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<<  The sad fact is that many 'boat'
 people have died trying to get to Canada.  It's heartbreaking.  And I
 have also read stories of people dying while trying to get to Australia,
 and Britain is a cosmopolitan country too.>>

Being here in the States I haven't heard of people dying to get to Canada,
but it's easily understandable with the cold waters surrounding Canada.
Where do these people come from - Cuba, Haiti?  The US is also cosmopolitan
and has been for quite some time.

<<  I would suggest Mr. Nugent
 look beyond the borders of the US to see what is going on in the rest of
 the world, but he has carved out a nice safe niche for himself. >>

He does have it made, for sure.

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Re: [CTRL] Weird Presidential Coincidentials?


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Ah but see now this is typical propaganda - Landers like a Jean Dixon
lays the seeds of destruction - poor Gore, we will have a Zionist for
President no doubt if Gore is elected.   Landers is a political
propagandist and a Zionistnot safe for a good Christian boy to run
for President this year...

Remember JFK.over and over and over, the asrologers marked him for
murder..Jean Dixon was on the mob's payroll and the newspapers had
given her "divine" statusa real Rose of Washington Square who got
tripped up by J. Edgar.

So Ann Landers - what else would you expect - start the talk going - you
see one could say she was part of the old Meyer Lansky mob - they get
some "nut" to fulfill prophecies by first setting up the target for the
kill.

Then when Lieberman is President - well, you see how it goesJFK was
toldl not to run, that he would be killed - he ran, and he was
killed.with his death Camelot became garbage and dog patch - and you
see the enemy with is making a Sodom and Gomorrah out of the United
States.then comes the punishment for being so badsay like
Klebold and Harris punished the little Christians in Littleton?
Judgment Day?

So the conspirators use their little bible calendar and it is not safe
for a Catholic or a Protestant to run for President and win -  the
groundwork is being laid, for the kill.

Save the Evergreen.

Let Joe Lieberman go run in Israel..it is reported he holds dual
citizenship.   Such holy pepole these Israelies.

Remember the USS Liberty.

A. Saba
Dare To Call It Conspiracy

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[CTRL] Is a headless human possible?

2000-09-19 Thread NSA




 

Is a headless human possible?September 18 2000 at 
09:45AMPeople can obviously live with missing arms, legs, kidney, lung, 
gall bladder, eyes, ears, nose, and much more. But wouldn't a headless human 
be impossible?  If you think so, you haven't been tracking the 
breathtaking breakthroughs of genetic engineering, where cloning of Dolly 
the sheep and creation of a headless frog embryo prompted Dr Patrick Dixon, 
author of The Genetic Revolution, to forecast cloned colonies of headless 
humans kept as spare part factories in the future.  Given its 
technical feasibility, there will be enormous economic pressurefor this to 
happen, Dixon told the British Press Association. It willprobably occur in 
countries where there is little or no gene legislation.Already the world 
has "Miracle Mike", the headless chicken of the 1940s, as an example. 
Earmarked for supper, the Colorado rooster met a bizarre fate when a poorly 
aimed hatchet took off his head but left neck and brain stem intact - enough 
to keep Mike's body strutting about for a couple of years, fed via an 
eyedropper through the open hole of his oesophagus.  Life magazine 
ran a photo of him amidst his barnyard brethren, captioned:"Chickens do not 
avoid Mike who, however, has shown no tendency to mate."http://www.iol.co.za/html/frame_news.php?click_id=187&art_id=iol969263138160S365

[CTRL] Weird Presidential Coincidentials?

2000-09-19 Thread NSA


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Weird Presidential Coincidentials?

This offering is an idea that springs from a bull session among us computer
programmers at the University of Texas Data Processing Department. Ann
Landers had just reprinted, for the zillionth time, a list of chilling
parallels between the assassinations of Abraham Lincoln and John F. Kennedy.

We wondered aloud why no one talks about similarities between William
McKinley and James Garfield.

Well, the joke took on a life of its own. Before long, we thought of common
themes in the lives of Zachary Taylor and William Henry Harrison. In fact,
Thomas Jefferson and Richard Nixon seemed to have as much in common as
Lincoln with Kennedy.

Coincidence? You Decide.


* William McKinley and James Garfield were both Republicans.

* McKinley and Garfield were both born and raised in Ohio.

* McKinley and Garfield were both Civil War veterans.

* McKinley and Garfield both served in the House of Representatives.

* McKinley and Garfield both supported the gold standard and tariffs for
protection of American industry.

* McKinley and Garfield both have eight letters.

* McKinley and Garfield were both replaced by vice-presidents from New York
City (Theodore Roosevelt and Chester Alan Arthur).

* Both of their vice-presidents wore moustaches.

* McKinley and Garfield were both shot in September, in the first year of
their current terms.

* Chester Alan Arthur and Theodore Roosevelt have seventeen letters
each.

* Both of their assassins, Charles Guiteau and Leon Czolgosz, had
foreign-sounding names.

* Garfield had a cat named McKinley; McKinley had a cat named Garfield.
(Okay, okay, so I made this one up.)


You get the idea. Finding spooky parallels is easy. I figure that with
minimal effort, anyone should be able to think of five or six eerie
similarities between any two presidents.

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Re: [CTRL] Ted Nugent Speaks out on Gun Rights

2000-09-19 Thread Kelly


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> http://www.newsmax.com
> Nugent Speaks Out for Gun Rights
> Stephan Archer
> Wednesday, Sept. 20, 2000
> The following is the first of a two-part interview with gun rights activist
> and guitar legend Ted Nugent.



> TN: Not at all. In fact, the statistics are irrefutable. Americans own more
> guns per capita than any society, or civilization, in the history of the
> world, yet we are at an all-time, 38-year low gun crime rate.


Notice that Mr. Nugent doesn't statistically compare crime rates with
countries such as Canada that prohibit guns.

> Now just add that up. I'm just a guitar player, so you'll have to forgive me
> because I never went to college. I was too busy learning things.

Really?


> NM: Nations around the world - including Australia, Great Britain, South
> Africa and Canada - have, for all practical purposes, banned most or all guns
> in their respective countries. How might this affect people's perspective of
> our nation's Second Amendment, and can this happen in the U.S.?

> TN: Well, first of all, people literally sacrificed their lives to try to get
> to the land of the free and the home of the brave because of the quality and
> the life experience that is based on this wonderful and hopefully perpetual
> experiment in self government. I don't remember anybody taking a raft to
> South Africa or to Australia or to Canada or to Great Britain or to Japan,
> because those people are not free.


heehee - maybe he should go to school!  The sad fact is that many 'boat'
people have died trying to get to Canada.  It's heartbreaking.  And I
have also read stories of people dying while trying to get to Australia,
and Britain is a cosmopolitan country too.  I would suggest Mr. Nugent
look beyond the borders of the US to see what is going on in the rest of
the world, but he has carved out a nice safe niche for himself.

Kelly

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Re: [CTRL] Psychology of Conspiracy Theories - CFP

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Re: [CTRL] Keep the Homophobes Out of Our Discussion

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>Nuff said!
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[CTRL] Child Molester on Probation


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Child Molester On Probation: The Screwed-Up Ethics of Judge Maria Lopez
by Shelley McKinney

If this world were perfect, there would be perfect justice. Bad deeds â if
there ever were any â would be accordingly punished with a fit sentence and
everybody would look out for the best interests of his fellow man. (If this
life were perfect, there wouldn't be people reading that last sentence and
thinking "She should have written "Everybody would look out for the best
interests of his or her fellow human beings.")

The innocence of children would be cherished and protected, and Judge Maria
Lopez would be working in a Dairy Queen, if this world were perfect. That
way, the worst harm she could inflict would be to put peanuts on someone's
ice cream cone instead of sprinkles.

Since this world isn't perfect, "transgendered" Boston-area resident Charles
Horton was undeterred by whatever remains of his conscience on November 20,
1999 when he â in his female persona â lured a twelve year old boy into his
car under the pretense of needing help in looking for a "lost child." The boy
was forced into the car and driven off.

Horton took the boy to a deserted parking lot where he forced the boy to suck
on one of his fingers. When the boy resisted, Horton intimidated him by
holding a screwdriver at his neck until he complied. According to an account
in the Boston Globe, the child was rescued by patrolling police officers, who
"noticed a head bobbing in the car."

"In a statement he gave police after being read his Miranda rights, Horton
allegedly admitted kissing the child and said that he had used the lot as a
place to perform oral sex on teenagers," stated Globe reporter John Ellement.

Horton was charged with kidnapping, indecent assault and battery, and assault
with intent to rape. His case proceeded to trial and that was where he
unfortunately met up with Superior Court Judge Maria I. Lopez.

After hearing all the evidence, Judge Lopez chose to reward evil. She was
apparently very concerned about Horton's status as a sexually confused person
and asked Assistant District Attorney David Deakin what kind of prison Horton
would be sent to â male or female. When Mr. Deakin replied that either type
of prison could keep Horton in protective custody, Lopez snapped at Deakin,
asking if Horton would be "locked up for 23 hours a day." That's evidently a
problem, right?

On Wednesday, September 6, 2000, Lopez denied David Deakin's request that
Horton be sent to prison for 8-10 years and sentenced him to a probation of
five years. Horton will be monitored by wearing an electronic ankle bracelet
only for the first year of his sentence. He will be permitted to go to church
and attend counseling sessions and university classes. You might be
interested to know that Judge Lopez handed down this sentence knowing that
Horton lives in a housing project that some six hundred children also call
home.

(Incidentally, the child Horton molested is now serving a life sentence of
painful and terrifying memories, but who cares about him?)

Lopez's decision to not jail Horton was based upon the psychological
evaluation which determined that he is not a predator. Huh?!? I find this
inexcusable, since the crime Horton was being tried for was predatory in
nature: he kidnapped, sexually assaulted, and threatened a child with bodily
harm. What more could it possibly take to prove that a person is willing to
prey upon a child? I suppose we should feel grateful that the psychological
assessment did admit that Horton has "impulses." Don't we all? For example,
my own personal impulse at this point is to move to Massachusetts and lobby
long and loud from Governor Paul Cellucci's office to make sure that this
woman and her job are soon parted.

Writes Globe staff reporter Frank Phillips: "Lopez appeared to reject prison
for the transgender Horton not because of any doubts about his guilt, but
because she feared for his safety and emotional well-being behind bars." She
also referred to this crime as a "low-scale" matter. Since Horton expressed
regret for what he had done to the boy, that made everything just peachy
again. All of you who disagree just need to get over yourselves and stop
being so judgmental.

When judges are on the bench in order to assist the villains rather than
support the victims, where does that leave us? As long as judges like Maria
Lopez are dispensing their peculiar form of "justice," we're left with a deep
moral quicksand that threatens to suck the innocent under and denies them
what they deserve: This twelve-year-old boy deserves to know that Charles
Horton is behind bars for a long, long time. What he did was wrong and evil
and there are times when saying "Gee, I'm sure sorry" just doesn't cut it.
This is one of them.

Since Lopez couldn't bring herself to make Horton face the consequences of
his actions, she has become his accessory after the fact. If he has another
"impulse" and v

[CTRL] Ted Nugent Speaks out on Gun Rights


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http://www.newsmax.com
Nugent Speaks Out for Gun Rights
Stephan Archer
Wednesday, Sept. 20, 2000
The following is the first of a two-part interview with gun rights activist
and guitar legend Ted Nugent.
Rock-and-roll legend Ted Nugent enjoys getting wild and crazy during
concerts, but offstage, the 51-year-old founder of the group Damn Yankees
becomes something of an advocate spending much of his time fighting for the
freedoms he enjoys as an American.


Above all else, Nugent values the freedom he possesses as an American to
worship God and protect his life and that of his loved ones. In his fight for
better communities, he has spoken on behalf of Mothers Against Drunk Driving,
Big Brothers/Big Sisters and the Drug Abuse Resistance Education (D.A.R.E.)
law enforcement program.

Nugent has been honored on the floor of the U.S. Senate and has been named
conservationist of the year in his home state of Michigan. He's received
numerous commendations from state police, sheriff departments, FBI, U.S. Army
and other police agencies nationwide. He also is a special deputy sheriff in
his hometown.

As an author and avid marksman, Nugent wrote "Bloodtrails: The Truth About
Bowhunting" in 1990. Most recently, he wrote "God, Guns, & Rock 'N' Roll"
earlier this year to express why he believes the right to bear arms is at the
core of his rights as an American citizen.

NewsMax.com caught up with Nugent and was able to find out more about the man
behind the book, guitar and gun. What follows is a look inside the seemingly
insoluble world of a rocker, author and advocate.

'God-Given Right to Keep and Bear Arms'

NewsMax.com: What encouraged you to write this book?

Ted Nugent: Al Regnery, the owner of Regnery publishing, read some of my
writing, saw me on a number of talk shows, and contacted me and asked me if I
would like to write a book about this peculiar gun-infested lifestyle of mine
within the wonderful world of typically drug-infested idiots of rock and
roll, and how I defied the punks, their drugs, alcohol and tobacco throughout
my life.

I've always cherished and celebrated my God-given right to keep and bear arms
and certainly my moral obligation to be capable of defending myself and my
family.

As I was talking to Mr. Regnery, I said, "Yeah, I can write a book, if I can
call it 'God, Guns, and Rock 'N' Roll.'" And he said, "Hey, that sounds like
a good title." So I pretty much jumped on it.

NM: What main point in the book do you want to get across to your readers?

TN: I think what is the most important thing about my book is that there are
no opinions in there. There are no hunches. There's no presumptuousness
whatsoever about my hands-on, eyewitness observations of these self-evident
truths and these common-sense realities that good working people across this
nation celebrate in their everyday lives, and finally it's in book form.

I'm just getting an amazing and very blessed response from people who are
saying, "Yes, that's the truth."

NM: One of the primary "self-evident truths" you talk about in your book is
the right of every American to bear arms. Are guns something people should be
afraid of?

TN: Not at all. In fact, the statistics are irrefutable. Americans own more
guns per capita than any society, or civilization, in the history of the
world, yet we are at an all-time, 38-year low gun crime rate.

Now just add that up. I'm just a guitar player, so you'll have to forgive me
because I never went to college. I was too busy learning things. The truth
is, never in the United States' history have more citizens had more concealed
weapons permits, and never before in record keeping have citizens had more
privately owned firepower than they do in the year 2000.

NM: On Page 29 of your book, you say, "The examples of fraud manipulation,
twisted statistics, and out and out lies about guns by the media are
unlimited." How does someone like yourself combat the anti-gun zealots in the
media?

TN: I do it in a whirlwind fashion. I was on Hannity and Colmes for the third
time recently. I was on Conan O'Brien and got some great licks in about guns.
I've been on Larry King and Ken Hamblin's show. I've been on Alan Colmes' own
liberal radio show. I've been on Rush Limbaugh and G. Gordon Liddy's show.

I'm on every major talk show across this country - every Christian talk show,
every rock station in this country - and I always get the truth conveyed in
an entertaining but in a dynamic fashion in that my sources are not only
irrefutable, but my presentation of common facts is easily acceptable on an
intellectual and a streetwise level.

NM: Nations around the world - including Australia, Great Britain, South
Africa and Canada - have, for all practical purposes, banned most or all guns
in their respective countries. How might this affect people's perspective of
our nation's Second Amendment, and can this happen in the U.S.?

TN: Well, first of all, people literally sacrificed their lives to try to

[CTRL] Chicago Lawsuit Against Gun Makers Misfires


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http://www.newsmax.com
Chicago Lawsuit Against Gun Makers Misfires
NewsMax.com
Wednesday, Sept. 20, 2000
A judge has thrown out Chicago Mayor Richard Daleyâs lawsuit against gun
manufacturers charging them with flooding the city with handguns.
Judge Stephen Schiller of Cook County Circuit Court told the city that
stopping illegal gun sales should be responsibility of the police and the
criminal courts. He said the city had failed to show that the gun
manufacturers, distributors and dealers had knowingly drenched the city with
illegal handguns.

The judge ruled that Chicago has put too much stress on statistical data
governing the sales of guns later used in crimes. He suggested that police
and prosecutors could more aggressively pursue the problem of weapons sold in
suburban gun shops, where law enforcement has been successful.

According to Reuters news agency, "in four recent cases brought against
suburban gun shop owners by the U.S. attorney for the Northern District of
Illinois, two were acquitted, one was found guilty, and one pleaded guilty.
They were charged with making illegal sales to "straw" purchasers who clearly
were reselling the weapons.â

A shocked Daley promised to pursue the case.

"We will appeal the ruling, of course. We will continue this fight because
it's the right thing to do, because the majority of the public is on our
side, and because it will save lives," the Chicago Democrat said.

But the record shows that such lawsuits, obviously aimed at bankrupting the
gun industry, are anything but certain winners. Out of 30 lawsuits filed by
U.S. cities against the manufacturers, four have already been thrown out, and
only five have survived initial challenges. Moreover, at least eight states
have passed laws forbidding municipalities to sue gun makers.

The Chicago lawsuit filed in 1998 was the second such case filed by a U.S.
city. New Orleans was the first to file suit against the gun industry. None
of the cases have come to trial.

Chicago sought $433 million in damages to offset expenses run up by police,
medical units and other agencies.

Daley promised he would pursue the gun industry in the courts and push for
"common-sense" gun laws. He said he failed to understand why the gun industry
should not get the same legal treatment meted out to cigarette makers and
tire makers.

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[CTRL] Harry Browne Speaks


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Interview with Harry Browne
By Brian Weiss
 Ralph Nader might make the most noise, and the battle over the Reform party
may hog the headlines, but the Libertarian party and presidential candidate
Harry Browne have quietly emerged as America's best organized third party.
Running for president for the second time, candidate Harry Browne talks to
Georgemag.com about his message of eliminating the income tax, stopping the
War on Drugs and why Al Gore and George W. Bush might belong in prison.

For people who may not be familiar with it, explain the Libertarian
philosophy.

It's very simple. Libertarians want you to be free to live your life as you
want to live it, just as long as you don't intrude on somebody else's person
or property. Libertarians think you go to work everyday, so you ought to keep
the money that you earn. If the politicians want some of that money, they
ought to ask for it instead of taking it by force. This is what separated
America from the rest of the world. Instead of kings ruling by divine right
you had a right to self-determination. All of that has been lost in the
United States. Politicians decide everything. They decide how much of your
income you are going to be allowed to keep, they decide how big your toilet
is going to be, they decide how your child's school is going to be run, how
your health insurance company has to treat you. They make all the rules. And
as a result, America is no different from any other country in the world.

Who is Harry Browne? Where did he come from and what infused him with
Libertarian values?

I was born in New York City, grew up in Los Angeles and moved to Tennessee
five years ago. I have also lived in Switzerland, Canada and California.
Professionally, I was in the investment world for thirty years and wrote a
number of books, published a newsletter and was an investment consultant. But
I didn't vote for 30 years, because I didn't see any point in trying to chose
between Democrats and Republicans because I knew that no matter who got
elected, government was just going to get bigger and more expensive and more
intrusive and more oppressive.

So you became a Libertarian?

I joined the Libertarian party in 1994 and ran for president in 1996 because
I though we had reached the point where people were so disenchanted with
government that we really did have a chance to turn things around and to
reduce the size government dramatically. And we have a chance to give you
your freedom back and let you run your life instead of having Al Gore or
George Bush do it.

Explain "The Great Libertarian Offer" in the party's platform?

The Great Libertarian offer asks this question: Would you give up your
favorite federal programs if it meant you never had to pay income tax again?
We want government to live by it's constitutional mandate. There might be one
or two things you are getting from the government that you don't want to give
up, but under a Libertarian president, you're never going to pay income tax
again, and your children will never pay income tax. Your grandchildren will
go through life without ever having to pay the terrible burden of taxation
that you had to endure.

Early on, there was a lot of speculation that Pat Buchanan's candidacy would
siphon votes from Bush. More recently Ralph Nader seemed to pose a similar
threat to Al Gore. From which party do you take votes?

Our situation is a bit different. All I have is anecdotal evidence, no
statistics, but it would certainly appear from the people who call the talk
shows and from the people I meet at political events that we are getting
about 1/3 of our new votes from Democrats and 1/3 from Republicans. The other
1/3 are from people who just haven't voted in the past because they didn't
see any point to it.

This is your second run for the presidency. In 1996 you received about half a
million votes. What are you doing differently this time around?

We have gotten better at presenting the message as anybody would over a
period of time. But the political landscape continues to change in the sense
that people are just becoming more and more disenchanted with government.

So is this approach working? Is your message resonating?

Oh sure. The party is nearly three times as large as it was in the beginning
of 1996. This makes it possible for us to do a lot of things we weren't able
to do last time. We are doing a lot more national TV advertising this time.
I've been on far more national television shows than I was in all of 1996. It
won't be enough to elect us this year, but every vote that I get lays the
groundwork to elect a Libertarian president and Libertarian congresspeople in
2002, 2004, 2006. I believe it is entirely possible that we could have a
Libertarian president and congress before the end of this decade.

Is your philosophy a harder sell amidst the prosperity in America?

I don't think so. We simply have to change the question from "a

[CTRL] Fw: MRC Alert: Bush's "Message Make-Over"; Gore Flub & Made Up Costs Skipped

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> 1) Al Gore stumbled over words and a newspaper revealed he made up
> numbers in a speech, but ABC, CBS and NBC ignored that and instead
> focused on Bush "road-testing a new image and message make-over"
> aimed at the middle class. ABC checked Gore's appeal among women.
> NBC found a woman turned off by the "conservative Dick Cheney."
> 2) CNN and FNC showed Al Gore flailing as he could not remember
> the word "mammogram" and picked up on a Boston Globe story
> headlined: "Gore Misstates Facts in Drug-Cost Pitch."
> 3) Actor Alec Baldwin, in a clip played by FNC, claimed that "if
> Bush won it would be a good time to leave the United States," but
> he will not necessarily to leave. "I might go on a long vacation."
> 4) "In many ways," CNN's Bernard Shaw insisted, Lynne Cheney "is
> the Hillary Clinton model of a political spouse: outspoken,
> involved, active on the trail."
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> against us," conceded Lanny Davis in inadvertently indicting the
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>
> > 1) A bad day on the campaign trail for Al Gore as he flailed
> about trying to find the word "mammogram" at a campaign stop
> intended to demonstrate his concern for women's health while his
> aides had to react to a Boston Globe story about how he made up
> numbers in telling an anecdote about how the same arthritis drug
> supposedly costs more for his mother-in-law than for his dog.
>
> But unlike when George W. Bush makes a flub or gets a fact
> wrong, viewers of the three broadcast networks and MSNBC's The
> News with Brian Williams heard nothing about either event as only
> CNN and FNC bothered to report them. More on the two events in
> item #2 below.
>
> ABC, which did pick up on a Globe story about a glowing
> rabbit, CBS, MSNBC and NBC all ran full stories on the campaign
> Monday night focused on, as Dan Rather put it, how Bush spent the
> day "road-testing a new image and message make-over" aimed at the
> middle class. ABC also looked at why Al Gore has won over women
> and NBC examined the undecided swing voters in Pennsylvania,
> specifically a woman "lawyer who once favored Bush, now undecided.
> Why? She says Bush's choice of conservative Dick Cheney..."
>
> Here's a rundown of the campaign stories aired Monday night,
> September 18, on the three broadcast network evening shows:
>
> -- ABC's World News Tonight. After opening with the latest
> Olympic results, ABC went right to the campaign. Dean Reynolds, as
> transcribed by MRC analyst Brad Wilmouth, outlined Bush's new
> strategy:
> "The stop in Little Rock marked the start of an effort to
> reignite Bush's campaign by refocusing on his cradle to grave
> concerns for Americans and their familiesDuring a twelve-and-
> a-half minute speech, Bush used the word 'families' 41 times, as
> he explained his plan to double the child tax credit from $500 to
> $1,000 per child and referred to other plans outlined in a glossy
> new pamphlet called 'A Blueprint for the Middle Class,' a pamphlet
> with a woman pictured on every page. That too was no accident."
>
> Reynolds recalled that Bush "once enjoyed a majority of women
> vo

Re: [CTRL] NAZI POLICY TOWARD HOMOSEXUALS


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Nate, This subject is a lose/lose one.  One group sees it as a violation of
their civil rights.  The other side sees it as interference with their
religion and parental rights.  Both sides feel strongly about such issues
and are not likely to change one bit.  As for your comment below, no, that
does not state that ALL homosexuals (this time she uses sodomites, as you
did call her) are pedophiles.  "The sodomites who are predators"  "Who are
predators" is a qualifying phrase of the word sodomites.  that means it
refers to only those sodomites who are predators.  Without voice inflection
to help determine the meaning of a poster, we can only go by their exact
words. You may be absolutely right about what she means.  But I can only go
by what she actually said.  She amy be implying exactly what you think she
is doing.  But she is not saying it. And I urge you to re-read what you have
sent me.  Note how I am only
pointing out erroneous information about a POST, not the subject but it
suddenly becomes MY hew and cry.

There was one post that quoted both Aleshia and June and attributed it to
me!  I began posting on this subject because I was tired of posters being
shouted down.  You see, the list wa so much better when the exchange of
information was free-flowing and people did not jump to conclusions and
attack posters personally and liea bout what they said.  June posts about my
"hew and cry" when in fact it is probably Aleisha's to whom she is
referring.  I think I posted one article on the subject referring to the
fact that BSA gets very little money and is prepared to get along without
it.  I did not write the article.  Does every poster have to endorse and
believe in every posts now?  If you post something positive about Cuba, will
that mean you are a communist?

I am sorry if you have been hurt by this.  folks on the other side of the
issue are fearful as they lose more and more control of the lives of their
own children.  Many religions oppose the homosexual lifestyle and parents
cannot teach their children one thing on Sunday and another on Monday.  I,
too, received letters off list, with positive things to say about not being
bullied by the hysterical accusations, etc.  But now that I have seen the
manner in which my attempts to restore some semblance of civility and fair
play have been met, I have nothing further to say to the list as a
whole  on this worn out subject.--unless I am further attacked on list.
Just diagram the sentence,
Nate, and you will easily see it does NOT say what you claim.  Just as I did
NOT say what June claimed.  Did you notice she then tried to start another
controversy
sex education?  Don't you wonder why she posts so little except to attack
the posts of others and keep the list in as much of an uproar as she
possibly can?

So what exactly would you like done to Aleisha, an older woman from the past
generation, stating her opinion?  Silence her?  Force her to believe as you
do? Abandon her religion? I would have thought you would have developed some
conditioning to this sort of thing.  My niece, whom I love dearly, is gay
and it would certainly take more than this to get her going.  I would like
to have your reply as to what it is you want from Aleshia.  And me.  How can
either side surrender on such basic issues?
Amelia 
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Subject: Re: [CTRL] NAZI POLICY TOWARD HOMOSEXUALS


> -Caveat Lector-
>
> >From Aleisha most recent post
>
> I think that if this does not prove the question asked below, I don't know
> what does
>
>
> >So much for what elements are out to destroy the boy scouts..as Mrs.
> >Lieberman said - here we are Hitler but the other 55 million are not
> >there, are they to protest outrages such as this..did our men die
> >overseas to protest the sodomists who now are predators taking aim at
> >boy scoutsand see who is behind them all the way?.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> Behalf Of Ynr Chyldz Wyld
> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2000 9:31 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] NAZI POLICY TOWARD HOMOSEXUALS
>
>
> From: "Amelia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > I have not seen anybody on this list say that ALL homosexuals are
> > pedophiles.
>
> Yet that is exactly what you are implying, especially with your hew and
cry
> regarding the Boy Scouts.  You and
> your subpersonalities are claiming that because gays would like to openly
> serve as scout leaders, that this
> will automatically lead to acts of pedophilia.
>
> That is no more true than when heterosexual adults who lead other types of
> youth groups with children of both
> sexesare you saying that all men who lead youth groups that contain
> little girls in them are automatically
> going to sexually molest those little girls?
>
>
> June
>
> http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.or

Re: [CTRL] Keep the Homophobes Out of Our Discussion

2000-09-19 Thread Mike Smith


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 blah blah 



> When they get the free use of public facilities, such as public schools,
then it costs the public money.
>
> If they wish to continue to utilize public facilities for their meetings,
let them pay rent like other PRIVATE
> organizations do.

To the best of my knowledge schools are publically funded however the
buildings themselves are not public as such.
Every "public" school I've ever been in has very prominent signs to the
effect of:
" Visitors must report to the office. Trespassers will be prosecuted"

How does one trespass on public property? You can't.

Therefore in a public school it is called public because members of the
public may attend it. But as I illustrate with
the example of the school sign previously, the edifice itself is not a
public place.

My complaints about the demonization of the BSA is about the TRUE public
places. Take Nat'l parks for example,
they are truly public not pseudo-public like a public school. That's
what gets my ire up. I could care less about any
schools that quit supporting the BSA. That's their preogative.


> > On another note, have you ever looked at your manners when you refer to
> > people as homophobes?
> > First of all phobias are mental illness.
>
> You got it.
>
>
> > To imagine you have the audacity to infer anyone who contradicts
> > your lesbian/homo  slant...err   RANT
>
> Whatever slant/rant I have is not 'lesbian/home', since I'm straight...

That's what I was hoping now do yourself and the rest of us a big favor.
Go get laid.



Mike Smith

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from:
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primary motive force behind the murders of Diana and Dodi is Elizabeth
Regent, current Queen of England, and William Jefferson Clinton, President of
the United States. Queen Elizabeth ordered the murder of Diana and Dodi
because she could not stomach the idea of William and Harry having a Muslim
step-father.  President Clinton, doing the bidding of New World Order forces,
was a willing co-conspirator. New World Order forces, knowing long ago they
would be going to war in Serbia, could not risk that Diana, who had shown
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hospital.  This photo summarizes the entire scenario behind Diana's murder:
Here you have a French official talking on his cell phone, while not more
than ten feet away the mother of the future King of England's life drains
away, when this official and every other official present should have been yel
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To the Fayed Camp:  You should forthwith use all resources necessary to
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what was said.  Further more, you should match photos of the medical
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One email correspondent to this website has speculated the official might not
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purpose of doing everything in its power to save Diana.  However, once it
became clear that high-level powers were involved, and that they (the
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There would be no logical reason for the hospital to have released that
statement denying specifically that it had stopped the ambulance in front of
the hospital if the doctors aboard had been legitimate.  It would be
interesting to match up photos of these "doctors" with British embassy
personnel known to have been in Paris that weekend, especially when we
consider MI6 top officials Richard Spearman and Richard Dearlove were both
reported to be in Paris that weekend, operating out of the British Embassy.
One thing to constantly  remembe

Re: [CTRL] Keep the Homophobes Out of Our Discussion


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From: "Mike Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> I suggest YOU reread it, because if those definitions applied to the BSA,
>> then ALL members of the public would have to be allowed to be members,
>> and that means homosexuals, atheists, satanists, whatever.
>
> Yes yes but they DON'T!. So you may as well quit that annoying sniveling
> about it and get on with life.
> They are private...so what?

Then the BSA and its homophobe supporters should stop their own sniveling when various 
public agencies decide
to no longer allow the BSA to utilize public facilities (such as public schools) for 
its meetings, or when the
United Way decides to cut funding, due to the BSA's exclusionary policies.

As a private organization, the BSA can do whatever it wants, and that is fine.  They 
just can't expect me and
other U.S. citizens as taxpayers to help fund it.


> I'd really like to read you describe one single dollar the BSA receives from
> the public coffers. Donations don't count.

When they get the free use of public facilities, such as public schools, then it costs 
the public money.

If they wish to continue to utilize public facilities for their meetings, let them pay 
rent like other PRIVATE
organizations do.


> Better yet, can you name one single public facility those
> aforementioned groups are BARRED from thereby causing this inequality and
> predjudice you so zealously work to overcome?

The 'aforementioned' groups would not be barred from using public facilities for free 
if they were not
exclusionary.


> Why is it that Satanists, Neo-Nazi's, The Black Panthers et alia should be
> granted the use of Main Street USA to parade down but not the BSA?

If the BSA has a parade permit, they have as much right to march down Main Street as 
any other group who is
granted a parade permit.  But we are not talking about a parade once a year.  We're 
talking allowing the BSA
to hold weekly meetings in local schools, and the long whining that is arising over 
the fact that certain
municipalities are now denying the BSA the free use of local public schools to hold 
their weekly meetings.


> On another note, have you ever looked at your manners when you refer to
> people as homophobes?
> First of all phobias are mental illness.

You got it.


> To imagine you have the audacity to infer anyone who contradicts
> your lesbian/homo  slant...err   RANT

Whatever slant/rant I have is not 'lesbian/home', since I'm straight...

But it's par for the course for homophobes like you to label everyone who disagrees 
with you as 'one of
them'...


> To disagree means I'm afraid, paraniod and cowering of homosexual men!

No, in your case it just means you haven't come out of the closet yet.


June

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[CTRL] NAZI POLICY TOWARD HOMOSEXUALS

2000-09-19 Thread Justine Blake


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In answer to a question below...

When it comes to the BSA, I think bringing up "what heterosexual men who
lead youth groups that contain little girls" is an obfuscation of the issue.
Even bringing up what heterosexual men DO as compared to homosexual men and
what *they* DO, is a further clouding of the overall issue to begin with.

The issue is NOT heterosexual men and never was. Rather it IS homosexual
men.

The issue is also that the BSA just happens to STAND for certain principles
-- and being straight is one of them. WHY, in God's Name, must "being
straight" now have to be an issue all in and of itself?

On another level, should homosexual men be allowed into the BSA, the BSA
would ceast to exist AS the BSA, and become something else, it's direction
and the things it stands for would become corrupted in an instant (and by
"corrupted" I mean pretty much literally, certainly eventually -- let's face
it, if things go the way they are going, all children will see they can be
either heterosexual, homosexual, transgendered, well, just any 'ol thing
they please. The BSA would have no more particular morals, as far as the
crow flies.

I would also say that many see us today as being in spiritual warfare, and
it is in the nature of the Enemy (Satan, the devil) as a con -- engage the
other person in empty "debate", "discourse", etc. Well, there certainly are
enough people talking on both sides of the equation, but there are also
those who very simply and plainly -- do not WANT homosexual men IN the BSA,
be it on moral or religious grounds. I often think that "debate" and
"discourse" is a blind, a snare -- because politikal korrektness, on the
face of it, seems ummm "right". And so, this is the Enemy's first
disception.

And so the cards are already rigged in favor of the other side (the Enemy,
also "politikal korrektness"). And so, this is how the real issues, or the
deeper issues, oftimes become obfuscated and directed into shallower, more
mundane ground.

I think the lines are pretty much drawn already, all has been said, and it's
time for the morally straight to adopt militant tactics -- just like we
witness the militant homosexuals do -- but only LOUDER and even LOUDER still
-- until the politicians pay attention that the tide has changed, that the
moral backlash has occurred.
J-


From: "Nate Fischer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I think that if this does not prove the question asked below, I don't know
> what does

But you notice, Nate, that I have yet to receive a straight (no pun
intended) answer from any of them?  ;-)

I will ask it once again:  are all you who are bemoaning the fact that gays
would like to be allowed in the
BSA saying that all heterosexual men who lead youth groups that contain
little girls in them are automatically
going to sexually molest those little girls?

If not, then what basis do you have to imply that adult male homosexuals
will be molesting their charges in
groups like the BSA?

Simple question.  Simple answer.  But seemingly too complex for the
simpletons who perpetuate the homophobe
line on this list...


June


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[CTRL] Pagans to meet at school

2000-09-19 Thread Kelly


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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/forum/skyline.htm

Pagans to meet at school

By Dale Neal,STAFF WRITER

Updated: Sep 17 at 01:30

ASHEVILLE - Pagans from around the country will attend Wednesday's
public rally at Reynolds High School, urging equal time for all
religions in the schools, according to a local organizer.

"You can have no religion in the schools. You can have all religions in
the schools, but you can't have only the Christian religion in the
schools," said Ginger Strivelli, high priestess of the Appalachian Pagan
Alliance.

Strivelli and her group requested use of the school property for their
event following last month's "We Still Pray" rally, which drew thousands
of area Christians upset by a U.S. Supreme Court ruling against
school-sponsored prayers before football games.

IF YOU WANT TO GO

The "We Still Work Magic" rally will be held 7 to 9 p.m. Wednesday at
the Reynolds High School stadium, 1 Rocket Drive.

Pagans as far away as Maine, Maryland and Oklahoma have contacted
Strivelli and said they plan to attend. The Appalachian Pagan Alliance,
one of several local Wiccan circles, numbers 100 members, according to
Strivelli. She estimates the rally may attract 1,000 or more Pagans, as
well as protesters and curious spectators.

The Alliance had to hire 15 off-duty deputies and buy liability
insurance in order to hold the rally, Strivelli said. The $1,000 in
costs have been picked up by three national Witch advocacy groups.

The rally will offer Wiccan prayers and blessings. Speakers will include
Dara Kaye Wynne, assistant national director of Witches Against
Religious Discrimination, and Diotima Mantineia, associate editor of
Witches Voice, a popular Internet Web site for pagans. Stivelli will
speak, along with Beth Langley, the co-founder of the Appalachian Pagan
Alliance, and an Alliance member, Thomas Pendragon Brice.

Strivelli said funds also have been contributed by the Alternative
Religion Education Network.

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Re: [CTRL] Keep the Homophobes Out of Our Discussion

2000-09-19 Thread Mike Smith

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Subject: Re: [CTRL] Keep the Homophobes Out of Our Discussion

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> From: "Mike Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > What part of the word PUBLIC do you fail to understand June? The BSA may
be
> > a private institution as such. And be that as it may, the members
thereof
> > are still comprised of the PUBLIC.

> When members of the public join together in a PRIVATE, exclusionary group,
they are no longer members of the
> public at large, but private citizens congregating in a private group.  As
such, they have no right to expect
> the public to foot their bill.

Of course they are a private group! They are members of the PUBLIC in a
private group.
And by the way, private citizens ARE members of the public too. And if the
homosexual members of the land wanted to
start their own private group then I'd be damned well fighting for their
allowed use of public facilities.
Personally I couldn't care less if the BSA was a ONLY homosexual group! They
should still be able to go to the park, forest,
campground...whatever...just as you and I can enjoy.

A philosophy of thought one way or the other does NOT render people either
members of the public or not.
We have freedoms of thought and association remember?

>
> > Now June, reread definitions 1a, 2a & 2c, 3a, 5 & 6a
>
> I suggest YOU reread it, because if those definitions applied to the BSA,
then ALL members of the public would
> have to be allowed to be members, and that means homosexuals, atheists,
satanists, whatever.

Yes yes but they DON'T!. So you may as well quit that annoying sniveling
about it and get on with life.
They are private...so what?

> Would you suggest that the Freemasons, or the Hibernians, or the Catholic
or Satanist churches, or gay
> activist groups, receive public funds and the use of public facilities?
They are all made up of members of
> the public, also.

I'd really like to read you describe one single dollar the BSA receives from
the public coffers. Donations don't count.
Do you have a "boy scout" tax where you live June?
Is that how they are funded? No! If the BSA was funded the way the gay and
femenist  lobbys in Washington
they'd get so much from the public tit they wouldn't need all those
fundraisers they do.

Better yet, can you name one single public facility those
aforementioned groups are BARRED from thereby causing this inequality and
predjudice
you so zealously work to overcome?

Why is it that Satanists, Neo-Nazi's, The Black Panthers et alia should be
granted the use of
Main Street USA to parade down but not the BSA? They all seem exclusive in
membership.

On another note, have you ever looked at your manners when you refer to
people as homophobes?
First of all phobias are mental illness. To imagine you have the audacity to
infer anyone who contradicts
your lesbian/homo  slant...err   RANT is  "predisposed to mental
illness" when rebutting, debating, ignoring
or displaying apathy towards the lesbian/homo socio-political agenda.

To disagree means I'm afraid, paraniod and cowering of homosexual men!
roflmao

Maybe you should get yourself some psychiatric credentials so you can
legitimize that derogatory
mental illness diagnosis you're so quick to disperse.

Nuff said!

Mike Smith

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[CTRL] Psychology of Conspiracy Theories - CFP

2000-09-19 Thread Justine Blake


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PROFILES OF:
- Militia members
- Pat Robertson and the Christian Right
- Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam

Maybe I'm reading the "Profiles" part all wrong, but I rather resent how Pat
Robertson and the Christian Right (and even Farrakhan and the Nation of
Islam, and even Militia members), are lumped under this idea of "conspiracy"
for this Psychology of Conspiracy Theories" special theme issue, December,
2000, of _Clio's Psyche: Understanding the 'Why' of Culture,
Current Events, History, and Society_.

The theme of the issue seems to imply that the three groups have no right to
their ideas, that the imagine "conspiracies", and an implication that they
are hence extremists and fringe.

Unless I've read the whole "call for papers" wrong, but this is the
impression I get that this "special issue" is already slanted, in order to
elicit papers that show how the three groups are wrong, blinded by
fanaticism, and maybe even unwilling to go along with what is taken in the
"mainstream" as politikal korrektness.

Just a thought, but that's how it looks to me.

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[CTRL] Fw: THE MEDIA WAR AGAINST THE GODDESS CULTURE


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Is there  a Media War coming against the Goddess Culture?

by Ed Hubbard
September 18, 2000
URL: http://www.themestream.com/articles/180575.html


 THE MEDIA WAR AGAINST THE GODDESS CULTURE
by Rev. Ed Hubbard

Today the Goddess Culture is a growing, even thriving society within our Global 
Civilization.  In the United
States, We see various Groups seeking to provide service to the Goddess-Based Culture, 
others providing
networking tools, yet others supply goods, while others yet seek to exploit it for 
commercial reasons.
Hollywood adores the idea of a Goddess Culture and mainstream media has a 
love-hate-confusing relationship
with the various communities.  All of this points to signs of growth and changing 
ideas all around us, that
have given the community space to mature.

When I speak of the Goddess Culture, I speak of individuals, singly and collectively, 
which hold that life is
in itself, divine and hold at least some ideas of feminine forms of Deity, as well as 
male deity forms.  Often
they see the Living Earth as mother, and symbolically Our Divine Mother, provider of 
life.  This community has
labels that include Pagans, Wiccan, Isians and Ecospiritualists but may also include 
Gaiaist Scientists,
Environmentalists, and even Evolutionists.  This is by no means an inclusive list, 
just a sampling of
individuals who share some belief in Divine life.

We have seen the Goddess Culture grow in the United States, Europe, Australia, South 
America, Parts of Asia,
and now deeply in South Africa.  Everywhere we turn see communities awakening and 
networking at incredible
speeds. This has been a turning point for a faith that is most ancient and newly born 
for this age.

But we are seeing a conflict emerge between those who hold stricter Christian Beliefs 
and the newly emerging
Goddess Culture.  I am defining stricter Christian Groups as ones who believe in 
separation from nonbelievers
and obedience to God, Church, and State, usually in that order.  That theirs is the 
only proper way of life
and that Laws based on religious beliefs should be placed on all members of society.  
Of Course, not just the
Goddess Community, but any community which does not share Similar Christian Values as 
community standards and
recognize the appropriate power structure will come under attack.  The Goddess Culture 
is becoming a much more
frequent target by these forces.

The question is why the Goddess Community (Mostly Pagan/Wiccan components) come under 
attack and why this is
just the beginning of a first volleys in a larger Media War?  The Strict Christian 
Community depends upon a
structure of Churches, Sunday Schools, Mass or Services, Schools, and Family 
Participation as the process to
control and even grow their congregations.  This structure provides stability and 
security for all parties
involved.  They are secure of the rules of society and their place within that 
community.  Yet by having just
such an alliance, it then becomes an easier task to elect individuals to government 
office that share this
belief and support the continued advancement of the this structure.  This allows the 
Church, and their
leadership to carry out a crucial function, Control of Knowledge.

Control Of Knowledge is the primary mechanism of perpetuation of the Strict Christian 
Community.  Schools,
Government Officials, Churches, Families, even Law Enforcement require uniform 
standards of behavior according
to this system.  Lastly, combined with control of Media and sources of news truly 
controls the education and
knowledge base, and in turn controls the behavior of the group with powerful means of 
forcing those who
disagree into submission or isolation.

What does this have to do with the Growing Goddess Culture?  It is a diverse community 
utilizing long-range
forms of communication.  We exist strongly in many places, we are active, and we are 
dedicated.  In the older
structure of State Christianity, we would have been left isolated in our local 
communities.  But we believe in
unity and fellowship beyond the local community and share across nations.  And we 
evolve.

Today's world is becoming hyperactive, accelerated, and wired for the concept of open 
communication.
Regularly beyond any one government's or societies control humanity is communicating.  
Open communications
threatens isolated communities, as new information enters.

Individuals, singly and in mass, are gaining access to their own knowledge, be it for 
entertainment or serious
inquiry.  Isolated and powerless, together across vast distance we work together 
almost in telepathic fashion.
This changes societies and old power structures break down, and in the end wars may 
emerge.  Conflict at the
very least as old beliefs are tested.

When control is lost, one must surrender or conduct a war, even if only a war of 
words.  War in the Media is
the most acceptable form of violence available to those who insist on control today.

Re: [CTRL] NAZI POLICY TOWARD HOMOSEXUALS


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From: "Nate Fischer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I think that if this does not prove the question asked below, I don't know
> what does

But you notice, Nate, that I have yet to receive a straight (no pun intended) answer 
from any of them?  ;-)

I will ask it once again:  are all you who are bemoaning the fact that gays would like 
to be allowed in the
BSA saying that all heterosexual men who lead youth groups that contain little girls 
in them are automatically
going to sexually molest those little girls?

If not, then what basis do you have to imply that adult male homosexuals will be 
molesting their charges in
groups like the BSA?

Simple question.  Simple answer.  But seemingly too complex for the simpletons who 
perpetuate the homophobe
line on this list...


June

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Re: [CTRL] The Gay Youth Suicide Myth


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From: "Amelia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> What an outlandish assumption!  You are really reaching here, June!  What
> does sex education have to do with personal
> preference/peccadilloes/fetishes?  What YOU are saying is that it should
> include such things and it certainly should not any more than the
> reproductive system should be taught by dropping one's pants. an adult
> discussing their personal sex life with children is inappropriate and a form
> of sexual abuse. But it is so very "June" of you to think it should be
> taught this way.

I never said that.  YOU are the one making up fantasies out of whole cloth...

You children shouldn't hear about sex, period, so that sounds very much like someone 
who is against sex
education.


June

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[CTRL] Psychology of Conspiracy Theories - CFP

2000-09-19 Thread Stan Pope


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Call for Papers:
The Psychology of Conspiracy Theories

Dear Colleague,

I cordially invite you to contribute to the "Psychology of Conspiracy Theories" special
theme issue, December, 2000, of _Clio's Psyche: Understanding the 'Why' of Culture,
Current Events, History, and Society_.  We seek articles on the historical motivation 
of
conspiracy theories -- the Why here and Why now?  Why there and Why then? -- from
a psychological or psychoanalytic perspective, supported by examples from current 
events
or history.

SUGGESTED TOPICS INCLUDE:
- Historical overview of conspiracy theories
- Psychodynamics of conspiracy theories
- Ethnic and racial group conspiracy theories as part of group's identity
- Childhood roots of conspiracy theories
- Conspiracy theories as traumatic reliving
- The pleasure and pain of the secret knowledge of conspiracy theories
- Which historical circumstances favor the development and diffusion of conspiracy 
theories
- Distinguishing between real and rational conspiratorial politics, and imagined and 
irrational
conspiracy theories
- Revisiting Richard Hofstadter's "The Paranoid Style in American Politics" 35 Years 
Later
- Beyond "pathology," or the legitimate social function(s) of moderate mainstream 
"conspiracism"
- Reasonable suspicion as a rational watchfulness rather than paranoia
- Meeting the need to know vis-à-vis government and organization secrecy
- Satisfying the need for enemies against whom the self or group can be defined
- Collective delusions that reflect real social problems

CASE ANALYSES:
- New World Order (NWO) and militias
- Alien encounters and government cover-up
- Anti-Semitism in Japan without Jews
- AIDS and drugs among Afro-Americans
- Death of Princess Diana

PROFILES OF:
- Militia members
- Pat Robertson and the Christian Right
- Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam

CONSPIRACY THEORIES IN MEDIA:
- The "conspiracy community" of radio, books, magazines, and Internet sources that 
promote
conspiracy theories
- Conspiracy theories as entertainment, even thrill-seeking
- Greek mythology/literature/theater and Shakespeare's plays as an ancient form of 
media promotion
of conspiracy theory
- Radio talk shows
- Television's "X-Files" and/or profile of Chris Carter
- Cinema's Conspiracy Theory (1997), Parallax View (1974), and Manchurian Candidate 
(1962), as well
as other paranoia films
- JFK (1992) and/or profile of Oliver Stone
- Are conspiracy theories on the Internet, with the many sites, zines, newsgroups, and 
mailing lists, just
more of the same or is it qualitatively different?
- Analyzing two to four weeks of postings to electronic mailing list "CTRL" 
(Conspiracy Theory Research
List) or newsgroup "alt.conspiracy" or both.

REVIEW ESSAYS OR REVIEWS:
- Mark Fenster, Conspiracy Theories: Secrecy and Power in American Culture (1999)
- Carl F. Graumann and Serge Moscovici (eds.), Changing Conceptions of Conspiracy 
(1987)
- George E. Marcus (ed.), Paranoia Within Reason: A Casebook on Conspiracy as 
Explanation (1999)
- Timothy Melley, Empire of Conspiracy: The Culture of Paranoia in Postwar America 
(2000)
- Nancy Lusignan Schultz (ed.), Fear Itself: Enemies Real and Imagined in American 
Culture (1998)
- Daniel Pipes, Conspiracy: How the Paranoid Style Flourishes and Where It Comes From 
(1997)
- Robert Singh, The Farrakhan Phenomenon: Race, Reaction, and the Paranoid Style in 
American Politics (1997)

We are looking for articles from 500 to 1500 words -- including your brief biography 
-- written for the
educated layperson and without psychological/psychoanalytic terminology or jargon.

An abstract or outline should be submitted by October 1 and the article by October 15, 
e-mailed as a
Microsoft _Word_ or a rich text format (*.rtf) file to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
Articles will be refereed.
The editors reserve the right to reject any article as unsuitable.

I hope you can join this important endeavor.  If you have any questions please contact 
me at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] .  _Clio's Psyche_, a scholarly quarterly now in its seventh 
year of
publication, is edited by Paul H. Elovitz, PhD, and published by the Psychohistory 
Forum.  For more
information, please visit our Web site at www.cliospsyche.com.

Sincerely,

Bob Lentz, Associate Editor
_Clio's Psyche_
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Re: [CTRL] (CTRL) OT: Scientists conclusively I.D.Christ'sfingerprint(fwd)

2000-09-19 Thread Nurev Ind Research

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"Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote:
>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> In a message dated 09/15/2000 9:54:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> << Yeah especially in churches and among the clerical hierarchy. >>
>
> Well, Joshua, was the Last Supper a Passover meal?

I don't know. But it was almost certainly a Jewish holiday meal considering
that the city was full of pilgrims. All the holidays and every sabbath has
Jews making a prayer over wine and bread ( sound familiar?). Holiday and
sabbath meals are special occasions requiring that people set out the finest
settings and utensils they are capable of. Every household probably had a
silver cup for the ' kiddush'.

> I'm sure if I was a
> student of the Bible, I would know this, but I'm not sure.  Yes, I agree that
> Christ was born into a middle class family with a carpentry business.  Even
> his place of birth was one that under the circumstances demonstrated that
> Joseph had enough money to secure a warm place even under very crowded
> conditions.  The poor would have been huddled outside the caravansaray walls
> which provided little safety and proximity to the toilet area.  There are
> still villages where people go "outside the walls" for toilet purposes.

> I
> have never known any Jews who have taken a vow of poverty, so I do not know
> what vessels they allow themselves with which to celebrate Passover.

Only an idiot would take a vow of poverty. This is not a Jewish concept, so
it is likely that it's not true about Jesus and his followers. Jews are
encouraged towards act of charity for the poor. Not to be poor. The Jesus
movement were known as " The Poor." meaning the oppressed.

> There's something incongruous about  a group who have taken a vow of poverty
> drinking wine from a jewel encrusted cup.  Prudy

Yes there is. If it were true. I doubt that the NT version is true.

J2

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across the country in order to challenge the monopoly held by the major
media networks on the national vote-counting process. 

Despite the widespread belief that the government supervises the tally of
the results on election night, the reality is entirely different: The vote
is tallied by a little-known private corporation called Voter News Service
(VNS), located in New York City.

Created in 1970 as News Election Service (NES), VNS has existed in near
total secrecy for 30 years and may well be the most powerful corporation in
the world.

VNS is a creature of the major networks, including Fox and CNN, the wire
services, The New York Times and The Washington Post.

The networks have total control of the vote-counting process in this
country is how James and Kenneth Collier des cribed the power of VNS in
Votescam: The Stealing of America.*

VNS is run by Bill Headline, executive director, and a board of managers,
which is comprised of a representative from each of the six major networks:
Carolyn Smith from ABC; Tom Jory from AP; Kathy Frankovic from CBS; Tom
Hannon from CNN; and Sheldon Gawiser from NBC.

Robert Zimmerman of Fox News re fused to provide the name of the Fox
representative.

Liberty Lobbys legislative liaison Christopher Bollyn recently visited the
office of VNS in New York City and al though Bill Headline was unwilling to
be interviewed, Bollyn spoke with Lee C. Shapiro, director of media services.

When Bollyn asked Shapiro about allegations that VNS has co-opted the
vote-counting process in America, Shapiro insisted that the results they
disseminate are unofficial.

The office was surprisingly messy and unprofessional, Bollyn said. There
is a troubling atmosphere of secrecy and I wouldnt trust any data that
these people provide.

When Bollyn asked Shapiro if she thought that the networks should be
involved in counting the vote, she said that there is no federal law
mandating how votes are to be counted.

A VNS brochure provided by Shapiro states Voter News Service is the only
national news organization charged with tabulating election-night voting
results.

The vote results are tabulated in each county, mainly by computer, and then
transferred to VNS where they are tabulated in secret and disseminated to
the public, which accepts them without question.

When Bollyn asked Tom Hannon, CNN representative at VNS, about the
possibility of the election results being altered within the computer, by
the internal computer code, which is secret, or by external hacking,
Hannon replied that he was way off.

Hannon said that VNS does not count the vote but went on to say I am
confident that it is an accurate vote count. It reflects what we are being
told by state and local officials.

However, computer tabulated votes at any level, precinct, county or state
leave no paper trailthey cannot be recounted or verified.

Only the person who wrote the program to count votes in each state knows if
the results are fair or if fraud has been committed. The process is neither
transparent nor verifiable. The software is not open to public scrutiny.
Neither is VNS.

The brochure goes on to say VNS is a member of the National Council of
Public Polls (NCPP) and adheres to its standards. 

However, when The SPOTLIGHT called the phone number for NCPP provided by
Shapiro to ask about the standards, the phone was answered by the office of
the Andrew Kohut at the Pew Trust. 

Kohuts secretary told The SPOTLIGHT that NCPP doesnt really exist
anywhere but that it has a web site, (www.ncpp.org). 

>From the web site all inquiries about NCPP are directed to Edward J. Efchak
at (201) 646-4379, vice president of marketing and research at The Record, a
newspaper in Hackensack, N.J.

When Efchaks office was called, the secretary said that she had never heard
of NCPP.

Deputized

The West Virginia Reform Party, by unanimous vote of the executive
committee, has decl

[CTRL] Lon...er Lynne Cheney..."Hard To Muzzle"


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October 2, 2000
'Hard to Muzzle':
The Return of Lynne Cheney
by JON WIENER


Lynne Cheney recently told reporters that she doesn't like being called
"strident" or "combative." The former head of the National Endowment for the
Humanities, appointed by Reagan in 1986, showed her moderate side at the
Republican National Convention, where she introduced her husband, Dick, the
Vice Presidential nominee. She dutifully followed a script that had her
praising him as a "fabulous father" and successful fly fisherman. But somehow
she wasn't very convincing. A few days later Newsday called her "the woman
with the sock in her mouth," and the Chicago Sun-Times named her speech the
"worst performance" of the convention, because she "felt compelled to portray
herself so, well, lamely."

What was missing from the portrayal was the right-wing warrior who used her
post at the NEH to fight the Republican culture wars of the eighties; the
ideologue who, after continuing to serve as head of the NEH through the Bush
years, resigned following Clinton's election and moved to the American
Enterprise Institute to write Op-Ed hit pieces, and later co-hosted the
now-defunct CNN show Crossfire Sunday--she was the one "on the right." In her
heyday Lynne Cheney was not just a conservative gadfly; after she targeted
the National History Standards in 1994, the Senate voted 99 to 1 in support
of her call to defund the project. Very few opinion writers ever experience
that kind of triumph.

All this is history, but it's history that has suddenly become relevant,
because Cheney's friends in high places--the New York Post editorial page,
for example--have already endorsed her for Secretary of Education in a George
W. Bush administration. Now she's hard at work campaigning for the ticket--to
be sure, in her new noncontroversial mode. On the campaign trail in
California recently, she played the Laura Bush role and did the wifely thing,
visiting an elementary-school classroom for a photo-op with little kids and
ironing her husband's shirts. William Bennett, another conservative cultural
warrior and a personal friend of hers from the old days, doesn't think this
will last. He told the Washington Post, "She'll be hard to muzzle."

Bennett's point is indisputable: If Bush goes to the White House, Lynne
Cheney may well lead a revival of those eighties culture wars. Even if she
doesn't get a Cabinet post, it's hard to imagine that with her skill and
commitment, she would not play a major role as wife of the Vice President.
It's true that George W.'s "compassionate" theme represents a renunciation of
Gingrich's brand of zealotry, that much of the old Reagan crowd is gone and
that the culture wars are mostly history. Still, Lynne Cheney is, for all
practical purposes, on the ticket. Everything she's done up to now shows her
to be an ideological pugilist, eager to play the role of hit man; at the same
time, she has been a master at getting herself into the limelight. Making war
on liberals is her forte.

She started as chairwoman of the NEH in 1986 with slender qualifications--a
PhD in literature from the University of Wisconsin and a three-year stint as
an editor of Washingtonian magazine. Her main qualification seems to have
been as wife of a leading Congressional conservative and former Ford
Administration Chief of Staff. At the NEH, Cheney, now 59, perfected a method
of attack that depends more on hyperbole than accuracy. One of her first
campaigns was aimed at a PBS series, The Africans, that she called
"propaganda" because it described Africa's historic problems as a consequence
of European exploitation. She insisted on removing the NEH's name from the
credits and refused to approve endowment publicity funding for the
series--actions she termed "a defense of free speech." The controversy
enabled her to seize the limelight for her own brand of political correctness.

At the NEH she also criticized colleges for shifting away from traditional
Western Civilization courses toward global history and culture. The American
experience, she argued, was the high point of world history: "I find it hard
to imagine that there's a story more wonderful than being driven by the
desire to worship freely, to set off across that ocean, to make a home out of
this wild and inhospitable land."

Cheney's initiatives at the NEH aroused cries of dismay from much of
academia, but she stumbled only once, in her effort to pack the advisory
panel of the NEH with right-wingers, who lacked the requisite
qualifications--especially Carol Iannone. Iannone had gained fame for a
Commentary article in which she said that giving National Book Awards and
Pulitzer Prizes to African-American women writers like Toni Morrison and
Alice Walker sacrificed "the demands of excellence to the democratic
dictatorship of mediocrity." Despite a major lobbying effort by Cheney, her
1991 nomination of Ianonne was killed by the Senate.

* * *

When Cheney moved to the American Enterpri

Re: [CTRL] "The Jesuit Oath" was... NAZI HOMOSEXUALS & JESUIT INFILTRATORS

2000-09-19 Thread TED SAARI


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Samantha,

The book "Rulers of Evil: Useful Knowledge About Governing Bodies" 1999 by
F. Tucker Saussy cites and reproduces this alleged Jesuit Oath on pages
48-51.  ISBN 0-9673768-0-7 first Edition  Published by Ospray Bookmakers,
Reno NV.  further info - Pastoral Business, 1223 wilshire Blvd - No.855,
Santa Monica, CA 90403 Ospray Bookmakers is an IMPRIMATUR of the Order of
Simon Peter, Las Vegas, NV  purchase at www.tuckersaussy.com

On page 48 it is stated concerning the extreme oath of the Society of Jesus:

"The Society does not open its extreme oath of obedience to public
inspection.  However, a script alleged to be a true facsimile was translated
by Edwin A. Sherman and deposited in the Library of Congress with the number
BX3705.s56."

Info about the existence and availability of this book was posted on CTRL
about a month or so ago.  The post should be locatable in the CTRL archive.
I purchased a copy based on that post.  I believe the book contains valuable
information in addition to much conjecture and speculation about the Jesuit
influences in roots of the USA.

Ted

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>Subject: Re: [CTRL] "The Jesuit Oath" was... NAZI HOMOSEXUALS & JESUIT
> INFILTRATORS
>Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 05:35:11 EDT
>
>   I was encouraged to read the "Jesuit Oath' recently and was shocked.
>The
>RC's I've talked to adamantly deny this is real.
>
>   I haven't had much time to research the sourcing on this.  The text was
>apparently entered into the Congressional record and is claimed to be in
>the
>Library of Congress.  I did a quick search at the Library of Congress site
>and couldn't find it, though.
>
>   If anyone knows if this is a genuine Oath or not, I'd appreciate any
>information you have.  If it is real, it sure backs up everything you
>claimed
>and quoted, Aaron.
>
>   It's definitely worth a scroll.   (Samantha)
>
>http://www.bloomington.in.us/~lgthscac/romancatholicism.htm
>
>The Ceremony of Induction and Extreme Oath of the Jesuits - from the
>Library
>of Congress, Washington D.C. Catalog Card 66-43354:
>
>A Jesuit to be elevated to command, is brought in front of an altar with a
>Superior in front, and a monk on either side. One holds a Papal banner of
>yellow and white, and the other a black banner bearing a dagger, and red
>cross over a skull and crossbones with the words: INRI IUSTUM NECAR REGES
>IMPIOS meaning It is just to exterminate or annihiliate impious or
>heretical
>Kings, Governments or Rulers. Kneeling on a red cross on the floor, the
>Superior hands him a small black crucifix, which in his left hand, he
>presses
>to his heart, and a dagger, grasped by the blade, he holds against his
>heart,
>with the Superior holding the hilt, who now addresses him as follows:
>
>"My son, heretofore you have been taught to act the dissembler: among Roman
>Catholics to be a Roman Catholic, and to be a spy even among your own
>brethren; to believe no man, to trust no man. Among the Reformers to be a
>Reformer, - among the Calvinists, to be a Calvinist; among the Protestants,
>generally to be a Protestant; and obtaining their confidence to seek even
>to
>preach from their pulpits, and to denouce with all the vehemence in your
>nature our Holy Religion and the Pope; and even to descend so low as to
>become a Jew among the Jews, that you might be enabled to gather together
>all
>information for the benefit of your Order as a faithful soldier of the
>Pope.
>
>"You have been taught to insidiously plant the seeds of jealously and
>hatred
>between communities, provinces and states that were at peace, ad incite
>them
>to deeds of blood, involving them in war with each other, and to create
>revolutions and civil wars in countries that were independent and
>properous,
>cultivating the arts and the sciences and enjoying the blessings of peace..
>To take sides with the combatants and to act secretly in concert with your
>brother Jesuit, who might be engaged on the other side, but openly opposed
>to
>that with which you might be connected; only that the (Roman) Church might
>be
>the gainer in the end, in the conditions fixed in the treaties for peace
>and
>that the end justifies the means
>
>"You have been taught your duty as a spy, to gather all statistics, facts
>and
>information in your power from every source; to ingratiate yourself into
>the
>confidence of the family circle of Protestants and heretics of every class
>and character, as well as that of the merchant, the banker, the lawyer,
>among
>the schools and universities, in parliaments and legislatures, and in the
>judiciaries and councils of state, and to "be all things to all men," for
>the
>Pope's sake, whose servants we are unto death.
>
>"You have received all your instructions heretofore as a novice, a
>neophyte,
>and have served as a coadjutor, confessor and priest, but you have not yet
>be

[CTRL] re: Mary Jo Schneller’s ’99 Conference Presentation

2000-09-19 Thread Smart News


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Hi !

Below please find a url for Mary Jo Schnellerâs â99 Conference Presentation.
This may be very triggering for survivors of abuse. She discusses mind
control, ritual abuse and types of programming.

Sincerely,  Neil Brick

from http://members.aol.com/smartnews/mj00.html

"I am a therapist and have been working with survivors of ritual abuse and
(alleged) ritual abuse, mind control and Masonic ritual abuse. I have been
working with survivors since about 1988 or 89. When my first case came to me,
I had no clue what MPD or DID was. At the time, I just thought the person had
some behavioral problems-- not knowing that this person had ritual abuse. But
when this one started in with therapy, she started disclosing some things
that led me to believe she had been ritually abused. And so, during the
process of that, I decided I wanted to do some research."

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[CTRL] Sino-Russian Alliance Threatens U.S. Global Policies


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Sino-Russian Alliance Threatens U.S. Global Policies
NewsMax.com
Tuesday, Sept. 19, 2000
The increasing relationship between China and Russia spell trouble for the
United States, a top foreign policy expert warns.
Writing in the Los Angeles Times, Paula Dobriansky, a vice president of the
globalist Council on Foreign Relations, insists that the Chinese and Russians
have formed a "strategic alliance" that has "major adverse consequences for
international stability."

Admitting that this fact flies in the face of the common wisdom that holds
that the alliance is a mere marriage of convenience "with the two sides
espousing divergent views on key issues," Dobriansky writes that even if the
Chinese and Russians disagree on some issues, that gives America no reason to
be complacent.

Despite any differences that may exist between them, they share similar vital
strategic concerns. Both, for example, deeply resent Americaâs dominant
global power and the "growing U.S.-led international consensus" in favor of
alleged humanitarian interventions.

In fact, it was one of those "humanitarian interventions" that helped the two
powers draw together.

The U.S.-led war against the Serbs in Bosnia infuriated the Russians, who
view the Serbs as fellow Slavs who live within Russiaâs traditional sphere of
influence. They viewed Americaâs intervention in Kosovo as an assault on
Russian interests and as a warning that the U.S. has hostile intentions
toward them.

Making the situation even more difficult for the Russians was the fact that
the U.S. sided with the Albanian Muslims since Moscow sees itself as being
surrounded by Islamic fundamentalists bent on tearing the Russian Federation
to pieces.

The Chinese also saw the Kosovo intervention as a clear indication of U.S.
determination to exercise its status as the worldâs only superpower and
impose its will on a sovereign state.

The bombing of Beijingâs embassy in Belgrade further exacerbated Chinese
anger over the intervention.

The incident drove Moscow and Beijing into each otherâs arms. Since that
time, the alliance has taken on more substance, with the Russians supplying
cheap armaments and munitions to the Chinese, enabling them to beef up their
navy and air force and making them a greater threat to Taiwan.

Moreover, Moscow has used its ties to Beijing to form a new alliance with the
Central Asian republics and increase its influence in Asia.

U.S. plans to build a national missile defense also helped to draw the two
nations even closer, because both are vehemently opposed to such a
development.

Dobriansky notes that while the Sino-Russian alliance hasnât got the strength
to pose a real threat to the United States, it is in a position to thwart
U.S. plans in a number of areas.

"While Russia and China cannot match U.S. power, there is no doubt that,
working together, they can cause much global mischief," she wrote.

"Sino-Russian efforts can complicate our nonproliferation efforts, exacerbate
regional problems in Europe and Asia and make the U.N. Security Council less
willing to support U.S. initiatives. More fundamentally, this alliance
provides impetus to other countries to oppose U.S. policies."

The end result is that "for the first time since the Sino-Soviet military
clashes of the late 1960s, two of Eurasia's major military powers stand
united in opposition to the United States, ready to counter most of
Washington's international endeavors," Dobriansky concluded.




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[CTRL] Brain-Updating Machinery May Explain False Memories

2000-09-19 Thread Kelly


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September 19, 2000

Brain-Updating Machinery May Explain False Memories
By SANDRA BLAKESLEE

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/09/19/science/19MEMO.html

Scientists may have found a biological reason to explain why two people
who witness the same event will, years later, often have different
memories of what happened.

It seems that every time an old memory is pulled into consciousness, the
brain takes it apart, updates it and then makes new proteins in the
process of putting the memory back into long-term storage. The fact that
new proteins are made means that the memory has been transformed
permanently to reflect each person's life experiences  not the memory
itself.

The finding is based on research involving a specific kind of fear
memory in animals, but many experts predict that it may also hold true
for other kinds of memories in humans. They also say that the discovery
could lead to ways of altering or erasing people's memories.

The research, carried out at the Center for Neural Science at New York
University, was described in the Aug. 17 issue of the journal Nature.
This is the first good neurobiological explanation of the way memories
are updated, said Dr. Daniel Schacter, a Harvard psychology professor
and a memory expert. "It's a mistake to think that once you record a
memory, it is forever fixed," he said.

Dr. Elizabeth Loftus, a psychologist who studies memory at the
University of Washington in Seattle, said: "This is very interesting
research. We're on the brink of being able to figure out how you might
accomplish something like memory engineering."

It may be possible to erase traumatic memories in people who are plagued
by them, she said, and to better understand how false memories are
implanted into people's minds when they are given suggestions that they
want to believe.

It has been known for at least 100 years that newly formed memories are
initially unstable, said Dr. Yadin Dudai, a neurobiologist at the
Weizmann Institute of Science in Rehovot, Israel. A bump on the head, an
electric shock or certain drugs can disrupt the process that gradually
turns short-term memories into long-term memories through the production
of new connections and protein synthesis in memory circuits.

In the 1960's, researchers showed that certain drugs could interfere
with the recall of memories, he said, but the research did not get very
far because the drugs affected the entire brain and could not be traced
to cellular mechanisms in memory networks.

Dr. Karim Nader and Dr. Glenn Shafe, research assistant professors at
N.Y.U., carried out the new experiments on memory recall in ways that
reveal those cellular mechanisms with much greater precision. In a
process called fear conditioning, they simultaneously played a tone and
delivered an electric shock to the feet of caged rats. Later, when the
rats heard just the tone, they froze; they had learned to be afraid.

Researchers know exactly how and where this fear memory is hardwired in
the rat's amygdala, a part of the brain that processes emotions.

If the rat's amygdala is injected with a drug that blocks protein
synthesis shortly after fear conditioning, it does not acquire long-term
memory of the fear, Dr. Shafe said.

But if the drug is injected six or more hours later, the memory is not
blocked; the brain has made new proteins to consolidate and store the
memory.

For six hours or so the memory is what scientists term "labile"  open
or sensitive to some kind of manipulation. After this period, the memory
is firmly in place.

"I was bored with these experiments," Dr. Nader said. "I began thinking,
what happens to a memory when you remember it? It would be so cool if it
became labile again." He proposed a new experiment: animals would be
trained to associate the tone with the electric shock. The researchers
would wait a day or more for the fear memory to consolidate. Then they
would present the animal with the tone (to retrieve the memory) and a
drug that blocks protein synthesis.

"I said the drug would have no effect" on past learning, Dr. Shafe said.
If anything, the animal's fear memory should be stronger because the
drug could deter the animal from learning that a tone was not
necessarily associated with a shock  and that would reinforce the
original fear memory. The two scientists bet a cocktail on the outcome.
A few weeks later, Dr. Nader won a cosmopolitan.

"My jaw just hit the floor when I saw the result," he said. Instead of
freezing at the tone, the rats scarcely reacted. It means memories
become labile and open to revision every time they are recalled, Dr.
Nader said. And new proteins have to be made before the memories are put
back into storage.

Both researchers emphasized that this finding was only a first step in
exploring the biology of how the brain consolidates and manipulates
memories. It is not known if much older and more established memories
are open to editing or if this mechanism is restricted to fear memories
al

[CTRL] Rep. Traficant-Allowing Janet Reno to Get Away With Treason


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"The Only Time She Said 'Yes' Was to Helping Communist China
House of Representatives

September 18, 2000


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(Mr. TRAFICANT asked and was given permission to address the House for 1
minute and to revise and extend his remarks.)

Mr. TRAFICANT. Mr. Speaker, when faced with solid evidence that China
funneled cash illegally to the Democrat party, Janet Reno turned her back.
When 100 witnesses took the fifth amendment before Congress, Janet Reno said
no to the independent counsel.

Janet Reno, as reports now say, even said no to an FBI request to wire-tap a
suspected Chinese spy. Now, if that is not enough to prop up Communism, even
when the CIA told Janet Reno China had missiles pointed at us, Janet Reno
said no. Beam me up, Congress. We are allowing Janet Reno to get away with
treason. She has betrayed America before our very own eyes.

The only time she has said yes was to helping Communist China. I urge
Congress to pass H.R. 5161, mandating a thorough investigation into this
Chinese communist business.

Mr. Speaker, I yield back the treason with reason I believe I can prove of
Janet Reno.





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[CTRL] D'Amato: Hillary Clinton's run fueled by "naked ambition"


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D'Amato: Hillary Clinton's run fueled by "naked ambition"

By MARC HUMBERT
The Associated Press
9/18/00 4:18 PM


ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) -- Republican Alfonse D'Amato, who failed in his bid for a
fourth U.S. Senate term in 1998, says Hillary Rodham Clinton's Senate bid
this year is being fueled by "naked ambition."

In a fund-raising letter aimed at helping Clinton's Republican rival, Rep.
Rick Lazio, D'Amato says the first lady "would be a disaster as our senator."

The D'Amato letter, a copy of which was obtained Monday by The Associated
Press, says Clinton is "all talk and no action."

As chairman of the Senate Banking Committee and during public hearings into
the Whitewater scandal, D'Amato was one of President Clinton's harshest
critics. But when polls showed the tactics backfiring on Republicans, D'Amato
scrapped the hearings and his heavy criticism of the president.

The first lady's campaign reacted sharply to the D'Amato letter.

"It's not surprising that Al D'Amato has signed on to help Rick Lazio's
campaign of insults and personal attacks," Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson
said. "New Yorkers rejected that kind of politics two years ago and they will
reject it again in November."

Wolfson was a top campaign aide to Democrat Charles Schumer, who beat D'Amato
in the 1998 Senate race.

The Lazio campaign defended the use of D'Amato.

"Senator D'Amato is a known leader and a heck of a fund-raiser. We're glad to
have his help," Lazio spokesman Dan McLagan said. "Frankly, we need all the
help we can get to raise hard dollars to combat the ocean of soft money she
is raising."

In fact, while D'Amato's popularity seemed to have waned by 1998 when he ran
against Schumer, his fund-raising prowess was still much in evidence as he
put together a warchest of more than $24 million. Coupled with the $16.7
million Schumer spent, it became the most expensive Senate race in New York
history and the most expensive in the nation in 1998.

The D'Amato letter came to light as Lazio rode the commuter rails into
Manhattan from his home on Long Island to pick up the endorsement of the
United Transportation Union and four other unions representing in all about
3,200 railroad employees. Clinton has picked up the bulk of union support in
the race with the endorsement of, among others, the state AFL-CIO and the
powerful teachers' unions.

Meanwhile, congressional Republicans revealed documents showing that through
the end of August, the taxpayer cost of Hillary Clinton's use of government
aircraft for her political trips had topped $1 million.

While the railroad worker unions had praise for Lazio as someone who "has
delivered for New York state," the tone of the D'Amato letter was distinctly
anti-Clinton.

"It's obvious ... that Hillary Clinton moved here just to run for office. We
know that her personal ambition is greater than her commitment to us,"
D'Amato wrote in the Sept. 6 letter to possible contributors.

While praising Lazio's congressional record and "commonsense conservatism,"
D'Amato dismissed Clinton's campaign as a concoction of "canned speeches" and
"scripted jokes."

"Hillary Clinton crisscrosses our state with her entourage of spin doctors,
speech writers and media moguls, giving speeches filled with empty promises
and hollow rhetoric ... Hillary Clinton is a liberal's liberal," the former
senator wrote.

The appearance of the letter served to keep attention focused on the
money-raising aspects of the campaign. Lazio and Clinton have been fighting
over their conflicting proposals to ban unlimited soft money from the race,
an issue he highlighted in last week's first debate of the campaign when he
waved his own anti-soft money pledge under her nose. Clinton said she would
sign the pledge only if he got 14 independent outside groups attacking her to
agree to stop that. At least one of those groups has already refused to do
so.

Lazio took note of that problem on Monday.

"There are two things that I've always feared in this campaign -- the people
that run ads against me and the people that run ads for me," he told
reporters.

But Lazio predicted that "if Mrs. Clinton were to agree to the terms of this,
then we'd be able to actually push everybody off."

On Monday, the first lady starred at a $300,000 state party fund-raising
luncheon. The debate, and Lazio's performance, were still much on her mind.

"I knew I was going to share the stage. I didn't think I was going to have to
share a podium," she said, continuing to criticize the congressman's
aggressiveness.

"There's a big difference between raising your voice and raising up the
quality of education in our schools," she added. "There's a big difference
between pointing your finger and reaching out a hand to improve the quality
of life for people who need health care and good jobs."


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Mr. GRAMS. Mr. President, I wanted to take time before leaving for the
weekend to be here to express my strong disappointment with President Clinton
and his Democratic allies in the Congress who have once again denied millions
of American couples marriage penalty relief.

On August 5, President Clinton vetoed the Marriage Tax Penalty Relief
Reconciliation Act. This week, due to strong opposition from some of our
Democrat colleagues, the House fell 16 votes short of the number needed to
override the President's veto, thus letting down 22 million American couples,
including 550,000 couples from my state of Minnesota.

These hard-working Americans are penalized, on average, $1,500 per year
simply because they are married. This $32 billion annual tax burden is
extremely unfair to these working men and women.

Washington is taking this money from American couples at a time when it
doesn't need the money as much as these families do. This money could be used
for savings for their children's education, for daycare, for tutors, for
braces, for a new washer/dryer, for a family vacation, or for a down payment
on a car.

For President Clinton and his Democrat allies in the Congress to deny working
men and women this desperately needed tax relief is not only wrong, it is a
disgrace.

It is shameful that their spending appetite is growing bigger each year and
faster than the incomes of American workers and all of the people across this
country who simply choose to get married, start a family, to begin their
lives together, and at the altar they have the IRS standing with them.

Since 1969, our tax laws have punished married couples. There are more than
60 provisions in the tax code that penalize working American couples by
pushing them into

a higher tax bracket, punishing them because of their decision to be joined
in holy matrimony.

This was not the intention of Congress when it separated tax schedules for
married and unmarried people. It also runs contrary to our often-stated
desire to strengthen the institution of the family in America a desire that
was reaffirmed with the enactment of my $500 per child tax credit
legislation.

The family has been, and will continue to be, the bedrock of our society.
Strong families make strong communities; strong communities make for a strong
America. We all agree that this marriage penalty tax treats married couples
unfairly.

President Clinton himself agrees that the marriage penalty is unfair. He has
said that. He believes the marriage penalty tax is unfair, but he vetoed a
bill that, by the way, was a compromise, calling into question his resolve to
reverse this inequity that he called unfair. But evidently the President
believes it is more important for Washington to collect unfair taxes than it
is to give tax breaks to working Americans. He uses any and all excuses he
can find to keep as many dollars as possible coming into the Government's
coffers. Even at a time of huge surpluses, he refuses to let American couples
keep a little bit more of their own money.

We are not even talking tax cuts; all we are talking about is tax overcharges
that should be returned. If you overpay a bill, you expect to get your change
back. If you go to McDonald's and the meal is $5 and you give them $10, you
expect to get your change back--or for any kind of a transaction. In this
transaction, you should be able to expect to get your money back. On a
marriage penalty which is unfair, you should at least be able to get your
refund. But despite the rhetoric of this administration suggesting otherwise,
the Clinton and Gore administration and its Democratic allies in Congress are
not serious about correcting this unfair tax penalty.

Out of eight budgets the Clinton/Gore administration proposed, only one
included a tiny bit of relief for married couples. Their paltry marriage
penalty relief means millions of couples would not receive the tax relief
they want and need. In fact, the President's plan was less than 25 percent of
the plan that was sent to him, which would mean that out of 100 couples, he
would say 75 married couples don't deserve tax relief even though they are
unfairly taxed. A minor, paltry tax relief was proposed by this
administration.

Today, families pay more in taxes than they do for food, clothing, and
shelter combined. Something is wrong when parents work more to provide for
the government than they do for their own families. It is time for the
government to contribute to the strengthening of the family, rather than
aiding its breakdown.

There is no legitimate policy reason to continue punishing millions of
American couples through this unfair marriage penalty.

By denying Americans marriage penalty tax relief,

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With Clinton in the White House, He's Spent $19 Billion on "Peacekeeping"
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September 18, 2000

Mr. BARTLETT of Maryland. Mr. Speaker, I want to talk for a few minutes this
evening about U.N. dues. I am not going to talk about the proposal of the
U.N. to levy taxes on the countries of the world, including ours, which
frightens a number of our people. Indeed, that is frightening. I am not going
to talk about the proposal that the U.N. have its own army, and I know that
there are those and some of them from our country in the past and at present
who genuinely feel that the world would be a safer place if the U.N. had the
largest army in the world and, therefore, could keep the peace. I am
frightened by that prospect, and I know a number of our people are.

I am not going to talk about U.N. resolutions which once they are made have
the effect of law, which have the effect of setting our laws aside and
actually sometimes have the effect of setting our Constitution aside. Of
course, that should be unthinkable but it has happened and we need to talk
about that, but I am not going to talk about that because I am sure that
others will this evening.

I am also not going to talk about whether the U.N. is effective or not,
whether it really meets the promise that we held for the U.N. when it was
established a number of years ago. I am not going to talk about whether the
U.N. should be expanded or not. I understand they want 10 new floors on their
building. They are already a monstrous bureaucracy. I am not sure being a
bigger one would make them more effective.

I am not going to talk either about whether it is in our vital national
security interests to continue to be a part of the U.N. That needs to be
debated. I hope it will be debated across the countries; and others, this
evening, I am sure will cover that subject. I am also not going to talk about
whether 25 percent dues and 31.5 percent for peacekeeping is a fair share for
the United States. I do not think we have 25 percent of the vote or 31.5
percent of the vote. As a matter of fact, when one looks at our vote, the
U.N. has threatened to remove our vote because we have not paid our dues;
that is, our vote in the General Assembly.

Let us just look at that vote for a moment and what it would mean if we did
not have a vote in the General Assembly. We have less than 1 percent of the
vote cast in the General Assembly, and there are a number of countries, we
could easily name 15 or 20 countries, that if we vote yes they vote no and
some of those countries have less citizens than the District of Columbia, and
so they can cancel our vote in the U.N. What does our vote mean in the
General Assembly?

It means very little, obviously, if it can be cancelled by a half dozen
countries that have no more population than the District of Columbia.

The only vote in the U.N. that has any importance for us is our vote on the
Security Council of the U.N. and they cannot remove that vote for not paying
dues.

What I do want to talk about is a lonely fight that I waged here for several
years to keep us from paying dues that we had already paid a number of times
over. What I am talking about is the enormous cost of peacekeeping operations
which we have borne. Three agencies of the government have looked at these
costs, the CRS, Congressional Research Service; GAO, the Government
Accounting Office; and the Pentagon.

They have all reached essentially the same conclusions, that we have spent
about $19 billion on peacekeeping activities since 1992. Now, we have been
credited with $1.8 billion of that against U.N. dues, so a precedent has
already been made, that if we spend money on an authorized U.N. peacekeeping
activity that those monies that we have spent there are in lieu of dues; that
is, they could replace dues. They only did that, though, with $1.8 billion.
There is about another $17 billion that is still out there that we have
received no credit for.

All I wanted was a very simple thing, which was an accounting of the dues
that we owe. I was not arguing whether 25 percent was too much or 31 percent
of peacekeeping was too much; my only argument was that we needed to get
credit for what we have spent on legitimate peacekeeping activities. I think
that most Americans when they hear that argument say, well, of course, it
makes sense, that if we are sending our military there, if we are using our
resources there in the pursuit of a U.N. resolution, an authorized U.N.
activity, that we should be given credit for the monies that we spend doing
that. We have been given credit for $1.8 billion, but what about the other
roughly $17 billion?

Mr. Speaker, that needs to be accounted for before we pay another dime in
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Liberal Columnist Saying Booing Children is a "Right"
How Morally "Flexible" is the Organization that Wants to Teach Your Child?
By: Mary Mostert, Analyst, Original Sources (www.originalsources.com)

September 18, 2000

It would appear, from the news over the week-end, that the Gore campaign
needs all the help it can muster from a supportive media, to beat George W.
Bush in November. And, there are a couple of issues that the media seems to
be trying to bury to help their man.

One of those issues is the spiraling price of oil and the low reserves,
especially oil for heating this winter. The other is an issue that some
members of the left wish members of their own group had just not brought up
until AFTER the election, when Al Gore was safely in office - the Boy Scout
situation.

Either, or both, of these issues could be bad news for Al Gore. The oil
situation, which already has Europe in an uproar, could easily spiral out of
control, especially if the sharp rise in the cost of heating our homes with
$36 a barrel oil, three times the price of oil a year ago, becomes a focused
issue by election day.

And, the backlash against those who have vowed to punish or destroy the Boy
Scouts of America for daring to stand up for the Scout Oath and Law, in spite
of lawsuits and media pressure to give in to feminists, atheists and
homosexuals, clearly has the radical left in temporary (until after the
election) retreat.

A mere two weeks ago the media were reporting what appeared to be victory
after victory for the anti-Scout forces. For example, the Miami Herald, only
nine days ago, reported what certainly appeared to be a resounding victory
for those seeking to drive the Boy Scouts out of schools and the very public
parks that Scouts have long helped clean up with their service projects. In
an article entitled "Dade Superintendent Blocks Scouts' Drive," the paper
announced that "Miami-Dade schools Superintendent Roger Cuevas has
indefinitely postponed the Boy Scouts' annual recruitment drive at county
schools next week while attorneys examine whether the group's exclusion of
gays violates School Board rules."

In the same article, Jeremy Liebbe, the Southern Regional Director for
"Scouting for All," said: ``Every time a school district kicks out the Scouts
from its schools or when Levi Strauss stops their funding, I take comfort
that messages like that will get the national policy changed. But it really
hurts to see that the program is getting hurt like this. We want to see [the
national leadership] change its policy before the program gets destroyed.''
Scouting for all claims on its website that its determined goal of either
forcing the Scouts to abandon its "duty to God" and "morally straight" stance
for Scoutmaster is a "501C-3 nonprofit charitable organization recognized by
the state of California and the United States of America's federal
government. So you can deduct your donation from your taxes."

Scouting for All has collected 53616 names on a petition in the past two
years stating:


"We want the Boy Scouts of America to change its policy of excluding gay
youth and adults from scouting."
It also wants the Scouts to allow atheists and girls in the organization.

On September 1, Gavin Grooms of Provo, Utah, put up his Save Our Scouts
website (http://www.saveourscouts.com) which says:


"I support the National Council of the Boy Scouts of America for their
defense of our First Amendment right peaceably to assemble in order to teach
boys to do their duty to God and country, obey the Scout Law, help other
people and keep physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight. I
urge the leadership of the Boy Scouts of America to resist all efforts being
made today, through lawsuits and financial and social intimidation, to modify
the meaning or to abandon these time-tested precepts of responsible manhood.
The response to Save Our Scouts was immediate and overwhelming. In two weeks,
over 20,000 people have signed the petition and those 20,000 people have sent
the petition to an additional 34,000 friends and relatives. All the sudden,
in an effort to keep the Boy Scouts from becoming a campaign issue, we began
to see articles like that of Donald W. Meyers, editor of the Provo Herald
opinion page, a Pulitzer paper, entitled: "Boy Scouts in no danger from
controversies" in which he ridiculed the notion that anyone should do
anything to counteract the entrenched and well financed Scouting for All
effort to either force the Boy Scouts to abandon its standards or be
destroyed. His comment about the Eagle Scouts who were presenting the colors
at the Democratic National Convention was:


"Is booing children a polite thing to do? No, but the First Amendment does
protect impolite speech. Maybe the Scouts should work on their thick-skin
merit badges. ...It's fairly safe

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Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, September 19, 2000; Page A09



GREENVILLE, S.C., Sept. 18 ââ Patrick J. Buchanan, struggling to jump-start
his stalled presidential bid, today opened his general election campaign with
an assault on Hollywood and "cultural Marxism" in an appearance at Bob Jones
University.


Buchanan warned an enthusiastic gathering of about 2,000 students, faculty
and local supporters that the courts and the media elite "are abolishing
America, they are deconstructing our country . . . they have dethroned our
God." He declared that gay rights proponents have dominated television and
movies and contended that homosexuality "always has been associated with
social decadence and national decline."


Bob Jones III, the university president, almost endorsed Buchanan after the
speech, saying that if anyone can defeat Democratic nominee Al Gore "it will
be someone who stands up, speaks up and will not shut up, and really does not
care whether he wins an election." Jones suggested that "America will
probably not survive another election as a free people if the Democrats get
back into office."


Barely in single digits in the polls, still recovering from gallbladder
surgery and unlikely to be invited to debate on television, Buchanan
pointedly chose the university, famous for its former ban on interracial
dating and its leaders' anti-Catholic views, as a way to gain public
attention.


After months of political and legal battling, Buchanan just last week
received $12.6 million from the Federal Election Commission as the Reform
Party nominee. He intends to spend most of the money advertising on Christian
and talk radio stations in an attempt to win at least 5 percent in the
general election so the party will qualify for federal money in 2004.


In an interview before his speech, Buchanan, who has lost weight since having
his gallbladder removed a month ago and follow-up procedures to dislodge a
gallstone from a liver duct, said he is not optimistic about his chances of
winning a substantial percentage of votes on Nov. 7 if, as he expects, he is
kept out of the debates.


In 1992 and 1996, Buchanan was a political powerhouse, providing the
strongest challenges to the nominations of then-President George Bush and
former senator Robert J. Dole, and winning the New Hampshire primary in 1996.


In this election, however, Buchanan never gained traction in the GOP. Last
October, he jumped to the Reform Party, which had the attraction of the $12.6
million in federal money and an invitation to the debates if 15 percent of
voters polled supported him.


Instead of moving up in the polls, however, Buchanan has collapsed to
near-asterisk status. The Reform Party became a laughingstock after a meeting
in Dearborn, Mich., turned into a brawl. Then many Reform Party leaders who
had worked for Ross Perot in 1996 and 1992 were pushed to the sidelines by
Buchanan backers, and the battle for the nomination turned into a bizarre
contest between Buchanan and John Hagelin, the Natural Law Party's nominee.


Buchanan said he chose to speak at Bob Jones University because "people are
going to take note of it."


The school became the focus of controversy after both Republicans and
Democrats criticized Texas Gov. George W. Bush (R) for speaking here during
the South Carolina primary campaign. Bush disassociated himself from the
university's ban on interracial dating and the Rev. Bob Jones's 1987
description of the pope as "an anti-Christ" who "brings a curse wherever he
goes."


Buchanan, who is Catholic, today joined Bush in disassociating himself from
those views but defended the university on other fronts.


"Their dating policy was rooted in biblical beliefs that we disagree with.
But everybody who goes there, they are all volunteers, they all accept the
code of conduct. Nobody is forced to go there," Buchanan said in the
interview.


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 National Execution Alert -   October 2000

 Texas

 Stacey Lawton (TX) page at http://members.xoom.com/ccadp/staceylawton.htm

 Execution set for October 4, 2000...7:00pm (EST)

 "I am an African-American I have dreadlocks in my hair, I am the only
 one on Texas death row who has them...I love to work out and to stay in
 shape, I love to read, write, sing and play basketball." (Stacey
 Lawton's website at www.ccadp.org)

 Stacey Lawton was 22 years-old  when he was charged with the 1992 murder
 of Dennis L. Price.

 A recent investigation by the Dallas Morning News found "that nearly 1
 in 4 condemned inmates has been represented at trial or on appeal by
 court-appointed attorneys who have been disciplined for professional
 misconduct at some point in their careers. Others have been represented by
 court-provided attorneys who dozed in trial, failed to investigate their
 case or put in minimal preparation." There are insufficient statewide
 standards and funding for lawyers handling death penalty cases which means
 that poor defendants who can't afford a private lawyer a more likely to
 get the death penalty.

 Stacey Lawton is one of many who did not receive adequate legal
 representation and therefore was prevented from having a fair chance at
 trial. In the direct appeal brief filed on Mr. Lawton's behalf to the
 Texas Court of Criminal Appeal, his lawyers gave contradictory
 statements. The court noted at several points "that appellants argument is
 poorly, if not inadequately, briefed."

 Stacey lost the appeal and is now scheduled to be executed October 4,
 2000.


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 Bobby Lee Ramdass (VA)-B/?
 October 10, 2000...9:00pm

 "What do you think, am I going to see a light?" Bobby asked his lawyer,
 F. Nash Bilisoly, while having his last meal. They were sitting in the
 room adjacent to the one with the gurney for lethal injection, waiting
 to hear from the Supreme Court on August 17, 2000. Less than three hours
 before the slated execution the call came and a stay was granted.
 Now that a new execution date has been set for October 10th, Bobby and
 his lawyer, who fought the state at every turn, know what is coming
 next. They have been through most of it before.

 Bobby  was sentenced to death for the robbery and murder of a 7-Eleven
 store clerk. He was 19 years-old at the time of the crime, Sept. 2,
 1992.  Bilisoly argues that Bobby has been denied a fair trial because
 of errors which his original trial lawyer, Leonard Piotrowski, made.
 He failed for example to consult ballistics experts who might have been
 able to show that the gun went off accidentally and he advised his
 client not to take the stand.

 Furthermore, he did not object to a court-appointed psychologist who was
 biased. Bilisoly noted that "anybody with any resources would ha

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<< "I don't know," Dr.  Lee replied.  "I, I, I, I don't know why I
 fail, but I do know I have not done anything, I have not done
 anything." Dr. Lee added: "I never give classified information to
 Chinese people.  I never tell them anything relating to nuclear
 weapons, uh, data or design or whatever, I have never done
 anything like that." >>


It is easy to understand what happened.  The FBI has had so little experience
with the truth that they all got confused.  They don't know how to tell it,
and they don't know how to recognize it.  Prudy

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[CTRL] AEC & Eugenics?


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AEC Said Involved In
Eugenics Experiments -
'Darkness In El Dorado'
9-18-00

 http://www.sightings.com/general3/eugene.htm

To: Louise Lamphere ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) President, American Anthropological
Association

Don Brenneis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) President -elect, American
Anthropological Association


From: Terry Turner Professor of Anthropology, Cornell University (Head of the
Special Commission of the American Anthropological Association to Investigate
the Situation of the Brazilian Yanomami, 1990-91)

Leslie Sponsel Professor of Anthropology at the University of Hawaii, Manoa
(Chair of the AAA Committee for Human Rights 1992-1996)


Re: Scandal about to be caused by publication of book By Patrick Tierney:
'Darkness in El Dorado' New York, Norton. Publication date: October 1, 2000
9-18-00


Madam President, Mr. President-elect:

We write to inform you of an impending scandal that will affect the American
Anthropological profession as a whole in the eyes of the public, and arouse
intense indignation and calls for action among members of the Association. In
its scale, ramifications, and sheer criminality and corruption it is
unparalleled in the history of Anthropology. The AAA will be called upon by
the general media and its own membership to take collective stands on the
issues it raises, as well as appropriate redressive actions. All of this will
obviously involve you as Presidents of the Association-so the sooner you know
about the story that is about to break, the better prepared you can be to
deal with it. Both of us have seen galley copies of a book by Patrick
Tierney, an investigative journalist, about the actions of anthropologists
and associated scientific researchers (notably geneticists and medical
experimenters) among the Yanomami of Venezuela over the past thirty-five
years. Because of the sensational nature of its revelations, the notoriety of
the people it exposes, and the prestige of the organs of the academic
establishment it implicates, the book is bound to be widely read both outside
and inside the profession. As both an indication and a vector of its public
impact, we have learned that The New Yorker magazine is planning to publish
an extensive excerpt, timed to coincide with the publication of the book (on
or about October 1st).

The focus of the scandal is the long-term project for study of the Yanomami
of Venezuela organized by James Neel, the human geneticist, in which Napoleon
Chagnon, Timothy Asch, and numerous other anthropologists took part. The
French anthropologist Jacques Lizot, who also works with the Yanomami but is
not part of Neel-Chagnon project, also figures in a different scandalous
capacity.

One of Tierney's more startling revelations is that the whole Yanomami
project was an outgrowth and continuation of the Atomic Energy Comissions
secret program of experiments on human subjects James Neel, the originator
and director of the project, was part of the medical and genetic research
team attached to the Atomic Energy Commission since the days of the Manhattan
Project. He was a member of the small group of researchers responsible for
studying the effects of radiation on human subjects. He personally headed the
team that investigated the effects of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs on
survivors,. He was put in charge of the study of the effects of atomic bombs
at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and later was involved in the studies of the
effects of the radioactivity from the experimental A and H bomb blasts in the
Marshall Islands on the natives (our colleague May Jo Marshall has a lot to
say about these studies in the Marshalls and Neel's role in them). The same
group also secretly carried out experiments on human subjects in the USA.
These included injecting people with radioactive plutonium without their
knowledge or permission,in some cases leading to their death or disfigurement
( Neel himself appears not to have given any of these experimental
injections). Another member of the same AEC group of human geneticists and
medical experimenters, a Venezuelan, Marcel Roche, was a close colleague of
Neel's and spent some time at his AEC-funded center for Human Genetics at Ann
Arbor. He returned to Venezuela after the war and did a study of the Yanomami
that involved administering doses of a radioactive isotope of iodine and
analyzing samples of blood for genetic data. Roche and his project were
apparently the connection that led Neel to choose the Yanomami for his big
study of the genetics of "leadership" and differential rates of reproduction
among dominant and sub-dominant males in a genetically "isolated" human
population. There is thus a genealogical connection between the the human
experiments carried out by the AEC, and Neel's and Chagnon's Yanomami
project, which was from the outset funded by the AEC.

Tierney presents convincing evidence that Neel and Chagnon, on their trip to
the Yanomami in 1968, greatly exacerbated, and probably started, the epidemic
of

[CTRL] SAY WHAT!!!!!

2000-09-19 Thread Nurev Ind Research


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****

Dear Friends,

Doris "Granny D" Haddock will speak on the west steps of the U.S. Capitol
with David Crosby, Stephen Stills, Graham Nash, Sheryl Crow, Paula
Poundstone, cast members of West Wing, Sen. John McCain, Sen Russ Feingold, Gov.
Jesse Ventura, and
others on Tuesday, September 19th at 5 p.m. It is a free admission Campaign
Finance Reform rally, and
you will have a chance to meet everyone.

If you live in the DC area and can attend, or if you can send this message
to your friends who do live near Washington, we thank you very much.

Dennis Burke

for Doris Haddock

more info: http://grannyd.com


---


Advance copy of Doris Haddock's remarks on the west Capitol steps in
Washington D.C. 5 p.m. Tuesday, September 19th, 2000:



Thank you very much.

Do you think there are enough of us here, that if we all wished the same
wish, it might come true?

Well, let us try.

Let's imagine that we could pass a law in this great building that could
work some magic.  It would get big money out of the way of our democracy.

The law would read as follows:

"Whoever directly or indirectly, corruptly gives, offers or promises
anything of value to any public official with intent to influence any
official act;  Or,  being a public official, directly or indirectly,
corruptly demands, seeks, receives, accepts, or agrees to receive or accept
anything of value personally or for any other person or entity, in return
for being influenced in the performance of any official act,  shall be
fined under this title or not more than three times the monetary equivalent
of the thing of value, whichever is greater, or imprisoned for not more
than fifteen years, or both, and may be disqualified from holding any
office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States."

Now, how hard must we wish to make that law the law of this land?  Humor
me, please, and close your eyes tightly and click your heels together three
times. One, two, three.

You have done it.  The law I read to you, condensed somewhat, is indeed the
law of the land.  It is United States Code, Title 18, Chapter 11, Section
201: Bribery of public officials.

18. 11. 201. Under the crystal clear provisions of this law, most of the
people who make laws in these buildings to send other people to jail,
should themselves be in jail.  Under the unambiguous provisions of this
law, political parties that extract protection money from industries are in
violation of federal bribery law and require prosecution.

Now let us make another wish, and this one needs yet to happen.  We wish
that the Attorney General of the United States, Ms. Janet Reno, might spend
the final months of this administration, and the final months of her
service to our people, in improving health; and that, in good health, she
might strengthen her legacy by setting in motion the proper enforcement of
this existing federal law upon which the very health of our democracy
depends.  18, 11, 201.

I ask you, Ms. Reno, to investigate the sale of public policy by the
elected leaders of our nation.  I ask you, Ms. Reno, to investigate the
purchase of public policy by the great lobbying operations that have set
upon our temple of self-governance like great vampire bats that we must now
carefully cage and send home to their dark caves on Wall Street.

Ms. Reno, we, the people, ask this of you, our friend.  No other one person
but you holds the power to set a new course for our nation overnight,
--with the stroke of a pen.

18, 11, 201: the law is there to be enforced, and the evidence drips from
every window of K Street, flows down every hallway of Congress, rises
waist-deep in the fundraising ballrooms of every luxury hotel in this city.
Do your duty, Ma'm, though, in so doing, you will have not a friend left in
this city. We the people will call you our dearest friend..

How many good men and women have died for our freedom as a self-governing
people?  Go across the cold river to Arlington and see! The spirits of the
dead, and the hearts of the living are filled with sorrow for what now
happens in this, our own Capitol city, the home of our democracy.

Title 18, Chapter 11, Section 201.  That must be our demand at the door of
Justice: 18, 11, 201.

Immediately following this event, I invite all of you to walk with me to Ms
Reno's front door, only a few blocks from here, to help me post this letter
upon her door and to raise this chant: 18, 11, 201.

Thank you.
--

-- CUT OUT THE MIDDLEMEN --
JUST VOTE FOR A CORPORATION


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For those of you who wish to actually study the subject, rather than
listening to the deranged ranting of an obviously disturbed person,
check out Acharya's "Christ Conspiracy" links at
http://www.truthbeknown.com/christcon.htm

Bill.

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In a message dated 9/19/00 12:19:11 AM Central Daylight Time,
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<< Acharya S for example, wouldn't know the difference between true
 Christianity and her bunghole. To call these shysters "scholar" - is a
 thorough misnomer.

 For insatnce, "The Christ Conspiracy" by Acharya S - is published by an
 obscure publishing house called "Adventures Unlimited," (1999) not exactly
 Harper and Row, or Yale University Press, but at least they know where to
 buy ink. >>


Is this "JP Holding," aka Robert Turkel??? How IS the prison industry lately?
I bet it's comforting to work so closely with caged men huh???

Harper's & Row and co. are unlikely to publish much material on conspiracy
theory and actually Adventures Unlimited is pretty well-respected amongst
this culture. Sure as hell is more respectable than a Regnery Press!

Clearly you have a problem with Acharya that goes beyond her wonderful
book...your unrelenting and highly personal attacks verge on the pathological.

Bill.

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Re: [CTRL] Keep the Homophobes Out of Our Discussion

2000-09-19 Thread ThePiedPiper

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By this line of thinking the government
does not have to give money to the schools
either since they do not all teach EXACTLY
the same government line.  The government
does not have to give money to the states
since each state has things that it advocates
would be a good reason to vacation there or
to have your business there.

Not everyone gets the same tax deduction.
When I was in home business I was able
to take deductions for my yard care.
(the business was child care)
What the Boy Scouts advocate are the
basic attitudes that were part of this
society when you were required to have
manners, or else be called out to a duel.
When a persons word meant something.

ALSO:
If an open attitude towards male homosexualism
permiates society, how soon will it be before
things like the Ramsey killing - if
it was an adult - will be judged as
just a case of tempary insanity.

Nate Fischer wrote:
>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> You ask the question "You don't consider an active, Presidentially approved
> attempt to deny the
> BSA their constitutional rights a conspiracy?"
>
> Well here is your answer two fold
>
> First of all, all the presidential order does is prevent funding from a
> national level to the BSA.
>
> Second, I don't see the government giving any funding to the KKK another
> group with similaristic discrimatory practices.
>
> I know I will get a lot of feedback here for this but you must remember
> everyone is entitled to their opinions including the KKK and the BSA, but
> does not mean that the Governement HAS TO SUPPORT them.
>
> Perhaps homosexuals are looking at bringing down the BSA, but that would be
> no differently looked at then a Jewish or Black foundation trying to take
> down the KKK.
>
> If the BSA continues their discriminatory practices it will have to rely on
> internal funding rather than other organizations, and you know what that is
> their choice to not grow up with the rest of the organizations like the
> United Way.
>
> HEY WAKE UP, THE UNITED WAY DOES NOT HAVE TO GIVE MONEY TO ANYONE, what is
> the problem here.
>
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The true test is to give a person power.

If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually
you will be.

Atrocities happen when the people about you -
 start considering you surplus.

"I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of
others to differ from me in opinion"
   Thomas Jefferson 

My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people:
those who do the work and
those who take the credit.
He told me to be in the first group -
 there is less competition there. -
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[CTRL] Coca, Coca, Caca


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From
http://asp.washtimes.com/printarticle.asp?action=print&ArticleID=default-
2000919215945

}}>Begin
The Washington Times
www.washtimes.com

Olympics ban guns, knives  and Pepsi
Vivek Chaudhary
LONDON GUARDIAN Published 9/19/00

SYDNEY, Australia 

At these games, it's Coke, no Pepsi.

Olympic officials have added the popular soda to the list of "dangerous" items
banned from the main Olympic Park venue at the Sydney Games.
Security guards ask fans attending events if they are carrying "knives, weapons
or cans of Pepsi" in an attempt to appease one of the Olympics' official
sponsors, Coca-Cola. Those who refuse to surrender their cans or bottles of
Pepsi are denied entry.

"Non-game sponsor products are not allowed. That's why sponsors pay huge
amounts of money. Coca-Cola is the official sponsor, and only their drinks are
allowed," a spokesman for the organizing committee said.

The policy is part of a crackdown on nonofficial products at the Games that has
resulted in everything from new legislation and corporate feuds to hidden logos
and censored menus.

Olympic officials are attempting to preserve the exclusivity of corporations
that, according to estimates, have paid about $1.5 billion to become official
sponsors of the Games.

Olympic officials have been scouring venues to ensure that only products of
official sponsors are visible. For example, logos on computers and televisions
that are not IBM or Panasonic, respectively, are covered with black tape.

A food dish is not safe from the clampdown if it bears even a slight
resemblance to an item on the menu of an official sponsor.

A cafe inside the Olympic complex was told to remove a bacon and egg roll,
known locally as a "damper," from its menu because it looked like the Egg
McMuffin sold by McDonald's, another official sponsor.

Visitors to the Olympic complex are prevented from entering with alcohol,
although it is on sale inside. The choice is limited. Only one company holds
the right to sell beer, and another holds the right to sell the only brand of
wine.

There also is a limit on the amount of food visitors can take inside. A
spokesman for the organizing committee said, "People are allowed to bring
reasonable quantities of food, but there are dozens of restaurants in the
complex where they can eat."

The Sydney Olympics sparked a fierce brand war off the track as non-sponsors
try to attach themselves to the Games in a strategy known as "ambush
marketing."

The strategy has produced a number of legal disputes between rival companies in
Australia.

Carlton and United, the official beer supplier, plans to sue rival Lion Nathan,
claiming that Lion Nathan uses Olympic imagery in its advertising.
Ansett, the New Zealand firm that paid to become the airline of the Games,
accused rival Qantas of using the Olympics in its advertising. The row led to a
legal challenge that was settled out of court.

The International Olympic Committee was criticized by sponsor companies after
the 1996 Atlanta Games after non-sponsors put up advertising around the city
and used Olympic imagery.

Sydney introduced special laws to prevent non-sponsor companies from using
advertising outside Olympic venues.

Australian authorities have the right to remove them and take legal action
against companies using the words "Sydney 2000" or the Olympic rings.

Copyright © 2000 News World Communications, Inc. All rights reserved.

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new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust

The libertarian therefore considers one of his prime educational
tasks is to spread the demystification and desanctification of the
State among its hapless subjects.  His task is to demonstrate
repeatedly and in depth that not only the emperor but even the
"democratic" State has no clothes; that all governments subsist
by exploitive rule over the public; and that such rule is the reverse
of objective necessity.  He strives to show that the existence of
taxation and the State necessarily sets up a class division between
the exploiting rulers and the exploited ruled.  He seeks to show that
the task of the court intellectuals who have always supported the State
has ever been to weave mystification in order to induce the public to
accept State rule and that these intellectuals obtain, in return, a
share in the power and pelf extracted by the rulers from their deluded
subjects.
[[For a New Liberty:  The Libertarian Manifesto, Murray N. Rothbard,
Fox & Wilkes, 1973, 1978, p. 25]]

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[CTRL] Prose-Ack


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From
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/boutiques/children/adl/index.asp?userid=1P13PI4DZN

}}>Begin
Barnes & Noble.com, Barnes & Noble, Inc. and the Anti-Defamation League (ADL)
are proud to announce a new collaborative campaign -- Close the Book on Hate --
designed to break the cycle of learned intolerance through one of the best
forms of education: reading. This campaign will empower children and their
parents, caregivers, teachers, and civic leaders with the resources and
programs they need to help end prejudice and discrimination in America. At the
heart of this campaign is an innovative new book, Hate Hurts. Written by ADL
anti-bias experts and published by Scholastic Inc., the leading publisher of
children's books, Hate Hurts is designed to serve as the ultimate teaching tool
against prejudice.

Featured Title
Hate Hurts

Hate Hurts
by Caryl Stern-LaRosa, Ellen Hofheimer Bettmann
Our Price: $8.95

Hate Hurts is the Anti-Defamation League's definitive handbook for adults and
children on confronting and conquering bias and encouraging appreciation for
our differences. A guide for any person responsible for children of all ages,
this book offers practical tips, sound advice, and role-playing for difficult
situations. Researched and written by ADL experts, Hate Hurts is an essential
tool to help adults teach children not to hate.


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Integrity has no need of rules. -Albert Camus (1913-1960)
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking
new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust

The libertarian therefore considers one of his prime educational
tasks is to spread the demystification and desanctification of the
State among its hapless subjects.  His task is to demonstrate
repeatedly and in depth that not only the emperor but even the
"democratic" State has no clothes; that all governments subsist
by exploitive rule over the public; and that such rule is the reverse
of objective necessity.  He strives to show that the existence of
taxation and the State necessarily sets up a class division between
the exploiting rulers and the exploited ruled.  He seeks to show that
the task of the court intellectuals who have always supported the State
has ever been to weave mystification in order to induce the public to
accept State rule and that these intellectuals obtain, in return, a
share in the power and pelf extracted by the rulers from their deluded
subjects.
[[For a New Liberty:  The Libertarian Manifesto, Murray N. Rothbard,
Fox & Wilkes, 1973, 1978, p. 25]]

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[CTRL] Harry


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}}>Begin Excerpt (a three part article at the site)

nterview with Harry Browne
By Brian Weiss
 Ralph Nader might make the most noise, and the battle over the Reform party
may hog the headlines, but the Libertarian party and presidential candidate
Harry Browne have quietly emerged as America's best organized third party.
Running for president for the second time, candidate Harry Browne talks to
Georgemag.com about his message of eliminating the income tax, stopping the War
on Drugs and why Al Gore and George W. Bush might belong in prison.

For people who may not be familiar with it, explain the Libertarian philosophy.

It's very simple. Libertarians want you to be free to live your life as you
want to live it, just as long as you don't intrude on somebody else's person or
property. Libertarians think you go to work everyday, so you ought to keep the
money that you earn. If the politicians want some of that money, they ought to
ask for it instead of taking it by force. This is what separated America from
the rest of the world. Instead of kings ruling by divine right you had a right
to self-determination. All of that has been lost in the United States.

Politicians decide everything. They decide how much of your income you are
going to be allowed to keep, they decide how big your toilet is going to be,
they decide how your child's school is going to be run, how your health
insurance company has to treat you. They make all the rules. And as a result,
America is no different from any other country in the world.

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Integrity has no need of rules. -Albert Camus (1913-1960)
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
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new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust

The libertarian therefore considers one of his prime educational
tasks is to spread the demystification and desanctification of the
State among its hapless subjects.  His task is to demonstrate
repeatedly and in depth that not only the emperor but even the
"democratic" State has no clothes; that all governments subsist
by exploitive rule over the public; and that such rule is the reverse
of objective necessity.  He strives to show that the existence of
taxation and the State necessarily sets up a class division between
the exploiting rulers and the exploited ruled.  He seeks to show that
the task of the court intellectuals who have always supported the State
has ever been to weave mystification in order to induce the public to
accept State rule and that these intellectuals obtain, in return, a
share in the power and pelf extracted by the rulers from their deluded
subjects.
[[For a New Liberty:  The Libertarian Manifesto, Murray N. Rothbard,
Fox & Wilkes, 1973, 1978, p. 25]]

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[CTRL] Scandanavian Freeze


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>From www.wsws.org

WSWS : News & Analysis : Europe : Scandinavia
Fuel tax protests throughout Scandinavia
By Steve James
19 September 2000
Back to screen version

Last week, Norwegian truckers announced that they would launch a blockade of
five of the countries' main oil refineries and terminals at Oslo, Fredrikstad,
Toensberg and two in Stavanger.

Eleven facilities have been blockaded by members of Bilerenes
Interesseorganisasjon (BIO), a truckers and motorists group led by a Kurt
Enger. The blockades are aimed primarily at petrol and heating oil supplies in
the south of the country, with only southern refineries being targeted. Enger
has insisted that the blockade will allow heating and power supplies to be
maintained for hospitals, day-care centres and old peoples' homes. Petrol
stations are expected to be empty within a week.

As in the rest of the Continent, the protests are in response to continually
rising fuel prices that are ruining small hauliers and farmers, and imposing
hardship on ordinary motorists. Protest groups are calling for fuel costs to be
reduced from the present $1.08 a litre, half of which is tax, to around $0.75.

Fuel protests in Norway have been building for months. With both trade union
and industry support, in January 10,000 vehicles blockaded transport centres,
border crossings, and fuel depots for 24 hours complaining that fuel costs were
the highest in Europe. A contingent of vehicles circled the Storting
(parliament). In response the then Christian Democrat government indicated it
would consider reducing fuel tax. Protests were renewed with the inauguration
of the new Labour government in March.

As in Britain, where the Conservative Party have supported the truckers, the
Norwegian Tories and the right wing Progress Party have sought to utilise the
truckers' calls for lower fuel tax in line with their own demands for lower
taxes per se.

Elsewhere in Scandinavia, Finnish truckers stopped access to the Porvoo
refinery, again in response to high fuel costs. The Finnish haulage industry
has long been pressuring the government for concessions and the government has
agreed to establish a working party to examine conditions facing the industry,
although its new budget contains no fuel tax reductions. Helsingin Sanomat
reports that Finnish truckers have been particularly hard hit over the last
years, with many owner-drivers finding it cheaper to simply park up their
vehicles and wait for better times than to attempt to find business.

In Sweden, hundreds of farmers jammed the E20 motorway with a go-slow on
Sunday. A blockade of the ports in Stockholm and Gothenburg was called off.
Both Shell and Statoil have announced they will reduce the price of diesel by 2
cents, partly reversing another recent increase, leaving diesel costing around
$0.95 a litre.

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Integrity has no need of rules. -Albert Camus (1913-1960)
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking
new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust

The libertarian therefore considers one of his prime educational
tasks is to spread the demystification and desanctification of the
State among its hapless subjects.  His task is to demonstrate
repeatedly and in depth that not only the emperor but even the
"democratic" State has no clothes; that all governments subsist
by exploitive rule over the public; and that such rule is the reverse
of objective necessity.  He strives to show that the existence of
taxation and the State necessarily sets up a class division between
the exploiting rulers and the exploited ruled.  He seeks to show that
the task of the court intellectuals who have always supported the State
has ever been to weave mystification in order to induce the public to
accept State rule and that these intellectuals obtain, in return, a
share in the power and pelf extracted by the rulers from their deluded
subjects.
[[For a New Liberty:  The Libertarian Manifesto, Murray N. Rothbard,
Fox & Wilkes, 1973, 1978, p. 25]]

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[CTRL] The More Things Change, ...


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WSWS : News & Analysis : Religion
Vatican beatifies anti-Semitic Pope
By Peter Reydt
19 September 2000
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The beatification of Pope Pius IX has again revealed the deeply ingrained anti-
Semitism within the Catholic Church. Pope Pius IX, who reigned from 1846 to
1878, was one of two former pontiffs beatified by Pope John-Paul II on
September 3 in a ceremony attended by thousands of pilgrims in St Peter's
Square.

Beatification is the last step before bestowing sainthood. It was carried out
despite widespread criticism by Jewish organisations and liberal Catholics of
Pius IX's anti-Jewish record. On the eve of the ceremony hundreds of Rome's
Jews and Catholics protested against the beatification in a candlelight vigil.

Pius IX was renowned for his frequent anti-Semitic speeches. In one address, he
is said to have called Jews dogs of which there are too many present in Rome,
howling and disturbing us everywhere. In 1848 Pius IX forced the Jews of Rome
back into the old ghetto to which they had been confined for centuries, and in
the following year, he enacted racial laws against them. Jews were banned from
public hospitals, prevented from giving evidence against Christians in papal
courts and excluded from all institutes of secondary and higher education.
Israeli historians say that these laws were the forerunners of fascist dictator
Benito Mussolini's race policies.

Leading British church scholar Professor Owen Chadwick said that the nineteenth-
century pontiff's record verges on the criminal. In one case, which caused an
international outcry at the time, Pius IX personally ordered the forced kidnap
and baptism of a six-year-old Jewish boy, Edgardo Levi Mortara in 1858.
Pius IX was known for his extreme conservatism. He condemned 80 propositions as
erroneous, including socialism, liberalism, communism, rationalism, progress
and modern civilisation in general.

Catholic conservatives say that Pius IX, who had the longest reign of any Pope,
should be celebrated for his heroic values in standing up against the
creation of a secular Italy and as a model of Christian life.

The decision to proceed with Pius IX's beatification comes after the Catholic
Church was forced to suspend that of Pope Pius XII, known as Hitler's Pope.
According to John Cornwell, a former seminarian and research fellow at Jesus
College, Cambridge and author of Hitler's Pope: The Secret History of Pope Pius
XII, the wartime Pope displayed a secret antipathy towards the Jews.

Cornwell spent six years researching information in the Vatican archives on
Eugenio Pacelli, as Pius XII was known before his election. He had originally
intended his book to defend Pope Pius XII against criticism that he had not
done enough to stop the Holocaust. Instead he had uncovered evidence that
amounted to a wider indictment.

As the papal envoy in Munich in 1932, prior to his becoming Pope in 1939,
Pacelli considered the Jews to be part of a Bolshevik plot to destroy
Christendom and agreed to sanction the Vatican-German Concordat of 1933 that
aided Hitler's rise to power. In doing so, he cleared the way for Hitler's
Final Solution to continue. He was Hitler's pawn. He was Hitler's Pope,
said Professor Cornwell.

Although the Vatican was forced to quietly suspend plans for Pius XII's
sainthood due to widespread opposition from Jewish groups and others, the
Catholic Church has defended his record. During a television interview about
Pius XII's wartime role, Archbishop Sambi said that the Vatican had taken the
view that public condemnation of the Holocaust would only have made matters
worse. I am convinced that a strong condemnation would have increased Hitler's
persecution of the Jews. I justify totally what he did to save many Jews.

At the end of the war, the Vatican aided the escape of hundreds of Nazis from
Europe by issuing them with false Red Cross passports. The so-called rat line
involved a network of European monasteries used to harbour war criminals. These
were spirited out of Germany and the former Nazi occupied territories to Latin
America. Mass murderers like Adolf Eichmann, Klaus Barbie and Ante Pavelic were
delivered to the port of Buenos Aires disguised as priests. As in the case of
Barbie, some went on to become expert advisers to Latin American dictatorships
in techniques of repression and torture perfected by the Third Reich.

Last year the Pope had designated the new millennium as a year of
purification for the Church. The Vatican issued a 14-page document, We
Remember, A Reflection on the Shoah, meant as an act of repentance for its
wartime record. During the papal pilgrimage to Israel in March, the Pope had
placed a note in the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem, asking God's forgiveness for
the past sins of his Church, and committing Catholics to future brotherhood
with Jews. French bishops issued an apology for the Church's support for the
collaborationist Vich

[CTRL] OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd)

2000-09-19 Thread Ole Gerstrøm

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Dear Prudy,

Yes, there are lots of stories, claimed to be history.

And it´s not just an opinion, that the person Jesus did not exist. It is more like a 
fact. He was invented. Read David Ickes documentation for yourself.

Love, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark

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Subject: Re: [CTRL] (CTRL) OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd)

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>
> In a message dated 09/16/2000 10:11:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> << - You should read David Ickes documentation in "The Truth Shall Set You
> Free," stating,  that Jesus is not a historical person.
>
>  Love, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen, Denmark >>
>
> Now that's funny.  I'll accept the opinion that Jesus never existed, but
> there seems to be a LOT of history there.  Prudy

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[CTRL] For Worry Warts: Israel cancells session with Palestinians.

2000-09-19 Thread Donald Park


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Posted At:
  9/19/00 9:24:43 am
   From IP:
   just coming off the wires now.hmmm!



   JERUSALEM, Sept 19 (Reuters) - Israel cancelled a planned session of
peace talks with the Palestinians on Tuesday and a
   senior Israeli official said a temporary suspension was in effect due to
Palestinian intransigence.

   Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat told Reuters he was "very surprised"
by the decision and expressed regret that talks
   planned for Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday apparently would not be held.
"(Israeli Prime Minister Ehud) Barak decided on
   a temporary suspension because of a hardening in the Palestinian
positions," said the official, who insisted on anonymity.
   "Therefore, today"s meeting was cancelled."

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[CTRL] Funeral & protest rally today for 11yr old killed in SWAT raid - No drugs found

2000-09-19 Thread Kathleen


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Here is a link to the initial story
11-year-old shot in back by FBI/DEA SWAT team during narc
sweep
http://www.nandotimes.com/nation/story/body/0,1037,500257300-
500395380-50235 3680-0,00.html


Funeral and protest rally today for 11-year old killed in Modesto
SWAT raid - No drugs found in home

Source: Modesto Bee
Published: September 19, 2000 Author: MICHAEL G. MOONEY
and CRYSTAL
CARREON


Eleven-year-old Alberto "Betito" Sepulveda will be buried today, six
days after he was shot to death in his Modesto home by a SWAT
team member during a drug raid.

Later today, a rally is planned outside the 5:15 p.m. Modesto City
Council meeting at Tenth Street Place, to protest the Police
Department's claim that the shooting was accidental.

Modesto Mayor Carmen Sabatino and Police Chief Roy W.
Wasden are expected to attend the boy's funeral, which will begin
with a 9 a.m. Mass at St. Frances of Rome Catholic Church in
Riverbank.

Following the Mass, the procession to St. Stanislaus Catholic
Cemetery will be escorted by a Modesto Police Department
motorcycle unit. City officials said the motorcycle escort was
requested by the family. The procession is expected to pass
Prescott Senior Elementary School, where Alberto recently started
the seventh grade.

City officials said they would pay for the boy's funeral and help
repair damage to the Sepulveda home, but family members
rejected the offer.

"By accepting their money for the funeral it's like saying what they
did was OK. It's not OK," said Felipe Martinez, the boy's uncle.
"When they killed him, they took part of our lives away. We're still
angry."


Relatives, friends and reporters crowded around Martinez in front of
the Riverbank Memorial Chapel, where a public viewing was held
Monday evening. Inside, a stream of men, women and children paid
their respects. City Councilman Mike Serpa was among those
attending.

White roses and carnations surrounded the boy's black coffin at the
front of the chapel positioned beneath a lit portrait of Jesus with
the crown of thorns. A ribbon with the message: "You are forever
loved," was lightly clasped in his hands, rosary beads woven
through his fingers.

"I told him I love him and that I miss him," said his 8-year-old
sister, Xitlalic Sepulveda.

Outside, two Latino community advocates held bilingual signs:
"Solamente Pedimos Justicia" (We only ask for justice) and "We
protest the racist murder of 11-year-old Alberto Sepulveda."

"We want justice," said Miguel Donoso, who carried one of the
signs. "We want a federal investigation."

At least four separate investigations -- two reviews by the Police
Department, one by the city attorney's office and one by the district
attorney's office -- are under way.

Two Hispanic organizations -- the Los Banos chapter of the
Mexican-American Political Association and the Modesto chapter
of the American GI Forum -- want outside agencies, such as the
California attorney general, to investigate the shooting. Wasden
said his department would welcome either a state or federal probe.

"We can't bring this little boy back," Wasden said. "We need to
learn, move forward and make sure nothing like this ever happens
again. Clearly, this investigation is going to change the way we do
business. It would be an even bigger tragedy if it weren't."

Officer David Hawn, whose shotgun discharged when he was
pointing it at the boy, remains on paid leave, and Wasden said
Monday he wasn't sure when Hawn would return to duty.

The 21-year officer was involved in a previous shooting incident with
the SWAT team in February 1999. Police were investigating a man
with guns and drugs in his La Loma area home. The man
committed suicide before police entered. A pit bull attacked the
officers when they went inside and Hawn's gun discharged.
Investigators ruled that the man was already dead and Hawn was
exonerated.

Alberto Sepulveda was fatally shot on Wednesday as he lay face
down on his bedroom floor, as ordered by the officers.

Moments earlier, Hawn and other SWAT team members stormed
inside to secure the house before federal drug agents entered to
arrest the boy's father, 33-year-old Moises Sepulveda.

Investigators say they may never may know how Hawn's gun
discharged.  Wasden said one possibility is that something
accidentally moved the trigger as Hawn pointed the gun at the boy -
- perhaps the handle of a knife.

John Caudron, a firearms expert who has reconstructed gun
accidents for the past 25 years, said the trigger on Hawn's weapon,
a 12-gauge Bernelli shotgun, had to have been pulled.

"Unless the trigger's pulled, it won't go off," he said.

The pull could have come from Hawn's finger, he said, or, as
Wasden suggested, clothing or equipment could have snagged the
trigger when the officer was jostled in the hallway.

Moments after the shooting, other officers heard Hawn say his
finger was not on the trigger.

"All we can say is nothing we've found at this point

[CTRL] CIA, FBI and Pentagon team to fight terrorism

2000-09-19 Thread radman


September 18, 2000

CIA, FBI and Pentagon team to fight terrorism



By James Kitfield, National Journal

Barely three weeks after the Aug. 7, 1998, bombings of American embassies
in Kenya and Tanzania left 258 people dead and more than 5,000 wounded,
Attorney General Janet Reno received a classified briefing by senior
officials in the FBIs International Counterterrorism Operations Center.
The FBI had sent roughly 300 FBI agents to Africa to work on the case and
were already on the verge of making their first arrests.  They also
had intelligence indicating that the bombings were the work of a
terrorist network run by Saudi-born Islamic zealot Osama bin Laden.
Reno was insistent that the CIA be fully apprised of the FBIs findings,
according to sources present at the classified briefing on the
5th floor of the FBIs headquarters. Reno
was so concerned about CIA-FBI cooperation that she broke in abruptly
during the briefing to again stress the point. You have to make sure,
Reno repeated, that the CIA knows about this.
At that point, the deputy director of the FBIs Counterterrorism Division
spoke up and said: Madam Attorney General, Im from the CIA. I assure
you the agency is fully aware of this intelligence. What Reno didnt
realize was that her No. 2 official for counterterrorism was in fact a
CIA agent, and that over in Langley, Va., the CIAs No. 2 official for
counterterrorism was an FBI agent. The two rival outfits had already
swallowed their pride, ingested the message of agency cooperation that
had been tossed at them for years by Congress, and allowed previously
hostile agents into their midst.
More recently, FBI and CIA counterterrorism experts worked together to
thwart another suspected bin Laden bombing plot that was timed to
coincide with year 2000 celebrations, and which targeted many hundreds
and perhaps thousands of Americans for injury and death. Indeed, after
years of resisting such cooperation, as much for bureaucratic reasons as
for constitutional ones, the CIA, FBI, and now the Defense Department
believe that the federal government must reorganize itself in a more
collaborative way if it is to successfully combat new threats from
terrorists, spies, cybersleuths, and international criminal groups who
have few ties to foreign governments. 
Most significant, senior officials of the CIA, FBI, Defense Department,
and National Security Council have worked quietly for more than a year to
draft a plan to broaden cross-agency cooperation to encompass virtually
the governments entire national security apparatus. Called
Counter-Intelligence 21, or CI-21 to insiders, the plan, which includes
a new governmentwide counterintelligence czar, has been undergoing
finishing touches after input from the Senate Intelligence Oversight
Committee. 
The executive order should be ready for President Clintons signature in
coming weeks. If successful, the reforms will institutionalize a level of
cooperation never before seen between the FBI, the CIA, and the Pentagon.
In the process, CI-21 may also force lawmakers and the American public to
rethink long-accepted notions of what constitutes national security, as
well as the once-clear boundaries between domestic law enforcement,
foreign intelligence gathering, and defense preparedness.
Everyone who works this problem has quickly realized that the old
paradigm of the threats to U.S. national security-hostile nations and
their intelligence services-is far too narrow of a definition in the
post-Cold War era, said John McGaffin, a longtime CIA operative and FBI
consultant who spearheaded the CI-21 effort. There are countless
potential bad guys capable of doing us significant harm.
McGaffin also said that during the CI-21 drafting process, the various
agency officials discovered this terrible disconnect in which the
makers of national security policy in the White House and State and
Defense departments simply were not talking to the counterintelligence
and counterterrorism communities.  More important, the spies and
counterspies found it hard to do their work because the policy-makers had
not laid out new definitions of national security. No longer is national
security simply about protecting armies, navies, and military
secrets-its about defending the banking system, the Internet, and new
technologies. Said McGaffin: Because the policy community has not
defined or prioritized the crown jewels of American prosperity and
national security, we in the intelligence community cannot tell if those
assets are being threatened or adequately protected.
   
A Hidden Menace
Most Americans perceive the United States as a nation at peace abroad and
prosperous and secure at home. A globe-spanning U.S. military helps keep
the lid on conflicts around the world, no superpower rival appears yet on
the horizon, and the U.S. economy cruises along in hyperdrive with the
help of Information

[CTRL] Diana bodyguard takes post in East Timor


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Subject:  [CTRL] Diana bodyguard takes post in East Timor
Date: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 8:20 AM

Diana bodyguard takes post in East Timor

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_53583.html

The bodyguard of Diana, Princess of Wales, who survived the Paris car
crash that killed her and Dodi Fayed, has begun a new life in East
Timor.

Trevor Rees-Jones, 32, who underwent major reconstruction surgery
following the 1997 crash, is said to have taken up the post of deputy
head of security for the United Nations in Suai, East Timor.

The Times reported that Mr Rees-Jones is on a one-year contract
alongside UN peacekeepers from Australia, New Zealand, Fiji and
Pakistan.

The former British paratrooper arrived on August 4 weeks after making a
pilgrimage for the first time to the Princess's resting place at
Althorp, Northamptonshire, the paper said.

He sleeps in a run-down building that has come under fire from militia,
The Times reported, and runs the risk of contracting dengue fever and
malaria, which have struck a quarter of Timor-based soldiers this year.

This comes as up to 10,000 people are expected to attend a memorial
service at Suai Cathedral to commemorate the first anniversary of the
massacre of 200 men, women and children in the town.

The massacre took place last year in the aftermath of disturbances that
followed the 78% vote for independence from Indonesia.

Last updated: 00:53 Tuesday 5th September 2000

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[CTRL] post zionist Israel

2000-09-19 Thread J Taylor


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Ha'aretz: 62% of immigrants first half 2000 from th eformer Soviet Union not
Jewish - was 50% same period 1999


>
>
>
>
>Ha'aretz: 62% of immigrants  first half 2000 from the former Soviet Union
>not Jewish - was 50% same period 1999
>By Shahar Ilan Ha'aretz Religious Affairs Correspondent  Ha'aretz 18
>September 2000
>
>Nearly two thirds of new immigrants from the former Soviet Union arriving
>during the first half of 2000 are not Jewish, according to data presented
to
>Diaspora Affairs Minister, Michael Melchior. The figure is up from 50
>percent during the same period last year.
>Speaking at a press conference yesterday, Melchior said, "I was in Moscow
>and Kiev, I visited embassies and we could not find Jews. Good people sat
>there but they had no connection to Israel or the Jewish people. There was
a
>family of eight that had a grandfather who was a quarter Jewish and had
died
>some 20 years earlier."
>On this basis, Melchior repeated his view that the "grandchild clause" in
>the law of return should be canceled. According to this, the grandchild of
a
>Jew has the right to immigrate to Israel even though he and his parents may
>not be Jews. Melchior argues that the "grandchild clause" undermines the
>purpose of the law of return.
>

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Re: [CTRL] Keep the Homophobes Out of Our Discussion

2000-09-19 Thread Nate Fischer


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You ask the question "You don't consider an active, Presidentially approved
attempt to deny the
BSA their constitutional rights a conspiracy?"


Well here is your answer two fold

First of all, all the presidential order does is prevent funding from a
national level to the BSA.

Second, I don't see the government giving any funding to the KKK another
group with similaristic discrimatory practices.

I know I will get a lot of feedback here for this but you must remember
everyone is entitled to their opinions including the KKK and the BSA, but
does not mean that the Governement HAS TO SUPPORT them.

Perhaps homosexuals are looking at bringing down the BSA, but that would be
no differently looked at then a Jewish or Black foundation trying to take
down the KKK.

If the BSA continues their discriminatory practices it will have to rely on
internal funding rather than other organizations, and you know what that is
their choice to not grow up with the rest of the organizations like the
United Way.

HEY WAKE UP, THE UNITED WAY DOES NOT HAVE TO GIVE MONEY TO ANYONE, what is
the problem here.

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Re: [CTRL] NAZI POLICY TOWARD HOMOSEXUALS

2000-09-19 Thread Nate Fischer


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>From Aleisha most recent post

I think that if this does not prove the question asked below, I don't know
what does


>So much for what elements are out to destroy the boy scouts..as Mrs.
>Lieberman said - here we are Hitler but the other 55 million are not
>there, are they to protest outrages such as this..did our men die
>overseas to protest the sodomists who now are predators taking aim at
>boy scoutsand see who is behind them all the way?.

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Subject: Re: [CTRL] NAZI POLICY TOWARD HOMOSEXUALS


From: "Amelia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I have not seen anybody on this list say that ALL homosexuals are
> pedophiles.

Yet that is exactly what you are implying, especially with your hew and cry
regarding the Boy Scouts.  You and
your subpersonalities are claiming that because gays would like to openly
serve as scout leaders, that this
will automatically lead to acts of pedophilia.

That is no more true than when heterosexual adults who lead other types of
youth groups with children of both
sexesare you saying that all men who lead youth groups that contain
little girls in them are automatically
going to sexually molest those little girls?


June

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Re: [CTRL] Keep the Homophobes Out of Our Discussion


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In a message dated 9/19/00 5:45:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
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<< The end result is the same...the neo-nazis sought to divert the list with
squabblings about Jews and the
 Holocaust, the current crop of homophobes seek to divert the list in the
same manner... >>

 It seems to me and was stated earlier that none of this discussion is
fruitful and that the real purpose of all the hot-button issues serves only
one purpose.  The purpose is to widen the scope or governmental control and
to multiply the power of the government.  The government grows stronger and
the individual citizens gets weaker because government gains control by
stealing power from it's citizens.  Our Constitution was designed to prevent
this, but obviously isn't working because government grows stronger every day.

 Rather than attacking the government we attack each other and try to
affix "blame" for the ills of our society on different groups ... blacks
against whites, poor against rich, Democrats vs Republicans, religion,
abortion, homosexuality, war, the environment, free energy, petroleum,
housing, education, immigration, language and dozens of others.

 Government can be defeated and made to toe the line, but first we have
to stop squabbling amongst ourselves; this is a very hard thing to do and we
all get caught up in the fray.  Freedom should be the goal; Liberty is a
forgotten word in it's true meaning; I'm only learning the true meaning of
"Liberty" myself.

 Government should derive it's power from the governed, but this is no
longer true.  It is time to change that or we will become a completely
"Statist" society with the government having "Rights" not the individual.

Regards,
Bob Stokes
Coming to you today from sunny San Jose; Have a nice day!

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Re: [CTRL] Keep the Homophobes Out of Our Discussion


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<< So Remember the USS Liberty and Long Live Eric Rudolph.
 >>

LONG LIVE ERIC RUDOLPH?

Are you serious? Now we celebrate psychopaths here??

Not me! Screw Rudolph!!

Bill.

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Re: [CTRL] test 5

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>I'm seeing a lot of tests.. is Listserv pulling an Egroups? Did
>YaHell break loose here?
 I was trying to get caveat lector back up nad then I lost the bottom banner.
so I had to get it back , too

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Re: [CTRL] test 5

2000-09-19 Thread Tenorlove


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I'm seeing a lot of tests.. is Listserv pulling an Egroups? Did
YaHell break loose here?


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[CTRL] Speaker Schedule for CIA-Drugs Symposium II - LA, CA -9/23/2000


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A speaker's Schedule.

9-10   Kris Millegan
10-11 Mike Ruppert
11-12 Cele Castillio

12-1  Lunch Break

1-3 Speakers/Panel Discussion -  The Mother's Tragedy

Linda Ives
Jean Duffey
Mara Leveritt
Daniel Hopsicker
Dedon Kamathi
Donna Warren
Annie Ross

3-3:15-Short Break

3:15  Peter Dale Scott

4:30-6:00 Panel Discussion and Q/A

Peter Dale Scott
Mike Ruppert
Cele Castillio
Dan Hopsicker
John Carman

There will be also be some other shorter presentations by Bill Simpich, lead
Attorney in a class action lawsuit against the CIA and Ben Attias from http://
speech.csun.edu/ben/news/cia/

Additional info at www.cia-drugs.org.

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[CTRL] test 5


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test and test

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[CTRL] Corruption at the Border


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Click Here: http://www.amerikanexpose.com/customs1.html">Corruption
at the Border
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John will also be at CIA-Drugs Sympsoium II

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Corruption at the Border


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 Incident Report: June 16, 1999 Grossmont Shopping Center Parking Lot

This was a "Port Runner" that got away from another Customs Official, but I
intercepted it before the driver could do anything and he ran back to
Tijuana, Mexico, leaving over 100 lbs of narcotics. I caught it abandoned
with the drivers id. still attached to the windshield. I was driving the
Customs "Chase Car" that evening. One of my usual catches. I had a 90%
success rate over anything that got away from another Customs or Immigration
official that originated from Tijuana thru San Ysidro. This was about 1993.
Unfortunately, shortly thereafter, customs managers decided to scrap the
"chase car" program. Go figure??


 Ex-Treasury Official Charged With Fraud

 Murder, Money & Mexico
 Family Tree of Power & Narco-Corruption

 Arms Smuggling on the Border

 Customs Service's High-Tech Planes Have Been an Effective Weapon in Drug War

 The Strange Death of Colonel Sabow By Gary Null

 U.S. Office of Special Counsel

 Customs official faces perjury counts

 Customs Whistle Blower Probed by Grand Jury

I have just confirmed through reliable government, and "non-government"
sources that the so-called U.S. Customs "Air Interdiction Programs" have been
suspended since about 1997.
This came from "several" very well placed contacts throughout the United
States and at various U.S. Customs Air Bases, and along the U.S./Mexican
Border airfields which are supposedly working around the clock to interdict
narcotics.
Operation "Blue Lightning", which is one of many Customs Drug Interdiction
programs has apparently has been "shot down" by the Clinton Administration as
early as 1997 and possibly earlier. Reliable sources have recently informed
me that while visiting a local former Military Air Base, where Customs
maintains an air group, it was determined that there were no Anti-Drug
Missions being flown for quite some time and that the equipment or weather
was not a problem. There were at least a dozen planes and one black hawk
helicopter which were blocked off and tied down for an extended period of
time. These interdiction aircraft are specially equipped with F.L.I.R.
(Forward Looking Infared devices) for spotting illegal drug flights that
occur at night time.Most of the time these suspected smuggler's planes do NOT
have the required FAA transponders on board so that they can easily be
detected.
One such confirmed instance of this "shut down" was in Gulfport, Mississippi
a few years ago. There was an incident where someone noticed all the U.S.
Customs planes at the Air Interdiction Group were NOT flying for some reason.
There were several "innocent" inquiries made to all the pilots and other
support personnel who were all sitting around and drinking coffee and eating
their donuts collecting their highly rated pilots paychecks and A.U.O.
(automatic uncontrollable overtime) which is an additional 25% overtime, were
all enjoying themselves. One individual asked, "Hey, how come you guys aren't
flying today?" "It's beautiful weather out there!" "Is there something wrong
with your planes or equipment?"

[CTRL] Test Only

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Stratfor.com's Global Intelligence Update - 19 September 2000
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Know your world

Uneasy Partners: China and Russia
http://www.stratfor.com/asia/commentary/0009190125.htm

Russia: Military Quiet as Leaders Wrangle over Balanced Budget
http://www.stratfor.com/CIS/commentary/0009190047.htm

South Africa Looks for More Lucrative Arms Market
http://www.stratfor.com/MEAF/commentary/0009190105.htm
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Fujimori Capitulates - Washington Exhales

Summary

Last week, a videotape was released showing Vladimiro Montesinos,
head of Peru's National Intelligence Service (SIN), bribing an
opposition congressman. The release of the video is most likely
connected to the delivery of arms to a Colombian guerrilla group
one year ago. The disclosure of the videotape was likely an inside
job by a highly placed mole who may have been working for a U.S.
intelligence agency. Peruvian President Alberto Fujimori has
dissolved the SIN and announced new presidential elections. The
unexpected decision has diverted public interest from an arms
scandal that could potentially embarrass the United States, as
Montesinos' SIN and military intelligence services had been
cooperating with the United States in the drug war.


Analysis

On Sept. 16, President Alberto Fujimori announced new general
elections, in which he will not be a candidate, and dissolved the
feared National Intelligence Service (SIN) headed by his longtime
political associate Vladimiro Montesinos.

Fujimori's bombshell announcement came 48 hours after Fernando
Olivera of the opposition political party Frente Independiente
Moralizador (FIM) released a videotape of Montesinos handing
$15,000 in cash on May 5 to congressman Alberto Kouri of the
opposition Peru Posible party. Kouri was one of 17 opposition
legislators who switched parties after the April 9 elections in
which Fujimori's party won only 52 of 120 congressional seats.
Olivera claimed he has five more tapes that show Montesinos paying
cash bribes to four more congressmen who switched parties and to a
television media owner.

Fujimori blamed the release of the videotape on forces opposed to
his policies. Olivera said he received the six tapes directly from
"patriotic" army intelligence officials. The tapes, however, were
probably given to him by a civilian official of the SIN and not by
army intelligence officers. The Peruvian military does not have a
tradition of loyalty to democracy. In fact, the country's top
generals, all of whom are intelligence veterans hand-picked by
Montesinos for their loyalty, were clearly stunned by the release
of the videotapes. Further, the Peruvian military did not have
direct access to the videotapes.

Someone with top-security clearance within the SIN, and with direct
access to Montesinos, likely gave Olivera the tape. The six
videotapes were originals taken from a library of more than 2,500
tightly-guarded, clandestine videotapes made by the SIN that
reportedly compromise Peruvian and foreign diplomats, politicians,
businessmen and journalists.

Olivera's party, the party of opposition presidential candidate
Alejandro Toledo, made the videotapes public three weeks after an
Aug. 21 press conference given by Fujimori and Montesinos. Fujimori
announced that the SIN had smashed an international gang that
fraudulently purchased 10,000 AK-47 rifles from the Jordanian army
by posing as Peruvian military officers. The weapons were later
air-dropped to the Fuerzas Armadas Revolucionarias de Colombia (FARC) in
southern Colombia. Fujimori said the gang planned to sell
the FARC another 40,000 rifles. He also charged that Jordan's
former military chief, Abdul Hafez Mureji Kaabneh, and two other
Jordanian generals were involved.
__

For more on Colombia, see:
http://www.stratfor.com/hotspots/colombia/default.htm
_

Montesinos, who had never before appeared at a press conference,
added that senior Peruvian military officials must have been
involved and that the SIN tipped off the Colombian government about
the arms smuggling. In fact, the press conference was a staged
attempt by Montesinos to cover up the fact that individuals close
to him had carried out the arms deal with the FARC.

But the cover-up attempt unraveled quickly. The arms smuggling ring
was detected at the end of 1999 by Colombia and the United States
after the CIA traced the serial numbers of AK-47 rifles captured
from the FARC by Colombian army forces in southern Colombia. The
CIA confirmed that Jordan sold the guns to the Peruvian government.
Further CIA investigations in Peru led to brothers Frank and Jose

[CTRL] OEN 9/19/00


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from:
http://www.aci.net/kalliste/
Click Here: http://www.aci.net/kalliste/">The Home Page of J. Orlin
Grabbe
-
Spy vs. Spy


Peruvian Spymaster Vanishes


Rasputin, rumors, and the file on Fujimori

THE shadowy spy chief at the centre of Peru's political crisis has
disappeared from sight. Some reports say that Vladimiro Montesinos has been
arrested and others that he is busy destroying incriminating evidence.
A corruption scandal involving Mr Montesinos prompted the surprise
announcement from President Alberto Fujimori at the weekend that he would
call early elections and would not stand in them. The move followed the
release of a videotape showing Mr Montesinos, the head of the National
Intelligence Service (SIN), apparently bribing a congressman.

The 54-year-old spy chief, who has been called Peru's Rasputin, has retreated
to the SIN headquarters. Some sources say he is under arrest in the building
pending the outcome of investigations of corruption charges. But others say
he is destroying incriminating files and tapes. Last night reports by
independent media said he had been arrested on the orders of a close
associate of his, Gen Jose Villa Riestra, the armed forces commander.
The reports said he was being held at an air force base, where the SIN has
its headquarters, and that his sister Ana had applied to a court for him to
be released. The spy chief has spent years building up personnel files on
Peruvian figures, and is said to have 2,500 videos of compromising situations
which he has used to blackmail people into supporting the regime. There is
also rumoured to be a thick file on Mr Fujimori.

Mystery still shrouds the reasons for the president's decision, only a few
months after he manipulated the system to win a third term in power. He has
yet to set a date for new elections. A column in Peru's respected daily
newspaper El Comercio suggested that he had tried to sack his powerful
spymaster, but that Mr Montesinos had refused to go and had called upon
elements in the military to support him, leaving the president no choice but
to go.

Other theories include the claim that the opposition politicians who released
the incriminating video have more of them, and that there may be evidence
implicating Mr Fujimori in corruption. Peru's leading opposition figure
returned home from Washington yesterday to be mobbed by hundreds of
supporters.

"There are great reasons to celebrate. This is a gigantic step toward the
recovery of democracy and liberty," Alejandro Toledo, 54, a shoe-shine boy
turned World Bank economist, told the cheering crowd at Lima airport. Mr
Toledo, who is favourite to succeed Mr Fujimori, pulled out midway through
the last presidential election, saying conditions for a fair contest did not
exist.

America has welcomed Mr Fujimori's decision. Joe Lockhart, the White House
spokesman, said: "We call on all parties involved in Peruvian society to work
toward a peaceful transition and a democratic election."
The London Telegraph, September 19, 2000  Ä)>Ë ´

Re: [CTRL] Euro-Federalists financed by Us Spy chiefs


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Boy this movement sure sounds like a fascist movement to me.Hitler
tried to united Europe; in America, the people united under a
constitutuion - cant you see those Europeans in a 100 years arguing yet
over "states rights".

Same old crap - they tried to do iit by war, now they do it by peace
with big policemen - called peace keepers.

Think I would rather go to war and preserve the peace, but that is a
little hard to do without a war in the first place?

Lets start one?   (just kidding)For the root of all evil is Gold,
Oil, and Drugs - the G.O.D. Machine..by hook or crook ..

New World Order, same as the Old World Order

A. Saba
Dare To Call It Conspiracy

[CTRL] Euro-Federalists financed by Us Spy chiefs

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=000114832908976&rtmo=V6sqDfJK&atmo=g3JK&pg=/et/00/9/19/wspy19.html

Euro-federalists financed by US
spy chiefs By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in
Brussels

DECLASSIFIED
American government documents show that the US intelligence
community ran a campaign in the Fifties and Sixties to build
momentum for a united Europe. It funded and directed the European
federalist movement.
The documents confirm suspicions voiced at the time that
America was working aggressively behind the scenes to push Britain
into a European state. One memorandum, dated July 26, 1950, gives
instructions for a campaign to promote a fully fledged European
parliament. It is signed by Gen William J Donovan, head of the
American wartime Office of Strategic Services, precursor of the CIA.

The documents were found by Joshua Paul, a researcher at
Georgetown University in Washington. They include files released by
the US National Archives. Washington's main tool for shaping the
European agenda was the American Committee for a United Europe,
created in 1948. The chairman was Donovan, ostensibly a private
lawyer by then.
The vice-chairman was Allen Dulles, the CIA director in the
Fifties. The board included Walter Bedell Smith, the CIA's first
director, and a roster of ex-OSS figures and officials who moved in
and out of the CIA. The documents show that ACUE financed the
European Movement, the most important federalist organisation in the
post-war years. In 1958, for example, it provided 53.5 per cent of
the movement's funds.
The European Youth Campaign, an arm of the European
Movement, was wholly funded and controlled by Washington. The
Belgian director, Baron Boel, received monthly payments into a
special account. When the head of the European Movement, Polish-born
Joseph Retinger, bridled at this degree of American control and
tried to raise money in Europe, he was quickly reprimanded.
The leaders of the European Movement - Retinger, the
visionary Robert Schuman and the former Belgian prime minister
Paul-Henri Spaak - were all treated as hired hands by their American
sponsors. The US role was handled as a covert operation. ACUE's
funding came from the Ford and Rockefeller foundations as well as
business groups with close ties to the US government.
The head of the Ford Foundation, ex-OSS officer Paul
Hoffman, doubled as head of ACUE in the late Fifties. The State
Department also played a role. A memo from the European section,
dated June 11, 1965, advises the vice-president of the European
Economic Community, Robert Marjolin, to pursue monetary union by
stealth.
It recommends suppressing debate until the point at which
"adoption of such proposals would become virtually inescapable".

[CTRL] Danforth reportedly targets Waco siege whistleblower


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..

>From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]
Note:  We store 100's of related "conspiracy posts" at:
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From: "Rich Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Danforth reportedly targets Waco siege whistleblower
Date: Friday, September 01, 2000 1:07 AM

  From the Home of Rich & Peggy Martin

   Grand Prairie, TX 75050   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   It's nice to be important, but it's important to be nice.
   ___

  INTRODUCTORY COMMENTARY


 This was a long time coming, but surely it was expected. The Special
 Persecutor appointed by Janet Reno to investigate the govt misdeeds
 at Waco has finally shed his skin and is going after his real target, one
 of the few remaining honorable men involved in the massacre of the
 Davidians. Hitler/Stalin couldn't be any more cunning.

 After seeing how the govt even eats it's own when they get out of line,
 does anyone believe that had Koresh lived that he would have gotten a
 fair trial (in front of govt stooge Smith)?

 Rich Martin
 Editor of Slick
 ^


  Subj: Danforth reportedly targets Waco siege whistleblower
  Date: 8/31/2000 9:14:13 PM Central Daylight Time
  From: mailto:WacoTragedy News">WacoTragedy News


  A few of us had a running debate about who Danforth's team was going to go
after. I totally believed it was Johnston, others believed it was the husband
and wife team. The government detests whistle blowers... prepare for battle
Bill.

  ~Sharlene~
  ~~

  http://dallasnews.com/latestnews/160192_waco_01tex.html

  Danforth reportedly targets Waco siege whistleblower

  08/31/2000

  By Lee Hancock / The Dallas Morning News

  The former prosecutor who warned last year of a possible cover-up of
federal
  actions in the Branch Davidian siege has been told he is being targeted
  for prosecution by Waco Special Counsel John C. Danforth.

  Friends and associates of former assistant U.S. Attorney Bill Johnston say
  he has been told by the special counsel's office that he will soon be
indicted
  on charges ranging from obstruction of justice to making false statements to
  federal investigators.

  They say he has been told that the charges stem from his withholding of
  several pages of personal, pretrial notes from the 1994 federal prosecution
of
  surviving Branch Davidians.

  They say that Mr.  Johnston's action was a mistake driven by his concern
that
  his notes would be misused by others in the U.S.  attorney's office who
  were angry about his public criticism of the Justice Department's handling
of
  the Waco tragedy.

  Mr.  Johnston declined to comment Thursday, referring questions to his
  criminal defense attorney.  The lawyer, Michael Kennedy of New York City,
  released a brief written statement Thursday confirming that the Waco
special
  counsel has threatened Mr.  Johnston with federal indictments in both Texas
  and St. Louis.

  "This law office and Mr.  Johnston believe that he was unfairly targeted
for his
   frequent criticism of the U.S. government and for blowing the whistle on
the
  government's efforts to mislead the public about the government's use of
  pyrotechnic devices against the Branch Davidians," said Mr.  Kennedy, whose
  past clients include New York socialite Ivana Trump and Whitewater target
  Susan McDougal.

  Officials with Mr.  Danforth's office in St.  Louis declined to comment
Thursday.

  But Mr.  Johnston's friends and former law enforcement associates in Waco
  say they already are rallying support for the embattled former prosecutor,
  starting a legal defense fund for what is expected to be an aggressive
court battle.

  "We've got a group together.  We're raising money.
  I'm spending most of my time today working on calling on some people with
  deep pockets," said David Smith, a former Waco city manager.  "We're ready
  to fight 'em.  I think that they're going to find that this community is
100 percent
  behind Bill."

  Several Waco officials said U.S.  District Judge Walter S.  Smith Jr.  was
so
  dismayed by reports of the special counsel's treatment of Mr.  Johnston
  that he told Mr. Danforth's investigators last week that they could no
longer
  carry firearms into the Waco federal courthouse and would be allowed only
the
  access to the building given to the general public.

  Judge Smith, who has presided over all of the litigation arising from the
1993
  Davidian standoff, has declined to comment.

  But other officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said two
investigators
  for Mr. Danforth who had previously officed in the courthouse have not
returned
  since the judge told them he had ended his court's cooperation with Mr.
  Danforth's inquiry and said he considere

Re: [CTRL] WP: U.S. Probe Of Former CIA Chief Expands


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In a message dated 09/16/2000 10:39:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< "We find his conduct in this regard particularly egregious in
 light of existing DOD policy directive saddressing the
 safeguarding of classified information," an internal Pentagon
 memo said.  "This situation was exacerbated because Dr.  Deutch,
 while serving as the [deputy secretary of defense], declined
 departmental requests that he allow security systems to be
 installed in his residence.

 "The evidence we obtained clearly establishes that Dr.  Deutch
 failed to follow even the most basic security precautions," the
 memo added. >>



Two days after Deutch retired from the CIA, agency computer
personnel discovered classified information stored on government
computers at Deutch's home.  After a series of investigations,
Deutch admitted the security breach, apologized for violating CIA
policy and was stripped of his security clearances.

Initially, the Justice Department decided not to prosecute
Deutch.  But earlier this year, Attorney General Janet Reno
decided to review the matter after criticism that Deutch had
received much more favorable treatment than former Los Alamos
nuclear scientist Wen Ho Lee.

.

Some of the computers Deutch used were given away or sold by the
Defense Department as surplus property and ended up in various
places, including a scrap metal dealer in Baltimore and a
university in Florida.

Senior advisers to Reno have expressed concern about the
appearance of a double standard when the Deutch case is compared
with Lee's.

How could anyone think that a double standard exists here?  Why even the
appearance of a double standard is unthinkable.   But come to think of it,
Janet Reno is "unthinking."  No rational thought ever seems to penetrate.
She gives the phrase "set in concrete" a whole new meaning.  Prudy

Re: [CTRL] Keep the Homophobes Out of Our Discussion


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Oh really June - neo nazis on this list?  You put jews in same category
as homosexuals and lesbians - one is a religion and the other is a
sickness?

It is the talmud - the Jewish bible which seems to indicate that sodomy
is a no no.

But of course than you do not like Lieberman, do you - for you indicate
he is no good - that was because I sent out one item BEFORE he was VP
candidate which portrayed him as a decent man?

Well he is being tested now to see if his courage equates to his
convictions.if he can preach on street corners and get away wth it,
guess we can throw all that ADL  sponsored and Souther Poverty Law
Center homosexual garbage out and put a little prayer back.

What is that old line - when you are about to take all one has away from
him, leave something of value?

Of value?   Well they would leave teachings of sodomy in the schools for
little elementary kids and preach birth control and passing out
conraceptives to encourage free sex.and evenually thought, we would
have a generation of young people obsessed with drugs, sex, pornography,
and free love like Hilliary wants to pass about - prostitution would be
legal - and this sick society would have nothing of value.

So Remember the USS Liberty and Long Live Eric Rudolph.

As for Lieberman whom you indicated was no good - not for the working
man?   What the hell did you expect from a Yale Man?

A. Saba
Dare To Call It Conspiracy

[CTRL] Fw: Attack waged on anti-violence bill


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- Original Message -
From: "Amelia Kay Edgeman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 9:05 AM
Subject: Attack waged on anti-violence bill


> http://www.msnbc.com/news/460915.asp
>

Re: [CTRL] Keep the Homophobes Out of Our Discussion


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June, I believe the BSA are fully prepared to get along without the very
small federal funding they receive.   Think that was understood before
taking this stand.It is a pittance!  Guess it is better spent on lost
Mars probes, etc.  Scouting is about self-reliance and they will just have
to work a little harder.  One local troop here makes enough off their
Christmas tree sales to sponsor  a few families Christmas Charities and
often a new Cub den.  I have every confidence they can make it without this
very minor subsidy.
Amelia
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From: "Ynr Chyldz Wyld" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Keep the Homophobes Out of Our Discussion


> -Caveat Lector-
>
> From: "Mike Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > What part of the word PUBLIC do you fail to understand June? The BSA may
be
> > a private institution as such. And be that as it may, the members
thereof
> > are still comprised of the PUBLIC.
>
> When members of the public join together in a PRIVATE, exclusionary group,
they are no longer members of the
> public at large, but private citizens congregating in a private group.  As
such, they have no right to expect
> the public to foot their bill.
>
>
> > Now June, reread definitions 1a, 2a & 2c, 3a, 5 & 6a
>
> I suggest YOU reread it, because if those definitions applied to the BSA,
then ALL members of the public would
> have to be allowed to be members, and that means homosexuals, atheists,
satanists, whatever.
>
> Would you suggest that the Freemasons, or the Hibernians, or the Catholic
or Satanist churches, or gay
> activist groups, receive public funds and the use of public facilities?
They are all made up of members of
> the public, also.
>
>
> > Now do you get it?
>
> I've always gotten it.  You obviously don't.
>
>
> June
>

Re: [CTRL] Keep the Homophobes Out of Our Discussion


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It is YOU who are breathing life into this tired, exhausted subject more
than any others on list combined.  This speaks volumes about your intent in
doing so, too.
Amelia

> What also is being failed to be grasped here is the fact that the
neo-nazis who infested this list a while
> back have been replaced by a cell of seeming homophobes...
>
> Interesting that if someone said relatively the same thing about Jews as
what is being allowed to be posted
> about gays, they'd get an immediate boot off the list.
>
> The end result is the same...the neo-nazis sought to divert the list with
squabblings about Jews and the
> Holocaust, the current crop of homophobes seek to divert the list in the
same manner...
>
>
> June
>

Re: [CTRL] WP: U.S. Probe Of Former CIA Chief Expands


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In a message dated 09/16/2000 10:39:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Senior advisers to Reno have expressed concern about the
 appearance of a double standard when the Deutch case is compared
 with Lee's.  The former Los Alamos National Laboratory scientist,
 accused of 59 felony counts of downloading nuclear secrets to
 unsecured computers and portable tapes, was released from jail
 earlier this week after receiving an apology from a federal
 judge, who said the Justice Department's handling of the case had
 "embarrassed our entire nation."

 Lee pleaded guilty to a single felony count of mishandling
 classified information and agreed to cooperate with investigators
 by answering questions about what happened to the tapes. >>

Re: [CTRL] (CTRL) OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd)


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In a message dated 09/16/2000 10:11:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< - You should read David Ickes documentation in "The Truth Shall Set You
Free," stating,  that Jesus is not a historical person.

 Love, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen, Denmark >>

Now that's funny.  I'll accept the opinion that Jesus never existed, but
there seems to be a LOT of history there.  Prudy

[CTRL] Fw: Oil prices spike above $37 a barrel


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- Original Message -
From: "Amelia Kay Edgeman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 8:00 AM
Subject: Oil prices spike above $37 a barrel


> http://www.msnbc.com/news/462425.asp
>

Re: [CTRL] The Gay Youth Suicide Myth


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What an outlandish assumption!  You are really reaching here, June!  What
does sex education have to do with personal
preference/peccadilloes/fetishes?  What YOU are saying is that it should
include such things and it certainly should not any more than the
reproductive system should be taught by dropping one's pants. an adult
discussing their personal sex life with children is inappropriate and a form
of sexual abuse. But it is so very "June" of you to think it should be
taught this way.
Amelia


- Original Message -
From: "Ynr Chyldz Wyld" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] The Gay Youth Suicide Myth


> -Caveat Lector-
>
> From: "Amelia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > I have always judged the people my own children were around by their
> > character, not sexual orientation.  I do not think children should be
aware
> > of the sexual preferences/peccadilloes/fetishes of the adults into whose
> > care they are placed.  I think the subject is inappropriate for children
> > period.
>
> So you are against sex education, too?
>
>
> June
>

Re: [CTRL] "The Jesuit Oath"


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Nessie - Once I made a family tree of Secret Societies - one for left,
one for right..at the top, was the Knight Templar who cut a deal
with the Assassins - now at the end, be they Catholic or Protestant
Knights - at the bottom of my little family tree and I put this in my
first writing in 1968 - I ended up with well - CIA and Mafia - united
like the old Knights and Assassins.

Further when DeMolay was it he who was burnt at the stake - the King
later was murdered or killed and the date was November 22?   Wasn/t tht
King Philip who with the Pope did them in?

So my family tree goes back to Hugh DePayn and beyond.at one time
all were one and one were for all but today's Mafia, well let us say I
call them the White Knights and the Black Knights, and those two men on
a horse dressed in the black, I call the Avengers of the Blood Royal.

Further the old Austrian/Hungarian curse of every 100
years..remember, Hitler or as Nostradamus wrote Hister ( they
got to be kidding so Hitler took that name for a reason in fulfilling
prophecies) - but this ancient curse the Austrians will get  what they
want and they too hit every hundred years.

My old MI6 friend told me the Kennedy's were being punished for
something that happened 500 years ago and that was in 1970 period - hey,
there was a Fitzgerald Curse, ot Kennedy Curse for the Fitzgeralds
youfind symbolically in the bible.the Great Gerald of Og.married
Princess Nesta whose ancestor was one of three wise men.Og of
course, a huge man, was murdered with Sihon in the bible so Moses the
womanizer could get to the promised land where God got him on Mt. Nebo
and like Hoffa, they never found his body either?   He was, that he
was...nobody is perfect.

So you update all these old legends and keep in mind the little Sirhan
Bishara Sirhan had a mentor and looked into dark mirrors - like Clintons
dark glass he sees through but darklySirhan's his father said he
family tree went back 1000 years - find that hard to believe for this
family was next to illiterate but Sirhan thought he was great genius.

One I was given a book of all the Saints - it was printed in late 1600
period and the other was of all the Kings and Queens.

So anyone for Chess..and remember, checkmate means assassinate - you
know they want to test chess players for drugs now and they might do
well to remember the game of golffor it is all done now in the name
of drugs.and the old assassins of yesterday are still around - using
same rituals - running brothels, opium/cocaine and ecstasy - murder for
profit...these are not Jesuits for something is missing here?Was
Meyer Lansky Jewish?  Like asking, is the Pope Catholic?

The is more war in God's name only these people do not believe in God,
they use him.and boy when that big lightning bolt hits, I do not
want anywhere near that one - when the Alpha and Omega Man, the Bright
and Morning Star, returns ...

So to each his ownfor every King has his Knight who probably
still travel in pairs - two men on a horse tracking down the killers
even if they make it to the cities of refuge - they will seek them out
whether they be in witness protection with a new name

A. Saba
Dare To Call It Conspiracy

Re: [CTRL] (CTRL) OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd)


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In a message dated 09/15/2000 9:54:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Yeah especially in churches and among the clerical hierarchy. >>

Well, Joshua, was the Last Supper a Passover meal?  I'm sure if I was a
student of the Bible, I would know this, but I'm not sure.  Yes, I agree that
Christ was born into a middle class family with a carpentry business.  Even
his place of birth was one that under the circumstances demonstrated that
Joseph had enough money to secure a warm place even under very crowded
conditions.  The poor would have been huddled outside the caravansaray walls
which provided little safety and proximity to the toilet area.  There are
still villages where people go "outside the walls" for toilet purposes.  I
have never known any Jews who have taken a vow of poverty, so I do not know
what vessels they allow themselves with which to celebrate Passover.
There's something incongruous about  a group who have taken a vow of poverty
drinking wine from a jewel encrusted cup.  Prudy

Re: [CTRL] "The Jesuit Oath"

2000-09-19 Thread Robert F. Tatman


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Nessie, I haven't seen specific references, but will research this and get back
to the list.  I've wondered myself just which Protestant kings were
assassinated.

- Original Message -
From: "nessie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 1:50 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] "The Jesuit Oath"


> -Caveat Lector-
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
> >
> >In a few instances,
>
> >Jesuit agents assassinated kings who had come to regard them as their most
>
> >trustworthy advisers.
>
>
>
> Which kings?
>

Re: [CTRL] Keep the Homophobes Out of Our Discussion


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From: "Mike Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> What part of the word PUBLIC do you fail to understand June? The BSA may be
> a private institution as such. And be that as it may, the members thereof
> are still comprised of the PUBLIC.

When members of the public join together in a PRIVATE, exclusionary group, they are no 
longer members of the
public at large, but private citizens congregating in a private group.  As such, they 
have no right to expect
the public to foot their bill.


> Now June, reread definitions 1a, 2a & 2c, 3a, 5 & 6a

I suggest YOU reread it, because if those definitions applied to the BSA, then ALL 
members of the public would
have to be allowed to be members, and that means homosexuals, atheists, satanists, 
whatever.

Would you suggest that the Freemasons, or the Hibernians, or the Catholic or Satanist 
churches, or gay
activist groups, receive public funds and the use of public facilities?  They are all 
made up of members of
the public, also.


> Now do you get it?

I've always gotten it.  You obviously don't.


June

Re: [CTRL] Keep the Homophobes Out of Our Discussion


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From: "Damian B. Cooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Oh  brother!
>
> If you don't understand that homosexuals and homosexuality are being
> manipulated by others with an agenda that has damn little to do with either,
> you don't understand "conspiracy".

What also is being failed to be grasped here is the fact that the neo-nazis who 
infested this list a while
back have been replaced by a cell of seeming homophobes...

Interesting that if someone said relatively the same thing about Jews as what is being 
allowed to be posted
about gays, they'd get an immediate boot off the list.

The end result is the same...the neo-nazis sought to divert the list with squabblings 
about Jews and the
Holocaust, the current crop of homophobes seek to divert the list in the same manner...


June

[CTRL] NYT: Goddess Theory a Conspiracy?

2000-09-19 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER


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From:

http://www.nytimes.com/books/00/09/17/reviews/000917.17angiert.html


Goddes Theory


I've lately become a convert to the utility of the Santa Claus
myth. It's not that I think the story adds much magic to my
4-year-old daughter's life, but by giving her a powerful
incentive to behave it adds magic to my own. You better watch
out, little girl, or it's coal, socks and underwear for you!

By all accounts from archaeology and anthropology, the
possibility that there has ever been a true matriarchy, a society
in which women effectively ruled, is about as likely as the
chance that an obese fellow in red pajamas can deliver presents
to some two billion children in the course of one night. Yet
despite considerable evidence that contradicts the story of a
prelapsarian gynecocracy, and a glaring lack of evidence to
support it, many people, according to Cynthia Eller, continue to
subscribe to it. As Eller lays out in the fascinating if often
depressing ''Myth of Matriarchal Prehistory,'' a sizable corps of
feminists is convinced that male dominance is a relatively recent
phenomenon and that before patriarchy grasped the globe in its
bloody talons, women were respected members of their tribes,
equal if not above men in status and influence, revered for their
capacity to give birth and nourish the young and for their innate
connectedness -- to one another, to the earth, to the men they
suffered with fond affection.

Such a tale might not be a bad thing on its own. As Sarah Blaffer
Hrdy has suggested, by helping to counter the notion that male
dominance is inevitable, and by pointing out the ways in which
patriarchy is culturally rather than biologically shaped, the
myth of prehistoric matriarchy may inspire us to seek a fairer
shake. But in the view of Eller, who has written books on the
women's spirituality movement and conscientious objectors in
World War II, the currently popular feminist versions are neither
useful nor benign. For one thing, Eller notes, most adherents of
the pro-matriarchy party line see it not as an empowering fairy
tale but as a genuine account of our past. For another, she
objects to key elements of the story, ones that I, too, find
insupportable and every bit as stifling as any patriarchal
rendering of femaleness.

As the matriarchalists see it, the lost paradise of female power
was a paradise because women are so wonderful. Who needs the
Nature Conservancy when mothers rule? Eller quotes Jane Alpert's
delineation of the qualities that inhere by nature to those who
give birth, including ''empathy, intuitiveness, adaptability,
awareness of growth as a process rather than goal-ended;
inventiveness, protective feelings toward others and a capacity
to respond emotionally as well as rationally.'' Reading such
paeans to female ''niceness'' makes one reach for Joyce Carol
Oates and her brilliant snarl, ''How can I live my life without
committing an act with a giant scissors?'' Eller describes the
extent to which popular and even academic culture has been
infected. Experts lead packaged pilgrimages to sites where
matriarchy and its goddess culture were thought to have
flourished, among them Malta, Crete, Ireland and Turkey.
Universities offer courses with titles like ''Herstory of the
Goddess,'' ''Reclaiming the Goddess'' and ''The Goddess and the
Matriarchy Controversy.''

The myth of a matriarchal prehistory is not new, nor is it always
flack copy for females. Many traditional cultures tell stories of
dark distant days when women ruled, and made a harrowing mess of
things. The matriarchy was transformed from a literary and
cautionary trope to purported history in 1861, with the
anthropologist Johann Jakob Bachofen's ''Motherright.'' Drawing
on classical Greek sources, Eller writes, ''Bachofen postulated
an era of matriarchy ending in classical times with the rise of
men and the 'male principle.' ''A century later, buoyed by the
research and theories of a few scholars, notably the
archaeologist Marija Gimbutas, feminists began to sketch out a
rough timeline. The details are usually vague, but supposedly
human societies began as matricentric, focused on the primacy of
mothers and children. Men were around and welcome, of course, but
unconcerned about virginity or chastity among the womenfolk
because they were ignorant of the role that fathers played in
reproduction anyway.

Matriarchalists pay particular attention to Europe in the Upper
Paleolithic period, beginning around 40,000 years ago, ''when
quite suddenly far more extensive archaeological remains appear,
including carved and painted images of women.'' By the Neolithic
era, some 8,000 to 4,000 years ago -- after the development of
farming but before the perfection of metallurgy -- matriarchal
culture was said to be in full glory. But then catastrophe
struck. Marauding nomads from the Russian steppes, a people
Gimbutas has named ''Kurgans,'' began invading neighboring lands,
bringing violent codes of patriarchy with them

Re: [CTRL] The Gay Youth Suicide Myth


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From: "Amelia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I have always judged the people my own children were around by their
> character, not sexual orientation.  I do not think children should be aware
> of the sexual preferences/peccadilloes/fetishes of the adults into whose
> care they are placed.  I think the subject is inappropriate for children
> period.

So you are against sex education, too?


June

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EMERGENCY IN COLOMBIA ON U'WA LAND!

*please distribute**

"We are all children of the Earth, help us to defend her."
-Berito Kuwar U'wa, spokesperson Traditional U'wa Authority

"Oil is the blood of mother earth...to take the oil is for us, worse
than killing your own mother.  If you kill the Earth, then no one will
survive"
- statement of the U'wa people

PEACEFUL U'WA PROTESTERS FACE VIOLENT EVICTION FROM THEIR HOMELANDS
TO MAKE WAY FOR OCCIDENTAL PETROLEUM'S PLANS TO DRILL!

U'WA CALL FOR SOLIDARITY ACTIONS!

AL GORE WILL PROFIT FROM THE DRILLING!  DEMAND HE TAKE ACTION TO HELP THE
U'WA!

ORGANIZE EMERGENCY PROTESTS AT YOUR NEAREST GORE 2000 OR DNC OFFICES!

FIND THE ONES NEAREST YOU AT :
http://www.algore2000.com

http://www.democrats.org/action/

BECOME AN EMERGENCY CONTACT FOR YOUR AREA! CALL PATRICK AT
RAINFOREST ACTION NETWORK!  1-800-989-RAIN  or email [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Please take the time to call, email or write and fax  Al Gore
Gore2000
601 Mainstream Dr.
Nashville, TN  37228
Phone: 615-340-2000
Fax: 202-456-2685
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]

*
Greetings friend,

You have probably heard about the struggle of the U'wa people in Colombia to
defend their culture and homelands from Occidental (Oxy) Petroleum's plans
to
drill for oil.  The U'wa (a name which means "the thinking people")grabbed
international headlines in 1996 when they vowed to commit collective suicide
rather than accept the environmental destruction and violence oil drilling
would
bring to their homeland.   Since then a growing international movement has
emerged to support their uncompromising resistance and prevented the project
from proceeding.

After 10 months of repeated blockades by thousands of U'wa, farmers,
students, workers
and representatives of other indigenouus communities, Oxy and the Colombian
military
are almost ready to begin drilling the first well.  One of the few obstacles
preventing
the drilling are the hundreds of U'wa occupying the surrounding area and
sending a clear
message to Oxy and the Colombian government.  In their own words:  "We would
rather die,
protecting everything that we hold sacred, than lose everything that makes
us U'wa."

The Colombian government granted Oxy drilling rights after much lobbying
from the Clinton
administration.  This lobbying was facilitated by Al Gore who has long term
political
and personal ties to Oxy.  These ties have been the basis of Mr. Gore's
family wealth
(his father was a VP of Oxy) and a consistent source of large campaign
contributions.
It's no surprise then that Al Gore - self-proclaimed environmentalist and
human rights
advocate - has so far refused to speak out on this issue.  Gore's silence
amounts to a
death sentence for the U'wa culture and homelands.  Wherever oil development
occurs in
Colombia it attracts violence since oil installations are one of the main
targets in Colombia's three decade old civil war.  This war, which has cost
the lives
of 25,000 people in the last decade alone, is intensifying thanks to the
Clinton
administration's recently approved $1.3 billion military aid package.
Violence has been
escalating in the U'wa's territory as the ongoing military occupation brings
guerilla attacks,
sexual assaults and intimidation by Colombian soldiers.

In the last few days the situation has reached a crisis.  The military
issued an eviction
order which they intend to serve in the next few days.  With the last
remaining U'wa
forcibly removed from the drillsite area Oxy will be able to bring the final
machinery
in and begin drilling.  The U'wa people need our solidarity now more than
ever!

Al Gore could take real action to stop this project.  He could
denounce Oxy's actions and make a statement of support for the U'wa.  He
could publicly
call upon the Colombian government to pull the troops out of the region and
support
the self-determination of the U'wa people.  The U'wa are depending on all of
us to put the
pressure on him and get him to do the right thing! Organize a demonstration,
informational
picket or non-violent direct action at your nearest Gore office.  Organize a
teach-in, phone bank or letter writing table in your community.  Bring this
issue to the
attention of your local newspaper by writing a letter to the editor or op-ed
piece for your local newspaper. (SEE SAMPLE LETTER TO THE EDITOR BELOW)

Our actions now will also be in preparation for an emergency response day of
action. Should the rights of the U'wa people be violated U'wa supporters
will call for a
emergency day of action. We can show Al Gore that he must take action on
this issue by rallying
at his campaign offices across the country within 48 hours of any action by
the military in
Colombia.

To make this final line of defense for the U'wa people possible we need
CONTACT PEOPLE in
every region - are you willing to be one?  If so contact Rainforest Action

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