[CTRL] Fwd: {slick-d} no wonder they want to void their votes!
LIke mother like daughter and like father? If I had a face like Chelsea or Chelsie Clinton, I would have ridden with that officer and gentleman who was no doubt a bodyguard in full dress for the occasion..she looks like Eleanor Roosevelt and Eleanor Roosevelt at least had a lot of class. Sweet little Chelsie note how her father takes half the army with him when he goes out - no wonder. Thank God that bunch will soon be bull dozed out of the White HouseNew York is welcome to that garbage from our shores. "During Clintons first year in office," writes (the U.S. Marines) Lt. Col. Tom McKenney in the (1994) book, "The Clinton Chronicles," "an incident occurred which was buried by the news media." "The occasion was a departure for a state function, a routine operation," Col. McKenney writes. "Vehicles were lined up outside the White House... Young Chelsea Clinton, like everyone else, was assigned a specific sedan." But when Chelsea was about to get into her limo, she turned around and declared: "I wont ride in this car! Theres a military man in here, and I dont ride with military men!" The "military man" happened to be a senior U.S. officer. Being a gentleman, however, he quietly got out of the car and found another ride. In a separate incident, Chelsea asked her young Marine security escort to wear civilian clothes in the future. "My family doesnt like military people," she explained. Where, do you suppose, the "young Chelsea" acquired such attitudes? At her home, of course. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- eGroups Sponsor -~-~ eLerts It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! http://click.egroups.com/1/9699/5/_/122670/_/975309110/ -_- THIS SPACE FOR RENT For details, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please limit your postings to this list to 3 messages in any 24 hour period.** Subscribe to SlickPlus and receive columns from some of the finest political writers on the net. Send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the words JOIN PLUS in the subject. If you're more of a reader than a writer, you may want to receive the Slick-D DIGEST instead of individual emails. Send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To remove your address, send blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] No muss, no fuss. Have a great day :=(
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Nazi Origin of U.S. Gun Control
-Caveat Lector- Thank you for the clarification of these points Damian Cooper - much appreciated. I always wondered too, during WWII 55 million people were killed and like birds, what happens to all the bodies? Were they cremated, buried, surely not left in streets for disease would spread like wildfire of - parton, controlled fire of Los Alamos. 55 million people died - of which it is alleged this mystical number of 6 milllion, were Jewish.what happened to all the bodies? At Waco, where the japanese sharpshooter alleged to be FBI out of West Point (what a laugh) who also murdered a little 8th grader, his dog, and mother, it is my understand a lot of bodies were just bulldozed over like so much garbage..send a japanese sharpshooter to do the job? Remember atrocities of Japanese during WWII of which nobody ever speaks - one case I saw, a Navy Nurse in full dress with cape and all, arms had been cut off, tongue cut out, and pregnant by Japanese soldiers.and we send one of those bastards to Ruby Ridge to murder children and even a little pet do to draw the kid out into the open. So WWII - cui bono - it seems now the only thing the jews want is all the gold in the world for themselves and reparations..what about a person such as my father who nearly died on foreign soil of mustard gas, but made it home to die...who gave the Austrian Hitler all the money to support an army. Even George Washington could not get fundinghis troops often went barefoot in the park and snow. So thank you Mr. Cooperbut does someone know where 55 million bodies were buried or were the cremated? The truth above all - and where are our Mias from Viet Nam - wonder if our Manchurian Candidate President Clinton bothered to ask as he ate and broke bread with people who beheaded the enemy and put heads on stakes. Nice people.hope George Bush does not give an inch and brings a big bull dozer .. Saba I used to like Buchanan until he took a black Vice President who was a pathological liar about her past and was about as impressive as Joe Lieberman, a born again jew. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] 1400 TROOPS DISPATCHED TO WASHINGTON DC -- WHY?
-Caveat Lector- .. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed] Note: We store 100's of related "conspiracy posts" at: http://www.msen.com/~lloyd/oldprojects/recentmail.html From: "Lloyd Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 1400 TROOPS DISPATCHED TO WASHINGTON DC -- WHY? Date: Saturday, November 25, 2000 8:05 AM Rumor Mill News Read Only Forum 1400 TROOPS DISPATCHED TO WASHINGTON DC -- WHY? Posted By: RUMOR MILL NEWS Date: Friday, 24 November 2000, 4:25 a.m. http://www.rumormillnews.com The Uncensored National Rumor 1400 TROOPS DISPATCHED TO WASHINGTON D.C. Martial Law, Riots, Revolution? What is our Government Preparing For? From RMNews: I just received an email which says that 1,400 Troops Have Been Dispached to Washington, D.C. from Fort Bragg. This is the first alert I have received about possible martial law being imposed due to riots this weekend. If you have been reading Rumor Mill you know that "riot training" from a group called "counter coup", has been going on in 144 cities across the United States for two weeks now. These "gatherings" i.e. protests have received virtually NO attention in the media, but they have openly bragged on their webpages about how well their protests have gone and how many people they have attracted. Because their webpages have bragged about their protests, Patriots from the Right have organized and gone out to meet them in the streets. These protests are too well organized to be "random." Someone who has more time than I do, needs to take a long good look at this to see if there is anything we can or should to to counter this. Here is the main webpage. http://geocities.com/countercoup You can follow the links to the Egroups webpages that have been set up by countercoup leaders in communities all around the country. Here is an interesting message from the Santa Cruz, California webpare. This is the closest protest city to RMNews Headquarters: "Sun Nov 19, 2000 7:34am Subject: Report on Town Clock Rally in Santa Cruz We were pretty much am-Bushed at this rally by Bush supporters who also chose this location for their rally. They were well organized, from places like Gilroy, Carmel Valley and Seaside. Even Santa Cruz. However outnumbered, we were there with our signs and voices. Thanks to everybody who showed up." ### Many "Patriot" Webpages put out the alert regarding the the protests that were planned by "the left" in protest of George W. Bush's winning the election. From the looks of the above message from the local Santa Cruz webpage, it appears as if "Patriots" have successfuly countered these demonstrations. If American Patriots are ready and willing to meet "man for man" and "woman for woman" the protestors from "The Left", then this country is rapidly racing toward a downhill slide into anarchy, chaos, revolution, riots, wars, Balkanization, and martial law. And if you think this isn't planned, I still have stock in bridges for sale. Rumor Mill News believes that no matter which man is crowned President, that the other side, ie, the losers, will riot, or worse. If Gore is crowned, we could see a Revolution that could pull the country apart. I have been told by sources within Texas that George W. can play hardball in this election because if he loses he really WILL pick up his ball and go home. What do I mean when I say this? Texas is the only state in the union that can take itself OUT of the Union any time it wants to. It is perfectly legal. Texas was its own country before it joined the Union It can become its own country again anytime it wants to. This is G.W.'s backup plan. Texas is big enough to be its own country. When Texas leaves the Union and becomes its own country, if Texas feels threatened from the United States, the "Texians" will join with Mexico and then there will be a real war between Mexico and the United States. But in this war, many American Patriots will be fighting WITH Mexico against what they will call, the New World Order States of America. For years now, covert members of the Bush Administration have been stock piling sophisticated weapons and storing them in Houston. How has this been accomplished? The CIA has had in place a secret "two for the price of one" weapons procurement program for years. What does this mean? It means that for every F-15 Eagle, Blackhawk helicopter or other military weapon that is made, an identical one -- including serial number -- is made. I have been told that these "extra" weapons have gone to the Underground Army. I was also told that "The Bushmen" have a large amount of these weapons. Many of these weapons were in warehouses in Houston back in 1996. I was told that they were being sent out of the country and stored where the United States government couldn't find and destroy them. I was also told that there are caves throughout Texas, and other states, where a
[CTRL] WP: GSA Won't Open Transition Office
-Caveat Lector- http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20001126/aponline221515_000.ht m GSA Won't Open Transition Office The Associated Press Sunday, Nov. 26, 2000; 10:15 p.m. EST WASHINGTON The General Services Administration will not release $5.3 million to help the next president prepare for office until the challenges to the election are resolved, a spokeswoman said Sunday. Although Florida's statewide canvassing board certified Texas Gov. George W. Bush the winner of its 25 electoral votes and, therefore, the presidency, Vice President Al Gore's plans to contest the election place the outcome in enough doubt to keep the transition office closed, spokeswoman Beth Newburger said. "As long as both sides are still going to court, and both sides say they are, we believe that the outcome remains unclear," Newburger said. As required by law, the GSA set up a transition office complete with computers and telephones and stood ready to turn over the keys and the bank account to either Bush or Gore the morning after Election Day. But the recounting and legal battles, which are now likely to intensify, kept the door locked. Newburger said GSA Administrator David J. Barram is "authorized by law to ascertain that is what the law says the apparent winner, and authorize the transfer of funds to begin the Inauguration." "As long as there is not an apparent winner, and the outcome is unclear, there's not much we can do," she said. The law does not say what criteria Barram should use. Under the Constitution, the next president will be sworn in Jan. 20, possibly leaving scant time to begin making some 6,000 appointments. Bush, speaking in Texas after the Florida certification that declared him president-elect, named a chief of staff and asked his vice presidential nominee, Dick Cheney "to work with President Clinton's administration to open a transition office in Washington. And we look forward to a constructive working relationship throughout this transition." = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Drudge: DIRECTIVE: CLINTON WHITE HOUSE ORDERS 'NO TRANSITION'
-Caveat Lector- "...the order to not allocate the cash to the Bush team did not come from GSA Administrator David J. Barram... It came from White House chief of Staff John Podesta." X DRUDGE REPORT X SUN NOV 26, 2000 23:12 ET X DIRECTIVE: CLINTON WHITE HOUSE ORDERS 'NO TRANSITION' The General Services Accounting office declared on Sunday night that it will not release $5.3 million to George W. Bush in order for him to commence a presidential transition team. GSA spokeswoman Beth Newburger addressed the press Sunday: "As long as there is not an apparent winner, and the outcome is unclear, there's not much we can do." But the order to not allocate the cash to the Bush team did not come from GSA Administrator David J. Barram, a Clinton appointee. It came from White House chief of Staff John Podesta -- on the day before Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris was to certify Florida's recounted returns! According to the WASHINGTON TIMES, Podesta issued the directive ordering the GSA and other federal agencies not to proceed with any transition activities "until the time when the election is decided." "Because of the uncertainty over election results, no president-elect has been identified to receive federal funds and assistance under the Presidential Transition Act of 1963," Podesta wrote. "Until a president-elect is clearly identified, therefore, no transition assistance as contemplated under the Transition Act is available." Developing hot... = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] NYT: Certified but Incomplete
-Caveat Lector- http://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/27/opinion/27MON1.html EDITORIAL November 27, 2000 Certified but Incomplete By hailing the certification of Florida's ballots as the last word on the presidential election and naming a transition director and chief of staff, Gov. George W. Bush reached boldly for the mantle of president-elect. Unfortunately, he is also trying to leapfrog the nation past the important pending legal challenges to that state's incompletely counted vote. In light of the events since Nov. 7, the last word ought to be delivered by the courts that will hear Vice President Al Gore's contests of the results and, more important, by a United States Supreme Court that is hearing arguments about the election at Mr. Bush's request. Both the Florida courts and the United States Supreme Court can finish their work in a little over a week. They can give Americans of both parties a higher level of confidence in the ballot count. That, in turn, would allow either Mr. Bush or Mr. Gore to take office on a sounder basis. Both candidates should be looking to the broader issue of legitimacy instead of grasping for short-term advantage. It was, of course, no surprise that Florida's secretary of state, Katherine Harris, an eager partisan who worked for the Bush campaign, would quickly certify a result that showed Mr. Bush in the lead. But it was disappointing to see the Texas Governor embrace that disputed certification and call upon Mr. Gore to drop his plan to contest the Florida results. The courts need to look at this count and tell the nation whether it represents the official end point of the election. Once the courts have spoken, the time for argument will be over. We do not think Mr. Gore has a license to litigate into the sunset. The public mood and that of Democrats in Congress dictate that the legal challenges already announced or under way probably represent the limit of the available challenges. Indeed, Mr. Gore may face a struggle to persuade the public and the Democrats in Congress to be patient for a few more days. But it is clear on the known statistics that the 537-vote margin for Mr. Bush excludes Gore votes already known to exist in Palm Beach and Miami- Dade Counties. In a speech today, Mr. Gore can be expected to push his argument that there are thousands of additional ballots that have never been fairly counted for the first time. If Ms. Harris and the other members of the Florida Election Canvassing Commission are allowed to close the books without such questions being resolved, a needless shadow will hover over the Florida totals. The Supreme Court's entry into the case essentially gives everyone involved a chance to step back from the noisy and sometimes alarming confrontations of recent weeks. In the interim, the Florida courts have ample reason to order the completion of the counts in Palm Beach and Miami-Dade Counties and to review the standards by which the canvassing boards judged dimpled ballots. Since Florida's electors need not be selected until Dec. 12, there is time for these contests of the election to be completed in a fair fashion. This is clearly not the time for Florida's restive, Republican-led Legislature to meddle with the election. The surest way to erode public trust is for the Florida Legislature and Florida's Republican governor, Jeb Bush, to try to override the decisions of the Florida courts. The United States Supreme Court can do its part to conclude this national drama on an authoritative note by allowing television coverage of the arguments before the court on Friday. The justices have a longstanding aversion to television, but they should make an exception for this case because of the need to clear up the disputed count certified in Florida last night. k= Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at:
Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Fwd: ART BELL GOING BACK ON THE AIR!]
-Caveat Lector- Gee, I'm so surprised. Not. June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] WSJ: GOP Protest in Miami-Dade Is a Well-Organized Effort
-Caveat Lector- November 27, 2000 Election 2000 GOP Protest in Miami-Dade Is a Well-Organized Effort Bush Campaign Pays Tab For Aides From Capitol Hill Flown in for Rallies By NICHOLAS KULISH and JIM VANDEHEI Staff Reporters THE WALL STREET JOURNAL MIAMI -- When outraged Republicans raised a ruckus outside the Miami-Dade County elections office last week, some protesters at the door weren't local citizens. They were Capitol Hill aides on all-expenses paid trips, courtesy of the Bush campaign. Right up front on television images of the event last Wednesday were Thomas Pyle, an aide to GOP Rep. Tom DeLay, and Michael Murphy, who works for a DeLay fund-raising committee. Doug Heye from California Rep. Richard Pombo's office also was in the fray. Shortly after the door-kicking, window-banging protest, the Miami-Dade canvassing board made a sharp U-turn, suspending a recount that was expected to help Vice President Al Gore chip away at Texas Gov. George W. Bush's lead. Mr. Gore's inability to secure these votes was a key to Mr. Bush's certification as the Florida winner Sunday night. Miami-Dade canvassing-board members, while denying that the crowd cowed them, decided they couldn't complete the count by Sunday's 5 p.m. deadline without using a room that the protesters complained limited public access. Their work in Miami done, the Republicans headed to Broward County, where they joined a platoon that included about 20 other congressional staffers, who had watched the Miami-Dade commotion on CNN and wildly cheered their compatriots' televised antics. The protests grew in Fort Lauderdale, with hundreds of placard-wielding Republicans protesting the recount for several days. Sunday, some of these same staffers were involved in a confrontation with Democrats, including the Rev. Al Sharpton, in West Palm Beach. Tensions heightened momentarily as Democratic volunteers squeezed through the mob of GOP protesters to gather their campaign signs, but cooler heads prevailed. Behind the rowdy rallies in South Florida this past weekend was a well-organized effort by Republican operatives to entice supporters to South Florida. The protests drew angry denunciations from top Democrats, with several congressmen requesting a Justice Department inquiry. Vice-presidential candidate Joe Lieberman said the "orchestrated demonstrations ... were clearly designed to intimidate and to prevent a simple count of votes from going forward." Bush operatives deny trying to intimidate. But they readily acknowledge that shortly after Election Day they began recruiting Republicans nationwide to come to the three predominantly Democratic South Florida counties then considering manual recounts. The biggest contingent appears to have hailed from within the marbled walls of the Capitol complex in Washington. "Because we were heavily outnumbered in these counties, we called people from around the country," says Terry Holt, a communications director with the Republican National Committee. Democrats "may not need volunteers," he quips. "They've got judges" on local election canvassing boards. Democrats have organizers down here, too, and they were the first to hit the streets. The Rev. Jesse Jackson flew to West Palm Beach shortly after the election to lead a protest against the confusing "butterfly ballot," prompting conservative commentator Mary Matalin to dub attendees "rent-a-rioters." Democrats say they haven't flown staffers or operatives down to Florida to protest, and there is no evidence to suggest otherwise. This has allowed Republicans to quickly gain the upper-hand, protest-wise. In Washington, several GOP aides say the office of Mr. DeLay, the House Republican whip, took charge of the effort on Capitol Hill, passing on an offer many staffers couldn't refuse: free air fare, accommodations and food in the Sunshine State -- all paid for by the Bush campaign. Aides who accepted took advantage of liberal congressional workplace rules that allow them to jump from government jobs to political tasks at a moment's notice by declaring themselves on vacation or temporary leave. "Once word leaked out, everybody wanted in," says one GOP operative involved in the effort. Participants estimate that more than 200 staffers signed on, some spending more than a week in South Florida. Many stayed in Hiltons by the beach and received $30 a day for food, as well as an invitation to an exclusive Thanksgiving Day party in Fort Lauderdale. "They needed help down there," says GOP Rep. Roy Blunt of Missouri. "A lot of people in Washington wanted to be a part of that." He adds that the collaboration has fostered a new sense of unity between congressional Republicans and Mr. Bush, who often ignored Washington Republicans during the campaign to bolster his outsider image. "The unfairness of [the Democrats' recount] effort has really brought Republicans together," the congressman said. The camaraderie was on full display at the
Re: [CTRL] Re: [CTRL] Embarrassed? Angry? Agai n,
-Caveat Lector- Would a moderator PLEASE step in and get this off-topic trash off the list? Thank you. --- Vera Harper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Colleen, snip the garbage __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] NYP: Bush's Supreme Error
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/26/2000 6:53:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thus, if Bush is thwarted by the court, no matter what its reasoning, many will believe that the final word has been spoken from Mt. Sinai, and that to continue the mudfight with Gore would be blasphemous. And since seven of the nine justices were appointed by Republican presidents, Bush will be not able to blame partisan bias. Dubya has nothing to fear here. The Supreme Court will grant him anything he asks for. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mob Rule Wins For W
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/25/2000 4:35:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The protestors carried anti-Gore signs, including one that read: "Rotten to the Gore." The demonstration then turned violent as the canvassing board sought to go into closed session to begin examining the ballots. Dade County's Democratic chairman, Joe Geller, was chased by the crowd and required police protection. The mob also charged the offices of the supervisor of elections and began pounding on the doors. Several people were roughed up before sheriff deputies blocked the demonstrators' path and restored some order. The shaken three-member canvassing board promptly reversed its decision to count the ballots that many observers believed contained a large number of uncounted votes for Vice President Al Gore. Did anyone else notice that there weren't any Slade Gorton type cops grabbing the demonstrators and wiping pepper spray into their eyes. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: florida election
Kris A great opportunity ahead, between now and 2004 and which can be exploited for the third parties. and independents l. Reps and Dems together represent ONLY half the US...and have shown themselves to be no more than predators fighting over the spoils of politcal victory 2. Bush and Gore can destroy each other in the fight for power.good. 3. The danger is that this high level squabble can be used to set up a cry for "reform" in the election system."Reform" can be used to install a computerised system that can be more easily manipulated... 4. tHE confusionIt will make it more difficult but not impossible for NEW WORLD ORDER promoters 5. We defintely have to get away from the Hegelian trap of "Left" and "Right". The battle has become" us" ie we the people versus "them" ie the statist controlers RECOMMENDED READING Lysander SpoonerThe right to ignore the State I reissued this maybe 30 years ago and sold thousands. Time for another re-issue. ANTONY SUTTON DISTRIBUTION AS YOU WISH
[CTRL] Fwd: Pedophile Rings the Snuff Film Industry
Guardian When sex abuse can lead to murder Award-winning journalist Nick Davies concludes a series looking at the evils of paedophilia by confronting the grim mysteries of snuff movies. Today: The Amsterdam connection Monday November 27, 2000 A year after Bristol detectives finally started to unravel the ring of paedophiles who had been abusing children there for up to 20 years, they found an informant with an alarming story. The man, whom we will call Terry, had a long history of sexually abusing boys. He did not come from Bristol but, by chance, he had come across some of the paedophiles the detectives were investigating - in Amsterdam, where he said they had become involved with a group of exiled British child abusers who had succeeded in commercialising their sexual obsession. The exiled paedophiles were trafficking boys from other countries; running legitimate gay brothels and selling under-aged boys "under the counter"; they had branched out into the production of child pornography. And they had killed some of them. One boy had simply been shot through the head, Terry said: he had been causing trouble and had been executed in front of several pae dophiles. Another, he believed, had been thrown into one of the canals. But the one about whom he spoke the most was a boy who had been tortured and killed in the most painful fashion in the course of producing a pornographic video. Terry said he had seen most of the video himself and had vomited before he could reach the end. The few detectives who specialise in the investigation of child abuse invariably say the same thing about "snuff" movies: they have often heard of them, sometimes pursued them but never found one. The videos remain one of the great unsolved mysteries of the burgeoning underworld of international sexual exploitation. Twice told tale Terry's account was so hideous as to invite disbelief. It was clearly possible that he was inventing the story in an attempt to curry favour with the detectives as they turned over Bristol's paedophile subculture. And yet the detectives discovered that the allegation had been made before. Not just once but repeatedly, evidence had come to the attention of police in England and the Netherlands, that, for pleasure and profit, some of the exiled paedophiles in Amsterdam had mur dered boys in front of the camera. Some of the evidence had been pursued. Some of it had been ignored. None of it had led to a murder charge. For a short while, the Bristol detectives thought they might be able to make progress in tracking down the truth; but when two of them flew to Amsterdam in the autumn of 1998 to pass on their information to Dutch officers, they hit a wall. Terry had described the flat in Amsterdam where he had seen the video; he had named the owner of the flat who was, by implication, also owner of the video; he had provided the name of the man who carried out the killing; he had described events on the video in detail; he had provided the approximate age and the first name of the dead boy. Dutch police said it was not enough: without the full name of a victim, they would not begin an investigation. Having fought their way through the swamp of inertia which surrounds British policing and prosecution of child abuse, the Bristol detectives had now hit the deeper swamp of virtual paralysis that afflicts its international policing. Within their own jurisdictions, there are now specialist paedophilia detectives - for example, in London and Amsterdam - who will work relentlessly to lock up predatory child abusers. But when they try to move abroad, the potentially powerful machine starts to misfire. The result is that there is now a flourishing underground trade in boys who are being exported from the economic chaos of eastern Europe, as well as from the streets of London, to be put to work in the sex industry of western Europe. And no effective police operation to deal with it. Predatory paedophiles cross whatever borders they like in order to pursue their obsessions; the police who might follow them are almost always trapped within their own narrow jurisdictions, partly by differences in law and procedure, partly because they lack the manpower and money to work internationally. There is an exception to this rule of parochialism, in the highly funded war against drugs, but in the perverse world of modern policing, the trafficking, rape and alleged murder of children has a far lower priority. We have uncovered an international paedophile ring whose roots spring from Amsterdam, where, in the late 1980s, a group of British paedophiles set up a colony, exploiting the freedom of the city's gay community as cover to make a business of their fantasies. Legal front One of the first to do so was Alan Williams, the "Welsh Witch", who already had a vicious history of abusing boys in south Wales. Williams arrived in Amsterdam in 1988, aged 21, and soon set himself up as the manager of a gay brothel called Boys Club 21 at
[CTRL] FEATURE: World War AIDS Day Dec. 1, 2000
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FEATURE STORY WORLD WAR AIDS DAY DECEMBER 1, 2000
Submitted by: Joel Bales 11.27.00 08:58 AM
BOYD ED GRAVES: PORTRAIT OF AN AMERICAN HERO
By Joel Bales [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It was Veteran's Day 2000, four days after the American
Presidential election, and history was still on hold.
Newspaper headlines reminded all of a divided and
hypnotized country with the peculiarities of a presidential
election in limbo. Yet no headline of the Sixth Circuit's historic
election day order regarding Boyd Ed Graves, and his petition
against the President of the United Sates was to be found.
In less than two hours I would be in Cleveland Ohio,
interviewing AIDS activist, civil rights leader, American
Veteran and history maker, Boyd Ed Graves, J.D. I was
about to interview a man who made history as the first
African American Navy Officer ever to be included
in a Navy recruitment poster, a man who had been
inside the Whitehouse of several administrations,
an ADA specialist championing the rights of the
disabled, and today the world's ultimate
AIDS activist.
I was a white man preparing to tell a black man's
story; ready to meet the man who shook the
international scientific and medical communities
in 1999 with his discoveries of the "Special Virus"
research logic flow chart and then sued the Pentagon
and the President of The United States. He has been
demanding immediate Congressional review,
deactivation, and an apology for the "Special Virus"
for over two years. Needless to say, I was excited
preparing to meet a man of such tenacity and genius.
His case alleges and the evidence he has conclusively
proves the United States via the ultra-secret
"Special Virus Program" initiated as early as
1957, "created", "produced," and "proliferated"
the AIDS virus in accordance with 'controversial
population control' policies set into law by the
Nixon administration, in particular,
Public Law 91-213.
After over two years in the federal court system,
the Sixth Circuit issued a historic Election Day
order November 7, 2000. The court ordered Graves'
case and the true origin of AIDS - "frivolous."
Graves was called 'delusional.' The court was
wrong, and as Ed would politely point out,
in constitutional violation.
Once again, history was made in Cleveland,
while the nation's eyes were tuned to electoral
inequities in Florida. For eight months, Graves
stated the court was unconstitutionally holding
the decision in the case until election day.
Again, the evidence proved he was correct.
I awed at the magnitude of this Veteran's Day
journey thick with symbolism; a journey which
would lead to the most inspiring interview of my
career and to the most important mission of my life.
I set for the back of the plane finding a seat near the rear.
The flight was near empty. I consider the back of a plane
safer than the front, and I chose to keep my safety factors
in check. A friendly man sitting in the backmost seat shared
his newspaper. He was headed to the game. He was an athlete,
an executive, a family man, and African American.
I explained I was set to meet and interview African American
legend and American hero, Boyd Ed Graves, J.D. His friends
call him Ed. The man listened intent as I explained, but admitted
he had never heard of Boyd Ed Graves, nor of his case against
the President of the United States.
I detailed the evidence in his case, the laboratory contracts,
scientific papers, and government policies proving what Graves'
says is true: the "Special Virus" IS AIDS and it was not only
created in a laboratory by man, but by men working for our
United States government in search of the ultimate ethnic
weapon, a genetic mechanism designed to facilitate racist
'social engineering' policies of a nation consumed by fear and
prejudice of the 60's.
Several months prior, Graves asked me to research Public Law
91-213 signed by then President Nixon. I did. It was part of
his case and the law establishing a controversial international
"population stabilization" program dedicated to maintaining
'adequate life' for the world's populations, including plans
for `controlling` population growth in the third world.
This law, especially within the context of other U.S.
sponsored policies on black Africa, raised
disturbing questions and horrific realizations as
to personal prejudices of our national leaders.
The detrimental effects of these policies on
the health of the world are . . . . I paused. . .
I must sound crazy . . . I took a breath.
. . . I said.
"By every definition of the
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: florida election
-Caveat Lector- I like this Chris for the NWO through Cronkite and the likes of his CFR/NWO would give you a choice - extreme right or extreme left when each side is as bad as the other.in 1960 the CFR took over Democrat Party - part of the game plan now, for it is the 60 period all over again would be to Assassinate Bush and remove Cheney then - the 3 Presidents - and who would the third man be - a radial extremist so far to the right he is on the left for everything is a circle and everything old is new again. The pattern begins..I like Baby Bush because of his comment re No US Soldier would ever wear a UN Uniform - it was then I decided to really vote for Bush. ALSO NO DUAL CITIZENSHIP PRESIDENTS OR VICE PRESIDENTS.you see Clinton obviously holds allegiance to someone, but it sure is not this country or to our flag. Check these guys out - they are all timed to go off and out together. So goodbye Ehud Brug aka Barak, goodbye Clinton and Gore, I hope, goodbye Sharon, Arafat, and NWO - well NWO keeps coming back like a song or a bad "pennie" doesn't it.changes it name, but NWO same as Old World Order. The name of the game is steal natural resources - it is not what it on the land but under the land.ever wonder why Africa is so poor and dying of AIDS and where all those crown jewells - from whence did they come?\ Am taking up collection for Saradan, Streisand, Baldwin and Goldberg and Sheen to be sure they leave the country - we will notify Osama of their departure. Saba A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] WSJ: GOP Protest in Miami-Dade Is a Well-Organized Effort
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/27/00 7:33:55 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Once word leaked out, everybody wanted in," says one GOP operative involved in the effort. Participants estimate that more than 200 staffers signed on, some spending more than a week in South Florida. Many stayed in Hiltons by the beach and received $30 a day for food, as well as an invitation to an exclusive Thanksgiving Day party in Fort Lauderdale. That makes me SO angry! Our tax dollars funding these cretins to overturn an election! Samantha A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Consortium - W's Triumph of the Will
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.consortiumnews.com/112700a.html Click Here: A HREF="http://www.consortiumnews.com/112700a.html"The Consortium/A - November 27, 2000 W's Triumph of the Will By Robert Parry George W. Bush has claimed the mantle of president of the United States after one of the most brazen and effective power grabs in political history. The loser of the national popular vote by about 337,000 votes and apparently not even the favorite of the six million Floridians who went to the polls, Bush assured his victory by deploying Republican foot soldiers to Florida and revving up the powerful conservative propaganda machine across the country. Barring an unlikely court ruling in the weeks ahead, the result of Bush's bare-knuckle strategy appears to be that the will of the American voters has been overturned for the first time in 112 years. The first popular-vote loser since Benjamin Harrison will ascend to the presidency. In Bush's victory, the Republican Party also cast aside any remaining shreds of the notion that logical consistency has any place in modern politics. Before the election, for instance, the Bush team feared that Vice President Al Gore would win the majority of the Electoral College while losing the popular vote to Bush. In such an eventuality, the Republicans had prepared a national strategy that would have relied on talk radio and conservative pundits to demand that Gore step aside and accept the popular will. The Electoral College was to be denounced as an anti-democratic "relic" and Bush hailed as the choice of the people. When it became clear that Bush would lose the popular vote but was in a position to claim Florida's 25 electoral votes and thus the Electoral College, the political strategy turned on a dime. The popular vote became an irrelevance and the Electoral College a revered institution of the Republic. In the days since the election, the conservative media apparatus worked to create an atmosphere of inevitability and entitlement. Republican operatives insisted that Bush be declared the winner because he led in Florida, though by only a narrow margin and despite widespread complaints of irregularities. Thousands of mostly elderly residents of Palm Beach apparently 10,000 or more had tried to vote for Gore, but were confused by an improperly designed ballot. These citizens accidentally voted for Reform Party candidate Patrick Buchanan or punched two holes in trying to correct their ballots. Bush supporters ridiculed them as morons who had disenfranchised themselves. In other parts of Florida, African-American voters complained of receiving ballots already punched for Bush or of being turned away from polling places. Bush supporters complained when Jesse Jackson and other black leaders joined local people for protests. Meanwhile, in Seminole County, evidence emerged that voting officials had granted special opportunities for Republicans to correct data on absentee ballots, while flawed absentee ballots from regular citizens and Democrats were thrown away. Republican Party workers were allowed to work out of Seminole County offices for as long as 10 days, without supervision in rooms housing the county's computer database of voters. Sandra Goard, the county election supervisor, said she did not even know the identity of one of the two men given access to the absentee ballots and the computer rooms. Goard made her admissions in a sworn deposition, according to The New York Times. [Nov. 26, 2000] In Seminole County, absentee ballots gave Bush about a 5,000-vote margin over Gore. In the days after the Nov. 7 election, the Bush campaign insisted that the machine count should be respected as the most accurate. But a statewide machine recount saw Bush's lead slip from 1,784 to 327, a margin that ironically included at least 418 hand-recounted votes for Bush from mostly Republican counties. The machines also kicked out tens of thousands of ballots because the choice for president had not been completely punched through. Gore's campaign exercised a provision of Florida law similar to laws in other states, including Texas that permitted a hand recount. The Bush forces immediately denounced a hand recount in three counties Dade, Palm Beach and Broward as unfair and unconstitutional. They also rejected Gore's offer for a statewide hand recount. Republican court actions and administrative orders from the Republican Secretary of State Katherine Harris caused delays in pressing ahead. Building Support Around the country, meanwhile, the conservative media apparatus, led by talk show host Rush Limbaugh and pro-Bush pundits, rallied the faithful with charges that a hand recount was fraudulent and amounted to "inventing" votes. Given the size of the three counties and the legal challenges, the hand recounts were barely started when Harris certified the machine recount as the official tally at a Nov. 14 deadline for the counties to submit
[CTRL] Fwd: Desperately Seeking A Deal
___ __ / |/ / /___/ / /_ //M I D - E A S T R E A L I T I E S / /|_/ / /_/_ / /\\ Making Sense of the Middle East /_/ /_/ /___/ /_/ \\ http://www.MiddleEast.Org News, Information, Analysis That Governments, Interest Groups, and the Corporate Media Don't Want You To Know! * * * * * * * IF YOU DON'T GET MER, YOU JUST DON'T GET IT! To receive MER regularly email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] DESPERATELY SEEKING A NEW DEAL MID-EAST REALITIES - www.MiddleEast.Org - Washington - 11/27: Ehud Barak and the Labor Party are getting even more desperate to retain power in Israel. This week an effort in the Knesset will be made to bring Barak down after just two convulsive years as Prime Minister. That is why lightning "diplomacy" is underway trying to provide Yasser Arafat a smokescreen behind which he can reenter the Oslo/Camp David framework and even at this late date declare a "Palestinian State" a la Barak's parameters, however deceptive, constrained and controlled that "State" would be. And this is what all the current talk about "international observers" is about and why so many of the most senior people on all sides are desperately running from Jerusalem to Gaza, to Moscow and Cairo, to Amman and New York, and of course in the end to Washington. Much of what is currently being planned and plotted by those at the top is not the kind of thing that subordinates can do, not the kind of thing that can be put down paper. The deals, the "incentives", and the threats need to be made and delivered at the highest levels. The masks need to be tried on face to face. Neither Barak nor Clinton intend to go out quietly. Clinton is dominated by concerns over his legacy, as well as his wife's likely bid for the White House in just a few years. Barak and those around him are desperate not to lose power again to the Likud and not to find their political rivals making historic deals without them, as did Begin at the original Camp David. And Arafat too is more desperate than ever -- he knows how fragile his own hold on power and even legitimacy has become; and he knows how much he has let his own future, and that of his people, be determined by decisions soon to be taken in Jerusalem and Washington. So they all desperately need some kind of a deal now...read on: ISRAEL'S RIGHT WING EYES COMEBACK By Howard Goller JERUSALEM, Nov 24 (Reuters) - Buoyed by a growing public perception that Prime Minister Ehud Barak has failed both at politics and peacemaking, Israel's right wing is hoping for a comeback 18 months after his landslide election victory. Barak's grasp on barely a quarter of the seats in parliament and his dismal standing in opinion polls have improved the electoral chances of leading hawk Ariel Sharon and Benjamin Netanyahu, the rightist prime minister Barak ousted in May 1999, analysts said. Accused of responding equivocally to two months of Palestinian revolt, perceived as insensitive to large blocs of Israeli society and regarded as a poor administrator, the Labour Party's Barak has boosted the morale of Israel's right. Given the fading prospects for a Palestinian peace treaty that Barak aimed to make the showpiece of his term in office, analysts say the best he can hope for is a ruling partnership with Sharon, who heads the rightist Likud party. With a month-long "safety net" from the ultra-Orthodox Shas party running out and no sign that Barak and Sharon can come to terms for forging a joint coalition, the likeliest alternative is early elections, perhaps between April and June. The first of three readings of a bill to call early elections could take place in parliament on Tuesday, boosting the comeback hopes of the vanquished Netanyahu, the frontrunner in all opinion polls. "I am certain we will go for an early election and my assessment is that we will come to it in April-May because no matter how you look at it, Mr Barak is finished," said Shimon Shiffer, veteran diplomatic correspondent for Yedioth Ahronoth, Israel's largest newspaper. Publicly, Barak's aides appeal to President Yasser Arafat to return to the negotiating table abandoned with the outbreak of the Palestinian uprising in late September. But privately they hold out little hope that talks will resume. BARAK NEEDS A DEAL The conventional wisdom is that Barak could beat all comers in the next election if he runs with a conflict-ending peace deal to his credit. Anything short of that will deny him victory, the reasoning goes. "His only chance of survival is to come to an agreement with Arafat, and then he can initiate an early election and go to the public and say, 'Look, you suffered from my way of conducting myself. But here at least you have peace with the Palestinians, an end to the conflict'," Shiffer said. Opinion polls show Netanyahu,
[CTRL] Russia Sends Hundreds Of Missiles To Iran
-Caveat Lector- Russia Sends Hundreds Of Missiles To Iran http://www.menewsline.com/headline9.html 11-25-00 MOSCOW (MENL) - Russia has dismissed the threat of additional U.S.sanctions on its companies linked to Iranian missile and nonconventional programs amid plans to export hundreds of missiles to Teheran. The Israeli Yediot Aharonot daily reported on Friday that Russia plans to send 325 shoulder-fired SA-16 anti-aircraft missiles to Iran. The SA-16 is regarded as the most effective missile deployed in the former East Bloc and Israeli sources fear that they will be transported to the Hizbullah in Lebanon. The shipment is part of a deal to export 700 SA-16 missiles to Iran as part of a $1.75 billion contract. Yediot quoted U.S. sources as saying hundreds of missiles have been placed on a Russian train and ship for Iran. Russian officials said Moscow would not allow the United States or any other country to dictate its policy. ... Moscow has informed the United States that it will withdraw from a 1995 understanding that would end arms sales to Iran. The termination of the agreement takes effect on Dec. 1. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Peruvian ex-president says he made decision to resign suddenly
-Caveat Lector- Peruvian ex-president says he made decision to resign suddenly By JOSEPH COLEMAN The Associated Press 11/27/00 11:43 AM TOKYO (AP) -- Alberto Fujimori had a busy, but hardly unusual, schedule the last time he left Peru: fly to Brunei for an economic summit, then a brief stopover in Tokyo on his way to Panama. But that plan took a sudden twist in Japan. Instead of leaving, he holed up in a Tokyo hotel, claiming to have a bad cold. Days later, he announced his resignation as president of Peru. He is now the guest of one of Japan's best-known novelists. And though he says he expects to be in Japan for an extended stay, he has not ruled out returning to Peru someday. "I don't know exactly what will be my political future," he told The Associated Press in an interview Monday. He added, however, that he believes he'll be vindicated. Despite the conspiracy theories back home, Fujimori said his decision to relinquish the presidency and make an extended stay in his ancestral homeland came on the spur of the moment. "I made the decision in Japan, all of a sudden," he said in a 30-minute talk in a Tokyo hotel room. "I didn't have it planned at all." Fujimori was vague about why, saying only that he received "additional reports" from Peru that encouraged him to stay put. Whatever the reasons, the move has made Fujimori Japan's most closely watched -- and enigmatic -- national house guest. Questions surround the former autocrat, who arrived in Japan on Nov. 17. Speculation is rampant that he may attempt to take Japanese citizenship if he does not, as some say, have it already -- to avoid returning to face any legal problems in Peru. Fujimori said he was registered with the Japanese consulate in Peru when he was born, but the Japanese Foreign Ministry says it is unclear whether that entitles him to Japanese citizenship. Then there is the question of whether he would ever try to make a comeback in Lima. He said Monday he is "reconsidering" a bid for the Peruvian Congres s. An eventual return to public life is not out of the question, he said. "We cannot say that this is the end of an era," Fujimori said. "I think that the so-called `Fujimori-ism' will continue in some way or another." But a triumphant return to Peru is unlikely any time soon. The Peruvian Congress ignored Fujimori's resignation -- issued from Japan -- and dismissed him last week instead, declaring him morally unfit to govern. A special prosecutor is planning to investigate him for possible money laundering, corruption of public officials and illicit enrichment. Fujimori, who spent 10 years in office, blamed his former master spy, Vladimiro Montesinos, for his current political problems and the corruption allegations. "I have no doubt that this is the network of Montesinos," he said, repeating his denial that he has illicit money hidden in bank accounts outside Peru. He said his conscience was "tranquil and clean." How would he like to be remembered? "As a decisive president who took actions in favor of the people of Peru," he said. "As a president who took the bull by the horns." Copyright 2000 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Hyundai manager in Colombia kidnapped
-Caveat Lector- Hyundai manager in Colombia kidnapped The Associated Press 11/26/00 5:56 PM BOGOTA, Colombia (AP) -- Gunmen abducted the Colombian manager of Hyundai Corp., the Korean car and truck maker, from his weekend retreat outside Bogota, police said Sunday. Lazaro Montes was grabbed Saturday night from a farmhouse in the town of Silvania, 40 miles from the capital, said National Police anti-kidnapping chief Col. Leonardo Gallego. Gallego said it was unclear whether leftist guerrillas or common criminal gangs were involved. He said no ransom demand had been made. Efforts to reach Hyundai's offices in Colombia on Sunday for comment were unsuccessful. Guerrillas and common criminals are responsible for most of the roughly 3,000 abductions committed annually in Colombia, which has the world's highest kidnapping rate. The rebels use the ransoms to finance a 36-year war against the government. Multinational businesses operating in the South American country often take out kidnapping insurance on their top executives. Copyright 2000 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Republican right prepares for violence
-Caveat Lector- Do you really believe that? Just wishful thinking. A world without Democrats or Republicans is sweet to imagine. But of course, they all work for the same corporations. This so called battle for the presidency is a totally contrived. It's nothing but a show on TV. No matter who becomes president, the same plotocrats still call the shots. Besides, Hitler and Mussolini were less alike than Gush and Bore. The big question is why the powers that be are putting on this show. Are they trying to convince the more than half of us who don't vote that voting actually matters or are they distracting us from something else they are up to that they don't want us paying attention to? Hope for the best but plan for the worst. A HREF!ttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ÝÝÝCTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ÝÝÝÚrchives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF!ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF!ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A o subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] JW: JW TO BEGIN FLORIDA RECOUNT TODAY IN PALM BEACH
-Caveat Lector- FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE November 27, 2000 Contact: Press Office (202) 646-5172 JUDICIAL WATCH TO BEGIN FLORIDA RECOUNT TODAY IN PALM BEACH Court Orders Access for Judicial Watch To Palm Beach Ballots Accounting Firm to Oversee Judicial Watch Counts Over 400 Judicial Watch Volunteers to Count Ballots Throughout Florida (Miami, FL) Judicial Watch will begin counting disputed ballots from the presidential election in Palm Beach today. Circuit Court Judge Jorge La Barga ordered Palm Beach to give access to Judicial Watch under Florida state law, which allows citizens to inspect ballots. Johnson Lambert Co., a public accounting firm with expertise both in counting ballots and in fraud, will oversee the Judicial Watch effort. Over 400 citizens from across the country have volunteered to help Judicial Watch count the disputed and other ballots, such as absentee military ballots. Judicial Watch plans to conduct an independent analysis of disputed and other ballots throughout the entire state of Florida. It is important that an independent group, non-partisan in nature, provide certified numbers for the American people. The last few weeks have shown that one cant trust partisans on the ground to count the votes, stated Judicial Watch Chairman and General Counsel Larry Klayman. Where feasible, Judicial Watch will also use statistical and accounting techniques to test the accuracy of the machine counts. Even there was official certification of George W. Bush as the winner of Floridas electoral votes, Al Gore will contest this election. In this unusual circumstance, it becomes all the more necessary to have an independent, non-partisan count. Judicial Watch will make its recount results available to the American public, the courts, and others who require an independent measure of the voting in Florida, stated Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. ### k= Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] It Does matter
-Caveat Lector- From http://www.lewrockwell.com/callahan/callahan27.html Linques embedded at site, one of which's text is proved below. AER }}Begin It Does Matter by Gene Callahan I was wrong. Now, don't get worried I recall this happening once before, and I recovered from it quite nicely then. But the Democratic Party has accomplished an amazing feat over the last 18 days. They have convinced me that I was thoroughly mistaken when I said it didn't really matter which party won the presidential race. It matters. It matters, as Anne Coulter eloquently put it, because the Democrats are "lying thieves." And it is no accident that the lying thieves are concentrated in the Democratic Party. As Lew Rockwell says, "Expansive government divides society into two castes, those who give up their money to the State and those who take money from the State." The first group is composed of the productive members of society, those who can make their living through voluntary exchanges that benefit both parties involved. The second group consists of thieves and parasites. The Democratic Party core of support comes from just a few groups, such as union workers, especially government union workers, trial lawyers, and those who receive government assistance. These groups have something in common they all rely on the threat of government violence for their sustenance. In other words, the Democratic Party is the party of the thieves and parasites. Now it is true that there are good people in government positions. There are teachers who really try to teach and earn their paychecks. There are cops who are trying to uphold the rule of law. There are military personnel who sincerely love the country and want to help defend it. There are garbage men who do their best picking up the trash. There is even, believe it or not, a Congressman who is trying to uphold the Constitution! But the number of government employees that is just milking the system dwarfs the number of productive people in government. There is another group, more obscure, but more important to the functioning of the Democratic Party than those mentioned above. I'll call them the immune-system-suppressers for the parasites. They live in the media, the universities, and the political class. Their role is to quiet the fears of the productive, to lull them to sleep, to convince sub-groups of productive people that their interests diverge from those of other productive people, and align with those of the parasites. The reward for this service is to gain a place at the head of the legions of parasites, to get the first, freshest blood drawn from the host. It must be the sincere hope of those of this class that the host is quite healthy, and that the parasitism can continue at least as long as they are alive. Most of this latter class is completely cynical. They are educated enough to understand that the economics of the Democratic Party, of state intervention, must eventually lead to collapse, as the productive host is sucked dry. However, in the meantime, they get to live high on the hog. They can feed their egos by making important pronouncements on the Sunday morning talk shows. The whole host of parasites regards them as heroes, and never resents the high salaries that they draw. But these people know that they are just respectable thieves. Because of this, they will do anything to retain their grip on power and prevent their own exposure. If the meaning of the word 'is' can be changed to suit their purposes, grand! If they can shrug off crimes with a phrase like "no controlling legal authority," then use it! If an opponent can be smeared by somehow implying that he might as well have been at the wheel of the pickup truck that dragged James Byrd, well, so be it. Perhaps some innocent people in some obscure country, like, say, Iraq, Sudan or Kosovo, have to die so that these thieves can maintain power. Well, they weren't voters anyway, now, were they? Perhaps
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Nazi Origin of U.S. Gun Control
-Caveat Lector- The Nazi origin of gun control is a right wing myth. There is nothing historical about it. Only Jews were forbidden to have guns. Care to cite us a source on that? A HREF!ttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ÝÝÝCTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ÝÝÝÚrchives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF!ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF!ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A o subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Report: KGB ordered Swiss explosion to distract attention from Chernobyl
-Caveat Lector- Report: KGB ordered Swiss explosion to distract attention from Chernobyl http://www.vny.com/cf/News/upidetail.cfm?QID=137706 Tuesday, 21 November 2000 3:06 (ET) LONDON, Nov. 21 (UPI) - Members of a special Stasi unit caused the 1986 blaze at the Sandoz pharmaceuticals storage site in Switzerland, one of the worst pollution disasters of modern times, The Times of London reported Tuesday. The report said the operation, ordered by the KGB, was intended to distract world attention from the Chernobyl meltdown six months earlier in Ukraine. Vincent Cannistraro, a former senior CIA officer, told Germany's state television network, ZDF, of the alleged connection. "The Stasi worked on a commission for the KGB. They used the catastrophe contingency plan prepared by a Zurich insurance company which conducted an inspection of the Sandoz works," he said. "In the plan, it was described in detail what would happen if a fire broke out in certain halls." Cannistraro said his information came from a KGB official in Moscow. A special Stasi unit known as AGMS (Working Group for Ministerial Special Problems) was put on the job, according to the Times report. Thomas Auerbach, a Stasi archives researcher on AGMS activities, confirmed the report: Stasi expertise in explosives sabotage was well known in intelligence circles. The Sandoz blaze swept through the giant storage halls of the company site, requiring thousands of gallons of water to finally extinguish the flames. As a result, tons of dangerous chemicals and poisonous mercury flowed into the Rhine, killing millions of fish. More than 150,000 dead eels surfaced five days after the explosion and the Rhine became known as the River of Death. It took almost a decade for the Rhine to recover and the precise cause of the fire was never established. -- Copyright 2000 by United Press International. All rights reserved. -- === A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: THIS IS HOW SERB CHILDREN GO TO SCHOOL IN KOSOVO
THIS IS HOW SERB CHILDREN GO TO SCHOOL IN KOSOVO Spanish soldiers escort Serb children on their way to school toensure safe movement through Albanian areasEven children are not spared in a systematic campaign of Albanian criminals against Serbs.
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Nazi Origin of U.S. Gun Control
-Caveat Lector- Other Jews served in the Armed forces of the Third Reich, even up to the rank of Field Marshall. Come again? You're not talking about Milch, are you? A HREF!ttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ÝÝÝCTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ÝÝÝÚrchives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF!ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF!ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A o subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] It Does matter
-Caveat Lector- the Democrats are "lying thieves." So are the Republicans. Or maybe you've forgotten Watergate, Iran/Contra, and the Savings and Loan debacle. A HREF!ttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ÝÝÝCTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ÝÝÝÚrchives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF!ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF!ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A o subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Russia Sends Hundreds Of Missiles To Iran
-Caveat Lector- Their lips speak peace, but there is war on their agenda. What will Israel expect - the American Calvary will come to the rescue? No waynot even the UN will touch that one for there are those who want to see all the people in the Holy Land killed off - and then guess who will move in and take the oil. They would do well to remember Sadam Hussein and arab countries with all the oil fields wired and ready to blow if Israelies or Zionists ever attempt to take that, which isn ot theirs. So God gave that oil to Ismael did he not? Gideon took the earrings from the dead Ishmalites and now they want their oil too? It is written that Gideon was a coward, and I agree - but then it was Ehud Barak aka Brug who dressed like a woman with a purse, purse filled with dynamite, who murdered a few innocents after ILLEGALLY entering Lebanon. Sands of time about to run our for Ehud the thug Brug - and Sharon whom the Palestinians refer to as "the fat slob" has lost his glarmour and is not quite so fearsome these days. Murdering children in the Holy Land?Well look at Waco and see who and what we have now for world leadersbaby murderers. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FDA Gestapo Imprisons Parkinson's Advocate-Lengthy article
-Caveat Lector- This is rather long. I make no claims as to the guilt or innocence of this individual but am forwarding it as part of the conspiracy theory of suppression of vitamins/alternative treatments. AKE - Original Message - From: "International Advocates for Health Freedom" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "List Member" Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 9:44 AM Subject: [IAHF] FDA Gestapo Imprisons Parkinson's Advocate International Advocates for Health Freedom - http://www.iahf.com IAHF Webmaster: Create a Section Called "Free Jay Now!" and put these three articles in it. Also put it under breaking news, consitution on the bonfire, and genocide. All Webmasters: Please post. Mr.Kimble was not even allowed to have his expert witness testify. He was horribly railroaded. Now they're giving him "Diesal Therapy" moving him around inside the American Gulag so he can't even be in touch with his wife and attorney. IAHF list: I have been working hard for the past several weeks with Bill Faloon and Jo Kimble, the wife of Jay Kimball who's plight is discussed very thoroughly and movingly below by my friend Don Harkens, Editor and Publisher of the Idaho Observer, and a fellow member of the American Media Association. Jay was selling a dietary supplement: liquid deprenyl citrate, a derivitive of the herb ephedra. It meets the statutory definition of a dietary supplement beyond any question because one or more of its 4 ingredients meets the definition of a dietary ingredient, the product is totally safe and very effective. FDA engaged in a conspiracy with Somerset Labs to imprison Jay. I have much more to say about Jay's situation, but think that Don's 3 articles below do a better job of introducing the issue than I could initially. Suffice it to say that Jay has been railroaded into the belly of the beast: 13 years in the Federal Pen on a trumped up "conspiracy" charge, and we must raise the funds for an appeal. After reading this, please forward it to others, especially if they have loved ones who suffer from Parkinsons' because their best hope is being horribly suppressed, and Jay is being grossly mistreated as a political prisoner. Because of their efforts to break him for the past ten years, Mr. Kimball was forced to defend himself at his trial. Donations for his legal defense can be sent to: The James T. Kimball Legal Defense Fund, C/O 29949 S.R. 54 West, Wesley Chapel, Florida, 33543 or call 813-994-5968 for more information. Also see http://www.liquid-deprenyl.com You can also call me at 800-333-2553 (IAHF) or call Don Harkins author of the articles below for more information Posted-Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 10:08:44 -0800 (PST) From: "Don Harkins" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Illegal-Object: Syntax error in To: address found on hugin.request.net: To: Undisclosed-Recipient: @ns5.dmi.net; ^-illegal end of route address, missing end of address Subject: FDA Gestapo Imprisons Parkinson's Advocate Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 09:50:45 -0800 Organization: Idaho Observer X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 To: unlisted-recipients:; (no To-header on input) Dear Fellow Health Freedom Lover - Many of you are familiar with the story of Jay Kimball. Following is an update and background in case you are not familiar. The final section of this post is a list of numbers that can be called to let the FDA, legislators and courts realize that people are watching. Please help bring the following crimes against a decent fellow American to light. If you have any questions, my number is at the end of the first release. Sincerely, Don Harkins The Idaho Observer ** Fed Marshalls prescribe diesel therapy for Kimball LDC developer, 60, returned to Tampa in damaged state By The Idaho Observer TAMPA-After his October 19, 2000 conviction for violating U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) labeling laws, Liquid Deprenyl Citrate (LDC) developer Jay Kimball, 60, while in the custody of the U.S. Marshal's Service, was handcuffed, waist-chained, leg-ironed and, for no apparent reason, transported 150 miles from the Hillsborough County Jail (HCJ) here to the Hendry County Jail in LaBelle. Kimball was returned to HCJ Nov. 20 with numerous injuries. An HCJ employee reportedly stated that Kimball must have been transported in error as, considering his age and the nature of his conviction, he should never have been sent to LaBelle. LaBelle is a facility that has been described as a deplorable, inhumane and bacteria-infested hell hole. Kimball was sentenced by Florida District Federal Judge Richard Lazzara to serve 13 years for "misbranding" LDC-a crime which would ordinarily earn a three-year prison stay. On one hand the judge said to the prosecutors, "you had thousands of names and phone numbers, you failed to produce one complaint of harm or loss, to the contrary
[CTRL] Cashing in on Government
-Caveat Lector- Cashing in on government http://lewrockwell.com Until the 1990s, lots of folks down South still thought of the Democrat Party as just one political alternative, not as the power-lusting, junta-in-waiting we see today. After eight years of misrule and unending lies, and now the attempt to employ politicized courts to bypass the Constitution and impose an unelected president, you have to wonder: Is there nothing these people won't do to grab or retain power? Even more profoundly, you have to wonder why they are fighting so hard. In their respective platforms, Gore and Bush are not completely different -- much to the GOP's discredit. Both parties promise to expand government and even where Bush is better, he is unlikely to follow through. But a Gore victory means the continuation of power for the same crew that has been in charge for eight years. As just one measure of how far public confidence in them has dropped, consider that when Clinton's own lawyer turned up dead in his apartment the other day, many people, including elected lawmakers, suspected foul play. To be sure, some old-time conservatives in the South still vote straight-ticket Democrat because they recall that the Republicans, after invading and conquering the southern states, ran a military dictatorship from 1865-1877. In those days, the Democrats had their doubts about the merit of despotism. But much has changed. Now, it is they who are running the new Reconstruction. And the means they are using is not the military (certainly not the military) but pressure groups and the courts. But why is retaining the presidency so important to the Democrats? It's one thing to be disappointed at the loss of an election; that comes with the territory. And while it's true that the presidency is a big deal, the idea of the American system is that people compete for office but not everyone can win. Besides, they've already had eight years in office. Enough is enough. Why engage in this bloody fight to the death at the expense of all morality and sense of fair play? Is George Bush such a threat to the left that they would unleash every weapon in their arsenal, including legions of aspiring journalists, to destroy him? Is Al Gore so much beloved by them that they will do anything to put him in charge? Surely not. So what is it that the left fears from a Gore loss? In a phrase, the end of the gravy train. Seeking to further enlighten the rest of us, a Democrat attorney Cleta Mitchell wrote these words in the Nov. 20 Wall Street Journal: The fundamental motivation for Democrats is their understanding that winning control of government is tied to paychecks, jobs, government grants, public money for private groups and companies, government contracts, union bargaining advantages, rules by which trial lawyers bring lawsuits, and on and on. The use of government to feed friends and starve enemies is something Democrats know instinctively. Winning elections means getting or keeping a livelihood. Sounds like a Third World country, but we shouldn't be surprised. While the American economy and culture are highly advanced, the American system of government is, in its bare essentials, no different from any other government on the globe, now or at anytime in history. The only difference is that there is a lot more cash to pass out. Government anywhere and everywhere is always about gaining at the expense of others. There has been no advancement in this base reality. We can change the definitions and claim that we are governing ourselves because we vote. But that doesn't change the core moral problem of government, which is that everything it has, it has via theft. Not one penny of its $2 trillion budget comes from revenue gained on a voluntary basis. Expansive government divides society into two castes, those who give up their money to the state and those who take money from the state. In order to keep the system going, those who give must vastly outnumber those who receive. This was true in the earliest days of the nation-state and it remains true today. The presence of voting, or what remains of the restraints imposed by the Constitution, change nothing about the essential operation. When you read the founding documents, you find massive concern about factions. Today, political mavens think that they feared partisanship and would thus endorse what is called bipartisanship. This is ridiculous. By factions, the founders meant groups of people at war with each other over who will control the public purse. Their solution to this problem was not to abolish differences of opinion but to keep government small, so the stakes of gaining power would be low. You limit the power of faction by limiting the scope of government. All the mechanisms we learn about in civics class -- the separation of powers, the Bill of Rights, the Electoral College -- were instituted as means toward that overriding goal. But this vision has been betrayed. And you don't
[CTRL] Not the Framer's Presidency
-Caveat Lector- Not the framers' presidency -- -- © 2000 WorldNetDaily.com The best thing for this country is for the presidential election to be indefinitely in dispute. Think of the alternative. Folks in Utah voted 2 to 1 for Bush, and yet if Gore were to win, these people would be forced to live under the rule of a vast regulatory and tax apparatus administered by an enemy regime. Meanwhile, more than 2,300 miles away, folks in Massachusetts voted almost as solidly for Gore. Yet if Bush wins, they will be required to live under a regulatory and tax apparatus headed by a man and a party these people despise. The loser states can expect to be targeted for punishment, just as they have been throughout the 1990s. Moreover, most people who voted for either of the two main candidates did so because they feared a contrary outcome, not because they loved the candidate. A Bush presidency will not satisfy those fed up with paying for government "services" they don't use, and a Gore presidency won't satisfy those who believe government can never get too big or intrusive. Nor should anyone accept such an outcome. It is time to ask the ultimate question: Where is the justice in either a Bush or Gore victory? There is no theory of a free society that can justify the kind of despotism that permits a few thousand votes in the state of Florida to determine the regime that rules Hawaii and Alaska. No matter what the result, there will be no end to the bitterness. Partisans on both sides will claim fraud and unfair manipulation until the end of time. Republicans will lie awake at night fuming about all the prison inmates the Democrats gave ballots to, and the Democrats will have the long knives out for Nader and Bush and won't shrink from calling them every nasty name in the left-liberal handbook. What's more, bitterness and anger are exactly the correct emotions to feel. This whole election strikes at the very heart of humane political sensibilities. Television pundits: Don't tell me that this is the system set up by the framers of the Constitution. It is not. There were only 13 colonies when the Constitution was ratified and the Electoral College was put into place. As compared with today, those sovereign entities were united only in a love of liberty. These days, there are 50 states of radically diverse populations stretching a distance far too wide a distance to be managed by a single regime that extracts 2 trillion from the national wealth per year. The president initially had very few powers, and the ones he did have were subject to congressional veto. There was no regulatory apparatus. There was no income tax. The Supreme Court could not legislate for the states. The states were in charge of setting their own immigration rules. There were no national health care plans or retirement systems. There were no centralized rules restricting the freedom of association. There was no national policy on anything but foreign policy, and, even here, there was no permanent stationing of troops outside the borders. Indeed, there was no standing army. Congress was supreme and the Senate elected by state legislatures and mostly loyal to the citizens of the states, not a mythical national constituency. The stakes of national elections just weren't that high. The framers' system permitted a president (not a king), but the office was based on the idea that he would largely be a figurehead. He would have no power to impact the daily lives of the people. Impeachment was to play a huge role in American life, as even the centralist Alexander Hamilton was forced to concede. Sure enough, in Alexis De Tocqueville's America, the citizens had little or no contact with the federal government. It didn't tax them, regulate their businesses, tell them whether and how they could be armed, or how they must conduct their private lives. The president's power is "temporary, limited, and subordinate," De Tocqueville wrote. He has "little wealth, and little glory to share among his friends; and his influence in the state is too small for the success or the ruin of a faction to depend upon his elevation to power. ... The influence which the President exercises on public business is no doubt feeble and indirect." No matter who was elected, average people would go on living their lives in liberty, fearing only robbers, poverty, and hard winters, and not public agents. Beginning in 1860 all this began to change, as summed up in Lincoln's declaration that "I have a right to take any measure which may best subdue the enemy." The states were not permitted to exit the regime, a right which many states had asserted in their original Constitutions. During the Progressive Era a new theory emerged. The idea, promoted by Woodrow Wilson, is that the president is some sort of embodiment of the Rousseauian "General Will." Since that time, we have developed the view that the
[CTRL] Creating monsters and selling fear
-Caveat Lector- Creating monsters and selling fear The EU's plan to form its own military force consisting of recruits from EU member nations seems to reflect a rejection of US-dominated NATO. Russia has made a bid to join this endeavor. As the EU forms its own army, NATO and its armed forces will dwindle, ending US bully-boy diplomacy and agendas in the name of EU 'shared' interests. The EU nations just may have a greater degree of cohesiveness because of the US-led NATO debacle in Yugoslavia. If for no other reason, population limitations and individual restraints will diminish NATO for lack of personnel, especially with UN and the EU competition for troops. Cohen, Albright, et al showed their true colors in Yugoslavia, leaving behind economic and political chaos and an ecologically desolated landscape which negatively impacts all Europe. Concerns of European nations necessarily include the conditions of their neighbors, which geographically are in a position to have a great effect upon them all. Most Europeans were horrified, not only at the extreme methods that were employed, but also at the prospect of future 'interventions' at the hands of these high-tech slash and burn artists. The 'might is right' paradigm of this current administration's foreign policy is a failure and has managed to alienate potential European cohorts as well as China and Russia. South American countries are also increasingly aware of autonomy sapping, heavy-handed American intervention and will find allies in the disillusioned nations of Europe. If Russia succeeds in becoming a part of the new EU army, the balance of power will have shifted considerably, and hopefully for the better where we will see the old global NWO plans reduced to a memory. Meanwhile, the resources of the US and its citizens are being diverted and drained to create a tyrannical corporate global government that has no respect for the wishes of it US citizens, dismissing their legimate concerns with false assurances, denial, ridicule and intimidation; yet these are concerns that all Americans share, regardless of partisan politics. And we are beginning to see increased overt manifestation of this in the US much more so than the W. European nations whose citizens are more accurately and fairly represented by coalition government representation of diverse views, therefore more politically empowered to oppose the inhumane and profit-driven agendas of attempts of corporate dominance. Our two-party system is a joke, mere theater, offering no representation for other than two barely differing canned NWO/corporate backed platforms based upon a false dividing lines between the two with mindless 'battles' promulgated and fomented by corporate media, diverting the attention of gullible citizens from serious issues of common concern. Yet the unaccountable corporate bureaucrats will continue to employ their strategies to further their agendas for absolute power and control over this country, its resources, its population. Our federal leadership has failed to represent the will of the people, instead favoring the objectives of the military/industrial/chemical/pharmaceutical/media complex, creating chaos, if necessary, to further the goals of faceless, unaccountable NWO bureaucrats who lurk in the shadows behind their investments those who do their bidding. And while our national leaders create international chaos in their misrepresentation of the nature and will of the populace of the United States of America, 'we the people' have no formal allies, only enemies made by our leadership and their manipulations for global control. 'We the people 'are the commodities for the corporate nation. We are also the conscience of this nation. We are a nation under siege from our own 'leadership'. ~ /\/\ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE
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-Caveat Lector- 11/27/00 Gores Secret Donors As the Florida battle wages on, Gore is in danger of being called a hypocrite. By John Samples, director of the Center for Representative Government at the Cato Institute National Review A recent New York Times story brings news of Vice President Gore's evolving views on campaign-finance regulation: "Peter Knight, Mr. Gore's chief fund-raiser, said some of the money for the Gore recount fund had come from large donations by wealthy people, but he declined to name them." You may recall that we had a modest debate this past summer about the role of undisclosed contributions to so-called 527 groups. Such groups raised funds from anonymous contributors to support issue ads during this year's elections. You may also recall the avalanche of attacks on such anonymous fundraising. The Washington Post called for complete disclosure and suggested defenders of anonymous giving were "in love with the dark." Sen. Russ Feingold (D., Wisc.) noted that secret contributions were the latest source of corruption in politics, a "dangerous invitation to scandal." Rep. Lloyd Doggett (D., Tex.), sponsor of a bill to force disclosure of 527 contributions, argued that "our political system is being polluted with substantial amounts of secret contributions and secret expenditures used to attack candidates." The editorial writers of the New York Times decried 527 groups as "shadowy tax-exempt organizations that are secretly raising and spending unlimited sums of money to influence federal elections." Sen. John McCain (R., Ariz.) equated the secretive activities of some 527 groups to "certain evils in our society," including murder, rape, and robbery. Indeed, Gore himself called for disclosure of the officers and finances of Section 527 organizations as part of his proposal for new regulations on campaign finance. Gore called such groups "the equivalent of Swiss bank accounts for campaigns." Sen. Joseph Lieberman (D., Conn.) introduced a disclosure bill for 527 groups. And that leading expert in political ethics, Rep. Patrick Kennedy, affirmed, "The only issue that matters is where the money is coming from. That's the main public interest here." This hysteria and what else to call a period when funding issue ads is compared to murder, rape, and robbery? led to a law requiring disclosure of contributions by 527 groups. At that time many across the political spectrum raised doubts about disclosing contributions from 527 groups. They worried whether disclosing contributions would chill freedom of speech and association. They noted that anonymous giving protects the privacy of the contributor, thereby precluding retribution by political enemies. And they recalled Justice Harlan's admonishment, "Inviolability of privacy in group association may in many circumstances be indispensable to preservation of freedom of association, particularly where a group espouses dissident beliefs." Gore and his contributors now seem to recognize the value of anonymous giving, as well they might. Imagine a wealthy individual committed to Gore and willing to support his bid for a recount. Let's say he learns that his contribution will be disclosed. Here are the questions crossing his mind: If Bush wins the presidency, will I be the target of political retribution? Will that deal with my Republican business partners still go through? Will my name be published in the newspaper? Clearly disclosure would have a chilling effect. Gore may yet disclose the contributors to his recount fund. After all, he has enough public-relations problems at the moment without charges of hypocrisy. But advocates of campaign-finance regulation should be demanding full disclosure right now. If anonymous giving is as much of a threat to American democracy as they and Gore said last summer, any secret giving especially by wealthy individuals should be immediately brought into the sunlight to ward off corruption in the struggle for Florida. (Can we look forward to a New York Times editorial demanding disclosure of the sources of the recount fund?) I believe Gore's donors have a right to contribute anonymously to his efforts in Florida. Privacy of association and protection from retribution for political commitments are important American values. What's not tolerable is a double standard on the part of campaign-finance reformers who brayed about 527s but thus far have been silent about Gore's secret donors. = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list.
[CTRL] American Lawyer Media: Century-Old Law Is Key to Supreme Court's Decision to Rule on Recount
-Caveat Lector- http://www.law.com/cgi-bin/nwlink.cgi?ACG=ZZZ351QD1GC Century-Old Law Is Key to Supreme Court's Decision to Rule on Recount Tony Mauro American Lawyer Media November 27, 2000 Inside a rented mansion in Miami, away from the constant flow of e-mail, Harvard Law School professor Laurence Tribe is fashioning the strategy he will use on behalf of Vice President Al Gore on Friday in the U.S. Supreme Court argument that could determine the 2000 presidential election. On the other side of Bush v. Palm Beach County Canvassing Board, No. 00-836, the epicenter appears to be the D.C. offices of Gibson, Dunn Crutcher, where partner Theodore Olson is coordinating a team of lawyers crafting arguments on behalf of Gov. George W. Bush. But while the key lawyers prepare, uncertainty about Friday's oral argument abounds. There is scant legal scholarship and precedent backing up the issues the Supreme Court has agreed to consider. And with only four days to go, many important logistical issues normally worked out weeks if not months before a hearing are just beginning to be addressed. Chief among the unanswered questions: In a case with multiple litigants, not to mention a flock of top lawyers on all sides, who will get to argue before the justices? Current speculation has Olson standing in for Bush, and Tribe for Gore and the Florida Democratic Party -- dividing most of the 90 minutes allotted. But, depending on how the justices rule on not-yet-filed motions, it is likely that each of the veteran Supreme Court advocates will yield at least 10 minutes to other parties. Florida's Republican-led legislature, not yet a direct party in the litigation, has hired a Harvard law professor of its own: Charles Fried. Solicitor general from 1985-89 and more recently a judge on the highest state court in Massachusetts, Fried will represent the legislature's view that the Florida Supreme Court acted improperly. Fried, or a lawyer for Secretary of State Katherine Harris, will certainly file a brief and could seek argument time. On the Gore side, various Florida election officials as well as Attorney General Robert Butterworth, a Democrat who was a key strategist in Gore's campaign, are named as parties in the litigation and might also want a piece of the action. Motions for divided argument are likely to be filed on Monday, and the Court should respond quickly. The main briefs of both parties, meanwhile, must be filed by 4 p.m. Tuesday, according to the Court's expedited schedule. Reply briefs, in turn, are due by 4 p.m. Thursday -- a scant 18 hours before oral argument. A decision could come soon after that: The Court has rearranged its schedule so that Wednesday, Dec. 6, previously booked for two oral arguments, is free all day. But more vexing for the lawyers than the compressed schedule is how to argue the case -- so narrowly drawn legally but set against the backdrop of the highly-politicized presidential contest. The validity of the hand recount in constitutional terms is not at issue. Instead, the Court will decide the validity of the Florida Supreme Court's Nov. 21 decision allowing the recounts to continue and be certified beyond the statutory limit. The Court also wants the parties to opine on the possible consequences if it were to reverse the state high court -- a tricky question, given the fast-breaking developments that could make it impractical for the Court to turn back the clock on the recounts. Ordinarily, most Supreme Court scholars agree, these are questions the U.S. Supreme Court would have little interest in answering and great incentive to avoid. But the Bush appeal, in a masterstroke of legal excavation, unearthed two rarely invoked federal provisions -- one statutory, one constitutional -- that gave the justices enough to chew on. The first is 3 U.S.C. 5, a law dating back to 1887 that the Supreme Court has never interpreted. It requires that any dispute over the appointment of presidential electors be resolved according to "laws enacted prior to" Election Day. So the Bush legal team's primary task will be persuading the Supreme Court that a statutory interpretation of Florida law by the Florida Supreme Court amounts to a post-election enactment of a law. In addition to the Supreme Court's now-commonplace divisions over state and federal relations, that question could provoke debate among justices over the very nature of judging in cases that involve the interpretation of conflicting laws -- whether it is, at base, an interpretive or a legislative act. The Gore legal team will argue that the 1887 law, as antique as it is, anticipated what happened last week by including a catch phrase that allows for "judicial or other methods or procedures" to resolve electoral disputes as well. The Bush team omitted that phrase in both its petition for Supreme Court review and its reply brief. Gore also argues that what the Florida Supreme Court did was an "unexceptional" interpretation of two
[CTRL] Bush's Pal Racicot Tied To Extremists
Bush campaign spokesman Governor Marc Racicot tied to extreme-right forces By Jerry White 27 November 2000 The fact that Montana Governor Marc Racicot has emerged as a leading spokesman for the campaign of George W. Bush says a great deal about the social and political physiognomy of the Republican Party. In recent days Racicot, a close friend and advisor to Texas Governor Bush, has held press conferences and appeared on the Sunday morning news shows, making allegations of Democratic vote-rigging and whipping up opposition within the military to a possible victory by Democratic candidate Al Gore. At one press conference Racicot, citing the rejection of overseas military ballots by local election officials in Florida, declared, “I am very sorry to say, but the vice president's lawyers have gone to war, in my judgment, against the men and women who serve in our armed forces.” Such incendiary language, bordering on incitement to mutiny, has become almost routine in Republican quarters. It is the language of the militia groups and white supremacist cults that have found a comfortable home in Racicot's state, becoming part and parcel of what the media calls, in its disarming way, the “base” of the Republican Party in Montana. The cozy relationship between the Republican Party, including Racicot, and the terrorist fringe was on display two years ago, at the height of the anti-Clinton impeachment hysteria. On October 9, 1998 Racicot attended a Republican fundraiser and candidates' forum in Bozeman, Montana, where Bob Davies, a candidate for the state legislature, declared that President Clinton “should be shot.” Davies said he routinely uttered that sentiment in response to voters who asked about his stand on the impeachment controversy. Davies also told the forum that Clinton was guilty of treason and should be executed for selling satellite technology to the Chinese government, likening the president to Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, who were electrocuted as Soviet spies at the height of the 1950s McCarthyite witch-hunt. Neither Racicot nor any of the other Republican officials at the forum interrupted Davies, opposed his threats against the president, or reported Davies' comments to law enforcement agencies, even though advocating attacks against the president is a federal crime. Davies' comments only came to light two days later when one of those in attendance at the meeting wrote a letter to a local newspaper, declaring, “I am filled with disgust when I hear someone like Bob Davies who is running for public office advocate violence against other public officials.” In the aftermath of the October 1998 forum, Racicot did not respond to reporters' inquiries about Davies' remarks for nearly a week. He finally issued a perfunctory statement disassociating himself from the threats against Clinton. The director of the state Republican Committee told the World Socialist Web Site at the time that the party would not retract its endorsement of Davies' campaign. Racicot's political rise is indicative of the far-right character of Republican politics in Montana, where the party has close ties with racist and anti-Semitic organizations, including paramilitary militia groups like the Montana Freeman and the Militia of Montana. The thinly-populated Western state has seen an influx of wealthier, conservative social layers trying to escape the more racially- and ethnically-diverse, and politically liberal, West Coast. Top elected officials, including Republican Congressman Rick Hill, have appeared at militia gatherings and the party has solicited support from these organizations for political campaigns. In August of 1999, the Montana Human Rights Network reported that Republican Senator Conrad Burns' office had sent a letter to the Militia of Montana appealing for support against the “gun control crusade” in the US Congress, a reference to pending legislation requiring background checks at gun shows. The senator's spokesman insisted there was nothing wrong with writing to the militia, a sentiment that was immediately echoed by John Trochmann, the leader of Militia of Montana, whose ties to the white supremacist Aryan Nation are well known. www.wsws.com
[CTRL] Gulf War Germ Developed (on us!), Given To Iraq In Bush, Reagan Years
Original Message - From: "NewsHawk Inc." [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 10:11 AM Gulf War Germ Developed (on us!), Given To Iraq In Bush, Reagan Years "In 1986, with the approval of Vice-President George Bush, Saddam received shipments of both brucella abortus, biotypes 3 and 9, and brucella melitensis, biotypes 1 and 3. "After Saddam obtained a stockpile of the brucellosis, a terrible discovery was made - these designer bacteria mutated and became contagious. "According to Scott's report, Saddam used this pathogen on American troops during the Persian Gulf War in 1991, resulting in the illness referred to as Gulf War Syndrome. More than 100,000 Gulf War vets now suffer from this syndrome, which causes chronic fatigue, loss of appetite, profuse sweating even at rest, joint and muscle pain, insomnia, nausea, and damage to major organs." "... By manipulating this disease (Brucellosis) researchers were able to design a disabling bacteria which disappeared following infection. Troops could be infected yet exhibit no signs of the bacteria when examined by a doctor. "In the early 1980s, secret government labs worked to produce a brucellosis pathogen which could disable enemy troops without the risk of infecting friendly forces. ... "... such a bacteria was tested during the summer of 1984 at Tahoe-Truckee High School in California, where individual rooms were fitted with an independent recycling air supply. A teachers lounge was designated as the infection target. Seven of eight teachers assigned to this room became very ill within months. "The high school was only one of several locations where the specially designed pathogens were tested, some distributed by aerosol sprays and others by the use contaminated mosquitoes." Beginning almost as soon as Ronald Reagan first took office as President, the U.S. government, specifically the intelligence and military branches thereof, began intensive research and development into a major new "designer disease" which they could use against "enemy" populations and military forces; in UTTER, COMPLETE contradiction of ALL international treaties regarding such matters. Then-"supposed" vice-president George Bush (let's not forget, Ronnie Raygun was only PRETENDING to be President: Bush really wore the pants) was completely aware of this activity and in fact was closely involved with it. What's even MORE DISGUSTING and SICK about what the psychotic, satanic slime in these agencies did was that in order to test and develop this "designer disease," they DELIBERATELY INFECTED various groups of unsuspecting AMERICAN CITIZENS with it, until they had achieved the evil results they desired with regard to the characteristics of the illness. So, after being developed for use through testing and experimentation upon innocent American civilians for several years during the Reagan/Bush years, the government/military at last had a perfected "product." This "product" was then given to SADDAM HUSSEIN around 1986 by the CIA and NONE OTHER than Saddam's dearest friend and bosom buddy, Mr. George HERBERT Dubya Bush (Sr.), then still pretend vice-president but actually the REAL President under pretend President Ronald Raygun. It was expected by the satanic vermin in D.C. that Saddam would use this vicious weapon -- utterly ILLEGAL by international treaty -- against our-THEN arch-enemy, Iran. HITLER WOULD HAVE BEEN PROUD OF BUSH, and Saddam! Then, when Saddam and George Bush, Sr. -- by THEN the REAL President -- had their lover's quarrel a couple of years later and Bush sent over half the U.S. military to erase Iraq from the face of the earth if necessary, Saddam got mad and dosed our troops with George Bush's very own present to Saddam: the brucellosis germ. We NOW know it as GULF WAR SYNDROME. THANKS, to the Bush International Crime Empire, For causing untold numbers of American troops to sicken and waste away from this horrid disease. This disease has since spread to the general population from Gulf War veterans to an unacceptable extent, and REPORTEDLY, according to this theory, ChemTrails are an attempt by the (covert?) government to stamp OUT the disease before it seriously diminishes the human population. NewsHawk has had this very same theory conveyed to us several times in the past year or so by a source which is normally both reliable and well-informed. Whether this whole scenario is in FACT true, however, we can't say and neither could our source. It's POSSIBLE. What's so DISTRESSING about it, though, is that aside from the MONUMENTAL screwup of putting a weapon like that in the hands of either George Bush OR Saddam Hussein, the U.S. government DEVELOPED and PERFECTED this HORRID DISEASE by EXPERIMENTING UPON ITS OWN PEOPLE in the most malicious and heinous way imaginable. Talk about NAZISM!! ChemTrail Theory May Make You Sick/FWD According to THIS theory, the ChemTrail operations are
[CTRL] The Ballot War--Contingency Planning
-Caveat Lector- The Ballot War--Contingency Planning A message from FLI http://www.friendsofliberty.com/00482_00.htm The canvassing board has stated that it is not inclined to count "indentations" on ballots, even though Al Gore said that they should be considered for "voter-intent". The question is, who-but the voter-should decide what his intentions are? We have witnessed unparalelled attacks on our Great Republic, and the Constitution. George W. Bush made the comment that, "Make no mistake, the Supreme Court has re-written the law." The Supreme Court has re-written the law, indeed, to suit their Democratic party's agenda. Some are marvelling over an increase in sales of ammunition. Others are saying the rumor is unfounded. One gun-shop owner stated, "The 'rambos' still have their Y2K leftovers. They don't need to come in here now." Indeed, they don't. Others are making contingency plans, in light of present demonstrations, rallies, and 'near-riots'". The questions are ranging from "Is now the time?" to "Who will stand?" One news publication has offered another solution--Truck Stop 2000. Sierra Times and the Alamance Independent, along with other publications have endorsed it. In light of all the talk of impending doom and the possibility of civil war, the Ballot War seems to be getting too out of control, even for several thousand truck drivers to try to stop. So many threats seem to be coming at us at once--threatening the stability of our strong economy, and our country. Al Gore says he will not concede if he doesn't win. Instead, he will seek to have Miami-Dade forced to do a recount, which has chosen after a near-riot, not to do the recount. The White House has been instructed to not give Bush the Transition keys. Even if he wins. And the American people are getting angrier by the moment. It would suffice us to say that should there actually be a "re-election", many would change their votes, in light of the circumstances that have played themselves out. What say ye, America? Don't you think it's time to actually make those contingency plans? Get ready, because this Ballot War--we fear--will not end peacefully. If you are armed, get them loaded. If you have food, stock it in a bag. Keep your sacks close to the door. Prepare to travel light, but with ample supplies. Make sure you know where to go, who to take with you, what to do with your children, and have good communication devices on hand. Do not prepare to depend on electricity. Prepare to endure the hardest of times. Be careful who you tell, what you tell them, and who you depend on to contact. This is not an advocation of any kind. This is simply a plea to prepare for the worst, because it looks as if it just might happen. If at all possible, pray to God that this Ballot War can be settled by other means. Maybe Truck Stop 2000 will be enough...but just in case it isn't, be prepared. God go with each and every one of you, and pray persistantly for peace. Shonda M. Ponder, editor Friends of Liberty, International http://www.friendsofliberty.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Republican Brown Shirts intimidate Dade-Miami vote counters
-Caveat Lector- 3 stories: 1) Republican Brown Shirts intimidate Dade-Miami vote counters http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/ELECTION_protests001124.html (ABC News Online) ...in an apparent exercise of spontaneous public outrage, pro-George W. Bush demonstrators surged through the county office building in Miami-Dade County, demanding an end to the hand recount there. The shouting demonstrators accused Democratic election officials of taking the count behind closed doors and apparently contributed to one election supervisor's vote to end the hand recount. "If what I'd envisioned worked out and there were no objections, we'd be up there now counting," election supervisor David Leahy said. But that demonstration, ABCNEWS has learned, was neither spontaneous, nor local. It was an organized Republican Party protest, run by 75 party supporters out of a motor home headquarters in Miami. 2) http://www.salon.com/politics/wire/2000/11/25/gop_muscles/index.html (Associated Press) ...Local Republican organizations rolled into downtown Fort Lauderdale in tour buses. Coming from New York, Ohio and Washington D.C., many flew to Florida on expense-paid trips. Tom Spargo of Albany, N.Y., who served as a GOP observer during the Miami-Dade recount, said his plane ticket to Florida was bought for him by someone in the party. He wasn't sure who. Terry Benham, 33, of Little Rock, Ark., said his plane ticket was paid for and he was sharing a hotel room with a GOP staff member. Yelling loudly that "they will count a dimpled chad, but they won't count a soldier," Benham said Republicans shouldn't back down. 3) http://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/24/politics/24MIAM.html (New York Times) ...demonstrations turned violent on Wednesday after the canvassers had decided to close the recount to the public. Joe Geller, chairman of the Miami-Dade Democratic Party, was escorted to safety by the police after a crowd chased him down and accused him of stealing a ballot. Upstairs in the Clark center, several people were trampled, punched or kicked when protesters tried to rush the doors outside the office of the Miami-Dade supervisor of elections. Sheriff's deputies restored order. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [FWD] School Advertising
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Is your schoolchild watching too much television? Eating too many
junk foods and drinks instead of what's healthy? Nagging you to buy
expensive sneakers? too easily swayed by advertising? If so, why are
the schools encouraging all those things?
Commercialism in the public schools is "widespread and on the rise,"
according to a recent report of the Government Accounting Office
requested by the House Committee on Education and the Workforce.
Advertising hits the school children hard, in signs on school buses,
in
the classroom, through exclusive soft drink contracts, and through
the in-class television program called Channel One, which includes
two minutes of commercials every school day.
In-school commercialism exists in all 50 states, but only 19 states
regulate in-school commercial activities. There is a wide variety in
the
way school policies address this issue.
Michigan fails to regulate commercial activities at all, while New
Mexico specifically allows advertising on school buses. California,
New York, Florida, Illinois and Maine have policies expressly
permitting or prohibiting at least three types of commercial
activities.
New York generally prohibits commercial activities on school
premises. In California, school boards must hold hearings before
approving many commercial contracts.
In 1994 a preschool teacher launched the fad of featuring brand-
name products in a children's book. After it was turned down by 35
publishers, her "MM's Brand Counting Book" became
Charlesbridge's biggest seller.
Now we see children's books featuring many brand-name candies
and snacks such as Froot Loops, Cheerios, MMs, Pepperidge
Farm Goldfish, Reese's Pieces, Skittles, Hershey's chocolates and
Oreo cookies. This trend has become popular with some preschool
and kindergarten teachers who say they like the books because the
children can count the candies or pieces of cereal and then be
rewarded by eating them.
More recently, brand-name books have been turning up in elementary
school classrooms. Titles include "Reese's Pieces: Count by Fives,"
"Hershey's Milk Chocolate Bar Fractions Book," and "Skittles Math
Riddles."
Not everyone approves of this trend. Some specialty children's
bookstores have refused to stock these books and some teachers
have described them as "an abuse." Some parents, pediatricians and
educators worry that such books "will engrave snack food brands in
toddler's impressionable minds, hook them on junk food, and lead to
eating problems later in life."
Though books peddling brand-name products have sold millions of
copies ("The Cheerios Play Book" has sold 1.2 million copies) and
have been published by major publishing houses, some publishers
disapprove of the trend. A spokesman for Random House's children's
division called the books "advertising and P.R. for the food
manufacturers, and as such, vaguely reprehensible."
Classroom commercialism began with when an outfit called Channel
One began offering schools free television equipment in exchange for
airing 12 minutes of programming, including two minutes of
commercial advertising, in class every school day. Since 40 percent
of middle and high school students nationwide now watch these
commercials every day, corporations lined up fast to pay prime-time
rates to peddle their products to captive student audiences.
Channel One's commercials advertise junk foods, soft drinks, video
games, expensive sneakers, movies, magazines, and TV sitcoms.
The most objectionable are the many hard-sell ads for movies and
television shows that contain vulgarities, obscenities, blasphemies,
sexual innuendoes, disrespect for parents, or violence.
The legacy of Channel One is that Coke, Pepsi, Burger King, Nike,
Kellogg and other corporations are now paying schools to place their
ads in hallways, gymnasiums, cafeterias, and on school buses and
book covers. Multi-million-dollar contracts have turned some schools
into virtual sales agents for Coke and Pepsi.
One 10-year, $8.4 million contract requires a Colorado school district
to sell 70,000 cases of Coke products per year. A letter from a
district official to school administrators urged them to meet sales
goals by allowing students virtually unlimited access to Coke
machines, locating the machines where they will be accessible to
students all day, and even allowing students to drink Coke products
in class.
Some school boards and parents are striking back against this tide
of commercialism. The Bucks County (PA) School Board voted 7-0 in
September to reject Channel One because of its "heavily
commercialized content."
ZapMe!, another corporation that offers computer equipment to
schools in return for advertising to captive students, announced after
its stock took a nose-dive in October that it will turn the company
toward a new direction.
Even some students are waking up to how they are being used. An
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] THE RICH AND THE SUPER RICH
This is an opportune time to illuminate a virtually unknown dynamic in American politics that was explained to me by Barry Goldwater. Ferdinand Lundberg named his epic expose THE RICH AND THE SUPER RICH for good reason. There is a layer at the top of the economic spectrum where there is unimagined wealth. This is the billionaire level where it takes hundreds of millions to belong. All we are told in high schools colleges and TV is the dynamic of the RICH versus the POOR. What about the dynamic between the RICH and the SUPER RICH? Barry Goldwater made convincing arguments to me that this was the only dynamic in American politics that mattered. The RICH and the SUPER RICH are united when it comes to exploiting the ignorance of the general hoard. More than 55% of Americans own 0 assets or are in debt. About 25% of Americans are the professional class that enforce the will of the RICH and the SUPER RICH. The bottom of the SUPER RICH begins at the top 1/2 of one percent. Goldwater saw the small millionaires and the billionaires locked in a lethal competition. Economically it is the RICH that pose the greatest competition to the SUPER RICH. Both the RICH and the SUPER RICH set up front groups to manipulate the underclases to employ the unwashed masses in their struggle with each other's interests. The POOR has virtually no representation other than these front groups secretly supported by the RICH and the SUPER RICH. The tactic of the SUPER RICH has been the control of resources and markets through government control of these things. The small millionaires want free markets. Barry Goldwater articulated this in his book THE CONSCIENCE OF A CONSERVATIVE. H. L. Hunt as a secret alley of the Rockefellers subverted legitimate conservative groups and perverted them into ineffective Rush Limbaugh type organizations. Limbaugh would make Barry Goldwater puke. The producer Roger Ayles that set up Limbaugh in radio was an aid to George Bush. He is the SUPER RICH agent defusing conservative focus as the media masquerades him as the definitive conservative spokesperson. Goldwater's use of the words EASTERN LIBERAL ESTABLISHMENT was a euphemism for the Rockefellers, Bushes, and Harrimans. Below are my observations of the moments Goldwater came to the realization that he could no longer resist the force of the SUPER RICH. Brian Downing Quig Brian Downing Quig wrote: This is a very fine abstract of Bush family information. Actually I can only take exception to one sentence. 7/17/1980 The Los Angeles Times reported: "According to sources in the Reagan campaign, Bush was urged upon Reagan by his chief of staff, Ed Meese, and by his top political strategist, Richard Wirthlin...Without rejecting Bush flatly...Reagan nonetheless resisted accepting him. I can tell how Bush was selected by Reagan in 1980. Remember that this was the REPUBLICAN convention that Barry Goldwater made his speech before the largest TV audience ever, where he put his notes down at the end and said, "This could be the last REPUBLICAN convention and in two weeks the last DEMOCRATIC convention. There are dark forces working from within the country to subvert the constitution." I was in Barry's office the Monday after that speech talking to his administrative director who was an important player at the convention. As the secretary repeated a hundred times to callers while we spoke, "Yes, that is what the senator said. Yes, he was speaking about the TRILATERAL COMMISSION." I was told how Bush was selected for VP. I was told that Reagan did not want to name Bush but Gerald Ford and Walter Cronkite put his feet to the fire. The words used were "Here is the brush we will use to tar you if you do not select Bush." Cleon Skousen was a Reagan insider who gives the exact same story. I saw what happened to Barry Goldwater then. Not one newspaper spent a drop of ink on this startling speech. Goldwater realized that he would never have a forum as strong as this again. That is when Goldwater stopped fighting the EASTERN LIBERAL ESTABLISHMENT which was always a euphemism for the Rockefellers. Brian Quig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: Re: Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] -Is PEMEX deep into the drug trade??? Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 14:54:45 -0600 From: Linda Minor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu Aug 20, 1998 10:59am Subject: Background to Mena: George Bush, Clinton's boss from alt.politics.bush - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.politics.bush:5578"Background to Mena: George Bush, Clinton's boss/A - Subject: Background to Mena: George Bush, Clinton's boss From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Goldman) Date: Sat, Aug 8, 1998 7:00 PM Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: GEORGE BUSH - Spook City USA From:
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Nazi Origin of U.S. Gun Control
-Caveat Lector- Aleisha Saba wrote: -Caveat Lector- Come to think of it Joshua, now is the time for all Black Moslems, Black Nationalists, and any American to apply for dual citizenship to Palestine. Think I will..bet a lot of people would...and then we lobby the Congress to stop using our money to give to Israele butchers. Excellent idea. J2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Mob Rule Wins For W
-Caveat Lector- "Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/25/2000 4:35:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The protestors carried anti-Gore signs, including one that read: "Rotten to the Gore." The demonstration then turned violent as the canvassing board sought to go into closed session to begin examining the ballots. Dade County's Democratic chairman, Joe Geller, was chased by the crowd and required police protection. The mob also charged the offices of the supervisor of elections and began pounding on the doors. Several people were roughed up before sheriff deputies blocked the demonstrators' path and restored some order. The shaken three-member canvassing board promptly reversed its decision to count the ballots that many observers believed contained a large number of uncounted votes for Vice President Al Gore. Did anyone else notice that there weren't any Slade Gorton type cops grabbing the demonstrators and wiping pepper spray into their eyes. Prudy The demostrators didn't set the deadline. All the democratic floridians in power did. Just the facts ma'am A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Nazi Origin of U.S. Gun Control
-Caveat Lector- Nessie wrote: -Caveat Lector- Other Jews served in the Armed forces of the Third Reich, even up to the rank of Field Marshall. Come again? You're not talking about Milch, are you? This is stupid bullshit Nessie. Don't bother. J2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Nazi Origin of U.S. Gun Control
-Caveat Lector- Nessie wrote: -Caveat Lector- The Nazi origin of gun control is a right wing myth. There is nothing historical about it. Only Jews were forbidden to have guns. Care to cite us a source on that? Not necessary. It's common knowledge. Asked the idiots who keep the myth alive. J2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FEATURE: World War AIDS Day Dec. 1, 2000
-Caveat Lector- Aleisha Saba wrote: -Caveat Lector- Well we had the black death, the poisond waters made bitter in the Revelatins, the Blue Danube poisoned, the Dead Sea is still dead, and half the rivers in this country so filthy not safe to fish. We had Swine Flu which should have been an insult (See My Name Is Legionsymbolism set to murder date and believe me, this was old nazi experiment)...we now have West Nile Encephalitis, food being poisoned - even poor old Sarah Lee, but many waters will be made bitter and poisoned = poor old David Kore(sh) had figured that out, but was blaming God. Want to see the origin of Genocide? Read your bible and see God's Plan for you and then say but who is playing God? See how easy they murdered at Waco and ahandful of people really caredlittle 8th grader at Ruby Ridge and his dog murdered, and then this Japanese Doomsday FBI Sharpshooter killer the mother - blew her face off - and he aimed for the head. Look at Mad Cow Disease - do not see McDonalds or Wendy's burgers worried..best to go back to spagetti minus the meat. 6 billion people in worldWorld Health put out that figure - now knock of many who will die of AIDS but who really is the culprit? UN/NWO? You better believe it. Why do you think they are pushing homosexuality at little elementary children and then when AIDS really hits if we permit this to happen, Oh God Punished America, the Sodom and Gommorah of the Earth. Better safe than sorry - this country will not survine Clintons or Gore..now they bring over thousands of AIDS infested Africans and that is the qualification for entry to USA. We need a "peace time" criminal court and Clinton should head up the first case load. But then he is already charged with being war criminal by Serbia, as I recall. One must protect their children and grandchildren, for the idea is to destroy a whole generation of kids - what is left will die of AIDS So who is playing God - I know who plays hired guns. You are a psychotic idiot. Why don't you find an other hobby? There are important things happening, and you are a psychotic idiot. J2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Republican right prepares for violence
-Caveat Lector- Nessie wrote: -Caveat Lector- Do you really believe that? Just wishful thinking. A world without Democrats or Republicans is sweet to imagine. But of course, they all work for the same corporations. This so called battle for the presidency is a totally contrived. It's nothing but a show on TV. No matter who becomes president, the same plotocrats still call the shots. Not true dude. What you are seeing is a genuine contest. The Rich and their corporations picked DIFFERENT horses to bet on. In other words, yes they are all the same in a class sense as determined by wealth, but there are different groups of Rich competing with each other to steal the Presidency. Trial Lawyers for Gore, Big Oil for Bush. Some Wall St. big shots for Gore, other Wall st. big shots for Bush. What you are seeing is real. In the old days, different industries and their holding banks competed with each other. Today, it's more individual. The constant is... that it's ALWAYS THE RICH WHO OWN THE GOVERNMENT. Stupid peon voters. Joshua2 Besides, Hitler and Mussolini were less alike than Gush and Bore. The big question is why the powers that be are putting on this show. Are they trying to convince the more than half of us who don't vote that voting actually matters or are they distracting us from something else they are up to that they don't want us paying attention to? Hope for the best but plan for the worst. Too much conspiracy theory. "Some times a cigar is just a cigar." - J2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: The Time for Talk is Over
-Caveat Lector- FrontPage Exclusives - http://www.frontpagemag.com The Time for Talk Is Over By Richard Poe URL: http://frontpagemag.com/editors_note/en11-27-00.htm 11/27/00 BUSH HAS WON Florida. But the Gore team fights on. For the first time in our history, Americans face the possibility that the president we elected may not be allowed to serve. The question is: What are we going to do about it? If you're like most Americans, you probably shared your Thanksgiving table with at least one or two Gore supporters, maybe more. Perhaps you tried arguing with them. But of course they wouldn't listen. Why should they? The talking hairstyles on CNN have told them that Gore's machinations are perfectly normal and legal. And so they believe it. It is time to stop arguing with people who think that way. It is time to gird ourselves for action. Like most Americans, I was taught that the Germans were fools to follow Hitler. Popular films such as The Sound of Music reinforced this view. The bad guys were conveniently marked with swastika armbands and evil leers on their faces. Like most Americans, I concluded that no one with half a brain could have fallen for Hitler's cant. But real life is not like the movies. A lot of decent, intelligent Germans supported Hitler - people not unlike our friends and relatives who now support Al Gore. Not long ago, I watched a television interview of Leni Riefenstahl, the filmmaker whose propaganda epics Olympia and Triumph of the Will helped build Hitler's following. The interviewer asked her why she had lent her talents to the Nazi cause. I don't remember Riefenstahl's exact words, but she said something like, "It is easy in hindsight to know that Hitler was evil. But it was not so easy for people at the time, who had no way of knowing what the future would bring. Even today, how do we really know which of our politicians will lead us to a better future?" Riefenstahl's critics have never accepted this sort of answer. They insist that she should have known better. And, of course, she should have. Yet, she still had a point. When Hitler annexed the Sudetenland in 1938, every radio broadcast and newspaper in Germany reported that it was the Czechs who were trying to pick a fight with Germany, not the other way around. When Hitler attacked Poland in 1939, the German press reported that it was the Poles, not the Germans, who had attacked first. There was no Internet, no Fox News, no Drudge Report in Germany then to give the dissident view. Even so, I'll bet plenty of Germans argued over their dinner tables, "The press is lying. Hitler is starting a war over nothing." "Nonsense!" their friends and relatives shouted back. "Don't be so cynical. Our government would never start a war without a good reason." And so the arguments raged. Endlessly. Pointlessly. Irresolvably. Just like the arguments we Americans are having today over the vote count in Florida. The Nazi press confused people by charging Hitler's opponents with every crime that Hitler himself committed. Our press plays the same trick, faulting "both sides" for this election crisis, even as massive evidence of Democrat vote fraud mounts. Leni Riefenstahl was correct, in one regard. It is not so easy to pick the right side. There is no crystal ball to tell us whom to follow or whom to believe. Each of us must make that choice alone, in the solitude of his own heart. I have made it for myself. And you, gentle reader, have no doubt made it too. When our forefathers faced a similar choice in 1776, many chose the wrong side. Some chose no side at all. But a brave few stood and fought for liberty. Thomas Paine wrote: "These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman Let it be told to the future world, that in the depth of winter, when nothing but hope and virtue could survive, that the city and the country, alarmed at one common danger, came forth to meet and repulse it." This weekend, thousands of demonstrators took to the streets, in every major city. Some cried, "mob rule!" Fainter hearts, on both sides of the political divide, called for restraint. But restraint is not appropriate when freedom hangs in the balance. Republicans and Democrats alike must accept that the time for talk has ended. Now we will see who has the courage to prevail. Richard Poe is editor of FrontPageMagazine.com and SlapHillary.com. For more information about Poe and his work, visit RichardPoe.com. E-mail him here. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used
[CTRL] The Diary and Letters of Rutherford B. Hayes, Nineteenth President of the United States, edited by Charles Richard Williams (Columbus, Ohio: Ohio State Archeological and Historical Society, 1922).
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.ohiohistory.org/onlinedoc/hayes/chapterxxxiv.html Click Here: A HREF="http://www.ohiohistory.org/onlinedoc/hayes/chapterxxxiv.html"Volume Chapter XXXIV/A - COLUMBUS, OHIO, November 13, 1876. MY DEAR S-: -Thanks for your letter. Perhaps I ought to say in a word how much I am obliged to you. No correspondent during the one hundred and forty-four days has been so valued as you, and my debt dates before and is likely to grow after that period. I am in the habit, for a day or two past, of saying: "Un- doubtedly, a fair election in the South would have given the Re- publicans a large majority of the electors, and also of the popular vote of the nation; and I think that a fair canvass of the result will still give us the one hundred and eighty-five votes required to elect." Sincerely, R. B. HAYES. HONORABLE WILLIAM HENRY SMITH. Confidential. FREMONT, OHIO, November 23, 1876. MY DEAR GUY: - Your letter addressed to me at Columbus is before me. While I regret that you should be annoyed by the * Mr. Schurz had written: -"Today there seem to be good grounds for hope again for sufficient legitimate majorities in Florida, South Carolina, Louisiana, and thus of your election. If this turns out to be the result, accept my congratulations in advance. Your satisfaction can scarcely be greater than mine.-I am sure, you are as anxious as I am, and as every patriotic citizen must be, that such a result should not be tainted by any suspicion of unfair dealing. I think the idea put forth in several quarters that some men of high character should go to New Orleans to watch the proceedings of the Returning Board, is a very good one. The Democrats are already sending some of their prominent men, and it ought to be done on our side." 380 RUTHERFORD BIRCHARD HAYES loose report of my conversations, I cannot write anything on the subject for the public. What I say is for yourself alone. My general views on the Southern question were given authoritatively and correctly in my Letter of Acceptance. I was not aware that anybody was reporting my conversations on the result and con- sequences of the election until I saw the publication you refer to. That report is correct enough as far as it goes, but it is not complete. My feeling was and is, that a Democratic victory at this time will prove especially calamitous to the South -not to the colored people alone, but to the white people also. The South can't prosper without immigration and capital from the North and from abroad.This remark is not equally applicable to the States west of the Mississippi. But it is measurably true there also, I suspect. Doubtless you will have a large immigration from the old Southern States which will help you. Now, that the tendency of a Democratic victory is to drive off Northern people, is a thing perfectly well known here. At least, such is my opinion. Possibly, your better opportunity of judging may correct my notions as to its effect on the colored people, but its effect on the interests of the white people I have better means to know than you have. I can't see why your Democratic friends should annoy you on this utterance of mine. The leading Democratic organ of the party North, the New York World, complimented me on this very point, and said it was an evidence of humanity and states- manship. I believe (I hope I am mistaken) that Southern Democrats think it was a monstrous wrong to give the colored people the ballot, and that it is excusable in them if they, the Southern Democrats, in effect nullify the provisions of the Constitution which secure this right to colored men. I hope sincerely that the Southern Democrats will take the advice of the World, and thus disappoint my apprehensions. In any event, I am the well- wisher of all of my countrymen in the South. I hope they will take the only course which can give them peace and prosperity. THE DISPUTED ELECTION 381 Whatever the issue of this business, my affection for you will not fail, but I shall remain "as ever" your friend. Sincerely, R. B. HAYES. HONORABLE GUY M. BRYAN, Galveston. COLUMBUS, OHIO, November 26, 1876. MY DEAR GENERAL:-Returning after an absence of over a week at Cleveland, Fremont, and Toledo, I found here last night your note of the 18th. I know your presence at New Orleans would be important for good, but under the circumstances you mention, you could not be reasonably asked to go. It seems to me you are correct as to the propriety of the course thus far taken by the Returning Board. Sherman writes me commending Wells and Anderson as acting conscientiously and judiciously. He
[CTRL] Fw: Gulf War syndrome symptoms linked to brain damage
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: undisclosed-recipients: Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 10:45 AM Subject: Gulf War syndrome symptoms linked to brain damage Gulf War syndrome symptoms linked to brain damage CHICAGO, Nov 27 (Reuters) - Symptoms such as memory loss and dizziness suffered by U.S. veterans with Gulf War syndrome can be correlated to specific areas of the brain where cells have died, probably from chemical exposure, researchers said on Monday For the full text of this story, A HREF="aol://4344:30.L100SdUd.7212398.659810711"click here/A. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Disgraceful lack of leadership
-Caveat Lector- This is an exchange between a military retiree in Florida and the VFW and other military organizations inquiring as to why they have not done more to ensure the votes of the military are counted in the presidential election in Florida. - Original Message - From: "Ron Hei" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Steve VanBuskirk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 8:52 PM Subject: RE: Disgraceful lack of leadership Thank you for your response. I will forward it on to my email address list which numbers a little over 500. A paltry sum perhaps, but quite a few for a private individual. It is interesting to note too, that as of this email you are the ONLY one who has responded. In a way, I'm surprised that it was the VFW. You see, I'm a life member of the VFW. Whorton-Dykes Post 2760 Gadsden, AL. Haven't been there in years, and said I wouldn't darken the door of another post after the VFW came out and indorsed a draft dodger's candidacy for president. I haven't forgiven that, and won't, but I do complement the VFW for both taking up the issue as well as responding. I think, however, given the stakes, that the VFW should have encouraged its posts in Florida to go out and BE SEEN in public, demonstrating over the issue. R. Hei -Original Message- From: Steve VanBuskirk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 6:36 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Disgraceful lack of leadership The VFW began working in earnest on Friday, November 5 when the overseas ballots were initially rejected. We are working with Secretary of Defense Cohen, Sen. John Warner (Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee) and many others. Our members in Florida have attended every rally and our leaders have been outspoken. (see attached releases). We worked over Thanksgiving and as near as we can determine, the national media has too many other issues to be concerned about a "few" overseas military ballots. Please - just because you don't see anything on ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox or CNN, doesn't mean we're not busting our butts to get this issue addressed. Thx, Steve Van Buskirk, Director of Communications KOSOVO2email.doc KOSOVOemail.doc Florida3.doc -Original Message- From: Ron Hei [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 5:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]; mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Disgraceful lack of leadership Well. I'm sure I've missed someone, but they will be alerted by equally less informed personnel. Gentleman, Ladies, etc., I have a MAJOR complaint. I believe the military term is BITCH. What I would like to know from you as a group is... Just what is it you DO stand for, if you do not take up the flag in the face of the monstrous demeaning of democracy by the Democratic Party in Florida. You stand by (with the exception of TROA and the Reserve Officer's Association letters below), and allow our service to the constitution to be for naught for lack of leadership? Are all of you about membership benefits, beanie hats, conventions, and show and tell? I request that you reflect back upon the preambles of each of your charters and see what you are about. It is my belief that you've lost you way, your direction, and perhaps your nerve. Where are you now that we NEED you? Where is your group, dressed up in your uniforms, hats, and pins with American flags DEMANDING those who you serve or have served are entitled to the most basic right of freedom? How come you are not in the streets? You WOULD be, if someone said there was going to be another cut in entitlements, wouldn't you? Don't you think this is just a little bit more serious than that? To those of you who have taken action, I express my true, sincere thanks and admiration, but it ain't enough. Go back to it! To those of you who have done nothing, I hope that the wide circulation in this memo creates enough hostility from your membership to get you off your duffs, or failing that makes a good dent in your membership. Our constitution is, indeed, in crisis. Rally round the flag, demand the Democrats STOP IT! Use your unity and your membership to make a difference. Have the courage to once again take on those things which seek to usurp what you defended in your service! The Democratic Party is not just the enemy of our men and women in service, it is the enemy of all of those who have gone before as well. Open your eyes! Act! I hope that others in your constituency, as I, hit the Reply to All button and respond with their own
[CTRL] NYT: Protest Influenced Miami-Dade's Decision to Stop Recount
-Caveat Lector- November 24, 2000 MIAMI-DADE COUNTY Protest Influenced Miami-Dade's Decision to Stop Recount By DEXTER FILKINS and DANA CANEDY IAMI, Nov. 23 The Miami- Dade County Canvassing Board's decision on Wednesday to shut down its hand recount of presidential election ballots followed a rapid campaign of public pressure that at least one of the board's three members says helped persuade him to vote to stop the counting. Republican telephone banks had urged Republican voters in Miami to go to the Stephen P. Clark Government Center downtown to protest the recount, which began there on Monday and which Democrats hoped would help swing Florida's 25 electoral votes to Vice President Al Gore. The city's most influential Spanish-language radio station, Radio Mambi, called on staunchly Republican Cuban-Americans to head downtown to demonstrate. Republican volunteers shouted into megaphones urging protest. A lawyer for the Republican Party helped stir ethnic passions by contending that the recount was biased against Hispanic voters. The subsequent demonstrations turned violent on Wednesday after the canvassers had decided to close the recount to the public. Joe Geller, chairman of the Miami-Dade Democratic Party, was escorted to safety by the police after a crowd chased him down and accused him of stealing a ballot. Upstairs in the Clark center, several people were trampled, punched or kicked when protesters tried to rush the doors outside the office of the Miami-Dade supervisor of elections. Sheriff's deputies restored order. When the ruckus was over, the protesters had what they had wanted: a unanimous vote by the board to call off the hand counting. Only that morning, the board, facing a tight deadline mandated the night before by the State Supreme Court, had concluded that it did not have time for a hand count of all 654,000 ballots cast by the county's voters. So the canvassers voted to proceed only with a manual count of 10,750 ballots that machines had not counted. Now even that limited recount was being abandoned, a decision that brought whoops and applause from the crowd. After the charge on the elections office, and just before the vote calling off the entire manual count, the three canvassers were led by police escort back to the public recount area from the room where they had decided to conduct their tally shielded from public view. One nonpartisan member of the board, David Leahy, the supervisor of elections, said after the vote that the protests were one factor that he had weighed in his decision. "This was perceived as not being an open and fair process," Mr. Leahy said. "That weighed heavy on our minds." After discussing the matter briefly with reporters, Mr. Leahy declined requests for interviews, as did the two other board members, one of them nonpartisan, the other a Democrat. But quite apart from any campaign of pressure, the board did say that the court-mandated deadline had been a factor that militated against even a limited recount. Whatever the case, Democrats accused Bush supporters of gathering a crowd and riling it up in hopes of forcing the board to back down. "One hour they're telling us they're going to get it done," Luis Rosero, a Democratic aide, said of the canvassers, and "the next minute there were two riot situations and a crowd massing out in front. This was deliberate." Mr. Rosero said he had been punched and kicked by Republican supporters outside Mr. Leahy's office. Republican supporters scoffed at the accusation that they had engaged in a scheme of intimidation, saying the protest had been nothing more than a spontaneous manifestation of people's anger. "It's the same type of democracy in action when Jesse Jackson parachutes in and starts a protest in the black community," said Miguel De Grandy, a lawyer for the Republican Party. "People have a right to express their opinions." Yet some Bush supporters did acknowledge that they had helped inspire the crowd in hopes that the recount would end, though saying they had certainly meant no one any harm. "We were trying to stop the recount; Bush had already won," said Evilio Cepero, a reporter for Radio Mambi. "We were urging people to come downtown and support and protest this injustice." Mr. Cepero played a key role in the protests, roaming around the building outside and, with a megaphone, addressing a crowd of perhaps 150 people. "Denounce the recount!" he shouted repeatedly. "Stop the injustice!" He regularly cut into Radio Mambi's broadcasts to encourage people to come downtown. And he also phoned in interviews with two Republican lawmakers United States Representatives Lincoln Diaz- Balart and Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, both Cuban-Americans who also helped persuade people to come. Several people who attended the demonstration said they had decided to do so after receiving an automated phone message, initiated by local Republican officials, encouraging them. One was Rebecca Totilo, who came
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-Caveat Lector- On Mon, 27 Nov 2000, Nurev Ind Research wrote: Nessie wrote: Do you really believe that? Just wishful thinking. A world without Democrats or Republicans is sweet to imagine. But of course, they all work for the same corporations. This so called battle for the presidency is a totally contrived. It's nothing but a show on TV. No matter who becomes president, the same plotocrats still call the shots. Not true dude. What you are seeing is a genuine contest. I don't believe this. A real contest is one in which the outcome MEANS SOMETHING, and from the mind-set/perspective of the "plutocrats" mentioned, it really doesn't matter who wins this puppet show, not at all. Which side is victorious really does have different effects on *some* ppl, as you say, but it only means something to the ppl at various levels beneath these "plutocrats," ... not at the highest levels of what I refer to as "The Evilarchy." The Rich and their corporations picked DIFFERENT horses to bet on. In other words, yes they are all the same in a class sense as determined by wealth, but there are different groups of Rich competing with each other to steal the Presidency. Trial Lawyers for Gore, Big Oil for Bush. Some Wall St. big shots for Gore, other Wall st. big shots for Bush. Again, we're talkin'apples and oranges. What you are seeing is real. I say it's not. Not at the highest levels, and NOT AT OUR LEVEL, which is all that matters REALLY, i.e., "through thine eyes..." In the old days, different industries and their holding banks competed with each other. Today, it's more individual. It's the samei.e., the same 200 patriarchs have jointly ruled this planet for at least the last several hundred years, probably several THOUSAND years. The constant is... that it's ALWAYS THE RICH WHO OWN THE GOVERNMENT. Stupid peon voters. I agree with *that* ;-) Mike A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Transcript: Gore remarks on Florida vote certification
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Transcript: Gore remarks on Florida vote certification
November 27, 2000
Web posted at: 9:44 p.m. EST (0244 GMT)
GORE: Good evening. Thank you for taking the time to listen tonight.
Every four years there is one day when the people have their say. In many
ways the act of voting and having that vote counted is more important than
who wins the majority of the votes that are cast, because whoever wins, the
victor will know that the American people have spoken with a voice made
mighty by the whole of its integrity.
On that one day every four years, the poor as well as the rich, the weak as
well as the strong, women and men alike, citizens of every race, creed and
color, of whatever infirmity or political temper, all are equal. They're equal,
that is, so long as all of their votes are counted.
A vote is not just a piece of paper, a vote is a human voice, a statement of
human principle, and we must not let those voices be silenced.
Not for today, not for tomorrow, not for as long as this nation's laws and
democratic institutions let us stand and fight to let those voices count.
If the people do not in the end choose me, so be it. The outcome will have
been fair, and the people will have spoken. If they choose me, so be it. I
would then commit and do commit to bringing this country together. But,
whatever the outcome, let the people have their say, and let us listen.
Ignoring votes means ignoring democracy itself. And if we ignore the votes
of thousands in Florida in this election, how can you or any American have
confidence that your vote will not be ignored in a future election?
That is all we have asked since Election Day: a complete count of all the
votes cast in Florida. Not recount after recount as some have charged, but
a single, full and accurate count.
We haven't had that yet. Great efforts have been made to prevent the
counting of these votes. Lawsuit after lawsuit has been filed to delay the
count and to stop the counting for many precious days between Election
Day and the deadline for having the count finished.
And this would be over long since, except for those efforts to block the
process at every turn.
In one county, election officials brought the count to a premature end in the
face of organized intimidation. In a number of counties, votes that had been
fairly counted were simply set aside. And many thousands of votes that
were cast on Election Day have not yet been counted at all, not once.
There are some who would have us bring this election to the fastest
conclusion possible. I have a different view. I believe our Constitution
matters more than convenience. So, as provided under Florida law, I have
decided to contest this inaccurate and incomplete count, in order to ensure
the greatest possible credibility for the outcome.
I agree with something Governor Bush said last night. We need to come
together as a country to make progress. But how can we best achieve that?
Our country will be stronger, not weaker, if our next president assumes
office following a process that most Americans believe is fair.
In all our hands now rest the future of America's faith in our self-government.
The American people have shown dignity, restraint and respect as the
process has moved forward.
This is America. When votes are cast, we count them. We don't arbitrarily
set them aside because it's too difficult to count them.
In the end, in one of God's unforeseen paths, this election may point us all
to a new common ground, for its very closeness can serve to remind us that
we are one people, with a shared history and a shared destiny.
So this extraordinary moment should summon all of us to become what we
profess to be: one indivisible nation. Let us pledge ourselves to the ideal
that the people's will should be heard and heeded, and then, together, let us
find what is best in ourselves and seek what is best for America.
Two hundred years from now, when future Americans study this presidential
election, let them learn that Americans did everything they could to ensure
that all citizens who voted had their votes counted. Let them learn that
democracy was ultimately placed ahead of partisan politics in resolving a
contested election. Let them learn that we were indeed a country of laws.
Thank you. God bless you, and God bless America.
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[CTRL] US Code Title 3, Chapter 1: Presidential Elections and Vacancies
-Caveat Lector- U.S. Code as of: 01/23/00 United States Code TITLE 3 - THE PRESIDENT CHAPTER 1 - PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS AND VACANCIES Section 1. Time of appointing electors The electors of President and Vice President shall be appointed, in each State, on the Tuesday next after the first Monday in November, in every fourth year succeeding every election of a President and Vice President. Section 2. Failure to make choice on prescribed day Whenever any State has held an election for the purpose of choosing electors, and has failed to make a choice on the day prescribed by law, the electors may be appointed on a subsequent day in such a manner as the legislature of such State may direct. Section 3. Number of electors The number of electors shall be equal to the number of Senators and Representatives to which the several States are by law entitled at the time when the President and Vice President to be chosen come into office; except, that where no apportionment of Representatives has been made after any enumeration, at the time of choosing electors, the number of electors shall be according to the then existing apportionment of Senators and Representatives. Section 4. Vacancies in electoral college Each State may, by law, provide for the filling of any vacancies which may occur in its college of electors when such college meets to give its electoral vote. Section 5. Determination of controversy as to appointment of electors If any State shall have provided, by laws enacted prior to the day fixed for the appointment of the electors, for its final determination of any controversy or contest concerning the appointment of all or any of the electors of such State, by judicial or other methods or procedures, and such determination shall have been made at least six days before the time fixed for the meeting of the electors, such determination made pursuant to such law so existing on said day, and made at least six days prior to said time of meeting of the electors, shall be conclusive, and shall govern in the counting of the electoral votes as provided in the Constitution, and as hereinafter regulated, so far as the ascertainment of the electors appointed by such State is concerned. Section 6. Credentials of electors; transmission to Archivist of the United States and to Congress; public inspection It shall be the duty of the executive of each State, as soon as practicable after the conclusion of the appointment of the electors in such State by the final ascertainment, under and in pursuance of the laws of such State providing for such ascertainment, to communicate by registered mail under the seal of the State to the Archivist of the United States a certificate of such ascertainment of the electors appointed, setting forth the names of such electors and the canvass or other ascertainment under the laws of such State of the number of votes given or cast for each person for whose appointment any and all votes have been given or cast; and it shall also thereupon be the duty of the executive of each State to deliver to the electors of such State, on or before the day on which they are required by section 7 of this title to meet, six duplicate-originals of the same certificate under the seal of the State; and if there shall have been any final determination in a State in the manner provided for by law of a controversy or contest concerning the appointment of all or any of the electors of such State, it shall be the duty of the executive of such State, as soon as practicable after such determination, to communicate under the seal of the State to the Archivist of the United States a certificate of such determination in form and manner as the same shall have been made; and the certificate or certificates so received by the Archivist of the United States shall be preserved by him for one year and shall be a part of the public records of his office and shall be open to public inspection; and the Archivist of the United States at the first meeting of Congress thereafter shall transmit to the two Houses of Congress copies in full of each and every such certificate so received at the National Archives and Records Administration. Section 7. Meeting and vote of electors The electors of President and Vice President of each State shall meet and give their votes on the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December next following their appointment at such place in each State as the legislature of such State shall direct. Section 8. Manner of voting The electors shall vote for President and Vice President, respectively, in the manner directed by the Constitution. Section 9. Certificates of votes for President and Vice President The electors shall make and sign six certificates of all the votes given by them, each of which certificates shall contain two distinct lists, one of the votes for President and the other of the votes for Vice President, and shall annex to each of the certificates one of
[CTRL] AFP: Gore says Florida count wrong, claims he is owed 1,800 votes
-Caveat Lector- Gore says Florida count wrong, claims he is owed 1,800 votes Source: AFP - Agence France Presse Nov 27 13:11 by Matthew Lee ATTENTION - UPDATES with Gore complaint, quotes /// TALLAHASSEE, Florida, Nov 27 (AFP) - Lawyers for Democratic candidate Al Gore described the official presidential vote tally in Florida as "wrong" Monday, saying Gore was deprived of at least 1,800 votes that would have won him the state and the White House. The official tally certified late Sunday gave Republican rival George W. Bush a 537-vote victory in the southeastern state. The Gore complaint filed by attorney Dexter Douglass here shortly after 12:15 pm (1715 GMT), contested the count in three Florida counties: Miami-Dade, Nassau and Palm Beach. In the written complaint, Gore said he would have picked up a net gain of 1,025 votes if all manual recounts had been completed and certified. He also said he would have gained a further 800 votes if counters in Palm Beach county had tallied 4,000 ballots that were marked with an indentation but were not fully punctured. In the complaint, the Gore camp said the certified election results were simply wrong. "This is an action to contest the certification that George W. Bush and Richard Cheney received more votes in the presidential election in the state of Florida than Al Gore and Joe Lieberman," it read. "The vote totals reported in the election canvassing commission certification of November 26, 2000, are wrong. "They include illegal votes, and do not include legal votes that were improperly rejected. The number of such votes is more than sufficient to place in doubt, indeed to change, the result of the election." The case was assigned to Judge Sanders Sauls, according to a court clerk. After being forced to extend the certification deadline 12 days to Sunday by aFlorida Supreme Court ruling that ordered the inclusion of manual recounts in the final tally, Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris declared Bush the victor late Sunday by just 537 votes out of some six million ballots cast. But her decision to ignore partial recounts submitted by Palm Beach as well as prior steps taken by officials in Miami-Dade and Nassau counties, drew quick denunciation from Democrats who say the official count is inaccurate and incomplete. Gore's running mate, Senator Joseph Lieberman, lashed out at Harris' certification shortly after her announcement, saying he and the vice president had "no choice" but to contest the vote counts, as is allowed under state law. "Vice President Gore and I have no choice but to contest these actions," he said, flatly rejecting calls from the Bush camp to drop the challenges and concede the election. Among their complaints, the Democrats allege that thousands of ballots in Miami-Dade were never tallied because vote-count machines could not read them. The Democrats also want the court to compel Miami-Dade electoral officials to complete their hand recount which they say was halted last week after they were intimidated by boisterous crowd of Bush supporters. Even without a full recount there, however, they say partial hand recounts showing a net gain of 156 votes for Gore in Miami-Dade should have been included in Harris' certified total. In Nassau County, Gore is contesting a decision by the canvassing board on Friday to use original vote totals, instead of the state-mandated machine recount, that cost the vice president 52 votes. "We seek restoration of the recounted total," the Gore legal team said in a summary of their filings in the circuit court here. In Palm Beach, the Democrats will try to prove that the canvassing board refused to abide by a judge's order to determine the voters' intent by refusing to count as many as 2,000 disputed ballots. mvl/cw/mdl AFP = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF: *Michael Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at:
[CTRL] [Fwd: Solution to political divide: secession]
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Subject: Solution to political divide: secession Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 09:39:38 -0600 From: "Freedom News Daily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - == F R E E D O M N E W S == - To subscribe or unsubscribe to this and other lists, click to: http://www.free-market.net/features/lists/ Freedom News in today's update: o There's an antidote to this family feud: secession o Ruling on Nazi memorabilia sparks legal debate o Libertarians tip balance in Washington state o Florida certifies Bush as winner o Canada's spiteful race ends with dire warning o War of words over green accord o Carnivore review called 'whitewash' o Medicinal marijuana study OK'd o Microsoft to file Monday in support of appeal o Brothel on the stock exchange? o Press advocates jittery about upcoming high court case o Louisiana high court to weigh laws barring city's gun lawsuit o NM Health Department may back medical marijuana law o Town moves to ban smoking - even outside o Documents show high number of minority drivers searched for drugs o Slobo and Gore: peas in a pod There's an antidote to this family feud: secession -- The author points to the national ideological and cultural split revealed by the presidential election, and half-seriously suggests dividing the country in two. (11/27/00) http://www2.startribune.com/stOnLine/cgi-bin/article?thisStory=83009537 Ruling on Nazi memorabilia sparks legal debate -- A demand by a French court that U.S.-based Yahoo! bar French Web users from auctions of Nazi memorabilia has sparked a passionate debate over the limits of jurisdictions on the Internet and the future of freedom online. (Registration required) (11/27/00) http://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/24/technology/24CYBERLAW.html Libertarians tip balance in Washington state -- Libertarian candidates upset the balance between Republicans and Democrats in Washington state, achieving major party status in the process. Across the U.S., Libertarian congressional candidates won 1.6 million votes, the best showing ever by a third party. (11/27/00) http://www.knoxnews.com/shns/story.cfm?pk=ELECT-WASH-11-24-00cat=PP Florida certifies Bush as winner -- After a count and two recounts of votes in Florida, election officials certified George W. Bush as the winner of the state's electoral votes, pushing him over the top in his fight for the presidency. Al Gore vows to continue contesting the election. (11/27/00) http://www.dallasnews.com/campaign/092000/224743_prezmain_27nat.html Canada's spiteful race ends with dire warning -- Canadians go to the polls today after a bitterly fought campaign that is likely to leave the country more divided than ever, with none of the political parties able to reach beyond regional bases. (11/27/00) http://www.nationalpost.com/home/story.html?f=/stories/20001127/384637.html War of words over green accord -- The two-week conference in The Hague on controversial measures to fight perceived global warming collapsed after the U.S. and European Union failed to settle a bitter wrangle over ways to cut greenhouse gas emissions. (11/27/00) http://www.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/europe/UK/11/27/climate.conference/index.html Carnivore review called 'whitewash' -- House Republican leader Dick Armey joined those accusing an outside review panel of putting a pro-government spin on a controversial FBI e-mail snooping tool. (11/27/00) http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,40342,00.html Medicinal marijuana study OK'd -- The federal Drug Enforcement Administration has approved a program that will allow San Mateo County, in Northern California, to give government-grown marijuana to 60 AIDS patients to assess the drug's potential health benefits. (11/27/00) http://www.dallasnews.com/national/222722_pot_24nat.ART.html Microsoft to file Monday in support of appeal -- In a filing to be submitted to the U.S. Court of Appeals, Microsoft will argue against controversial findings that it violated antitrust law and an order that the company be split in two. (11/27/00) http://cnnfn.cnn.com/2000/11/26/technology/wires/microsoft_wg/ Brothel may be listed on stock exchange -- Melbourne, Australia's, largest legal brothel, the Daily Planet, may be the first in its industry to be listed on the Australian Stock Exchange. (11/27/00) http://www.theage.com.au/news/20001127/A39257-2000Nov26.html Press advocates jittery about upcoming high court case -- If a case now before the Supreme Court goes against the media, it could open the door to lawsui
[CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] NYT: Protest Influenced Miami-Dade's Decision to Stop Recount
-Caveat Lector- There is no evidence nor record of anybody being injured nor arrested and the head of the canvassing board said they were not intimidated. Does anybody have the names of injured or arrested parties? Bob Dole said on TV that he personally asked the police about any incidence of violence and they assured him none had occurred. This type of reporting is nothing more than quoting rumors as no names are given nor specifics--just vague allegations of "two cameramen" "one person' etc. It just did not happen this way. "Public pressure" does not mean violence. AKE - Original Message - From: "Steve Wingate" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 11:12 PM Subject: [CTRL] NYT: Protest Influenced Miami-Dade's Decision to Stop Recount -Caveat Lector- November 24, 2000 MIAMI-DADE COUNTY Protest Influenced Miami-Dade's Decision to Stop Recount By DEXTER FILKINS and DANA CANEDY IAMI, Nov. 23 - The Miami- Dade County Canvassing Board's decision on Wednesday to shut down its hand recount of presidential election ballots followed a rapid campaign of public pressure that at least one of the board's three members says helped persuade him to vote to stop the counting. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] :Machine Processing May Have Left So Call Dimple
-Caveat Lector- This is from NewsForum.com Re:Machine Processing May Have Left So Call Dimple (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 27, @10:13AM EST (#146) If the machine moves the ballots using opposing rollers, it is very possible for it to create dimpled or pregnant ballots. All it would take would be a bit of dirt or a piece of chad between the ballot and one of the rollers to partially push out another chad. It has been documented that chad has been found in the counting machines after running ballots through them. At some point, this same chad was in the paper path which the ballots were following. The perforations which enable voters to push the chad out when they vote will be the points at which the card is most likely to show the effect of the loose chad. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Alien Microbe Reported Found in Earth's Atmosphere
-Caveat Lector- http://www.space.com/searchforlife/alien_bacteria_001127.html Alien Microbe Reported Found in Earth's Atmosphere By Robert Roy Britt Senior Science Writer posted: 09:40 am ET 27 November 2000 A group of scientists says it has collected an alien bacterium 10 miles above Earth, plus signatures of other extraterrestrial microbes even higher in the atmosphere. The claims were met with immediate skepticism by other scientists. The bacterium was collected 10 miles (16 kilometers) high by balloon operated by the Indian Space Research Organization. Chandra Wickramasinghe, who leads a study into the results, called the microbe a previously unknown strain of bacteria and said it likely came from a comet. Wickramasinghe and a colleague, Fred Hoyle, say the findings support an idea they pioneered, called panspermia, which holds that the seeds of life are everywhere in space and are the source for life on Earth. Matthew Genge, an expert on meteorites and cometary debris at London's Natural History Museum, said he was flabbergasted by the claim. "I don't believe the authors have provided the kind of evidence that would be needed to support their claim," Genge said. "Their announcement appears premature." Genge, who does not rule out panspermia as a possibility, said nonetheless that the supposed alien bacteria could have been previously unknown strains of terrestrial bacteria. "Hitherto unknown strains of bacteria are found virtually every day," Genge told SPACE.com. "If no one had ever seen or heard of an elephant and suddenly one was discovered this wouldn't be evidence that it comes from space." Wickramasinghe countered that procedures precluded the instruments aboard the balloon from being contaminated on the ground or on the way up, but he acknowledged the possibility of contamination at the point where the collection was made. "Earthly bacteria could get up to 15 kilometers from several sources," Wickramasinghe told SPACE.com. "Also there is a chance that unknown strains of bacteria were lofted from the heights of the Himalayas." Wickramasinghe said his group wouldn't reveal details until the microbe is studied further. High-flying bacteria Genge echoed the cautions of other scientists in saying that dust carrying terrestrial bacteria had been found in found the collection filters of NASA U2 aircraft doing similar research for 15 years. "There is in fact enormous amounts of dust from the Earth's surface at high altitude, both artificial and natural in origin, and some of it undoubtedly carries bacteria," Genge said. "Another possible form of contamination could also be human waste," Genge said. "Passenger aircraft fly at 10 miles altitude and eject human waste into the atmosphere. A fine spray of such liquid released into the atmosphere at high altitude will form tiny ice grains containing bacteria these will become widely dispersed." NASA also commented on the claim, pointing out that living spores have been found previously as high as 10 miles. "While NASA's astrobiology effort has certainly not come down on the side of panspermia, it has identified panspermia as worthy of serious investigation, along with more conventional ideas about the origin of life on Earth," said a press release out of NASA's Ames Research Center. Other scientists also urged caution in interpreting the results. Meanwhile, recent studies by other groups have boosted panspermia into the spotlight, and many leading researchers are warming to the idea that microbes may be hardy enough to endure the rigors of space travel. More evidence of alien microbes Wickramasinghe and his colleagues, based at the recently formed Cardiff Centre for Astrobiology in Wales, also studied data from a 1999 Leonid fireball, collected at 52 miles (83 kilometers) altitude. The original study on this data, produced by a team led by Ray Russell of the Aerospace Corporation, found organic compounds indicating that the building blocks of life could have survived a trip from space to Earth. Working with the Leonid fireball data in a separate study, the Cardiff team concluded that the fireball actually did contained a signature of microbes that rained down from space. The study analyzed the infrared light emitted by the fireball, which the researchers say showed signs of burning bacteria. Further, they say this signature resembled the infrared spectra of comet dust. "There is little chance if any of Earthly bacteria resident at such great heights," Wickramasinghe said. But Genge flatly refuted the group's analysis of the Leonid fireball data. "The infrared spectra of the Leonid meteors are not evidence for bacteria, nor are the infrared spectra of comets," Genge said. He added that the data show a feature that is common in all organic material. "If you took me, put me in an oven, dried me at 300 degrees and then took my infrared spectra, I'd have (this feature) too. This would certainly not be evidence that you'll find Matt
[CTRL] New Demo Logo
-Caveat Lector- @ http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2000/11/27/103619 You can see the image Monday, Nov. 27, 2000 11:33 a.m. EST Al Gore Wants Democratic Party to Change Seal AER Integrity has no need of rules. -Albert Camus (1913-1960) + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Enabling Act
-Caveat Lector- From http://www.polyconomics.com/searchbase/11-27-00.html }}Begin Memo on the Margin November 27, 2000 ARREST THE FLORIDA JUDGES!! Memo To: Attorney General Janet Reno From: Jude Wanniski Re: Grand Larceny in Tallahassee!!! Weve heard a lot of hot-under-the-collar rhetoric from partisans on both sides of the presidential campaign. Almost all of it has involved charges that either Vice President Gore or Governor Bush is trying to STEAL the election. Asked if he thinks the Democrats are trying to steal the election, former U.S. Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole thought for a moment and said he did not know whether it was petty larceny or grand larceny. My old supply-side friend, Paul Craig Roberts, does not pussyfoot, Madame Attorney General. He agrees with Governor Bush that the seven Democrats changed Florida law by judicial fiat in ordering the Secretary of State to not certify a winner in the race by the date prescribed by the law and to allow several Democratic counties to recount by hand votes already recounted by machine. Mr. Roberts, who served as an Assistant Treasury Secretary in the Reagan administration, believes the court acted in criminal fashion. I bring this to your attention because the U.S. Supreme Court will consider this issue on Friday of this week. If it decides the Florida judges did try to steal the election, I think Mr. Roberts wants you to send federal marshals to Florida to throw those judges in the clink. Here is what he had to say in his LewRockwell.com column today: Enabling Act for the Judiciary? By Paul Craig Roberts The corrupt Florida Supreme Court must be severely punished for participating in vote fraud. Impeachment is too good for the Gang of Seven. Arrest, indictment and trial are the best response to the court's criminal behavior. Republicans must not acquiescence to the Democrats misuse of judicial office to steal an election. Florida is a state where Republicans have been overwhelmingly elected to legislative and executive office. Yet, the Democratic, partisan and corrupt state Supreme Court has clearly overstepped its authority in an effort to help Democrats revote ballots to Gore's benefit. Why would seven jurists so audaciously and confidently participate in vote fraud, an illegal act, in a state where Republicans hold the balance of power? The answer is that for almost a half century ever since the 1954 Brown decision of the U.S. Supreme Court the judiciary has been gradually appropriating the legislative role, adding the power of lawmaker to its assigned role of law interpreter. Unlike the Florida Supreme Court's brazen decision to assist the Democrats in stealing a presidential election, the Brown v. Board of Education decision was in behalf of a noble cause desegregation of public schools. The Brown decision remains sullied by the means through which it was obtained an unethical ex parte collaboration between a sitting justice, Felix Frankfurter, and a litigant, Justice Department official Philip Elman. The plot achieved its goal of abolishing segregation, but the means usurped legislative authority and created a precedent inimical to democracy. The judiciary learned that whenever it can claim the moral high ground, it can legislate. Other factors have contributed to the judiciary's rising power. The larger government grew, the more involved "special interests" became in politics in order to defend and advance their interests. In the public's mind, campaign contributions and interest group politics gradually undermined the authority of the legislative branch. A tainted and sometimes stalemated legislature permitted the judiciary to make inroads into the legislative arena. With legislatures seen as agents of special interests, the judiciary has successfully ignored the constitutional separation of powers and appropriated more and more power. The Florida Supreme Court now has claimed the power to void statutory election laws when its candidate loses. The Florida vote count will not be over, the court declared, until highly partisan Democratic vote counters in a few heavily Democratic Florida counties revote enough ballots to change the election outcome. By aiding and abetting vote fraud, the court has violated the equal protection clause of the Constitution. The votes of a relatively few people in a few Florida counties are being counted according to different rules from the votes of everyone else in the state and the country. The Florida justices clearly do not
