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2001-06-21 Thread BB





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Subject: Inappropriate Attire

Now this causes me to have a rather strong reaction to this! Maybe someone
should inform the FOOL that did this that he/she has insulted all those that
have fought and died in uniform, much less those that are currently serving
in the defense of this country, which granted this nefarious slime-bucket
the honor of residing in our country.
Maybe someone in INDIANA should provide me with the email address of this
nefarious school officials and ASSociated minions  Yes, I want some
of the hair from this dog (a flank or two to eat would not be bad).
walt
-
"Two graduating seniors at Indiana's Elkhart Memorial High School were
kicked out of their graduation ceremonies for failing to comply with the
school's dress code, which, the Associated Press reports, required 'that
males must wear socks, a shirt with collar, tie and slacks.' These guys
weren't wearing ratty T-shirts, blue jeans, backward baseball caps and nose
rings. They weren't in drag. No, they were wearing Marine uniforms--dress
blues, no less.
"Pfc. David Hobbs and Pvt. Josh Beam had enlisted in the Marines, gone to
San Diego for three months of basic training and returned to graduate with
their class in Elkhart. They might as well not have bothered: 'Hobbs said
he was pulled aside by school officials and given a choice on his attire.
'They said I either had to take my (jacket) off and put on a shirt and tie o
r put a tie on my military uniform.' Hobbs said he told school officials
that neither one would be possible because military personnel can neither
wear an incomplete uniform or add anything to it that is not part of the
uniform. 'I told him several times that I was going to wear the cap and
gown,' he said. It was at that time Hobbs said he and Beam were asked to
leave and escorted out of the Joyce Center.'"
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[CTRL] [radtimes] # 205

2001-06-21 Thread radman

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[radtimes] # 205

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--Eighteen months for 'White Hat' Hacker
--Brave new babies
--14 Illegal Immigrants Die in Desert
--Human trafficking on the rise
--White House site crippled by DoS attack
--Sensitive E-mails 'Being Read By Spy Network'
--Those Seattle WTO riots? It's just a game now, folks
--China Clones Scores of Plants, Pigs, Sheep, Rabbits, Cows
--Spies hang on our every word
--U.S. 'Impediment' to Human Rights, Report Declares
--You are being watched

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Eighteen months for 'White Hat' Hacker

http://www.securityfocus.com/news/207

By Kevin Poulsen
May 21, 2001 7:00 PM PT

San Jose, Calf.--Computer security researcher and former FBI informant
Max Butler was sentenced Monday to 18 months in prison for launching
an Internet worm that crawled through hundreds of military and defense
contractor computers over a few days in 1998.

In handing down the sentence, federal judge James Ware rejected
defense attorney Jennifer Granick's argument that the Air Force, and
other victims of the worm, improperly calculated their financial
losses from the hack. The judge also declined to give Butler credit
for his brief stint as an undercover FBI informant, during which he
infiltrated a gang of hackers that had penetrated 3Com's corporate
phone network.

But the judge refused prosecutor Ross Nadel's request that Butler be
immediately taken into custody in the courtroom, and allowed the
hacker to remain free on bail until June 25th, when he's scheduled to
report to prison. With credit for good behavior, Butler will be
eligible for assignment to a community halfway house as early as April
of next year, and will be released in mid-October 2002. He'll then
serve three years of supervised release during which, under a special
order, Butler will be barred from accessing the Internet without
permission of his probation officer. Ware also ordered Butler to pay
$60,000 in restitution.

A consultant who specializes in performing penetration tests on
corporate networks, the 28-year-old remained well regarded in computer
security circles even after his March, 2000 indictment. Butler is
known for his expertise in intrusion detection: the science of
automatically analyzing Internet traffic for "signatures" indicative
of an attack, and he created arachnids, a popular open source catalog
of attack signatures that forms part of an overall public resource at
WhiteHats.com

Butler, known as "Max Vision" to friends and associates, crossed the
line in June of 1998, at a time when much of the Internet was still
vulnerable to a hole that had been discovered months earlier in a
ubiquitous piece of software called the BIND "named" domain server.
The hacker group ADM published a computer program capable of spreading
through vulnerable systems automatically. Butler launched a special
strain of the worm that penetrated systems, but also automatically
closed the BIND hole as it spread, forestalling attacks from other
hackers.

Tall and soft-spoken, wearing a blazer and rumpled cargo pants, the
hacker apologetically told Judge Ware that he got caught up in the
need to close a serious security hole.

"I got swept up," said Butler. "It's hard to explain the feelings of
someone who's gotten caught up in the computer security field... I
felt at the time that I was in a race. That if I went in and closed
the holes quickly, I could do it before people with more malicious
intentions could use them."

Butler did not address why he left malevolent features from the ADM
worm in his own program, including one that created a secret back door
on every system it penetrated.

"What I did was reprehensible," Butler told the court. "I've hurt my
reputation in the computer security field. I've hurt my family and
friends."

Judge Ware emphasized the need to deter other hackers. "There's a need
for those who would follow your footsteps to know that this can result
in incarceration," said Ware.

===

Brave new babies

http://www.newscientist.com/newsletter/news.jsp?id=ns229228

An automated IVF chip could lead to production-line embryos

by Anil Ananthaswamy
  From New Scientist magazine, 26 May 2001.

THE children of the future may be conceived and spend their first few days
of development on a computer-controlled chip.

In a move recalling Aldous Huxley's famous production lines for making
babies in Brave New World, researchers in the US are building a "chip" that
can automatically carry out all the steps involved in IVF, from fertilising
eggs to preparing embryos for 

Re: [CTRL] bugs bunny study or Roger Rabbit ?

2001-06-21 Thread Smart News

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Dear List,

Below please find information on this.

Sincerely,  Neil Brick


This may be heavy for survivors of abuse.

I have permission to forward this.

Subject: False Memories of Bugs Bunny in Disneyland

Creating False Memories of Bugs Bunny in Disneyland? Was this
solid scientific research? Or were these so-called false memories
more of a confusion about amusements parks in which they saw a
big rabbit and the name of this rabbit. Consider the following:

6/17/2001

Dear Disneyland Resort Guest:

Thank you for your recent letter to the Disneyland Resort.

Roger Rabbit does occasionally visit with our Guests
here at Disneyland, however we never know in advance
when he might visit.  We apologize for any disappointment
this may cause.

Once again, thank you for taking the time to write.  We hope
you will have the opportunity to visit the Disneyland Resort
in the near future and trust your visit will be pleasant in all
regards.

Sincerely,

Disneyland Resort
Guest Communications

Be sure to check out FASTPASS at Disneyland!  Just click below for more
information:

http://disneyland.disney.go.com/disneylandresort/ResortInfo/FastPass/index


Or perhaps the experiment's subjects were confused by the
fact that they had memories of being in a Six Flags Park --
these parks feature Bugs Bunny.

http://www.sixflags.com/worldsofadventure/



original article :
 http://www.nationalpost.com/home/story.html?f=/stories/20010613/589948.html
 June 13, 2001
 Researchers create false memories with greatest of ease
 Bugs planted in test subjects' minds
 Joseph Brean
 National Post

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Re: [CTRL] Woman Drowns 5 Children in TX

2001-06-21 Thread Schmidt

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>>It may be just a coincidence, or there be may be some connection between magnetic 
>disturbances and/or HAARP, and violent acts committed by individuals on psychotropic 
>medications, especially antidepressants, many of which contain fluorine.

I didn't realise that, I must ask my psychiatrist if the anti-depressants he seems to 
think I gobble down at his command contain flourine, if so I will refuse to take them.

It's a worry, some time back I was abusing my brother for drinking all my bottled 
water because I didn't want to have to drink tapwater laced with mind-control 
chemicals. He claims that 'they' know about people like me so all the bottled water 
has extra mind-control chemicals.


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[CTRL] NorioHayakowa: On 6/3 Area 51 Rally: County Commissioner admits he drove "Area 51 [Attempted Vehicular Manslaughter] " truck!! (fwd)

2001-06-21 Thread MIKE SPITZER

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Subject: County Commissioner admits he drove "Area 51" truck!!


News Flash!

LINCOLN COUNTY COMMISSIONER ADMITS HE WAS DRIVER OF FORD TRUCK ON GROOM
LAKE ROAD

June 20, 2001, PANACA, Nevada  --  James Manner, Lincoln County
Commissioner and resident of Panaca,
Nevada, today admitted that he was the driver of the white Ford truck on
Groom Lake Road on Sunday, June 3, 2001, when the People's Rally at Area 51
was taking  place.

Manner stated that he was not aware that he is about to be charged with
attempted vehicular manslaughter.

"I didn't want to be stopped by those 'folks' and I had no intention of
bodily harm", said Manner.

He also said that he "slowed down" when he saw the crowd at the restricted
boundary line.

But, according to eye-witnesses, instead of slowing down, Manner was
alleged to have stepped on the gas pedal to 50 to 60 miles per hour as he
began to see the crowd and did not honk at all.

Manner also today admitted that he works for the D.O.E.  However, he did
not mention that he was on his way to work at Groom Lake, even though he
sped past the boundary line towards Groom Lake (Area 51) base.

He said that he will talk to the District Attorney on Thursday.

###

Related Links:

Area 51 worker cited by BLM for vehicular endangerment at rally:

http://www.sightings.com/general11/51d.htm


Criminal charges to be filed against Area 51 base worker:

http://www.sightings.com/general11/51.htm



(The question here is:  what was a Lincoln County Commissioner doing at
Area 51/Groom Lake?)


For Additional information:

Lincoln County Board of Commissioners
Lincoln County Courthouse
Pioche, Nevada 89043
Tel. (775-962-5390


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[CTRL] Sharon War Criminal: Stupid gullible Liberals and Palestinian propaganda. 2/2

2001-06-21 Thread Nurev Ind.

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"From Israel To Damascus The painful road of Blood, Betrayal and Deception"

By Robert M. Hatem  http://www.israeltodamascus.com/

[ end of chapter 7 ]

On Tuesday September 14, 1982, at precisely 4:10 P.M, an explosion
destroyed the three-story building that housed the main East Beirut branch
of
the Kataeb Party. Bashir Gemayel was inside the building for one last
meeting
with the party members and supporters. Bashir, the 34-year-old
president-elect, nine days before he was due to take office for his
six-year
term, had grown careless in the prevalent euphoria of his newly acquired
power and position. Oversight on Bashir Gemayel’s part and his new
antagonism towards the Israelis, allowed his enemies to successfully attack
and kill him.  Bashir was careless. The Special Security Unit conducted by Elie
Wazzen, alias «Abbas», who coordinated with H.K  supplied Wazzen with
information.   Elie Wazzen profited  during the year he commanded the unit,
because he orchestrated all arms deals. The least he could do was to take
good care of his «master» when the need arose!

The explosion was reported a few minutes after it took place. Elie Hobeika
dispatched me to inspect the premises. I was accompanied by the Israeli
Liaison officer called «Mandy».  As we struggled through the rubble, we saw
bits of arms, legs, heads and shoulders strewn among the collapsed pillars. A
gray-black cloud of dust and smoke billowed through the neighborhood. The
street in front of the collapsed building was crammed with hysterical people
crying and bellowing. Sheikh Bashir’s wife, Solange, arrived a few minutes
after us. Karim Pakradouni, Gemayel’s close political adviser shuttled in his
Range Rover between the explosion site, Rizk Hospital and Hotel Dieu before
identifying the President -elect’s obliterated body.

By 6:00 p.m., the tension had become unbearable. The rescue workers were
trying to clear the rubble under arc lights. I was there with «Mandy» who
could not keep from crying. A wave of hallucinations seemed to take hold of
the crowd. Everybody, even the most noted international pressmen, dreamed
they had seen an ambulance carrying Bashir away, an ambulance which, in
fact, never existed except in their ravaged minds.

Later, a helicopter flew overhead and was driven off by the random
shooting.
Rumors started circulating like a flash in the pan, when somebody in the
panic-stricken and angry crowd shouted that it was an Israeli helicopter sent
to take Bashir to a hospital in Israel. But none of this was true and we knew
it.
The Israelis had the confirmation of Bashir’s death long before the Lebanese
forces did. They had the firm certitude at 8.30 p.m. while the Lebanese
Forces command waited until Gemayel’s body was removed at 10:00 p.m.
and carried by a Red Cross ambulance to the Hotel-Dieu.

Collective hallucination mixed with mass hysteria and chaos blurred common
sense. There, clamped down in front of the battered building, stood aghast
rescue workers, family members, mentors, Kataeb party officials, members,
supporters, friends, medical teams, military and militiamen.
Instead of six years in office, Bashir, had only 23 days, but 23 days during
which a myth was born. A myth that would soon become a stumbling block
and an element of strife and conflict within the Christian ranks: Christian
decision-makers, Lebanese forces, clans, Presidency.

The assassination of Bashir Gemayel pushed his tough, ruthless and
bloodthirsty lieutenants, and the Israelis into a hysterical rage and enraged
them to vow vengeance. Sharon and Begin panicked. It is true that Bashir had
disappointed them by turning down their peace treaty proposal, but they knew
he would restore peace, law and order and shake off the Palestinian and
Syrian tutelage. He was likely to bend in the end because with him they
secured, at least a friendly Christian-dominated regime in Lebanon.
In the meantime, Gemayel’s political adviser Karim Pakradouni, and the
Lebanese Forces commander Fady Frem had in the meantime agreed to
contain the militiamen. Shooting was prohibited. Meetings at the highest levels
were held through the night.  Beirut Radio, Kataeb Party’s Radio Voice of
Lebanon, Bashir’s Radio Free Lebanon interrupted their usual programs and
broadcast classical music without one single comment.

The assassination of Bashir Gemayel destroyed the Christians ultimate dream.
It sullied Israel’s honor, undermined American credibility and above all,
ushered to an era of bloody inter-Christian feuds, treason and battles that
led
to the collapse of the power of the Lebanese Christian people who were burnt
down by the leaders who took over.

CHAPTER 8

On the morning of Wednesday, September 15, 1982, the Lebanese forces
met at the Gemayel house in Bickfaya.  The house was crammed with
mourners, and the attendees decided to run Amin, Bashir’s brother, for the
president.  While all of Lebanon’s religious, political, military and
civilian
leaders an

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AIDS misery in Zimbabwe mirrors Africa's plight

By Cris Chinaka

  
NYIKA, Zimbabwe, June 22 (Reuters) - While the world's political elite meets
in New York this month to plan the war against the AIDS epidemic, the people
of Nyika village in Zimbabwe will be burying more of their dead.

Nyika epitomises the total devastation and human misery brought on by
HIV-AIDS affecting a staggering 25 million people across Africa, the
epicentre of the global AIDS catastrophe.

Even if the U.N. General Assembly agrees a battle-plan at its first AIDS
summit meeting starting on June 25, it will be too late for most of the
people in Nyika.

Agnes Moyondizvo, a 72-year-old grandmother, cannot remember the last time a
week passed in this southern African village without a funeral or a death
because of AIDS.

"Sometimes I have this feeling that God has abandoned us, and that this is
the way we are all going to perish...At the rate at which this disease is
killing us, I don't think there will be any survivors here in two years'
time," Moyondizvo said.

She has already buried two of her own eight children and three grandchildren
in the past three years. In the five days before she spoke to this
correspondent, five more people died in her tiny village of 40 families, all
of them linked to HIV-AIDS.

"We still mourn our beloved but very few people shed any tears. Maybe it's
because people have cried so much that they don't have tears anymore," she
said.

The village cemetery is marked with fresh graves. Loved ones lie beneath
freshly dug mounds of earth at family homesteads.

Nyika, some 350 km (220 miles) southeast of the capital Harare, has become
home to scores of AIDS orphans and many of the village's small farm plots are
lying idle because of a lack of healthy adult workers.

More and more villagers are queuing for meagre and scarce aid from the
cash-strapped government, according to Moyondizvo.

U.N. TO TACKLE AFRICAN MISERY

The misery in Nyika is repeated through Zimbabwe and the entire African
continent where the vast majority of sufferers cannot get access to proper
drugs or adequate health facilities to help treat their condition.

The United Nations meeting aims to lay the basis for a broad multi-billion
dollar strategy to tackle AIDS worldwide.

A plan to rescue Africa from its AIDS crisis is vital to get drugs to where
they are desperately needed and to build a health infrastructure able to deal
with this unprecedented calamity.

Africa is home to more than 25 million people living with HIV-AIDS. Only a
tiny minority can afford drugs which prolong life or which treat diseases
linked to AIDS.

Most are condemned to die in abject conditions, many ostracised by their own
communities.

Four of the five countries most hurt by AIDS are in Africa, led by South
Africa which has more AIDS sufferers than anywhere else, followed by Nigeria,
Kenya and Ethiopia, according to U.N. estimates.

In five African countries -- Botswana, Lesotho, Swaziland, Zambia and
Zimbabwe -- at least one in five adults are HIV-positive.

In the hardest hit, Botswana, people are dying at an average of 23 years
earlier than they would be without AIDS.

Health officials say Zimbabwe has one of the world's highest rates of AIDS
cases, with more than a quarter of its 14 million people estimated to be
infected with the HIV virus.

AIDS is killing at least 2,000 people a week, and experts predict Zimbabwe
could become the first country in the world to record zero percent population
growth next year.

The United Nations children's fund Unicef projects that Zimbabwe's average
life expectancy would drop to 27 years within the next decade from a current
44 years and 62 years in 1990.

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By Cris Chinaka

  
NYIKA, Zimbabwe, June 22 (Reuters) - While the world's political elite meets
in New York this month to plan the war against the AIDS epidemic, the people
of Nyika village in Zimbabwe will be burying more of their dead.

Nyika epitomises the total devastation and human misery brought on by
HIV-AIDS affecting a staggering 25 million people across Africa, the
epicentre of the global AIDS catastrophe.

Even if the U.N. General Assembly agrees a battle-plan at its first AIDS
summit meeting starting on June 25, it will be too late for most of the
people in Nyika.

Agnes Moyondizvo, a 72-year-old grandmother, cannot remember the last time a
week passed in this southern African village wit

[CTRL] Sharon War Criminal: Stupid gullible Liberals and Palestinian propaganda. 1/2

2001-06-21 Thread Nurev Ind.

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SHARON THE WAR CRIMINAL

Let's see how propaganda works. The test case can be the current attempt by
pro-Palestinian groups and individuals to demonize Ariel Sharon as
the butcher of Sabra and Shatilla. This has been going on for two decades,
but the latest ploy is charging him with war crimes in the international
court in Belgium where a Palestinian woman is bringing the charges against
the Israeli head of state. This woman was raped and members of her family
were brutally massacred by Christian Militiamen who hated the Palestinians
for THEIR brutal occupation of Southern Lebanon and the numerous atrocities
perpetrated by the great Palestinian fighters who were ultimately driven
out by Sharon.

Does this woman ( or even ANYBODY ELSE ) bring charges against the known
rapists and killers? Of course not. There is no political advantage in
doing that. Do you feel the cynicism?

This should be seen as politically driven. Not only by the Palestinians
(who know the truth and are using the tragedy of Sabra & Shatilla
the same way they cynically use the deaths of their own children to achieve
the status of super victim), but also those with specific political agenda
like the BBC, as well as most of the Euro media who's economies depend on
Arab oil from the Middle East, and have no particular intrest in Jews.

The Palestinians have gotten to understand that their most receptive mass
audience in the West are Liberals. Liberals respond to victimology as
Pavlov's dogs responded to bells. They begin to salivate for the opportunity
to prove to themselves and other Liberals what good people they are by
sympathizing with a perceived victim while actually doing nothing of
consequence.

This is how the USA and Euro Globalists got a majority of their citizens
to back the destruction of Yugoslavia. The aggressors, the Albanian
Separatists, were presented as victims of the evil Serbs even though they
were paid by the CIA and German Secret Services to start a secessionist
revolt in a country which the Globalists wanted to destroy for being a
non-Capitalist economy. By doing this, the West's ( war criminal ) media
began a one sided exposition of the horrors of civil war.

PR firms were hired to plan and manage the " victimization " of the Albanians.
This worked splendidly. Gullible Liberals, were the specific target of this
campaign because they are the current majorities in both the US and the EU.
But being a majority does not mean that they are not shallow and stupid.

NATO destroyed an old reliable ally who helped save Europe from Hitler by
forcing the Germans to start Barbarosa much later than planned. The Serb
rebellion tied up German armor until the Serbs were defeated and sent to
concentration camps to die. They were directly responsible for Germany's
late winter invasion of Russia.

The Albanians ( like the Palestinians ) were Nazi allies.

But the Albanians, led by the KLA, were then, and are now the biggest drug
dealers in Europe. They are also the major group responsible for for the
sex/slave trade of Eastern European girls. Their drug and slave base is in
Kosovo.

But hey! That's all OK. Why? Because they were accepted as victims.

gullible -

adj. easily cheated or tricked; credulous

n. gullibility

adv. gullibly

gullible
modif.
 — Syn.  innocent, trustful, simple; see naive.
See credulous, superstitious, trusting

Nurev

PS: Be sure to read part 2. You will find quite a surprise.

+
Witness to Sabra and Shatila:
why Sharon is a war criminal

15 JUNE 2001
Dr. Ben Alofs
http://metimes.com/2K1/issue2001-24/opin/witness_to_sabra.htm

I am a Dutch doctor, currently living in north Wales. In the summer
of 1982 I was working as a nurse in West Beirut, which at the time
was being besieged by the Israeli army.

The American negotiator Philip Habib had mediated an agreement,
according to which the Israeli army would refrain from occupying West
Beirut after the Palestinian fedayeen guerrillas had left.

A second fundamental aspect of the agreement was that the United
States would guarantee the security of the remaining Palestinian
civilian population.

The evacuation, supervised by an international peacekeeping force,
went smoothly, and was completed on September 1, much earlier than
September 26, the date that had been agreed on.

The international peacekeeping force left between September 10 and
13. On September 3 the first violation of the Habib agreement took
place when Israeli forces occupied Bir Hassan in the southern suburbs
of Beirut. Before that, Israeli Defense Minister Ariel Sharon had
stated he wanted the peacekeeping forces out of Beirut.

After the assassination of Bashir Gemayel, the charismatic and
ruthless leader of the Maronite Phalangist allies of Israel, Sharon
ordered the invasion of West Beirut under the pretext of restoration
of 'law and order'.

Contrary to this statement, West Beirut was perfectly quiet at that
moment.

Re: [CTRL] FW: The Rising Police State

2001-06-21 Thread Nessie

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>Unfortunately the article is scary in that it implies that nothing can
be done to stem the tide.  Is that true?


That remains to be seen. 

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Re: [CTRL] Well now ain't aol having fun. They just deleted everyone from aol off the list

2001-06-21 Thread Nessie

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> it doesn't get *that* big 


That depends on the size of your HD.


>and you can always archive them or write it to cd

that's great, if you own a CD writer.


Please remember that people who read this list aren't all rich, nor do
we all have the latest, greatest, biggest, fastest equipment.

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Re: [CTRL] Europe's Echelon

2001-06-21 Thread tenebroust

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Any country that did not jump on the bandwagon on this one would have to be far out of 
the loop.  The fact that other countries are doing the same thing should not be a 
surprise to anyone.  There are dollars to be made spying on people, and the 
governments are in it for the gain, for them and their homegrown corporations.




On Thu, 21 June 2001, William Shannon wrote:

>
> HREF="http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,44689,00.html";>http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,44689,00.html
> 
> 
> 
> Does Europe Covet Own Echelon?
> By HREF="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]%3Fsubject=Does%20Europe%20Covet%20Own%20Echelon%3F";>Steve
> Kettmann FACE="Arial" LANG="0">
> 
> LANG="0">12:29 p.m. June 20, 2001 PDT FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">
> SRC="http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/static.wired.com/news/images/spacer.gif";
> WIDTH="89" HEIGHT="21" BORDER="0">FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">
> BRUSSELS, Belgium -- Maurizio Turco, an Italian member of the European
> Parliament, shook up the last scheduled meeting of the temporary committee
> investigating the Echelon interception system in more ways than one Wednesday
> afternoon.
> 
> Turco, who describes himself as a "radical," charged that the committee's
> year-long investigation may have raised international awareness about the
> satellite-based surveillance system, but it was in effect nothing more than a
> smokescreen.
> 
> "The fact is, the Europeans set the whole thing up to distract attention
> while they set up their own system," Turco alleged. Committee chairman Carlos
> Coelho dismissed Turco's accusation as an attempt to grab the spotlight for
> himself, and there was no question that HREF="http://www.europarliament.net/ir_it.html";>Turco has his own agenda.
> 
> Minutes after the meeting started, Turco moved for an adjournment on the
> grounds that parliamentary procedure had been violated by the failure to
> translate and circulate all the minutes from previous Echelon committee
> meetings.
> 
> What at first seemed a mere attention-grabbing ploy set off a lengthy
> discussion, and in the end the committee postponed its final vote on its
> resolution. It also delays consideration of the final version of a 113-page
> report on Echelon, prepared by Rapporteur Gerhard Schmid, a German Parliament
> member.
> 
> Now, a vote on whether to submit a formal protest to the United States
> concerning Echelon, originally planned for Thursday, has been pushed back to
> July 3. But whether or not Turco -- president of a block called the Radical
> MEPs of the Lista Bonino -- was grandstanding, his charge that Europe is
> establishing its own Echelon-type system was not dismissed lightly. The
> reasoning is simple enough: If the United States and its partners are
> monitoring telephone calls, faxes and e-mail through Echelon, can anyone be
> surprised if other governments covet similar capabilities?
> 
> Ilka Schroeder, a German Green Party member who spoke at the meeting, said
> that while she often disagrees with Turco, she thinks he might have a point
> about European efforts to establish their own version of Echelon.
> 
> She referred to recent talks among European ministers concerning the
> expansion of a program called HREF="http://www.fipr.org/polarch/enfopol19.html";>ENFOPOL to include such 
>sensitive areas as
> credit-card information and IP ports.
> 
> "This could be much worse than Echelon," Schroeder said. "If this is a report
> (from the Echelon committee) that pretends to protect the fundamental right
> to privacy in the European Union, then it must talk about ENFOPOL, because
> that could be a worse threat to privacy than Echelon.
> 
> 
> "Even as a member of Parliament, it is hard to get information about what
> they have decided. They aim to have complete surveillance of anyone in the
> European Union in real time."
> 
> Her position is that all secret services are fundamentally untrustworthy and
> ought to be disbanded.
> 
> She objects to the Echelon committee's emphasis on trying to bring the
> satellite-based surveillance activities of the United States -- in league
> with Great Britain, New Zealand, Australia and Canada -- under some kind of
> legal oversight, perhaps even through the World Trade Organization.
> 
> "This is not a matter of law," she said. "Secret services have broken laws so
> many times, you cannot just make a law. Any democratic control makes secret
> services more legitimate."
> 
> As for whatever efforts are underway to give Europe an Echelon-type system,
> Turco said he was serious about the charges he made in the meeting.
> 
> "I think that certainly in Europe, there is the political will to establish a
> snooping system which has the same technical aspects as Echelon, a kind of
> European Echelon," he said. "Surely in Germany, for example, there is already
> the technology that makes it possible."
> 
> Coelho, the Portugese Christian Democrat who oversees the committee

Re: [CTRL] FW: The Rising Police State

2001-06-21 Thread tenebroust

-Caveat Lector-

Very thought provoking.  Since the police are more constrained by the purse strings of 
federal administrators they more and more become the handmaidens of the federal 
authorities and have no leeway to act.  The more there is a war mentality, of the us 
against them mindset which permeates this country (the war against drugs in 
particular) the more this will escalate until there comes a day when we have Generals 
in command of our local sheriff's office.  Unfortunately the article is scary in that 
it implies that nothing can be done to stem the tide.  Is that true?





On Thu, 21 June 2001, Nessie wrote:

>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> J.A.I.L. News Journal
> 
> Los Angeles, California   June
> 20,
> 2001
>
>
> The Rising Police State
>
>
> Former Cop - "Law Enforcement Is The Police State's Servant"
> >From J.D. Tuccille c. 2001 About.com  6-15-1
>
> Several months ago, I penned a column called "Cops who say 'no'" that
> turned out to be one of the more thoroughly hashed-over pieces that I've
> churned out. As happens when I have lots of white space to fill, I waxed
> philosophic and evoked my inner literary self even quoting Ralph Waldo
> Emerson on the way to making a simple point. I suggested that in an age
> of
> proliferating laws that micromanage our lives and that involve
> ever-scarier
> law-enforcement powers, police officers have an obligation to consider
> the
> morality of the laws they enforce, and to refuse to enforce laws that
> have
> no business on the books.
>
> It's nice to be noticed, and my e-mail soon demonstrated that people
> have been paying attention. Messages pro and con streamed in, with a
> preponderance of readers saying that they agreed with the point I was
> making.
>
> Dissenters tended to use stronger language, leaving me only one possible
> response: My mother is not! - or not so that you can prove, anyway.
>
> Among the more interesting messages was a note from a retired police
> officer (I've checked his credentials) who served with a major
> urban-area
> law-enforcement agency, and so has more first-hand familiarity with
> modern policing than I hope to ever have. This former officer, who asked
> me
> not to use his name so that he gets no more grief at reunion picnics
> than
> necessary, suggested that my heart might be in the right place, but I
> just
> don't understand the depths of the problem.
>
> Rather than paraphrase what the one-time police officer said so well, I
> reproduce his note below... ___
>
> I was a police officer for many years and am now retired. It is apparent
> to me that you suffer a few misunderstandings of the police officer's
> job.
> However, that is not to say that you aren't right. There are many laws
> that are stupid, wrong, unconstitutional, feel-good (hate crimes come to
> mind) and silly.
>
> Each police officer is given discretionary decision-making power. That
> means that barring the commission of six particular crimes (Burglary,
> Arson,
> Rape, Robbery, Murder and Mayhem) a police officer may decide for him or
> herself whether to arrest, report, release in the field, or simply to do
> nothing.
>
> For decades, I nullified bad laws (e.g., concealed carry of a weapon by
> honest citizens, gambling and prostitution) and so did many other
> officers.
> We did it because we had the power to and it was the right thing to do.
>
> Before you suggest how to correct modern day law enforcement, I suggest
> you
> first review the reason modern local law enforcement is becoming the
> police
> state's handmaiden.
>
> It is simple: Federal influence. Since the Nixon / Mitchell
> Administration,
> federal funds, training, hiring standards and procedures have penetrated
> into local law enforcement in an insidious manner.
>
> Training is of the siege mentality type, fear is inculcated in training,
> and
> the belief that no one needs a firearm but the police is encouraged and
> fostered.
>
> Waco was made possible by a perjured affidavit swearing that a drug lab
> was on the premises. They lied and got the army to help under Titles 26
> and
> 32, USC. These are the same people who have been training local law
> enforcement for decades. Until we can remove the federal influence in
> local
> law enforcement, it will just get worse. Hell, it may not even be
> reversible.
>
> I respect your intentions, but there is a hell of a lot you don't know
> about
> how bad it has gotten in local law enforcement. Many of these kids have
> never read the Constitution, nor have they been required to. They also
> have
> a natural antipathy towards armed citizens as a result of brainwashing
> in
> primary and secondary school. Many are also unrestrained and unfamiliar
> with
> self-discipline. This can be fatal if not harmful to an innocent who is
> doing nothing more than lawfully owning a firearm.
>
> The job is one of the safest there is statistically, an

Re: [CTRL] [wtpatltotrtf] From Ron / From Pam Schuffert in Germany

2001-06-21 Thread Bill Howard

-Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 6/21/01 3:06:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< > Another newsletter, Monetary and Economic Review, reported in March 1993
> that "reports are coming in of railroad cars that are specially equipped
> with shackles built into the walls for prisoner transport. One railroad
car
> in the Cut Bank, Montana area was loaded with handcuffs, shackles and
> guillotines. Sound bizarre?" Well, yes, now that you mention it,
especially >>

This is the second time around for this story. I remember reading it several
years ago. It refuses to die, just like the story about the Post Office
planning to tax E-Mail.

BHoward

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[CTRL] CBS- Market Manipulation In California?

2001-06-21 Thread William Shannon
http://cbsnews.cbs.com/now/story/0,1597,297834-412,00.shtml



Market Manipulation?

Former Power Plant Employees: Company Manipulated Power Supply 

Ind. System Operator Accused Power Co. Of Withholding Power 

Former Employees Scheduled To Testify Before The State 


SAN DIEGO, June 21, 2001

(CBS) After deregulation, Duke Energy bought four California power plants. 
The company appears to hold the record for the highest price ever charged for 
electricity — almost $3,900 a megawatt. 

Before the energy crisis the average price was only $30, reports CBS News 
Correspondent Vince Gonzales. 

In an exclusive interview, workers from Duke's South Bay Power Plant tell CBS 
News how they think Duke may have pushed up prices. 

"Their exact quote was they're making more money than they ever thought 
possible," recalled Glenn Jonson. 

Johnson, who was a mechanic at the South Bay plant for more than 20 years, 
supports what state investigators say happened across California — units were 
shut down unnecessarily in order to shrink the supply of electricity. 

"I felt I was directed at pieces of equipment that didn't need to be taken 
down at that particular period of time," said Johnson. 

Johnson also claims Duke ordered maintenance shutdowns even though he didn't 
have the needed parts. 

"Looking back at it, it would tell me they wanted the load limited," said 
Johnson. Asked if that meant less power would be coming out of the plant and 
higher prices, Johnson replied, "Correct." 

Ed Edwards knows why they had to wait for spare parts. A supervisor ordered 
him to get rid of them. 

"I explained to him, 'Man, that's good stuff. These are parts we can use.' 
And so I took a forklift and I disposed of some 23 palettes of good 
inventory," said Edwards. 

And after 22 years at the plant, he couldn't understand Duke's decision to 
constantly run the most expensive turbine that produced the least power. 

"I cant tell you (why Duke would do that). My opinion would be it had 
something to do with economics," said Edwards. 



Jimmey Olkjer is no economist, but he was an assistant control room operator 
at the plant. 

"Why do you think they ran it so much? It cost more to run so you can charge 
more for each megawatt," said Olkjer. 

Control room logs obtained by CBS News show Duke Energy Trading and Marketing 
(DETM) ordered power levels to quickly rise and fall — something Olkjer says 
never occurred before deregulation at Duke. 

"Well, that means to me they were manipulating the market," said Olkjer. 

"We stand behind our maintenance practices and have done a good job keeping 
the power flowing," said Duke spokesman Tom Williams. 

Williams says the expensive turbine met demand and environmental 
requirements. And as for the logs, Duke says every change in power level was 
ordered by the state. 

"The state ordered us to do make those changes," he said. 

The ISO or Independent System Operator, which has already accused Duke of 
withholding power 80 percent of the time last year, is checking its own logs 
and may have some answers Friday, when the plant workers are scheduled to 
testify before a state committee on price-fixing. 

"This needs to be exposed. When I look at my bill every month, having the 
knowledge of what's going on behind the scenes, I think it's a crime that 
everybody's paying the amount of money that they are," said Edwards. 

"It just seems to be morally wrong. There is a thing about making a fair 
profit and there is nothing fair about this," said Johnson. 






[CTRL] USA TODAY As DoD Cyber-War Propaganda Mouthpiece

2001-06-21 Thread William Shannon
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/19884.html



USA Today as DoD cyber-war propaganda mouthpiece
By Thomas C Greene in Washington
Posted: 21/06/2001 at 17:23 GMT

Anyone seeking advanced tuition in passing off government propaganda as news 
ought to consult USA Today columnist Andrea Stone's recent item entitled 
"Cyberspace: The next battlefield" for an exhaustive master-class in exactly 
what not to do if one entertains hopes of pulling the wool over their 
readers' eyes on behalf of the State. 

So crude is Stone's work here that it unintentionally recommends itself for 
pedagogical use thus: 

Confluence of interest 
First off, it's generally wise to avoid quoting exclusively those people who 
maintain a vested interest in the very thesis one's 'news item' promotes. 
This practice tends to tip off readers to one's partiality, and should be 
discouraged. 

In Stone's case, the thesis is that evil hacking masterminds in Russia, North 
Korea, Iraq, Libya, Cuba, Israel and China are poised to cripple all of 
Christendom at any second with the click of a mouse. 

In support of this, Stone foolishly limits her sources to US Defense 
Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, who likes the idea of diverting public funds to 
cyber defense (hey, it's not his money); Clinton Administration Deputy 
Defense Secretary John Hamre, who made a career of terrifying anyone who 
would listen of an "electronic Pearl Harbor" which remains forever just 
around the corner; Congressional Research Service defense analyst Steven 
Hildreth, who needs something to analyze to keep his job; National Defense 
University instructor Dan Kuehl, who likewise needs something to teach; US 
Army Major General Dave Bryan, who needs someone to fight; and iDefense CEO 
James Adams, whose vast pocketbook feeds rapaciously off the hacker hysteria 
of all the above, and who needs your support so their budgets will continue 
to accommodate his ambitions. 

And no one else. 

Now, the smart way to go about persuading readers of this improbable nonsense 
would be to quote the relevant government apparatchiks and opportunistic 
defense-contracting plutocrats in such a way as to appear impartial while 
subtly privileging their message. 

This can be accomplished by interviewing a number of opponents as well, and 
then filtering all the quotes in a clever manner. For example, one might 
arrange the source material in two columns on a note pad: Column A with a 
series of quotes from the people one wants readers to take seriously; Column 
B with a series of quotes from nay-saying critics one wants dismissed out of 
hand. 

One needs only re-arrange the Column A material in descending order of 
rationality and the Column B material in ascending order of rationality, and 
then run the top three or four items from both. 

See how easy that is? All normal human beings naturally say both smart things 
and stupid things whenever they open their mouths, so you simply run the 
smart things said by the ones you want believed, and the stupid things said 
by those you don't. Malicious journalism 101 so far as we're concerned, but 
too advanced for Andrea Stone. Yet quite instructive. 

Talk the walk 
Whenever one resorts to technical or professional jargon in a government 
press release masquerading as a news item like Stone's cyberwar exposé, it's 
advisable to have at least a general notion of what it all means. 

Furthermore, in a lowbrow publication like USA Today it's desirable to 
include a four-color pie chart laying it all out graphically for the 
blockheads in the audience, whose dependable lack of imagination spares its 
publishers from bankruptcy; but even this level of intellectual condescension 
necessitates a rudimentary command of the underlying concepts. 

Stone errs by underestimating the intelligence of the USA Today enthusiast 
with technical expressions which even the slowest of wit will detect are 
tossed about with self-consciousness and uncertainty. A glance at her roundup 
of the 'tech stuff' tells us all we need to know: 

Analysts say the US arsenal likely includes malevolent "Trojan horse" 
viruses, benign-looking codes that can be inserted surreptitiously into an 
adversary's computer network. They include: 

Logic bombs. Malicious codes that can be triggered on command. 

Worms. Programs that reproduce themselves and cause networks to overload. 

Sniffers. "Eavesdropping" programs that can monitor and steal data in a 
network. 

A nice try, but it won't quite do. The explanations are about as opaque to 
the uninitiated as the phrases themselves. Someone hasn't done their 
homework, and we don't have to know what she's talking about to sense that she
 doesn't know what she's talking about. 

A quick Google session would have turned up all she'd care to know about 
Trojans and logic bombs and worms and sniffers, and the (sometimes subtle) 
distinctions among them; but apparently that's too much to ask. She would 
have learned, and might have mentio

Re: [CTRL] Muslim Woman Denied French ID Over Headscarf (fwd)

2001-06-21 Thread Foxter



So June what changed things with the Islams?

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  YnrChyldzWyld 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 8:07 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] Muslim Woman Denied 
  French ID Over Headscarf (fwd)
  
  


  

From: Prudence L. Kuhn
>The Prophet Muhammad himself would>probably be puzzled at 
the dress of Muslim women today and possibly by the>strange 
behavior of Muslim men towards Muslim women. It is recorded that 
he>had respect and consideration towards women. One of his wives 
became a hoja.
Just as Jesus would probably be as equally puzzled with the strange 
behavior and hate that many of those who call themselves 'Christian' 
display...
 
Islam was originally quite positive towards women, and Islamic women 
of the Middle Ages enjoyed much more autonomy and respect in their 
societies than Christian women of the same era received in theirs.  
Not only did Mohammed show respect and deference to women, his daughters 
were the ones who carried on his message after his death and were 
accorded full rights and the same respect that their father had 
had...
 
 
 
 
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Re: [CTRL] Woman Drowns 5 Children in TX

2001-06-21 Thread Steve

On 21 Jun 01, at 0:52, Wes Thomas wrote:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
>
> >There are plenty of depressed women who don't kill their
> >children. I think that there are many questions that need to be answered
> >about how and why this incident occurred.
>
> Right. News reports indicate that they live near Johnson Space Flight
> Center.
> That raises the possibility of behavioral effects in this case
> from radar and other powerful radio-frequency signals. I've been
> looking at the possibility of neurological damage to the prefrontal
> cortex (whic appears to be involved in schizophenia -- see important
> new study -- http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/nr/2001/abstractthought.html)
> from syngeristic effects of RF and mood drugs and that may apply in
> this case.

Wes, based on the fact that the woman was receiving several drugs for
depression including Haldol, it is interesting to note that the HAARP
magnetometer indicated a large magnetic distrubance peaking at about
5:40am CDT (Local Houston Time) on the Wednesday June 20th, the
morning of the murders, and an even larger magnetic disturbance on
5:05am CDT Monday June 18. (See attached images or visit HAARP
Magnetometer archive):

http://137.229.36.30/cgi-bin/magnetometer/gak-mag.cgi

I have observed this same pattern of one or more large disturbances
indicated on the same day  and sometimes a few days preceeding, mass
murders. It may be just a coincidence, or there be may be some connection
between magnetic disturbances and/or HAARP, and violent acts
committed by individuals on psychotropic medications, especially
antidepressants, many of which contain fluorine.

It certainly suggests the posibility that certain individuals might be targeted
for mind control using HAARP, if the magnetic distrubances are caused by
HAARP emissions that are being targeted toward the area in question,
perhaps with cooperation of other sites (i.e. HAARP creates the reflecting
dish in the ionosphere, other sites send RF signals that bounce off the
ionosphere directed to the target area.)

Steve


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Re: [CTRL] Well now ain't aol having fun. They just deleted everyone from aol off the list

2001-06-21 Thread Steve

-Caveat Lector-

I checked a and there is a searchable archive at Topica. The only problem
with Topica is that it is sometimes hard to learn to navigate the menus at
first, but there are many features.

Steve

On 21 Jun 01, at 16:21, Nessie wrote:

> >The problem with moving to Topica is,  they don't have an archive
> feature.
>
> Good point. This list is just too busy to archive on our own computers.
> It'd eat up our disk space too fast. It needs a central (preferably
> mirrored) archive site.



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[CTRL] Israel Legalizes Lynch Mobs

2001-06-21 Thread William Shannon
http://www3.haaretz.co.il/eng/scripts/article.asp?mador=14&datee=6/19/01&
id=121972



Panel passes bill allowing inciting violence against terror suspect

Ha'aretz Knesset Correspondent
By Gideon Alon

The Knesset Constitution, Law and Justice Committee yesterday passed the
second and third reading of a bill that includes an article that
decriminalizes inciting a lynch mob to against a suspected terrorist.

The article is part of a bill being prepared by the committee on incitement
to violence in Israel. It generally seeks more severe punishment for such
incitement, setting a maximum penalty of five years imprisonment.

Justice Minister Meir Sheetrit, Attorney General Elyakim Rubinstein, and
State Prosecutor Edna Arbel tried to dissuade the committee's MKs from
passing the bill, to no avail.

Sheetrit said a bill that legalizes attacking a suspected member of a
terrorist organization "is a very dangerous measure that undermines democracy
and basic human rights in our country. It accomodates 'field trials' ... and
even a lynching or sentencing to death by a mob that suspects someone is a
terrorist."

Five of the MKs supporting the bill were Shaul Yahalom (National Religious
Party), Nissim Zeev (Shas), Yuval Steinitz (Likud), Yosef Lapid (Shinui) and
Yael Dayan (Labor). Against it were the chairman of the committee, Ophir
Pines-Paz (Labor), Nehama Ronen (Center) and Anat Maor (Meretz).

Sheetrit said he intends to propose removing this article when the bill is
brought to the Knesset plenum for a vote in the next few days. Sheetrit,
Rubinstein and Arbel did manage to change one article in the bill making it
possible to charge those suspected of inciting violence.

Sheetrit said the original wording of the article prevented authorities from
indicting suspects of incitement - because police had to prove "with near
certainty" that the incitement would have led to an act of violence. The
article was changed to "with reasonable possibility.







[CTRL] FW: The Rising Police State

2001-06-21 Thread Nessie

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J.A.I.L. News Journal

Los Angeles, California   June
20,
2001


The Rising Police State


Former Cop - "Law Enforcement Is The Police State's Servant"
>From J.D. Tuccille c. 2001 About.com  6-15-1

Several months ago, I penned a column called "Cops who say 'no'" that
turned out to be one of the more thoroughly hashed-over pieces that I've
churned out. As happens when I have lots of white space to fill, I waxed
philosophic and evoked my inner literary self even quoting Ralph Waldo
Emerson on the way to making a simple point. I suggested that in an age
of
proliferating laws that micromanage our lives and that involve
ever-scarier
law-enforcement powers, police officers have an obligation to consider
the
morality of the laws they enforce, and to refuse to enforce laws that
have
no business on the books.

It's nice to be noticed, and my e-mail soon demonstrated that people
have been paying attention. Messages pro and con streamed in, with a
preponderance of readers saying that they agreed with the point I was
making.

Dissenters tended to use stronger language, leaving me only one possible
response: My mother is not! - or not so that you can prove, anyway.

Among the more interesting messages was a note from a retired police
officer (I've checked his credentials) who served with a major
urban-area
law-enforcement agency, and so has more first-hand familiarity with
modern policing than I hope to ever have. This former officer, who asked
me
not to use his name so that he gets no more grief at reunion picnics
than
necessary, suggested that my heart might be in the right place, but I
just
don't understand the depths of the problem.

Rather than paraphrase what the one-time police officer said so well, I
reproduce his note below... ___

I was a police officer for many years and am now retired. It is apparent
to me that you suffer a few misunderstandings of the police officer's
job.
However, that is not to say that you aren't right. There are many laws
that are stupid, wrong, unconstitutional, feel-good (hate crimes come to
mind) and silly.

Each police officer is given discretionary decision-making power. That
means that barring the commission of six particular crimes (Burglary,
Arson,
Rape, Robbery, Murder and Mayhem) a police officer may decide for him or
herself whether to arrest, report, release in the field, or simply to do
nothing.

For decades, I nullified bad laws (e.g., concealed carry of a weapon by
honest citizens, gambling and prostitution) and so did many other
officers.
We did it because we had the power to and it was the right thing to do.

Before you suggest how to correct modern day law enforcement, I suggest
you
first review the reason modern local law enforcement is becoming the
police
state's handmaiden.

It is simple: Federal influence. Since the Nixon / Mitchell
Administration,
federal funds, training, hiring standards and procedures have penetrated
into local law enforcement in an insidious manner.

Training is of the siege mentality type, fear is inculcated in training,
and
the belief that no one needs a firearm but the police is encouraged and
fostered.

Waco was made possible by a perjured affidavit swearing that a drug lab
was on the premises. They lied and got the army to help under Titles 26
and
32, USC. These are the same people who have been training local law
enforcement for decades. Until we can remove the federal influence in
local
law enforcement, it will just get worse. Hell, it may not even be
reversible.

I respect your intentions, but there is a hell of a lot you don't know
about
how bad it has gotten in local law enforcement. Many of these kids have
never read the Constitution, nor have they been required to. They also
have
a natural antipathy towards armed citizens as a result of brainwashing
in
primary and secondary school. Many are also unrestrained and unfamiliar
with
self-discipline. This can be fatal if not harmful to an innocent who is
doing nothing more than lawfully owning a firearm.

The job is one of the safest there is statistically, and I am sick of
police administrators, in their effort to build empire, lying about
being
"outgunned." They pander to federal anti-constitutionalists by crying
for more gun laws, but no mention of severe treatment for violent
criminals.

No one is in law enforcement by way of impressment or the draft. They
are
all volunteers and if anyone is in fear of armed citizens and not armed
criminals, they should get another job, perhaps a milk route. I wouldn't
recommend the U.S. Postal Service, though.

Local police are in danger of ceasing to be responsible at all to their
local community and taxpayers. ___

The note is disturbing because it reflects concerns that I've heard
before,
but says that the problem is much more advanced than I've suspected. Two
years ago, The Cato Institute came out with a report that made a splash
at
the

Re: [CTRL] Muslim Woman Denied French ID Over Headscarf (fwd)

2001-06-21 Thread YnrChyldzWyld








  
  From: Prudence L. Kuhn
  >The Prophet Muhammad himself would>probably be puzzled at 
  the dress of Muslim women today and possibly by the>strange 
  behavior of Muslim men towards Muslim women. It is recorded that 
  he>had respect and consideration towards women. One of his wives 
  became a hoja.
  Just as Jesus would probably be as equally puzzled with the strange 
  behavior and hate that many of those who call themselves 'Christian' 
  display...
   
  Islam was originally quite positive towards women, and Islamic women of 
  the Middle Ages enjoyed much more autonomy and respect in their societies 
  than Christian women of the same era received in theirs.  Not only 
  did Mohammed show respect and deference to women, his daughters were the 
  ones who carried on his message after his death and were accorded full 
  rights and the same respect that their father had had...
   
   
   
   
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[CTRL] Fw: Homeless stake claim to riverbank

2001-06-21 Thread YnrChyldzWyld








  ---Original Message---
   
  Homeless stake claim to 
  riverbank
  By 
  Ken McLaughlin, Mercury News 
  Those who live here call it ``Camp Paradise,'' a respite from the evils 
  of Santa Cruz street life. 
  But the city of Santa Cruz has told residents of the serene but illegal 
  campground along an oak-shaded bank of the San Lorenzo River that they 
  must pack up by July1 or face eviction and possible arrest. The riverbank 
  is no place for homeless people because they're damaging the fragile 
  habitat, city officials say. 
  The campground's 30 or so tent dwellers, though, say they aren't 
  budging, setting up the city's biggest showdown over the simmering 
  homeless issue since the city council created outside sleeping areas 
  13months ago and then backed down. 
  Full story at San Jose Mercury http://www0.mercurycenter.com/partners/docs1/011219.htm
   
   





	
	
	
	
	
	
	




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Re: [CTRL] Well now ain't aol having fun. They just deleted everyone from aol off the list

2001-06-21 Thread c.

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it doesn't get *that* big and you can always archive them or write it to cd
or something if it gets really bad, which i doubt. i sub to many lists and i
don't have such a big hardisk and have never noticed mail archives to be all
that greedy of space compared to other data, even certain applications
needing 500-1000mb to install, let alone the data produced by them. mail
archives (20,000+ messages) are nothing by comparison

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>The problem with moving to Topica is,  they don't have an archive
feature.

Good point. This list is just too busy to archive on our own computers.
It'd eat up our disk space too fast. It needs a central (preferably
mirrored) archive site.

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[CTRL] potential bubonic plague exposure

2001-06-21 Thread Carl Amedio































US health officials keeping an eye on potential bubonic plague exposure

DENVER, Colorado, June 20 (AFP) - Colorado health officials are carefully 
examining reports of possible human exposure to bubonic plague that has 
killed a sizable portion of a nearby prairie dog colony.
While health officials have confirmed the prairie dogs do carry the deadly 
but treatable disease, they are unsure if colony neighbors -- including a 
unidentified man who died of plague-like symptoms Monday -- have contracted 
the disease, said Tisha Dowe, director of the El Paso County Department of 
Health and Environment.
"Right now, we're out checking other prairie dog colonies, too," Dowe said. 
"In the meantime, I've alerted doctors in the area to watch for symptoms just 
in case."
As a precaution, the humans are being treated with antibiotics while health 
officials investigate whether there is a connection with the rodents, Dowe 
said.
The county began spraying the colony to kill infected fleas which transmit 
the disease to humans. Health officials were alerted to the incident after a 
number of the rodents were found dead in the past week.
Bubonic plague, which killed an estimated 25 million people in Europe in the 
14th century, is a disease carried by rodents that is normally transmitted to 
humans through bites from infected fleas, said John Pape, a Colorado 
Department of Health and Environment epidemiologist who specializes in 
animal-borne illnesses.
The plague produces flu-like symptoms, including high fever, chills, 
headaches, severe fatigue, vomiting and tender or swollen lymph glands that 
appear two days to a week after exposure, Pape said.
"This is not the kind of flu that, when you get it, you wonder if you should 
go to the doctor," Pape said. "When you get it, you know it. It hits you that 
hard."
While the threat of a widespread epidemic is minimal, Pape and other health 
officials have issued warnings alerting the public and their pets to stay 
away from the rodents.
Pets, more likely to pick up the unwanted fleas as passengers, have 
transmitted the disease to more than half of the humans reported to have 
contracted the disease, Pape said.
"We get reports of rodent die-offs every year throughout the west, but it 
rarely makes the jump to humans," Pape said, "The last time a human 
contracted it from another human in the United States was in 1924. Unlike 
14th-century Europe, we don't have infected rats in our homes."
Earlier this month, Colorado health officials confirmed other cases of 
plagued animals in the southern city of Pueblo and the Denver metropolitan 
area, but no human victims were reported.
Last year, one human was treated for the disease on the state's Western Slope.
The last confirmed bubonic plague death in the state was in 1999, one of 
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[CTRL] If you believe embryos are humans...

2001-06-21 Thread Steve

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If you believe embryos are humans...

...then curbing research on stem cells is an odd place to start protecting
them

By Michael Kinsley

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/time/2001/06/25/embryos.html

June 18, 2001 Posted: 3:41 p.m. EDT (1941 GMT)

President Bush is said to be hoping for a compromise on whether to allow
federally funded medical research on cells from human embryos.
Compromise is a worthy goal. But on this issue, the notion of compromise
is an odd one for a couple of reasons.

First, the Clinton Administration's rules that Bush has suspended while he
searches for a compromise are themselves a compromise. They forbid
federally funded researchers to destroy human embryos, but they allow the
use of stem cells from embryos destroyed by others. What Bush wants is a
compromise of a compromise.

Second, the argument for banning this research depends on absolutism.
It's not just that people who oppose research using embryos feel strongly
about it. It's that the entire logic of their case makes it hard to give them
anything they would value as half a loaf.

To justify standing in the way of cures for some of humanity's most dreaded
diseases, you have to accept the right-to-life argument in its most extreme
form. We're talking here about newly formed embryos. These are not
fetuses with tiny, waving hands and feet. These are microscopic groupings
of a few differentiated cells. There is nothing human about them, except
potential--and, if you choose to believe it, a soul. Moreover, under the rules
Bush is blocking, stem-cell research would not actually take the life of a
single embryo. Researchers would use embryos that are being discarded
anyway.

To anyone who actually believes that new embryos are just as human as
you or me, this last point is like saying, "Well, the Holocaust is going on
anyway, so we might as well turn a few dead Jews into lampshades."
Accommodating to evil is evil. But if this is your line, you had better really,
really believe that discarding embryos is just like gassing Jews. That's
because if you get your way, then real, fully formed people will suffer and
die for your abstract point of principle. In fact, real people will suffer and die
as a result of any compromise that partly accommodates your abstract
principle. For that matter, real people will suffer and die because of the
months every breakthrough has been delayed while Bush looks for a
compromise. And because of Clinton's compromise. And because of all
the years federal stem-cell research was banned before that.

Even if the recently discovered adult stem cells turn out to be almost as
good as embryonic ones, which many politicians are hoping will spare
them a tough decision, that "almost" will lead to unnecessary suffering and
death if adult cells become an excuse to restrict embryonic ones. So, if
that's what you think justice for embryos requires, you had better be sure
you're right.

Are we really going to start basing social policy on the assumption that a
few embryonic cells equal a human being? If so, restricting research on
discarded embryos is an odd place to start. Why not restrict fertility clinics,
which routinely produce more embryos than they need and destroy the
surplus? To pursue the gruesome Holocaust analogy, it's like outlawing the
lampshades while ignoring the gas chambers. And yet President Bush is
not searching for compromise on the issue of fertility clinics because there
is no such issue. The Roman Catholic Church and others are publicly
opposed to high-tech fertilization techniques, but they are not beating the
drum about it.

And fertility clinics are not the only place where embryos are routinely
destroyed in the course of making a baby. Every year, in the U.S. alone,
nature (or God) kills hundreds of thousands of embryos so young that the
bearer didn't even know she was pregnant. About 15% of pregnancies end
in miscarriage, most of them in the embryo stage. Although there is
research going on to reduce miscarriages for the sake of would-be
mothers, there is no big crusade to save the lives of these lost embryos.
Why not?

Contrast this widespread tolerance, if not acceptance, of the mass
slaughter of embryos, even among right-to-lifers, with the huge fuss that
antiabortion forces have stirred up over the relatively rare practice they
insist on calling partial-birth abortions. This campaign emphasizes how
recognizably human end-of-term fetuses are. The explicit or implicit
argument is that these physical human qualities are at least part of what
makes late-term abortions as morally objectionable as killing a postbirth
human being. Either this argument is utterly disingenuous or the corollary
must be that destruction of a newly conceived embryo is morally less
objectionable.

If stem-cell research is banned or limited on the principle that just-
conceived embryos have rights just like the rest of us, that will be a
principle applied almost nowhere else. It's a principle that fe

[CTRL] Europe's Echelon

2001-06-21 Thread William Shannon
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,44689,00.html



Does Europe Covet Own Echelon?
By Steve Kettmann 

12:29 p.m. June 20, 2001 PDT 

BRUSSELS, Belgium -- Maurizio Turco, an Italian member of the European
Parliament, shook up the last scheduled meeting of the temporary committee
investigating the Echelon interception system in more ways than one Wednesday
afternoon.

Turco, who describes himself as a "radical," charged that the committee's
year-long investigation may have raised international awareness about the
satellite-based surveillance system, but it was in effect nothing more than a
smokescreen.

"The fact is, the Europeans set the whole thing up to distract attention
while they set up their own system," Turco alleged. Committee chairman Carlos
Coelho dismissed Turco's accusation as an attempt to grab the spotlight for
himself, and there was no question that Turco has his own agenda.

Minutes after the meeting started, Turco moved for an adjournment on the
grounds that parliamentary procedure had been violated by the failure to
translate and circulate all the minutes from previous Echelon committee
meetings.

What at first seemed a mere attention-grabbing ploy set off a lengthy
discussion, and in the end the committee postponed its final vote on its
resolution. It also delays consideration of the final version of a 113-page
report on Echelon, prepared by Rapporteur Gerhard Schmid, a German Parliament
member.

Now, a vote on whether to submit a formal protest to the United States
concerning Echelon, originally planned for Thursday, has been pushed back to
July 3. But whether or not Turco -- president of a block called the Radical
MEPs of the Lista Bonino -- was grandstanding, his charge that Europe is
establishing its own Echelon-type system was not dismissed lightly. The
reasoning is simple enough: If the United States and its partners are
monitoring telephone calls, faxes and e-mail through Echelon, can anyone be
surprised if other governments covet similar capabilities?

Ilka Schroeder, a German Green Party member who spoke at the meeting, said
that while she often disagrees with Turco, she thinks he might have a point
about European efforts to establish their own version of Echelon.

She referred to recent talks among European ministers concerning the
expansion of a program called ENFOPOL to include such sensitive areas as
credit-card information and IP ports.

"This could be much worse than Echelon," Schroeder said. "If this is a report
(from the Echelon committee) that pretends to protect the fundamental right
to privacy in the European Union, then it must talk about ENFOPOL, because
that could be a worse threat to privacy than Echelon.


"Even as a member of Parliament, it is hard to get information about what
they have decided. They aim to have complete surveillance of anyone in the
European Union in real time."

Her position is that all secret services are fundamentally untrustworthy and
ought to be disbanded.

She objects to the Echelon committee's emphasis on trying to bring the
satellite-based surveillance activities of the United States -- in league
with Great Britain, New Zealand, Australia and Canada -- under some kind of
legal oversight, perhaps even through the World Trade Organization.

"This is not a matter of law," she said. "Secret services have broken laws so
many times, you cannot just make a law. Any democratic control makes secret
services more legitimate."

As for whatever efforts are underway to give Europe an Echelon-type system,
Turco said he was serious about the charges he made in the meeting.

"I think that certainly in Europe, there is the political will to establish a
snooping system which has the same technical aspects as Echelon, a kind of
European Echelon," he said. "Surely in Germany, for example, there is already
the technology that makes it possible."

Coelho, the Portugese Christian Democrat who oversees the committee, looked
weary when the subject of Turco came up later.

"I can't understand why he says what he says, and I can't understand why he
tables the amendments (to the resolution) that he does," Coelho said. "It
seems to me he is trying to make a good headline in the Italian press. If I
say something strong like that, I can make headlines, too. But I don't want
to do that."

But as Schroeder pointed out, there were other signs during the committee
meeting of strange currents at work. For example, one of the 160 amendments
up for discussion Tuesday -- Amendment 151 -- called on the European
Commission and the member states "to invest in new technologies in the field
of decryption and encryption techniques."

And if the point was lost on anyone, Erika Mann of Germany, who offered the
amendment, reiterated the point in the meeting. "If we are to have an
independent security policy, and we've said that we want that in the European
Union, then we should make the necessary investment in decryption," she said.
"It's just as important as encryption."

De

[CTRL] Has Bush seen the light?

2001-06-21 Thread Steve

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Has Bush seen the light?

When blackouts hit California, Bush insisted that price controls were the
wrong way to solve the electricity crisis. Now Republicans are worried
about losing Congress--and they've found a way to help the West. But is it
too little too late?

By Karen Tumulty and Michael Weisskopf With reporting by John F.
Dickerson, Michael Duffy and Adam Zagorin/Washington

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/time/2001/06/25/light.html

June 18, 2001 Posted: 3:41 p.m. EDT (1941 GMT)

Conservatives hate to meddle in the markets. So it would be hard to find a
more unlikely advocate for federal price controls than California
Congressman Duncan Hunter, whose voting record nearly every year gets
a 100% rating from the American Conservative Union. But when the owner
of a small metal shop in El Cajon showed Hunter his December electric bill-
-$115,000 for the month, four times what the man had been paying before
the state's electricity crisis began--Hunter changed his mind. "I came to the
conclusion that this wasn't free enterprise," the San Diego County
Republican says. On the day George W. Bush was inaugurated, Hunter
introduced a bill authorizing the new Administration to impose caps on
"unjust and unreasonable prices in the electric-energy market."

The Administration wasn't interested. For the past six months, Bush and
Vice President Dick Cheney have rarely missed a chance to say what a
huge mistake government controls of California energy costs would be. But
the argument has been slapping up against an obvious political problem:
Bush's free-market principles mirror the financial interests of his backers in
the energy industry--top executives who are cashing in stock options for
tens and hundreds of millions of dollars while their corporate profits are
tripling. "The consequence of the inaction has been a massive transfer of
wealth from the ordinary citizens of California to rich energy barons in
Houston, Charlotte and Atlanta," California's Democratic Governor, Gray
Davis, told TIME. The state's wholesale energy bill grew from $7 billion in
1999 to $27 billion last year, and could reach $55 billion this year.

With 54 electoral votes, California isn't used to getting the cold shoulder
from Washington. But if the plight of the state's ratepayers hasn't forced
Bush to rethink the wisdom of price caps, the plight of its Republicans may
have. Control of the House in next year's midterm elections could depend
on half a dozen endangered G.O.P. seats in California. That's why House
majority whip Tom DeLay told Bush two weeks ago that he shouldn't count
on Republicans to beat back price caps. There may be collateral damage
at the other end of the Capitol as well. Sources say Senate minority leader
Trent Lott has warned Bush aides that California's problems could infect 10
Western states, endangering Colorado's Wayne Allard, Idaho's Larry Craig
and Oregon's Gordon Smith. And while Bush may be writing off California's
votes, plenty of Democrats covet them, including putative presidential
contender Joe Lieberman, whose first act as a new committee chairman
last week was to launch hearings into the state's energy crisis.

So Bush is in a bind--caught between his principles and moneymen on one
side and the prospect of summertime blackouts, spiraling prices and
mutinous legislators on the other. He needs a way out, and may have found
one. This week a little-known agency called the Federal Energy Regulatory
Commission meets in a special session, its first with two new Bush
appointees in place. For the past year, FERC has ignored pleas for
sweeping electricity price controls in California and other Western states.
Last fall, at a congressional subcommittee hearing in San Diego, chairman
Curtis Hebert suggested that consumers should learn to live with higher
electricity prices. "If the truth kills Granny," he declared, "let her die." When
things got really bad last spring, FERC limited prices only during the worst
power emergencies. But this week FERC is expected to approve full-time
price controls.

Why is FERC relenting? The argument against price caps is that they do
infinitely more harm than good, as Jimmy Carter and Richard Nixon
discovered when they allowed government bureaucrats to clog the gears of
a free market. Price caps, says Energy Secretary Spence Abraham, are
merely a formula for "an increase in the scope, duration and frequency of
blackouts."

But Davis, along with virtually the entire California congressional
delegation, Democratic and Republican, says the market now is anything
but free. It is being manipulated, in their view, by energy companies that
have wrung billions out of California consumers by squeezing supply to
create artificial shortages. Why else, they say, would California power
suppliers like Enron Corp.--a Houston-based trading giant headed by one
of Bush's top donors and informal energy advisers--be seeing their
revenues jump 281% in the first quarter? Even a respecte

Re: [CTRL] Well now ain't aol having fun. They just deleted everyone from aol off the list

2001-06-21 Thread Nessie

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>The problem with moving to Topica is,  they don't have an archive
feature.

Good point. This list is just too busy to archive on our own computers.
It'd eat up our disk space too fast. It needs a central (preferably
mirrored) archive site.

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[CTRL] Mother Who Killed Her Five Children Was On Anti-Depressant HALDOL

2001-06-21 Thread Steve

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   Mother Who Killed Her
   Five Children Was On
   Anti-Depressant HALDOL
By Jeff Franks
6-21-1


 "Doctors used a cocktail of drugs to help Yates during
 both bouts of depression. She was currently taking
 medication that included Haldol, Yates said."


 HOUSTON (Reuters) - The husband of a woman who
 confessed to drowning their five children said on
 Thursday he still loved her and blamed the tragedy on her
 severe case of postpartum depression.

 Russell Yates, at times fighting back tears but for the 
most
 part remarkably composed, told reporters that what wife
 Andrea Yates did was ``incomprehensible'' because she
 was a ``kind and gentle person'' who loved their kids.

 ``I'm supportive of her because on the one hand I know
 she killed our children...but on the other I know that the
 woman here is not the woman who killed my children,'' he
 said, pointing to a photograph of the family taken a few
 months ago.

 ``She had her psychotic side effects with her depression
 that led her to do this. She loved our kids and anybody
 that knew her knew that.''

 ``Andrea, if you see this, I love you,'' said Yates, who
 spoke to reporters in the front yard of the one-story
 suburban home where the children were killed on
 Wednesday.

 Andrea Yates, 36, was jailed without bond on a charge of
 capital murder, which under Texas law could bring her the
 death penalty. She was due to be arraigned on the
 charges on Friday.

 She called police to their home near NASA's Johnson
 Space Center on Wednesday morning and told them she
 killed the children -- four boys and a girl who ranged in
 age from 6 months to 7 years.

 The four youngest -- Luke, 2, Paul, 3, and John, 5, and
 6-month-old daughter, Mary -- were found in a bed, their
 still-wet bodies covered with a sheet. Seven-year-old
 Noah was in the bath tub where police believe Yates
 drowned the children.

 Russell Yates, a 36-year-old NASA computer engineer,
 said his wife called him at work and told him he needed to
 come home.

 ``I said 'is anyone hurt' and she said 'yes.' I said 
'who' and
 she said 'the children...all of them.' My heart just 
sank,'' he
 said. Yates raced home to find the police already there.

 He said his wife of eight years suffered separate episodes
 of severe postpartum depression after having their fourth
 and fifth kids and had tried to commit suicide two years
 ago. The depression caused her to become so withdrawn
 and incapacitated that his mother, Dora Yates, would
 come over to help care for the children.

 Doctors used a cocktail of drugs to help Yates during both
 bouts of depression. She was currently taking medication
 that included Haldol, Yates said.

 According to Baylor College of Medicine psychiatry
 professor Lauren Marangell, Haldol is usually prescribed
 for psychosis, a more severe illness than garden variety
 postpartum depression and one more likely to lead to
 violence.

 When she was well, Andrea Yates homeschooled the
 children and lavished attention on them, Yates said.

 For Valentine's Day, she made them heart-shaped
 booklets with coupons that were good for a hug or a

Re: [CTRL] Jacques Cousteau, Environmental Liar? (fwd)

2001-06-21 Thread Andrew Hennessey

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The Christain Alert network uncovered a UN document on a Costeau speech that
quoted him as saying that there must be a drastic reduction in the earths
population - and that he was for implementing measures.
Certainly if he thinks that 4 billion people should die as quickly as
possible - one can never again recall those underwater films of the calypso
crew with anything other than a feeling of betrayal.

andrew hennessey

>  "Jacques Cousteau was part of a movement," he concluded, "part of a
> movement that feels they have a right to lie and they have a right to
> frighten people, because they have a higher calling ...
>  "This is the type of nonsense our young people are being fed in their
> schools every day," he says. "They are being lied to in the very same
way."
> >

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Re: [CTRL] Well now ain't aol having fun. They just deleted everyone from aol off the list

2001-06-21 Thread Steve

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On 21 Jun 01, at 10:15, Tenorlove wrote:

> They did it to Yahoogroups, too. The problem with moving to Topica is,
> they don't have an archive feature. Maybe a list could be set up
> through ctrl.org.

As far as I know Topica still has archives. All my lists are on Topica and
has worked quite well.

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Re: [CTRL] [wtpatltotrtf] From Ron / From Pam Schuffert in Germany

2001-06-21 Thread Michael Pugliese

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Message: 20
   Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2001 11:38:23 -0600
   From: "Dr Byron Weeks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: shackles and guillotines

I am interested to see this analysis from such a reliable source. I have
always had difficulty believing the wild stories about hundreds of thousands
of Russian and other foreign troops being concealed within our borders. Why
would they need to be here, aside from the joint training exercises? Our
shores are relatively undefended, and our borders are open and sieve-like.
The enemy can come across almost anywhere when the time comes.

One begins to learn who the crazies and the overzealous so-called patriots
are out there who continually sound the drumbeat of disinformation. How many
of them are wittingly or unwittingly contributing to the doubts those who
stubbornly refuse to grant  any credibility to the real warnings  the
genuine  watchers on the wall? I plan to try to be more wary and less
gullible in the future.

Byron Weeks

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From: Michael Pugliese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 9:50 PM
Subject: [ParanoidTimes] shackles and guillotines

> The New American
> Vol. 10, No. 22
> October 31, 1994
>
> Fact and Fiction
> by William F. Jasper
> Sifting reality from alarmist rumors
> http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1994/vo10no22.htm
>
> [...]
>
> Fraud and Fancy

> Another newsletter, Monetary and Economic Review, reported in March 1993
> that "reports are coming in of railroad cars that are specially equipped
> with shackles built into the walls for prisoner transport. One railroad
car
> in the Cut Bank, Montana area was loaded with handcuffs, shackles and
> guillotines. Sound bizarre?" Well, yes, now that you mention it,
especially
> since no evidence is provided. Presumably these handcuffs, shackles, and
> guillotines are to be used by "FINCEN, which is the UN's next level of law
> enforcement. FINCEN is made up of foreign military and secret police that
> number about 300,000 in the U.S. at present." The newsletter cited as its
> source for that information one "Mark from Michigan," a lecturer whose
video
> presentations have stirred anxiety among patriots nationwide about massive
> invading forces already within our borders.
>
> The newsletter continued: "These FINCEN troops are ferried around by black
> helicopters that people have reported seeing all over the country, and
were
> shown on TV in Waco. In November 1990, President Bush signed an executive
> order that transferred one third of our strategic reserve aircraft over to
> FINCEN at a cost of $12.8 billion to the U.S. taxpayer. They were painted
> black and have no markings, and are now used by FINCEN." (For more
> information on "FINCEN," see the "Black Helicopters" sidebar on page 29.)
> Like many other publications circulating this story, Monetary and Economic
> Review included a map marked with circles and Xs purporting to show the
> locations of "U.N. battle groups on U.S. soil."
>
> Quoting "Mark from Michigan," the newsletter declared: "Located in the
> Sacramento area is a 34,000-man battle group." This was particularly
> interesting news to this writer, who lives in the Sacramento area and who
> has numerous reliable sources at the various military bases in the
region --
> all of whom laughed at the story. Ditto for the law enforcement officers
who
> patrol the area and the private pilots who overtly the entire territory on
a
> regular basis and who could reasonably be expected to notice such a large
> deployment, even if it were divided into several smaller groups.*
>
> * This, of course, does not "prove" that there are not hundreds of
thousands
> of Russian/foreign/UN troops dispersed and concealed throughout the
country,
> since one can't prove a negative. Besides, one must grant that this is a
big
> country with plenty of rural and urban areas where it would be possible to
> hide large numbers of men and equipment, and that the Soviets have proven
> themselves time and again to be masters of what they call Maskirovka --
> camouflage or concealment. Nevertheless, the burden of proof rests with
> those who make the charges, and while reasonable minds may nibble at
> seemingly outlandish charges, they demand at least a modicum of
> substantiating evidence before swallowing the whole thing.
>
> The same map, along with several others allegedly depicting the
whereabouts
> of "MJTF" and "FINCEN" gestapo units, appears in Cheque Mate: The Game of
> Princes, a book on the new world order by Jeffrey Baker published in 1993.
> In this case the author is at least fairly open about the fact that he is
> passing on mere hearsay, even if at the same time he seems to be half
> vouching for its validity with the serious attention he gives it: "If
these
> maps (and the information on them) are authentic, there are also United
> Nations Battle Groups whose entrance to the United States was passed under
> Presidential Executive Order signed 11 Novemb

[CTRL] test

2001-06-21 Thread William Shannon
test


Re: [CTRL] PBS Boy Scout show blasted

2001-06-21 Thread Mark McHugh

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Tenorlove wrote:
>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> --- Mark McHugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Is an individual a homophobe if they do not like the homosexual
> > lifestyle?
> >
> > I know that the "-phobe" part of "homophobe" means "fear", from the
> > Greek noun "phobos".  Does dislike now equal fear?  Are those who do
> > not like Scouts now "proskopophobes", those who fear Scouts?
>
> Personally, Mark, I think the phobe part is that these sex-driven
> people may be afraid of leaving even one creature on the planet left
> unlaid, regardless of age, sex or species. Heaven forbid a young child
> should remain innocent.
>
> Tenorlove


I do not mind the "sex" part for consenting adults, I just have an
aversion to zealots trying to force change in thought.  I served with
homosexuals of both sexes in the Army and had no problem with them.
We shared a lifestyle, except for our choices in partners.  They
didn't try to force me to accept them, nor I them.

I'm an individual more open to persuasion--tell me why you think your
point of view should be mine.

--
´´
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Re: [CTRL] Muslim Woman Denied French ID Over Headscarf (fwd)

2001-06-21 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Muslims in France have been struggling for more rights and acknowledgement
 of Islam. French Muslims make up the single largest Muslim community in
 Europe. Their number is now estimated at around 6 million, or up to 10
 percent of the total French population. >>

There is actually no reason why this woman cannot do without a headscarf for
a photograph, but it might be wise of France and any other country with a
large Muslim population to require two photographs of Muslim women--one with
and one without the headscarf.  The Koran does not require Muslim women to
wear a head covering at all times.  The wording requires a woman to go
modestly and to cover her hair and draw her robe across her bosom when abroad
among strangers.  Somehow this has degenerated into all of the weird and
strange over-garments we see today.  The Prophet Muhammad himself would
probably be puzzled at the dress of Muslim women today and possibly by the
strange behavior of Muslim men towards Muslim women.   It is recorded that he
had respect and consideration towards women.  One of his wives became a hoja.
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Re: [CTRL] PBS Boy Scout show blasted

2001-06-21 Thread Mark McHugh

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June wrote:

> From: Mark McHugh

> >Is an individual a homophobe if they do not like the homosexual
> >lifestyle?
>
>
> What exactly IS "the homosexual lifestyle"?
>

[snip]

> So just what exactly are you referring to when you refer to a
> "homosexual lifestyle", and what details about it do you
> obviously not find equally offensive when heterosexuals do the
> exact same thing?
>
> June


What indicates in my post that I "obviously" find anything offensive
with the homosexual lifestyle in particular?

I thought the question was easy enough in its concise form; sometimes
 I get too general.  Is someone labeled a homophobe if they do not
like the way homosexuals lead their lives in all the many wonderous
ways they exist, focusing only on the homosexuality?  I couldn't care
less how anyone leads their life, we've all got our own rows to hoe.
 I just like to hold everyone to the standards they set for others,
in this situation, tolerance.  For whatever reason, the BSA does not
wish to include homosexuals, they live by a different creed.  Pity
them if you wish, but tolerate them.

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[CTRL] The New Terrorist International

2001-06-21 Thread radman

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radman pull quote:

"So far the Anarchist groups that plague the regular multi-national
Governmental meetings in Europe and the USA have remained nothing more than
a major irritant, but in a sinister move, terrorists are now known to be
trying to infiltrate these groups and the prospect of professional hitmen,
snipers and bombers operating under the cover of anarchist riots is
exercising the minds of the Police and Security forces throughout the world."

==

The New Terrorist International

AFI - Armed Forces Intelligence
The International Research and News Agency
Specialist Information for the NewsMedia
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (UK)
Tel/Fax:  +44(0)1626 33 50 40
Book mark  www.defense-i.com
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www.freelancedirectory.org
www.questico.co.uk/INSIGHT

AFI Research, The Ground Floor, 27 The Avenue, Newton Abbot TQ12 2BZ, UK.
_

Real IRA and ETA forge more international links

Evidence is mounting of the efforts being made by Irish Terrorists and
their Spanish counterparts, ETA, to greatly strengthen their network of
deadly partners throughout Europe and the Middle East.

ETA and the BRA or Breton Revolutionary army are known to have staged armed
attacks to acquire weapons, including eight tonnes of Titadine explosives
stolen from a factory at Plevin in Brittany in September 1999 and
explosives and more than 20,000 detonators obtained through a raid in
Grenoble this year. Though French security forces recovered some of the
Titadine from the BRA, some 5 tonnes were retained by ETA, some of which
has been reportedly passed on to the Palestinian militant group, Hamas.

Israeli security sources have made it plain that while they are aware of
the raised level of co-operation between terrorist groups,they are
surprised at Hamas importing explosives when so much is being made
available by the Syrians and Iraqis. While the Islamic militant group,
Hezbollah not only produces explosives in the Bekaa valley in the Lebanon,
but has received huge quantities of modern military explosives from Iran
and to a lesser extent, Syria.

However, Israeli sources have expressed alarm that Hamas, in particular,
has received training from some of the Real IRA's leading 'engineers'
following the killing of a number of the Palestinian groups leading
bomb-makers by Israeli undercover units.
In return the Real IRA have received certain specialized and advanced
pieces of military equipment of Russian origin which their 'friends' in
Croatia and the Baltic states had been unable to supply.

ETA's reported attempt to bomb a Plymouth bound ferry may have more to do
with its close relationship with the Real IRA than their own needs and
provides an alarming preview of the future of terrorist operations where
IRA targets in mainland Britain may well be 'bombed' by terrorists from
another country, making it doubly difficult for MI-5 and the specialist
police branch's to identify and track them.

Spanish Interior Minister, Mariano Rajoy, expressed little surprise at the
idea of an international terrorist network, "On numerous occasions we have
had clear proof of the relationship between terrorist groups" he said.

Co-operation between terrorist organizations is set to greatly increase, it
is of great value to such groups and provides a security nightmare for
Western Europe.  So far the Anarchist groups that plague the regular
multi-national Governmental meetings in Europe and the USA have remained
nothing more than a major irritant, but in a sinister move, terrorists are
now known to be trying to infiltrate these groups and the prospect of
professional hitmen, snipers and bombers operating under the cover of
anarchist riots is exercising the minds of the Police and Security forces
throughout the world.

For more information on this and many other news stories contact AFI

___

Associates:  Richard M Bennett (AFI-UK), Robert Zeidner
(AFI-USA-Consultant), Michael Crawford(Milnet-USA),
Dr James Hawker (AFI-Australia), Maj. Frank Hayes (AFI-USA), Alan Marshall
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[CTRL] Biotechnology promises major advances for U.S. Army

2001-06-21 Thread radman

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 >From Eurekalert!,
http://www.eurekalert.org/releases/pu-bpm062001.html

Contact: Emil Venere
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765-494-4709
Purdue University

Biotechnology promises major advances for U.S. Army

WEST LAFAYETTE, Ind. - A report being released today (Wednesday, 6/20)
recommends that the U.S. Army take advantage of dramatic advancements in
biotechnology that promise to help soldiers survive and perform better in
the 21st century.

The report, from the National Research Council's Board on Army Science and
Technology, was prepared by a 16-member committee chaired by Michael
Ladisch, a distinguished professor of biomedical engineering and
agricultural and biological engineering at Purdue University. The council is
the principal operating arm of the National Academy of Sciences, the
National Academy of Engineering and the Institute of Medicine.

By the year 2025, biotechnology will likely bring advances such as "rugged
computer memories" made from genetically engineered proteins, camouflage
materials and lightweight armor inspired by living organisms, portable
solar-power systems, "biological markers" that help to distinguish friendly
soldiers from the enemy, wristwatch-size sensors and devices that detect
biological and chemical warfare agents. Research also promises to make
possible the creation of new vaccines, drugs and wound-healing technologies,
and medical applications that provide broad benefits to world health, states
the report.

"These are but a few of a myriad of possibilities, some of which may never
be developed for lack of commercial incentive, thus challenging the Army to
devise ways of influencing their development," according to the report,
"Opportunities in Biotechnology for Future Army Applications."

Recommendations in the report stress the importance of developing defensive
technologies aimed at improving the survivability and effectiveness of U.S.
soldiers. The report specifically does not address the use of biotechnology
for offensive applications.

To illustrate the dramatic significance of emerging technologies, the report
includes hypothetical, but realistic, battlefield scenarios in the year
2025.

"Although soldiers in 2025 may look much the same as their present-day
counterparts, they will be drawn from a society that has been armed by
biotechnology with increased strength and endurance and superior resistance
to disease and aging," the report states. "By then, biosensors may be able
to detect chemical, biological and environmental threats of all kinds,
bio-electronics components could enable combat systems to survive in
high-radiation environments, biologically inspired materials could provide
light protective armor for soldiers, and therapies for shock trauma from
excessive bleeding could be developed."

Biotechnology uses organisms, tissues, cells or the molecular components
derived from living things to make products or to perform functions. It's a
technology used to produce drugs and antibiotics like penicillin, and to
make new materials and devices. Biotechnology also sometimes involves
altering the workings of cells or components inside cells, including their
genetic material.

Ladisch said the committee, made up of experts from industry, academia and
government, was formed in late 1999 to create the report, which also was
reviewed by an independent group of researchers before it was approved.

"Some of these ideas may really seem far out because we are looking toward
the year 2025," Ladisch said.

The report includes insights about likely advances resulting from research
into the genetic structure and function of humans and other organisms,
including possible biological warfare agents.

"If soldiers on the battlefield are exposed to a biowarfare agent, advances
in genomics could make it possible to quickly identify this agent and
produce a vaccine," Ladisch said.

The report has two overall conclusions:

* To keep pace with the unprecedented rate of discovery and the anticipated
increase in biotechnology developments, the Army will have to establish new,
effective partnerships with the emerging biotechnology industry, participate
in research and develop the capabilities to act on opportunities as they
arise.

* Because commercial markets for medical applications will drive many
advances in biotechnology, Army scientists and engineers must expand their
understanding of biology's role in research leading to military
applications.

The report recommends that the Army adopt new approaches to work with the
private sector, encouraging relationships between government and industry.
The report also urges the Army to invest in education, assembling "a cadre
of science and technology professionals capable of translating advances in
the biosciences into engineering practice." Also, to help speed the
development of certain technologies, the report suggests that the Army focus
its research in several high-priority areas, including:

* New types of rugged, high-capacit

[CTRL] Professor's warning on warfare

2001-06-21 Thread radman

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 >From This is Bradford,
http://www.thisisbradford.co.uk/bradford__district/bradford/news/BRAD_NEWS6.html>


Professor's warning on warfare
by Kanchan Dutt

A leading warfare expert will tomorrow tell a major conference that genetic
research is opening up the door for a new range of biological weapons.

The University of Bradford's Professor Malcolm Dando will spell out the need
for governments to ensure research into biotechnology and genetics does not
lead to the birth of a new generation of weapons.

Prof Dando will address the inaugural Global Forum for Law Enforcement and
National Security in Edinburgh, looking at issues of national safety which
will play a role over the next 20 years.

The high-powered three-day meeting started today and is chaired by Lord
Ashdown with judge William Webster, a former director of the CIA and FBI,
taking part in a live satellite link.

Prof Dando said the current `gentleman's agreement' binding major states to
use genetic advances to battle illnesses and not each other was no longer
strong enough to guarantee international peace.

His role as professor of international security, part of the university's
peace studies department, has led his team to receive regular Nato funding
for research into the field and led to a personal invitation to the
conference.

He said: "The British discovered during the Second World War the best way of
attacking humans is by spreading poisons in the air, and it is clear that
the use of toxins on the battlefield will have rapid effects.

"But until we had genetic engineering it was not possible to produce these
toxins in large quantities."

"Work by governments and academic institutions - including the University of
Bradford - into genetics to tackle human illnesses has inadvertently opened
the door for terrorist groups and unscrupulous dictators such as the Iraqi
leader Saddam Hussein to use the research for weapons.

"We know at the end of the Cold War the former USSR had biological weapons
with genetically engineered enhanced resistance," said Prof Dando.

"The conclusion is that if you don't prevent the misuse of this knowledge
you could produce tailor-made pathogens.

"You could actually set out to design a pathogen that no one would be able
to deal with."

He singled out foot and mouth as an example of how a natural virus can wreak
havoc upon a nation's livestock and its economy, adding: "Imagine the
destruction possible if someone decided to use the virus to attack another
country - it would be horrendous."

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Re: [CTRL] PBS Boy Scout show blasted

2001-06-21 Thread YnrChyldzWyld








  
  From: Aleisha Saba
  >Now this is the element on PBS that has invaded the Sesame 
  Street>fantasy land for children, but that kids already have Pee 
  Wee Herman>whom some say is about to make a come back.
   
  I've said this before...Paul Rubens aka Pee Wee Herman is NOT 
  gay.  In fact he was arrested for publicly masturbating in a movie 
  theater showing heterosexual porn movies...
  Paul Rubens has never shown sexual interest in children.
   
   
  June
   
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  From: Aleisha Saba
  >Maybe they should resurrect Bob Hope to do a new Road to Mandalay 
  movie?
   
  Bob Hope is still alive.
   
   
   
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Re: [CTRL] Well now ain't aol having fun. They just deleted everyone from aol off the list

2001-06-21 Thread Tenorlove

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They did it to Yahoogroups, too. The problem with moving to Topica is,
they don't have an archive feature. Maybe a list could be set up
through ctrl.org.

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Mark Phillips In Reply

2001-06-21 Thread Tenorlove

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Mark Phillips sounds like a dangerous predator who should, himself, be
"separated from society." Does he advocate the imprisonment of everyone
who disagrees with him? Is everyone who disagrees with him a
perpetrator?

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[CTRL] Fwd: EU leaders fear wrath of the people

2001-06-21 Thread Aleisha Saba

Boy those anarchists and Irish - scared the hell out of othem...

These simple EU leaders - these Judas Sheep - well often I hear a
different drummer, and one can almost hear the nazi goose steping
brigades marching across Europe but it appers, they might be marching
alone - just the leaders, for who will follow this buncto to another
genocidal population control war?

How will you have it - AIDS or Warmost prefer war.   Especially
since we got them outnumbered.

So soon we will see them beating their ploughshares into fertilizer
bombs?

Saba




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ect_Artifact/0,4678,0-507880,00.html
EU leaders fear wrath of the people European integration 
Ian Black and Michael White in Gothenburg
Saturday June 16, 2001 The Guardian 

Europe's leaders were last night forced to consider slowing down their "great 
debate" about the future of the continent in the face of growing evidence of 
"a widespread sense of disconnection" between the EU and its citizens. 
As hundreds of anti globalisation rioters offered tangible proof of 
alienation in violent clashes on the streets of Gothenburg, the 15 heads of 
government attending the Swedish summit were warned that ordinary people 
remain frustrated by their remoteness and lack of democratic accountability. 

Anarchist riots forced them to cancel a planned dinner at a restaurant in the 
city centre and stay instead in the heavily guarded conference centre. 

Britain's low election turnout has deeply unsettled ministers. But the 
catalyst for yesterday's agonising was an unusually outspoken public 
intervention by Bertie Ahern, the Irish prime minister. 

Mr Ahern told colleagues that Ireland's shock rejection of the Nice treaty, 
which paves the way for EU expansion up to 27 members, underlined a 
"widespread sense of disconnection" between the union and its people. 

"There is frustration at what is seen as an absence of clarity, openness and 
responsiveness in how the union goes about his business," he added. 

"There is a real and urgent need to focus on how we make the union more 
meaningful to our citizens and on how its democratic accountability can be 
strengthened." 

The Irish No is unlikely to kill the treaty or prevent enlargement of the EU 
to the south and east by 2004. Mr Ahern will seek a Yes vote in another 
referendum, but not until next year. 

But anxiety with the 54% to 46% voter rejection of Nice in Ireland was barely 
concealed by some summiteers. 

And it prompted Tony Blair and fellow leaders to admit to second thoughts as 
to whether the time is right to launch a potentially divisive debate about 
the future constitutional direction of Europe. 

Outside the summit venue hundreds of anti-capitalist activists clashed with 
police, throwing sticks and cobble stones and erecting burning barricades. 
Protesters, many wearing black hoods, smashed several shop front windows, 
including two McDonald's hamburger restaurants. 

Mr Blair denounced the violence in which up to 37 people, including 10 police 
officers, were injured. "The protests are a complete outrage. To result in 
this violence is not just entirely wrong, but also completely misguided." 

The Belgians, who take over the EU presidency from Sweden next month, are due 
to launch the debate over the future shape of Europe. 

"The EU should not proceed too fast," said the Austrian chancellor, Wolfgang 
Schüssel, who has experienced voter alienation in the shape of Joerg Heider's 
far-right Freedom party. "Nice has not yet been ratified and we are already 
talking about new goals." 

But the gloom looked set to kill off Swedish hopes of speeding up the 
process. 

Goran Persson, the Swedish prime minister and summit host, had hoped to issue 
a more precise target date for the entry of countries such as Poland and 
Hungary, which lead the 12 applicants queueing up to join the club. 

EU leaders repeated that the bitterly contested Nice treaty, which includes a 
long-overdue overhaul of creaking institutional machinery, cannot be 
renegotiated and that enlargement - the biggest ever undertaken - must go 
ahead. 

The first newcomers are expected in 2004. Ireland is the only EU state which 
requires a popular vote, but all 15 members have to ratify it for it to 
become law. 

Spain's conservative prime minister, Jose-Maria Aznar, made the same argument 
in favour of a new slowly-slowly approach. 

Mr Blair is also likely to welcome this since he fears the divisive 
abstractions of constitutional debate as he contemplates Britain's crucial 
decision on a euro referendum. 

Gerhard Schröder, the German chancellor and his foreign minister, Joschka 
Fischer, last year sparked a wide debate about the future of Europe as it 
enlarges in advance of new treaty talks in 2004. 

But Mr Schröder appeared to be backing down in the aftermath of the Irish 
vote, which some now fear could come to prove as difficult as the Danish 
rejec

Re: [CTRL] Muslim Woman Denied French ID Over Headscarf (fwd)

2001-06-21 Thread Aleisha Saba

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Abortion pills to teen age high school childen made in China oh so
cheap, and over here in America, I imagine, oh so expensive.

I wonder when some of these kids start dying off from these poison pills
or in later life will have cancer or other serious repercussions - maybe
unable to have more chiildren - tell me, who will they sue?

Still remember in our law office once, and I had to leave the room - a
young girl, took off her coat with hands coming from her shoulder, and
then the mother took off her coat, and had the hands coming from her
shoulder - they had to have assistance .we all remember the drug
Thalimonide (spelling off here) do we not?

Today now this drug is being popularized for this Geraldine Ferrero is
taking it and so this should bring in more big bucks and she will find a
way to profit, no doubt, for promoting same?

So who takes the responsibility when all the civil suits begin for
without a doubt, they will.

Remember the old swine flu shots?   So many people pushed to have our
kids take that, even Gerald Ford, our unelected President, took a shot
to show it was safe - however, later complains were legion in number and
how many died and suffered serious illness.

Abortion pills for kids, then throw in the homosexuals to pass around
the disease for the will all die of love.

Saba

Killing them with love...or is it lust?

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Re: [CTRL] Well now ain't aol having fun. They just deleted everyone from ...

2001-06-21 Thread Carl Amedio
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Move to topica.



Yes they did. I call 4 times. 4 times they said not theren problem. there
were rude as well. i asked to report the techs ansd was told to write steve
case and disconnected.

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Re: [CTRL] PBS Boy Scout show blasted

2001-06-21 Thread Nessie

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>Personally, Mark, I think the phobe part is that these sex-driven
people may be afraid of leaving even one creature on the planet left
unlaid, regardless of age, sex or species. 

Homosexuals are no more sex driven than heterosexuals. The simply use
different criteria in the choosing of partners.

All people, all species, are sex driven. Sex is life. Without sex we
wouldn't be here. Sex is a good thing. Stop denegrating it.



>Heaven forbid a young child should remain innocent.

You equate ignorance with innocence. Ergo you must equate knowledge with
guilt. Is this why you want your children to remain ignorant? 

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[CTRL] Muslim Woman Denied French ID Over Headscarf (fwd)

2001-06-21 Thread Yardbird

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Muslim Woman Denied French ID Over Headscarf

http://www.islam-online.net/english/News/2001-06/21/article2.shtml

NANCY, France, June 20 (IslamOnline & News Agencies) - A French court has
rejected a Turkish Muslim woman's demand for a resident's permit on the
grounds that she wore a headscarf for her identity photograph, judicial
sources said Wednesday.

In its ruling, the appeals court in the eastern city of Nancy, dismissed
government legal advice that the woman should be allowed to wear a
headscarf in her ID photo as long as it did not disguise her identity,
reported the French news wire AFP.

The woman had applied to renew her French resident's permit in 1996 but
the local administration in Montbeliard rejected the demand on the grounds
that the ID photos she provided showed her wearing a scarf covering her
head and neck and did therefore did not meet official regulations.

Muslims in France have been struggling for more rights and acknowledgement
of Islam. French Muslims make up the single largest Muslim community in
Europe. Their number is now estimated at around 6 million, or up to 10
percent of the total French population.

Muslims are second in size only to the Roman Catholic community.

The Muslim labor force and Muslim businessmen constitute significant
economic power in the country, about 60% of them hold French nationality.
Statistics show that Islam is the fastest-growing religion in France; some
50,000 Frenchmen and women are said to be converting annually.

In spite of their size, Muslims complain that the French refuse to accept
the Muslim presence, considering Islam an alien force which "should be
eliminated."

French Muslim groups say that their communities are being overwhelmed by
the "secularism" sweeping over all spheres of life in France, where it is
increasingly difficult to live or bring up children as Muslims.

Muslims in France, having been forced to accept that their daughters
cannot wear hijab to school, were confronted last year with a new policy,
which makes the abortion-pill freely available to teenage school-girls,
"making illicit sexual activity routine and subverting parental
authority."

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Re: [CTRL] Affirmative Action Fails

2001-06-21 Thread Aleisha Saba

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Maybe they should resurrect Bob Hope to do a new Road to Mandalay movie?
Resurrect a Bing Crosby type and bring back the Burma Shave signs that
used to be along the road to Mandalay -

Keep remembering a Bob Hope movie in which he was in a jungle, and
cannibals were on their knees worshiping a fallen space craft?   Hope
said "gee, they must have found out how much it cost".

For example of in jokes and ridicule of our space program, and sabatoge
of same - read Acts 19 which is keyed and timed to Apollo disaster and
see the line "by this craft ye know we have our wealth"..

Bob Hope made big bucks from our government at taxpayer's expense - many
people believed he went overseas out of the kindness of his heart.

All those Road pictures made had purpose.

But for those with enquiring minds see the key reading timed and dated
to the Apollo Disaster and the symbolism of things only insiders know -
and keep in mind our Russian friends also had Nazi Scientists but the
German Scientists, came to USA.

How about a movie Road to Hell.
But look for key words - keeping in mind our space program was sabotaged
- and reference to "a space of time"...nice code/communication here.


The King James Bible
at the Electronic Text Center, University of Virginia
Acts, chapter 19

"1": And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul
having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding
certain disciples,

"2": He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye
believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether
there be any Holy Ghost.

"3": And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they
said, Unto John's baptism.

"4": Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of
repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him
which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

"5": When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord
Jesus.

"6": And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on
them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

"7": And all the men were about twelve.

"8": And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of
three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom
of God.

"9": But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of
that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the
disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus.

"10": And this continued by the space of two years; so that all they
which dwelt in Asia heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and
Greeks.

"11": And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul:

"12": So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or
aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went
out of them. {Saba Note - no doubt their name was Legion, for they are
many}

"13": Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to
call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus,
saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.

"14": And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the
priests, which did so.

"15": And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I
know; but who are ye?

"16": And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and
overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that
house naked and wounded.

"17": And this was known to all the Jews and Greeks also dwelling at
Ephesus; and fear fell on them all, and the name of the Lord Jesus was
magnified.

"18": And many that believed came, and confessed, and shewed their
deeds.

"19": Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books
together, and burned them before all men: and they counted the price of
them, and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver.

"20": So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed.

"21": After these things were ended, Paul purposed in the spirit, when
he had passed through Macedonia and Achaia, to go to Jerusalem, saying,
After I have been there, I must also see Rome.

"22": So he sent into Macedonia two of them that ministered unto him,
Timotheus and Erastus; but he himself stayed in Asia for a season.

"23": And the same time there arose no small stir about that way.

"24": For a certain man named Demetrius, a silversmith, which made
silver shrines for Diana, brought no small gain unto the craftsmen;

***

"25": Whom he called together with the workmen of like occupation, and
said, Sirs, ye know that by this craft we have our wealth.

"26": Moreover ye see and hear, that not alone at Ephesus, but almost
throughout all Asia, this Paul hath persuaded and turned away much
people, saying that they be no gods, which are made with hands:
***
"27": So that not only this our craft is in danger to be set at nought;
but also that the temple of the great goddess Diana should be despised,
and her 

Re: [CTRL] Well now ain't aol having fun. They just deleted everyone from aol off the list

2001-06-21 Thread Nessie

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Move to topica.

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Re: [CTRL] PBS Boy Scout show blasted

2001-06-21 Thread Aleisha Saba

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Well Tenorlove - consider this.   The "Gay" priders have their own flag,
a little flag to call their very own.

Now Gay Pride you would think would be proud to have their own little
cub scouts and boy and girl scouts and they could have their own little
scout section all to their own - The Gay Pride Souts of America.

Keep in mind these vicious perverts booed the American Boy Scouts when
the stood on the stage at the Democrat Convention...

Now from where would Gay Pride get all the kids, unless of course Rosie
O'Donnell would have her kids join up - for she has now come out all the
way in the open - but one child was taken away from her and her lesbian
paramour for neighbors heard screams in the night.and called police
on several occasions.

then Rosie had cancer scare and then Rosie had finger almost amputated
but her lesbian paramour slept over at the hospital and by a miracle her
life, was spared.

Now this is the element on PBS that has invaded the Sesame Street
fantasy land for children, but that kids already have Pee Wee  Herman
whom some say is about to make a come back.

So I am sure people would want to contribute to the Gay Pride Boy Scouts
and Girl Scouts or It Scouts so long as they flew their own flag, and
they were not any part of the present Order of Boy Scouts?

Seems they really go after those little cub scouts though -

Strange these people want other people's children to play with like a
bunch of little perverted Michael Jacksons and Pee Wee Hermans and Rosie
O'Donnell (now does she play mommy or does her little playmate - who
plays daddy).

Now Janet Reno would be an ideal honorary figurehead for the little Gay
Pride Boy Scouts and their leaders, and Barney Franks would be ideal for
the little Girl Scouts.how sweet.

Saba

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2001-06-21 Thread Yardbird

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Mahathir slams "lazy" Malays, warns of foreign colonialist plots

http://sg.news.yahoo.com/010621/1/14ewd.html

KUALA LUMPUR, June 21 (AFP) - Malaysia's veteran Prime Minister Mahathir
Mohamad, battling a slump in support for his ruling party, went on the
attack Thursday -- castigating Malays for laziness, greed and ingratitude.

Mahathir, who marks 20 years in power next month, also savaged opposition
parties, foreign powers and the overseas media which he said wanted to make
Malaysia a puppet state.

The premier, opening the annual meeting of the United Malays National
Organisation (UMNO), rejected criticism of his "mega-projects" and
accusations of cronyism.

He acknowledged that UMNO, which has held power as the dominant coalition
partner since independence in 1957, might become a minority Malay party in
the next election -- which must be held by 2004.

Yet Mahathir accepted no responsibility for the loss in support. "Aren't
almost all the allegations against the government baseless?" he asked at
one point.

He depicted UMNO as the only defender of Malay special rights and accused
the opposition Parti Islam SeMalaysia (PAS) of willingness to barter those
rights to win power.

Mahathir expressed frustration that a 30-year affirmative action programme,
to help majority Malays narrow the wealth gap with the minority Chinese,
had failed to achieve its target.

But the Malays were to blame.

While Malaysians could count their blessings with the strong recovery from
the 1997/98 Asian financial crisis, the 1999 election showed that "many
Malays were not grateful and tried to overthrow the government that saved
the nation (through capital controls) and the Malays themselves."

UMNO lost 22 parliamentary seats as many Malays forsook it -- partly due to
anger over the sacking and jailing of Mahathir's popular former deputy
Anwar Ibrahim.

PAS, which is also a Malay party under Malaysia's race-based political
tradition, was the main beneficiary.

Mahathir lamented the low intake of Malays into universities.

Malay children were no less intelligent than other races but "many Malay
children are lazy and uninterested in studying," he said.

PAS was encouraging students to neglect "secular" subjects in favour of
Islamic studies and discouraging mastery of English, which was crucial in
the Information Age.

Mahathir criticised a "get rich quickly" culture among Malays who
squandered economic opportunities under affirmative action.

"After 43 years of trying, after billions of ringgit allocated, after
several banks and a variety of funds are established, today the achievement
of Malays in trade and industry is still low," he said.

He added: "Is this caused by the government's lack of effort? A race which
is deprived of government assistance (the Chinese) can clearly succeed.

"Why can't the Malays who are given all sorts of help succeed?"

Mahathir renewed his attack on foreign currency speculators whom he blames
for the Asian crisis.

He criticised what he called foreigners' support for the opposition but
said their only real motive was to recolonise Malaysia economically.

"They (foreigners) hate Malaysia especially the current leadership and hate
it extremely. They especially hate it because Malaysia was able to defend
the economic and financial attack they launched (through speculators) ...

"They loathe the Malaysian government for exposing their evil intent when
it introduced the concept of globalisation and a borderless world."

Globalisation's aim was to dominate the world through Western economic might.

"It is only idiots, who always idolise the whites, who will not accept all
this."

Malaysia, Mahathir said, was hated "because we are regarded not only as a
big-headed developing country" but a country led by Muslims and, by Western
definition, a terrorist country.

"It is their (Western) media which really hate us because all they
predicted did not materialise."

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[CTRL] Fwd: Egypt Arms, Mubarak Regime Shakes

2001-06-21 Thread Aleisha Saba

No fun to fight a war is it, if both sides are armed; like Littleton,
one could hardly call that a fair fight.

But one man with 4,000 pounds of fertilizer brought down the Temple of
Justice - with a little inside help, for you know our government is not
too particular who or what is hired these days.

Then we have this terrible Osama bin Laden who is ten different places
at once - this six foot six arab with five million dollars put on his
head by Madelline Albright is still at large?

Maybe Arabs still have a certain amount of integrity.consider Mossad
and ADL and the bribing of Clinton to release Marc Rich, or this
Jonathan Pollard who acted in a manner to turn the USA against Sadaam
Hussein?

And above all Remember the USS Liberty where our men died and the enemy
napalmed and bombed them while lying wounded on deck - that wasn't
exactly a fair fight was it - in International Waters?

Stop the welfare state of Israel and take them off our welfare rolls -
what are we doing supporting a religious state wa kid in the USA cannot
say a simple prayen school?

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 Arab States, including Egypt, are arming at a growing pace.  Even combined they 
are still no match to defeat Israel.  But their detterence capabilities are growing, 
they might be able to seriously bloody Israel in years ahead, and this whole situation 
is one more factor propelling the Israeli Generals, foremost among them Ariel Sharon, 
to ponder the risks of a deadly strike now upon the Palestinians, even at the risk of 
regional war, rather than waiting for a day when the situation might be even more 
problematical and dangerous for them.
 At the same time the Mubarak Regime is showing growing signs of confusion and 
desperation..  For years the Egyptian intelligentsia remained silent as the Egyptian 
State used near barbaric means of ruthless suppression and torture against 
nationalists of Islamic orientation.  A police state of fear and lawlessness has come 
to characterize the underpinnings of the regime.  Now far milder but nevertheless 
severe repression has come to a prominent member of their own circles -- Saad Eddin 
Ibrahim -- and the message is clear to all that anyone who speaks up and opposes the 
regime should fear for the knock at the door.  As the New York Times article below 
suggests but does not say the Egyptian Secret Police and the Nazi Storm Trooers of 
yesteryear have very much in common -- and not just because S.S.I. is reminiscent of 
S.S.


 EGYPT BUYS MISSILES FROM NORTH KOREA
 
 By ELI J. LAKE and RICHARD SALE

WASHINGTON, June 18 (UPI) -- Questions about Egypt's efforts to acquire advanced 
missile technology from North Korea are likely to make the coming visit of Egyptian 
Foreign Minister Ahmad Maher el-Sayed's to Washington an awkward one, administration 
officials and intelligence sources said Monday.

Despite denials from Egyptian officials, including President Hosni Mubarak himself, 
the latest U.S. intelligence reports suggest Egypt is close to
obtaining the technology for the No Dong class missiles from North Korea, rockets with 
a range of 800 miles -- far greater than the best Scuds in the
Egyptian arsenal, which can travel at most 300 miles.

 A growing chorus of U.S. administration officials and lawmakers has privately raised 
concerns about Egypt renewing military ties with North
Korea, and the sources said the Bush administration is likely to press Maher al-Sayed 
on this issue.

 One U.S. intelligence official says recent reports estimate there are between 50 to 
300 North Korean technicians on the ground in Egypt already
working on the missile program. The source tells United Press International the 
Egyptians will have "wide exposure" to North Korean technology as a
result of the program.

 Another U.S. intelligence official tells UPI, "Egypt is pretty much going to get what 
Iran got" from the North Koreans. In Dec. 1993, Iran and North
Korea signed an agreement to build a production line capacity for the No Dong inside 
Iran, though that missile had only been tested in 1993 and
deployments were much later.

 In an interview Friday, E

[CTRL] Fwd: Mark Phillips In Reply

2001-06-21 Thread Kris Millegan




Jaye,

Thanks for the email.  I am sending this to a select few others.  Here is my
personal reply.  Feel free to forward it to Phillips and O'Brien.

Dear Mr. Phillips,

My name is Robert Sterling, and I am the editor of The Konformist.  In late
1999, Jaye Beldo's review of "Trance Formation of America" appeared on my
site.  I also wrote about your book (as well as Bryce Taylor's) in Apocalypse
Culture II, as well as Steamshovel Press and GettingIt online.

Let me apologize for not contacting you for so long.  In fact, we were in
contact long ago, but the email I had for you no longer worked and neither
did the phone number.  (Both were inactive soon after we were in email
contact.)  I do sincerely apologize over this, because I do believe that when
I personally write something about someone, I should give them the
opportunity to respond.  (I prefer to stab people in the chest over the
back.)  In fact, I have let Stephen Marshall of Guerrila News Network know he
had complete permission to give you any and all information on how to contact
me to you, as I welcomed speaking to you and allowing you space to present
your views.

Having said that, I will repeat what I said in an interview to Mr. Marshall:
I harbored no personal animosity to either you or Ms. O'Brien, but I had
serious questions about the accuracy of what was in your book.  Even more
disturbing, I had a very bad feeling that, wittingly or not, the claims in
TFoA could easily be used to manipulate people into a hysterical witch-hunt
state, and could be used to smear those who are innocent of charges made by
you and Cathy, Bryce, and others.  I felt if people were not careful, they
could be whipped into a fascist state of mindlessly agreeing to any charge
made by alleged CIA sex slaves into a conspiracy underground version of
McCarthyism.

Frankly, I find your letter to Jaye Beldo a little disturbing in that you
allege to have put him on a "shortlist of potentially dangerous sexual
predators" even though your only evidence of this is that he wrote a review
of your book that you didn't like.  Here are some other thoughtful quotes:

"...until you are apprehended for being a physical threat to yourself & or
innocent others you will remain at large but never-the-less well
identified... As within moments from the time you may eventually be arrested
for some alledged charge of illegal/immoral activities, I will be notified
and will do all in my power of influence to see that you are legally
seperated from society until you have had the time necessary to do what you
proposed  for others less appreciative of your sick "review"... to get a hold
of yourself..or allow an inmate to take matters into their own hands..and
change your thoughts towards acceptance of brutal criminal activity."

Somehow, this seems to underscore my misgivings of your work being used to
whip people into a fascist witch hunt.

If you would like to talk, I'd be happy to by email.  I'd give you my phone
number, but my confidence in your basic decency and integrity is now into
serious question, and I don't trust what you'd do with that information.  In
any case, my offer to you of putting any information up by you on my site is
still good.

Robert Sterling
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Editor, The Konformist
http://www.konformist.com

<
    please post the following.  Mark Phillips is threatening to separate me
from society because of the Trance Formation review.  If you could put a link
to the review I wrote that would be great.

peace,

Jaye

--

Hello Konformist Fans,

    I recently received the following letter from "Intelligence insider" Mark
Phillips in response to a review I wrote of the book 'Trance Formation of
America' for the Konformist.   Check out the review on the Konformist web
site if you haven't already.

Sincerely,

The Lone Nutter
aka Jaye C. Beldo
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Greetings Lonely Nut,
    After reading your so called "review" of our labor-of love for all
humanity TRANCE Formation of America,even for vulgar sensationalist such as
you..I was amazed that you would have the audacity to put our email address
on your spam mail list, which promotes your web site version of
unconscienable nonsense. You apparently were seeking some imaginary sexual
entertainment for yourself  as indicated by what you  wrote if in fact you
actually even have seen a copy of TFoA ..much less actually read it in it's
entirety.if you had you would have requested additional supporting
information directly from either Cathy O'Brien or myself. You did not..nor
did you request an interview with us either in person or telephonically. This
action I believe is impossible for an alledged coward such as you have been
called by supporters  of ours who have seen your site and subsequent
suggestion to them the readers to obtain a jar of Vasaline. I would certainly
welcome the opporunity to meet you in person and discuss your misgivings
about the intent of our work and what it was/is t

[CTRL] Fwd: [GATA] Michael Bolser documents more manipulation of Comex gold price

2001-06-21 Thread Kris Millegan





12:28a ET Thursday, June 21, 2001

Dear Friend of GATA and Gold:

GATA supporter Michael Bolser has documented more
manipulation of the gold price on the Comex. You
can read his report at Reg Howe's Internet site:

http://www.goldensextant.com/commentaryBA.html#anchor65565

CHRIS POWELL, Secretary/Treasurer
Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee Inc.




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Re: [CTRL] HELLO COMRADES -- ALGERIA MEETING -- Antiimperialist Camp News

2001-06-21 Thread Michael Pugliese

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   I love it! Schlafley followed by this in the digest! These be the
comrades from the International Leninist Current, no? The Milosevic fan
club?
Like those old Soviet Peace Council meetings?
Michael Pugliese

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   Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 16:17:20 EDT
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Subject: HELLO COMRADES -- ALGERIA MEETING -- Antiimperialist Camp News

Subj:Open Letter to 15th World Festival in Algeria
Date:   6/20/2001 8:39:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time
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Open letter to the International Preparatory Committee of the 15th World
Festival of Youth and Students in Algeria

Dear comrades,

Please accept our fraternal greetings to you and all the participants of the
forthcoming international festival. We welcome the festival as one
expression
of the struggle against imperialism which is suffocating the peoples of the
world and even threatening the very existence of humanity. In order to
defeat
our common enemy all the anti-imperialist forces around the world must
co-operate and strive to join hands in this struggle for life and death.
This
is why we propose that we mutually exchange delegation between the World
Festival, August 8-16, and the Anti-imperialist Camp, Assisi, July 28-August
5.

However, we have some burning questions regarding the most urgent
necessities
of the global anti-imperialist struggle:

Why have you chosen Algeria as the place to meet? You must have been aware
of
the civil war raging in this tortured county since one decade during which
the regime has proved to be a "model pupil of the IMF"? (as your German
preparatory committee admits it openly; see
http://weltfestspiele.online.de/kabylei1.html, May 29, 2001) You refer to
the
glorious Algerian liberation struggle but these times have definitely gone.
Already in 1988 the Algerian youth has been protesting against the austerity
programme imposed on them by the regime servile to imperialism and was
crushed violently. Non of the popular demands have been met and in the early
90ies a military dictatorship has been erected in order to keep the
pro-Western regime in power against the free will of the overwhelming
majority of the population. And why you keep insisting in this emergency
situation? Today the regime is about to repress another legitimate social
rebellion blaming it to be separatist. But this is simply a pretext as the
movement in Kabylia has met strong echo in the poor arabophone youth and has
explicitly stated to defend the national unity of Algeria as a gain of the
liberation struggle. Do you really think that an anti-imperialist gathering
can take the support of such a regime and thus support it politically?

And what about the solidarity with the Palestinian people? Their new
Intifada
is a cry for international solidarity. With no word you mention the
necessity
to stop the Zionist massacre and that all democratic and peace-loving forces
of the world urgently have to rally behind this sorely afflicted people to
defend their most elementary human right against the Israeli and Western
"humanitarian" crusaders: the right of self-determination.

We also have to insist on the solidarity with the Colombian people. One of
the most powerful popular movements of the world is defending itself in arms
against a cruel war unleashed by the narco-oligarchy backed by US
imperialism. Millions have lost their land and have been displaced, tens of
thousands of militant peasants and workers have been killed by the death
squads. With the Plan Colombia imperialism is stepping up its aggression.
Therefore we have to take immediate action.

We hope that you will consider our suggestions and will choose a different
place for the festival. We would be happy if we could reach commitments for
common action not only referring to the solidarity with the most outstanding
anti-imperialist struggles but also for a more general and systematic
co-operation which should be the concrete outcome of our  international
gatherings.

With the most fraternal anti-imperialist greetings
The political committee of the anti-imperialist camp
June 19, 2001




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[CTRL] The Sudan Peace Act: Perpetuating Africa's Longest War

2001-06-21 Thread ESPAC

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The European-Sudanese Public Affairs Council
1 Northumberland Avenue
London
WC2N 5BW
England

Tel:020 7872 5434
Fax:020 7753 2848

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Date of Publication: June 2001




THE 'SUDAN PEACE ACT':  PERPETUATING AFRICA'S LONGEST WAR


On 13 June 2001, the United States House of Representatives passed "An
Act to facilitate relief efforts and a comprehensive solution to the war
in Sudan", also referred to as the 'Sudan Peace Act'. A more explicit
example of confused, distorted and poorly-informed legislation would be
hard to find. It is an Act that while paying lip service to the need for
a "negotiated, peaceful settlement to the war in Sudan" at the same time
provides one side to the conflict with millions of dollars worth of
logistical assistance. It is an Act that decries the manipulation of
food aid while ignoring the fact that the side it is supporting has been
accused of diverting two-thirds of food aid within the areas it
controls. It is also an act which decries the abuse of human rights
within Sudan but provides millions of dollars to those accused of
appalling human rights abuses in Sudan.

In so doing the United States seeks to continue foreign interference in
a conflict that has raged since 1955, fought, in its most recent phase,
since 1983 between the Khartoum government and the Sudan People's
Liberation Army (SPLA) led by John Garang. Even a brief examination of
attempts to achieve a comprehensive solution to the conflict in Sudan
and relief efforts within that country reveal the deep flaws within this
legislation.


A "negotiated, peaceful settlement to the war in Sudan"

In any examination of the search for a "negotiated, peaceful settlement
to the war in Sudan", a little should be said first about those people
who drafted this Act. The Act was drafted by legislators such as
Representatives Tancredo, Wolf and Payne and Senators Frist, Brownback
and Feingold, whose previous involvement with Sudan had resulted in an
escalation in the Sudanese conflict and regional tensions. In April
2001, former United States President Carter, one of the most respected
and objective commentators on events within Sudan, said of this period:
"For the last eight years, the U.S. has had a policy which I strongly
disagree with in Sudan, supporting the revolutionary movement and not
working for an overall peace settlement." (1)  This echoed earlier
concerns voiced by Carter. In December 1999 he had observed:

"The people in Sudan want to resolve the conflict. The biggest obstacle
is US government policy. The US is committed to overthrowing the
government in Khartoum. Any sort of peace effort is aborted, basically
by policies of the United States...Instead of working for peace in
Sudan, the US government has basically promoted a continuation of the
war." (2)

It is clear, then, that these legislators are hardly the best qualified
group of people to talk about peace in Sudan. Far from working for peace
they have stood by while the United States militarily and economically
destabilised the largest country in Africa. They helped shape American
Sudan policy from 1993 onwards - precisely the period referred to by
Carter. While they publicly lament the numbers of deaths during this
conflict, they are themselves directly responsible for the deaths
through war, starvation or disease of thousands of Sudanese. Far from
taking Carter's concerns into consideration, the 'Sudan Peace Act'
merely perpetuates the Clinton Administration's failed and farcical
Sudan policies. The United States Congress has shown itself either
amazingly naïve or blatantly hypocritical in drafting the 'Sudan Peace
Act'. In either case this piece of legislation reflects very badly
indeed on Congress.

This American attitude is all the more regrettable since the Sudanese
government has repeatedly invited constructive United States involvement
within Sudan. (3)


A "comprehensive solution to the war in Sudan"?

While making for good rhetoric, Congressional calls for a comprehensive
solution illustrate either naivety or cynicism. For a solution there has
to be some sort of political objective on the part of those waging war
on the Sudanese government. The political complexion of the SPLA
movement has varied from professedly Marxist through to now politically
identifying with American Bible-belt Christian fundamentalists. Even on
such a fundamental issue as to whether the SPLA is fighting for a
separate south or a united Sudan, there continues to be confusion. (4)

The war has always been about the political status of southern Sudan.
While the SPLA appear to be confused, the Khartoum authorities' approach
would appear to be clear. If the SPLA are fighting for autonomy or even
separation this has already been offered by the government. In 1997,
having already introduced a federal system and exempted southern Sudan
from Sharia law, the Sudanese Government, in the Khartoum Peace
Agreement, also offered, amongst other thi

[CTRL] FC: New Jersey student in trouble for writing paper on 'shrooms (fwd)

2001-06-21 Thread Yardbird

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Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:54:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: "J.D. Abolins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Matthew Gaylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: FYI: NJ student's psych fungus paper raises free speech issues

The Trenton Times Wed. 20 June 2001
http://www.nj.com/mercer/times/index.ssf?/mercer/times/06-20-CVQR1QHB.html

No fun in psychedelic fungus
06/20/01

By KAREN AYRES
Staff Writer

HOPEWELL TOWNSHIP -- Tristan Longino never thought his freshman biology
report on psilocybin mushrooms would cause a ruckus.

The fungus -- typically known as "magic mushrooms" because of its
hallucinogenic effect -- seemed like a good topic three years ago because
of the wide variety of available research material, said Longino, who is
now 18 and has just graduated.

But not everyone agreed.

Longino's teacher at Hopewell Valley Central High School refused to give
Longino any credit for the scientific brochure the youngster created until
he removed all references to human consumption of the illegal drug.

Longino refused.

A state appeals court yesterday upheld a decision by the state Board of
Education in support of the school system


While part of the teacher's response to the paper involved issues of the
writing quality (e.g.; the teacher did not think humaor was appropiate for
a science paper), another part of the situation involved the view that
school should not recognize any student work to seems to promote use of
illicit drugs.

An interesting excerpt from the article:

The court ruling also dictated that it did not matter whether Longino
intended to advocate drug use because the brochure "might reasonably be
perceived" as advocating or at least not deterring drug use.


"...not deterring drug use?" Hmmm, does this imply a duty for all student
writers to actively put in anti-drug messages just make sure they were
not "draft dodgers" in the war on drugs? 

J.D. Abolins
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Re: [CTRL] Body Bags Readied For Euro Protestors

2001-06-21 Thread Aleisha Saba

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Today, body bags are not made of burlap not here - but then, how many
people put trash out in China or Korea using bags costing ten cents a
piece.

Imagine there are cheaper by the dozen too.

Regardless, ordering of these bags and publicizing same is form of
intimidation; however, it could be it will also have negataive effect
upon the police?

Another form of intimidation and censorship.   Fer tactics and I imagine
the EU has already hired their guns by now - for their are a lot of Tim
McVeighs still out there, out of work and down and out in America.

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[CTRL] AccuWeather X-Forecast

2001-06-21 Thread magnetic_field



this is kind of cute http://www.accuweather.com/adcbin/alien_index?nav=home
 AccuWeather X-Forecast.url


Re: [CTRL] PBS Boy Scout show blasted

2001-06-21 Thread YnrChyldzWyld

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On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Tenorlove wrote:
>Am I a homophobe because I'm not obsessed with sex 24/7?

Neither are most homosexuals.


>And where did you get the
>censorship angle? Are you saying that my children and I should be
>forced to watch homosexual programming?

Who was forcing you to turn on PBS's "POV" the other night?

Yet you would force others NOT to watch the show by your call for banning
such programs...

No one's forcing you to watch Showtime's "Queer As Folk", either...does
that show upset you as equally as the "POV" segment?


> I'm no longer amazed or
>surprised that a sex maniac is trying to shove that lifestyle down my
>and my children's throats.

Are you now saying that all people who are sexually attracted to those of
their same sex are "sex maniacs"?



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Re: [CTRL] PBS Boy Scout show blasted

2001-06-21 Thread Tenorlove

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--- Mark McHugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Is an individual a homophobe if they do not like the homosexual
> lifestyle?
>
> I know that the "-phobe" part of "homophobe" means "fear", from the
> Greek noun "phobos".  Does dislike now equal fear?  Are those who do
> not like Scouts now "proskopophobes", those who fear Scouts?

Personally, Mark, I think the phobe part is that these sex-driven
people may be afraid of leaving even one creature on the planet left
unlaid, regardless of age, sex or species. Heaven forbid a young child
should remain innocent.

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Re: [CTRL] PBS Boy Scout show blasted

2001-06-21 Thread Tenorlove

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> YnrChyldzWyld wrote:
> >
> > -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > I'm always amazed (but shouldn't be surprised) when homophobes
> condemn
> > something without actually having seen it, and then try to impose
> > censorship so that no one else can see it, either...
> >
> > June

Am I a homophobe because I'm not obsessed with sex 24/7? I'd have to be
a heterophobe, too, by your reasoning, since I turn off the TV when the
theme is sex, regardless of what type. And where did you get the
censorship angle? Are you saying that my children and I should be
forced to watch homosexual programming? I'm no longer amazed or
surprised that a sex maniac is trying to shove that lifestyle down my
and my children's throats. There's an inverse relationship between
obsession and action, you know.

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Re: [CTRL] Body Bags Readied For Euro Protestors

2001-06-21 Thread YnrChyldzWyld

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On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Aleisha Saba wrote:
>Still wonder - it is reported Marc Rich's father made his big money in
>burlap bags - for he realized with he war in Korea there would be big
>need for body bags

Body bags aren't made out of burlap.



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Re: [CTRL] Jacques Cousteau, Environmental Liar? (fwd)

2001-06-21 Thread YnrChyldzWyld

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Perhaps Cousteau wasn't lying.  Perhaps he sincerely believed the
pessimistic outlook he described.  He's no longer here to explain, so
it's easy to make him a target.

Perhaps also the many environmental protection laws enacted since that
speech 30 years ago did something to avert the gloomy future Cousteau
envisioned...



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[CTRL] Making Unwanted Things Go Away

2001-06-21 Thread Dale Stonehouse

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Making Unwanted Things Go Away
June 21, 2001

A few years ago I was given a book for Christmas whose purpose was to warn
parents about the dangers of New Age concepts for young children. I won't
give the name of the book for reasons that will become apparent.

Among the targets of this book were Barney the Dinosaur, E.T. the
Extraterrestrial, and the channeling of Ramtha by J.Z. Knight. I read the
book in a day and threw it away, something I rarely do.

There are certainly some fraudulent people promoting New Age ideas; but this
book picked targets that were either ridiculous or so easy to discredit
anyone could do it, Christian or not.

After finishing the book I realized it may do more to spread awareness of
the things it was trying to stamp out than to realize its stated goal.

You see, awareness is spread not only by promotion but by attack. When a
child or adult for that matter is presented with the idea of "not Barney" it
is not much different from "Barney." Those who knew nothing about Barney,
after being told how bad he is, may want to know more about Barney. This is
awareness not possessed by the reader beforehand.

It has been said that the universe does not know the word "not." The
universe, as its root word would indicate, is a unity concept. Yes and no
are the framework of duality, not unity.

For this reason it is awareness and not positivity or negativity that counts
most. You don't get someone to think about something besides elephants by
saying, "for the next two minutes DO NOT think about elephants." Try it.

You see this in the natural world where animal parents raising young take
your attention elsewhere instead of sitting by the nest and squawking "don't
look right here."

So those who want anything to go away, whether it is gays, Democrats,
Republicans, drugs or aliens, are not going to accomplish their goal by
spreading awareness of that particular plague.

My first experience with this came as a young child when I read obscene
graffiti aloud in the presence of my mother, who ascribed evil intent to
this innocent act. "Don't ever say that word," she said, which only made me
very curious about a word I was previously unaware of but that was so
powerful.

Someone has said "If you want more of something, declare war on it."

Remember that next time you join a crusade against a particular lifestyle,
religion, political ideology or government policy. It may be better for your
purposes to be FOR something else. But that requires a 180-degree switch
from negative to positive, which some people find very difficult.

To apply that to a recent earth event, those who badly wanted Tim McVeigh
not to exist only served to publicize his cause far beyond what he could
have done on his own from a death row prison cell. Did he know that?
Possibly.

A child learns at a very young age that he/she can get attention by being
either good or bad. To a child it matters not which, it is the attention
that is important.

**No "facts" included**
**Opinion only**

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[CTRL] Well now ain't aol having fun. They just deleted everyone from aol off the list

2001-06-21 Thread Kris Millegan

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