[CTRL] Attack On The Liberty: Lifting The Fog Of War
-Caveat Lector- http://www.wrmea.com/archives/June_2004/0406026.html June 2004, pages 26-28 Special Report Attack on the Liberty: Lifting the Fog of War By David C. Walsh The bare bones are these: The intelligence ship Liberty, AGTR-5, on June 8, 1967 was describing a slow, dogleg pattern a little less than 13 miles off the Egyptian coast in the Eastern Mediterranean. Without warning, rocket-firing Israeli jets, followed after an interval by torpedo boats, pummeled her to near-death; 821 separate holes would later be counted in the scorched superstructure. An Israeli torpedo blew a 40-foot hole in the Libertys hull, devastating the cryptological spaces below decks and killing 25 U.S. National Security Agency technicians. The spy ships defensive armament comprised a mere four machine guns. These had been judged adequate, insofar as she was a noncombatant in international waters. The Israeli attack continued for an hour and a quarter. When the smoke cleared, 34 Americans were dead, another 172 lay wounded. The story of the intelligence ship in a sense resembles the Liberty herself: both refuse to go down. The heartbreaking saga is kept afloat by mutually antagonistic partisansI dub them the deliberates and the accidentalists. Periodically, the dispute flares anew, each side throwing punch and counterpunch. Some strikes are errant, or glancing, or below the belt; others, solid hammer blows the recovery from which seems impossible. Occasionally, as now, the action is in synch. In one corner are a retired Navy JAG captain-cum-judge and the government of Israel; in the other, Liberty survivors, former leaders of the highly secret National Security Agency and other spooky types. The judge, A. Jay Cristol, has written a controversial book, The Liberty Incident. It alleges that the furious attack on the U.S. Navy ship (tasked by the NSA and the Pentagons Joint Chiefs of Staff) was what Israel since 1967 has claimed: a friendly-fire accident, the sort that bedevils every war. For their part, Liberty supporters assert that the ex-Navy lawyer is merely the latest, albeit most effective, in a long series of apologists for Israel. He is helping Israel engage in a decades-long campaign of disinformation and deceit, they maintain. Some harbor their own conspiratorial suspicions, i.e., that Israel paid for the many research trips Cristol made to the Jewish state over many years. Regardless, they say the present round of rhetorical combat has exposed their nemesis as highly selective in the use of records, disingenuous and desperate. Hes on the ropes! exclaims one. Perhaps. But with skeins of the story ever spreading, knotty issues left to be untied and core truths waiting to be teased out, neither side can declare case closed. The sad slugfest continues. In June 2003, I published an investigative article in the United States Naval Institutes Proceedings magazine; one that drew on some unusually well-informed people. These werent Israelis (Judge Cristol supplies those), but American intelligence leaders. They were addressing the tragedy for the first time; partly, some said, because of the Cristol book. Also included were interviews and conversations with the Libertys surviving cryptanalysts and other specialists. In total, they pointed the way toward an unsettling conclusion: The Cristol/Israeli explanation of accidental attack in the fog of war may have grown so threadbare as to be virtually unsustainable. Proof Two former NSA directorsAdm. Bobby Ray Inman, Gen. William Odomand two ex-deputy directorsGen. John Morrison and Oliver Kirbytold me that there has never been any question at the agency but that Israels attack on the Liberty was deliberate. Kirby, for example, is absolutely certain about this. A storied career NSA official, Kirby had founded the ELINT program under which the Liberty and her several sister ships operated. It was my baby, he said in an interview last year. Pressed about what made him sure the Israelis wanted to destroy the Liberty, Kirby said it was because hed personally analyzed the SIGINT intercepts of their communications gleaned from various American intelligence sources. These disclosed: 1) that the on-scene attackers that June 8 correctly identified the ship, and 2) that regardless, Israeli commanders at an as-yet-unknown level instructed them to annihilate the Liberty. Why had Kirby not gone public with this astonishing disclosure? No one had asked me the right questions before, he told me. In an interview Feb. 24, 2003, retired Air Force Maj. Gen. John Morrison, the agencys then-second in command (and Kirbys successor), said he had been informed at the time of Kirbys findings and endorsed them. William Odom, former NSA director and retired Army lieutenant general, said on March 3, 2003 that on the strength of such data, the attacks deliberateness just wasnt a disputed issue within the agency. On March 5, 2003, retired Navy Admiral Bobby Ray Inman, NSA
[CTRL] {attack} **MUST READ**--The Constitution Restoration Act Of 2004... (fwd)
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The Constitution Restoration Act Of 2004: The Most Important
Legislation In The Last Fifty Years
By Chuck Baldwin
February 17, 2004
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com
Last week, a bill was introduced in both chambers of Congress to
limit the jurisdiction of Federal courts in certain cases and
promote federalism. The House version is H.R. 3799, and the
Senate version is S. 2082. The bill is titled, The Constitution
Restoration Act of 2004. Initial sponsors of the bill include Rep.
Robert Aderholt (AL), Rep. Michael Pence (IN), Sen. Richard
Shelby (AL), Sen. Zell Miller (GA), Sen. Sam Brownback (KS),
and Sen. Lindsey Graham (SC). Even though the introduction of
this bill received little national media attention, it is the most
important legislation in the last fifty years.
I was privileged to be in attendance at the press conference in
Prattville, Alabama when former Alabama Supreme Court Chief
Justice Roy Moore, Rep. Aderholt, Sen. Shelby, Sen. Brownback,
and Ambassador Alan Keyes formally announced the introduction
of this bill to the media. Also in attendance were conservative
luminaries such as Phyllis Schlafly and Howard Phillips. The bill
was drafted by a star-studded legal team including Chief Justice
Moore's lead counsel, Herb Titus.
The passage of H.R. 3799 and S. 2082 should be regarded as the
most important item on the conservative agenda this year! It is no
hyperbole to say that the passage of this bill is significantly more
important than who wins the White House this November. Yes, I
really mean that.
You see, what difference does it make who wins a presidential or
congressional election if neither party will faithfully discharge
their duty to the U.S. Constitution? We have seen Republican and
Democratic presidents come and go. The same goes for
congressmen and senators. Yet, government continues to get
bigger and bigger, while freedom gets smaller and smaller. Neither
has either major party done anything to reverse the trend toward
socialism and globalism.
One of the major reasons for this unfortunate set of circumstances
is an out-of-control federal judiciary. For the last fifty years,
federal courts have run roughshod over the Constitution. For all
practical purposes, America is now controlled by a tyrannical
oligarchy of federal judges.
Thankfully, our Founding Fathers understood this potentiality and
prescribed a way for Congress to deal with the matter. Under
Article III, Section 2, of the U.S. Constitution, Congress has the
power and authority to regulate and except appellate jurisdiction of
the federal judiciary, including the U.S. Supreme Court. That is
exactly what H.R. 3799 and S. 2082 do.
Accordingly, under Sec. 102 of this bill, Notwithstanding any
other provision of this chapter, the Supreme Court shall not have
jurisdiction to review, by appeal, writ of certiorari, or otherwise,
any matter to the extent that relief is sought against an element of
Federal, State, or local government, or against an officer of
Federal, State, or local government (whether or not acting in
official personal capacity), by reason of that element's or officer's
acknowledgment of God as the sovereign source of law, liberty, or
government.
This means, that the federal judiciary would be prohibited from
interfering with any expression of religious faith by any elected
local, state, or federal official. In other words, federal judges could
not prevent the Ten Commandments from being displayed in
public buildings or Nativity Scenes from appearing on court house
lawns or under God from being recited in the Pledge of
Allegiance or prayers being spoken in public schools, etc. This bill
would limit the jurisdiction of the federal courts in these matters.
Furthermore, Sec. 201 of this bill states, In interpreting and
applying the Constitution of the United States, a court of the
United
[CTRL] {attack} How to Be a Good Democrat (fwd)
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Virtually anyone can be a Democrat. Just simply quit thinking and vote that
way. But if you want to be a GOOD Democrat, there are some prerequisites.
Consider the list below to see how you rate.
1. You have to believe the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of federal funding.
2. You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach 4th graders
how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about sex.
3. You have to believe that guns, in the hands of law-abiding Americans,
are more of a threat than U.S. nuclear weapons technology, in the hands of
Chinese communists.
4. You have to believe that there was no art before Federal funding.
5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by
cyclical, documented changes in the earth's climate, and more affected by
yuppies driving SUVs.
6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial but being
homosexual is natural.
7. You have to be against capital punishment but support abortion on demand.
8. You have to believe that businesses create oppression and governments
create prosperity.
9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but loony
activists from Seattle do.
10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actually
doing something to earn it.
11. You have to believe the military, not corrupt politicians, start wars.
12. You have to believe the NRA is bad, because it supports certain parts
of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good, because it supports certain
parts of the Constitution.
13. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high.
14. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are more
important to American history than Thomas Jefferson, General Robert E. Lee
or Thomas Edison.
15. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial
quotas and set-asides aren't.
16. You have to believe Hillary Clinton is really a lady.
17. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked
anywhere it's been tried, is because the right people haven't been in charge.
18. You have to believe Republicans telling the truth belong in jail, but a
liar and sex offender belongs in the White House.
19. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag,
transvestites and bestiality should be constitutionally protected and
manger scenes at Christmas should be illegal.
20. You have to believe that illegal Democratic party funding by the
Chinese is somehow in the best interest of the United States.
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Re: [CTRL] {attack} WARNING signs of the times: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion (fwd)
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I can't believe that whining sniveling jizz gobbler (Svend Robinson) has
been the incumbent politician for as long as he has. For as long as I can
remember, he's done nothing but slap decent moral Canadians across the face
time and time again.
While I wish the man no ill, I must admit I'd be pleased to learn he's dying
of AIDS.
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Date: 8/7/03 11:51:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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U.N. group in 'showdown with religion'
Gathered homosexual leaders to sharpen 'rights' strategy worldwide
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33984
© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com
Buoyed by growing political acceptance of homosexuals worldwide, a
United Nations group promoting gay and lesbian rights met in New York
to sharpen a multi-pronged strategy that includes a showdown with
religion.
The meeting was sponsored by the U.N. Gay, Lesbian or Bisexual
Employees, known as UNGLOBE, a group officially recognized by the
worldwide body in 1996.
At a forum Monday, attended briefly by U.N. Secretary General Kofi
Annan, panel members singled out Roman Catholics and evangelical
Protestants as opponents, according to the New York-based Catholic
Family and Human Rights Institute.
Speakers included U.S. Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., who urged Congress
to withhold support for a free trade agreement with Muslim-majority
Egypt because of its treatment of homosexuals.
Paula Ettelbrick, executive director of the San Francisco-based
International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission, or IGLHRC,
announced a coming showdown with religion and vowed Pope John Paul
II's call to arms against homosexual marriage would be successfully
combated.
Another panel member, Princeton University professor Anthony Appiah,
wondered whether or not religion should be limited, as it poses a
challenge to the homosexual agenda.
To thunderous applause, Svend Robinson, a member of the Canadian
parliament, told the Catholic Church to clean up your own house
before criticizing the morality of homosexuals.
Robinson criticized Roman Catholic Bishop Frederick Henry of Calgary,
calling his actions in defense of traditional marriage unbelievable.
The deputy mocked born again Christians, asking, Did they have to
come back again as themselves?
As WorldNetDaily reported, Robinson is the sponsor of a bill that would
add sexual orientation as a protected category in Canada's genocide and
hate crimes legislation. Opponents believe it would criminalize public
expression against homosexual behavior, including making quotations
from the Bible.
The U.N. group that hosted the event is pressing the United Nations to
recognize same-sex couples and treat their partnerships as equal to
traditional marriages.
Carol Bellamy, executive director of the U.N. Children's Fund, or
UNICEF, sent a message of support to the conference.
Annan told panel members the world should become much more tolerant
and compassionate.
I think what is important is that we should stress those positive
aspects in our society, the things that bring us together, and move
away from discrimination and persecution, the secretary general said.
At a news conference last week, the Atlantic Monthly reported, Annan
was asked to comment on the debate over what constitutes a family.
I believe that individuals should be allowed to make their own choices
and that we should be careful not to draw conclusions or adopt
prejudicial attitudes towards people for their choices and
preferences, he said. That's not something I think this organization
should get involved in.
Mark Malloch Brown, administrator of the U.N. Development Program, sent
a statement to the organizers, stating, Discrimination based on sexual
orientation not only
[CTRL] {attack} WARNING signs of the times: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion (fwd)
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Date: 8/7/03 11:51:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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U.N. group in 'showdown with religion'
Gathered homosexual leaders to sharpen 'rights' strategy worldwide
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33984
© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com
Buoyed by growing political acceptance of homosexuals worldwide, a
United Nations group promoting gay and lesbian rights met in New York
to sharpen a multi-pronged strategy that includes a showdown with
religion.
The meeting was sponsored by the U.N. Gay, Lesbian or Bisexual
Employees, known as UNGLOBE, a group officially recognized by the
worldwide body in 1996.
At a forum Monday, attended briefly by U.N. Secretary General Kofi
Annan, panel members singled out Roman Catholics and evangelical
Protestants as opponents, according to the New York-based Catholic
Family and Human Rights Institute.
Speakers included U.S. Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., who urged Congress
to withhold support for a free trade agreement with Muslim-majority
Egypt because of its treatment of homosexuals.
Paula Ettelbrick, executive director of the San Francisco-based
International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission, or IGLHRC,
announced a coming showdown with religion and vowed Pope John Paul
II's call to arms against homosexual marriage would be successfully
combated.
Another panel member, Princeton University professor Anthony Appiah,
wondered whether or not religion should be limited, as it poses a
challenge to the homosexual agenda.
To thunderous applause, Svend Robinson, a member of the Canadian
parliament, told the Catholic Church to clean up your own house
before criticizing the morality of homosexuals.
Robinson criticized Roman Catholic Bishop Frederick Henry of Calgary,
calling his actions in defense of traditional marriage unbelievable.
The deputy mocked born again Christians, asking, Did they have to
come back again as themselves?
As WorldNetDaily reported, Robinson is the sponsor of a bill that would
add sexual orientation as a protected category in Canada's genocide and
hate crimes legislation. Opponents believe it would criminalize public
expression against homosexual behavior, including making quotations
from the Bible.
The U.N. group that hosted the event is pressing the United Nations to
recognize same-sex couples and treat their partnerships as equal to
traditional marriages.
Carol Bellamy, executive director of the U.N. Children's Fund, or
UNICEF, sent a message of support to the conference.
Annan told panel members the world should become much more tolerant
and compassionate.
I think what is important is that we should stress those positive
aspects in our society, the things that bring us together, and move
away from discrimination and persecution, the secretary general said.
At a news conference last week, the Atlantic Monthly reported, Annan
was asked to comment on the debate over what constitutes a family.
I believe that individuals should be allowed to make their own choices
and that we should be careful not to draw conclusions or adopt
prejudicial attitudes towards people for their choices and
preferences, he said. That's not something I think this organization
should get involved in.
Mark Malloch Brown, administrator of the U.N. Development Program, sent
a statement to the organizers, stating, Discrimination based on sexual
orientation not only violates basic human rights but also hinders
development by immobilizing human capital, stifling expression and
limiting freedom of choice.
U.N. Human Rights Commission meeting
The panel discussed ways to ensure the success of a resolution at
introduced at this year's U.N. Human Rights Commission to expand the
world body's definition of discrimination to include sexual
orientation.
Robinson blamed the Vatican for the resolution's failure and promised a
global lobby effort to ensure victory next year.
This year's resolution was sponsored by Brazil, but Robinson said a
different champion will promote it next time.
Gay, lesbian, bisexual and
[CTRL] {attack} Most Shocking Gay Day Event Ever At Walt Disney World (fwd)
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Most Shocking Gay Day Event Ever At Walt Disney World
http://www.christianaction.org/CAN.news.story.asp?key=488
Orlando This was the most shocking Gay Day event ever, Martin Mawyer,
president of Christian Action Network, said of his experience during the
annual Gay Day at Walt Disney World.
The homosexual celebration, which ran from June 3rd to June 8th, featured
topless homosexuals engaged in hugging, kissing and public fondling at a
Disney theme park.
The video footage we captured on film is the most brazen and shameless
display of public homosexuality Ive ever seen, Mr. Mawyer said. And to
think it occurred at Disney World is simply stunning and beyond belief.
No wonder Disney officials threatened to have me arrested for filming this
homosexual orgy, Mr. Mawyer added.
Mr. Mawyer was referring to his first night of filming when Disney
officials ordered him to stop filming inside the Disney-owned dance club,
Mannequins. When asked why he couldnt film, Disney officials told him
that they were protecting the private activities of the homosexuals, even
though Mannequins is a public dance club.
But the threats against Mr. Mawyer didnt stop there. While filming in the
open park, Disney Security was again ordered him to turn his camera
off. When he refused, Disney officials said they were going to call the
Orange County police and have him arrested.
The police never came. And I suspect its because theres no law against
taking pictures at Disney World. It was a bluff, Mr. Mawyer said. They
were hoping to intimidate me so I would stop filming this damning evidence
against Disney World and their sponsorship of Gay Days.
After the initial series of threats, Disney officials finally left Mr.
Mawyer alone and allowed him to film.
Its absolutely impossible to describe the depth of depravity we saw. Not
only did we see men kissing men, but these shirtless homosexuals were
twisting the nipples of each other and fondling the butts and groins of
their lovers. And all this occurred right out in the open at a Disney
theme park, Mr. Mawyer said.
Mr. Mawyer will now take his video and film footage back to Virginia where
it will be edited and distributed to the Southern Baptist Convention,
churches, Disney shareholders, public opinion leaders and the media.
We must expose this event to protect unsuspecting families who may make
plans to attend Disney World during Gay Days. Parents and children should
not be exposed to this homosexual romp at a family theme park, Mr.
Mawyer said.
Disney should be ashamed for allowing this perverted activity to take
place at their parks. But to threaten to have me arrested for taking
pictures -- something clearly legal at Disney World -- while allowing
homosexuals to publicly fondle one another just goes to show how warped the
minds of Disney officials have become, said Mr. Mawyer.
Also see:
Orlando Gay Days 2003
http://gaydays.com/
Gay Day at Walt Disney World
http://www.gayday.com/
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'Alarmist' Global Warming Claims Unfounded Says Climatolgist
By Marc Morano
CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
July 14, 2003
Capitol Hill (CNSNews.com) - Climatologist Patrick J. Michaels told a Capitol
Hill luncheon Friday that the fears of catastrophic global warming are
scientifically unfounded and 'alarmist.' Michaels also declared that any climate
change that does occur would not impact the Earth or its inhabitants in any
significant way.
The science is settled in a very non-alarmist way, Michaels told
CNSNews.com. Michaels predicted that his message would not be well received by many in
the climate debate.
A non-alarmist way is politically very unpopular in Washington, D.C., he
said.
Michaels, author of the book Satanic Gasses: Clearing the Air about Global
Warming and an environmental sciences professor at the University of Virginia,
was the featured speaker at a luncheon sponsored by the Cato Institute on
Friday.
Scientific data really tells us how much it is going to warm over the next
100 years, and it's going to be at the low end of the projections, and people
will adapt as long as their economies are free. We have been adapting for a
long time, Michaels explained.
Michaels said he expects a negligible warm-up and pointed to the past 100
years as proof that any effects of potential increased global temperatures are
going to be negligible.
As the planet warmed up about one degree Fahrenheit in the last 100 years,
the life span in the industrialized democracies went from 40 to 80 [years], and
crop yields doubled. Global warming did not cause that, but it didn't stop it
either, Michaels said.
Instead of being concerned about potential climate change, people should
worry about something that is really a serious problem, he added.
The whole climate change debate is over, according to Michaels.
You would think I would tire of shooting fish in barrels, but it's still fun
and that is what's going on here [with the climate debate], Michaels said.
'Heads in the sand'
Debbie Boger, an energy expert with the Sierra Club, dismissed Michaels'
claims that the global warming debate is over.
We need to remember both the National Academy of Sciences and the U.N.'s
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) have both come out with reports
saying global warming is a real phenomenon, caused by human-made emissions and
will have real consequences, Boger told CNSNews.com.
To say there will be not be consequences is putting our heads in the sand,
she added.
Michaels called the persistent belief in catastrophic global warming a
religion and said that is why he has faced so much opposition to his scientific
work.
If you say something against a religion, people yell out at you. People
wonder why I drive a [low emission] hybrid car -- they would never blow up a
hybrid car, he said to laughter.
'A couple billion dollars'
Michaels outlined three periods of atmospheric change in the last 100 years
of U.S. history, noting a warming in the first part of the 20th century, a
cooling in the middle part of the century and a warming in the latter part of the
century.
There is the cooling of the mid-20th century that gave rise to congressional
hearings in the mid-1970s about the coming ice age, and [scientists were
asked], 'Could you use a couple billion dollars to study this?' Michaels said.
The money politicized the scientific process and consume[d] billions of
dollars of your money, he said.
The more money you throw at [climate science], the less certainty you get.
If you shut off all the money, the scientists would probably all agree, he
added.
The real scientific proof that man could not impact our environment with
greenhouse gas emissions in any catastrophic way already exits, Michaels believes.
Paleo records indicate that the concentration of the greenhouse gas carbon
dioxide in the
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ISSUE: Do you think we're getting our money's worth at
the United Nations? Neither do we. And some members of
Congress apparently agree.
Rep. J. D. Hayworth (R-AZ) has introduced legislation
that would reduce the U.S. contribution to the U.N.
budget by more than $240 million annually.
Rep. Hayworth's bill, H.R. 2303, would limit U.S.
contributions to the U.N.'s regular administrative
budget to no more than the largest assessed contribution
of any of the four other permanent, veto-wielding
members of the U.N. Security Council.
Our veto power should cost no more than that of the
other permanent members, China, France, Russia, or the
United Kingdom, Rep. Hayworth said. Even though their
combined Gross Domestic Product nearly equals that of
the U.S., we contribute about $115 million more to the
U.N. regular budget than those four countries combined.
That doesn't make sense and Congress should put a stop
to it.
Under current law, the U.S. contribution is fixed at
22 percent of the regular budget. That amounted to
$341 million for the current year. Under the revised
formula suggested by Rep. Hayworth, the U.S. assessment
would be lowered to $100 million annually, or 6.5
percent of the regular budget, matching that of France,
the second highest contributor.
The current dues arrangement is particularly
objectionable when you consider that each of the other
permanent members of the Security Council regularly
vote against U.S. proposals, Rep. Hayworth said. Equal
power should be matched by equal dues.
According to State Department records of Security Council
votes in 2002, China voted against the U.S. position on
issues of importance 80 percent of the time. Russia
opposed the U.S. position 78 percent of the time,
followed by France and the U.K. at 50 percent.
Rep. Hayworth said he also hopes a debate over dues will
prompt a broader discussion of U.N. reform.
The outrages are not limited to the meltdown over Iraq.
Cuba began its recent crackdown on dissidents as it was
elected to a new three-year term on the U.N.'s human
rights commission. That commission is being chaired by
Libya and includes some of the worst abusers of human
rights in the world, including Vietnam, Syria, Saudi
Arabia, Sudan, and Zimbabwe.
There must be reforms if the United Nations is to avoid
being reduced to an irrelevant international theater of
the absurd, Rep. Hayworth said.
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A great editorial from a week or two back about wind power.
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Nethaway: Price of chasing the wind
ROWLAND NETHAWAY, Senior editor
My daughter lives on about 600 acres of South Texas land next to Big Bend National
Park.
When she first said she was interested in buying a section of land that a distant
relative won in a poker game, I asked why.
There's nothing there, I said.
That land would be lucky to support a goat on 100 acres, which would limit her income
off the land to a widely scattered herd of six goats. Less if you factor in the
likelihood that mountain lions would eat her entire herd within a month.
It's beautiful, she said.
The beauty of desert living with a backdrop of mountains and open vistas grows on you.
One day I pointed to an object that jutted up from a ridge north of her property.
What's that?
The owner of the adjacent land had leased the ridge to an outfit with a bright idea
that failed - microwave tower links to Mexico or something that never worked.
It's a blight on your view, I mused staring at the man-made construction. I had begun
to appreciate the rocky beauty of nature in the raw.
Walter Cronkite and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. feel the same way about plans by an energy
outfit to install 130 windmills taller that the Statue of Liberty across 24 square
miles in Nantucket Sound off the shore from Cape Cod, Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket.
Cronkite and Kennedy find themselves among a growing number of environmentalists who
oppose the construction of giant wind turbines that are touted as an environmentally
friendly way to generate electricity without burning fossil fuels and polluting the
environment.
Subsidies cause lease rush
Heavy government subsidies for wind-powered electricity has caused a rush by power
companies and energy entrepreneurs to buy up leases to install giant wind turbines
that stretch for miles across the horizon.
The upside to this fastest-growing segment of America's energy picture is that wind is
free and the electricity generated by windmills does not add to greenhouse gases or
add to a national dependence on foreign oil.
The downside is that wind power would not be cost-effective without state and federal
subsidies. Wind farms also take up many miles of prominent landscape and then must
have transmission lines constructed to connect them to an electrical grid.
Considering the huge footprint they leave on the ground, they produce a relatively
small amount of electricity.
Even if government subsidies grow a new breed of millionaire wind wildcatters, fossil
fuel producers also enjoy rich government subsidies.
The main objection to wind farms is that they are an environmental blight on nature
while attempting to save the environment.
Environmentalists like Cronkite and Kennedy strongly support wind power as long as
20-story windmills do not alter the landscape of anything they have grown to love.
The problem with that attitude is that some people may love the ocean view off Cape
Cod and not mind sticking wind farms on mountain ridges in Appalachia or in remote
desert locations.
Beauty, as the saying goes, is in the eye of the beholder. While practically everyone
agrees that leviathan windmills stretched across the horizon are an eyesore, there is
a lot of disagreement over what part of the country is ugly enough to stick these
things without running the risk of spoiling nature's beauty.
A smaller group of environmentalists oppose wind farms because the churning 100-foot
plus blades kill migrating birds. A wind farm in California, according to The New York
Times, is called the condor Cuisinart.
The dispute over the rush to industrialize America's skylines with wind farms boils
down to visual pollution against air pollution.
Choose your poison It a tough call.
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The Pilgrim family in Alaska is not the only instance of the federal
government forcing people off their land. Donald Scott was awakened in the middle of
the night by someone breaking through his front door. He grabbed his gun and
started down the stairs, when he was shot dead by federal agents. Bob Learzaf
was taking a bath, when the feds stormed through his front door. They handcuffed
him, put him in leg-irons, and hauled him to jail.
The crime all these people have in common, is the ownership of land,
coveted by the federal government. For every victim whose story reaches the national
media, there are thousands of other victims who are harassed, coerced or
regulated to the point that they have neither the funds, nor the will to fight.
In the examples above, the landowners were inholders, which means that
their land is surrounded by so-called public land. In each instance, the land
was privately owned before the park was designated. The Clinton-Gore
administration undertook an intensive program to rid the world of these pesky
inholders,
and consolidate all the land into the hands of the federal government.
The federal land grab is not limited to inholders. Ranchers are being
systematically removed from federal lands throughout the west. Entire communities
that arose to support logging in the Northwest are vanishing. In Florida, an
entire community in Collier County is facing eviction, caused by impossible
flood-insurance fees dictated by the Federal Emergency Management Agency. This is
only the latest in a series of regulatory maneuvers to force the people out of
an area the federal government wants to return to its natural wilderness
condition.
We are witnessing the wrenching transformation of society that Al Gore said
would be necessary to save the planet. The planet can only be saved,
according to Mr. Gore and his crowd, if the government controls the use of all
resources. Resources are the product of land, and therefore, control of land use
results in the control of all resources.
The government, prodded by environmental organizations, has been extremely
creative in developing excuses to control land use. The wetlands policy, and the
attendant environmental propaganda, turned mosquito-infested mud-puddles, and
snake-infested swamps, into precious aquifer-recharge areas that could not be
altered, without penalty, by private landowners.
The Endangered Species Act has now allowed the listing of more than a
thousand obscure weeds and bugs that must have hundreds of thousands of acres
designated as critical habitat that cannot be altered, without penalty, by private
landowners. Viewsheds, heritage areas, wilderness, corridors, buffer zones,
archeological sites and a maze of other designations now prohibit the use of
private property from one end of the country to the other. Land-use control does
not stop at the city limits.
In the past, urban dwellers have paid little attention to the rural
cleansing that has been taking place across the countryside. With the emergence of
sustainable communities, land use in urban areas is also increasingly
controlled by government. Behind the mask of economic development areas, government
has discovered that it can condemn and take private property from one
individual, and sell it, at a profit, to another individual who wants to use it for a
purpose that promises more tax revenue.
Other urbanites are discovering that state-required local planning controls
the use of their private property. Land held for years, in hopes that
development would appreciate the value into a retirement nest-egg, can be devalued
instantly by a line on a zoning map, drawn by an uncaring bureaucrat, to conform
with a vision hatched by a sustainable community consultant.
A free society
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U.S. Needs Independence From the U.N.
Tom DeWeese
Tuesday, July 1, 2003
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What America needs is a Declaration of Independence from the United Nations.
In 2000, on behalf of the American Policy Center, I personally delivered
almost 1 million signed Declaration of Independence petitions to House Speaker
Dennis Hastert during the U.N. Millennium Summit. It was a good start and
demonstrated significant support, but getting America out of the U.N. will only
happen when enough Americans have joined together to apply the pressure Congress
will require before it takes action.
There is no better time than now. Americans should flood Capitol Hill with
petitions, letters, e-mails and phone calls in support of legislation such as
Ron Paul's American Sovereignty Restoration Act (H.R. 1146) to end U.S.
membership in the United Nations.
Within this passed year, the U.N. has shown itself to be a very foolish
organization. It shot itself in the foot in front of millions of Americans. And
everyday, more insanity comes out of the U.N. More Americans now understand the
evil of this organization and the threat it brings to us all. It is the threat
to America's sovereignty.
In the days ahead, you can count on France and Germany to take more
outrageous actions in the U.N. against the United States. The nation will see it and,
finally, even some members of Congress will begin to see the danger.
Get the United States out of the United Nations and get the United Nations
out of the United States. It's not a cliche; it is a rallying call to action. As
with all great efforts to resist evil, you may say that you are tired of
signing petitions, sending letters, making phone calls. You may believe that it
does no good. You may want to quit the fight.
For many, it has been a long, hard fight. It's often been a lonely fight.
Sometimes it has felt like a hopeless fight, but I want you to remember the
seemingly hopeless odds our Founding Fathers faced against the tyranny that
threatened them. They faced the strongest military force in the world. They faced
financial ruin. They faced death.
Imagine how alone those 40 farmers felt as they stood on the Green at
Lexington, facing a force of British soldiers. Imagine how discouraged George
Washington felt in the miserable cold at Valley Forge as his army froze with no food,
no shelter and no shoes. Imagine yourself at Independence Hall in
Philadelphia with Thomas Jefferson and John Adams as they prepared to sign a document
that could well lead to the hanging tree.
Our Founding Fathers faced it all. They didn't know what you and I know. They
didn't know how it would turn out, but they did know that they had to move
forward. They knew they couldn't turn back because they understood that tyranny
was worse than dying on the battlefield or hanging from the gallows.
Today, we are threatened by a tyranny that hates all that our Founding
Fathers achieved.
The United Nations and its supporters seek to take the wealth created by the
system of free markets the Founding Fathers knew would be the engine of the
world's economy.
The U.N. is driving to lock up the private property the Founding Fathers knew
was the key to every American's liberty.
Just as with King George, the U.N. seeks to do away with an American justice
system that is the fairest in the world. Already with its own court system,
the U.N. now seeks its own army and its own tax system. It will lead to a global
IRS and a global police force.
It will be a global government elected by no one on earth. Power-mad
special-interest groups called non-government organizations will control the U.N. A
new Dark Age of ignorance and serfdom is waiting if the U.S. does not take
action to withdraw its blessing and its support. When the U.S. does withdraw its
support, the U.N. will be assigned to the trash heap of history just as the
League of Nations was.
Let's celebrate American independence by freeing America from the duplicity
of the United Nations and the bewildering maze of treaties, protocols and
conventions that exercise
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THE BILL OF RIGHTS
The First 10 Amendments to the
Constitution as Ratified by the States
December 15, 1791
Preamble
Congress OF THE United States
begun and held at the City of New York, on Wednesday
the Fourth of March, one thousand seven hundred and eighty nine.
THE Conventions of a number of the States having at the time of their adopting
the
Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of
its
powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as
extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best insure the
beneficent ends of its institution
RESOLVED by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of
America,
in Congress assembled, two thirds of both Houses concurring, that the following
Articles be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States, as Amendments to
the
Constitution of the United States, all or any of which Articles, when ratified by
three fourths of the said Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and purposes,
as
part of the said Constitution; viz.:
ARTICLES in addition to, and Amendment of the Constitution of the United States
of
America, proposed by Congress, and ratified by the Legislatures of the several
States,
pursuant to the fifth Article of the original Constitution.
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the
free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the
right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress
of grievances.
Amendment II
A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of
the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.
Amendment III
No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of
the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,
against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants
shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and
particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be
seized.
Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on
a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or
naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public
danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in
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against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of
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Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public
trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been
committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be
informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses
against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to
have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
Amendment VII
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the
right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be
otherwise reexamined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of
the common law.
Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and
unusual
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Actually, this is something I've wanted to pursue for a long time...after
all, what's good for the goose is good for the gander, right? Why is is
automatically assumed to be racism to suggest something like this?
Click on the link at the bottom for more info.
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Arsenal Uncovered
Suspect Linked to Extremist Movement
by Winston Smith
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Los Angeles - A joint task force of federal agents and state police
raided the home of a Santa Monica man Saturday, uncovering an arsenal
of illegal books and other media.
It's astounding, said Police Chief John Lynch at a press conference
Tuesday. I've never seen so many books in my life. It was a virtual
library.
Chief Lynch described a entire room filled wall to wall with books
and magazines. In one room officers discovered a computer, printer
and thousands of pages of printing paper. The discovery of the
computer-printer setup prompted evacuation of the neighborhood while
EOD teams rendered the device inactive.
Officers and federal agents stood in front of stacks of seized books
and magazines at Tuesday's press conference. A leather bound 1400
page copy of War and Peace was the centerpiece of the exhibit. Among
the books on display were military field manuals and books on
military history.
These military-style books are instruments of war, plain and
simple, said Special Agent Gregory Kahn. They have no recreational
purpose. They have no legitimate civilian use.
We're still counting them - we have no idea how many books we're
dealing with, said Detective-Sergeant Gary Knowles, another member
of the task force. I'm just glad we got them off the street. Nobody
needs that many books. It's scary the kind of stuff people have in
their homes.
On Monday, agents wearing space-age HAZMAT suits were still removing
books from the house. Asked what would become of the contraband,
Agent Kahn stated that it would be destroyed in a specially built
incinerator.
The suspect, 43 year old John Benjamin, is being held without bail
pending charges. His arraignment is scheduled for next month.
Neighbors and co-workers described a quiet, polite man.
I'd never suspect him of something like this, said community
resident Charles Lamb. He was always so nice. This is a complete
shock.
Sources close to the investigation tell the Times that Benjamin has
been linked to the controversial National Reading Association, an
extremist group which encourages private possession of literature.
The ACLU believes that the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution
guarantees the right to read and print literature. The Times was
unable to obtain a copy of the Constitution for this article, but is
submitting a Freedom of Information Act request to access the
document.
Terrorism expert and author Brian Simmons told the Times that groups
such as the ACLU are magnets for disturbed individuals like Benjamin.
This interpretation of the Constitution is very common among the
political fringes, said Mr. Simmons. But history just isn't on
their side. The First Amendment was intended to protect the right of
major newspapers and libraries. It's absurd to think that they [the
framers] would have wanted private possession of word processing
software and home printers.
Book collectors like Benjamin, Simmons said, suffer from a deep
rooted psychological neurosis which drives them to stockpile books.
Who needs this many books? He couldn't possibly read them all.
People like Mr. Benjamin do it because they feel inadequate. Reading
makes them feel smarter, and publishing their thoughts makes them
feel important.
Raids of this type have sparked a nationwide debate over the millions
unregistered books possessed illegally in the U.S. Under U.S. law,
only deactivated and replica books are available to the general
public, though in some places they are legal for retired librarians
and journalists. Until last year, books printed before 1986 could
still be legally possessed by someone willing to submit to a
background check and pay a $200 per book, per year tax.
One of Benjamin's neighbors, retired army Colonel Vince Scott,
questioned the wisdom of book prohibition.
When I was a kid, everyone owned a book, most people more than one,
said Scott. There were book stores on every corner. You could even
go to a library and they'd give you a book.
Judy Bliss, spokesman for the D.C.-based non profit lobbying
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Just In Time For Independence Day
By Chuck Baldwin
June 6, 2003
A few years ago, I sadly discovered that it was next to impossible
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Decisions made in the next few months will determine to a great extent
whether the United States of America remains a free, constitutional republic or
yields its freedom to the rule of international law administered by the United
Nations, according to the May issue of WorldNetDaily's acclaimed monthly
Whistleblower magazine.
Indeed, says the eye-opening edition, titled THE NEW WORLD RE-ORDER, the
long battle between globalists and those committed to U.S. sovereignty is coming
to a head.
For the past decade, the United States government has, with few exceptions,
consistently yielded to the will of the international community. But that
pattern changed dramatically on March 17, when President George W. Bush and
British Prime Minister Tony Blair slammed shut the window of diplomacy on the
United Nations and went forth with a coalition of the willing to liberate Iraq.
The United Nations and much of the rest of the world went ballistic,
demanding the U.S. recognize and submit to the U.N.'s authority. That impasse in the
Security Council, played out in the worldwide media, demonstrated viscerally
the inevitable collision that has been brewing between the U.S. and the U.N.
May's Whistleblower, perhaps as never before, shines the powerful light of
investigative journalism on the United Nations and its globalist agenda. From
radical environmental treaties that would eviscerate traditional property
rights, to attempts at global gun control, to resolutions aimed at establishing
international gay rights, the United Nations is the hub of an effort to
restructure the world in the most radical ways imaginable. The May issue includes:
Time to renounce the United Nations? by U.S. Rep. Ron Paul
The rise of global governance, an extensive timeline documenting, among
other things, the major role of the Council on Foreign Relations in promoting
world government
The New World Re-Order by Henry Lamb, showing how the battle between U.S.
sovereignty and U.N. globalism is at a critical point
The U.N.'s global kangaroo court, on why the International Criminal Court
is more likely to prosecute George W. Bush or Tony Blair than Saddam Hussein,
by Mary Jo Anderson
Global 'gay' rights, by Art Moore, documenting how U.N. participants are
attempting to institute a worldwide homosexual-rights agenda
Structure of global government by Joan Veon, explaining the difficulties
the U.S. would face if it attempted to pull out of the multi-tentacled United
Nations
U.N. coming for your guns by Sarah Foster, comprehensively documenting how
private groups and governments have teamed up to attempt to restrict the use
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Quit the U.N. by WND Editor and founder Joseph Farah
Why the U.N. can never bring peace by Bob Just, a look at the underlying
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God and the United Nations by Rev. Nate Atwood, on what the Bible says
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Your ill spent tax dollars
The United States gives out $13.3 billion tax dollars in direct Foreign Aid
annually. The United States is above and beyond the single most generous
benefactor of the United Nations, donating $2.4 billion dollars of YOUR
money, to primarily third-world dictators.
This amount is 25% of the United Nations budget. In addition, the United
States also gives another $1.4 billion tax dollars to United Nations'
programs and agencies. The American taxpayers fund more for the United
Nations than ALL of the other 177 member nations COMBINED.
What most Americans do not realize is that the vast majority of the
recipients of the of US Foreign Aid routinely vote against the wishes of
the United States in the United Nations at an average rate of 74%. In other
words, of the $13.3 billion tax dollars invested in direct Foreign Aid only
about 26% or $3.5 billion went to support people who endorsed American
initiatives or causes. A staggering $9.8 billion tax dollars went to causes
and people who were and are in open and direct opposition to the United
States' interests and objectives.
Listed below are the actual voting records of various Arabic/Islamic States
which are recorded in both the U.S. State Department and United Nations'
records:
Kuwait votes against the United States 67% of the time.
Qatar votes against the United States 67% of the time.
Morocco votes against the United States 70% of the time.
United Arab Emirates votes against the U. S. 70% of the time.
Jordan votes against the United States 71% of the time.
Tunisia votes against the United States 71% of the time.
Saudi Arabia votes against the United States 73% of the time.
Yemen votes against the United States 74% of the time.
Algeria votes against the United States 74% of the time.
Oman votes against the United States 74% of the time.
Sudan votes against the United States 75% of the time.
Pakistan votes against the United States 75% of the time.
Libya votes against the United States 76% of the time.
Egypt votes against the United States 79% of the time.
Lebanon votes against the United States 80% of the time.
India votes against the United States 81% of the time.
Syria votes against the United States 84% of the time.
Mauritania votes against the United States 87% of the time.
US Foreign Aid to those that hate us:
Egypt, for example, after voting 79% of the time against the United States,
still receives $2 billion annually in US Foreign Aid.
Jordan votes 71% against the United States and receives $192,814,000
annually in US Foreign Aid.
Pakistan votes 75% against the United States receives $6,721,000 annually
in US Foreign Aid.
India votes 81% against the United States receives $143,699,000 annually in
US Foreign Aid.
In the last year The Taliban terrorized the people of Afghanistan and gave
safe haven to Osama Bin Laden, they received $143,000,000 in US Foreign Aid.
Sudan voted 75% against the United States and received $1,121,000 in US
Foreign Aid. (The US State Department stated that the Sudanese government
is guilty of providing a safe haven for a variety of terrorist groups
including Osama Bin Laden's organization, The Egyptian Jihad, The
Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and Hamas. The Islamic government has also
conducted a literal reign of terror against the Christians living in the
southern part of the country.)
The Palestinian Authority will receive $500 million dollars in US Foreign
Aid over the next five years(!!!) This happened due to the OsloAgreement
of 1993, a deal which was endorsed and avidly supported by now New York
Senator Hillary Clinton, who was then First Lady.
The Clinton Administration sought to establish good relations with
terrorist groups despite their support of terrorism and anti-Western stances.
The Palestinians were seen on ABC News openly celebrating and dancing in
the streets at the news of both suicide bombings on Sept. 11th.
Israel, it must be noted, receives three billion in US Foreign
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With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff
For the story behind the story...
Wednesday, April 2, 2003 10:20 p.m. EST
'U.S. out of U.N.' Movement Gains Momentum
WASHINGTON - The United Nations, which has been infringing on American
sovereignty for years while relying on America as its biggest cash cow, may
now find that America won't take it anymore.
Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, has reintroduced his legislation effectively
telling that tower of Babel on the East River, Adios, you're out of here,
and take your Marxist goo-goos with you.
In the past, Paul has managed to get between 30 and 40 of his colleagues to
go along with his plan. This year, however, there is popular anger at the
U.N., which has bowed to America's enemies and so-called allies in
denying support for our action against Iraq.
We hope to mine that discontent, a spokesman for the congressman told
NewsMax.com Washington correspondent Wes Vernon
In 2003, HR 1146, The American Sovereignty Restoration Act, as it is
called, is gaining support in quarters that were not thought to be
sympathetic in the past.
The measure would end all U.S. participation in the U.N. and expel the
organization from its taxpayer-subsidized New York headquarters.
Our current situation in Iraq shows we cannot allow U.S. national security
to become a matter of international consensus, Paul stated. We don't need
U.N. permission to go to war; only Congress can declare war under our
Constitution.
The maverick congressman added: The Constitution does not permit the
delegation of congressional duties to international bodies. The decision to
send American troops into harm's way cannot be made by international
bureaucrats.
In the past, such sentiments have been written off as isolationist, a
term tossed around by woolly-headed internationalists who can't discuss the
substance of a given foreign policy issue. But after the U.N.'s disgraceful
handling of the Iraq threat, that doesn't fly anymore.
In a NewsMax interview last month, author Bill Kristol (The War Over
Iraq) told Vernon that he would be open to the idea of ending America's
relationship with the world body. That was a significant statement coming
from an analyst whose family members - before the wild and crazy 1960s -
were Hubert Humphrey Democrats who were very much behind the U.N.
Rep. Paul's concerns go far beyond the U.N.'s failure to follow up on its
own resolutions on the bloodthirsty Iraqi regime. Much of his concern, in
fact, gets closer to home.
The U.N. increasingly wants to influence our environmental, trade, labor,
tax and gun laws, he contends. Its global planners simply aren't
interested in our Constitution and republican form of government.
The choice, says Paul, is very clear. We either follow the Constitution
and republican form of government or submit to global governance. American
national sovereignty cannot survive if we allow our domestic laws to be
crafted by an international body.
This isn't just another politician sounding off for the cameras. In fact,
the Texas Republican (and one-time Libertarian Party presidential
candidate) has a wealth of expert opinion on his side.
Noted constitutional scholar Herb Titus has thoroughly researched the
United Nations and its so-called authority and finds that the U.N.
charter is not a treaty at all. Rather, he says, it is a blueprint for
supranational government that directly violates the U.S. Constitution.
In other words, the Charter - though sacred to one-worlders for over a half
century - is neither politically nor legally binding upon the American
people or government.
Here's Congressman Paul's bottom line: The U.N. has no authority to make
'laws' that bind American citizens, because it does not derive its power
from the consent of the American people.
Legions of U.S. combat veterans and a growing number of lawmakers now
agree: Based on experiences in Korea and Vietnam, U.S. forces should fight
under the American flag and only when called to defend America's
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Posted: March 20, 2003
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America is beginning to see it. There's no place for the United States in
the United Nations. As I say in my new book, A
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Back/A, it's time
for all Americans to stand up tall against the march toward global political
and economic unions that afford the American people no accountability, that
recognize no inalienable rights and that create supranational governments
that can only lead to tyranny on a worldwide scale. Globalism represents
government encroachment's final frontier. Having proved itself totally
incapable of guarding individual rights, personal freedom and national
sovereignty even under the best of circumstances, as in the United States,
globalists intend to take their social-engineering and wealth-transfer
experiments worldwide. By definition, it is un-American to submit sovereign
citizens of the United States to laws, treaties, regulations and foreign
authorities to which they have no accountability. Last time I checked, we
Americans don't elect any representatives to the United Nations or any other
global body. World government is a profoundly un-American idea. And, worse
yet, the global conspirators â and there is simply no other way to describe
them â are planning to hand over control of our lives and livelihoods to
worldwide authorities who would like nothing better than to see America
knocked down a notch or two, all in the name of leveling the playing field.
They'll use any means necessary to get us there â including lying about and
hyping crises, both real and imagined, such as global warming, AIDS and
overpopulation. They are all just means to an end. And what is that end? It's
the further centralization and consolidation of power â this time on a
worldwide scale. That's what all these multinational treaties are really
about. They are moving us toward global governance â away from the
constitutional principles and foundations of the American republic, away from
limited government, away from checks and balances. Many Americans still buy
the lie that only a worldwide body such as the United Nations can really move
the world closer to peace. It's not only the latest developments that show
that to be a lie. The track record of the international body over many years
is abysmal to say the least. For example, remember the horror of the Rwanda
tribal genocide in 1994? In a few months, as many as 1 million people were
killed. Who was the United Nations secretary-general back then? It was an
Egyptian by the name of Boutros Boutros-Ghali. He and the U.N. were
criticized for standing by while the slaughter took place. But less known is
the fact that Boutros-Ghali actually played a leading role in supplying
weapons to the Hutu regime that carried out the campaign of genocide against
the Tutsi tribe during his tenure as top executive at the U.N. As minister of
foreign affairs in Egypt, Boutros-Ghali facilitated an arms deal in 1990,
which was to result in $26 million of mortar bombs, rocket launchers,
grenades and ammunition being flown from Cairo to Rwanda. The arms were used
by Hutus in attacks which led to up to a million deaths. And that's really
the problem with these international government bodies. The U.N. is not just,
as many Americans suspect, a group of incompetent busybodies. It is, instead,
a global criminal enterprise determined to shift power away from individuals
and sovereign nation-states to a small band of unaccountable international
elites. Here are some of the ways the U.N. has tread on U.S. sovereignty in
recent years:
The U.N. has designated American geographic wonders from Niagara Falls to the
Grand Canyon to Lake Tahoe as World Heritage Areas, and instructed the
citizens of the United States on how we should behave around these
international treasures.
The United States Army has, in
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Congress Could Overturn Roe v Wade Anytime It Wanted To
By Chuck Baldwin
March 21, 2003
Once again, the Congress of the United States is demonstrating
supreme evasion of responsibility. Even as it has catapulted its
constitutional duties in relation to the declaration of war, so it is
evading its constitutional responsibility in relation to the killing of
unborn babies.
Since the Supreme Court issued its infamous ruling legalizing
abortion-on-demand thirty years ago, more than forty million
innocent, unborn children have been mercilessly and
systematically dismembered, decapitated, and chemically burned
alive via various abortion procedures. Their silent screams have
certainly been heard by a righteous God. However, those screams
have not been heard by members of the United States Congress.
Adding insult to injury is an announcement by House Majority
Leader Tom Delay. The Washington Times reports that Delay is
threatening to use congressional authority to remove federal
court's jurisdiction to rule on the Pledge of Allegiance if the
Supreme Court does not overturn an appeals court decision that
bars children from reciting the Pledge in school.
The Times quotes Delay as saying, Congress for so long has been
lax in standing up for the Constitution. (Now, that's the
understatement of the year!) Delay continued by saying, We
[Congress] could limit the jurisdiction of the judicial branch. He
is exactly right.
Article III, Section 2, of the U.S. Constitution clearly gives
Congress the authority to limit and define the Court's power. It
states, In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court
shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with
such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall
make. What could be clearer?
Mr. Delay is one hundred percent accurate when he says Congress
can remove the Pledge issue from the Court and thus overturn the
appeals court's decision to remove the Pledge of Allegiance from
our public schools. However, the insult is that neither Delay, nor
any other congressman, proposes to do the same thing regarding
the abortion issue.
Once again, the Congress of the United States seems more
concerned about rhetoric than substance. Not saying the Pledge
tortures and kills no child, sheds no blood, stops no beating heart.
Yet, abortion does all of that. However, when it comes to abortion,
there is no call in Congress to limit the jurisdiction of the judicial
branch.
Saddam Hussein has reportedly murdered some one hundred
thousand people in Iraq over the past few decades. (It is more than
interesting that abortion is illegal in Iraq.) We are currently waging
war against Iraq in an effort to depose him. We need to realize,
however, that the United States government has authorized the
murder of more than forty million unborn babies and there is no
serious effort being made by Congress or the White House to stop
it.
Furthermore, passing a partial birth abortion ban will do nothing to
save babies from the abortionist's scalpel. In fact, the bill recently
passed in the U.S. Senate includes an amendment which actually
strengthens Roe v Wade!
The increasing encroachment of liberty by both the federal court
system and the White House is directly caused by an impotent,
cowardly Congress that has abdicated its responsibility both to the
Constitution and to the American people.
Congress could overturn Roe v Wade anytime it wanted to.
Obviously, the reason it doesn't is because it doesn't want to!
Remember that the next time you hear these pretending pro-life
congressmen rant about how much they abhor abortion.
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Un-Constitutional Expenditures
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Human Events recently published a report on the A
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Government Programs/A. It´s sad that Human Events could find enough material to
put this list together, and sadder still that this list was not compiled by
Congress and then handled appropriately.The programs identified in this
report were included because they did not have a mandate to exist from the
U.S. Constitution. You see, our Constitution defines not only our values as a
people, but sets boundaries for our government. The founders knew all too
well that a government which was too big, unrestrained and unaccountable,
could be the enemy of freedom. The Constitution was set up not so much to
enumerate the rights of individuals (Ninth Amendment) as to limit the powers
of government. The Tenth Amendment says:
âThe powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor
prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or
to the people.â
The majority of people in government today act as if this amendment did not
exist. It was quite clear to most people for the majority of America´s
history that unless the Constitution specifically stated the federal
government could or should be doing something, that the government should NOT
be doing it. That has been twisted in modern thinking to mean, âIf the
Constitution doesn´t specifically prohibit an action, then the government can
do it.â This is a direct and egregious perversion of our Constitution! In â
The Life of Colonel David Crockett,â there is a story of how Congressman
Crockett exercised what he had learned about limited government. Once, there
was a bill before the House to appropriate money for the widow of a
distinguished naval officer. It seemed that everyone would vote in favor of
it until Crockett spoke:
âMr. Speaker â I have as much respect for the memory of the deceased, and
as much sympathy for the sufferings of the living, if suffering there be,
as any man in this House, but we must not permit our respect for the dead
or our sympathy for a part of the living to lead us into an act of
injustice to the balance of the living. I will not go into an argument to
prove that Congress has no power to appropriate this money as an act of
charity. Every member upon this floor knows it. We have the right, as
individuals, to give away as much of our own money as we please in charity;
but as members of Congress we have no right so to appropriate a dollar of
the public moneyâ¦We have not the semblance of authority to appropriate it
as a charity. Mr. Speaker, I have said we have the right to give as much
money of our own as we please. I am the poorest man on this floor. I cannot
vote for this bill, but I will give one week's pay to the object, and if
every member of Congress will do the same, it will amount to more than the
bill asks.â
There was another earlier account in that story where Crockett actually
learned his lesson after voting for a bill to appropriate $20,000 for the
victims of a fire in Georgetown. Crockett, caught up in the emotion of the
situation, voted for the measure, which later failed. It was not until
re-election time that a constituent reminded him that he had no
Constitutional authority for such a measure. When the constituent had
finished explaining this to him, Crockett had to admit he was wrong, and
apologized to his constituent, pledging never to vote for an unconstitutional
measure ever again.Oh, if we only had men of this caliber in Congress today!
If we did, we would have more freedom, a better society, and more money in
the pockets of the people who earned it. There would be greater innovation in
our businesses and greater productivity in our workers. There would be less
corruption in government and more responsible decisions
[CTRL] Attack on Iraq Begins
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The U.N. is a bad idea
WASHINGTON--War precipitates clarity as well as confusion, and the war
against Iraq already has clarified this: The United Nations is not a good
idea badly implemented, it is a bad idea.For France, and for the U.N. through
which France magnifies its own significance, the objective of disarming Iraq,
if ever seriously held, has been superseded by the objective of frustrating
America. And for America, the imperative of disarming Iraq will soon be
supplanted by the imperative of insulating U.S. sovereignty from U.N.
hubris.Certain political phrases become, through mindless repetition, cant
that bewitches the intelligence. One such phrase is ``the international
community,'' which is oxymoronic because ``community'' denotes unity based on
shared political interests and cultural values. And beware of political
entities absurdly named. Just as the Holy Roman Empire was neither holy nor
Roman nor an empire, the U.N. is a disunited collection of regimes, many of
which do not represent the nations they govern.The U.N. is premodern because
it is unaccountable and irresponsible: It claims power not legitimized by the
recurring consent of periodically consulted constituencies of the governed.
Inebriated by self-approval, the U.N. is grounded in neither democratic
consent nor territorial responsibilities, nor independent fiscal means, nor
the material means of enforcing its judgments.The U.N. should contemplate the
prudence required of the U.S. Supreme Court. The court's power flows from the
public's deference, which depends on the court accepting a limited role amid
powerful political forces. The court has occasionally imperiled its authority
by overreaching, as when it tried to settle the slavery controversy with the
Dred Scott decision, and when it tried to stem powerful political tides by
finding constitutional infirmities in major New Deal measures. France, by
attempting to lasso the American locomotive with the cobwebs of U.N.
procedures, has emboldened Iraq and made war inevitable, much as the Dred
Scott decision lit the fuse of war.France wants to use the U.N. to acquire
derivative dignity in a ``multipolar'' world with blocs of nations comparable
to America in economic vigor, military power and political will. France
evidently believes such blocs can be summoned into existence because their
existence would be convenient. Remember the joke about the economist trapped
at the bottom of a well. ``No problem,'' he thinks. ``I'll assume a
ladder.''France would be well-advised to avoid the subject of other potential
powers. With India already the most populous democracy and soon to be the
most populous nation, with its population growing more in a week than the
entire European Union's grows in a year, why exactly is France (population 60
million) a permanent member of the Security Council? What of the largest
Latin American nation (Brazil, 176 million), or the largest East Asian
democracy (Japan, 127 million), or the largest Islamic nation (Indonesia, 231
million)?Reverence for the U.N. translates into resistance to change.
Liberals eager to be the definers of true conservatism say that once liberal
institutions have been put in place it is unconservative not to conserve the
institutions.But it is reactionary, not conservative, to preserve the status
quo of NATO 15 years after the end of the Cold War. Or of the U.N. Security
Council, which is a snapshot of 1945 delusions and compromises. Both,
liberals seem to believe, are of undiminished utility and authority.
Actually, both call to mind Churchill's story of the man who received a
telegram saying his mother-in-law had died and asking for instructions. The
man wired back: ``Embalm, cremate, bury at sea. Take no chances.''Liberals,
who call conservative hostility to the U.N. ``radical,'' disregard the
recklessness, and the incoherence, of the U.N.'s new presumption.
[CTRL] {attack} Congressman Ron Paul for President 2004 (fwd)
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Subject: {attack} Congressman Ron Paul for President 2004
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[CTRL] Attack of the Violent Vaudevillians
-Caveat Lector- URL @ Bottom Politically Incorrect Movie Reviews Gangs of New York by RadioFree Rocky D Published 12. 29. 02 at 19:15 Sierra Time Cast: Leonardo DiCaprio (Amsterdam) pouting, scowling, violent drunken Irishman. Daniel Day Lewis (Bill The Butcher) knife-wielding violent drunken Irishman. Cameron Diaz (Jenny) cleavage-wielding violent drunken Irishwoman. Liam Neeson (Priest) cross-wielding violent drunken Irishman. Brendan Gleeson (McGinn) cudgel-wielding drunken Irishman. Henry Thomas (Johnny) tattletale drunken Irishman. Micheal Byrne (Horace Greeley) Abe Lincolns buddy who publishes stories about drunken Irishmen.. Jim Broadbent (Boss Tweed) crooked politician drunken Irishmen. Roger Ashton Griffiths (P.T Barnum) knows theres a drunken Irishman born every minute. Charles Dickens meets Braveheart in 19th century New York City as the biggest, bloodiest and bawdiest movie of the year, Gangs Of New York hits the screen harder than a right uppercut from an irate Irishman. The year is 1863, and in New York City all the Irishmen are drunken clods who beat the stuffins out of one another, the streets are caked with blood and crowded with prostitutes, the politicians are corrupt, the cops are on the take and all the New Yorkers are racists. So basically, what Im saying here is that in 140 years not much changed. Old Irish saying #1: Fad saol agat, gob fliuch, agus bas in Eirinn (Long life to you, a wet mouth, and death in Ireland). Gangs ONY is easily the bloodiest film to come out of Hollyweirds blame-it-on- whitey-factory in a long time (not including slasher films, which are supposed to be that way). Dont dare blink while watching Gangs ONY or you may miss another incensed Irishman whacking some other oafish Irishman upside his noggin or slicing him up like corned beef. These are the immigrants and the sons of immigrants from Northwest Europe, and we all know how evil those places are. Plus, they come here at a time when Big Brother Guvmint Welfare is not there to rescue them from immediate poverty, which we all know is an excuse for violent criminal behavior. Poor people and new immigrants to this country are really peace-loving pacifists, but they are forced into a life of violent crime by evil Capitalist Americans who seek only to take advantage of them. The answer to this is a more socialist America, where no one is allowed to have more stuff than another (Hollyweird Capitalists excepted). I know this, because Hollyweird tells me so. Old Irish saying #2: Go maire sibh bhur saol nua (May you enjoy your new life). It is odd, however, to see a Hollyweird movie touch on the fact that not everyone in the North in 1863 liked President Abe Lincoln. He was, in fact, heartily made fun of and often looked at as a fool for usurping the Constitution of the United States by not recognizing the Southern States right to secede. Newspapers of the day wrote articles scorning Lincolns famed Gettysburg Address for inaccuracies and political puffery. It was not for another 60 years long after everyone who actually knew ol dishonest Abe was long since dead that history-revisionists rewrote Lincoln into hero status. People in the North and the South in 1863 knew that the War Between The States was unnecessary. For a great book that makes the case for Southern secession, check out When In The Course Of Human Events, by Charles Adams. He really rips into the Gettysburg Address in that one. The PC pops out of Gangs ONY like a cork from an Irish whiskey bottle. In this story, there are good drunken Irishmen and bad drunken Irishmen. Only the bad drunken Irishmen say scurrilous things about President Lincoln. One of them even throws a knife at Lincolns picture; lodging a meat cleaver smack dab in the middle of Abes bushy eyebrows. These are the same bad drunken Irishmen who do not want anymore foreigners Irish or otherwise to land on the shores of the mighty USA. Bill The Butcher is the leader of these Natives. Natives as in the real definition of Native American; i.e., one who is born on American soil. Im surprised that the Hollyweird PC thought-police let that one slip through. Old Irish saying #3: Fad saol agat, gob fliuch, agus bas in Eirinn (Long life to you, a wet mouth, and death in Ireland). Additionally, the good-guy drunken Irishmen befriend a black man. The bad- guy drunken Irishmen hang them. Yeesh. Im guessing Spike Lee wrote that part in. This, of course, entitles this lone minority the sacred minority status; wherein he will be endowed with angelic qualities. The drunken Irishmen who were born in the USA and who want to stop massive immigration are portrayed as racist-bigot-sexist-homophobic-xenophobes. Even the wealthier of the Natives have abusive and exploitive plans for these new American wannabes. Bad immigrant-exploiting
Re: [CTRL] Attack of the Violent Vaudevillians
-Caveat Lector- I thought deconstructionism was dead You know this movie is based on real happenings in new york? The gang wars, the draft riots, etc were all real, and all far more violent than anything we have going on today, yes - even in new york. on 12/30/02 4:32 AM, Euphorian at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- URL @ Bottom Politically Incorrect Movie Reviews Gangs of New York by RadioFree Rocky D Published 12. 29. 02 at 19:15 Sierra Time Cast: Leonardo DiCaprio (Amsterdam) pouting, scowling, violent drunken Irishman. Daniel Day Lewis (Bill The Butcher) knife-wielding violent drunken Irishman. Cameron Diaz (Jenny) cleavage-wielding violent drunken Irishwoman. Liam Neeson (Priest) cross-wielding violent drunken Irishman. Brendan Gleeson (McGinn) cudgel-wielding drunken Irishman. Henry Thomas (Johnny) tattletale drunken Irishman. Micheal Byrne (Horace Greeley) Abe Lincolns buddy who publishes stories about drunken Irishmen.. Jim Broadbent (Boss Tweed) crooked politician drunken Irishmen. Roger Ashton Griffiths (P.T Barnum) knows theres a drunken Irishman born every minute. Charles Dickens meets Braveheart in 19th century New York City as the biggest, bloodiest and bawdiest movie of the year, Gangs Of New York hits the screen harder than a right uppercut from an irate Irishman. The year is 1863, and in New York City all the Irishmen are drunken clods who beat the stuffins out of one another, the streets are caked with blood and crowded with prostitutes, the politicians are corrupt, the cops are on the take and all the New Yorkers are racists. So basically, what Im saying here is that in 140 years not much changed. Old Irish saying #1: Fad saol agat, gob fliuch, agus bas in Eirinn (Long life to you, a wet mouth, and death in Ireland). Gangs ONY is easily the bloodiest film to come out of Hollyweirds blame-it-on- whitey-factory in a long time (not including slasher films, which are supposed to be that way). Dont dare blink while watching Gangs ONY or you may miss another incensed Irishman whacking some other oafish Irishman upside his noggin or slicing him up like corned beef. These are the immigrants and the sons of immigrants from Northwest Europe, and we all know how evil those places are. Plus, they come here at a time when Big Brother Guvmint Welfare is not there to rescue them from immediate poverty, which we all know is an excuse for violent criminal behavior. Poor people and new immigrants to this country are really peace-loving pacifists, but they are forced into a life of violent crime by evil Capitalist Americans who seek only to take advantage of them. The answer to this is a more socialist America, where no one is allowed to have more stuff than another (Hollyweird Capitalists excepted). I know this, because Hollyweird tells me so. Old Irish saying #2: Go maire sibh bhur saol nua (May you enjoy your new life). It is odd, however, to see a Hollyweird movie touch on the fact that not everyone in the North in 1863 liked President Abe Lincoln. He was, in fact, heartily made fun of and often looked at as a fool for usurping the Constitution of the United States by not recognizing the Southern States right to secede. Newspapers of the day wrote articles scorning Lincolns famed Gettysburg Address for inaccuracies and political puffery. It was not for another 60 years long after everyone who actually knew ol dishonest Abe was long since dead that history-revisionists rewrote Lincoln into hero status. People in the North and the South in 1863 knew that the War Between The States was unnecessary. For a great book that makes the case for Southern secession, check out When In The Course Of Human Events, by Charles Adams. He really rips into the Gettysburg Address in that one. The PC pops out of Gangs ONY like a cork from an Irish whiskey bottle. In this story, there are good drunken Irishmen and bad drunken Irishmen. Only the bad drunken Irishmen say scurrilous things about President Lincoln. One of them even throws a knife at Lincolns picture; lodging a meat cleaver smack dab in the middle of Abes bushy eyebrows. These are the same bad drunken Irishmen who do not want anymore foreigners Irish or otherwise to land on the shores of the mighty USA. Bill The Butcher is the leader of these Natives. Natives as in the real definition of Native American; i.e., one who is born on American soil. Im surprised that the Hollyweird PC thought-police let that one slip through. Old Irish saying #3: Fad saol agat, gob fliuch, agus bas in Eirinn (Long life to you, a wet mouth, and death in Ireland). Additionally, the good-guy drunken Irishmen befriend a black man. The bad- guy drunken Irishmen hang them. Yeesh. Im guessing Spike Lee wrote that part in. This, of course,
[CTRL] Attack Iran the day Iraq war ends, demands Israel
-Caveat Lector- http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-469972,00.html November 05, 2002 Attack Iran the day Iraq war ends, demands Israel From Stephen Farrell, Robert Thomson and Danielle Haas ISRAELS Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has called on the international community to target Iran as soon as the imminent conflict with Iraq is complete. In an interview with The Times, Mr Sharon insisted that Tehran one of the axis of evil powers identified by President Bush should be put under pressure the day after action against Baghdad ends because of its role as a centre of world terror. He also issued his clearest warning yet that Israel would strike back if attacked by Iraqi chemical or biological weapons, no matter how much Washington sought to keep its controversial Middle Eastern ally out of any war in Iraq. He made clear that western Iraq would be one of the first areas targeted by the US in any invasion, saying that lessons had been learnt from strategic mistakes of the 1991 Gulf War when Iraq successfully fired 39 Scud missiles into Israel. Mr Sharon, 74, was speaking as he conducted high-level negotiations to keep his Government afloat after the desertion of his centrist coalition partners. Last night he survived three no-confidence votes, giving him more time to forge a coalition with small right-wing parties. He rejected calls for early elections. The Knesset also approved the appointment of Shaul Mofaz, the hawkish former Israeli Army chief, as Defence Minister. But even as the Knesset voted, a Palestinian suicide bomber blew himself up inside a shopping centre in central Israel, killing at least one other person and injuring 20. In other significant changes of tone and policy, Mr Sharon told The Times that: Yassir Arafat, the Palestinian leader, could have an ongoing role as a symbol, but could not have a role overseeing financial or security functions. This was a departure from previous statements that Mr Arafat was entirely irrelevant. Mr Sharon himself would continue to lead the country, elections willing, for up to five years. There had been widespread speculation that he would retire within two years. The Israeli Government is considering an unprecedented crackdown on the Islamic movement within its own borders, fearing that a small minority of Israeli Arabs are turning against the country. He asserted that while Washington was inevitably focusing on Saddam Hussein whom he called insane the White House shared his concern that Iran was also seeking weapons of mass destruction, and developing missiles capable of striking Israel and even Europe. I talked about these things with Vladimir Putin a few days ago and I have been to Washington and one of the things I talked about was what will be (sic) later, if Iraq is going to be disarmed. One of the things I mentioned is that the free world should take all the necessary steps to prevent irresponsible countries from having weapons of mass destruction: Iran, Iraq of course, and Libya is working on a nuclear weapon. He accused Tehran of sponsoring the Lebanese Shia militia, Hezbollah, which he claimed had up to 10,000 short-range missiles stationed in Lebanon ready to strike Israeli towns, of smuggling weapons to the Palestinian Authority, and of trying to turn Israels one million Arab citizens against the Jewish state. Iran is a centre of world terror and Iran makes every effort to possess weapons of mass destruction on the one hand and ballistic missiles, he said. That is a danger to the Middle East, to Israel and a danger to Europe. They are working now on a ballistic missile of 1,300km. They have almost reached this range already. They were talking in the past about 2,500km and even 5,000km. Mr Sharon made it abundantly clear that he would not hold back from retaliating, as Israel did at Washingtons behest in 1991, if his nation came under serious attack. First, we understand the sensitivity. We are living here, we were born here. Israel will make every effort not to interfere, he said. But he warned: If Israel, and I made it very clear, is attacked by weapons of mass destruction . . . Israel will react. Is it clear? I believe that they understand that Israel will not be able not to defend itself. Mr Sharon reiterated that he was willing to work toward the eventual creation of a Palestinian state, but demanded that progress toward it be measured by concrete improvements in security on the ground. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity
[CTRL] Attack Iran the day Iraq war ends, demands Israel
-Caveat Lector- http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-469972,00.html November 05, 2002 Attack Iran the day Iraq war ends, demands Israel >From Stephen Farrell, Robert Thomson and Danielle Haas ISRAELâS Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has called on the international community to target Iran as soon as the imminent conflict with Iraq is complete. In an interview with The Times, Mr Sharon insisted that Tehran â one of the âaxis of evilâ powers identified by President Bush â should be put under pressure âthe day afterâ action against Baghdad ends because of its role as a âcentre of world terrorâ. He also issued his clearest warning yet that Israel would strike back if attacked by Iraqi chemical or biological weapons, no matter how much Washington sought to keep its controversial Middle Eastern ally out of any war in Iraq. He made clear that western Iraq would be one of the first areas targeted by the US in any invasion, saying that lessons had been learnt from strategic mistakes of the 1991 Gulf War when Iraq successfully fired 39 Scud missiles into Israel. Mr Sharon, 74, was speaking as he conducted high-level negotiations to keep his Government afloat after the desertion of his centrist coalition partners. Last night he survived three no-confidence votes, giving him more time to forge a coalition with small right-wing parties. He rejected calls for early elections. The Knesset also approved the appointment of Shaul Mofaz, the hawkish former Israeli Army chief, as Defence Minister. But even as the Knesset voted, a Palestinian suicide bomber blew himself up inside a shopping centre in central Israel, killing at least one other person and injuring 20. In other significant changes of tone and policy, Mr Sharon told The Times that: Yassir Arafat, the Palestinian leader, could have an ongoing role as a âsymbolâ, but could not have a role overseeing financial or security functions. This was a departure from previous statements that Mr Arafat was entirely âirrelevantâ. Mr Sharon himself would continue to lead the country, elections willing, for up to five years. There had been widespread speculation that he would retire within two years. The Israeli Government is considering an unprecedented crackdown on the Islamic movement within its own borders, fearing that a âsmall minorityâ of Israeli Arabs are turning against the country. He asserted that while Washington was inevitably focusing on Saddam Hussein â whom he called âinsaneâ â the White House shared his concern that Iran was also seeking weapons of mass destruction, and developing missiles capable of striking Israel and even Europe. âI talked about these things with Vladimir Putin a few days ago and I have been to Washington and one of the things I talked about was what will be (sic) later, if Iraq is going to be disarmed. âOne of the things I mentioned is that the free world should take all the necessary steps to prevent irresponsible countries from having weapons of mass destruction: Iran, Iraq of course, and Libya is working on a nuclear weapon.â He accused Tehran of sponsoring the Lebanese Shia militia, Hezbollah, which he claimed had up to 10,000 short-range missiles stationed in Lebanon ready to strike Israeli towns, of smuggling weapons to the Palestinian Authority, and of trying to turn Israelâs one million Arab citizens against the Jewish state. âIran is a centre of world terror and Iran makes every effort to possess weapons of mass destruction on the one hand and ballistic missiles,â he said. âThat is a danger to the Middle East, to Israel and a danger to Europe. âThey are working now on a ballistic missile of 1,300km. They have almost reached this range already. They were talking in the past about 2,500km and even 5,000km.â Mr Sharon made it abundantly clear that he would not hold back from retaliating, as Israel did at Washingtonâs behest in 1991, if his nation came under serious attack. âFirst, we understand the sensitivity. We are living here, we were born here. Israel will make every effort not to interfere,â he said. But he warned: âIf Israel, and I made it very clear, is attacked by weapons of mass destruction . . . Israel will react. Is it clear? I believe that they understand that Israel will not be able not to defend itself.â Mr Sharon reiterated that he was willing to work toward the eventual creation of a Palestinian state, but demanded that progress toward it be measured by concrete improvements in security on the ground. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects
[CTRL] Attack on Iraq May Fail
-Caveat Lector- From http://www.antiwar.com/orig/hunsinger1.html Many Ways the US Attack on Iraq May Fail by George Hunsinger October 12, 2002 Many supporters of the U.S. war against Iraq suppose that it will be won quickly and easily. Not all responsible analysts agree. Two doubters are particularly interesting, one opposed to attacking Iraq, the other supporting it. Three scenarios are outlined by Immanuel Wallerstein, who teaches at Yale. First, there is the devout hope that the U.S. will win easily and swiftly, with minimal loss of life. Second, the U.S. could win but only after a long and exhausting war, with massive loss of life. Finally, the U.S. could actually lose the war, as in Vietnam, being forced to withdraw from Iraq after a massive loss of life. Wallerstein comments: Swift and easy victory, obviously the hope of the U.S. administration, is the least likely. I give it one chance in twenty. Winning after a long exhausting war is the most likely, perhaps two chances out of three. And losing, incredible as it seems (but then it seemed so in Vietnam too) is a plausible outcome, one chance in three. The most probable outcome is a long drawn-out bloody war. Iraq would be devastated, Wallerstein observes, political and economic turmoil would result at home and abroad, and a regime change would indeed occur, but not in Baghdad. Among the supporters of invasion is Stratfor, a private intelligence corporation offering incisive analysis based on inside sources. On Sept. 25, Stratfor predicted: An invasion by U.S. forces is likely to cause many Iraqis to rally around Hussein, leaving no easy solution and a big, messy war ahead, with all of the U.S. might on one side and millions of Iraqis on the other. The likelihood of mass desertions, Stratfor continued, from the army once the [U.S.] army crosses the border is extremely low. The conclusion was in their headline: Iraqi Overthrow of Hussein Attractive for U.S., but Unrealistic. The question of the day after must also be faced. James Webb, former Secretary of the Navy in the Reagan administration, has written: The issue before us is not simply whether the United States would end the regime of Saddam Hussein, but whether we as a nation are prepared physically to occupy territory in the Middle East for the next 30 to 50 years. George Friedman, head of Stratfor, has said that invading Iraq would be something like a dog chasing a car. What do you do once you catch it? The title of a detailed and sobering article in the current Atlantic Monthly asks: The Fifty-first State? The attack against Iraq cannot be reconciled with just war principles. Lacking a sufficient cause, it will be a crime of aggression. If it overrides the UN, it will lack legitimate authority. Through urban warfare it could well result in massive civilian casualties. It is not likely to be a last resort. Nor is it likely to have a reasonable chance of success. The huge risks - chaos in Iraq, chaos in the Middle East, and chaos around the world -- hardly seem worth the cost. Nicholas D. Kristof rightly asks: Is America really prepared for hundreds of casualties, even thousands, in an invasion and subsequent occupation that could last many years? George Hunsinger teaches at Princeton Theological Seminary. He once worked on the staff of the Riverside Church Disarmanent Program in NYC. ~~~ AER + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Forwarded as information only; I don't believe everything I read or send (but that doesn't stop me from considering it; obviously SOMEBODY thinks it's important) + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut. --- Ernest Hemingway A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at:
[CTRL] Attack on Iraq = Ethnic Cleansing in Palestine
-Caveat Lector- From: Mazin Qumsiyeh Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 10:46 AM A Haaretz article today reports that Peres and Sharon are urging Bush to attack Iraq. An opinion article in Haaretz (same day) by Benvenisti (an Israeli best selling author) paints a clear picture of why Israel is pushing for an attack on Iraq. Read those two to see why the scenario of war leading to ethnic cleansing is not far fetched. Afterall, this is what happened between 1947-1949 and the Israeli leadership learned taht lesson well (see details at http://palestineremembered.com ). It is incumbent on all of us to act to stop this before it happens. Those in politics and the media will not be able to say we did not know. Reminder: Israel is the only country with known biological, chemical and nuclear weapons and Israel is in violation of 69 UN security council resolutions. For information on Iraq, see: http://iraqaction.org http://epic-usa.org http://www.peace-action.org To act, use http://congress.cfl-online.org Mazin Qumsiyeh == http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo= 8223contrassID==2subContrassID==1sbSubContrassID==0listSrc==Y PM urging U.S. not to delay strike against Iraq By Aluf Benn Israel is pressing the United States not to defer action aimed at toppling Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has sent messages to the U.S. administration in recent days saying that postponing the Iraq operation will not create a more convenient environment for action in the future. But Sharon added that Israel would support any American action, and would respect U.S. decisions regarding the method and the timing. Foreign Minister Shimon Peres sent a similar message yesterday during an interview with CNN television. The problem today is not if, but when, he said, adding that while attacking now would be quite dangerous... postponing it would be more dangerous, as he [Saddam] will have more weapons. But like Sharon, Peres also added a disclaimer, saying he did not want to be seen as urging the United States to act and that America should act according to its own judgment. Israel, he said, will be a good soldier in the camp led by President George W. Bush. Sharon has also repeatedly informed Bush that if Iraq were to attack Israel, Israel would respond. During the 1991 Gulf War, the United States effectively prevented Israel from retaliating against Iraqi missile strikes by refusing to give it the friend-foe codes required to keep U.S. and Israeli planes from shooting at each other. But in closed discussions recently, Sharon told associates that he had a clear understanding with the United States that this time, if Saddam were to attack, Israel would be allowed to exercise its right to self-defense... == http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo= 7827contrassID==2subContrassID==4sbSubContrassID==0listSrc==Y Preemptive warnings of fantastic scenarios By Meron Benvenisti Day after day and seemingly deliberately, someone else fans the flames of hysteria about the possibility that an American campaign against Iraq will bring a nuclear-biological-chemical (NBC) attack on Israel. After the flaws in the old protective kits were revealed and raised the sense of danger from toxic gases, there followed anxieties about terrible epidemics of anthrax and smallpox and fears of nuclear radiation. Those fanning the anxiety are doing it in a sophisticated, indirect way, through comments and leaks about being prepared for the threats. These are ostensibly meant to relieve public fears and prove that the authorities are ready for action in even the worst cases of existential danger. After the statements about the need for mass vaccinations and issuing pills against radiation sickness, the public should be catatonic by now. But there seems to be no panic, and there is a distinct lukewarm response to calls to bring protective kits to be refurbished. The decision makers seem more anxious than the public - maybe they are afraid of future complaints about failures, or maybe there are interests at work beyond the narrow matter of being ready for any threats. Public hysteria will no doubt peak when the authorities announce a voluntary inoculation campaign, placing responsibility in the hands of the citizens, and taking it out of the hands of the authorities, who will then be able to say they only provided what the public wanted. But fanning anxiety with reports of Home Front readiness are not only about defensive measures. They are also about declarations by the Sharon government that this time (as opposed to the Gulf War of 1991) Israel will certainly respond to any Iraqi attack. The worse the hysterical fear of an NBC attack - little children crying as nurses administer vaccinations on their arms - the more the pressure will rise to stick it to Saddam Hussein, whether it is necessary or not.
Re: [CTRL] Attack on Iraq = Ethnic Cleansing in Palestine
-Caveat Lector- I mean what would jews know about ethnic cleansing in the 40's anyway? on 8/17/02 8:38 AM, Jei at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- From: Mazin Qumsiyeh Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 10:46 AM A Haaretz article today reports that Peres and Sharon are urging Bush to attack Iraq. An opinion article in Haaretz (same day) by Benvenisti (an Israeli best selling author) paints a clear picture of why Israel is pushing for an attack on Iraq. Read those two to see why the scenario of war leading to ethnic cleansing is not far fetched. Afterall, this is what happened between 1947-1949 and the Israeli leadership learned taht lesson well (see details at http://palestineremembered.com ). It is incumbent on all of us to act to stop this before it happens. Those in politics and the media will not be able to say we did not know. Reminder: Israel is the only country with known biological, chemical and nuclear weapons and Israel is in violation of 69 UN security council resolutions. For information on Iraq, see: http://iraqaction.org http://epic-usa.org http://www.peace-action.org To act, use http://congress.cfl-online.org Mazin Qumsiyeh == http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo= 8223contrassID==2subContrassID==1sbSubContrassID==0listSrc==Y PM urging U.S. not to delay strike against Iraq By Aluf Benn Israel is pressing the United States not to defer action aimed at toppling Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has sent messages to the U.S. administration in recent days saying that postponing the Iraq operation will not create a more convenient environment for action in the future. But Sharon added that Israel would support any American action, and would respect U.S. decisions regarding the method and the timing. Foreign Minister Shimon Peres sent a similar message yesterday during an interview with CNN television. The problem today is not if, but when, he said, adding that while attacking now would be quite dangerous... postponing it would be more dangerous, as he [Saddam] will have more weapons. But like Sharon, Peres also added a disclaimer, saying he did not want to be seen as urging the United States to act and that America should act according to its own judgment. Israel, he said, will be a good soldier in the camp led by President George W. Bush. Sharon has also repeatedly informed Bush that if Iraq were to attack Israel, Israel would respond. During the 1991 Gulf War, the United States effectively prevented Israel from retaliating against Iraqi missile strikes by refusing to give it the friend-foe codes required to keep U.S. and Israeli planes from shooting at each other. But in closed discussions recently, Sharon told associates that he had a clear understanding with the United States that this time, if Saddam were to attack, Israel would be allowed to exercise its right to self-defense... == http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo= 7827contrassID==2subContrassID==4sbSubContrassID==0listSrc==Y Preemptive warnings of fantastic scenarios By Meron Benvenisti Day after day and seemingly deliberately, someone else fans the flames of hysteria about the possibility that an American campaign against Iraq will bring a nuclear-biological-chemical (NBC) attack on Israel. After the flaws in the old protective kits were revealed and raised the sense of danger from toxic gases, there followed anxieties about terrible epidemics of anthrax and smallpox and fears of nuclear radiation. Those fanning the anxiety are doing it in a sophisticated, indirect way, through comments and leaks about being prepared for the threats. These are ostensibly meant to relieve public fears and prove that the authorities are ready for action in even the worst cases of existential danger. After the statements about the need for mass vaccinations and issuing pills against radiation sickness, the public should be catatonic by now. But there seems to be no panic, and there is a distinct lukewarm response to calls to bring protective kits to be refurbished. The decision makers seem more anxious than the public - maybe they are afraid of future complaints about failures, or maybe there are interests at work beyond the narrow matter of being ready for any threats. Public hysteria will no doubt peak when the authorities announce a voluntary inoculation campaign, placing responsibility in the hands of the citizens, and taking it out of the hands of the authorities, who will then be able to say they only provided what the public wanted. But fanning anxiety with reports of Home Front readiness are not only about defensive measures. They are also about declarations by the Sharon government that this time (as opposed to the Gulf War of 1991) Israel will certainly respond to any Iraqi attack. The
[CTRL] Attack
-Caveat Lector- The next terrorist attack is planned for the Golden Gate Bridge. Steve In little more than a year we have gone from enjoying peace and the most prosperous economy in our history, to a nation plunged into war, recession and fear. This is a nation being transformed before our very eyes. http://www.truthout.com Steve Wingate, Webmaster ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Attack
-Caveat Lector- The next terrorist attack is planned for the Golden Gate Bridge. And you know this, how? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Attack
-Caveat Lector- same place that told him to BUY BUY BUY! erm... arf. - Original Message - From: Nessie SFBG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Attack -Caveat Lector- The next terrorist attack is planned for the Golden Gate Bridge. And you know this, how? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Attack
-Caveat Lector- Did you see this in your K-mart crystal ball ? BTW. your quote reads like a defeatist wuss. Go back to K-mart and see if they have a bluelight special on gonadsquit drinking bottled water, it contains estrogen. :) jao At 11:23 PM 07/18/2002 -0700, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- The next terrorist attack is planned for the Golden Gate Bridge. Steve In little more than a year we have gone from enjoying peace and the most prosperous economy in our history, to a nation plunged into war, recession and fear. This is a nation being transformed before our very eyes. http://www.truthout.com Steve Wingate, Webmaster ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Attack
-Caveat Lector- oh, i see! it is *you* that is the source of all the rampant testosterone on the list that the lovely mermaid was banging on about if steve's (accurate) quote says spineless to you, then yours says redneck to me. quit drinking Bud- it very rarely contains actual beer. - Original Message - From: John A. O'Neal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Attack -Caveat Lector- Did you see this in your K-mart crystal ball ? BTW. your quote reads like a defeatist wuss. Go back to K-mart and see if they have a bluelight special on gonadsquit drinking bottled water, it contains estrogen. :) jao At 11:23 PM 07/18/2002 -0700, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- The next terrorist attack is planned for the Golden Gate Bridge. Steve In little more than a year we have gone from enjoying peace and the most prosperous economy in our history, to a nation plunged into war, recession and fear. This is a nation being transformed before our very eyes. http://www.truthout.com Steve Wingate, Webmaster ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe
Re: [CTRL] Attack
-Caveat Lector- Spineless was your word, pal ! Some wussies do have spines, they just have to rediscover them. I don't drink alcohol. I have recently cultivated a taste for British tea, while running through some hills with my SAS counterparts, trying to keep the boogers and trolls off your butt. Redneck, eh...I'll bet your daddy would probably have called us baby killers too...to which I'll just quote you, from your message to the lovely Mermaid... Bite Me ! , jao At 10:16 AM 07/19/2002 +0100, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- oh, i see! it is *you* that is the source of all the rampant testosterone on the list that the lovely mermaid was banging on about if steve's (accurate) quote says spineless to you, then yours says redneck to me. quit drinking Bud- it very rarely contains actual beer. - Original Message - From: John A. O'Neal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Attack -Caveat Lector- Did you see this in your K-mart crystal ball ? BTW. your quote reads like a defeatist wuss. Go back to K-mart and see if they have a bluelight special on gonadsquit drinking bottled water, it contains estrogen. :) jao At 11:23 PM 07/18/2002 -0700, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- The next terrorist attack is planned for the Golden Gate Bridge. Steve In little more than a year we have gone from enjoying peace and the most prosperous economy in our history, to a nation plunged into war, recession and fear. This is a nation being transformed before our very eyes. http://www.truthout.com Steve Wingate, Webmaster ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary
Re: [CTRL] Attack
-Caveat Lector- --- John A. O'Neal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bite Me ! , Make sure Mike Tyson doesn't hear ya snort __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Attack
-Caveat Lector- --- John A. O'Neal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bite Me ! , jao Don't say that around Mike Tyson... snort __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Attack (oops, sorry for double post)
-Caveat Lector- thought the first one didn't go through I hate YaHell. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Attack
-Caveat Lector- At 04:33 AM 07/19/2002 -0700, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- --- John A. O'Neal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bite Me ! , Make sure Mike Tyson doesn't hear ya snort Hehehe ! Can't imagine Tyson on CTRL __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Attack
-Caveat Lector- your butt hehehehe ... but not mine, matey- you keep the boogers and trolls of your handler's investments in parts of the world where their interests might be threatened. oh and i hear that the british forces sometimes do America's shittier cleaning up work for them too. cool. i bet the pride must run right through you. my daddy only referred to you as suckers. and since when did one of our plucky boys in kahki refer to tea as anything BUT british? strange. and stranger still is having to cultivate a taste for it. that just doesn't sound too british to me... not a minority are you by any chance? - Original Message - From: John A. O'Neal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Attack -Caveat Lector- Spineless was your word, pal ! Some wussies do have spines, they just have to rediscover them. I don't drink alcohol. I have recently cultivated a taste for British tea, while running through some hills with my SAS counterparts, trying to keep the boogers and trolls off your butt. Redneck, eh...I'll bet your daddy would probably have called us baby killers too...to which I'll just quote you, from your message to the lovely Mermaid... Bite Me ! , jao At 10:16 AM 07/19/2002 +0100, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- oh, i see! it is *you* that is the source of all the rampant testosterone on the list that the lovely mermaid was banging on about if steve's (accurate) quote says spineless to you, then yours says redneck to me. quit drinking Bud- it very rarely contains actual beer. - Original Message - From: John A. O'Neal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Attack -Caveat Lector- Did you see this in your K-mart crystal ball ? BTW. your quote reads like a defeatist wuss. Go back to K-mart and see if they have a bluelight special on gonadsquit drinking bottled water, it contains estrogen. :) jao At 11:23 PM 07/18/2002 -0700, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- The next terrorist attack is planned for the Golden Gate Bridge. Steve In little more than a year we have gone from enjoying peace and the most prosperous economy in our history, to a nation plunged into war, recession and fear. This is a nation being transformed before our very eyes. http://www.truthout.com Steve Wingate, Webmaster ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED
Re: [CTRL] Attack
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: John A. O'Neal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Attack -Caveat Lector- At 04:33 AM 07/19/2002 -0700, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- --- John A. O'Neal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bite Me ! , Make sure Mike Tyson doesn't hear ya snort Hehehe ! Can't imagine Tyson on CTRL no surprise that you cannot, the limit of your imaginative capacity has been adequately demonstrated so far. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Attack Of The Clones: Fresh Warnings About Replication
-Caveat Lector- Attack Of The Clones: Fresh Warnings About Replication by Richard Ingham Paris (AFP) May 26, 2002 http://spacedaily.com/news/clone-02g.html Fresh evidence emerged Sunday about the perils of cloning, amid claims by rogue scientists that the first human replicant may be born just months from now. Research published in the journal Nature Genetics highlighted abnormalities among cloned animals which powerfully back fears that a cloned child could die in infancy or be condemned to life as a freak or a cripple. A team led by Jerry Yang at the University of Connecticut found that cloned cows had flaws in nine out of 10 genes studied on their X-chromosome -- one of the two sex chromosomes that determine a mammal's gender. Females have two X chromosomes, whereas males have an X and a Y chromosome. Among females, one of the X chromosomes is silent: it does not activate genes. Among the cloned cows, though, the flaws meant the copy of the X chromosome was incompletely switched off. Rather like a computer which receives spluttering, conflicting instructions from two sets of the same software programme, the cow's protein-making machinery went haywire, with catastrophic results for the animal's survival. Yang team member Cindy Tian said the findings were important because the secret labs trying to replicate a human being basically use the same cloning method. It's a very similar procedure, she told AFP by phone. It's very dangerous to use this current cloning technique for humans. What we have found is really a warning against it. She predicted that 99 percent (of cloned human embryoes) will fail to come to term, and of the one percent that might live, a high percentage will die shortly after birth because of gene expression problems. Cloning provides a genetic duplicate of another creature. The predominant method around the world entails removing the nucleus, or core, from an egg and replacing it with DNA from a donor. This DNA reprograms the egg, transferring into it the entire genetic code of the donor. The big problem, however, is to ensure that all the genes in this transferred code work properly, performing the dazzlingly complex business which is the making of tissue and the repairing of it. Wide-ranging tests in lab animals, and the experience of cloned farm animals including Dolly the Sheep, have found that -- even though all the genes are there -- many of them do not appear to switch on and off as they should. Malfunctioning genes can cause an embryo to become malformed, prompting the body to expel it in a miscarriage. Or they can stealthily pass on tiny flaws that later show up in crippling handicaps or chronic ill-health. Among cloned animals, only one in six of the embryos survive to birth and many die within a few weeks because of malformation. Many biotechnologists are repelled by the ethical dilemma posed by human cloning as well as the risk to the first cloned babies, and many governments have raced to pass laws that ban reproductive cloning. Yet this has not prevented a race among scientific mavericks to become the first to clone a human. One of them, Italian gynaecologist Severino Antinori, told the French daily Le Monde in an interview published on Saturday that three women were currently pregnant with clones. All were derived from the nuclear transfer method, he said. Two of them are in Russia and the third is in another country, Antinori said. The births should take place in December 2002 or January 2003. There are five groups of scientists racing to produce the first cloned human baby, US specialist Panos Zavos said in testimony to the US Congress on May 15. Zavos said he expected the world's first clone to be born some time in 2003. One of those teams is headed by French chemist Brigitte Boisselier, who works for the Raelian religious sect, which believes that mankind was created by extra-terrestrials. All rights reserved. © 2002 Agence France-Presse. In little more than a year we have gone from enjoying peace and the most prosperous economy in our history, to a nation plunged into war, recession and fear. This is a nation being transformed before our very eyes. http://www.truthout.com Steve Wingate, Webmaster ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be
[CTRL] Attack on Iraq is unavoidable: US official's warning
http://www.dawn.com/2002/02/05/int2.htm Attack on Iraq is unavoidable: US official's warning MUNICH, Feb 4: A senior adviser to United States Secretary of Defence Donald Rumsfeld indicated war with Iraq was likely even if Baghdad backs down and allows inspectors back in to hunt for weapons of mass destruction, according to an interview on Monday. "I don't think there's anything (Iraqi leader) Saddam Hussein could do that would convince us there's no longer any danger coming from Iraq," said Richard Perle, head of the Defense Policy Board of the US Department of Defence and a top Rumsfeld adviser. Perle, quoted in an interview with the German edition of the Financial Times at the Munich Security Conference, said the only thing that would convince the US regarding Iraq would be a change of regime. US President George W. Bush was now on "a very clear path" heading toward war with Iraq, said Perle as quoted by the Financial Times Deutschland. The newspaper said if Perle was right even Iraq's meeting the US demand for the return of international inspectors would do nothing to prevent American military strikes. Perle said Afghanistan was a possible model for a war with Iraq. Such a scenario would include massive US air strikes on Iraq, special operations units on the ground and the use of domestic opposition groups to carry the main burden of ground war, said Perle. "The potential fighting forces would be Kurds in the north and the Shias in the south," he said. A leadership structure could be the Iraqi National Congress (INC), he added. The INC has long been regarded as weak and divided, the Financial Times Deutschland pointed out. Perle repeated the view expressed by American officials at the conference that Washington was little concerned over European opposition to a war with Iraq. "If we have to choose between defending the US without our allies and not defending ourselves with our allies we will choose defence," said Perle. "If the European message is: we accept risks posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and don't (want you) to do anything about it because it makes us nervous, then the European influence will be zero," Perle noted. He added: "Up until now the European recommendations have not been helpful." The German foreign ministry on Monday warned against a military strike against Iraq by the United States. "There are no signs and no evidence that Iraq is involved in the terrorism that we have been discussing for several months," said Deputy Foreign Minister Ludger Volmer. The fight against terrorism should not be used to legitimize old enmities and settle old accounts, said Volmer. Both Volmer and Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer are members of the Greens party which serves as junior coalition partner to Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder's Social Democrats. Asked about Volmer's comments a foreign ministry spokeswoman, Sabine Sparwasser, said President Bush had assured at talks in Washington on Thursday that there were no plans to attack Iraq. GERMANY: The German foreign ministry on Monday warned against a military strike against Iraq by the United States. "There are no signs and no evidence that Iraq is involved in the terrorism that we have been discussing for several months," said Ludger Volmer, Assistant Secretary at the Foreign Ministry, on a morning TV programme. The fight against terrorism should not be used to legitimise old enmities and settle old accounts, said Volmer. Both Volmer and Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer are members of the Greens party.-dpa
Re: [CTRL] Attack on Iraq is unavoidable: US official's warning
-Caveat Lector- This Richard Perle and Wolfowitz are two fascist pigs - Zionists of the worst possible type. They wan to murder more Iraqi children and I am wondering what their hold is over our ELECTED officials. Is it blackmail? Call they Hawks? They are scavengers longing to feed off more dead. OSaba . September 18, 2001 Send to a Colleague The Prince of Darkness Memo To: Henry Kissinger From: Jude Wanniski Re: Richard Perle I was surprised to see you on television last night making arguments I associate with the world's No. 1 hawk, Richard Perle, who has been the chief architect of our policy toward the Arab/Islamic world. There is no single American more responsible for inciting outrage among Muslims globally than Richard, whose maniacal prescriptions led inexorably to last week's cataclysm. It was no surprise to me to see Richard on CNN's EvansNovak, Hunt Shields program on Sunday, calling for all-out war against the Arab world with a coalition entirely composed of western Europeans. If he were just an ordinary maniac, we could live with him, Henry, but he is chairman of the Defense Policy Board, which advises the Pentagon, and which gives him total access to all military secrets. Do you have any doubt that he is now in constant communication with Ariel Sharon and Binjamin Netanyahu, the leaders of the coo-coo wing of the Likud Party in Israel? Over the last four decades, since I first met both you and Richard in the first year of the Nixon administration in 1969, I always associated you with the moderates, like the late Sen. Jacob Javits of New York, who would look for diplomatic solutions to conflict. Richard, who was then a 25-year-old boy wonder who worked for Sen. Henry (Scoop) Jackson, Washington Democrat, was a protege of Albert Wohlstetter, who played hawk to your dove in our dealings with the Soviet Union. Back then, I was allied with Wohlstetter, a Cold War hawk, although I at least had an appreciation of your views. Now I see you practically in lockstep with Perle, who we have always known as the Prince of Darkness, a master of disinformation who helped us win the Cold War, and who now wants to bring the Muslim world to its knees. You know how these things work, Henry. There are basically two approaches to solving the problem of terrorism. One is that you understand the mind of the terrorist in order to establish defenses against it. The other is that you kill all the terrorists and all the potential terrorists. Richard would certainly not flinch at that possibility, although I'm sure he would think we would only have to kill a significant fraction of the 1.25 billion Muslims before the rest got the message. Before their deaths, Wohlstetter and former president Richard Nixon had designed our policy toward Iraq, by which the U.S. would allow Iraqi civilians to die of starvation and disease until the people were so miserable they would topple Saddam Hussein. I've noted a number of times in this space that 1.5 million Iraqi civilians have died thusfar, according to the United Nations, because of a policy designed by two dead men, now carried out by Wohlstetter's proteges, with Perle at the top of that deadly totem poll. Nixon, I'm sure, could not have imagined Saddam would still be in power after all these years. You know as well as I do that it has been criminal for our government to pretend to the American people that the embargo would have been lifted on Iraq if Saddam complied with the 1991 UN resolutions. Insofar as you have known this and done nothing about it, I suppose I would have to list you on the negative side of last week's equation. Remember when Madeleine Albright, our UN Ambassador, was asked by Lesley Stahl on 60 Minutes if it were worth the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children to keep the embargo on, and without hesitation, Madeleine said it surely was. Richard Perle, I'm sure, cheered her statement. So did Paul Wolfowitz, Perle's acolyte, who is now Deputy Defense Secretary. Our Defense Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, probably flinched at the comment, as he still has some sense left, but Don still follows Perle's lead, as he has since the Ford Administration. When Wohlstetter was the big intellectual cheese at the Rand Corporation, he brought Rumsfeld in on the Rand board, where he was fully indoctrinated on how to end wars and how to start them. In 1996, when the GOP came up with the Dole/Kemp ticket, I did my best to come up with ideas on how Bob Dole could present a more diplomatic image to the American people. Alas, Dole had Perle at his side. When President Clinton bombed Iraq on Labor Day, to kick off his re-election campaign, he violated the War Powers Act. But Dole quickly praised the bombing and other Republicans, whose staffs include members of the Perle network on Capitol Hill, immediately complained that Clinton should have dropped bigger bombs. In case you did not know it, Secretary of State Colin Powell refers to Perle and his network as
Re: [CTRL] Attack on Iraq is unavoidable: US official's warning
-Caveat Lector- There won't be an attack on Iraq for the same reason the American tanks didn't enter Baghdad a decade ago - Saddam Hussein is too valuable where he is, since as long as he is there, the Americans have a good excuse for remaining in Saudi. - Original Message - From: Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Attack on Iraq is unavoidable: US official's warning -Caveat Lector- This Richard Perle and Wolfowitz are two fascist pigs - Zionists of the worst possible type. They wan to murder more Iraqi children and I am wondering what their hold is over our ELECTED officials. Is it blackmail? Call they Hawks? They are scavengers longing to feed off more dead. OSaba . September 18, 2001 Send to a Colleague The Prince of Darkness Memo To: Henry Kissinger From: Jude Wanniski Re: Richard Perle I was surprised to see you on television last night making arguments I associate with the world's No. 1 hawk, Richard Perle, who has been the chief architect of our policy toward the Arab/Islamic world. There is no single American more responsible for inciting outrage among Muslims globally than Richard, whose maniacal prescriptions led inexorably to last week's cataclysm. It was no surprise to me to see Richard on CNN's EvansNovak, Hunt Shields program on Sunday, calling for all-out war against the Arab world with a coalition entirely composed of western Europeans. If he were just an ordinary maniac, we could live with him, Henry, but he is chairman of the Defense Policy Board, which advises the Pentagon, and which gives him total access to all military secrets. Do you have any doubt that he is now in constant communication with Ariel Sharon and Binjamin Netanyahu, the leaders of the coo-coo wing of the Likud Party in Israel? Over the last four decades, since I first met both you and Richard in the first year of the Nixon administration in 1969, I always associated you with the moderates, like the late Sen. Jacob Javits of New York, who would look for diplomatic solutions to conflict. Richard, who was then a 25-year-old boy wonder who worked for Sen. Henry (Scoop) Jackson, Washington Democrat, was a protege of Albert Wohlstetter, who played hawk to your dove in our dealings with the Soviet Union. Back then, I was allied with Wohlstetter, a Cold War hawk, although I at least had an appreciation of your views. Now I see you practically in lockstep with Perle, who we have always known as the Prince of Darkness, a master of disinformation who helped us win the Cold War, and who now wants to bring the Muslim world to its knees. You know how these things work, Henry. There are basically two approaches to solving the problem of terrorism. One is that you understand the mind of the terrorist in order to establish defenses against it. The other is that you kill all the terrorists and all the potential terrorists. Richard would certainly not flinch at that possibility, although I'm sure he would think we would only have to kill a significant fraction of the 1.25 billion Muslims before the rest got the message. Before their deaths, Wohlstetter and former president Richard Nixon had designed our policy toward Iraq, by which the U.S. would allow Iraqi civilians to die of starvation and disease until the people were so miserable they would topple Saddam Hussein. I've noted a number of times in this space that 1.5 million Iraqi civilians have died thusfar, according to the United Nations, because of a policy designed by two dead men, now carried out by Wohlstetter's proteges, with Perle at the top of that deadly totem poll. Nixon, I'm sure, could not have imagined Saddam would still be in power after all these years. You know as well as I do that it has been criminal for our government to pretend to the American people that the embargo would have been lifted on Iraq if Saddam complied with the 1991 UN resolutions. Insofar as you have known this and done nothing about it, I suppose I would have to list you on the negative side of last week's equation. Remember when Madeleine Albright, our UN Ambassador, was asked by Lesley Stahl on 60 Minutes if it were worth the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children to keep the embargo on, and without hesitation, Madeleine said it surely was. Richard Perle, I'm sure, cheered her statement. So did Paul Wolfowitz, Perle's acolyte, who is now Deputy Defense Secretary. Our Defense Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, probably flinched at the comment, as he still has some sense left, but Don still follows Perle's lead, as he has since the Ford Administration. When Wohlstetter was the big intellectual cheese at the Rand Corporation, he brought Rumsfeld in on the Rand board, where he was fully indoctrinated on how to end wars and how to start them. In 1996, when the GOP came up with the Dole/Kemp ticket, I did my best to come up
Re: [CTRL] Attack on Iraq is unavoidable: US official's warning
-Caveat Lector- the question never asked by the people who keep asking why didn't we kill saddam? is: who will fill the power vacuum? look at Haiti - ( around the same time period as the gulf war) for better or worse, there was a democratically elected govt. to install waiting in the wings. We supported saddam for years, because he was the secular leader in the area. So what are the choices if he is killed.. either another crazy general, or a crazy mullah. -- Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened. Sir Winston Churchill NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew From: RV Head [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 23:22:32 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Attack on Iraq is unavoidable: US official's warning -Caveat Lector- There won't be an attack on Iraq for the same reason the American tanks didn't enter Baghdad a decade ago - Saddam Hussein is too valuable where he is, since as long as he is there, the Americans have a good excuse for remaining in Saudi. - Original Message - From: Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Attack on Iraq is unavoidable: US official's warning -Caveat Lector- This Richard Perle and Wolfowitz are two fascist pigs - Zionists of the worst possible type. They wan to murder more Iraqi children and I am wondering what their hold is over our ELECTED officials. Is it blackmail? Call they Hawks? They are scavengers longing to feed off more dead. OSaba . September 18, 2001 Send to a Colleague The Prince of Darkness Memo To: Henry Kissinger From: Jude Wanniski Re: Richard Perle I was surprised to see you on television last night making arguments I associate with the world's No. 1 hawk, Richard Perle, who has been the chief architect of our policy toward the Arab/Islamic world. There is no single American more responsible for inciting outrage among Muslims globally than Richard, whose maniacal prescriptions led inexorably to last week's cataclysm. It was no surprise to me to see Richard on CNN's EvansNovak, Hunt Shields program on Sunday, calling for all-out war against the Arab world with a coalition entirely composed of western Europeans. If he were just an ordinary maniac, we could live with him, Henry, but he is chairman of the Defense Policy Board, which advises the Pentagon, and which gives him total access to all military secrets. Do you have any doubt that he is now in constant communication with Ariel Sharon and Binjamin Netanyahu, the leaders of the coo-coo wing of the Likud Party in Israel? Over the last four decades, since I first met both you and Richard in the first year of the Nixon administration in 1969, I always associated you with the moderates, like the late Sen. Jacob Javits of New York, who would look for diplomatic solutions to conflict. Richard, who was then a 25-year-old boy wonder who worked for Sen. Henry (Scoop) Jackson, Washington Democrat, was a protege of Albert Wohlstetter, who played hawk to your dove in our dealings with the Soviet Union. Back then, I was allied with Wohlstetter, a Cold War hawk, although I at least had an appreciation of your views. Now I see you practically in lockstep with Perle, who we have always known as the Prince of Darkness, a master of disinformation who helped us win the Cold War, and who now wants to bring the Muslim world to its knees. You know how these things work, Henry. There are basically two approaches to solving the problem of terrorism. One is that you understand the mind of the terrorist in order to establish defenses against it. The other is that you kill all the terrorists and all the potential terrorists. Richard would certainly not flinch at that possibility, although I'm sure he would think we would only have to kill a significant fraction of the 1.25 billion Muslims before the rest got the message. Before their deaths, Wohlstetter and former president Richard Nixon had designed our policy toward Iraq, by which the U.S. would allow Iraqi civilians to die of starvation and disease until the people were so miserable they would topple Saddam Hussein. I've noted a number of times in this space that 1.5 million Iraqi civilians have died thusfar, according to the United Nations, because of a policy designed by two dead men, now carried out by Wohlstetter's proteges, with Perle at the top of that deadly totem poll. Nixon, I'm sure, could not have imagined Saddam would still be in power after all these years. You know as well as I do that it has been criminal for our government to pretend to the American people that the embargo would have been lifted on Iraq if Saddam complied with the 1991 UN resolutions. Insofar as you have
[CTRL] Attack on Somalia said imminent
Note: forwarded message attached. __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ---BeginMessage--- Title: Attack on Somalia said imminent US attack on Somalia said imminent BBC Monitoring Service - United Kingdom; Jan 7, 2002 Reports of an imminent US attack on Somalia continue to increase in the context of US efforts to crack down and pursue what it describes as Usamah Bin Ladin's Al Qa'idah affiliates. This week, international media reports have been carrying reports on Somalia. All internationally recognized newspapers, quoting unnamed officials, are predicting that a US attack on Somalia is imminent. It is increasingly suspected that the US might use Ethiopia to conduct the infantry phase of the war, while the USA will facilitate the logistics and the financial requirements. Talking to Newsweek International, the prime minister of the Transitional Government of Somalia [TGS], Hasan Abshir Farah, expressed great concern on the matter, and said Ethiopia had been a traditional adversary. He said if the USA used Ethiopia for its operation, there would be a serious problem. The premier said he would rather prefer a unilateral US attack on Somalia instead of involving Ethiopia. It is also said the SRRC [Somali Reconciliation and Reconstruction Council] is mobilizing militiamen in Baydhabo [Baidoa, south-central Somalia] in a bid to prepare for the planed anti-terror ground assault. Up to now areas clearly targeted in the war include Kismaayo and its environs, Marka town and the capital city, Mogadishu. However, there is no clear proof to show the presence of terrorists in the country, except mere claims in this regard. Recently, American journalists visited Kismaayo town and found no evidence of terrorism. They also visited Mogadishu and Somaliland. It is said US intelligence personnel also visited Somalia. At the moment, US, German and French warships are stationed off the Somali coast, inspecting any ship entering Somalia's territorial waters, in a bid to check for fleeing Al-Qa'idah members who had been defeated in Afghanistan. Reports coming in say the US administration wants to begin its operation first against the TGS, which the SRRC is accusing of comprising some terrorist-affiliated groups. Earlier, an American official said the US government did not recognize the TGS. This suggests that in principle, the US administration prefers the formation of a new government in the place of the TGS... It is crystal clear that the USA will not attack Somalia with an intention of forming a government, but rather with the sole purpose of hunting down certain individuals whom it sees as a threat to USA's existence. If lessons could be learnt from history, the 1993 incident is enough for Somalia, when US forces, with highly sophisticated weapons, entered the country but did not try even to disarm the armed militiamen who were destroying the country. Source: Mudugonline.com web site, Ottawa, in Somali 6 Jan 02 /BBC Monitoring/ © BBC. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Please let us stay on topic and be civil. To unsubscribe please go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs -Home Page- www.cia-drugs.org OM Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ---End Message---
[CTRL] Attack the French
-Caveat Lector- Attack France! FrontPageMagazine.com | December 20, 2001 AS PUNDITS MULL whether America's next target in the war on terrorism should be Iraq or a smaller quarry first - such as the Sudan or Somalia - it's time to consider another petri dish of ferocious anti-American hatred and terrorist activity. The Bush doctrine is: We are at war not only with the terrorists, but also with those who harbor them. We've got to attack France. Having exhausted itself in a spirited fight with the Nazis in the last war, France cannot work up the energy to oppose terrorism. For decades now, France has nurtured, coddled and funded Islamic terrorists. (Moreover, the Great Satan is getting a little sick of our McDonald's franchises being attacked on behalf of notoriously inefficient French dairy farmers.) At the 1972 Olympics, Muslim terrorists assassinated 11 Israeli athletes and one German policeman. Five years later, acting on intelligence from Israeli secret police, French counterespionage agents arrested the reputed mastermind of the massacre, Abu Daoud. Both Israel and West Germany sought the extradition of Daoud. Afraid of upsetting Muslim terrorists, France refused on technical grounds and set him free. In 1986, Libyan agents of Moammar Gadhafi planted a bomb in a West Berlin discotheque, killing an American serviceman and a Turkish woman. Hundreds more were injured. President Reagan retaliated with air strikes against Libyan military targets - including Gadhafi's living quarters. Quaking in the face of this show of manly force, France denied America the use of its airspace. As a consequence, American pilots were required to begin their missions from airbases in Britain. When the pilots finally made it to Tripoli, tired from the long flights and showing a puckish sense of humor, they bombed the French embassy by mistake. POW! So sorry, our mistake. France has repeatedly decried economic sanctions against Iraq and has accused the United Nations of manufacturing evidence against Saddam Hussein. The U.N., not even the Great Satan. The French U.N. ambassador dismissed aerial photographs of Iraqi military trucks fleeing inspection sites just before U.N. weapons inspectors arrived as - quote - perhaps a truckers' picnic. Along with the rest of the European Union, France sends millions of dollars to the Palestinian Authority every year. Sucking up to the P.A. has really paid dividends to the craven butterbellies. While visiting Arafat in Gaza last year to announce several million more dollars in aid, Prime Minister Lionel Jospin was attacked by angry, stone-throwing Palestinian students. Earlier this year, France connived with human-rights champions China and Cuba to toss the United States off the U.N. Human Rights Commission. Sudan took America's place, and, if its diplomats are not too bogged down with human torture and slave trading, they are very much looking forward to attending the meetings. This summer, Paris made Mumia Abu-Jamal an honorary citizen of Paris. In America's cowboy, bloodlust, rush-to-judgment approach to the death penalty, this convicted Philadelphia cop-killer has been sitting on death row - and giving radio interviews and college commencement addresses - for 20 years. Since Mumia sounds like a Muslim terrorist, Parisians can use the same bumper stickers for the war. Two weeks into America's war on terrorism, Le Figaro began calling for American restraint. In polls, 47 percent of the French said they believed the U.S. military action was failing. Seventeen percent thought it was working (which was - admittedly - 17 percent more than on the New York Times editorial page). Flaunting France's well-established reputation as a fearsome fighting machine, the French foreign minister, Hubert Vedrine, immediately advised the United States to stop bombing Afghanistan. The first indictment to come out of the Sept. 11 attacks was of a French national, Zacarias Moussaoui. He is believed to be the intended 20th hijacker on Bloody Tuesday. France quickly moved to extend consular protection for Moussaoui. Intriguingly, French Justice Minister Marylise Lebranchu has demanded that Moussaoui not be executed. Mlle. Lebranchu seems to have forgotten, but WE ARE THE GREAT SATAN! We also have Moussaoui. It's annoying enough when these celebrated Nazi slayers refuse to extradite terrorists on the grounds that America does not observe the pristine judicial formalities of their pals, China, Cuba and the Sudan. But under what zany theory of international law does France think it can tell us what to do with a terrorist we caught right here on U.S. soil? The Great Satan is wearying of this reverse hegemony, in which little pipsqueak nations try to impose their pipsqueak values on us. Aren't we the ones who should be arrogantly oppressing countries that unaccountably do not have the death penalty? And now, as America goes about
Re: [CTRL] Attack the French
-Caveat Lector- We've got to attack France. We ? Who is we ? We, from where I can imagine you're sitting, is reposing in a nicely comfortable abode with central heat and hot and cold running water. Whether it's dreams of streaking across the sky over Afghanland or France (as you suggest) or Britland (the more likely candidate), the we that you so generously use is probably thinking about what outfit to wear to the next Nouvelle Cuisine soiree' to reminisce about them good old dayze when Bill Jeff was in your sights, but not in your clutches. I notice there's a LOT of use by the mediacracy of the word we. It may be used by you or Jonah or some of the other limelit luminaries, those who probably were never subject to real, actual, physical inclusion and participation in the military, those who slept with their deferments under their pillows (if not down their shorts), all of those who are able boosters, those not quite on the cheerleading squad nor even close to being on the team. We is not they. Of course, I may be wrong: you (collectively if not individually) may have coerced or co-opted the local recruiter or Department of Offense bigwig to bestow upon you the unique opportunity to undergo years of true and committed service to your country. Then again, I may be right: that armchair is great for quarterbacking the Redskins or generalling the armies or admiralling the navies. The upteenth rerun of Hanks' pretending to be a captain in a stylised war (replicating the one that preceded his own lifetime) just gets the mood right. As for France, it's an easy target of course. Being the only European nation that chose to declare its independence from the continued perpetual occupation by American forces following the Second Great War, there's a natural tendency to be brusque about its past actions. Yet, one cannot avoid the Truth of why the Americans fought in both the First and Second Great Wars: to perserve France. Even JP Buchanan recognises that Britland was probably in no danger to falling to the Germans nor was Russia. The key was, of course, to perserve the only other truly revolutionary country in the world, our sibling in the struggle for the sovereignty of human dignity, the land of true thought, culture, and the originators of connaisseurs and connaissueses. The only danger to these principles has been the existence of Britland, the most tried and failed of the imperialist colonial empires the world has ever known. If you recall American history, it was against this nation that my forebears fought for their independence. It was against this nation that Jeanne d'Arc fought for her peoples' independence. The connexion between the far past, the American past and the present is Britland has essentially the same form of waning, wasting, and withering government, one that has bestowed upon the world the blessings of Palestine, Kashmir, Northern Ireland, and various other political nuts to crack. This of course, does not ignore its vast connexions to various groups of extreme vandals, the sort that perpetrated the events of 9-11. Again, France has resisted pollution of its heritage and it is in support of this resistance that Americans have come to her aid! Vive la France! As the eminent psychiatrist Frasier Crane so aptly put it, quoted as I research my recollection for the specificity of the phraseology, England has never produced a four star restaurant, a vintage wine, nor an automobile with a reliable electrical system. Integrity has no need of rules. -Albert Camus (1913-1960) + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL
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-Caveat Lector- Oh. I forgot to add that what I sent along was my response to Annie, herselves and her elves, those chair-bound cheerleading Cheez-Its chomping chumpy cherubim, the mendacious men and women of the crazy media-cracy. Not intended to be intentionally directed to the subsequent poster. AER A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Attack in Ramallah update..........
-Caveat Lector- --- Zahi Damuni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To: Al-Awda News [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Zahi Damuni [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 12:55:51 -0500 Subject: [AL-AWDA-News] Attack in Ramallah update.. From: Sam Bahour We are under a new air attack in Ramallah as I write! Interesting Ha'aretz new reports now that: 19:13 U.S. envoy Anthony Zinni to remain in region,will meet with Prime Minister Ariel Sharon at 8:30 P.M. It's 7:20pmonly one hour before their meeting...I guess history will start again only after a another suicide bomber reaches the conclusion that this bombing equates his life with death! What a shame ... the US should be disgraced of itself From: Sam Bahour Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 12:33 PM A major electric post was hit 1/2 of town with no electric. IDF tanks in the middle of Ramallah Center (at the lions circle) ...holiday goers running out of town, Apaches still overhead! __ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Attack On Liberty
-Caveat Lector- From SpikedOnLine }}}Begin Article19 September 2001 Terrorising liberty by Brendan O'Neill After the attacks on America, UK prime minister Tony Blair declared 'war on terrorism' - not only overseas, but here in Britain too. The day after the attacks, foreign secretary Jack Straw invoked the Terrorism Act 2000 as playing a 'major role' in tackling terrorist bases and support in the UK, and already arrests have been made at Heathrow Airport under anti-terrorism legislation. 'Britain's counter- terrorist laws are crucial', said home secretary David Blunkett. 'We were right to keep them.' Yet if the legislation's previous incarnation is anything to go by, the laws will do little to 'prevent terrorism' - but a lot to erode liberties. New Labour's Terrorism Act came into force in February 2001, superseding both the Prevention of Terrorism Act 1974 (PTA) and the Northern Ireland Emergency Provisions Act 1973. The original PTA was passed in November 1974 - the last time a British government declared 'war on terrorism' - in response to the IRA's Birmingham pub bombings that left 21 people dead. But despite its stated aims, the Act was less about 'preventing terrorism' tha n about harassing Irish people and undermining their civil liberties. The PTA allowed the authorities to detain suspects for up to seven days without charge. It gave the home secretary powers to exclude people from Britain to Northern Ireland - internal exile within the UK - if he 'reasonab ly believed' them to be involved in terrorism, without needing to go to court or offer any evidence. It allowed the police to cordon off entire areas, to stop and search people they 'reasonably suspected' might be terrori sts, and to confiscate any items they suspected could be used for 'terrorist purposes' (including, in some instances, black gloves, rope, building equipment and even A-Z maps). Of the 7052 (mostly Irish) people detained under the Prevention of Terrorism Act between 1974 and 1991, only 14 percent had charges brought against them (1). Many of the other 6097 (86 percent) were held for days at a tim e, denied access to a solicitor, interrogated (without the safeguards that suspects today are promised in police custody), and then released again - left with the stigma of being an Irish person arrested on suspicion of b eing involved in terrorism. And of the 350 people excluded from the UK to Northern Ireland or the Irish Republic under the PTA from 1974 to 1992, the vast majority were just ordinary Irish people suspected of being terrorists - with fewer than 30 of them being charged with 'terrorist acts' once they arrived back in Ireland. A study carried out by the Commission for Racial Equality in 1993 found that 60 percent of Irish people surveyed in Britain had been stopped and questioned under the PTA (2). That so many Irish people were conveyor-belted under anti-terrorism legislation and only small numbers of them charged showed that the PTA was more about harassing the Irish community than about hunting for terrorists. Far from being one-off miscarriages of justice, the cases of the Guildford Four and the Birmingham Six - framed for the IRA pub bombings of 1974 and then released after being found innocent in 1989 and 1991 respectively - were part of a climate of hysteria fostered by anti-terrorist legislation that effectively criminalised the Irish community. Following the IRA ceasefire of 1994, the then Tory government was put under pressure to rethink anti-terrorist legislation, while Labour promised an overhaul if it got into power. So what did the New Labour government do? It passed the new and improved Terrorism Act in 2001, which includes much of what was bad about the PTA - and then some. The Terrorism Act defines terrorism as 'the use or threat of action designed to influence the government or to intimidate the public or a section of the public', which 'involves serious violence against a person', 'serious damage to property', 'endangers a person's life', 'creates a serious risk to the health or safety of the public', or 'is designed seriously to interfere with an electronic system'. As some have pointed out, such a broad definition of terrorism not only covers aeroplanes crashing into buildings, but also rowdy political protests and hacking into internet systems. According to Guardian columnist George Monbiot, the Terrorism Act criminalises protest: 'You can become a terrorist without having to harm a living being - provided you believe in something.' (3) If the police 'reasonably suspect' that acts of terrorism are likely to be carried out, they can seek an 'authorisation' to declare an area an 'emergency zone' for up to 28 days. And within the emergency zone, rights go out the window. A police officer can 'arrest without a warrant a person whom he reasonably suspects to be a terrorist', 'may stop and search a person whom he reasonably suspects to be a terrorist', and 'can stop a vehicle, and may
[CTRL] Attack 'could come this weekend' (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Attack 'could come this weekend' By Michael Smith, Defence Correspondent (Filed: 15/09/2001) http://portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/15/watt15.xml AMERICA geared up for war yesterday with Donald Rumsfeld, the Defence Secretary, warning the country's servicemen that they would be called on to vanquish powerful and terrible enemies in the months ahead. The rallying call came as defence officials said an attack on Afghanistan, which has given safe haven to Osama bin Laden, could come as early as this weekend. As President Bush authorised the call-up of 50,000 reservists, the Senate gave him unanimous backing to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organisations or persons who carried out the attacks. Mr Rumsfeld told US servicemen around the world in a videotaped address that much had already been asked of them, but more, much more will be asked of you in the weeks and months ahead. The task of vanquishing these terrible enemies and in protecting the American people and the cause of human freedom will fall to you. I know you are ready. I know America can continue to count on your selflessness and courage, he said. The Pentagon is believed to be considering a range of military options against Afghanistan, from heavy bombing to the insertion of special forces. Amid continued speculation over an attack on Afghanistan, the Taliban leader, Mullah Mohammad Omar, urged Afghans to face any American attack with courage and self-respect. Meanwhile, America's preparations for war continued to build. Two tankers were ordered to take 235,000 barrels of marine diesel fuel to Diego Garcia, the US Air Force base in the Indian Ocean. A number of B52 bombers capable of launching cruise missiles are believed to have been deployed there. Another oil tanker was booked to deliver 28,000 tonnes of aviation fuel from Greece to southern Spain. It is believed to be bound for the Moron air base, used by US Air Force KC10 tanker aircraft to refuel bombers crossing the Atlantic during the Kosovo conflict. Geoff Hoon, the Defence Secretary, told the Commons that with hundreds of Britons killed in Tuesday's attacks, the United Kingdom has both an interest and an obligation to provide assistance to the US to help bring those responsible to account and remove the threat that terrorists pose to the international community. Work was continuing to determine what military contribution Britain could make to assist in bringing to account those who organised, abetted and incited these acts. The British Chiefs of Staff have been meeting regularly since the attacks to look at the various military options they could offer the Americans and a number of extra liaison officers have been sent to the Pentagon. But the truth is they don't really need us, a source said. We are always happy to work alongside them, but it is much more about political support than military assistance. The US Armed Forces dwarf those of every other nation. There are 470,000 regular soldiers, with 7,600 main battle tanks, plus 170,000 Marines. The US Air Force has 2,300 combat aircraft and the US Navy more than 200 ships, including 12 aircraft carriers. The 82nd Airborne Division, based at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, and the 101st Airborne Division, at Fort Campbell, Kentucky, have been ready to fly out to the Middle East since shortly after the terrorist attacks. Two carrier task forces of the US Fifth Fleet are already in the Middle East, where there are more than 30,000 servicemen, including the 1st Infantry Division, which is on exercise in Kuwait, where 500 Abrams tanks are also based. There are more than 300 American combat aircraft in the region, including about 40 F15s and F16s at Prince Sultan Air Base, south of Jeddah, in Saudi Arabia, 36 F15s and F16s at Incirlik, Turkey, and 24 Warthog Tankbusters at Ahmed al Jabr in Kuwait. [Forwarded For Information Purposes Only - Not Necessarily Endorsed By The Sender - A.K. Pritchard] -- A.K. Pritchard http://members.ll.net/chiliast/ http://rosie.acmecity.com/songfest/189/ To subscribe to The Republican email list - just ask! [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bumper sticker from liberal left coast (Oregon): Hugged a liberal today? Still have your wallet? (thanks to Tom H for sending this) A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let
[CTRL] Attack 'could come this weekend'
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a Prelude to War! Attack 'could come this weekend' By Michael Smith, Defence Correspondent (Filed: 15/09/2001) AMERICA geared up for war yesterday with Donald Rumsfeld, the Defence Secretary, warning the country's servicemen that they would be called on to vanquish powerful and terrible enemies in the months ahead. The rallying call came as defence officials said an attack on Afghanistan, which has given safe haven to Osama bin Laden, could come as early as this weekend. As President Bush authorised the call-up of 50,000 reservists, the Senate gave him unanimous backing to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organisations or persons who carried out the attacks. Mr Rumsfeld told US servicemen around the world in a videotaped address that much had already been asked of them, but more, much more will be asked of you in the weeks and months ahead. The task of vanquishing these terrible enemies and in protecting the American people and the cause of human freedom will fall to you. I know you are ready. I know America can continue to count on your selflessness and courage, he said. The Pentagon is believed to be considering a range of military options against Afghanistan, from heavy bombing to the insertion of special forces. Amid continued speculation over an attack on Afghanistan, the Taliban leader, Mullah Mohammad Omar, urged Afghans to face any American attack with courage and self-respect. Meanwhile, America's preparations for war continued to build. Two tankers were ordered to take 235,000 barrels of marine diesel fuel to Diego Garcia, the US Air Force base in the Indian Ocean. A number of B52 bombers capable of launching cruise missiles are believed to have been deployed there. Another oil tanker was booked to deliver 28,000 tonnes of aviation fuel from Greece to southern Spain. It is believed to be bound for the Moron air base, used by US Air Force KC10 tanker aircraft to refuel bombers crossing the Atlantic during the Kosovo conflict. Geoff Hoon, the Defence Secretary, told the Commons that with hundreds of Britons killed in Tuesday's attacks, the United Kingdom has both an interest and an obligation to provide assistance to the US to help bring those responsible to account and remove the threat that terrorists pose to the international community. Work was continuing to determine what military contribution Britain could make to assist in bringing to account those who organised, abetted and incited these acts. The British Chiefs of Staff have been meeting regularly since the attacks to look at the various military options they could offer the Americans and a number of extra liaison officers have been sent to the Pentagon. But the truth is they don't really need us, a source said. We are always happy to work alongside them, but it is much more about political support than military assistance. The US Armed Forces dwarf those of every other nation. There are 470,000 regular soldiers, with 7,600 main battle tanks, plus 170,000 Marines. The US Air Force has 2,300 combat aircraft and the US Navy more than 200 ships, including 12 aircraft carriers. The 82nd Airborne Division, based at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, and the 101st Airborne Division, at Fort Campbell, Kentucky, have been ready to fly out to the Middle East since shortly after the terrorist attacks. Two carrier task forces of the US Fifth Fleet are already in the Middle East, where there are more than 30,000 servicemen, including the 1st Infantry Division, which is on exercise in Kuwait, where 500 Abrams tanks are also based. There are more than 300 American combat aircraft in the region, including about 40 F15s and F16s at Prince Sultan Air Base, south of Jeddah, in Saudi Arabia, 36 F15s and F16s at Incirlik, Turkey, and 24 Warthog Tankbusters at Ahmed al Jabr in Kuwait. *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U. S. C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for nonprofit research and educational purposes only.[Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] Want to be on our lists? Write at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a menu of our lists! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not
Re: [CTRL] Attack 'could come this weekend' (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- If it does, it will be just so much noise, signafying nothing; no real resolution will be achieved by it, it will just be for the public's consumption, so that it will seem as if the Shrub is doing something. As the Klingons say on Star Trek, Revenge is a dish best served cold; better to wait, gather the best intelligence possible, and then go in when the target least expects it. And make sure you DO get the ones responsible, and just don't shoot at an easy target because it's available, ala Clinton's aspirin factory bombing... June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Attack of the Shark Lobby
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/10/2001 11:36:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Heck, I don't care what he does to little animals with big forks either. I do. Whenever the little animals give their consent (preferably in writing), I'll agreewith you. Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Attack of the Shark Lobby
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 9 Sep 2001, Bill Howard wrote: Condit could have, and should have survived this mess. He dug his own grave with the way he handled it. Hear! Hear! If Condit at the beginning of this thing had just come forward and said Yeah, I had an affair with Chandra Levy, and that's something just between me, her, and my wife and family, no one else's business. I have no idea what happened to Chandra, but I will lend my full cooperation to the DC police, and I extend my wholehearted support to Chandra's parents in this difficult time..and then actually have followed up with those promises, the story would have quickly faded from the headlines... It's his own waffling, equivocating, and deliberate obstruction of justice that pushed this story to the fore... Know he's known as a sexual preditor, and a pervert for some of the sexual things that it is said that he likes to engage in. If he had been more forthcoming at the beginging of this mess he may have escaped the label of pervert. You know, that in and of itself doesn't concern me...basically I feel whatever consenting adults wish to do sexually is their own business. What bothers me about Condit is the way he, his family and his staff, have such a cavalier attitude regarding Levy's disappearance...I have yet to see one of them express real concern for her welfare and for her parents...with them it's all centered around Condit, 'poor Gary' this, 'poor Gary' that... June === Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com Alternative Kite Radio (low-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Radio (high-bandwidth) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Attack of the Shark Lobby
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/10/2001 9:00:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What bothers me about Condit is the way he, his family and his staff, have such a cavalier attitude regarding Levy's disappearance...I have yet to see one of them express real concern for her welfare and for her parents...with them it's all centered around Condit, 'poor Gary' this, 'poor Gary' that... Let's face it. Guys do not really care about the girls with whom they share casual sex. Girls should be aware of this fact. They may find it hard to take, but it's just the way it is. Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Attack of the Shark Lobby
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/9/01 7:25:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Still what is up with Chandra? Are you of the belief that she is dead, or hiding. Does he even know? Whats up with Chandra? I don't know. The longer she is missing, the more I thend to believe that she is dead. One can only hide for so long. Plus whats in it for her to stay hidden? Condit just played his cards wrong. And that terminated his political career. Hopefully he will be more successful at delievering telephone directories. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Attack of the Shark Lobby
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/10/01 6:00:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You know, that in and of itself doesn't concern me...basically I feel whatever consenting adults wish to do sexually is their own business. Heck, I don't care what he does to little animals with big forks either. Sex is not a spectator sport. But certain acts are defined as perversions in the dictionary. BHoward A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Attack of the Shark Lobby
Attack of the Shark Lobby SLATE If you think it's been an embarrassing summer for Gary Condit or Little League baseball, think of the poor shark. One shark ripped an arm off a boy in Florida. A second destroyed a swimmer's leg in the Bahamas. A third inflicted a fatal 17-inch gash on a boy in Virginia. A fourth killed a man in North Carolina and tore off his girlfriend's foot. There have been dozens of lesser attacks, but you get the picture. Sharks have a PR problem. DiVERSiONZWe Do Links StuffTo Sign Up for Daily Updates or to Learn Morehttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/DiversionzWeb Presencehttp://www.geocities.com/peatluke/Diversionz.htmlArchives Available http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Diversionz/messages
Re: [CTRL] Attack of the Shark Lobby
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/9/01 2:59:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sharks have a PR problem. True. But sharks have survived for hundreds of millions of years and they will survive this. Condit on the other hand is being fed to the sharks by his own party. BHoward A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Attack of the Shark Lobby
-Caveat Lector- Interesting. They probably would have fed Clinton to the sharks too, and they did little to throw a lifesaver to him, but he was the President. Condit stepped in big pile of trouble and I am not sure exactly what anyone can do to help until it gets cleared up...or at least more info is known. ON the shark deal, it seems to me there is one way to stop the attacksstay out of their water for awhile. Peter - Original Message - From: Bill Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Attack of the Shark Lobby -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/9/01 2:59:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sharks have a PR problem. True. But sharks have survived for hundreds of millions of years and they will survive this. Condit on the other hand is being fed to the sharks by his own party. BHoward A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Attack of the Shark Lobby
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/9/01 4:45:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Condit stepped in big pile of trouble and I am not sure exactly what anyone can do to help until it gets cleared up...or at least more info is known. Condit could have, and should have survived this mess. He dug his own grave with the way he handled it. Know he's known as a sexual preditor, and a pervert for some of the sexual things that it is said that he likes to engage in. If he had been more forthcoming at the beginging of this mess he may have escaped the label of pervert. Bhoward A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Attack of the Shark Lobby
-Caveat Lector- Still what is up with Chandra? Are you of the belief that she is dead, or hiding. Does he even know? I agree that he should have fessed up and not played it so coy and leave everything to media speculation and discovery. He sunk his own sinking ship faster with this course of action in my opinion too. But if he fesses up at the beginning how much does he tell...and if he does know what happened to her how does he handle that? peat - Original Message - From: Bill Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Attack of the Shark Lobby -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/9/01 4:45:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Condit stepped in big pile of trouble and I am not sure exactly what anyone can do to help until it gets cleared up...or at least more info is known. Condit could have, and should have survived this mess. He dug his own grave with the way he handled it. Know he's known as a sexual preditor, and a pervert for some of the sexual things that it is said that he likes to engage in. If he had been more forthcoming at the beginging of this mess he may have escaped the label of pervert. Bhoward A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Attack in Genoa
-Caveat Lector- # #August 6, 2001 # #Page One Feature # #Attack Trampled Spirit of Democracy #In Genoa, Globalization Protesters Say # #By YAROSLAV TROFIMOV and IAN JOHNSON #Staff Reporters of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL # #Just before midnight on July 21, Miriam Heigl, a political-science #student from Munich, was figuring out a way to get home after #three days protesting the Group of Eight summit in the Italian #city of Genoa. # #As she scanned train schedules posted in the Armando Diaz school #complex, some 70 members of an Italian SWAT team smashed through #the front door, wielding truncheons and shields, their faces #covered with blue and red handkerchiefs. Ms. Heigl and about #30 others were arrested and taken to a police barracks, where #the 25-year-old says she was made to strip, humiliated and #deprived of basic civil liberties. # #Hospital records show that 61 others in the school fared worse #-- they ended up requiring treatment for injuries. All I remember #is being hit on the head with a truncheon right away, says #Melanie Jonasch, a 28-year-old archeology student from Berlin, #and then I woke up here -- in a Genoese hospital, where she #has had surgery for a broken mastoid bone behind her left ear. # #To millions world-wide, the Genoa G-8 summit two weeks ago will #be remembered as the most violent in a series of international #protests against globalization, a rallying cry first popularized #during clashes at a 1999 trade meeting in Seattle. As the leaders #of eight leading industrialized countries met in Italy, TV viewers #around the world watched police fight citywide battles with #anarchist militants who set dozens of cars, banks and storefronts #afire. # #But out of the TV cameras' gaze, another scene of violence was #unfolding -- on the part of the police. Now, as details of the #school raid emerge sketchily, it is turning into a political #crisis for the government of Silvio Berlusconi, the pro-American #media mogul who ran on a law-and-order platform. # #Initially, his government firmly defended police behavior. Mr. #Berlusconi said the school raid simply proved collusion between #the anarchists and mainstream demonstrators. Communications #Minister Maurizio Gasparri said it was a detail whether a #cop used his truncheon four times instead of just three. The #police, in a report a few hours after the raid, said that the #school was a refuge of the extreme fringe of the Black Block, #and all those inside were members of that violent, anarchist #group. # #More recently, however, the government said something may have #gone wrong. The judiciary has launched an inquiry into the use #of violence during the raid and the treatment of those detained. #Parliament has formed a separate commission of inquiry. Interior #Minister Claudio Scajola promised last Wednesday that if some #untoward behavior will emerge, and it looks like it is emerging, #then it will be severely reprimanded. Shortly thereafter, he #removed three top police officials, saying this would make it #easier to investigate. # #Part of the pressure on the government is coming from abroad, #especially Germany. After first helping gather information on #39 Germans arrested in the sweep at Diaz, Berlin is calling for #a fuller accounting. German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer #delivered that demand to his Italian counterpart in a telephone #call last week. # #The official inquiries are just beginning, but interviews with #numerous participants and witnesses offer the most complete #account yet of the events at the Diaz school. The accounts of #19 Diaz detainees, who were interviewed in five countries, and #those of doctors, local officials and neighborhood witnesses #indicate that heavy force was used to arrest demonstrators who, #for the most part, hadn't been organizing the preceding days' #violence but had been peacefully protesting. After being denied #contact with lawyers and families for anywhere from one to four #days, most of the people detained at Diaz were brought before #judges, who released all but one and found that the overwhelming #majority of the arrests were illegitimate. # #A complete response from the police wasn't possible because the #raid is under investigation. In an interview, Francesco Gratteri, #head of the national police Central Operative Service, partly #defended the raid. One must take into account that the raid #was very energetic because it was met with an equally energetic #resistance, said Mr. Gratteri, who stood in the school's #courtyard when the police charged in. But he added that evidently #something abnormal happened there, which is why there is an #investigation. # #
[CTRL] Attack of the killer tomato cops (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Attack of the killer tomato cops http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=23766 © 2001 WorldNetDaily.com Ever think about taking up gardening? When I say forget about it, you might wonder why. After all, according to Vita Sackville-West, The man who has planted a garden feels that he has done something for the good of the world. Sure, but the trouble isn't well-meaning sodbusters and seed-tossers, it's well-meaning drug warriors. Cops have a hard enough time distinguishing between marijuana and hemp plants (one will get you high, the other won't); now they're diversifying their ignorance to include standard garden produce - something Glen Coberly found out the hard way. While sorting through his tomato vines last week, an unmarked, dark-green helicopter buzzed overhead, followed moments later by scads of flatfoots brandishing firearms, ordering Coberly and a visiting friend to hit the dirt like dropped sacks of potatoes. They had their guns out, said Coberly, quoted in the July 20 Middlesex, Va., Daily Press. Within minutes, one officer was introducing the two to Ms. Miranda, while another inspected the contraband crop. A Homer Simpson Doh! could probably be heard for miles because they found no cannabis, just juicy red tomatoes. Going from sativa to salad is bad news for a drug bust. The Daily Press headlined the snafu, Drug agents ketchup to wrong suspects: Tomato vines, pot similar from the air. Sure enough, flying over Middlesex County to scope out pot plantations, one member of the helicopter crew said the tomatoes looked like marijuana because the color was right. The officer, according to the Daily Press, asked not to be named because he was working undercover. Piffle. He didn't want to be named because he's a chowderhead. Confusing tomatoes with dope does not look good on a resumé - and worse on the 6 o'clock news. Getting publicly tagged, Joe Schmoe, the officer who mistook tomatoes for marijuana, might be a career-inhibiting move (though, considering this is the government we're talking about here, probably not). Middlesex County Sheriff Guy Abbot apologized before leaving the scene, saying later, [W]e're not perfect; we make mistakes. Without doubt, this mistake can be blamed on bad policing. The Keystoners should have double-checked before raiding. Triple-checked. It's not like the suspect's going to flush the whole crop down the toilet, thus requiring (or excusing) a dynamic entry or no-knock-style raid. Besides, the day after the raid the same officer who explained that tomatoes look like pot from the air because of the color admitted that the hue could have been obscured by the cloudy skies. Catch that? On an overcast day, we treat word from an airborne officer like gospel. What is this, Saturday morning cartoons? Before police rush in like Power Rangers, I would hope they'd use better recon than some guy in a chopper with less than great visibility. Neither the AP nor Daily Press articles filed on the incident confirm any police fact-checking before going off half-cocked. Kid Icarus spots some leafy stuff, and it's gung-ho, Geronimo! Worse, this was a major operation. The antidrug team that descended upon Coberly involved the National Guard, state police and a local narcotics taskforce. What if Coberly was showing his friend a pistol or rifle at the time of the raid? People who own guns do that sort of thing. Let's say he's just bought a new shotgun and the two are talking about duck hunting: Hold on, let me show you my new Remington. He'd run inside while his friend picks a few tomatoes and then hear the whump-whump-whump of the chopper get closer as he stepped outside, looking up to spy the bird circling overhead. Maybe by then the police have already converged on the house, running out back, where the chopper pilot tells them they'll find their suspect. Drop the gun! Police raids not being common occurrences during produce-picking sessions, Coberly might spin around - What? - a bit confused, gun still in hand. Which do you think he'd sense first? The physical shock of the 9mm. slug penetrating his body or the audible register of the pistol? Many bullets, interestingly enough, move quicker than the speed of sound. And, in reality, it wouldn't even have to be a gun. In high-stress situations, police get less than keen with distinguishing weapons from whatever else. Remember Amadou Diallo, shot multiple times by New York police for brandishing a loaded wallet? In Shakedown: How the Government Screws You From A to Z, James Bovard recounts the case of Erdman Bascomb, killed by Seattle cops when they stormed his apartment and shot him, thinking the TV remote in his hand was a gun. You might want to consult the props department, but for the tomato raid, a garden hoe would probably suffice just fine. Sure the shooting would be justifiable. They always are. The guy had a gun, maybe; of course, the police had to fire. What else do you expect them to
Re: [CTRL] Attack of the killer tomato cops (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- I don't think it was any kind of accident. IMO, the idea is to discourage people from growing gardens, thus making them more dependent on outside suppliers (read: government) for their needs, rather than being self-sufficient (read: free). Tenorlove who can't stand store-bought tomatoes --- Yardbird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Attack of the killer tomato cops http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=23766 © 2001 WorldNetDaily.com = I find television very educating. Every time somebody turns on the set, I go into the other room and read a book. Groucho Marx, __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Attack of the killer tomato cops (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- My husband's rebuttal to my previous post: When we go on the next drug bust, I'll bring the bacon and the lettuce, you bring the toast. = I find television very educating. Every time somebody turns on the set, I go into the other room and read a book. Groucho Marx, __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] attack on BBC noncoverage of kosovo ethnic cleansing
For Immediate Release:CANA CONDEMNS BBC POLITICAL CONTROL: CALLS FOR RESIGNATION OF HEAD OF NEWSTONY HALL POLITICAL ADVISER ANN SLOMAN + AN END TO CENSORSHIP BY BBC OFFACTS RE ETHNIC CLEANSING IN KOSOVO DESTRUCTION OF EUROPE'S ARTISTICINHERITANCEStatement by Director of Christians Against NATO Aggression (CANA 83 BlackBoy Lane London N15 3AP tel/fax 44 20 88 02 21 44)[EMAIL PROTECTED]in the campaign for justice for the peoples of yugoslavia"CANA condemns BBC non coverage of negative developments in Kosovo,including the recent KLA/CIA bombing of the house of the Yugoslavrepresentative in Pristina Mr Vukicevic, which led to the death of hisdriver Goran, who died after six hours with both legs blown off."Also the failure to report the death of 4 roma people, heads of families,in Doshevetz 13 miles west of Pristina on 9th November, many otherdeaths,including six ethnic Albanians a serbian in one village."No words can possibly express the contempt we feel for the BBC'sjournalists/official media /new labour party hacks/ media apparatchiks fortheir continued acquiescence in state control of output; (their refusal toconsider strike action during the NATO war when NATO bombed the Belgradetelevision station was perhaps the lowest point in British journalism ever,only exceeded by their failure to report the mass demonstration outside theBBC over that incident.)"What information has been given to the British public about this continuedpogrom of roma, serb jewish people from kosovo + the destruction ofchurches of Kosovo, (many of them medieval of immense culturalvalue),under the eyes of NATO troops, with apparently the tacit support ofthe UN authorities an ineffectual M. Kouchner." He should resign: these are desperate days of shame for any Europeans witha residual sense of decency, but not for Tony Blair Robin Cook who areboth totally shameless."M. Kouchner is coming to London shortly, to speak at the LSE on Monday 27thNovember. He should be asked questions by LSE students, who should not sitrespectfully like good Germans, as they did when Jamie Shea arrived lasttime."These NATO apologists, including LSE prof Mary Kaldor Judge RichardGoldstone, who headed up the so called independent Kosovo Commission ofEnquiry, have blood on their hands: Mary Kaldor's 'good friend', Jamie Sheapromised NATO troops police at every street corner, to preserve minorityrights, after the so called 'liberation' of Kosovo.What is the value of such empty NATO promises now? "endsAttached: copy of letter sent to Sir Christopher Bland BBC ChairmanNovember 2nd 2000. No reply or acknowledgement has been received.To the Chairman Sir Christopher Bland BBC Board of GovernorsLondon November 2nd 2000Dear Sir Christopher.I complain about BBC coverage in relation to the Kosovo crisis, at leastfrom the time I began to take an interest in the region, which was fromFebruary 1999.It appears to me that the Corporation has expressed a degree of bias partisanship as to disqualify it from being a public service broadcaster.As you are in breach of your obligations to the public and to Parliament Ireally wonder why I should pay any license fee.During the Kosovo war I wrote a number of letters to the BBC complaining atBBC disinformation, censorship, propaganda, when I failed to receiveadequate responses complained to the Broadcasting Standards Council, (BSC).I attach herewith a letter I sent to the BSC detailing various breaches ofjournalistic ethics by the CurrentAffairs Staff. The BSC replied that they had no mandate to investigatefailings in news reporting interpretation.The misuse of the BBC's position was both in the misrepresentation of newsstories in the failure to report events. For example, when in May 1999 Iwent to Haringey Magistrates to apply for a summons against the PM otherNATO leaders first the BBC expressed great interest in the story: it wasthen killed stone dead.What happened to me at the Court that morning ( - MI6, or at least somespook, arriving insisting she sit with me during the in cameraapplication, having already squared the stipendiary Magistrate), makes astory in itself, were this happening in Chile, or Milosevic's Yugoslavia,one would imagine a great deal of BBC interest.In the end only the local freesheet reported the case. It was newsworthy in the public interest that you should have broadcast something about myallegations.Time goes by. Milosevic is overthrown, (with the German Govt admitting itgave £7million to the Opposition funnelling it through the Red Cross -another newsworthy story not mentioned.) But the BBC learns nothing.Sunday night 15th October on the Westminster Hour on Radio 4 Andrew Rawnsleysaid the Serbs were uncivilised. Thankfully Rawnsley's position is notshared by everyone in the BBC: it appears that John Humphries TimSebastian , (the latter did a magnificent job a few days ago interviewingGeorge Robertson on 24 Hours TV)
[CTRL] attack dog ACLU routs homophobics [homo/hetero boy scouts of america]
-Caveat Lector- Folks, It's all part and parcel of the socialist takeover of America. It will be real interesting to see how this affects BSA membership: ACLU of Illinois Lauds Court Ruling That Boy Scouts Cannot Discriminate Based on Sexual Orientation FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Friday, August 13, 1999 CHICAGO -- The American Civil Liberties Union of Illinois today hailed a Cook County Circuit Court decision barring the Boy Scouts from considering the sexual orientation of applicants in employment decisions. The decision in the Chicago case comes on the heels of a recent New Jersey Supreme Court decision rejecting the Boy Scouts' anti-gay policies in that state. In Dale v. Boy Scouts of America, the New Jersey high court declared that the Boy Scouts held themselves out as open to the public and were, therefore, subject to state anti-discrimination laws. The Cook County court is equally direct in its assessment that, for the Boy Scouts, "the mere sexual orientation of an employee... is not related to any nondiscriminatory basis for denying opportunities for employment." "When this ruling is considered in the context of the Dale decision last week, the courts' collective message to the Boy Scouts is powerful, clear and unmistakable," said Roger Leishman, Director of the ACLU/Roger Baldwin Foundation Gay and Lesbian Rights/AIDS and Civil Liberties Project. "The courts will no longer tolerate the Boy Scouts discriminatory practices based on sexual orientation," he said. "It is time for the Boy Scouts to bring a voluntary end to these practices and to embrace the most important values we can share with young people -- tolerance and inclusion." The case, Chicago Area Council of Boy Scouts of America v. City of Chicago Commission on Human Relations and G. Keith Richardson, was argued by staff attorneys of the ACLU of Illinois on behalf of Richardson, a former Eagle Scout who was denied consideration for employment by the local Boy Scouts in 1992. The decision by Judge Stephen A. Schiller forces an end to the Scouts' practice of discrimination in employment based on sexual orientation, and prohibits the Scouts from publishing and distributing any materials within the City of Chicago that indicate any discriminatory criteria for employment. In addition, the court's ruling supports a central argument articulated by the ACLU -- namely, that an individual's sexual orientation has no bearing on their ability to accomplish successfully the duties of any job. The court specifically ruled that the discrimination against Richardson by the Boy Scouts was particularly grievous because of the very public, inclusive nature of the organization. The Circuit Court and the City of Chicago Commission on Human Rights specially noted that the Boy Scouts have a strong tradition of tolerating and including a wide range of religious and moral viewpoints within their membership and among their sponsoring organizations. Discrimination in employment based on sexual orientation, the court found, is antithetical to this long tradition and practice of inclusion and tolerance. "I am personally thankful for the judge's ruling," said Keith Richardson, who became an Eagle Scout in 1974. "It should be pointed out, however, that this decision is broader and encompasses more than my own efforts to gain employment with the Boy Scouts," he noted. "It is a signal that, from now on, all people -- regardless of their sexual orientation -- will have an equal opportunity to continue their participation in Scouting through employment. My hope is that the result will be a more tolerant, more inclusive and stronger Boy Scouts of America." Volunteer attorneys Charles H.R. Peters of Schiff, Hardin Waite, Chicago, and Ms. Ann Rae Heitland of Flagstaff, Ariz., assisted the ACLU in this case. http://www.aclu.org/news/1999/n081399b.html --- ... "relationships" ... Source: Media Bypass, June 1999, page 19 (The Uncensored National News) Bonacci"s Story-- One of the most heart-rendering parts of the court transcript is the testimony of Paul A. Bonacci, the mind-control victim survivor, on whose behalf DeCamp sued Lawrence E. King. Bonacci testified that King took him on many trips to Washington, D.C., Kansas City, Chicago, Minnnesota and Los Angeles, where he prostituted the kidnapped and drugged youngster to the rich and famous -- and depraved. Bonacci said that "one person I'm not afraid to talk about because Larry King always said him and this guy were on opposite ends of the field because this guy was a Democrat and Larry King was a Republican ... And this guy -- every time I see him on TV, my wife knows my hatred for him ... His name is Barney Frank." When asked if he had "relationships" with him, Bonacci replied, "In Washington, D.C. And also I was sent to a house, I believe it was in Massachusetts in Boston where I believe it was his house because there's
[CTRL] * Attack Against Iraq Violates International Law
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