Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's Rants,Illuminiati,Talmud,Marx,Jesuit trained Clinton ...

2000-06-25 Thread d.linen

Ynr Chyldz Wyld wrote:
>
> From: "William Shannon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> >>So if June says it, it's fact and if Bill says it, it's fact? But if
> >>Aleisha says it, it's NOT fact? >>
> >
> >You're catchin' on...
> >
>
> Yes, and we suddenly find a brand new ID on the list suddenly coming to
> "Aleisha's" defense, but utilizing a grammatical style remarkably similar to
> "Aleisha's"   ;-)

*Now* who's catchin' on...?

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Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's Rants, Illuminiati,Talmud,Marx,Jesuit trained Clinton ...

2000-06-25 Thread Ynr Chyldz Wyld

From: "William Shannon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>>So if June says it, it's fact and if Bill says it, it's fact? But if
>>Aleisha says it, it's NOT fact? >>
>
>You're catchin' on...
>

Yes, and we suddenly find a brand new ID on the list suddenly coming to
"Aleisha's" defense, but utilizing a grammatical style remarkably similar to
"Aleisha's"   ;-)


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Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's Rants, Illuminiati, Talmud, Marx,Jesuit trained Clinton ... et al

2000-06-25 Thread Ynr Chyldz Wyld

From: "Aleisha Saba" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Some wrote me to say your were a lesbian, another said a man

Perhaps I'm both...   ;-)


> - I do not
> care who you are, except you have a very corrupted and evil manner
and
> to put it simply, you are a bore.

But not to you, it appears...

Seems I've pushed a few buttons, eh?


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Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's Rants,Illuminiati,Talmud,Marx,Jesuit trained Clinton ...

2000-06-25 Thread d.linen

William Shannon wrote:

> << So if June says it, it's fact and if Bill says it, it's fact? But if
>  Aleisha says it, it's NOT fact? >>

The "fact" is, I don't believe you or your so-called facts

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Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's Rants, Illuminiati,Talmud,Marx,Jesuit trained Clinton ...

2000-06-25 Thread William Shannon

In a message dated 6/25/00 12:36:29 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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<< So if June says it, it's fact and if Bill says it, it's fact? But if
 Aleisha says it, it's NOT fact? >>

You're catchin' on...

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Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's Rants, Illuminiati,Talmud,Marx,Jesuit trained Clinton ...

2000-06-25 Thread d.linen

William Shannon wrote:

> << Colleen? It says Aleisha, not Colleen. >>
>
> Oh, MUST BE "Aleisha" then...since it says that...sorry, I forgot that if
> it's in writing it MUST be fact...

So if June says it, it's fact and if Bill says it, it's fact? But if
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Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's Rants, Illuminiati, Talmud,Marx,Jesuit trained Clinton ...

2000-06-25 Thread Aleisha Saba

YardbirdYes, It Is I, Francis Bacon.

Someone said a pig ate my Frog?

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Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's Rants, Illuminiati, Talmud,Marx,Jesuit trained Clinton ...

2000-06-25 Thread Yardbird

Maybe it's Francis Bacon :)

On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, William Shannon wrote:

> In a message dated 6/25/00 12:03:08 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> << Colleen? It says Aleisha, not Colleen. >>
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> Bill.
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Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's Rants, Illuminiati, Talmud,Marx,Jesuit trained Clinton ...

2000-06-25 Thread William Shannon

In a message dated 6/25/00 12:03:08 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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<< Colleen? It says Aleisha, not Colleen. >>


Oh, MUST BE "Aleisha" then...since it says that...sorry, I forgot that if
it's in writing it MUST be fact...

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Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's Rants, Illuminiati, Talmud,Marx,Jesuit trained Clinton ...

2000-06-25 Thread d.linen

Colleen? It says Aleisha, not Colleen. She gets 'testy' over what she
considers a lie and demands proof of the statement, which is nothing
more that June asks of Aleisha.

William Shannon wrote:
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> In a message dated 6/25/00 10:40:02 AM Central Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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> << June you are a god damned liar..now leave it at that.   Known to use
>  different names on one list.   Show your proof or shut your mouth. >>
>
> Colleen, please...calm down...you seem rather testy today...h...anyway
> your assaults on other listmembers are unseemly and very un-lady-like...
>
> Bill.

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Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's Rants, Illuminiati, Talmud, Marx,Jesuit trained Clinton ...

2000-06-25 Thread William Shannon

In a message dated 6/25/00 10:40:02 AM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< June you are a god damned liar..now leave it at that.   Known to use
 different names on one list.   Show your proof or shut your mouth. >>

Colleen, please...calm down...you seem rather testy today...h...anyway
your assaults on other listmembers are unseemly and very un-lady-like...

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Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's Rants, Illuminiati, Talmud, Marx,Jesuit trained Clinton ... et al

2000-06-25 Thread Aleisha Saba

June you are a god damned liar..now leave it at that.   Known to use
different names on one list.   Show your proof or shut your mouth.

Further someone sent me an article they kept re you making remark that
the Virgin Mary had been "knocked up" and gave birth to a bastard son.

Do not know what kind of a person you are, but birds of a feather often
flock together.

But you, are a god damned liar - and I am sick of your what you call
humor - but it is witless crap.

Now compare these remarks to others on the list.   You are what they
call a flamer.your are anti-Christian but fit well in with your
crowd.

You are so stupid and it shows by every word you drain from someone else
from either a dictionary or an encyclopedia.

Some wrote me to say your were a lesbian, another said a man - I do not
care who you are, except you have a very corrupted and evil manner and
to put it simply, you are a bore.

But worse,  you are now a liar of the first degree.

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Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's Rants, Illuminiati, Talmud, Marx,Jesuit trained Clinton ... et al

2000-06-25 Thread Ynr Chyldz Wyld

From: "Michael Pugliese" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Just a hunch, but is Aleisha, really another one of Collen Jones,
> "virtual personalities."???

Could be.  Colleen was also known to utilize two or more IDs on a list
at one time, to give the allusion of having supporters   ;-)


> Same literary style, same
> allusions to a back channel to J. Edgar Hoover.

Yes, and if you notice there is at least one other member on the list
who prolifically posts messages with a grammatical style similar to
Aleisha's...


June

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Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's Rants, Illuminiati, Talmud, Marx, Jesuit trained Clinton ... et al

2000-06-24 Thread David Sutherland

ROTFLMAO!!!

Well I suppose I've been accused of a bit of that myself!!!

I did however figure I might have a tough time in any serious argument I
might have with her, since, as far as I can gather from what folks are
suggestin' here, she is in fact in possession of at least two heads,
compared to my paltry one! ()



- Original Message -
From: "Ynr Chyldz Wyld" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's Rants, Illuminiati, Talmud, Marx, Jesuit
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> From: "David Sutherland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Aleisha - You KNOW ALL THIS stuff below - REALLY!  (ggg)
> >
> > & you wrote:
> >
> > "Screw them all...get that bible and find out who really wrote it
> and
> >  whyeven Marx knew it was sheer opium and mind control"
> >
> > Marx in fact wrote that "religion" not the 'bible', was the "opiate"
> not the
> > 'opium', of the "people" not of 'mind control'.
>
> David, you're referring to KARL Marx, when it should be obvious Aleisha
> gets her/his stuff from Groucho...   ;-)
>
>
> June
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Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's Rants, Illuminiati,

2000-06-24 Thread nessie

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>>  Saba is Colleen...no doubt!



Maybe they're both AI subroutines. If so, the almost pass the Turing test.

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Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's Rants, Illuminiati,

2000-06-24 Thread Samantha L.

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> <<   But so many things are different from Colleen's posts, most notably the
>   spelling, grammar and syntax - not to mention the overall clarity. >>
>
>  Saba is Colleen...no doubt!

LOL!!  Ok, you got me.  I read a few posts after making the above assertion
and saw the undeniable "Colleen-ness."  I'm glad, I'd wondered where Colleen
had wandered off to.

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Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's Rants, Illuminiati, Talmud, Marx,Jesuit trained Clinton ...

2000-06-24 Thread Aleisha Saba

Whata is in a name - for a rose by any other name would smell as sweet,
and be as sweet (improved upon Shakespeare here)..so what is in a
name.

Colleen sounds like a wonderful, Irish girl with great sense of humor,
or she couldn't last too long on any list.So turn loose the Hounds
of Hell...who the crap cares.

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Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's Rants, Illuminiati, Talmud, Marx,Jesuit trained Clinton ...

2000-06-24 Thread William Shannon

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<<   But so many things are different from Colleen's posts, most notably the
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Saba is Colleen...no doubt!

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Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's Rants, Illuminiati, Talmud, Marx,Jesuit trained Clinton ...

2000-06-24 Thread Samantha L.

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> >Just a hunch, but is Aleisha, really another one of Collen Jones,
>  > "virtual personalities."???
>
>  I figured that out by about her second post, but didn't feel like
>  announcing it.
>
>  Tenorlove
>  large spool of rope by side.

  But so many things are different from Colleen's posts, most notably the
spelling, grammar and syntax - not to mention the overall clarity.

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Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's Rants, Illuminiati, Talmud, Marx,Jesuit trained Clinton ... et al

2000-06-24 Thread Tenorlove

--- Michael Pugliese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Just a hunch, but is Aleisha, really another one of Collen Jones,
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I figured that out by about her second post, but didn't feel like
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Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's Rants, Illuminiati, Talmud, Marx, Jesuit trained Clinton ... et al

2000-06-24 Thread Aleisha Saba

Well the Marx Brothers were about as popular as Chalie Chaplin I
understand.Chaplin wrote the beautiful song Limelight but after he
died, someone stole his body later found in a trash bag for they did not
want a Jew buried in this Swiss cemetary.

Marx Brothers?  Frankly I never cared for their brand of humor but they
came at a time when America was being to be destroyed from within.

No one ever really questioned Oswald being a Marxist and Marx hated
jews.Oswald claimed to have omnipotence and power when only 15 so he
was being trained well probably something like little Sirhan.

These Marx brothers, Harpo, Grouch, Chico and Karl (?) had one thing in
common - they all had been charged with being communists .

Some people like low brow humor, I never did - I always liked a little
wit involved.

You guys probably all loved All In the Family, and as usual, this low
brow show began in England where look at them today.

When America is all one big Central Park like NYC.let us see if you
are still laughing.

And when all the White Farmers in South Africa are murdered and those
bastards starve to death with their land looted for diamonds when they
are so stupid they cannot grow food.then I will have last laugh, for
I will remember the murdered White Farmers and their chidren - and as
the face of America grows black with shame - well face it, the ones with
the dough will go elsewhere while America dies from Aids like South
Africa now dies.

Anyone for Aids?

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Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's Rants, Illuminiati, Talmud, Marx,Jesuit trained Clinton ... et al

2000-06-24 Thread Michael Pugliese

   Just a hunch, but is Aleisha, really another one of Collen Jones,
"virtual personalities."??? Collen used to be on the SNETNEWS listserv,
until Steve kicked her off after many complaints over the anti-semitic tone,
and rambling, bizarre conspiracy theories. Same literary style, same
allusions to a back channel to J. Edgar Hoover. Had a webtv e-mail address
too. (What is it with webtv? Does one have to be clinically categorizable
before you get one of those cheapo, Bill Gates owned contraptions?) If it
isn't the same person, guess, sui generis, the same nutball obsessions, can
exist in two different people.
Michael
Pugliese

- Original Message -
From: David Sutherland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 7:52 PM
Subject: Aleisha's Rants, Illuminiati, Talmud, Marx,Jesuit trained Clinton
... et al


> Aleisha - You KNOW ALL THIS stuff below - REALLY!  (ggg)
>
> & you wrote:
>
> "Screw them all...get that bible and find out who really wrote it and
>  whyeven Marx knew it was sheer opium and mind control"
>
> Marx in fact wrote that "religion" not the 'bible', was the "opiate" not
the
> 'opium', of the "people" not of 'mind control'.
>
> I would also suggest that what you think Marx "knew" is a near impossible
> conjecture.
>
> Marx was also influenced by the doctrine of the Illuminati cult. The
> Illuminati cult was founded by the Vatican via a supposed "rogue" Jesuit
> priest Adam Weishapt.
>
> The purposes of the Order was to overthrow the nobility, religions, and
> powers of Europe opposed to the Papacy. Hence Russia, the home of the
> millennial nemesis of the Papacy, the powerful Russian Orthodox Church,
> became a prime target.  Thus, the Orthodox religion was suppressed and
near
> brought to extinction by the supposed "Godless Communists" until it began
to
> prostrate itself to Rome, betrayed by its leadership, via ecumenical
> "dialogues" with the RCC in expectation of the US/Vatican alliance to
regain
> the Papal States of Europe, and overthrow said "Godless Commies" created
by
> the Jesuits themselves.
>
> Some years ago, Time Magazine ran articles how under Hollywood cue-card US
> President Reagan allied with the Pope - the US/Vatican alliance -
triumphed
> with near ease in the overthrow of the puppet "Evil Empire" of the
Soviets.
>
> China is next on the cards for Global Evangelisation by the US/Far
> Right/Vatican cabal, and forces are now being mustered via media, public
> opinion, conspiracy theory lists, a plethora of Chinese reports of
> "apparitions" of "UFOS" (an all time favourite con of the Vatican/CIA),
> piercing cries of Communist religious persecution, so on and so forth.
>
> That aside, and furthermore, the once Protestant countries, feared and
hated
> by the Vatican, and the popes, who pronounced the most venomous official
> curses via there publications and "Bulls" against these lands and peoples,
> were also high targets on the Vatican agenda.
>
> The prime exponents of Protestantism were the US and Britain which also
> were, and became, prime exports of Masonry, and havens for Papal
persecuted
> Jews, Christians, many Pagans, Esoteric groups, and cultural
disenfranchised
> minorities. Hence, one will always come across dis-information and
paranoia
> about the Masons, fed into various groups by the Vatican and its agents,
> even though Masonry is now virtually an insignificant and toothless old
boys
> club, and of course one will always find propoganda against the other
> ever-scapegoat, and concocted nonsense of the Vatican - the evil 'Christ
> Killer' Jews. vatican supported Catholic Hitler and the Papal Knight Nazis
> had a field day with the extinction of the Jews, masons, and other
> minorities, the Jews extermination also being supported by the Muslims
Grand
> Mufti who called for the same, and allied with the Nazi's.
>
> Today, the US has as its President, a man trained and indoctrinated by RCC
> Jesuit priests in Global politics via the Jesuit Georgetown University.
>
> Clintons mentor was the Jesuits own Professor Carroll Quigley - the
> "Conspiracy Theorists" arch guru whose mighty tome "Tragedy and Hope" is
> every high Conspiracy Theorists bible, and where the modern Anglo/Masonic
> styled 'Great Conspiracy' propaganda was hatched. Naturally, Quigley
doesn't
> mention either his 'church' nor his Jesuit Order as part of any Grand
> Conspiracy.
>
> The people running the NWO/US/Vatican/Far Right alliance are not die hard
> godless Atheists, but at core are religio-politically driven ideologs
> seeking to establish their expectation and version of the the messianic
> "kingdom of god on earth" by every means at their disposal, which is aptly
> represented  by the proverbial expression and appropriate descript of
> notoriety for the Vatican's Storm Troopers, the Jesuits and Jesuitism, -
> "the end justifies the means".
>
> Aleisha, I would further add that whilst the bible, or

Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's Rants, Illuminiati, Talmud, Marx, Jesuit trained Clinton ... et al

2000-06-24 Thread Ynr Chyldz Wyld

From: "David Sutherland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Aleisha - You KNOW ALL THIS stuff below - REALLY!  (ggg)
>
> & you wrote:
>
> "Screw them all...get that bible and find out who really wrote it
and
>  whyeven Marx knew it was sheer opium and mind control"
>
> Marx in fact wrote that "religion" not the 'bible', was the "opiate"
not the
> 'opium', of the "people" not of 'mind control'.

David, you're referring to KARL Marx, when it should be obvious Aleisha
gets her/his stuff from Groucho...   ;-)


June

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Re: [CTRL] Aleisha's Rants, Illuminiati, Talmud, Marx, Jesuit trained Clinton ... et al

2000-06-23 Thread Aleisha Saba

So Mr. Suthrland that day I picked up a 1954 ediion of a Gideon Bible
and noted the daily bible reading calendar/code, wih an open mind I got
the message.a secret society, let us say a Board of Directors or a
high tribunal, was calling for well not murders, for they believes the
term is execution - and these men had called for the execution (double
bar mean military) of the President of the United Statesthis Gideon
Bible answers all from the space program to the murders and slaughter of
the innocents.

This Quigley gets more credit than he is worth, for Clinton was sent to
Oxford like Christ when a child, to get an educationgood Imitation
of Christ - for this is what these people do, enter the actors and
actresses, some bad and some good.

This bible was the property of my brother in law, who was on Jimmy
Dodlittles Staff during WWII, under Vandenberg when CIA and then under
Vandenberg when headed up Joint Chief of Staffhe was Thor Chief, he
worked with von Braun, and ended up at Red Stone Arsenalhe helped
set up Vandenberg and was in the space race and to the moon firsthe
ran with the pack with me like Louis Truman, General - Hap Arnold - he
was his pall bearerhe ws there  when McArthur said Old Soldiers
Never Die and he had nearly every medal including Croix de Guerre with
Palm, etc.,

He also told me to lay off the bible code crap or I would be in more
trouble than one could dream.

But, this bible somehow had come into the possession of my mother - and
one cute phrase written in Song of Solomon "Key Experiment"he
believed in reincarnation but was Episcopalean but used to let Priests
use his mountain home for retreat when they went abroad in the summer
montsh.

Connection are all there.   And I tell you this and believe me,  J.
Edgar Hoover knew what I had and was up in arms, for I sent him the code
back  in 1969 at request of this one individual with inelligence
conections..and just recently this new FBI director sent this
code/calendar to England with men to show how to use it.

I know what I have and I took enough crap from idiots who tried to
silence over me and was surrounded by Jewish Mafia (Ucker, Plotnick,
DeLeo, etc) and all were Masonic and one was CIA according to my MI6
friend...and the were murderers - but only their little Mafia hit man
was sent to prison for murder of the black doctor but released by
Richard Celeste, Governor, and CFR - who was appointed to Ambassador to
India.

Furthr Quigley went into this CFR etc. hating same and came out
brainwashedthat guy was no genius, and on the take for surely nobody
could have sold their souls so cheap.

Now Blair and Clinton - these men were well trained in advance to be
where they are now.occsionally someone like a Kennedy will get in or
a Reagan...and you know what happened to them.

I know precisely what the bible is and it was not made for people to
read - it was made originally for the High Priests and for the Kings and
Queen to keep control.rule by fear.

Anyone who reads the Psalms sees the cursing and even the Bell, Book and
Candles.and Cursing was just psychological warfare.

Someday they will burn all this crap and then wondeer how the people
could be so stupid.

Opiate or Opium what is the diffrence?   The ancient Asassins used drugs
and this was how the Old Man in the Mountain Hassan kept power over his
killers, whom he kept on hash.this way they had no control over
their own liveshe had a brothel in that mountain which he called
pardise.his last words, it is alleged were Life Is But a Dream - no
reality which means he partook of his own stuff.

Now I say this - my bible code answers all and there wre people pretty
concerned that I figured out how it workseven my MI6 friend had
never seen it.

The Gideon Bible is placed in every country i the world..even when
Unibomber went to the hotel upo occasion, his only communication to the
outside was really in the bible..ever woder why they put all those
bibles about and why the Nazi's at Spandau had such a bible code that
even Rusians knew how it worked.

KGB used it because they had access to KKK ritualsit is linked to
the Space Program and th murder of three brave men who died in the fire
- Chariots of Fire - at the funeral of these men the Astronauts recited
the 46th psalmbut when previously the had gone to the moon, they
took the GIDEON bible with them.

There is a force of evil using this code  and a force of good.

The good are being murdered systematically ..and it started as of
late in 1963 with the murder of JFK..

My brother in law attended Geneva Convention and this is no doubt where
he was presented with this bible.but since that time in the 1950
period, what was to be Camelot is now just a cess pool and bed of
assassins and murderers.

And this Putin now is learning to play the game; first he caused a
little kids legs to be amputated, and today he sends a video camera to
little Russ

[CTRL] Aleisha's Rants, Illuminiati, Talmud, Marx, Jesuit trained Clinton ... et al

2000-06-23 Thread David Sutherland

Aleisha - You KNOW ALL THIS stuff below - REALLY!  (ggg)

& you wrote:

"Screw them all...get that bible and find out who really wrote it and
 whyeven Marx knew it was sheer opium and mind control"

Marx in fact wrote that "religion" not the 'bible', was the "opiate" not the
'opium', of the "people" not of 'mind control'.

I would also suggest that what you think Marx "knew" is a near impossible
conjecture.

Marx was also influenced by the doctrine of the Illuminati cult. The
Illuminati cult was founded by the Vatican via a supposed "rogue" Jesuit
priest Adam Weishapt.

The purposes of the Order was to overthrow the nobility, religions, and
powers of Europe opposed to the Papacy. Hence Russia, the home of the
millennial nemesis of the Papacy, the powerful Russian Orthodox Church,
became a prime target.  Thus, the Orthodox religion was suppressed and near
brought to extinction by the supposed "Godless Communists" until it began to
prostrate itself to Rome, betrayed by its leadership, via ecumenical
"dialogues" with the RCC in expectation of the US/Vatican alliance to regain
the Papal States of Europe, and overthrow said "Godless Commies" created by
the Jesuits themselves.

Some years ago, Time Magazine ran articles how under Hollywood cue-card US
President Reagan allied with the Pope - the US/Vatican alliance - triumphed
with near ease in the overthrow of the puppet "Evil Empire" of the Soviets.

China is next on the cards for Global Evangelisation by the US/Far
Right/Vatican cabal, and forces are now being mustered via media, public
opinion, conspiracy theory lists, a plethora of Chinese reports of
"apparitions" of "UFOS" (an all time favourite con of the Vatican/CIA),
piercing cries of Communist religious persecution, so on and so forth.

That aside, and furthermore, the once Protestant countries, feared and hated
by the Vatican, and the popes, who pronounced the most venomous official
curses via there publications and "Bulls" against these lands and peoples,
were also high targets on the Vatican agenda.

The prime exponents of Protestantism were the US and Britain which also
were, and became, prime exports of Masonry, and havens for Papal persecuted
Jews, Christians, many Pagans, Esoteric groups, and cultural disenfranchised
minorities. Hence, one will always come across dis-information and paranoia
about the Masons, fed into various groups by the Vatican and its agents,
even though Masonry is now virtually an insignificant and toothless old boys
club, and of course one will always find propoganda against the other
ever-scapegoat, and concocted nonsense of the Vatican - the evil 'Christ
Killer' Jews. vatican supported Catholic Hitler and the Papal Knight Nazis
had a field day with the extinction of the Jews, masons, and other
minorities, the Jews extermination also being supported by the Muslims Grand
Mufti who called for the same, and allied with the Nazi's.

Today, the US has as its President, a man trained and indoctrinated by RCC
Jesuit priests in Global politics via the Jesuit Georgetown University.

Clintons mentor was the Jesuits own Professor Carroll Quigley - the
"Conspiracy Theorists" arch guru whose mighty tome "Tragedy and Hope" is
every high Conspiracy Theorists bible, and where the modern Anglo/Masonic
styled 'Great Conspiracy' propaganda was hatched. Naturally, Quigley doesn't
mention either his 'church' nor his Jesuit Order as part of any Grand
Conspiracy.

The people running the NWO/US/Vatican/Far Right alliance are not die hard
godless Atheists, but at core are religio-politically driven ideologs
seeking to establish their expectation and version of the the messianic
"kingdom of god on earth" by every means at their disposal, which is aptly
represented  by the proverbial expression and appropriate descript of
notoriety for the Vatican's Storm Troopers, the Jesuits and Jesuitism, -
"the end justifies the means".

Aleisha, I would further add that whilst the bible, or lesser books
purporting to be revelations from God for that matter, such can be put to
good or evil use - it is not difficult to turn a life-saving ambulance into
a vehicle of carnage. However, from what I've read of your rants about the
good book, you really are completely ignorant of its central and wholistic
themes, and also the incredibly irrefutable evidence of the reliability of
its textual transmission and its unique content.  Whilst no one can argue
that it's content can be misused and abused, its textual reliability is
impeccable- as any honest inquiry will readily reveal.

David.


- Original Message -
From: "Aleisha Saba" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Talmud Exposed


> My brother in law, old military family dating back over 200 years, had
> great-grandfather who was Skull and Bones - much maligned on this list
> are these fellows.   On my mother's side we had a fellow up there too -
> and often in old days anyway, when someon