[CTRL] New Nuclear Powers May Not Be Y2K Ready, Analysts Say
-Caveat Lector- >From http://www.disasterrelief.org/Disasters/991130y2kindia/ - New Nuclear Powers May Not Be Y2K Ready, Analysts Say Posted on Thu, 02 Dec 1999 14:43:34 GMT Written by Stephanie Kriner, Staff Writer, DisasterRelief.org The United States and Russia have set up a Y2K station to monitor false alarms that could lead to nuclear war when the New Year arrives. But two of the world's newest nuclear powers have security analysts worried about a doomsday scenario elsewhere on the globe. Barely a month before the turn of the year, it is still unclear whether two longtime foes have completely eliminated the possibility of a computer glitch leading to nuclear war. India and Pakistan have analysts worried about a false nuclear missile warning when the year turns. Unlike the United States and Russia, India and Pakistan have not coordinated efforts to prevent a Y2K-triggered false alarm from leading to war, according to Reuters. Analysts say the longtime enemies' inability to get along could have deadly consequences. The two South Asian nations' nuclear ages dawned in 1998 after tit-for-tat underground tests. Since then, their constant bickering has worried world leaders about a potential nuclear catastrophe. The two countries came close to their fourth war this year when Indian troops fought off intruders from the Pakistani side of disputed Kashmir, and it's no surprise that their bitter relationship makes cooperation on Y2K issues difficult. Although the CIA has told Congress it is "highly confident" Y2K computer failures will not lead to the accidental launch of a ballistic missile by any country, experts worry that a false alarm could trigger a deadly retaliation in South Asia. In the past, the two enemies have taken small steps to prevent false alarms from starting a war, such as installing a telephone hotline between their two Army headquarters. But as Y2K approaches, analysts worry that mistrust could prompt one of the countrys to launch a retaliatory bomb before confirming whether or not an alarm is erroneous. "The real problem with Y2K is the uncertainty it creates which could lead to increased chances of accidental launch," Tim McDonald of the British American Security Information Council told Reuters. "India and Pakistan have very unsophisticated radar systems, and they are such close neighbors they have much less time to respond to potential attacks." The refusal by both countries to admit that they even have stockpiles of nuclear warheads has added to the uneasiness about their Y2K readiness. An Indian official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, told Reuters that India's missiles -- capable of carrying all types of warheads -- are Y2K compliant. But both India and Pakistan officials have failed to comment on nuclear warheads. India and Pakistan nearly entered their fourth war earlier this year. However, Dr. Kul Rai, a professor of political science at Southern Connecticut State University and an expert in Pakistan-India relations, said that both countries have likely fixed all their potential Y2K nuclear problems. "Both are quite underdeveloped in the field of computers so there's not that much for them to take care of for Y2K," he said. Still, analysts say that countries can't be too careful when it comes to taking safeguards that could avoid a nuclear war. That concern is what prompted the former Super Powers to set up a system that will prevent false alarms from starting a war. The center is especially crucial for Russia where warning systems are expected to fail and could erroneously signal that an attack has begun. Russian officials will join U.S. officials at the Center for Year 2000 Strategic Stability in Colorado Springs, Colo. Together, the two countries will monitor computer screens that provide a global view of possible missile launches. The center was modeled after the joint Cold War-era Berlin air traffic control center, in which Russian, French, English and American air traffic controllers worked side by side to guide commercial aircraft through the air corridors leading to Berlin. -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ===
[CTRL] WTO, IMF, World Bank are merging
zation with which the bank or the fund could coordinate their policies, until the General Agreement on Trade and Tariffs was replaced by the WTO in 1995. The bank and the fund embraced their new sibling at the 1996 WTO ministerial meeting in Singapore, and the three have cooperated unofficially -- by sharing information and policy advice -- ever since. With this week's agreement, the three horsemen of Bretton Woods come closer to riding in step. Meanwhile, criticism of each group in the alliance is mounting. A growing number of economists blame IMF policies for both causing the Asian financial crisis. Discord rages within the World Bank in the wake of the resignation of chief economist Joseph Stiglitz, who has concluded that much of what the bank does is not helping the world's poor. "All three of these institutions have suffered a degrading of their image," says Mark Weisbrot, an economist who co-directs the Washington nonprofit that leaked the World Bank memos. "There is a real divide within the bank over whether to band together in defense of their traditional agenda of trade and investment liberalization, or whether to admit that mistakes have been made," Weisbrot said. salon.com | Dec. 2, 1999 -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] EgyptAir Crash May Be Due to Collision
-Caveat Lector- >From http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/19991203/ts/crash_egyptair_1.html - Friday December 3 9:10 AM ET EgyptAir Chief: Plane Crash May Be Due to Collision CAIRO (Reuters) - EgyptAir's doomed Flight 990 may have collided with an object causing its nosedive into the Atlantic Ocean, the airline chief has said in published remarks. ``Serious damage to the tail unit, caused, perhaps, by a collision with a solid body, would explain the rapid descent,'' the English-language Al-Ahram Weekly quoted EgyptAir chairman Fahim Rayyan as saying in its Thursday's issue. The Cairo-bound airliner's plunge into the ocean, killing all 217 people on board, on October 31 remains a mystery. The weekly quoted EgyptAir's Chief Pilot Tarek Selim in last week's issue as suggesting that the tail unit was hit by a bomb or a missile. ``There are two possibilities that would cause the tail unit to split off. Either a bomb was attached to the tail or it was hit by a missile,'' Selim told the weekly, before leaving for New York to join investigations into the crash. Rayyan rejected all unsubstantiated assumptions, saying: ''The investigations are continuing and it is unprofessional to rush to judgement without having all the necessary evidence.'' He added that Egyptian and U.S. experts were cooperating to find the causes of the crash, and criticized media reports in the United States that speculated that co-pilot Gameel al-Batouti deliberately sent the plane plunging into the ocean in a suicidal act. ``The Americans respect Egypt's contribution to the investigation and have so far agreed with most of our arguments,'' Rayyan said. He said investigators from EgyptAir and the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) would travel to Boeing headquarters in Seattle to re-enact the flight on a 767 cockpit simulator. -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Seattle scanner online
-Caveat Lector- Online Seattle police scanner: pnm://real.mp.intervu.net/scannerlive_sea (Load into Real Audio) Channels #WTO and #seattle on Efnet IRC are active during the evening hours. -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] U.S. unprepared for biological attacks
-Caveat Lector- >From USA Today, http://www.usatoday.com/news/washdc/ncstue08.htm - 11/30/99- Updated 11:27 PM ET U.S. unprepared for biological attacks WASHINGTON (AP) - The government's medical stockpiles for dealing with chemical or biological terrorism are poorly managed, often lacking vital drugs and adequate security, congressional auditors said Tuesday. The General Accounting Office, an investigative arm of Congress, criticized the Departments of Health and Human Services and Veterans Affairs, as well as a special Marine Corps unit, for failing to manage their supplies for treating civilian victims of a chemical or biological terrorist attack. ''The poor management controls and lack of required items in their stockpiles lead us to conclude that they cannot provide reasonable assurance that the required medical supplies will be available if needed,'' the GAO said. The report said the agencies failed to keep good records, conduct regular inventories, maintain their own policies or ensure security. Some of the problems uncovered stem from the complicated relationships between the agencies. Under a national contingency plan for responding to chemical and biological terrorism, HHS's Office of Emergency Preparedness is to coordinate medical assistance. In 1997 they created four national response teams with stockpiles of antidotes, antibiotics and medical supplies. However, Veterans Affairs is responsible for the daily management of the stockpiles, which are spread across the country. The investigators concluded that the HHS emergency office failed to oversee and advise Veterans Affairs, leading to poor management and organization. At one Veterans Affairs location, the entire supply of amyl nitrate, an inhaled drug used as an antidote for cyanide poisoning, had expired eight months before the GAO inspection, the report said. Amyl nitrate, which is also used as a recreational stimulant, was found in other VA locations in unsecured storage - in one case the drug was stored in a staff refrigerator alongside employee lunches. HHS Inspector General June Gibbs Brown, in a letter to the GAO, said her agency has begun working to correct the management and interagency problems. ''We are confident that appropriate management control of our chemical and biological stockpile will be rapidly achieved,'' Brown wrote. The HHS emergency office's inventory of supplies varied by more than 12% from the actual physical stockpile, the investigators said. While most of the discrepancies came from having more supplies than thought, the GAO found important shortages, including missing drugs for treating convulsions and breathing problems. In 1996, the Marine Corps created the Chemical Biological Incident Response Force, the only Defense Department unit responsible for treating civilian victims of a chemical or biological terrorist attack. By comparing the Corps' inventory records with its actual supplies, the GAO found that more than a quarter of their stockpile contained record-keeping errors or discrepancies in the amount in stock. The federal stockpiles would respond if state and local authorities were overwhelmed by biological or chemical attacks. In September, emergency management and medical officials told a House subcommittee that local public health systems remain ill-prepared for such emergencies. -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Project Megiddo: Criminalizing Dissent
d on October 31, 1924. According to The Black Book of Communism a detailed study compiled by six French scholars that was recently published in English translation that measure "codified the notion of a socially dangerous person. Among counterrevolutionary crimes, the law included any activity that, without directly aiming to overthrow or weaken the Soviet regime, was in itself an attack on the political or economic achievements of the revolutionary proletariat. The law thus not only punished intentional transgressions but also proscribed possible or unintentional acts." The category of "socially dangerous persons" was based on "extremely elastic categories" that permitted individuals to be sentenced to the gulag "even in a case of total absence of guilt"; under Soviet law, the state "may use these measures of social protection to deal with anyone classified as a danger to society, either for a specific crime that has been committed or when, even if exonerated of a particular crime, the person is still reckoned to pose a threat to society." Enshrined in Soviet law as Article 58 of the penal code, the concept of "socially dangerous persons" served as "the legal foundation of the [Soviet] terror." The key distinction between the Megiddo report and its Soviet precursor is that the FBI has not just yet called for the pre-emptive arrest and incarceration of the "socially dangerous" religious "extremists" and "N.W.O. conspiracy theorists" identified as a pool of potential terrorists. Perhaps all that is missing is a precipitating event. In the case of the early Soviet Union, the Cheka used an assassination attempt against Lenin to justify its initial crackdown on "counter-revolutionaries." Speaking with reference to a reprisal attack upon a Ukrainian secret police official, Cheka official Karl Lander organized a "day of Red terror" and issued these instructions to his subordinates: "[T]his act of terrorism should be turned to our advantage to take important hostages with a view to executing them, and as a reason to speed up the executions of White spies and counterrevolutionaries in general." To arrest our descent into the same police state tyranny that has engulfed so many unfortunate nations, Americans must, above all else, support and uphold the rule of law under the U.S. Constitution. Well-informed and conscientious Americans who would find themselves marked as "socially dangerous persons" must actively reach out to state and local law enforcement agencies, first of all to express support and gratitude to those who are appointed to protect ordered liberty, also to counteract the indoctrination taking place under the aegis of the FBI. Just as importantly, Americans must pressure Congress to de-politicize the FBI and confine it once again to its original function as an investigative agency. © Copyright 1995-1999 American Opinion Publishing Incorporated -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Mind Has No Firewall
Terms and Graphics, 30 September 1997, p. 1-82. 5. Joint Pub 3-13.1, Joint Doctrine for Command and Control Warfare (C2W), 7 February 1996, p. v. 6. The American Heritage Dictionary (2d College Ed.; Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1982), p. 660, definition 4. 7. Denis Snezhnyy, "Cybernetic Battlefield & National Security," Nezavisimoye Voyennoye Obozreniye, No. 10, 15-21 March 1997, p. 2. 8. Victor I. Solntsev, "Information War and Some Aspects of a Computer Operator's Defense," talk given at an Infowar Conference in Washington, D.C., September 1996, sponsored by the National Computer Security Association. Information in this section is based on notes from Dr. Solntsev's talk. 9. Pasternak, p. 40. 10. Ibid., pp. 40-46. 11. Ibid. 12. Larry Dodgen, "Nonlethal Weapons," U.S. News and World Report, 4 August 1997, p. 5. 13. "Background on the Aviary," Nexus Magazine, downloaded from the Internet on 13 July 1997 from www.execpc.com/vjentpr/nexusavi.html, p.7. 14. Aleksandr Cherkasov, "The Front Where Shots Aren't Fired," Orienteer, May 1995, p. 45. This article was based on information in the foreign and Russian press, according to the author, making it impossible to pinpoint what his source was for this reference. 15. Bob Brewin, "DOD looks for IT `golden nuggets,'" Federal Computer Week, 28 July 1997, p. 31, as taken from the Earlybird Supplement, 4 August 1997, p. B 17. 16. Oliver August, "Zap! Hard day at the office for NATO's laptop warriors," The Times, 28 July 1997, as taken from the Earlybird Supplement, 4 August 1997, p. B 16. 17. Ibid. Lieutenant Colonel Timothy L. Thomas (USA Ret.) is an analyst at the Foreign Military Studies Office, Fort Leavenworth, Kansas. Recently he has written extensively on the Russian view of information operations and on current Russian military-political issues. During his military career he served in the 82d Airborne Division and was the Department Head of Soviet Military-Political Affairs at the US Army's Russian Institute in Garmisch, Germany. -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Russian Information-Psychological Actions: Implications for U.S. PSYOP
noye obozreniye" [The Bloodless and Noiseless Means], 27 January 1996, 2, author Nikolai Plotnikov discusses "indirect propaganda (information-psychological) actions"; and Andrei Mikailov's article "Nezavisimoye voennoye obozreniye" [The Word--Also a Weapon] 13 January 1996, 2, carries the subheading "information-psychological support of military actions by Russian forces in Chechnya." The journal Orientir, which appears to be devoted to many PSYOP-type articles, very seldom uses the word "propaganda," replacing it with the more popular "information-psychological." BACK 3.For the U.S. armed forces, PSYOP involves changing attitudes or manipulating someone's thoughts, emotions, impressions or beliefs through intimidation, black mail, disinformation or rumor. PSYOP finds particular utility at the operational and tactical levels of military activities. PSYOP techniques are universal, yet cheap, if put into the hands of skilled and competent operators.BACK 4.Boris Yeltsin, The Struggle for Russia (New York: Random House, 1994), 278. BACK 5.Clifford Reid, "Reflexive Control in Soviet Military Planning," in Soviet Strategic Deception, edited by Brian Daily and Patrick Parker (Lexington, Mass.: Lexington Books), 294.BACK 6.Disinformation is a Russian technique for manipulating perceptions and information, and for misinforming people or groups. Some disinformation procedures are obvious, some are unconvincing, and some work through delayed perceptions, rumors, repetition or arguments. Specific persons or par- ticular social groups can serve as disinformation targets. The purpose of a disinfor- mation campaign is to influence the consciousness and mind of man. In Russia today, where there is an unstable public political and socio-economic situation, the entire population could serve as the target of influence for an enemy campaign.BACK 7.M. Ionov, "Control of the Enemy," Morskoy Sbornik No. 7, July 1995, 29-31, as reported in FBIS-UMA-95-172-S, 6 Septem- ber 1995, 24-27.BACK 8.Ibid., 25.BACK 9.Aleksander Cherkasov, "Formirovat' gotovnost'k boyu" [Forming Military Readiness] Orientir, June 1995, p. 15. Translation by Robert Love, Foreign Military Studies Office.BACK 10.Ibid., 47.BACK 11.Ibid., 45.BACK 12.Ibid., 25.BACK 13.Aleksander Cherkasov "The Front Where Shots Aren't Fired," Orientir, April 1995, 48.BACK 14.Ibid., 52BACK 15.Korotchenko, 23BACK 16.Ibid., 24BACK 17.Ibid., 27BACK 18.N.D. Plotnikov, "Psychological Operations: Objectives, Tasks, Content," Military Thought, April 1994, 69.BACK 19.Korotchenko, 27.BACK 20.Moscow TV and Dubl Networks, 27 March 1994, as reported in FBIS-SOV-94-061, 30 March 1994, 28.BACK 21."News War at Defense Ministry," Komso- molskaya Pravda, 29 March 1996, 3, as reported in FBIS-SOV-96-062, 29 March 1996, 33.BACK 22.Aleksandr Khinshteyn, "Commissars in Dusty Helmets ... The Political Agencies Are Coming Back," Moskovskiy Komsomolets, 23 May 1996, 1, as reported in FBIS-SOV-96-101, 23 May 1996, 24, 25.BACK Foreign Military Studies Office Fort Leavenworth, Kansas http://call.army.mil/call/fmso/fmso.htm -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] WITCHES vs. WTO
-Caveat Lector- >From Deseret News, http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,145007490,00.html? - Tuesday, November 30, 1999 Even witches are brewing SEATTLE (AP) As if it didn't have enough trouble, the World Trade Organization must now contend with witches. That's witches as in Wiccans feminist, neo-pagan lovers of magic and nature. And the WTO, any politically minded witch will tell you, values free trade over the Goddess, making the organization a prime target for the casting of spells. "We all are connected to the earth and to each other, and we have a responsibility to have a healthy connection," explained Marian Doub, one of about 60 San Francisco-area witches in Seattle to protest the WTO. "We're saying the earth is important. Individuals and communities are important. Whole ecosystems are important. As far as I know, the WTO is there just to back up the transnational corporations," she said. -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Pyramids to rent for New Age pilgrims
-Caveat Lector- >From The Irish Times, http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/world/1999/1130/wor5.htm - Tuesday, November 30, 1999 Pyramids to rent for New Age pilgrims EGYPT: Late at night, long after the last foot-sore tourists have headed back to their hotels, pilgrims of a different kind gather silently at the Great Pyramid of Giza. Forty-four souls, assembled from as far afield as the United States, Britain, Norway, New Zealand and Israel, patiently await security clearance before ascending to the 4,500-year-old structure, whose meaning has confounded minds for centuries. The crackle of Egyptian police walkie-talkies occasionally punctures the serenity, but these New Age pilgrims are unperturbed. For them, the night vigil is a homecoming. "We are a group of people from around the world who have come to spend some time with Ma in Israel and Egypt," says Mr George Riemer, a stockbroker from Bend, Oregon. "The one thing we have in common is that we are all seekers of truth." Chalanda Ma is the group's Indian-born, California-based guru. A small, intense woman draped in a white sari, she explains the significance of the Great Pyramid. "The pyramids carry the consciousness, the constant of light. It is a pure vehicle of light and harvests those seeking for the light and who come here with the knowledge. Space will activate their energy," she says. Her group has no name. "I have no beliefs, I do not function with beliefs. In the word belief, there is the word lie, and for me this is not the truth," she says. Ma leads her followers in a twohour ritual in the King's Room in the heart of the Great Pyramid. "Ask yourself, are you committed to yourself, to God? Do you have the willpower to love yourself, and God? Are you following the path of light, or of darkness?" she asks, eyes closed, her voice resonating in the chamber. One by one her devotees lie down in a lidless granite sarcophagus. "Heal!" Ma exhorts, striking it with a metal rod, as her acolytes produce an eerie drone from musical bell-jars.The session ends in the Queen's Room, where the group meditates, humming in unison. As they activate their energy, an electricity generator powering the lights drones in the background. Down the corridor come the faint sounds of the guards chatting in the entrance. "It's just like coming home, that's all I can say. Amazing," says one follower from Israel, summing up the general feeling afterwards. This is her first visit to Egypt. "But I know I have been here before, in ancient times," she adds. If the antiquities authorities at the Giza pyramids find such groups odd, they are not saying so out loud. Parties of 15 pay 3,600 Egyptian pounds (about £1,200), and another 70 pounds for each additional person, to have the Great Pyramid to themselves for three hours. Chalanda Ma and her retinue paid 5,630 pounds for their chance to commune with truth. Antiquities officials say about 40 groups a month have been renting the pyramid for New Age rituals in the run-up to the next millennium, and they expect business to double in 2000. "This year has been the highest, because of the millennium. Next year there will be perhaps 2,000 people per month," says Mr Ahmed al-Haggar, chief inspector at the Giza Pyramids. But all visits, day and night, to the interiors will stop from midDecember until January 1st, as plans unfold for a spectacular New Year's Eve concert at the pyramids arranged by French musician Jean-Michel Jarre. Giza plateau director Mr Zahi Hawass said security concerns lay behind the decision to bar access to the inner chambers. "New Year is big - everyone wants to be here in front of the Pyramids," he said. The unpredictable could not be ruled out. Last year a German tourist jumped to his death from the Cairo tower in the belief that a visit he had just made to the Pyramids would keep him safe. Mr Hawass also finds his patience tried by what he calls the "pyramidiots" - theorists who accuse the Egyptian authorities of concealing the truth about the origins of the monuments. "When people come and meditate there is no problem. But there are those who really are nuts, fill the Internet with lies and think we are hiding evidence about the lost civilisation. "The pyramidiots want to steal the pyramids for themselves," he says. "But I don't mean that those who meditate inside the pyramids are pyramidiots," he adds. "They are nice people and they should be respected." - (Reuters) -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with
[CTRL] Doomsday group lives in Bible days, awaiting end
-Caveat Lector- >From Excite News, http://news.excite.com/news/r/991130/14/millennium-doomsday - Doomsday group lives in Bible days, awaiting end Updated 2:54 PM ET November 30, 1999 John Kohath at White Bible Family Home on Mount Gerizim in West Bank (Reuters) more photos By Paul Holmes MOUNT GERIZIM, West Bank (Reuters) - In their handmade linen robes, sandals and cloth head-dresses, the White family look like extras on the set of a film about the Bible. But the family of seven from Detroit, Michigan, are living the Bible days for real in the Promised Land getting ready for what they hope and pray will be the end of the world. "We're on a pilgrimage out of Babylon," said the mother of the family, Ader, 39. "I believe the millennium is Judgment Day and we are going to be judged." As Ader spoke Tuesday, her seven-month-old daughter Serena suckled at her breast in a spartan farmhouse with no electricity, gas, running water or glass in the windows. Outside, four more children aged 4 to 15 tended to the donkeys, chickens and livestock the family and two friends keep in the shadow of this biblical mountain near Nablus in the West Bank that, for the Whites, is 17 hours on foot from Jerusalem. "We just wait. And if we die waiting, fair enough," said John Kohath, a 74-year-old retired maintenance worker from Guildford, England, with a flowing white beard and a belief that the end might almost be nigh. BELIEVERS IN THE LOST ARK The approach of 2000 has proved a magnetic draw to the Holy Land for religious cultists, many of them fringe Christians from the United States and Europe, who interpret the start of a new millennium on Jan. 1 as the sign of the Second Coming. That's not what the Whites think. By their estimate, based on what they say is a corrected reading of the Hebrew calendar, the year is now 6000 and the end will come when the lost biblical Ark of the Covenant reappears at the dawn of 6001 sometime next spring. "We're convinced it is in Jerusalem in a cave in the Old City. My husband has been there. He knows," said Ader. "The millennium of Yehoah (God) starts this March or April. It depends on the first new moon after the vernal equinox." In Detroit, Ader, a former Seventh Day Adventist who changed her first name from Darcy, put her business management skills to use running her husband's business as a chiropractor and lived in a six-bedroom house set in 40 acres of land. Home is now a few bare cement rooms the Whites get rent-free from an expatriate Palestinian in return for tending his olive trees. It is the 38th place they have lived since selling all their worldly goods and flying to Israel five years ago. "I was considered lunatic fringe back then because I wasn't mainline Christian," said Ader. She rejects any suggestion of fanaticism or mental instability. "Why should we be fanatics for wanting to dress as it says in our kingdom?" she asked. The children -- bright, lively and eager to show visitors around -- have never been to school. "Green grass for the animals" is all Matthew, the eldest, says he misses from Detroit. NO PHOTOS, NO PASSPORTS The family shuns modern transport as far as possible, preferring to walk everywhere or travel by donkey. Camels were the Whites' preferred mode of transport until they found the ships of the desert fared poorly in 20th century traffic. The group is strictly vegetarian and lives off food cooked over wood by Rivkah Olson, a former piano teacher from Texas. "When I came here I changed my name because I realized Roxy doesn't fit in this country," said Olson, 63, explaining that she, like the others, had adopted a Hebrew first name. The group regards photographs as ungodly idolatry and burned their passports for that reason when they arrived in Israel. "All the police in this area know us. They say we're 100 percent OK," said Ader. But now there is a problem. Ader's 42-year-old husband Shomer, who changed his name from Mark, got a new U.S. passport in Jerusalem recently so he could fly back to the United States to visit his mother. He is stuck in Germany trying to return to the Promised Land because the Israeli authorities, waging a pre-millennium crackdown on fringe cultists, refuse to allow him back in. The crisis means the Whites have had to borrow a mobile telephone to stay in touch and Ader says it is all because her husband had his passport photograph taken. "My husband is in the Valley of Decision," she said. "Yehoah is saying to him: 'If you want to stand before my throne you can't do it with a picture."' FOCUS-Anti-WTO protests turn violent in Britain (Previous -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing!
[CTRL] U.S. Embassy in Cambodia on high alert
-Caveat Lector- >From Deseret News, http://www.deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,145007427,00.html? - Tuesday, November 30, 1999 U.S. Embassy in Cambodia is on high alert PHNOM PENH, Cambodia (AP) The U.S. Embassy in Cambodia is on heightened alert after a report that Islamic extremist Osama bin Laden is allegedly planning terrorist activity in Cambodia, embassy officials said Tuesday. The number of staff has been reduced and several embassy services suspended while the U.S. government assesses the credibility of the threat, publicized in an obscure English-language newspaper, the Vision. "This purported threat is directed only at selected diplomatic missions and not at the public at large," an embassy notice said. "The threat is allegedly sourced to an Islamic extremist group linked to terrorist bin Laden, accused of masterminding the two U.S. embassy bombings in Africa in August 1998." The Vision quoted unnamed "diplomatic and foreign military intelligence sources" as saying bin Laden aims to set up training camps where the Thai, Laotian and Cambodian borders meet. The sources said he would be getting help from Islamic Thai separatist guerrillas and remnants of Cambodian resistance groups. The report also claims three foreign embassies in Phnom Penh have been targeted for terrorist attacks because of their nations' conflicts with Islamic countries or organizations. U.S. officials declined to elaborate on the veracity of the report, but indicated the Vision was not the sole source of the alleged threat. One official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the Indian and Russian embassies are among the other alleged terrorist targets. The Cambodian government also downplayed the report, but is nonetheless playing it safe by ordering police and military to tighten security in the capital and survey remote border regions. "It would surprise me if bin Laden would come here to Cambodia, or even to this region. But we have to wait for the police investigation," government spokesman Khieu Kanharith said. Bin Laden, a Saudi exile believed to be living in Afghanistan, is accused by the United States of masterminding last year's U.S. embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania. The explosions killed 224 people. The Thai-Cambodian border has been the traditional base of Cambodian guerrilla groups, especially the ultra-communist Khmer Rouge, who fought from the jungles along the border after their ouster from power in 1979. The Khmer Rouge movement blamed for the deaths of 1.7 million Cambodians during its rule in the late 1970s crumbled late last year, but the border remains a remote and lawless frontier strewn with land mines and exploited by smugglers. Cambodia has a small population of Muslim Chams. They have not been connected to any terrorist or extremist activity in recent memory. Thailand's Islamic separatists occasionally explode small bombs, but their operations are confined to the extreme south along the border with Malaysia. -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Eagle 1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Dan S, > Where in the world did you ever get the idea that the man Jesus was executed > for treason? I'd like to hear your side of the folklore... can't say I've > ever heard THIS story before. I didn't. It was contained within a message to which I was replying. -- Dan S. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Robots Smarter than Humans are Roami ng the Net?
-Caveat Lector- > In a message dated 11/29/99 1:40:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > What intrigued me about "The Matrix" (aside from the effects, which were > > spectacular and quite mindblowing) was the suggestion that there were still > > deeper levels of reality to penetrate before reaching the "*real* Real > > World." I think that we are all plugged into the matrix -- that the brain acts partly as a central interface unit that has access to what is just yet another word for the 'other' reality. We don't perceive that reality, because we are limited by our five senses, but it is there "like a splinter in our minds" (etc..) This is why use of the "sixth sense" (which is probably not a sense, but really just currently limited access to a whole other whopping reality in which the past, present and future of earth is one thing,) enables everyone the ability of "intuition," "remote viewing," etc. to some degree or another. "The Matrix" was also the term coined by the CIA-sponsored Remote Viewing program for the place from which information is derived. It was defined then as "something from within which something else takes form, or develops." -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: YnrChyldzWyld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Whatever you choose to believe about Jesus, This is great. It is followed up by a belief about Jesus.. >bottom line is you still > worship the ghost of a Jew who was executed for treason 2000 years ago, You are entitled to your opinion. >and that my dear man, is superstition... Yes, I think that your opinion is just a susperstition as well. Nice wording.. -- Dan S. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Pakistan not Y2K ready
-Caveat Lector- >From Nando Media, http://www.nando.net/noframes/story/0,2107,500062879-500103959-500457354-0,0 0.html - Y2K trouble predicted for Pakistan's vital services Copyright © 1999 Nando Media Copyright © 1999 Associated Press By KATHY GANNON ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (November 29, 1999 3:28 p.m. EST http://www.nandotimes.com) - Pakistan is not prepared for the millennium computer bug and could face a serious disruption of vital services, the head of the country's Y2K team warned Monday. Ijaz Khawaja said none of Pakistan's airports have fully converted their equipment and computers to guarantee a smooth transition when computer clocks turn from 1999 to 2000. Moreover, the power grid in Pakistan's largest city and life-sustaining devices at most hospitals could fail. "First we had no money. Then we found the money, but we had no people. And now if you could give me all the money and all the people, we don't have enough time," Khawaja told The Associated Press. International analysts generally classify Pakistan among the bulk of developing countries in terms of Y2K readiness - with a moderate risk of serious disruption of unforeseeable scope and duration. But Pakistan's situation is in one sense singular: It has just been jolted by a military coup. Pakistan's Y2K preparation was painfully slow under Premier Nawaz Sharif's tenure. When the military deposed him and took control on Oct. 12, all Y2K efforts froze, Khawaja said. He said the nation's financial institutions, telecommunications and rail system are Y2K compliant. And the Civil Aviation Authority promises the airports will be ready by the end of the first week in December. "But that doesn't give much time for testing, and we're still not sure that they will be able to meet that deadline," he said. The airports have missed every deadline so far, beginning with a Sept. 30 deadline when airports worldwide were to be Y2K compliant. The national carrier, Pakistan International Airlines, may ground all its flights from 6 p.m. Dec. 31 until noon Jan. 1, Khawaja said. "Aviation is an area of very grave concern to us," he said. Elsewhere, the Karachi Electric Company has been unable to fix one of its main generating stations to ensure it won't have problems. The company supplies electricity to Karachi, the industrial and manufacturing heart of Pakistan and the home to 14 million people. The problem could black out the entire city, Khawaja said. The contingency plan is to supply Karachi from the national power grid. There is enough surplus electricity available, but Khawaja said the request will have to be made well before Dec. 31. Much of the equipment in government-run hospitals is not threatened by the millennium bug because it does not contain computer chips. But some is at risk and "much of that equipment is life-sustaining," Khawaja said. "We're telling hospitals to make alternate arrangements now if they have equipment about which they are not sure," he said. Khawaja said his team received full assurances from the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission that Pakistan's one nuclear power plant is ready for Y2K. But there was no information from the defense establishment in Pakistan, which last year declared itself a nuclear-weapons state. "The defense people don't talk," said Khawaja. "But the message we are getting is that they are ready and that they have taken care of everything." -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Heat Fries Y2K Film Web Host
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>From Wired News, http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,32772,00.html
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Heat Fries Y2K Film Web Host
by Craig Bicknell
1:05 p.m. 29.Nov.1999 PST
Mark Wieger has had a crappy couple of weeks.
First, the FBI called and asked real nice-like if maybe he could pull a
Y2K-disaster spoof video that lived on his one-man Web hosting company's
servers. Maybe the FBI didn't like the spoof so much, capiche?
He didn't have a lawyer or a dime, so he pulled the site while he tried to
figure what in the legal hell was going on.
Then the real enforcers stepped in -- online free-speech advocates. They
bombarded Wieger's inbox with brutal flame mail after the story of his FBI
encounter went public.
"I've received hundreds and hundreds of emails, and they all say something
like, 'You should have stood up for yourself, you spineless bastard,'" said
Wieger.
The same emails went to Wieger's clients, and some of them have threatened
to cancel their accounts. "It's just 'Cut us off at the knees.' They're
killing my business because of this."
Never mind that Wieger put the offending video back online after he learned
it overstepped no legal bounds ("We put the site back up as soon as we found
out the [threat of legal action] was bullshit."). Never mind that the artist
who made the spoof video said to blame the FBI, not Wieger. Too late.
"I have put my life on the line several times for [free speech] and all the
freedoms guaranteed under the US Constitution," one angry advocate wrote
Wieger. "You were not given a court order. You just got scared for your
mortgage and your Lexus payment and are in that light a coward."
"Lexus payment!" laughs Wieger, whose company has "considerably less" than
50 clients. "Give me a break! I have a seven-year-old van. They're making it
out like we're AOL and we're censoring people's content."
Let's turn the wrath on the appropriate villains, Wieger pleaded.
"The FBI and the US Attorney's office basically lied to us," he said. "They
said, 'It's our job to make sure that propaganda like this isn't on the
Internet and doesn't start riots. We've already contacted your upstream
service provider, and if you don't pull [the video site] down, they'll pull
it down.'"
It turns out, says Wieger, that the upstream provider had refused to pull
the site, and the FBI was bluffing. Wieger couldn't reach the right person
upstream, so he pulled the site while he waited for clarification.
"I've got a one-man company. I can't afford lawyers," Wieger said. "I tried
to call [Zieper, the video's creator], too, but I couldn't get through. We
feared the worst, that he'd been arrested and was already in an orange
suit."
Zieper, it turns out, had locked away his computer and taken his family out
of the city.
"The [free speech advocates] are saying, 'Why didn't [Wieger] stand up for
the Constitution?'" Zieper said. "I think that's very easy to say from afar.
But when the knock comes for you, it's a terrifying experience."
The FBI, meanwhile, maintains that it did nothing inappropriate.
"There was no formal request to modify or to remove the site," said Jim
Margolin, a special agent with the New York office of the FBI.
Well, what was there, then?
"I'm not at liberty to discuss it in great detail," said Margolin, adding
that the FBI is continuing to investigate the video and its origins. "We
feel that we've taken action that is appropriate. We want to emphasize that,
consistent with the constitutional rights afforded everyone, we've
undertaken an investigation after receiving complaints from the public."
What if the video had been the work of some rogue government agency or a
terrorist militia group? Margolin asks. "We certainly would be remiss if we
get one or more reports and did nothing about it," he said.
With the video again streaming from his servers, Wieger is awaiting another
call from the FBI. Inspired by the nasty comments in his email inbox, he's
been practicing his free speech.
"I'm going to tell the FBI, 'Fuck you! You've probably cost us our business,
you assholes!'"
--
Dan S
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[CTRL] Y2K "ZONE WATCH"
-Caveat Lector- Excerpted from http://www.jrwhipple.com/z2k - Sponsored By: J.R. Whipple & Associates Over 24 Years in the Computer Business The Center for Real-Time Results of Y2K Spam Notice Please read this if you are considering spaming our list! By December 31st of 1999 Zone 2000 will have people in each of the 24 time zones around the world. They will be online and sending us reports of what's happening as a result of the year 2000 rollover in their part of the planet. With the gracious help of our volunteers we will offer you a timely picture of the post Y2K state of our world . Shortly after local midnight some areas of the world may suffer power outages or other infrastructure failures. Other areas may experience civil unrest or other troubles. Still others may suffer no more than a little too much partying. Whatever the result, we will keep you advised from the fingertips of actual citizens in these places. Want to join our list of participants and send reports from your corner of the planet? Click Here. Whether you live just down the street or half way around the world, we want to hear from you. Don't wait till the last minute. Join now and avoid the rush! NOTICE: You will need to be a participant to view the reports as they are posted by our volunteers. Signup now! We may be way too busy on or around January 1 to accept new participants. Set a bookmark or "favorites" now, so you can easily find this page in the future. There are 24 time zones, running from pole to pole, around the globe. Time zone 1 is usually expressed as the Prime Meridian in Greenwich England. Times are measured from Greenwich, at noon local time, GMT "Greenwich Mean Time". This does us little good in tracking the progress of the new millennium, so we will number the time zones from the International Date Line (the opposite side of the earth from Greenwich England). Each new day is born in New Zealand and Fiji, and races west at about one thousand miles per hour, (1600 Kilometers Per hour). The following is a list of time zones and the countries and major cities within each. Notice that the left column Zone starts at zero, the time when the new millennium first hits. An hour later it arrives at the next place and so forth for the next 23 hours. The Time at 1st. Midnight column lists the local time when the New Year arrives in the zero zone (New Zealand). So if you live on the West Coast of North America and wish to get up at 4:00AM on December the 31st you can read the reports as they start coming in from New Zealand. News & Alerts Click the above if you are a Zone 2000 member Time & Date References Earth View Y2K-Homestead LINK to US Want to know what time it will be at your location when midnight arrives in Western Europe? Find the Time at 1st. Midnight for your location then add the number found in the Zone for Western Europe. So, if you are located on the East Coast of the United States 8:00AM then find Western Europe's zone 11 then add them. 8:00AM plus 11 hours would be 7:00PM. Western Europe's Midnight happens at 7:00PM your time. You can use this technique to find when the new year will arrive anywhere on earth. Join Here Post a Report -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] World's Exchanges Hunker Down for Y2K
-Caveat Lector- >From Fox Market Wire, http://www.foxmarketwire.com/wires/1129/f_rt_1129_1.sml - World's Exchanges Hunker Down for Y2K 1.18 a.m. ET (0618 GMT) November 29, 1999 LONDON The New York Stock Exchange's Web site offers a sobering reminder of the legal and technical havoc that Y2K could wreak, even though the world's biggest bourse says all millennium tests have been successful. The NYSE begins its millennium section by telling investors how to contact the exchange's lawyer for prelitigation notices, as required under America's Y2K Act to limit damage claims. Wall Street is, nevertheless, gearing up for what it hopes will be just another session when it kicks off the new millennium. "Based on what we have done, we expect it to be business as usual for individual investors on January 3rd,'' said Margaret Draper of the U.S. Securities Industry Association, or SIA. The association represents 98 percent of the U.S. securities business and has worked on the Y2K issue with U.S. exchanges, and regulators at the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. The SIA and others prefer talking about due diligence and tests when discussing Y2K, and steadfastly avoid guaranteeing that all will be well. "We have never issued a definition of compliance or seal of approval, but what I can say is that they have all participated in a thorough testing program,'' Draper said. "The links with overseas have been checked -- we have seen an enormous upswing in preparedness in Europe.'' GUESSING ON THE GLITCHES Bourses and other market participants say testing has been done and have moved to guessing which glitches may crop up. The Paris-based Federation of International Stock Exchanges (FIBV) said it could not issue a collective clean bill of millennium health as this made some national lawyers nervous. "We got blocked by a couple of lawyers on that because of the risk of liability,'' said Thomas Krantz, FIBV deputy secretary general. The FIBV represents 54 of the world's top bourses and almost all global stock market capitalization. "Everything you can do internally has been tested on a stand-alone basis, but exchanges are anything but stand-alone as they depend on so many linkages with other things,'' Krantz said. January 3 will not just be about getting the exchanges to operate smoothly -- it's also about making sure there are enough market participants to ensure proper share prices, Krantz said. "Will things work in January? Yes, probably,'' Krantz said. "Will there be some problems? Probably, but I would imagine only temporary outages.'' EUROPEAN EXCHANGES LESS RETICENT In Europe's less legalistic culture, the region's bourses and futures exchanges, represented by the Federation of European Stock Exchange and the European Committee on Futures and Options Exchanges, are not so reticent as their U.S. counterparts. "FESE and Ecofex member exchanges believe that they have taken the appropriate steps to put them in a position of readiness for the millennium change,'' the two organizations said in a joint statement. One of Europe's biggest bourses was equally clear. "The Year 2000 simulation was completely successful and exceeded even our already high expectations,'' Deutsche Boerse management board member Michael Kuhn said. Europeans say their switch to the euro currency last year was a good experience in making the millennium change. CUSTODIANS AND CLEARERS ALSO SEEN READY Global custodians and clearers also say they are ready. "Being an optimist, I would say we don't expect any problems, and so far everything has gone very smoothly,'' said David Hardman, senior vice-president at Standard Chartered bank and a member of Custody 2000 steering committee. Custody 2000 has 38 members comprising custodians, the big investment banks and regional sub-custodians which hold shares on behalf of investors. "But the panic buttons will be hit if there are rumors that a certain bank in a certain country is not ready,'' Hardman said. "The group has moved on from testing to prepare event management.'' International clearer Euroclear, a Custody 2000 member, said all testing was completed. "Compliance issues are at comfort levels and we have also resolved our contingency plans,'' said a Euroclear spokesman. In case the Y2K bug cripples transport and other public services, many bourses will have staff on site throughout the millennium weekend to tackle glitches. Some bourses have caterers in case nearby restaurants and delis let them down and leave staff hungry. "The key to success of transition is not only doing thorough testing but also to be prepared for any of the little © 1999, News America Digital Publishing, Inc. d/b/a Fox Market Wire. All ri
[CTRL] Crowning the pyramid
-Caveat Lector- >From http://www.ahram.org.eg/weekly/1999/457/tr1.htm - Al-Ahram Weekly 25 Nov. - 1 Dec. 1999 Issue No. 457 Crowning the pyramid By Nevine El-Aref The masonic pyramid drawn on the dollar; the Great Pyramid of Khufu at the Giza Plateau Against a backdrop of allegations of a Zionist link, the Giza plateau is a hive of activity, with the Ministry of Culture and the Supreme Council of Antiquities (SCA) busy preparing for the millennium celebrations - the highlight of which will be the capping of the pyramid of Khufu. But, with the event lying just around the corner, some fundamental matters need addressing, not least of which is how to get the multitude of expected visitors onto the plateau and how to place the nine-metre-high, gold-plated capstone atop the lofty monument. "Preparations are in full swing to meet the deadline; only 51 days left," said Zahi Hawass, director-general of the Giza plateau. "Areas on the plateau are being prepared to accommodate the vast numbers expected to attend and new entrance gates are being opened, as well as a parking area and other facilities, including a small bookshop," said Hawass. Meanwhile, research is being carried out by the SCA in collaboration with the Remote Sensing and Space Science Authority and the Egyptian military forces to assess the condition of the great stones on the face of the pyramid and determine the best method to place the cap. "Archaeologists are registering the number of blocks on the surface at the top of the pyramid and documenting graffiti found on the top. Some were written by visitors during the last century and some are very amusing," said Hawass. He added that they include love verses, the will of someone who climbed to the top and committed suicide and the names of two lovers who kissed and recorded their feelings for all eternity. Countless suggestions have been made on how best to lift the golden pyramidion and place it in position. "The most feasible idea up till now is that the piece be divided into two parts. First, a five-metre-high square mastaba (layer) will be placed over a protective base at the top of the pyramid to protect its surface. Then, the top four metres could be fabricated of any lightweight material over an iron frame. This upper portion only will be gold-plated," Hawass added. "The millennium performance is inspired by celebrations held by the Pharaohs after the completion of their great funerary complexes," said Hawass. "The building of a pyramid was a national project in which all strata of society were brought into requisition and the completion of a great monument towering on top of the plateau was a symbol of power, strength and national unity," he said. This is in sharp contrast to some allusions on the Internet and in opposition newspapers that the planned celebration supports Jewish and Masonic ideas. "The suggestion is groundless," said Hawass. "The celebration has nothing to do with Masonic beliefs. The design on the US dollar is a faulty imitation of the pyramids of the Middle Kingdom." Hawass went on to explain that an important relief was found four years ago in a tomb in Abusir, beside the pyramid of the Middle Kingdom Pharaoh Amenemhat. "It showed a number of workers pulling a pyramidion bearing hieroglyphic text which revealed the name as Ben-Bit and showed that it was covered with gold. Our millennium celebration will show the world that the idea of the pyramidion is a genuine Pharaonic tradition and it is as old as the pyramids of Giza themselves." Conspiracy theories aside though, another point of considerable concern is how the plateau can be accessed by such a large number of people. This will be from a new entrance located on the Cairo-Fayoum road, not the Mena House entrance which will, apparently, be closed for good. Stables for horses and camels will be relocated near the new entrance, outside the archaeological area. New tombs of high-ranking officials and the Valley Temple of the Sphinx have been officially opened after restoration and are sure to attract countless visitors in the next millennium. -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ===
[CTRL] Clinton set to declare Y2K national emergency
ver sequence with special emphasis on what could happen when, as midnight and subsequent critical periods such as business hours, opening of financial markets, etc., follow the timeline westward. We invite you to help identify the high probability and high-risk items that might occur, by time zone, both for use in the exercise and to help prepare us all," requested Kind. Past exercises conducted by FEMA and other emergency organizations have always stressed that they do not know what problems to expect when the New Year begins. "In order to make the December exercise as realistic as possible, we ask that you provide your ICC core staff contact with your best estimates of possible incidents, anomalies or other systems operation events most likely to be seen during the Millennium Rollover (sic). Receipt of this type information by November 24 will ensure that it will be incorporated into the exercise scenarios when and where appropriate," said the instructions to ICC staff. "We are hoping for the best, but taking necessary and prudent steps to prepare for any contingencies," said Suiter. Although emergency planners may be planning for the worst, their Y2K preparation materials provided to the public do not suggest that the general public take the same precautions. The Federal Emergency and Management Agency and Red Cross Y2K disaster planning guides recommend preparations that, in effect, advise the public to have a 72-hour kit similar to what would be needed for a winter storm. The Information Coordination Center is scheduled to be staffed 24 hours a day beginning Dec. 28 and continuing at least until Jan. 7. Plans include an option to extend the date if the national emergency continues. Virtually all federal employees, including FBI and members of the military, have had vacation time canceled to enable them to be ready for action if needed. Civil agencies all across the country have issued similar restrictions for police, fire and other vital services to be on call or on duty. "The emergency management community may be facing a potential disruption scenario that it has not dealt with before: simultaneous disruptions in all 50 States and six territories that may require federal emergency declarations. In addition, we may have numerous weather-related major disaster declarations to address during this time frame," explained Suiter. John Koskinen, head of the President's Council on the Year 2000 Conversion, is concerned there may be problems caused inadvertently. He is warning people not to pick up the phone just after the start of the New Year and make a call "just to see if it works." He said too many attempts to make calls all at the same time would shut down the entire phone system. He also warned that the public may be fooled by normal failures and think they are caused by the Y2K computer bug. ATM cash machines, phone service and electric services all have localized failures on a regular basis. One of those types of failures may happen right on Jan. 1 and create a mistaken belief that a Y2K failure has occurred when it really has not. "The presumption is to blame all failures on Y2K that weekend," Koskinen said, and Bennett agreed. He said the public must help to reduce the demand on the system at a difficult time. WorldNetDaily has learned that a computer hacker was able to alter the website run by the Commerce Department recently. A message was displayed that said: "Run for your lives! Hit your computer's power button and never turn it on again." The hacker was reported to be making a statement about potential Y2K problems and trying to illustrate weaknesses in the government computer system that would permit a computer terrorist access to government systems. The hacker identified himself only as "Comdex0r." Koskinen said there are many such attacks on government computers all the time. He said hackers will be easily detected during the Y2K rollover period because there will be tighter security at that time. Koskinen asked "recreational hackers" to stay away during the date change rather than complicate what is anticipated to be a difficult time for government agencies. "This is not the best time to do that," Koskinen said. David M. Bresnahan is an investigative journalist for WorldNetDaily.com -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denia
[CTRL] Kashmir: Flashpoint for NUKE WAR
-Caveat Lector- >From CANOE, http://www.canoe.ca/CalgaryNews/906_n2.html - November 28, 1999 Fuse lit on hi-tech powderkeg New book by Sun's Margolis details world's most dangerous flashpoint By PAUL JACKSON -- Calgary Sun Canada's top foreign correspondent believes the flashpoint for the start of a nuclear war is the remote province of Kashmir. And if -- when -- India and Pakistan start hitting the nuclear buttons, there will be 100 million dead and injured and the entire planet will be contaminated. "There'll be nuclear dust falling in Calgary," says Eric Margolis, who explains his contentions in a new book, War at the Top of the World: The Clash for Mastery of Asia (Key Porter Books, $29.95). Margolis' work appears regularly in such newspapers as the New York Times, Wall Street Journal and International Herald Tribune, and, of course, he appears in the Sunday Sun every week. Not for nothing is he the envy of every foreign correspondent and would-be foreign correspondent. Though his exploits are legendary -- he's dodged bullets and bombs on a regular basis -- he's affable and charming when he sits down for a chat. If there is any scar-tissue from adventures in the ditches and dikes of the world's hotspots, it doesn't show. When I tell Margolis few people in the West know anything about the dispute between India and Pakistan over Kashmir, he replies: "There's a Roman saying that war teaches geography. Very few people knew much about the Balkans until war broke out there in 1991-92." Since then the ramifications of the breakup of Yugoslavia have dominated headlines month after month and year after year. The NATO assault on Serbian aggression in Kosovo matched the campaign to drive Saddam Hussein's troops out of Saudi Arabia. As Margolis details his gripping scenario -- he says his book is a primer or a roadmap to south Asia -- he points out the region is the second-largest English-speaking area in the world and by 2010, its population will surpass that of China. And that's where another wrinkle comes into the picture, because India and China are in a race for superpower supremacy and both now have nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles to deliver them. No wonder Margolis thinks we should be on the edge of our seats and biting our nails over the region. Yet, most of us are ignorant of what is building up and we're in for a rude awakening. Especially since the scenario is moving so quickly. In 1998, both India and Pakistan shocked the world when they conducted nuclear tests. This year both tested medium-range weapons. Margolis believes if India launches a conventional attack, Pakistan will have to go nuclear because its own conventional forces will be so overwhelmed. If this seems alarmist, remember NATO stills hold a similar first-strike nuclear policy. "The Central Intelligence Agency has already documented the confrontation between India and Pakistan over Kashmir is the world's most dangerous dispute, and has assessed a 'high' rating as to the probability of a nuclear war breaking out there." "With only three minutes warning of a missile launch by either side, it's a hair-trigger situation. There will simply be no time for either side to have second thoughts about what may be happening and how to respond to it." That the conflict is escalating with long-range planning is also evidenced by India's determination to build submarines with the capability of launching nuclear-tipped missiles. Peace seems to be the last thing on India's mind. But then, with China now being India's principal enemy, and flexing its muscles, India can hardly remain calm. Into this potent mix Margolis throws in Russia, which also has historic interests in the area, and though bankrupt, still wants to be seen as a global power. Being bankrupt, and with a military in disarray, Moscow would also be tempted to wield power through its arsenal of nuclear weapons. Margolis' book is as terrifying as any doomsday movie and as fascinating as any A&E or PBS documentary. You finish it wondering how on earth we are going to get out of this crisis. Probably not unscathed. -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat L
[CTRL] What Bin Laden Did on His Summer Vacation
-Caveat Lector- >From TIME, http://www.pathfinder.com/time/daily/0,2960,35050-101991128,00.html - What Bin Laden Did on His Summer Vacation TIME Notebook: The CIA thinks he could have been helping to spark the latest conflict in Chechnya Evidence is piling up that Osama Bin Laden, the Islamic terror leader Washington considers International Enemy No. 1, may have helped spark Russia's latest brutal war in Chechnya. Behind the scenes, U.S. and Russian counterterrorism officials have been sharing intelligence that points to Bin Laden's having an indirect hand in some of the five bombings in Moscow and other Russian cities last August and September. Moscow launched its military offensive to crush Chechen terrorists after those attacks. The CIA has intelligence that Bin Laden operatives have been in Chechnya training Muslim fighters in guerrilla tactics. And the mixture of chemicals that Russian investigators found in some of the blasts matches the brew mixed by bombers-in-training at his camp in Afghanistan. "There are some strings that connect here," a U.S. intelligence official tells TIME. "Some of the bombs in Russia were consistent with what Bin Laden bombers use." DOUGLAS WALLER -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Suspicion follows Rev. Moon to S. Africa
icted of tax evasion in 1982, and where he has been the subject of embarrassing books and news reports that his son and heir was addicted to cocaine and abused his wife. While he was once believed to have about 30,000 followers in the United States, the current number of church members is believed to be about one-tenth that number. But Zaduski said Moon's interest in South America resulted from a desire to focus on the Roman Catholic world, after emerging from a Confucian and Buddhist environment and spending a long time in a predominantly Protestant atmosphere. No place, he added, has a larger concentration of Roman Catholics than South America, in particular in the region of the customs union called Mercosur, which consists of Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay, Uruguay, Bolivia and Chile. "What unites South America is Mercosur, and what is the heart of Mercosur?" he asked. "This region here, where you can build a project that goes beyond borders. If we can build something here that works, it can be an example to many other parts of South America." In recent years, Moon has been active in Uruguay, Brazil's southern neighbor -- so much so that the capital, Montevideo, is now derisively called Moontevideo by some. There, the sect has acquired the luxury Victoria Plaza Hotel, operates the newspaper Tiempos del Mundo and retains an interest in a bank, Banco de Credito, in which the government intervened last year after complaints of irregularities. Here, Moon built up good will early on by donating ambulances to mayors, sponsoring barbecues for residents and making donations to political campaigns. He also opened a school on his New Hope property, invited local children to enroll and even offered to provide transportation from their homes. But relations are now openly hostile. "When they first began acquiring property here, we expected that they would promote and contribute to the prosperity of our region by generating jobs and taxes," said Marcio Campos Monteiro, the mayor of Jardim, a town of 21,000 people. "But all they seem to be doing is stockpiling land, without producing anything or hiring from the local labor force." Monteiro contends that Moon's presence here has actually hurt the local economy. The sect now owns 10 percent of the county, he said, and government revenues have dropped because he has withdrawn so much land from production and the tax rolls, claiming a religious exemption. The New Hope site includes at least 20 buildings, but has less than 200 permanent residents and many of those who work there are Korean, Japanese, American and European volunteers who rarely leave the compound and come for 40-day courses of instruction, paying their own way as well as making donations. Civic and church groups have also begun to complain loudly, and have even charged that local youths are being recruited and sent off for indoctrination in Sao Paulo, where the sect has its Brazilian headquarters. Though local police declined to discuss the matter, there are also complaints that converts are being held against their will at New Hope. "I recently had two young people who had run away from New Hope come in here seeking help in getting back home to Pernambuco," 1,500 miles away, said Bruno Padron, the Roman Catholic bishop here. "They focus on the poor and the needy, and once they have them in their family, they refuse to let them go." Recent reports in the Brazilian news media have also suggested that the sect may be involved in drug trafficking and other forms of contraband smuggling across the notoriously porous border with Paraguay in order to generate revenues. Miranda dos Santos would say only that "the federal government is looking into those questions." Zaduski dismissed such accusations as "crazy stories" and illogical. "Rev. Moon comes here quite often, so if his people were doing something illegal, he would not want to be so close," he said. "That would be stupid, because he is a big target." Despite the increasingly tense atmosphere here, Moon apparently plans to plunge ahead. In September, the government extended Moon's visa for two more years. "He is really amazed by the way nature here is so pristine," Zaduski said. "He wants the entire world to understand that the heavenly father wants this treasure to be kept for all mankind, and that is why he is putting so much of his own time and guidance into this." -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said
[CTRL] Arms experts cite minor possibility of Y2K missile launch
for the Clinton administration or Congress and some at universities, have said recently that their contacts in Russia have dried up because Russian intelligence agents have told scientists to cease contacts with Americans. In the past month, the possible Y2K threat has galvanized many antinuclear activists, including Helen Caldicott, author Jonathan Schell and former arms negotiator Paul Nitze, who have called on Clinton in full-page newspaper advertisements to ``de-alert'' thousands of nuclear missiles. De-alerting literally means taking missiles off high alert, removing the hair trigger by dismantling missile components. ``As long as the U.S. and Russia see each as potential adversaries, this is going to be the situation'' of missiles on hair-trigger, said Theodore Postol, professor of science, technology and national security policy at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. ``That will also be the situation if one side sees itself as vulnerable to a damaging strike.'' That now would be Russia, because its nuclear forces are ``extremely vulnerable to a U.S. strike,'' Postol said. Many Russian nuclear missiles are either in silos or are collected together in corrugated steel buildings, making them a possible lucrative target in a nuclear war. Many U.S. nuclear missiles, in comparison, are on submarines, which can evade detection. A U.S. arms-control official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said de-alerting would be extremely difficult in practice because of the difficulty of verification. ``You have to imagine all sorts of shenanigans there would be over verification,'' the official said. ``Once you mention the word `verification,' the idea loses some of its attractiveness.'' But for some arms-control analysts, there seems little reason to keep so many missiles on high alert a decade after the fall of the Berlin Wall. ``What's the threat? Does anybody think there is going to be a bolt-out-of-the-blue attack?'' said Joseph Cirincione, senior associate at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, a Washington think tank. ``Does anyone believe that the Russians would do this for some reason, that they would try to do a pre-emptive strike? I think it's just insane at this point.'' Blair, the Brookings analyst who has had extensive contacts with Russian counterparts, said while both the United States and Russia find a pre-emptive strike scenario ``bizarre,'' the issue cannot be totally dismissed because of Russia's rising distrust of the United States. Asked if the Y2K doomsday scenario, which has been so roundly dismissed by U.S. officials, was cause for losing sleep, Blair did not respond reassuringly. ``Why should you sleep at night? Why should you sleep if nobody knows? Maybe you need a sleeping pill,'' he said. ``You can hope and trust that the probability is extremely small. But we certainly don't know that.'' -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Y2K May Spark Downturn - U.S. Senate Panel
el cited Italy as a particular concern, partly because of the throngs expected to converge on the Vatican to mark the 2,000th anniversary of the birth of Christ. Specific areas of concern are water, electric utilities, transportation, airports and, ``appearing weakest,'' Y2K preparation of hospital equipment, the report said. The panel faulted an initial series of State Department country-by-country Y2K summaries as ``rather general, with little to distinguish one country from another.'' The State Department summaries were released on Sept. 14 after two sets of government-to-government consultations. Russia was likely to experience a month of disruptions in financial markets, two months for utilities and health care and up to three months of turmoil in transport and communications, the panel cited one assessment as saying and Meyer said it ''generally'' agrees with that assessment. China appears to be very poorly prepared as well, the panel said. ``Because of improper planning, insufficient resources and a very late start ... the committee believes that a substantial portion of Chinese companies and the government will experience several failures,'' it said. China may also be haunted because as much as 95 percent of its software ``is thought to be pirated,'' the committee said. ''This could prevent Chinese companies from receiving technical support from suppliers.'' -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FBI WARNED PREZ OF NEW FALN TERROR
-Caveat Lector- >From the NY Post, http://www.nypost.com/news/14397.htm - FBI WARNED PREZ OF NEW FALN TERROR By BRIAN BLOMQUIST WASHINGTON - FBI Director Louis Freeh warned President Clinton the Puerto Rican militants he was freeing "would likely" return to their violent ways, new papers reveal. Freeh warned that clemency "would likely return committed, experienced, sophisticated and hardened terrorists to the clandestine movement" known as the Armed Forces for National Liberation (FALN in Spanish), a group responsible for 130 bombings and six deaths. Freeh's strongly worded advice, which came out yesterday at a congressional hearing on the FALN uproar, shows that Clinton knew that future violence was a risk when he freed the Puerto Rican terrorists. "Few of the current prisoners have expressed remorse for their crimes or for their victims; rather, most remained committed to violence as a means to achieve Puerto Rican independence," Freeh advised the Justice Department, which sent along his advice to the White House. White House spokesman Jim Kennedy responded that "these cases are inevitably difficult and often controversial - and on any given clemency case there is likely to be some in law enforcement who just say no. That's understandable and we respect that." Freeh revealed his advice on the FALN controversy in a letter to House Judiciary Committee Chairman Henry Hyde (R-Ill.). That letter was unsigned, undated and never sent to Hyde because Attorney General Janet Reno ordered that it stay secret, FBI spokesman Dave Miller said last night. But Miller confirmed the letter's authenticity and said Freeh wrote it within the past few weeks, as Clinton was weighing whether to invoke executive privilege to conceal papers and gag aides on why he granted clemency. Clinton claimed executive privilege last week. Freeh's letter was handed out by Rep. Henry Waxman, the top Democrat on the House Government Reform Committee, which held a hearing on the FALN controversy. Waxman also handed out a letter from Clinton offering his first detailed defense of his clemency offer. In a five-page letter to Waxman, Clinton wrote that "political considerations played no role in the process" - an effort to douse speculation that he originally agreed to the clemency offer to help Hillary Rodham Clinton pick up the Hispanic vote in her presumed New York Senate campaign. Clinton pinned some of the blame on his counsel, Charles Ruff, who recently left his White House job to go back to a private law practice. Ruff played a major role in getting Clinton acquitted in his Senate impeachment trial. "The timing of my decision was dictated by the fact that [Ruff] ... committed to many of those interested in this issue that he would consult with the Department of Justice and make a recommendation in early August," Clinton wrote to Waxman. Clinton said he freed the convicted terrorists because they would have received a more lenient sentence under the sentencing guidelines that started after they were jailed - but Clinton said he "rejected" the claim that they were "political prisoners." Also at yesterday's hearing, a top Bureau of Prisons official said the White House never asked the bureau for its advice on whether to grant clemency to the 16 terrorists. Michael Cooksey, the bureau's assistant director of corrections, said some of the terrorists had an "extreme propensity to violence or escape." Neil Gallagher, the FBI's assistant director of national security, said, "I think they are criminals. They are terrorists, and they represent a threat to the United States." -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Shunned Waco documentary now sees light
-Caveat Lector- >From http://www.freedomforum.org/professional/1999/9/21waco.asp - Shunned Waco documentary now sees light By Beverly Kees Pacific Coast Center 9.21.99 What do you think? Have your say in The Forum. Dan Gifford BERKELEY, Calif. Dan Gifford was Mr. Lonely Guy for a few years, even though his documentary film, Waco: The Rules of Engagement, had won an Academy Award nomination and later would win an Emmy. A few art houses ran the film. Most theaters shied away from it, no public relations firm wanted to handle it, most journalists ignored it. Gifford, the films executive producer, told the California First Amendment Assembly on Sept. 18 after a screening that he believed journalists ignored the documentary because most newsrooms are liberal, anti-gun and somewhat suspicious of deeply religious people. They didnt want to be seen siding with gun-toting wackos against the U.S. government. Few journalists these days have been in the military or handled firearms and they are extremely deferential to law enforcement in these matters, Gifford said. Giffords appearance at the Assembly was sponsored by The Freedom Forum Pacific Coast Center. The two-hour-plus documentary traces the history of the Branch Davidians and their beliefs and their violent, fatal encounters with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Four federal agents were killed when they stormed the sects Mount Carmel Center. Later 76 men, women and children who belong to the Branch Davidians were killed, although the FBI asserted at the time that its agents never fired a shot and that the sect members committed suicide. In recent weeks, an FBI agent has admitted that wasnt true. Giffords documentary, which premiered in January 1997 at the Sundance Film Festival, shows film of government tanks tearing out large sections of the centers walls and shooting in flammable tear gas; thermal film shows rapid-fire gunshots aimed at the center; other film shows corpses with parts of their bodies sheared off most likely by the tanks. The film contains interviews with a Texas coroner and Texas Rangers grumbling about the FBI taking and then losing evidence and destroying the crime scene. How was Gifford able to obtain this damning evidence that was never seen on television newscasts or in newspapers? From the Branch Davidians lawyers. Everything in the film was available in 1993, but politically no one cared, Gifford said. Anything that deviated from the official record was deemed not true. No one from the federal government would agree to be interviewed in the film, but there is a lot of footage of officials in news conferences and giving sworn testimony before Congress. The FBI is careful in its choice of language. What for 50 years had been the Mount Carmel Center became the compound, " Gifford said. "The Branch Davidians became a cult. The words were chosen to create a certain response and the news media picked them up, he said. Journalists were kept two to three miles away from the center and could not see what was happening in the rear. What, Gifford was asked at the Assembly screening, should journalists have done? Make yourself a pain in the ass. Thats what youre there for. You are the surrogate witness for everyone, he responded. Other Assembly participants asked if Janet Reno or congressional committee members attending the 1995 hearing on Waco had seen the documentary. Its available, but they dont want to see it. They dismiss it as Ah, that s just right-wing conspiracy stuff, he said, and dismiss him as a right-wing nut. Gifford, former newsman with ABC News, CNN and the "MacNeil-Lehrer Report" on PBS, is on the board of the American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California You know, he joked, that well-known right wing group. Ironically, Gifford is now a hero in militia circles, where federal law enforcement is held in contempt. One radio broadcaster happily assured Gifford that he was making copies of Waco and sending them to militias all over the country. But there is comfort for Gifford now. A week before the Assembly, he and his wife and business partner, Amy Sommer Gifford, were sharing their dinner table at a New York hotel with their newly won Emmy award for investigative journalism for the Waco documentary that aired on HBO. Strangers came up to have their pictures taken with the Giffords and the Emmy. Its not so lonely anymore. -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endo
[CTRL] FWD: Ian Goddard Waco Update
-Caveat Lector- From: Ian Goddard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: WACO UPDATE Folks, I cannot overemphasize the importance of the following. I have made a significant addition to the analysis of the officially declared origin of the first fire at Waco. FLIR expert Dr. Edward Allard opines that the first sign of fire appears to be on the outside, not inside, of the Mt Carmel Center. If it is inside, then it can be argued that the Davidians caused the fire, if outside, then the Federal Government is culpable. Added is a new analysis based on simple geometry which proves that the originating hot-spot is on the outside wall of the Center, consistent with an embedded pyrotechnic projectile. Verify this claim for yourself with FLIR images and graphics. This URL takes you directly to the new analysis: http://users.erols.com/igoddard/wacofire.htm#is If the page is new to you, start at the top: http://users.erols.com/igoddard/wacofire.htm Download the page, free to mirror unaltered: http://users.erols.com/igoddard/wacofire.zip Visit from time to time to check for updates. -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Pentagon Planners Mull Y2K Sneak Attack
-Caveat Lector- >From http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/19990921/ts/yk_usa_1.html - Tuesday September 21 2:56 PM ET Pentagon Planners Mull Y2K Sneak Attack By Jim Wolf WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Year 2000 computer glitch could open the door to a sneak attack on the United States, especially if many automated systems crash, the Defense Department said in a contingency-planning memo obtained Tuesday. To deal with such a threat, the Pentagon is working out worldwide staffing and emergency procedures to cope with vulnerabilities that could be caused by computer mix-ups, according to the memo from the Joint Chiefs of Staff dated Sept. 10. The document, sent to U.S. commanders worldwide, spelled out five alert levels to streamline the Defense Department's response. The highest, ``Y2K Posture Level One,'' would reply to ''widespread'' systems failures sparked by the century date change. It assumes that civilian authorities would seek military help to cope with disruptions. In such a case, ``deliberate information operations attacks and opportunistic engagements by hostile forces are possible,'' it said. ``Information operations attacks'' refers to computer-based efforts to knock out critical electronic infrastructure such as financial networks or military data banks. ``Opportunistic engagements'' means surprise attacks timed to cash in on any Y2K-related confusion in the United States, the world's most technologically dependent nation. Under such a Y2K-alert level, ``strict'' caps on communications throughout the Defense Department might be imposed, presumably for fear of playing into the hands of a foe seeking to take advantage of Y2K-related disruptions, the document said. The memo from the Joint Chiefs assigned the five unified regional war-fighting commands and military services the task of preparing troops, equipment and technical support personnel for five graduated Y2K-related potential threat levels. The military would adjust its year-end and early January operations on the basis of those Y2K ``vulnerability'' assessments, the document said. It said the alert level would be declared, as normal, by Defense Secretary William Cohen. If a threshold of perceived vulnerability is crossed because of systems failures, Cohen ``will declare a Y2K posture level and the department will respond by adjusting readiness postures accordingly.'' ``Recognizing the uniqueness of each Department of Defense organization, you should develop, promulgate and implement the corresponding Y2K readiness postures that best prepare your organization to cope with most probable Y2K consequences,'' the memo told commanders, service chiefs and Pentagon agency heads. Such preparations were a normal part of military contingency planning not unlike the five levels of readiness for a hurricane, said a spokesman for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Navy Lt. Cmdr. Jim Brooks. ``Preparing for Y2K is much like we would do for any potential threat out there,'' he said. Many military units have been conducting ``tabletop'' exercises to get ready for the Y2K glitch, which may scramble systems that have not been reprogrammed to recognize the century date change in 101 days. Such drills, partly to determine where to base equipment such as electric generators and emergency medical supplies, ''have already taken place and they are taking place,'' Brooks said. John Hamre, the deputy defense secretary in charge of Y2K at the Pentagon, is ``particularly interested in your assessment of the need to preposition'' personnel and equipment to cope with any Y2K problems, the memo said. -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Lie detection software
-Caveat Lector- Download lie detection software! http://www.filemine.com/filedownload?fileid=187411 Fortress Personal Lie Detector 1.2h Fortress Personal Lie Detector is a lie detector and has been featured in newspapers and magazines throughout the world including The New York Times and Time Magazine. Fortress Personal Lie Detector utilizes advanced voice stress analysis to analyze the nature of a given statement either in person or recorded off of virtually any media including radio, video tape, or television and works with any spoken language. Please read legal warnings before usage, not to be downloaded where prohibited by law because of politicians who do not want to be caught lying, or others. 15 day trial 34.95 to own -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Prozac found at Wedgwood Baptist killer's house
ed him to Wise County sheriff's deputies as a paranoid schizophrenic. But the state mental health system said last week that it had no record of any contact with Ashbrook. Krey said Ashbrook apparently was such a loner that few people have been found to help explain his activities. "I believe we won't find anybody because there is nobody to find. And that is consistent with the mental illness he appeared to be afflicted with," he said. Inside the church, Ashbrook fired all six rounds from a .380- caliber semiautomatic handgun, and then fired up to 50 more shots from a Ruger 9 mm semiautomatic pistol, officials said. Six of the seven people who died were killed by gunshot wounds in the head, autopsy reports show. The seventh was shot in the back. Ashbrook shot himself with the Ruger, police said. He was apparently alive in a back pew when paramedics rushed into the sanctuary, but was pronounced dead a short time later, police said. Justin Ray and a woman videotaped Ashbrook's rampage, police said. Officials in Forest Hill said Ashbrook may also have made a futile effort to contaminate the city's water system. "He put concrete in the commodes and, working for the city, I wanted to make sure he didn't do something else," Public Works Director Michael Duehring said. "I wanted to make sure he did not contaminate our water system. I can't go any further than that and tell you what he did, but he didn't do any damage." FBI officials inspected plumbing in Ashbrook's home Thursday but did not consider the threat serious, Poché said. "The agent said it looked like he was just trying to mess up the inside of the house," she said. "The agent who was out there said he had ripped off the shower head and neck and put one of those paper cones and a quart of motor oil to back down into the pipes. He said it was stuck in there still." Staff writers Bob Mahlburg and Carolyn Poirot contributed to this report. Kathy Sanders, (817) 390-7705 Send comments to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] CLINTON'S BIGGEST CRIME
-Caveat Lector- >From the NY Post, http://www.nypost.com/commentary/14277.htm - CLINTON'S BIGGEST CRIME By STEVE DUNLEAVY IT WON'T be hard to find Bill Clinton in New York today - just follow the traffic jams that his visits always produce. But don't look for his conscience. For the past 14 years, you wouldn't have been able to find it with AWAC radar and search parties. I am not talking about the scandals of lying to judges and juries, or low-jinks in high places, or Whitewater or Travelgate or Filegate. It has to do with a man called Wayne Dumond, over whose case I have agonized for long more than a decade. Dumond, now 52, was given conditional parole yesterday in Arkansas after having being sentenced to 50 years in jail for the rape of Clinton's cousin. That rape never happened. Is that just me saying so? No way. Some others who say so are: *The judge who sentenced Dumond under court guidelines to 50 years. In fact, the judge later quit the bench to become Dumond's lawyer to prove his innocence. *Dr. Moses Schanfield, who headed the Genetic Testing Center in Denver and did sperm tests on the so-called victim's jeans. "No way, zip, nada. No way Dumond was the donor of that sperm. It couldn't have happened in a million years." Schanfield was one of the experts sent to Bosnia to identify mystery graves. *Fred Odam, a retired Arkansas state police captain. He immersed himself in the case. He told me: "In all my time, this is the one case when I know a man is not guilty." *Veteran journalist Gene Wirges, 72, who now publishes the "Common Sense American" and has battled this travesty from Day One: "Very few people thought Wayne was guilty, but a lot thought the Clinton kin and clan had to have revenge ... against anyone - and Bill went along with the program." Despite the fact the Clinton cousin - whom I will not name, although The Associated Press has - failed to identify Dumond in two lineups, he was convicted. Despite the fact that she identified two other suspects, one an ex-boyfriend, Dumond was convicted Dumond will finally get out after nearly 14 years. Before Dumond turned himself in for his 50-year sentence, while awaiting surrender, something terrible happened. Two masked men burst into his house with a scalpel and surgical gloves and castrated him. You heard it right. The former Vietnam veteran and father of six was found hog-tied from a rafter by two of his schoolboy sons. Miraculously, he survived. A Clinton crony, Sheriff Coolidge Conlee, who also was a friend of the father of the Clinton cousin, had let the two animals out of jail to rob Dumond of his manhood. Sheriff Coolidge Conlee would die in jail after the feds nailed him for 60 years on a RICO charge. As Dumond was clinging to life in jail, the sheriff displayed his severed testicles in a jar on his desk. "I saw him pick them up and I saw the display," state police Capt. Odam has told me. As Dumond's testicles were on display on the sheriff's desk, something else happened. Dumond's house was torched to the ground. The father of the so-called rape victim was one of Clinton's biggest donors in his race for the Arkansas Governor's Mansion. When Dumond finally gets released next month, his wife, Dusty, will not be able to greet him. She died two years ago - after years of pleading with Clinton to review the case while he was governor. The man who, as president, would later grant clemency to FALN terrorists turned a deaf ear to her pleas. Whenever a reporter would ask Gov. Clinton about the case, he'd invariably respond: "I don't comment on those things." When pressed by other politicians, his response was: "The case [for a retrial or clemency] has no merit." Sounds like Clinton knew a bit about executive privilege a long time ago. I have in the past spoken to Wayne Dumond for hours in his cell, and, apart from never seeing his wife when he gets his freedom, he says: "No, I'm not bitter. I've learned a lot. I think I've become one of those computer nuts while in jail." We will be able to find Clinton today in New York. But who can find his conscience? -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's
[CTRL] Nation changing views on siege
tly complicit" with the FBI in its depiction of Koresh as a dangerous, heavily-armed lunatic and his followers as brain-washed robots, setting the stage for the standoff's final violent chapter. And he said the constant pressure from reporters during the siege to resolve the matter may have made authorities decide to use tear gas after vowing to rely on peaceful measures to end the standoff. "I think America has a bad conscience. They demonized the Branch Davidians so they won't have to face up to the fact that innocent women and children died in that fire," Stone said. "At some time in our history, we're going to have to face up to the fact that the Branch Davidians were just like the Mormons were 200 years ago, and we killed them or forced them into suicide, so this is a tragic chapter of American history, both for law enforcement and the media," he said. On the grassy rise east of Waco that once was the center of the universe for 150 Branch Davidians, all that remains of Mount Carmel are partial concrete slabs, charred wooden fragments and piles of rubble. Interpretative markers, such as one might find in any historical site, note the locations of the structure's front door, chapel, vault, men's dormitory and so forth. In a nearby field, 82 crepe myrtles grow in rows, each with a small granite stone bearing a name of one of the deceased Branch Davidians. Also on the grounds are stones commemorating the four ATF agents who died, as well as one for the men, women and children "who were victimized and brutally slaughtered in the bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building on April 19, 1995." Edna Doyle and her son Clive, who survived the fire, live in a doublewide trailer on the grounds and tend a small museum, which, as the guest book indicates, draws visitors from around the globe. Sunday, Sep 19, 1999 -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FBI revelations inspire skeptics
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FBI revelations inspire skeptics
By Maro Robbins
Express-News Staff Writer
They said it for years: Don't trust federal government; look at what
happened the to Branch Davidians. And now, perhaps, the nation seems ready
to listen.
Headlines are shouting questions about the 1993 Waco standoff that killed
four federal agents and about 80 sect members. Officials admit to using
unauthorized ammunition on the siege's last day and, among other snafus,
misplacing a telling document. A federal prosecutor suggests a cover-up, and
two investigations are under way.
But old doubts die hard among militia members, conspiracy theorists and
other skeptics. Among the incredulous, the possibility of renewed scrutiny
yielding long-awaited vindication inspires hope, satisfaction and mostly,
suspicion.
"Cover-up No. 2," said Alan Bacon, once a member of the Bexar County
Volunteer Militia.
He adds: "All I get the sense of is: Here we go again. They didn't tell us
then. They're not telling us now."
Bacon said a 1995 congressional investigation into possible wrongdoing at
Waco left too many questions unanswered. This time, while some expect the
renewed allegations to pump new blood into militias, others like Bacon, a
former defense-industry employee who saw work dwindle after the Cold War
thawed, doubt the inquiries will have much effect.
Some theories are posted on Web sites under pseudonyms, sometimes as terse
as their proclamations. Among comments, one message proposes that the Waco
revelations amount to a carefully laid bait.
"I suspect this to be the exact strategy to bring the militia out of the
woodwork," said the message, signed J{gt}H{gt} Johnson.
After recommending members choose silent hiding over hollering "I told you
so," his communication advises, "If they can't see you, they can't blame
you."
Militia members still chafe over depictions in mainstream media as paranoid
warmongers, said Don Loucks of Bastrop, a former adviser to but not a
member of the Texas Constitutional Militia and a columnist for the online
news site allsouthwest.com.
"The people actually involved in the self-defense movements have wised up.
They don't want the exposure," Loucks said. "They know what happens if they
proclaim themselves. They'll be targeted."
But those who monitor computer communications among militias and
sympathizers say the attention on the Branch Davidian siege has excited new
activity in a dormant, if not dying, community.
Chip Berlet, a senior analyst with a nonprofit group that tracks and opposes
right-wing political organizations, said the militias flared after
government standoffs at Waco and Ruby Ridge the prior year, when a federal
marshal, alleged white supremacist Randy Weaver, and his wife and teen-age
son were shot.
Sunday, Sep 19, 1999
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Re: [CTRL] 3 of 4 Delta Force soldiers at WACO were killed last week / Vince Foster
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > 3 of the 4 Delta Force soldiers known to be involved at "WACO" were killed > last week, in a period of two days. > in separate "accidents" ... > What are the odds? We do not know that yet. The source from which this information emanates (Alex Jones) cites "inside sources." It may very well be true, or it may not be true. Regardless as to which, until this aspect of the story develops further (if possible,) the information will remain totally useless to anyone other than Alex Jones and his supposed source. Dan S http://www.crosswinds.net/~ds1999/waco.html DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Giant morgue prepared for New Year disasters
-Caveat Lector- >From The Sunday Times, http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/99/09/19/stinwenws01029.html?99 9 - September 19 1999 BRITAIN Giant morgue prepared for New Year disasters Maurice Chittenden A SPORTS centre with room for up to 1,000 bodies has been set aside as a makeshift mortuary in case of a disaster in London on millennium night. More than 2m people are expected to line the banks of the Thames to celebrate the arrival of the 21st century. Emergency planners fear many could end up in the river, on purpose or by accident. One reason the river event, known as Big Time, is being staged is to help divert crowds from Trafalgar Square, the traditional place of celebration. But the waterside setting has raised safety concerns. Police, fire and ambulance services are to stage a disaster exercise using life-sized dummies in preparation. Council officers will be paid up to £500 each to be on standby to open the Queen Mother Sports Centre in Victoria as a morgue. In the event of a major civil emergency, bodies will be laid across five badminton courts in the sports hall. The government is considering closing some of the busiest Thames bridges, or allowing only police, fire engines and ambulances access. The bridges will be among the best vantage points to see the promised "river of fire" show, a 15-minute firework display just after midnight launched from barges on the Thames. A control centre at Westminster city hall will monitor the crowds using closed circuit television. Police have been trying to reduce the New Year crowds in Trafalgar Square since 1982, when two women were crushed to death and 193 people injured. In recent years the crowd has dropped from a peak of 120,000 to 70,000. The "river of fire" is intended to attract people away from the square to the Thames embankment. Nick Raynsford, the minister for London, said: "I want to make it clear that in planning this event safety has been our prime concern." A spokesman for the Port of London Authority, which will control boats on the Thames, said: "We have to assume the worst, which means not just the expectation that a number of people will be depressed and try to commit suicide or that cults may stage mass suicides, but that far greater numbers of people, sparked by exuberance and too much drink, will jump in for a laugh, not realising how much trouble they can get into." -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] AIDS Bioengineering on trial
-Caveat Lector- Fowarded from Boyd Graves - September 17, 1999 Dear Professor Boyle: Judge Wells has issued an Order directing me to refile by October 15th with respect to the federal HIV discrimination issues but to exclude defendant, Secretary Cohen, et al, and the collateral issue of the laboratory origin of AIDS. I AM going to submit a 'motion for reconsideration' within ten days of this 9/16/99 Order. I need a legal beagle right now! I intend to submit every thing I have to show this judge just how wrong she is. In the face of the progress reports and the flowchart of the Special Virus program, it is heresy to conclude that the origin of AIDS is a frivolous issue, unworthy of judicial adjudication. As best I can put together, please send me some legal cites on the issue of setting aside direct evidence and reaching a finding of frivolity under Section 1915(e), because I filed in forma pauperis. In other words, because I did not pay the filing fee, the judge was allowed to use a screening mechanism under 1915 to determine if a poor person's case is worthy of further adjudication. As you know it is commonly used by the federal court to dismiss primarily "prisoner complaints" that might appear to be 'overly-litigious'. If this motion for reconsideration fails, Dr. Garth Nicolson has suggested rebringing this in the World Court. I thought the U.S. Court of Claims (Where France sued the U.S. over Gallo and AIDS). The current EEO battle with Department of Justice coincides with the actions of the federal court. The Court's Order was a big surprise! WOW, we get another shot to watch justice peek under the blindfold and rule in accordance with the tilt of the field. The longer you play on a tilted field, the more level it seems (becomes).This issue of eugenics is essentially racism. It is reflected in NSSM-200, Nixon's July 18, 1969 "Special" Message to the Congress on Problems of Population Growth, and a number of other official documents. It is reflected in the activities of the United Nations' Agency for International Development (AID) whose only purpose is to coordinate the depopulation efforts. The United States has been sending money to AID for 32 years! Please let me know if you've got an honest lawyer in tow. However, give my email address to some third year moot courter with a heart. I need a ton of research to improve our chances. Thanks for any immediate input. The people have another shot and I intend to take it, unless, perhaps you might want to enter your appearance? PLEASE let me know, thanx, Ed Graves 216-382-9252 ps. the case is Graves v. Cohen 1:98 CV 2209, filed 9/28/98, U.S. District Court, Northern District of Ohio. eg -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] "MISSING LINK" PROVES LABORATORY ORIGIN OF AIDS
-Caveat Lector- >SEPTEMBER 7, 1999 > > > >FOR MORE INFORMATION CALL: > >JANET WEINER, DIRECTOR, MEDIA RELATIONS, >THE COMMON CAUSE FOUNDATION >508-881-3141 > >DON SCOTT, PRESIDENT, >THE COMMON CAUSE FOUNDATION >705-670-0180 > >BOYD ED GRAVES, JD >DIRECTOR-AIDS CONCERNS >216-481-5622 > >"MISSING LINK" PROVES >LABORATORY ORIGIN OF AIDS > >Cleveland, OH-- In Canada on Saturday, August 21, 1999, American, Boyd >E. Graves stunned the international medical community when he presented >the AIDS FLOWCHART; the 'research logic flow' of a "hidden" federal >program entitled, "Special Virus". The "Special Virus program began in >1962 and produced at least fifteen progress reports that correspond to >the schematic. "The flowchart IS the 'missing link" in the definitive >proof of the laboratory origin of AIDS. It has already met and exceeded >the scrutiny of some of the world's top microbiologists and scientists, >including Dr. Garth Nicholson", Graves said. > >Graves presented the flowchart during his videotaped presentation at the >international conference of the Common Cause Medical Research >Foundation. In May, 1999, the Foundation appointed Dr. Graves as its >Director-AIDS CONCERNS. "We believe we now have an ear or two in >Congress", said Graves, " I firmly believe our population control >policies should be "open" policies". "We are hopeful for a bipartisan >review of the flowchart. The American people, particularly those >afflicted with HIV/AIDS, have a constitutional right to exposure and >closure on this, the darkest chapter in the history of the world. The >flowchart leaves no doubt as to the state's premeditation to kill its >own people." -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Unidentified flashing object a puzzle for Menomonie man
-Caveat Lector- >From http://www.pioneerplanet.com/seven-days/1/news/docs/014768.htm - Published: Friday, September 17, 1999 Unidentified flashing object a puzzle for Menomonie man GARY DAWSON STAFF WRITER MENOMONIE, WIS. Did an unidentified flying object with bright flashing lights visit the Menomonie area early Thursday morning? James Emerson, who lives on a farm about two miles west of here, isn't sure but said some kind of airborne craft hovered to the southeast of his house for more than a half hour about 4 a.m. It reappeared once more before dawn. Dunn County Sheriff Robert Zebro, whose deputy sent to the scene also observed the lights, said he isn't sure what the object was but theorized it was either a helicopter or northern lights. Emerson, a road construction cement worker recovering at home from back surgery, doesn't agree. ``No, not a helicopter, when it sat there in one spot for a half-hour or 45 minutes. ``It wasn't northern lights either. I know the northern lights. It was a bright glow like the sun,'' he said. ``It was weird. I don't know what it was and I wasn't drinkin' either.'' Emerson said the sheriff's department told him it might also have been reflections off Mars and Venus, but he discounted that, too, because the planets were not lined up at that position in the sky. ``The wife (Renee) was getting up for work about 4 a.m. I got up with her,'' Emerson said. ``I was looking out the window and saw this flash, a red light way up in sky but like it was on the other side of the county.'' That would have been to the southeast. He said the object had red, blue and yellow flashing lights and would move sideways back and forth, alternately shoot high up in the air and then descend, hovering down just above the treetops. He called the sheriff's office, and the deputy who responded and observed the object described it in his report as a craft with green, red and white lights. ``He couldn't identify it. He thought it might be a helicopter,'' Sheriff Zebro said. ``Or they had another theory, that it was the northern lights or aurora borealis.'' The deputy left, saying he would try to get closer to the object. Then, 20 minutes later, Emerson said, the object reappeared, this time with a bright yellow light that pulsated and went from bright to dim. ``I called back down to the sheriff's office and said, `You ain't going to believe this, there's another one.' '' He said the sheriff's office told him they would check it out but he didn't hear from them again. Gary Dawson, who covers western Wisconsin, can be reached at gddawsonpioneerpress.com, toll free at (800) 739-3921 or at (715) 381-1808. -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] CHURCH GUNMAN WROTE CRAZED LETTERS TO LOCAL PAPER
re are many names of people whom I could identify as being a party to the events. If just one individual admitted, for there part what I allege, then I believe the others would begin to be proven. What I am asking is for you to investigate and tell my story. Sincerely, Larry Ashbrook X X X X X City Editor Stephen Kaye The Fort Worth Star-Telegram 400 W. Seventh St. Fort Worth, Texas 76102 August 10, 1999 Sir This communication is an addendum to the July 31 letter. It is obvious that you are uninterested in my story. Therefore, I find it necessary to amplify certain aspects of it. Consider one of three situations I experienced where people I had never met volunteered that they were either former Central Intelligence Agency employees or were laision with the CIA while they were in the military. In 1987, after being fired from the company I worked for in July, as I related earlier, I got a job with a forging company in Fort Worth. On the morning I reported to that company I aws to be indoctrinated into the opearations of the machine shop by the shop foreman. Unfortunately, it was not so much an indocrination as it was a recounting of the mans exploits in Viet Nam. Particularly his story was about how he worked laision with the CIA and his exploits included special forces operations which entailed assissination of enemy political units. This lecture lasted the entire morning. From eight until lunchtime. If this were the only time I had ever encountered someone who voluntered such a story I would think nothing of it. However, since it is one of three encounters and since it falls within the time period that I am certain that I was being targeted as a suspected serial murderer, then I must consider it a relevant part of my situation. My employment at this company eventually became impossible and I quit. Not because I could not work with them but because they did not want to work with me. Without belaboring the point with my experiences, I will call to your attention two stories that have come out of the news in the last decade. The first involved the Tarrant County Sheriffs Department. I believe the year was 1991; and in that year there was a situation which came to light in which it was found that reserve deputies with the sheriffs department, who were full time U.S. Airforce personel, were also discovered to be affiliated with the Ku Klux Klan. What I particularly recall is that when one of those involved personel was interviewed on TV (KXAS Channel 5, NBC affiliate) he directly stated that they were involved in -going after child abductors.- Amy Robinson's abductor perhaps? The second also involved the sheriff's department. The year was, I believe, -95- or -96.- The story that came out disclosed that an individual or individuals within the department had had, for some time, a web site that contained the dossier's of suspects in a criminal investigation. These files were being made available to civilians so as to enable them to aid in the -criminal- investigations. The implication of this should be obvious with regard to my allegations. What I must wonder about is the reason that no news reporting agency, particularly yours, is interested in this story. Is it because you think it implausible or unimportant? Is it because the general political climate in Fort Worth is not conducive to such a story? Or is there a clue in the words of John Chriswell, then news anchor for the CBS affiliate, when he asked me, as I was attempting to explain my situation: -Didn't you just get out of the military?- It is apparent to me that the suspicions against me have been widely disseminated. I believe that there are a few individuals who would realize no damage to themselves if they admitted to the truth regarding my allegations. With all due respect, Larry Ashbrook -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] September Massacre--Dallas/Fort Worth Location No Surprise
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Mack White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > It may also be significant that the shootings precisely coincided with last > night's ceremony celebrating the reopening of the UT Tower here in Austin. > The Tower, of course, was the site of the nation's first massacre of this > type. Now THATS more like it! Thanks -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] September Massacre--Dallas/Fort Worth Location No Surprise
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: NewsHawk Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Some "oddities"-- > There are reports of another gunman or participant being involved. Where are these reports? Please cite references for the rest of us. It's useless without it. > And a BIGGIE: according to some reports ATF agents were on the scene at > Wedgewood Baptist within a few MINUTES of the outbreak of the shooting > (shades of Columbine!). NO WORD of pipe bombs having apparently been > utilized had yet been made public. WHAT WAS ATF DOING THERE?! Maybe the pipe bombs had not been made public, but this story broke on television a while after the incident occurred. I (and others) received an early report from someone in that area and sat there a good 10-25 minutes before it first popped up on national television. In addition, the ATF was reported as being on the scene only after the initial 2-3 news reports. The ATF had more than enough time to have been alerted that the guy had blown up a pipe bomb inside (since everyone inside knew that) and then drive there from the time that the event occurred and later wound up on television. I don't think this was a "Bufford Furrow." This isn't to say that I do not have suspicions regarding these events, but I fear that current speculation is only briefly hitting the mark. Please consider giving references, links to these reports, where exactly and/or at what time on what television station you or someone else saw it, etc. -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Murdered white Christian kids not newsworthy
-Caveat Lector- It's been on CNN and Fox News along with Floyd all day, and was on CBS Morning News when I woke up. Reno just gave a press conference not too long ago and mentioned it, and the only other thing that came up besides what happened was gun control. -- Dan S - Original Message - From: day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 10:47 AM Subject: [CTRL] Murdered white Christian kids not newsworthy > -Caveat Lector- > > Turned on television this morning.heard the following > in this order: > > Update on Hurricane Floyd > Ralph David Abernathy trial > More nonsense from the King family > > Oh, and 7 people murdered in a shooting > at a Baptist Church in Texas. > > This is bullshit.If this had been a Jewish Synagogue > or Black Church, President Squirt would be all over > the news talking about hate crimes. > > It's a sad day in this country when the murder of > white Christian's isn't newsworthy. > > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic > screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters > and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright > frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects > spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL > gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; > be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and > nazi's need not apply. > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > Archives Available at: > http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Om > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Female Spy Files Discrimination Suit Against CIA
-Caveat Lector- >From http://news.excite.com/news/r/990915/20/politics-spies-lawsuit - Female Spy Files Discrimination Suit Against CIA Updated 8:09 PM ET September 15, 1999 By Tabassum Zakaria WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A female spy is suing the CIA claiming discrimination in job promotions after an incident in which a foreign intelligence recruit kissed her, an action the spy agency saw as a potential security breach, her lawyer said Wednesday. The lawsuit was filed in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia Monday. "We haven't received the suit yet so we don't have any comment," a Central Intelligence Agency spokesman said. The legal action was taken by a woman identified as Grace Tilden, a pseudonym because her identity is classified secret. Between 1990 and 1998, Tilden was part of the CIA's highly clandestine "NOC" program, which stands for non-official cover. She would collect information from people known in intelligence lingo as "assets," who in some cases did not know they were informing the CIA. >From 1992 to late 1995, Tilden worked in a foreign country, described in the suit as "Foreign Location A." In 1993 she met a foreign recruit in a hotel room who "unexpectedly" kissed her on the lips, the lawsuit said. "Ms. Tilden discouraged the asset from attempting to pursue any kind of romantic relationship with her by informing him that their relationship was a professional one," the complaint said. Tilden was uncertain whether she was required to formally report the incident to the CIA and asked a female co-worker, who advised her not to worry about it because the incident was too insignificant for a formal report, the complaint said. That co-worker later told a male CIA operative about it and he included it in a written report, the lawsuit said. A few days later, Tilden was summoned to a "domestic" location for a meeting with the CIA's deputy chief of station and the chief of operations for the foreign country where she was based. CIA "employees and managers, who subscribe to unfortunate stereotypes about women, immediately presumed that Ms. Tilden was being deceptive, and that, in fact, she was engaged in a torrid love affair with an enemy agent and spilling national security secrets in bed," the complaint said. DOUBLE-STANDARD CLAIMED The lawsuit said the CIA has a double-standard in such areas and that a man would have been instructed to seduce or establish a sexual relationship with a foreign recruit to learn enemy secrets. At the worst, the man would have been informally counseled verbally, "with a wink and a nudge," not to do it again, the lawsuit said. "That's utterly ridiculous," said an intelligence official who did not want to be identified. But Tilden's lawyer, Roy Krieger, said in other cases he has handled, "we have learned that in some instances male case officers have been encouraged if not specifically instructed to develop sexual relationships or foster sexual interest in them in order to develop a potential asset." In Tilden's case, however, "she toed the line, but nonetheless she was still penalized and it's essentially because she's a female," Krieger said. That one incident put the brakes on Tilden's career at the CIA, the lawsuit said. Her caseload was stripped, she was denied additional responsibilities and put on a slower track for promotion than male colleagues, the lawsuit said. When she was assigned a new "asset," it turned out to be an American citizen, a category considered "a much lower priority" and given less importance by CIA management than foreign nationals, the complaint said. Her performance review for 1993 was unfavorable and referred to the kissing episode as a "possible security incident," the lawsuit said. Tilden was later transferred to an unidentified domestic location after marrying a foreign national. She was eventually dismissed from the "NOC" program, but is still employed by the CIA, the complaint said. She is seeking unspecified damages and is demanding a trial by jury. "The CIA does not tolerate discrimination on the basis of race, religion, gender, disability or any other basis," the CIA spokesman said. -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and n
[CTRL] Waco Coroner Bungled Later Homicide Case
-Caveat Lector- >From Newsmax, http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=1999/9/16/03738 - Thursday September 16, 1:39 AM Waco Coroner Bungled Later Homicide Case Last Friday, Tarrant County medical examiner Nizam Peerwani told the Waco Tribune-Herald that it may be time to "reevaluate" some of the autopsies he performed on 23 Branch Davidians who were gunned down during the 51-day seige at Mt. Carmel. When it comes to the need to reevaluate autopsies, Inside Cover has learned that Dr. Peerwani knows whereof he speaks. Findings from Peerwani's Waco examinations were used by the Clinton administration to bolster government claims that Mt. Carmel residents were shot at close range -- inside the compound by fellow Davidians -- and not by FBI sharpshooters posted outside. The administration, along with its mainstream press cohort, has staunchly maintained for six years that no government agent fired into the Branch Davidian compound on the final day of the Waco siege. It's too early to say whether Peerwani bungled the Waco autopsies. But in the 1998 death of Tarrant County teen James "J.R." Robinson, the highly paid coroner completely overlooked clear evidence of homicide. After disappearing for six days last Decmeber, the 14-year-old's body turned up in an icy Ft. Worth, Texas creek. Peerwani found no signs of trauma and issued a preliminary finding of "cardiorespiratory arrest", according to a June 7, 1999 Associated Press report. But three days later, when Robinson was being embalmed at Rev's Funeral Parlor, owner Charles Williams was shocked at the condition of the body. "This was no accident or heart attack," Williams said. "During the embalming processall of these bruises and injuries surfaced on this child. This was definitely a homicide. No question about it." In February, Peerwani took a second look at the Robinson case. His revised verdict? Death by blunt force trauma to the head. Days later, Raymond Krote and Demon Hobbs, both 17, were charged with killing Robinson. At least one of Peerwani's Branch Davidian autopsies has been challenged by British pathologists, who reexamined the body of Mt. Carmel resident Winston Blake. The second autospy failed to reveal the powder burns Peerwani said he found near Blake's gunshot wound. The Texas coroner has presided over at least one other high-profile death case, when he autopsied the body of key Whitewater witness James B. McDougal. McDougal's March 8, 1998 prison death was caused by cardiac arrest, according to Peerwani. But several of McDougal's fellow inmates at the Ft. Worth Prison Medical Center have claimed that guards denied the former Clinton business partner his heart medicine hours before he collapsed and died. The charge, even if true, has no apparent bearing on Peerwani's role. But this tidbit might. A reliable source tells Inside Cover that Dr. Peerwani has been a Clinton White House invitee. -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Several shot in church sanctuary
-Caveat Lector- >From http://www.startext.net/news/doc/1047/1:TOPSTORY/1:TOPSTORY091599.html - Updated: Wednesday, Sep. 15, 1999 at 19:53 CDT Several shot in church sanctuary By The Associated Press FORT WORTH, Texas -- Several people were shot Wednesday night during a prayer service in the sanctuary of Wedgwood Baptist Church, police said. The number of victims was not immediately determined, but police said the shooter was among those wounded, and is believed to be dead. No other fatalities were immediately reported. Five ambulances were sent to the church, located in the southwest corner of Fort Worth. Medical helicopters also went to the scene. A recording that answered the telephone at the church said a regularly-scheduled prayer service began at 6:30 p.m. However, Wednesday night's service was heavily attended by teen-agers because of the annual "See You at the Pole" ceremony. The shooting was reported shortly after 7 p.m. Witnesses said the shooter was a tall man dressed in black. He had long hair and a mustache, they said. "He was very calm and looked normal and was smoking a cigarette," Christy Martin, 17, told KDFW-TV. He walked into the sanctuary, pulled a gun and began firing, she said. "I just saw him point the gun and shoot," she said. Ms. Martin said she thought about 15 people had been hit. A Fort Worth police spokesman, who did not want his name used, said there were several victims and he believed some had died. Ambulances were taking the victims to John Peter Smith and Harris Methodist Hospitals. Miss Martin said everybody in the church began running as soon as the first shot rang out. "He just kept shooting and that's when I just ran," she said. "I'm fine, I'm just a little shook up." Chris Applegate, a 7th grader, said he was in choir practice when the gunman burst into the room. "We were singing a song and then in the middle of the song this guy opened the door and fired one shot," he told KXAS-TV. "He just kept telling is to stay still," Chris said. The man reloaded several times during the rampage, which some first thought was a skit or prank. "I was wondering . . . whether it was real or not," Chris said. A 14-year-old student at Heath High School in West Paducah, Ky., opened fire on Dec. 1, 1997. Three students were killed and five others were hurt. Distributed by The Associated Press (AP) -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Patent: Barcode/tattoo identifies customers prior to transaction
-Caveat Lector- >From the U.S. Patent & Trademark Office, http://patents.uspto.gov/cgi-bin/ifetch4?ENG+PATBIB-ALL+0+946309+0+7+25907+O F+1+1+1+PN%2f5%2c878%2c155 - United States Patent 5,878,155 Heeter Mar. 2, 1999 Method for verifying human identity during electronic sale transactions Abstract A method is presented for facilitating sales transactions by electronic media. A bar code or a design is tattooed on an individual. Before the sales transaction can be consummated, the tattoo is scanned with a scanner. Characteristics about the scanned tattoo are compared to characteristics about other tattoos stored on a computer database in order to verify the identity of the buyer. Once verified, the seller may be authorized to debit the buyer's electronic bank account in order to consummate the transaction. The seller's electronic bank account may be similarly updated. Inventors: Heeter; Thomas W. (55 Lyerly, Houston, TX 77022). Appl. No.: 709,471 Filed: Sept. 5, 1996 -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Silicon chip could help us to feel others' pain
-Caveat Lector- >From The Times, http://www.the-times.co.uk/news/pages/tim/99/09/14/timnwsnws01032.html?999 - September 14 1999 BRITAIN A silicon chip could help us to feel others' pain SILICON chips implanted in the arm and linked to the nervous system could be used to control computers, or even allow two people to share the same sensations and emotions, a British expert in electronics said. Kevin Warwick of Reading University said that within 18 months he planned to try the experiment on himself. Last year he implanted a chip in his arm that could be used to open the door of his department at the university. The new plan is more radical. Professor Warwick wants to establish a direct connection between silicon and nerve cells. He plans to implant a device in his upper arm that picks up signals from the nervous core and transmits them through a skin-mounted device to a computer. "The first step will be setting up a link and trying a few basic things," he said. "For example, if I raise my arm, or move my fingers, we hope to use the nerve signal generated to turn a light on on the computer screen. You can do this by wrapping a collar around the arm, but the signal is weak and there is a lot of noise. By connecting directly to the nerve we should get better results." He said devices of this sort might be useful to paraplegics. Work in the US and Germany has shown that it is possible to tap into brain waves with devices attached to the skull, or implanted in the brain, and use them to control computers. But he admits that there could be dangers in making a direct connection to nerve fibres. Any damage could cause loss of function or partial paralysis. Even though he will be the only guinea-pig, he acknowledged that the experiment will need clearance from the local ethics committee. Further in the future he envisages connecting the nervous systems of two people using similar devices. "The long-term aim is to get communication between people by means of thought alone," he said. An intruiging question, he said, would be whether the two people connected in this way would feel the same sensations, or even emotions. -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Spaceship cult raises fears of another Waco
-Caveat Lector- Source: The Scotsman http://www.scotsman.com/ Click on World News, Scroll Down Spaceship cult raises fears of another Waco LOUISE BRANSON In Washington FEARS of another Waco in the making are growing over an isolationist cult - the United Nuwaubian Nation of Moors - which has set up a compound outside a small Georgia town and claims to be a sovereign nation. The Nuwaubian leader, Dwight York, says he is from a galaxy called Illyuwn and that a spaceship will pick up him and 144,000 chosen people in the year 2003. He and his followers have created an "Egypt of the West" compound on 400 acres outside the town of Eatonton, complete with two 40ft pyramids, a mile-long labyrinth, a multi-coloured obelisk and a giant statue of a sphinx. The comparisons with David Koresh and his Branch Davidian sect are striking. The Davidians perished in a blaze at their compound outside the Texas town of Waco six years ago after disputes and a 51-day siege by the FBI. Mr York's dispute, for the moment, is not with the FBI but with town officials who charge he has violated zoning regulations over the building of a nightclub and market. They also accuse him of having plans to take over the county. Mr York has already been in trouble with police - he served three years in prison in New York in the 1960s for assault, resisting arrest and possession of a dangerous weapon. The Nuwaubians, who are mostly black, say the dispute boils down to racism - and that has brought regional black leaders to their cause. "I think the sheriff and the courthouse gang have a fear that the Nuwaubians could pose a threat to the political order," said Tyrone Brooks, head of the Georgia Association of Black Elected Officials. "If this was a group of wealthy white developers who bought 400 acres of land and said we want to build and develop, they would co-operate with them." Federal mediators have already been called in, along with a so-called "common-law judge" who in the past has been linked to white supremacist groups. Until now, the town of Eatonton and the wider county of Putnam had prided themselves on their racial tolerance. The county of 18,000 calls itself the "Dairy Capital of Georgia". It is home to two famous writers - the Pulitzer Prize-winning author Alice Walker, who is black, and the white creator of the famed Uncle Remus tales. The town went through peaceful desegregation in the 1970s, has elected blacks to office and named a street after the black civil rights leader Martin Luther King. But even some blacks in the town see forces far more sinister than racism at work. "The majority of our folks are Baptists, Methodists and Holiness [Pentecostalists]," said Ulysses Rice, a town councillor. "These folks don't come in and mix with them." Though Mr York lives with some 150 followers on the compound, up to 400 other members live throughout the county and have become politically active as a group, including affiliating themselves with such black organisations as the National Association for the Advancement of Coloured People (NAACP). Howard Sills, the local sheriff, said he had an armed confrontation with the Nuwaubians' security guard when he tried to escort a building inspector onto the compound - a requirement to establish compliance with zoning laws. Mr Sills said the potential for another Waco-style conflict was very real. "It's my opinion that they want a confrontation, that they're pushing for a confrontation," he said. ©The Scotsman Publications Ltd -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Feds Used Bogus Drug Charges to Push Waco Raid
erately set the fire to precipitate the fiery end to the standoff. The Pentagon also insists that only a handful of Special Forces were on hand as observers during the 51-day siege and assault, but had no operational involvement in either. -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Agent told of hearing FBI shots
officials fired. "This whole thing has been an exercise in, `Don't ask, don't tell,' " he said. Gabrielle Crist, (817) 390-7662 -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Glowing monkeys to fight genetic disorder
-Caveat Lector- >From The Sunday Times, http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/Sunday-Times/stiinnnws01004.html?99 9 - September 12 1999 INNOVATION Health Monkeys that 'glow' could help fight genetic disorders FLUORESCENT monkeys could hold the key to future research into genetic diseases, writes Mark Prigg. Researchers hope to splice the gene that makes jellyfish glow into a monkey embryo. If successful, it will be the first time a gene has been spliced into the embryo of another species. It is hoped the research will give scientists a greater understanding of genetic mutations. The team from the Oregon Regional Primate Research Center has tested several techniques. It has already managed to make embryos composed of a few dozen cells glow and now hopes to create baby monkeys that glow when placed under ultraviolet light. The team chose the jellyfish gene because it is easy to use and has already been successfully placed into mice. According to Anthony Chan, a researcher at the centre, some embryos fertilised with monkey sperm carrying the jellyfish gene have now been transferred into the wombs of surrogate rhesus monkeys. He says: "Rhesus monkeys make a great model for human disease and we have no qualms at all about this research - the reasons for doing it are sound and will give us our best shot at curing genetic disease." Researchers are using monkeys because they are genetically much closer to humans than, say, mice, which are used to test new drugs. Mice often respond to genetic mutations in different ways from primates. By introducing human-disease genes into monkey embryos, the team hopes to test new drugs on the rhesus monkeys, which react to disease in a similar way to humans. The centre is keeping the exact number of monkeys used and the expected delivery dates secret in case of attacks from animal-rights activists. They have been demonstrating weekly at the centre in an attempt to stop several other monkey-cloning experiments. A laboratory spokeswoman says the monkey mothers are doing well and are expected to give birth in November. "The results of the experiment won't be known for some time after the birth," she says. "With this kind of genetic experiment we want to wait and see how the babies grow up before jumping to conclusions. One of the advantages of using the jellyfish gene is that we will get an instant result - the babies will glow from the moment they are born. "However, how long they will survive and how they will develop are our main questions, assuming they do glow. This is the first time this has been tried anywhere in the world, so we just don't know what will happen. "We are also very aware of the moral and political ramifications of the work, so before we release the results we need to take everything into account. But if it works this is undoubtedly going to be the best way to study genetic disease in humans." -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Woman says plane vapors make her sick
-Caveat Lector- From http://flash.oregonlive.com/cgi-bin/or_nview.pl?/home1/wire/AP/Stream-Parsed /OREGON_NEWS/o1040_AM_ID--AircraftVapors - Woman says plane vapors make her sick The Associated Press 09/12/99 7:31 PM Eastern COEUR d'ALENE, Idaho (AP) -- Meg Anderson believes that plumes from the back of jet airplanes are making her sick. The plumes are called "contrails" -- short for condensation trails -- and some people believe they cause flu-like symptoms and worse. Most officials dismiss the claims. A worldwide network of people connected by the Internet insist the trails come from military planes on covert sorties. The truth is up there, depending on which of a growing number of Internet sites you dial up, or what night you tune in to nighttime talk radio's conspiracy king, Art Bell. On one particularly "heavy spray day" over Plummer in June, Anderson said she watched particulate matter fall out of the clouds, "like the black stuff in a diesel truck stopped at an intersection. "I experienced a numb mouth and burning sinuses -- in an area that is generally pollution free," she said. Military and most government officials scoff at the contrail conspiracy theory. "The Air Force doesn't do anything that emits anything other than a normal contrail, which is vapor," said Margaret Gidding, a U.S. Air Force spokeswoman at the Pentagon. Most people have seen the puffy white contrails from commercial jets, frozen water particles released by combustion into the frigid climes of the upper atmosphere. The trails disappear quickly. But the contrails in question are said to be much wider than usual and stick around for hours, filling the sky with tic-tac-toe patterns. Contrail watchdogs use Oakville, Wash., as a poster child. As chronicled by the TV show "Unsolved Mysteries," in 1994 a rain of gelatinous goo fell from the sky onto the small town. Tests revealed a combination of white blood cells, two strains of bacteria and bits of coral reef, according to a transcript of the television show. Most of the theories link contrails to military planes, often white, unmarked planes flying below the 18,000-foot altitude where the vapor trails normally start forming. This year, Air Force headquarters started getting monthly calls on the issue, many of them from Washington state, Gidding said. She thinks the sudden interest stems from publicity on the Internet. "It's challenging because I empathize with people when they're ill and looking for the cause," she says. "But the Air Force is just not what's causing it." Forecasters say contrails are a meteorological phenomenon caused when water from jet engine exhaust freezes fast without evaporating, typically below -38 degrees Celsius. Most contrails break up quickly, but sometimes upper level winds can spread the trails apart, forming a large sheet cloud that lingers. People who associate health problems with the trails describe strange X-shaped clouds -- said to aid satellite location of spraying operations -- and checkerboards not produced by commercial jets on parallel flight patterns. A Kootenai County resident who gave his name as "George" on a popular contrails Web site in June reported black particles similar to those Meg Anderson had reported. "By the time it was dark, my nose lining was burning and my mouth was numb. I had a sore throat at bedtime and next morning sore glands in my neck and fatigue." Dr. Leonard Horowitz, an anti-immunization crusader who lives in Sandpoint, suspects chemtrails in a nationwide outbreak of upper respiratory infections last winter that didn't respond to antibiotic treatment. But "it's virtually impossible to link it definitively," Horowitz acknowledges. Health officials in Idaho and Washington say they've received no reports from concerned citizens of contrail-linked illnesses. "We're hooked up to Hanford to see if anything happens there," says Renee Guillierie, a spokeswoman for the Washington Department of Health. "That's about as weird as we get." Questions? Comments? Suggestions? We welcome your feedback. ©1999 Oregon Live LLC Copyright 1999 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holo
[CTRL] new WACO page
-Caveat Lector- I've put up a 'WACO' page which will preserve either all, most of or the most important of the the recent news articles. This just so that they do not fall between the cracks or worse, into never never land. This will make them all collectively accessible from one place when it is needed, whether that be now, or down the road. I hate it when I have to back track something for someone and have to relook it all up, so why not do it when I'm there looking at it. The URL is http://www2.crosswinds.net/~ds1999/waco.html -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] COINCIDENCES AT WACO
-Caveat Lector- >From The Washington Weekly (http://www.federal.com) - COINCIDENCES AT WACO Editorial By Marvin Lee I guess it is just one of those little coincidences we have grown accustomed to during the Clinton Era. The medical examiner in whose office someone accidentally "pulled the plug" on the cooling in the room where the bodies of the Branch Davidians were being kept -- causing their bodies to liquefy and preventing any sequent autopsy -- is the same medical examiner who performed the autopsy of Whitewater witness Jim McDougal after his death in federal prison last year. The Washington Weekly had difficulty obtaining the McDougal autopsy report from Chief Medical Examiner Nizam Peerwani's office at the time. At first we were told such reports take "four to six weeks" to complete. An April 30, 1998 press release from Chief Medical Examiner Nizam Peerwani actually referred to "an autopsy report released yesterday in Fort Worth." The office did, in fact, not complete or release the McDougal autopsy report until June 22, 1998, three and one half months after the death of McDougal. The report cleared federal officials of charges by other inmates of wrongdoing in the death, and attributed it instead to "hypertensive atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease." Another coincidence is that one of the chief planners of the February 28, 1993 BATF raid on the Branch Davidians was Bill Clinton's personal friend William Buford. As Special Agent in Charge of Little Rock BATF, Buford was also responsible for Mena Airport, where he failed to investigate charges of gun running. When one of his employees asked Buford to authorize an investigation of Mena, Buford said that he would authorize the investigation, but warned him that several "BATF agents had lost their jobs" as a result of Mena Airport, according to former police officer Russell Welch of Mena. But of course these coincidences must be, as everything else with the Clinton administration, perfectly innocent. Published in the Sep. 13, 1999 issue of The Washington Weekly Copyright 1999 The Washington Weekly (http://www.federal.com) Reposting permitted with this message intact -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [MC] MORE Send/Love Fish Info
-Caveat Lector- "Goodfellas" is coming on tonight on CBS, Judith.. - Original Message - From: Jabr 333 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > catch the fish off of. THis is part of the underground workings -- girl. It -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Secret Waco Ballistics Tests May Back Sensational Video
-Caveat Lector- >From http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=1999/9/12/113207 - Sunday September 12, 12:39 PM Secret Waco Ballistics Tests May Back Sensational Video Chief House Waco prober Dan Burton (R-IN) said Sunday that he has turned over videotape shot during the government's final April 19 assault on the Branch Davidian compound to technical experts who will determine whether the film shows federal forces shooting into the building. For six years the FBI and Justice Department have staunchly denied they fired gunshots into the compound on the day the Davidian's Mt. Carmel church burned to the ground. But ballistics evidence that could confirm charges federal forces shot and killed a number of Mt. Carmel residents has been witheld by the government for years, according to at least one local Texas law enforcement official. Burton told Fox News Sunday's Tony Snow that the expert video analysis is currently ongoing: SNOW: You have received some film from Michael McNulty who was on our program last week. He's done a documentary on Waco and is about to release another one. He purports that, that film shows definitively that FBI agents, or federal agents, fired on the Branch Davidian compound. You and your staff have looked at that film. Does it in fact show that definitively? BURTON: We need to look at that through the eyes of experts. I'm having those tapes analyzed by two different experts right now. We're going to try to find out as clearly as possible whether or not there was either the military involved or the FBI involved in firing into that compound. And so I don't think I can make a comment on that right now because the experts haven't given us their judgement. But on Friday, one of four McClennan County, Texas justices who ordered autopsies for the Branch Davidian victims told the Waco Tribune-Herald that the FBI witheld key ballistics test evidence that could confirm charges they were killed by government gunfire. "The thing that always stayed in my mind was if they were afraid some of the ordinance or ballistics could be matched up with their weaponry," Justice of the Peace David Pareya told the paper. Because the government would not release those tests results, the cause of death for many Davidians was officially recorded as unknown, the McClennan County official said. Survivors of the final Mt. Carmel assault charge that government forces fired into the compound and are ultimately responsible for the gunshot deaths. Tarrant County, Texas coroner Nizam Peerwani determined that 23 Davidians died from gunshot wounds. The Clinton Justice Department has claimed that Mount Carmel residents died by their own hands. In a Rose Garden press conference the day after the Waco massacre, President Clinton asserted that the Davidians "murdered themselves." But Dr. Peerwani said on Friday, "There is the feeling that one should go back and re-evaluate." The autopsy results of at least one of Peerwani's examinations has been challeged since he released his initial findings. Evidence noted by the Tarrant County coroner suggests that the death of Branch Davidian victim Winston Blake was caused by friendly fire. Gunpowder burns Peerwani found on Blake's skull indicate he was shot at close range. Blake was shot during the initial Feb. 28 BATF assault on Mt. Carmel. Blake's case was covered by Dick Reavis for his 1995 book, "The Ashes of Waco: An Investigation." Less than five months after his death, Blake's family, who lived in Manchester, England, had his body sent home for a second autopsy. The Manchester Police Department physician retained by relatives disputed the presence of powder burns on Blake's skull. He concluded in his autopsy report: "This injury had probably been caused by a destabilized high velocity rifle bullet of relatively low weight. This missile had probably been destabilized so as to cause it to yaw in flight prior to striking the victim. Such destabilization could have been achieved if the bullet had previously passed through a light screening cover, such as the light-weight material reported to have been used in the construction of the (Mt. Carmel) building walls." -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
[CTRL] Arson at historic chapel related to Waco
-Caveat Lector- >From StarNews.com, http://www.starnews.com/news/citystate/99/sept/0911st_pow.html - Caller says arson at historic chapel related to Waco Fire damages shrine built by POWs during World War II; caller warns of further acts. News By Diana Penner Indianapolis Star/News INDIANAPOLIS (Sept. 11, 1999) -- An anonymous caller claimed Friday that an act of arson at the historic POW-built chapel at Camp Atterbury was in retaliation for the federal government's "declaration of war" at Waco, and he warned there would be more assaults. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and the State Fire Marshal's office are assisting local authorities in the investigation, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation has been notified. Friday's fire at Our Lady's Chapel in the Meadow came on the heels of another attempt to burn the tiny building near Edinburgh on Sept. 2. There was no call before or after that fire, and no one has been arrested. On Friday, a man called The Daily Journal of Johnson County shortly after 1 p.m. and appeared to read a short statement, said Lt. Mike McElwain of the Johnson County Sheriff's Department. The statement said: "We want to relay the reason for the arson at the POW chapel. It's Waco. We want to let the government know we accept their declaration of war and this is the first of a series." The call could not be traced, McElwain said. The caller was described as "male, articulate but rushed, like he was reading a prepared statement." Earlier in the day, McElwain said, a work crew had been at the chapel -- built by Italian prisoners of war in 1943-44 -- cleaning up damage caused by the Sept. 2 fire. After that crew left, a man fishing at a nearby lake heard a "woosh" and discovered the fire. He called for help, and the Nineveh Fire Department quickly brought the situation under control, McElwain said. Other witnesses provided a description of a vehicle leaving the chapel area. The chapel, the only church in the United States built by Italian POWs, is located in Camp Atterbury, a military reservation occupied by the Indiana Army National Guard. Military officials have primary jurisdiction over the site and the investigation, McElwain said. The ATF was called in and the FBI apprised of the situation because federal property is involved, he said. McElwain said he was not aware of any similar threats made in connection with arsons, bombings or other assaults in Indiana. Waco, Texas, was the site of a federal standoff with the Branch Davidian religious group in 1993. It ended in a conflagration on April 19, 1993, that left about 80 Branch Davidians dead. The confrontation began when the ATF tried to raid the compound in search of illegal weapons. The group was tipped off to the raid, and four ATF agents were shot and killed. Since then, the event itself and the investigations of it have been fraught with controversy. This week, Attorney General Janet Reno appointed former Sen. John Danforth of Missouri to lead a new inquiry into the disaster, focusing on documents found recently that suggest the FBI had greater involvement than previously acknowledged. The episode fueled anti-government and militia activities, and was a key trigger for Timothy McVeigh, convicted of the Oklahoma City federal building bombing that came on the second anniversary of Waco. Why a tiny, isolated chapel in Johnson County would be the target of similar fury is a mystery to McElwain. There are active militia members in the county, but they have not appeared to be interested in these kinds of activities, he said. "Most of the people we deal with on a daily basis are more of the tax protester types," he said. No damage estimate was available after Friday's fire, but it caused extensive smoke and water damage, McElwain said. An accelerant had been dispersed and ignited, he said. In the Sept. 2 incident, shingles were ripped from the pitched roof and an accelerant was poured on wood beams. -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ T
[CTRL] Lawyers in Waco suit say morgue cooler failed
r bones, said Mary Manhein, professor of forensic pathology at Louisiana State University and deputy coroner of Baton Rouge Parish. Bone marrow can harbor DNA samples for as long as 10 years, and a study of the bones can often solve the mysteries of a violent death, Manhein said. But a better preserved body, including the existence of lung tissue and blood samples, could help determine whether any of the Davidians died from smoke inhalation or from poison caused by government tear gas, said Jay Siegel, professor of criminal justice and chemistry at Michigan State University. "If they didn't find that out on the initial autopsy ... it would be much more crucial to have something preserved," said Siegel, a member of the American Academy of Forensic Science. Bodies begin to decompose from the moment of death, but the speed with which they do so depends on the circumstances, Manhein said. Decomposition is quicker at hotter temperatures and, even at room temperature, can cause a body to deteriorate beyond recognition within two to three days, Manhein said. Corpses can be preserved if temperatures are kept under 40 degrees, she said. Plaintiffs attorneys also have questions about the findings of Dr. Ronald Graser, the private pathologist hired by Riddle's family. Graser's examination found that body parts disappeared from Riddle, whose remains were kept at Tarrant County Mortician Service, a private mortuary in southeast Fort Worth, court documents say. During that time, the body of Riddle, who had been killed by a shot in the head, was kept in a "crash bag" and sealed in a metal container in a cooler, said Tom Ramsey, owner of the mortuary. But when Graser examined the remains, he said part of the skull was missing, including the section where the bullet entered and exited, the court documents say. Jack Douglas Jr., (817) 390-7700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Karen Brooks, (817) 685-3806 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] 9/9/99 hits German markets
-Caveat Lector- >From The Guardian (London) http://www.newsunlimited.co.uk/business/story/0,3604,80980,00.html Germans fluff their date with destiny Jill Treanor and John Cassy Friday September 10, 1999 Technical problems at the German futures and options exchange yesterday fuelled fears in City dealing rooms that the markets could face crisis as a result of the millennium computer bug. The computer glitches, which prevented some firms from trading and running the risk of potential losses, took place yesterday - numerically written 9.9.99. Market regulators and computer experts had seen yesterday, while not quite a dry run for the turn of the year, as a test for systems ahead of the real millennium bug. Yesterday was significant because the date - 9.9.99 - was used in old computer conventions to indiciate to programs that they should stop performing certain tasks. Any hiccups which emerge after yesterday's trading will send severe warnings to the markets about the potential for meltdown in trading early in the new year if computers fail to recognise the last two digits of the year 2000. Dealers fear that if computers stop working they will not be able to trade, which might leave them exposed to enormous losses. The rumours of problems were not confined to the German exchange. The internal message board at one leading investment bank in London warned of problems with price information received from Simex, the Singapore futures exchange. The message, posted as a warning by the bank's traders in Singapore, said that the problems were caused by 9/9/99 glitches. The Eurex exchange in Frankfurt insisted that problems incurred by its clients first thing yesterday morning were not connected to the 9/9/99 computer problem. However, brokers claimed that in response to their initial inquiries, the exchange had blamed the date problem. Some users of the electronic German exchange had been forced to re-start their computers yesterday because they had stalled overnight. A spokesman for Eurex said: "The problems which occurred were not related to Y2K or the 9/9/99 problem." Eurex said the problem, quickly resolved, was caused by the failure of some computers to receive a signal, which could have happened on any day of the week. One source in London insisted yesterday: "Eurex admitted to members early on that it was having 9/9/99 problems." The City regulator, the Finanial Services Authority, had asked the firms it regulates to alert it to any problems encountered, but had not been told of any. -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FBI lab knew of tear gas projectiles at Waco as early as '93
-Caveat Lector- >From Fox News, http://www.foxnews.com/js_index.sml?content=/news/national/0910/d_ap_0910_18 4.sml - FBI lab knew of tear gas projectiles at Waco as early as '93 6.59 p.m. ET (2303 GMT) September 10, 1999 By John Solomon, Associated Press WASHINGTON (AP) A lab document that wasn't given to Congress discloses that the FBI knew within eight months of the fiery end of the Branch Davidian siege that military-style tear gas projectiles were used, The Associated Press has learned. A key final page from a 49-page FBI lab report was turned over to congressional committees this week, along with an internal Justice Department memo acknowledging it "was not produced to Congress'' during its 1995 investigations into the tragedy near Waco, Texas. The first 48 pages of the lab report had been turned over to lawmakers years ago, absent the mention of the tear gas that government officials for years had denied using. The 49th page disclosed that FBI investigators who examined the scene at Waco found a "fired US military 40 mm shell casing which originally contained a CS gas round,'' and two "expended 40mm tear gas projections.'' The report is likely to become a key piece of evidence in the independent inquiry ordered by Attorney General Janet Reno and separate congressional investigations into whether government officials tried to cover up about the use of incendiary tear gas on the final day of the siege. -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Federal agents clash with judge over seizure of Waco evidence
-Caveat Lector- >From Nando Media, http://www.nandotimes.com/politics/story/0,1068,91690-145217-1015454-0,00.ht ml - Federal agents clash with judge over seizure of Waco evidence Copyright © 1999 Nando Media Copyright © 1999 Associated Press DALLAS (September 10, 1999 4:44 p.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) - According to a Friday article in The Dallas Morning News, U.S. marshals delayed carrying out a judge's sealed order to seize more evidence from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms stemming from the Branch Davidian standoff. The marshals carried out the order after U.S. District Judge Walter Smith issued a second edict Thursday that they comply with his initial order immediately, the newspaper said, citing unidentified sources. An ATF spokesman in Washington confirmed that Smith issued the order after hearing that the agency was considering closing its Waco office. He said the judge wanted the office's contents to be preserved. "There was, I guess on his part, some concern that the office might be closing," said Jeff Roehm, public affairs chief at the agency's headquarters. "It was pretty much expected." According to the News, the chief U.S. marshal for the district spent hours debating whether to execute the order, first consulting with his agency's headquarters in Washington and the U.S. attorney's office in San Antonio. Eventually, the marshals seized files and took custody of keys to storage facilities, the News said. Smith is scheduled in October to begin hearing a wrongful death lawsuit filed against the government by Branch Davidians who survived the 1993 federal raid and subsequent fire at their compound. Last week, Smith rejected a plea by the Justice Department, parent agency of the U.S. Marshals Service, not to take control of the evidence. A Justice Department spokesman in Washington declined comment on Thursday's seizure, the newspaper said. The Waco ATF office was set up to help coordinate the federal prosecutions and contained case files and documents related to the 51-day standoff at the Branch Davidian compound. Roehm said the agency had decided to keep the office open until the end of the wrongful-death lawsuit. David Koresh and about 80 of his followers died in the April 19, 1993, fire at their Mount Carmel compound. Attorney General Janet Reno this week appointed an independent inquiry to investigate the FBI's actions at the end of the standoff after the agency revealed, after years of denials, that it fired potentially flammable tear-gas canisters at the compound on the day of the fire. The government still maintains that the Davidians set the blaze. Last Friday, Smith had to intervene before the ATF allowed the Texas Rangers access to the Waco storage facility containing the massive collection of evidence. The Rangers had asked to enter the facility to search for items relating to pyrotechnic tear-gas devices fired by the FBI. Rangers instead discovered the spent remains of a star parachute flare. -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Military gets D for Y2K
-Caveat Lector- >From CNN, http://www.cnnfn.com/1999/09/10/technology/y2k_report/ - Military gets D for Y2K House report blames hiring by private sector for slowing U.S. efforts to crawl September 10, 1999: 5:58 p.m. ET WASHINGTON (CNNfn) - Important parts of the federal government -- including the departments of Defense, Treasury, Justice, Agriculture and Health and Human Services -- are not prepared for the Y2K computer bug, according to a congressional report card released Friday. Defense scored the lowest, two "D's," according the to the ranking compiled by two House subcommittees. HHS, which overseas Medicare, child welfare, organ transplants, and other programs, received a "C" and an "F." USDA, which ensures food safety and administers food stamps, got a "C-minus" and a "D." And Treasury, the department that sends out billions in government checks every day, also got a "C-minus" and a "D." Overall, the 24 largest executive branch agencies scored a "B-minus." Scores were based on two types of computer systems, one that keeps the agencies themselves up and running, the other that impacts the public -- by cutting benefit checks, monitoring air traffic and the like. What's worse, says Rep. Stephen Horn (D-Calif.), who issued the report, with only 112 days left until Jan. 1, 2000, the progress towards solving the problem "has slowed to a snail's pace." In the last three months, Y2K compliance has increased by a scant 1 percent increase across the board, he said. Horn blamed the slowdown on state governments and the private sector for hiring away many of the federal government's Y2K experts in the last year. Not that all the news was bad. Horn, at a news conference, praised the Social Security Administration (two A's), the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (one A), and the Federal Emergency Management Agency (despite getting one D) for a job well done. And Rep. Jim Turner (D-Texas) who said Thursday he would not fly on or around Jan. 1 because of suspected Y2K problems at the FAA, reversed course and said he might. The Defense Department, which plans to spend about $4 billion chasing Y2K gremlins from its computers, was not happy at its low marks. "DOD doesn't see Y2K readiness as a graded exercise, we see it as pass or fail," a spokeswoman said tersely. "We believe we will be passing at that time of the year and will be able to carry out our national security responsibilities." She said Defense has over a third of all the relevant government computers under its watch (2,414 at last count) and that many of them are out of the country -- deployed to the Persian Gulf, Kosovo and other military hot spots. She said all those systems will be rotated back to the United States and be Y2K compliant by the end of the year. Over 90 percent of the department's computers already are, she said. Horn, despite giving the department the low marks, seemed to agree. "On the war-making side, they're OK on it," he said. "But they have a lot of other systems." Upon hearing of the Defense objections to the low marks, an aide to Horn quoted the congressman as believing "the department has done a terrific job this year on fixing Y2K." Than why the report card and the low marks? "To keep them working, urge them, prod them," the aide said. "A degree of this is subjective." -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Physicist Explains the Fireball at Waco That Killed ...
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - > > I'm afraid I'm fresh out of outrage at the parents. Nobody has yet > convinced > > me that people should not live in religious communities of their own > > choosing. This is true. In America, feel free to join an occult lodge, but heaven help you if you join a group that has a different take on the Bible. Furthermore, the "brainwashing" comment made by the other individual earlier was completely out of line. Koresh was not a charismatic man that had glowing eyes and who put spells on people. If you watch a video tape of Koresh, you will more than likely "hah," and walk away. Listen to NPR's "Father Cares: The Last of Jonestown," and to the 45 minute audio of the Jonestown massacre, both of which are readily available on the World Wide Web, and you will quickly discern that one of these occurrences involved brainwashing (Jonestown) and that one did not (Waco.) If there was any brainwashing involved at all, it may have been the repetition of common viewpoints, over and over. However this does not mean that it was the intential brainwashing of members by an insane leader - listen to any song enough times, and you will eventually like it. Find a guy "into" something, and you are likely to hear a great deal about it, whatever it is. Many of the Davidians visited the "compound" many, many times before considering staying there. This to me cancels out the presence of brainwashing as it exists on an INTENDED level. Jim Jones's converts were immediate and remained in his "aura" until that incident in history ended, and unfortuneately for some of the survivors, afterward, even up to this very day. -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Y2K bug opens door to terrorists, Bennett says: China considering attack on U.S. computers
-Caveat Lector- >From Deseret News, http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/1,1249,115007970,00.html? - Thursday, September 09, 1999 Y2K bug opens door to terrorists, Bennett says He says China considering attack on U.S. computers By Lee Davidson Deseret News Washington correspondent WASHINGTON Sen. Bob Bennett, R-Utah, says the year 2000 computer bug has created an unexpected new threat maybe bigger than the myriad other potential Y2K glitches worrying the world. He says because Y2K problems exposed how dependent America is on all-too-vulnerable computers, China indicates it might attack America by targeting its computers rather than with its military. "The Chinese have now said publicly in a paper that was published just a week ago that they are considering shutting down the United States' computers rather than attacking the United States" through military means, Bennett said. He said the Chinese paper concludes that the "American military is too strong. America's vulnerability is in its computers." Bennett said terrorists and others may follow suit. He said such attacks from hackers, industrial spies, terrorists and enemy nations are "going on right now and it will not stop on Jan. 1, 2000." Meanwhile, on the bright side, Bennett said America has made far more progress in solving Y2K glitches than he ever dreamed possible but some problems will still occur Jan. 1. Bennett gave that assessment Wednesday in a speech to the National Press Club after two years of investigating and warning about the bug as chairman of the Senate Special Committee on the Year 2000 Technology Problem. Bennett said enemies took notice when the Y2K problem showed how a minor computer glitch could wreak havoc with power, water, transportation, finance and other critical areas. That problem comes because older programs allow only two digits for a year, so the "00" when 2000 arrives would be interpreted as 1900. Bennett said, "This finally hit me as I was going through the Y2K experience. I realized how disadvantageous it would be to our economy to have all our computers fail by accident. What hit me was: What happens if they fail on purpose? "What is our vulnerability to those who wish us ill for one reason or another, who would use the depen- dence that we have on computers as an opportunity to attack us?" Bennett asked. He said, "There are the terrorists who would just love to shut us down in one way or another. We expect that they will attempt to use Y2K as a cover" for attacks, possibly slipping in viruses that computer operators may not notice as they struggle with other Y2K issues. On other Y2K matters, Bennett said, "We have accomplished far more than I would have predicted." But, he added, "Unfortunately, we still face the challenge that most of the (optimistic) information in front of us is self-reported. . . . There's always a concern that it may be a little too rosy." So, he added, "the situation is that awareness has paid off and work has been done but where fingers must still be crossed." He also warned that experts say "even in those systems that have had the greatest amount of work has been done to alleviate problems, there is going to be a series of failures." "Where? I don't know," he said. He added those failures are predicted to be minor and relatively easy to repair at organizations that have been working hard on the problem. "Most of the experts say the problems in the United States can be solved in 72 hours. And that's a very reassuring kind of number," he said. Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., the ranking Democrat on the committee, appeared with Bennett, noting foreign nations are in much worse shape than America in addressing the problem. He said many countries in "South America, Africa, Asia and even parts of Europe clearly are not prepared for Y2K." He said the biggest concerns are in China, Japan, Russia and Italy. Dodd said he is also concerned with the U.S. health-care industry because it is especially dependent on computer microchips in equipment, and some recent testing showed some supposedly Y2K-compliant machines still will fail. Dodd said the biggest threat from Y2K is that people may panic and unnecessarily hoard money and food, creating shortages because of it. He said no need exists for such hoarding. -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread througho
[CTRL] FBI says illumination flares fired to monitor compound
-Caveat Lector- >From Tampa Bay Online, http://www.tampabayonline.net/news/news102c.htm - 9/9/99 -- 6:31 AM Report: FBI says illumination flares fired to monitor compound --- DALLAS (AP) - A spent illumination flare found in evidence stored after the Branch Davidian tragedy may have been one of two such devices fired by FBI agents to stop an intruder from entering the sect's compound during the early days of the standoff, The Dallas Morning News reported today. Two of the flares were fired as members of the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team kept watch over the compound near Waco, FBI spokesman John Collingwood told the newspaper. ``From talking to people in our Hostage Rescue Team, at one time, when your floodlight illumination was not active, they shot two parachute illumination rounds because of concern about people trying to sneak into the compound,'' he said. Texas Rangers discovered the spent remains of one of the devices, a star parachute flare, when they searched a Waco storage facility Friday for missing pyrotechnic tear-gas grenades. James Francis Jr., chairman of the Texas Public Safety Commission, said the discovery was troubling because the government had powerful spotlights trained on the Davidian compound during most of the 51-day standoff and would not have needed a flare to light up the area. Collingwood said none of the devices were used by the Hostage Rescue Team on April 19, 1993, the day the Branch Davidian compound burned, killing David Koresh and about 80 followers. The government has maintained the Branch Davidians deliberately set the fires. An independent review of the standoff has been ordered by Attorney General Janet Reno. A major focus of the investigation will be whether the FBI fired flammable devices into the compound and why it took six years to acknowledge the use of military tear-gas canisters. Copyright 1999 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The truth about Waco
nd on and on. I often wonder why I survived the blaze while so many others did not. Perhaps it was to be some sort of a witness. That's why I wrote a book about the siege and Koresh and life at Mount Carmel. Maybe that's also why the recent Waco news has left me both angry and relieved. Angry because for so long the FBI has called others and myself liars for suggesting they did what they now admit they did. Relieved because perhaps the truth is finally, slowly, starting to emerge. The FBI lied about the pyrotechnic devices for six years, demonizing the Branch Davidians in the process. They also inspired a large number of extremists -- people like Timothy McVeigh -- who in turn have killed others, even though we had no affinity with the right. What's harder to believe: that the FBI, by shooting explosive devices into an area they had saturated with flammable gas, helped spark a deadly inferno? Or that the FBI honestly didn't know anything at all about the evidence that it has suddenly discovered in its files and recollections? Let us hope that we do not have to wait another six years before the complete and terrible truth about what happened on that cold April morning is finally disclosed. salon.com | Sept. 9, 1999 About the writer David Thibodeau's book, "A Place Called Waco: A Survivor's Story, has just been published by PublicAffairs/Perseus Books. He can be reached at his Web site. -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Millennium bug dogs London Electricity
-Caveat Lector- >From http://cnnfntech.newsreal.com/story/19990908/11/30/5737359_st.html - City: Millennium bug dogs London Electricity The Daily Telegraph London LONDON Electricity's millennium bug is continuing to trouble the company. Several hundred householders were left without power at one stage and hundreds of others have experienced problems because new meter power keys designed to be year 2000 compliant, failed to work. The company has suspended the issue of keys designed to ensure meters could comfortably cope with tariff changes after January 1, and is continuing to issue the old, unbugged keys. The keys, charged with credit, enable 400,000 householders to pay for electricity as they use it. Software problems are being blamed, but London admits there have also been problems involving training agents issuing the keys. The bug struck last month when London suspended the issue of the new-style keys after being inundated with complaints and being forced to send emergency teams into homes to restore supplies and get meters working again. A spokesman said yesterday it was unlikely the new keys would be back on the market before the end of the month. Software programs, loaded into the new keys to make the meters bug-free, are being changed by the manufacturers Schlumberger and Siemens to ease the headache. London also discovered that the new- style key supplied by Siemens did not work because it was faulty. The German supplier is now supplying "a whole new batch of keys". The French-owned company is paying compensation to customers and trying to provide reassurance to householders that the bug will be under control when they get their next set of keys. A spokesman said that other electricity suppliers had experienced similar meter headaches, although conceded they were not on London's scale. "We have many more householders using meters because of London's different social problems," he added. (Copyright 1999 (c) The Telegraph plc, London) _via IntellX_ Publication Date: September 08, 1999 Powered by NewsReal's IndustryWatch -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] McVeigh's ex-attorney links bombing, Waco
-Caveat Lector- >From The Oklahoman, http://www.oklahoman.com/cgi-bin/getarticle?ID=372785 - McVeigh's ex-attorney links bombing, Waco 09/09/1999 The Associated Press The attorney who defended Timothy McVeigh says he does not believe the Oklahoma City federal building would have been bombed had the entire truth about the Branch Davidian standoff near Waco, Texas, been told immediately. Attorney Stephen Jones said he agrees with federal prosecutors that the fiery end to the Waco standoff prompted the bombing. "Had the wheels of justice worked and there been an independent investigation and the responsibility assessed, there would have been no reason for an attack on the federal government in Oklahoma City," Jones told the Tulsa World for Thursday's editions. Prosecutors alleged that McVeigh was angry about how the government handled its attempt to arrest David Koresh at the Branch Davidian compound in 1993. -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Don't limit Waco probe to FBI's tear-gas use
-Caveat Lector- >From http://www.roanoke.com/roatimes/news/story75609.html - Wednesday, September 08, 1999 Restoring credibility Don't limit Waco probe to FBI's tear-gas use By ROWLAND NETHAWAY WACO, TEXAS -- A lot more needs to be answered than simply why it took FBI officials and Attorney General Janet Reno six years to report that agents fired flammable tear gas canisters during the deadly final assault on the Branch Davidians' compound in 1993. If that's the only question that this new investigation attempts to answer, the exercise will be another waste of paper and will make Americans even more cynical about their government. It's obvious why it took until now for Reno and FBI Director Louis Freeh to talk about the need to investigate the firing of incendiary military tear-gas rounds the morning that the compound was engulfed in flames. They had no choice. Right up until physical evidence to the contrary was dropped in their laps, they denied for six years that FBI agents fired pyrotechnic devices. Assuming the leaders of the Justice Department and the Federal Bureau of Investigation were misled by their own people, then they both are in charge of such slipshod operations that some of the nation's top law-enforcement officials are not above misleading their bosses, Congress and the American people. That's the charitable assessment. A recently discovered videotape shot from a surveillance aircraft that morning contains a soundtrack that clearly contains discussions among FBI Hostage Rescue Team members in which a team member asks a superior for permission to fire military tear-gas cartridges that release gas by burning. An FBI superior grants permission to fire the incendiary tear-gas cartridges. The radio traffic among assault-team members was monitored in real time throughout the FBI chain of command at the scene and by FBI officials in Washington, D.C., either simultaneously or with a slight time delay, according to an FBI official. After it was clear that the assault and subsequent inferno resulted in a historic tragedy, FBI officials in Waco held a press conference to make their first unequivocal denial that FBI agents fired incendiary or pyrotechnic devices during the assault. An outside investigation needs to answer a lot more than why Reno and FBI officials misled Congress and the American people about the pyrotechnic tear gas for the past six years. The purpose of a new probe should be to ensure American citizens that they can respect the fairness and honesty of their government. Another piecemeal investigation can never accomplish this goal. A new investigation into ""what happened in Waco'' should encompass the entire gamut of government involvement from beginning to end. Was there probable cause for the search warrant, for instance? Was military involvement in the raid, siege and final assault out of bounds? Were military officials misled? Why did the FBI refuse to cooperate with the Texas Rangers during the siege and go out of its way to destroy crucial crime-scene evidence? Why was an arson investigator hired with close ties to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms? For the sake of the credibility of the federal government, there should be an outside investigation of the entire Branch Davidian debacle. Malefactors should be held accountable. ROWLAND NETHAWAY is senior editor of the Waco (Texas) Tribune-Herald. COX NEWSPAPERS -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Centuries-old Scottish secret society discovered
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Das GOAT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I guess you have to be an "initiated" member of the most politically powerful > secret societies, welcomed into the exclusive "Men's Club," to be made truly > privy to their "secret of secrets" in an "illuminating" way ... The rich ARE > different, I take it ... Just different in the sense that it is all just a mindset. One person can walk across a bridge past monuments & buildings and see just that, while the ones steeped in such junk will see phalluses, references to the sun-god and a virtual 'playland' of other symbolic effigies. It is literally like the movie 'They Live' ... their so-called knowledge becomes a lens through which their mind is made able to peer off into an encyclopedic abyss of what they have been told is 'truth.' Too bad it's just the same old pagan sun-god and phallic nonsense that countless others before have sat around obsessing over forever.. I suppose it begins there, and then mutates into madness, leading them to measure each other, dress in drag, etc. -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] SPECIAL OPS INVOLVED IN WACO OPERATION PRIOR TO FATAL BATF RAID
raid n the Branch Davidian complex. USASOC had expressed reservations about the type of mission that was being planned and the possible legal and liability issues that such a mission posed. A fax cover sheet for a draft message to be sent to Joint Task Force Six regarding these issues a handwritten note expressed concerns and to "reinforce SOF resistance to potential "CHEATING" which seems to recur @ JTF-6." It is clear from the documents that FRONTLINE has examined so far that the Branch Davidian mission was controversial at best within USASOC. FRAGO "E" was the result of continual lobbying and mission redefinition on the part of BATF Headquarters and Joint Task Force Six. In an after action report detailing Special Operations Forces Involvement in the mission (JT002-93) the BATF had asked for a much larger involvement of US Military forces including SOT/CQB (Special Operations Tactics/Close Quarter Battle) training, Bradley fighting vehicles, on site medical evacuation assistance and assistance in planning. All of these items are clear violations of the Posse Comitatus Act. The document also states: "Legal reservations caused request to be downscoped to MTT (Mobile Training Team) training in company level tactical C2 (Command and Control), Medical Evacuation Training, IV ABC's, assistance with range and MOUT sites." The BATF eventually received small arms training as a part of this operation including hand guns, sub machine guns and sniper rifles. The most telling part of this document comes in the statement of the "Possibility that drug-connection was overstated to secure cost-free SOF training and assistance. No mention of drugs in public media." Perhaps the most profound observation of the entire exercise comes from this document as well, "AS A GENERAL PRINCIPLE, WHAT SOF DO DOES NOT LEND ITSELF TO MOST LAW ENFORCEMENT SITUATIONS." -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] French Justice Ministry investigates destruction of Scientology evidence
-Caveat Lector- >From CNN, http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/europe/9909/08/BC-France-Scientology.ap/index.html - French Justice Ministry investigates destruction of Scientology evidence September 8, 1999 Web posted at: 7:06 AM EDT (1106 GMT) PARIS (AP) -- France's Justice Ministry opened an investigation Wednesday into the destruction of key evidence against the Church of Scientology in a Marseille court, according to judicial sources. Marseille court officials alerted the Justice Ministry to the removal of more than three tons of evidence in August, the sources said on customary condition of anonymity. The Marseille prosecutor's office said in a statement that the destruction of certain sealed files was a result of "negligence" by a court clerk and not an intentional act. The documents relate to an investigation opened in 1990 against regional Scientology leaders in the southern coastal cities of Marseille and Nice for fraud and the illegal practice of medicine. Seven of those leaders are scheduled to go on trial Sept. 20. The destruction of the evidence will not delay the trial, the sources said. According to a lawyer representing the plaintiff, a former Scientologist, the evidence destroyed includes financial statements, notes concerning Scientology members and apparatus known as "electrometers," designed to measure "self-control." The lawyer, Jean-Michel Pesenti, said the documents were relatively unimportant, but that the church could try to use their disappearance to delay the trial. The case was initially put off in 1995 due to a procedural error. A Paris appeals court is expected to rule Sept. 29 on a similar case against the Church of Scientology in which evidence also disappeared. France has long had a contentious relationship with Scientology, which is fighting to be recognized as a legitimate religion in Europe. In July, France's highest court upheld the acquittal of nine Scientology members accused of corruption and theft, ruling it lacked the authority to decide whether Scientology is a religion. French prosecutors had argued the church was a sect that defrauded people of their money. France registers the church on a list of 173 groups that should be tracked to prevent cult activities. Most other European countries also don't accept it as a religion. Founded in 1954 by science fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard, the Los Angeles-based organization teaches that technology can expand the mind and help solve human problems. Copyright 1999 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] London-based Muslim calls for holy war
-Caveat Lector- >From the Sunday Times, http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/Sunday-Times/stinwenws02012.html?99 9 - September 5 1999 BRITAIN London-based Muslim calls for holy war Mark Macaskill and Nicholas Rufford A MUSLIM cleric is running the risk of being deported after calling for attacks with biological weapons on western targets. Omar Bakri Muhammad, a refugee and father of seven living in north London, has emerged as the extreme voice of international Muslim fanaticism. He is a friend of Abu Hamza, the mullah with metal claws for hands, who was linked to the Britons imprisoned in Yemen on terrorist charges. In an open letter read out in mosques across Britain and published on the internet, Bakri called on Muslims to rise up in a jihad, or holy war, against America and its allies. Bakri, who has claimed disability benefit and income support, addressed his call to Osama Bin Laden, the terrorist suspected of bombing two American embassies and murdering 256 people. Bakri invited Bin Laden to "aim your weapons at occupying forces". "May Allah protect you and grant you victory," he said. He later advocated the use of germ agents against westerners occupying holy lands. The letter was taken off the internet after American officials complained. David Lidington, shadow Home Office minister, said Bakri's "grotesque" remarks would cause offence to most people, including British Muslims, and called on the government to take appropriate action. The Home Office was studying a copy of Bakri's letter last night. "We do not discuss individual cases, but the home secretary has powers under the Immigration Act to refuse entry or deport nationals if he is satisfied that a person's presence in the UK is not conducive to the public good," it said. Bakri, 41, the founder of Al-Muhajiroun - the Emigrants - came to Britain from Saudi Arabia in 1985, where he was threatened with arrest after preaching jihad. He was granted asylum. He uses an orange disability badge in his car and has a free public transport travel permit. Last week Bakri said that civilian casualties were inevitable in a holy war: "Using any biological weapons in self-defence is, in Islam, permissible, and I believe that we are currently operating under a defensive jihad. Obviously, we regret what could happen to innocent people, but there are always people who are war casualties or, if you like, victims of war." War cry: Bakri advocates germ warfare against the West His open letter to Bin Laden was posted on his own website and read in mosques in Sheffield, Bradford, Leicester and London. Yossef Bodansky, director of the United States Task Force on Terrorism, said: "Bakri knows that his letter will be acted upon and that is why he has written it." It amounted to an incitement to violence. Bodansky said Bin Laden had taken encouragement from Bakri's message and had issued a reply that was read out in mosques in Pakistan and Britain. The American government is offering a reward of $5m for information leading to the capture of Bin Laden, who is blamed for terrorist attacks on American embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, last year. Bakri first came to the attention of the British government in 1991, when he allegedly called for the assassination of John Major for Britain's part in the Gulf war. He says the British are a legitimate target "because London called for the destruction of the Khalifate [the international Islamic state]". He reserves his harshest words for America and for the "terrorist, blaspheming, Jewish, murdering, pirate state of Israel". He works from an office in a business park in Tottenham, north London. The office is registered as Info 2000 Software Ltd, but when The Sunday Times called last week he admitted the name was a cover. He spends his days using the internet to rally support for his holy war and is planning a rally at the Albert Hall later this month. British Muslims backed calls for action against him. Ahmed Versi, editor of Muslim News, a national publication, said: "We are concerned by the statements he is making. They damage our position in the community and create a negative image of Muslims." Ahmed & Co, Bakri's solicitor, said Bakri "strongly takes issue with the wild and erroneous interpretations placed by Bodansky on the contents of his open letter to Bin Laden". He also "publicly condemns" terrorism, it said. oOne of the three suspects held in Britain in connection with the American embassy bombings was accused yesterday of swearing allegiance to the Al Quade group, headed by Bin Laden. Washington is seeking extradition of Khalid Al Fawwaz, 36, a leading member of the London-based Advice and Reformation Committee, which the FBI claims was a front for Al Quade. Additional reporting: Kevin Dowling -- Dan S DECLARATION &
[CTRL] Flares Found in Waco Evidence, Report Says
-Caveat Lector- >From the Daily Oklahoman, http://www.oklahoman.com/cgi-bin/shart?ID=372108&TP=getarticle - Flares Found in Waco Evidence, Report Says 09/08/1999 DALLAS (AP) Several spent illumination flares were found in the tons of evidence recovered from the charred rubble of the Branch Dividian compound near Waco, The Dallas Morning News reported today. The newspaper said Texas Rangers discovered a star parachute flare while sifting through a storage facility Friday for missing pyrotechnic tear gas grenades. Evidence logs showed more such incendiary flares were recovered in the weeks following the FBI siege and assault on April 19, 1993, said James B. Francis Jr., head of the Texas Department of Public Safety. ``These flares are potentially a very important issue, inasmuch as the government had enormous spotlights trained on the compound throughout the standoff.'' ``They didn't need these flares to light the compound. One or more was fired,'' Francis told the newspaper. ``For what purpose or reason would these rounds be used?'' John Collingwood, an FBI spokesman, told the newspaper he could not flatly rule out the agency's use of illumination rounds during the deadly siege but said they played no part in the final assault. ``Several times during the standoff, they had people sneaking in or out of the compound at night. Whether they ever used them then, I don't know,'' said Collingwood. ``But I can say categorically, we did not use illumination rounds on the 19th.'' David Koresh and 78 followers died in the fire and assault at the compound following the 51-day siege. The government has maintained that the fires which destroyed the compound were deliberately set by the Branch Davidians. Some GOP lawmakers want to know whether the FBI lied for several months about using incendiary tear gas canisters during the final raid. The possibility of launching an independent inquiry has been discussed. Use of the pyrotechnic rounds, Attorney General Janet Reno has said, violated her strict instructions that nothing capable of sparking a fire be used during the FBI tear-gas assault. Some 24,000 pounds of evidence has been recovered from the burned compound, plus more than 300,000 rounds of ammunition and other ordnance stockpiled by the sect. ``There is a big semiwarehouse of spent munitions that has not been investigated,'' one unnamed Texas official told the newspaper. ``Nobody knew what they were looking for before now. Nobody was hunting for incendiary devices.'' All content copyrighted, 1999 The Oklahoma Publishing Co -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Waco...the beginning
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: C Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > In a murder you must ask the question...who gained? Who would benefit from > the murder of David Koresh? He claimed to be Christ. He claimed Messiah. So David Koresh, from what I know, never claimed to be the God, "creator of the universe." He claimed to be a Christ-like figure, a TOOL of God, one of many. The 2-second video clip at the time period of him saying "I am God" was taken completely out of context from within which those words were uttered. More than less Koresh claimed his role with the group was one of a teacher and of a tool, or "lamb" used by God - in other words, he never really claimed anything past being the leader of a church. -- Dan S DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Centuries-old Scottish secret society discovered
the Earl of Lauderdale). Even
George IV belonged, and when one of the members made off with the wig, the
King graciously presented them with a silver snuff-box containing the pubic
hair of his current mistress, thus preserving, albeit in a minor mode, the
Royal connection.
That the Society is said to have survived as long as it did is amazing, for
it was only wound up on the eve of the Victorian age, in 1836. Its last
Secretary, so the tradition went, burnt its records, though not before
someone had made a fair copy of them, and, incredibly, given the remaining
funds to provide prizes at the local school. The Society's artefacts, the
glassware, the pewter and the horn blown at appropriately bizarre moments,
were taken to America. Or so it was said.
I rang the National Library of Scotland where, once they had stopped
laughing, they said they would make enquiries. I was rung back, and a
slightly stunned voice said that St Andrews University, eight miles from
Anstruther, might know more.
"Ah yes," said a lady in the university's Special Collection sadly. "There
are papers." These, she went on, were kept in a box in a strong room. She
had never seen them, only a few even knew of their existence, but she had
once been in a room with a man who had been reading them. There were also,
she said, things.
"Yes, I keep them in a cupboard in my room," said Dr Ian Carradice, the
keeper of the Museum Collection. "I think of them in the same terms as some
of our medical items, but my predecessor didn't want to advertise the fact
that we even had them."
Has anyone ever asked to see them? "To the best of my knowledge, just one
man. Professor David Stevenson has for some years been trying to write a
book about the Beggars Bennison, ever since the contents of the cupboard
were revealed to him. It was, he said, an uphill job on account of the
double meanings he found it almost impossible to evade. But yes, they were
all there, the platter, the glass, the silver snuff-box ("full of some very
curly hair"), also an empty wig-box. "The University, to its horror, was
given them by a solicitor from Fife, for everything you've heard about the
Society, I'm afraid, is true."
It consisted, he said, of the oddest mixture of men. There were Jacobites
and Hanoverians, smugglers and customs officers, but they all had one thing
in common, they were against the Government, except that from this they went
on to be against everything. In the 1730s there was a great scare about the
effects of masturbation, so they decided to elevate this into a semi-social
and extremely beneficial activity. Sex, smuggling and Jacobite politics,
Prof. Stevenson went on, did not fit easily into academic history.
"And it gets worse. Did you know that they had a St Petersburg branch? After
a while nothing about them surprised me." The artefacts were kept by the
last Secretary. Who was he? "I'm afraid, the Town Clerk of Anstruther. Then
in the 1920s they were bought by a Colonel Kavanagh, who, with eight other
Army officers, one a VC, tried to revive the Society. What they got up to is
not known but this involved dawn rites on the banks of the Forth.
"When Kavanagh died, his wife tried to sell the relics to the National
Museum, saying she had turned down all American offers on the grounds that
they were part of our national heritage. Of course they nearly fainted, and
in the end the things came to St Andrews which has kept very quiet about
them ever since."
It is in all our interests that the Scottish Assembly succeeds. If it
doesn't, the tape measures will be out again.
--
Dan S
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[CTRL] Y2K news links
-Caveat Lector- Y2K Czar has no real power to get U.S. to take seriously a potential crisis http://www.startext.net/news/doc/1047/1:COMP75/1:COMP75120598.html British navy unprepared for Y2K - 90% of systems unprotected http://www.cbcnews.cbc.ca:80/cgi-bin/templates/view.cgi?/news/1998/12/05/computer981205 Navy all at see over millennium bug http://www.news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_228000/228868.stm The man who's trying to overcome time http://www.phillynews.com:80/inquirer/98/Dec/06/business/CZAR06.htm Y2K affects more than computers http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/ctd833.htm NATO looks into Russian Nukes, Y2K bug http://www.foxnews.com/js_index.sml?content=/world/120398/y2knato.sml Y2K will arrive ahead of schedule http://www.intellectualcapital.com/issues/98/1203/icbusiness2.asp European Commission sounds Y2K alarm http://cnn.com:80/TECH/computing/9812/04/europe.y2k.idg/ Y2L spawns new breed of survivalist http://insidedenver.com/news/1206yk1.shtml Millennium bug takes flying fear to new height http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=001036222020742&rtmo=lwwnFHQt&atmo=Q5eb&P4_FOLLOW_ON=/98/12/5/nmil05.html&pg=/et/98/12/5/nmil05.html -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] US halted plot to oust Saddam
-Caveat Lector- I remember fowarding the original information concerning the plot to overthrow Saddam by Iraqi Republic Guards, when it was occurring, to either CTRL or Biowar. In any case, this is a follow-up. From: http://reports.guardian.co.uk/articles/1998/12/6/36964.html - US halted plot to oust Saddam In June, Iraqi Republican Guards were poised to overthrow Saddam Hussein. Helga Graham reports on the man behind the plot and his backer - CIA agent 'Mr Fox' Sunday December 6, 1998 The US put on hold a coup planned by elements within the elite Republican Guard which had a real prospect of removing President Saddam Hussein, according to a dissident regarded by the Iraqi leader as one of his most dangerous enemies. Abdel Razak Sultan al-Juburi, a former general in the Guard, said the coup had been in preparation for a year and was 'well advanced'. But on 30 June he had been told by a US agent to postpone it - despite the Administration's public statements of support for the Iraqi opposition. 'He said we will stop now, but in six months' time or maybe one year, we will contact you again in London or Saudi Arabia,' Juburi said, recounting the conversation with his Ankara-based CIA contact, a 'Mr Fox'. Now a refugee attempting to find a foothold on the fringes of Eastern Europe, Juburi will this week renew his application for entry to the UK. In the precarious security situation in Belgrade, where he was forced to seek asylum, his safety must be a matter of some concern. Saddam has twice placed a huge price on his head - in 1995 the reward was an 'open cheque' in US dollars. His revelations about US and Saudi intelligence operations may also put him at risk. He has been told by Fox that he can expect no US support for his application for entry to Britain. 'We can't help you to make contact with the British. We don't like or allow the British to be involved in our operations,' Fox told him. By contrast, the Iraqi National Congress, the opposition group led by Dr Ahmad Chalabi, has - according to the US press - received around $40 million from the US and was last month invited to brief Congress. Juburi said: 'Internally, the psychological and political effects [of the postponement] will be devastating. The Republican Guard would now be ready to follow a well-organised revolt. People are boiling.' Young officers in the Republican Guard previously masterminded Iraq's most serious potential coup, just before the Gulf war in January 1990. After ignoring him for a number of years, the CIA approached Juburi briefly in 1995 and more seriously in April 1997. He had by then already set up an underground organisation in Iraq. Despite its few resources, it has hit the regime hard. Juburi travelled once a month to Dahok in northern Iraq, making contact with officers through intermediaries. Fox declared himself well satisfied with an operation and, according to Juburi, said it was 'the best ever'. But Juburi was frustrated by the meagre funds - less than $100,000 spent in a year - and other restrictions. He was prevented from contacting a group of exiled Iraqi officers in Holland. 'Not for now,' said Fox. A final straw for a shaken Juburi was Fox's languid timetable for ousting Saddam, over three to four years. 'He also said Saddam was strong,' says Juburi, less in anger than disbelief. Encouraged by the promised US support of the Iraqi opposition and the lavish $100 million voted for the task by Congress, he flew to Istanbul to be close to the action, hoping his own 'postponed' coup would take off. Here a second shock awaited him. Despite possession of a valid visa, Turkey rejected him, as did Pakistan and Jordan. Both put him on the next flight back to Istanbul. Fox declined to help with US allies in Jordan and Turkey. After this airport merry-go-round, Juburi's wife and young family were forced to camp in the transit lounge at Istanbul for a fortnight while Juburi was held in semi-detention by the Turkish police. Meanwhile, Juburi was trying to find a 'safe haven' for his family - not an easy task for an Iraqi without financial resources. A tall, well-built, impressively controlled man in his early forties, Juburi was one of Iraq's most decorated soldiers in its war with Iran. >From a sheikh-status family linked to Iraq's former parliament, he has been fully committed from early in his military career to opposing Saddam. He is unideological, a modernising democrat against both Saddam's repression and his corrupt cronyism. In 1991, he disobeyed orders to kill Shia Muslims in Kerbala and disappeared underground, a hefty price on his head within hours. After fleeing Iraq, he returned to rescue his family, bringing them out across a perilous no man's land. He returned to Iraq again in 1994, 'disguised and working at night' - the first and only Iraqi to set up an organised, military-style underground opposition both among civilians and the Republican Guard. With astonishing aplomb, Juburi now turn
Re: [CTRL] Possible Santa Conspiracy Uncovered
-Caveat Lector- Brian Redman wrote: > (CNNS, 12/05/98) -- Sherman Skolnick III, grandson of > Chicago-area researcher Sherman Skolnick, has issued a press > release in which the 7-year-old investigator insists that there > is no Santa Claus. "It's all a plot by adults. They are all > lying to us. There is no Santa Claus," said the young Skolnick. This is propaganda from the same labs that suggested the Easter Bunny isn't real. Santa continues to bring me toys and partake of the snacks I leave for him. I propose an alternate conspiracy theory. This message was sent from Santa Claus, who is sick and tired of bringing children gifts. Proof comes from the name of the sender of the message, Brian "Redman," as in the fat red man who jettisons down the chimney with toys for all. Brian Redman is Santa Claus, and he's sick of bringing us gifts. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Weaver angry at U.S. over Ruby Ridge
-Caveat Lector- From: http://insidedenver.com/news/1205weav6.shtml - Weaver angry at U.S. over Ruby Ridge Son, wife killed during 17-month siege with marshals, FBI in 1992 By Kevin Flynn News Staff Writer Randy Weaver, an idol of many in the anti-government movement, went after federal agents in absentia when he told his side of the story of the 1992 Ruby Ridge tragedy on Friday at the Denver Preparedness Expo. "Some of them believe they're God and they can do anything they want to you," Weaver told an audience of several hundred people. Weaver's wife, Vicki, and 14-year-old son, Sam, were killed during a siege of the Weaver home in Idaho by U.S. marshals and FBI agents. Marshal William Degan was killed during a shootout. "A lot of people tell me I have to forgive these people for what they did," Weaver said. "No I don't, not unless they have a contrite heart." Weaver kept his presentation to about as many words as he exchanged with federal agents during the 17 months he was holed up in his mountain-top home. He talked for just six minutes as the featured speaker kicking off the lectures at the Expo's opening day. He took questions when he finished, but politely declined one questioner who asked for details of the events of the deadly siege. He drew applause when he said he hopes for chaos in the coming year from Y2K computer glitches. Y2K stands for year 2000, when some computer programs that operate with two-digit year entries are predicted to fail and cause widespread disruption of goods and services. The Preparedness Expo, which runs through Sunday at the Merchandise Mart on East 58th Avenue at Interstate 25, is drawing people in search of survival goods. "I hope Y2K shuts the government down totally and they have to go out and get real jobs," Weaver said. Weaver, 50, is at the Expo to sell the self-published book he wrote with his daughter, Sara, 22, titled The Federal Siege at Ruby Ridge in Our Own Words. Asked about the major difference between his book and others written about the event that galvanized the citizen patriot movement in America, Weaver said, "Everything in this one is true." Weaver and his children won $3.1 million from the government to settle a lawsuit they brought over the killings. Weaver and a friend at the siege, Kevin Harris, both were wounded and later were put on trial in Degan's killing. They were found innocent of murder. Weaver blames the entire episode on federal law enforcement bungling and "lack of common sense." A white separatist who knew people in the Aryan Nations movement in northern Idaho, Weaver says he was targeted for three years by a government informant trying to turn him into a snitch against Aryan Nations. The informant got Weaver to sell him two sawed-off shotguns in 1989. Agents later threatened to prosecute him on the illegal weapons charge unless he cooperated. He refused. When he was given the wrong date for his trial and didn't show up, a fugitive warrant was issued and Weaver resolved to stay on Ruby Ridge. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] N. Ireland Police Blame Masonic Orangemen For Violence
-Caveat Lector- From: http://www.cwnews.com/news/getstory.cfm?recnum=9086 - Northern Ireland Police Blame Orangemen For Violence DUBLIN (CWNews.com) - In Northern Ireland, the Chief Constable of the Royal Ulster Constabulary, Ronnie Flanagan, has hit out at attempts by Orangemen to blame police for last night's trouble in Drumcree, in which 10 policemen were injured. Members of the Masonic Orange Lodge have been camped at Drumcree in County Armagh since July, when they were refused permission to march through a Catholic area to commemorate the victory of the Protestant King William of Orange at the Battle of the Boyne in 1690. Flanagan -- a Protestant -- said one thousand Orangemen arrived in Drumcree last night with fireworks in their back pockets, with iron bars, cudgels, stones, bricks, and bottles, with the intention of provoking violence and confrontation with police. Four protesters were treated in hospital after the clashes but there were no arrests. None of the RUC injuries were serious. Portadown Orange Lodge spokesman, David Jones, said Orangemen intended to continue the protest until they were allowed down the nationalist Garvaghy road. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] CIA Role In Satellite Case Leads To Probe - Report
-Caveat Lector- From: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/ts/story.html?s=v/nm/19981205/ts/satellites_2.html - Saturday December 5 12:08 AM ET CIA Role In Satellite Case Leads To Probe - Report WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Justice Department is investigating whether the CIA obstructed justice by giving Hughes Electronics Corp information about a congressional inquiry into the transfer of U.S. space technology to China, The Washington Post reported Saturday. Quoting unidentified senior federal government officials, the newspaper said high-ranking CIA officials had agreed to testify next week before a federal grand jury about information provided earlier this year to Hughes. The company has supplied the CIA with satellites and sophisticated communications equipment for decades. The CIA gave Hughes information about the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence's technology transfer investigation that might have enabled the firm to anticipate the moves of congressional investigators, the Post said. The Justice Department initiated the probe at the request of the Senate committee. The report said the committee was alarmed to learn the CIA had told Hughes the names of company officials which the agency had previously supplied to the panel to assist in its investigation. A CIA official acknowledged that the agency may have erred in providing certain information to Hughes, the Post said. But the official said the information was turned over in the normal course of business between the agency and one of its major classified contractors with no intention of interfering with the Senate investigation. A spokesman for the company told the Post: ``Hughes has not been provided information by the CIA regarding the details of federal criminal investigations involving Hughes.'' Hughes and Loral Space & Communications Ltd (NYSE:LOR - news) are under investigation by the Justice Department and two congressional committees for their role in transferring technology to the Chinese after satellites belonging to Hughes and Loral were destroyed in two Chinese rocket explosions. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
