Re: [CTRL] Republican Party at a Crossroads

2000-01-25 Thread pennie hammons

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I found it odd that Forbes was missing from this comparison of candidates.
With his strong second position in Iowa yesterday, I'd think people would be
taking a closer look at him. Forbes is the best chance this country has of
restoring our freedoms taken away in the last few decades. He knows what is
wrong with America and he has a realistic plan to change it. The
presidential elections has become more of a beauty pageant than any kind of
intelligent process.


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>Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:02:02 EST
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>Peace at any cost is a prelude to war!
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>Republican Party at a Crossroads
>
>By Chuck Baldwin
>
>January 25, 2000
>
>
>G. W. Bush may have the backing of Wall Street and the American media, but
>capturing the hearts of conservatives and the attention of the English
>press is Alan Keyes. His fiery oratory and uncompromising convictions are
>resonating with voters in a way not seen since the days of Ronald Reagan.
>There is more at stake here than meets the eye.
>
>Alan Keyes offers Republicans an opportunity to repudiate business as
>usual. He challenges the status quo and forces us to look beyond our pay
>stubs. It is a classic substance versus style campaign.
>
>While preaching fiscal conservatism and family values, the Republican Party
>has largely been little more than a watered down version of the Democrats.
>An attendee at the annual meeting of the Conservative Political Action
>Conference was quoted by Conservative News Service as complaining, "They
>(Republican leadership) need to stand for something, but all they care
>about are their own jobs." The CNS article continues: "Are we Republicans
>or are we conservatives?" That is the question this election is going to
>answer.
>
>A Washington Times story of two days ago reports, " Mr. Bush did not
>mention abortion Saturday as he addressed voters at a rally in Davenport on
>the 27th anniversary of Roe vs. Wade decision. The omission did not bother
>Bill Irey, an orthopedic surgeon who lives in Davenport.
>
>"’That’s low on my list,’ Mr. Irey said. ‘I think there’s a large
>number of
>Republicans who look at that with interest but aren’t going to have that
>be
>the determining factor.’
>
>"Mr. Bush ‘well represents the core Republican values,’ Mr. Irey said."
>
>That is not the question, however. The question is, does Mr. Bush represent
>core conservative and constitutional values? It’s a question many
>conservatives are asking. A recent Reuters article begins, "Self-described
>conservative Pat Rice does not like Texas Gov. George W. Bush, sees nothing
>in his agenda to recommend him and believes he’ll be ‘just the
>same-old,
>same-old." Enter Alan Keyes.
>
>Abortion, national sovereignty and traditional morality are high on his
>list. They apparently are high on a lot of people’s list. Many of us
>recognize that America cannot continue to ignore and impugn the fundamental
>values upon which our nation was built. A prosperous economy can evaporate
>overnight. There comes a time in the life of a decaying society when only
>commitment to fundamental principle offers any hope. That time has come for
>the United States.
>
>The Republican Party is a microcosm of America. Both are at a crossroads.
>We will either choose the path of pragmatism or principle. Choose well. It
>might be the last real choice that we will have.
>
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[CTRL] State of the Union speech boycotted by Rep. Schaffer

2000-01-24 Thread pennie hammons

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Schaffer Plans To Skip Speech

Politics/Elections News
Source: Denver Rocky Mountain News
Published: 23 Jan 2000 Author: Michael Romano
Posted on 01/24/2000 14:23:20 PST by real saxophonist
WASHINGTON- It looks as if self-described conservative Rep. Bob Schaffer,
who
never misses a chance to denounce President Clinton, will boycott Thursday's
State of the Union speech for a second straight year.

Schaffer, a Fort Collins Republican, says he doesn't want to extend that
traditional courtesy to a president he believes has "debased" the White
House
and his office.

"I've been thouroughly convinced that he has occupied the greatest office in
the land as a prosecutable felon," Schaffer said.

"And there's also a personal thing at stake here. I lecture my kids to stay
away from people you can't trust- people who have no respect for other
humans
and who would violate a woman for his own sexual gratification."

Still, Schaffer remains somewhat open-minded, conceding a "slight chance"
he'll decide at the last minute to attend the big speech. No word yet from
fellow conservative Rep. Tom Tancredo of Littleton, who, like Schaffer, made
a highly public point of boycotting last year's address.



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[CTRL] Colleen's a self-proclaimed witch!

2000-01-21 Thread pennie hammons




>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Colleen Jones)
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (pennie hammons)
>Subject: Re: SOL archives
>Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 18:01:03 -0500 (EST)
>
>The description of the tower of Lebanon is straight out of the Song of
>Solomon, and Pennie you are the one who thought this unattractive.
>
>I will say it again...I do not like you and I do not like Zionists, and
>I do not like idiots such as you who try to suppress my words.
>
>On this list there is a controller; on SOL you are free to say as you
>please; perhaps you should bring up more of my work.
>
>So move to Israel and watch the Zionists slaughter the domestic jews for
>that is their plan.
>
>But you, you stupid old bat..better lay off me for I did not work
>with a real witich for 12 years for nothing, and I can still deliver a
>double whammy like you have never seen, without leaving my house.ask
>around about me.for a word once written, often comes to passand
>not a word is spoken.
>
>You know in the Josephinium they pray every night for safety on the
>streets; now what do you think that means.telepathyand once a
>psychic gets a hold on someone, it is said they are like a pit bull and
>never let up
>
>However, you are not worth my time.there are a lot more letters in
>SOL.letters this list might not print, but that is up to the
>moderator.
>
>Colleen
>

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From: Colleen Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, January 20, 2000 8:57 AM
Subject: [SonsofLiberty] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] Madeline Colleen:Secretary of
Honesty


>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Colleen Jones)
>
>Hello Martin and Shirley:   Isn't this our bad Pennie that left the SOL
>list abruptly that made the insulting remarks about the noses of a
>certain ethnic group being like tower of Lebanon, and saw only ugliness
>and beauty in such nose?
>
>Wish I had kept the letter;  remember the day she left the list?
>
>So I do not have a driving curiosity when it comes to this old bat and
>have no intentions of opening her mail.so Shirley, this is the one
>isn't it.
>
>Oh the humanity.
>
>Colleen
>
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   Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 11:59:31 PDT
   From: "pennie hammons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Re: JEWS OR CHRISTIANS???

Do you really believe those pictures of Jesus are real photos? Sorry to
burst your racist bubble, but those are JUST DRAWINGS. Since when does God
command us to judge people by their appearance? That is not freedom!


>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Colleen Jones)
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [SonsofLiberty] Re: JEWS OR CHRISTIANS???
>Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:55:43 -0400 (EDT)
>
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Colleen Jones)
>
>What is the truth about myself, for instance; the fact that I prefer
>Sadaam Hussein to Henry Kissinger or bin Laden to Clintonor our
>American way of life instead of the CFR/Zionist/UN plan for a black and
>tan America being taught that like in the jungle homosexuals are born
>free?
>
>Perhaps the reason I like this CI religion is because it is in essense a
>great truth instead of a big lieJesus was a Jew - never saw a
>picture of him with a  nose like the tower of Lebanon - or have you.
>
>God, was an Englishman..Ho Ho I come from the North.
>
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Re: [CTRL] Madeline Colleen:Secretary of Hate

2000-01-21 Thread pennie hammons

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Amelia: You should practice what you preach. You are keeping this thread
going with your unasked for opinions "of a personal nature".
You are the trouble maker here, deciding that anything you don't want to
read shouldn't be on this list. You call me a trouble maker for signing up
on a list called Sons Of Liberty, while it sounds nice, is a group of people
who all hate the Jews and Blacks. I stood up for truth and justice and was
called every racial slur imaginable. So, whoever you are, you know nothing
about it, unless you were there.
I have as much right to post my opinions as you do or anyone else does. A
majority of all replies on this list are peoples' opinions. If you don't
like my opinions, don't read them. If you actually have to pay for internet
service at all, you can't be too bright.

>From: Amelia K Edgeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [CTRL] Fw:  Re: [CTRL] Madeline Colleen:Secretary of Hate
>Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 14:07:59 -0800
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>pennie hammons,
>Thank you for corroborating my statement that this is not the first list on
>which you have attempted to cause trouble with personal attacks.  I also
>wonder why you are under the impression that anyone wants your respect.
>All
>I asked of you was that you take your personal attacks off-list and spare
>the list this waste of time.  We also usually allow others to express their
>own beliefs and do not do it for them as we cannot know what another person
>believes.  Being on a particular list does not mean endorsement of
>everything that everybody on that list believes.  For example, I would
>doubt
>that you are even aware of the beliefs of many people on this list.  If so,
>do you endorse them all by being here?  Impossible!  I just would like for
>everybody to take all personal attacks and cuteness lengthy discussions of
>a
>strictly personal nature off list.  It there is academic value to the
>discussion it is always welcomed by all but if it is just personal bashing
>it wastes the time of a large number of busy people.  Some even have to pay
>long-distance rates to have Internet access.  It would be nice to have the
>list stay informative and full of the wonderful information we have all
>come
>to love and expect.  Who pennie doesn't like does not fall into that
>category.  The guidelines are there for all, not just pennie.
>
>Some of us "oldsters" were alive and remember many things that happened in
>the last 50 years that are  not in history books.  This information could
>be
>lost forever if it is not passed on.  Also, those of you younger ones might
>learn a great deal by reading/hearing this.  It is not to say believe
>everything you read but absorb it as that persons view of history in the
>making.  This list is not about Nazis nor religion.  It is about conspiracy
>theories.  I hope that it remains so.  A great deal of data is exchanged
>here much to my delight.  Those seeking a soapbox or grand stand for their
>personal beliefs have come to the wrong list.
>Amelia
>Amelia
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[CTRL] Clinton asks for money to help poor get online...

2000-01-21 Thread pennie hammons

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I would think this money could be better spent feeding the poor or housing
the homeless. Clinton's priorities are just a tad screwed up.


Jan 21, 2000 - 11:41 AM

Clinton Asks Money to Help Poor Get Online
By Terence Hunt
The Associated Press



WASHINGTON (AP) - President Clinton, pursuing his goal of connecting all
Americans to the Internet, will propose federal subsidies to narrow the
"digital divide" and help millions of low-income families go online,
administration officials said today.
A draft proposal calls for spending as much as $100 million to provide
computers and Internet access in perhaps as many as 9 million households,
but the officials cautioned that Clinton has not settled on the size of his
proposal.

The president is expected to announce his proposal in his State of the Union
address Thursday. He says Internet access and usage should be as commonplace
as the telephone.

Late last year, Clinton set a national goal of connecting all Americans to
the Internet, not only in schools and libraries but also in homes, small
businesses and community centers. Commerce Secretary William Daley is
spearheading an effort with the private sector to develop a strategy for
achieving Clinton's goal.

In particular, the administration is working with the computer industry,
private foundations, nonprofit organizations and civil rights groups to make
the Internet more accessible.

"The president is committed to making sure that all Americans have access to
the best technology," White House deputy press secretary Jake Siewert said.
"But we don't have anything specific to announce at this point."

A Commerce Department report last July documented a wide digital divide in
America. It found that black and Hispanic households are only two-fifths as
likely to have Internet access as white families. Households with incomes of
$75,000 and above in urban areas are more than 20 times as likely to have
Internet access as households at the lowest income levels.

The administration says more than 50 percent of America's schools and over
80 percent of its classrooms are wired for the Internet. The goal is to have
all schools connected by the end of this year.

AP-ES-01-21-00 1138EST

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[CTRL] Gennifer Flowers sues Hillary

2000-01-20 Thread pennie hammons

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
January 20, 2000

Contact: Joe Giganti
(202) 646-5172



GENNIFER FLOWERS SUES "FIRST LADY" HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON

INITIAL COMPLAINT SUED JAMES CARVILLE AND GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS


(Washington, D.C.) Today, Gennifer Flowers amended her complaint previously
filed in the United States District Court for the District of Nevada,
alleging libel and slander against James Carville and George Stephanopoulos.
Because of newly discovered information that Hillary Rodham Clinton was the
mastermind, who implemented and carried out a scheme to destroy, or in
Hillary Rodham Clinton's words "crucify," Gennifer Flowers, Hillary Rodham
Clinton was added to the complaint. Plaintiff anticipates that this lawsuit,
which is not complicated, will proceed to trial quickly, and be held before
a jury of Ms. Flowers' peers in Las Vegas. Mr. Carville, who has called Ms.
Flowers, and nearly every other woman regrettably associated with the
President, "trailer trash," will have to explain to jurors, many of whom are
likely to live in trailers, exactly what he meant.

In Judicial Watch's class-action Filegate lawsuit, Plaintiffs learned that
Carville ran an information gathering operation on perceived adversaries to
the Clintons and their Administration, called the Education Information
Project, out of a chic townhouse which he owns and occupies with Mary
Matalin on Capitol Hill. Recently, it was learned that Mrs. Clinton
threatened to author Gail Sheehy that she would "crucify" Gennifer Flowers
by digging up "dirt" with which to smear her. Author Christopher Anderson
also has recently revealed that Mrs. Clinton "sicced" private investigators
on Ms. Flowers. The suit, in addition to its defamation counts, alleges
violation of privacy rights against Mrs. Clinton.

A copy of the Amended Complaint will be posted on Judicial Watch's website
at www.JudicialWatch.org.




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Re: [CTRL] Madeline Colleen:Secretary of Hate

2000-01-20 Thread pennie hammons

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 -Cui Bono?-

I was also under the impression that "Nazis need not apply", which was the
reason I joined this list. I had many arguments on SOL with Colleen and her
hate-group about the Holocaust. They claimed there was even a pool at
Aushwitz! I'm sorry, but people who are that brainwashed by hate and denial
don't deserve my respect.


>From: Kris Millegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Subject: Re: [CTRL] Madeline Colleen:Secretary of Hate
>Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 11:42:26 EST
>
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>
>Pennie, please your unwarranted attacks are uncalled for.  Continued
>personal
>  attacks will result in a nopost attribute for your current email account.
>There really is no excuse for these personal attacks. Lets us create
>understanding, not dissension.
>
>Om
>K
>
>In a message dated 1/20/00 8:20:16 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> >In a message dated 1/20/00 12:17:37 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>writes:
> >
> >>Dear Colleen:
> >>Everything that you babble is sheer lunacy. Take your Jew-hating ass
>back
> >>to
> >>the Sons Of Losers list you came from. Love Pennie
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Re: [CTRL] I.D. Biochip in your Right Hand!

2000-01-20 Thread pennie hammons

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How many times in the OT is the term "right hand" used in reference to
strength, power or even Jesus Himself? Revelation must be interpreted by
using the rest of the Bible. Without knowing the whole Bible, none of it
will ever make sense. As far as the sores are concerned, look at Rev
14:9&10.

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>Subject: Re: [CTRL] I.D. Biochip in your Right Hand!
>Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 11:49:29 -0600
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>
> >>>WHAT is  *in* your forehead???
>
>WHAT is *in* your hand?  The Bible makes it clear it's going to be in the
>hand OR forehead.  How could it possibly something not physical if it was
>in
>the hand?  If it was something not physical or mental as what you believe
>why then even put the Hand as an option?   And why the grievous sore for
>those that have the mark? [Rev 16:2]  That brings me to believe it is a
>device and not simply a state of mind.
>
>
>
>Jamie
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Re: [CTRL] I.D. Biochip in your Right Hand!

2000-01-20 Thread pennie hammons

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 -Cui Bono?-

> >
> >  It doesn't matter what it is, we won't be here to see it.  But I
> > disagree, it is physical thing.
>

Don't be so sure that we won't be here. The rapture theory is just that: A
theory. I encourage you to reread for yourself what is said in the Bible
about this and see that there is no pre-trib rapture mentioned anywhere.
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Re: [CTRL] Madeline Colleen:Secretary of Hate

2000-01-20 Thread pennie hammons

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 -Cui Bono?-

>This is a pretty good psychological profile of Madeline
>Albright...the reluctant Zionist.
>
>What do you think of this one Nicky?
>
>Colleen

Dear Colleen:
Everything that you babble is sheer lunacy. Take your Jew-hating ass back to
the Sons Of Losers list you came from. Love Pennie

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Re: [CTRL] I.D. Biochip in your Right Hand!

2000-01-19 Thread pennie hammons

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 -Cui Bono?-

You are absolutely right, Eagle1. The "mark" is not a physical thing. People
are so worried about being forced to get a smartcard or chip
implant...ridiculous! Even if this chip were to be used as an
identification, it only menas that technology has improved. If we aren't
going to burn for having a social security number, this is no different. I
just wonder how many people would end up as refugees or dead by insisting on
not getting a chip, if it were ever required. Identification or credit is
not a crime against God. What did Jesus say about the coin with Caesar's
image on it? Or what did Paul say about obeying the earthly rulers, for God
put them in power? Put your trust in God, or you might be "marked" by the
One who really counts.


>From: Eagle 1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [CTRL] I.D. Biochip in your Right Hand!
>Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 22:11:22 -0600
>
>-Caveat Lector-   http://www.ctrl.org/">
> -Cui Bono?-
>
>Where can I get mine?  I'd just as soon do it and get it over with...
>It only means that the end of the earth age is closer at hand  (no pun
>intended)...
>Mark me, electrify me, chip me, tattoo me, give me a card...
>It doesn't change what I believe  *in my forehead*  (the governing part of
>my brain)...
>(between the frontlets) ... NOR does it change what I will do with the
>information from my brain to the use of my *right*  (or left) hand(s)...
>
>eagle 1
>http://www.lambsheart.com/fourwinds/mark.html
>
>"There can be no connection between the mind and the hand without the
>heart"
>~author unknown~
>
>Welcoming the NWO...
>Let's get it over with.
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "ThePiedPiper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 9:57 PM
>Subject: Re: [CTRL] I.D. Biochip in your Right Hand!
>
>
> > -Caveat Lector-   http://www.ctrl.org/">
> >  -Cui Bono?-
> >
> > The body is branded but what of brain transplants?
> > So, is the Brain branded?
> > The Pied Piper
> >
> > ps with the way they are wiping out the bacteria
> > that the plants and humans need for life -
> > I wonder
> > will the human race be around another 10 years to
> > worry about it?
> >
> > Nicky Molloy wrote:
> > >
> > > -Caveat Lector-   http://www.ctrl.org/">
> > >  -Cui Bono?-
> > >
> > > I have that book with the same name called Implantable Biochip
>Technology,
> > > see below. Every technical detail on what the companies are developing
>for
> > > this whole system. (no preaching!  - all 80 pages of technology) The
>address
> > > is there below and its $US 10
> > > Nicky
> > >
> > > The Mark of the New WorldOrder:
> > > I.D. Biochip in your Right Hand!
> > >  http://www.prophezine.com/search/database/is2.5.html
> > >
> > > By: Terry L. Cook
> > >
> > > Clinton's proposed health care card, a disguised NATIONAL IDENTITY
>CARD
>is
> > > an ingenious device for tracking and controlling the lives of American
> > > citizens. This new ID card will allow Big Brother and Big Sister
>(uncle
>Bill
> > > and aunt Hillary, or any other New World Order representative) to
>maintain
> > > digitized, permanent, and accessible records on every man, woman and
>child
> > > in America. The government wants us to believe that this socialistic
>plan
> > > will benefit us by allegedly improving the quality and/or general
> > > availability of health care coverage in the United States. But nothing
>could
> > > be further from the truth!
> > >
> > > Indeed, the ulterior objective of this plan is not to improve the
>quality or
> > > availability of health care insurance. Rather, it is a devious means
>of
> > > consolidating and computerizing all available information on each of
>us
>into
> > > a new electronically digitized, centralized government data base that
>will
> > > ultimately lead to a complete loss of privacy, enslavement, and
>control.
> > >
> > > To make this enslaving system work, each of us must have a unique ID
>number
> > > that can be accessed by various local, national and international
>computer
> > > banks. That is why the National Health Board, which would be set up
>under
> > > this socialistic "Health Care" program, would "enforce unique
>identification
> > > numbers for all consumers," according to government literature. This
>is
> > > already being done in Canada and other countries.
> > >
> > > The Clintonista National Identity Card will become so ubiquitous, so
> > > necessary in order to comply with government regulations, that we will
>be
> > > forced to carry it with us at all times! That leads to a very serious
> > > problem. What if we lose it? What if someone steals it? Will we be
>able
>to
> > > function without it? Probably not! But don't fret, your "friendly"
> > > New-World-Order government has a solution. You see, there is a new,
>more
> > > advanced and sophisticated system of identification that cannot be
>l

Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!

2000-01-14 Thread pennie hammons

-Caveat Lector-   http://www.ctrl.org/">
 -Cui Bono?-

So our country is "mostly" Christian, I beg your forgiveness for my
misquote. As for me being a bigot, what a joke. You used the old liberal
standby for anyone who disagrees with you. Just lovely.
It stands to reason that you studied Logic 101 and Debate in our fine
liberal establishments, you are a product of their brainwashing.


>From: nessie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!
>Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:43:44 -0800
>
>-Caveat Lector-   http://www.ctrl.org/">
> -Cui Bono?-
>
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
> >It was
>
> >an example, just like Nessie's ridiculous example of Christians bombing
>
> >Iraq. So it is the Christian church that is attacking Iraq? I was just
> >sure
>
> >it was the US military. Well, if they are all Christians, then you must
>be
>
> >saying that this is a Christian nation!!!
>
>
>
>You're misquoting me. I specifically stated that they were "mostly"
>Christians. It's rude to misquote people. What's more, it makes you look
>really, really stupid and more than a little dishonest. Give it up.
>
>I also recommend that you go back to school and take Logic 101 over again.
>You didn't get it the first time around, not by a long shot. A semester or
>two  of the basic principles of debate wouldn't hurt  either. If you want
>to play the game, first learn the rules. Otherwise, you lose.
>
>And another thing: by only groaning when your ox is gored you also look a
>lot like a flaming hypocrite, i.e. a typical  Christian.  They tiny
>handful of Christians who aren't flaming hypocrites would do well to
>disassociate themselves from the likes of you. You yourself would do well
>to study the teachings of Jesus. He spoke out, and acted out, against
>hypocrisy his entire ministry. He reviled those who "pray aloud on the
>street corner." He praised the good Samaritan, even Samaritans are by
>definition practitioners of a minority, dissident religion. He shamed away
>those about to stone a woman accused of adultery. His last act in public
>was to drive one batch of hypocrites from the Temple by force.  He would
>most certainly have spoken out against a bigot like you. He was that kind
>of guy.
>
>Thinking like yours is diametrically opposite to his teachings. Thinking
>like yours is  what gave us over a millennium and a half of religious
>warfare and persecution. Thinking like yours is primitive, barbaric and a
>menace to peace and liberty. Get over it.
>
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Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!

2000-01-14 Thread pennie hammons

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 -Cui Bono?-

Jelly, you are obliviously much morer learned than me is. I couldn't care
less WHO takes me seriously, that was never my goal. And "but I doubt it" is
not a complete sentence, Miss Smarty Pants.


>From: Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!
>Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:51:41 -0500
>
>-Caveat Lector-   http://www.ctrl.org/">
> -Cui Bono?-
>
>pennie hammons wrote:
>
> > You are all so pathetic. I'm sure glad four of you had to point out to
>me
> > that wiccans aren't satanists. First of all, I didn't say they were. It
>was
> > an example, just like Nessie's ridiculous example of Christians bombing
> > Iraq. So it is the Christian church that is attacking Iraq? I was just
>sure
> > it was the US miltary. Well, if they are all Christians, then you must
>be
> > saying that this is a Christian nation!!!Thanks for proving Extremist's
> > point.
>
>
>Talking about pathetic - once you learn to spell religion and religious
>maybe people will take you more seriously.  But I doubt it.
>
>Kelly
>
> > >From: nessie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!
> > >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 09:39:03 -0800
> > >
> > >-Caveat Lector-   http://www.ctrl.org/">
> > > -Cui Bono?-
> > >
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
> > > >that you can make a connection between paganism and
> > >
> > > >Christianity. Freedom of Religeon, I guess, is a little too broad and
> > >
> > > >outdated for our immoral society. If a Satanist sacrifices a child,
>he
> > > >can't
> > >
> > > >claim "religeous freedom", can he?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >I am shocked and saddened that you have been so indoctrinated in the
> > >ideology of your faith that you (1.) can't tell a pagan from a Satanist
> > >and (2.) think that Satanists sacrifice children.
> > >
> > >Even  if they did, Christendom has far too much innocent blood on its
> > >hands to criticize anybody else for killing babies. Aside from
>Crusades,
> > >the Inquisition, the Holocaust and the slaughter of New World
>indiginents,
> > >consider Iraq. Three or four days a week for nearly a decade now
>(mostly)
> > >Christian bomber pilots have rained death on Iraq and (mostly)
>Christian
> > >sailors have blockaded Iraqi ports. Nearly a half million Iraqi
>civilians
> > >have died, most of them slowly and painfully. Almost all have been
>women
> > >and children. And for what have they been sacrificed? Oil company
>profits.
> > >It is, at the very least, obscene. To REAL Christians, i.e. the
>followers
> > >of the teachings of Jesus himself, it is an abomination. To the vast
> > >majority of people who call themselves "Christians" it is apparently
>not
> > >worthy of outrage.
> > >
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Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!

2000-01-14 Thread pennie hammons

-Caveat Lector-   http://www.ctrl.org/">
 -Cui Bono?-

You are all so pathetic. I'm sure glad four of you had to point out to me
that wiccans aren't satanists. First of all, I didn't say they were. It was
an example, just like Nessie's ridiculous example of Christians bombing
Iraq. So it is the Christian church that is attacking Iraq? I was just sure
it was the US miltary. Well, if they are all Christians, then you must be
saying that this is a Christian nation!!!Thanks for proving Extremist's
point.


>From: nessie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!
>Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 09:39:03 -0800
>
>-Caveat Lector-   http://www.ctrl.org/">
> -Cui Bono?-
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
> >that you can make a connection between paganism and
>
> >Christianity. Freedom of Religeon, I guess, is a little too broad and
>
> >outdated for our immoral society. If a Satanist sacrifices a child, he
> >can't
>
> >claim "religeous freedom", can he?
>
>
>
>I am shocked and saddened that you have been so indoctrinated in the
>ideology of your faith that you (1.) can't tell a pagan from a Satanist
>and (2.) think that Satanists sacrifice children.
>
>Even  if they did, Christendom has far too much innocent blood on its
>hands to criticize anybody else for killing babies. Aside from Crusades,
>the Inquisition, the Holocaust and the slaughter of New World indiginents,
>consider Iraq. Three or four days a week for nearly a decade now (mostly)
>Christian bomber pilots have rained death on Iraq and (mostly) Christian
>sailors have blockaded Iraqi ports. Nearly a half million Iraqi civilians
>have died, most of them slowly and painfully. Almost all have been women
>and children. And for what have they been sacrificed? Oil company profits.
>It is, at the very least, obscene. To REAL Christians, i.e. the followers
>of the teachings of Jesus himself, it is an abomination. To the vast
>majority of people who call themselves "Christians" it is apparently not
>worthy of outrage.
>
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Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!

2000-01-14 Thread pennie hammons

-Caveat Lector-   http://www.ctrl.org/">
 -Cui Bono?-

Actually, I spent 20 minutes writing my reply to you when my husband rolled
over in bed and hit the keyboard with his hand. I don't know what he pushed
but it deleted everything I'd written and I was too tired and mad at losing
it to rewrite the whole thing. It was really good by the way...


>From: Ynr Chyldz Wyld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!
>Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 09:03:24 -0800
>
>-Caveat Lector-   http://www.ctrl.org/">
> -Cui Bono?-
>
>From: "pennie hammons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >It matters not a whit what our CURRENCY (which really has no more value
> > >than
> > >the paper it's printed on) says...
> >
> > Hey June, then I'll trade you my ones for a bunch of hundreds...?
>
>Don't have any at hand.  But you seem to feel that there is some real VALUE
>to our money.  Without gold or silver to back it up, it's really worthless.
>
>But that all begs the question of what was being discussed...which I notice
>you conveniently ignored.
>
>
>June
>
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Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!

2000-01-13 Thread pennie hammons

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>It matters not a whit what our CURRENCY (which really has no more value
>than
>the paper it's printed on) says...

Hey June, then I'll trade you my ones for a bunch of hundreds...?
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Re: [CTRL] Bard in Poland

2000-01-13 Thread pennie hammons

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>
>  Urging followers to put up crosses, Switon said in
>leaflets ``the time has come so that we, Poles,
>  wage merciless war on Jewish-communist-masonry, the
>biggest enemies of the Polish state.'' Leaflets
>  described Israel and Germany as ``satanic-pagan
>forces aiming at extermination of the Polish nation.''
>
Now I know why people always make Polish jokes...Israel and Germany united?
What bull!
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Re: [CTRL] Response To Eagle

2000-01-13 Thread pennie hammons

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 -Cui Bono?-

Eagle, you need to settle down. You are not exactly being a living example
of the love of Christ. You are condemning the mainstream church in one
breath and atheists in the next. Are you telling me that only Bible scholars
like yourself are going to Heaven? You sound like the chief priests and
Pharisees that Jesus called the brood of vipers. Jesus said that, but that
doesn't give you the right to go around saying that yourself. I think your
statement about TBN is a crock of crap. They do more to spread the Gospel
than most. What do you do that is better than them? You think Jan's hair
makes her a whore? Are you judging by appearances? Mainstream Christianity
is not an abomination to God. Thinking that it is an abomination just might
be worse. You think you have decoded Revelation? Well, you are wrong.
Bill mentioned someone who asked you questions off-list and you didn't
respond. I also asked you questions off-list and didn't get an answer from
you. Maybe you are too busy or maybe you only like to respond when everyone
is watching..?

>From: Eagle 1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [CTRL] Response To Eagle
>Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 22:47:28 -0600
>
>-Caveat Lector-   http://www.ctrl.org/">
> -Cui Bono?-
>
>OK BILL...
>Since you're such an expert on "Christian attitude"...  seems you should
>define it for all of us,  so we all know exactly how a Christian is
>supposed
>to ""act"" Christ called those with a religious attitude in his day,
>"vipers", hypocrits (play actors), and progeny of the devil...So,
>since
>you know so much about this subject,  tell us exactly,  just what is this
>"Christian attitude"???  Hm ??? ...
>
>The problem is here,  sir,  YOU'RE the one who's brainwashed by the
>mainstream of Christianity that paints a picture of Christianity that would
>make a normal person turn the other way and run...  The mainstream image of
>Christianity is the true harlot spoken of in Revelation.  The modernday
>Judeo-Christian beliefs are such a far stretch from the reality of the
>truth,  it's no wonder that Christ referred to it as false religion(s) and
>the false prophet(s) of the last days...
>
>Don't classify me into any such group,  because I am neither
>fundamentalist,
>nor am I mainstream.  I will repeat myself,  I do not subscribe ascrib or
>prescribe to any religious organization,  and for the record I watch TBN
>for
>entertainment purposes only...  The lady with the purple hair is a real
>riot!!!   What an example of Christian harlotry!!! Sheesh!!!
>Gene Scott once said that "TBN would be the mouthpiece of the false prophet
>in the last days..."  And tho' I do not subscribe to Gene Scott's
>philosophies,  this may be one time, I do believe this comment is true.  I
>just don't believe in that TBN type of junk religion they buy and sell
>there
>...
>
>OH!...  you asked some unnamed person OFF  *this*  list about me
>someone unnamed who knows absolutely NOTHING about me???  and by that
>person's conclusions,  you want to call what I believe "warped"???  when
>YOU
>have no clue...???  That's real good,  Bill,  shows me about what your
>opinion is worth.   LOL    ROTFL  (thanks for the laugh!!!)
>
>Like I said,  since you're such an expert on Christian attitude...  Define
>it.
>
>eagle 1
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "William Shannon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 7:12 PM
>Subject: [CTRL] Response To Eagle
>
>
> > -Cavet Lector-   http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org  -Cui
>Bono-
> >
> > "Eagle" wrote-
> > << First of all...  my name isn't Charlie... >>
> >
> > Well "no S*it Sherlock"...bet yer' not a Shelock either huh?? Go
>figure!!!
> >
> > <>
> >
> > OK...that's easy...
> >
> > < > speech and freedom of choice.  Makes me no mind...  (However,  I do hope
>I'm
> > around to see your face when you find out it [the Bible] was all true,
> > while you scoffed and mocked)>>
> >
> > Now is THAT a very "Christian" attitude??
> >
> > < > the Bible and Christianity is a fraud than there is a man in the moon.>>
> >
> > Um...to a reasonable degree of certainty, I could. To the brainwashed
>that'd
> > be near impossible...so totally is your mind controlled.
> >
> >  > could care less what you believe.>>
> >
> > Again with that fine "Christian" attitude! Hmmm...
> >
> > < > want to...  just give me the space to believe and express my beliefs in
> > equal time,  Bill...>>
> >
> > Well, OK...HOWEVER I have it on good authority, from a "Christian" with
>whom
> > you've done "battle" on this list...but REFUSED to answer "off-list"
>that
> > your theology is askance...off...warped..
> > But that's not MY battle...just thought it a curious point of
>information.
> >
> > Peace,
> > Bill.
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Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!

2000-01-13 Thread pennie hammons

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I could swear our currency still says "In God We Trust", not goddess.
Here's my outrage...that you can make a connection between paganism and
Christianity. Freedom of Religeon, I guess, is a little too broad and
outdated for our immoral society. If a Satanist sacrifices a child, he can't
claim "religeous freedom", can he? I am shocked that this has happened, but
only because I can't believe the school system still has enough common sense
to get rid of her.


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>Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:00:07 -0800
>
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> -Cui Bono?-
>
>Yeah, where's the outrage? If this were a Christian being persecuted the
>howls would be heard clear to the moon. Why did I have to hear about this
>here and not on the evening news?
>
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Re: [CTRL] Heads Up, Eagle1

2000-01-08 Thread pennie hammons

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>From: nessie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [CTRL] Heads Up, Eagle1
>Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 21:28:57 -0800
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
> >
> >The Bible will remain true
>
> >regardless of what I believe, you believe,  or anyone else believes.
>
>Nessie wrote:
>
>That's exactly what other people say about the Koran, the Torah, the
>Bhagevad Gita, the Pali Sutras and Das Kapital.
>
>It's also idolatry.


Hmm, belief in the Word of God is idolatry? WHATEVER!
Pennie
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Re: [CTRL] Heads Up, KS

2000-01-06 Thread pennie hammons

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ks, if you are talking about the "abomination of desolation", compare Luke
17:30,31 to Matt 24:17,18. Interesting time table we are given there, huh?


>From: KDS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 16:29:40 -0600
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
>YOU GO GIRL
>and I just have to disagree w/ Eagle's interp. of Matthew 24, I believe,
>and have
>researched, and I think he was speaking of the Jews, when they realize they
>have
>been duped by the anti-christ, and he calls for their all out destruction
>in the
>middle of the 3 1/2 year tribulation breaking the peace treaty, and they
>have to
>flee for their lives.
>ks
>
>pennie hammons wrote:
>
> >  -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > All I'm trying to say is that no one should feel that they have God all
> > figured out, because that isn't possible. We who love the Lord will know
>a
> > tree by it's fruit, no matter who comes first. The more I learn the more
>I
> > realize how little I know. This isn't what we are supposed to be doing
>with
> > all of our time. It is not good to separate yourself from the church
>instead
> > of praying for enlightenment for the ones around you who are earnestly
> > seeking God. It is pure arrogance to think you are better than those who
>go
> > to church. I go so I can be humbled with the knowledge that God loves
>them
> > all and none of us are perfect. Anti-religeon is not the answer. Stay in
>the
> > body, it's the only way the whole body will eventually come together
>with no
> > more division.
> >
> > >From: Eagle 1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: Re: [CTRL] Heads Up, Eagle1
> > >Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 13:49:47 -0600
> > >
> > >  -Caveat Lector-
> > >
> > >Pennie,
> > >The whole of Matthew 24,  Mark 13 and Luke 21 and MORE,  is dedicated
>to
> > >us,
> > >for learning WHO the false messiah is in the last days.  Jesus taught
>that
> > >there is one specifically coming in HIS name.  I've researched it for
> > >myself,  and I do believe the antichrist [one who comes in the stead of
> > >Jesus]  comes first on the scene powering first the NWO to prep the way
>for
> > >his appearance.  This is from my own research not from traditions or
>false
> > >doctrine.  I got tired of being lied to as a child and as an adult.
>So,  I
> > >dove in, and learned the truth for myself.
> > >
> > >Jesus was explicit in those chapters referenced of how it would be in
>the
> > >last days,  warning of the false one(s) who would come in HIS name in
>the
> > >last days...  speaking to the last generation.  That is what those
>chapters
> > >are completely about... referring to the antichrist and how to
>recognize
> > >him
> > >and his mark.  THEN,  He is even more explicit in description in His
> > >Revealing ...  chapters 13, and 11 specifically though the whole most
>of
> > >Revelation is dedicated to what will happen to those who do not believe
> > >that
> > >the one who  verse 11: "Looks like the Lamb of God,  but speaks like
> > >Dragon"
> > >is the true Messiah.
> > >
> > >I've researched this for over 20 years.  My own personal conclusions
>from
> > >the prophecies given throughout the Bible is that the antichrist will
>come
> > >masquerading / disguised as Jesus.  It's what he's wanted to do all
>along.
> > >(Isaiah 14:12-16) God will allow this to happen for a very specific
>reason.
> > >You can read the study on the "Four Winds" at
> > >http://www.lambsheart.com/fourwinds...
> > >But hey,  don't believe me,  believe the Words of God and Christ.  They
> > >laid
> > >it out line upon line,  precept upon precept.  If you don't believe it
> > >now...  just remember you were warned,  when you do learn the truth of
>the
> > >matter.  I just pray you are not one of those who is gripped with
> > >paralyzing
> > >fear,  when you realize who the false messiah really is.  See
>Revelation ch
> > >11.  There is much more to this,  but will be getting more and more off
> > >topic and into something that deserves a better forum to discuss.
> > >
> > >I wi

Re: [CTRL] Heads Up, Eagle1

2000-01-06 Thread pennie hammons

 -Caveat Lector-

All I'm trying to say is that no one should feel that they have God all
figured out, because that isn't possible. We who love the Lord will know a
tree by it's fruit, no matter who comes first. The more I learn the more I
realize how little I know. This isn't what we are supposed to be doing with
all of our time. It is not good to separate yourself from the church instead
of praying for enlightenment for the ones around you who are earnestly
seeking God. It is pure arrogance to think you are better than those who go
to church. I go so I can be humbled with the knowledge that God loves them
all and none of us are perfect. Anti-religeon is not the answer. Stay in the
body, it's the only way the whole body will eventually come together with no
more division.


>From: Eagle 1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [CTRL] Heads Up, Eagle1
>Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 13:49:47 -0600
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
>Pennie,
>The whole of Matthew 24,  Mark 13 and Luke 21 and MORE,  is dedicated to
>us,
>for learning WHO the false messiah is in the last days.  Jesus taught that
>there is one specifically coming in HIS name.  I've researched it for
>myself,  and I do believe the antichrist [one who comes in the stead of
>Jesus]  comes first on the scene powering first the NWO to prep the way for
>his appearance.  This is from my own research not from traditions or false
>doctrine.  I got tired of being lied to as a child and as an adult.  So,  I
>dove in, and learned the truth for myself.
>
>Jesus was explicit in those chapters referenced of how it would be in the
>last days,  warning of the false one(s) who would come in HIS name in the
>last days...  speaking to the last generation.  That is what those chapters
>are completely about... referring to the antichrist and how to recognize
>him
>and his mark.  THEN,  He is even more explicit in description in His
>Revealing ...  chapters 13, and 11 specifically though the whole most of
>Revelation is dedicated to what will happen to those who do not believe
>that
>the one who  verse 11: "Looks like the Lamb of God,  but speaks like
>Dragon"
>is the true Messiah.
>
>I've researched this for over 20 years.  My own personal conclusions from
>the prophecies given throughout the Bible is that the antichrist will come
>masquerading / disguised as Jesus.  It's what he's wanted to do all along.
>(Isaiah 14:12-16) God will allow this to happen for a very specific reason.
>You can read the study on the "Four Winds" at
>http://www.lambsheart.com/fourwinds...
>But hey,  don't believe me,  believe the Words of God and Christ.  They
>laid
>it out line upon line,  precept upon precept.  If you don't believe it
>now...  just remember you were warned,  when you do learn the truth of the
>matter.  I just pray you are not one of those who is gripped with
>paralyzing
>fear,  when you realize who the false messiah really is.  See Revelation ch
>11.  There is much more to this,  but will be getting more and more off
>topic and into something that deserves a better forum to discuss.
>
>I will discuss this with you further off the CTRL List,  if you like,  or
>there is a list that I have specifically for these types of topics if you'd
>like.
>
>eagle 1
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "pennie hammons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 1:31 PM
>Subject: Re: [CTRL] Heads Up, Eagle1
>
>
> > -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > Be careful, Eagle1. Nowhere does it say that the antichrist, if it is
>one
> > man, will claim to be Jesus. This is another one taught to us by
>tradition,
> > not the Bible. Just imagine for a moment that the first to come realy IS
> > Jesus, would you crucify Him because you think you know the way it HAS
>to
> > happen? Pennie
> > >
> > >KDS,
> > >"Thief in the night"  is a term latched on to by traditions of men,
>though
> > >the words are there,  it has been twisted by men and his doctrines.  It
>has
> > >been taken out of it's perspective and replaced into another.  JESUS
>was
>no
> > >thief...  and he will come as no thief,  per se.  He will unexpectedly
>come
> > >to those who have believed a false doctrine such as rapture or
> > >amilleniumism, etc.,  because those who believe those perversion of
> > >doctrines will believe that the first one who comes claiming to be
>Jesus
> > >Christ is the true messiah come to 'rapture' them away;  when he will
> > >actually 

Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN

2000-01-06 Thread pennie hammons

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>
>Pennie,
>ISRAEL is the OLIVE TREE...
>The fig trees were planted...  symbollic of the true lineage of HEBREWS and
>the false ones who claim they are [HEBREWS] 'Jews' but are not.

I'm sorry, but I don't understand who you are refering to when you say
"those who say they are Jews, but are not". Does anyone really say that? I
don't know of anyone who claims to be a Jew and isn't. I certainly didn't
see anyone doing that 60 years ago, either. Since when does God care about
"True lineage", when Rehab and Ruth were both foreigners, yet still
ancesters of David and Jesus. They obviously didn't have true lineage. I
really don't think that is what Jesus means when he says that about the
Synagogue of Satan. That is a spiritual thing, a choice.
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Re: [CTRL] Heads Up, Eagle1

2000-01-06 Thread pennie hammons

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Be careful, Eagle1. Nowhere does it say that the antichrist, if it is one
man, will claim to be Jesus. This is another one taught to us by tradition,
not the Bible. Just imagine for a moment that the first to come realy IS
Jesus, would you crucify Him because you think you know the way it HAS to
happen? Pennie
>
>KDS,
>"Thief in the night"  is a term latched on to by traditions of men,  though
>the words are there,  it has been twisted by men and his doctrines.  It has
>been taken out of it's perspective and replaced into another.  JESUS was no
>thief...  and he will come as no thief,  per se.  He will unexpectedly come
>to those who have believed a false doctrine such as rapture or
>amilleniumism, etc.,  because those who believe those perversion of
>doctrines will believe that the first one who comes claiming to be Jesus
>Christ is the true messiah come to 'rapture' them away;  when he will
>actually be the antichrist. The first taken out of the field is taken to
>this camp...  Personally,  I don't care to be in that group.
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Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN

2000-01-06 Thread pennie hammons

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-
>
>And ya know, one can find statements like these all through historic times.
>
>Arrogance.
>
>MHO
>Om
>K


Kris, it's not arrogance. It's HOPE. Pennie

**

>In a message dated 1/6/00 10:05:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> >If that were true then why is the Bible so explicit in keeping a
>watch?
> >
> >Especially the verse about Jesus coming like a thief in the night? and
> >why give us
> >
> >any signs at all then? I agree no one, not even Jesus, knows the day or
> >the hour
> >
> >but it does give definite end time signs..and I do believe that the
> >clock
> >
> >started when Jerusalem was taken in the Yom Kipper War..as far
> >as the
> >
> >other New Testament signs, it would seem that they all have been
>fufilled..
> >
> >ks
>
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Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN

2000-01-06 Thread pennie hammons

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KS, I have always believed the fig tree-Israel parable until recently. Now
I'm not so sure. Where in the Bible does God ever refer to Israel as a fig
tree? She is always the olive tree. It very well could be refering to
something else. It could be refering to the tree that Adam and Eve hid in
when they ate the fruit of knowledge. Who know? We've been taught what all
of the prophesies mean by men instead of letting the Holy Spirit interpret
them for us. Daniel's 70 weeks, a time, times and half a time. All of those
things are NOT solved by any means.


>From: KDS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN
>Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:06:12 -0600
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
>If that were true then why is the Bible so explicit in keeping a watch?
>Especially the verse about Jesus coming like a thief in the night? and why
>give us
>any signs at all then? I agree no one, not even Jesus, knows the day or the
>hour
>but it does give definite end time signs..and I do believe that the
>clock
>started when Jerusalem was taken in the Yom Kipper War..as far as
>the
>other New Testament signs, it would seem that they all have been
>fufilled..
>ks
>
>Robert Tatman wrote:
>
> >  -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > Twaddle indeed...and unbiblical to boot. Consider Acts 1:6-8 (NRSV): "So
> > when they had come together, they asked him, 'Lord, is this the time
>when
> > you will restore the kingdom to Israel?' He replied, 'It is not for you
>to
> > know the times or periods that the Father has set by his own authority.
>But
> > you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you
>will
> > be my witnesses in Jerusalem, in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends
>of
> > the earth.'" This is Jesus' explicit warning to all of those end-time
> > propheteers who pretend to be able to predict the exact timing of the
>Second
> > Coming: that is for God to know, not for humans. Our role (and here I am
> > speaking out of my own faith) is to let the Spirit lead us into lives
>which
> > imitate Christ's life, and through those changed lives witness to the
>Truth.
> > Let God worry about tomorrow and the day after tomorrow. Today is quite
> > enough of a challenge for any of us.
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Kris Millegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 11:24 AM
> > Subject: Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN
> >
> > > -Caveat Lector-
> > >
> > > BS, pure unadultrated twaddle to shore-up prejudical racist excuses.
>MHO
> > >
> > > Last generation? In physical terms? Ain't you special. Pure religious
> > > pomposity!
> > >
> > > Om
> > > K
> > >
> > > In a message dated 1/6/00 6:58:02 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > >
> > > >However,  there is evidence to suggest that these are in fact the
>"last
> > > >days".  It comes from the fact that the 'last generation' is the one
>who
> > > >would experience those things Christ spoke of when he gave the
>parable
> > > >of
> > > >the Fig Tree to the multitude.  
> >
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Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN

2000-01-06 Thread pennie hammons

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Shame on you, Robert! You told half of the truth there, but missed the signs
that Jesus gave with the explicit warning "When you see all of these things
occuring, lift up your head, for your redemption is at hand". We are
supposed to look, even if we aren't supposed to worry and fret over which
day it is going to be. Eagle quoted scripture to back up his statements and
you used scripture to back up your. Both quotes are the word of God, and you
shouldn't be telling Eagle he is wrongmaybe YOU misunderstood the Acts
quote. I see that quote as a clue to understanding Leviticus 23:22 and
23:43. God set those feast days by His own authority(I am the Lord your
God).


>From: Robert Tatman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN
>Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:50:52 -0500
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
>Twaddle indeed...and unbiblical to boot. Consider Acts 1:6-8 (NRSV): "So
>when they had come together, they asked him, 'Lord, is this the time when
>you will restore the kingdom to Israel?' He replied, 'It is not for you to
>know the times or periods that the Father has set by his own authority. But
>you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you will
>be my witnesses in Jerusalem, in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of
>the earth.'" This is Jesus' explicit warning to all of those end-time
>propheteers who pretend to be able to predict the exact timing of the
>Second
>Coming: that is for God to know, not for humans. Our role (and here I am
>speaking out of my own faith) is to let the Spirit lead us into lives which
>imitate Christ's life, and through those changed lives witness to the
>Truth.
>Let God worry about tomorrow and the day after tomorrow. Today is quite
>enough of a challenge for any of us.
>
>- Original Message -
>From: Kris Millegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 11:24 AM
>Subject: Re: [CTRL] Heads Up! FLEECED AGAIN
>
>
> > -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > BS, pure unadultrated twaddle to shore-up prejudical racist excuses. MHO
> >
> > Last generation? In physical terms? Ain't you special. Pure religious
> > pomposity!
> >
> > Om
> > K
> >
> > In a message dated 1/6/00 6:58:02 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> > >However,  there is evidence to suggest that these are in fact the "last
> > >days".  It comes from the fact that the 'last generation' is the one
>who
> > >would experience those things Christ spoke of when he gave the parable
> > >of
> > >the Fig Tree to the multitude.  
>
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Re: [CTRL] JESUS WAS JEWISH ?

2000-01-05 Thread pennie hammons

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>From: Nurev Ind Research <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [CTRL] JESUS WAS JEWISH ?
>Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 20:40:31 -0500
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
>pennie hammons wrote:
> >
> >  -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > > > It was Jesus Barabbas who was the political
> > > > insurrectionist whom Pilate released to the people instead of Jesus
>the
> > > > Christ. The Jews at that time chose a leader who was opposed to
>Roman
> > >rule
> > > > and willing to rise up against them, rather than the peaceableness
>of
> > > > Christ's nature.
> > >
> > >I know which books you've been reading. Try some that are historical
>for
> > >a change.
> > >
> > >Joshua2
> >
> > Hello! That's out of the Bible. And I'm pretty sure you could consider
>it
> > historical...Pennie
>
>Hello! Hello! NO ONE claims that the Bible is historical. The question is,
>how much of what is in the Bible is historical and how much is religious
>fiction. You also need to separate the OT from the NT when talking about
>the Bible because as historians and archaeologists of all stripes make more
>discoveries in and around the Middle East, the veracity of the OT is going
>up, while the veracity of the NT is going down. That is kind of interesting
>considering that verifying the historicity of the original Bible should be
>more difficult since it's stories are ( traditionally ) 2000 years older.
>On
>the other hand, you would think that the stories in the New Testament would
>be much more easily verifiable considering that the stories occurred fairly
>recently, and within and beside other cultures' written histories such as
>Roman, Jewish, Copt, Arab, etc. etc.
>
>I'm not talking about the theological or supernatural content of both
>Bibles.
>I'm talking about things like finding places that ceased to exist since
>biblical times, or writings of other cultures which corroborate historical
>figures, or descriptions of natural events which left their marks in the
>earth.
>
>I don't envy religionists at this point in time. It could happen at any
>moment.
>Some discovery will be made which will put some people's favorite mythology
>to rest. I see this as a good thing.
>
>Joshua2

J2, I claim that the Bible is history; OT and NT. They go together perfectly
and you can't really understand one without the other. If you can't believe
the entire Bible is true, you will never understand the multiple layers of
it. Try looking at it with a new eye, huh? I understand that you are Jewish
and don't take the NT as true, but I know that it is. I read the Hebrew OT
as well as the Greek NT, and believe me, they do go together. Pennie
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Re: [CTRL] It's January 3rd. Where's the martial law I was told to expect?

2000-01-04 Thread pennie hammons

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>From: True Patriot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Subject: [CTRL] It's January 3rd. Where's the martial law I was told to
>  expect?
>Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 13:55:57 -0500
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
>Well I gave it a few days.
>I even thought I saw a UN blue helmet. Turned out my neighbor got a new
>hat.
>But there was no NWO takeover.
>No FEMA command.
>No Executive Order declaring martial law.
>No foreign troops marching in the streets.
>Nothing.
>Nada.
>So you paranoid wack jobs, where are you apologizes for crying wolf?

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Re: [CTRL] JESUS WAS JEWISH ?

2000-01-04 Thread pennie hammons

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> > It was Jesus Barabbas who was the political
> > insurrectionist whom Pilate released to the people instead of Jesus the
> > Christ. The Jews at that time chose a leader who was opposed to Roman
>rule
> > and willing to rise up against them, rather than the peaceableness of
> > Christ's nature.
>
>I know which books you've been reading. Try some that are historical for
>a change.
>
>Joshua2

Hello! That's out of the Bible. And I'm pretty sure you could consider it
historical...Pennie

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Re: [CTRL] JESUS WAS JEWISH ?

1999-12-31 Thread pennie hammons

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>He means that J was not a revolutionary against Judaism as is depicted in
>the
>NT. He WAS a great revolutionary against Rome. For this he was crucified.
>There were only two scenarios that warranted crucifixion under the Romans.
>Political insurrection, and runaway slaves.
>
>Jews considered crucifixion an abomination like human sacrifice.
>
>
I don't know what books you've been reading, but you obviously don't know a
thing about Jesus. It was Jesus Barabbas who was the political
insurrectionist whom Pilate released to the people instead of Jesus the
Christ. The Jews at that time chose a leader who was opposed to Roman rule
and willing to rise up against them, rather than the peaceableness of
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[CTRL] Putin Takes Power-West Watches, Worries

1999-12-31 Thread pennie hammons

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West watches, worries as Putin takes power
Friday, 31 December 1999 10:35 (GMT)

Subject: West watches, worries as Putin takes power
Date: Friday, December 31, 1999 10:42:57 AM EST
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West watches, worries as Putin takes power
By Martin Sieff, UPI National Security Editor   WASHINGTON, Dec. 31 (UPI) --
King Log has been succeeded by King Stork.

  A corrupt but relatively democratic and pro-Western leader of Russia has
been replaced by one who has given every indication he is likely to prove
anything but.

Vladimir Putin, the 47-year-old, dour, ruthless former secret police chief
who has just succeeded Boris Yeltsin as president of Russia, will make no
move to ideologically reimpose communism in Russia.

In the West, we might very well come to wish that he would.

Instead, Putin is a striking expression of the gangster values, pervading
cynicism, anti-Western nationalist sentiments and utterly ruthless
implementation of policies that pervades modern Russia.

He is the embodiment of the new criminal-syndicalist state, a system where
big business has been forced to adopt the literal practices of gangsters to
survive, because the structures and procedures of the rule of law are
virtually non-existent.

Putin has made clear that he will retain the basic, freewheeling free
market structure of Russia.

But in foreign policy, he looks set to confront the United States and the
West far more vigorously -- and ruthlessly -- than any leader in the past 16
years since the death of his own personal hero Yuri Andropov, who
masterminded a wave of murderous international terrorism against the West.

He has not even pretended to have any "personal chemistry" with U.S.
President Bill Clinton.

When Putin met Clinton in Oslo in early November, he was confrontational
and -- deliberately -- charmless. Clinton and his press spokesmen were so
taken aback that in their descriptions of the meeting, they omitted all the
usual rhetorical boiler plate about "the chemistry was good" and
"friendships remained strong" even if there was disagreement on every issue.

Putin is no "phony tough." He really is tough.

He reflects the obsession by the brutal and ferociously anti-Western wave
of new nationalists in Russia with implementing the principle of U.S.
President Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt - "Talk softly and carry a big stick
and you will go far." As prime minister, Putin already publicly threw his
weight behind rapidly rebuilding Russia's mighty Strategic Rocket Forces,
which even through the collapse of Soviet and Russian power have remained
the most deadly nuclear strike force in the world.

He has approved confrontational stunts by the Russian armed forces such as
plans to fly Tupolev Tu-22 Backfire bombers armed with nuclear cruise
missiles to Cuba or Vietnam next year.

He won the warm support of the Russian army's top general staff command for
giving them the green light to crush the secessionist Chechens, regardless
of the thousands of Chechen civilians who would die.

Domestically, he may well unleash a repressionist terror that would have
enormous public support.

Tsars Ivan the Terrible in the 16th century and Peter the Great in the 17th
century both became popular figures by crushing and humiliating the boyars,
the detested corrupt wealthy merchant class of their times.

Putin would enjoy similar overwhelming public support if he took such
actions against the billionaire oligarchs who have amassed enormous
financial, energy and media empires over the past decade while the living
standard of ordinary Russians has collapsed into impoverishment.

Putin already has a powerful political coalition behind him.

The pro-government Unity bloc won a stunning 23 percent of the vote in the
parliamentary elections just 12 days ago.

The Union of Right Wing Forces led by his old political mentor, former
Kremlin chief of staff Anatoly Chubais, won nearly 9 percent in the same
election. Chubais, in the words of analyst Dimitri Simes, president of the
Nixon Center, ran a shamelessly strident xenophobic and anti-Western
campaign, supporting Putin's policies in Chechnya.

Since then, Putin has openly signaled his warm approval of Chubais.

Ultra-nationalist Vladimir Zhirinovsky, who scraped back into parliament
with 6 percent of the vote, will also support Putin. He has little choice.

Zhirinovsky, who has threatened to obliterate Western cities with nuclear
weapons if he should ever win power, cynically supported Yeltsin in every
key parliamentary vote and was rewarded by having the pro-government
television networks shower favorable publicity on him in the parliamentary
election campaign.

He will not hesitate to applaud any and all confrontational, anti-Western
moves that Putin makes.

Even the majority Communists will rally behind Putin on key issues,
although they loathe his free market policies.

But they already support him on Chechnya and on confronting the West.

And they will cheer any moves he takes agai

Re: [CTRL] to J2

1999-12-30 Thread pennie hammons

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J2, I have just one thing to say to you...EAT ME! Sincerely, Pennie


>From: Nurev Ind Research <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Subject: Re: [CTRL] to Bard
>Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 17:59:45 -0500
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
>William Shannon wrote:
> >
> >  -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > In a message dated 12/30/99 1:46:13 AM Central Standard Time,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> > << You are BOTH sexist pigs! >>
> >
> > Jeez Pennie!!! Was just having a bit of fun...and anyway Maggie didn't
> > mind...so what's the real problem?
> > Bill.
>
>Pennie is right darnit! There are too many sexist slobs around here who
>are not respectful enough of women and female body parts.
>
>Humph!,
>Joshua " Muffmeister " 2
>
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Re: [CTRL] to Bard

1999-12-30 Thread pennie hammons

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Bill, I just like to give you a hard time. Don't get your panties in a
bunch...love ya, Pennie


>From: William Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 15:04:17 EST
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>In a message dated 12/30/99 1:46:13 AM Central Standard Time,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
><< You are BOTH sexist pigs! >>
>
>Jeez Pennie!!! Was just having a bit of fun...and anyway Maggie didn't
>mind...so what's the real problem?
>Bill.
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Re: [CTRL] to Bard

1999-12-29 Thread pennie hammons

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You are BOTH sexist pigs! And Bard, you are filled with anger and hate. If
God were sexist, would Debra have been a judge of Israel thousands of years
ago? Ha, you are an idiot stuck in your own perceptions of the truth. Follow
the love of Christ and stop condemning others or you too shall be condemned,
right? I'm pretty sure that's in the Bible.


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>Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 22:21:37 EST
>
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>
>In a message dated 12/29/99 9:16:57 PM Central Standard Time,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
><<  would rush up to him and give him one of those famous
>  'Maggie Hugs'  >>
>
>Well "Bard"...and BTW are you a Bacon??? 'Cause as we all know t'was Bacon
>who wrote all that we ascribe the "Bard"...
>Anyhoo, I know that I'll take one of them there "Maggie Hugs"...provided
>she's HOT, preferably BLONDE, and not too ignorantwhich THIS Maggie has
>PROVEN she isn't.
>S Maggieif you're cute and not a pig...bring it on
>babe!
>
>Bill.
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Re: [CTRL] Bug at hotmail

1999-12-27 Thread pennie hammons

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I have had my Hotmail account for 2 years and have never had a problem with
it...Pennie


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>Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:37:19 -0500
>
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>
>Hotmail has been buggy since its creation (1996?). It's notorious for
>crashing. All of the Web-based e-mail services have problems, but Hotmail's
>historically been about the worst, perhaps because they've been around
>longer and have more experience at screwing up. And I can't say that
>Hotmail
>has improved noticeably since Microsquish took them over.
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Re: [CTRL] Let Them Eat Bush

1999-12-27 Thread pennie hammons

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>
>pennie hammons wrote:
> >
> >  -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > >
> > >Is that the same as " carpet munching, and muff diving?"
> > >
> > >Joshua2
> > >
> >
> > Joshua, you are such a cunning linguist!
>
>OK. Now that you've flattered me, you're really in for it.
>Try this one...
>
>What's the difference between a circus and a whorehouse?
>
>Joshua2
>
Um, the sex is better with the Bearded Woman?


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Re: [CTRL] Let Them Eat Bush

1999-12-26 Thread pennie hammons

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>
>Is that the same as " carpet munching, and muff diving?"
>
>Joshua2
>

Joshua, you are such a cunning linguist!


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Re: [CTRL] Pyramid millenium ceremony details

1999-12-21 Thread pennie hammons

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I have a theory: There never was a capstone on the Great Pyramid. It was
never finished because it is the Tower of Babel. Zech 5-translate it from
the Hebrew. 


>From: Nicky Molloy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Subject: [CTRL] Pyramid millenium ceremony details
>Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:03:30 +1300
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
>"Watching closely the developments in Egypt are many modern worshippers of
>Osiris, such as the Skull & Bones initiates of the George Bush family.
>George Bush, Jr., the Governor of Texas, coincidentally announced his
>candidacy for President the same day as the TV-staged discovery of the tomb
>of Osiris, while George Bush Sr. plans to be at the Egyptian pyramids on
>New
>Year's Eve 1999. William Cooper's book, Behold a Pale Horse, mentions this
>Millennial New Years Eve event on p. 73:
>
>"Simultaneously a vault containing the ancient records of the earth will be
>opened in Egypt. The opening of the vault will usher in the millennium. A
>great celebration has already been planned by the Millennium Society to
>take
>place at the pyramids in Egypt. According to the January 3, 1989, edition
>of
>the Arizona Daily Star, 'President-elect Bush is spending this New Year's
>holiday at Camp David, Maryland, but in 10 years he may be in Egypt.
>Organizers of the Millennium Society say he's already committed to ushering
>in the next century at the Great Pyramid of Cheops in Giza.'"
>
>
>http://watch.pair.com/dolphin.html
>For links.
>
>
>Lambert Dolphin  & The Great Sphinx
>
>
>
>On March 2, 1999, the Fox Channel TV featured a special two-hour program on
>the opening of the sealed tombs of the Unknown and the Queen's Pyramid at
>Giza in Egypt. The live broadcast presented information on the search for
>the Hall of Records at the Great Sphinx, which supposedly contains the
>records of the lost civilization of Atlantis. With feigned surprise, Dr.
>Zahi Hawass, Director of the Egyptian Antiquity Organization, found instead
>the tomb of the Egyptian god, Osiris!
>
>This TV special was extremely relevant to our research as part of the
>inculturation of society into the mythology of the god Osiris and the
>Gnostic religious system which will seek to supplant orthodox Christianity
>at the turn of the Millennium.
>
>Those who have read the Cosmic Christmas report and/or have been on the
>mailing list for some time would have recognized the program as a
>continuation of the ongoing New Age attempt to validate the ancient mystery
>religions and return mankind to the worship of Osiris, reincarnated in his
>son, Horus. The mystery religions, aka Mystery Babylon of Revelation 17,
>worship Horus in various forms, i.e., Freemasons worship the Egyptian
>Osiris/Horus and Kabbalists worship this same god by the Chaldean name of
>Tammuz (Ezekiel 8:13). Alexander Hislop wrote in The Two Babylons:
>
>"The identity of Nimrod, however, and the Egyptian, Osiris, having been
>established, we have thereby light as to Nimrod's death. Osiris met with a
>violent death, and that violent death of Osiris was the central theme of
>the
>whole idolatry of Egypt. If Osiris was Nimrod, as we have seen, that
>violent
>death which the Egyptians so pathetically deplored in their annual
>festivals
>was just the death of Nimrod. The accounts in regard to the death of the
>god
>worshipped in the several mysteries of the different countries are all to
>the same effect. A statement of Plato seems to show, that in his day the
>Egyptian Osiris was regarded as identical to Tammuz; and Tammuz is well
>known to have been the same as Adonis, the famous Huntsman, for whose death
>Venus is fabled to have made such bitter lamentations. As the women of
>Egypt
>wept for Osiris, as the Phenician and Assyrian women wept for Tammuz, so in
>Greece and Rome the women wept for Bacchus, whose name, as we have seen,
>means 'The bewailed,' or 'Lamented one.'" (p. 56)
>
>Watching closely the developments in Egypt are many modern worshippers of
>Osiris, such as the Skull & Bones initiates of the George Bush family.
>George Bush, Jr., the Governor of Texas, coincidentally announced his
>candidacy for President the same day as the TV-staged discovery of the tomb
>of Osiris, while George Bush Sr. plans to be at the Egyptian pyramids on
>New
>Year's Eve 1999. William Cooper's book, Behold a Pale Horse, mentions this
>Millennial New Years Eve event on p. 73:
>
>"Simultaneously a vault containing the ancient records of the earth will be
>opened in Egypt. The opening of the vault will usher in the millennium. A
>great celebration has already been planned by the Millennium Society to
>take
>place at the pyramids in Egypt. According to the January 3, 1989, edition
>of
>the Arizona Daily Star, 'President-elect Bush is spending this New Year's
>holiday at Camp David, Maryland, but in 10 years he may be in Egypt.
>Organizers of the Millennium Society say he's already committe

Re: [CTRL] rapist's legacy is in the Ford Building

1999-12-20 Thread pennie hammons

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Hey, that's REALLY beautiful! When did we start accepting this kind of
racist hate on CTRL? Pennie

bard opines:
>Note:  All the femmes, homos, jews, corrupt big-labor, illegals, blacks
>and other ignorant minorities should ask the question:
>Did we achieve our goals by the election of the rapist??
>Your greed for power over the law-abiding, moral people of our Nation
>will not go unchecked;  the day of reckoning will occur at either the
>Ballot Box or by use of the Powder Box.
>Warning:  Any insidious attempt to remove defensive firearms from
>the populace will be met with the election defeat of the gun control
>lackeys,
>and the above supporters of the rapist will once
>again be forced back into their bottomless pit from whence they came.
>And if for some reason the ilk of the schumers, etc. overcome
>defeat then you scum had better start buying some weapons yourselves.
>I clean my weapons often to ensure effective use against the dregs of
>society
>which the above have spawned by their socialist policies.
>Any doped crazed bugger who attempts unlawful entry to my castle
>will cease to exist, nor will I consider it a sin to take
>Pride in his/her demise.
>
>
>
>Bard
>http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm
>
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Re: [CTRL] Zipped File-Report To Pres. And Congress Re:Terrorism and ...

1999-12-20 Thread pennie hammons

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Bill, if it's a new virus, McAffee isn't going to detect it. Do you have the
URL?


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>and ...
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>
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>
>In a message dated 12/19/99 6:51:10 PM Central Standard Time,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
><< After I got Tenorlove's message I ran McAfeee and there was nothing
>detected.
>  Hm, what's up I wonder? >>
>
>I'm certain it's virus-free...
>Bill.
>
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Re: [CTRL] Doomsday Prophets To Be Letdown?

1999-12-11 Thread pennie hammons

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>Let's get y2k over with and move on.  We're all going to be here,  and life
>goes on,  just as it always has.  The sun will still rise in the east,  and
>will set in the west.
>
>eagle 1
>
Hey, Eagle 1! You sound suspiciously like those Peter mentions in
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Re: [CTRL] Tesla a Nicolaitane

1999-11-16 Thread pennie hammons

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Terry,
No problem.
Love, Pennie


>From: Terry Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [CTRL] Tesla a Nicolaitane
>Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:20:09 -0500
>
>Pennie,
>Sorry, so sorry.
>I am in the process of being dumbed down at work.  I guess I need a
>containment policy.  It never occurred to me because of the type of posts
>JAH usually does.
>Please accept my apologies.
>Peace,
>Terry
>
>- Original Message -
>   From: pennie hammons
>   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 1:46 PM
>   Subject: Re: [CTRL] Tesla a Nicolaitane
>
>
>   -Caveat Lector-
>
>   Terry, I was being sarcastic! Pennie
>
>
>   >From: Terry Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   >Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   >Subject: [CTRL] Tesla a Nicolaitane
>   >Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 06:37:46 -0500
>   >
>   >Pennie,
>   >
>   >For you to hold that the Greek word Nikolaitians could refer to Tesla
>is
>   >totally ludicrous.  Why don't YOU stop "forcing your misinterpretations
>of
>   >the Bible on us".  And from your included quote, all Jah did was recite
>   >what the Bible said.
>   >
>   >Nikolaites, Greek 3531, Strong's
>   >
>   >Nikolaites, nik-ol-ah-ee'-tace; from Greek 3532 (Nikolaos); a
>Nicolaïte,
>   >i.e. adherent of Nicolau`s :- Nicolaitane.
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >Nikolaos, Greek 3532, Strong's
>   >
>   >Nikolaos, nik-ol'-ah-os; from Greek 3534 (nikos) and Greek 2994
>   >(Laodikeus); victorious over the people; Nicolau`s, a heretic :-
>Nicolaus.
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >nikos, Greek 3534, Strong's
>   >
>   >nikos, nee'-kos; from Greek 3529 (nike); a conquest (concrete), i.e.
>(by
>   >implication) triumph :- victory.
>   >
>   >nike, nee'-kay; apparently a primary word; conquest (abstract), i.e.
>   >(figurative) the means of success :- victory.
>   >
>   >===
>   >
>   >Followers of Nicolaus, a heretic. They are thought to have been a sect
>of
>   >Gnostics who practiced and taught impure and immoral doctrines, such as
>the
>   >community of wives, that committing adultery and fornication was not
>   >sinful, and that eating meats offered to idols was lawful. This was
>similar
>   >to the doctrines of Balaam and Jezebel of Thyatira (Rev. 2:6,14-15,20).
>   >
>   >
>   >   - Original Message -
>   >   From: pennie hammons
>   >   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   >   Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 3:10 AM
>   >   Subject: Re: [CTRL] Santa Claus. Christ hates xmas
>   >
>   >
>   >   -Caveat Lector-
>   >
>   >   Jah,
>   >The Greek word is Nikolaitians which in my opinion could refer
>to
>   >the
>   >   Nikola Tesla's patents that were used to build the HAARP and the
>   >Soviets'
>   >   Woodpecker. Christ hates mind control. Or maybe even Nikolai Lenin
>the
>   >   creator of oppresive communism. Or Jack Nicholas? Golf is an evil
>   >thing
>   >   YOU don't know what it means, anymore than the rest of us do. It's
>all
>   >just
>   >   speculation. But I do know this: "One man considers one day more
>sacred
>   >than
>   >   another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be
>fully
>   >   convinced in his own mind. He who regards one day as special, does
>so to
>   >the
>   >   Lord." Romans 14:5-6
>   >   I celebrate Christmas as a celebration of the birth of Jesus, not
>for
>   >some
>   >   pagan god I know nothing about; therefore it IS holy, no matter what
>day
>   >He
>   >   was actually born. Stop forcing your misinterpretations of the Bible
>on
>   >us.
>   >   Peace be on YOU! Pennie
>   >   >
>   >   >Jah wrote:
>   >   > >Christ says he HATES, in the Holy Bible, in Apocalypse/Revelation
>   >2:6,
>   >   > >15, where the Nicolaitanes, whose doctrine Christ hates, are the
>   >   > >followers of Santa (Ni)-Claus,
>   >   >
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Re: [CTRL] Tesla a Nicolaitane

1999-11-16 Thread pennie hammons

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Terry, I was being sarcastic! Pennie


>From: Terry Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [CTRL] Tesla a Nicolaitane
>Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 06:37:46 -0500
>
>Pennie,
>
>For you to hold that the Greek word Nikolaitians could refer to Tesla is
>totally ludicrous.  Why don't YOU stop "forcing your misinterpretations of
>the Bible on us".  And from your included quote, all Jah did was recite
>what the Bible said.
>
>Nikolaites, Greek 3531, Strong's
>
>Nikolaites, nik-ol-ah-ee'-tace; from Greek 3532 (Nikolaos); a Nicolaïte,
>i.e. adherent of Nicolau`s :- Nicolaitane.
>
>
>
>Nikolaos, Greek 3532, Strong's
>
>Nikolaos, nik-ol'-ah-os; from Greek 3534 (nikos) and Greek 2994
>(Laodikeus); victorious over the people; Nicolau`s, a heretic :- Nicolaus.
>
>
>
>nikos, Greek 3534, Strong's
>
>nikos, nee'-kos; from Greek 3529 (nike); a conquest (concrete), i.e. (by
>implication) triumph :- victory.
>
>nike, nee'-kay; apparently a primary word; conquest (abstract), i.e.
>(figurative) the means of success :- victory.
>
>===
>
>Followers of Nicolaus, a heretic. They are thought to have been a sect of
>Gnostics who practiced and taught impure and immoral doctrines, such as the
>community of wives, that committing adultery and fornication was not
>sinful, and that eating meats offered to idols was lawful. This was similar
>to the doctrines of Balaam and Jezebel of Thyatira (Rev. 2:6,14-15,20).
>
>
>   - Original Message -
>   From: pennie hammons
>   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 3:10 AM
>   Subject: Re: [CTRL] Santa Claus. Christ hates xmas
>
>
>   -Caveat Lector-
>
>   Jah,
>The Greek word is Nikolaitians which in my opinion could refer to
>the
>   Nikola Tesla's patents that were used to build the HAARP and the
>Soviets'
>   Woodpecker. Christ hates mind control. Or maybe even Nikolai Lenin the
>   creator of oppresive communism. Or Jack Nicholas? Golf is an evil
>thing
>   YOU don't know what it means, anymore than the rest of us do. It's all
>just
>   speculation. But I do know this: "One man considers one day more sacred
>than
>   another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully
>   convinced in his own mind. He who regards one day as special, does so to
>the
>   Lord." Romans 14:5-6
>   I celebrate Christmas as a celebration of the birth of Jesus, not for
>some
>   pagan god I know nothing about; therefore it IS holy, no matter what day
>He
>   was actually born. Stop forcing your misinterpretations of the Bible on
>us.
>   Peace be on YOU! Pennie
>   >
>   >Jah wrote:
>   > >Christ says he HATES, in the Holy Bible, in Apocalypse/Revelation
>2:6,
>   > >15, where the Nicolaitanes, whose doctrine Christ hates, are the
>   > >followers of Santa (Ni)-Claus,
>   >
>
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Re: [CTRL] Santa Claus. Christ hates xmas

1999-11-16 Thread pennie hammons

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Jah,
 The Greek word is Nikolaitians which in my opinion could refer to the
Nikola Tesla's patents that were used to build the HAARP and the Soviets'
Woodpecker. Christ hates mind control. Or maybe even Nikolai Lenin the
creator of oppresive communism. Or Jack Nicholas? Golf is an evil thing
YOU don't know what it means, anymore than the rest of us do. It's all just
speculation. But I do know this: "One man considers one day more sacred than
another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully
convinced in his own mind. He who regards one day as special, does so to the
Lord." Romans 14:5-6
I celebrate Christmas as a celebration of the birth of Jesus, not for some
pagan god I know nothing about; therefore it IS holy, no matter what day He
was actually born. Stop forcing your misinterpretations of the Bible on us.
Peace be on YOU! Pennie
>
>Jah wrote:
> >Christ says he HATES, in the Holy Bible, in Apocalypse/Revelation 2:6,
> >15, where the Nicolaitanes, whose doctrine Christ hates, are the
> >followers of Santa (Ni)-Claus,
>

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Re: [CTRL] Biblebelievers Newsletter #095

1999-11-14 Thread pennie hammons

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The Greek word "thanatos" means literal death..."'And I, if I am lifted up
out of the earth, all men will draw to myself'; but this He said signifying
by what kind of DEATH(thanato) He was about to die." John 12:32-33
**
>
Under the Fourth Seal we see the rule of "Death" personified. As
>portrayed in the teaching series, World Depopulation and Slavery, this word
>death (Gk. thanatos) is not simply the physical death of the body but the
>spiritual death of the soul through sin (or unbelief in the revealed Word
>of
>God) that continues in a misery of ignorance and wretchedness. It is
>"Death"
>-- eternal separation -- as opposed to God's Own Life.
>

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Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)

1999-11-13 Thread pennie hammons

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Jah
So, you are saying that you are Elijah?
Pennie

>From: " JAH Publications" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Subject: Re: OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)
>Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 17:34:38 -
>
>Dear Pennie,
>
>Thank you for your nice compliment about my maturity.
>
>How would you know whether I have quoted the Scriptures out of context or
>not. You are doing it again. Claiming to be an expert on God, when it is
>quite obvious that you do not know what you are talking about. Have you not
>heard that: a little knowledge is a very dangerous thing.
>
>How would you know what God would and wouldn't do? You talk as though He
>would first need to consult you and ask you what He is allowed to do.
>Amazing really.
>
>The Ruler of The Universe has said quite clearly that The Ark and The
>Covenant containing His Laws is the one thing to save the world. Please
>read
>that Bible you boast about having and look at the last page of the Old
>Covenant/Testament, or click on JAH on my homepage, and read what it says
>in
>Malachi chapter 4 and you will see that it is not a sign, but a warning. I
>can assure you that He IS going to bring it out in His Own time, very soon;
>as soon as I get the permit to dig.
>
>I have not separated myself from God, as you wrongly state, because it is
>He
>who has sent me to recover it. Perhaps it would be a good idea for you to
>access The King of kings' Bible advert on my site, to be able to see that
>unlike you who only claims to read the whole Bible, I have compiled it with
>all the bits the governments conspired about and took out of it because
>they
>didn't want people to read them.
>
>If you really understood the Scriptures instead of just thinking that you
>do, then you would know that God had Jeremiah take The Ark away from the
>Jews in 588 B.C. and give it to the "Lost" Ten Tribed House of Israel, in
>exile. All of which is explained in detail on my website at:-
>http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/
>
>If you access the Jeremiah's Tomb article and follow the links then you
>should be able to see that you are wrong and learn the truth. However,
>there
>are none so blind as those who refuse to see. So, I just hope that you can
>calm down; open your eyes and your mind and see and recognise the truth on
>my website.
>
>Thank you for your kind wishes of good luck, but in my experience there is
>no such thing as luck and I don't need to dig up all of Ireland; only a
>tiny
>area of grass measuring 2 metres by 2 metres, because I know exactly where
>it is. All I am waiting for is the permit to dig, so I won't be breaking
>Irish law.
>
>Thank you also for your friendly tip about not touching The Ark, but you
>see
>I have to touch it and open it in order to show The Tablets and Scrolls
>(The
>Torah) to the world as it says in Malachi 4. How else could the whole world
>be reminded to return to God's Laws, all at once, just before the Last Day?
>
>If you really want to prove me wrong then help me to get the permit to dig
>that I have asked everyone to help with and then I can touch it and if I'm
>wrong I will die. But I can assure you that I will be perfectly safe,
>because it is my job.
>
>I will not be the least bit offended if you don't kiss my bottom and anyone
>reading your messages and my messages will have no doubt in their mind as
>to
>which one of us is being neurotic. If you think I'm an idiot, then people
>can read what is on my site and make their own minds up about that too, and
>hopefully they will, as many have already and complimented me on it.
>
>
>I'm sorry that you don't like it. It is not meant to offend anyone, but
>unfortunately the truth often has that effect on some people.
>
>Peace be upon you,
>
>JAH.
>
>
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: pennie hammons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Friday, November 12, 1999 11:08 PM
>Subject: Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)
>
>
> > Wow, your maturity level is stunning. Your postings speak for
>themselves.
> > Did you purposefully capitalize the word "messenger" because you think
>you
> > are a divine entity? Please say it was a typo!
> > You have quoted scripture out of context to prove any point you wish. I
>do
> > not need a website to publicize every concept I might have about God, I
>have
> > the Bible to refer to for the truth (the WHOLE Bible, not just the parts
&

Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)

1999-11-13 Thread pennie hammons
shineth even unto
>the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
>Matthew 24:23-27
>
>It's simply saying that until the true Christ appears,  and as long as you
>are in the flesh body, you are not going to possess, nor see the things of
>God.
>
>Pennie implicated false prophet, false information was being spread...
>I have to agree.
>
>Keep up the good work Pennie!  Uncovering the sugar coated lies of satan,
>is
>what business of our Father's we are to be at.  Thanks for this expose`.
>
>eagle 1
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: JAH Publications <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Saturday, November 13, 1999 11:34 AM
>Subject: Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)
>
>
> > -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > Dear Pennie,
> >
> > Thank you for your nice compliment about my maturity.
> >
> > How would you know whether I have quoted the Scriptures out of context
>or
> > not. You are doing it again. Claiming to be an expert on God, when it is
> > quite obvious that you do not know what you are talking about. Have you
>not
> > heard that: a little knowledge is a very dangerous thing.
> >
> > How would you know what God would and wouldn't do? You talk as though He
> > would first need to consult you and ask you what He is allowed to do.
> > Amazing really.
> >
> > The Ruler of The Universe has said quite clearly that The Ark and The
> > Covenant containing His Laws is the one thing to save the world. Please
>read
> > that Bible you boast about having and look at the last page of the Old
> > Covenant/Testament, or click on JAH on my homepage, and read what it
>says
>in
> > Malachi chapter 4 and you will see that it is not a sign, but a warning.
>I
> > can assure you that He IS going to bring it out in His Own time, very
>soon;
> > as soon as I get the permit to dig.
> >
> > I have not separated myself from God, as you wrongly state, because it
>is
>He
> > who has sent me to recover it. Perhaps it would be a good idea for you
>to
> > access The King of kings' Bible advert on my site, to be able to see
>that
> > unlike you who only claims to read the whole Bible, I have compiled it
>with
> > all the bits the governments conspired about and took out of it because
>they
> > didn't want people to read them.
> >
> > If you really understood the Scriptures instead of just thinking that
>you
> > do, then you would know that God had Jeremiah take The Ark away from the
> > Jews in 588 B.C. and give it to the "Lost" Ten Tribed House of Israel,
>in
> > exile. All of which is explained in detail on my website at:-
> > http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/
> >
> > If you access the Jeremiah's Tomb article and follow the links then you
> > should be able to see that you are wrong and learn the truth. However,
>there
> > are none so blind as those who refuse to see. So, I just hope that you
>can
> > calm down; open your eyes and your mind and see and recognise the truth
>on
> > my website.
> >
> > Thank you for your kind wishes of good luck, but in my experience there
>is
> > no such thing as luck and I don't need to dig up all of Ireland; only a
>tiny
> > area of grass measuring 2 metres by 2 metres, because I know exactly
>where
> > it is. All I am waiting for is the permit to dig, so I won't be breaking
> > Irish law.
> >
> > Thank you also for your friendly tip about not touching The Ark, but you
>see
> > I have to touch it and open it in order to show The Tablets and Scrolls
>(The
> > Torah) to the world as it says in Malachi 4. How else could the whole
>world
> > be reminded to return to God's Laws, all at once, just before the Last
>Day?
> >
> > If you really want to prove me wrong then help me to get the permit to
>dig
> > that I have asked everyone to help with and then I can touch it and if
>I'm
> > wrong I will die. But I can assure you that I will be perfectly safe,
> > because it is my job.
> >
> > I will not be the least bit offended if you don't kiss my bottom and
>anyone
> > reading your messages and my messages will have no doubt in their mind
>as
>to
> > which one of us is being neurotic. If you think I'm an idiot, then
>people
> > can read what is on my site and make their own minds up about that too,
>and
> > hopefully they will, as many have already and complimented me on it.
> >
> >
> > I'm sorry that you don't li

[CTRL] Donate Food for Free-Feed the Hungry

1999-11-12 Thread pennie hammons

 -Caveat Lector-

I put this as my start-up page so I can click on the "donate food" button
each day. It is such a simple way to give a little help.

http://www.thehungersite.com/index.html">Click here: The Hunger
Site Home - Donate Food for Free to Give to Feed Hungry People in the
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Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)

1999-11-12 Thread pennie hammons
>is:-
>http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/
>
>If only one person in 6,000,000,000 appreciates and is helped by my site,
>it will make all the time; effort and the few insults worthwhile. However I
>have already had word from a lot more than one person who absolutely love
>it, so things ARE really worthwhile.
>
>
>Peace be upon you, and your boyfriend Joshua2
>
>JAH.
>
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: pennie hammons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 6:55 PM
>Subject: Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)
>
>
> > -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > "JAH" is a false prophet. Anyone who thinks God flies around in a UFO
>has
> > belittled God. God created the universe and life. Does He really need a
> > space craft to carry Him around? The concept is ridiculous. jah likes to
> > hear himself talk, he has interpreted the scriptures accurately in some
> > places, but doesn't have a full understanding of Christ. A truly loving
> > being doesn't say "I can understand why your wife left you" when
>criticized.
> >
> >
> > >From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)
> > >Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:37:33 -0300
> > >
> > >  -Caveat Lector-
> > >
> > >On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 03:14:29 -0700, MICHAEL SPITZER wrote:
> > >
> > > >P.S. Don't let those chumps that have been rude towars your
> > > >message over the last 36 hours discourage you AT ALLi.e.,
> > > >TIME IS SHORT, and you just gotta stay with those spirits THAT
> > > >ARE ABLE TO _HEAR_ YOUR UNIQUE INSIGHTS, i.e., there ain't no way
> > > >time enough to waste even replying to ppl that CAN'T HEAR!!
> > >
> > >I agree, Mike! The site of our friend JAH is very interesting.
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)

1999-11-11 Thread pennie hammons

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"JAH" is a false prophet. Anyone who thinks God flies around in a UFO has
belittled God. God created the universe and life. Does He really need a
space craft to carry Him around? The concept is ridiculous. jah likes to
hear himself talk, he has interpreted the scriptures accurately in some
places, but doesn't have a full understanding of Christ. A truly loving
being doesn't say "I can understand why your wife left you" when criticized.


>From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)
>Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 13:37:33 -0300
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
>On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 03:14:29 -0700, MICHAEL SPITZER wrote:
>
> >P.S. Don't let those chumps that have been rude towars your
> >message over the last 36 hours discourage you AT ALLi.e.,
> >TIME IS SHORT, and you just gotta stay with those spirits THAT
> >ARE ABLE TO _HEAR_ YOUR UNIQUE INSIGHTS, i.e., there ain't no way
> >time enough to waste even replying to ppl that CAN'T HEAR!!
>
>I agree, Mike! The site of our friend JAH is very interesting.
>
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Re: [CTRL] A Message From Steve Forbes...and a reply.

1999-10-28 Thread pennie hammons

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Forbes is right on target about the crisis our country is in. If we refuse
to learn where he stands and get behind him, what are we all bitching about?
Here is an honest candidate with the desire and power to change the things
we hate, and somehow he's not even the front runner. Shame on us!
Die Pat, die!


>From: Franklin Wayne Poley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [CTRL] A Message From Steve Forbes...and a reply.
>Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:27:11 -0700
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Thursday, October 28, 1999 3:58 PM
>Subject: A Message From Steve Forbes
>
>
> >
> >
> >Steve Forbes asked me to forward the message below to you personally.
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>And here is my personal reply. I HAVE HAD MORE POLITICAL CRAP FROM BOTH
>SIDES OF THE BORDER THAN I DESERVE TO GET IN A THOUSAND LIFETIMES.
>And you, Steve are a Crapmeister par excellence. Where is that "first
>Internet campaign" you boasted about? If you wanted an Internet campaign
>you
>would have set up an email list/discussion and answered some honest
>questions. Here's one-You talked about restoring America to a "shining city
>on a hill". So let's put the useless metaphor aside. A city is a city. What
>would a MODEL CITY be like with you as President? Suppose one were built
>anew, like Jubail, Saudi Arabia or New Bombay (Navi Mumbai), India, or the
>proposed new cities of Anandapour, Punjab and Subia, Kuwait and Cyberjaya,
>Malaysia. What would it be like? If you can't tell us about one city in
>America which would solve the presenting problems I don't see why anyone
>should trust you with the whole country.
>FWP.
>
> >---
> >
> >A while back you provided my campaign with your email address so we
> >could contact you with important campaign information.  Well, this is
> >important.  Now is the time to shift this campaign into a higher gear
> >and I need your help.
> >
> >With Elizabeth Dole dropping out of the race, the choice for President
> >is now more clear than ever.  I'm the only conservative who can take on
> >George W. Bush in every state and win the Republican presidential
> >nomination.
> >
> >Just this week, I've received endorsements from many leading
> >conservatives, including Darrell Kearney (formerly Elizabeth Dole's Iowa
> >campaign chairman), Lyn Nofziger (formerly national co-chairman of
> >Buchanan for President), and Bruce Herschensohn (a leading California
> >conservative).  My strong second place finish in the Iowa GOP straw
> >poll, my third place and rising position in New Hampshire, and George W.
> >Bush falling under 40% in early primary and caucus states show that the
> >momentum is shifting in our favor.
> >
> >As more and more voters focus on the presidential race, they see that
> >there is very little difference between Governor Bush's approach and the
> >big government programs of Bill Bradley and Al Gore.  They are all
> >business-as-usual politicians.  That's why Bush's lead against Bill
> >Bradley and even Al Gore is fading away -- to single digits in the most
> >recent national polls.
> >
> >We can't afford a third "Clinton" administration, which is why we must
> >defeat Al Gore and Bill Bradley -- two dyed-in-the-wool big government
> >liberals.  But to do so, we need to nominate a true conservative with a
> >bold, principled, meaningful agenda.
> >
> >Here's how you can help me win this race:
> >
> >1)  Forward this email to at least three friends who agree with us and
> >who might also help, and 2)  Make a financial contribution to our cause.
> >Just go to http://www.forbes2000.com/htmlpages/contribute.html and you
>can
> >make a secure on-line donation.
> >
> >Your financial support will help me go toe-to-toe with George W. Bush's
> >$60 million plus warchest (financed with special interest and lobbyist
> >money) and will send an important message to the media: this is more
> >than a one man mission; it is a nationwide grassroots movement.
> >
> >There's too much at stake to sit on the sidelines.  If we elect another
> >pro-big-government President, we will never see:
> >
> >>> The end of the IRS as we know it;
> >
> >>> An honest, simple flat tax that's a real tax cut;
> >
> >>> Social Security protected for seniors and reformed for younger
> >   Americans so they will have the freedom to invest their payroll taxes
> >   in their own Personal Retirement Accounts;
> >
> >>> Freedom for all parents to choose schools that work and for teachers
>to
> >   create those schools; mothers given the freedom to choose doctors they
> >   trust for their own children, without being forced into government-
>run
> >   health care or heavy-handed HMOs; an end to partial birth abortions;
>an
> >   end to U.N. dominated foreign policy; or a firm commitment to
> >   anti-ba

Re: [CTRL] Black Sun

1999-10-17 Thread pennie hammons

 -Caveat Lector-

I noticed that all the people on the side of the pit are all wearing drab,
colorless clothing; but the three kids in the middle contain all the colors
of the rainbow. It looks like they are somehow the source of the rainbow...?
Or maybe the other way around, they are sapping the color from the rainbow?
That is just too weird. What kind of freaks would paint that on a wall where
children can see it? Not to mention all those people scared of dying in a
plane crash. What a comfort!


>From: drbongo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [CTRL] Black Sun
>Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 00:41:02 -0500
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
>any comments on that rainbow and where it comes from?
>
>
>robert
>
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Re: [CTRL] Murdered white Christian kids not newsworthy

1999-09-17 Thread pennie hammons

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Bill,
 I care! And if it involved your child you would care too. The fact that
Clinton will use this latest violent episode as areason for tighter gun
control is vile. Not one word from his repugnant lips about the increasing
evilness of man. That man was obviously demon-possessed for tearing up the
Bible in his home first, and his singling out of true worshippers of Christ.
Your cavalier attitude is a sad testimony of this country, the people of
which are so desensitized by violence, they don't give a sh*t about anyone
but themselves. And we wonder why this country is going all to hell.


>From: William Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [CTRL] Murdered white Christian kids not newsworthy
>Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:18:03 EDT
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
>In a message dated 9/16/99 7:50:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>writes:
>
><< It's a sad day in this country when the murder of
>  white Christian's isn't newsworthy. >>
>
>
>Oh relax there day...since this country, for better or worse, is majority
>X-tian and white the news can't carry on about every incident involving Joe
>and Jane Whitebread Christworshipperwho cares anyway?
>
>Bill.
>
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Re: [CTRL] FW: Oral Sex In Middle Schools ...

1999-09-12 Thread pennie hammons

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I agree with both of you. I can't imagine letting a virtual stranger teach
my children. Especially when we know that a lot of teachers have ulterior
motives for how they teach. My children are not yet old enough to go to
school, but I already know that I will homeschool them. My four-year old
knows math better than any 3rd-grader, and knows his way around a computer
better that I do. His pure, eager-to-learn mind is something I will not
allow to be perverted by our "schools". How far we have fallen when we have
to say such things about our childrens' learning facilities!

>From: Eagle 1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [CTRL] FW: Oral Sex In Middle Schools ...
>Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:00:56 -0500
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
>Hi Bob,
>You have a very good point... when you said,
> >>.  Unfortunately many parents do not have enough time  to spend with
>their
>children because they both have to work to make a living.<<
>
>It still,  however,  boils down to 'parental irresponsibility',  even with
>the NEA being a main factor of perversion in the public school system.
>(Run
>by the string pulling secret societies,  such as the one who lays claim to
>the scottish bretheren).  If parental REsponsibilty had been with a good
>foothold 30 years ago,  you would not have seen the acceleration of the
>NEA's agenda to stupify the generations since the early 60's and even
>before.
>
>I remain firm with the fact that if you can't "afford" the children,
>(here,
>I am not talking dollars),  then parent(s) shouldn't have had them.  This
>includes taking responsibility from the moment the parents said "I do",
>whether getting married or whether having consentual sex.  Parental
>responsibility comes BEFORE the child is ever thought about.  Earning a
>living and 'keeping up with the Joneses', is more important that what's
>being fed into our children's minds,  I suppose.   ???  Or maybe it's just
>too much trouble for some to lay time aside to find out what's really going
>on in the school system, and they in effect,  willingly hand over their
>parental rights to teachers that they probably don't know diddly about,
>never have met them,  nor do they have a clue what these teachers
>background
>histories contain.  But that's okay,  in this generation,  I suppose.  ???
>
>In this world of  "I have to have it all",  and "I have to have it all
>right
>now",  leaves little room for thoughtful consideration of what
>responsibilites there are with raising children...  ???   I suppose so,  in
>this generation.  And then there are considerations,  such as,  'Who ever
>dreamed that there would be such massive communications,  and PC's in
>nearly
>every home?'  Or who ever thought of lap tops on every desk at school?'
>Probably no one 10 - 20 years ago... Daniel does make mention of this
>generation... over 2,000 years ago,  see Daniel 12,  particularly verse 4.
>
>Compromises are usually always an option in life.  However,  compromising
>parental authority and responsibility should have never been an option.  As
>they say...  "Hindsight is always 20 / 20."   Now,  we shall reap the
>whirlwind of the generations who were dumbed down.  What do you suppose
>they
>will do with anyone over the age of 40 in the near future with innovative
>ideas to cut back on government spending,  and what they may consider a
>waste of time,  and waste of perfectly good occupational space?  Hm?
>Makes one think a bit,  doesn't it?
>
>This age of information and convenience has it's price.
>
>eagle 1
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: Bob Stokes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Saturday, September 11, 1999 10:58 PM
>Subject: Re: [CTRL] FW: Oral Sex In Middle Schools ...
>
>
> > -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > In a message dated 99-09-11 21:24:52 EDT, Eagle 1 writes:
> >
> > << TRY THE NEA!!!  THIS IS YOUR CULPRIT. >>
> >
> >  Television and movies contribute, but you are correct about the NEA
>and
> > their "education" agenda.  Unfortunately many parents do not have enough
>time
> > to spend with their children because they both have to work to make a
>living.
> >  Children are indoctrinated with the "Political Correct" agenda at an
>early
> > age.  Call it whatever you want, Socialism or Nazism, Hitler started
> > indoctrinating the youth of Germany to the point where they would "rat"
>on
> > their own parents.  When I was growing up there were few teachers I
>could
> > respect, but I never found any of my children's teachers to be deserving
>of
> > respect.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Bob Stokes
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Re: [CTRL] Luke Ford- JFK Jr. A Homo

1999-09-11 Thread pennie hammons

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I think that's the only reason Clinton wanted the job. That and total power
as world dictator! HA! Do you think there's any truth to the martial law
theory? I only give it credence in that I'm sure it's gone through his tiny
corrupt mind many times. What a dork he is. And you voted for him! Hahaha
I have gone to some of the sites you gave me. I'm not too big on alien
stuff; it's interesting, but all of the people who talk about it seriously
just sound like such weirdos. You're not an alien, are you? I don't want
them after me either...just kidding.
Pennie

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>Subject: Re: [CTRL] Luke Ford- JFK Jr. A Homo
>Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 08:35:16 EDT
>
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>
>In a message dated 9/11/99 12:04:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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><< Wow, Bill, you have 3 things in common with Clinton! You both have the
>same
>  first name, you both are liberals and you both have the hots for Elanor
>  Mondale! Except he has screwed her! Don't you wish YOU could be
>president? >>
>
>Well Pennie, since you put it THAT way...I DO wish I could be
>president...or
>at LEAST get to know Elenor Mondale a bit better!! Perks of the job???
>
>Bill.
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Re: [CTRL] Luke Ford- JFK Jr. A Homo

1999-09-10 Thread pennie hammons

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Wow, Bill, you have 3 things in common with Clinton! You both have the same
first name, you both are liberals and you both have the hots for Elanor
Mondale! Except he has screwed her! Don't you wish YOU could be president?


>From: William Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Subject: Re: [CTRL] Luke Ford- JFK Jr. A Homo
>Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:07:00 EDT
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
>In a message dated 9/10/99 6:51:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
><< > William Shannon wrote:
>  >
>  > >  -Caveat Lector-
>  > >
>  > > How is JFK Jr like a penguin? Both are cute but can't fly. >>
>
>
>Hey!!! Wait a minute here...I DIDN'T write the above quote...just forwarded
>it! I'M "cute"...ask my wife! JFKjr. cute?? Not unless you like looking at
>fishfood...I prefer looking at Elenor Mondale...SHE'S CUTE!
>
>Bill.
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Re: [CTRL] What's wrong with this Nation that WE tolerate all this?[Hell!]

1999-09-10 Thread pennie hammons

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AMEN!


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>Subject: [CTRL] What's wrong with this Nation that WE tolerate all
> this?[Hell!]
>Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:43:25 -0700
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
>Brothers and Sisters,  The corruption, lies, deceits, whoring is so great
>no wonder the Parents of our children find it necessary to dope them up.
>We cannot continue this way!
>You know it and I know it.
>Are you Parents, who I assume vote, so far removed from what is happening,
>have no shame as to what is Right and what is Wrong.
>Your past voting records has brought this wrath upon us.
>Have you no moral, self-responsibility, for ensuring that your young
>develop into mature people with a sense of right and wrong;  their
>whole future is at stake.  And woe to you who have brought it all about.
>Major change MUST occur in 11/2000;  and I don't mean returning
>those thugs to public office (federal, state, country, and local).
>
>If the choice is Al Gore or George W., there is really no choice at all.
>The
>first will take you to hell in the fast lane, the other will take you there
>in the slow lane. Either way, your destination is the same -- you're still
>on the highway to hell.
>
>Regards,
>
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[CTRL] CRTL-Natural Gas Found Offshore at Gaza

1999-09-10 Thread pennie hammons

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Natural gas source found off coast of Gaza Strip
Copyright © 1999 Nando Media
Copyright © 1999 Associated Press



>From Time to Time: Nando's in-depth look at the 20th century



By RANDOLPH E. SCHMID

WASHINGTON (September 9, 1999 6:30 p.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) - An
explorer searching for ancient shipwrecks found a large undersea field
seeping natural gas off the coast of the Gaza Strip and Egypt.

The discovery by marine geologist Robert Ballard was announced Thursday by
the National Geographic Society, which sponsored his research.

In June, a natural gas reservoir was found undersea off the Israeli city of
Ashdod, north of Gaza, estimated to be able to produce 30 million cubic feet
of gas per day.

Ballard's discovery indicates the gas field extends south, along the full
length of the Gaza Strip and the coast of Egypt.

"That was just one hole," Ballard said of the Ashdod well. "If you were to
exploit this field you would have many rigs ... so clearly it's sizable."

But politics could complicate development of the field's natural gas.

The Gaza Strip, along the coast of southern Israel adjacent to the border
with Egypt, is jointly administered by Israel and the Palestinian Authority.

Ballard said he has not been in touch with either the Israeli or Palestinian
officials about the find, but is confident both know of it because an
Israeli observer was on board his research vessel, along with Palestinian
crew members.

Moshe Friedman, spokesman for the Israeli Infrastructure Ministry, said
Thursday that he had not heard of the natural gas fields and would not be
able to comment without more details.

On the same research trip, Ballard also located the wrecks of two ancient
Phoenician ships, the oldest vessels ever discovered in the deep sea, dating
from about 750 B.C. It was that search that led to the gas discovery, he
explained.

"It turned out that the Phoenician ships have a particular sonar signature,"
Ballard explained. "We were using sonar to get what we call an acoustic
signature and ran around the ships at different angles."

He said they would find a depression in the sea floor and something hard
within the depression - the hard object turned out to be the ships.

After the researchers finished their work on the Phoenician ships, they
steamed along the coast to look for other sunken vessels.

The sonar detected what appeared to be hundreds of ships.

"We said, 'That can't be true,"' Ballard recalled. "So we sent the Jason
vehicle down, which can actually see, and in these depressions were deposits
caused by seepage coming in contact with ocean and rising from deposits was
gas. I realized what we had found because I'm a geologist," Ballard said.

"The bubbles expanded in size as they rose toward the surface of the sea,"
he added.

The long narrow depressions were probably associated with cracks in the
earth that create a way for the gas to escape from underground reservoirs,
he said.

Ballard also reported finding concentrations of tube worms and beds of clams
surrounding the vents. These were similar to those he found surrounding
hydrothermal vents near the Galapagos Islands in the Pacific, he said.

The Galapagos worms marked the first discovery of living things that used
chemical energy rather that relying on the sun for energy.

Ballard, president of the Institute for Exploration in Mystic, Conn., is a
longtime ocean explorer, probably best known for locating the wreck of the
Titanic in the cold, dark waters of the North Atlantic.

In addition to the National Geographic Society and his Institute for
Exploration, Ballard's research off the Israeli coast was sponsored by the
Office of Naval Research, the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute and Leon
Levy Expeditions.






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Re: [CTRL] Fw: Israel Update -

1999-09-09 Thread pennie hammons

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All of this talk about rebuilding the temple; I believe that the temple
refered to in Rev., Ezek, and Daniel is the Body of Christ. Didn't Jesus
tell us that Himself? (John 2:19}
I also believe that the 7 years in Dan 9:27 is a two-part prophecy: 3&1/2
years of Jesus' Testimony (after the 62 "sevens" which began with the return
to Jerusalem from Babylon) and then His death and resurrection; thus putting
an end to sacrifice and offering by the sacrifice of Himself. The final
3&1/2 years (after the 7 "sevens" which began when the Jews returned and got
Jerusalem back?) is the 1260 days mentioned in Revelations. I feel that we
don't have to see a real temple built to fulfill prophecy.

>From: earthman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [CTRL] Fw: Israel Update -
>Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:25:47 +1200
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
>A few interesting points here.including where the Arc of the covenant
>(Government?) is
>the three precious gifts ,and Red Heifer 19
>Peter
>
>
>
>We are about to go on a Journey. All Aboard
>http://sites.netscape.net/gsussnzl/homepage
>- Original Message -
>From: Koenig's International News <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 11:15 PM
>Subject: Israel Update - Corrected
>
>
>Note from Bill Koenig:
>
>Three weeks ago my step-sister, who works for a major airline,
>blessed my father and me with round-trip airline tickets to Israel.
>
>During our trip I had the opportunity to look into some areas of
>great interest to many Christians; status of the land on the Temple
>Mount;  the Temple Mount water;  the Ark of the Covenant;  the red
>heifer of Numbers 19;  the Third Temple vessels and items;  the
>Third Temple cornerstone;  and the reported Elijah sighting.
>
>Below are thoughts, observations, information and links for your
>review.
>
>I have also provided additional information on the status of the
>peace talks, some of this information was shared with you this
>weekend.
>
>
>
>STATUS OF THE LAND ON THE TEMPLE MOUNT
>
>Below is an excerpt and link to a Reuters article entitled "Jordan
>Says Ready To Cede Jerusalem Sites."
>
>The article states the responsibility for the Arab Mosques on the
>Temple Mount is being turned over to the Palestinians by the
>Jordanians. This is significant because this should make the land
>on the Temple Mount available for the final status talks with
>Israel, whether publicly or behind the scenes.
>
>Furthermore, the Shas political party wants land on the Temple
>Mount for construction of the Third Temple. The Shas are also an
>important part of Israeli Prime Minister Barak's peace coalition.
>So for Barak to continue receiving their cooperation and vote, land
>on the Temple Mount will likely become part of the negotiations.
>
>There are some who believe the Vatican is actively involved in
>behind the scenes discussions on the status of Temple Mount.  We
>have observed that everytime PLA Chairman Yasser Arafat signs an
>agreement with Israel he heads to the Vatican to meet with the Pope
>within 24 hours. These meetings have happened at least three times
>in the last four and a half years. And has had at least an
>additional three meetings with the Pope in the last six years.
>These meetings and the relationship between the Pope and Arafat are
>of much interest.
>
>The Vatican has also been outspoken about the status of Jerusalem.
>The believe it should be the capital of the Jews, the Christians
>and the Arabs. Israel does not agree and said they will not share
>it with anybody.
>
>Jordan Says Ready To Cede Jerusalem Sites
>http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/19990830/wl/mideast_jerusalem_2.html
>
>Jordan is ready to relinquish its religious authority over Muslim
>holy sites in Jerusalem to the Palestinian Authority, Jordanian
>Prime Minister Abdul-Raouf al-Rawabdeh has said.
>
>  ``If our Palestinian brothers want to take over this
>responsibility, Jordan is willing to cede this responsibility to
>them,'' Rawabdeh said in an interview broadcast Sunday night by the
>Saudi-owned radio station Middle East Broadcasting Center.
>
>  ``We are part of our Arab and Muslim nation. Our interest in
>Jerusalem is because we are part of this nation and we are not an
>alternative to our Palestinian brothers,'' he said.
>
>Jordan has in the past said it would hand over the authority to
>Palestinians once final status talks between the Palestinians and
>Israel are completed. Rawabdeh made no reference to the final
>status talk.
>
>*
>
>TEMPLE MOUNT WATER
>
>Zechariah 14:8
>And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from
>Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them
>toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be. (KJV)
>
>Ezekiel 47:1
>Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house; and,
>behold, waters issued out from under the
>threshold of the house eastward: for 

Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Waco Humor

1999-09-09 Thread pennie hammons

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The medical proffesion KILLS DEAD people? How exactly do they do that? And
is it only in Waco that they kill these dead people?


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>Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:17:08 -0100
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>  -Caveat Lector-
>
>William Shannon wrote:
> >
> >  -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > In a message dated 9/7/99 9:11:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
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> >
> > << I certainly agree that this is not a laughing matter.
> >  ...Only a sick person would post such a thing.>>
>
>Oh bullshit! It's not that big a fucking deal. Let's not
>get too carried away. The medical profession kills ten times the
>number of dead people at Waco every day.
>
>Joshua2
>
> >
> > Yeah well whatever, guess it's mighty cool to mock Chelsea Clinton while
>she
> > was a mere child though? "Two-faced" double standards are the order of
>the
> > day among the bible and guns set I guess...
> > As Rush would say..."Lighten' Up Folks"
> > And Limbaugh is ALWAYS right, isn't he? (Ooops, I forgot, he's another
>"fake"
> > conservative"...sorry!
> >
> > Bill
> >
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Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CIA-DRUGS] Re: Hillary Registered as aPresidentialCandidate

1999-09-09 Thread pennie hammons

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YOU shouldn't be allowed to vote, if you vote by a candidate's looks. What a
stupid comment.


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>Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CIA-DRUGS] Re: Hillary Registered as
>aPresidentialCandidate
>Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:32:25 -0100
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
>pennie hammons wrote:
> >
> >  -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > Forbes, damn it! Forbes! Read his book! WE decide who's going to be
> > president. Let's throw a wrench in their conspiracy gears!
> >
>
>Forbes sucks and is WAY too ugly to be President. I don't want to have
>to look at that countenance every time I go to the post office.
>
>Joshua2
>
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Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CIA-DRUGS] Re: Hillary Registered as a Presidential Candidate

1999-09-08 Thread pennie hammons

 -Caveat Lector-

Forbes, damn it! Forbes! Read his book! WE decide who's going to be
president. Let's throw a wrench in their conspiracy gears!

>From: Linda Minor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [CTRL] Fw: [CIA-DRUGS] Re: Hillary Registered as a Presidential
>   Candidate
>Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:17:59 -0500
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Brian Downing Quig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 3:18 AM
>Subject: Re: [CIA-DRUGS] Re: Hillary Registered as a Presidential Candidate
>
>
>Yes McCain could be so smug about all the money he took from Keating
>because he knew Keating was part of a William Casey black operation with
>General John Singlaub
>protected by the NSC http://www.dcia.com/straw.html.  This is an example of
>one of  the many big scandals that was contained locally.  I maintain there
>are hundreds of others.
>Now for the sake of the focus of this group recall that when Ron Lister
>threatened to call his case officer in the White House Scott Weekly, son of
>the admiral, he did not mention CIA.  He mentioned DIA --- DEFENSE
>INTELLIGENCE AGENCY, the intelligence arm of the DOD.  In 1980 Singlaub had
>just retired as the director of DIA.  Openly he said in Phoenix that he
>directed 17 counter-insurgency operations throughout the world --- as a
>private citizen!  One of those was the contras. One was in Laos.  One was
>in Angola.  One was in Afghanistan.
>
>I have never seen another writer explain this.  So you see the public has
>only gotten a very small part of the overall picture.  Nor have I ever seen
>the names Charlie Keating and General Singlaub connected in print ---
>although they are.
>
>Keating's brother the ASSOCIATED PRESS V.P kept Charlie's name out of
>print.  And the Dan Qualye owned ARIZONA REPUBLIC was never going to blow
>the whistle on what Keating was doing.  In case you have not realized it
>these people are succeeding.
>
>Dan Qualye introduced Oliver North to John Hull and Ron Owens went right
>from Qualye's staff to the Oliver North's staff.  Now it should be clear
>how Keating made away with $3.5 billion dollars.  That is alot of mone for
>one community.  It is enough to create thousands of multi-millon aires.
>And these benefactors have clout.  So there was little effort to get any of
>this money back.
>
>In 1987 when I first meet Lance Trimmer and Bo Gritz they had just returned
>from Burma taking a break from an assignment training Mujahadeen general
>staff officers on the Nevada desert with Scott Weekly.  It was a state
>department/DIA contract which was paid through STANFORD TECHNOLOGIES, the
>company owned by General Richard Secord and Philip Hakeem which Secord
>called "THE ENTERPRISE'.  Singlaub's arms company is INTERARMS --- small
>arms but where the money is in low intensity warfare.
>
>I presume that everyone knows that Oliver North was Singlaub's adjutant
>during the Secret War in Laos where Secord commanded AIR AMERICA and Ted
>Shackley, Tom Clines, Dave Morales and Terry Burke the CIA.  Tom Clines and
>Dave Morales grew up in Phoenix.  Ruben Ortega, current Salt Lake City
>police chief and former Phoenix police chief had been a close friend of
>Morales since they were in the same high school classes together.
>
>Could any of this history have anything to do with the cold fact that today
>Arizona is the number one dope trafficking state and one of the principal
>staging areas of the CIA?
>
>Correct me if I am wrong but did not every drug writer during the DARK
>ALLIANCE frenzy miss these key points about Singlaub's operation which was
>directing the contras and so much more?  They bantered about less than 2%
>of the whole picture.  And what is worse none of the writers cared to get
>the real story.  When I contacted them they were not interested.
>
>I begged journalists to cover the Tucson trial of Roy Reagan, the man who
>decomissioned the ariplanes from DOD for Barry Seal among other things ---
>for months ---  to throw the spot light upon the MOTHER OF ALL DRUG
>TRAFFICKING TIRALS http://www.dcia.com/mission14.html on my current events
>page. Only 3 journalists ever even attended the trial --- all the while
>this DARK ALLIANCE media frenzi.  If some attention could have been focused
>there Judge Bilby never could have been murdered at the start of the second
>trial after which I suspended publishing on the web.
>
>Brian Downing Quig
>
>Jamie Shafer wrote:
>
>  I gather from reading up on McCain that the vets are right. And don't
>forget his very cozy relatinship with Keating of S&L (ill) repute. for my
>money McCain is a big FAKE.
> At 07:24 AM 09/07/1999 -0700, you wrote:
> >From: Brian Downing Quig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >Or how about candidates like Dan Qualye, John McCain, or E. Dole.
>They click
> >their heals when a Bush enters the room.
> >
> >I am tol

Re: [CTRL] A Physicist Explains the Fireball at Waco That Killed ...

1999-09-08 Thread pennie hammons

 -Caveat Lector-

Bill, would you have sent your children out to them if you saw how corrupt
they were? Taking away grandmothers in handcuffs and shackles...I wouldn't
have!

>From: William Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [CTRL] A Physicist Explains the Fireball at Waco That Killed
>...
>Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:03:06 EDT
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
>In a message dated 9/8/99 12:59:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>writes:
>
><< Never say our FBI and ATF are not merciful.  When they kill children,
>they
>do
>  it quickly.  Prudy >>
>
>Ok Prudy...enough about the children being killed by the feds...Koresh and
>the parents of these children put them in this situation, where is the
>outrage at the parents??? "Personal responsibility" right?
>
>Bill.
>
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Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Waco Humor

1999-09-07 Thread pennie hammons

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Whoever posted this should watch WACO: The Rules Of Engagement and then
apologize for being so crass. Look at the pictures of these innocent babies'
charred bodies and then dare to make jokes. I'll kick your butt myself!


>From: Amelia K Edgeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Waco Humor
>Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 23:10:52 -0700
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
>I certainly agree that this is not a laughing matter.  The manner in which
>those children died is cause for tears, maybe prayers but laughter and
>humor, never!
>Only a sick person would post such a thing.
>Amelia
>
>- Original Message -
>From: day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Sent: Monday, September 06, 1999 1:48 PM
>Subject: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Waco Humor
>
>
> > -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > > From: William Shannon
> >
> > This is not humor.   And, may I be the first to
> > apologize for your parents, or whatever it is that raised
> > you, to show total disrespect for the murdered adults
> > and children at Waco.
> >
> > I can just imagine the outrage on this list had
> > the jokes included a recipe for jews being baked in the
> > ovens.   Some of you certainly are two-faced.
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Re: [CTRL] Roll over Karl. A racist capitalist bigot will save the working man.

1999-09-07 Thread pennie hammons

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Read Forbes' new book, A New Birth Of Freedom, and vote for the guy who will
do this without the bigotry!


>From: Nurev Ind Research <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [CTRL] Roll over Karl. A racist capitalist bigot will save the
>  working  man.
>Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 22:39:34 -0100
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
>For the first time since the Vietnam war, I will vote in a major
>election. I will vote for a racist, sexist, Jew hating, capitalist
>bigot who is the only one that can stop the Global Capitalists.
>
>The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
>
>Holding my nose,
>Joshua2
>
>=
>
>CNN CROSSFIRE - September 6, 1999
>
>What Party Deserves the Union Label?
>
>BILL PRESS, CO-HOST: Tonight, looking for the union label -- on this Labor
>Day, candidates are appealing for the support of labor unions. Who
>deserves it more? Democrats or Republicans?
>
>ANNOUNCER: From Washington, CROSSFIRE. On the left, Bill Press; on
>the right, Mary Matalin. In the CROSSFIRE, Congressman Tom Davis of
>Virginia, chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee, and
>Richard Trumka, secretary treasurer of the AFL-CIO.
>
>PRESS: Good evening. Welcome to CROSSFIRE.
>
>It's Labor Day, when anybody with any sense is at the beach, and everybody
>else is out campaigning, Democrat and Republican. GOP front-runner George
>W. Bush rode in Labor Day parade in South Carolina. Gary Bauer, Steve
>Forbes and Dan Quayle all worked the same labor crowd up in New Hampshire.
>And Vice President Al Gore was grand marshal for the big Labor Day parade
>in Des Moines, Iowa, all of which is a sure sign that labor's going to be
>a big player in the 2000 elections, and is, in fact, already gearing up.
>
>The AFL-CIO reportedly plans to spend up to $46 million in 2000,
>supporting candidates, mostly Democrats. In 1998, only 27 Republican
>members of Congress received labor support. Is that fair? A lot of union
>members vote Republican, but are union bosses willing to support more
>Republicans? Or are unions, as some charge, just political subdivisions of
>the Democratic National Committee? Weighty questions for tonight's guests
>as we examine labor and politics, 2000. Mary.
>
>MARY MATALIN, CO-HOST: Well, happy Labor Day.
>
>And we'd much rather be with you than at the beach, Mr. Trumka. Now, I am
>a member in good standing of the vast right-wing conspiracy. I am also...
>
>
>RICHARD TRUMKA, SECRETARY TREASURER, AFL-CIO: That's good. I'm
>glad to finally meet you, by the way.
>
>MATALIN: Well, and happy to be there, and also proud card- carrying
>member of the American Steelworkers, AFTRA, SAG, I belong to three
>different unions, and that is not that weird. Thirty-one percent of union
>members -- union households identify themselves as conservative. Somewhere
>between 40 percent and even higher vote for Republicans. Why, Mr. Trumka,
>then, in past elections, does 99 percent of union money go to support
>Democrats? TRUMKA: Well, first of all, only 20 percent of our members are
>really where you said they were. And we actually looked at that program,
>and at one point about two years ago, about 40 percent of our members
>actually voted where we thought they shouldn't be. I'm not going to name
>that political party.
>
>MATALIN: That's almost half of your party voting against...
>
>TRUMKA: But it drove our current program, because what we found out is
>they were voting for people who were not going to Congress and voting in
>their interests. So our new program is designed to issue- educate them,
>and give them a real informed choice so they can make a decision on
>Election Day on who goes to support him and who doesn't.
>
>MATALIN: Of all the issues that all American families are concerned about,
>particularly union households are interested in and do support tax cuts.
>Seventy percent of union members supported the across the board 10 percent
>tax cut, which is no more, yet you oppose it. They also obviously must
>support policies that promote job creation, not the kind of policies
>Democrat support. Those are the two biggest issues for union families.
>
>TRUMKA: Well, first of all, they don't support tax cuts when it's going to
>destroy Social Security, Medicare and other groups. And they tell us,
>whenever they talk to us, we wish that that Congress up there would spend
>a little less time bickering with each other and more time figure out ways
>to keep jobs here, to keep -- develop good trade policies that help us
>with manufacturing. They also don't think it's a very fair tax cut when 70
>percent of it goes to the top 10 percent. That's not a blue collar
>friendly tax plan. That's a country club tax plan.
>
>PRESS: Congressman Davis, welcome to the show, by the way.
>
>REP. THOMAS DAVIS (R-VA), CHAIRMAN, NATIONAL REPUBLICAN
>CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE: The tax plan is totally misrepresented.
>You 

Re: [CTRL] a vote for GWB is a vote for the NWO; make no mistake!

1999-09-05 Thread pennie hammons

 -Caveat Lector-

Thank you, Bill! Now, if we all just vote for Forbes, we can cause some
changes around here!


>From: William Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [CTRL] a vote for GWB is a vote for the NWO; make no mistake!
>Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 23:21:00 EDT
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
>In a message dated 9/5/99 7:25:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
><< You are correct! And considering that GWB was a member of his father's
>own
>  "Skull&Bones" sick society, there is no doubt that they share the same
>  f*cked-up brain. >>
>
>A TOTAL "Amen" Pennie!!
>
>Bill/
>
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Re: [CTRL] a vote for GWB is a vote for the NWO; make no mistake!

1999-09-05 Thread pennie hammons

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You are correct! And considering that GWB was a member of his father's own
"Skull&Bones" sick society, there is no doubt that they share the same
f*cked-up brain.


>From: Bard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [CTRL] a vote for GWB is a vote for the NWO; make no mistake!
>Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 19:03:11 -0700
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
>"What is at stake is more than one small country, it is a big idea - a new
>world order...to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind...based upon
>shared principles and the rule of law The illumination of a thousand
>points of light The winds of change are with us now."
> President Bush - In his State of
>the Union message during the Gulf War.
>
>Folks, Due to corrupt government schools the underclass will not have the
>necessary skills to earn a living wage to buy even the sh*t manufacturered
>by the Asian ants, let along the necessities of life.  Mark my Word!
>No way can they compete in an Information Technology environment.
>The illegal immigration only compounds the problem.
>GWB can take his Spanish-speaking skills and sick them
>up where the sun don't shine;  talk about pandering!!
>
>Provable Accusations against American Public Schools
>http://www.riverpup.com/brainwash/school2.html
>
>Will be interesting to see if Pat Buchanan succumbs to the
>pressure of the GOP leadership thugs and remain in
>the Repub Party.
>
>lol
>
>
>Bard
>
>
>Visit me at:
>The Center for Exposing Corruption in the Federal Government
>http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm
>
>Federal Government defined:
>a benefit/subsidy protection racket!
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Re: [CTRL] OT?: Angel Scroll names Jesus as sect member (fwd)

1999-01-16 Thread pennie hammons

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Jah wrote:
By the way, free-will, is, for your information, one of God's Laws and there
are no other laws on this planet that are Lawful.

***So, if man-made laws are evil and God sent you to recover the Ark, then I
would say that you are sinning by obeying the laws of man and NOT the word
of God. Surely you don't need a permit to dig since that is part of man's
law..?

Jah: Perhaps I joined the wrong list? Does anyone know of a real
anti-conspiracy list? If so please tell me how to contact it.
>
***I think you did join the wrong list. The one you want is Sons Of Liberty
at Onelist.com. I'm sure that you will fit right in there.
>
>Jah:P.S. Your words are in brown. Is there a subconscious message in your
>choice of colour for your own words? Did God guide your choice for you?
>
*** Jah, your words are in black, h.

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Re: [CTRL] Christians Unwelcome in Israel

1999-01-03 Thread pennie hammons

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Don't you think you are blaspheming the Name of God by calling yourself
"JAH"?


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>Dear Nessie,
>
>Please study http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/xmas.htm where it
>is all explained in detail.
>
>Peace be upon you,
>
>JAH.
>
>P.S. Hello Victoria.
>
>- Original Message -
>From: nessie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > -Caveat Lector-
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> > >It would seem that the rabbis agree with Christ in this case.
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> > So what exactly is  Jesus supposed to have said about Christmas trees?
>And
> > where did he say it?
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Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: URGENT/Denver Bio-Chem Attack Alleged Imminent]

1999-01-03 Thread pennie hammons

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Headline news just announced three cases of the Bubonic Plague in
ColoradoNov.5,1999.


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>Subject: [CTRL] [Fwd: URGENT/Denver Bio-Chem Attack Alleged Imminent]
>Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:58:06 +1200
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> Original Message 
>Subject: URGENT/Denver Bio-Chem Attack Alleged Imminent
>Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:26:26 +
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>9.23.99
>Denver/Bio-Chem Attack Alleged Imminent
>
>We are forwarding this message from a trusted source in the Denver area,
>who has provided much useful information to both "official" and
>unofficial uncompromised investigators: for example, recently in the
>Columbine school massacre and the murders of JFK Jr., wife and
>sister-in-law.
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>NewsHawk Inc.
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>- - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> I've received information today--Sept.23, 1999--
>from 2 of my sources, both of whom I trust, that the
>Denver Metro area will be hit with a Bio-Chemical
>attack sometime within the next month.
>
>I've known of Bio-Chemicals being stored in the
>Mountains just outside Denver, possibly in/on  Mt.
>Evans, for quite some time. I've spent a lot of time
>attempting to locate said Bio-Chemical weapons, and
>the terrorists that hold them and guard them. They
>are a conglomerate of "terrorists" in that some are
>Mexican, some are Russian, some are Libyan, some are
>Afghani, etc.
>
>We anticipated this attack closer to the Y2K deadline,
>but are not surprised at the accelerated date. We
>believe this will be used as the excuse to declare
>Martial Law, and of course remove what freedoms
>we have left, after first killing between 300,000 -
>400,000 people: population reduction, in other words.
>
>Buy Gas masks and Bio-Chemical suits, now. As always,
>these plans CAN be thwarted if we make this public
>enough, albeit, for a brief period of time. Only God
>and his son can ultimately put a stop to these bastards.
>And they will, in their time.
>
>Anyway, please pass this on to everyone you can
>possibly think of an have them make this information
>known as publicly as possible. Also, I hold you to your
>promise of my complete anonymity.
>Thanks.
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[CTRL] Clinton and Mubarak

1999-01-02 Thread pennie hammons

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PRESIDENT CLINTON PRESSURES EGYPTIAN PRESIDENT ON OSLO TALKS November 1,
1999

The World Tribune reported: "Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak appears on the
verge of agreeing to attend the Middle East peace summit in Oslo on Tuesday,
Arab diplomats said on Sunday. The diplomats said Mubarak discussed his
attendance at Oslo during a phone call on Saturday with U.S. President Bill
Clinton. Clinton urged Mubarak to reverse his decision to boycott the Oslo
summit with Israel and the Palestinian Authority amid tensions between Cairo
and Washington. Hours later, Foreign Minister Amr Mussa said Egypt would
attend the Oslo summit but did not say whether Mubarak would participate.
U.S. officials have rejected Egypt's original plans to send Mussa instead of
Mubarak to the summit. Mussa on Saturday met Egypt's ambassador to Israel,
Mohammed Bassiouny, and the two men denied any rift between Cairo and
Israel. Bassiouny again denied remarks attributed to Defense Minister
Hussein Tantawi that warned of a possible war with Israel. Relations between
Egypt and the United States have been tense over the last few weeks amid
disputes regarding the Middle East peace process, arms proliferation and
Sudan's civil war. On Sunday, the London-based A-Sharq al-Awsat reported
that efforts will continue to improve relations between Egypt and the United
States..."



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