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09-20-01: "Never Bound By the Truth"

By Chris George and Denis Wright.

"Read cover to cover. Never bound by the truth."  -The former motto of Joe 
Scarborough's former paper, the Independent Florida Sun

September 20, 2001-Juanita and Andreas Bergmann had an appointment at 8 a.m., July 20, 
at the Fort Walton Beach office of then Congressman Joe Scarborough (R-FL). The 
appointment had been arranged by the congressman's young aide, Lori Klausutis, and Mr. 
and Mrs. Bergmann thought they were going to meet with the congressman to facilitate 
Mr. Bergmann's application for a green card. Instead, they found the body of Lori 
Klausutis.

Lori Klausutis, 28, had been the picture of health and vitality, an avid runner who 
ran five miles a day. She was highly regarded by friends and co-workers who called her 
"Little Miss Mary Sunshine." She was the immediate past president of the Emerald Coast 
Young Republicans.

Klausutis had worked for Scarborough since May 1999. She was based at the 
Congressman's Fort Walton Beach office. Miguel ("Mick") Serrano, Scarborough's press 
secretary, said Klausutis' duties as constituent services coordinator included 
handling appointments and walk-in visits from people who wanted to contact Scarborough 
about specific issues. "I know Lori will be missed by the thousands of citizens who 
regularly contact my office to seek assistance with a variety of problems," 
Scarborough said in a statement issued several hours after her body was found.

Even before the autopsy, police assured the public that "there was no sign of foul 
play and no trauma to the body." During the following weeks the medical examiner, Dr. 
Michael Berkland, released conflicting statements to the local press, eventually 
reaching this conclusion: he speculated that Lori had suffered an abnormal heart 
rhythm, due to a previously undiagnosed heart condition, causing her to fall, striking 
her head against a desk. This caused a blow to the head severe enough to cause death.

Speaking Ill of the Dead

On the morning of July 20, within three hours after Lori's body was found and even 
before her family had been notified, the ABC affiliate in Pensacola (WEAR, channel 3) 
published on its website "Scarborough's office says Klausutis had a history of health 
problems . . . they believe she died Thursday afternoon." When queried on WEAR's 
source, Tom Wahl, an assignments editor stated that he "heard a representative from 
the D.C. office who was in town mention 'a history of health problems.'" Anna Dobbins 
of WEAR stated that the station had received a phone call around 11 a.m. on July 20 
from Joe Scarborough himself, stating that "a young woman had died in his office and 
that she had a complicated medical history, specifically surrounding 'stroke and 
epilepsy.'" About a week later, according to Dobbins, Scarborough's press secretary 
Miguel Serrano called back to ask that they stop reporting the "complicated health 
history" part of the story. Joe, he said, had spoken in error. When confronted with 
statements by WEAR staff that her boss had been passing on details of Klausutis' 
health, Scarborough staffer Lois Hoyt called it a "lie" that Scarborough had done so.

WGTX radio, 1280AM, reported on its web site "[Scarborough] staff members told WGTX 
that Klausutis was suffering with ill health for some time." When queried, Ron Kelly, 
news director, stated that not long before Lori's death, they'd done an on the air 
interview with Joe on his upcoming resignation. He also said he had spoken with Miguel 
Serrano who told him that Lori suffered from ill health.

R. S. Miller, an investigator on this story, said she then called Serrano back and 
told him that the reporters were standing by their stories regarding the nature and 
the timing of the release of the reports from Scarborough's office and, indeed, 
Scarborough himself. Serrano refused to confirm or deny whether he had even spoken to 
these newspersons, and he would not comment on whether the newspersons were lying or 
even mistaken. When asked about Lois Hoyt's claim that the news stations were lying 
Serrano responded, "Isn't there anything else you could be doing?"

When told that Hoyt called it an outright lie that Scarborough had told WEAR that 
Klausutis had suffered stroke and epilepsy, WEAR's Anna Dobbins snapped, "What's the 
story here? Politicians always backtrack."

Norm Klausutis, Lori's father-in-law, sent a scathing letter to the Northwest Florida

[CTRL] Fwd: Salon, 1998: Is bin Laden a terrorist mastermind -- or a fall guy?






 "... When a car bomb exploded at a Saudi National Guard office in
Riyadh in 1995, killing five Americans, and another blew up at the Khobar
Towers Barracks in Dhahran a year later, killing another 19, bin Laden
seemed the most likely suspect. But neither the FBI, the CIA nor the Saudi
intelligence services has ever been able to establish bin Laden's links to
those crimes after years of trying. What evidence that has emerged from
those ongoing investigations points the finger at dissident Saudi Shiites,
perhaps with the logistic support of the Lebanese Hezbollah organization, or
even Iran"
__
http://www.salon.com/news/1998/08/27news.html

Is bin Laden a terrorist mastermind --
or a fall guy?

The Clinton administration accuses Saudi renegade Osama bin Laden of being
directly responsible for almost every terrorist act of the last decade. But
where's the evidence?

BY LOREN JENKINS
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

"Our target was terror. Our mission was clear."
-- President Clinton, Aug. 20, 1998

To the litany of terrorist acts that President Clinton laid at the feet of
renegade Saudi millionaire Osama bin Laden in justification of his cruise
missile attacks on Afghanistan and the Sudan last week, the administration
has now alleged a murky plot to assassinate the president as well.

The alleged plot against Clinton was to have taken place when he was to have
visited Pakistan. The anonymous intelligence sources that have made such an
industry in bin Laden revelations this week acknowledge that the plot never
went beyond the coffee-shop talking stage.

But the charge helped to reinforce the president's claims that bin Laden is
"perhaps the preeminent organizer and financier of international terrorism
in the world today," and that there was "compelling" -- if unrevealable --
evidence that a network of terrorist groups he controlled was planning
"further attacks against Americans and other freedom-loving groups."

At a time when presidential veracity is at an all-time low, one might have
wished that the president and his national security advisors had laid out in
detail just what was the "compelling evidence" that led the United States to
launch some 75 missiles at two sovereign nations.

As it is, the public, both here in the United States and in the more
critical world at large, is being asked to take a giant Kierkegaardian leap
of faith in the president's claims. Given Clinton's recent track record in
the "trust me" department, this is a lot to demand.

For while there is little doubt that bin Laden is a sworn enemy of the
United States with the financial means to put some teeth in that enmity, his
exact role in anti-American terrorism is unclear. The administration's
claims are based more on conjecture -- mostly bin Laden's own braggadocio
and the bad company he apparently keeps -- than hard and convincing
evidence.

Clinton and his security staff have now blamed bin Laden for being behind
almost every terrorist act in the past decade -- from plotting the
assassinations of the pope and the president of Egypt to the planned bombing
of six U.S. jumbo jets over the Pacific, with massacres of German tourists
at Luxor and the killings of U.S. troops in Somalia, fatal car bombings of
U.S. military personnel in Saudi Arabia and this month's truck bombings of
the U.S. embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam thrown in. Not since the
'70s heyday of the terrorist Carlos has there been such a Prince of
Darkness, if the allegations are to be believed.

But so far, for all of the accusations, no government, not even that of the
United States, has established enough credible evidence against bin Laden to
conclusively prove his direct participation in, much less leadership of, any
of the ugly plots and acts he stands accused of. To date no formal request
for his extradition has ever been made, either to the Sudanese government
that once housed him or to his current hosts, Afghanistan's Taliban leaders.

Though it was suddenly leaked this week that a federal grand jury's
continuing investigation into the World Trade Center bombing in New York
City in 1993 had belatedly handed up a sealed indictment against bin Laden
in June, the indictment is understood to be only for "sedition," that is,
incitement to violence, not the violence itself. That is the same charge
under which the Unites States previously convicted Egyptian cleric Sheik
Omar Abdel Rahman, the Trade Center bomber's spiritual leader.

The only link between bin Laden and the World Trade Center bombing seems to
be the fact that the mastermind of the bombing, Ramzi Ahmed Yousef, was
eventually detained by U.S. agents while living in a guest house in Pakistan
reportedly rented by bin Laden. The Saudi was also implicated in a failed
1994 plan to blow up American jumbo jets over the Pacific because the plot
mastermind, Wali Khan Amin Shah, reportedly was a "close friend" of bin
Laden's.

If bin Laden's fingerprin

[CTRL] Fwd: [GATA] 'Midas' commentary for September 20, 2001






'MIDAS' COMMENTARY FOR SEPTEMBER 20, 2001
COPYRIGHT 2001, WWW.LEMETROPOLECAFE.COM

By Bill Murphy
www.LeMetropoleCafe.com
September 20, 2001

What a great speech tonight by President Bush!

I received a call from Europe this morning from someone
involved in the gold physical market. If you want to
buy 100 ounces of gold, the price is $300 to $303. The
spreads between bid and asked were $20 yesterday, $12
today. The disconnect between the physical market and
the paper market has begun. And there is no silver of
any size for sale at all in Europe.

* From Cafe member Pete S:

"Went to a local coin shop yesterday for some eagles
and learned that the random-dated ones (slightly
cheaper) are not available for immediate shipment and
are backordered for two- or three-week delivery. The
2001 issue is still available but the premium over spot
has climbed to more than $20/oz versus about $12 a few
weeks ago."

* Great news for Newmont Mining.

Newmont Climbing Higher Following Upgrade

"RealTimeTraders.com: Newmont Mining Corp. (NEM)
gapped down slightly this morning but has moved sharply
higher. The stock is now up 0.44 at 23.24 on average
volume. Newmont has been climbing higher for the last 2
weeks and is trading at nearly a 4-month high. The
stock was upgraded today by Goldman Sachs from a
'market perform' to a 'market outperform.'

Goldman Sachs? On the same day a super-gold bear
(below) turns super-bullish? The day after Robert Rubin
was in Washington meeting with Congress?

* From John Brimelow:

  On the one hand, all the signs are acummulating that
  sophisticated GATA-orientated pessimists would
  expect: higher lease rates have been met with
  lending, "excellent selling ... located around $294-
  5" in Standard London's words, MarketVane's Bullish
  Consensus up to a creepy 82 percent, indicating a
  frustrated speculator community,

  "There seems to be a cap around the $294-5 area," as
  Mitsui-Sydney puts it, and of course Comex volumes
  are up strongly, especially when the abbreviated
  session is factored in.

  On the other hand, physical demand in a number of
  sometimes quite surprising markets (such as Europe)
  continues strong -- "healthy more or less
  everywhere," the WGC report says. Macro events could
  hardly be more supportive (one hopes!), the gold
  share indices keep creeping up even on gold down
  days, and we have the significant if astonishing
  event of a well-known gold bear turning mega bullish.
  "This is the big one." "Environment like the '60s and
  70s." "Close your eyes; buy gold."

  The fact is that this bear has been at least as good
  as anyone else in the past decade at forecasting gold
  prices, and he is clearly a great deal brighter than
  most in the field. At the very least, if gold does
  not rise, a new explanation should be forthcoming.

  In all the confusion, few have noticed the Pasminco
  bankruptcy in Australia. A major event, it appears
  this world-class zinc producer, which should have
  been protected from low zinc prices by the weak A$,
  was instead ruined by excessively clever currency
  hedging. A direct blow to the perpetrators, and a
  caution to producers. Bullion dealers report that few
  Australian gold miners are hedging into this close to
  record A$ gold price, in part due to credit
  constraints.

-END-





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[CTRL] Fwd: [GATA] CBSMarketWatch commentary cites GATA and lawsuit






11p ET Thursday, September 20, 2001

Dear Friend of GATA and Gold:

Thom Calandra's commentary today at www.CBSMarketWatch.com
dealt at length, toward the end, with gold, GATA, and Reg
Howe's lawsuit against the gold cabal. It's below.

CHRIS POWELL, Secretary/Treasurer
Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee Inc.

* * *

By Thom Calandra
www.CBSMarketWatch.com
September 20, 2001

SAN FRANCISCO -- It's the rare American investor who is
escaping this week's market pounding.

With the exception of a handful of short-selling mutual
funds, such as the Potomac U.S. Short Fund, which
inversely tracks the S&P 500 Index and has gained
7.5 percent thus far this week, few investments have
benefited individuals.

Even municipal bonds, which are tax-free and generally
mimic the behavior of Treasury securities, have seen a
year-long rally shrivel in New York, California,
Massachusetts and other states. Muni-bond mutual funds
on average were up about 5.5 percent for the year,
before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks sent net asset
values down almost a half-percent, according to
Morningstar.

Hardest hit may be Port Authority and Battery Park City
bonds, which "continue to weaken on the bid side," one
Manhattan-based trader said Thursday. Battery Park City
surrounds the destroyed World Trade Center. Bonds of
the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, owner of
the destroyed World Trade Center, were put on Standard
& Poor's CreditWatch with a negative outlook
Thursday.

Sheila Amoroso, a muni-bond portfolio manager with the
Franklin Templeton mutual fund family, notes that East
Coast municipal agencies may step up their demands for
cash as infrastructure needs increase. In California,
which seems far removed from New York City, lawmakers
appear poised to approve ballot measures that would
seek $22.8 billion of school bonds. Such a record-
breaking supply of bonds, if approved by voters, would
be a further damper on the muni-bond market. Still,
"our market went into this disaster with a lot of
cash," Amoroso says. "People are attracted to the
(muni-bond) market for diversification." To be sure,
the art of spreading one's bets is benefiting some
investors, mostly those with deep pockets. Investors
with access to market-neutral and short-bias hedge
funds are faring well.

Dedicated short-bias hedge funds were up almost 7
percent as a group through August, before the attack,
according to the CSFB/Tremont Hedge Fund Index. August
data for the index are preliminary because of the World
Trade Center attack, the index compiler says.

Unfortunately, wealthy individuals, and the
institutions that operate or invest in hedge funds,
generally can dip into their profits just once a year.
That's in January, which looks a long way from here.
The VIX trick Volatility indicators for the stock
market are puzzling. Gauges such as the VIX, VXN and
QQV measure estimates of expected market volatility by
using the bid and ask quotes on equity index options.
The VIX, for example, is calculated by taking a
weighted average of the implied volatilities of eight
S&P 100 Index calls and puts. Puts are option-contract
bets the indexes will fall, and calls are bets they'll
rise.

The so-called VIX, the CBOE Market Volatility Index,
has gone to 49 from 35 before the Sept. 11 terrorist
attacks. This may indicate that investors, greatly
stepping up the put contracts they are buying as
insurance against the falling stock market, have thrown
in the towel. Such disgust with the market could be
foreshadowing that the major indexes are ready to turn
higher. Not so fast. "The fact the VIX is now trading
at levels that have previously been market bottoms is
good; however there are a few differences," says Chris
Johnson, whose work as a senior quantitative analyst at
Schaeffer's Investment Research has correctly forecast
many of the stock market's down, and up, moves this
year.

Johnson says in the October 1998 and October 1997 sell-
offs, when the VIX struck 45, the stock market's major
indexes, like the Standard & Poor's 100 and 500, were
trading above most major long-term moving averages.
Such a pattern indicated at the time that the S&P 500,
the benchmark U.S. stock market index, and other equity
benchmarks had "a great deal of support."

For instance, the October 1998 damage to the S&P 500
Index, in the wake of the Long Term Capital Management
fiasco, "was contained by its 21-month moving average,"
he points out. This week, the market "is trading well
into bear market territory, so we should expect to see
some investor fear priced into the market, which is not
the case in a bull market," Johnson said from
Cincinnati. "This means that we would expect to see
higher levels of the VIX achieved before the market
puts in a credible bottom."

How high? Johnson and other quantitative analysts
aren't exactly sure. But don't be surprised to see the
VIX, which is shown here on a chart, to go as high as
60.6, its October 1998 intra-day high, before bargain-
hunters return.

Re: [CTRL] Fw: FIRST WAR OF THE 21ST CENTURY

2001-09-20 Thread Cliff Hume


-Caveat Lector-

The present government, owned by the Federal Reserve and the Council on
Foreign Relations, know exactly what they are doing. A war is badly needed
to save the illegal money system from collapse. In doing this, yet another
phoney war thing, the crooks in power would also be gaining more power over
the people.

This present infiltrated government would love to have Marshall Law, thus
negating the constitution so they could run roughshod over the people
without getting themselves thrown out of government.

They want power over people; not power to the people. The present
administration has over three hundred and fifty traitors in it.

Yours truly,

Cliff Hume.


At 06:43 AM 9/20/01 +0200, you wrote:
>-Caveat Lector-
>
>>
>> Krasnaya Zvezda
>>
>> September 18, 2001
>>
>> FIRST WAR OF THE 21ST CENTURY
>>
>> The United States is not ready to fight internationl terrorism The US
>> government is drawing the wrong conclusions from this tragedy
>>
>> Author: Yuri Pankov
>>
>> [from WPS Monitoring Agency, www.wps.ru/e_index.html]
>>
>> RELYING ON ITS NATO ALLIES, THE UNITED STATES HOPES TO BE ABLE TO
>> DEFEAT TERRORISM ALL ON ITS OWN. LIKEWISE, IT HOPES TO CREATE A WORLD
>> TO SUIT ITSELF. WASHINGTON STILL HOPES TO BE ABLE TO TAME TERRORISTS
>> AND USE THEM IN FUTURE AGAINST ITS REAL OR IMAGINED ENEMIES.
>>
>>  Several years ago, analysts began to note an increase in the
>> numbers of terrorist groups, their size, development of military
>> power, and more extensive contacts between them. These assumptions
>> were subsequently confirmed when Arab instructors were found to be
>> working with guerrilla detachments in Chechnya, and Chechen
>> mercenaries in Kosovo; when the flows of money circulating in the
>> world of international terrorism were uncovered.
>>  Washington and some Western capitals apparently drew inadequate
>> conclusions at the time, resolving to use the factor of terrorism to
>> promote their own goals. First Kosovo and then Macedonia were chosen
>> for implementation of the Western theory of "controlled terrorism".
>> Terrorists received moral and material support in both cases. Albanian
>> terrorist organizations in Yugoslavia even coordinated their actions
>> with NATO aviation.
>>  Russia found itself under unprecedented pressure because of the
>> counter-terrorist operation in Chechnya. Emissaries of Chechen
>> guerrillas were received in Washington and European capitals, while
>> Moscow was threatened with international sanctions. The West was even
>> suspected of manipulating the Taliban in order to undermine what
>> stability there was on the southern borders of Russia and the CIS.
>>  It soon became clear that there could be no such thing as
>> "controlled terrorism". As soon as terrorists spread their wings, they
>> turn against their former patrons. It happened in Kosovo, and
>> something similar is now happening in Macedonia. What happened in the
>> United States last week is best described by the relatively new term
>> "terrorist attack". Some analysts don't rule out the possibility that
>> the terrorist attacks in New York City and Washington are just the
>> start of a bona fide terrorist war against the United States.
>>  The US Administration is also talking about a "war" nowadays.
>> However, judging by Washington's intention to use bombs against
>> terrorists, it appears that the United States doesn't understand what
>> kind of war this is going to be. Analysts, including American
>> analysts, say traditional weapons and methods typical of conflicts of
>> another generation cannot be effective against large-scale terrorism.
>>  "All too frequently, criminal infrastructures cannot be destroyed
>> by our high-precision weapons systems," said General Wayne A. Downing
>> of the US special forces, long before the events of September 11. "As
>> a rule, these gangs don't have fixed locations and the criminals live
>> in densely-populated areas under the guise of ordinary citizens. It is
>> there that they hide weapons and ammunition. The use of high-precision
>> weapons systems will only result in numerous civilian casualties,
>> while the criminals will not be affected." Downing was referring to
>> Israel. Short of personnel, Israel could not maintain effective
>> control over the security zone in southern Lebanon, from which
>> Hezbollah was launching missiles. In desperation, Israel opted to try
>> high-precision weapons systems. The results are well known: numerous
>> casualties among noncombatants and condemnation of Israel by the
>> international community. The terrorists received further confirmation
>> of their own immunity.
>>  If the United States now follows suit, the international support
>> it presently has will soon fade. Much will be recalled: Hiroshima and
>> Nagasaki, Vietnam, Iraq, Yugoslavia... The air strikes against
>> Yugoslavia showed that civilians die under such attacks, while regular
>> troops even retain their milita

[CTRL] Internet Domain Names May Have Warned of Attacks CNS News




The plot thickens..
 
Internet Domain Names May Have Warned of Attacks CNS 
News 
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200109/NAT20010919d.html
 
The terrorists who planned and executed the September 11 
attack on America may have registered as many as 20 Internet domain names, or 
web addresses, that experts believe should have warned authorities of a possible 
assault on the World Trade Center in New York City. Internet domain names like 
'attackontwintowers.com' and 'worldtradetowerattack.com' were registered more 
than a year ago. It's not known at this time who registered the suspicious names 
or what their purpose was.
 
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[CTRL] AN AIRLINE PILOT'S COMMON SENSE From the Washington Times: Aboard Flight 564 Peter Hannaford





 
While hindsight is 20/20, I must admit 
I thought, what kind of cattle were these people to be herded and bossed 
around like that (on the planes) then I felt guilty because I heard they thought 
one of the terrorists had a bomb on each plane. How do you know if the bomb is 
real or not? Who cares? The pilot has a good point...the rules have 
changed...there is every reason to now believe that you will not live if you 
don't act anyway so why not go for it. It seems pretty relevent to me that 
so far civilians have done more to defend our country than the government has by 
the way. My opinion but the acts of bravery on the plane that crashed in PA seem 
to have saved the White House. The ball is America's court and what we do next 
seems to be a topic of great debate...but I doubt the public will be fooled into 
being bossed around on planes anytime soon or even ever again, that is if any of 
us actually get on one.
p
~~~
AN AIRLINE PILOT'S COMMON SENSE From 
the Washington Times: Aboard Flight 564 Peter Hannaford Published 
9/19/01As it was at most U.S. airports, last Saturday was the first 
near-normal day at Denver International since the terrorist attacks. On United's 
Flight 564 the door had just been locked and the plane was about to pull out of 
the gate when the captain came on the public address system. "I 
want to thank you brave folks for coming out today. We don't have any new 
instructions from the federal government, so from now on we're on our 
own." The passengers listened in total silence. He explained that 
airport security measures had pretty much solved the problem of firearms being 
carried aboard, but not weapons of the type the terrorists apparently used, 
plastic knives or those fashioned from wood or ceramics. "Sometimes 
a potential hijacker will announce that he has a bomb. There are no bombs on 
this aircraft and if someone were to get up and make that claim, don't believe 
him. "If someone were to stand up, brandish something such as a plastic knife 
and say 'This is a hijacking' or words to that effect here is what you should 
do: Every one of you should stand up and immediately throw things at that person 
- pillows, books, magazines, eyeglasses, shoes -anything that will throw him off 
balance and distract his attention. If he has a confederate or two, do the same 
with them. Most important: get a blanket over him, then wrestle him to floor and 
keep him there. We'll land the plane at the nearest airport and the authorities 
will take it from there." "Remember, there will be one of him and maybe a few 
confederates, but there are 200 of you. You can overwhelm them. The Declaration 
of Independence says 'We, the people' and that's just what it is when we're up 
in the air: we, the people, vs. would-be terrorists. I don't think we are going 
to have any such problem today or tomorrow or for a while, but some time down 
the road, it is going to happen again and I want you to know what to do. Now, 
since we're a family for the new few hours, I'll ask you to turn to the person 
next to you, introduce yourself, tell them a little about yourself and ask them 
to do the same. The end of this remarkable speech brought sustained 
clapping from the passengers. He had put the matter in perspective. If only the 
passengers on those ill-fated flights last Tuesday had been given the same talk, 
I thought, they might be alive today. One group on United Flight 
93, which crashed in a Pennsylvania field, apparently rushed the hijackers in an 
attempt to wrest control from them. While they perished, they succeeded in 
preventing the terrorist from attacking his intended goal, possibly the White 
House or the Capitol. Procedures for dealing with hijackers were 
conceived in a time when the hijackers were usually seeking the release of 
jailed comrades or a large amount of money. Mass murder was not their goal. That 
short talk last Saturday by the pilot of Flight 564 should set a new standard of 
realism. Every passenger should learn the simple - but potentially life-saving - 
procedure he outlined. He showed his passengers that a hijacking does not have 
to result in hopelessness and terror, but victory over the 
perpetrators. The Airline Pilots Association, the pilots' union, 
last week dropped its opposition to stronger cockpit doors and is now calling 
for retrofits. (It's opposition was based on pilot concerns about getting out 
easily in emergency situations.) The scandal of easily penetrated airport 
security will result in congressional calls for a federal takeover of the 
security system. Previous efforts to reform security procedures and raise 
standards have been talked to death. This time, however, no lobbying efforts 
must be allowed to prevent airport security from getting the reforms that are 
needed: federal operation, rigorous training, decent pay and no foreign 
nationals eligible for employment.Peter Hannaford is a public affairs 
consultant

[CTRL] Authorities can't do anything about 7-foot phallic carving AP/Seattle PI




 
This guy is in to waving his flag 
too!
 
There are a lot of flags in my neighborhood suddenly, 
but we must have missed the memo about the carved phallic objects--Authorities can't do anything about 7-foot phallic carving AP/Seattle 
Post Intelligencer LACEY, WA A 7-foot phallic carving made from a tree stump 
is drawing plenty of complaints, but authorities say there's nothing they can do 
about it. Two American flags fly from the top of the carving in the driveway at 
the home rented by Jean Paul "J.P." Parshall on Union Mills road about five 
miles east of the state Capitol in Olympia and 45 miles south of Seattle. "It's 
not like there's a law against what he's got," Thurston County sheriff's Capt. 
Dan Kimball said. "People have the right to have poor taste."To Alexia Sandifer, 
who takes her 6-year-old daughter to school along the road, the flags add insult 
to injury. "To me, that's just not something a 6-year-old needs to view." 
Sandifer said. "Go put it in a carving show, not where children can see 
it." 
 
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[CTRL] Them Against Fire




An oldie but a goodie
 
Them Against 
Fire SUCK.COM 
http://www.suck.com/daily/2000/10/30/
War is a social activity, and there are bad times to be 
reminded of this. In Normandy, for example, junior officers had the unfortunate 
experience of trying to assemble groups of paratroopers who had lost their own 
lieutenants and captains to enemy fire. An army analyst, conducting after-action 
interviews, detailed the result: "The men invariably stalled... If the leader 
got them to follow until they came in contact with the enemy, at that point they 
were more likely to fall away from him than to support him. They would assemble 
readily enough under a stranger and they would usually march under him, but they 
would not fight for him. There were very few exceptions to this 
rule." 
 
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[CTRL] Bush Submits His Laws for War




Bush Submits His 
Laws for War By Declan McCullagh Wired News WASHINGTON
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,47006,00.html
 -- President Bush sent his anti-terrorism bill to 
Congress late Wednesday, launching an emotional debate that will force U.S. 
politicians to choose between continued freedom for Americans or greater 
security. Created in response to last week's bloody attacks, the draft 
"Mobilization Against Terrorism Act" (MATA) rewrites laws dealing with 
wiretapping, eavesdropping and immigration. The draft, intended to increase 
prosecutors' courtroom authority, also unleashes the government's Echelon and 
Carnivore spy systems. "We will call upon the Congress of the United States to 
enact these important anti-terrorism measures," Attorney General John Ashcroft 
said this week. "We need these tools to fight the terrorism threat which exists 
in the United States, and we must meet that growing threat." 
 
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Re: [CTRL] AMER. FLAG BANNED ON NY CABLE CHANNEL 12

2001-09-20 Thread foxter




So 
right.
 
What is their web 
site or email address?
Has someone forwarded 
this news to the media?
 
 

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  Subject: Re: AMER. FLAG BANNED ON NY 
  CABLE CHANNEL 12
  [Image]Well like Bush said tonight, "you are either for 
  us or against us" - stop watching and listing to these channels - rating speak 
  -Thanks JimArchibald Bard wrote:> 
  NewsMax.com> Wednesday Sept. 19, 2001; 12:41 p.m. EDT>> 
  American Flag Banned on New York Cable Channel>> While most 
  Americans can't get enough of Old Glory in the wake of last week's terrorist 
  attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, Cable News Channel 12 on New 
  York's Long Island has actually banned the American flag from its 
  airwaves.>> "Our office is a newsroom and news people are 
  committed to supplying objective information on events here and around the 
  world," wrote Pat Dolan, News 12 news director, in a memo banning on-air-flag 
  displays distributed to employees Sunday.>> Dolan became 
  concerned when American flags began popping up in his newsroom and -- horrors 
  -- even on the lapels of some of his anchors. Meanwhile all the other 
  networks, both broadcast and cable, drench themselves in red, white and 
  blue.>> "We have to avoid giving a false impression that we lean 
  one way or the other," said the news director, who's apparently trying to 
  strike a balance between his fellow Americans and the terrorists who have 
  vowed to kill them.>> In an interview with Long Island's 
  Newsday, which reported News 12's flag ban in print editions only, Dolan 
  admitted the move has angered some of his employees.>> "We've 
  had a few heated discussions.">> But he stuck to his guns. "What 
  we're trying to do is make clear that our guys can express their patriotism, 
  but we don't want the flag to be associated with their daily activities as 
  electronic journalists.">> Dolan called the on-air flag waving 
  "a real problem when war breaks out," explaining that he doesn't want his 
  viewers to get the impression that "we may subtly endorse what the government 
  is doing.">> Subcribers to New York media giant Cablevision, 
  which owns News 12 along with The Wiz, Radio City Music Hall, Madison Square 
  Garden, the Knicks and the Rangers, will undoubtedly be interested to learn of 
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[CTRL] I see bad signs

2001-09-20 Thread flw


-Caveat Lector-

I see bad signs.

The smart thing would be to conduct a determined, professional
operation to destroy the attackers. I fear the D.C. armchair
stategists, international jugglers, and bureacratic crusaders goaded
on by drooling military corporate contractors will be launching a mirror
image of the Insane War on Drugs. After all many of these newly minted
"anti terrorist experts" have long been wondering around vacant eyed and
depressed since the Cold War ended.

If this thing is turned into a self righteous, arrogant "crusade" against
all the alleged evil groups in the world (as defined by us) we will quickly
lose all international sympathy and instead engender fear, loathing and
jealously over nation state sovereignty which ultimately might very well
encourage even more terror attacks on our homeland or get us
bogged down in some God forsaken flea bitten foreign killing fields.

We could wind up losing huge amounts of taxpayers dollars to a never
ending War Against All Evil as well as leaving our Bill of Rights in tatters.

Now is the time to be as vigilant against the Domestic Political Terrorists
who seek any excuse to "bomb" the Bill of Rights as we will be against
our international enemies. When you hear some blow dried politician
use the words: "I am not in favor of giving up our civil liberties but..."
assume that bugger is about to announce some new police state
rule.

I do not believe in fear mongeringI do believe in learning valuable
lessons from History.
flw


>Putin and Chirac suggest that UN leads the allies
>By Anton La Guardia, Diplomatic Editor
>(Filed: 21/09/2001)

>RUSSIA and France called yesterday for the United Nations to lead the
>fight against terrorism, in a veiled warning that America should seek
>explicit approval for military action against Afghanistan.

>A Kremlin statement said President Putin and President Chirac had agreed
>in a telephone conversation to back "emerging consensus in favour of uniting
>the world community's long-term efforts" against terrorism following the
>attacks on New York and Washington.

>"It was stressed that it was vital, to this end, to make use of all i
>nternational mechanisms, first and foremost the UN and its Security
>Council," the statement said.

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Re: [CTRL] Israel: No Compromise in Terror War j2

2001-09-20 Thread Nurev Ind.

-Caveat Lector-

Saba wrote:
>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> Is this the same Netanyahu who has a son who refused to go into service
> as Israeli soldier
>
> he tells us we should be ready to die for that god damned Zionist State
> of Israel?
>
> Get the Zionists out of Israel and the war is gone.
>
> After all it was CIA and MOSSAD who trained a lot of killers to bomb and
> destroy and kill Americans.
>
> Remember the USS Liberty.
>
> Hey this son of a bitch wants us to sacrifice our children - our
> soldiers and chldren but this litle coward for a son he has refused to
> put on Israelie uniform?
>
> Strange we would be friends with Arab nations if it was not this Zionist
> element which is rotton to the core.
>
> This is the millennium and we are to go to war and start a war from
> which there is no return to protect this pitiful state of Israel who has
> bled this country dry literally and figuratively?
>
> No we do not know who did what on the "Towers"and enough of this
> biblical crap for I have this master plan for murder but they call it a
> Master Plan for the Jews to return like Buzzards to a Hinckley, Ohio.
>
> One man - six foot six - really, had they wanted the CIA agent bin
> Laden, this man who is a rebel without a cause for surely it is not
> poverty which has driven this man to war - but greed, drugs, oil, and
> this god business.
>
> Caught us off guard?   What a lot of crap.
>
> They got some landmarks - keyed to the bible calendar - the chosen ones
> better find anothr sucker for when America wakes up and finds out what
> really is happening,  we will see it may be too late - do not see
> Clinton in pain, do you?
>
> But that Holy Joe Lieberman  Hey we're okay, we will be at the
> senate tonite - we are okay".   Who gives a rat's ass if this little
> weasel faced Zionist was dead or live.
>
> Osama bin Laden - look for an Egyptian Jew with Star of David engraved
> upon his ass clue to the WTCpardon, I mean the "twin towers"
>
> Saba

This is the best damn analysis i've seen yet on the current situation.
You are a lamp unto my feet. You are a beam in the shaft of life. You
are the wind beneath my wings. You are the the blu-cheese on my Buffalo
Wings. Your the tops. Your Sarasota. You say potato and I say potato.
Potato, potato. Tomato, tomato. Let's call the whole thing off.

You're so full of pith.

Joshua2

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Re: [CTRL] Israel: No Compromise in Terror War

2001-09-20 Thread Nurev Ind.


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   Get the Zionists out of Israel and the war is gone.



Exactly!

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Re: [CTRL] [Spy News] FW: alleged BBC alleged allegation against CNNisDEFINITELY *

2001-09-20 Thread Nurev Ind.


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> Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: CNN footage alleged to be file footage
> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 00:32:51 +0100
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>
> If you're enquiring about an email circulating with details of CNN footage
> of Palestinians, which has Russell's name on the bottom : it wasn't sent by
> him and was not issued by the BBC.  It seems to be the work of someone
> seeking to make mischief.  BBC footage used that day was from AP, not CNN.
>
> This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received
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Re: [CTRL] Remarks by Congressman Cooksie

2001-09-20 Thread Bill Howard


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In a message dated 9/20/01 6:38:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< that's good

lets do that

and make jews wear little yellow stars.. yeah...

and then we can arrest irish people


and deport the chinese...

or anyone we mistake for chinese


yeah this is good

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With a little practice you would make a good bigot. :-)

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Re: [CTRL] Report: Osama may have fled Afghanistan

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I suspect both Pakistan and India will be angling to somehow get the US's
war on terrorism turned into the obliteration of its neighbour/arch-enemy.
It could have odd repercussions as India has been emerging as one of
Israel's prime allies and now Pakistan (at least its elite) is cozying up
to the US

On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, thew wrote:

> -Caveat Lector-
>
> hehe
> india woud say that - they want us to bomb pakistan
> or at least let india nuke them
>
>

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Re: [CTRL] Saddam Hussein Sounds Off


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Well..his workers might get the chance soon if the US bombs them some
more...so I am glad he is confident in their abilities, hopefully they will
have to dig him out of somewhere

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> Have you heard the latest comments from Saddam Hussein?  He says he's
> disappointed in the rescue workers at the World Trade Center.  He says
> that Iraqi workers would have been able to find more survivors in the
> rubble.
>
> Now ain't that somethin'?
>
> Has somebody on this group been jerkin' his chain?
>
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Re: [CTRL] Pentagon said to eye nuclear attack against terrorists


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source?
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Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when
the Government's purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally
alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest
dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal,
well-meaning but without understanding.
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> Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War!
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> Pentagon said to eye nuclear attack against terrorists
>
> WASHINGTON (Kyodo) The Defense Department has recommended to President George
> W. Bush the use of tactical nuclear weapons as a military option to retaliate
> for last week's terrorist attacks in the United States, diplomatic sources
> said Tuesday.
> It is unknown whether Bush has made any decision. Military analysts said the
> president is unlikely to opt for the use of nuclear weapons because doing so
> would generate a backlash from the international community and could even
> trigger revenge from the enemy involving weapons of mass destruction.
>
> However, the Pentagon's suggestion shows the determination of U.S. officials
> to retaliate for the first massive terrorist attacks on the U.S. mainland,
> the analysts said.
>
> The recommendation appears intended to deter terrorists, they said.
>
> On ABC television's "This Week" program Sunday, Defense Secretary Donald
> Rumsfeld refused to rule out the use of tactical nuclear weapons. Rumsfeld,
> who is notoriously tight-lipped with the press, avoided answering a question
> on whether their use could be ruled out. To a similar question, a Pentagon
> official also replied, "We will not discuss operational and intelligence
> matters."
>
> The diplomatic sources said the Pentagon recommended using tactical nuclear
> weapons shortly after it became known that the terrorist attacks caused an
> unprecedented number of civilian casualties.
>
> On Sept. 11, hijackers seized four commercial U.S. aircraft. Two of the
> planes slammed into the twin towers of New York's World Trade Center, while a
> third hit the Pentagon near Washington. The fourth plane crashed outside
> Pittsburgh. More than 5,000 people were left dead or missing in the attacks.
>
> Tactical nuclear weapons have been developed to attack very specific targets.
> The military analysts said Pentagon officials are apparently thinking of
> using weapons that can reach and destroy terrorists hiding in an underground
> shelter, limiting damage to surrounding areas.
>
> In 1986, the U.S. conducted an air raid on Libya, attempting to target Col.
> Moammar Gadhafi. In 1998, Washington fired a cruise missile into Afghanistan
> in an attempt to kill Osama bin Laden.
>
> Analysts said that since these attempts failed, U.S. officials may be mulling
> the use of tactical nuclear weapons, which can cause much greater destruction
> than conventional weapons.
>
> The U.S. has indicated that it does not rule out the use of nuclear weapons
> if a country attacks the U.S., its allies, or its forces with chemical or
> biological weapons.
>
>
> The Japan Times: Sept. 20, 2001
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Re: [CTRL] Remarks by Congressman Cooksie


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that's good
lets do that
and make jews wear little yellow stars.. yeah...
and then we can arrest irish people

and deport the chinese...
or anyone we mistake for chinese

yeah this is good

who else?

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[CTRL] Immig ads: Manhattan new launch site (fwd)


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Immig ads: Manhattan new launch site
Issue 96: September 21, 2001

+== TIME OUT PROJECT ==+

A major advertising campaign linking immigration and population growth
was launched this week in Manhattan.

The "Campaign for a Responsible Population Policy" is backed by
political and academic leaders, along with local and national
environmental, preservationist, and immigration-reduction groups.
Spearheaded by ProjectUSA, the campaign consists of posters on sidewalk
telephone kiosks in 40 locations between 20th and 96th Sts in Manhattan,
and on both the East and West Sides.

The Campaign for a Responsible Population Policy has produced three
different posters, each with a different message:

1)  "U.S. population is now growing at a faster rate than China's"

2)  "Immigration will double U.S. population in our lifetimes" (two
children pictured)

3)  "We are not faced with a single global population problem, but
rather with about 187 separate national population problems" (agreed to
by the United States at the 1994 UN Cairo conference)

Each ad includes a list of twenty signatories and the tag line,
"Immigration.  Talk about it."
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Campaign for a Responsible Population Policy (r-pop)
http://r-pop.org/

Graph featured in r-pop ads
http://r-pop.org/graph_large.html

Bush likely to ask for stricter rules on immigration
Congress may tighten veritable open-door policy
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/09/20/MN137611.DTL

Let's not create fear in immigrants (Arizona Republic)
http://www.arizonarepublic.com/opinions/articles/0920pimentel20.html

ProjectUSA editor Brenda Walker has been tracking the dangers of
fifth-column Islamic extremists living among us. See her article
"Taliban USA?" written over a year ago.
http://www.limitstogrowth.org/WEB-text/taliban-usa.html


+== TAKE POSITIVE ACTION ==+

While these ads were contracted for months ago, increasing concern over
an anti-immigrant backlash because of the attack on the World Trade
Center makes this a propitious time for these ads to be in Manhattan --
the site of the attack.

Understandably, national security concerns have placed the immigration
issue at the center of public debate.

Our ads remind people that immigration debate should focus on policy
itself, not on singling out individuals; this is a good time to remember
there are many important reasons to advocate a reduction in immigration
numbers -- unsustainable population growth simply cannot continue.

There is a mayoral race coming up here in New York City (Mayor Giuliani
is term limited out: Hail and farewell, Mayor).  Some of the candidates
might opportunistically and irresponsibly try to use these ads to begin
to draw attention back to their campaigns.

ProjectUSA billboards have twice been removed by New York authorities,
and one of the mayoral candidates, City Council Speaker Peter Vallone,
led a press conference in 1999 announcing that the New York City Council
had voted to condemn ProjectUSA's billboards 43-2.  (The press
conference followed a politician-led demonstration in front of one of
our billboards.  The condemned billboard's message was simple and
fact-based: "Over 80% of Americans want less or no more immigration.  Is
anyone listening to us?" [Source: Roper Poll])

Unfortunately, most New York press coverage has been less than
even-handed in covering our efforts.  One New York television station
did a hit piece that they ran two nights in a row, so incensed were they
by our open proclamation of statistics and poll results.

And a large New York daily dubbed our billboards "Signs of Hate."

Please take a minute to call the media outlet below and request that: if
any politician tries to make political hay out of the new immigration
kiosk posters, please focus on the message, and refrain from ad hominem
attacks on the messengers.  (One of the kiosks is located at Times
Square on the southeast corner of 48th Street and Broadway).

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right, as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the
work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who
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Re: [CTRL] Report: Osama may have fled Afghanistan


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hehe
india woud say that - they want us to bomb pakistan
or at least let india nuke them


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[CTRL] Konformist: America as Mystery Babylon (fwd)


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America as Mystery Babylon
Thirty Six Symbolic Proofs
Brett Daniel Wills
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"The testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy"
- Revelation 19:10

Revelation 12, 17-19

1. "A woman" - America, effeminate title
2. "fallen, fallen" - Twin Towers collapse
3. "in one our comes to ruin" - Towers collapsed in little over an
hour
3. "a city" - New York, New York
4. "world sees smoker of her burning" - media show towers burning to
entire globe
5. "makes nations drunk with her trade" - Center of World Trade
6. "she held a cup in her hand" - Statue of Liberty, torch painted
gold in 1980s
7. The woman is like Israel - America, Israel are inextricably bound
together
8. "has two horns like a lamb" - Christian nation, constitutionally
conservative
9. "speaks like a dragon" - Satanic nation, verbally and socially
liberal
10. referred to as "great" - described as "great Satan" by Eastern
Islamists
11. "glorified herself" - self-worship by worship of individuality,
image
12. "lived luxuriously", "filled with riches" - America is the riches
nation on earth
13. "clothed with the sun" - is armed with the greatest nuclear might
14. "with the moon under feet" - Apollo landing, only nation to
conquer the moon
15. "rules over the nations of the earth" - single superpower
16. "the earth came to her aid" - international support
17. "given the wings of an eagle" - the eagle is a U.S. symbol
18. drunk with the blood of the saints" - spiritually apostate
19. "boasts, 'I am not a widow'" - brags of its goodness, yet is
unrepentant
20. "in the cup that she mixed" - worship of God with worship of money
21. Three references to "a woman" - apostate church, paganism,
imitates Israel
22. "has a crown of 12 stars" - alliance with and control over EU/NATO
23 God uses her enemies to burn her - international terrorism
24. seven nations, and an eighth against her - seven Islamic nations
and Russia
25. "her sins reached to heaven" - leader in pornography, drugs,
violence, greed
26. world mourns for her "from afar off" - nations distanced by
Pacific and Atlantic oceans
27. Tower of Babel, symbol of multiethnicity - U.S., most
democratized, ethnically integrated
28. Tower of Babel, symbol of one language - U.S. only multiethnic
nation w/universal English
29. "come out of her, lest you share in her sins - allure of American
lifestyle, difficult to resist
30. "strong is the God who judges her" - a new era in warfare against
a faceless enemy
31. "they will plunder her" - Terrorists call for the "plundering" of
the U.S.
32. fifth bowl of God's wrath poured out - retaliation by U.S.
employs nuclear option
33. God conveys it is Himself fighting her - Terrorists call the
fight a "Holy War"
34. "the light of a lamp shall shine no more in you" - The Gospel
hypocritically promoted ends
35. "music" of every kind "shall be heard no more - The U.S. is the
center of all modern music
36. "the merchants of the earth mourn for her" - Stock markets and
trade halt and decline

Explanation of the Evidence
The Book of Revelation claims that there will be a nation in the end
times which sits over the nations of the earth. It's symbol is a
woman who holds up a golden cup in her hand, which she uses to make
the nations drunk with the wine of her financial trading fornication.
The statue of liberty comes immediately to mind. The original bronze
color of the statue has turn a sickly pale green due to soot, and the
torch was painted "gold" in the eighties.
On the very same page where mention of this woman, who is referred to
as a spiritual harlot, is shown, just a few paragraphs further on,
the same page reveals that this woman is "fallen, fallen" and goes on
to mention that she is the center of world trade, and that she is
also referred to "great". She is the mother of harlots, mystery
Babylon. The word "mystery" implies a truth to be revealed in the
latter times, "sealed up till the time of the end," and therefore
cannot be interpreted in historical, traditional texts.
Go back to the book of Genesis, where Babylon is first mentioned, and
we find that a "Tower" was built based on multiethnic pride, and that
God struck it down. "As in the days of Noah, so shall the end be."
Cut back to the present situation. We are a nation that leads the
world toward global trade in preparation for a world system of
democratic governance ("of one mind") and capitalism (love of money,
idolatry) under multiple religions (paganism), as the leader of this
trade, with the Twin Towers being the greatest symbols of that trade.
The bible says that the very beginning of the judgement of this
harlot woman nation is that she is struck in one hour with fire,
causing her "towers" to be "fallen, fallen," which begins the
outpouring of the 5th bowl of G

[CTRL] GOLD AT THE END OF A TRAIL OF BLOOD

2001-09-20 Thread Linda Minor


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SECTION: Pg. 5

LENGTH: 1333 words
HEADLINE: GOLD AT THE END OF A TRAIL OF BLOOD
BYLINE: Fred Bridgland
BODY:


Every bottle of Coca-Cola may be profit for bin Laden Bin Laden siphons
funds from Islamic charities Al-Qaeda has interests in diamond mines in
Tanzania
Osama bin Laden's assets are hidden in a financial maze, but are used to
fund
his attacks on the West

His personal fortune, built from $ 80 million he inherited aged 13 from
his
father, is estimated at $ 300 million, spread across a web of interests
ranging
from legitimate investments to shadowy front organisations that enable him
to
buy the tools of his terrorist trade with minimal scrutiny.

Much of what is known about bin Laden's finances was revealed when four
of
his followers were tried in connection with the 1998 bombings of the US
embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. Former bin Laden confidante and money
handler
Jamal Ahmed al-Fadl, who turned FBI informer, said he keeps his money in
banks
in the UK, Sudan, Malaysia, Hong Kong, Mauritius, Cyprus, the Philippines
and
the Gulf Emirates.

But it has proved difficult to trace bin Laden's assets and freeze them
because he orders his labyrinthine financial transactions through
pseudonyms,
members of the same kind of secretive cells that carried out the attacks,
and a
wide variety of other middle men who leave no paper trail.

US officials believe he has major investments in agricultural companies,
banking/ investment firms, construction companies and import-export firms
worldwide.

Bin Laden does not depend solely on his personal fortune to finance his
Al
-Qaeda ("The Base") group. Wealthy Arab well-wishers in the Middle East,
especially in the Gulf states, have given him support. He has also siphoned
funds from Islamic charities which take funds from worshippers to fund
orphanages, hospitals, the printing of Korans and food supplies to poor
Muslims
in Africa and Asia as part of Islam's teaching that believers should give
part
of their wealth to the needy. At some point, part of those flows are
believed to
be diverted to Al-Qaeda and other radical movements.

Al-Qaeda has particularly large holdings in the Sudan. The Al-Hijrah

PAGE 2
The Scotsman, September 20, 2001

Construction Company, believed to be entirely owned by Al-Qaeda, built the
country's main 750-mile highway from Khartoum to Port Sudan and Port Sudan's
new
airport. The company is also believed to have earned $ 45 million from a
contract to expand Islam's holiest shrines at Mecca and Medina.

Other Al-Qaeda interests include finance and investment companies,
cattle
gene banks, sweet and honey production, transport companies, sunflower
plantations, wheat farms, leather tanning, fruit and vegetable exports and
camel
breeding (Sudan); ostriches, fishing fleets and dog breeding (Kenya);
forestry
(Turkey); lemons, olives, raisins, hazelnuts and almonds (Tajikistan);
diamonds
(Tanzania); lapis lazuli (Uganda); ceramic manufacturing (Yemen); and
finance
holding companies (Switzerland, Netherlands and Luxembourg).

Intelligence agencies say he has managed to import Barrett 50mm calibre
rifles, night vision goggles and night vision scopes from the US; scuba gear
and
range finders from Britain; phone equipment from Germany; uranium from South
Africa; and trucks and automobiles from Dubai and Russia.

A wide variety of banks in the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia and
Kuwait
are essential to bin Laden's operations. It is there that front
organisations
transact Al-Qaeda business and transfer funds. Bin Laden's Dubai-based
brother
-in-law Mohammad Jamal Khalifa is believed to be a key figure. US
investigators
say there is evidence that when Khalifa was head of the Islamic Relief
Agency, a
quasi-government Saudi charity based in the Philippines, he had contact with
Ramzi Ahmed Yousef, a British-trained electrical engineer convicted for the
1993
World Trade Centre bombing.

Bin Laden is also suspected to fund Al-Qaeda though his involvement in
Afghanistan's billion-dollar opium trade. Some reports suggest he creams a
ten
per cent commission on the $ 8 billion yearly trade for helping the Taleban
authorities market the poppy crop.

During the recently completed trials into the bombings of America's East
African embassies in 1998, evidence emerged that Al-Qaeda was paying
Egyptians $
1,200-$ 1,500 a month to run various support operations in Sudan. Several of
the
terrorist hijackers US officials say piloted the doomed commercial aircraft
in
last week's attacks appear to have been well-funded, paying flight schools,
living in middle-class neighbourhoods, and spending significant amounts on
apartment and car rentals, restaurants and clothes.

Bin Laden has, of course, also been funded by the US,

[CTRL] Stand Up! Speak Up! Fight For The USA! (fwd)



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The Free Congress Commentary
Stand Up! Speak Up! Fight For The USA!
by Paul M. Weyrich

I was watching an inane program the other day. One of those shows which one
of the major networks threw together at the last minute in order to fill
time. After all, for days they covered the attack on America virtually
non-stop, day and night.

This show consisted of a moderator interviewing a group of High School
students on their views of what this country should do to respond to the
terrorists. We have for years cultivated the notion that the younger and
less educated the subject the more wisdom they possess. So it stands to
reason that this network, I believe it was NBC, treated the thoughts of
these teeny boppers with great reverence.

One by one these kids, especially the girls, opined the politically correct
view that we should not go to war over what happened. After all, we were
told by these all-wise teenagers, if we did so we would just be
"perpetuating the cycle of violence." Now where do you suppose they picked
up that little phrase? Just attend one of the National Education Association
workshops at their annual convention and you will see and hear that phrase
over and over again. To be sure there were a couple of boys who had their
head on straight, but the moderator didn't seem that pleased with their
hawkish views.

It is clear that no one has ever taught these kids about the idea of
self-defense. And of course it is much too much to think that they would
have ever heard of the just war theory.  I wonder just what some of these
mushy heads think will happen if we fail to respond to these attacks. The
terrorists will hold a meeting followed by a press conference in which their
leader will say: "Gosh, since the USA has been so nice and has spared all of
us our lives and has failed to nuke our countries until they glow, we hereby
announce that we are calling off our worldwide campaign of terror. We will
now be taking up basket weaving and glass blowing so America have a nice
day."

The problem here is that we are asking the opinions of youngsters who don't
even remember the Gulf War. What they know about World War II is from
watching "Pearl Harbor." which means they think war is linked to some sort
of romantic nonsense. That is if they saw the movie. Most did not. The movie
was a semi-flop.

Forgive me but I would rather see the network use its precious time
interviewing some folks who know something about war. The ones who were in
the last real war that we fought and won are getting pretty old and, as Tom
Hanks reminds us, we are losing about 1,000 every day.

Right now over 80% of the country is united behind the president. Of course,
the Washington Post could not resist telling us that beneath the facade of
unity a lot of Democrats are highly critical of our President. These are
unnamed sources, of course, but they say things like "Bush looked so small
especially next to Pataki" and "The weaker he is the more we have to support
him."  Whereas many of us think this president has really risen to the
occasion, these know nothings, never having served in any conflict
themselves, believe they are in a position to judge our Commander in Chief.
They are graduates of the same kind of high schools that produced our
earlier mentioned panelists.

Watch the Left now crank into action. The anti-war demonstrations will be
everywhere. The media, especially television, will blow every rag tag bunch
of nuevo-Communists way out of proportion and soon the naive public will be
led to believe that public opinion is turning against Bush and the war.

Those of us who care about this country and its future at that point had
better be prepared to stand against the left. We had better argue forcefully
in whatever forum is available to us that we must stand against these
terrorists or it will be the end of our civilization. The other side has
shown they are willing to die for their cause. Are we at least willing to be
vocal in support of ours?

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[CTRL] Muslims flooding into Afghanistan to protect their people and country - Answering Taliban's call to Jihad against US crusaders (fwd)


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Assalamu'alaikum,

Afghan men return to defend their country

FROM CATHERINE PHILP IN QUETTA

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2001320010-2001324798,00.html

Sept 20, 2001

PASHTUN tribesmen from across the Pakistani border region of Baluchistan,
both Afghans and Pakistani, are flooding into Afghanistan to answer the
Talebans call for volunteers to fight in a holy war against an American
attack.

Hundreds of Afghan men who arrived in Quetta, the provincial capital, as
refugees in recent days have crossed back into Afghanistan to volunteer
for battle after delivering their families to safety in refugee camps or
relatives homes.

They are answering a call from senior Muslims to defend their country if
the United States starts a military offensive to find and capture Osama
bin Laden.

Many are ordinary citizens who have never fought for the Taleban before,
but, as Afghans, feel compelled to take up arms to defend their homeland
amid the threat of war.

Gul Ahmad, an Afghan shopkeeper, arrived at Quettas dusty bus station two
days ago after fleeing from the Taleban stronghold of Kandahar with his
wife, their three children and five other members of his family. After
settling the women and children at the home of family friends, however,
he, his younger brother and their father set off back to the Afghan
countryside, where they will meet other new recruits to the growing
Taleban Army.

We are not afraid, Mr Ahmad said. We will fight to the death to defend our
country. We will face the American aggression.

Torjhan Adhul Halis, a bus driver, who plies the route from Quetta to the
Chaman border crossing, said that he had ferried many other Afghans on
their way back to fight in Afghanistan.

Yesterday there were 20 busloads of Afghans who went back to the border,
he said. I drove one of the buses and all the men on it had left their
families and were going back to fight.

He said that almost the same number of buses had also left for the border
carrying members of the so-called Pakistani Taleban, fundamentalist
Muslims who share the same tribal ethnicity and radical ideology of
Afghanistans leaders. Many already have years of experience fighting in
Afghanistans long civil war.

The legendary fighting spirit of the fierce Pashtun tribesmen will be a
key weapon in their arsenal. The Taleban know that they will be quickly
outgunned by the Americans, but, nonetheless, they appear to be girding
for war.

Refugees crossing at the Chaman Pass have reported new deployments of
heavy artillery on mountain- tops around the border area, in anticipation
of airstrikes or a ground assault across the border. Nearby Quetta is home
to a large military base and airfield and would be an obvious choice for
any assault on Afghanistan launched from Pakistani soil.

Most of the refugees crossing here have fled from Kandahar, the home of
the Taleban leadership, believing that it is likely to be among the first
targets.

There are many anti-aircraft guns and cannon mounted in the hills above
the border, one man who had arrived from Kandahar said. I have been in
that area many times, but these weapons were not there before.

Other refugees reported seeing large tank patrols along the road from
Kandahar to the border.

The number of new refugees arriving from Afghanistan was slowing yesterday
after Pakistani officials moved to try to stem the tide, closing the
border to all but those with official Pakistani identity papers or able to
afford to bribe their way through. Border guards said that in the past few
days more than 35,000 people have crossed the border, although officials
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[CTRL] Norman Finkelstein on Thoughts on the Unthinkable (fwd)


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>>Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 7:52 PM
>>Subject: Norman Finkelstein on Thoughts on the Unthinkable
>>
>>
>>[Controversial author Norman Finkelstein (The Holocaust as an Industry)
>>gives his view of the attacks on the US and its aftermath. He makes the
>>point that the only way to prevent more scenes like the ones we witnessed
>>on
>>September 11 is to stop looking at the world in "Us vs Them" view and
>>begin
>>to recognize the humanity of all people. This can lead us to examine the
>>world that America has had such a strong hand in building and that has
>>produced the sort of people who carry out the attacks we saw last week.
>>Finkelstein points out there are no easy answers and, what should be
>>obvious
>>but sadly is not, that sustained military campaigns are not going to solve
>>this problem. The solutions will take much longer, and will require that
>>we
>>change a global system where a minority of the world lives in luxury while
>>a
>>majority is increasingly driven to desperation. His words are not easy to
>>hear, and perhaps many will disagree, but they offer a different way of
>>approaching current events. - MP]
>>
>>
>>Remarks at DePaul University Teach-In
>>13 September 2001
>>
>>by Norman G. Finkelstein
>>
>>The events this past Tuesday immediately evoke shock, horror and fear.
>>However, they weren't the same as a natural disaster - a typhoon or
>>volcanic
>>eruption - which also evoke shock, horror and fear.  The catastrophe on
>>Tuesday was also politically significant.  To explain why, I want first to
>>suggest a comparison
>>
>>The Kennedy assassination was for my generation what this past Tuesday
>>will
>>henceforth be for yours.  In fact, the Kennedy assassination lacked
>>political significance - ultimately it was more like a family tragedy -
>>whereas Tuesday was, as I've said, politically significant.  The
>>comparison
>>I want to suggest is with a related episode.  After Kennedy was shot, the
>>African-American leader, Malcolm X, invoked the metaphor of "chickens
>>coming
>>home to roost."  This prompted public outrage and led to his expulsion
>>from
>>the Nation of Islam.  What Malcolm X meant, of course, was that the
>>violence
>>the US indiscriminately inflicted on others had now struck home.
>>
>>No one in this room is more pained and anguished than me by the ghastly
>>and
>>colossal crime committed this past Tuesday.  Many of my former students
>>worked in the World Trade Center and likely now lay dead in the rubble.
>>There are my friends who I've been unable to reach, the neighbors in my
>>building,. - the World Trade Center was a very tall building, and the
>>inventory of my connections with it commensurately long.  Apart from
>>reacting with altogether justifiable anger and sorrow, however, it is our
>>responsibility to think through what happened - to make sense of what
>>happened - and to do what's within our power to prevent a recurrence of
>>this
>>horror.
>>
>>Many people in this room will not like what I'm about to say.  But the
>>stakes are too high for telling lies.  Now more than ever we must tell the
>>truth (as we understand it), regardless of consequences.
>>
>>The easy answer to Tuesday is simply to shake our heads in disbelief at
>>these crazed-lunatic-fanatic-fundamentalist Middle
>>Eastern-Arabic-Islamic-whatever.  To write them off as a species apart
>>from - indeed, several rungs below - ourselves.  The tougher answer is
>>recognize the humanity in these people, to acknowledge their suffering and
>>degradation - and toughest of all - to take a hard look at ourselves and
>>the
>>responsibility we bear for their torment.
>>
>>Like most every year, this past June I visited Palestinian friends in the
>>Israeli-occupied West Bank and Gaza.  For the first time in more than a
>>decade of traveling there, I took notice of a qualitative change in
>>popular
>>sentiments.  My Palestinian friends - with only a couple of exceptions -
>>now
>>supported terrorist attacks on Israeli civilians. (I arrived soon after
>>the
>>disco bombing in Tel Aviv.)   Unable to go along with this change of heart
>>-
>>I could understand but never support the targeting of civilians - I also
>>warned that this was a disaster on practical grounds.  Palestinian terror
>>attacks would eventually bring forth a crushing Israeli retaliatory
>>strike.
>>Palestine would be no more.  Their reaction?  After decades of unendurable
>>suffering, these Palestinians no longer cared.  The scenario I conjured
>>didn't frighten.  One Palestinian in Rafah kept repeating: "It's 'To be or
>>not to be.'"  Another invoked Samson and the Temple.  They were prepared
>>to
>>die - and to take along as many of their Israeli oppressors as they cou

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Thursday, September 20, 2001
Is IRS soft on terrorists?
Judicial Watch complaint says it's time agency joined war
© 2001 WorldNetDaily.com
The public-interest legal watchdog group Judicial Watch filed a
formal complaint with Internal Revenue Service Commissioner Charles
Rossotti today charging his agency has been soft on non-profit
terrorist fronts while systematically targeting critics of the man
who appointed him, former President Clinton.

In a complaint signed by Judicial Watch Chairman and General Counsel
Larry Klayman, the group said, given the current state of war with
terrorists and states that harbor them, the IRS must "investigate the
misuse of these tax-exempt and other organizations, and, if
necessary, shut them down forthwith."

Copies of the complaint are being provided to President Bush, Attorney General John 
Ashcroft and members of Congress.

"In the past several year, the IRS has seen fit, largely under your direction, to 
audit tax-exempt entities and individuals who were perceived to be adverse to 
President Bill Clinton and his administration," the complaint
 charges. "Score of persons and entities, many of whom are Judicial Watch clients, 
such as Billy Dale, Gennifer Flowers, Juanita Broaddrick, Katherine Prudhomme, Western 
Journalism Center, United We Stand America and othe
rs were harassed. In addition, over 20 conservative foundations, which criticized 
President Clinton and his administration, were audited, resulting in great damage to 
their financial condition and reputations. Not a singl
e liberal organization supportive of President Clinton, such as Jesse Jackson's 
Rainbow-PUSH Coalition, was audited and harassed. Indeed, Jesse Jackson's own 
accountant has publicly confirmed that Rainbow-PUSH has never b
een audited, despite publicly reported misuse of tax-exempt monies. As a Clinton 
appointee, and given the pattern of political audits, it is obvious that you were 
responsible for this selective prosecution."

Judicial Watch also pointed out that Clinton gave Rossotti a conflict-of-interest 
waiver concerning his own company, AMS, which contracts with the IRS for tens of 
millions of dollars in business.

The complaint specifically cites for appropriate targeting by the IRS groups 
associated with terrorist organizations Hamas. They include, according to Judicial 
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United Association for Studies and Research of Springfield, Va.;
Islamic Association for Palestine of Richardson, Texas;
The North American Islamic Trust of Plainfield, Ill.;
The Islamic Relief Association of Alexandria, Va.;
The Islamic African Relief Agency of Columbia, Mo.;
The Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development;
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Muslim Arab Youth Association;
Alaqsa Educational Fund;
Council on American Islamic Relations of Garland, Texas;
Islamic Society of North America;
The Islamic Circle of North America of Jamaica, N.Y.;
The American Middle Eastern League for Palestine of Richardson, Texas;
Quaranic Literacy Institute of Oak Lawn, Ill.
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[CTRL] Arab Press Coverage of Terror in America - Part 2

2001-09-20 Thread Dale Stonehouse

http://www.worthynews.com/news-features-2/middle-east-memri-arab-press-2.html

[CTRL] Arab Press Coverage of Terror in America - Part 1

2001-09-20 Thread Dale Stonehouse

A little sick, a little overdone, but what do you expect when you have no separation of church and state? A confused jumble of third-hand impressions of fourth-hand events.
http://www.worthynews.com/news-features-2/middle-east-memri-arab-press-1.html

Re: [CTRL] A Reichian Perspective on the Events of 11 September

2001-09-20 Thread Dr Chris R. Tame

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>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mark McHugh
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>> >Something from the Quantum Psychology list.
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>>
>> Can you provide the details of this list?
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>Sure, Chris.  Here' the URL:
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>It's a currently low-traffic list for the discussion of Robert Anton
>Wilson's ideas, along with those ideas of related authors.
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Excerpt:

"Legal experts say that the courts are unlikely to impose many restrictions
on Congress's security decisions.

As a result, they say, the country can adopt security measures as stringent
as its people will tolerate politically or will support financially."



Experts See a High-Security America of Surveillance and Seizures

William Glaberson New York Times Service
Wednesday, September 19, 2001

http://www.iht.com/articles/32991.html

Congress Set to Ease Taps on Computers

NEW YORK - Security experts in the United States are describing a new kind
of country that could emerge, where electronic identification might become
the norm, immigrants might be tracked far more closely and the airspace
over cities like New York and Washington might be off-limits to all
civilian aircraft.

Attorney General John Ashcroft outlined several proposals Monday, saying,
"We should strengthen our laws to increase the ability of the Department of
Justice and its component agencies to identify, prevent and punish
terrorism."

The proposals he described included measures that would give law
enforcement officials expanded electronic surveillance powers and new
powers to seize the assets of suspected terrorists.

Since the attacks, Congress has been acting on proposals to make
wiretapping of computers easier, and a flood of measures is expected that
will loosen restrictions on what effectively is domestic spying.

Legal experts say that the courts are unlikely to impose many restrictions
on Congress's security decisions.

As a result, they say, the country can adopt security measures as stringent
as its people will tolerate politically or will support financially.

Experts say that technology has presented almost limitless possibilities.
"Each American could be given a 'smart card,' so, as they go into an
airport or anywhere, we know exactly who they are," said Michael Cherkasky,
president of Kroll Inc. consultants.

"The technology is here," Mr. Cherkasky said, noting that it can be readily
expanded.

Such cards, with computer chips, would have detailed information about
their owners and leave a computer record when they are used. The cards
could be coordinated with fingerprints or, in a few years, facial
characteristics, and be programmed to permit or to limit access to areas or
entire buildings. They could track someone's location, financial
transactions, criminal history and even driving speed on a particular
highway on a given night.

Critics said that electronic identification cards, combined with other
measures, could usher in an era of surveillance and suspicion. And civil
libertarians note that an anxious public may be willing to trade freedoms
for greater safety in the aftermath of the attacks last week.

It is not clear, said Bruce Ackerman, a law professor at Yale University,
whether that acceptance will continue if people are discomforted.

"It is a profound affront to be metered and measured," he said.

"And that is, I think, the debate of the future."

Legal experts said the civil libertarians will find little sympathy in the
courts.

In World War II, they noted, the Supreme Court approved the internment of
Japanese-Americans, a decision that constitutional scholars now widely
consider to have been wrong.

"If history suggests anything," said David Strauss, a law professor at the
University of Chicago, "it suggests the courts will allow the government to
get away with a lot.

"Not quite everything, but a lot more than you would expect."

In interviews, experts on security and terrorism outlined some choices.

Immigration could be more sharply controlled, with some immigrants required
to report periodically on their activities.

Video surveillance, already growing, could be sharply increased in stores,
offices and public places and at public events.

Law enforcement officials could expand the use of personality profiles,
possibly including racial descriptions, to identify potential terrorists.

Terry F. Lenzner, chairman of Investigative Group International, a
corporate security concern, said that, if the flow of money was being
monitored before the attacks last week, authorities might have realized
that people were receiving money from Osama bin Laden or other terrorists.

Airport security is likely to be just one area for debate. Armed sky
marshals, stronger cockpit doors and new technology for luggage searches
are likely to be accepted widely. But some experts suggested that the
country could also adopt a system like Israel's, where security people
often interrogate passengers about their travel plans and rifle through
their baggage.

John Horn, vice president of IPSA International, a security consulting
concern, said he favored declaring the airspace over some cities off limits
to commercial flights.

But he and other experts said that the public, which already generally
balks at the prospect of airport construction, might balk at the cost and
inconvenience of building new runways or air

[CTRL] Fwd: The Jerusalem Post Newspaper : Online News From Israel - Features Article


So here is the story of the man who had plans on the table already for 4
new buildings to replace World Trade Center..

In this item, the Israeli's did no trust him and he said he was "fed up"
with them.
Also talk of "laundered money".

Nice family matter.

So he had just signed a 99 year lease for the World Trade Center?   More
on this

Saba


Tuesday, July 4 2000 01:16 1 Tammuz 5760

A tragedy of turf and taxes
By Patricia Golan

(May 18) - It's hard to think of another commercial project that has
generated such heated passions, pro and con. It has been called
everything from a "scam" to a "salvation."
To some the scheme would bring hope to the neglected Negev region, to
others it would simply line the pockets of unscrupulous speculators.
It was a project that was conceived as a way of helping Israel
economically and ended with some of America's wealthiest Jews throwing
up their hands in disgust.
No one, it seems, is neutral on the idea which originated in the early
1990s and was supported enthusiastically by the late prime minister
Yitzhak Rabin.
The scheme involved the setting-up of a Free Processing Zone (FPZ). Its
backers say it would have created 20,000 new jobs in the
employment-starved Negev and brought in top-notch foreign companies.
Eight years and some $10 million later, the US investment consortium
which lobbied for the zone, The Israel Export Development Company
(IEDC), has withdrawn its support for the project, effectively killing
it off.
The concept of a tax-free manufacturing zone is modeled on similar zones
which have been established in both Third World and developed countries
in the Far East. Known elsewhere as Free Export Processing Zones, the
word "export" was dropped from the Israeli version because US-Israel
trade agreements forbid subsidized exports.
Unlike free zones elsewhere which are owned and managed by governments,
the Israeli version was envisioned as a private initiative.

The zone was to have been set up on a one-million-square-meter piece of
land near the Shoket Junction, 8 km northeast of Beersheba. All capital
for infrastructure, buildings, etc. would have come from the foreign
investors, in exchange for which businesses in the zone would not have
had to pay any taxes for 20 years.

IEDC WAS founded by a group of leading American Jewish businessmen
including Laurence Tisch, Sy Syms, Robert Tishman, and Larry
Silverstein, a prominent New York real-estate developer
who today is chairman of the consortium.

The group's members are not only fabulously successful businessmen, they
are among the biggest contributors to Israel-related charities. But
until presented with the idea of the FPZ, none of them had considered
direct investment in the country; philanthropy was one thing, doing
business quite another.

But according to David Yerushalmi, former CEO of IEDC and an associate
of the conservative think tank The Institute for Advanced Strategic and
Political Studies, the "initiative was designed to create a free-market
business environment liberated from the infamous Israeli bureaucrats and
anchored in law."

In other words, the FPZ would have encouraged investment and created
jobs, but would have allowed the participating businesses to be free of
government intervention.

According to the director-general of the government-appointed Free Trade
Zones Council, Dafna Barak, the investors were motivated by genuine
concerns for Israel's economic welfare.

"They saw that Israel is developing and moving toward peace, but on the
other hand suffering from very high unemployment, particularly in the
south of Israel. They thought this would be a solution: to bring a
beautiful project that wouldn't cost the government a penny and would
create 20,000 direct jobs and tens of thousands of indirect jobs, such
as service workers."

Barak explains that the zone plan attracted several industries that
previously had no interest in investing in Israel, such as American
Express, Kodak, and AIG.

"They [IEDC] wanted to bring something new, not to compete with
something already in Israel - hi-tech companies, telecommunications, and
other advanced industries that would exploit the Jewish brainpower here.
Of course, they are also businessmen and they have to make a profit; but
if they profit, so does the state."
Rabin was enthusiastic about the idea, and in 1994 the Knesset passed
the "free zones law" which set out the provisions for the zone. But the
tender required by the law was never published.

FROM THE beginning there was strong opposition to the project in the
Finance Ministry, whose economists feared setting a precedent in giving
up tax revenues, and also apparently disliked the idea of preferential
treatment for foreign investors.

As one Negev businessman puts it: "The big boys in the Treasury were
against it because for them it would mess up the whole tax situation in
the country. They are actually afraid of creating tax-free zones. They
are frightened of a more efficient syst

[CTRL] FC: urban legends born after WTC-Pentagon attacks (fwd)

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-- Forwarded message --
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 10:34:06 -0400
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Subject: FC: More on urban legends born after WTC-Pentagon attacks

Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 10:20:37 -0400
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was   "suggestion"
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Hi, Declan.

First, let me thank you for your tireless and unstinting coverage of the
September 11th events and their aftermath and implications. With so much
dubious flotsam and jetsam circulating right now, yours is one of the sane
and astute voices helping to sort things out.

I notice that you cited the snopes.com/Urban Legends site to dispel and
clarify the rumours about the CNN-using-old-Palestinian-footage story.
There is more explanation of the "radio blacklist" story, there, too. You
would do a great service by circulating the Web address for the special
Urban Legends page devoted just to terrorist attack-related stories. (Every
time I get that freaking Nostradamus thingy forwarded to me, I send back
this address ...)

http://www.snopes.com/info/rumors.htm

Thanks again, Declan.

Vicki
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[CTRL] Remarks by Congressman Cooksie

2001-09-20 Thread Bill Howard


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KFI in Los Angeles is reporting that Congressman Cooksie said:

"Anyone with a diaper on his head and a fanbelt rapped around the diaper
needs to be pulled over and checked out.

He may be correct, then again...

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[CTRL] First Trans-Oceanic, Robot-Aided Surgery


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First Trans-Oceanic, Robot-Aided Surgery
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Wednesday, Sept. 19, 2001
NEW YORK -- Surgeons using remote-controlled robots have performed the
world's first complete trans-oceanic surgery, working from New York to
successfully remove the diseased gall bladder of a 68-year-old woman in
eastern France, it was announced Wednesday. Medical scientists predict in the
future "telesurgery" may enable expert surgeons to treat desperate patients
in Antarctica, battlefields, Third World countries and even space stations.
"This is the first time we've been able to operate at such long distances,"
said Michel Gagner, one of the two surgeons involved and chief of
laparoscopic surgery at Mount Sinai Medical Center in New York. "Such a
complex task as surgery from 4,000 miles away done completely via robotics --
it's never been performed before."

The lead surgeon, Jacques Marescaux, president and founder of the European
Institute of Telesurgery, worked with Gagner on the Sept. 7 trans-oceanic
procedure -- dubbed "Operation Lindbergh" after famed trans-Atlantic aviator
Charles Lindbergh. Their control console at Mount Sinai was linked to a robot
at Louis Pasteur University in Strasbourg, France via high-speed fiber-optic
connections running in cables under the sea. "The total delay was less than
one-fifth of a second -- it took 80 milliseconds for the signal to go and 80
to come back," Gagner said in an interview with United Press International.
This 160-millisecond gap -- roughly half the time it takes to blink -- beat
the estimated safe lag time by 40 milliseconds.

"Still, even a fifth of a second is noticeable," Gagner said. "We had to
operate slower, to be more careful."

The surgeons relied on high-quality images provided by their high-speed link
to compensate for the delay.

"The detail was so great, our vision was as good as if we were in my own
operating room," Gagner told UPI. "With the high-resolution images, you could
tolerate this delay."

The procedure took roughly 45 minutes, no longer than similar operations. Two
surgeons in Strasbourg who set up the robot stood by to intervene if
necessary for safety reasons. A team of some 40 computer engineers and robot
specialists helped set up the telesurgery system. "For them, they told it was
like magic--nobody else was in the room, yet here this surgery went on,"
Gagner said.

The patient, who was specially briefed on all the details of the operation
and gave her consent, was released after a two-day rest period. Removal of
the gall bladder is a common procedure, one that roughly a half-million
Americans go through annually.

The first telesurgery operation took place in 1996. Telesurgery pioneer
Richard Satava at Yale University in New Haven, Conn., explained the
technique was originally devised to work from an armored vehicle in the
battlefield.

"We had previously thought that the distance to safely perform this kind of
surgery was about 200 miles," Satava commented. "They were able to
demonstrate what we hadn't thought possible." The medical scientists were
confident telesurgery could eventually help regions where surgical expertise
is scarce, such as Third World countries. Gagner added telesurgery one day
also may aid remote areas such as Antarctica or space stations and train
surgeons in procedures they might not normally see.

There are a number of legal and technical obstacles telesurgery will have to
overcome if it is to become widespread. International law has not yet caught
up with the issues of liability in case something goes wrong and the
recognition of medical credentials across state and national lines. So far
Gagner said physicians have relied on the Geneva Convention, which says a
case falls under the rules of the country in which the patient is treated.

Satava noted the key limitation to long-distance telesurgery at this time is
expense. Until the Internet becomes very high bandwidth, such thousand-mile
procedures will only be available via institutions that can afford the very
high cost. "This kind of connection is very expensive, likely in the
thousands of dollars per hour," he explained.

However, Satava told UPI it is realistic to expect costs to come down in
future. "It's going to take time, at least a generation, for it to go into
local hospitals," Gagner said. "It's a bit like the installation of the
automobile -- it took 25 years before it became affordable." The researchers
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[CTRL] Weekend alert as FBI warns of new attack (fwd)


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THURSDAY SEPTEMBER 20 2001
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2001320010-2001324997,00.html

Weekend alert as FBI warns of new attack

BY DOMINIC KENNEDY AND DAMIAN WHITWORTH

AMERICA and the West are bracing themselves for another
potential Day of Infamy this Saturday, when accomplices of the
hijackers are suspected of having plotted new outrages.

The most solid evidence so far is the discovery that five associates
of the suicide gang had booked seats on two internal passenger
flights, taking them from Texas to California, in two days time.

FBI agents are trying to capture as many key operatives as possible
before any plot can be put into action.

Water, gas and electricity suppliers, bridges, tunnels and
underground railways have increased security because of the
perceived threat of biological, chemical or physical attacks.

In a dramatic development, three Arab airport workers in Detroit
were arrested after FBI agents found them in a house with
handwritten sketches of an airport, aircraft and runways. They had
a notebook containing information about the American base in
Turkey, Alia Airport in Jordan and the American foreign
minister, legal documents state. The three, Ahmed Hanna, 33,
Karim Koubriti, 23, and Farouk Ali-Halmoud, 21, from Morocco and
Algeria, worked at Detroit Metropolitan Airport preparing food for
airlines.

FBI agents stumbled across the trio while searching the address of
Habil al-Marabh, a suspected associate of the World Trade Centre
hijackers. The Arabs said that they did not know him. They have
been charged with conspiracy and having false immigration papers.

The FBI is concentrating its energies on deterring more attacks this
Saturday. Yes, we have heard something about September 22 but
nothing specific, an investigative source told Americas Knight
Ridder news service.

We have information that leads us to believe that there could be
more attacks very soon. The same murky sources that indicated
something might be happening in the weeks before the attacks have
indicated something may be happening this weekend.

Bob Graham, chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said
that the New York and Washington suicide strikes were part of a
larger plan with other terrorism acts, not necessarily the hijacking of
airplanes.

The FBI has issued a watch list of 223 people suspected of being
associates of the hijackers. Nearly a quarter of the people on the list
are able to fly aircraft.

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[CTRL] [Spy News] FW: alleged BBC alleged allegation against CNN is DEFINITELY *


  I got the same auto-reply.  Thanks for sending this along.

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[CTRL] Air Force Readiness Rates Off Sharply


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Thursday, Sept. 20, 2001
WASHINGTON -- The U.S. Air Force's ability to fight a war is considerably
lower than it was just prior to the 1991 Gulf War 10 years ago, according to
Air Force sources at the Pentagon.
In 1991, 90 percent of the Air Force's "first-to-combat" forces -- fighters,
bombers, reconnaissance aircraft and air-lifters -- were in the top two
readiness categories.

Now, the Air Force -- including Air National Guard -- is 40 percent smaller
and just 68 percent of its forces are in the top two readiness tiers,
according to the latest numbers compiled by the Pentagon's Air Staff.

Combined, the two statistics mean that today's Air Force has just over 40
percent the combat readiness held by the force that went to war over Baghdad
in 1991.

Air Force readiness rates were at historic highs during 1991 and immediately
thereafter because of an intense effort to prepare aircraft and pilots for
combat. Overall readiness has steadily declined since then to the current
level.

In wartime, however, "everything changes. Even to compare last months
readiness rates with this month's doesn't work There is no comparison, we
will get it done," Air Force spokeswoman Maj. Donna Nicholas told UPI
Wednesday.

Air Force officials contend comparing combat effectiveness between the
current force and the force of a decade ago is a fruitless exercise because
today's force has better weapons. Where once an aircraft would need several
bombs "on target" to assure a kill, the proliferation of smaller precision
munitions mean more targets can be destroyed by each aircraft.

"The missions are different, the capabilities have grown and changed," said
Air Force spokeswoman Maj. Cheryl Law.

Adding to the burden, the Air Force this week picked up an enhanced mission
protecting the continental United States.

"A reasonable fraction (of forces) are tied down with homeland defense," said
an Air Staff source.

The readiness rates are based on four measures and are reported monthly to
the air staff by roughly 300 unit commanders, according to Air Force sources.
The readiness rates are based on an assessment of personnel, equipment
supplies on hand, equipment condition and training.

Each category is given a rating by commanders, and usually the single lowest
rating is the one reported, although commanders can skew the rating up and
down with cause.

"You can have the best people and equipment, but if they aren't trained, they
are not ready," the source told United Press International.

Strategic mobility -- the ability to move troops and equipment long distances
-- has long been a point of particular concern.

The source said with the possibility of a larger conventional war looming on
the horizon, the Air Force is trying to find ways to rapidly expand its
ranks. One of the options includes accepting "lateral accessions" -- that is,
training commercial pilots that may have been laid off by airlines to fly
combat aircraft. Many of those pilots got their flight training in the
military.

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld issued the first of a series of deployment
orders Wednesday, sending about 100 warplanes to undisclosed "forward
locations," possibly in preparation for a strike against Afghanistan, where
terrorist mastermind Osama Bin Laden is believed to be hiding.

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[CTRL] WTC Landlord Envisions 4 New Towers


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By Adam Geller
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Thursday, Sept. 20, 2001; 12:53 p.m. EDT

NEW YORK ââ The operator of the World Trade Center said he is leaning toward
erecting four 50-story buildings in place of the felled twin towers, as well
as a memorial to people killed in last week's terrorist attack.

Larry Silverstein, the leader of a consortium that just months ago signed a
99-year lease on the complex worth $3.2 billion, said in an interview
Thursday he is determined to rebuild for both emotional and economic reasons.

"The people who have inflicted this upon us are clearly out to destroy our
way of life," said Silverstein, whose company lost four employees in the
attack. "It would be a tragedy to allow them their victory."

Beyond making a moral statement, replacing the World Trade Center makes sense
because lower Manhattan needs the office space, he said. The twin tower's
10-million square feet comprised about 10 percent of the financial district's
total space and served as the area's economic anchor.

Silverstein has previously said he wanted to rebuild. But his comments
Thursday marked his first discussion of limited specifics.

"I don't envision building a carbon copy of what was," the developer said.

Instead, he has been studying one set of plans drawn up and then put aside
more than 30 years ago, to build four towers at the trade center site. But
Silverstein said he has just begun trying to assemble a team of planners and
architects to consider options.

Building a quad of 50-story buildings at heights similar to the rest of the
Manhattan skyline would avoid creating a new set of terrorist targets as well
as fears businesses might have of renting space 100 stories up, he said.

"In that fashion, you avoid the problems that could otherwise develop with
two 110-story towers," said Silverstein, speaking in his company's midtown
conference room lined with photos and drawings of various building projects,
including a night view of the Trade Center, the Statue of Liberty in the
foreground.

Silverstein lead a consortium, including shopping center developer Westfield
America Inc., that in July signed a lease with the Port Authority of New York
& New Jersey to operate the World Trade Center complex.

Silverstein said his company had already paid more than $600 million to close
the deal. He said the contract with the Port Authority "might very well"
include provisions binding the consortium to fulfill the terms of the lease.

"We're just getting into all the details now," he said of discussions with
the Port Authority, insurance companies and other key parties. "But you know,
it always was my decision to rebuild. ... You can't rebuild on land you don't
control."

Silverstein said he has received a flurry of letters and e-mail from the
public since the attacks, some urging him to leave the site fallow as a
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Re: [CTRL] Israel: No Compromise in Terror War

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Get the Zionists out of Israel and the war is gone.

Exactly!

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[CTRL] IMF Meeting Postponed. Is DC Fenced In?

2001-09-20 Thread Don S. Brown

Hola,
I was wondering why the media have not mentioned the IMF rescheduling their meeting that was suposed to be this month. I was under the impresion that DC was being barricaded with a fence 26 miles around.
I was wondering if anyone here has been around DC and can give us a heads up.
Also a very important group was to have met with the IRS this month to discuss, for the first time with representatives from congress and the IRS, the 16th legality of the 16th amendmant, the IRS operating without due process, illegal siezures and specificaly why do we have to pay income tax when the IRC clearly states the paramenters for who those liable for income tax are.
1) Citizens of DC, Puerto Rico and other US territories.
2) US citizens working for US companies abroad, and
3) Foriegn antionals working in the US of A

I liave in Georgia and do not fit into any of those criteria. Of course I still have to pay. Or Else. What a pleasent form of theft. I digress.
The group: We the People For Constitutional Education at www.givemeliberty.org have been trying for years to get redress for these issues and have never been able to get a response to any querries. For YEARS!!! We have a constitutional right to redress. It took a hunger strike from the chairman of this group to get support from a couple of congressmen to look into this and they said, yes, they do have a right to redress an they will get it. About fucking time.
Anyway, unfortunatly this historic meeting is a casualty of this despicable event.

Hasta,
Ham

[CTRL] Secret plans for 10-year war


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Secret plans for 10-year war

BY MICHAEL EVANS, DEFENCE EDITOR

Generals rule out 'D-Day invasion'

AMERICA and Britain are producing secret plans to launch a ten-year âwar on
terrorismâ â Operation Noble Eagle â involving a completely new military and
diplomatic strategy to eliminate terrorist networks and cells around the
world.
Despite the mass build-up of American forces in the Gulf and the Indian
Ocean, there will be no âD-Day invasionâ of Afghanistan and no repeat of the
US-led Operation Desert Storm against Iraq in 1991, defence sources say.

The notion that a US-led multinational coalition would attack Afghanistan
from all sides for harbouring Osama bin Laden, the wealthy Saudi dissident
leader and prime suspect for the terrorist outrages in New York and
Washington, has been rejected in Washington and London. The sources also say
that the planned campaign is not being focused on just âbringing bin Laden to
justiceâ.

The build-up of firepower by the Americans in the region, notably the two
aircraft carrier battle groups that are to be joined by a third carrier, USS
Theodore Roosevelt, is seen as a major display of available military
capability. While it is important for these assets to be in the right place
in case of a political decision to launch a strike, there are no plans for a
âshort-term fixâ.

The dramatically different anti-terrorism campaign is being planned to meet
what is now regarded as the most dangerous threat to global security, known
as asymmetric warfare. âWeâre expecting it to last from five to ten years,â
one source said.

New ideas are needed to counter small groups armed with the minimum of
weaponry, whether conventional or non-conventional. Such groups have the
capability to attack a nation as powerful as the United States, which is
equipped with the full range of modern weapons and professional Armed Forces.

Old doctrines for fighting wars, based on lining up tanks and artillery and
layers of troops, are being thrown out and replaced by a more subtle and
wide-ranging doctrine which seeks to defeat the enemy at its own game. âThe
aim is not to go for the enemyâs strengths, but its weaknesses,â one source
said.

American and British planners are working on the basis that military strikes
will take place only as part of a broader global counter-terrorist operation,
embracing every other type of international action â diplomatic, economic and
political.

Most of the focus of the ten-year campaign plan, the sources say, is on using
military action as a potent back-up to all the other strands of Operation
Noble Eagle.

However, President Bush, conscious of the demand for ârevengeâ from the
American public, might sanction shorter-term military operation by special
forces, or airstrikes, but only if there is sufficient intelligence to
guarantee a sucessful outcome. âThereâs no point in firing a lot of missiles
at bin Laden if they miss their target, or launching Tomahawks at bin Laden
training camps if they are empty,â one source said.

Donald Rumsfeld, the American Defence Secretary, also gave the strongest hint
yesterday of what Operation Noble Eagle is all about. âI think what you will
see evolve over the next six, eight, ten, 12 months, probably over a period
of years, is a coalition to help battle terrorists,â he told CNN.

He added: âThis is a very new type of conflict or battle or campaign or war
or effort, for the United States. Weâre moving in a measured manner. As we
gather information, weâre preparing appropriate courses of action, and they
run across the political and economic and financial, military, intelligence
spectrum.â

British officials said the whole focus of the long-term American approach was
being driven by Richard Cheney, the American Vice-President, and General
Colin Powell, the Secretary of State. The combination of the two highly
experienced men was guaranteeing a well-coordinated strategy. âEveryone now
knows itâs going to be a long haul, not a spectacular single strike,â one
official said.

The war on terrorism could be likened, they said, to the war on drugs or
poverty, and the best way to undermine and eventually dismantle the terrorist
structures around the world was to use the method of âhearts and mindsâ â
encouraging foreign governments and people to join in the âwarâ so that
terrorists would be isolated and identified.

Some of the most dramatic achievements, the sources say, might come, not from
military action, but from political pressure on foreign governments to turn
their backs on terrorism and to hand over the organisers of terrorist
networks.

They point to the campaign against Yugoslavia in 1999. Although the
airstrikes fitted more closely to the âold doctrine conceptâ of using massed
firepower to target the enemy, which brought criticism from many parts of the
world,

[CTRL] Saddam Hussein Sounds Off

2001-09-20 Thread Damaeus


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Have you heard the latest comments from Saddam Hussein?  He says he's
disappointed in the rescue workers at the World Trade Center.  He says
that Iraqi workers would have been able to find more survivors in the
rubble.

Now ain't that somethin'?

Has somebody on this group been jerkin' his chain?

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[CTRL] Fwd: Newsweek: Pilots May Have Trained at US Bases






Alleged Hijackers May Have Trained at U.S. Bases
The Pentagon has turned over military records on five men to the FBI

By George Wehrfritz, Catharine Skipp and John Barry
NEWSWEEK
    Sept. 15   U.S. military sources have given the FBI information
that suggests five of the alleged hijackers of the planes that were used in
Tuesday¹s terror attacks received training at secure U.S. military
installations in the 1990s. 

        THREE OF THE alleged hijackers listed their address on drivers
licenses and car registrations as the Naval Air Station in Pensacola,
Fla.known as the ³Cradle of U.S. Navy Aviation,² according to a
high-ranking U.S. Navy source.
        Another of the alleged hijackers may have been trained in strategy
and tactics at the Air War College in Montgomery, Ala., said another
high-ranking Pentagon official. The fifth man may have received language
instruction at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Tex. Both were former
Saudi Air Force pilots who had come to the United States, according to the
Pentagon source.
        But there are slight discrepancies between the military training
records and the official FBI list of suspected hijackerseither in the
spellings of their names or with their birthdates. One military source said
it is possible that the hijackers may have stolen the identities of the
foreign nationals who studied at the U.S. installations.
 

MSNBC coverage
MSNBC: photos, video         The five men were on a list of 19 people
identified as hijackers by the FBI on Friday. The three foreign nationals
training in Pensacola appear to be Saeed Alghamdi and Ahmad Alnami, who were
among the four men who allegedly commandeered United Airlines Flight 93.
That flight crashed into rural Pennsylvania. The third man who may have
trained in Pensacola, Ahmed Alghamdi, allegedly helped highjack United
Airlines Flight 75, which hit the south tower of the World Trade Center.
        Military records show that the three used as their address 10
Radford Boulevard, a base roadway on which residences for foreign-military
flight trainees are located. In March 1997, Saeed Alghamdi listed the
address to register a 1998 Oldsmobile; five months later he used it again to
register a second vehicle, a late model Buick. Drivers licenses thought to
have been issued to the other two suspects in 1996 and 1998 list the
barracks as their residences.
        NEWSWEEK visited the base early Saturday morning, where military
police confirmed that the address housed foreign military flight trainees
but denied access past front barricades. Officials at the base confirmed
that the FBI is investigating the three students.

        It is not unusual for foreign nationals to train at U.S.
military facilities. A former Navy pilot told NEWSWEEK that during his years
on the base, ³we always, always, always trained other countries¹ pilots.
When I was there two decades ago, it was Iranians. The shah was in power.
Whoever the country du jour is, that¹s whose pilots we train.²
        Candidates begin with ³an officer¹s equivalent of boot camp,² he
said. ³Then they would put them through flight training.² The U.S. has a
long-standing agreement with Saudi Arabiaa key ally in the 1990-91 gulf
warto train pilots for its National Guard. Candidates are trained in air
combat on several Army and Navy bases. Training is paid for by Saudi Arabia.

[CTRL] Forbes: Fed Making Same Mistake as BOJ


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NewsMax.com Wires
Wednesday, Sept. 19, 2001
SINGAPORE -- Publisher and businessman Steve Forbes on Wednesday blamed the
U.S. Federal Reserve and some of its past decisions on interest rates and
monetary liquidity for the current U.S. recession, and to some extent, the
world recession.
Forbes, the president of Forbes Inc., spoke at the Forbes Global CEO
Conference, held for the first time outside the United States.

He said the Fed should not have tightened interest rates three years ago,
should have loosened them at a much faster pace this year, and had made the
mistake of keeping liquidity tight, up until last week's terror attacks on
New York and Washington.

"The Federal Reserve is making the same mistake as the Bank of Japan," he
said. "The same thing is beginning to happen in the U.S. It is cutting
interest rates, but is keeping money supply tight."

After the terror attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, central
banks around the world, including the Fed, have started to enable liquidity
in the system. Central bankers acted in unison to stabilize financial
markets, injecting more than $80 billion of short-term funds in the banking
system to meet demands for cash.

As a rule of thumb to assess the appropriate level of liquidity in the
economy, Forbes said, the price of gold should be higher than $300 per ounce,
and should stabilize between $300 to $320.

Forbes pointed to three main reasons for the U.S. economic recession: the
"mistakes of the Fed," the level of taxation and the rise in regulation in
the high-tech sector.

Forbes argued that the Fed has been working on the "strange theory" that
prosperity causes inflation. "Experience shows this theory is nonsense," he
said, pointing to the 1980s, when the United States experienced a prolonged
expansion period with falling inflation.

According to Forbes, the tightening of the interest rate led instead to
deflation, with a shortage of money, which reverberated across the world, as
70 percent of all U.S. dollars printed in the United States leave the country.

Forbes accused the Bank of Japan for being "overly tightened." He said, "It
needs to loosen policy if it is to avoid a meltdown of the banking sector in
Japan."

In both 1996 and 2000, Forbes campaigned unsuccessfully for the Republican
nomination for the U.S. presidency. His platform called for a flat tax,
medical savings accounts, a new Social Security system and a strong national
defense.

Forbes said the current level of taxation penalized Americans. Contrary to
popular belief, he said, the recent tax cut was small. "The tax cut was like
a cup of tea posing as a bottle of whiskey," he said. "Very weak in its
impact."




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[CTRL] Osama will be 'the last to leave' Afghanistan


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Osama will be 'the last to leave' Afghanistan
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THE SUPREME leader of Afghanistan's Taliban militia has said Osama bin Laden,
the key suspect in last week's terrorist attacks on the United States, "will
be the last to leave Afghanistan," a newspaper reported on Thursday.
Asharq al-Awsat, an Arabic-language daily published in London, quoted Mullah
Mohammed Omar as saying "Bin Laden will be the last to leave Afghanistan,
dead or alive."

The newspaper said Omar made this statement to a Pakistani delegation that
travelled to Afghanistan earlier this week to urge the Taliban to extradite
Bin Laden, a multi-millionaire Saudi Islamic militant being protected by the
Afghan militia.

US President George W. Bush has said he wants bin Laden "dead or alive."

Thus far, the Taliban have refused to extradite bin Laden, whom they describe
as their "guest," and have said they will launch a holy war if the United
States attacks their country.

A majority of Afghan religious elders are in favour of protecting bin Laden
and appear set on holy war with the United States, a Pakistani news agency
said on Thursday.

The Pakistan-based Afghan Islamic Press, which has close contacts with the
Taliban, said most of the hundreds of Islamic scholars meeting in Kabul to
decide bin Laden's fate were making speeches in his support.

"Osama should not be handed over to America, and we should fight against
America as our religious duty," one of the elders, or ulema, was quoted as
telling the meeting on Thursday.

The US administration has demanded he be handed over, or warned the Taliban
to face the consequences.

But the report said the ulema, gathered from every province of Afghanistan to
discuss the crisis and issue an opinion to guide Taliban leader Mullah
Mohammad Omar, appeared to be in no mood to compromise.




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[CTRL] Saudis Join Anti-Terrorism Fight


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By BARRY SCHWEID, AP Diplomatic Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - Saudi Arabia pledged to President Bush (news - web sites)
on Thursday that it would use all its resources to fight terrorism while the
16-member European Union (news - web sites) agreed on a series of joint
measures.

These include cooperating with the United States to deny financing to
terrorist groups and tighter border and export controls.

``Our resolve is a reflection of the strength of the U.S.-E.U. relationship,
our shared values, and our determination to address together the new
challenges we face,'' the United States and the European Union said in a
joint statement.

The Saudi promise of cooperation, meanwhile, was delivered by Foreign
Minister Saud al-Faisal to Bush at the White House. It could bolster the
administration's effort to marshal Arab countries behind the U.S. campaign
against Osama bin Laden (news - web sites).

In a brief exchange with reporters, Saud did not say what actions the
monarchy might take against the Saudi exile, who is the prime suspect in last
week's terrorist bombings in New York and Washington.

But even an expression of unity with Washington was considered a positive
step.

Still, in Riyadh, a senior Saudi official cautioned that Saudi Arabia and
other Arab countries did not want to be thrust into a conflict.

Any aid provided by Arab and smaller Persian Gulf states must be preceded by
a clear and specific declaration of which countries and groups will be
targeted, the foreign ministry official told The Associated Press.

Saudi Arabia and the Gulf emirates will not agree under any conditions to
engage in a conflict with groups that resist Israel's occupation, the
official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

He specifically cited Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Hezbollah, Muslim
fundamentalist groups all listed by the State Department as terrorist groups.

Asked in the White House driveway what Saudi Arabia would contribute to
Bush's expected military offensive against Afghanistan (news - web sites),
the foreign minister replied in Arabic: ``Everything that is in our capacity
to fight this scourge of terrorism.''

At the same time, Saud said the Saudis were still hopeful that Taliban, which
controls most of Afghanistan, would accept ``the wisdom of handing over
criminals to face justice.''

Saudi Arabia itself has felt the sting of terrorism. A barracks for U.S.
military personnel near Dhahran was bombed in 1996 and 18 U.S. servicemen
were killed.

The Saudis and their oil riches are under the protection of the United
States, assuring a steady supply of oil to the West.

Saud said Bush's ``very clear message'' was that countering terrorism
``requires a very persistent focus.''

On Wednesday, Russian Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov called for an
international coalition to stand with the United States in a sustained attack
on terrorism.

``This is a threat that can be compared to nuclear catastrophe,'' Ivanov
said.

In Washington to lend Russia's support to the United States, and to confer on
anti-missile defenses and other issues between the two countries, Ivanov
called international terrorism ``an urgent challenge to all of international
humanity.''

``The problem of world terrorism cannot be solved by one-time actions,'' he
said. ``It cannot be solved with five warplanes with 10 warplanes.'

He said the nations of the world should work together, possibly under the
auspices of the United Nations (news - web sites), to take such steps as
ending the financing of terrorist groups and closing borders to their
operatives.

``We are fighting a long fight against terrorism,'' he said. ``We have no
other choice but to fight terrorism together.''

Ivanov was in Washington along with other world leaders as the Bush
administration seeks support for what is looming as a possible U.S. military
strike followed by a long-term campaign on economic, diplomatic and political
fronts.

In tough terms, the White House spokesman, Ari Fleischer (news - web sites),
dismissed a move by clerics in Afghanistan to let bin Laden, the prime
suspect in the terrorist bombings, decide whether to leave the country
voluntarily.

``It does not meet America's requirements,'' Fleischer said. Bin Laden and
his other key figures in the al-Qaida terrorist network must be turned over
to ``responsible authorities,'' he said.

British Prime Minister Tony Blair (news - web sites) was due at the White
House to see Bush later Thursday.

The Bush administration needs strong support from the Saudis to counter
suspicions in the Arab world the U.S. offensive against bin Laden reflects
Anti-Muslim sentiment.

Britain, meanwhile, has joined in U.S. military operations against Iraq and
is a strategic asset in the Persian Gulf region, which could be a staging
area for a U.S. strike against Afghanistan, where the Taliban leaders have
refu

Re: [CTRL] Israel: No Compromise in Terror War


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Is this the same Netanyahu who has a son who refused to go into service
as Israeli soldier

he tells us we should be ready to die for that god damned Zionist State
of Israel?

Get the Zionists out of Israel and the war is gone.

After all it was CIA and MOSSAD who trained a lot of killers to bomb and
destroy and kill Americans.

Remember the USS Liberty.

Hey this son of a bitch wants us to sacrifice our children - our
soldiers and chldren but this litle coward for a son he has refused to
put on Israelie uniform?

Strange we would be friends with Arab nations if it was not this Zionist
element which is rotton to the core.

This is the millennium and we are to go to war and start a war from
which there is no return to protect this pitiful state of Israel who has
bled this country dry literally and figuratively?

No we do not know who did what on the "Towers"and enough of this
biblical crap for I have this master plan for murder but they call it a
Master Plan for the Jews to return like Buzzards to a Hinckley, Ohio.

One man - six foot six - really, had they wanted the CIA agent bin
Laden, this man who is a rebel without a cause for surely it is not
poverty which has driven this man to war - but greed, drugs, oil, and
this god business.

Caught us off guard?   What a lot of crap.

They got some landmarks - keyed to the bible calendar - the chosen ones
better find anothr sucker for when America wakes up and finds out what
really is happening,  we will see it may be too late - do not see
Clinton in pain, do you?

But that Holy Joe Lieberman  Hey we're okay, we will be at the
senate tonite - we are okay".   Who gives a rat's ass if this little
weasel faced Zionist was dead or live.

Osama bin Laden - look for an Egyptian Jew with Star of David engraved
upon his ass clue to the WTCpardon, I mean the "twin towers"

Saba

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Re: [CTRL] Feds Complain Bin-Laden NOT Using Hi-Tech


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>Apparently, until this week, they knew just where he was by tracking his
>satellite phone and they traced his organisation by checking out Internet
>traffic and email.

A lot of effing good it did us on 9/11, huh?


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[CTRL] ‘Freedom vs. Fear’


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Bush to Address Nation on War on Terrorism; WTC Missing Numbers Rises



Sept. 20 â President Bush plans to tell the nation and Congress televised
speech that "freedom and fear are at war," while the number of missing and
presumed dead at the World Trade Center site in New York City today shot up
to 6,333.

In his speech, which begins at 9 p.m. ET, Bush will tell Americans the nation
is "awakened to danger and called to defend freedom" and will warn foreign
governments, "either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists,"
according to excerpts released from the White House.
"We will direct every resource at our command â every means of diplomacy,
every tool of intelligence, every instrument of law enforcement, every
financial influence and every necessary weapon of war â to the disruption and
defeat of the global terror network," according to the excerpts.

As the president prepared his address, New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani
announced the grave news this afternoon that the number of missing and
presumed dead in the collapse of the World Trade Center towers has risen to
6,333. The previous estimate was 5,422. More than 6,000 were also injured
there, he said.

Earlier today, Bush rejected the suggestion of Islamic clerics in Afghanistan
that the Taliban invite Osama bin Laden to leave the country voluntarily,
when he wishes. The Bush administration had demanded that bin Laden be turned
over to the United States to face charges that he was involved in last week's
terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

"We want action, not just statements," Secretary of State Colin Powell said
today. "The sooner he leaves and is brought to justice the better off I think
the world will be."

The Taliban has said it wants evidence linking bin Laden to the horrific
attacks in New York and Washington on Sept. 11, but State Department
officials say there is already ample evidence proving the exiled Saudi is
involved in terrorist activity.

A U.N. resolution passed last year on the 1998 bombings of two U.S. embassies
in Africa said that bin Laden should be turned over to face justice. He has
also been linked to the attack on the USS Cole in Yemen.

Meanwhile, about 100 U.S. warplanes prepare to leave for the region as part
of a U.S. operation tentatively dubbed "Infinite Justice." The name of the
mission still awaits White House approval. Government sources said the order
calls for several dozen B-52 and B-1 bombers, plus intelligence-gathering
aircraft to be in the region by Sept. 24 or Sept. 25.   List of National
Guard and Reserve units mobilized.

Clerics: U.S. Attack Would Start Holy War

The council of clerics, convened by Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar, also
said a holy war should be declared on the United States â and any nation that
aids it â if an attack is launched on Afghanistan.

Omar has said he would abide by the decision of the clerics. Some reports say
the reclusive leader is close to bin Laden.

The clerics also asked that the United Nations and Organization of the
Islamic Conference investigate allegations that bin Laden played a role in
the attacks.

Meanwhile, a report in the London Times said the United States and Britain
are finalizing plans for what could be a 10-year battle against terrorists.

According to the report, allied nations would not invade Afghanistan, "D-Day
style," or stage a Gulf War-type of attack. Instead, it would be a
concentrated battle designed to capture or destroy terrorists and their
facilities, as well as put political and economic pressure on nations that
support them.

Building International Support

The military movement authorized Wednesday is the strongest sign yet of U.S.
resolve to hunt down bin Laden and his organization in Afghanistan following
the Sept. 11 attacks.

Bush and Powell continue to talk with foreign leaders to build international
support for striking at bin Laden and other suspected terrorists.

According to the White House, Bush will make clear tonight that the U.S.
fight is against terrorist extremists, not against all Muslims in America and
throughout the world. "The enemy of American is not our many Muslim friends;
it is not our many Arab friends. Our enemy is a radical network of terrorists
and every government that supports them," Bush plans to say.

Saudi Arabia pledged its support today to help the United States fight
terrorism. The message came from Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal, who met
with Bush at the White House. Bush is also scheduled to meet with British
Prime Minister Tony Blair later today, while Powell has meetings scheduled
with the foreign ministers of China and Italy on Friday.

China has been sending mixed messages about American moves in response to the
attacks on New York and Washington.

"We will be listening very closely to the Chinese when we meet them on Friday
to deter

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Media March to War

September 17, 2001

In the wake of the devastating attacks on the World Trade Center and the
Pentagon, many media pundits focused on one theme: retaliation. For some, it
did not matter who bears the brunt of an American attack:

"There is only one way to begin to deal with people like this, and that is
you have to kill some of them even if they are not immediately directly
involved in this thing."
--former Secretary of State Lawrence Eagleburger (CNN, 9/11/01)

"The response to this unimaginable 21st-century Pearl Harbor should be as
simple as it is swift-- kill the bastards. A gunshot between the eyes, blow
them to smithereens, poison them if you have to.  As for cities or countries
that host these worms, bomb them into basketball courts."
--Steve Dunleavy (New York Post, 9/12/01)

"America roused to a righteous anger has always been a force for good.
States that have been supporting if not Osama bin Laden, people like him
need to feel pain. If we flatten part of Damascus or Tehran or whatever it
takes, that is part of the solution."
--Rich Lowry, National Review editor, to Howard Kurtz (Washington Post,
9/13/01)

"TIME TO TAKE NAMES AND NUKE AFGHANISTAN."
--Caption to cartoon by Gary Brookins (Richmond Times-Dispatch, 9/13/01)

"At a bare minimum, tactical nuclear capabilites should be used against the
bin Laden camps in the desert of Afghanistan. To do less would be rightly
seen by the poisoned minds that orchestrated these attacks as cowardice on
the part of the United States and the current administration."
--Former Defense Intelligence Agency officer Thomas Woodrow, "Time to Use
the Nuclear Option" (Washington Times, 9/14/01)

Bill O'Reilly: "If the Taliban government of Afghanistan does not cooperate,
then we will damage that government with air power, probably. All right? We
will blast them, because..."

Sam Husseini, Institute for Public Accuracy: "Who will you kill in the
process?"

O'Reilly: "Doesn't make any difference."
--("The O'Reilly Factor," Fox News Channel, 9/13/01)

"This is no time to be precious about locating the exact individuals
directly involved in this particular terrorist attack We should invade
their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.  We
weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top
officers.  We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians.  That's war.
And this is war."
--Syndicated columnist Ann Coulter (New York Daily News, 9/12/01)


"Real" Retribution

Many media commentators appeared to blame the attacks on what they saw as
America's unwillingness to act aggressively in recent years.

As conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer (Washington Post, 9/12/01)
wrote: "One of the reasons there are enough terrorists out there capable and
deadly enough to carry out the deadliest attack on the United States in its
history is that, while they have declared war on us, we have in the past
responded (with the exception of a few useless cruise missile attacks on
empty tents in the desert) by issuing subpoenas."

The Washington Post's David Broder (9/13/01), considered a moderate, issued
his own call for "new realism-- and steel-- in America's national security
policy": "For far too long, we have been queasy about responding to
terrorism. Two decades ago, when those with real or imagined grievances
against the United States began picking off Americans overseas on military
or diplomatic assignments or on business, singly or in groups, we delivered
pinprick retaliations or none at all."

It's worth recalling the U.S. response to the bombing of a Berlin disco in
April 1986, which resulted in the deaths of two U.S. service members: The
U.S. immediately bombed Libya, which it blamed for the attack. According to
Libya, 36 civilians were killed in the air assault, including the year-old
daughter of Libyan leader Moamar Khadafy (Washington Post, 5/9/86). It is
unlikely that Libyans considered this a "pinprick." Yet these deaths
apparently had little deterrence value: In December 1988, less than 20
months later, Pan Am 103 exploded over Lockerbie, Scotland, in an even
deadlier act of
terrorism the U.S. blames on Libyan agents.

More recently, in 1998, Bill Clinton sent 60 cruise missiles, some equipped
with cluster bombs, against bin Laden's Afghan base, in what was presented
as retaliation for the bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa. One missile
aimed

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ASHINGTON: The United States will use Pakistan as a staging ground for
possible commando strikes against terrorists in the region amid continuing
distrust of Pakistan's reliability as an ally and the consequent apprehension
about the safety of American forces.

The Pentagon has begun preparation for deployment of troops overseas for
direct military action even as it considers a variety of other operations
including air attacks and cruise missile strikes. President Bush's assertion
that the US had the capability to "smoke out" terrorists from their hide-outs
also suggests Washington may be considering using chemical and biological
weapons in an unprecedented attack on those it believes perpetrated the worst
terrorist carnage in history. US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld added to
the speculation by saying Washington would "use the full spectrum of our
capabilities."

"I think of it in the sense of self-defence, and there is nothing that
inhibits the United States of America from defending itself," Rumsfeld said.

US officials are not releasing any operational details. But reports here
suggest small groups of American commandos based on board US ships in the
Arabian Sea could be sent on lightning raids after terrorist hideouts are
softened by air raids and cruise missile strikes.

However, one school of thought here feels the US will be hamstrung if it
tries to conduct a purely air drop missions; it will need at least some
ground forces to be based in Pakistan. But given the sensitivity of the
Pakistani establishment to the growing protests against being used in such a
manner, US officials are indicating the land deployment will be as austere as
possible. A team of US officials is leaving for Pakistan to discuss the
details.

Some analysts feel Washington is being reckless and shortsighted in using
Pakistan as a staging ground and expressed scepticism about Islamabad's
commitment to a partnership to fight terrorism. "It is a charadeâ¦Pakistan's
commitment has no depth," South Asia scholar Selig Harrison of the Woodrow
Wilson Center warned on CNN, calling the US move to send in commandos an
"insane idea."

Harrison also pointed out what many in the US military circles are missing â
terrorist organisations such as the Lashkar e-Taiba, backed and bankrolled by
Pakistan's intelligence agencies, are in cahoots with Osama bin Laden and his
murderous men.

Most western embassies have asked all non-essential personnel to leave
Pakistan. The US has gone a step further and warned its nationals not to
travel to Pakistan and leave the country immediately if they are already
there.

Washington has been jolted by the groundswell for the beleaguered Taliban
regime and its guest, not to speak of fatwas calling for a Holy War and
assassination of Gen. Musharraf for his support to the United States. One
unconfirmed opinion poll spoke of just seven per cent of Pakistani
respondents supporting the strikes against Afghanistan.

Meanwhile, reports from Afghanistan indicate a softening, perhaps even a
split among the leadership there in response to the US ultimatum to hand over
Osama bin Laden. While the supreme Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar has
said bin Laden would continue to be a guest and asked Muslims to prepare for
a Holy War, one of his deputies suggested they would not protect bin Laden if
the US proved he was involved in the attacks. Bin Laden is now related to
Mullah Omar by marriage.

Washington says providing such proof could compromise its intelligence
sources and apparatus.

Taliban officials also said they were willing to hold talks with Washington,
but the White House immediately rebuffed the offer. Bush spokesman Ari
Fleischer bluntly said, "The President's message to the Taliban is very
simple - it's time for action not negotiations."

Meantime Pakistan's gambit of milking the situation to its advantage has been
greeted with outrage in some quarters, leading Islamabad to deny it drew up a
list of conditions to support the US military operations. One official who
did not want to be named said the administration was "furious" that Pakistan
had proposed conditions for support when "the bodies were yet to be counted."

Despite a statement from Islamabad by the US ambassador Wendy Chamberlain
that Washington could reward Islamabad for its support, State Department
spokesman Richard Boucher said support to the US mission to strike at
terrorists was "unconditional."

Elsewhere, India's National Security Adviser Brajesh Mishra is expected in
New York Wednesday afternoon for talks with US officials that won't take
place till early next week. Mishra will come to Washington only on September
25. Officials here did not offer any explanation for the inexplicable delay
in the confabulations beyond

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RE: Risk Waters Group's Financial Technology Congress 'Windows on the
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Wednesday 12th September 2001

London: 13th September 2001: On the morning of Tuesday 11th September
UK-based Risk Waters Group was hosting a Financial Technology Congress at
'Windows on the World' on the 106th floor of the North Tower at the World
Trade Center in New York. The conference opened at 8.30 a.m.

To date the company has been unable to contact anyone who attended the
congress. We have 221 people on our list of registered delegates, speakers &
sponsors. In addition, 16 Risk Waters Group employees were due at the event,
making a total planned attendance of 237.

Based on advance registration lists & research conducted by the company
since the tragedy we have reason to believe that:

* 47 delegates and all 16 of our staff attended the Congress. They are
currently unaccounted for.

* 100 delegates have been confirmed by their companies as not having arrived
at the time of the tragedy and are safe. * For the remaining 74 delegates we
are still seeking further information.

As this was a New York event, the vast majority of our delegates were based
in the USA but we cannot determine their nationality. There were a few
registered delegates from the UK & Japan.

Risk Waters Group staff members attended from both our London & New York
offices. 10 are British, 5 are American and 1 is Australian.

Peter Field, Chief Executive of the Risk Waters Group said today

"We continue to make round the clock efforts to contact staff, delegates,
speakers and sponsors who were scheduled to attend this congress. In spite
of this we have heard nothing from anyone who was in 'Windows on the World'
at the time of the attack.

Given the level of uncertainty on the ground about the situation we have not
given up hope of finding our friends and colleagues safe & well. We would
again urge anyone who is either concerned, or has information about someone
who might have been attending the Congress, to contact our emergency help
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Michel Crouhy, CIBC, New York
Sanjiv Das, Harvard University
Emanuel Derman, Goldman Sachs, New York
Robert Engle, University of California at San Diego
  Helyette Geman, Universite de Paris
Lane Hughston, King's College, London
John Hull, University of Toronto
Robert Jarrow, Cornell University
Paul Kupiec, International Monetary Fund
Michael Ong, ABN Amro, Chicago
Riccardo Rebonato, NatWest Group, London
Gary Robinson, Tokai Bank Europe, London
Mark Rubinstein, University of California at Berkeley
Domingo Tavella, Align Risk Analysis, San Francisco
Robert Whaley, Duke University
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This article appears in the Sept. 21, 2001 issue of Executive Intelligence
Review:

Global Financial System: It Was Bankrupt Before Sept. 11

by Lothar Komp

Worldwide, there is a state of financial emergency. In the horrible events
in Washington and New York of Sept. 11, not only were an unknown number of
currency and derivatives traders killed, but also an important part of the
physical infrastructure of the financial system was destroyed. Computer
files and hard copies documenting numerous foreign exchange and derivatives
transactions of many financial institutions, are gone.

Innumerable derivatives contracts, for a value of many billions of dollars,
are therefore hanging in the air, because one side of the bilateral
agreement, for example in Frankfurt, does not know if the counterparty will
promptly fulfill its obligations or if it still exists. Already, the
disappearance of one big player could trigger a global chain reaction.
Rumors of the illiquidity of big hedge funds are making the rounds. The
large settlements systems of international banking concerns are showing
signs of malfunctioning. Furthermore, the central banks fear that in the
next days or weeks, a dollar panic could break out, which would mean the
sudden sell-off of American stocks, and a run on the banks.

Among the big financial companies, the hardest hit appears to be Cantor
Fitzgerald, one of the leading traders of government bonds in the world.
About 700 employees of Cantor Fitzgerald were still missing three days after
the terrorist at

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Bush Submits His Laws for War
By Declan McCullagh

10:15 a.m. Sep. 20, 2001 PDT

WASHINGTON -- President Bush sent his anti-terrorism bill to Congress late Wednesday, launching an emotional debate that will force U.S. politicians to choose between continued freedom for Americans or greater security.

Created in response to last week's bloody attacks, the draft "Mobilization Against Terrorism Act" (MATA) rewrites laws dealing with wiretapping, eavesdropping and immigration. The draft, intended to increase prosecutors' courtroom authority, also unleashes the government's Echelon and Carnivore spy systems.

"We will call upon the Congress of the United States to enact these important anti-terrorism measures," Attorney General John Ashcroft said this week. "We need these tools to fight the terrorism threat which exists in the United States, and we must meet that growing threat."

Although Ashcroft has said he hopes Congress will approve MATA by Saturday, Capitol Hill appears to be taking a more cautious approach. The House Judiciary committee has pledged a speedy but careful consideration, and Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont) has his own legislation he'll highlight at a hearing next Tuesday.

At a press conference Thursday in Washington, scores of organizations from across the political spectrum urged politicians to tread carefully and protect civil liberties during wartime. The In Defense of Freedom coalition says it hopes to prevent a repetition of earlier wars that heralded greater government powers and sharply curtailed freedoms.

During the Civil War, President Lincoln suspended the writ of habeas corpus, interfered with freedom of speech and of the press and ordered that suspected political criminals be tried before military tribunals. After declaring war in 1917, Congress banned using the U.S. mail to send any material urging "treason, insurrection or forcible resistance to any law."

President Wilson asked Congress to go even further: His draft of the Espionage Act included a $10,000 fine and 10 years imprisonment for anyone publishing information that could be useful to the enemy. The House of Representatives narrowly defeated it by a vote of 184-144.

This is the inevitable result of war: In national emergencies, even in liberal democracies, the uneasy relationship between freedom and order edges toward greater government power and control.

"There is no reason to think that future wartime presidents will act differently from Lincoln, Wilson or Roosevelt, or that future justices of the Supreme Court will decide questions differently from their predecessors," William Rehnquist, chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, wrote in a book published in 1998.

"It is neither desirable nor is it remotely likely that civil liberty will occupy as favored a position in wartime as it does in peacetime," Rehnquist wrote in All the Laws But One.

This time, there seems to be little interest in enacting laws against free expression -- but the draft version of MATA would curtail privacy in hopes of thwarting future terrorist attacks. It says:

-Police wiretap powers would be expanded, and Carnivore's utility increased. Any U.S. attorney or state attorney general could order the installation of the FBI's Carnivore Net-surveillance system in emergency situations without obtaining a court order first.

-Voicemail messages would be easier for law enforcement investigators to obtain. A search warrant would be required, instead of a wiretap order that brings with it a higher level of court scrutiny.

-Wiretapping would become easier. Currently, police are required to perform "normal investigative procedures" before tapping, a requirement that would no longer apply.

-Echelon, the National Security Agency's shadowy data collection system operated in conjunction with friendly nations, could be used against Americans. Information gathered from Echelon and other electronic surveillance by foreign governments could be used against Americans "even if the collection would have violated the Fourth Amendment," according to the Justice Department's analysis of MATA.

-The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), a law that created a secret court to approve spy investigations, would be broadened and made more powerful. Searches and surveillance under FISA would become permissible for one year, instead of the current limit of 45 to 90 days.

-Using this new version of FISA, prosecutors could look through the records of any business, credit card company or Internet provider with an "administrative subpoena" that does not require a judge's approval.

-A non-U.S. citizen suspected of being a terrorist could be detained immediately by federal authorities without a court order.

-The statute of limitations for terrorism-related crimes would be eliminated.

-Nobody would be able to possess certain chemicals or biological agents unless they can prove they have a "peaceful purpos

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   By Charles Aldinger

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Army units have been ordered to deploy for
possible military operations as part of a major Pentagon (news - web sites)
build-up in and around the Middle East in response to last week's attacks on
America, Army Secretary Thomas White said on Thursday.

White refused to provide any details, including whether elite Special
Operations troops might move toward the region around Afghanistan (news - web
sites) where prime suspect Osama bin Laden (news - web sites) and his
organization are believed to be based, but added that ``Army elements were
part of the deployment order.''

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on Wednesday signed an order that included
plans to move as many as 100 or more heavy bombers, fighters, aerial
refueling planes and other combat aircraft toward the Middle East and Central
Asia region.

Washington has accused Afghanistan's ruling Taliban of harboring fugitive
guerrilla leader bin Laden and has warned Kabul that it could face attack if
he is not turned over to the United States.

While the Defense Department refused flatly to discuss details of Rumsfeld's
order or where the aircraft and troop units might go, individual Air Force
units confirmed on Thursday that they had been ordered to go.

PART OF 'INFINITE JUSTICE'

``We have received an order to deploy,'' Air Force Capt. James Cunningham, a
spokesman for the 28th Bomb Wing at Ellsworth Air Force Base, South Dakota,
told Reuters. He would not say whether any of the big swing-wing B-1 bombers
in the unit had begun moving.

``We did receive a deployment order and we are ready to go,'' said Air Force
Staff Sgt. Scott Sturkol, a spokesman with the 319th Air Refueling Wing at
Grand Forks Air Force Base, North Dakota. A total of 48 big KC-135 refueling
planes are stationed there.

The deployment, part of a build-up dubbed ``Operation Infinite Justice,'' is
the first under President Bush (news - web sites)'s declared ''war on
terrorism.'' He has vowed to punish culprits responsible for ramming hijacked
airliners into the Pentagon and New York's World Trade Center on Sept. 11 and
crashing a fourth plane in Pennsylvania, as well as states that support and
harbor such groups.

Defense officials refused to confirm or deny a report in Thursday's
Washington Post newspaper that aircraft would not only go to the Gulf region
and the Indian Ocean but -- in an unprecedented move -- to the former Soviet
republics of Uzbekistan and Tajikistan near Afghanistan.


The Navy also sent an additional aircraft carrier toward the Middle East
region on Wednesday, a move that along with the air deployment could place up
to 500 U.S. warplanes in the Mediterranean, Gulf and Indian Ocean areas for
what Washington has suggested could be a strike against Afghanistan.

Two other American carriers are already in the region. The USS Carl Vinson is
in the Gulf and the USS Enterprise is just outside of the Gulf in the
Northern Indian Ocean.

The three carriers pack a total of more than 210 strike and support aircraft.

Defense officials have said privately that a wide range of military options
are being studied in connection with a combined diplomatic, financial and
military approach to the problem of terror groups.

The Post reported that those options could include strikes into Afghanistan
by small, elite Army combat units to capture or kill bin Laden, followed by
heavy bombing of guerrilla bases.

``We have a very strong Special Operations capability in the Army and I'm
sure it will be used,'' White told reporters in a question-and-answer session
on Thursday. He refused to be more specific.''




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By CURT ANDERSON
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September 20, 2001, 5:11 PM EDT


WASHINGTON -- The United States must develop the will for a sustained,
uncompromising battle against terrorism and the countries that sponsor it or
the worldwide threat will grow far worse, former Israeli Prime Minister
Benjamin Netanyahu told Congress.

"We must have moral clarity," Netanyahu said Thursday. "What is at stake
today is nothing less than the survival of our civilization."

The hard-line stance espoused by Netanyahu in his opening statement drew
unusual, lengthy applause from Democrats and Republicans on the House
Government Reform Committee.

"Many of us are focusing seriously on this issue for the first time," said
Rep. Dan Burton, R-Ind., the panel's chairman. "Today, we know that no place
is safe. Terrorists can reach us anyplace."

Netanyahu was Israel's prime minister from 1996-99 and has written books
about terrorism. He said the United States should rally the world behind a
campaign with military and economic components aimed mainly at the countries
that harbor terrorists or provide other support. These countries, he said,
include Syria, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya.

"Take away all the state support, and the entire terrorist scaffolding will
collapse," Netanyahu said. "It is time to establish a fixed principle:
Terrorism will be punished. Severely punished."

Eradicating Israel is not the main goal of most of these groups, Netanyahu
said. Their overarching purposes are to force all Western influences out of
the Islamic countries and make Islam dominant by concentrating on inflicting
increasing pain on the United States.

Netanyahu also warned that many of the nations supporting the network are
developing weapons of mass destruction that terrorists could use in future
attacks.

"Does anyone doubt that, given a chance, they would throw atom bombs at
America? And before that, chemical and biological weapons?" Netanyahu said.
"We have received a wake-up call from hell. The time for action is now."

Based on Israel's experience, Netanyahu also said:

_The United States and its allies should use pre-emptive strikes to stop
suspected terrorist activities.

_Improved intelligence and police work may ease the problem but will not stop
it.

_In tracking down individuals such as Osama bin Laden, the United States
should not wait for "legalisms" necessary for a court conviction. "It is not
court of law," he said. "It is a field of war."

_The American people must "see themselves as soldiers" and be prepared for
sacrifice, including casualties among military personnel and civilians. "They
have to have a moral outrage in them but not crumble in the face of these
attacks."




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Palestinian Authority leader Yasser Arafat up to now has been successful in
driving a wedge between the United States and Israel while retaining
plausible deniability for suicide bombings in the Middle East.

But in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States, Arafat's
strategy is in shambles. He is now trapped between an unrestrained Israel and
the anger of the Palestinian public.

Immediately after the events of Sept. 11, Stratfor wrote that Israel would be
a major beneficiary of the attacks. We said: "Given that pressures for Israel
to restrain operations against the Palestinian Authority will decline
dramatically, it might be expected that Yasser Arafat, anticipating this
evolution, will rapidly change his position on suicide bombings and become
more accommodating to Israel. In effect, today's events have wrecked Arafat's
nearly successful drive to split the United States from Israel."

That appears to be what has happened. After agreeing to a truce with Israel,
Arafat took the unprecedented step Sept. 18 of ordering his forces not to
fire even in self-defense. In return, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has
ordered a halt to "unilateral action" by Israeli forces. The differing
formulas tell it all. Sharon has promised to withhold strikes unless the
Palestinians strike first. The Palestinian Authority has committed itself not
to strike under any circumstances.

Behind all this is a grim reality for Arafat. He was executing a superb
strategy. The suicide bombing campaign against Israel allowed Arafat some
plausible deniability, at least with Europe and the United States. He argued
that he was unable to restrain the bombers because they were controlled by
other groups, such as Hamas. The more intensely Israel attacked the
Palestinians, the more frequently the suicide bombings would occur. This
argument allowed Arafat to shift responsibility for events away from himself
toward Sharon and Palestinian radicals. He could play the victim of both
while generating sympathy for the Palestinians and support for himself.

The intent of his strategy was to drive a wedge between the Sharon government
and the United States. Sharon's response to the Palestinians had been to
launch what was, in effect, a war against the Palestine Authority's
infrastructure: attacking command facilities, assassinating leaders and
moving into towns to clear out armed Palestinians. It was little noticed that
on the night of Sept. 10, Israeli forces surrounded the town of Jenin as part
of this conflict.

But following the Sept. 11 suicide hijackings in the United States, Arafat's
strategy is in shambles. He is still in the middle, but now he is trapped. He
fully understands the United States will no longer restrain Sharon. Arafat
also knows Sharon well enough to know he will seize any provocation to press
the war to a new level of intensity.

On the other hand, Arafat may not have complete control over the suicide
bombers attacking Israel. After the July 2000 Camp David summit, Arafat
deftly maneuvered himself into a position wherein his policies were aligned
with those of more radical Palestinians. They had reached a mutual
accommodation of sorts: Arafat would use their attacks on Israel to position
his diplomacy, and the radicals would carry out operations to their
satisfaction and permit Arafat to exploit them for political ends. This
cooperation, or parallel play if you will, was not the same as Arafat being
in genuine control of all elements.

This means that although Arafat sees no alternative to accepting a
cease-fire, it is far from certain that all Palestinian groups will accept
it. Indeed, both Islamic Jihad and Hamas have opposed the cease-fire, with
Islamic Jihad vehemently opposing Arafat's participation in a U.S.-led
coalition against Osama bin Laden.

It will be much more difficult for these groups to operate now. Arafat might
not have controlled them before, but his intelligence apparatus refrained
from interfering with them. That is primarily what the Israelis were furious
about because they felt Arafat could have shut down the bombers if he had
wanted to. Now it is in Arafat's interest to do so. He will certainly try and
to some extent succeed â

[CTRL] Pentagon said to eye nuclear attack against terrorists


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Pentagon said to eye nuclear attack against terrorists

WASHINGTON (Kyodo) The Defense Department has recommended to President George
W. Bush the use of tactical nuclear weapons as a military option to retaliate
for last week's terrorist attacks in the United States, diplomatic sources
said Tuesday.
It is unknown whether Bush has made any decision. Military analysts said the
president is unlikely to opt for the use of nuclear weapons because doing so
would generate a backlash from the international community and could even
trigger revenge from the enemy involving weapons of mass destruction.

However, the Pentagon's suggestion shows the determination of U.S. officials
to retaliate for the first massive terrorist attacks on the U.S. mainland,
the analysts said.

The recommendation appears intended to deter terrorists, they said.

On ABC television's "This Week" program Sunday, Defense Secretary Donald
Rumsfeld refused to rule out the use of tactical nuclear weapons. Rumsfeld,
who is notoriously tight-lipped with the press, avoided answering a question
on whether their use could be ruled out. To a similar question, a Pentagon
official also replied, "We will not discuss operational and intelligence
matters."

The diplomatic sources said the Pentagon recommended using tactical nuclear
weapons shortly after it became known that the terrorist attacks caused an
unprecedented number of civilian casualties.

On Sept. 11, hijackers seized four commercial U.S. aircraft. Two of the
planes slammed into the twin towers of New York's World Trade Center, while a
third hit the Pentagon near Washington. The fourth plane crashed outside
Pittsburgh. More than 5,000 people were left dead or missing in the attacks.

Tactical nuclear weapons have been developed to attack very specific targets.
The military analysts said Pentagon officials are apparently thinking of
using weapons that can reach and destroy terrorists hiding in an underground
shelter, limiting damage to surrounding areas.

In 1986, the U.S. conducted an air raid on Libya, attempting to target Col.
Moammar Gadhafi. In 1998, Washington fired a cruise missile into Afghanistan
in an attempt to kill Osama bin Laden.

Analysts said that since these attempts failed, U.S. officials may be mulling
the use of tactical nuclear weapons, which can cause much greater destruction
than conventional weapons.

The U.S. has indicated that it does not rule out the use of nuclear weapons
if a country attacks the U.S., its allies, or its forces with chemical or
biological weapons.


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Re: [CTRL] Banned songs after WTC?

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On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Fernando Sobral wrote:
>Is it true? People can t listen to John Lennon's "Imagine" or Armstrong
>"What a Wonderful World" because if its "peace-desire" contents?

Presumably only on Clear Channel stations...stations owned by other
corporations can play the songs, or at least we haven't heard of any
other broadcasting group banning the songs...

One news show reported that a live concert devoted to John Lennon that
was due to be broadcast this week has been moved up two weeks due to a
joint decision made by Yoko Ono and the producer of the show...and that
the song "Imagine" WILL be part of that broadcast...

June

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Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth)
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[CTRL] [Spy News] FW: alleged BBC alleged allegation against CNN is DEFINITELY FORGED (fwd)

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-Original Message-
From: State and Local Freedom of Information Issues
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jim Warren
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 12:26 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: alleged BBC alleged allegation against CNN is DEFINITELY
*FORGED*

[The net's glorious rumor-DEBUNKING power, herewith refutes in less
than 24 hours, its equally notorious rumor-generating power.  Please
forward this to anyone to whom you forwarded the earlier *forged*
message/allegation.]

I found a way to get email to the *alleged* author of the email that
alleged that CNN aired old 1991 footage as being of *current*
anti-American demonstrations.  (We know such demonstrations happened;
the ONLY two questions were whether the particular CNN footage was
current, and whether the recent message critical of CNN really was
authored by a BBC Manager.)

The latest allegation against CNN arrived yesterday via Farber's IP list --
At 07:12 PM -0400 09/19/01, David Farber wrote:
>>Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 13:54:11 -0400
>>From: Eric Rosenthal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>
>>>There's an important point in the power of press, specifically the power
of
>>>CNN.  All around the world we are subjected to 3 or 4 huge news
distributors
..

I just sent email to the *alleged* author of the charges against CNN,
*at* BBC, and just received this answer, that I consider
authoritative:

>From: Russell Grossman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: Jim Warren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: seeking to validate OR refute a
>statement, *alleged* to be by you
>Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 22:37:46 +0100
>
>Russell Grossman is out of the office for most of Friday 21st September
>please contact Susannah Robson on 020 7765 3627 for any urgent stuff.
>
>If you're enquiring about an email circulating with details of CNN footage
>of Palestinians, which has Russell's name on the bottom : it wasn't sent by
>him and was not issued by the BBC.  It seems to be the work of someone
>seeking to make mischief.  BBC footage used that day was from AP, not CNN.

Since this is a response directly from the BBC eaddr to which I
emailed my query, I'm confident that the BBC manager's name and
sig-lines were *FORGED* on the original message.

That dog don't hunt!

Please note that this refutes the *authorship* of the message; not
the allegation against CNN.  However, the allegation seems *highly*
unlikely.

[Footnote:  BBC says the footage was from AP-TV.  CNN has said that
their footage was from Reuters.  Presumably, it's different footage.]

End-of-story!

--jim
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[CTRL] Report: Osama may have fled Afghanistan


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Report: Osama may have fled Afghanistan
By HARBAKSH SINGH NANDA

NEW DELHI, India, Sept. 20 (UPI) - The prime suspect in last Tuesday's terror
attacks on New York and Washington, Osama bin Laden, may have fled
Afghanistan four days ago, India's leading news Web site rediff.com reported
Thursday.

"The bird has flown," a highly placed source in Pakistan told the Web site.
"They (the ulema) officially asked him to leave today, but he had left four
days ago," the unnamed official was quoted as saying.

Intelligence sources say that bin Laden may have joined thousands of Afghanis
who have gathered along the Pakistan border in an effort to cross the border
before a possible attack on Afghanistan by the United States.

Although both Iran and Pakistan have officially sealed their borders with
Afghanistan, it would not be difficult for bin Laden to sneak across the
border. Dawn, a Pakistani daily, had earlier reported that bin Laden on
Sunday took an oath of allegiance from 500 of his Arab supporters in Kabul
before disappearing on horseback for a place that may not be motorable.

The Sept. 11 attacks are believed to have killed more than 5,000 people and
destroyed the World Trade Center in New York and a part of the Pentagon near
Washington.

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[CTRL] US air industry launches massive attack on jobs (fwd)


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Assalamu'alaikum,

US air industry launches massive attack on jobs

By Jerry White

20 September 2001

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/sep2001/jobs-s20.shtml

Without a murmur of protest from the news media, the politicians or, least
of all, the trade unions, the US airline and aerospace industries have
launched a massive attack on the jobs and living standards of their
workers. The destruction of tens of thousands of jobs is an early signal
that the working class will bear the brunt of the Bush administrations war
on terrorism.

American Airlines announcement Wednesday that it will eliminate 20,000
jobs brings the total cuts planned by major US carriers to over 60,000.
This includes 20,000 at United, 12,000 at Continental and 11,000 at US
Airways. Northwest, Delta and Southwest airlines are scheduled shortly to
make public their job-cutting plans. A preliminary report earlier this
week said the number four carrier, Northwest Airlines, is expected cut at
least 10,000 jobs.

Smaller US carriers have also announced job cuts, including American Trans
Air (1,500), American West Airlines (2,000) and Midwest Airlines (1,700),
which said it was shutting down for good.

Aircraft-maker Boeing said it would cut up to 31,000 jobs, or 30 percent
of its workforce, because of falling orders for new planes. The bulk of
the jobs will be lost at jet manufacturing facilities in the Seattle area
and in Wichita, Kansas.

Massive job cuts are not limited to the US. Several overseas companies
announced job cuts, including British Airways, which will eliminate 7,000
jobs, and Virgin Airlines, which is cutting 1,200. Others, including the
Dutch carrier KLM, Air France and Lufthansa, are scaling back routes and
planning an undisclosed number of job cuts.

Airline executives, who are currently lobbying the federal government for
a $24 billion package of tax breaks, loans and direct aid to bail out the
industry, have declared that even with the assistance, 100,000 jobs will
be wiped out. Industry analysts say that for every one job eliminated by
the major airlines, six more in related industries will be wiped out. That
adds up to a potential loss of 600,000 jobs.

The airlines have blamed the crisis on last weeks terror attacks and the
losses they incurred because of the suspension of flights, the falloff in
air travel, and the high cost of security and insurance. Without question
these events dealt a massive blow to the industry.

However, prior to the terror attacks on New York and Washington the air
carriers were reeling from the impact of the economic slowdown, high fuel
costs and a sharp decline in business travel, the airlines most lucrative
source of income. Analysts had anticipated $1.5 billion in losses for
2001, and pointed to overcapacity in the industry, as well as the airlines
$26 billion debt load, as signs that further consolidation was in store.

Well before the events of September 11 corporate executives were working
out plans for drastic cost-cutting measures, including the elimination of
thousands of jobs. Airline and aerospace executives have now latched onto
the tragic events of last week to escalate their attack on the labor
force.

Industry officials and Wall Street analysts had complained about the labor
contracts won by pilots, flight attendants and ground workers during the
recent period of tight labor markets. After giving up concessions in the
early 1990swhen the airlines faced a crisis brought on by the last
recessionairline workers have fought to recoup their losses over the past
several years, a period of record profits for the carriers. The same is
true for workers at Boeing, including white-collar workers who waged an
unprecedented strike against the company.

Now the companies aim to use the hammer of mass unemployment to intimidate
workers, dampen their militancy and make way for new concessions. The Wall
Street Journal acknowledged that the airlines are citing the events of
September 11 to circumvent whatever minimum job protection workers had.
Both the pilots and flight attendants at US Airways, the Journal noted,
have no-furlough clauses in their contracts, but those might be
unenforceable if the company can prove that last weeks attack was an act
of war.

In the face of this attack, the working class has no mass organizations to
defend its interests. The AFL-CIO trade union bureaucracy has proclaimed
its eagerness to collaborate even more closely with management. In a joint
press conference with the US Chamber of Commerce earlier this week,
AFL-CIO President John Sweeney said, The attack on America will only steel
the determination of our nations workers and businesses to overcome the
challenge that has been thrown down. We hope it will also inspire both
business and labor to work together to overcome many of the issues that
have divided us.

At Boeing, a spokesman for the International Association of Machinists
acknowledged the need for job cuts, asking only that the compan

[CTRL] Netanyahu tells US not to compromise with terror


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Netanyahu tells US not to compromise with terror
By Janine Zacharia


Washington â Former Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, testifying before the
House Government Reform Committee this evening, said if the US includes
terrorism-sponsoring regimes like Syria, Iran or the Palestinian Authority in
a coalition against worldwide terrorism then the alliance "will be defeated
from the beginning."

Such a coalition, Netanyahu said, "will preclude possibility of overall
victory" and "will melt down because of its own internal contradictions."

Netanyahu, who received unprecedented applause at the end of his testimony,
called for the US to take a wide approach in its war against international
terrorism, which is undoubtedly sustained by support of sovereign states.

The hearing was called to examine possible US responses to last week's terror
attacks on the US and Netanyahu, who authored a book on terrorism, was
summoned as a terrorism expert.

"Take away all the state support and the entire scaffolding of international
terrorism will collapse into the dust. The international terrorist network is
based on regimes â on Iraq, on Iran, on Syria, on Taliban Afghanistan,Yasser
Arafatâs Palestinian Authority and several other Arab regimes such as the
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[CTRL] Chinese Working Overtime to Sew U.S. Flags


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This is a disgrace, our flags should be made in USA, to me this kills part of
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Chinese Working Overtime to Sew U.S. Flags


By John Pomfret
Washington Post Foreign Service
Thursday, September 20, 2001; Page A14


SHANGHAI -- As America wraps its wounds in red, white and blue, flag
factories in China are running nonstop to feed the overwhelming demand in the
United States for the Stars and Stripes.

At the Shanghai Mei Li Hua Flags Co., office director Wu Guomin has received
orders for more than 500,000 flags from customers in the United States in the
week since the terrorist attacks in New York and Washington. "I guess because
we make so many of these things you could say we feel a little closer to the
situation there," Wu said as he fingered an American flag. "We're working day
and night."

The Jin Teng Flag Co. in neighboring Zhejiang province reported orders of
600,000. "It's crazy and very, very sad," said Jin Teng, the factory owner.
"Everyone is on overtime trying to satisfy demand."

Jin and Wu said that even with China's National Day fast approaching on Oct.
1, they have stopped making Chinese flags so that they can fill U.S. orders.

"We've been presented with an opportunity to make a lot more money than we
usually do making these flags," said Wu, whose factory sells medium-size
flags to U.S. distributors for about $1 apiece. "But we won't take it. We
really didn't want to make too much of a profit on other people's sadness."

At the Shanghai plant, Fei Xiaohua, a laborer, was sewing a 6-by-9-foot flag.
"This is my 50th so far today," she said, her fingers working nimbly.
"Sometimes I don't like this job. But this time, what I'm doing seems worth
it."

It is unclear what percentage of U.S. flags are made in China, but as with
all textiles, the numbers have boomed in recent years. China produces more
shoes and clothes for the U.S. market than any other country. In a few years,
China will become the biggest producer of computer parts for the U.S. market
as well.

The flag business illustrates the increasingly close trade ties between China
and the United States, valued last year at more than $100 billion. Those ties
are expected to expand with China's imminent accession to the World Trade
Organization (WTO). China moved a giant step forward toward that goal last
weekend when the organization generally agreed on its conditions for entry.

"WTO should provide a great opportunity for us," said Wu, a suave 44-year-old
manager. "Right now, no one around the world can really compete with us flag
makers. We have good machines and rock-bottom labor costs."

Wu and Jin said they hoped Americans would not mind that Chinese were making
their flags. The manufacture of such patriotic symbols has caused trouble in
the past. Following the April 1 collision of a U.S. Navy reconnaissance plane
and a Chinese jet fighter off China's southern coast, the Pentagon canceled
contracts to outfit Army soldiers with a "Made in China" black beret.

China, too, has used trade as a lever in relations with Washington,
expressing occasional discontent with U.S. policies by cozying up to Europe's
Airbus Industries instead of Boeing Co. But this time, in the days following
the disaster, as the global airline market crashed, China repeated its
commitment to buy 30 Boeing 737s, making it one of the world's bright spots
for aviation firms.

"We are living in a really global world right now," said Wu. "It's natural
that China manufactures simple things for the whole world. We have a
manufacturing economy."

But Sun Zhenyu, a top trade official, warned today that China's export
growth, a key element in China's economy, will likely face a serious threat
for the remainder of the year, according to the official New China News
Agency. Already, Chinese travel agents are reporting hundreds of
cancellations.

"The U.S. economy is already bad, surely this will affect the global economy,
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[CTRL] Woman accused of drowning children believes execution will drive away Satan


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Houston Chronicle
Sept. 19, 2001

HOUSTON - Andrea Pia Yates wants to be executed so she and Satan will be
destroyed, a psychologist testified Wednesday during a hearing to determine
whether the mother accused of killing her five children is competent to stand
trial.


Gerald Harris, a psychologist at the University of Houston in Texas hired by
the defense, visited Yates four times after she was jailed for drowning her
five children in the family bathtub.

The satanic delusions have begun to subside, but Yates still doesn't meet the
threshold for the legal definition of competency, Harris told a jury of 11
women and one man.

"She is rapidly getting better," Harris said under questioning by defense
lawyer George Parnham.

But Harris said he was concerned about Yates' delusions.

"You're not going to defend yourself if you still believe your dying is going
to get rid of Satan," Harris said of Yates' ability to help her lawyers.

Jurors must decide if Yates, 37, has a rational understanding of the charges
against her and can consult with her lawyers. Should they decide she is
competent, Yates would go to trial on two charges of capital murder in the
deaths of Noah, 7, John, 5, and Mary, 6 months.

If the panel thinks she is not competent, they will have to decide whether
she could become so with more treatment and medication or whether she is
hopelessly incompetent. Competency only deals with Yates' state of mind
today, not at the time of the deaths.

Yates called police to her southeast Houston home on June 20 and admitted to
killing the children along with siblings Paul, 3, and Luke, 2.

She has pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity. Harris County District
Attorney Chuck Rosenthal is seeking the death penalty. He said the decision
was made to allow for a full range of punishment options.

Yates, wearing an orange jail uniform, sat virtually motionless during the
first day of testimony. But periodically she appeared more animated than in
previous court appearances. She sometimes looked at witnesses as they
testified and a few times leaned over the desk to consult with lawyers when
the jury was out of the courtroom.

She never looked in the audience where her family was sitting on the first
row. Her husband, Russell Yates, had to remain outside the court because he
is scheduled to testify.

Harris said Yates is being treated with anti-depressants and anti-psychotic
drugs in the Harris County Jail and the medicines seem to be working. He
predicted she would be fully competent within a month or two.

During the first two visits within 10 days of the children's deaths, Harris
said, Yates was psychotic and nearly catatonic when she spoke of her satanic
delusions and hallucinations.

Periodically during those visits Yates would look off as if she were
listening or attending to someone else, Harris said.

"She told me that Satan was talking to her," Harris said. "She said she had
seen images of Satan in the walls (of the jail).

"She said she should be punished and that the state would destroy her and
Satan," Harris said later under cross-examination by the state.

In a competency hearing, the defense has the burden of proof and calls
witnesses first.

During cross-examination, prosecutor Joe Owmby questioned whether it was
possible Yates concocted the "complicated scheme with Satan" because she was
facing the death penalty.

"She lives in a state that has the death penalty," Owmby said. "You find it
delusional that she thinks the state might execute her for killing five
people?"

Laura Marangell, a Baylor College of Medicine psychiatrist in Houston, said
she had studied Yates' medical history, which included hospitalizations and
outpatient treatment for major depression after the birth of her fourth and
fifth children.

If the jury should find Yates incompetent based on the progress she has made
in the past with proper medication, she should be competent within a month,
Marangell said.

The medical records indicated Yates had attempted suicide twice, had
homicidal thoughts and suffered from psychosis that seemed to improve only
with medication.

About a month before the children died, Yates had been hospitalized and
received outpatient treatment. Her attending doctor discontinued a
prescription for an anti-psychotic 16 days before the killings.


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> Apparently, until this week, they knew just where he was by tracking his
>  satellite phone and they traced his organisation by checking out Internet
>  traffic and email.

  They're saying they knew where the "most wanted man in the world" was all
this time?  And admit that they had the authorization and ability to
snoop on his org already - so why did they need new legislation?

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[CTRL] Grotesque And Pathetic "War"

http://www.truthinmedia.org/Bulletins2001/tim2001-9-2.html#2.%20Grotesque%20and%20Pathetic%20“War”



Grotesque and Pathetic “War”Sep. 18, 2001 

About 281 Million against One! 

COEUR D’ALENE, IDAHO, Sep. 18 - No war is pretty.  But the one that George W. Bush and his warmongering cohorts are promising the nation will probably take the cake in terms of ugliness.  It will be the most grotesque and pathetic war in mankind’s history.  It will be a war fought by honorable American men and women who have been duped into wasting their lives for a losing cause.  President Bush is painting himself and our troops into a corner with his no-win scenario.

Even before the first shots are fired, we will have lost that war.  Why?  Because Bush wants to lead America, a nation of 281 million people, the greatest power in the history of the world, into war against ONE man?! 

Such an act would only underline our WEAKNESS, not to mention inanity.  Dead or alive, Osama bin Laden is guaranteed to end up a martyr.  And we, the victims of the September 11 attack, are sure to look like aggressive fools in the eyes of the world.  We will continue to be despised, hated and attacked whenever possible. 

Way to turn a victim into an assailant, and an assailant into a martyr, Mr. Bush!  Now, that’s “leadership;” that’s “wisdom;” that’s “farsighted foreign policy”… But such an outcome would befit a self-infatuated and self-indulgent dozing giant (America) which has allowed its government to be taken over by the fools and dilettantes working for the New World Order..

Fools and dilettantes?  Is there any other epithet that befits our Washington leaders and the folks in our “intelligence community” (what an oxymoron!) on whom we’ve been spending $30 billion a year?  What happened on September 11 was an example of their (and, therefore, America’s) impotence and incompetence.  Nineteen audacious terrorists, armed with plastic knives and hearts as big as mountains, tore to shreds America’s high tech-based folly; a self-perpetuated myth of impenetrable security.

At the start of NATOs bombing of Serbia in 1999, we reminded the “NWO Uebermenschen” (supermen) of an old Serbian proverb.  It says, "Bitku ne bije svijetlo oruzje no srce u junaka" ("Battle is not fought by shiny weapons but by the hearts of heroes" - see “Kosovo War: Serbs Outnumbered 97 to 1 by NATO Countries”).  In the end, the bombing also exposed the frailties of the high tech-driven wars (see "How Serb Dummies Fooled NATO Dummies"). 

What did we learn from that?  Evidently very little.  For, even if we turn the mountainous Afghanistan into a pancake while trying to flatten bin Laden with it, how is that going to protect us from another group of fanatics armed with plastic knives and hearts as big as mountains causing another tragedy like the WTC and the Pentagon?  It won’t, of course.

So what should we be doing?  Well, we should be waging war… a war on all inside intelligence moles, leaks and weak links in our government who have allowed the September 11 crimes against humanity to take place.  They are the ones we should be “taking out” first and foremost.  What the determined terrorists did to us was bad; what our own "intelligence services" didn’t do was worse.

If the heads of the NSC, the CIA or the FBI were men of honor, they would have submitted their resignations within hours of the disaster.  If they were Japanese men of honor, they would have probably hung themselves, as some JAL executives did, for example, after a 747 crash in Japan in the 1980s.

It has now been a week, and all three government officials are still behind their desks, as far as we know.  And no wonder… An Eastern European proverb says that, “fish always stinks from the head.”

Harry Truman reminded Americans that “the buck stops here,” meaning at the White House.  Not so in Bush’s White House.  Which is why Bush and his cohorts in the federal government are now trying to deflect our attention and scrutiny away from themselves and their failures by moving straight to retaliation against third parties.  

The President and his advisors have been telling us that they want to “take out” Osama bin Laden no matter what; even if it takes taking out Afghanistan as a country.  And some other countries that allegedly harbor terrorism.  Never mind that they have not yet produced any EVIDENCE of bin Laden’s sponsorship of the September 11 attack.

By advocating an “eye-for-an-eye” approach (we can kill more of you than you can kill of us), our President and his advisors are stooping down to the level of the terrorists they are condemning.  Rather than follow such a leader, Americans should be ashamed of a President and the “hawks” around him who want to (ab)use our military to “take out” an unindicted suspect and the country in which he lives, rather than bring him to justice and prove his or that country’s guilt first.  The latter is what a civilized leader of a civilized country would be saying to the ci

Re: [CTRL] more follow the money .........

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On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Tony Dickinson wrote:
>I don't buy the bible code stuff or similar as contributing to any
>explanatory efforts 'after the event' (and where were the psychic's
>published predictions ?).

Yes, this all puts crap like bible codes and Nostradamus predictions
(whether legitimate predictions or made up ones) into perspective
unless someone can PROOVE they predicted this BEFORE the event, it is all
ridiculous twaddle, on the same level as Miss Cleo, the Psychic
Hotline, or your daily horoscope in the newspaper...

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: It was planned by microsoft . . .

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>  Okay, it's spooky, but what is the significance of Q33 to begin with?  What
>made the person type in those characters?

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Re: [CTRL] Amazon book recommendations needed

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Anything BUT Sutton?  Or anything BY Sutton?

Oh DAMN!!
I love Sutton (not like that!!)
OK, amend my statement to "anything BY Sutton"!!

Thanks for pointing that out Samantha!!

Bill.

[CTRL] Feds Complain Bin-Laden NOT Using Hi-Tech

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/57/21790.html

Feds complain Bin Laden not using hi-tech equipment
By Kieren McCarthy
Posted: 20/09/2001 at 16:57 GMT

Osama Bin Laden is evading detection by not using modern telecoms equipment, the US intelligence services have told the press. "He switched off a lot of communications technologies," a US intelligence spokesman said. "Now it is other people talking for him. In an innocuous conversation, you can't pick that out."

Osama is so cunning, we are told, that he is now using human messengers and family members to deliver instructions. "This isn't low-tech," a former NSA consultant has been quoted as saying. "You'd have to really call it no-tech."

Apparently, until this week, they knew just where he was by tracking his satellite phone and they traced his organisation by checking out Internet traffic and email.

Now hang on a second. Are these the same intelligence agencies that have clearly failed to infiltrate Osama bin Laden's organisation and that were caught completely unawares when the greatest terrorist attack in history happened right on their own doorstep?

Only last week, we were being told that increased surveillance - taps on all ISPs and a backdoor in encryption systems - was the only way to stop people like this. Now, seven days later, when hundreds of special forces personnel are crawling around Afghanistan looking for the man, we're told that all this technology and the billions spent on it are obsolete because he's turned his phone off. That we are blind as a mole.

In fact, a mole is exactly what the West needs at the moment. Most companies have learnt that modern computer technology is nothing more than a tool - a useful tool, mind - and that it's knowledge and expertise among your staff that really cuts it. It would seem the intelligence services are not quite up to speed.

Re: [CTRL] Amazon book recommendations needed

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> Webster...also Eustace Mullins's SECRETS OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE...oh and
>  ANYTING but Anthony Sutton!

Anything BUT Sutton?  Or anything BY Sutton?

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: US Demands Israel Explain "Puzzling Behavior" : WasIsraelinvo...

In a message dated 9/20/01 6:10:01 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


This is Arab propaganda. The sources are out of the Mid East. Shannon has
proven himself a liar willing to deceive the whole group to accommodate his
Jew hatred.

I hate nobody based on their religion Zev and I have nothing against Jews, it's Zionists that I dislike, but you know that and insist on namecalling and demonizing, a tactic you've mastered no doubt by emulating the ADL morons.

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Re: [CTRL] Ayn Rand Institute Editorial

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> The Ayn Rand Institute ran a full-page ad in today's Washington Post. They
> advocate declaring war and using nuclear weapons if necessary. It can be
> viewed at:
>
>  http://www.aynrand.org/medialink/itistimetodeclarewar.shtml

  This is a snip of it:

  "We must not only wipe out Iran's terrorist sanctuaries, its training
camps, and its military capability. We must also do the equivalent of
de-Nazifying the country, by expelling every official and bringing down every
branch of its government. This is a goal that cannot be achieved painlessly,
by bombs and missiles alone. It requires invasion by ground troops, who will
be at serious risk, and perhaps a period of occupation. But nothing less will
"end the state" that most cries out to be ended.
   The greatest obstacle to U.S. victory is not Iran and its allies, but our
own intellectuals. Even now, they are preaching the same ideas that led to
our historical paralysis. They are asking a reeling nation, in the name of
"restraint," to apply only economic and diplomatic pressures, like those that
have failed so spectacularly and for so long. The multiculturalist professors
are pushing "understanding" in the name of avoiding "racism" (i.e., any
condemnation of "another culture").The friends of "love" are reminding us,
not too loudly yet, of our duty to turn the other cheek.
-
  First of all, I don't feel any certainty that the late Rand would advocate
this position.  If this war shriek is heeded, it's going to be prison-time
for those in the US who oppose this.  Where is the evidence of Iran's
complicity?  We don't like their "thinking?"  Doesn't anybody consider
evidence any longer?  It's beginning to look to me that any nation that dare
defy the US politically is going to be annihilated completely.

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Re: [CTRL] The New War-Id Order

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On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Dale Stonehouse wrote:
>If I remember correctly, the anitchrist was said to be at an "eastern
>university" in the late 60s, would not be well-known early in life and
>would make a rapid rise to world leadership, uniting the world and
>defeating the forces of evil.

Everything I've ever read along these lines claimed 'the antichrist'  was
born somewhere in Egypt in February of 1962...

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[CTRL] Wiretap Laws & FBI Proposals Explained

http://www.wartimeliberty.com/articles/01/09/19/191255.shtml

Wiretap Laws and FBI's Proposals Explained

posted by admin on Wednesday September 19, @01:58PM
from the you-always-wanted-to-understand-fisa-right? dept.

You'll be hearing a lot about wiretapping laws -- current and proposed future ones -- in the next few days, and the Center for Democracy and Technology has created something of a primer on them. It's not for the faint of heart, perhaps, but it does explain what the bills in Congress might do. You can read it below.

As expanded wiretap authorities are proposed in response to the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, it is useful to first understand the current laws on electronic surveillance. Contrary to some of the assertions being made in support of new authorities, federal agencies already have broad legal powers to carry out wiretaps of telephone conversations, e-mail, pagers, wireless phones, computers and all other electronic communications and communications devices.

Following is a brief summary of current law. Further details appear at:http://www.cdt.org/wiretap/wiretap_overview.html

Government Wiretap Authority

There are two sources of authority for wiretapping in the US.

(1) The Federal Wiretap Act, adopted in 1968 and sometimes referred to as Title III, normally requires, before a wiretap can commence, a court order issued by a judge who must conclude, based on an affidavit submitted by the government, that there is probable cause to believe that a crime has been, is being or is about to be committed. Terrorist bombings, hijackings and other violent activities are crimes for which wiretaps can be ordered. (Some relatively new criminal statutes on terrorism had not, as of Sept. 11, been added to the list of "predicate" crimes for which wiretaps could be ordered.) The government can and frequently does wiretap in advance of a crime being perpetrated. Judges almost never deny government requests for wiretap orders.

(2) The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 allows wiretapping of aliens and citizens in the US based on a finding of probable cause to believe that the target is a member of a foreign terrorist group or an agent of a foreign power. For US citizens and permanent resident aliens, there must also be probable cause to believe that the person is engaged in activities that "may" involve a criminal violation. Suspicion of illegal activity is not required in the case of aliens who are not permanent residents.
-- Electronic Surveillance Overseas

Finally, it is worth noting that there are no legislative limits on US government electronic eavesdropping carried out overseas. Neither Title III nor FISA have any application to intelligence collection activities outside the US. The legal authority for electronic surveillance outside the US is contained in Executive Order 12333 issued by President Reagan in 1982, still in effect today. Intelligence agencies do not need a court order to intercept communications outside the US. If a United States citizen or US permanent resident alien is targeted for surveillance abroad, the Executive Order requires the approval of the Attorney General. By internal guideline, the Attorney General must find that there is probable cause to believe that the US person who is the target of the surveillance is an agent of a foreign power. Decisions to target non-US persons are left to the intelligence community. And the vacuum cleaner approach that does not involve targeting of US persons also requires no approval from outside the intelligence community, although there are limits on the dissemination of information about US persons that is collected "incidental" to an intelligence collection activity.

-- Emergency authority

Both Title III and FISA allow the government to carry out wiretaps without a court order in emergency situations involving risk of death or serious bodily injury and in national security cases.

-- Roving taps

Under Title III, the government has "roving tap" authority, meaning that it can get a court order that does not name a specific telephone line or email account but allows the government to tap any phone line, cell phone or Internet account that a suspect uses. This authority was initially adopted in 1986 and was substantially broadened in 1999.

Roving taps are relatively rare. In 2000, 27 roving taps were approved. Of those, seven were for federal investigations: three for use in drug offense investigations, one in a murder investigation, one in a gambling investigation, one in a racketeering investigation, and one in a firearms investigation. On the state level, 20 roving wiretaps were reported; 60 percent (12 applications) were authorized for use in drug offense investigations, 10 percent (2 applications) in bribery investigations, and the remainder (six applications) in investigations of other offenses. The 2000 Wiretap Report , issued in April 2001, is available online at:http://ww

[CTRL] Netanyahu, Text of Address today

2001-09-20 Thread foxter




 I am trying to 
download the text of Netanyahu's testimony today, does anyone have a link?  
Thank you.

[CTRL] lost article

2001-09-20 Thread Glenda Worster


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Does anyone have the articles Microwave dangers to your food, parts 1 and 2?
I have lost them, or they were deleted.
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[CTRL] NORAD Source Tells Of US Military Role Under Martial Law

http://www.americanholocaust.50megs.com/071701.htm

Report # 1 July 17, 2001 "NORAD Source Tells of US Military Role Under Coming Martial Law"
Pam Schuffet reporting from across the USA-

I recently interviewed (while in Germany) a former US military source with previous high level security clearances and who was formerly employed at NORAD in Cheyenne Mountain in Colorado. During his period of working there in security, he was shown a glossy military manual illustrating the US military vision for the coming New World Order, with future projections up to the year 2020. In this manual, he noted that the borders between Canada, America and Mexico were ALL ERASED and realigned.

He was shown how TEN POWERFUL MEN would be over this New World Order, who were also very powerful in the business/financial world. He was told that all the banks would merge into a "world bank" plus many other things regarding the coming New World Order.

While employed at NORAD, he was informed as to how the US Post Offices would be used for REGISTRATION of ALL AMERICAN CITIZENS under MARTIAL LAW. He was assigned to a local Post Office in the event of MARTIAL
LAW and trained in "how to execute citizens IF THEY OFFERED RESISTANCE" while registering at the US Post Offices.
(One bullet through the back of the head with a high powered military handgun.) He admitted that families would then actually be separated from loved ones during the US Post Office registration procedure, and some would be sent off to "work camps" (concentration camps, even as were the Jews who
were only told that it was "work camps"?) Buses and vans would be waiting at the Post Offices to transport them away.

When he was invited to become a part of the coming New World Order military agenda, he declined...as did many other military men. But many also accepted this offer. He then personally showed me his file with his official military papers
indicating his work at NORAD, and his high positions in the military and combat security status.

He knows that the US military's role in COMING MARTIAL LAW IS REAL. For the US military, THE NEW WORLD ORDER IS A COMING REALITY.

Pam Schuffert

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Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes
Why Won't The ADL Talk About "Hate" In Israel?

9/20/01 11:07:59 AM
Becky Oberg for LSN

New York, NY -- [Editorial Note: any other LSN writers who want a by-line
instead of "LSN
Staff" just let me know.]

The Roman poet Juvenal asked "Who watches the watchmen?"  A recent visit
to the
Anti-Defamation League's Web page raises that question

The ADL, which calls itself "the world's leading organization to fight
anti-
Semitism, hatred, prejudice and bigotry", issued a press release
condemning
violence against Arab-Americans.

"We are disturbed that a number of Arab Americans and Islamic institutions
have
been targets of anger and hatred in the aftermath of the terrorist
attacks. At
this time of profound anger and anxiety, no group in this country should
be
singled out for hatred, prejudice or blame based on their ethnicity or
religion," said the release.

However, no mention is made of the Palestinians who are 'targets of anger
and
hatred' in Israel.

The ADL also condemned the Evangelical Lutheren Church of America for
passing a
resolution asking for an end to aid to Israel.

"American aid to Israel promotes stability and democracy in the Middle
East,"
said the ADL in a press release.  "Relief and full human rights for all in
the region will come only when Palestinian society renounces violence,
takes
effective steps to end its terrorism against Israelis and recognizes the
right
of Israel to exist."

Where is the "democracy" in the Middle East?  Is it democratic to require
civilians to carry ID to travel through their own land?  Is it democratic
to
have 'Jewish-only' housing in Hebron?

There is even a special link for anti-Semitism in the Arab World, although
the
ADL acknowledges, "Manifestations of Jew hatred were attributed to the
ongoing
resentments stemming from the hostilities between Israel and the Arabs
rather
than to any deep-seated prejudice. It was repeatedly pointed out that Jews
living under Islam through the centuries experienced far more tolerance
than
Jews in Christian Europe."

Why is it considered anti-Semitism to raise questions about how the
government
of Israel treats Palestinians?

The ADL has also classified the traditional symbol for anarchy as a
"general
racist symbol".  In the article explaining why, however, they admit "The
majority of people who identify with this movement consider themselves
non-
racist or anti-racist. The symbol is more likely to be used in an anti-
government context than a racist context."

In other words, the minority raises questions about the whole.

True, knowledge is power, and we need to be aware of what threat, if any,
hate
groups pose.  But what safeguards are in place to keep them from becoming
iased
themselves?

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes -- who watches the watchmen?

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[CTRL] 4000 Israelis


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Dear Friends:
I just have been informed that the article on the 4000 Israelis not
showing up for work at the TWC is a hoax.

God Bless;

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 will come new terrorists, even more 
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MID-EAST REALITIES © - www.MiddleEast.Org - Washington - 9/20:
Ten years in our modern world is forever.   Whatever President George W Bush proclaims 
this evening before what will surely be overwhelming applause and repeated ovations 
from the Congress, American military and imperial goals are now much bigger than ever. 
 In an ironic twist of fate, for the foreseeable future at least, a dastardly and 
ruthlessly cunning act by a group of fanatics unyieldingly opposed to the policies of 
the U.S. and Israel has given the U.S. and Israel the climate and resources to attempt 
to wipe out all opposition to those policies in the name of a "a war on terrorism" and 
the "triumph of good over evil."   Indeed, the most militarist elements in both the 
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their true policies, are now riding high in the saddle as they only once dreamed would 
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 Generals rule out 'D-Day invasion'
 
  By Michael Evans, Defence Editor
   
   [The Times, UK, 20 Sept 2001]: 
   AMERICA and Britain are producing secret plans to launch a
   ten-year war on terrorism  Operation Noble Eagle 
   involving a completely new military and diplomatic strategy to
   eliminate terrorist networks and cells around the world. 

   Despite the mass build-up of American forces in the Gulf and the
   Indian Ocean, there will be no D-Day invasion of Afghanistan
   and no repeat of the US-led Operation Desert Storm against Iraq
   in 1991, defence sources say. 

   The notion that a US-led multinational coalition would attack
   Afghanistan from all sides for harbouring Osama bin Laden, the
   wealthy Saudi dissident leader and prime suspect for the 
terrorist
   outrages in New York and Washington, has been rejected in
   Washington and London. The sources also say that the planned
   campaign is not being focused on just bringing bin Laden to
   justice. 
 
  The build-up of firepower by the Americans in the region, notably
   the two aircraft carrier battle groups that are to be joined by 
a
   third carrier, USS Theodore Roosevelt, is seen as a major 
display
   of available military capability. While it is important for 
these assets
   to be in the right place in case of a political decision to 
launch a
   strike, there are no plans for a short-term fix. 

   The dramatically different anti-terrorism campaign is being 
planned
   to meet what is now regarded as the most dangerous threat to
   global security, known as asymmetric warfare. Were expecting 
it
   to last from five to ten years, one source said. 

   New ideas are needed to counter small groups armed with the
   minimum of weaponry, whether conventional or non-conventional.
   Such groups have the capability to attack a nation as powerful 
as
   the United States, which is equipped with the full range of 
modern
   weapons and professional Armed Forces. 

   Old doctrines for fighting wars, based on lining up tanks and
   artillery and layers of troops, are being thrown out and 
replaced
   by a more subtle an

Re: [CTRL] Amazon book recommendations needed

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Children of the Matrix
The Biggest Secret
...And the Truth Shall Set You Free


Noam Chomsky -

New World Order: Fateful Triangle

The 3 Icke's are essential IMHO though you ought to also search out some of the books he mentions such as TRAGEDY & HOPE by Quigley and anything by Nesta Webster...also Eustace Mullins's SECRETS OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE...oh and ANYTING but Anthony Sutton!

As for Chomsky, it's all good.

Bill.

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See the Phoenix and arising from the Ashes the Zionists.







http://www.revelations.org.za/JerPart1.htm

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Now I consider this stuff more dangerous than some of the music being
banned but then consider who is writing and distributing the garbage.

Read more garbage - do we need stuff like this - Zionist Peasants want
to rule the world.

Get religion out of our government.you can be anything you want in
this country, but we have had in New York City an Element that wanted
the American people to react, to want to go to war, to slaughter the
Arabs...

Still want to know who did not go to work that day but then,  with the
entire bulding wiped out all records gone with one big exception - the
passport with little red arrows which survived..wonder who planted
that one.

Is this our Mossad at work in USA?   this one article said now we know
what it is like.Get a bible with all the extra stuff and see story
of Bel and Dragon..

very enlightening..God brought the Jews to Israellike hell they
did, the good old USA cut the deal and we still are paying billions
while Sharon wants to play war games - God also gave Ishmaelites all
that oil and I would rather deal with them then these Zionists who send
out garbage like Marc Rich to screw the American publis further.

As for you Joshua2 - if this be hate talk make the most of
it.Zionists are vicious killers and should be brought to justice.

A look at their American connections - garbage like Larry Flynt, Meyer
Lansky who was in on the hit of JFK, Moe Dalitz, and the criminal ADL
and Bnai Brith?   And you accuse Bill and I of being haters?

Well when it comes to Zionism and this garbage which infiltrated our
country - you can be sure they are not worth hating for I do believe
they dig their own graves without my help.

Saba




http://www.revelations.org.za/JerPart1.htm

[CTRL] Ayn Rand Institute Editorial

2001-09-20 Thread Dale Stonehouse

The Ayn Rand Institute ran a full-page ad in today's Washington Post. They advocate declaring war and using nuclear weapons if necessary. It can be viewed at:
http://www.aynrand.org/medialink/itistimetodeclarewar.shtml

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So guess who is pushing for WWIII where Americans are to die for more
jews, homosexuals, and gypsies as they say?

55 million people died in WWII...read this garbage and see where the
USA fits in here for it is our blood about to be shed for Zionism.

They can take that bible crap and shove it.  I do not like their
version.

Saba




http://www.revelations.org.za/Trumpets.htm

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So the Jews are to be the winners and everybody else loses?   And hey,
they do this job themselves and if so why are we giving Zionists
billions and billions of dollars to do their work for them.

Get this country out of the pawn broker businessthe Israeli are
deadbeats having never paid us the debt already owed.

Now we are to go to war for Zionists?   Do you really think the World
Trade Center was orchestrated by Osama bin Laden?

That Zionist crap is just a little too much.it is Zionism that
destroys this country and the end result of our own stupidity in arming
Israelsis the end result - for we are paying for what they do.

Cute stuff - like USS Liberty.keep us away from making friends with
their enemies for they have many, and no wonder.

Read this garbage - oh how Great they Art with our tax money.   Bullies
all.

Saba




http://www.revelations.org.za/War.htm

Re: [CTRL] Banned songs after WTC?


-Caveat Lector-

Have a picture of my brother in law with Glen Miller and this was the
last picture taken of him while they were in England; presume it was at
what I called High Wycombe - Miller flew off into the night when he had
been warned not to go.   The weather was horrible and no experienced
pilot would have left under these conditions.

They are standing against a brick wall - New York Times did a story on
this back in the late 80 period - but the one thing my brother in law
said, and others in military often said - hey we had a war to fight, he
was just another trumpet player.

The music makers - send them off to war with a song in their heart and
on their lipsdisgusting..so Irving Berlin got special treatment
in the service for writing music to die by.

Glenn Miller was not a spy; he was hawking his music more than the war,
and sure as hell was no hero.   He died because like a few other music
makers - including the late son of Ozzie and Harriet - the weather was
bad, and so many music makers fall from the skies higher on snow, than
on clouds.

Saba

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We are talking about two different things Piper.

It is said King Solomon brought in the monkies and the rest is history.

And then we had the Beatles and the Monkies who sang a lot of worthless
music - one revolutionary music, and the other never heard.

Maybe you better do a little research into the pineal gland this little
computer chip in the center of the forehead for now and then it brings
up something original and/or let us say "prophetic" on occasion for in
essense we are all just programmed robots are we not.

Only big germs are germs of truth.

saba

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Re: [CTRL] What we got here, the music makers?


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I think all 3 are the same person
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> From: laural <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 14:54:11 -0500
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] What we got here, the music makers?
>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> Does it matter how we got here or the fact that we are bacterial byproducts.
> Bacteria helps culture out food outside our bodies (yogurt, cheese, wine,
> ect.)
> and helps digest food inside our bodies (probiotics - Acidophilus, ect.)
> which means that no matter how you got here, you have an whole ecosystem
> inside you that allows you to stay here.
>
> But then you may decide in survival of the fittest - which could mean that
> fungus and mycotoxins will inherit the earth instead of the bacterial
> byproduct
> known as human.
>
> Could this also mean that there are live beneficial bacteria that
> live in the air and keep our lungs from being fungus-ized as well?
>
> So, you can stand on what you consider your laurels (the original?)
> or look to what the future may bring, preferably not mycotoxins.
>
> Saba wrote:
> -cut-
>
>> Great site Tony..
>>
>> You really think your ancestors were monkies?   Not mine, pal - they
>> came from the original and were not cloned with monkies.
>>
>> 
>>
>> Subject:
>> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 14:23:08 -0400 (EDT)
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Saba)
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>> http://eye-hand.wustl.edu/personal/justin/lyrics.htm
>
> --
> "The science of government it is my duty to study, more than all
> other sciences; the arts of legislation and administration and
> negotiation ought to take the place of, indeed exclude, in a
> manner, all other arts. I must study politics and war, that
> our sons may have liberty to study mathematics and
> philosophy. Our sons ought to study mathematics and
> philosophy, geography, natural history and naval
> architecture, navigation, commerce and agriculture
> in order to give their children a right to study
> painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary,
> tapestry and porcelain."
> John Adams
>
> I could wish that Adams quote were added to
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> http://www.tncrimlaw.com/civil_bible/
>
> FairTest:
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>
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[CTRL] Banned songs after WTC?

2001-09-20 Thread Fernando Sobral


-Caveat Lector-

Is it true? People can t listen to John Lennon's "Imagine" or Armstrong "What a 
Wonderful World" because if its "peace-desire" contents?

"Rage against the machine"  "Vade retro, satan ... !!!"  Just their band name is 
provocative 

It s been a couple of days since I read about the Reichstag fire and the WTC and I'm 
everyday most convinced about that comparison ...

Saludos,
Fer


http://www.bayarea.com/entertainment/news/special/clearchannel.html

Radio network's list of 'inappropriate songs' hits sour note with some

By Todd Inoue
BayArea.com
Published: Sept. 17, 2001, 6:15 p.m.

A program director at a local Clear Channel radio station confirmed that the company 
disbursed a list of "inappropriate songs" that shouldn't get airplay following last 
week's terrorist attacks on the East Coast.

"It was a list that was distributed so that we wouldn't have to listen to every song 
and make judgment calls," said Gary Schoenwetter, program director for San 
Francisco-based and Clear Channel-owned Star 101.3 who received the list this week. 
"It served as a guide in deciding what was and wasn't appropriate."

Schoenwetter adds that stations are not banned from playing any songs. They can, and 
do, stray from the line-up, he said, and it is far from a be-all, end-all list.

"Had we been a station that played Edwin Starr's 'War,' we would have left that one 
in," Schoenwetter said. "It was distributed under the guise of 'Use this list at your 
discretion,' like any corporate memo. It wasn't handed out as the hand of God."

Flooding the inbox of music lovers and censorship opponents, the list, first published 
by F--kedCompany.com, came from Clear Channel, the owner and operator of 1170 stations 
nationally and one of the largest media organizations worldwide.

The song list was sent to all Clear Channel radio stations, advising program directors 
about what songs would be inappropriate to broadcast after the East Coast tragedy.

Some songs include references to war ("War Pigs," "Sunday Bloody Sunday") and bombs 
("You Dropped a Bomb on Me"). Others refer to peace ("Imagine," "Peace Train," "What a 
Wonderful World") and celebrating ("Dancing in the Streets").

Program director Larry Sharp of San Francisco-based, Susquehana-owned rock 'n' roll 
station 107.7 "The Bone" saw the list and feels some of the choices exclude songs that 
could help in the healing process.

"I agree there are some songs [that are inappropriate] but I thought a lot of them 
went too far," he said. "When you pull 'Stairway to Heaven,' that's a song people play 
at funerals. You want to hear a song like that during these times."

A corporate Clear Channel representative could not be reached for comment or to 
confirm the list of songs published on F--kedCompany.com.

The company released a public statement regarding the list, however.

"The American entertainment industry, including music, cinema and television, 
regularly incorporates violence and tragedy in lyrics, plots and storylines," the 
statement reads. "Given the environment, a Clear Channel program director took it upon 
himself to identify a number of songs that certain markets or individuals might find 
insensitive today."

"This is not a mandate nor was the list generated out of corporate radio offices," the 
statement continued. "It was a grassroots effort that was apparently circulated by 
program directors. It's the discretion of each program director and general manager to 
take polls of his or her market and if so for how long."

The following songs were reportedly listed as having "questionable" content:

Drowning Pool "Bodies"
Mudvayne "Death Blooms"
Megadeth "Dread and the Fugitive"
Megadeth "Sweating Bullets"
Saliva "Click Click Boom"
P.O.D. "Boom"
Metallica "Seek and Destroy"
Metallica "Harvester or Sorrow"
Metallica "Enter Sandman"
Metallica "Fade to Black"
All Rage Against The Machine songs
Nine Inch Nails "Head Like a Hole"
Godsmack "Bad Religion"
Tool "Intolerance"
Soundgarden "Blow Up the Outside World"
AC/DC "Shot Down in Flames"
AC/DC "Shoot to Thrill"
AC/DC "Dirty Deeds"
AC/DC "Highway to Hell"
AC/DC "Safe in New York City"
AC/DC "TNT"
AC/DC "Hell's Bells"
Black Sabbath "War Pigs"
Black Sabbath "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath"
Black Sabbath "Suicide Solution"
Dio "Holy Diver"
Steve Miller "Jet Airliner"
Van Halen "Jump"
Queen "Another One Bites the Dust"
Queen "Killer Queen"
Pat Benatar "Hit Me with Your Best Shot"
Pat Benatar "Love is a Battlefield"
Oingo Boingo "Dead Man's Party"
REM "It's the End of the World as We Know It"
Talking Heads "Burning Down the House"
Judas Priest "Some Heads Are Gonna Roll"
Pink Floyd "Run Like Hell"
Pink Floyd "Mother"
Savage Garden "Crash and Burn"
Dave Matthews Band "Crash Into Me"
Bangles "Walk Like an Egyptian"
Pretenders "My City Was Gone"
Alanis Morissette "Ironic"
Barenaked Ladies "Falling for the First Time"
Fuel "Bad Day"
John Parr "St. Elmo's Fire"
Peter Gabriel "When You're Falling"
Kansas "Dust in

Re: [CTRL] Hello

2001-09-20 Thread Fernando Sobral


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Try here:

http://brasil.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=6977&group=webcast

Saludos,
Fer
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Can anyone tell me the web page or source for the 4000 Israelis not going to
their jobs on 9/11/01?  Please let me know?

Thanks

Bill

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Re: [CTRL] What we got here, the music makers?

2001-09-20 Thread laural

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Does it matter how we got here or the fact that we are bacterial byproducts.
Bacteria helps culture out food outside our bodies (yogurt, cheese, wine,
ect.)
and helps digest food inside our bodies (probiotics - Acidophilus, ect.)
which means that no matter how you got here, you have an whole ecosystem
inside you that allows you to stay here.

But then you may decide in survival of the fittest - which could mean that
fungus and mycotoxins will inherit the earth instead of the bacterial
byproduct
known as human.

Could this also mean that there are live beneficial bacteria that
live in the air and keep our lungs from being fungus-ized as well?

So, you can stand on what you consider your laurels (the original?)
or look to what the future may bring, preferably not mycotoxins.

Saba wrote:
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> Great site Tony..
>
> You really think your ancestors were monkies?   Not mine, pal - they
> came from the original and were not cloned with monkies.
>
>   
>
> Subject:
> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 14:23:08 -0400 (EDT)
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Saba)
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> http://eye-hand.wustl.edu/personal/justin/lyrics.htm

--
"The science of government it is my duty to study, more than all
other sciences; the arts of legislation and administration and
negotiation ought to take the place of, indeed exclude, in a
manner, all other arts. I must study politics and war, that
our sons may have liberty to study mathematics and
philosophy. Our sons ought to study mathematics and
philosophy, geography, natural history and naval
architecture, navigation, commerce and agriculture
in order to give their children a right to study
painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary,
tapestry and porcelain."
John Adams

I could wish that Adams quote were added to
http://tncrimlaw.com/library.html
http://www.tncrimlaw.com/civil_bible/

FairTest:
  The National Center for Fair & Open Testing
http://www.fairtest.org/

Higher Education
National Education Association
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[CTRL] Banned songs after WTC?

2001-09-20 Thread Fernando Sobral


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Is it true? People can t listen to John Lennon's "Imagine" or Armstrong "What a 
Wonderful World" because if its "peace-desire" contents?

"Rage against the machine"  Vade retro, satan ... !!! Just their band name is 
provocative 

It s been a couple of days since I read about the Reichstag fire and the WTC and I'm 
everyday most convinced about that comparison ...

Saludos,
Fer


http://www.bayarea.com/entertainment/news/special/clearchannel.html

Radio network's list of 'inappropriate songs' hits sour note with some

By Todd Inoue
BayArea.com
Published: Sept. 17, 2001, 6:15 p.m.

A program director at a local Clear Channel radio station confirmed that the company 
disbursed a list of "inappropriate songs" that shouldn't get airplay following last 
week's terrorist attacks on the East Coast.

"It was a list that was distributed so that we wouldn't have to listen to every song 
and make judgment calls," said Gary Schoenwetter, program director for San 
Francisco-based and Clear Channel-owned Star 101.3 who received the list this week. 
"It served as a guide in deciding what was and wasn't appropriate."

Schoenwetter adds that stations are not banned from playing any songs. They can, and 
do, stray from the line-up, he said, and it is far from a be-all, end-all list.

"Had we been a station that played Edwin Starr's 'War,' we would have left that one 
in," Schoenwetter said. "It was distributed under the guise of 'Use this list at your 
discretion,' like any corporate memo. It wasn't handed out as the hand of God."

Flooding the inbox of music lovers and censorship opponents, the list, first published 
by F--kedCompany.com, came from Clear Channel, the owner and operator of 1170 stations 
nationally and one of the largest media organizations worldwide.

The song list was sent to all Clear Channel radio stations, advising program directors 
about what songs would be inappropriate to broadcast after the East Coast tragedy.

Some songs include references to war ("War Pigs," "Sunday Bloody Sunday") and bombs 
("You Dropped a Bomb on Me"). Others refer to peace ("Imagine," "Peace Train," "What a 
Wonderful World") and celebrating ("Dancing in the Streets").

Program director Larry Sharp of San Francisco-based, Susquehana-owned rock 'n' roll 
station 107.7 "The Bone" saw the list and feels some of the choices exclude songs that 
could help in the healing process.

"I agree there are some songs [that are inappropriate] but I thought a lot of them 
went too far," he said. "When you pull 'Stairway to Heaven,' that's a song people play 
at funerals. You want to hear a song like that during these times."

A corporate Clear Channel representative could not be reached for comment or to 
confirm the list of songs published on F--kedCompany.com.

The company released a public statement regarding the list, however.

"The American entertainment industry, including music, cinema and television, 
regularly incorporates violence and tragedy in lyrics, plots and storylines," the 
statement reads. "Given the environment, a Clear Channel program director took it upon 
himself to identify a number of songs that certain markets or individuals might find 
insensitive today."

"This is not a mandate nor was the list generated out of corporate radio offices," the 
statement continued. "It was a grassroots effort that was apparently circulated by 
program directors. It's the discretion of each program director and general manager to 
take polls of his or her market and if so for how long."

The following songs were reportedly listed as having "questionable" content:

Drowning Pool "Bodies"
Mudvayne "Death Blooms"
Megadeth "Dread and the Fugitive"
Megadeth "Sweating Bullets"
Saliva "Click Click Boom"
P.O.D. "Boom"
Metallica "Seek and Destroy"
Metallica "Harvester or Sorrow"
Metallica "Enter Sandman"
Metallica "Fade to Black"
All Rage Against The Machine songs
Nine Inch Nails "Head Like a Hole"
Godsmack "Bad Religion"
Tool "Intolerance"
Soundgarden "Blow Up the Outside World"
AC/DC "Shot Down in Flames"
AC/DC "Shoot to Thrill"
AC/DC "Dirty Deeds"
AC/DC "Highway to Hell"
AC/DC "Safe in New York City"
AC/DC "TNT"
AC/DC "Hell's Bells"
Black Sabbath "War Pigs"
Black Sabbath "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath"
Black Sabbath "Suicide Solution"
Dio "Holy Diver"
Steve Miller "Jet Airliner"
Van Halen "Jump"
Queen "Another One Bites the Dust"
Queen "Killer Queen"
Pat Benatar "Hit Me with Your Best Shot"
Pat Benatar "Love is a Battlefield"
Oingo Boingo "Dead Man's Party"
REM "It's the End of the World as We Know It"
Talking Heads "Burning Down the House"
Judas Priest "Some Heads Are Gonna Roll"
Pink Floyd "Run Like Hell"
Pink Floyd "Mother"
Savage Garden "Crash and Burn"
Dave Matthews Band "Crash Into Me"
Bangles "Walk Like an Egyptian"
Pretenders "My City Was Gone"
Alanis Morissette "Ironic"
Barenaked Ladies "Falling for the First Time"
Fuel "Bad Day"
John Parr "St. Elmo's Fire"
Peter Gabriel "When You're Falling"
Kansas "Dust in th

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