Re: [CTRL] 1,600 MPH IS NOT FAST ENOUGH?
-Caveat Lector- An even bigger question is why the fighters were not scrambled from bases which were closest to where the hijacked planes were at the time the fighters were scrambled; specifically regarding the 2 planes that went into the WTC, the fighters were scrambled out of MA -- yet at the time those fighters were taking off from MA, the 2 hijacked planes were almost directly over the Newburgh NY fighter base...why wasn't Newburgh scrambled? Fighters from that base could have reached the 2 hijacked planes within a few minutes -- they could have definitely taken out the 2nd hijacked plane, even if they were too late for the 1st plane... June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: US Demands Israel Explain Puzzling Behavior
-Caveat Lector- On Wed, 19 Sep 2001, William Shannon wrote: Jordanian news is very even handed when it comes to deciding whether a Oh? Sorta' like Israeli news and their coverage of terrorist attacks, murders and other assorted violence against Palestinians? Of course both are slanted, and present their own agendas...which is why we should take articles from EITHER source with a grain of salt, unless what they present can be independently verified elsewhere... June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: US Demands Israel Explain Puzzling Behavior : WasIsraelinvolved in t...
-Caveat Lector- William Shannon wrote: This is Arab propaganda. The sources are out of the Mid East. Shannon has proven himself a liar willing to deceive the whole group to accommodate his Jew hatred. As far as I'm concerned, he has put himself in the same league as Saba. Joshua2 Subject: US Demands Israel Explain Puzzling Behavior : Was Israel involved in the WTC and Pentagon terror attacks? ; http://www.thisiscyberia.com/NewsCenter/article.asp?ID=196628 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 15:03:49 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] US Demands Israel Explain Puzzling Behavior Was Israel involved in the WTC and Pentagon terror attacks? 9/19/01 3:03:49 PM http://www.thisiscyberia.com/NewsCenter/article.asp?ID=196628 Beiruit, Lebanon -- Was Israel involved in the WTC and Pentagon terror attacks? http://www.thisiscyberia.com/NewsCenter/article.asp?ID=196628 Wednesday, September 19, 2001 Mossad planned strike? Several days after the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington DC, reports emerged that some 4,000 Israelis working at the World Trade Center did not show up for work on the day of the aircraft blasts. A Muslim sheikh living in England commenting during a BBC news broadcast added that 40 Jewish Pentagon staff members did not show up for work on 11 September. The sheikh said it would not surprise him if it was discovered that the Mossad (the Israeli secret service) was behind the attacks. Last Saturdays news broadcast on several local television networks - including the National Broadcasting Network (NBN), state-owned Tele-Liban, Hizbullah s Manar TV and Qatars al Jazeera satellite station - reported the same figures during their evening newscasts. No official source of information was mentioned in any of the news briefs, although the networks reported the Israeli secret service warned Israelis to stay away from several sites in the US. Meanwhile, Israeli newspaper the Jerusalem Post reported that Mossad officials traveled to Washington last month to warn the CIA and FBI that there would be a major operation taking place in the US major cities. The Israeli secret service allegedly offered no specific information about the targets but linked the attacks to Osama bin Laden and told the Americans there were strong grounds for suspecting Iraqi involvement, the paper reported. According to media reports, many Israelis worked in the high tech companies and trade agencies in the twin towers. Israeli daily Yediot Ahronot reported that some Israeli companies had offices in the WTC, but Israeli Channel Two television discredited this claim. Thus far, no Israelis have been located among the injured or deceased in any of the New York City hospitals. Israelis warned of attacks? Meanwhile, Arab diplomatic sources revealed to the Jordanian Al Watan newspaper that Israelis remained absent from work that fateful day based on information from the Shabak, the Israeli general security apparatus. According to the newspaper, American officials are requesting an explanation of how the Israeli government learned of the attacks before they occurred and why it refrained from informing the US authorities of the information. Manar TV reported that suspicions increased further after Yediot Ahronot reported the Shabak prevented Premier Ariel Sharon from traveling to New York to participate in a festival organized by Zionist organizations in support of Israel. Israelis arrested for puzzling behavior Meanwhile, five Israelis who had worked for a moving company based in New Jersey, are being held in US prisons for what the FBI described as puzzling behavior following last Tuesdays attacks. The five are expected to be deported soon, reported the Israeli Ha'aretz newspaper. The families of the five, the paper reported, said their sons had been questioned by the FBI for hours on end, kept in solitary confinement for three days, humiliated, stripped of their clothes and blindfolded. When they finally let my son make a phone call to a friend, he told him he had been tortured by the FBI in a basement, the mother of one of the young men told Ha'aretz. He was stripped to his underwear, blindfolded and questioned for 14 hours [on suspicion of] working for the Mossad. Seven FBI agents later stormed the apartment of one of the Israelis, searched it and questioned his roommate. The Israeli owner of the moving company, who is a US citizen, was also questioned. It is not yet clear the extent to which the five detained Israelis are implicated in the attacks and the US maintains that bin Laden is their prime suspect. The US Attorney-General, John Ashcroft, said investigators are following up on 4,700 leads. Libertarian Socialist News Post Office Box 12244 Silver Spring, MD 20908 http://www.overthrow.com (check out
[CTRL] Re [CTRL]. Amazon book recom:/New Weaps
-Caveat Lector- Information Weapons Paul and others on the list ... I just now found this piece, posted in a newsgroup. Our technology is leaping so fast ahead now, that I suspect we all are getting many steps behind in keeping up with our sense of 'what is possible.' R --- -Subject: Information Weapons From: marios [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, Sep 19, 2001 2:25 PM Message-id: 9ob2db$rga$[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.defence.gov.au/aerospacecentre/publish/paper47.htm#H INFORMATION WEAPONS There are several weapons currently available that can negate, destroy or incapacitate information systems, with many more being rapidly developed. Within this paper these are broadly grouped into three main types: High Energy Radio Frequency (HERF) guns, Electro-Magnetic Pulse (EMP), and other information weapons. HERF Guns A HERF Gun is a device that directs high power radio energy at an electronic target. Electronic circuits are vulnerable to overload; a HERF Gun simply overloads particular circuits to disable specific pieces of equipment that are dependent on that circuit. A HERF Gun can be designed to cause varying degrees of damage from simply shutting a system down to physically destroying equipment. Pointed at a computer, a HERF Gun may either permanently or temporarily terminate its operations; a HERF Gun pointed at a 'fly-by-wire' aircraft may trigger a catastrophic failure. Although currently limited in range and destructive capacity, in the near future HERF Guns are likely to be substantially more capable and freely available and therefore must be taken seriously. HERF Guns represent an excellent addition to the offensive military inventory of a nation, and also a significant threat if possessed by an enemy. The defensive measures that can be employed to reduce the risks of HERF attacks are not well developed at this stage, but include using Gaussian shielding, gaseous discharge devices and the maintenance of physical separation. Electro-Magnetic Pulse Electro-Magnetic Pulse (EMP) has been described as 'the next great weapon to evolve in modern warfare'.20 Initially discovered as a side effect of nuclear tests, the phenomenon has now been extended to non-nuclear generators. Such generators can create an EMP which will disable unshielded electronic systems. A development beam generator with a one gigawatt capacity could be used to develop a line of sight EMP which would knock-out most unshielded electronic devices within a radius measurable in tens to hundreds of metres, depending on the employment method. High power microwaves, communications, computers, navigation and data processing systems would be most affected by such weapons. The current limitations of these weapons are power generation and capacitor storage capability,21 but these can be expected to be overcome in the future. Reports indicate that research is well advanced with EMP warheads recently being fitted on USAF air launched cruise missiles.22 EMP weapons are less discriminatory than HERF guns and could be used to shut down a general area rather than a specific system. Again, with the exception of screening techniques such as Gaussian shielding, defensive measures are not common. Other Information Weapons 23 There are several weapons which are currently being developed which do not fit in the HERF or EMP categories. Some already are in service with various military forces, others remain on the drawing board. The following weapons are described in a variety of freely available publications and give an indication of the technologies being developed and the possible capabilities which may result. Low Energy Lasers. These lasers can be used to damage the optical systems of sensors (including data collection devices), thus attacking the information systems at the data collection level. Low energy lasers have already been fitted on rifles and armoured vehicles and were deployed during the Gulf War. A number of systems are reported to be under further development in the US and UK.24 Electrical Power Disruption Technologies. An electric power disruption munition was first used during the Gulf War in 1991. The technology originated after an accident on the US West Coast when chaff cut power supplies to the city of San Diego in 1985. The weapon uses light, conductive, carbon fibres which wrap around transmission lines and distribution points to cause a massive short circuit. Even when power is restored the fibres must be removed because any breeze can result in another short circuit.25 This weapon can be delivered by cruise missiles, as was the case in the Gulf War, or from manned aircraft. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright
Re: [CTRL] The New War-Id Order
And in the instant that he said those words I understood the depths of the danger that we all face, because I understood that this man has a huge messiah complex. Anyone familiar with the books of Washington reporter Ruth Montgomery may remember that she was always asking her "guides" who the antichrist would be. They would not give her a name, but gave other information. If I remember correctly, the anitchrist was said to be at an "eastern university" in the late 60s, would not be well-known early in life and would make a rapid rise to world leadership, uniting the world and defeating the forces of evil. Al Gore, while attending an eastern university, has been in politics since his 20s and ran for president in 1988. Too well-known to fit the description. Now, one would think if things were that controlled the 2000 election would have resulted in a landslide. Instead, the winner needed help from his fascist friends on the U.S. Supreme Court. I guess they don't have as much control as they would like. For the two-thirds of the planet who are non-Christian, the entire scenario may have no religious meaning at all. Does this plan require the "belief" of Earth's people? If so, all we have to do is give up the concept of "belief." But I won't hold my breath on that one; if Reich is correct in his "Mass Psychology of Fascism," these thinking patterns are too deeply-entrenched to be changed easily. But the fact that people's thoughts may be supporting this entire chain of events does not occur to the vast majority of homo sapiens. Reality is changeable at any given moment. But it seems we are getting what (most of us) expect.
[CTRL] [Fwd: Thousands Rally for Peace in Portland, OR]
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Subject: Thousands Rally for Peace in Portland, OR Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 22:18:06 -0500 (CDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: ? To: undisclosed-recipients:; Thousands Rally for Peace in Portland, OR Via NY Transfer News * All the News That Doesn't Fit Thousands Rally for Peace in Portland, Oregon [On Sunday, September 16, there was a massive rally in Portland Oregon. It was seriously under-reported by the mainstream media, who have also failed to cover many other demonstrations around the world against Bush's Crusade of Terror. There have been demonstrations for peace (or against the United States) in Germany, the Philippines, the Dominican Republic, Hong Kong, Tokyo, and El Salvador as well as, unsurprisingly, in Pakistan. In San Salvador, American and Israeli flags were burned over the weekend in a student demonstration. ] source - Red Emma [EMAIL PROTECTED] THOUSANDS march for peace in downtown Portland Many thousands of people gathered on the South Park Blocks Sunday at noon to rally and march for peace. The event, put on by Portland Peaceful Response, had three themes: (1) to mourn the victims of Tuesday's terrorist attack; (2) to speak out against racist scapegoating; and (3) to demand that there be no more violence, including no military retaliation by our government. The crowd was the largest seen at any anti-war demonstration since the Gulf War ten years ago. A count taken at one street corner registered 2,630 people. Estimates of the total number of people ranged from 3,000 to 4,500. Attendees and speakers ran the gamut from members of the local Middle Eastern community, to Native American and Christian spiritual leaders, to teachers and union activists, to long-time peace activists, and many more. We all were very much heartened to see so many of our fellow Portlanders coming out and standing up for peace. As several speakers remarked from the stage, the media accounts saying 85% of Americans support war do not seem so believable now. There was no counter-demonstration, and I personally did not see any harassment or overt hostility from passers-by, although there may have been some. For a fuller account, with pictures, go to www.portland.indymedia.org (give them a few hours to get everything loaded up!) Look for us on tonight's news--just about every local station was there. Listen to KBOO 90.7 FM Monday morning at 7am for audio coverage. If there's nothing about this in Monday's Oregonian, call them up and ask them why. Above all, help spread the word. In this frightening and confusing time, those of us who support peace are not alone! Attendees at the rally signed a letter to President Bush, and were urged to make calls to our representatives in Congress. EVERY ONE of our Oregon congressional representatives voted for Friday's resolution authorizing use of force (basically, a new Gulf of Tonkin resolution authorizing the President to do whatever he wants). But they may change their tunes, if they hear from enough constituents. This could be the beginning of a long war, and it is not too late for our congress to change course and reconsider. We should tell them: NO declaration of war against Afghanistan; the PEOPLE of Afghanistan are not our enemy. The Capitol Switchboard number is 1-888-449-3511 or 202-224-3121. The White House comment line number is 202-456- (not that HE's going to listen, but heck, we can try.) If/when the bombing starts, there is still a standing plan for an emergency protest action: 4-6 pm at Terry Schrunk Plaza (SW 3rd and Madison, across the street from the Federal Building). This will be the DAY OF the bombing, if it starts before 4pm; and the DAY AFTER, if it starts after 4pm. Portland Peaceful Response will continue to coordinate these actions. We can be reached at 503-223-1399 (voice mail) or portland911.tripod.com (website). = NY Transfer News Collective * A Service of Blythe Systems Since 1985 - Information for the Rest of Us 339 Lafayette St., New York, NY 10012 http://www.blythe.org e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] = nytcov-09.19.01-04:25:24-11447 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be
[CTRL] You have already capitulated
I know many people who believe they would die if they had to live without money and/or an automobile. These people long ago became citizens of the New World Order. They are completely brainwashed into thinking the current system is the only one that will support their life. So ask yourself a few questions. Do you use money created from nothing by the NWO planners? If so,you have already capitulated. Doyou have credit cards with available credit, used or unused? If so, you have already capitulated. Doyou buy the Biblical "prophecy" and believe it will be fulfilled?If so,you have already capitulated. Do you still think you live in a democracy, despite overwhelming evidence that the U.S.A. has been a fascist military dictatorship for at least 50 years? If so, you have already capitulated. It is not America that needs to be subdued in order to implement their plans. That was done long ago. No, it is still necessary to eliminate all other currencies and banking systems before the world can be united. For as long as humans believe they need currency to live, controlled by some central authority, there will be no avoiding the New World Order. But then most of us never think about how we would live in the absence of our "god," money.
[CTRL] [Spy News] The Road to Hell: Can the US Go It All Alone? (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 13:10:36 +0200 From: Mario Profaca [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [Spy News] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Spy News] The Road to Hell: Can the US Go It All Alone? The Road to Hell: Can the US Go It All Alone? http://www.mediamonitors.net/isamalkhafaji1.html by Isam al Khafaji Just three months ago I was invited to sit in panel in the annual event of the most influential US- Arab association, the Arab-American Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC). The event took place in a hotel just one metro station after the Pentagon. I was heartened to see a once marginal community being able to gather more than one thousand distinguished Americans of Arab origins and invite so many US senators and politicians, intellectuals, diplomats and journalists. Over three days, we listened to these distinguished guests expressing their concerns over the Islamophobia in the US, the role of the media in accentuating it, and criticizing the US blind support for Israeli occupation, its complicity with and support for Arab tyrants and its continuing sanctions against Iraqi civilians. The images of these -and many other-organizations and individuals who are courageously combating a huge tide of hatred and misinformation about the Middle East have been constantly flashing in my mind over these three painful days. And you hardly need to guess the reasons. Even in the relatively relaxed European place where I reside, the first question that comes from the reporter on the other side of the phone line has typically been (which is what I expect anyway): how do you feel about the Palestinians celebrating the suicide attacks? Then comes the already familiar sequence of questions on Islam, Jihad and democracy. None of them asks you the usual questions addressed to 'civilized' people in such circumstances, whether this tragedy means anything to you as a human being. New York and Washington DC are after all two cities in which I personally lived, taught, lectured, and where I participated in countless conferences and seminars. Over the past week I was thinking of the many, many close friends that I have in both cities. And as we were glued to the TV set, my wife, son and I were reminiscing when only a year ago we were in the WTC and how I jokingly said: how would the security feel if we tell them that we are Iraqis? Well, the joke no more! Just like the millions of Middle Eastern origins living in the West, we are the suspicious people. And I think to myself: have we gone back to square zero once again after all those efforts to pull ourselves and causes a little bit together? On God and the Media: If anything, for the first time in perhaps two decades the cold war discourse on the free world and democratic nations has been refurbished and given a new content. The new content, and here is the important part of it, can only be induced from the equally reinvoked term: the civilized nations. The term does not belong to the cold war jargon. Worse. To the golden age of the colonial era. And now the enmity is not between democratic nations and nations that are forcibly ruled by dictatorships. It is not between political systems. It is between two neatly separated wholes, collectivities, cultures, mentalities: one civilized, the other barbaric. And why not? For a TV viewer whose eyes are gazing on that terrifying scene of planes thrusting inside the viscera of these two elegant two giants, slicing them like pieces of cake and turning them into rubbles, would the word 'uncivilized' be too much? It is not the 'innocent' description that disturbs many people in the entire world and especially Middle Easterners residing in the west or carrying western nationalities, however. Rather it is the implications of such reckless description. The CBS, never known for its 'innocent' description of Middle East events was the one widely popular US network that recurrently showed the footage of a few Palestinians kids and youths rejoicing in the streets of East Jerusalem. And yes, the images were authentic. Not as authentic as the CBS translation, just a few days before the US Black September day, when an interviewed Hamas leader was justifying the Palestinian suicide attacks against Israeli targets. The man was talking in Arabic about freedom, independence, colonialism, and all what you can gather from a 'modernist' national liberation leader. The outright and outrageous translation came as: those who die for god's sake are promised seventy virgins in heaven! But the footage of the joy of these Palestinian kids was authentic, just like Iraqi TV's celebration of the carnage, and Saddam Hussein's declaration that America had gotten what it deserved. But no less authentic was the missing part of the story. The US Counselor in Jerusalem asking his staff to pass to the CNN each and every piece of the thousands and thousands of letters and faxes of condolence sent by
Re: [CTRL] Amazon book recommendations needed
-Caveat Lector- Of course to cover media mind control (mind control in general), new world order, secret societies and mid-eastern history I would always recommend my favorite: David Icke - Children of the Matrix, The Biggest Secret, and ...And the Truth Shall Set You Free. All 3 put together make a great foundation, in which you can then trace all the references from there. chad steingraber video game artist paradigm/infogrames playstation2 - xbox - gamecube -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Paul Reilly Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 9:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Amazon book recommendations needed -Caveat Lector- Can anyone recommend any books available from Amazon, one the following topics Media Mind Control New World Order Weapons of mass distruction Mid-Eastern History Bin Laden CIA : ) Paul A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Amazon book recommendations needed
-Caveat Lector- Thanks for your help : ) Paul Reilly Editor - The Viral Marketing E-Zine http://www.systemsinplace.co.uk/e-zine.html -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chad Steingraber Sent: 20 September 2001 14:43 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Amazon book recommendations needed -Caveat Lector- Of course to cover media mind control (mind control in general), new world order, secret societies and mid-eastern history I would always recommend my favorite: David Icke - Children of the Matrix, The Biggest Secret, and ...And the Truth Shall Set You Free. All 3 put together make a great foundation, in which you can then trace all the references from there. chad steingraber video game artist paradigm/infogrames playstation2 - xbox - gamecube -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Paul Reilly Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 9:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Amazon book recommendations needed -Caveat Lector- Can anyone recommend any books available from Amazon, one the following topics Media Mind Control New World Order Weapons of mass distruction Mid-Eastern History Bin Laden CIA : ) Paul A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. === = Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;A rchives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A === = To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. === = Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;A rchives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A === = To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A
[CTRL] America to Wage War for USSR Inheritance
-Caveat Lector- http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/afghan2.htm === America to Wage War for USSR Inheritance by Anatoli Baranov [posted 20 September 2001] === The world is waiting for the war. There are so many different messages appearing on this subject, it is hard to read them all. It is also hard to say how many people on the planet try to guess what will happen in the nearest future. The sources in the Russian special services are not standing aside in this respect and PRAVDA.Ru has recently touched upon one of them. According to the estimations from this very respectable organization, the USAís incursion into Afghanistan will be carried out taking into consideration the British and Russian experiences. Missiles and bombardment will be used under the old scenario and special military forces will be used as well ñ nothing new... America will increase its military presence along the entire 40th parallel, which is what we can see now in Bosnia, Kosovo, and Macedonia; soon we will also see it in the republics of Georgia, Azerbaijan, Turkmenia, and Uzbekistan. The Injirlik military base, which is deployed in Turkey, will surely be modernized, and this base will become one of the key points of the American presence. The establishment of reserve points on the territory of several countries of the Commonwealth of Independent States will be performed under different forms. However, the mid-Caspian area and Turkmeniaís deposits will be taken under the control of the United States. It should be mentioned that the authorities of Azerbaijan and Georgia republics are in willing contact with NATO and the United States. The republics of Middle Asia are more reserved in their aspiration to change their orientation from Russia to the USA, because these republics are situated far away from the American bases and Russiaís military presence is there. The operation in Afghanistan has the following objective: to make the region closer to the zone of USAís vital interests. To begin with, the American army intends to gain control of the airports and other areas on Turkmenistanís territory (including the former Soviet republic in Termez). It is interesting that America is interested in the former Soviet base Bagram, which is on the territory of Afghanistan. This base is currently under the control of NATO. In addition, the USA is going to bring its influence back into NATO: the tragic and very ìtimelyî Ahmad Shah Masoodís death (Afghan opposition leader). Therefore, Russiaís control over the region of Central Asia is going to fade away. The same thing will happen with its control over the Caucasus. The USA will make the republics of Middle Asia to reconsider the Collective Security Treaty of the CIS and Russian troops will be called back to Russian territory. The United States will gain total control over Central Asia, over the Indian ocean, and the country will be able to efficiently control the processes in Indo-China and Indonesia. This will actually bring about the total control of the United States of America over the Islamic world, since the moves of Iran, Pakistan, and Iraq will depend upon the military presence of the United States. This scenario raises a lot of doubts regarding the versions of the acts of terrorism in New York and Washington, for there is only one country that is gaining absolute and long-term profit out of these acts. However there are doubts about the lack of information of the other members of the western intelligence community regarding the preparation for the terrorist attack. Most likely, such information was available, but all of the special services were blocking it for some reason. In this case, it is absolutely not important who gave the freedom of action to the suicidal terrorists. Slightly abridged from text by Anatoli Baranov PRAVDA.Ru *** Further Reading: ...An argument similar to Mr. Baranov's is made in 'Washington Wants Afghanistan' at http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/afghan.htm 1) Like a man with a guilty conscience, the U.S. government and its NATO allies constantly denounce terror while routinely employing it in international affairs. See for example: 'WASHINGTON: PARENT OF THE TALIBAN AND COLOMBIAN 'DEATH SQUADS' at http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/jared/mis.htm 'WHAT NATO OCCUPATION WOULD MEAN FOR MACEDONIANS' First-hand report of the state of terror instituted when NATO took over Kosovo. Can be read at http://www.emperors-clothes.com/misc/savethe-a.htm ''Five Years On the Lies Continue.' Discussion of the use by the U.S.-sponsored Islamist regime in Sarajevo of systematic terror against Serbian villagers in Bosnia. Can be read at http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/jared/texts.htm 'Meet Mr. Massacre' - Concerning U.S. Balkans envoy William Walker's death squad activities in Latin American. Can be read at http://www.emperors-clothes.com/analysis/meetmr.htm 2) 'Criminal
[CTRL] Fwd: Remember the Truck Driver Who Rammed the Plane in White House?
So the date he stole the plane, was September 11, 1994. The date somehow seems significant. Only report I remembered reading was, a truck driver stole an airplane. If this story is accurate the date of September 11 could be significant; in paraticular, if we ae dealing with kamikaze pilot? Clinton was not home that day. The kamikazes who brought down the Twin Towers, as they are being called - taell me did they ever call the Empire State Building a towerwe find celluar phones now can be tracked to planes in which calls are being made - but it does seem too many people knew about something to happen - and in this old story re the truck driver who flew into the White House - well a young kid with a load of fertilizer, drove a rented truck to another landmark with ease And these men were our own - trained by US Government - kamikaze kids and I can see the movie already being planned however, what is strange Hollywood has already done it before. Music and all. So there is nothing new under the rising sun - movies made showing the buildings in Washington DC being blown to hell and back - planting the images preparing us for the kill.only fortunately nobody home those days. Was remembering in Columbus once when a big plane coming in from Washington Crashed enroute to our fair city - on this plane weekends you would find our two US Congressmen, one of which was former FBI agent and a patriot without a doubt WTVN, an ABC affiliate broke in to report nobody important was on this plane..oh so true, but this was more than a psychological slip..as Joe Lieberman said hey we are okay, we will be at work tonight, we are okay..had to be reminded well there were 10,000 who were not okay, Mr. Lieberman. And for how many years has the KGB been sitting in our FBI buying information on underground tunnels with their Agent sitting in with Louis Freeh? But like phoney prophets hey - they warn us when the big one is to hit - right? Years ago, Jean Dixon, a creature proclaimed to be divine prophetess by Ruth Montgomery - she too would predict these terrible things by divine relation but the target - the Kennedy famly - JFK, RFK, and even that poor Teddy who turned to alcohol in grief..none dated call it propaganda - but I did for I nailed that old bat for soothsaying with liciense and kept her out of our turn for over 10 years..dragon seeds of hatred planted for long term goals. Our music and movies and TV has been painting terrible pictures for a long long time - and as Habakkuk said (once there was an intelligence program called Operation Habakkuk) as this minor prophet or political propagandist said - WRITE the vision upon the tablets so that he that readeth it might run..for it is set for an appointed time and though it tarry well it will be, and then picture Sirhan writing over and over again in a hypnotized state using dark mirrors - RFK must die, RFK must die.he believed he could hit his targetanother kamikaze kid into Rosicrucian and also in with organized crime All these killers have the same teacher.check out guerilla training on web and see how the machurian candidates are to appear normal, join local groups.and maybe then with a snap of a finger - they activate. A Crusade? Stealth bombers and landmarks a bunch of rocks and a wasteland - for what Russia did not acomplish, we will - find Osama bin Laden but tell me, for whom does this notorious drug dealer work? Like Larry Flynt one day tried to set up his own operation as he had become big time in with President Carterand poof - he was dead for a few minutes - and is still just another lacky for the mob. Consider Larry Flynt played Kamikazi kid for he had dynamite placed under his wheelchair and was going to blow up the Supreme Court ..Gordon Novel, saved the Court that day by removing same - so you see what Flynt, the Smut Peddlar is really like? Birds of feathers...all red ... Saba TIME Domestic September 26, 1994 Volume 144, No. 13 Return to Contents page THE WHITE HOUSE FLIGHT OF THE INTRUDER A disturbed man's crash on the South Lawn exposes the White House's vulnerability to sneak air attacks BY MICHAEL DUFFY/WASHINGTON With reporting by Nina Burleigh/Aberdeen and Hugh Sidey/Washington Frank Eugene Corder seemed to know exactly how he wanted to die. Sometime before midnight on Sept. 11, he stole a single-engine plane from an airport north of Baltimore headed south to Washington, flew over the National Zoological Park and down to the Mall, probably using the Washington Monument as a beacon. As he neared the famed obelisk, he banked a tight U-turn over the Ellipse, came in low over the White House South Lawn, clipped a hedge, skidded across the green lawn that girds the South Portico and crashed into a wall two stories below the presidential bedroom. Corder was killed on impact. The scare was barely lessened by the fact that the Clintons had
Re: [CTRL] Amazon book recommendations needed
-Caveat Lector- Thanks for all your help, now, I need reviews of the following books, as I don't have time to read them all right now. Feel free to add any other reviews and books you feel appropriate. : ) Paul David Icke - Children of the Matrix The Biggest Secret ...And the Truth Shall Set You Free Noam Chomsky - New World Order: Fateful Triangle Wilson Bryan Key's - The Age of Manipulation: The Con in confidence, the Sin in Sincere Jim Keith's - Mass Control: Engineering Human Consciousness A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] America to Wage War for USSR Inheritance
-Caveat Lector- Where are they going to get the manpower to do all this stuff? These days only the poor seem to go into the service - the kids without financial backing who might want to go to college. Years ago and I do not remember all involved here, but I remember writing my old friend at Melbourne Beach saying see how the Russians pulled this off - those tanks were pointed one way and suddenly, do complete turn about and go other direction into Afghanistan? They were there to protect something .so now it is our turn to play Bad Guy with A Cause? The is land of would be Zion Kings? Has it come to this? All the killers turned loose have had many things in common - they were the enemy from within. This bible crap is disgusting - but this is the Master Plan being used - Always liked the name of my old manuscript which was too hot to handle - Premeditated Murder by Prophecy - the Valley of Hamon Gog... Ruth Montgomery by the way this name came up on list earlier - Jean Dixon and Ruth Montgomery were dear dear friends and Montomery helped create this political propagandisteach adorned the other with so many - well Jean was given her first halo by Montgomery - for Jean had scored 2 big hits by prophecy - you know, creating the scenario in advance - but then that's Hollywood, isn't it. Saba A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Amazon book recommendations needed
-Caveat Lector- Best book you can get now might be Kris' book Barry and the Boysthey think it snowed in Saudi Arabia, you must get a load of these guys - my son borrowed this book and he has not returned it yet .. Would like to know what you think of this book too... A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 1,600 MPH IS NOT FAST ENOUGH?
-Caveat Lector- Until a plane had crashed into the WTC - every hijacked jet in history had negotiated with hostages. No one thought that these were bombs - people still had hope of rescuing the passengers -- -- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - - - -- -- - -- - We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. We must remember always that accusation is not proof and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. Edward R. Murrow NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: RevCOAL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 06:23:13 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] 1,600 MPH IS NOT FAST ENOUGH? -Caveat Lector- An even bigger question is why the fighters were not scrambled from bases which were closest to where the hijacked planes were at the time the fighters were scrambled; specifically regarding the 2 planes that went into the WTC, the fighters were scrambled out of MA -- yet at the time those fighters were taking off from MA, the 2 hijacked planes were almost directly over the Newburgh NY fighter base...why wasn't Newburgh scrambled? Fighters from that base could have reached the 2 hijacked planes within a few minutes -- they could have definitely taken out the 2nd hijacked plane, even if they were too late for the 1st plane... June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance?not soap-boxing?please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'?with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds?is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: It was planned by microsoft . . .
In a message dated 9/20/01 1:20:39 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Q33NY Now try this okay and see what you get. Type in capitals in word on a new clean page. The following: Q33NY Highlight it, bold it, then make it 26 font windings. And see what you get.
Re: [CTRL] The New War-Id Order
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/20/01 4:31:12 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If I remember correctly, the anitchrist was said to be at an eastern university in the late 60s, would not be well-known early in life and would make a rapid rise to world leadership, uniting the world and defeating the forces of evil. Well, Boy George went to Yale in the late sixties and you know its real funny, but when his name was first being floated for prexy a cuople of years ago, there was virtually nothng on the net. My piece on Skull and Bones would always be on the first page sometimes in the first position in search engines. It has been buries since. Om K A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Fw: Big Brother The WTC Attack presents The Perfect Excuse to Mandate Smart Cards
- Original Message - From: Editor To: Recipient List Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 9:59 PM Subject: Big Brother The WTC Attack presents The Perfect Excuse to Mandate Smart Cards Big Brother The WTC Attackpresents The Perfect Excuse to Mandate Smart Cards [Editor's Note: For those hypnotized Americans who are waving flags, singing songs, donating blood, and otherwise anxious to kick ass, here's the reality of where you're being lead-down the Primrose Path, towards slavery and misery. Welcome to the Brave New World of the Illuminated Bush Adminsitration... Ken Adachi] Experts See A High-Security America Of Surveillance Seizures By William Glaberson, New York Times Service http://educate-yourself.org/wtcexcuseforsmartcards19sep01.html Sept. 19, 2001 NEW YORK Security experts in the United States are describing a new kind of country that could emerge, where electronic identification might become the norm, immigrants might be tracked far more closely and the airspace over cities like New York and Washington might be off-limits to all civilian aircraft. Attorney General John Ashcroft outlined several proposals Monday, saying, "We should strengthen our laws to increase the ability of the Department of Justice and its component agencies to identify, prevent and punish terrorism." The proposals he described included measures that would give law enforcement officials expanded electronic surveillance powers and new powers to seize the assets of suspected terrorists. Since the attacks, Congress has been acting on proposals to make wiretapping of computers easier, and a flood of measures is expected that will loosen restrictions on what effectively is domestic spying. Legal experts say that the courts are unlikely to impose many restrictions on Congress's security decisions. As a result, they say, the country can adopt security measures as stringent as its people will tolerate politically or will support financially. Experts say that technology has presented almost limitless possibilities. "Each American could be given a 'smart card,' so, as they go into an airport or anywhere, we know exactly who they are," said Michael Cherkasky, president of Kroll Inc. consultants. "The technology is here," Mr. Cherkasky said, noting that it can be readily expanded. Such cards, with computer chips, would have detailed information about their owners and leave a computer record when they are used. The cards could be coordinated with fingerprints or, in a few years, facial characteristics, and be programmed to permit or to limit access to areas or entire buildings. They could track someone's location, financial transactions, criminal history and even driving speed on a particular highway on a given night. Critics said that electronic identification cards, combined with other measures, could usher in an era of surveillance and suspicion. And civil libertarians note that an anxious public may be willing to trade freedoms for greater safety in the aftermath of the attacks last week. It is not clear, said Bruce Ackerman, a law professor at Yale University, whether that acceptance will continue if people are discomforted. "It is a profound affront to be metered and measured," he said. "And that is, I think, the debate of the future." Legal experts said the civil libertarians will find little sympathy in the courts. In World War II, they noted, the Supreme Court approved the internment of Japanese-Americans, a decision that constitutional scholars now widely consider to have been wrong. "If history suggests anything," said David Strauss, a law professor at the University of Chicago, "it suggests the courts will allow the government to get away with a lot. "Not quite everything, but a lot more than you would expect." In interviews, experts on security and terrorism outlined some choices. Immigration could be more sharply controlled, with some immigrants required to report periodically on their activities. Video surveillance, already growing, could be sharply increased in stores, offices and public places and at public events. Law enforcement officials could expand the use of personality profiles, possibly including racial descriptions, to identify potential terrorists. Terry F. Lenzner, chairman of Investigative Group International, a corporate security concern, said that, if the flow of money was being monitored before the attacks last week, authorities might have realized that people were receiving money from Osama bin Laden or other terrorists. Airport security is likely to be just one area for debate. Armed sky marshals, stronger cockpit doors and new technology for luggage searches are likely to be accepted widely. But some experts suggested that the country could also adopt a system like Israel's, where security people often interrogate passengers about their travel plans and
[CTRL] The Split Second Error The Plot within a Plot....within a plot....within a plot........within a plot......
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.eionews.com/psyops/plot_within_a_plot_part1.htm Click Here: A HREF=http://www.eionews.com/psyops/plot_within_a_plot_part1.htm; http://www.eionews.com/ _within_a_plot_part1.htm/A - PsyOp: Pych-war operation staged to alter perceptions more HomepageLOADING. . .graphics... PART I PART II coming... PART III The Split Second Error Bombs in the WTC The Plot within a Plotwithin a plotwithin a plotwithin a plot.. THE SPLIT-SECOND ERROR ...EXPOSING THE WTC BOMB PLOT... by Fintan Dunne, coEditor, PsyOpNews.com Research Kathy McMahon 18 September 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] VIDEO Windows Mpeg THE HIJACK PILOT'S SPLIT SECOND ERROR 14 mins @ 56K IT WAS DESIGNED FOR A PLANE IMPACT Aaron Swirski, one of the architects of the World Trade Center, talks exclusively to Jerusalem Post Radio on the World Trade Center collapse. He says they designed the towers to withstand something like a plane flying into the side. For interview, Media Player JpRadio item ...Now working. 12th September, 2001 EXPLOSIVES EXPERT SAYS WTC WAS BOMBED Towers collapse too methodical CHARGES PLANTED TO TAKE DOWN BUILDING Van Romero, vice president for research at New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology says the collapse of the twin towers resembled those of controlled implosions used in planned demolition. My opinion is, based on the videotapes, that after the airplanes hit the World Trade Center there were some explosive devices inside the buildings that caused the towers to collapse, Romero said. A demolition expert, Romero is a former director of the Energetic Materials Research and Testing Center at Tech, which studies explosive materials and the effects of explosions on buildings, aircraft and other structures. He said he and Denny Peterson, vice president for administration and finance, were en route to an office building near the Pentagon to discuss defense-funded research programs at Tech. Romero told the Albequerque Journal that he based his opinion on video aired on national television broadcasts. The detonations could have been caused by a small amount of explosive put in more than two points in each of the towers, he said. It could have been a relatively small amount of explosives placed in strategic points, Romero said. BUILDING COLLAPSE SHOCKS WORLD TRADE CENTER ENGINEER, ARCHITECT I DESIGNED IT FOR A 707 HIT DETROIT, Sept. 11 (UPI) -- Lee Robertson, the project's structural engineer, addressed the problem of terrorism on high-rises at a conference in Frankfurt, Germany, LAST WEEK (!!!), Chicago engineer Joseph Burns told the Chicago Tribune. Burns said Robertson told the conference, I designed it for a (Boeing)707 to hit it. UPI REPORT DETROIT, Sept. 11 (UPI) -- A lead engineer who worked on New York's World Trade Center Towers expressed shock Tuesday that the 110-story lanmarks in Lower Manhattan collapsed after each tower was struck by a hijacked passenger jetliner. The determined man at the controls of Flight 175 was now less than one minute from his own demise, and was in that state of heightened alertness that only approaching death can generate. Ahead, as he hurtled across New York towards Manhattan Island, he could see the vast plume of smoke (1). His colleague in Flight 11, approaching from the opposite direction had already made an almost perfect impact on the North Tower of the World Trade Center. On the far side of the tower, concealed from his view, was the gash (2) where the hijacked airliner had spread its fuel payload over several floors of the building. Just as the trainers had coached. But the sight still managed to unnerve him. It was one thing practicing the approach for countless hours on a computer simulator, but this was real life -and no mistake could be made. The planners had insisted that the planes must strike the towers at a banked angle. Otherwise the fire would be confined to only a couple of floors and would not set the building comprehensively alight. Without perfect execution, the imperialists would only suffer minor casualties, he had been told. What they never told him was that the aircraft impacts were only one half of the plan. One visible and psychologically terrorizing aspect would be provided by the suicidal aircraft. But the other half of the plan was unknown to the two pilots and their accomplices. Bombs had already been planted inside both towers. They would be detonated after the planes had struck, to ensure the total destruction of the buildings and their evidentiary contents. The bombs inside the towers were strapped to radio-trigger detonators. Other plotters would be near the scene -monitoring TV coverage to determine the right moment to push the final buttons. The full PsyOps (psychological-warfare) effect would be the complete disappearance of these two symbols of US confidence and power. But if the plane struck at the wrong angle, or even worse -missed altogether,
[CTRL] Plunging DOW
-Caveat Lector- Wow, have a look at http://www.bloomberg.com/ Every time the screen refreshes, the DOW is down another few points. On the surface, this looks like a blow to corporate America, but one recalls that the crash of 1929 was in large part engineered by financial and industrial interests who were able to step in at the bottom and buy everything up very cheaply. Anybody got a favourite link on that topic, BTW? If all of this is part of a longterm plan which includes occupying Afghanistan and some of its neighbours to secure Middle eastern oil, one can imagine these recent crashes to appear to some a small price to pay to consolidate hegemeny, and that in the long run corporate stocks will be worth even more, especially if bought at bargain basement prices... One wonders if the mysterious shortselling preceding the WTC attacks is exclusively traceable to Bin Laden... A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: chomsky article on bombing is here, much more
http://www.counterpunch.org/ article on barbara lee, only member of congress to vote against war.
[CTRL] Follow the money
-Caveat Lector- Follow the money!! That is, the most important aspect of most going's on. The Taliban do not want to co-operate with the West. The G7 players see over a trillion dollars worth of oil in Iran and they have wanted to build a pipeline (for over 10 years) from Iran through Afghanistan into India to supply the SE Asian market. History has a tendency to eventually bring forth the truth. The WTC and 5000 lives is nothing to these people when your talking over a trillion dollars, remember FDR and his select few knew that the Japenese were going to attack Pearl Harbor and they did nothing to prevent the sacrifice of 2500 lives for there higher cause of entering the war in Europe. Look at Europe now its been united under the socialist banner by a complacent society redoing that which Hitler accomplished by force. This B...S..t war that Bush is getting us into is just for the oil pipeline and nothing else. We still bomb Iraq on a monthly basis just because Mr. Hussien doesn't want to play ball with the G7's ball. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Amazon book recommendations needed
-Caveat Lector- Two books that fit a combination of these categories, and which may be quite relevant to last week's events, are recently published books on black ops experiments on children to create mind controlled assassins. One is available at amazon.com and one is available directly from the publisher: Secret Weapons : Two Sisters' Terrifying True Story of Sex, Spies and Sabotage by Cheryl Hersha, Lynn Hersha, Dale Griffis, Ted Schwarz List Price: $25.95 Our Price: $18.16 You Save: $7.79 (30%) http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0882821962/qid=1001000736/sr=2-2/ref=sr _2_7_2/002-8264579-6256057 A Nation Betrayed : The Chilling True Story of Secret Cold War Experiments Performed on our Children by Carol Rutz (http://my.dmci.net/~casey/) Publication Date: July 2001 Retail Price: $19.95 U.S. $15.95 from Fidelity Publishing P.O. Box 365 Grass Lake, MI 49240-0365 Size: 5 ½ x 8 ½ 262 pages Trade Paperback Author: Rutz, Carol ISBN: 0-9710102-0-X -- A Nation Betrayed is the best book I've ever read on this subject - the documentation is incredible. Chapter 6, Dr. Black gives evidence that the monster known by many survivors by that name was actually Dr. Josef Mengele. The book is worth the purchase just for that chapter alone. The first half of the book is the author's story mixed-in with documentation, and the second half is full of references, including recently declassified CIA documents. Samantha message dated 9/19/01 9:37:29 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can anyone recommend any books available from Amazon, one the following topics Media Mind Control New World Order Weapons of mass distruction Mid-Eastern History Bin Laden CIA A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Follow the money
-Caveat Lector- Theodor while you are here - you referred to Pearl Harbor, which I call the Pearl of Great Price - and this so called sneak attack of Pearl Harbor... I am speaking of symbolism, and code and Japanese had masonic orders and Kamikaze of course their most feared weapon. Now my bible calendar I am convinced was keyed to attack at Pearl Harbor. Watchword Bible calendar code, keyed to murder and sabitage, etc., and now two forces using this but maybe only one element in the background - faces are veiled for we cannot see the face of the enemy - like God is said to show his face, well to whom ..yet to some, he states you may see my behind, but not my face which sounds almost masonic - well it is. But whose order? Now this last Chapter in bible note the word slept - now JFK a Naval Officer wrote the book While England Slept and i would be interesting today to see what he would have written about the Tall Towers.or would this have happened on his watch? For the watchman slept ...when the fiery flying serpents raged a fiery war on the tall towers. Now looking for watchwords, or key words at the very beginning it is the first day of the week at dawn..well, it was a Sunday and to me this is the first day of the week..and it was dawn at Pearl Harbor - the Pearl of great price. On this one bible I have at the top a sub title which calls this chapter of Mathew The Rising Son.. So we have symbolism again here and I might add the day of bombings in Isaiah 29 and 30 you find the rising sun symbolism So code words and again I do not remember that moutain but the attack Pearl Harbor words were Climb Mt and we lost a friend of the famly on the Arizonajust a kid who happened to be in the engine room I guess they called it. So we have with this calendar I have, found in the back of this 1954 Gideon Bible a code - and the Nazis at Spandau had such a code (the Baron) taken away by the Russian Guard - said it was coded so they know what it is all about. Key locations from Solomon Islands, to Damacus (and we have Damascus in USA too).this bible calendar code was used during the Civil War and is linked to death of more than one President. The paper trail in the bible is more conclusive than the body bag trails left by another NWO CFR Rhodes Scholar, like a Clinton. Chapter and verse - they can quote you chapter and verse...how often you hear this remark - Oh the days are evil alright, and the last think we need is a Snoopy playing War Games with the Red Barons of the World, in the White House.and when I say Red Barons, used your imagination again? I reproduce this verse for your thoughtsand imagine the sub title of the Chapter at the top called The Rising Sun. Consider too, this kamikaze stuff - and Japan the market falling on its ass as we opened the doors to Indonesia (lots of gold) and to China (lots of everything) and let Japan our friend who murdered many at Pearl Harbor - left them holding the Judas bag? So oriental minds involved here - doomsdayers, maybe in collusion with something else - things we see only in the dark side of our souls as abstract art and abstract music plays on.Rubyait by Omar Kayaim like a Hitchcock movie where the creator often appeared in a sceneI see the works of ancient Persian oriental minds their tactics being used by others. So Remember Pear Harbor? We were just being taught to forget, remember? Maybe the flower code plays here too - Forget Me Nots - with red roses being made white - Saba (Sub title The Rising Son - and I still have picture of WWII War Ace Frank Webb with 9 rising son emblems on his plane as he sat in cockpit laughing - for he had downed 9 ...he dated my older sister Bible, King James. Matthew, from The holy Bible, King James version Electronic Text Center, University of Virginia Library | Table of Contents for this work | | All on-line databases | Etext Center Homepage | Compare with Revised Standard Version: Matt.28 [First Day of Week - time zones? Attack was at dawn in what time zone - to some Saturday is sabbath and Sunday sabbath to others - the Lazarath CFR bunch of Federated Stores used to close Sundays and remain open on Saturdays ] 1: In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre. 2: And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it. 3: His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow: 4: And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men. 5: And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified. [symbolism of rising sun] 6: He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay. [symbolism here of Rising Sun] 7: And go
[CTRL] Fwd: EmergencyNet News; Daily News Summary
Good site but they sell a lot of books - the Osama bin Laden page is overdone wth all the alleged stuff - but with regard to USS Cole - someone was given the impression Osama was behind this. Might do well to consider the Egyptian Jew connection - especially when considering Thothmosis II returning from Edwards AFB - this pilot alleged to have suicided. Mossad trained Egyptian Jews to be - well like Gideon - to do as told, not to question - blindly obey .for there is not to question why, but there is to do or die. This site is somewhat overdone but they sell books, many books - for this is a money making venture? Note the story on Jihadismand Gideon Rose, is the source. Saba http://www.emergency.com/ennday.htm
Re: [CTRL] The New War-Id Order
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/19/01 8:59:47 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 8) It reminds me that one of the techniques the CIA-mind controllers used in the MK-Ultra mind control program was called psychic driving. It turns out that if you induce massive emotional trauma into the human psyche that it makes it highly suggestible and mentally programmable. That is, you shatter the normal psyche with emotional trauma and while it is in a vulnerable, shattered condition you insert the new mental program you want the person to embody and carry out. When the psyche recovers from the trauma, when the psyche establishes a new emotional equilibrium, it is, however, radically changed: it has incorporated the new thoughts, the new way of thinking and acting that the mind controller resented to it when it was shattered. When it reconstitutes itself it incorporates the mind control program as part of its emotional/psychological/mental constitution. I suggest that we are seeing a massive mind control operation to insert a WAR program into the hearts and souls of Americans and as much of the rest of the world as possible. THINK. I concur with this entirely. The biggest media pushes for changes (such as giving up civil liberties, more funding for the CIA, promises of retaliation, etc.) occurred within a few hours of the attack. James Baker was readily available with blame for the Church Committee and suggestions for untying the hands of the CIA entirely. The reactions were too pat and too quick for any of this to have been a surprise to these people, IMO. The boldest suggestions were made while the entire country was in deep shock. The black op'ers have allegedly taken their knowledge of mind control and executed it on a grand scale - a macrocosm of what is done to MK Ultra victims individually. Create trauma to put a person in an altered state of awareness and insert new commands. Sauder makes a brilliant comparison. Thanks for sending this. Samantha A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: FIRST WAR OF THE 21ST CENTURY
-Caveat Lector- Krasnaya Zvezda September 18, 2001 FIRST WAR OF THE 21ST CENTURY The United States is not ready to fight internationl terrorism The US government is drawing the wrong conclusions from this tragedy Author: Yuri Pankov [from WPS Monitoring Agency, www.wps.ru/e_index.html] RELYING ON ITS NATO ALLIES, THE UNITED STATES HOPES TO BE ABLE TO DEFEAT TERRORISM ALL ON ITS OWN. LIKEWISE, IT HOPES TO CREATE A WORLD TO SUIT ITSELF. WASHINGTON STILL HOPES TO BE ABLE TO TAME TERRORISTS AND USE THEM IN FUTURE AGAINST ITS REAL OR IMAGINED ENEMIES. Several years ago, analysts began to note an increase in the numbers of terrorist groups, their size, development of military power, and more extensive contacts between them. These assumptions were subsequently confirmed when Arab instructors were found to be working with guerrilla detachments in Chechnya, and Chechen mercenaries in Kosovo; when the flows of money circulating in the world of international terrorism were uncovered. Washington and some Western capitals apparently drew inadequate conclusions at the time, resolving to use the factor of terrorism to promote their own goals. First Kosovo and then Macedonia were chosen for implementation of the Western theory of controlled terrorism. Terrorists received moral and material support in both cases. Albanian terrorist organizations in Yugoslavia even coordinated their actions with NATO aviation. Russia found itself under unprecedented pressure because of the counter-terrorist operation in Chechnya. Emissaries of Chechen guerrillas were received in Washington and European capitals, while Moscow was threatened with international sanctions. The West was even suspected of manipulating the Taliban in order to undermine what stability there was on the southern borders of Russia and the CIS. It soon became clear that there could be no such thing as controlled terrorism. As soon as terrorists spread their wings, they turn against their former patrons. It happened in Kosovo, and something similar is now happening in Macedonia. What happened in the United States last week is best described by the relatively new term terrorist attack. Some analysts don't rule out the possibility that the terrorist attacks in New York City and Washington are just the start of a bona fide terrorist war against the United States. The US Administration is also talking about a war nowadays. However, judging by Washington's intention to use bombs against terrorists, it appears that the United States doesn't understand what kind of war this is going to be. Analysts, including American analysts, say traditional weapons and methods typical of conflicts of another generation cannot be effective against large-scale terrorism. All too frequently, criminal infrastructures cannot be destroyed by our high-precision weapons systems, said General Wayne A. Downing of the US special forces, long before the events of September 11. As a rule, these gangs don't have fixed locations and the criminals live in densely-populated areas under the guise of ordinary citizens. It is there that they hide weapons and ammunition. The use of high-precision weapons systems will only result in numerous civilian casualties, while the criminals will not be affected. Downing was referring to Israel. Short of personnel, Israel could not maintain effective control over the security zone in southern Lebanon, from which Hezbollah was launching missiles. In desperation, Israel opted to try high-precision weapons systems. The results are well known: numerous casualties among noncombatants and condemnation of Israel by the international community. The terrorists received further confirmation of their own immunity. If the United States now follows suit, the international support it presently has will soon fade. Much will be recalled: Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Vietnam, Iraq, Yugoslavia... The air strikes against Yugoslavia showed that civilians die under such attacks, while regular troops even retain their military hardware, virtually untouched. Small gangs and bases in Afghanistan would be even more difficult targets... On the other hand, in declaring war on international terrorism, the United States should be prepared to effectively defend its own territory. Specially-trained armed forces are needed to do so. In the United States, this is the job of the National Guard. It is uncertain as yet whether the National Guard will be adequate against large armed formations, or whether it can be relied on to maintain security for the nation and strategic sites. Particularly problematic is the security of American companies and embassies in other regions of the world, and the security of Washington's NATO allies in Europe. War against terrorism on the global scale is primarily about politics. This is what Washington needs to think about seriously - the Washington
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: It was planned by microsoft . . .
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/20/01 9:37:51 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now try this okay and see what you get. Type in capitals in word on a new clean page. The following: Q33NY Highlight it, bold it, then make it 26 font windings. And see what you get. Okay, it's spooky, but what is the significance of Q33 to begin with? What made the person type in those characters? Samantha A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] more follow the money .........
-Caveat Lector- CTRLers, I don't buy the bible code stuff or similar as contributing to any explanatory efforts 'after the event' (and where were the psychic's published predictions ?). NWO drive or no, one fruitful avenue of research might 'well' be to follow the lines of more 'acceptable' underground activity. At least the real underground has real physical substance and certainly not only gas and hot air (tho' there's plenty of that down there too). Along with some folks desire either 'possess' (for sale/investment) or gain access (to use/transmute) oil, gas, diamonds, gold, uranium etc.., and with a little thought, I would suggest that there are many known and unknown 'underground organisations' concerned about the business of the planet just now. Or should we be better mining our own business ? (No customers, no business). Maybe one's not knowing the detailed 'ins-and-outs' surrounding this underground business is what leads many to being so surprised at the thoughts and actions of those living above the ground, .. . that others dig under. Thinks ? Cheers, TD. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Split Second Error The Plot within a Plot....within a plot.......
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/20/01 9:57:20 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The aircraft had impacted near the corner of the building. Within fractions of a second the already igniting fuel had raced diagonally across the corner to burst out into the open air again, on the adjacent side of the Second Tower. Photos even show a smoking engine which shot out as it had not even been slowed by the building interior (10). This article is fascinating and makes good points, however according to the photo(s) the 2nd plane did not just hit the corner of the building. See Figure 2 at http://www.eionews.com/psyops/plot_within_a_plot_part1.htm and compare it to photo 7 (enlarged.) Photo 7 shows the plane hit to the left of center, going toward the right. Figure 2 is incorrect, showing that the plane hit the right side of the building on the outer edge. The plane sliced through more than half of the width of the building. Samantha A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] . . . quickly made the White House into the chief flapdoodle factory in the nation . . .
-Caveat Lector- Click Here: A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/MilleganStews/flapdoodlefactory.html;flapdoodle factory in the nation . . ./A - Millegan Stews 9/20/01 . . . quickly made the White House into the chief flapdoodle factory in the nation . . . An excerpt from: America in Crisis Daniel Aaron editor Alfred Knopf ©1952 The primary significance of the war for the psychic economy of the nineties was that it served as an outlet for aggressive impulses while presenting itself, quite truthfully, as an idealistic and humanitarian crusade. The American public was not interested in the material gains of an intervention in Cuba. It never dreamed that the war would lead to the taking of the Philippines. Starting a war for a high-minded and altruistic purpose and then transmuting it into a war for annexation was unthinkable; it would be, as McKinley put it in a phrase that later came back to haunt him, criminal aggression. . . . The dynamic element in the movement for imperialism was a small group of politicians, intellectuals, and publicists, including Senator Henry Cabot Lodge, Theodore Roosevelt, John Hay, Senator Albert J. Beveridge, Whitelaw Reid, editor of the New York Tribune, Albert Shaw, editor of the Review of Reviews, Walter Hines Page, editor of the Atlantic Monthly, and Henry and Brooks Adams. They were much concerned that the United States expand its army and particularly its navy; that it dig an isthmian canal; that it acquire the naval bases and colonies in the Caribbean and the Pacific necessary to protect such a canal; that it annex Hawaii and Samoa. At their most aggressive, they also called for the annexation of Canada, . . . The central figure in this group was Theodore Roosevelt, who more than any other single man was responsible for our entry into the Philippines. Throughout the 1890's Roosevelt had been eager for a war, whether it be with Chile, Spain, or England. A war with Spain, he felt, would get us a proper navy and a good system of coast defenses, would free Cuba from Spain, and would help to free America from European domination, would give our people ... something to think of that isn't material gain, and would try both the army and navy in actual practice. Roosevelt feared that the United States would grow heedless of its defense, take insufficient care to develop its power, and become an easy prey for any people which still retained those most valuable of all qualities, the soldierly vir-tues ... .. All the great masterful races have been fighting races, he argued. There were higher virtues than those of peace and material comfort. No triumph of peace is quite so great as the supreme tri-umphs of war. Such was the philosophy of the man who secured Commodore Dewey's appointment to the Far Eastern Squadron and alerted him before the actual outbreak of hostilities to be pre-pared to engage the Spanish fleet at Manila. Our first step into the Philippines presented itself to us as a defensive measure. Dewey's attack on the Spanish fleet in Manila Bay was made on the assumption that the Spanish fleet, if unmolested, might cross the Pacific and bombard the West Coast cities of the United States. I do not know whether American officialdom was aware that this fleet was so decrepit that it could hardly have gasped its way across the ocean. Next, Dewey's fleet seemed in danger unless its security were underwritten by the dispatch of American troops to Manila. To be sure, having accomplished his mission, Dewey could have removed this danger simply by leaving Manila Bay. However, in war one is always tempted to hold whatever gains have been made, and at Dewey's request American troops were dispatched very promptly after the victory and arrived at Manila in July 1898. Thus our second step into the Philippines was again a defensive measure. The third step was the so-called capture of Manila, which was actually carried out in cooperation with the Spaniards, who were allowed to make a token resistance, . . an excerpt from: The Age of Excess Ray GingerG1965 MacMillian During the campaign [1896 Presidential] the monetary issues pushed foreign policy into the shade, but the Republican platform did call for continued enlargement of the Navy, and the triumphant party did contain most of the vociferous expansionists in the country. Also it brought in as Chief Executive a man who had few ideas, read no books, never publicly disputed the word of any American except for a few jibes at Democrats, and could be easily pushed. William McKinley and Mark Hanna in 1894 went to their first football game: Yale vs. Princeton. There Hanna overheard a question about his companion: Who is that distinguished-looking manthe one that looks like Napoleon? Perhaps never were appearances more misleading. Joseph Cannon once remarked that McKinley kept his ear so close to the ground that he got it full of grasshoppers. But the overheard question does point to a significant craze of the depression yearsa
[CTRL] Hello Tony
I say Tony, had to look you up for this one old bible I have dating back to early 1800 period, think 1830 - has names of family and etc, and the last name is same as yours.got any Donahey and Welsh and Warfields and Nevilles or Fitzgeralds in the family. Had to look you up when I saw this name; very interesting item re your background but that haircut went out with the Beattles? To each 'is own Tony, for it does look nice. So what is this field about in which you are now engaged - sounds very interesting. Now if I did not know better I would say you knew more about the bible calendar than I do. Could be wrong here but I wonder. So Cheers...and On with the Crusades. Saba http://eye-hand.wustl.edu/lab/people/dickinson.html
[CTRL] What we got here, the music makers?
Tony, you are a live one and I have written more words to the Beverly Hillbillies than you could ever imagine and at the time I did it on government computer. So this guy - what you running there an Animal House.how many names do you use on list. So this little fellow one of your associates has a great sense of humor and as do I, likes to say it with words and music Great site Tony.. You really think your ancestors were monkies? Not mine, pal - they came from the original and were not cloned with monkies. http://eye-hand.wustl.edu/personal/justin/lyrics.htm
[CTRL] FW: [604] Trip In for peace
-Caveat Lector- -- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - - - -- -- - -- - Never wear your best trousers when you go out to fight for freedom and truth. Henrik Ibsen NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew Hi everybody, I finished the website so you can send it to your friends and whoever else that might be interested in a hallucinogenic peace prayer. http://www.HalluNation.50megs.com I hope from the bottom of my heart that this will come to fruition. Peace to all my brothers and sisters, Kris _,.-:*'``'*:-.,__,.-:*'``'*:-.,__,.-:*'``'*:-.,_ `'*:-.,__,.-:*'``'*:-.,__,.-:*'``'*:-.,__,.-:*'` Interdimensional devices; levitating, spinning, crawling and sliding. Linking, dividing, harmonizing and synergizing qualities, forms, waves and realities. Trans-technological singularities of temporal matrices, hyper-functional crystaline mathematic fractal baby gizmos of light, color and sound, busy, busy, busy. ~ Such stuff as dreams are made of ~ Not Shpongled enough? Then Get Twisted at http://twisted.co.uk A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Psychological Operations In Guerrilla Warfare
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[CTRL] Banned songs after WTC?
-Caveat Lector- Is it true? People can t listen to John Lennon's Imagine or Armstrong What a Wonderful World because if its peace-desire contents? Rage against the machine Vade retro, satan ... !!! Just their band name is provocative It s been a couple of days since I read about the Reichstag fire and the WTC and I'm everyday most convinced about that comparison ... Saludos, Fer http://www.bayarea.com/entertainment/news/special/clearchannel.html Radio network's list of 'inappropriate songs' hits sour note with some By Todd Inoue BayArea.com Published: Sept. 17, 2001, 6:15 p.m. A program director at a local Clear Channel radio station confirmed that the company disbursed a list of inappropriate songs that shouldn't get airplay following last week's terrorist attacks on the East Coast. It was a list that was distributed so that we wouldn't have to listen to every song and make judgment calls, said Gary Schoenwetter, program director for San Francisco-based and Clear Channel-owned Star 101.3 who received the list this week. It served as a guide in deciding what was and wasn't appropriate. Schoenwetter adds that stations are not banned from playing any songs. They can, and do, stray from the line-up, he said, and it is far from a be-all, end-all list. Had we been a station that played Edwin Starr's 'War,' we would have left that one in, Schoenwetter said. It was distributed under the guise of 'Use this list at your discretion,' like any corporate memo. It wasn't handed out as the hand of God. Flooding the inbox of music lovers and censorship opponents, the list, first published by F--kedCompany.com, came from Clear Channel, the owner and operator of 1170 stations nationally and one of the largest media organizations worldwide. The song list was sent to all Clear Channel radio stations, advising program directors about what songs would be inappropriate to broadcast after the East Coast tragedy. Some songs include references to war (War Pigs, Sunday Bloody Sunday) and bombs (You Dropped a Bomb on Me). Others refer to peace (Imagine, Peace Train, What a Wonderful World) and celebrating (Dancing in the Streets). Program director Larry Sharp of San Francisco-based, Susquehana-owned rock 'n' roll station 107.7 The Bone saw the list and feels some of the choices exclude songs that could help in the healing process. I agree there are some songs [that are inappropriate] but I thought a lot of them went too far, he said. When you pull 'Stairway to Heaven,' that's a song people play at funerals. You want to hear a song like that during these times. A corporate Clear Channel representative could not be reached for comment or to confirm the list of songs published on F--kedCompany.com. The company released a public statement regarding the list, however. The American entertainment industry, including music, cinema and television, regularly incorporates violence and tragedy in lyrics, plots and storylines, the statement reads. Given the environment, a Clear Channel program director took it upon himself to identify a number of songs that certain markets or individuals might find insensitive today. This is not a mandate nor was the list generated out of corporate radio offices, the statement continued. It was a grassroots effort that was apparently circulated by program directors. It's the discretion of each program director and general manager to take polls of his or her market and if so for how long. The following songs were reportedly listed as having questionable content: Drowning Pool Bodies Mudvayne Death Blooms Megadeth Dread and the Fugitive Megadeth Sweating Bullets Saliva Click Click Boom P.O.D. Boom Metallica Seek and Destroy Metallica Harvester or Sorrow Metallica Enter Sandman Metallica Fade to Black All Rage Against The Machine songs Nine Inch Nails Head Like a Hole Godsmack Bad Religion Tool Intolerance Soundgarden Blow Up the Outside World AC/DC Shot Down in Flames AC/DC Shoot to Thrill AC/DC Dirty Deeds AC/DC Highway to Hell AC/DC Safe in New York City AC/DC TNT AC/DC Hell's Bells Black Sabbath War Pigs Black Sabbath Sabbath Bloody Sabbath Black Sabbath Suicide Solution Dio Holy Diver Steve Miller Jet Airliner Van Halen Jump Queen Another One Bites the Dust Queen Killer Queen Pat Benatar Hit Me with Your Best Shot Pat Benatar Love is a Battlefield Oingo Boingo Dead Man's Party REM It's the End of the World as We Know It Talking Heads Burning Down the House Judas Priest Some Heads Are Gonna Roll Pink Floyd Run Like Hell Pink Floyd Mother Savage Garden Crash and Burn Dave Matthews Band Crash Into Me Bangles Walk Like an Egyptian Pretenders My City Was Gone Alanis Morissette Ironic Barenaked Ladies Falling for the First Time Fuel Bad Day John Parr St. Elmo's Fire Peter Gabriel When You're Falling Kansas Dust in the Wind Led Zeppelin Stairway to Heaven The Beatles A Day in the Life The Beatles Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds The Beatles Ticket To Ride
[CTRL] Hello
-Caveat Lector- Can anyone tell me the web page or source for the 4000 Israelis not going to their jobs on 9/11/01? Please let me know? Thanks Bill A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] What we got here, the music makers?
-Caveat Lector- Does it matter how we got here or the fact that we are bacterial byproducts. Bacteria helps culture out food outside our bodies (yogurt, cheese, wine, ect.) and helps digest food inside our bodies (probiotics - Acidophilus, ect.) which means that no matter how you got here, you have an whole ecosystem inside you that allows you to stay here. But then you may decide in survival of the fittest - which could mean that fungus and mycotoxins will inherit the earth instead of the bacterial byproduct known as human. Could this also mean that there are live beneficial bacteria that live in the air and keep our lungs from being fungus-ized as well? So, you can stand on what you consider your laurels (the original?) or look to what the future may bring, preferably not mycotoxins. Saba wrote: -cut- Great site Tony.. You really think your ancestors were monkies? Not mine, pal - they came from the original and were not cloned with monkies. Subject: Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 14:23:08 -0400 (EDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Saba) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://eye-hand.wustl.edu/personal/justin/lyrics.htm -- The science of government it is my duty to study, more than all other sciences; the arts of legislation and administration and negotiation ought to take the place of, indeed exclude, in a manner, all other arts. I must study politics and war, that our sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. Our sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history and naval architecture, navigation, commerce and agriculture in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry and porcelain. John Adams I could wish that Adams quote were added to http://tncrimlaw.com/library.html http://www.tncrimlaw.com/civil_bible/ FairTest: The National Center for Fair Open Testing http://www.fairtest.org/ Higher Education National Education Association http://www.nea.org/he A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hello
-Caveat Lector- Try here: http://brasil.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=6977group=webcast Saludos, Fer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20/09/01 16:40 -Caveat Lector- Can anyone tell me the web page or source for the 4000 Israelis not going to their jobs on 9/11/01? Please let me know? Thanks Bill A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Banned songs after WTC?
-Caveat Lector- Is it true? People can t listen to John Lennon's Imagine or Armstrong What a Wonderful World because if its peace-desire contents? Rage against the machine Vade retro, satan ... !!! Just their band name is provocative It s been a couple of days since I read about the Reichstag fire and the WTC and I'm everyday most convinced about that comparison ... Saludos, Fer http://www.bayarea.com/entertainment/news/special/clearchannel.html Radio network's list of 'inappropriate songs' hits sour note with some By Todd Inoue BayArea.com Published: Sept. 17, 2001, 6:15 p.m. A program director at a local Clear Channel radio station confirmed that the company disbursed a list of inappropriate songs that shouldn't get airplay following last week's terrorist attacks on the East Coast. It was a list that was distributed so that we wouldn't have to listen to every song and make judgment calls, said Gary Schoenwetter, program director for San Francisco-based and Clear Channel-owned Star 101.3 who received the list this week. It served as a guide in deciding what was and wasn't appropriate. Schoenwetter adds that stations are not banned from playing any songs. They can, and do, stray from the line-up, he said, and it is far from a be-all, end-all list. Had we been a station that played Edwin Starr's 'War,' we would have left that one in, Schoenwetter said. It was distributed under the guise of 'Use this list at your discretion,' like any corporate memo. It wasn't handed out as the hand of God. Flooding the inbox of music lovers and censorship opponents, the list, first published by F--kedCompany.com, came from Clear Channel, the owner and operator of 1170 stations nationally and one of the largest media organizations worldwide. The song list was sent to all Clear Channel radio stations, advising program directors about what songs would be inappropriate to broadcast after the East Coast tragedy. Some songs include references to war (War Pigs, Sunday Bloody Sunday) and bombs (You Dropped a Bomb on Me). Others refer to peace (Imagine, Peace Train, What a Wonderful World) and celebrating (Dancing in the Streets). Program director Larry Sharp of San Francisco-based, Susquehana-owned rock 'n' roll station 107.7 The Bone saw the list and feels some of the choices exclude songs that could help in the healing process. I agree there are some songs [that are inappropriate] but I thought a lot of them went too far, he said. When you pull 'Stairway to Heaven,' that's a song people play at funerals. You want to hear a song like that during these times. A corporate Clear Channel representative could not be reached for comment or to confirm the list of songs published on F--kedCompany.com. The company released a public statement regarding the list, however. The American entertainment industry, including music, cinema and television, regularly incorporates violence and tragedy in lyrics, plots and storylines, the statement reads. Given the environment, a Clear Channel program director took it upon himself to identify a number of songs that certain markets or individuals might find insensitive today. This is not a mandate nor was the list generated out of corporate radio offices, the statement continued. It was a grassroots effort that was apparently circulated by program directors. It's the discretion of each program director and general manager to take polls of his or her market and if so for how long. The following songs were reportedly listed as having questionable content: Drowning Pool Bodies Mudvayne Death Blooms Megadeth Dread and the Fugitive Megadeth Sweating Bullets Saliva Click Click Boom P.O.D. Boom Metallica Seek and Destroy Metallica Harvester or Sorrow Metallica Enter Sandman Metallica Fade to Black All Rage Against The Machine songs Nine Inch Nails Head Like a Hole Godsmack Bad Religion Tool Intolerance Soundgarden Blow Up the Outside World AC/DC Shot Down in Flames AC/DC Shoot to Thrill AC/DC Dirty Deeds AC/DC Highway to Hell AC/DC Safe in New York City AC/DC TNT AC/DC Hell's Bells Black Sabbath War Pigs Black Sabbath Sabbath Bloody Sabbath Black Sabbath Suicide Solution Dio Holy Diver Steve Miller Jet Airliner Van Halen Jump Queen Another One Bites the Dust Queen Killer Queen Pat Benatar Hit Me with Your Best Shot Pat Benatar Love is a Battlefield Oingo Boingo Dead Man's Party REM It's the End of the World as We Know It Talking Heads Burning Down the House Judas Priest Some Heads Are Gonna Roll Pink Floyd Run Like Hell Pink Floyd Mother Savage Garden Crash and Burn Dave Matthews Band Crash Into Me Bangles Walk Like an Egyptian Pretenders My City Was Gone Alanis Morissette Ironic Barenaked Ladies Falling for the First Time Fuel Bad Day John Parr St. Elmo's Fire Peter Gabriel When You're Falling Kansas Dust in the Wind Led Zeppelin Stairway to Heaven The Beatles A Day in the Life The Beatles Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds The Beatles Ticket To Ride
Re: [CTRL] What we got here, the music makers?
-Caveat Lector- I think all 3 are the same person -- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - - - -- -- - -- - Man's mind stretched to a new idea never goes back to its original dimensions. Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: laural [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 14:54:11 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] What we got here, the music makers? -Caveat Lector- Does it matter how we got here or the fact that we are bacterial byproducts. Bacteria helps culture out food outside our bodies (yogurt, cheese, wine, ect.) and helps digest food inside our bodies (probiotics - Acidophilus, ect.) which means that no matter how you got here, you have an whole ecosystem inside you that allows you to stay here. But then you may decide in survival of the fittest - which could mean that fungus and mycotoxins will inherit the earth instead of the bacterial byproduct known as human. Could this also mean that there are live beneficial bacteria that live in the air and keep our lungs from being fungus-ized as well? So, you can stand on what you consider your laurels (the original?) or look to what the future may bring, preferably not mycotoxins. Saba wrote: -cut- Great site Tony.. You really think your ancestors were monkies? Not mine, pal - they came from the original and were not cloned with monkies. Subject: Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 14:23:08 -0400 (EDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Saba) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://eye-hand.wustl.edu/personal/justin/lyrics.htm -- The science of government it is my duty to study, more than all other sciences; the arts of legislation and administration and negotiation ought to take the place of, indeed exclude, in a manner, all other arts. I must study politics and war, that our sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. Our sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history and naval architecture, navigation, commerce and agriculture in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry and porcelain. John Adams I could wish that Adams quote were added to http://tncrimlaw.com/library.html http://www.tncrimlaw.com/civil_bible/ FairTest: The National Center for Fair Open Testing http://www.fairtest.org/ Higher Education National Education Association http://www.nea.org/he A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance?not soap-boxing?please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'?with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds?is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A
Re: [CTRL] What we got here, the music makers?
-Caveat Lector- We are talking about two different things Piper. It is said King Solomon brought in the monkies and the rest is history. And then we had the Beatles and the Monkies who sang a lot of worthless music - one revolutionary music, and the other never heard. Maybe you better do a little research into the pineal gland this little computer chip in the center of the forehead for now and then it brings up something original and/or let us say prophetic on occasion for in essense we are all just programmed robots are we not. Only big germs are germs of truth. saba A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Banned songs after WTC?
-Caveat Lector- Have a picture of my brother in law with Glen Miller and this was the last picture taken of him while they were in England; presume it was at what I called High Wycombe - Miller flew off into the night when he had been warned not to go. The weather was horrible and no experienced pilot would have left under these conditions. They are standing against a brick wall - New York Times did a story on this back in the late 80 period - but the one thing my brother in law said, and others in military often said - hey we had a war to fight, he was just another trumpet player. The music makers - send them off to war with a song in their heart and on their lipsdisgusting..so Irving Berlin got special treatment in the service for writing music to die by. Glenn Miller was not a spy; he was hawking his music more than the war, and sure as hell was no hero. He died because like a few other music makers - including the late son of Ozzie and Harriet - the weather was bad, and so many music makers fall from the skies higher on snow, than on clouds. Saba A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: War declared on God - Final status talks Jerusalem, Middle East Peace Process, War Gog and Magog, Armageddon, Armagedden
So the Jews are to be the winners and everybody else loses? And hey, they do this job themselves and if so why are we giving Zionists billions and billions of dollars to do their work for them. Get this country out of the pawn broker businessthe Israeli are deadbeats having never paid us the debt already owed. Now we are to go to war for Zionists? Do you really think the World Trade Center was orchestrated by Osama bin Laden? That Zionist crap is just a little too much.it is Zionism that destroys this country and the end result of our own stupidity in arming Israelsis the end result - for we are paying for what they do. Cute stuff - like USS Liberty.keep us away from making friends with their enemies for they have many, and no wonder. Read this garbage - oh how Great they Art with our tax money. Bullies all. Saba http://www.revelations.org.za/War.htm
[CTRL] Fwd: Feast of Trumpets, stock market crash, Jacobs Trouble, world chaos, Jihad, Battle Jerusalem meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 meta name=Author content=Jacobs Trouble, End of world, y2k Y2k millennium bug millemium Comet Lee meta name=GENERATOR content=Mozilla/4.6 [en] (Win98; I) [Netscape] meta name=keywords content=Armageddon, Armagedden, Armegeddon, Armegeddon, Battle Jerusalem, Bible prophecy, Bible Feasts Festivals, Biblical Sacred Feasts Festivals, Chag, Chagim, cyclone, depression, destruction of nature, earthquakes, end of the world, Feast of Tabernacles, Feast of Trumpets, hurricanes, Gog Magog, Israel Arab conflict, Jerusalem, Jewish Feasts festivals, judgment day, Kingdom of God YAHVEH YAHWEH, Middle East conflict, Peace accord, Middle East Peace Process, millennium, Rosh Hashana Hashanna, solar storms, stock market crash, sun spots, tornadoes, typhoon, Gog Magog, world war, Yerushaleim, Yom Kippur, Y'rushalaim, Yisrael meta name=description content=Signs of the Times to mark start of World Chaos and warn of the establishment of God's Kingdom
So guess who is pushing for WWIII where Americans are to die for more jews, homosexuals, and gypsies as they say? 55 million people died in WWII...read this garbage and see where the USA fits in here for it is our blood about to be shed for Zionism. They can take that bible crap and shove it. I do not like their version. Saba http://www.revelations.org.za/Trumpets.htm
[CTRL] Ayn Rand Institute Editorial
The Ayn Rand Institute ran a full-page ad in today's Washington Post. They advocate declaring war and using nuclear weapons if necessary.It can be viewed at: http://www.aynrand.org/medialink/itistimetodeclarewar.shtml
[CTRL] Fwd: JERUSALEM Countdown to Armageddon, Gog Magog, Armageddon, Armegedden, Israel, Armagedden, Armegeddon, Israel, End World, Kingdom of God
Now I consider this stuff more dangerous than some of the music being banned but then consider who is writing and distributing the garbage. Read more garbage - do we need stuff like this - Zionist Peasants want to rule the world. Get religion out of our government.you can be anything you want in this country, but we have had in New York City an Element that wanted the American people to react, to want to go to war, to slaughter the Arabs... Still want to know who did not go to work that day but then, with the entire bulding wiped out all records gone with one big exception - the passport with little red arrows which survived..wonder who planted that one. Is this our Mossad at work in USA? this one article said now we know what it is like.Get a bible with all the extra stuff and see story of Bel and Dragon.. very enlightening..God brought the Jews to Israellike hell they did, the good old USA cut the deal and we still are paying billions while Sharon wants to play war games - God also gave Ishmaelites all that oil and I would rather deal with them then these Zionists who send out garbage like Marc Rich to screw the American publis further. As for you Joshua2 - if this be hate talk make the most of it.Zionists are vicious killers and should be brought to justice. A look at their American connections - garbage like Larry Flynt, Meyer Lansky who was in on the hit of JFK, Moe Dalitz, and the criminal ADL and Bnai Brith? And you accuse Bill and I of being haters? Well when it comes to Zionism and this garbage which infiltrated our country - you can be sure they are not worth hating for I do believe they dig their own graves without my help. Saba http://www.revelations.org.za/JerPart1.htm
[CTRL] Fwd: JERUSALEM Countdown to Armageddon, Gog Magog, Armageddon, Armegedden, Israel, Armagedden, Armegeddon, Israel, End World, Kingdom of God
See the Phoenix and arising from the Ashes the Zionists. http://www.revelations.org.za/JerPart1.htm
Re: [CTRL] Amazon book recommendations needed
In a message dated 9/20/01 9:24:06 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Children of the Matrix The Biggest Secret ...And the Truth Shall Set You Free Noam Chomsky - New World Order: Fateful Triangle The 3 Icke's are essential IMHO though you ought to also search out some of the books he mentions such as TRAGEDY HOPE by Quigley and anything by Nesta Webster...also Eustace Mullins's SECRETS OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE...oh and ANYTING but Anthony Sutton! As for Chomsky, it's all good. Bill.
[CTRL] Fwd: Secret Plans For 10-Year War
___ __ / |/ / /___/ / /_ //M I D - E A S T R E A L I T I E S / /|_/ / /_/_ / /\\ Making Sense of the Middle East /_/ /_/ /___/ /_/ \\©http://www.MiddleEast.Org News, Information, Analysis That Governments, Interest Groups, and the Corporate Media Don't Want You To Know! -- IF YOU DON'T GET MER, YOU JUST DON'T GET IT! To receive MER regularly email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] PLEASE TELL YOUR FRIENDS AND RELATIVES SECRET PLANS FOR 10-YEAR WAR Terrorism cannot be defeated by bombs, bullets or secret intelligence. Terrorism is the language of hatred and despair. Out of the carnage and rubble of a new crusade will come new terrorists, even more desperate and ruthless than before. British Actors Group MID-EAST REALITIES © - www.MiddleEast.Org - Washington - 9/20: Ten years in our modern world is forever. Whatever President George W Bush proclaims this evening before what will surely be overwhelming applause and repeated ovations from the Congress, American military and imperial goals are now much bigger than ever. In an ironic twist of fate, for the foreseeable future at least, a dastardly and ruthlessly cunning act by a group of fanatics unyieldingly opposed to the policies of the U.S. and Israel has given the U.S. and Israel the climate and resources to attempt to wipe out all opposition to those policies in the name of a a war on terrorism and the triumph of good over evil. Indeed, the most militarist elements in both the U.S. and Israel, already elected to power but heretofore without the backing to pursue their true policies, are now riding high in the saddle as they only once dreamed would ever be possible. SECRET PLANS FOR 10-YEAR WAR Generals rule out 'D-Day invasion' By Michael Evans, Defence Editor [The Times, UK, 20 Sept 2001]: AMERICA and Britain are producing secret plans to launch a ten-year war on terrorism Operation Noble Eagle involving a completely new military and diplomatic strategy to eliminate terrorist networks and cells around the world. Despite the mass build-up of American forces in the Gulf and the Indian Ocean, there will be no D-Day invasion of Afghanistan and no repeat of the US-led Operation Desert Storm against Iraq in 1991, defence sources say. The notion that a US-led multinational coalition would attack Afghanistan from all sides for harbouring Osama bin Laden, the wealthy Saudi dissident leader and prime suspect for the terrorist outrages in New York and Washington, has been rejected in Washington and London. The sources also say that the planned campaign is not being focused on just bringing bin Laden to justice. The build-up of firepower by the Americans in the region, notably the two aircraft carrier battle groups that are to be joined by a third carrier, USS Theodore Roosevelt, is seen as a major display of available military capability. While it is important for these assets to be in the right place in case of a political decision to launch a strike, there are no plans for a short-term fix. The dramatically different anti-terrorism campaign is being planned to meet what is now regarded as the most dangerous threat to global security, known as asymmetric warfare. Were expecting it to last from five to ten years, one source said. New ideas are needed to counter small groups armed with the minimum of weaponry, whether conventional or non-conventional. Such groups have the capability to attack a nation as powerful as the United States, which is equipped with the full range of modern weapons and professional Armed Forces. Old doctrines for fighting wars, based on lining up tanks and artillery and layers of troops, are being thrown out and replaced by a more subtle and
[CTRL] 4000 Israelis
-Caveat Lector- Dear Friends: I just have been informed that the article on the 4000 Israelis not showing up for work at the TWC is a hoax. God Bless; Bill A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes : Why Won't The ADL Talk About Hate In I...
Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes Why Won't The ADL Talk About Hate In Israel? 9/20/01 11:07:59 AM Becky Oberg for LSN New York, NY -- [Editorial Note: any other LSN writers who want a by-line instead of LSN Staff just let me know.] The Roman poet Juvenal asked Who watches the watchmen? A recent visit to the Anti-Defamation League's Web page raises that question The ADL, which calls itself the world's leading organization to fight anti- Semitism, hatred, prejudice and bigotry, issued a press release condemning violence against Arab-Americans. We are disturbed that a number of Arab Americans and Islamic institutions have been targets of anger and hatred in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks. At this time of profound anger and anxiety, no group in this country should be singled out for hatred, prejudice or blame based on their ethnicity or religion, said the release. However, no mention is made of the Palestinians who are 'targets of anger and hatred' in Israel. The ADL also condemned the Evangelical Lutheren Church of America for passing a resolution asking for an end to aid to Israel. American aid to Israel promotes stability and democracy in the Middle East, said the ADL in a press release. Relief and full human rights for all in the region will come only when Palestinian society renounces violence, takes effective steps to end its terrorism against Israelis and recognizes the right of Israel to exist. Where is the democracy in the Middle East? Is it democratic to require civilians to carry ID to travel through their own land? Is it democratic to have 'Jewish-only' housing in Hebron? There is even a special link for anti-Semitism in the Arab World, although the ADL acknowledges, Manifestations of Jew hatred were attributed to the ongoing resentments stemming from the hostilities between Israel and the Arabs rather than to any deep-seated prejudice. It was repeatedly pointed out that Jews living under Islam through the centuries experienced far more tolerance than Jews in Christian Europe. Why is it considered anti-Semitism to raise questions about how the government of Israel treats Palestinians? The ADL has also classified the traditional symbol for anarchy as a general racist symbol. In the article explaining why, however, they admit The majority of people who identify with this movement consider themselves non- racist or anti-racist. The symbol is more likely to be used in an anti- government context than a racist context. In other words, the minority raises questions about the whole. True, knowledge is power, and we need to be aware of what threat, if any, hate groups pose. But what safeguards are in place to keep them from becoming iased themselves? Quis custodiet ipsos custodes -- who watches the watchmen? Libertarian Socialist News Post Office Box 12244 Silver Spring, MD 20908 http://www.overthrow.com (check out our messageboards -- discuss this story on-line!) (Formerly http://www.libertariansocialist.com)
[CTRL] NORAD Source Tells Of US Military Role Under Martial Law
http://www.americanholocaust.50megs.com/071701.htm Report # 1 July 17, 2001 "NORAD Source Tells of US Military Role Under Coming Martial Law" Pam Schuffet reporting from across the USA- I recently interviewed (while in Germany) a former US military source with previous high level security clearances and who was formerly employed at NORAD in Cheyenne Mountain in Colorado. During his period of working there in security, he was shown a glossy military manual illustrating the US military vision for the coming New World Order, with future projections up to the year 2020. In this manual, he noted that the borders between Canada, America and Mexico were ALL ERASED and realigned. He was shown how TEN POWERFUL MEN would be over this New World Order, who were also very powerful in the business/financial world. He was told that all the banks would merge into a "world bank" plus many other things regarding the coming New World Order. While employed at NORAD, he was informed as to how the US Post Offices would be used for REGISTRATION of ALL AMERICAN CITIZENS under MARTIAL LAW. He was assigned to a local Post Office in the event of MARTIAL LAW and trained in "how to execute citizens IF THEY OFFERED RESISTANCE" while registering at the US Post Offices. (One bullet through the back of the head with a high powered military handgun.) He admitted that families would then actually be separated from loved ones during the US Post Office registration procedure, and some would be sent off to "work camps" (concentration camps, even as were the Jews who were only told that it was "work camps"?) Buses and vans would be waiting at the Post Offices to transport them away. When he was invited to become a part of the coming New World Order military agenda, he declined...as did many other military men. But many also accepted this offer. He then personally showed me his file with his official military papers indicating his work at NORAD, and his high positions in the military and combat security status. He knows that the US military's role in COMING MARTIAL LAW IS REAL. For the US military, THE NEW WORLD ORDER IS A COMING REALITY. Pam Schuffert
[CTRL] lost article
-Caveat Lector- Does anyone have the articles Microwave dangers to your food, parts 1 and 2? I have lost them, or they were deleted. glenda A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Netanyahu, Text of Address today
I am trying to download the text of Netanyahu's testimony today, does anyone have a link? Thank you.
[CTRL] Wiretap Laws FBI Proposals Explained
http://www.wartimeliberty.com/articles/01/09/19/191255.shtml Wiretap Laws and FBI's Proposals Explained posted by admin on Wednesday September 19, @01:58PM from the you-always-wanted-to-understand-fisa-right? dept. You'll be hearing a lot about wiretapping laws -- current and proposed future ones -- in the next few days, and the Center for Democracy and Technology has created something of a primer on them. It's not for the faint of heart, perhaps, but it does explain what the bills in Congress might do. You can read it below. As expanded wiretap authorities are proposed in response to the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, it is useful to first understand the current laws on electronic surveillance. Contrary to some of the assertions being made in support of new authorities, federal agencies already have broad legal powers to carry out wiretaps of telephone conversations, e-mail, pagers, wireless phones, computers and all other electronic communications and communications devices. Following is a brief summary of current law. Further details appear at:http://www.cdt.org/wiretap/wiretap_overview.html Government Wiretap Authority There are two sources of authority for wiretapping in the US. (1) The Federal Wiretap Act, adopted in 1968 and sometimes referred to as Title III, normally requires, before a wiretap can commence, a court order issued by a judge who must conclude, based on an affidavit submitted by the government, that there is probable cause to believe that a crime has been, is being or is about to be committed. Terrorist bombings, hijackings and other violent activities are crimes for which wiretaps can be ordered. (Some relatively new criminal statutes on terrorism had not, as of Sept. 11, been added to the list of "predicate" crimes for which wiretaps could be ordered.) The government can and frequently does wiretap in advance of a crime being perpetrated. Judges almost never deny government requests for wiretap orders. (2) The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 allows wiretapping of aliens and citizens in the US based on a finding of probable cause to believe that the target is a member of a foreign terrorist group or an agent of a foreign power. For US citizens and permanent resident aliens, there must also be probable cause to believe that the person is engaged in activities that "may" involve a criminal violation. Suspicion of illegal activity is not required in the case of aliens who are not permanent residents. -- Electronic Surveillance Overseas Finally, it is worth noting that there are no legislative limits on US government electronic eavesdropping carried out overseas. Neither Title III nor FISA have any application to intelligence collection activities outside the US. The legal authority for electronic surveillance outside the US is contained in Executive Order 12333 issued by President Reagan in 1982, still in effect today. Intelligence agencies do not need a court order to intercept communications outside the US. If a United States citizen or US permanent resident alien is targeted for surveillance abroad, the Executive Order requires the approval of the Attorney General. By internal guideline, the Attorney General must find that there is probable cause to believe that the US person who is the target of the surveillance is an agent of a foreign power. Decisions to target non-US persons are left to the intelligence community. And the vacuum cleaner approach that does not involve targeting of US persons also requires no approval from outside the intelligence community, although there are limits on the dissemination of information about US persons that is collected "incidental" to an intelligence collection activity. -- Emergency authority Both Title III and FISA allow the government to carry out wiretaps without a court order in emergency situations involving risk of death or serious bodily injury and in national security cases. -- Roving taps Under Title III, the government has "roving tap" authority, meaning that it can get a court order that does not name a specific telephone line or email account but allows the government to tap any phone line, cell phone or Internet account that a suspect uses. This authority was initially adopted in 1986 and was substantially broadened in 1999. Roving taps are relatively rare. In 2000, 27 roving taps were approved. Of those, seven were for federal investigations: three for use in drug offense investigations, one in a murder investigation, one in a gambling investigation, one in a racketeering investigation, and one in a firearms investigation. On the state level, 20 roving wiretaps were reported; 60 percent (12 applications) were authorized for use in drug offense investigations, 10 percent (2 applications) in bribery investigations, and the remainder (six applications) in investigations of other offenses. The 2000 Wiretap Report , issued in April 2001, is available online
Re: [CTRL] The New War-Id Order
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Dale Stonehouse wrote: If I remember correctly, the anitchrist was said to be at an eastern university in the late 60s, would not be well-known early in life and would make a rapid rise to world leadership, uniting the world and defeating the forces of evil. Everything I've ever read along these lines claimed 'the antichrist' was born somewhere in Egypt in February of 1962... June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Ayn Rand Institute Editorial
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/20/01 4:13:02 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Ayn Rand Institute ran a full-page ad in today's Washington Post. They advocate declaring war and using nuclear weapons if necessary. It can be viewed at: http://www.aynrand.org/medialink/itistimetodeclarewar.shtml This is a snip of it: We must not only wipe out Iran's terrorist sanctuaries, its training camps, and its military capability. We must also do the equivalent of de-Nazifying the country, by expelling every official and bringing down every branch of its government. This is a goal that cannot be achieved painlessly, by bombs and missiles alone. It requires invasion by ground troops, who will be at serious risk, and perhaps a period of occupation. But nothing less will end the state that most cries out to be ended. The greatest obstacle to U.S. victory is not Iran and its allies, but our own intellectuals. Even now, they are preaching the same ideas that led to our historical paralysis. They are asking a reeling nation, in the name of restraint, to apply only economic and diplomatic pressures, like those that have failed so spectacularly and for so long. The multiculturalist professors are pushing understanding in the name of avoiding racism (i.e., any condemnation of another culture).The friends of love are reminding us, not too loudly yet, of our duty to turn the other cheek. - First of all, I don't feel any certainty that the late Rand would advocate this position. If this war shriek is heeded, it's going to be prison-time for those in the US who oppose this. Where is the evidence of Iran's complicity? We don't like their thinking? Doesn't anybody consider evidence any longer? It's beginning to look to me that any nation that dare defy the US politically is going to be annihilated completely. Samantha A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: US Demands Israel Explain Puzzling Behavior : WasIsraelinvo...
In a message dated 9/20/01 6:10:01 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is Arab propaganda. The sources are out of the Mid East. Shannon has proven himself a liar willing to deceive the whole group to accommodate his Jew hatred. I hate nobody based on their religion Zev and I have nothing against Jews, it's Zionists that I dislike, but you know that and insist on namecalling and demonizing, a tactic you've mastered no doubt by emulating the ADL morons. Bill.
Re: [CTRL] Amazon book recommendations needed
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/20/01 4:40:50 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Webster...also Eustace Mullins's SECRETS OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE...oh and ANYTING but Anthony Sutton! Anything BUT Sutton? Or anything BY Sutton? Samantha A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Feds Complain Bin-Laden NOT Using Hi-Tech
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/57/21790.html Feds complain Bin Laden not using hi-tech equipment By Kieren McCarthy Posted: 20/09/2001 at 16:57 GMT Osama Bin Laden is evading detection by not using modern telecoms equipment, the US intelligence services have told the press. "He switched off a lot of communications technologies," a US intelligence spokesman said. "Now it is other people talking for him. In an innocuous conversation, you can't pick that out." Osama is so cunning, we are told, that he is now using human messengers and family members to deliver instructions. "This isn't low-tech," a former NSA consultant has been quoted as saying. "You'd have to really call it no-tech." Apparently, until this week, they knew just where he was by tracking his satellite phone and they traced his organisation by checking out Internet traffic and email. Now hang on a second. Are these the same intelligence agencies that have clearly failed to infiltrate Osama bin Laden's organisation and that were caught completely unawares when the greatest terrorist attack in history happened right on their own doorstep? Only last week, we were being told that increased surveillance - taps on all ISPs and a backdoor in encryption systems - was the only way to stop people like this. Now, seven days later, when hundreds of special forces personnel are crawling around Afghanistan looking for the man, we're told that all this technology and the billions spent on it are obsolete because he's turned his phone off. That we are blind as a mole. In fact, a mole is exactly what the West needs at the moment. Most companies have learnt that modern computer technology is nothing more than a tool - a useful tool, mind - and that it's knowledge and expertise among your staff that really cuts it. It would seem the intelligence services are not quite up to speed.
Re: [CTRL] Amazon book recommendations needed
In a message dated 9/20/01 5:35:29 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anything BUT Sutton? Or anything BY Sutton? Oh DAMN!! I love Sutton (not like that!!) OK, amend my statement to "anything BY Sutton"!! Thanks for pointing that out Samantha!! Bill.
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: It was planned by microsoft . . .
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Samantha L. wrote: Okay, it's spooky, but what is the significance of Q33 to begin with? What made the person type in those characters? Third month of the third quarter? June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] more follow the money .........
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Tony Dickinson wrote: I don't buy the bible code stuff or similar as contributing to any explanatory efforts 'after the event' (and where were the psychic's published predictions ?). Yes, this all puts crap like bible codes and Nostradamus predictions (whether legitimate predictions or made up ones) into perspective unless someone can PROOVE they predicted this BEFORE the event, it is all ridiculous twaddle, on the same level as Miss Cleo, the Psychic Hotline, or your daily horoscope in the newspaper... June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Feds Complain Bin-Laden NOT Using Hi-Tech
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/20/01 5:37:21 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Apparently, until this week, they knew just where he was by tracking his satellite phone and they traced his organisation by checking out Internet traffic and email. They're saying they knew where the most wanted man in the world was all this time? And admit that they had the authorization and ability to snoop on his org already - so why did they need new legislation? Samantha A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Grotesque And Pathetic War
http://www.truthinmedia.org/Bulletins2001/tim2001-9-2.html#2.%20Grotesque%20and%20Pathetic%20“War”
Grotesque and Pathetic “War”Sep. 18, 2001
About 281 Million against One!
COEUR D’ALENE, IDAHO, Sep. 18 - No war is pretty. But the one that George W. Bush and his warmongering cohorts are promising the nation will probably take the cake in terms of ugliness. It will be the most grotesque and pathetic war in mankind’s history. It will be a war fought by honorable American men and women who have been duped into wasting their lives for a losing cause. President Bush is painting himself and our troops into a corner with his no-win scenario.
Even before the first shots are fired, we will have lost that war. Why? Because Bush wants to lead America, a nation of 281 million people, the greatest power in the history of the world, into war against ONE man?!
Such an act would only underline our WEAKNESS, not to mention inanity. Dead or alive, Osama bin Laden is guaranteed to end up a martyr. And we, the victims of the September 11 attack, are sure to look like aggressive fools in the eyes of the world. We will continue to be despised, hated and attacked whenever possible.
Way to turn a victim into an assailant, and an assailant into a martyr, Mr. Bush! Now, that’s “leadership;” that’s “wisdom;” that’s “farsighted foreign policy”… But such an outcome would befit a self-infatuated and self-indulgent dozing giant (America) which has allowed its government to be taken over by the fools and dilettantes working for the New World Order..
Fools and dilettantes? Is there any other epithet that befits our Washington leaders and the folks in our “intelligence community” (what an oxymoron!) on whom we’ve been spending $30 billion a year? What happened on September 11 was an example of their (and, therefore, America’s) impotence and incompetence. Nineteen audacious terrorists, armed with plastic knives and hearts as big as mountains, tore to shreds America’s high tech-based folly; a self-perpetuated myth of impenetrable security.
At the start of NATOs bombing of Serbia in 1999, we reminded the “NWO Uebermenschen” (supermen) of an old Serbian proverb. It says, "Bitku ne bije svijetlo oruzje no srce u junaka" ("Battle is not fought by shiny weapons but by the hearts of heroes" - see “Kosovo War: Serbs Outnumbered 97 to 1 by NATO Countries”). In the end, the bombing also exposed the frailties of the high tech-driven wars (see "How Serb Dummies Fooled NATO Dummies").
What did we learn from that? Evidently very little. For, even if we turn the mountainous Afghanistan into a pancake while trying to flatten bin Laden with it, how is that going to protect us from another group of fanatics armed with plastic knives and hearts as big as mountains causing another tragedy like the WTC and the Pentagon? It won’t, of course.
So what should we be doing? Well, we should be waging war… a war on all inside intelligence moles, leaks and weak links in our government who have allowed the September 11 crimes against humanity to take place. They are the ones we should be “taking out” first and foremost. What the determined terrorists did to us was bad; what our own "intelligence services" didn’t do was worse.
If the heads of the NSC, the CIA or the FBI were men of honor, they would have submitted their resignations within hours of the disaster. If they were Japanese men of honor, they would have probably hung themselves, as some JAL executives did, for example, after a 747 crash in Japan in the 1980s.
It has now been a week, and all three government officials are still behind their desks, as far as we know. And no wonder… An Eastern European proverb says that, “fish always stinks from the head.”
Harry Truman reminded Americans that “the buck stops here,” meaning at the White House. Not so in Bush’s White House. Which is why Bush and his cohorts in the federal government are now trying to deflect our attention and scrutiny away from themselves and their failures by moving straight to retaliation against third parties.
The President and his advisors have been telling us that they want to “take out” Osama bin Laden no matter what; even if it takes taking out Afghanistan as a country. And some other countries that allegedly harbor terrorism. Never mind that they have not yet produced any EVIDENCE of bin Laden’s sponsorship of the September 11 attack.
By advocating an “eye-for-an-eye” approach (we can kill more of you than you can kill of us), our President and his advisors are stooping down to the level of the terrorists they are condemning. Rather than follow such a leader, Americans should be ashamed of a President and the “hawks” around him who want to (ab)use our military to “take out” an unindicted suspect and the country in which he lives, rather than bring him to justice and prove his or that country’s guilt first. The latter is what a civilized leader of a civilized country would be saying to the
[CTRL] Woman accused of drowning children believes execution will drive away Satan
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Woman accused of drowning children believes execution will drive away Satan Houston Chronicle Sept. 19, 2001 HOUSTON - Andrea Pia Yates wants to be executed so she and Satan will be destroyed, a psychologist testified Wednesday during a hearing to determine whether the mother accused of killing her five children is competent to stand trial. Gerald Harris, a psychologist at the University of Houston in Texas hired by the defense, visited Yates four times after she was jailed for drowning her five children in the family bathtub. The satanic delusions have begun to subside, but Yates still doesn't meet the threshold for the legal definition of competency, Harris told a jury of 11 women and one man. She is rapidly getting better, Harris said under questioning by defense lawyer George Parnham. But Harris said he was concerned about Yates' delusions. You're not going to defend yourself if you still believe your dying is going to get rid of Satan, Harris said of Yates' ability to help her lawyers. Jurors must decide if Yates, 37, has a rational understanding of the charges against her and can consult with her lawyers. Should they decide she is competent, Yates would go to trial on two charges of capital murder in the deaths of Noah, 7, John, 5, and Mary, 6 months. If the panel thinks she is not competent, they will have to decide whether she could become so with more treatment and medication or whether she is hopelessly incompetent. Competency only deals with Yates' state of mind today, not at the time of the deaths. Yates called police to her southeast Houston home on June 20 and admitted to killing the children along with siblings Paul, 3, and Luke, 2. She has pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity. Harris County District Attorney Chuck Rosenthal is seeking the death penalty. He said the decision was made to allow for a full range of punishment options. Yates, wearing an orange jail uniform, sat virtually motionless during the first day of testimony. But periodically she appeared more animated than in previous court appearances. She sometimes looked at witnesses as they testified and a few times leaned over the desk to consult with lawyers when the jury was out of the courtroom. She never looked in the audience where her family was sitting on the first row. Her husband, Russell Yates, had to remain outside the court because he is scheduled to testify. Harris said Yates is being treated with anti-depressants and anti-psychotic drugs in the Harris County Jail and the medicines seem to be working. He predicted she would be fully competent within a month or two. During the first two visits within 10 days of the children's deaths, Harris said, Yates was psychotic and nearly catatonic when she spoke of her satanic delusions and hallucinations. Periodically during those visits Yates would look off as if she were listening or attending to someone else, Harris said. She told me that Satan was talking to her, Harris said. She said she had seen images of Satan in the walls (of the jail). She said she should be punished and that the state would destroy her and Satan, Harris said later under cross-examination by the state. In a competency hearing, the defense has the burden of proof and calls witnesses first. During cross-examination, prosecutor Joe Owmby questioned whether it was possible Yates concocted the complicated scheme with Satan because she was facing the death penalty. She lives in a state that has the death penalty, Owmby said. You find it delusional that she thinks the state might execute her for killing five people? Laura Marangell, a Baylor College of Medicine psychiatrist in Houston, said she had studied Yates' medical history, which included hospitalizations and outpatient treatment for major depression after the birth of her fourth and fifth children. If the jury should find Yates incompetent based on the progress she has made in the past with proper medication, she should be competent within a month, Marangell said. The medical records indicated Yates had attempted suicide twice, had homicidal thoughts and suffered from psychosis that seemed to improve only with medication. About a month before the children died, Yates had been hospitalized and received outpatient treatment. Her attending doctor discontinued a prescription for an anti-psychotic 16 days before the killings. *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL
[CTRL] Chinese Working Overtime to Sew U.S. Flags
-Caveat Lector- This is a disgrace, our flags should be made in USA, to me this kills part of the patriotism. -- Bill WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Chinese Working Overtime to Sew U.S. Flags By John Pomfret Washington Post Foreign Service Thursday, September 20, 2001; Page A14 SHANGHAI -- As America wraps its wounds in red, white and blue, flag factories in China are running nonstop to feed the overwhelming demand in the United States for the Stars and Stripes. At the Shanghai Mei Li Hua Flags Co., office director Wu Guomin has received orders for more than 500,000 flags from customers in the United States in the week since the terrorist attacks in New York and Washington. I guess because we make so many of these things you could say we feel a little closer to the situation there, Wu said as he fingered an American flag. We're working day and night. The Jin Teng Flag Co. in neighboring Zhejiang province reported orders of 600,000. It's crazy and very, very sad, said Jin Teng, the factory owner. Everyone is on overtime trying to satisfy demand. Jin and Wu said that even with China's National Day fast approaching on Oct. 1, they have stopped making Chinese flags so that they can fill U.S. orders. We've been presented with an opportunity to make a lot more money than we usually do making these flags, said Wu, whose factory sells medium-size flags to U.S. distributors for about $1 apiece. But we won't take it. We really didn't want to make too much of a profit on other people's sadness. At the Shanghai plant, Fei Xiaohua, a laborer, was sewing a 6-by-9-foot flag. This is my 50th so far today, she said, her fingers working nimbly. Sometimes I don't like this job. But this time, what I'm doing seems worth it. It is unclear what percentage of U.S. flags are made in China, but as with all textiles, the numbers have boomed in recent years. China produces more shoes and clothes for the U.S. market than any other country. In a few years, China will become the biggest producer of computer parts for the U.S. market as well. The flag business illustrates the increasingly close trade ties between China and the United States, valued last year at more than $100 billion. Those ties are expected to expand with China's imminent accession to the World Trade Organization (WTO). China moved a giant step forward toward that goal last weekend when the organization generally agreed on its conditions for entry. WTO should provide a great opportunity for us, said Wu, a suave 44-year-old manager. Right now, no one around the world can really compete with us flag makers. We have good machines and rock-bottom labor costs. Wu and Jin said they hoped Americans would not mind that Chinese were making their flags. The manufacture of such patriotic symbols has caused trouble in the past. Following the April 1 collision of a U.S. Navy reconnaissance plane and a Chinese jet fighter off China's southern coast, the Pentagon canceled contracts to outfit Army soldiers with a Made in China black beret. China, too, has used trade as a lever in relations with Washington, expressing occasional discontent with U.S. policies by cozying up to Europe's Airbus Industries instead of Boeing Co. But this time, in the days following the disaster, as the global airline market crashed, China repeated its commitment to buy 30 Boeing 737s, making it one of the world's bright spots for aviation firms. We are living in a really global world right now, said Wu. It's natural that China manufactures simple things for the whole world. We have a manufacturing economy. But Sun Zhenyu, a top trade official, warned today that China's export growth, a key element in China's economy, will likely face a serious threat for the remainder of the year, according to the official New China News Agency. Already, Chinese travel agents are reporting hundreds of cancellations. The U.S. economy is already bad, surely this will affect the global economy, including China, Sun said. *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts,
[CTRL] Netanyahu tells US not to compromise with terror
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Netanyahu tells US not to compromise with terror By Janine Zacharia Washington â Former Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, testifying before the House Government Reform Committee this evening, said if the US includes terrorism-sponsoring regimes like Syria, Iran or the Palestinian Authority in a coalition against worldwide terrorism then the alliance will be defeated from the beginning. Such a coalition, Netanyahu said, will preclude possibility of overall victory and will melt down because of its own internal contradictions. Netanyahu, who received unprecedented applause at the end of his testimony, called for the US to take a wide approach in its war against international terrorism, which is undoubtedly sustained by support of sovereign states. The hearing was called to examine possible US responses to last week's terror attacks on the US and Netanyahu, who authored a book on terrorism, was summoned as a terrorism expert. Take away all the state support and the entire scaffolding of international terrorism will collapse into the dust. The international terrorist network is based on regimes â on Iraq, on Iran, on Syria, on Taliban Afghanistan,Yasser Arafatâs Palestinian Authority and several other Arab regimes such as the Sudan, Netanyahu said. *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] US air industry launches massive attack on jobs (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Assalamu'alaikum, US air industry launches massive attack on jobs By Jerry White 20 September 2001 http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/sep2001/jobs-s20.shtml Without a murmur of protest from the news media, the politicians or, least of all, the trade unions, the US airline and aerospace industries have launched a massive attack on the jobs and living standards of their workers. The destruction of tens of thousands of jobs is an early signal that the working class will bear the brunt of the Bush administrations war on terrorism. American Airlines announcement Wednesday that it will eliminate 20,000 jobs brings the total cuts planned by major US carriers to over 60,000. This includes 20,000 at United, 12,000 at Continental and 11,000 at US Airways. Northwest, Delta and Southwest airlines are scheduled shortly to make public their job-cutting plans. A preliminary report earlier this week said the number four carrier, Northwest Airlines, is expected cut at least 10,000 jobs. Smaller US carriers have also announced job cuts, including American Trans Air (1,500), American West Airlines (2,000) and Midwest Airlines (1,700), which said it was shutting down for good. Aircraft-maker Boeing said it would cut up to 31,000 jobs, or 30 percent of its workforce, because of falling orders for new planes. The bulk of the jobs will be lost at jet manufacturing facilities in the Seattle area and in Wichita, Kansas. Massive job cuts are not limited to the US. Several overseas companies announced job cuts, including British Airways, which will eliminate 7,000 jobs, and Virgin Airlines, which is cutting 1,200. Others, including the Dutch carrier KLM, Air France and Lufthansa, are scaling back routes and planning an undisclosed number of job cuts. Airline executives, who are currently lobbying the federal government for a $24 billion package of tax breaks, loans and direct aid to bail out the industry, have declared that even with the assistance, 100,000 jobs will be wiped out. Industry analysts say that for every one job eliminated by the major airlines, six more in related industries will be wiped out. That adds up to a potential loss of 600,000 jobs. The airlines have blamed the crisis on last weeks terror attacks and the losses they incurred because of the suspension of flights, the falloff in air travel, and the high cost of security and insurance. Without question these events dealt a massive blow to the industry. However, prior to the terror attacks on New York and Washington the air carriers were reeling from the impact of the economic slowdown, high fuel costs and a sharp decline in business travel, the airlines most lucrative source of income. Analysts had anticipated $1.5 billion in losses for 2001, and pointed to overcapacity in the industry, as well as the airlines $26 billion debt load, as signs that further consolidation was in store. Well before the events of September 11 corporate executives were working out plans for drastic cost-cutting measures, including the elimination of thousands of jobs. Airline and aerospace executives have now latched onto the tragic events of last week to escalate their attack on the labor force. Industry officials and Wall Street analysts had complained about the labor contracts won by pilots, flight attendants and ground workers during the recent period of tight labor markets. After giving up concessions in the early 1990swhen the airlines faced a crisis brought on by the last recessionairline workers have fought to recoup their losses over the past several years, a period of record profits for the carriers. The same is true for workers at Boeing, including white-collar workers who waged an unprecedented strike against the company. Now the companies aim to use the hammer of mass unemployment to intimidate workers, dampen their militancy and make way for new concessions. The Wall Street Journal acknowledged that the airlines are citing the events of September 11 to circumvent whatever minimum job protection workers had. Both the pilots and flight attendants at US Airways, the Journal noted, have no-furlough clauses in their contracts, but those might be unenforceable if the company can prove that last weeks attack was an act of war. In the face of this attack, the working class has no mass organizations to defend its interests. The AFL-CIO trade union bureaucracy has proclaimed its eagerness to collaborate even more closely with management. In a joint press conference with the US Chamber of Commerce earlier this week, AFL-CIO President John Sweeney said, The attack on America will only steel the determination of our nations workers and businesses to overcome the challenge that has been thrown down. We hope it will also inspire both business and labor to work together to overcome many of the issues that have divided us. At Boeing, a spokesman for the International Association of Machinists acknowledged the need for job cuts, asking only that the
[CTRL] [Spy News] FW: alleged BBC alleged allegation against CNN is DEFINITELY *FORGED* (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: State and Local Freedom of Information Issues [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jim Warren Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 12:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: alleged BBC alleged allegation against CNN is DEFINITELY *FORGED* [The net's glorious rumor-DEBUNKING power, herewith refutes in less than 24 hours, its equally notorious rumor-generating power. Please forward this to anyone to whom you forwarded the earlier *forged* message/allegation.] I found a way to get email to the *alleged* author of the email that alleged that CNN aired old 1991 footage as being of *current* anti-American demonstrations. (We know such demonstrations happened; the ONLY two questions were whether the particular CNN footage was current, and whether the recent message critical of CNN really was authored by a BBC Manager.) The latest allegation against CNN arrived yesterday via Farber's IP list -- At 07:12 PM -0400 09/19/01, David Farber wrote: Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 13:54:11 -0400 From: Eric Rosenthal [EMAIL PROTECTED] There's an important point in the power of press, specifically the power of CNN. All around the world we are subjected to 3 or 4 huge news distributors ...snip... I just sent email to the *alleged* author of the charges against CNN, *at* BBC, and just received this answer, that I consider authoritative: From: Russell Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jim Warren [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: seeking to validate OR refute a statement, *alleged* to be by you Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 22:37:46 +0100 Russell Grossman is out of the office for most of Friday 21st September please contact Susannah Robson on 020 7765 3627 for any urgent stuff. If you're enquiring about an email circulating with details of CNN footage of Palestinians, which has Russell's name on the bottom : it wasn't sent by him and was not issued by the BBC. It seems to be the work of someone seeking to make mischief. BBC footage used that day was from AP, not CNN. Since this is a response directly from the BBC eaddr to which I emailed my query, I'm confident that the BBC manager's name and sig-lines were *FORGED* on the original message. That dog don't hunt! Please note that this refutes the *authorship* of the message; not the allegation against CNN. However, the allegation seems *highly* unlikely. [Footnote: BBC says the footage was from AP-TV. CNN has said that their footage was from Reuters. Presumably, it's different footage.] End-of-story! --jim Jim Warren; [EMAIL PROTECTED], technology public policy columnist advocate 345 Swett Rd, Woodside CA 94062; voice/650-851-7075; fax/off due to spam-glut [self-inflating puffery: Playboy Foundation Hugh Hefner First-Amendment Award; Soc.of Prof.Journalists-Nor.Calif. James Madison Freedom-of-Information Award; founded InfoWorld, Dr.Dobb's Journal, and Computers, Freedom Privacy Confs.; Electronic Frontier Foundation's Pioneer Award (in its first year), blah blah] --- Messages to Mario Profaca may be published at Mario's Cyberspace Station (http://mprofaca.cro.net/mainmenu.html) or/and forwarded to its associated Spy News list (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spynews) Please do indicate if your message is not intended for this. FYI: This mail sent by Mario Profaca is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.281 / Virus Database: 149 - Release Date: 18. 09. 01 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/TySplB/TM -~- == SPY NEWS is OSINT newsletter and discussion list associated to Mario's Cyberspace Station http://mprofaca.cro.net/mainmenu.html == *** NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to SPYNEWS eGroup members who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml --- SPY NEWS home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/spynews To change your subscription mode to Daily Digest (one message a day) send a blank message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe SPYNEWS send a blank message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mario Profaca, independent journalist, SPY NEWS eGroup list owner, editor moderator, is a member of of the Committee of Concerned Journalists, an initiative administered through the offices of the Project for Excellence in Journalism in Washington, D.C. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A
Re: [CTRL] Banned songs after WTC?
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Fernando Sobral wrote: Is it true? People can t listen to John Lennon's Imagine or Armstrong What a Wonderful World because if its peace-desire contents? Presumably only on Clear Channel stations...stations owned by other corporations can play the songs, or at least we haven't heard of any other broadcasting group banning the songs... One news show reported that a live concert devoted to John Lennon that was due to be broadcast this week has been moved up two weeks due to a joint decision made by Yoko Ono and the producer of the show...and that the song Imagine WILL be part of that broadcast... June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Report: Osama may have fled Afghanistan
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Report: Osama may have fled Afghanistan By HARBAKSH SINGH NANDA NEW DELHI, India, Sept. 20 (UPI) - The prime suspect in last Tuesday's terror attacks on New York and Washington, Osama bin Laden, may have fled Afghanistan four days ago, India's leading news Web site rediff.com reported Thursday. The bird has flown, a highly placed source in Pakistan told the Web site. They (the ulema) officially asked him to leave today, but he had left four days ago, the unnamed official was quoted as saying. Intelligence sources say that bin Laden may have joined thousands of Afghanis who have gathered along the Pakistan border in an effort to cross the border before a possible attack on Afghanistan by the United States. Although both Iran and Pakistan have officially sealed their borders with Afghanistan, it would not be difficult for bin Laden to sneak across the border. Dawn, a Pakistani daily, had earlier reported that bin Laden on Sunday took an oath of allegiance from 500 of his Arab supporters in Kabul before disappearing on horseback for a place that may not be motorable. The Sept. 11 attacks are believed to have killed more than 5,000 people and destroyed the World Trade Center in New York and a part of the Pentagon near Washington. -- *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Pentagon said to eye nuclear attack against terrorists
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Pentagon said to eye nuclear attack against terrorists WASHINGTON (Kyodo) The Defense Department has recommended to President George W. Bush the use of tactical nuclear weapons as a military option to retaliate for last week's terrorist attacks in the United States, diplomatic sources said Tuesday. It is unknown whether Bush has made any decision. Military analysts said the president is unlikely to opt for the use of nuclear weapons because doing so would generate a backlash from the international community and could even trigger revenge from the enemy involving weapons of mass destruction. However, the Pentagon's suggestion shows the determination of U.S. officials to retaliate for the first massive terrorist attacks on the U.S. mainland, the analysts said. The recommendation appears intended to deter terrorists, they said. On ABC television's This Week program Sunday, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld refused to rule out the use of tactical nuclear weapons. Rumsfeld, who is notoriously tight-lipped with the press, avoided answering a question on whether their use could be ruled out. To a similar question, a Pentagon official also replied, We will not discuss operational and intelligence matters. The diplomatic sources said the Pentagon recommended using tactical nuclear weapons shortly after it became known that the terrorist attacks caused an unprecedented number of civilian casualties. On Sept. 11, hijackers seized four commercial U.S. aircraft. Two of the planes slammed into the twin towers of New York's World Trade Center, while a third hit the Pentagon near Washington. The fourth plane crashed outside Pittsburgh. More than 5,000 people were left dead or missing in the attacks. Tactical nuclear weapons have been developed to attack very specific targets. The military analysts said Pentagon officials are apparently thinking of using weapons that can reach and destroy terrorists hiding in an underground shelter, limiting damage to surrounding areas. In 1986, the U.S. conducted an air raid on Libya, attempting to target Col. Moammar Gadhafi. In 1998, Washington fired a cruise missile into Afghanistan in an attempt to kill Osama bin Laden. Analysts said that since these attempts failed, U.S. officials may be mulling the use of tactical nuclear weapons, which can cause much greater destruction than conventional weapons. The U.S. has indicated that it does not rule out the use of nuclear weapons if a country attacks the U.S., its allies, or its forces with chemical or biological weapons. The Japan Times: Sept. 20, 2001 *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Arafat scrambles for cover
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Arafat scrambles for cover Why he signed truce with Israel after attack -- -- Editor's note: In partnership with Stratfor, the global intelligence company, WorldNetDaily publishes daily updates on international affairs provided by the respected private research and analysis firm. Look for fresh updates each afternoon, Monday through Friday. In addition, WorldNetDaily invites you to consider STRATFOR membership, entitling you to a wealth of international intelligence reports usually available only to top executives, scholars, academic institutions and press agencies. © 2001 WorldNetDaily.com Palestinian Authority leader Yasser Arafat up to now has been successful in driving a wedge between the United States and Israel while retaining plausible deniability for suicide bombings in the Middle East. But in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States, Arafat's strategy is in shambles. He is now trapped between an unrestrained Israel and the anger of the Palestinian public. Immediately after the events of Sept. 11, Stratfor wrote that Israel would be a major beneficiary of the attacks. We said: Given that pressures for Israel to restrain operations against the Palestinian Authority will decline dramatically, it might be expected that Yasser Arafat, anticipating this evolution, will rapidly change his position on suicide bombings and become more accommodating to Israel. In effect, today's events have wrecked Arafat's nearly successful drive to split the United States from Israel. That appears to be what has happened. After agreeing to a truce with Israel, Arafat took the unprecedented step Sept. 18 of ordering his forces not to fire even in self-defense. In return, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has ordered a halt to unilateral action by Israeli forces. The differing formulas tell it all. Sharon has promised to withhold strikes unless the Palestinians strike first. The Palestinian Authority has committed itself not to strike under any circumstances. Behind all this is a grim reality for Arafat. He was executing a superb strategy. The suicide bombing campaign against Israel allowed Arafat some plausible deniability, at least with Europe and the United States. He argued that he was unable to restrain the bombers because they were controlled by other groups, such as Hamas. The more intensely Israel attacked the Palestinians, the more frequently the suicide bombings would occur. This argument allowed Arafat to shift responsibility for events away from himself toward Sharon and Palestinian radicals. He could play the victim of both while generating sympathy for the Palestinians and support for himself. The intent of his strategy was to drive a wedge between the Sharon government and the United States. Sharon's response to the Palestinians had been to launch what was, in effect, a war against the Palestine Authority's infrastructure: attacking command facilities, assassinating leaders and moving into towns to clear out armed Palestinians. It was little noticed that on the night of Sept. 10, Israeli forces surrounded the town of Jenin as part of this conflict. But following the Sept. 11 suicide hijackings in the United States, Arafat's strategy is in shambles. He is still in the middle, but now he is trapped. He fully understands the United States will no longer restrain Sharon. Arafat also knows Sharon well enough to know he will seize any provocation to press the war to a new level of intensity. On the other hand, Arafat may not have complete control over the suicide bombers attacking Israel. After the July 2000 Camp David summit, Arafat deftly maneuvered himself into a position wherein his policies were aligned with those of more radical Palestinians. They had reached a mutual accommodation of sorts: Arafat would use their attacks on Israel to position his diplomacy, and the radicals would carry out operations to their satisfaction and permit Arafat to exploit them for political ends. This cooperation, or parallel play if you will, was not the same as Arafat being in genuine control of all elements. This means that although Arafat sees no alternative to accepting a cease-fire, it is far from certain that all Palestinian groups will accept it. Indeed, both Islamic Jihad and Hamas have opposed the cease-fire, with Islamic Jihad vehemently opposing Arafat's participation in a U.S.-led coalition against Osama bin Laden. It will be much more difficult for these groups to operate now. Arafat might not have controlled them before, but his intelligence apparatus refrained from interfering with them. That is primarily what the Israelis were furious about because they felt Arafat could have shut down the bombers if he had wanted to. Now it is in Arafat's interest to do so. He will certainly try and to some extent succeed â
[CTRL] Israel: No Compromise in Terror War
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Israel: No Compromise in Terror War By CURT ANDERSON Associated Press Writer September 20, 2001, 5:11 PM EDT WASHINGTON -- The United States must develop the will for a sustained, uncompromising battle against terrorism and the countries that sponsor it or the worldwide threat will grow far worse, former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told Congress. We must have moral clarity, Netanyahu said Thursday. What is at stake today is nothing less than the survival of our civilization. The hard-line stance espoused by Netanyahu in his opening statement drew unusual, lengthy applause from Democrats and Republicans on the House Government Reform Committee. Many of us are focusing seriously on this issue for the first time, said Rep. Dan Burton, R-Ind., the panel's chairman. Today, we know that no place is safe. Terrorists can reach us anyplace. Netanyahu was Israel's prime minister from 1996-99 and has written books about terrorism. He said the United States should rally the world behind a campaign with military and economic components aimed mainly at the countries that harbor terrorists or provide other support. These countries, he said, include Syria, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya. Take away all the state support, and the entire terrorist scaffolding will collapse, Netanyahu said. It is time to establish a fixed principle: Terrorism will be punished. Severely punished. Eradicating Israel is not the main goal of most of these groups, Netanyahu said. Their overarching purposes are to force all Western influences out of the Islamic countries and make Islam dominant by concentrating on inflicting increasing pain on the United States. Netanyahu also warned that many of the nations supporting the network are developing weapons of mass destruction that terrorists could use in future attacks. Does anyone doubt that, given a chance, they would throw atom bombs at America? And before that, chemical and biological weapons? Netanyahu said. We have received a wake-up call from hell. The time for action is now. Based on Israel's experience, Netanyahu also said: _The United States and its allies should use pre-emptive strikes to stop suspected terrorist activities. _Improved intelligence and police work may ease the problem but will not stop it. _In tracking down individuals such as Osama bin Laden, the United States should not wait for legalisms necessary for a court conviction. It is not court of law, he said. It is a field of war. _The American people must see themselves as soldiers and be prepared for sacrifice, including casualties among military personnel and civilians. They have to have a moral outrage in them but not crumble in the face of these attacks. *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Army Units Ordered to Deploy
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Army Units Ordered to Deploy By Charles Aldinger WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Army units have been ordered to deploy for possible military operations as part of a major Pentagon (news - web sites) build-up in and around the Middle East in response to last week's attacks on America, Army Secretary Thomas White said on Thursday. White refused to provide any details, including whether elite Special Operations troops might move toward the region around Afghanistan (news - web sites) where prime suspect Osama bin Laden (news - web sites) and his organization are believed to be based, but added that ``Army elements were part of the deployment order.'' Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on Wednesday signed an order that included plans to move as many as 100 or more heavy bombers, fighters, aerial refueling planes and other combat aircraft toward the Middle East and Central Asia region. Washington has accused Afghanistan's ruling Taliban of harboring fugitive guerrilla leader bin Laden and has warned Kabul that it could face attack if he is not turned over to the United States. While the Defense Department refused flatly to discuss details of Rumsfeld's order or where the aircraft and troop units might go, individual Air Force units confirmed on Thursday that they had been ordered to go. PART OF 'INFINITE JUSTICE' ``We have received an order to deploy,'' Air Force Capt. James Cunningham, a spokesman for the 28th Bomb Wing at Ellsworth Air Force Base, South Dakota, told Reuters. He would not say whether any of the big swing-wing B-1 bombers in the unit had begun moving. ``We did receive a deployment order and we are ready to go,'' said Air Force Staff Sgt. Scott Sturkol, a spokesman with the 319th Air Refueling Wing at Grand Forks Air Force Base, North Dakota. A total of 48 big KC-135 refueling planes are stationed there. The deployment, part of a build-up dubbed ``Operation Infinite Justice,'' is the first under President Bush (news - web sites)'s declared ''war on terrorism.'' He has vowed to punish culprits responsible for ramming hijacked airliners into the Pentagon and New York's World Trade Center on Sept. 11 and crashing a fourth plane in Pennsylvania, as well as states that support and harbor such groups. Defense officials refused to confirm or deny a report in Thursday's Washington Post newspaper that aircraft would not only go to the Gulf region and the Indian Ocean but -- in an unprecedented move -- to the former Soviet republics of Uzbekistan and Tajikistan near Afghanistan. The Navy also sent an additional aircraft carrier toward the Middle East region on Wednesday, a move that along with the air deployment could place up to 500 U.S. warplanes in the Mediterranean, Gulf and Indian Ocean areas for what Washington has suggested could be a strike against Afghanistan. Two other American carriers are already in the region. The USS Carl Vinson is in the Gulf and the USS Enterprise is just outside of the Gulf in the Northern Indian Ocean. The three carriers pack a total of more than 210 strike and support aircraft. Defense officials have said privately that a wide range of military options are being studied in connection with a combined diplomatic, financial and military approach to the problem of terror groups. The Post reported that those options could include strikes into Afghanistan by small, elite Army combat units to capture or kill bin Laden, followed by heavy bombing of guerrilla bases. ``We have a very strong Special Operations capability in the Army and I'm sure it will be used,'' White told reporters in a question-and-answer session on Thursday. He refused to be more specific.'' *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available
[CTRL] Bush Submits War Laws
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,47006,00.html Bush Submits His Laws for War By Declan McCullagh 10:15 a.m. Sep. 20, 2001 PDT WASHINGTON -- President Bush sent his anti-terrorism bill to Congress late Wednesday, launching an emotional debate that will force U.S. politicians to choose between continued freedom for Americans or greater security. Created in response to last week's bloody attacks, the draft "Mobilization Against Terrorism Act" (MATA) rewrites laws dealing with wiretapping, eavesdropping and immigration. The draft, intended to increase prosecutors' courtroom authority, also unleashes the government's Echelon and Carnivore spy systems. "We will call upon the Congress of the United States to enact these important anti-terrorism measures," Attorney General John Ashcroft said this week. "We need these tools to fight the terrorism threat which exists in the United States, and we must meet that growing threat." Although Ashcroft has said he hopes Congress will approve MATA by Saturday, Capitol Hill appears to be taking a more cautious approach. The House Judiciary committee has pledged a speedy but careful consideration, and Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont) has his own legislation he'll highlight at a hearing next Tuesday. At a press conference Thursday in Washington, scores of organizations from across the political spectrum urged politicians to tread carefully and protect civil liberties during wartime. The In Defense of Freedom coalition says it hopes to prevent a repetition of earlier wars that heralded greater government powers and sharply curtailed freedoms. During the Civil War, President Lincoln suspended the writ of habeas corpus, interfered with freedom of speech and of the press and ordered that suspected political criminals be tried before military tribunals. After declaring war in 1917, Congress banned using the U.S. mail to send any material urging "treason, insurrection or forcible resistance to any law." President Wilson asked Congress to go even further: His draft of the Espionage Act included a $10,000 fine and 10 years imprisonment for anyone publishing information that could be useful to the enemy. The House of Representatives narrowly defeated it by a vote of 184-144. This is the inevitable result of war: In national emergencies, even in liberal democracies, the uneasy relationship between freedom and order edges toward greater government power and control. "There is no reason to think that future wartime presidents will act differently from Lincoln, Wilson or Roosevelt, or that future justices of the Supreme Court will decide questions differently from their predecessors," William Rehnquist, chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, wrote in a book published in 1998. "It is neither desirable nor is it remotely likely that civil liberty will occupy as favored a position in wartime as it does in peacetime," Rehnquist wrote in All the Laws But One. This time, there seems to be little interest in enacting laws against free expression -- but the draft version of MATA would curtail privacy in hopes of thwarting future terrorist attacks. It says: -Police wiretap powers would be expanded, and Carnivore's utility increased. Any U.S. attorney or state attorney general could order the installation of the FBI's Carnivore Net-surveillance system in emergency situations without obtaining a court order first. -Voicemail messages would be easier for law enforcement investigators to obtain. A search warrant would be required, instead of a wiretap order that brings with it a higher level of court scrutiny. -Wiretapping would become easier. Currently, police are required to perform "normal investigative procedures" before tapping, a requirement that would no longer apply. -Echelon, the National Security Agency's shadowy data collection system operated in conjunction with friendly nations, could be used against Americans. Information gathered from Echelon and other electronic surveillance by foreign governments could be used against Americans "even if the collection would have violated the Fourth Amendment," according to the Justice Department's analysis of MATA. -The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), a law that created a secret court to approve spy investigations, would be broadened and made more powerful. Searches and surveillance under FISA would become permissible for one year, instead of the current limit of 45 to 90 days. -Using this new version of FISA, prosecutors could look through the records of any business, credit card company or Internet provider with an "administrative subpoena" that does not require a judge's approval. -A non-U.S. citizen suspected of being a terrorist could be detained immediately by federal authorities without a court order. -The statute of limitations for terrorism-related crimes would be eliminated. -Nobody would be able to possess certain chemicals or biological agents unless they can prove they have a "peaceful
[CTRL] Fwd: Posting Tonight at LeMetropoleCafe.com
The Man Ray Table Asia Topic du Jour News update from Risk Waters Group Ltd. RE: Risk Waters Group's Financial Technology Congress 'Windows on the World', 106th Floor, North Tower, World Trade Center Tuesday 11th - Wednesday 12th September 2001 London: 13th September 2001: On the morning of Tuesday 11th September UK-based Risk Waters Group was hosting a Financial Technology Congress at 'Windows on the World' on the 106th floor of the North Tower at the World Trade Center in New York. The conference opened at 8.30 a.m. To date the company has been unable to contact anyone who attended the congress. We have 221 people on our list of registered delegates, speakers sponsors. In addition, 16 Risk Waters Group employees were due at the event, making a total planned attendance of 237. Based on advance registration lists research conducted by the company since the tragedy we have reason to believe that: * 47 delegates and all 16 of our staff attended the Congress. They are currently unaccounted for. * 100 delegates have been confirmed by their companies as not having arrived at the time of the tragedy and are safe. * For the remaining 74 delegates we are still seeking further information. As this was a New York event, the vast majority of our delegates were based in the USA but we cannot determine their nationality. There were a few registered delegates from the UK Japan. Risk Waters Group staff members attended from both our London New York offices. 10 are British, 5 are American and 1 is Australian. Peter Field, Chief Executive of the Risk Waters Group said today We continue to make round the clock efforts to contact staff, delegates, speakers and sponsors who were scheduled to attend this congress. In spite of this we have heard nothing from anyone who was in 'Windows on the World' at the time of the attack. Given the level of uncertainty on the ground about the situation we have not given up hope of finding our friends and colleagues safe well. We would again urge anyone who is either concerned, or has information about someone who might have been attending the Congress, to contact our emergency help line number in the UK (manned 24 hrs. a day). Emergency help line telephone number: 020 7484 9700 Any press enquiries should be addressed to: Rory Brown, Marketing Director, Risk Waters Group Ltd. Tel: 020 7484 9765 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Editorial Board: Editor-in-Chief: Philippe Jorion, University of California at Irvine Associate Editors: Giovanni Barone-Adesi, USI, Lugano, Switzerland Jacob Boudoukh, New York University Peter Carr, Bank of America Securities, New York Michel Crouhy, CIBC, New York Sanjiv Das, Harvard University Emanuel Derman, Goldman Sachs, New York Robert Engle, University of California at San Diego Helyette Geman, Universite de Paris Lane Hughston, King's College, London John Hull, University of Toronto Robert Jarrow, Cornell University Paul Kupiec, International Monetary Fund Michael Ong, ABN Amro, Chicago Riccardo Rebonato, NatWest Group, London Gary Robinson, Tokai Bank Europe, London Mark Rubinstein, University of California at Berkeley Domingo Tavella, Align Risk Analysis, San Francisco Robert Whaley, Duke University Peter Zangari, Goldman Sachs, New York The Journal of Risk is published by the Risk Waters group. This article appears in the Sept. 21, 2001 issue of Executive Intelligence Review: Global Financial System: It Was Bankrupt Before Sept. 11 by Lothar Komp Worldwide, there is a state of financial emergency. In the horrible events in Washington and New York of Sept. 11, not only were an unknown number of currency and derivatives traders killed, but also an important part of the physical infrastructure of the financial system was destroyed. Computer files and hard copies documenting numerous foreign exchange and derivatives transactions of many financial institutions, are gone. Innumerable derivatives contracts, for a value of many billions of dollars, are therefore hanging in the air, because one side of the bilateral agreement, for example in Frankfurt, does not know if the counterparty will promptly fulfill its obligations or if it still exists. Already, the disappearance of one big player could trigger a global chain reaction. Rumors of the illiquidity of big hedge funds are making the rounds. The large settlements systems of international banking concerns are showing signs of malfunctioning. Furthermore, the central banks fear that in the next days or weeks, a dollar panic could break out, which would mean the sudden sell-off of American stocks, and a run on the banks. Among the big financial companies, the hardest hit appears to be Cantor Fitzgerald, one of the leading traders of government bonds in the world. About 700 employees of Cantor Fitzgerald were still missing three days after the terrorist attack.
[CTRL] US forming action plan for strikes
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! US forming action plan for strikes MESSAGE TO TALIBAN: TIME TO ACT, NOT NEGOTIATE CHIDANAND RAJGHATTA TIMES NEWS NETWORK ASHINGTON: The United States will use Pakistan as a staging ground for possible commando strikes against terrorists in the region amid continuing distrust of Pakistan's reliability as an ally and the consequent apprehension about the safety of American forces. The Pentagon has begun preparation for deployment of troops overseas for direct military action even as it considers a variety of other operations including air attacks and cruise missile strikes. President Bush's assertion that the US had the capability to smoke out terrorists from their hide-outs also suggests Washington may be considering using chemical and biological weapons in an unprecedented attack on those it believes perpetrated the worst terrorist carnage in history. US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld added to the speculation by saying Washington would use the full spectrum of our capabilities. I think of it in the sense of self-defence, and there is nothing that inhibits the United States of America from defending itself, Rumsfeld said. US officials are not releasing any operational details. But reports here suggest small groups of American commandos based on board US ships in the Arabian Sea could be sent on lightning raids after terrorist hideouts are softened by air raids and cruise missile strikes. However, one school of thought here feels the US will be hamstrung if it tries to conduct a purely air drop missions; it will need at least some ground forces to be based in Pakistan. But given the sensitivity of the Pakistani establishment to the growing protests against being used in such a manner, US officials are indicating the land deployment will be as austere as possible. A team of US officials is leaving for Pakistan to discuss the details. Some analysts feel Washington is being reckless and shortsighted in using Pakistan as a staging ground and expressed scepticism about Islamabad's commitment to a partnership to fight terrorism. It is a charadeâ¦Pakistan's commitment has no depth, South Asia scholar Selig Harrison of the Woodrow Wilson Center warned on CNN, calling the US move to send in commandos an insane idea. Harrison also pointed out what many in the US military circles are missing â terrorist organisations such as the Lashkar e-Taiba, backed and bankrolled by Pakistan's intelligence agencies, are in cahoots with Osama bin Laden and his murderous men. Most western embassies have asked all non-essential personnel to leave Pakistan. The US has gone a step further and warned its nationals not to travel to Pakistan and leave the country immediately if they are already there. Washington has been jolted by the groundswell for the beleaguered Taliban regime and its guest, not to speak of fatwas calling for a Holy War and assassination of Gen. Musharraf for his support to the United States. One unconfirmed opinion poll spoke of just seven per cent of Pakistani respondents supporting the strikes against Afghanistan. Meanwhile, reports from Afghanistan indicate a softening, perhaps even a split among the leadership there in response to the US ultimatum to hand over Osama bin Laden. While the supreme Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar has said bin Laden would continue to be a guest and asked Muslims to prepare for a Holy War, one of his deputies suggested they would not protect bin Laden if the US proved he was involved in the attacks. Bin Laden is now related to Mullah Omar by marriage. Washington says providing such proof could compromise its intelligence sources and apparatus. Taliban officials also said they were willing to hold talks with Washington, but the White House immediately rebuffed the offer. Bush spokesman Ari Fleischer bluntly said, The President's message to the Taliban is very simple - it's time for action not negotiations. Meantime Pakistan's gambit of milking the situation to its advantage has been greeted with outrage in some quarters, leading Islamabad to deny it drew up a list of conditions to support the US military operations. One official who did not want to be named said the administration was furious that Pakistan had proposed conditions for support when the bodies were yet to be counted. Despite a statement from Islamabad by the US ambassador Wendy Chamberlain that Washington could reward Islamabad for its support, State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said support to the US mission to strike at terrorists was unconditional. Elsewhere, India's National Security Adviser Brajesh Mishra is expected in New York Wednesday afternoon for talks with US officials that won't take place till early next week. Mishra will come to Washington only on September 25. Officials here did not offer any explanation for the inexplicable delay in the confabulations beyond saying Mishra
[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Media March to War
Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FONT COLOR=#99Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial /FONTA HREF=http://us.click.yahoo.com/MDsVHB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/zgSolB/TM;BClick Here!/B/A -~- FAIR-L Fairness Accuracy in Reporting Media analysis, critiques and news reports http://www.fair.org/ E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MEDIA ADVISORY: Media March to War September 17, 2001 In the wake of the devastating attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, many media pundits focused on one theme: retaliation. For some, it did not matter who bears the brunt of an American attack: There is only one way to begin to deal with people like this, and that is you have to kill some of them even if they are not immediately directly involved in this thing. --former Secretary of State Lawrence Eagleburger (CNN, 9/11/01) The response to this unimaginable 21st-century Pearl Harbor should be as simple as it is swift-- kill the bastards. A gunshot between the eyes, blow them to smithereens, poison them if you have to. As for cities or countries that host these worms, bomb them into basketball courts. --Steve Dunleavy (New York Post, 9/12/01) America roused to a righteous anger has always been a force for good. States that have been supporting if not Osama bin Laden, people like him need to feel pain. If we flatten part of Damascus or Tehran or whatever it takes, that is part of the solution. --Rich Lowry, National Review editor, to Howard Kurtz (Washington Post, 9/13/01) TIME TO TAKE NAMES AND NUKE AFGHANISTAN. --Caption to cartoon by Gary Brookins (Richmond Times-Dispatch, 9/13/01) At a bare minimum, tactical nuclear capabilites should be used against the bin Laden camps in the desert of Afghanistan. To do less would be rightly seen by the poisoned minds that orchestrated these attacks as cowardice on the part of the United States and the current administration. --Former Defense Intelligence Agency officer Thomas Woodrow, Time to Use the Nuclear Option (Washington Times, 9/14/01) Bill O'Reilly: If the Taliban government of Afghanistan does not cooperate, then we will damage that government with air power, probably. All right? We will blast them, because... Sam Husseini, Institute for Public Accuracy: Who will you kill in the process? O'Reilly: Doesn't make any difference. --(The O'Reilly Factor, Fox News Channel, 9/13/01) This is no time to be precious about locating the exact individuals directly involved in this particular terrorist attack We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war. --Syndicated columnist Ann Coulter (New York Daily News, 9/12/01) Real Retribution Many media commentators appeared to blame the attacks on what they saw as America's unwillingness to act aggressively in recent years. As conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer (Washington Post, 9/12/01) wrote: One of the reasons there are enough terrorists out there capable and deadly enough to carry out the deadliest attack on the United States in its history is that, while they have declared war on us, we have in the past responded (with the exception of a few useless cruise missile attacks on empty tents in the desert) by issuing subpoenas. The Washington Post's David Broder (9/13/01), considered a moderate, issued his own call for new realism-- and steel-- in America's national security policy: For far too long, we have been queasy about responding to terrorism. Two decades ago, when those with real or imagined grievances against the United States began picking off Americans overseas on military or diplomatic assignments or on business, singly or in groups, we delivered pinprick retaliations or none at all. It's worth recalling the U.S. response to the bombing of a Berlin disco in April 1986, which resulted in the deaths of two U.S. service members: The U.S. immediately bombed Libya, which it blamed for the attack. According to Libya, 36 civilians were killed in the air assault, including the year-old daughter of Libyan leader Moamar Khadafy (Washington Post, 5/9/86). It is unlikely that Libyans considered this a pinprick. Yet these deaths apparently had little deterrence value: In December 1988, less than 20 months later, Pan Am 103 exploded over Lockerbie, Scotland, in an even deadlier act of terrorism the U.S. blames on Libyan agents. More recently, in 1998, Bill Clinton sent 60 cruise missiles, some equipped with cluster bombs, against bin Laden's Afghan base, in what was presented as retaliation for the bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa. One missile aimed
[CTRL] Freedom vs. Fear
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! âFreedom vs. Fearâ Bush to Address Nation on War on Terrorism; WTC Missing Numbers Rises Sept. 20 â President Bush plans to tell the nation and Congress televised speech that freedom and fear are at war, while the number of missing and presumed dead at the World Trade Center site in New York City today shot up to 6,333. In his speech, which begins at 9 p.m. ET, Bush will tell Americans the nation is awakened to danger and called to defend freedom and will warn foreign governments, either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists, according to excerpts released from the White House. We will direct every resource at our command â every means of diplomacy, every tool of intelligence, every instrument of law enforcement, every financial influence and every necessary weapon of war â to the disruption and defeat of the global terror network, according to the excerpts. As the president prepared his address, New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani announced the grave news this afternoon that the number of missing and presumed dead in the collapse of the World Trade Center towers has risen to 6,333. The previous estimate was 5,422. More than 6,000 were also injured there, he said. Earlier today, Bush rejected the suggestion of Islamic clerics in Afghanistan that the Taliban invite Osama bin Laden to leave the country voluntarily, when he wishes. The Bush administration had demanded that bin Laden be turned over to the United States to face charges that he was involved in last week's terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. We want action, not just statements, Secretary of State Colin Powell said today. The sooner he leaves and is brought to justice the better off I think the world will be. The Taliban has said it wants evidence linking bin Laden to the horrific attacks in New York and Washington on Sept. 11, but State Department officials say there is already ample evidence proving the exiled Saudi is involved in terrorist activity. A U.N. resolution passed last year on the 1998 bombings of two U.S. embassies in Africa said that bin Laden should be turned over to face justice. He has also been linked to the attack on the USS Cole in Yemen. Meanwhile, about 100 U.S. warplanes prepare to leave for the region as part of a U.S. operation tentatively dubbed Infinite Justice. The name of the mission still awaits White House approval. Government sources said the order calls for several dozen B-52 and B-1 bombers, plus intelligence-gathering aircraft to be in the region by Sept. 24 or Sept. 25. List of National Guard and Reserve units mobilized. Clerics: U.S. Attack Would Start Holy War The council of clerics, convened by Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar, also said a holy war should be declared on the United States â and any nation that aids it â if an attack is launched on Afghanistan. Omar has said he would abide by the decision of the clerics. Some reports say the reclusive leader is close to bin Laden. The clerics also asked that the United Nations and Organization of the Islamic Conference investigate allegations that bin Laden played a role in the attacks. Meanwhile, a report in the London Times said the United States and Britain are finalizing plans for what could be a 10-year battle against terrorists. According to the report, allied nations would not invade Afghanistan, D-Day style, or stage a Gulf War-type of attack. Instead, it would be a concentrated battle designed to capture or destroy terrorists and their facilities, as well as put political and economic pressure on nations that support them. Building International Support The military movement authorized Wednesday is the strongest sign yet of U.S. resolve to hunt down bin Laden and his organization in Afghanistan following the Sept. 11 attacks. Bush and Powell continue to talk with foreign leaders to build international support for striking at bin Laden and other suspected terrorists. According to the White House, Bush will make clear tonight that the U.S. fight is against terrorist extremists, not against all Muslims in America and throughout the world. The enemy of American is not our many Muslim friends; it is not our many Arab friends. Our enemy is a radical network of terrorists and every government that supports them, Bush plans to say. Saudi Arabia pledged its support today to help the United States fight terrorism. The message came from Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal, who met with Bush at the White House. Bush is also scheduled to meet with British Prime Minister Tony Blair later today, while Powell has meetings scheduled with the foreign ministers of China and Italy on Friday. China has been sending mixed messages about American moves in response to the attacks on New York and Washington. We will be listening very closely to the Chinese when we meet them on Friday to determine exactly what
Re: [CTRL] Feds Complain Bin-Laden NOT Using Hi-Tech
-Caveat Lector- Apparently, until this week, they knew just where he was by tracking his satellite phone and they traced his organisation by checking out Internet traffic and email. A lot of effing good it did us on 9/11, huh? June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Israel: No Compromise in Terror War
-Caveat Lector- Is this the same Netanyahu who has a son who refused to go into service as Israeli soldier he tells us we should be ready to die for that god damned Zionist State of Israel? Get the Zionists out of Israel and the war is gone. After all it was CIA and MOSSAD who trained a lot of killers to bomb and destroy and kill Americans. Remember the USS Liberty. Hey this son of a bitch wants us to sacrifice our children - our soldiers and chldren but this litle coward for a son he has refused to put on Israelie uniform? Strange we would be friends with Arab nations if it was not this Zionist element which is rotton to the core. This is the millennium and we are to go to war and start a war from which there is no return to protect this pitiful state of Israel who has bled this country dry literally and figuratively? No we do not know who did what on the Towersand enough of this biblical crap for I have this master plan for murder but they call it a Master Plan for the Jews to return like Buzzards to a Hinckley, Ohio. One man - six foot six - really, had they wanted the CIA agent bin Laden, this man who is a rebel without a cause for surely it is not poverty which has driven this man to war - but greed, drugs, oil, and this god business. Caught us off guard? What a lot of crap. They got some landmarks - keyed to the bible calendar - the chosen ones better find anothr sucker for when America wakes up and finds out what really is happening, we will see it may be too late - do not see Clinton in pain, do you? But that Holy Joe Lieberman Hey we're okay, we will be at the senate tonite - we are okay. Who gives a rat's ass if this little weasel faced Zionist was dead or live. Osama bin Laden - look for an Egyptian Jew with Star of David engraved upon his ass clue to the WTCpardon, I mean the twin towers Saba A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Saudis Join Anti-Terrorism Fight
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Saudis Join Anti-Terrorism Fight By BARRY SCHWEID, AP Diplomatic Writer WASHINGTON (AP) - Saudi Arabia pledged to President Bush (news - web sites) on Thursday that it would use all its resources to fight terrorism while the 16-member European Union (news - web sites) agreed on a series of joint measures. These include cooperating with the United States to deny financing to terrorist groups and tighter border and export controls. ``Our resolve is a reflection of the strength of the U.S.-E.U. relationship, our shared values, and our determination to address together the new challenges we face,'' the United States and the European Union said in a joint statement. The Saudi promise of cooperation, meanwhile, was delivered by Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal to Bush at the White House. It could bolster the administration's effort to marshal Arab countries behind the U.S. campaign against Osama bin Laden (news - web sites). In a brief exchange with reporters, Saud did not say what actions the monarchy might take against the Saudi exile, who is the prime suspect in last week's terrorist bombings in New York and Washington. But even an expression of unity with Washington was considered a positive step. Still, in Riyadh, a senior Saudi official cautioned that Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries did not want to be thrust into a conflict. Any aid provided by Arab and smaller Persian Gulf states must be preceded by a clear and specific declaration of which countries and groups will be targeted, the foreign ministry official told The Associated Press. Saudi Arabia and the Gulf emirates will not agree under any conditions to engage in a conflict with groups that resist Israel's occupation, the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity. He specifically cited Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Hezbollah, Muslim fundamentalist groups all listed by the State Department as terrorist groups. Asked in the White House driveway what Saudi Arabia would contribute to Bush's expected military offensive against Afghanistan (news - web sites), the foreign minister replied in Arabic: ``Everything that is in our capacity to fight this scourge of terrorism.'' At the same time, Saud said the Saudis were still hopeful that Taliban, which controls most of Afghanistan, would accept ``the wisdom of handing over criminals to face justice.'' Saudi Arabia itself has felt the sting of terrorism. A barracks for U.S. military personnel near Dhahran was bombed in 1996 and 18 U.S. servicemen were killed. The Saudis and their oil riches are under the protection of the United States, assuring a steady supply of oil to the West. Saud said Bush's ``very clear message'' was that countering terrorism ``requires a very persistent focus.'' On Wednesday, Russian Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov called for an international coalition to stand with the United States in a sustained attack on terrorism. ``This is a threat that can be compared to nuclear catastrophe,'' Ivanov said. In Washington to lend Russia's support to the United States, and to confer on anti-missile defenses and other issues between the two countries, Ivanov called international terrorism ``an urgent challenge to all of international humanity.'' ``The problem of world terrorism cannot be solved by one-time actions,'' he said. ``It cannot be solved with five warplanes with 10 warplanes.' He said the nations of the world should work together, possibly under the auspices of the United Nations (news - web sites), to take such steps as ending the financing of terrorist groups and closing borders to their operatives. ``We are fighting a long fight against terrorism,'' he said. ``We have no other choice but to fight terrorism together.'' Ivanov was in Washington along with other world leaders as the Bush administration seeks support for what is looming as a possible U.S. military strike followed by a long-term campaign on economic, diplomatic and political fronts. In tough terms, the White House spokesman, Ari Fleischer (news - web sites), dismissed a move by clerics in Afghanistan to let bin Laden, the prime suspect in the terrorist bombings, decide whether to leave the country voluntarily. ``It does not meet America's requirements,'' Fleischer said. Bin Laden and his other key figures in the al-Qaida terrorist network must be turned over to ``responsible authorities,'' he said. British Prime Minister Tony Blair (news - web sites) was due at the White House to see Bush later Thursday. The Bush administration needs strong support from the Saudis to counter suspicions in the Arab world the U.S. offensive against bin Laden reflects Anti-Muslim sentiment. Britain, meanwhile, has joined in U.S. military operations against Iraq and is a strategic asset in the Persian Gulf region, which could be a staging area for a U.S. strike against Afghanistan, where the Taliban leaders have
[CTRL] Osama will be 'the last to leave' Afghanistan
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Osama will be 'the last to leave' Afghanistan AFP Beirut, September 20 -- -- THE SUPREME leader of Afghanistan's Taliban militia has said Osama bin Laden, the key suspect in last week's terrorist attacks on the United States, will be the last to leave Afghanistan, a newspaper reported on Thursday. Asharq al-Awsat, an Arabic-language daily published in London, quoted Mullah Mohammed Omar as saying Bin Laden will be the last to leave Afghanistan, dead or alive. The newspaper said Omar made this statement to a Pakistani delegation that travelled to Afghanistan earlier this week to urge the Taliban to extradite Bin Laden, a multi-millionaire Saudi Islamic militant being protected by the Afghan militia. US President George W. Bush has said he wants bin Laden dead or alive. Thus far, the Taliban have refused to extradite bin Laden, whom they describe as their guest, and have said they will launch a holy war if the United States attacks their country. A majority of Afghan religious elders are in favour of protecting bin Laden and appear set on holy war with the United States, a Pakistani news agency said on Thursday. The Pakistan-based Afghan Islamic Press, which has close contacts with the Taliban, said most of the hundreds of Islamic scholars meeting in Kabul to decide bin Laden's fate were making speeches in his support. Osama should not be handed over to America, and we should fight against America as our religious duty, one of the elders, or ulema, was quoted as telling the meeting on Thursday. The US administration has demanded he be handed over, or warned the Taliban to face the consequences. But the report said the ulema, gathered from every province of Afghanistan to discuss the crisis and issue an opinion to guide Taliban leader Mullah Mohammad Omar, appeared to be in no mood to compromise. *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Forbes: Fed Making Same Mistake as BOJ
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Forbes: Fed Making Same Mistake as BOJ NewsMax.com Wires Wednesday, Sept. 19, 2001 SINGAPORE -- Publisher and businessman Steve Forbes on Wednesday blamed the U.S. Federal Reserve and some of its past decisions on interest rates and monetary liquidity for the current U.S. recession, and to some extent, the world recession. Forbes, the president of Forbes Inc., spoke at the Forbes Global CEO Conference, held for the first time outside the United States. He said the Fed should not have tightened interest rates three years ago, should have loosened them at a much faster pace this year, and had made the mistake of keeping liquidity tight, up until last week's terror attacks on New York and Washington. The Federal Reserve is making the same mistake as the Bank of Japan, he said. The same thing is beginning to happen in the U.S. It is cutting interest rates, but is keeping money supply tight. After the terror attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, central banks around the world, including the Fed, have started to enable liquidity in the system. Central bankers acted in unison to stabilize financial markets, injecting more than $80 billion of short-term funds in the banking system to meet demands for cash. As a rule of thumb to assess the appropriate level of liquidity in the economy, Forbes said, the price of gold should be higher than $300 per ounce, and should stabilize between $300 to $320. Forbes pointed to three main reasons for the U.S. economic recession: the mistakes of the Fed, the level of taxation and the rise in regulation in the high-tech sector. Forbes argued that the Fed has been working on the strange theory that prosperity causes inflation. Experience shows this theory is nonsense, he said, pointing to the 1980s, when the United States experienced a prolonged expansion period with falling inflation. According to Forbes, the tightening of the interest rate led instead to deflation, with a shortage of money, which reverberated across the world, as 70 percent of all U.S. dollars printed in the United States leave the country. Forbes accused the Bank of Japan for being overly tightened. He said, It needs to loosen policy if it is to avoid a meltdown of the banking sector in Japan. In both 1996 and 2000, Forbes campaigned unsuccessfully for the Republican nomination for the U.S. presidency. His platform called for a flat tax, medical savings accounts, a new Social Security system and a strong national defense. Forbes said the current level of taxation penalized Americans. Contrary to popular belief, he said, the recent tax cut was small. The tax cut was like a cup of tea posing as a bottle of whiskey, he said. Very weak in its impact. *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Newsweek: Pilots May Have Trained at US Bases
Alleged Hijackers May Have Trained at U.S. Bases The Pentagon has turned over military records on five men to the FBI By George Wehrfritz, Catharine Skipp and John Barry NEWSWEEK Sept. 15 U.S. military sources have given the FBI information that suggests five of the alleged hijackers of the planes that were used in Tuesday¹s terror attacks received training at secure U.S. military installations in the 1990s. THREE OF THE alleged hijackers listed their address on drivers licenses and car registrations as the Naval Air Station in Pensacola, Fla.known as the ³Cradle of U.S. Navy Aviation,² according to a high-ranking U.S. Navy source. Another of the alleged hijackers may have been trained in strategy and tactics at the Air War College in Montgomery, Ala., said another high-ranking Pentagon official. The fifth man may have received language instruction at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Tex. Both were former Saudi Air Force pilots who had come to the United States, according to the Pentagon source. But there are slight discrepancies between the military training records and the official FBI list of suspected hijackerseither in the spellings of their names or with their birthdates. One military source said it is possible that the hijackers may have stolen the identities of the foreign nationals who studied at the U.S. installations. MSNBC coverage MSNBC: photos, video The five men were on a list of 19 people identified as hijackers by the FBI on Friday. The three foreign nationals training in Pensacola appear to be Saeed Alghamdi and Ahmad Alnami, who were among the four men who allegedly commandeered United Airlines Flight 93. That flight crashed into rural Pennsylvania. The third man who may have trained in Pensacola, Ahmed Alghamdi, allegedly helped highjack United Airlines Flight 75, which hit the south tower of the World Trade Center. Military records show that the three used as their address 10 Radford Boulevard, a base roadway on which residences for foreign-military flight trainees are located. In March 1997, Saeed Alghamdi listed the address to register a 1998 Oldsmobile; five months later he used it again to register a second vehicle, a late model Buick. Drivers licenses thought to have been issued to the other two suspects in 1996 and 1998 list the barracks as their residences. NEWSWEEK visited the base early Saturday morning, where military police confirmed that the address housed foreign military flight trainees but denied access past front barricades. Officials at the base confirmed that the FBI is investigating the three students. It is not unusual for foreign nationals to train at U.S. military facilities. A former Navy pilot told NEWSWEEK that during his years on the base, ³we always, always, always trained other countries¹ pilots. When I was there two decades ago, it was Iranians. The shah was in power. Whoever the country du jour is, that¹s whose pilots we train.² Candidates begin with ³an officer¹s equivalent of boot camp,² he said. ³Then they would put them through flight training.² The U.S. has a long-standing agreement with Saudi Arabiaa key ally in the 1990-91 gulf warto train pilots for its National Guard. Candidates are trained in air combat on several Army and Navy bases. Training is paid for by Saudi Arabia.
[CTRL] Secret plans for 10-year war
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Secret plans for 10-year war BY MICHAEL EVANS, DEFENCE EDITOR Generals rule out 'D-Day invasion' AMERICA and Britain are producing secret plans to launch a ten-year âwar on terrorismâ â Operation Noble Eagle â involving a completely new military and diplomatic strategy to eliminate terrorist networks and cells around the world. Despite the mass build-up of American forces in the Gulf and the Indian Ocean, there will be no âD-Day invasionâ of Afghanistan and no repeat of the US-led Operation Desert Storm against Iraq in 1991, defence sources say. The notion that a US-led multinational coalition would attack Afghanistan from all sides for harbouring Osama bin Laden, the wealthy Saudi dissident leader and prime suspect for the terrorist outrages in New York and Washington, has been rejected in Washington and London. The sources also say that the planned campaign is not being focused on just âbringing bin Laden to justiceâ. The build-up of firepower by the Americans in the region, notably the two aircraft carrier battle groups that are to be joined by a third carrier, USS Theodore Roosevelt, is seen as a major display of available military capability. While it is important for these assets to be in the right place in case of a political decision to launch a strike, there are no plans for a âshort-term fixâ. The dramatically different anti-terrorism campaign is being planned to meet what is now regarded as the most dangerous threat to global security, known as asymmetric warfare. âWeâre expecting it to last from five to ten years,â one source said. New ideas are needed to counter small groups armed with the minimum of weaponry, whether conventional or non-conventional. Such groups have the capability to attack a nation as powerful as the United States, which is equipped with the full range of modern weapons and professional Armed Forces. Old doctrines for fighting wars, based on lining up tanks and artillery and layers of troops, are being thrown out and replaced by a more subtle and wide-ranging doctrine which seeks to defeat the enemy at its own game. âThe aim is not to go for the enemyâs strengths, but its weaknesses,â one source said. American and British planners are working on the basis that military strikes will take place only as part of a broader global counter-terrorist operation, embracing every other type of international action â diplomatic, economic and political. Most of the focus of the ten-year campaign plan, the sources say, is on using military action as a potent back-up to all the other strands of Operation Noble Eagle. However, President Bush, conscious of the demand for ârevengeâ from the American public, might sanction shorter-term military operation by special forces, or airstrikes, but only if there is sufficient intelligence to guarantee a sucessful outcome. âThereâs no point in firing a lot of missiles at bin Laden if they miss their target, or launching Tomahawks at bin Laden training camps if they are empty,â one source said. Donald Rumsfeld, the American Defence Secretary, also gave the strongest hint yesterday of what Operation Noble Eagle is all about. âI think what you will see evolve over the next six, eight, ten, 12 months, probably over a period of years, is a coalition to help battle terrorists,â he told CNN. He added: âThis is a very new type of conflict or battle or campaign or war or effort, for the United States. Weâre moving in a measured manner. As we gather information, weâre preparing appropriate courses of action, and they run across the political and economic and financial, military, intelligence spectrum.â British officials said the whole focus of the long-term American approach was being driven by Richard Cheney, the American Vice-President, and General Colin Powell, the Secretary of State. The combination of the two highly experienced men was guaranteeing a well-coordinated strategy. âEveryone now knows itâs going to be a long haul, not a spectacular single strike,â one official said. The war on terrorism could be likened, they said, to the war on drugs or poverty, and the best way to undermine and eventually dismantle the terrorist structures around the world was to use the method of âhearts and mindsâ â encouraging foreign governments and people to join in the âwarâ so that terrorists would be isolated and identified. Some of the most dramatic achievements, the sources say, might come, not from military action, but from political pressure on foreign governments to turn their backs on terrorism and to hand over the organisers of terrorist networks. They point to the campaign against Yugoslavia in 1999. Although the airstrikes fitted more closely to the âold doctrine conceptâ of using massed firepower to target the enemy, which brought criticism from many parts of the
[CTRL] Saddam Hussein Sounds Off
-Caveat Lector- Have you heard the latest comments from Saddam Hussein? He says he's disappointed in the rescue workers at the World Trade Center. He says that Iraqi workers would have been able to find more survivors in the rubble. Now ain't that somethin'? Has somebody on this group been jerkin' his chain? Damaeus -- .. | AIM:Damaeus |Damaeus [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | ICQ:18405845 |New Age, Conspiracy, UFO, Alien TV Listings | |---'. http://www.web-recon.com/continuum/tv | | YahooMessenger:Damaeus | http://www.web-recon.com | ''---' A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] IMF Meeting Postponed. Is DC Fenced In?
Hola, I was wondering why the media have not mentioned the IMF rescheduling their meeting that was suposed to be this month. I was under the impresion that DC was being barricaded with a fence 26 miles around. I was wondering if anyone here has been around DC and can give us a heads up. Also a very important group was to have met with the IRS this month to discuss, for the first time with representatives from congress and the IRS, the 16th legality of the 16th amendmant, the IRS operating without due process, illegal siezures and specificaly why do we have to pay income tax when the IRC clearly states the paramenters for who those liable for income tax are. 1) Citizens of DC, Puerto Rico and other US territories. 2) US citizens working for US companies abroad, and 3) Foriegn antionals working in the US of A I liave in Georgia and do not fit into any of those criteria. Of course I still have to pay. Or Else. What a pleasent form of theft. I digress. The group: We the People For Constitutional Education at www.givemeliberty.org have been trying for years to get redress for these issues and have never been able to get a response to any querries. For YEARS!!! We have a constitutional right to redress. It took a hunger strike from the chairman of this group to get support from a couple of congressmen to look into this and they said, yes, they do have a right to redress an they will get it. About fucking time. Anyway, unfortunatly this historic meeting is a casualty of this despicable event. Hasta, Ham
Re: [CTRL] Israel: No Compromise in Terror War
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[CTRL] WTC Landlord Envisions 4 New Towers
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! WTC Landlord Envisions 4 New Towers By Adam Geller AP Business Writer Thursday, Sept. 20, 2001; 12:53 p.m. EDT NEW YORK ââ The operator of the World Trade Center said he is leaning toward erecting four 50-story buildings in place of the felled twin towers, as well as a memorial to people killed in last week's terrorist attack. Larry Silverstein, the leader of a consortium that just months ago signed a 99-year lease on the complex worth $3.2 billion, said in an interview Thursday he is determined to rebuild for both emotional and economic reasons. The people who have inflicted this upon us are clearly out to destroy our way of life, said Silverstein, whose company lost four employees in the attack. It would be a tragedy to allow them their victory. Beyond making a moral statement, replacing the World Trade Center makes sense because lower Manhattan needs the office space, he said. The twin tower's 10-million square feet comprised about 10 percent of the financial district's total space and served as the area's economic anchor. Silverstein has previously said he wanted to rebuild. But his comments Thursday marked his first discussion of limited specifics. I don't envision building a carbon copy of what was, the developer said. Instead, he has been studying one set of plans drawn up and then put aside more than 30 years ago, to build four towers at the trade center site. But Silverstein said he has just begun trying to assemble a team of planners and architects to consider options. Building a quad of 50-story buildings at heights similar to the rest of the Manhattan skyline would avoid creating a new set of terrorist targets as well as fears businesses might have of renting space 100 stories up, he said. In that fashion, you avoid the problems that could otherwise develop with two 110-story towers, said Silverstein, speaking in his company's midtown conference room lined with photos and drawings of various building projects, including a night view of the Trade Center, the Statue of Liberty in the foreground. Silverstein lead a consortium, including shopping center developer Westfield America Inc., that in July signed a lease with the Port Authority of New York New Jersey to operate the World Trade Center complex. Silverstein said his company had already paid more than $600 million to close the deal. He said the contract with the Port Authority might very well include provisions binding the consortium to fulfill the terms of the lease. We're just getting into all the details now, he said of discussions with the Port Authority, insurance companies and other key parties. But you know, it always was my decision to rebuild. ... You can't rebuild on land you don't control. Silverstein said he has received a flurry of letters and e-mail from the public since the attacks, some urging him to leave the site fallow as a memorial, but the majority encouraging him to rebuild. *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Air Force Readiness Rates Off Sharply
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Air Force Readiness Rates Off Sharply NewsMax.com Wires Thursday, Sept. 20, 2001 WASHINGTON -- The U.S. Air Force's ability to fight a war is considerably lower than it was just prior to the 1991 Gulf War 10 years ago, according to Air Force sources at the Pentagon. In 1991, 90 percent of the Air Force's first-to-combat forces -- fighters, bombers, reconnaissance aircraft and air-lifters -- were in the top two readiness categories. Now, the Air Force -- including Air National Guard -- is 40 percent smaller and just 68 percent of its forces are in the top two readiness tiers, according to the latest numbers compiled by the Pentagon's Air Staff. Combined, the two statistics mean that today's Air Force has just over 40 percent the combat readiness held by the force that went to war over Baghdad in 1991. Air Force readiness rates were at historic highs during 1991 and immediately thereafter because of an intense effort to prepare aircraft and pilots for combat. Overall readiness has steadily declined since then to the current level. In wartime, however, everything changes. Even to compare last months readiness rates with this month's doesn't work There is no comparison, we will get it done, Air Force spokeswoman Maj. Donna Nicholas told UPI Wednesday. Air Force officials contend comparing combat effectiveness between the current force and the force of a decade ago is a fruitless exercise because today's force has better weapons. Where once an aircraft would need several bombs on target to assure a kill, the proliferation of smaller precision munitions mean more targets can be destroyed by each aircraft. The missions are different, the capabilities have grown and changed, said Air Force spokeswoman Maj. Cheryl Law. Adding to the burden, the Air Force this week picked up an enhanced mission protecting the continental United States. A reasonable fraction (of forces) are tied down with homeland defense, said an Air Staff source. The readiness rates are based on four measures and are reported monthly to the air staff by roughly 300 unit commanders, according to Air Force sources. The readiness rates are based on an assessment of personnel, equipment supplies on hand, equipment condition and training. Each category is given a rating by commanders, and usually the single lowest rating is the one reported, although commanders can skew the rating up and down with cause. You can have the best people and equipment, but if they aren't trained, they are not ready, the source told United Press International. Strategic mobility -- the ability to move troops and equipment long distances -- has long been a point of particular concern. The source said with the possibility of a larger conventional war looming on the horizon, the Air Force is trying to find ways to rapidly expand its ranks. One of the options includes accepting lateral accessions -- that is, training commercial pilots that may have been laid off by airlines to fly combat aircraft. Many of those pilots got their flight training in the military. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld issued the first of a series of deployment orders Wednesday, sending about 100 warplanes to undisclosed forward locations, possibly in preparation for a strike against Afghanistan, where terrorist mastermind Osama Bin Laden is believed to be hiding. The Taliban, Afghanistan's ruling, fundamentalist Islamic militia, is currently deciding whether to hand over Bin Laden. *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A
[CTRL] [Spy News] FW: alleged BBC alleged allegation against CNN is DEFINITELY *
I got the same auto-reply. Thanks for sending this along. Samantha Russell Grossman is out of the office for most of Friday 21st September please contact Susannah Robson on 020 7765 3627 for any urgent stuff. If you're enquiring about an email circulating with details of CNN footage of Palestinians, which has Russell's name on the bottom : it wasn't sent by him and was not issued by the BBC. It seems to be the work of someone seeking to make mischief. BBC footage used that day was from AP, not CNN. This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify me immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC, unless specifically stated.
[CTRL] Weekend alert as FBI warns of new attack (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- THURSDAY SEPTEMBER 20 2001 http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,2001320010-2001324997,00.html Weekend alert as FBI warns of new attack BY DOMINIC KENNEDY AND DAMIAN WHITWORTH AMERICA and the West are bracing themselves for another potential Day of Infamy this Saturday, when accomplices of the hijackers are suspected of having plotted new outrages. The most solid evidence so far is the discovery that five associates of the suicide gang had booked seats on two internal passenger flights, taking them from Texas to California, in two days time. FBI agents are trying to capture as many key operatives as possible before any plot can be put into action. Water, gas and electricity suppliers, bridges, tunnels and underground railways have increased security because of the perceived threat of biological, chemical or physical attacks. In a dramatic development, three Arab airport workers in Detroit were arrested after FBI agents found them in a house with handwritten sketches of an airport, aircraft and runways. They had a notebook containing information about the American base in Turkey, Alia Airport in Jordan and the American foreign minister, legal documents state. The three, Ahmed Hanna, 33, Karim Koubriti, 23, and Farouk Ali-Halmoud, 21, from Morocco and Algeria, worked at Detroit Metropolitan Airport preparing food for airlines. FBI agents stumbled across the trio while searching the address of Habil al-Marabh, a suspected associate of the World Trade Centre hijackers. The Arabs said that they did not know him. They have been charged with conspiracy and having false immigration papers. The FBI is concentrating its energies on deterring more attacks this Saturday. Yes, we have heard something about September 22 but nothing specific, an investigative source told Americas Knight Ridder news service. We have information that leads us to believe that there could be more attacks very soon. The same murky sources that indicated something might be happening in the weeks before the attacks have indicated something may be happening this weekend. Bob Graham, chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said that the New York and Washington suicide strikes were part of a larger plan with other terrorism acts, not necessarily the hijacking of airplanes. The FBI has issued a watch list of 223 people suspected of being associates of the hijackers. Nearly a quarter of the people on the list are able to fly aircraft. Copyright 2001 Times Newspapers Ltd. This service is provided on Times Newspapers' standard terms and conditions. To inquire about a licence to reproduce material from The Times, visit the Syndication website. Help keep Genesis Communications Network to remain on-the-air. http://www.gcnlive.com call-in number 1-800-295-9231 also http://www.m2ktalk.com http://www.americanpatrol.com Mail donations to: NMC P. O. Box 6809 Roundrock, Texas 78683 Attn: Mr. John Stadtmiller [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1-877-605-9200 http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495article=9851 == FBI FEARS MORE ATTACKS http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495article=9847 In the blink of an eye, electromagnetic bombs... http://disc.server.com/Indices/149495.html Terror und Überwachung sind Geschwister... NEED TRANSLATOR! http://www.bigbrotherawards.at/ SPYING ON US http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495article=9852 APFN MESSAGE BOARD: CLOSED TO PUBLIC POSTINGS - EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://disc.server.com/Indices/149495.html JUST REPORTED: WHITEHOUSE APPROVES $5 BILLION AIRLINE INDUSTRY THIS IS OVER THE $40 BILLION FOR NY CITY. WHICH ALL OF THIS IS COMING OUT OF OUR SOCITY SECURITY FUNDSand this Insurance industry is laughing! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL
[CTRL] First Trans-Oceanic, Robot-Aided Surgery
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! First Trans-Oceanic, Robot-Aided Surgery NewsMax.com Wires Wednesday, Sept. 19, 2001 NEW YORK -- Surgeons using remote-controlled robots have performed the world's first complete trans-oceanic surgery, working from New York to successfully remove the diseased gall bladder of a 68-year-old woman in eastern France, it was announced Wednesday. Medical scientists predict in the future telesurgery may enable expert surgeons to treat desperate patients in Antarctica, battlefields, Third World countries and even space stations. This is the first time we've been able to operate at such long distances, said Michel Gagner, one of the two surgeons involved and chief of laparoscopic surgery at Mount Sinai Medical Center in New York. Such a complex task as surgery from 4,000 miles away done completely via robotics -- it's never been performed before. The lead surgeon, Jacques Marescaux, president and founder of the European Institute of Telesurgery, worked with Gagner on the Sept. 7 trans-oceanic procedure -- dubbed Operation Lindbergh after famed trans-Atlantic aviator Charles Lindbergh. Their control console at Mount Sinai was linked to a robot at Louis Pasteur University in Strasbourg, France via high-speed fiber-optic connections running in cables under the sea. The total delay was less than one-fifth of a second -- it took 80 milliseconds for the signal to go and 80 to come back, Gagner said in an interview with United Press International. This 160-millisecond gap -- roughly half the time it takes to blink -- beat the estimated safe lag time by 40 milliseconds. Still, even a fifth of a second is noticeable, Gagner said. We had to operate slower, to be more careful. The surgeons relied on high-quality images provided by their high-speed link to compensate for the delay. The detail was so great, our vision was as good as if we were in my own operating room, Gagner told UPI. With the high-resolution images, you could tolerate this delay. The procedure took roughly 45 minutes, no longer than similar operations. Two surgeons in Strasbourg who set up the robot stood by to intervene if necessary for safety reasons. A team of some 40 computer engineers and robot specialists helped set up the telesurgery system. For them, they told it was like magic--nobody else was in the room, yet here this surgery went on, Gagner said. The patient, who was specially briefed on all the details of the operation and gave her consent, was released after a two-day rest period. Removal of the gall bladder is a common procedure, one that roughly a half-million Americans go through annually. The first telesurgery operation took place in 1996. Telesurgery pioneer Richard Satava at Yale University in New Haven, Conn., explained the technique was originally devised to work from an armored vehicle in the battlefield. We had previously thought that the distance to safely perform this kind of surgery was about 200 miles, Satava commented. They were able to demonstrate what we hadn't thought possible. The medical scientists were confident telesurgery could eventually help regions where surgical expertise is scarce, such as Third World countries. Gagner added telesurgery one day also may aid remote areas such as Antarctica or space stations and train surgeons in procedures they might not normally see. There are a number of legal and technical obstacles telesurgery will have to overcome if it is to become widespread. International law has not yet caught up with the issues of liability in case something goes wrong and the recognition of medical credentials across state and national lines. So far Gagner said physicians have relied on the Geneva Convention, which says a case falls under the rules of the country in which the patient is treated. Satava noted the key limitation to long-distance telesurgery at this time is expense. Until the Internet becomes very high bandwidth, such thousand-mile procedures will only be available via institutions that can afford the very high cost. This kind of connection is very expensive, likely in the thousands of dollars per hour, he explained. However, Satava told UPI it is realistic to expect costs to come down in future. It's going to take time, at least a generation, for it to go into local hospitals, Gagner said. It's a bit like the installation of the automobile -- it took 25 years before it became affordable. The researchers will publish their results in a future issue of the journal Nature. *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu
[CTRL] Remarks by Congressman Cooksie
-Caveat Lector- KFI in Los Angeles is reporting that Congressman Cooksie said: Anyone with a diaper on his head and a fanbelt rapped around the diaper needs to be pulled over and checked out. He may be correct, then again... BHoward LogicâA means of terrifing liberals A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FC: urban legends born after WTC-Pentagon attacks (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 10:34:06 -0400 From: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FC: More on urban legends born after WTC-Pentagon attacks Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 10:20:37 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Vicki Ziegler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FC: Radio network claims no songs banned, blacklist was suggestion In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, Declan. First, let me thank you for your tireless and unstinting coverage of the September 11th events and their aftermath and implications. With so much dubious flotsam and jetsam circulating right now, yours is one of the sane and astute voices helping to sort things out. I notice that you cited the snopes.com/Urban Legends site to dispel and clarify the rumours about the CNN-using-old-Palestinian-footage story. There is more explanation of the radio blacklist story, there, too. You would do a great service by circulating the Web address for the special Urban Legends page devoted just to terrorist attack-related stories. (Every time I get that freaking Nostradamus thingy forwarded to me, I send back this address ...) http://www.snopes.com/info/rumors.htm Thanks again, Declan. Vicki Toronto, Canada - POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/ To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ - A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
