... I hope that later I will have
the time to develope it all and do the drawings  in more relaxed
atmosphere...
Also, I would like to invite the cartoonists worldwide, to send me your
short stories (in English, preferably) about how YOU see the hypothetical
bombing of the town where you are living. Send photocopies only, on the
address above... I guess that if you try to imagine this  event happening
to you, maybe you can understand how we feel at the moment, and you can
share and learn from that experience in a way... What do you think about
this idea? Also, I hope that some of  the publishers will be interested to
publish that sort of the material?
Back to reality, I was thinking about all those different types of
projectiles running all over this country  past week... A woman from a near
by village has told a friend of mine that during the first night of the
bombings she went to her own backyard and saw the strangest sight:
projectile running a dozens of meters above her head, like a flashing
cometh, heading it's way to Pancevo... And all that in a quiet village in
the plains near the sleepy town where nothing really happened for
decades... It was so fantasmagorical.
As if they have read my yesterday's  letter where I mentioned that it is
hard to explain to the children what is going on, the local radio (Radio
Pancevo) started to play every now and them an instruction to the parents
about how to relate to their children during this bombing crisis...
See you in my mind's eye
Sasa

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[CTRL] Death sparks conspiracy theory

1999-04-01 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
http://www.post-gazette.com/regionstate/19990314suicide1.asp
A HREF="http://www.post-gazette.com/regionstate/19990314suicide1.asp"Death
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Death sparks conspiracy theory

Sunday, March 14, 1999

By Dennis B. Roddy, Post-Gazette Staff Writer

A former Army intelligence officer shot himself to death last month in a
restroom outside conservative philanthropist and publisher Richard
Mellon Scaife's Downtown offices, and Scaife has assigned a private
investigator to determine whether the incident was a bungled
assassination attempt.

pix
 Steven R. Kangas

Steven R. Kangas died in the late hours of Monday, Feb. 8, on the 39th
floor of One Oxford Centre.

The shooting of the 37-year-old Las Vegas man attracted little attention
at the time, and Pittsburgh police and the Allegheny County coroner's
office quickly ruled it a suicide.

Since then, though, the Internet has churned with speculation about
Kangas. Some Web theorists have drawn parallels to the 1993 death of
White House Deputy Counsel Vincent Foster, whose apparent suicide Scaife
has openly questioned, calling it "the Rosetta Stone" of the Clinton
administration.

For the past month, according to Kangas' friends and family, Mississippi
private investigator Rex Armistead has traveled the country, trying to
learn what interest Kangas might have had in Scaife.

Kangas had recently sold his share of a gambling business in Las Vegas,
and he ran the "Liberalism Resurgent" page on the World Wide Web. The
page published extensive criticism of conservatives, and some of its
writings asserted that Scaife was the financier of a right-wing
conspiracy to topple President Clinton.

According to a city police report, One Oxford Centre building engineer
Don Adams was making a routine check of electrical circuit breakers in
the men's room down the hall from the Scaife foundation offices when he
found Kangas lying face up, his head protruding from beneath a toilet
stall.

Police said Adams left the restroom to radio for help, and when he
returned with a colleague a minute later, they found Kangas seated on
the toilet, slumped over after apparently shooting himself in the head.
Police and security guards found a 9 mm pistol Kangas had bought two
weeks earlier in Las Vegas, along with at least 47 rounds of ammunition
in his backpack and one of his pockets.

Police also found a nearly empty bottle of Jack Daniels whiskey and
three books, including "Mein Kampf" by Adolf Hitler.

An autopsy by the Allegheny County coroner's office determined that
Kangas died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head. A toxicology
test set his blood-alcohol level at 0.14 - above the state's threshold
of 0.1 for being too intoxicated to drive.

Kangas' parents say they have attempted to figure out why their son,
whose military career included stints in Central America and Berlin
during the latter days of the Cold War, would have gone to Pittsburgh,
apparently with no credit cards and only $14.63 in his pocket, to kill
himself.

Scaife is one of three tenants on the 39th floor, a location he
specifically requested when he moved his family foundations and personal
offices there several years ago. Also on the floor are Staley Capital
Advisers and the law offices of T.W. Henderson.

Henderson yesterday said he heard nothing further about the suicide
after it was reported and knew nothing about Kangas. Receptionists at
Staley Capital referred all inquiries to One Oxford Centre management.

"We're as baffled as anybody else," said Robert Esh, Kangas' father, who
said his son had changed his name six years ago from Esh to Kangas, his
mother's maiden name.

  pix
  Richard Mellon Scaife

"We have no earthly idea why he would be up there."

Esh and Kangas' mother, Jan Lankheet, are divorced. He lives in South
Carolina, and she resides in a small town in Michigan.

Both said they had no idea their son had bought a gun and learned of it
only after his suicide. Then they discovered he had ordered a burglar
alarm for his Las Vegas apartment.

"Steve was totally nonviolent. He didn't even believe in guns. It looks
like he was running scared, and we don't know why," Esh said.

Scaife hired Armistead to find out whether Kangas had gone to One Oxford
Centre with plans to confront or attack the billionaire because of
Scaife's financial backing of conservative groups that have attacked
Clinton.

One of those organizations, The American Spectator magazine, received
more than $1.8 million for the so-called "Arkansas Project," which
sought to find evidence linking Clinton to drugs and also looked into
the Foster suicide.

The magazine also uncovered allegations concerning Paula Corbin Jones.
It was Jones' sex-harassment lawsuit against Clinton that eventually led
to revelations of the president's sexual liaison with former White House
intern Monica Lewinsky.

Published reports have said Armistead played a role in the Arkansas
Project, and a federal grand 

[CTRL] OEN 4/1/99 - Washington Gripped by Fear of Failure

1999-04-01 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
http://www.aci.net/kalliste/
A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe/A
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Kosovo/Vietnam

Washington Gripped by Fear of Failure

How about some tanks? They did the job in Waco.

The humanitarian cruise missiles haven't alleviated the famine.

DARK foreboding about the Balkans conflict settled on Washington
yesterday as worries increased that President Clinton is bogged down in
a war he cannot stop and lacks the will to win.
Amid reports that Nato was running out of air-launched cruise missiles,
the White House struggled to persuade an increasingly sceptical public
that it is in control of the situation and that the allies are genuinely
united. Joe Lockhart, the White House spokesman, said: "There is
unanimous support in Nato for moving forward our systematic air
campaign, and that's what we are doing."

The alliance pressed on with attacks against Yugoslavia, although there
was no sign after a week of bombing that the Serbs were reducing the
intensity of ethnic cleansing in Kosovo. Poor weather again hindered
planes from hitting Serb military units carrying out atrocities.

The imminent cruise missile shortage was a major embarrassment for the
allies. While the United States navy has 2,500 cruises with conventional
warheads, the air force has only 100 left. It is urgently seeking £30
million from Congress to convert nuclear cruise missiles for
conventional tactical use against the Serbs.

But Tony Blair insisted in the Commons that there would be no early end
to the Nato assaults. He said the alliance would "finish the job" after
increasing the range of its targets to include all elements of what he
called "the Serb killing machine".

The Prime Minister told MPs that air strikes against President
Milosevic's forces were being stepped up. He said: "That is what is
happening now - today. These attacks being carried out on the actual
troops repressing the people in Kosovo will inflict real damage to
Milosevic's tanks, artillery and the thugs carrying out this killing and
repression in Kosovo."

Evidence of the worsening situation in the province emerged when Germany
said that it had credible accounts of the Serbs setting up concentration
camps in Kosovo. The German defence minister, Rudolf Scharping, said
that Serb troops and paramilitaries were rounding up youths and men and
murdering or interning them.

Nato sources said the Serbs had also begun destroying historical records
and archives belonging to the ethnic Albanian population of Kosovo.
Jamie Shea, the alliance's chief spokesman, said: "This is a kind of
Orwellian scenario of attempting to deprive a people and a culture of
the sense of past and the sense of community on which it depends."

As thousands of ethnic Albanian refugees continued to flow into
neighbouring Albania and Macedonia, United Nations officials issued a
warning of the starvation threat to displaced people still in the
province. Catherine Bertini, head of the UN World Food Programme, said:
"People in Kosovo who are cut off from food cannot live for long. It's
impossible for us to reach them at the moment." The American State
Department is sending an initial £15 million in aid to the UN High
Commission for Refugees.

The state of confusion in Washington over the conduct of the war was
evident. Some officials said that ethnic cleansing had been expected and
others said it was a surprise. Others said that the air war to protect
the Kosovars was going according to plan, while the Pentagon admitted
that it had failed to stop a single act of terror.

Officials from Nato member states played down reports of disputes over
which Yugoslav targets to hit and whether Gen Wesley Clark, Nato's
supreme commander, had been overruled in his plan to bomb the defence
and interior ministries in Belgrade. But disgruntled voices are emerging
in Nato and the focus of the American media on scepticism, splits and
misgivings is a grave concern to Mr Clinton's poll-driven
administration.

The former secretary of state, Jeane Kirkpatrick, and former defence
secretary Frank Carlucci, members of President Reagan's Cabinet, called
for ground forces to halt the Serbs and create havens for ethnic
Albanians in Kosovo. Washington insists that it has no plans to use
ground troops and there is certainly no sign of mobilisation.

John Bolton, a foreign policy scholar at the American Enterprise
Institute, accused the American planners of incompetence. He said: "You
ask them what they will do if bombing does not achieve their goals and
they don't know - they don't know."

Nato sources said that 30 Yugoslav aircraft had been destroyed and that
serious damage had been done to the air defence network. The Belgrade
headquarters of the Special Unit Corps, the Yugoslav equivalent of the
British SAS, has also been attacked. But there was still apparent
reluctance to use jets at low level to attack Serb tanks and artillery
because of the increased risk to the pilots.

* A 

[CTRL] Kosovo Anonymizer, Links and an IDEA for PEACE . . .?

1999-04-01 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
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A HREF="http://info.anonymizer.com/kosovo.shtml"Anonymizer/A
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Here's an idea. Let's TRANSCEND the GOVERNMENT and let us, THE people start a
dialoge with Serbs and then through the INTERNET bring about PEACE.  . . .

Om
K
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Re: [CTRL] Kosovo Anonymizer, Links and an IDEA for PEACE . . .?

1999-04-01 Thread Hilary A. Thomas

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[CTRL] FW: [Patriot_Net] !! FOX NEWS THURSDAY -- PASS THIS ON!!!

1999-04-01 Thread Peter L. Sroufe

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"If a President of the United States ever lied to the American people, he
should resign."
Bill Clinton, July 1974


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former US Ambassador to China James Lilley, John Fund, columnist
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[CTRL] [22] America's Secret Establishment

1999-04-01 Thread Kris Millegan

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an excerpt from:
America's Secret Establishment
An introduction to The Order of Skull  Bones
by ANTONY C. SUTTON
Liberty House Press
2027 Iris
Billings, Montana 59102
1986
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Highly recommended. There is more in this book than can be presented here.
Many charts and reproductions of original source material. As always, Caveat
Lector.

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Om
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   Memorandum Number Three: Thesis -
 The Order Creates The Soviet Union

   In an earlier book, published in 1974, we presented major evidence of
Wall Street assistance for the Bolshevik Revolution. This assistance was
mainly cash, guns and ammunition, and diplomatic support in London
and Washington, D.C. Wall Street And The Bolshevik Revolution also
introduced the concept which Quigley described, i.e., that Morgan and
other financial interests financed and influenced all parties from left to
right in the political spectrum.

  This Memorandum continues the story, but now links The Order to the
earlier evidence of Wall Street involvement.

  On the following pages we reproduce a map of the Wall Street area and a list
of firms connected with the Bolshevik Revolution and financing
of Hitler located in this area. We can now identify the influence, in fact
 the dominant influence, of The Order in these firms.

  Revolutionary activity was centered at Equitable Trust Building, 120
Broadway, in the building in the photograph on page 139. This had
been E.H. Harriman's address. The American International Corpora-
tion was located at 120 Broadway. The Bankers' Club, where Wall
Street bankers met for lunch, was at the very top of the building. It was
in this plush club that plans were laid by William Boyce Thompson for
Wall Street participation in the 1917 Russian Revolution. Guaranty
Securities was in 120 Broadway, while Guaranty Trust was next door at
140 Broadway (the building can be seen to the left of 120).

I. THE ORDER PUSHES FOR ASSISTANCE TO THE SOVIET ARMY

  Fortunately we have a copy of the memorandum written by a member
of The Order, summarizing intentions for the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution.
The memorandum was written by Thomas D. Thacher (The Order '04)
a partner in the Wall Street law firm of Simpson, Thacher  Bartlett.
Thacher's address was 120 Broadway. Today this law firm, now in Bat-
tery Plaza, has the largest billing on Wall Street and has former Secretary of
State Cyrus Vance (Scroll  Key) as a partner.

  In 1917 Thacher was in Russia with William Boyce Thompson's Red
Cross Mission. After consultations in New York, Thacher was then sent to
London to confer with Lord Northcliffe about the Bolshevik Revolution
and then to Paris for similar talks with the French Government.

 The Thacher memorandum not only urges recognition of the barely
surviving Soviet Government, which in early 1918 controlled only a very
small portion of Russia, but also military, assistance for the Soviet Army
and intervention to keep the Japanese out of Siberia until the Bolsheviks
could take over.

  New York Headquarters For Revolution:
  120 Broadway.
[picture of building]

 FIRMS WITH LINKS TO THE ORDER AT, OR NEAR, 120 BROADWAY IN 1917

120 Broadway Edward H. Harriman (before his death)
 59 Broadway  W.A. Harriman Company
120 Broadway American International Corporation
 23 Wall   J.P. Morgan firm
120 Broadway Federal Reserve Bank of New York
120 Broadway Bankers Club (top floor)
120 Broadway Thomas D. Thacher (of Simpson, Thacher 
Bartlett)
 14 Wall  William Boyce Thompson
120 Broadway Guggenheim  Exploration
 15 Broad Stetson, Jennings  Russell
120 Broadway C.A.K. Martens-of Weinberg  Posner (the first
 Soviet "ambassador")
110 W.40th St.   Soviet Bureau
 60 Broadway Amos Pinchot's office
120 Broadway Stone  Webster
120 Broadway General Electric
120 Broadway Sinclair Gulf Corp.
120 Broadway Guaranty Securities
140 Broadway Guaranty Trust Company
233 Broadway Anglo-Russian Chamber of Commerce

INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS OF THE ORDER AT 120 Broadway:
George Webster Adams (The Order '04)
Allen Wallace Ames (The Order '18)
Philip Lyndon Dodge (The Order '07)


  Here are the main sections from the Thacher memorandum:

   "First of all . . . the Allies should discourage Japanese intervention
   in Siberia. In the second place, the fullest assistance should be
   given to the Soviet government in its efforts to organize a
   volunteer revolutionary army. Thirdly, the Allied Governments
   should give their moral support to the Russian people in their ef-
   forts to work out their own political systems free from the domina-
   tion of any foreign power . . . Fourthly, until the time when open
   conflict shall result between the German 

[CTRL] Fwd: Wired with DNA

1999-04-01 Thread Kris Millegan





Study: DNA Conducts Electricity

By JEFF BARNARD
.c The Associated Press

Strands of DNA might someday be used as wires in computer chips and
transistors, researchers reported today in the journal Nature.

Hans-Werner Fink and Christian Schoenenberger of the University of Basel in
Switzerland found that DNA conducts electricity as well as a good
semiconductor. A semiconductor carries electricity better than an insulator
but not as well as a conductor like copper.

If DNA strands could be made with a switch to turn the current flowing through
them on and off, they could be used to build extremely tiny electrical
devices, the researchers said.

Fink said he knows of no metallic wires that can be made as small or as
regular as DNA strands. A strand is 2 billionths of a meter thick, or one-
forty-four-thousandths of the diameter of a medium-size human hair.

DNA strands might even be able to wire themselves together.

Molecules at the end of DNA strands will link themselves to certain other
molecules, so it might be possible to create a wiring grid by laying down
these target molecules as terminals and letting the DNA strands attach
themselves, the researchers said.

Gary Schuster, a chemistry professor at the Georgia Institute of Technology,
said he suspects electrons flow through DNA much differently than in a wire.
And whether the research will lead to a practical use of DNA as wiring he
called ``a wide-open question.''




[CTRL] Fwd: Ca. Prisons Overpopulated by 2001

1999-04-01 Thread Kris Millegan





Calif. Prison Will Be Full By 2001

By STEVE GEISSINGER
.c The Associated Press

TRACY, Calif. (AP) -- They sleep nearly head-to-toe, sit elbow-to-elbow to use
the toilet and wait in lines even for water. They swelter in summer and freeze
in winter.

They are prisoners, sullen young men who mill about in the dim light of a
converted gym, wandering along narrow aisles between rows of bunk-beds stacked
two and three high.

``It's unconstitutional,'' said Rafael Harper, a 38-year-old drug offender
built like a heavyweight boxer. ``It's very crowded. You can't hardly move
around. In the bathrooms, your buttocks are bumping each other.''

This is the prison at the Deuel Vocational Institute, a ``temporary''
conversion of a dingy, half-century-old gym that has housed prisoners for more
than a decade.

It is close to bursting, a symbol of a state prison system that is the
nation's largest with 160,000 inmates.

Robert Presley, Gov. Gray Davis' new cabinet secretary for prisons, knows
exactly when the state's rising inmate population will outstrip available
space.

``April 2001,'' he said. ``By then, we will have exhausted every cranny and
nook.''

Although a slowing crime rate has eased inmate growth, Presley has warned
lawmakers that state prisons are approaching ``critical mass.''

``This is a time to take a critical look at all facets of the correctional
system. This is a good time to consider alternatives,'' he said.

Presley says he will try to reduce recidivism among the 110,000 supervised
parolees by expanding drug treatment programs and boosting educational
opportunities for inmates.

The inmate population in California increased sixfold in the 1980s and early
1990s thanks to stricter sentencing laws. At the same time, the prison system
nearly tripled, from 12 to 33 facilities.

California spent more than $5 billion in an unprecedented attempt to build its
way out of the overcrowding problem. Voters approved about half the money and
the rest was covered by bonds.

When voters stopped approving prison bonds in 1990, Republican Gov. Pete
Wilson deadlocked with Democratic leaders over expensive new construction.

Now the burden falls on Davis, a Democrat who is still forming his policies,
and the Democratic-controlled Legislature. The dilemma is whether to build
more prisons or possibly be forced in two years to release felons.

Advocates of social change see an opportunity at hand.

``Prison should not be the catchall solution to all of the social problems
that we have -- to mental illness, to homelessness, to lack of health care, to
the lack of education,'' says Angela Davis, a former '60s militant turned
prison reformer.

Still, Assemblyman Bill Leonard, a Republican, has introduced a $4 billion
prison construction bond measure that would go before California voters in
March 2000.

``I'm very concerned,'' Leonard said. ``We will have court orders when we
reach full capacity that would entail release of violent felons.''

Construction to relieve crowding, even if approved, would take three to four
years and must be combined with social reforms to reduce the number of
inmates, legislative analysts warn.

In the meantime, prison officials are using every cranny they can find for
inmates, creating a volatile atmosphere in a system already plagued by
violence.

In the converted gym near Tracy, 60 miles east of San Francisco, TV cameras
and razor-wire haven't prevented fistfights among the inmates, who swell to
more than 600 by the evening count.

``When it's crowded like this, the potential for anything to happen is that
much worse,'' said Glenn Schmidt, 37, a convicted burglar.

Added Rene Gallegos, a slight 24-year-old drug offender wearing prison blues:
``We're human beings. We can't be living like savages. That's what it's coming
to.''







[CTRL] Mae Brussel

1999-04-01 Thread William Hugh Tunstall

 -Caveat Lector-

I would appreciate any information that anyone has on famed conspiracy
researcher, Mae Brussel, who, if I'm not mistaken, like Steve Kangas died
under mysterious circumstances.  Didn't a fire occur at her apartment,
destroying all of her research materials?

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Re: [CTRL] Mae Brussel

1999-04-01 Thread Kenn Thomas

 -Caveat Lector-

Mae Brussell, died in three weeks of a fast-acting cancer in Carmel, California at
the age of 66, on October 3, 1988. She had just left her radio show of 17 years
after receiving a death threat and having her home broken into. (Radio talk show
host Art Bell followed a similar pattern, dropping out of his program after
receiving a still unidentified threat. He returned in two weeks, however. Mae
Brussell never came back.) At the time, Brussell had taught the only accredited
course on conspiracy in the country, was listed in the International Who's Who of
Intellectuals and had just received the George Seldes Award from the American
Society of Journalists, bringing a whole new level of credibility to parapolitical
research. Also at the time, she was investigating followers of Satanic cults in
the military.

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[CTRL] Yugoslavia and the NWO

1999-04-01 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
http://www.onebm.com/golem/serb.html
A HREF="http://www.onebm.com/golem/serb.html"THE PROBLEM IS MIROSEVIC, IT IS
THE NWO/A
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The propaganda emanating from Washington blames Mirosevic for being
intractable at the negotiating table, yet Mirosevic never refused to
sign an autonomy agreement with the Kosovars, so long as it would not
lead to independence and he would not agree to have foreign troops on
their soil. That was his position and regardless whether one supports
Mirosevic politically the Serbs are behind his resolve because that is
the will of the Serbian People.

Who does Mirosevic listen to? He listens to his inner council of about
15, but his chief adviser is his devoted wife, Mira Markovic. And, he
listens to the Serbs.

Unemployment is at 25% of the workforce. The economy is bad, the result
of IMF impositions which is driving Yugoslavia into bankruptcy.

The "Rambouillet" agreement is a model for colonial administration and
military occupation pretty much in line with the same colonial
administration the Dayton agreement imposed on Bosnia.

Mirosevic has amassed 40,000 Serb troops along the borders. Clinton
said: "If we and our allies do not have the will to act, there will be
more massacres," BUT, because of Clinton's actions, there are going to
be massacres.

Clinton's rationale is the same used in Vietnam, to bomb them into
submission

The K.L.A. is a guerrilla army whose own brutality, killing hundreds of
Serb security forces in sniper attacks and ambushes precipitated the
crackdown which took place in Kosovo and the K.L.A. is funded by
millions of dollars in smuggling and drugs from the infamous "Balkan"
connection, which comprises 90% of Europe's heroin. The K.L.A. are
terrorists who target civilians as well as patriots and Serbian police.

What about an exit strategy for NATO? When asked that question by a
reporter, Clinton said: "The exit strategy's what it's always been in a
military operation. It's when the mission is completed." So, what is the
mission? I'll tell you what it is.

This is no natural disaster. Unrest was fueled after Tito's death when
Albanian demonstrations began and in 1989 Milosevic sent in soldiers, an
emergency was declared and Kosovo's prerogatives under the old
federation were removed, but unrest is far more complex than just ethnic
chauvinism and nationalism.

It was from the summer of 1996 onwards that stepped up terrorist
activities began in the province and the Kosovo Liberation Army emerged
from the shadows.

The real issue is macro-economic policy


"Macro-economic reforms imposed by Belgrade's external creditors since
the late 1980s had been carefully synchronised with NATO's military and
intelligence operations." (Covert Action Quarterly, Spring 1996, No. 56
 "Globalisation of Poverty", chapter 13 - by Michel Chossudovsky of the
Department of Economics, University of Ottawa)

"In Kosovo, the economic reforms were conducive to the concurrent
impoverishment of both the Albanian and Serbian populations contributing
to fueling ethnic tensions. The deliberate manipulation of market forces
destroyed economic activity and people's livelihood creating a situation
of social despair..." [IBID]

"In parallel with the destruction of federal Yugoslavia, similar
macro-economic reforms under IMF auspices were imposed on Albania with
devastating economic and social consequences. The plight of Albania
culminating with the West's military intervention in 1997" [IBID]

The official government Washington line and the media tells us that this
chaos is entirely in response to an outbreak of ethnic cleansing,
massacres, human rights violations, oppression of one people by another
- or more succinctly the governments, who are part of NATO and
specifically the United States and Britain would have us believe that
NATO is there because of a _tyranical_ Mirosevic. In a way, Mirosevic is
a puppet also, responsive to the will of the Serbians. Ask them. They
can't understand why we cannot understand what is being done to them.

Public opinion has been manipulated to believe in the "conventional
wisdom" which is very conventional, but it is often a superficial wisdom
which only masquarades as convention wisdom.

The government, who are controlled by corporations who in turn control
the way we think and use the media as their tool would have us believe
we are there because of nationalism and ethnic and religious hatred, and
moreover especially because of the political _personality_ of Mr.
Mirosevic.

And as Chossudovsky points out in his analysis, what is hidden to most,
what is unknown to most, what is basic, yet undiscovered by most in the
"barrage of images and self-serving analysies" are the "real causes,"
which is the "deep-seated economic crisis which precipitates the civil
war."

Chosudovsky writes:


"The strategic interests of Germany and the US in laying the groundwork
for 

Re: [CTRL] BSE (Mad Cow)- France: Zoo animals

1999-04-01 Thread Amelia Kay Edgeman

 -Caveat Lector-

Also chichen feed plus the Lancet medical journal in England ran an
articlethat American chicken feed has two strains of drug resistant
bacteria.  They maybe angry that we don't want their beef.  Thanks for
the info on the Pet Feed.  I love my pets!  May have to feed them people
food but can't afford it for outside dogs.  They are too large.  Doesn't
the prion just effect same species?  Like cows eating food with cows
recycled into it; chickens eating chickens? i don't think they would
recycle dogs and cats but might put recycle-fed chickens into it.  But
then that is in our food, too.  I love meat but my goal is to become
vegan.  I could raise my own but it is too much work and how would you
know a new calf, chick, goat kid wasn't infected at birth?
Amelia

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[CTRL] Pine Gap and Yugoslavia

1999-04-01 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
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A HREF="http://www.octa4.net.au/marlinw/"http://www.octa4.net.au/marlinw/
/A

also, you may want to go to; it's a gif.file:
Pine Gap and Yugoslavia
http://www.octa4.net.au/marlinw/yugoslavia.htm
A HREF="http://www.octa4.net.au/marlinw/yugoslavia.htm"Pine Gap and
Yugoslavia/A
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The Facts revealed about the "top secret" U.S. Defence Installation
known as Pine Gap, located near Alice Springs in Central Australia.

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rumours of Cranial Implants, Nuclear and Biological Weaponary and the
contravention of human rights, just to name a few. Perhaps the most
recent rumour is that of Area 51 of Nevada U.S.A., supposedly being
relocated to Pine Gap.

These rumours and gossip are annoying for local Alice Springs Residents.
Alice Springs is my home. For me, I get annoyed at reading or hearing of
things that Pine Gap is allegedly doing. There are so many Web pages
that boast of numerous supposed UFO sightings over Alice Springs and
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Re: [CTRL] Mae Brussel

1999-04-01 Thread William Hugh Tunstall

 -Caveat Lector-

Thank you, Kenn for the response.  I've been trying to find
information on her on the net...so far, without too much success.
I think it's important for us to keep alive the memory of those conspiracy
researchers whose pursuit of the truth has cost them their lives.  We
rightly build monuments to honor our war dead...I would like to see the
same respect paid to individuals like Casolero and Brussel (and so many
others) who are also heroes  I know it's been said that the truth can
set you free.obviously, the pursuit of the truth can also lead to
one's death.


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On Thu, 1 Apr 1999, Kenn Thomas wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 Mae Brussell, died in three weeks of a fast-acting cancer in Carmel, California at
 the age of 66, on October 3, 1988. She had just left her radio show of 17 years
 after receiving a death threat and having her home broken into. (Radio talk show
 host Art Bell followed a similar pattern, dropping out of his program after
 receiving a still unidentified threat. He returned in two weeks, however. Mae
 Brussell never came back.) At the time, Brussell had taught the only accredited
 course on conspiracy in the country, was listed in the International Who's Who of
 Intellectuals and had just received the George Seldes Award from the American
 Society of Journalists, bringing a whole new level of credibility to parapolitical
 research. Also at the time, she was investigating followers of Satanic cults in
 the military.

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[CTRL] Billions of Taxpayers Dollars Wasted

1999-04-01 Thread Gavin Phillips

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In a message dated 99-04-01 05:18:07 EST, you write:

 //www.cnnfn.com/hotstories/washun/9903/31/gao/

 Washington loses $1.8 trillion

  Congressional audit finds
  government can't account for
  how it spent money

  March 31, 1999: 1:23 p.m. ET


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The federal
government can't account for how it spent
more than $1.8 trillion in fiscal year
1998, according to a government audit
released Wednesday by a Congressional
committee.
  "Once again, billions of taxpayer
dollars were lost to waste, fraud and
mismanagement," said Rep. Stephen
Horn, R-Calif., chairman of the House
Government Reform and Oversight
subcommittee on government
management, information and technology.
  Of the 24 largest federal agencies, 17
submitted the required report. Five of
those received a failing grade and six
received "D"s for their handling of
taxpayer dollars. Only two agencies got
"A"s -- NASA and the National Science
Foundation. Seven agencies still have not
submitted a report at all.
  The General Accounting Office
prepared the audit for Rep. Horn's
committee under requirement of the
Government Management Reform Act of
1994.
 ***

 http://www.cnnfn.com/hotstories/washun/9903/01/irs/index.htm

 GAO: IRS can't count beans

  GAO says Internal Revenue
  Service can't balance its books

  March 1, 1999: 4:14 p.m. ET

NEW YORK (CNNfn) - The
bean-counters at the Internal Revenue
Service cannot balance their own books,
a government investigator said Monday
  Gregory Kutz, an associate director
with the General Accounting Office, said
"said serious internal control and
financial management issues continue to
plague" the IRS.
  Kutz made his comments before the
House Government Reform Committee's
panel on government management and
discussed a GAO audit of the IRS's
financial statements for fiscal year 1998.
  The GAO report found that weaknesses
in the design and operation of the IRS's
financial management systems, accounting
procedures, documentation,
record-keeping and internal controls. The
IRS could not reconcile its fund balance
to Treasury records during fiscal year
1998, the report said.
  The agency's computer system is not
secure, Kutz said, "and may allow
unauthorized individuals to access, alter
or abuse proprietary IRS programs and
data, and taxpayer information."
  The agency paid out more than $17
million in alleged fraudulent refunds in
the first nine months of 1998, the GAO
report said, and was also unable to keep
track of such items as a Chevrolet Blazer
and a $300,000 laser printer.
  The report found that hundreds of
millions of dollars receipts, in the form
of checks -- and in one case, cash -- were
transported from IRS field offices to
financial institutions by unarmed couriers
who often used unmarked civilian
vehicles, including, in one case, a
bicycle.
  "Many of these problems will take
years to correct," Kutz said. "They
represent serious agencywide financial
and other management challenges that
will require a substantial commitment of
resources, time, effort and expertise to
correct."
  Donna Cunninghame, IRS chief
financial officer, testified that she was
"deeply disappointed that we failed to
meet our obligations."
  "This is unacceptable to the IRS, to the
Congress and to the taxpayers we serve,"
she said.
  "The IRS must work every day to earn
the trust of the American public,"
Cunninghame said. "To do that, I pledge
to you today that we will 

[CTRL] Japan says spy ships were North Korean, formally protests

1999-04-01 Thread Kris Millegan

 -Caveat Lector-

from:
http://www.boston.com/dailynews2/089/world/Japan_says_spy_ships_were_Nort:.sht
ml
A HREF="http://www.boston.com/dailynews2/089/world/Japan_says_spy_ships_were_
Nort:.shtml"Boston.com / Latest News / World / Japan says s /A
-
Japan says spy ships were North Korean, formally protests

By Chester Dawson, Associated Press, 03/30/99 13:00

TOKYO (AP) - Japan accused North Korea of sending spy ships into its
territorial waters last week and submitted a formal letter of protest
Tuesday to diplomats of the reclusive communist state.

The announcement marked the first public statement from Tokyo confirming
speculation the mysterious pair of ships were North Korean, though Japan
had previously noted they had fled toward a military port in North
Korea.

Terming the incursion ''regrettable,'' the government's top spokesman
said Japanese diplomats in Beijing and New York have been instructed to
lodge a protest with North Korean officials.

The two neighboring countries have no diplomatic relations.

''The government has determined that the vessels were North Korean spy
ships,'' said the spokesman, Chief Cabinet Secretary Hiromu Nonaka.

The Japanese Embassy in Beijing sent a protest letter to North Korea's
diplomatic mission in China later Tuesday, Kyodo News reported, citing
embassy officials.

Tokyo has been unhappy with Pyonyang's response to a demand that it turn
over the unidentified ships, both of which bore false Japanese names.

North Korea says it had nothing to do with the ships and has accused
Japan of fabricating the incident to rally parliamentary support for new
bills aimed at increasing Japan's regional military role.

But Japanese officials say they will continue pressing for the return of
the rogue vessels.

''We are seeking a response through different channels, but the reaction
from North Korea has been far from sincere, far from satisfactory,''
said Akitaka Saiki, a spokesman for the prime minister.

The boats were spotted off Japan's western coast early last week and
were chased through Japanese waters for about 24 hours.

Their refusal to halt led to the firing of warning shots and a Cabinet
decision to send in naval destroyers for their first maritime pursuit in
the postwar era.

The incident came days after Japan's Parliament began debate on bills to
bolster the country's military alliance with the United States. Ruling
party officials have said the incursion demonstrates the need for quick
passage of the legislation as well as taking steps to improve national
defense.



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Re: [CTRL] Mae Brussel

1999-04-01 Thread Kenn Thomas

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My recent lectures involve mysterious researcher deaths and the technology of
assassination, with due honor going to Mae and Casolaro for their bravery and 
sacrifice.
I have been compiling a new anthology on the Gemstone File, with previously unavailable
Brussell material. It will include the full Kiwi Genstone and the Com-12 Briefing, 
which
together establish the connection between Brussell and Casolaro.

kt

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[CTRL] Moyers' show: The Secret Govt disappears

1999-04-01 Thread Kris Millegan

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A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy.spy:908"Moyers' show: "The Secret
Govt" disappears/A
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Subject: Moyers' show: "The Secret Govt" disappears
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Date: Fri, Mar 19, 1999 5:10 PM
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Some years ago Bill Moyers produced a show on PBS called "America in
Crisis:

The Secret Government."

This was a very accurate description of the activities of the CIA and
NSC in domestic and foreign policy that, essentially, short-circuited the
consititutional safeguards of oversight and accountability.

I wanted to get a copy of this tape to use in teaching my classes on
government, but found that NOBODY has a copy. PBS directed me to Bill
Moyers' production company, and they said they just do not have a
copy.

Forget about the usual stuff, this one is REAL conspiracy. Where did
those tapes go, and why did they go there?

Like I said, it was a very accurate description of what the CIA, NSC,
NSA, etc., have been up to. I considered it accurate because at one time I
worked with them, I saw things I knew about.

Anybody ever hear of this?

I can be reached at: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[CTRL] Media: Clowns Of The Circus

1999-04-01 Thread Kris Millegan

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A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.politics.org.cia:42373"Media:  Clowns Of The
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Subject: Media:  Clowns Of The Circus
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Here's some coverage you may have missed coming from the fine media
professionals.


A woman arriving in Macedonia.  "They said, 'Pay us 600 dollars to leave
or die!'"

[Now at the start of this war it had been stressed to us that "ethnic
Albanians" were very, VERY, poor.  Think Mexico with its elderly women
walking up and down the streets selling puppets on a stick.  Well, not so
poor, the equivalent of 600 dollars cash is a norm in their wallets.  I
doubt those Americans working on minimum wage have 600 dollars cash in
their wallets.  You pay it seems to go on the "forced march."]

Second woman arriving in Macedonia.  "It comes so unexpectedly and fast
(Leaving), I didn't even have time to put on my shoes."

[Now wait a minute, we were just told that to leave one must pay 600
dollars in a haggling experience.]

We are shown people walking down a train track.  It's shared at this time
that the "ethnic Albanians" DO have transportation to the border.  They
are riding on trains.  This train track "march" is a short distance walk.


[This explains people one can assess did not walk for "seventeen hours."]

The "ethnic Albanians" are shown trying to over run a gentleman handing
out cartons of milk.  He responds to the Albanian speaking people in
english, "Get back, there is enough for everyone!"  The crowd backs away.

[Okay, maybe one would find some Red Cross volunteers in Mexico speaking
in english though the people might not understand, but at the same time
it's now a possiblility that some of what we are shown is staged.  People
paid a few bucks to be a scene of "refugee's."]

We are told Macadonia sometimes does not accept the "ethnic Albanian"
refugee's and does reject them at the border.

[What?  These fine and wonderful, and saintly lambs being rejected?  This
isn't a wonderful experience having these mountain peasants come to town?
Bombs priced at a million each upwards on their behalf and Macedonia is
not beside itself to have these peasants join its society?  These time
capsule treasures rejected at the border?

We viewers have noticed the lack of average citizens in these border
area's.  One has the impression of people hiding in their homes with the
drapes closed and the doors locked.  H, everything not nailed down
being stolen by these fine mountain folk come to town?  Perhaps it's down
right terrifying to have these time capsules?]

"The refugee's flooding in are overwhelming the border villages!"

[Southern California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas experience higher
influx from South America, and have done so for years.]

A discussion of what services refugee's need and the speakers voice is
stressed a bit mentioning, "Personal hygiene."

[Oh, the stench of these fine European mountain folk a bit much?  Perhaps
noticing they are going potty anywhere it pleases themselves?  Stepping in
it?]

[Now here is some coverage we all really have missed.  We can see for
ourselves a lot of tree's are missing in the Balkans, and we haven't
noticed coverage on the destruction and damage of all these people, living
where that many ought not to be living.  We haven't seen that indepth
reporting on so many people all being small scale farmers up in the
forested mountains.  We can see that Yugoslavia like so many others are
building upwards not sideways over declining forests.

I gather the border villages are missing some tree's now?]

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[CTRL] Fwd: Day 9, Update 1 (Apr. 1; 11:00AM EST) - Special TiM GW Bulletin on Kosovo Crisis

1999-04-01 Thread Kris Millegan






FROM PHOENIX, ARIZONA

The Special "Kosovo Crisis" Truth in Media Global Watch Bulletins, such as
the one enclosed below, can also be accessed at our Web site:
www.truthinmedia.org which is being updated throughout the day.

DAY 9, UPDATE 1
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Apr. 1, 1999; 11:00AM EST

HEADLINES

Pristina:1. "Deadmen" Walking, Talking: Rugova Calls for
   NATO to Stop, Meets Milosevic

Washington:  2. NATO's Butchers Request More Killing Machines

Mexico City:  3. Mexico Condemns NATO's Bombing

Phoenix:4. Serbs Outnumbered 97-1 by NATO Countries!

Pristina:5. Illegal Immigration: Flip Side of "Ethnic Cleansing"
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1. "Deadmen" Walking, Talking: Rugova Calls for NATO to Stop, Meets Milosevic

PRISTINA, Apr. 1 - Remember those three "dead" Albanian leaders whom the
Serbs were supposed to have summarily executed, according to Bill Clinton's
"Lie and Deny" PR factory?  Guess what?  They are still walking and
talking, Reuters and the London Times have just reported (Mar. 31).

Fehmi Agani, a veteran politician who played a key role in the Rambouillet
peace talks, and Baton Haxhiu, the Koha Ditore newspaper editor-in-chief
who voiced the aspirations of his people, had not been executed as reported
by NATO on Monday (Mar. 29), Reuters said.

And Rugova, the only elected "president" of the Kosovo Albanians whom
Washington has been referring to all along as a "moderate," before alleging
that he had been killed and that Serbian forces had burned down his home,
told the London Times that the NATO strikes "must stop."

And today, Rugova was seen on Serb TV not only walking, but talking - with
none other than the Yugoslav president, Slobodan Milosevic, with whom he
met in Belgrade.  By joining hands in their call for cessation of NATO's
air strikes, the two leaders have removed even the last shred of legitimacy
from Washington's claim that they are somehow helping the Kosovo Albanians.

NATO bombing has been, is and continues to be a barbarous assault on
HUMANITY and on SOVEREIGNTY of a country which did us no harm.

Nevertheless, Bill Clinton vowed yesterday that there would be no Easter
break in the NATO bombing raid on Serb targets despite a plea by Pope John
Paul II.  "I hate the idea of having to continue this campaign during this
period, but I hate more the idea that we would walk away from this campaign
while (Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic) continues to clean out house
after house and village after village after village and kill a lot of
innocent people," Clinton said in a CBS television interview.

Well, now that the Albanian leader has "risen from the dead" to join
worldwide calls for an end to this madness, wonder what Clinton's response
will be?  Send a Special Forces squad to Pristina to assassinate Rugova?
For, surely, he can no longer kill the truth about himself - that "Adolf
Clinton" is not only a confessed liar and adulterer, but also a murderer of
innocent people - Serb and Albanian alike.

(See the new photos of burning Pristina apartment buildings and a scene
from a hospital, which we've just added to our Web site).
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2. NATO Killers Request More Killing Machines

WASHINGTON - Apr. 1 - Washington and Brussels are starting to waiver in
their convictions that the air strikes alone will install NATO in Kosovo
before the Serb forces totally defeat the KLA terrorists.  So what's NATO's
answer?  Increase the bombing intensity to include civilian targets in
Belgrade in Pristina.  In other words, kill, kill, kill... That's not
policy, that's lunacy.  And murder.

Unperturbed, the NATO killers have requested more killing machines from the
member countries.  Gen. Wesley Clark has asked the U.S. to send five B-1
bombers five B-1 bombers capable of laying a carpet of 500-pound gravity
bombs on military bases and large troop concentrations, the Washington
Times reported today.  Britain is sending eight Tornado ground-attack
planes, Canada is transferring six CF-18 dual-role fighters, and France is
adding six Mirage 2000 fighters.

Gen. Clark also wants the US Navy to divert the carrier USS Theodore
Roosevelt to the Adriatic Sea. It is scheduled to relieve the USS
Enterprise now in the Persian Gulf watching Iraq.  The Pentagon is debating
whether to use the Army Apache, an attack helicopter that specializes in
nighttime tank killing.

Do you get the sense that we are dealing here with people who should be
locked up for life in some loony bin?  We do.
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3. Mexico Condemns NATO's Bombing

MEXICO CITY, Mar. 31 - Mexico's state-run news agency, Notimex, published
an editorial yesterday (Mar. 31) accusing NATO of violating international
law with its air strikes on Yugoslavia.

The attacks by NATO, which had a predominant contingent of U.S. forces,
lacked the approval of the United Nations Security Council, and were
unequivocal interventionism and inadmissible, Notimex said.

The US Air 

Re: [CTRL] COULD LEWIS CARROLL HAVE BEEN JACK THE RIPPER?

1999-04-01 Thread Colleen Jones

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Well, if you catch the last oct of Jack the ripper, and use the bible
code, it is the entire scene come to life.

Now the English Masons, were in an uproar; they had probably closed
ranks on this one...they all knew just like that Sheriff in Dallas,
that a masonic bible calendar code was being used.just as one looks
for a killer in the bible, J. Edgar Hoover used to look through his
files, knowing the killers had left their calling card in the bible.

It was not a case of monkey see, monkey do; and I guess, as Alan
Pinkertonit takes one to catch oneand consider most secet
societies are international and date back to the bibleyou will find
them all there within from the Knights of Malta, to the Sons of the
Prophet, to the Masons, and to the Illuminati, still sitting under the
apple tree in the Garden of Eden, having deposed God.

Guess I am the only one with this bible code or calendar, who is not
sworn to secrecy; because, the only thing I ever joined was the Democrat
Party (no longer a member) and the Girl Scouts (one week with them was
sheer hell), and the Camp Fire Girls (well, not as bad as the girl
scouts)my dream has always been to go to a monastery (not a
convent).and learn the secrets of the Jesuits  (just Masons of a
different stripe).

Colleen

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Re: [CTRL] COULD LEWIS CARROLL HAVE BEEN JACK THE RIPPER?

1999-04-01 Thread Amelia Kay Edgeman

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Colleen,
I hear referencs to the bible codes often.Is there a source for them?
Amelia

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Re: [CTRL] [piml] Art Bell Website Hacked by Yugoslavian Hackers!

1999-04-01 Thread Colleen Jones

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Hackers hell..this is an inside job if I ever saw one..

Where are we finding all these Yugoslavian Hackers who use such perfect
grammar and English..or American language, or whatever.well,
they either come of the Universities or of the CIA variety..

I might add - April 4 has always been a very bad day.its when King
and Moses climbed the mountain and were knocked offand I think they
brought in Howard Hughes, dead or alive.accompanied by 6 Mormans who
wrote his will.

Who is kidding who; tis is CIA operation here or it would not be so
obvious.

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Re: [CTRL] [piml] Art Bell Website Hacked by Yugoslavian Hackers!

1999-04-01 Thread Kathy Strucke

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In a message dated 4/1/1999 4:11:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,
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 Hackers hell..this is an inside job if I ever saw one..
 
This forwarded from another list:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (larry crowe jr.)

April Fools Prank

During the beginning hours of April 1st, we pulled an April Fools Prank
Hack on our own web site. Many of you were fooled, but we're here to
tell you it was indeed posted by us. The site did not get hacked by any
outside organization.


April 1st Joke?


The "Hack" seen on the Art Bell web  site was a April 1st prank by
myself and Keith Rowland, however it was also to make a point. Though I
do not agree in any way with what the Serbs are REPORTED to be doing, it
is none of our damn business.
The U.N. MIGHT make a case for intervention when one Nation invades
another, as a Libertarian, even that causes me pause. To bomb until the
Serbs agree to change their internal policy is folly. Will we bomb for a
few more days, weeks, months? Will we declare victory if they agree to
talk? Will that end differences that have been festering longer then we
have been a Nation? Is this the "NEW WORLD ORDER"? I want no part of it.
If we must act beyond our own borders, then let us help those displaced
by the madness. The real flow of refugees did not begin until our
"goodwill bombing" began. Is our next act to be American troops on the
ground? Would you see your Son or Daughter die to change attitudes in
Serbia?
If War is to begin once again in Europe that is sad indeed, we should
not light the fuse.
If this IS the "NEW WORLD ORDER", then where were we when a half million
Africans were hacked to death? Where were we when millions were
slaughtered in Cambodia? The World is not a nice place and OUR BOMBS
will not make it so.
-- Art Bell

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[CTRL] Ignore me - I am a test

1999-04-01 Thread Divinewill

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Ignore me - I am a test

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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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[CTRL] Lessons of War

1999-04-01 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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From http://www.smackem.com/quotes

There is no such thing as an inevitable war. If war comes it will be from
failure of human wisdom.
 --Andrew B. Law

When people speak to you about a preventive war, you tell them to go and
fight it. After my experience, I have come to hate war. War settles
nothing.
 --Dwight D. Eisenhower

Diplomats are just as essential in starting a war as soldiers are in
finishing it.
 --Will Rogers

I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV
will be fought with sticks and stones.
-Albert Einstein

From http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/2012/quote.html

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
-George Santayana



From Wash (DC) Post

""  Retired Air Force Col. John Warden, author of ``Air Campaign,'' an
influential book on air power strategy, said Clinton opposed the Vietnam
War but apparently neglected to study the military lessons in that
campaign. ""

Military Fears Image May Be Damaged

By John Diamond
Associated Press Writer
Thursday, April 1, 1999; 3:32 a.m. EST

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Military officials worry that the lofty status gained by
air power in the Persian Gulf War declines with each day that ethnic
atrocities continue in Kosovo despite daily NATO airstrikes.

Air Force officers and an active fraternity of retired air commanders
bitterly blame the Clinton administration for returning to the incremental
use of force that failed to bring Hanoi to heel in the Vietnam War.

``When you fly less than 50 bombing sorties per day for seven days, you're
not serious about what you're doing,'' said retired Air Force Gen. Buster
Glosson, one of the key planners of the Persian Gulf War air campaign. ``At
best it's sporadic bombing.''

Officers, particularly in the Air Force, see the reputation of air power at
risk in a mission laden with restrictions imposed from the White House. And
they are growing increasingly concerned as television images from refugee
camps provide vivid evidence that the airstrikes are not preventing the
human suffering of the Kosovar Albanians.

``I'm worried about us being blamed once again for being over-promisers,''
said one Air Force strategic planner who spoke on condition of anonymity.

No one in uniform will publicly criticize the commander-in-chief over the
campaign against Yugoslavia. But Lt. Gen. Ron Marcotte, commander of the
8th Air Force, underscored preconditions for success from the air.

``We've got to be in it for the long haul, ensure that we use all our
capabilities to the fullest extent possible and ensure that our airmen have
the support they need,'' Marcotte said.

The implication was clear enough: Without that support and full
exploitation of capabilities, the Air Force should not be blamed for
failure.

As strikes on Yugoslavia intensified this week, so did the rhetoric from
Washington warning against expecting too much from bombs and missiles.

``With respect to stopping the ethnic cleansing, we never supposed or
reported that we had a silver bullet that would bring that to a halt,''
said Vice Adm. Scott Fry, operations director for the Joint Chiefs of
Staff.

Appearing Wednesday night on CBS's ``60 Minutes II'' program, President
Clinton said he was aware of the military's concern over how air power is
being applied.

``I understand the frustration of some of our people in the Pentagon,''
Clinton said. ``I have worked very hard with them to give them the maximum
possible leeway, showing sensitivity only to targets that might have
marginal benefits but cause a lot of collateral damage. I don't want a lot
of innocent Serbian civilians to die because they have a man running their
country that's doing something atrocious.''

Clinton urged Americans to ``have a little resolve here'' and added, ``We
cannot view this as something that will be instantaneously successful.''

Within the Air Force, sensitivity to criticism stems in part from suspicion
and distrust in other services of doctrines extolling the decisive role of
air power, a debate that dates back to Army airman Billy Mitchell's
promotion of bombers in the 1920s and '30s.

Retired Army Gen. Colin Powell this week warned that the Clinton
administration may not be able to end the Kosovo crisis without inserting
ground forces into the region. ``At the end of the day, if you wish to
seize the initiative, you may have to do that,'' Powell said.

In interviews with active and retired Air Force officers, the Vietnam
analogy came up again and again. Glosson couldn't mention the word, saying
only that the ``gradualism'' of the campaign against Yugoslavia ``reflects
an era we'd all rather forget.''

The Air Force strategic planning officer likened the Yugoslav bombing to
President Johnson's ``Rolling Thunder'' air campaign over Vietnam that was
designed to force Hanoi to the negotiating table. Then as now, such a
campaign puts the initiative in the hands of the enemy, he said -- a view
echoed by 

Re: [CTRL] [piml] Art Bell Website Hacked by Yugoslavian Hackers!

1999-04-01 Thread Colleen Jones

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Weren't Funny, McGee...

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[CTRL] [8] Mellon's Millions

1999-04-01 Thread Kris Millegan

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an excerpt from:
Mellon's Millions
Harvey O'Conner©1933
Blue Ribbon Books
New York, N.Y.
--[8]--

8

The Mellon Plan of Taxation

RUNNING deeply into the interests and occupations of and masses," observes the
historian, Beard, "taxation is always the very center of political conflicts."

In the hubbub about the League of Nations in the election of 1920, that issue
had been pretty well ignored by official spokesmen for the major parties. To
the men who steered the Republican Party to victory on a tide of nationalism
it was nevertheless an absorbing matter. As soon as the tumult and the
shouting over the Treaty of Versailles, the League and the World Court had
died with the last campaign speech, the "best minds" of the Grand Old Party
concentrated on the issue of chief moment to those who had financed the lavish
$7,000,000 campaign. The expensive luxury of war must be paid for-and the
crucial battle for the next few years was to decide who should do the paying,
and how soon.

To the owners of industry the issue was resolved easily: the excess profits
tax must be abolished and the 65 per cent surtax on incomes scaled down
radically. Among the trade unions and farmers though the impression was widely
prevalent that the war had made the rich richer and that they ought to pay for
it. A reluctant Treasury Department survey, ordered by the Senate, seemed to
confirm their conclusion. In 1917, for example, 55,000 corporations had made
more than 15 per cent profit on their capital stock. All corporations, between
January, 1916, and July, 1921, had made a clear profit Of $38,000,000,000 over
and above all federal charges. This sum, it was pointed out, would have paid
off the entire war bill hanging over the country in 1921, and still left the
corporations a generous return.

The vagaries of democratic processes had thus elevated into a prime problem of
political strategy what to the business man was merely a common-sense matter
of getting back to "normalcy" in taxation. It worried President-elect Harding
down in St. Augustine, where he rested before his inauguration. That was why
he was buttonholing visitors and asking their opinion of Andrew W. Mellon as
prospective Secretary of the Treasury.

Knox and Penrose had guessed the temper of the business classes better than
the hesitant editor of the Marion Star. Business men were weary of war, tired
of tax burdens, anxious to make money. The amount of money made was to be the
sole criterion of success in the next ten years. The country was ready for
Andrew W. Mellon, pastmaster in that art.

In behalf of those interests which traditionally backed the Republican Party
in return for tax and tariff favors, Senator Knox could not have suggested to
Harding a happier choice for the Treasury. The Secretary's fabulous wealth was
to throw about him a cloak of immunity from criticism by those
elements—decisive in the nation-who worshiped wealth. If a million dollars
could do no wrong, a hundred millions had a positive genius for being right.
On the other hand, his obscurity, his lack of a personal history, his origin
in Pittsburgh, removed the obvious label of "Wall Street" which demagogues
would have delighted to pin on him. In fact there was nothing material for the
opposition sharpshooters to aim at: he glided, wraith-like, into the Treasury,
a spirit unburdened by a personal record. Certainly he was no roaring bull of
Wall Street, despite his wealth. The Senate confirmed him without an opposing
vote.

Mellon, quiet, efficient, hard-working, slipped into the office of the
Secretary of the Treasury at 9 o'clock the morning of March 5, 1921. He looked
with approval at the full-length picture of Alexander Hamilton which adorned
the wall. He called for S. Parker Gilbert, Under-Secretary of the Treasury
under David S. Houston, to discuss contents of the neat piles of documents on
the desk which awaited his attention. He liked this alert young man. In the
final disorganized year of the Wilson Administration he had been actual
Secretary. A Democrat perhaps? Nevertheless he knew the politics of finance,
and that transcended party lines. He would keep young Gilbert.

The new Secretary tackled his job with that careful economy of effort that had
enabled him to dispatch the affairs of a hundred corporations from his office
in the Mellon National Bank. In the outer office was David E. Finley, official
Cerberus, who sorted out callers, made appointments, arranged the routine of
daily life. At the Washington Hotel was J. F. Drake, president of Standard
Steel Car-later to head Pullman and then Gulf Oil. On Drake he leaned for
critical appraisal of office-seekers and office-holders. He also wished quiet
inquiries made into the bureaus under him, particularly the Bureau of Internal
Revenue. Drake was the man for that kind of job.

In the opening weeks he had little time to supervise the arrangement of his
apartment on Massachusetts Avenue. But Ailsa was equal to that. In 

[CTRL] Fwd: USA: Banana Republic

1999-04-01 Thread Kris Millegan





"Banana Republic" used to refer to poor, developing countries that relied
on a single cash crop -- typically bananas -- and were ruled by corrupt
governments. Now the term seems singularly appropriate to the United
States, even though the U.S. relies neither on bananas nor any other
single cash crop.

Operating at the behest of banana magnate Carl Lindner -- the CEO
of Chiquita -- the United States for years has complained about the
European Union's policy of importing its bananas from former colonies in
the Eastern Caribbean (tiny countries like Dominica).

To guarantee continued support for the Eastern Caribbean banana
producers, the European Union gives them preferential treatment through a
quota system. "Dollar bananas" from Central American countries --
controlled by U.S. marketing companies -- are cheaper than those from the
Eastern Caribbean, which has inferior land.

The United States pursued its campaign against the EU system at
the World Trade Organization (WTO). The United States won the claim,
because in fact the EU policy does violate WTO norms: it is illegal under
WTO rules to place a quota on imports from one region.

Under the WTO rules, as manipulated by the United States, it is
largely irrelevant that the purpose of the EU's preference for the Eastern
Caribbean is for beneficent reasons -- to provide some minimal remedial
support for its extremely poor former colonies. It doesn't matter than
some 200,000 farmers plus many others stand to lose their livelihoods --
in countries where 30 to 50 percent unemployment is the norm -- if the EU
abandons its banana system.

Under the WTO rules, it is irrelevant if the Eastern Caribbean
bananas are produced in a relatively more socially just way -- on many
small farms, mostly headed by women -- as opposed to the giant Chiquita
plantations in Central America, where unions are routinely smashed and
workers underpaid and exposed to serious pesticide and other chemical
hazards.

The International Confederation of Free Trade Unions explains:
"Central American bananas are produced on large 'industrial' scale
plantations employing large numbers of relatively poorly paid workers. Few
workers have been able to win recognition for their unions in the face of
the deep hostility of the companies, governments, the military and in some
countries para-military gangsters."

After a long series of back-and-forth negotiations and further
pro-U.S.  rulings from the WTO, the United States has now announced $520
million in sanctions against Europe in connection with the banana case.
Under WTO rules, the United States has the right to impose countervailing
sanctions against European imports in industries totally unrelated to the
dispute. The United States has chosen to impose 100 percent tariffs on a
range of European luxury imports -- ranging from Italian pecorino cheese
to Scottish cashmere sweaters -- hoping that these industries will become
internal lobbyists in the EU for a change in Europe's banana policy.

Of course, despite the degree of importance the U.S. government
places on its banana interests, the United States differs in one
remarkable way from the Banana Republics of old -- it does not produce any
bananas.

Why then, one may reasonably ask, is the United States launching
what is commonly labeled a "trade war" against Europe? The answer: Carl
Lindner, and his money. Chiquita CEO Carl Lindner has poured money into
the political system.

Lindner and wife Edyth donated more than half a million dollars in
1998 in political contributions. That's standard for the banana titan, who
contributes generously to both major parties.

Lindner's mega-contributions to former Senate Majority Leader,
former presidential candidate, current Viagra pitchman and aspiring First
Husband Bob Dole helped Dole see the importance of the banana issue to the
U.S.  economy. He pushed various legislative proposals designed to force
changes in the EU banana preference system, and deserves some credit for
the Clinton administration's decision to take up the case.

Greased by campaign money, the Clinton administration has chosen
to identify the national interest with Carl Lindner and Chiquita. The U.S.
Trade Representative humorously asserts that "the U.S. economic stake in
this case is clear" -- even though virtually no U.S. jobs are at stake,
and even though it is widely understood that displacing the Eastern
Caribbean banana farmers will push many of them into the illegal drug
trade.

It is hard to imagine a more outlandish case to illustrate the
flaws in the WTO-governed global trading system or in U.S. campaign
finance rules.

Unfortunately, there are serious consequences to the U.S.
buffoonery, and it is innocent parties in the Eastern Caribbean who will
pay the price for the Clinton administration decision to convert the
United States into a Banana Republic.

Russell Mokhiber is editor of the Washington, D.C.-based Corporate Crime
Reporter. Robert Weissman is editor of the 

[CTRL] [2] Merchants of Grain

1999-04-01 Thread Kris Millegan

 -Caveat Lector-

An excerpt from:
Merchants of Grain
Dan Morgan©1979,1980
Penguin Books
ISBN 01400.5502 9
--[2]--

2
Bread and Dynasties

"Our business fills a great human and economic need."
-LEOPOLD LOUIS-DREYFUS, 1912

One of the -traders busily trying to sell grain to Exportkhleb in that summer
of 1975 was a short, husky-voiced man who usually dressed in a rumpled pin-
striped suit. If anybody had caught up with Gerard Louis-Dreyfus on his
travels and asked him what made him run, he would not have said "profit" or
"cash flow" or "corporate growth," as most other businessmen would. He might
well have answered as had his great-grandfather Leopold, the most
spectacularly successful of the nineteenth-century merchants of grain.

Satisfying "a great human and economic need" has been the rationale for
merchants through time. It has always justified their explorations,
adventures, and fortune seeking, just as it has been said to excuse their
wealth, opulent life-styles, and (from time to time) exalted places in
society. "Merchant princes" moved in the company of the well Born because they
had proven qualities of boldness, and skills in trade that were essential to
the perpetuation of the wealth and power of the nations in which they lived.

At the end of the eighteenth century a human need requiring the services of
merchants developed on a scale that had never been experienced before in
history. The need was for bread. By 1800, England was a country that ran on
coal and wheat; bread had become the established food of the Industrial
Revolution, the staple of populations drawn away from their usual food supply
on farms and in villages. British millers turned to the new American nation
and, imported flour from Baltimore and Richmond. Wheat and oats came from
Sweden and Poland. But it was the surpluses that began to be produced in the
remote hinterlands of the Black Sea that often made the difference between
misery and sufficiency in Europe's crowded communities of urban workers.

 The first masters of this early wheat trade were Greeks. Greek traders and
shipowners had been active for centuries all across the eastern Mediterranean,
where they also acted as agents for British and French commercial companies
and manufacturers. Eventually, the most prominent of these adventurer-
traders—families such as the Rallis-set up their own offices in London and
took control of the British trade to and from Constantinople, Smyrna, and the
Levant. From there it was an easy leap to Odessa, the new city that was
becoming a wheat port at the edge of the Black Sea.

It was an odd Russian city, in many ways, less severe in its climate,
architecture, and mood than most others. The polyglot merchant community,
drawn there by wheat, gave Odessa in the early nineteenth century its special
character as a somewhat rakish Riviera enclave in Imperial Russia. Along with
the Greeks were Italians, Slavonians, Triestians, Genoese, French, Germans,
Englishmen, and Spaniards. Italian, first spoken there by the Tuscan merchants
who came to obtain grain for their native province, was the lingua franca of
the city. Street signs in Italian as well as Russian pointed the way to broad,
tree-shaded boulevards where the most successful of the wheat entrepreneurs
built their villas.

The town had grown rapidly, encouraged in its expansion by Empress Catherine
the Great, who had hastily tried to consolidate the southern territories won
by Russia in its battles with the Turks in 1774. As the Turks were driven out
of their strongholds along the Black Sea and in the Crimea, Catherine had
invited colonists to settle the land. Russian landlords, aspiring to a lordly
life-style, built manors and brought in serfs to farm vast acreages. Along
with them came Swiss, Germans, Serbs, Bulgarians. In 1794, Catherine had
founded Odessa. By the turn of the century, oxcarts full of wheat were
clattering down the rutted roads through the bleak steppe to the port, first
by the hundreds, then by the thousands, and finally by the tens of thousands.
At the marketplaces, the peasants sold their wheat (and sometimes their oxen
and oxcarts, too, for tallow, hide, and firewood) before returning to their
villages.

There was little place for the surplus to go, except abroad. Odessa lacked
flour mills or processing plants, and the sparse population of southern Russia
did not require wheat in such great volumes as was coming off the estates and
farms. This rising tide of wheat and oats out of the Black Sea region, managed
by Mediterranean merchants, was the first major grain passage to develop from
the bread revolution.

It was something quite new in human history. Grain, to be sure, had always
been traded and distributed over long distances. Wheat had been on the move
since the first primitive strains were cultivated in the Middle East in 70M
B.C. and began to spread slowly around the world. Wheat was carried to Egypt,
to northern Mesopotamia and Iran-and then on to China and 

[CTRL] Giuliani

1999-04-01 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

 -Caveat Lector-

From FrontPagemag.CoM


The War on Rudy Giuliani

by John Podhoretz

The Weekly Standard | April 12, 1999

RUDOLPH GIULIANI'S FAVORITE MOVIE IS THE GODFATHER, and you need only
summon up some of its best-known lines to understand his extraordinary
style of governance. When Giuliani finds himself embroiled in a political
squabble with another elected official, he and his team "go to the
mattresses"—they hunker down, refuse to negotiate, and begin a war. This is
true of any political squabble, major or minor—whether it's a fight over
welfare reform with legislators in Albany or a ridiculous row with New York
governor George Pataki over which highway in the city should be named after
Joe DiMaggio. To the mattresses they go.

Giuliani's insistence on lockstep loyalty from his staff calls to mind
Michael. Corleone's admonition to his older brother Fredo that he is never
to take sides against the family again—ever. And his loyalty to those who
are loyal to him is like the Godfather's promise to the undertaker who
seeks his help in avenging his daughter's honor: Your enemies will become
my enemies—and then they will fear you.

Indeed, in the course of his five-plus years as the mayor of New York City,
Giuliani has been the entire Corleone family wrapped up in one person—which
is ironic, since in his years as U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of
New York, he was one of the masterminds behind the slow, deliberate
destruction of the Mafia. At once, Giuliani is cool and calculating like
Michael, charismatic and clever like Vito, and prone to sudden rages and
instant passions like Sonny.

For eight weeks now, ever since four policemen fired 41 bullets at an
unarmed African immigrant named Amadou Diallo, hitting him nineteen times
and killing him, Giuliani has been quiet, subdued, controlled—like the
Corleone family consigliere. But as the Diallo killing has mutated into the
worst crisis of his mayoralty, the question is whether the most effective
and transformative municipal chief executive of the past 50 years has
himself mutated into the hapless and feckless Fredo, the incompetent
Corleone. Which would be his worst fear.

At first blush, the Diallo killing would not have seemed the most
appropriate rallying point for a war on Rudy Giuliani. The four cops were
searching for a serial rapist on the night of February 4 and followed
Diallo into the vestibule of a tenement apartment building in the Soundview
section of the Bronx. What happened afterwards isn't clear; the police
officers have not spoken about the case, and nobody actually saw the
shooting, though nine witnesses claim to have heard shouting and gunfire.
But it does seem to be the case that the officers believed Diallo had a gun
and was about to open fire. Their response was a hailstorm of 41 bullets.
Two of the officers fired off every one of the sixteen bullets in their
Glock 9mm pistols—which meant they each had to squeeze the trigger 16 times
in three to five seconds. That would seem to suggest the officers were in a
heightened, adrenalized, state brought on by fear, panic, whatever. What it
does not suggest is a deliberate murder of an unarmed man, who turned out
to have had no history of trouble with police in the two years he had been
living in the United States,

The killing was so grotesque that it immediately captured the attention of
the city. The mayor and police commissioner Howard Safir expressed their
profound sorrow, offered to pay for the funeral and for the travel expenses
of Diallo's parents (his mother lives in his native Guinea, his father in
Vietnam). And then they could say little else. Because the four officers
who shot Diallo—under investigation by a grand jury that has just indicted
them for second-degree murder—clammed up in accordance with their Fifth
Amendment rights and have remained mute ever since.

What the mayor and police chief did do, as they do reflexively whenever
there are charges of police misconduct in New York, was defend the NYPD.
The actions of four cops, they have said in a hundred different ways since
the Diallo shooting, should not tarnish the reputations or the hard work of
the other 38,000 NYPD officers, who put their lives on the line on some
very mean streets every day.

This is not just pious talk on Giuliani's part. When he took office at the
beginning of 1994, the NYPD was reeling from the four years it spent under
the dominion of David Dinkins. The two incidents that probably cost Dinkins
his job both involved the NYPD, and in both cases Dinkins seemed to accept
the idea that police officers were part of the problem, not part of the
solution.

First, Dinkins ordered the police not to intervene in 1991 while
African-Americans in the Brooklyn neighborhood of Crown Heights went on a
three-day rampage against Hasidic Jews after a station wagon driven by a
Hasid ran over a seven-year-old boy. Eighty-one Jews were injured and one
killed as the cops stood around and did nothing. The 

Re: [CTRL] [piml] Art Bell Website Hacked by Yugoslavian Hackers!

1999-04-01 Thread Colleen Jones

 -Caveat Lector-

I must add this - years ago, when I thought the KKK had wrecked my house
(it was local stuff) I called the Grand Dragon up in Cleveland area and
gave him hell.

He that weekend, appeared at my door.  He gave me records on Illuminati,
and other stuff, including a book entitled "Who Is Murdering
Angola".it was then I realied I was blaming the wrong people for the
murder of JFK, etcand had a lot of people upset with my actions.  At
the time, one could not even say the word Mafia, without a whole table
disappearing.

But this gentleman, a true blue Klansman, knew what this New World Order
was; we became friendshis name of Dale Reusch, and I have not heard
from him for years.  After his visit to my house, the local yokels never
bothered me again by murdering my cats, or wrecking my house. And now,
most of these people are so feeble they are probably at the elephant
burying grounds wishing they had never met me.

But, this gentleman cared what was happening in Angolaand a word
called genocide; he knew then what the New World Order planned, and he
was right.  I was right, I had the right conspiracy, but was blaming all
the wrong people.

Colleen

Now this was the REAL KKK.not the ones you see out causing trouble;
they were a protective order raised at the time because of 14 men who
had been slashed by a black nationalist at the Ford Motor Company I
later discovered.and the real KKK, was awakened.

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[CTRL] Page 1 News | Real News From The Real World

1999-04-01 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
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HOLY WEEK SPECIALS: The suffering church around the world - and Bible
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WorldMaundy Thursday, April 1, 1999  Jesus took bread, gave thanks and
broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, "Take and eat; this is
my body." Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them,
saying, "Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant,
which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. "  Clinton
Warns Serbia About Soldiers' Fate
Museum, Ancient Bridge Destroyed By NATO Bombs
___
Kosovo's New World Order:
Concentration Camps And Death For Men 16 And Over
Homelessness And Starvation For Women, Children  Elderly
Refugees are ordinary people from many professions, women, children and
elderly separated from husbands, fathers and sons, now being made
widows, orphans and homeless by the New World Order. These are their
faces. Now they face starvation. Lord, have mercy on them.
Photos by AP, Reuters  CNNClinton Warns Serbia About US Servicemen
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"I believe in killing people who try to hurt you and I can't believe
we're being pushed around by these two-bit ." Bill Clinton, quoted
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Re: [CTRL] Giuliani

1999-04-01 Thread Colleen Jones

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Don't insult the Mafia; the funniest story I ever read about the Mafia,
was Sam the Plumber, as I reca.., and Angelo Gyp DeCarlo (Nixon pardoned
them, by the way)..

The politicians were gouging them; they were being held up by the
political Mafia.so these two gentlemen were talking about all those
good guys on the take, knowing the FBI was tapping their lines.

The problem here is, the Mafia we know is not perfect;  however, John
Gotti was railroaded by the Butcher of Waco and the Courts and denied
his rights; but these chislers, who were holding up the mob, got what
they deserved.

My mother always liked Al Capone; he had a girlfirend once who lived in
Fostoria, and he built her a home like a minature castle, for her father
lived with her too.  Why anyone would like Al Capone; well, this one
individual I knew worked for him and received $75.00 a week, for just
loading beer on a truck.  This individual was a rather famous wrestler;
and he told me that Al Capone, a member of the old Five Point Gang, fed
a lot of people, when the government would not during the depression
days.

Between the Mafia and Clinton.I will have to take the Mafia, at
least there is honor among thieves.

Colleen

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[CTRL] Satire

1999-04-01 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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From http://www.zmag.org/satire.htm

This is a SATIRE on Clinton's speech concerning the current situation in
the Balkans.  Only the first part of it is provided ... the remainder is
available at the website shown above AER 

Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:56:47 -0600 (CST)
From: "C. G. Estabrook"
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Japan bombs New Mexico

begin quote

The following is a translation of last night's speech by the Prime Minister
of Japan, explaining why the Japanese air force bombed military bases and
command-and-control installations in the American Southwest:

"My fellow citizens:
Today our armed forces joined our allies in the Pacific Rim Organization
for National Treaty Observance in air strikes against American forces
responsible for the brutality in New Mexico. We have acted with resolve for
several reasons.  We act to protect thousands of innocent people in New
Mexico from a mounting military
offensive by the `border patrol.' We act to defuse a powder keg at the
heart of North America that has exploded twice before in the last century
and a half with catastrophic results, when the US invaded Mexico in 1846
and 1916. We act to stand united with our allies for peace. By acting now,
we are upholding our values, protecting our interests, and advancing the
cause of peace.  Tonight I want to speak with you about the tragedy in New
Mexico and why it matters to Japan that we work with our allies to end it.

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Re: [CTRL] Mae Brussel

1999-04-01 Thread Gulson and Associates

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who are you and where do you lecture??

JUDY GULSON
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Date: Thursday, April 01, 1999 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Mae Brussel


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My recent lectures involve mysterious researcher deaths and the technology
of
assassination, with due honor going to Mae and Casolaro for their bravery
and sacrifice.
I have been compiling a new anthology on the Gemstone File, with previously
unavailable
Brussell material. It will include the full Kiwi Genstone and the Com-12
Briefing, which
together establish the connection between Brussell and Casolaro.

kt

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[CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] OEN 4/1/99 - Washington Gripped by Fear of Failure

1999-04-01 Thread Kris Millegan





 The former secretary of state, Jeane Kirkpatrick, and former defence
secretary Frank Carlucci, members of President Reagan's Cabinet, called
for ground forces to halt the Serbs and create havens for ethnic
Albanians in Kosovo. Washington insists that it has no plans to use
ground troops and there is certainly no sign of mobilisation. 

Aha ...  I seem to recall that Carlucci was President Bush's top choice as
CIA director.
The current NATO commander is a protege of Al Haig.  All roads in this affair
definitely  lead back to the EU's dark underbelly, NATO/CIA/P2/Fascist
Intl/Mafia/Vatican, which  includes the Ustashis, and Vatican ambitions in
once-Communist southeast Europe.

Tar-baby time for Clinton, obviously out of his depth as, beyond his paltry
"Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" around Scaife, he now meets the VASTER Right
Wing Conspiracy of George Bush's Octopus, operating on an INTERNATIONAL
scale, even calling the shots in his own administration thru national
security advisors and their "errors of judgment."
(Like the "mechanical failures" and "human error" in the chain of command
--where sat  Ollie North-- which resulted in the disgrace of President
Carter's hostage rescue effort.)






[CTRL] Fwd: Questions Haunt Wiretap Denial in China Spy Case

1999-04-01 Thread Kris Millegan





Questions Haunt Wiretap Denial in China Spy Case

 01 April, 1999

 By Bruce Sullivan
 CNS Staff Writer

 (CNS) - The Department of Justice approved 748 applications for
electronic surveillance or physical searches in 1997. It denied only one -
the FBI's request to wiretap Wen Ho Lee, a computer scientist at the Los
Alamos National Laboratory, who has since been fired amid suspicions of
espionage at the laboratory.

 The wiretap was denied despite Attorney General Janet Reno's admission
that there was "probable cause to believe the target to be an agent of a
foreign power," according to Justice Department documents.

 "In one case, although satisfied as to the probable cause to believe
the target to be an agent of a foreign power, the court declined to approve
the application," wrote Reno in a letter to L. Ralph Mecham, Director,
Administrative Office of the United States Courts dated April 29, 1998.

 When Lee was given a sensitive new job at the Los Alamos facility,
which conducts top-secret nuclear research, the FBI suspected him of
espionage and only approved his assignment with the stipulation that they
would seek a wiretap authorization from the Department of Justice. The DoJ
denied the request on the grounds that the evidence against Lee was too old.

 "The government has filed a motion to withdraw that case as it has
become moot," said Reno in the letter, a copy of which was obtained by CNS.

 The Justice Department did not return CNS telephone calls for further
comment, but FBI Supervisory Special Agent Anita Dickens told CNS that there
is an ongoing investigation in the case, which prevents the Bureau from
commenting on it.

 Chinese espionage at the Los Alamos laboratory is now suspected to have
been going on since at least the early 1980's, but the extent of it was not
suspected until 1995, when American experts found similarities between
China's miniature nuclear warheads and America's most advanced miniature
warhead, the W-88.

 The security breaches occurred after the passage of the Foreign
Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978, which greatly expanded the powers of
law enforcement agencies to wiretap and search espionage suspects.

 Additionally, President Clinton signed Executive Order 12949 on
February 9, 1995, which gives the attorney general the authority to conduct
surveillance of suspected spies without a court order.

 "Pursuant to section 302 (a) (1) of the Act, the Attorney General is
authorized to approve physical searches, without a court order, to acquire
foreign intelligence information for periods of up to one year," wrote
Clinton in the executive order.

 With evidence of suspected espionage and expanded power to investigate
such suspicions, some are wondering why the Clinton Administration failed to
exercise its authority to learn more about security breaches within
America's nuclear weapons technology community.

 A bipartisan House select committee on technology transfers to China,
which is co-chaired by Rep. Christopher Cox (R-CA) and Rep. Norman Dicks
(D-WA) is scheduled to release all or part of its classified report by the
end of April, a committee spokesman told CNS.

 Cox had hoped to release the report in March, but disagreements between
the committee and the White House over which parts of the top-secret report
should be declassified and released have delayed publication of the
committee's findings.







[CTRL] Predicted *Causa Belli* Appears (fwd)

1999-04-01 Thread Brian Redman

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PREDICTED *CAUSA BELLI* APPEARS
===

(CNNS, 04/01/99) -- On March  25,  1999, this news service posted
to Internet the following prediction:

  Phase 2 of the Kosovo *causa belli* may be a  staged  event
  of Serb  troops  supposedly  crossing  over into Macedonia.
  Such a staged event would "excuse" NATO troops, now  massed
  in Macedonia, for invading Kosovo. [1]

*Causa belli* means "pretext for war."  The  CNNS  prediction  of
March 25, 1999, was repeated by this news service in a subsequent
press release, dated March 29, 1999:

  Significantly,  the  NYTimes  article  which  is shocked --
  shocked!  -- by the  danger  of dishonest news outlets also
  discloses that the Serbs fear NATO troops in Macedonia will
  soon provoke border incidents  as  pretext  for  a  planned
  invasion by NATO ground troops. [2]

  NYTimes quotes a Serb news anchor, as follows:

"Our  sources  report,"  the  anchor said in the same
evening news broadcast,  "that  in  addition to 2,400
NATO soldiers  stationed  in  Macedonia,  1,800  U.S.
soldiers  have just arrived.  NATO plans to use these
forces  to  provoke  border  incidents  and  stage an
alleged Yugoslav attack on Macedonia, which would  be
used as a pretext for sending NATO ground forces into
Yugoslavia." [3]

Today, April 1, 1999 (of all days, "April  Fools  Day"),  reports
are  extensive  on the unfortunate capture of three U.S. soldiers
serving under the auspices of an offensive NATO force.

Please pause a moment, in  the  flurry  of news from the troubled
Yugoslav region, to make note of how predictably the scenario has
unfolded.

On March 29, 1999,  this  news  service  published  a  report  by
Sherman  H.  Skolnick  of the Citizens' Committee to Clean Up the
Courts, a highly-regarded public interest research group, warning
that U.S.  soldiers  operating  under  NATO  command  may  not be
protected by the Geneva Convention:

  Of more immediate concern  is  the  fact  that  the  Geneva
  Convention,  ratified during the 1920s, does not apparently
  cover  military  personnel  operating under the auspices of
  the *ex post facto* NATO.  Since NATO did not exist  during
  the  1920s,  pilots  shot  down  over Yugoslavia may not be
  sheltered  by  the Geneva Convention.  In such a case, they
  could  be  subject  to  torture and execution by the Serbs.
  [4]

Today, April 1, 1999  ("April  Fools Day"), reports have appeared
via mainstream USA news outlets loudly decrying  the  Serbs  lest
they violate supposedly operant Geneva Convention protections.

The  fact that the predicted scenario is unfolding on April Fools
Day has a double significance:   (1)  it muddies the issue:  this
report by CNNS is not to be taken in any way, shape  or  form  as
any  sort  of  April Fools joke.  The previous CNNS reports which
have predicted the unfolding scenario are all archived and can be
proven to have appeared  days  before  current events.  (2) it is
symbolic, in a major way, that the predicted NATO *causa  belli*,
prelude  to  insertion  of  NATO  ground  troops into Yugoslavia,
enters the public consciousness on this day, April 1, 1999.

It is awkward for an American news service, which strongly wishes
for  our  young  soldiers  to   be   safe,  to  report  on  these
circumstances.  Nonetheless, it must be pointed out that  we  are
being  lied  to  by  our  government and their lies are aided and
abetted by the mainstream  U.S.  mass  media.   Does the cause of
Truth supersede national boundaries? Let's hope so.

--- Notes ---
[1] "Kosovo Drugs  Target  'Christian Infidels.'" CNNS, 03/25/99.
Archived at http://www.shout.net/~bigred/cnns.html
[2]  "Guess  Next   Pretext,"   CNNS,   3/29/99.Archived   at
http://www.shout.net/~bigred/cnns.html
[3] "Serbia Uses TV to  Attack  NATO  Policy," by New York Times.
Published  at  San  Jose Mercury News web site, 3/28/99.  Qtd. in
"Guess   NextPretext." CNNS,3/29/99.Archived   at
http://www.shout.net/~bigred/cnns.html
[4] "White House Sends 'Melissa Virus?'" CNNS, 3/29/99.  Archived
at http://www.shout.net/~bigred/cnns.html

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[CTRL] Fwd: Parade of Refugees

1999-04-01 Thread Kris Millegan





I don't want to sound cynical or anything, but after watching a wide variety
of videos of Kosovo refugees on MS-NBC and CNN, I'd like to call attention to
the following:

(1) Why are all the women and children wearing sparkly-clean unwrinkled
designer-label clothing?  Even the old grannies, most of them dressed as if
they had unlimited credit at Macy's or even Nieman Marcus.  Look very
carefully.  Little kids are wearing Nikes!
Hey, I'm moving to war-torn Yugoslavia too!  Must have a higher standard of
living there.

(2) Why are so many of the children --not just the little ones, but the ones
about 8 or older-- smiling and laughing, like this is FUN?  Why are many of
the women likewise grinning?  No one seems to be really suffering, or even
that disturbed.  Compare THESE
refugees with miles of Rwandans with protruding bellies and flies on their
eyes.  Maybe it's just hard to maintain one's composure when told to "look
despairing" at TV cameras
broadcasting your image worldwide to wealthy people who'll throw rock
concerts for you.

(3) How come nobody really looks dirty or tired in the shots of refugees
trekking along the road?  Isn't a "mass exodus" of refugees a bit wearing?
Oh, I forgot -- it's only about 50 miles from Kosovo to Albania or
Montenegro.  Not bad if you've got a good bicycle.
Remember, all of Yugoslavia, including Kosovo, is about the size of the state
of Ohio.
Try to imagine a tear-jerking flood of refugees, driven out of Cleveland into
Columbus
Even the Hebrews leaving Pharaoh's oppression had to travel at least as far
as Philly.




[CTRL] Jesse Helms, AmeriKKKa's fool...

1999-04-01 Thread William Shannon

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Gratis the MOTHER JONES newswire, and since I'm awaitin my "grain"
shipment


Jesse Helms' Political Voodoo

The senator from North Carolina finds a way to attack Planned Parenthood
while hiding his well-known penchant for pro-life politics.

by Mat Honan
March 23, 1999


 Senator Jesse Helms (R-N.C.) got his panties in a wad yet again last week.
It seems that the good senator was incensed to discover that the U.S. Agency
for International Development (USAID) is funding what Helms strongly suspects
to be voodoo in Haiti. Since we have our own voodoo connection of sorts, the
MoJo Wire decided to take a closer look at his suspicions.

Helms' alarm bells apparently started going off when, while perusing the 1996
International Planned Parenthood Foundation annual report, he read about "a
campaign to reach voodoo followers with sexual and reproductive health
information ... by performing short song-prayers about STDs and the benefits
of family planning during voodoo ceremonies." As would any conscientious
senator (especially one who uses prayer breakfasts with Jerry Falwell as
political fundraisers), Helms fired off a letter to Secretary of State
Madeline Albright, demanding that the funding be stopped. In doing so he made
it clear that he is hiding his well-known penchant for pro-life politics
behind a wall of voodoo (italics ours):


"On February 3, the [USAID] wrote to the Committee requesting permission to
proceed withy [sic] the obligation of funds for population control programs
... It is no secret that these programs are far too often wrongheaded and
wasteful. Nevertheless, if the Administration insists on funding these
programs I shall not stand in the way, so long as you agree to the following
conditions: 1) that no funds be obligated to any affiliate of the
International Planned Parenthood Foundation (IPPF) in Haiti, including
PROFAMIL; and 2) that no funds be provided directly or indirectly to any
group whose programs include producing material intended to be used in a
voodoo ceremony ... A.I.D. is funding programs that endorse or legitimize
what amounts to witchcraft."
The Miami Herald broke the story on March 15, and reaction from the White
House was swift, unequivocal, and veiled in laughter. White House spokesman
James Rubin admitted that while, yes, we are funding voodoo, we weren't
really funding voodoo.

"[USAID] has sponsored in Haiti an International Planned Parenthood
Foundation program ... to utilize traditional Haitian health practitioners
for distributing information on family planning," Rubin said. "Traditional
practitioners are the first point of contact for many Haitians seeking health
care ... While some traditional practitioners may have participated in voodoo
ceremonies, USAID funding has not been used to support those practices ...
USAID no longer funds the IPPF local affiliate in Haiti ... So the point is
that we are not using our funds to promote voodoo."

The issue, clearly, isn't really voodoo. It's condoms. USAID has been
bankrolling Haitian voodoo for years without incident. In 1995 Rick Barton,
director of USAID's Office of Transition Initiatives (OTI), stated, "We have
13 teams covering 16 areas of [Haiti] ... These teams have the
decision-making authority to spend up to $5,000 on any project ... Many are
extragovernmental, anything from a voodoo event to more traditional groups."

Yet Helms took no issue with either Barton or the OTI back then. Instead, he
waited until one of his pet political peeves was at issue, and then went
after the IPPF. He succeeded, garnering a handful of "U.S. Funds Witchcraft"
headlines and an end to funding for the IPPF in Haiti.

Sources within the State Department, who asked not to be identified, told the
MoJo Wire that funding for the IPPF in Haiti was discontinued, partially but
not wholly, due to Helms' concerns. However, USAID claims that the eliminated
funding was simply part of a larger family-planning program that had already
run its course.

Meanwhile, Haiti continues to be crushed by an exploding population and
rocked by an AIDS epidemic, which the IPPF was also working to combat.
Perhaps not coincidentally, Helms is perpetually looking to freeze or reduce
AIDS funding, stating that "the ultimate origin of all AIDS-tainted blood has
been homosexual contact." Helms historically has blamed AIDS victims for
engaging in "deliberate, disgusting, revolting conduct."

Helms has never exactly been a friend to Haiti, either. In 1995, he said, "As
far as this senator is concerned, the administration's free-spending
Caribbean vacation in Haiti is over. It's time for the President and his
advisors to stop playing beach-blanket-bingo with Aristide and get to work
protecting America's real interests abroad." (Such as promoting big tobacco
in Asia, perhaps?)

In the words of Timothy Wirth, former U.S. undersecretary of state for global
affairs, "More people in Haiti want family planning than any place else in
the world."


Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] What's Really Causing Gulf War Illness?]

1999-04-01 Thread Amelia Kay Edgeman

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Edwina,
This is wonderful ews for me!! I get two journals on this with very
little mention of these developments.  This is so advanced over my
material.  Came at just the right time as this has been devastating this
week.  I really thought it was gone this time and it comes back.  Thank
youso much for taking the time to help. This just may work (good chance)
and it also gives hope to us dealing with this!!  I woder if others on
this list have their own ideas of how they came to have this, especially
CFS.. Fibro is arthritic but CFS remains a puzzle.  I had the full
Epstein-Barre virus when first diagnosed but not all peope w/CFS do. Any
theories?  What could be the link?  Is it exposure to soething.  What
have I done wrong if it was gone and now is back?  Sooo many questions
ao few answers!
Amelia

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Re: [CTRL] Mae Brussel

1999-04-01 Thread Teo One Thousand

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In a message dated 4/1/99 12:53:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 and the Com-12 Briefing, which
 together establish the connection between Brussell and Casolaro.
  

I don't believe it!!  FINALLY an analysis of the COM-12 briefing, which I
have been consistently unable to get a bit of information on for some time
now.  Kenn could you give us all a brief synopsis of the COM-12 briefing?
I have been trying to do research into this in my spare time, and that ain't
much, and have come up with zip.
Teo1000

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[CTRL] Clinton bombs Christians during Holy Week ?

1999-04-01 Thread Bill Kingsbury

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  forwarded 
 From: "Independent History  Research" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999
 Subj: Bombing Christians in Holy Week

 T-H-E  H-O-F-F-M-A-N  W-I-R-E
 
 No. 126   April 1, 1999
 

 Michael A. Hoffman II, Editor
 Published by the The Campaign for Radical Truth in History
 Coeur d'Alene, Idaho
 http://www.hoffman-info.com

 ---
 Contents:

 1. Talmudic Mockery: Bombing Christians during Holy Week

 2. Links

 3. Notice
 -

 1. Talmudic Mockery: Bombing Christians during Holy Week

 The Judeo-Masonic United States of America is intent on its
 Talmudic vengeance against Christian Serbia.

 The US and NATO intend to bomb the Serbian people during the
 holiest of all Christian times, Maundy Thursday, Good Friday and
 the commemoration of the Resurrection of Christ, on Sunday.

 Klinton claimed he did not want to bomb Iraqi Muslims during their
 holy Ramadan, but he and Cohen, Berger, Rubin and Albright are
 eager to bomb Christian Serbia during Holy Week.

 Here is what Yugoslavia's Vice-Premiere V. Droskovich stated on
 Russian television:

 "I wish also to say that all Christians in the next few days will
 be entering the greatest Christian feast days; that is, the
 Resurrection of Christ and Great and Holy Friday.  During these
 sacred Christian holy days, will the NATO military commit these
 bombing atrocities against a Christian nation?"

 This reporter has not heard any American statesman or major
 politician make such a forthright witness for Christ and the
 traditions of Christianity as the Yugoslav vice-premiere did
 on Russian television.

 Tragically, the answer to Mr. Droskovich is yes, pseudo-Christian
 America will bomb the Serbian people at this time,  including
 civilians, as presidential candidate Steve Forbes advocated on
 MSNBC March 31.

 Imagine if the US was convinced that the Israelis were "ethnically
 cleansing" Palestine and in particular, east Jerusalem, of Arabs
 and decided to bomb the Israeli nation in retaliation and did so
 on Passover?  It's unthinkable.  It couldn't happen.  But it is
 happening to Christian Serbia on the 1999th anniversary of the
 trial, crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

 Fundamentalist Protestants claim that America is a Christian land
 and Serbia and Russia are godless anti-Christs.  But I watched
 Russian television as the Russians broadcast, unedited, the Serbian
 vice-premiere's emphatic Christian statement and I noted that the
 Serb leader didn't use any weasel words such as "Judeo-Christian"
 (an oxymoron), but rather referred forthrightly to "the Christian
 feast days," the "Christian nation,"  and "the Resurrection of
 Christ."

 All of these remarks of his are affronts to "our Jewish brethren"
 in the White House and in deference to the authentic anti-Christ
 power on this earth, such statements are not used in prime time
 by American leaders, be they Republican or Democrat.

 So, I ask you, who are the anti-Christs?

 Is it not a kind of Talmudic mockery to be dropping bombs on
 Christians and Christian monasteries and cathedrals in Serbia
 during the most solemn of Christian holy days?

 Since the "great Talmudic codifier" and revered "Rambam," Moses
 Maimonides, decreed that Christians are idolaters who deserve to
 be exterminated, what is the bombing of Christian Serbs on Holy
 Thursday, Good Friday and Resurrection Sunday other than a thinly
 veiled Jewish Talmudic ritual executed by the American military
 and their NATO partners?

 Not even the Iraqi Arabs were accorded such disrespect during
 their holy season, but then Muslim clerics still have some measure
 of self-respect and some willingness to defend authentic Islamic
 theology.

 The hirelings of Judeo-Churchianity such as Pope John Paul,
 Pat Robertson, Chuck Missler and Jerry Falwell, use the name of
 Christ to advance the cause of the anti-Christ.

 This is why the modern day Pharisees may, with impunity, crucify
 Christ's people anew in 1999, while so-called "Christian" America
 applauds and finances the bloodshed.

 --Michael A. Hoffman II

 [Hoffman is a former reporter for the New York bureau of the
 Associated Press]

 

 2. Links

 The Talmud: Jewish Supremacist Hate Literature:
 http://www.hoffman-info.com/talmudtruth.html

 Bombing for Peace
 http://www.hoffman-info.com/wire.html

 Profiling the FBI's Unabom Charade
 http://www.hoffman-info.com/unabom.html

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 circuits the reciprocity that benefits and blesses both giver
 and receiver.

 There are well 

[CTRL] Fwd: Parade of Refugees

1999-04-01 Thread Teo One Thousand

From DasGoat, conspiracist at large.
Teo1000

Incidentally it should not be any wonder since much of this is manufactured
for our viewing pleasure, IMO.







I don't want to sound cynical or anything, but after watching a wide variety
of videos of Kosovo refugees on MS-NBC and CNN, I'd like to call attention to
the following:

(1) Why are all the women and children wearing sparkly-clean unwrinkled
designer-label clothing?  Even the old grannies, most of them dressed as if
they had unlimited credit at Macy's or even Nieman Marcus.  Look very
carefully.  Little kids are wearing Nikes!
Hey, I'm moving to war-torn Yugoslavia too!  Must have a higher standard of
living there.

(2) Why are so many of the children --not just the little ones, but the ones
about 8 or older-- smiling and laughing, like this is FUN?  Why are many of
the women likewise grinning?  No one seems to be really suffering, or even
that disturbed.  Compare THESE
refugees with miles of Rwandans with protruding bellies and flies on their
eyes.  Maybe it's just hard to maintain one's composure when told to "look
despairing" at TV cameras
broadcasting your image worldwide to wealthy people who'll throw rock
concerts for you.

(3) How come nobody really looks dirty or tired in the shots of refugees
trekking along the road?  Isn't a "mass exodus" of refugees a bit wearing?
Oh, I forgot -- it's only about 50 miles from Kosovo to Albania or
Montenegro.  Not bad if you've got a good bicycle.
Remember, all of Yugoslavia, including Kosovo, is about the size of the state
of Ohio.
Try to imagine a tear-jerking flood of refugees, driven out of Cleveland into
Columbus
Even the Hebrews leaving Pharaoh's oppression had to travel at least as far
as Philly.




Re: [CTRL] Mae Brussel/Com 12

1999-04-01 Thread Thomas, Kenneth F.

 -Caveat Lector-

 Some description of the Com-12 can be found in the book I co-authored
with Jim Kieth called The Octopus: Secret Government and the Death of Danny
Casolaro (availble through the Steamshovel web site,
http://www.umsl.edu/~skthomas). It purports to originate from Navy
intelligence. "Com-12" is the head of one faction of the intelligence
community fighting to defend the Constitution against the "bad guy" element
among the spooks called "Aquarius". It gives a lot of the particulars about
the struggle of the Cabazon Indians to shed their white administrative
leaders, the subsequent grisly murders and the Cabazon/Wackenhut venture. It
includes the story of Danny Casolaro, with many particulars Casolaro never
got to, like the Black Rose Organization and the Yellow Lodge.

The new book, Inside The Gemstone File, should be available by the BookExpo
in Los Angeles, first week of may. I'll be at BookExpo to help promote it. I
hope some CTRL readers can come out and chat.

kt

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