[CTRL] DOPE SUPPORTERS bible.B
-Caveat Lector- #1 You support the "freedoms" of drunks, dope users and all the above to endanger and sacrifice a % of innocent victims or #2 You do not support the freedoms of people to endanger and sacrifice any victims? #3 or .. you are a two face hypocrite who denies others the same freedoms you wish to grant drunks and dope users? Which is it Jethro? /// Your arguments are specious and you jump to ridiculous conclusions. My opinion of course. The connections you make in your e-mails are not valid. It boils down to freedom, as you say, but freedom to do as one pleases as long as it does not hurt someone else or damage property that does not belong to you. \\\ * Note how this one WILL NOT RESPOND TO THE QUESTIONS. * Next he says it is his opinion but he does not give HIS opinion of any other possibilities then the 3 listed (THERE ARE NONE !) * The connections I make are not valid, but he has no reason why they are not valid. His original arguments were it is the "freedom" of people to endanger others and sacrifice a % of others so they can get their cookies off. Every one of my examples fit HIS arguments. * Next he says people should have their freedoms as long as it does not harm others, BUT THE FACT IS dopers/drunks... when in a stupor DO Cause us to pay higher taxes, cause us to pay higher insurance, injure and kill innocent people ! == Another began to quote bible to make his argument and when I countered with bible that exposed his "bible" arguments, he says: For some people, religion is a teacher of morals. Morals help shape good character. How can you be a good judge of character if you don't examine the foundation of a person's morals and ethics? /// It was you who quoted bible verses as some kind of CHRISTIAN proof to protect dope users. You wish to pretend like the bible is some truth UNTIL that same bible trashes your arguments ... and then that TRUTH is only some moral teaching? In my years I have identified atheist, homosexuals, humanist, pagans ... God haters of all kinds. BUT when it fits their purpose, how they quote bible scriptures to prove some truth ! There is another nice little "moral" teaching from the bible... By their fruits, you will know them (evil beings) If the bible be true or nay, the hypocrisy of the bible haters expose them for what they are. === In the last couple of days the only arguments I have seen have been "whats-a-matter-wit-you". In debate, I have found the golden proofs/arguments are those one's adversary will not respond to. When they begin to dance around the arguments and change the issues to whats-a-matter-wit-you, they are grasping for straws. Who's delusions of the truth is right? Like any good investigation the process of elimination works very well. Look for those who keep on changing their story. Look for those who must have double standards. Look for those who change the questions to an attack on others. Look for those who will not reply to the questions posed. Now I need only arrange your arguments in the categories they belong in and present them before the jury. Thank you Mr pervert, Mr bleeding heart liberal, Miss wiccan, Mr atheist ... you have provided all the pieces of the puzzle and each juror will be able to arrive at their own verdict. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Sorry just have to ask "Where is Libertaria? How far is it, and how do I get there? if you can promise me Janet Reno won't be there I might be interested...hmmm.." /// Because we now have party mobs running the country Liberals think they can get stupid people to jump out of the frying pan into the fire. "Where is Libertaria?" It is a step toward the Liberterian party. A bunch of liberal, humanist, atheist, "witches", crystal power, homosexual, dope supporter ... political party want-a-be s DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] DOPE SUPPORTERS-Disposable victims
-Caveat Lector- I started the dope debate to collect all arguments. I had no idea that I would get so many. I have created a folder to put all the post so I could sort out the arguments pro and con. When people take a stand from scratch or when they are emotionally involved, they can not see the forest for the trees... but if they can stand back and see both sides of the argument before they step into the debate, they can take their choice as to where they stand from all info. I will post this last note and then collect your responses and put into my dope folder. === The only argument I have seen that is left is: This is not a valid argument IMO. Besides I would submit that there are plenty of people who are crazy who walk around all the time with a loaded weapon and DON'T shoot anyone. Should they all be punished simply because they MIGHT do something wrong? The POTENTIAL for crime is not a sufficient reason to charge illegality and People can not be stopped from doing what they want because they MIGHT hurt someone else. == Freedom = being able to do what you want. In this argument any one should be able to do any thing they want ... for the purpose of their own profit or to get their cookies off people must be allowed to endanger and kill innocent victims. A while back I asked these questions: *** Here your argument is (I think) should people be stopped from doing something just because it MIGHT result in harming others. #1 Do you believe in equal rights ... yes or no #2 Should every one have the same right to profit, get stupid or do any thing they want because their acts only have the potential to harm others? #3 or should only a select group have the right to endanger others? Let me know before I post a list of people who are fined and imprisoned for endangering others and then I will ask why you are not defending them. *** I don't remember the exact statistic now, but if they said 60% of all prisoners who were released early would be sent back as repeat offenders. 60 out of every 100 is going to rob, rape, kill or beat the bloody hell out of an innocent victim. So, knowing that not all prisoners will commit another crime, they let out a batch of 100.. And for every 100 let out, 60 of them are going to rob, rape, kill or beat the bloody hell out of an innocent victim. = On the theme that you are going to allow people to have their freedoms in spite of the fact a % of them will sicken, injure or kill others, you have agreed that the innocent disposable victims are with the freedoms of the perverts. The bleeding heart liberals creed, people must have their freedoms to profit, get their cookies off or do damn well please at the expense of innocent victims. #1 Do you believe in equal rights ... yes or no #2 or should only a select group have the right to endanger others? DO ANY THING YOU WANT AT THE RISK AND SACRIFICE OF A % OF INNOCENT VICTIMS. If all bleeding heart liberals hold the same standard for everyone then: Tell me if you defend people's rights to * Should ex convicts be able to carry guns, after all every ex con would not shoot some one. * I saw where a baby crib manufacturer sold over 100,000 cribs and only 7 babies were killed, so why should that manufacture lose their freedom to profit, just because some babies were killed? * Do you support kid's right to drag race on the streets. Why take away their rights because after all drag racers do not kill innocent people. * Why should your employer be forced to pay thousands of dollars to make sure you do not get hurt, after all, only a percent of people will be injured or killed. Why shouldn't your employer have the right to risk your safety and life? * Do you protect parent's rights to lock their little kids in a car on a summer day... after all only a small % of kid's lives will be sacrificed so the parents can do what they want. * Run through stop signs after all, ever one who runs through a stop sign does not injure or kill others. Now Mr bleeding heart liberal, do you stick by your "principals" that disposable victims must be sacrificed so people can have their "freedom" to profit or get their cookies off? In the list above I have shown several categories of such people, do you support ALL pervert's rights to sacrifice disposable victims or are you a double standard hypocrite who has a different philosophy for others? #1 You support the "freedoms" of drunks, dope users and all the above to endanger and sacrifice a % of innocent victims or #2 You do not support the freedoms of people to endanger and sacrifice any victims? #3 or .. you are a two face hypocrite who denies others the same freedoms you wish to grant drunks and
[CTRL] DOPE SUPPORTERS 05 Equality.A
-Caveat Lector- I would submit that there are plenty of people who are crazy who walk around all the time with a loaded weapon and DON'T shoot anyone. Should they all be punished simply because they MIGHT do something wrong? /// People can't help it that they are crazy but sane people are held accountable for their choices. I'll bet crazy people aren't allowed to have guns. Here your argument is (I think) should people be stopped from doing something just because it MIGHT result in harming others. #1 Do you believe in equal rights ... yes or no #2 Should every one have the same right to profit, get stupid or do any thing they want because their acts only have the potential to harm others? #3 or should only a select group have the right to endanger others? Let me know before I post a list of people who are fined and imprisoned for endangering others and then I will ask why you are not defending them. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] DOPE SUPPORTERS 03 My Body.B
-Caveat Lector- There is no such thing as "stupid/illegal." "Stupid" and "illegal" are different words. They have different meanings. To conjoin them is disingenuous /// The words have different meanings ... like water you are different things, but when you get in the water you are all wet. When someone altars their minds with dope/booze they make them self stupid. While crime is a different thing than stupid, stupid people commit more crimes. People who make them selves stupid, make me pay higher insurance. People who make them selves stupid, make me pay higher taxes. People who make them selves stupid, sicken, injure, assult and kill innocent people. Even when they don't kill people by intent in their stupor, their victims are just as dead. You can tell a dirt bag when they create different standards than they have for themselves, so what do you say to this law... When some drunk kills someone's little kid, the drunk should be made sober and their kid be tied to a tree and hit by a car. After all we know liberals believe in equality don't they? How about anyone intoxicated on the job will be denied insurance coverage when they have an accident? How about the next time some one on a stupor rapes a woman, your mother will be taken to prison to be raped by some convict? If these suggestions enrage you, you are a dirt bag, you are willing to allow such things to happen to other people's families but not your own? boo hoo = GUNS VS DOPE Like guns, drugs themselves cause no harm until they are used by those who can't handle them /// What kind of people use guns in crimes.. Less than 3% of all weapon crimes are used in emotional crimes (Most domestic disputes, some in a fit of rage) When people become highly emotional, they are not rational, they even call it temporary insanity... ( crime - not accidents) #1 Less than 7 % of weapon crimes are used when emotions cause the brain to malfunction. #2 and over 89 % of all weapon crimes are used by dopers and drunks. WHEN THE BRAIN IS MALFUNCTION Get your own statistics from the disease control center and then explain to us why those with altered brains do what they do. Booze and dope makes the brain malfunction. There are thousands of people in gun clubs who meet with their guns and NEVER kill anyone. Cops are NEVER called to this group of people ... but look at the groups of people who meet in liquid dope establishments and get the police reports to see how many times the cops have been there! == Guns have been at every one's finger tips for the last 200 years. When I was a kid there was no rules against carrying a knife in school (except switch blades) Kids could get guns from home, but they weren't going to school with guns. Guns and knives were ready available for the last 200 years ago but it has not been until the last 45 years after the dope revolution that kids have been murdering kids and metal detectors are in schools. /// Drugs has been around and in use since Neanderthal times. Never were they fought over until they were prohibited by law. What ever harm \\\ Well when I was in school, if someone mentioned the word pot, the only thing that would have came to my mind is the thing you had to empty in the out house in the morning. Cocaine .. just something you might see in a movie, crack, that vertical line up your rear. speed, something that was good at the drag strip .. Dope was non existent when I was in school No, not until after the drug revolution did crimes multiply and today (48 Hours) 80% of all those in prison are drunks/dope users. Guns have always been available, it was not until after the drug revolution that kids had to pass metal detectors to get in school. In 1986 I was ripped off for my tools, the ones with which I was feeding my family at the time. There is no doubt whatsoever that they were stolen by a cocaine addict. There is no doubt whatsoever that he sold them to buy cocaine. There is also no doubt that elements of the United States Government aid, abet ... Hmmm I never thought about it that way but you are right. If we were allowed to defend ourself we could blow a hole through the heads of dope users and/or drunks who commited crimes against us, they could/would not harm us or anyone else again, BUT it is the government who 1) Protects the criminials so we can not protect ourselves. 2) They make us pay to keep the criminials and then 3) They turn the criminials lose to get stupid and rob, rape, beat and/or kill another victim. So we have the unofficial criminials on the streets and the official criminials in the government. === Billions are made because of prohibition. It has corrupted our society at every level, from the cop on the
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-Caveat Lector- One writes: The Drug War is marketed as the only way to "save our children." Yet, eighty years into the most protracted and expensive experiment in Prohibition in history, illicit drugs are more available on the streets, on our playgrounds, and in our school yards than ever. What are the real consequences of these disastrous policies? Click on any topic at right to learn more about what's gone wrong, and how we can fix it. Prohibition is the problem. You can be part of the solution. Join DRCNet today, and SAY NO to the Drug War -- your voice makes a difference. drug-related HIV/AIDS and needle exchange kids and the drug war chronic pain management people of color and the drug war drug treatment medicinal marijuana more coming soon! === Why not make robbery, rape and murder legal. /// Because those are crimes against persons...I am arguing for decriminalizing victimless crimes... \\\ When women are raped by those in a stupor When people are killed in wrecks by those in a stupor When dopers are in a stupor robbing and killing people are there no victims? === It is not legal to be drunk and drive? Of course it is illegal to be drunk and driving but after one becomes drunk, they get in a stupor and their logic/fears/reflexes are lost. Their fear of being caught drunk or doped up .. their common sense is lost... so because it was legal for them to get drunk, they got in a stupor and because they got in a stupor * It cost the rest of us money out of our pockets to pay for their stupor. * It cost injury and death to thousands of innocent each year for their right to be in a stupor. Victimless crimes? * Tell me why non drunks have to pay billions of dollars for extra cops to catch and lock up drunks (who are involved in legal dope) * Tell me why innocent people killed by drunks aren't victims? * Tell me why the families of innocent victims are not victims of drunks? Legal drunks ... Legal dope users so then the government makes their slaughter, assaults, rapes legal ? /// Most rapes, etc., are NOT done by drunks...or by dope users... \\\ Duh, did you miss 48 hours last week. What amount of rapes did they reveal happened while the pervert was in a stupor? and the statistics on all the criminals in prison, 80% of them were stupid on booze/dope when they committed their crimes. = So you ARE arguing for reinstution of Prohibition, aren't you? Just come out and admit it. /// NO, prohibition could never work in a government in which the politicians are mob bosses on the take. The only way prohibition would ever work is by having the death penalty for drunks/dope users and the death penalty for those who get rich defending them. With in a year there would be about 2000 executions and after perverts knew they could not get away with it or buy their way out of it, it would become almost non existent. After that time the perverts would stop killing themselves and innocent victims. With in 10 years there would be over 15 times more lives saved than those executed. NO, I am not stupid enough to think it will ever happen in a corrupt government in which the perverts have their rights at the loss of the rights of the innocent. I know innocent people will never have their rights in America, I only point out that perverts and their bleeding hearts are an evil force in an evil nation. It does not matter that it will not be changed, establishing the faces of the evil is my only point. == "Making dope legal will stop crime" Double Duh Booze is legal and on the cop videos and in our newspapers we see grocery stores broken into, we read about people being killed by drunks who are just getting enough money to get drunk. /// How do they know that the crimes were done by those who are alcoholics? \\\ Because they admitted to that reason, because they were caught stealing booze, because the muggers beating/killing their victims were drunks/dope users who were not robbing to by a tv, fix their car or to send money to Fawell, They beat and rob victims in order to get their next stupor. They were stupid on dope or booze while committing their crimes ! How do I know, because that is what the FACTS state. === they wouldn't have to do if heroin, etc., were available CHEAPLY to them via a government program... We'd also cut down on the incidencense of diseases which are spread via the sharing of needles... /// Take a look at the documentary on needle park and see what a crock this is. Who is going to pay for the government doctors, offices and dope... me? = Heh
[CTRL] ACLU
-Caveat Lector- I am also not going to be drawn into a debate about the merits of the ACLU's position on a variety of matters because they, like all organizations, have an agenda to promote. I would say that they definitely do display hypocrisy about some issues, but it does not negate the tremendous good that they do lobbying congress for protection of civil liberties, preserving privacy rights, and preserving property rights *** The aclu are nothing but a bunch of lawyers so it has a turd base. Lawyers get rich by keeping conflicts going between people, so there is nothing about morality. Preserve liberties.. from who but a bunch of other lawyers. I do not in the least push religion in any schools. I only point out their corruption to show that the aclu are a bunch of punks doing the bidding of the party punks. The constitution states: Congress (bs) shall make no laws respecting the establishment of religion OR PROHIBIT THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF. I don't ask you to defend them (I like lots of the stuff you write) I only ask you to pose the question why #1 They lie about "separation between church state" being in the constitution. #2 It is the aclu who takes away the constitutional right/liberty when they PROHIBIT THE FREE EXERCISE OF RELIGION. The word "church" is no where in the constitution, the word is religion. The government has declared hindu, humanism and even witch craft to be tax exempt religions. It is ONLY the christian brand of religion that is banned in schools. They teach yoga, they have libraries full of books on witch craft, situation ethics is humanism, "social studies" is an integration of humanism, It would be ok to have a halloween party and dress up like some ghost, vampire or witch, but if some kid dressed up like a bible character his ass would be in a sling. The aclu is just a good cop / bad cop game in which a bunch of lawyers cause conflict so they can get rich on people's fears and outrage. The aclu does not fight for all people's rights, they are representatives of corrupt politicians and perverts while they fight to destroy the rights of their most hated christians. They do a lot of good? Look in any prison, there are thousands of criminials who have helped others and have done a lot of good. One is not manifest to be evil because the good they do but by their evil. The aclu is just a group of politician underground puppets. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] DOPE SUPPORTERS 04 Freedom
-Caveat Lector- How exactly is passing a Law which says one cannot 'smoke a rock of crack' going to ensure 'people' are NOT going to then 'drive a school bus'? We have discriminatory drunk driving laws currently, but 'people' STILL choose this behavior. /// No law stops crime, if so there would be no crime. Law only stops those who fear getting caught. When there is no law, no one needs to fear and what ever act considered will be multiplied many folds. Why the FEAR of freedom? /// What a giggle, now perverts want to use "freedom" as their argument? #1 Freedom is the right assert one's will. #2 When there is a conflict of wills and one group has power to enact their will, then the other group loses their rights. Freedom, liberty, rights .. just pretty words to declare who gets to have their way. When ever there is a conflict of wills, then one segment of society will lose their rights in order that the other segment receive their rights. If perverts get their rights to endanger innocent victims then the innocent segment of society will lose their rights not to live in fear of perverts. If perverts have their rights to sicken/endanger/kill innocent people then innocent people will lose their rights to live. If perverts get their rights to kill innocent people then the families of those victims will lose their freedom not to have to bury their loved ones. If the non wreckless segment of society gets their rights/freedoms then the perverts will lose their rights to intimidate, injure, sicken, kill innocent people and perverts will lose their freedom to make us pay higher taxes to pay for their perverted deeds. You want to talk about freedom rights, fine Either perverts get their freedom/rights at the expense of innocent society or innocent society will get their freedom/rights at the expense of perverts. Let me see do I chose to take away the rights of innocent people to live with out terror, injury, death ... to pay for the deeds of perverts so the perverts can get their cookies off? Duh, what do you think? Perverts don't give a damn about the rights of the innocent segment of society that must pay for their perverted acts but the innocent segment of society must care about the "rights/freedoms" of perverts to get their cookies off? Right on Jethro . DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] ACLU website
-Caveat Lector- ***. One writes: For those who do not belong to the ACLU or are unfamiliar with their website or what they do let me urge you to visit their website. There you can sign up to become a member of the organization, get on their e-mail alert list and do other things. *** I can't go to any website but ask your aclu buddies This *** Here in Ohio when we has a prison riot, you should have seen the govoner IN HIS OFFICE, IN OFFICIAL CAPACITY PARYING AND USING GOD ! Just as the senate began to start the impeachment hoax, IN THEIR OFFICIAL CAPACITY ... IN A PUBLIC BUILDING, how they prayed to God and used the bible to lay their hand on. The next time you see the aclu going after some school for the use of religion, send them this post and ask the aclu why they have not filed law suits against politicians who integrate religion in the white house. = Politicians Like clinton, they will carry their bibles in front of the cameras to get support of Christians sunday morning and set on their desk with their bibles while they are getting oral sex on the same Sunday night. *** God / Prayer / Scriptures on government property? If school teachers or kids dare speak anything about God, the bible or prayer .. if they dare quote the bible or even sing a christmas song ... THE ACLU WILL SLAP A LAW SUITE ON THEIR ASS! But how is it John Glenn can quote the scriptures in official capacity on the space shuttle? *** How is it that Clinton can sit in the oval office and talk about God and payer? *** How is it that Clinton can use thousands of tax dollars to go to a black church just before an election to campaign for his politician buddies in a church? You can't talk about God or prayer in school or on public property? Then where in the hell is the aclu when it comes to what goes on in the white house ... when it comes to politicians integrating religion into the government? *** === Separation between church and state right in the United States Congress The words of PUBLIC OFFICIALS on PUBLIC PROPERTY in THEIR OFFICIAL CAPACITY ... ! === [ APPLAUSE ] AND I PRAY, WITH ALL MY HEART, THAT HE WILL RECONSIDER THIS DECISION. AMONG OTHER THINGS, HE TOOK AN OATH TO GOD TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. AND I PRAY THAT THE REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS IN THIS CONGRESS WILL FIND COMMON GROUND AND DO THE WORK OF THE PEOPLE OF THIS GREAT AND PROSPEROUS LAND DURING THE NEXT TWO YEARS. BUT EVEN AS MILLIONS OF AMERICANS ACROSS OUR COUNTRY ARE HOPING FOR A QUICK END TO THIS CONFLICT, EVEN AS WE ARE PRAYING FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS, MY REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES ARE OBSESSED WITH A DIFFERENT TARGET. BUT SOMETHING IS GOING ON REPEATEDLY THAT HAS TO BE STOPPED AND THAT IS A CONFUSION BETWEEN PRIVATE ACTS OF INFIDELITY AND PUBLIC ACTS, WHEREAS A GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL, YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND ASK GOD TO WITNESS TO THE TRUTH OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. DESPITE HIS IMPEACHMENT YESTERDAY, THE PRESIDENT IS DETERMINED TO PRESS ON, IGNORING A HECKLER WHO WAITED AT THE CHURCH DOOR TO TELL THE PRESIDENT, "YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO THE PRESIDENCY. DURING JOHN ADAMS' SECOND NIGHT IN THE WHITE HOUSE, HE WROTE THESE WORDS: "I PRAY HEAVEN TO BESTOW THE BEST OF BLESSINGS THIS HOUSE AND ALL THAT SHALL HERE AFTER INHABIT IT. FOR IT IS WRITTEN, MR. SPEAKER, JUDGE NOT AND YE SHALL NOT BE JUDGED. GOD BLESS AMERICA. GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. GOD HELP AMERICA! GOD HELP OUR COUNTRY! GOD HELP THE PEOPLE WHOSE STATESMEN WALK YOUR ROAD. GOD HELP THE PEOPLE WHOSE STATESMEN WALK YOUR ROAD. HE CARRIES A BIBLE WITH HIM ALL THE TIME. HE TOLD US HE HAD BEEN IN THE OVAL OFFICE WITH THE PRESIDENT THEY PRAYED TOGETHER. I HAVE YET TO SEE ONE NEWSCAST ANYWHERE IN IT OR STARTED WITH IT THAT SHOWS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES SHOWING CONTRITION AND SAYS, I HAVE SINNED, AND I ASK GOD'S FORGIVENESS. I PRAY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES WILL BE ABLE TO DO THE RIGHT THING IN THE DAYS AND WEEKS AND MONTHS TO COME. I PRAY TODAY THAT YOU WILL OPEN UP THIS PEOPLE'S HOUSE AND LET THE PEOPLE'S VOICE COME IN AND LET FAIRNESS REIGN! I THINK OF CHARACTER IN ONE OF TOLSTOY'S NOVELS, HE ASKED GOD IF HE COULDN'T BE USEFUL IN WIPING SOME THING UP OR FILLING A HOLE OR BEING A BAD EXAMPLE. IF IT'S IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO SAY I RAISE MY RIGHT HAND AND SWEAR BY THE ALMIGHTY GOD THE TESTIMONY I'VE I'M ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, IF IT'S SOLEMN ENOUGH FOR TH, IT'S SOLEMN ENOUGH TO ENFORCE. IN GOD'S NAME, DO NOT TEAR APART THIS HOUSE AND THIS NATION WITH A
[CTRL] Anti-Statism (set of ideas) Heh heh
-Caveat Lector- Of course, NO ONE can represent everybody and NO ONE should be faulted for not being omnipotent in this manner. Libertarians CAN represent a set of ideals though and those ideals are the issues to be looked at when determining whether or not they are right for you. == Liberterians CAN represent a set of ideas Nazis CAN represent a set of ideas It is not "ideas" that political parties "represent" It is LAWS politicial parties FORCE on the people. They don't say "imagine" ... "think about it"... Their only purpose is to IMPOSE SOMEONE'S WILL/AGENDA on everyone else with the choice to OBEY OR BE TRACKED DOWN, KNOCKED DOWN ARRESTED, TRIED, IMPRISONED OR KILLED. *** The only "ideas" that politicians communicate are do what we demand or we will take your money and slam your ass in prison. The question is Who's Ideas get represented in the end results? #1 The Ideas of Some minority. #2 The Ideas of The majority through direct democracy #3 The Ideas of the majority through an indirect democracy (republic) #4 The "IDEAS"/agendas of the Liberterians/politicians just like in any other dictatorship #5 The Ideas of those who bribe the politicians. Tell me who's IDEAS / AGENDAS / WILL do Liberterians represent? Don't give me a bunch of blabber, just tell me which segment of society 1 2 3 4 5 that Liberterians represent? . DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Global Chance for Anti-Statism
-Caveat Lector- How do we know YOU are NOT an "EX-" MARINE IMPLANTED with a BIOCHIP (posing as an Old Granny) on a secret PSYOP to AGITATE the masses. to flush out the REBELS, or some other equally ARCANE and DEVIOUS purpose! Please ILLUMINATE me with YOUR PLAN. /// Our plan is off topic on this list but if anyone wants to read the 6 post series they can ask for THE plan by direct e-mail. . DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Drum Beats / Guilty?
-Caveat Lector- Some of us Democrats are, and we'd like the travesty of a trial to go on for months, and we want a group of witnesses called, and cross examined. Something does not become truth because it is taped during a telephone call. Of course I don't really care about Clinton *** What does "guilty/innocent" mean in a trial? When there is no positive evidence "guilty/innocent" is not a fact, it is only what the jury thinks. *** JURY VERDICTS / BELIEFS When juries decide someone to be innocent when in fact they committed the crime, does the "innocent" verdict mean the crook is actually innocent or does it mean the jury was IGNORANT and made a FALSE finding? juries have declared people to be guilty of crimes and later through dna (and the like) the jury's verdict has been proven to be false. Because a jury has declared an innocent man to be guilty does that make it so or does that only prove an IGNORANT JURY made a FALSE DECISION? #1 When a jury declares a verdict, that does not make it a fact. #2 If a jury declares a guilty man innocent, that does not make it a fact. It proves the ignorant/false decision of a jury. *** JURY VERDICTS /FACTS When finger prints, dna, video tapes ... undeniable facts are given to a jury, it is no longer beliefs they must base their decisions on, but they KNOW the truth. #3 When factual evidence is presented to a jury, they have knowledge of the defendants innocent or guilt. *** Under criminals code, criminals/felons are defined by specific acts. There are no exceptions that * The person must be found guilty * The person must be tried. #4 criminals/felons are established on the basis of committing specific acts. For two years we have seen the news about the investigation of the little beauty queen who was murdered the day after Christmas. #5 If this killer is never found, does that mean he is not a murderer? #6 If this killer was found and was not brought to trial because he/she had connections with high government officials, does that mean he is not a murderer? *** Criminals/felons are established by committing specific acts. #7 There are thousands of people in prisons for committing such acts (as defined under criminal code). Has the law branded these people criminals? #8 If Clinton has done exactly THE SAME THINGS that others have been branded criminals for and imprisoned, then tell me why Clinton is not a criminals? *** Every Clinton Lemmings who supports him is willing to allow a criminial to hold the highest office in America. The ONLY difference between Clinton than others who have commited the SAME crimes is they are shamed and imprisoned. " WHAT IS BEST FOR THE NATION" By his own doing, Clinton has made himself a criminal and now by the move of the democrats and now EVERY BASTARD SENATOR WHO VOTES TO KEEP CLINTON is about to protect a felon/criminals to protect their party ass. ... "WHAT IS BEST FOR AMERICA" IS TO ALLOW A CRIMINAL/FELON TO HOLD THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES! . . DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] 010.000 FASCISM-00
-Caveat Lector- Subject: 010.000 FASCISM-00 Fascism from my Microsoft works enclopedia which comes form dictionaries and the like. I copied both definations so there will be a couple of repeats. Just what is facism? By brainwashing ignorant Americans the politicians have total mind control on the idiots. How is America any different than any fascist government (except our stooges don't know it). #01 fascism (fàsh¹îz´em), philosophy of government that glorifies the nation-state at the expense of the individual. #02 Major concepts of fascism include opposition to democratic and socialist movements. #03 Racist ideologies, such as ANTI-SEMITISM #04 Aggressive military policy. #05 Belief in an authoritarian leader who embodies the ideals of the nation. #06 Fascism generally gains support by promising social justice to discontented elements of the working and middle classes, and social order to powerful financial interests. #07 While retaining class divisions and usually protecting capitalist and landowning interests, the fascist state exercises control at all levels of individual and economic activity, employing special police forces to instill fear. #08 The term was first used by the party started by MUSSOLINI, who ruled Italy from 1922 until the Italian defeat in WORLD WAR II, and has also been applied to other right-wing movements, such as NATIONAL SOCIALISM in Germany and the FRANCO regime in Spain. The Italian Social Movement (MSI), a minor neofascist party formed in Italy after World War II, won wider support when the pervasive corruption of the governing parties was exposed in the early 1990s and became a partner in the conservative government formed after the 1994 elections.1 fas·cism (fàsh¹îz´em) noun #08 Often Fascism a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, #09 A stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism. #10 A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government. #11 Oppressive, dictatorial control. [Italian fascismo, from fascio, group, from Late Latin fascium, neuter of Latin fascis, bundle.] fas·cis¹tic (fe-shîs¹tîk) adjective2 1The Concise Columbia Encyclopedia is licensed from Columbia University Press. Copyright © 1995 by Columbia University Press. All rights reserved. 2The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition copyright © 1992 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic version licensed from InfoSoft International, Inc. All rights reserved. Let's take each defination one at a time. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] 010.000 FASCISM-05
-Caveat Lector- #05 Belief in an authoritarian leader who embodies the ideals of the nation. Try the president of the United States DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] 010.000 FASCISM-02
-Caveat Lector- #02 Major concepts of fascism include opposition to democratic and socialist movements. Do you mean like the "constutionlist" who oppose democracy? Do you mean like America where neither democracy or indirect democracy (a republic) exists? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] 010.000 FASCISM-01
-Caveat Lector- #01 fascism (fàsh¹îz´em), philosophy of government that glorifies the nation-state at the expense of the individual. Do you mean like "It takes a village to raise a child" Do you mean like "It is not what your country can do for you, IT IS WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR COUNTRY" ! DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] 010.000 FASCISM-04
-Caveat Lector- #04 Aggressive military policy. There is no nation who has their milirary in the number of nations as America. Through the cia and such groups, America has turned countries against their neighbors and turned people of the same nations against each other. Look at the history of America. 72% of every thing called America has been taken from the original owners by military force or "annexiation" ... taking land from those who did have the power to fight back. The only thing different in America, Saddam and Hitler is America has plundered more land and kept it. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] 010.000 FASCISM-03
-Caveat Lector- #03 Racist ideologies, such as ANTI-SEMITISM When Iraq invaded a sorvern nation, the "great" America blew the hell out of them to be the great protector of sovereign nations? But when the sovern nation of Palestine existed and Germans, Dutch, Polish, Russian EUROPEANS invaded the sovereign nation of Palestine, the "great" America did not defend a sorvern nation, in fact the "jews" were given weapons and support to drive Palestinians out of their own nation. To displace the Palestinians now "Israel" is bringing in thousands of Russians every month to increase the power of the "Jews" and the racist Americans gave them 10 billion dollars to do it. *** Last week the Columbus sheriff's department put an ad on tv to hire more people. The ad said: Minorities and women may apply at Racist ideologies) In other words WHITE MEN NOT APPLY. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] LJ: Constitution / religion
-Caveat Lector- [The list of spammed recipients have been reduced to the lists I'm actually on...one must wonder why Frost insists on spamming this thread beyond the venue of original discussion] /// Duh if I am spamming the list then how come you replied adding your own spam to it? (As for my spelling, such knit picking is only necessary to detract from the points I make. I see hundreds of such spelling mistakes words left out and poor grammar every week. The only people I have seen point out such things are losers who need to attack the messenger because they can not argue with the facts) = My take on schools is to expose the lying hypocrisy of politicians who quote the scriptures, talk about God and pray in public buildings thousands of times every year. Schools were set up for one purpose ... to prepare kids for the work force. It is not for us to entertain them, pay for sports, teach them yoga, bring in homosexuals to teach them how to use condoms to sodomize each other, strip search teen age girls, teach them situation ethitics or any other such bs. I say get rid of all the bibles, locknest monsters, witch craft, situation ethics, social studies (humanism, government recognized religion) and pay for the one purpose schools are established for. It is not for us to pay taxes for the 3 billion dollar "after school programs" baby sitting programs Clinton just signed. Schools are not baby sitting, brain washing or entertainment centers. It was a tax funded baby sitting program that brought kids in the federal building where they were blown up. == So okay, let's put 'religion' back in the public schools... Whose religion? I know YOUR answer, you just want your private brand of 'Christianity'... /// Wrong O miss wicca witch (you do profess to be a witch or was that someone else)? No, I do not push "Christian" values in schools, I just say get rid of all the humanist/homosexual waste when you empty the shit pot. The topic was the constitution which I replied to in order to point out the fact that crooked politicians are liars who transgress the constitution any time they want. == ...people actually believe in these unfounded things, /// Just as YOU believe in the unfounded tenets of Christianity \\\ Your crystal ball must be broken witchy. It is you who believe in superstitious magic, you have not once made me make any such claims. I would just prefer to look at the turd of a Christian than the face of idiot "pagans", homosexuals, dope users ... perverts. It is you who speaks of wicca and such magic Before this century there was no such thing as a "white" witch. Shows like Bewitched, the latest friday night thingy, wendy the witch, casper ... the 3 sister thing which was a spin off the movie ... the fantasy of fiction and cartoons is where the "good" witch was fabricated. Before the funny book came along, all info about witches were they were evil beings who only did harm to others. According to the dictionary a witch is defined as * One who is involved magic and * the other definition is a hag Let's see some of your magic so we know which kind of a witch you are. === Back to the point of the beginning of the thread... The humanist/homosexual/atheist organization known as the aclu #1 Brings law suites against schools when anyone exercises their "right" to freedom of religion. #2 Clinton sat in the oval office and spoke of God and praying to God? #3 At the cost of hundreds of thousands of dollars just before the last election, Clinton went to a black church to get votes for his chums. #4 In books and transcripts of mayors, governors, congressmen senators and presidents there are literally thousands of quotes of politicians quoting the bible, talking about God and praying in public places while they are in their official capacity. #5 Until the middle of this century (1900s) the government paid for text books with references to God, creation and the whole thingy. #6 In God we trust is on the dollar #7 Using the bible, congress and the senate opens with prayer. #8 When someone testifies, they put out a bible for them to put their hand on. #9 We pay taxes for churches and clergymen in the military. #10 The word "separation" is no where in the constitution in reference to religion. The constitution states: (a) Congress (bs) shall make no laws respecting the establishment of religion, OR (c) PROHIBIT THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF. After madam O'Harah started her stink, the politicians did make laws that prohibited the free exercise of religion. If some group of kids decide that after school they will sit on the track field and read the bible a) They are not a member
[CTRL] Constitution / religion
-Caveat Lector- Kind of funny modern "constutionalist" telling the founding fathers intended separation between church and state when the mc guffy readers ... school books and even the bible was used as doctrine and teaching tools in schools. Imagine that the founding fathers, their children and grand children having the bible taught to them in schools along with daily prayers. Here the founding fathers "who intended separation between church state" didn't notice or say a word against the bible and reading books packed with religious teachings. Here the founding fathers "who intended separation between church state", using government tax money to purchace bibles and mcguffy readers. No, I do not push religion in schools, I only point out that everyone who asserts the constitution declares such separation, is ignorant or a liar. The constitution states: Congress shall make no laws respecting the establishment of religion, OR PROHIBIT THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF. After madam O'Harah started her stink, the politicians did make laws that prohibited the free exercise of religion. "Separation"? When any words are added to or taken away from the original text, that is not interpretation but perversion of the original meaning. Our "judges" have not enforced the constitution but they have indeed flipped it the bird. No religious songs, no speaking about God or the bible ... no religious material allowed ... PROHIBIT THE FREE EXERCISE OF RELIGION ... contrary to the command of the Constitution? Every public school across America is in violation to the Constitution. Imagine that the "American civil liberty union" using the constitution to rob citizens of the civil liberties granted in the Constitution. === They tell us religion is nothing but superstition... Superstition is but the belief in something that has no proofs. People believe in leprechauns, flying saucers, the lock nest monster, witch craft and all kinds of goofy things, but even though people actually believe in these unfounded things, school libraries are packed with stupid superstitions. There is even a religion called wicca where people believe in witches and magic. Some years back I cut out a newspaper clipping where the government declared witch craft to be a legitimate tax free religion. Yet school libraries have books on witch craft, wicca and other pagan religions? If the government is going to remove the bible because it is a superstition that people actually believe in, then let the aclu remove EVERY BOOK OF SUPERSTITION ! If there is no God, then the bible and all religious references are nothing but fiction no different than any other. Is the libraries gonna remove all books of fiction from their shelves? If the bible is the word of God, then what kind of man dare conceal his word ... what kind of man mock the constitution declaration that the government SHALL NOT PROHIBIT THE FREE EXERCISE OF RELIGION ? ... Bastards who belong to the aclu, homosexual licking atheist. Lawyers who watch politicians use the bible, God and prayer in office every day and never file a suite. . . DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Constitution / religion
-Caveat Lector- When do you imagine the Government involved itself in education on a 'larger' scale? NOT 1789. /// Silly history books, why they tell about schools in America when the british were still in control. Large scale no, rual America had no schools and schools only went to the 8th grade. I just saw something on pbs about ged s and they said even up to about 1940, less than 20% of the population had graduated from high school. It does not matter what the scale or how many grades the fact is that public schools were around when Washington was still a Brit and they have been around after the American revolution until today. The framers (those who went to school) were taught the bible, they prayed and did all that religious stuff, so did their children and their grand children ... and IF their intent was a separation of church state they would have noticed religion was being taught in schools. In higher education, religious studies were required to get a diploma. Many of the modern universities started out as religious (government sponsered) universities. Every time anyone repeats "separation between church and state" from the constutition is another time they compound themselves to be bald face liars. Another wierd deal ... no bibles and religious books in schools "because it is public funded"? How come the public funded libraries ... have all kind of bibles and religious books in em? . DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Bipartisan, bipartisan, bipartisan.
-Caveat Lector- To get rid of bipartisanship is an easy task get rid of all political parties and there will be no politicians remaining in office after they are proven criminials. Presidents will no longer hold dictator power "executive power" because 34 senators are a member of his party. Get rid of parties and representatives will be representatives of the people of their districts, they will not be puppets who enact the agenda of their political parties. Get rid of parties and criminals will no longer have the power to retain office. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Bipartisan, bipartisan, bipartisan.
-Caveat Lector- Easier said than done. Politics requires parties. /// One of the last two things Washington warned against before he left office was political parties. Who (other than the parties) says parties are required? Where in the constitution does it say anything about people being required to register according to their party? Where in the constitution does it say anything about tax payers giving tax money to political parties? Easier said than done? You want to know how to destroy political parties? political parties is a big pyramid... at the top the prez, the next layer senators, congressmen, governors, state senators, mayors, city councils, townships. If you want to destroy political parties go after the base of the pyramid and destroy the little party punks and the big boys at the top will crumble. To become a party politician, the punk is hand picked by the party bosses to enact the agenda of the party. The representatives as defined in the constitution are supposed to represent the will of the people of their district NOT THE WILL OF THE PARTY BOSSES ! If you have read the 6 post series on the petition network, it is only a scratch on the surface of the plan. If you want to know how to cut the throat of the party politicians that is still to come. Why should the America be required to FOLLOW THE VISION OF SOME political PARTY? If indeed these politicians were representatives of the people, then it is for them to represent the will of the people in their districts. If politicians are actually representatives of the people in their districts, then they do not even have the need to be able to identify any other politician in a line up. If they represent the will of the elite party bosses then they must be in close contact and meet behind closed doors to concoct the laws/taxes they are going to shove down our throats. . . DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Dictatorship?
-Caveat Lector- How so? Per 1789 --- note, 1789 The President ... was chosen by the electoral college which had to choose 2 candidates (one of which did NOT reside in THEIR state) to effectively cause a runoff (serving as a search committee) for the House to ultimately select The Senate ... was chosen by the State Legislatures The House ... was chosen by cordoned sections of the country that could select ONE representative each The Judicial ... appointed by the President, approved by the Senate Where does the Representation come in? America was supposed to have a government which protected individual rights. No matter how many Abbot and Costello routines you go through, no matter what kind of blibber blabber you quote ... in the end results someone's will will be enacted. Republic noun, Abbr. rep., Rep., Repub. 1.a. A political order whose head of state is not a monarch and in modern times is usually a president. b. A nation that has such a political order. 2.a. A political order in which the supreme POWER LIES IN A BODY OF CITIZENS who are entitled to vote for officers and representatives responsible to them. b. A nation that has such a political order. [French rpublique, from Old French, from Latin rspblica : rs, thing + pblica, feminine of pblicus, of the people. See PUBLIC.] ( ...and of course, the word public is the population / or the people) If the public has to right to elect the politicians and the politicians are responsible to carry out the will of the people, in the end, the outcome of a republic is the same as a democracy... the majority of the people have their will enacted. The definition of the word states they are only representatives who are responsible to the public and a republic is "A political order in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens" This is supposed to be a republic so quote all the happy horse shit until you are blue in the face and when you are done, tell me who's will is enacted in a republic: #1 Some minority #2 Politicians should decide what laws the nation should have based on their own agendas... #3 The politicians should represent those who bribe them, in which this nation is a political bribery form of government. #4 Politicians should implement the will of their party bosses #5 The politicians should implement the will of God as preachers tell them what God really wants. #6 The politicians should represent the will of the majority No matter what you call a government, politicians enact the will of a segment of people and in that same act they transgress the will of those who have opposing wills. No matter what you call it, in the end results which of the above 6 segments of society get to impose their will on all others? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A curious silence
-Caveat Lector- That has to be the most dangerous, inconsiderate and downright stupid remark yet to appear on this list. While we are at it what's wrong with homophobia, sexism, paedophilia, fascism?? == The trick is ... it is the liberals who think they get to dictate what harm/wrong is to everyone else. If any pervert can define wrong/harm ... if the government can dictate wrong/harm for the nation then this is no different than any other dictatorship. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Democracy Club
-Caveat Lector- Albright sketched the outlines of her idea for a new, formal grouping of the world's democratic nations in a wide-ranging interview. /// What a f.. joke. Some one ought to ask the hag where one of these democratic nations are in the world. The only democracy that ever existed was in acient Greece. No republic has ever existed. At this date in history, only political bribery forms of government and dictatorships exist any where in the world. Every politician that spits the words democracy democratic process out of their mouth are nothing less than a lying. These con words are used by politicians to make stupid Americans think they are in charge of their own government. . DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Dear Congressman Hyde
-Caveat Lector- Dear Representative Hyde: Is omitting to tell the truth the same as lying? Have you told the whole truth about your own background, and, no, I don't mean sexual exploits. I mean important things, like the following: /// Is clinton innocent because others are guilty of the same or other things? If politicians are to be found innocent of their criminal acts because someone in the other party is also a criminal, then what law is any politician under? Proving the other guy is guilty does not prove your pigon is innocent, it only proves they are all ass hole criminals. Do you propose all criminal politicians be above the laws or only those in your own party? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] JONATHAN POLLARD WAS NO JEWISH PATRIOT
-Caveat Lector- Think about it ... * AMERICA SENDING TROOPS TO DEFEND ISRAEL * AMERICA GIVING ISRAEL BILLIONS OF DOLLARS * AND IT WAS ISRAEL WHO ENGAGED POLLARD TO STEAL SECRETS FROM AMERICA. THERE ARE TWO TRAITORS INVOLVED, POLLARD AND ISRAEL DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Voting Online
-Caveat Lector- Voting on line with out a computer... Have you ever used a fax retrieval system? Right now it is possible to vote electronically with out a computer. 1) Everyone must vote in the area where they are registered. 2) This is a local call where ever. 3) When you called in, you could have a voter id number so the system prompts you for your pen number 4) Before you ever entered your number, the voting do-dad already used caller id to varify the phone call came from your residents. This allows registered voters of the same family do their thing. Just like the maze you go through in a fax retrieval system, anyone with a touch tone could vote from home ET vote from home. . DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Larry Flynt SLEAZEBALL?
-Caveat Lector- .Larry Flynt is anything but a sleazeball. He's a true a) champion of the 1st Amendment b) and is simply pointing out the hypocrisy of the radical right. === There are 3 functions Natural functions like taking a ... Instincts that all animals have Thought... which only humans have. Speech is the exchange of thoughts between humans. Visual, audio, smell ... sex stimulates have nothing with speech or the thought process, they are raw animal instincts. If sexual stimulation is speech, then when can we expect dogs and pigs have the right to vote? a) Flint is not a champion of free speech, he is a fat bitter old man who got rich giving men errections. He is a pathetic grease ball with all that wealth and all those women around him, he is paralized from the waist down ... ah, true justice. b) As for hypocricy, Flint is the king of hypocrites while he pushes to expose evil hypocrite politician, he does not expose the democrat hypocrites. While he strikes out against the hypocrite christians, his purpose of attack is to protect the "christian" hypocrite clinton. All he says about republicans and more may well be true, but there is nothing he exposes about republicans that is not true about democrats. For all democratic stooges who ralley for Flint, bring your own mothers and daughters, Flint has a pop bottle you can use to stick up them as his photographers zoom in on the shot. Anyone who finds any merit in Flynt is indeed a sleazeball themselves. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
