Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders

2001-01-25 Thread Kindred Spirit

-Caveat Lector-

Nessie, June and Prudy,
It has always been my understanding that "Caveat
Lector" was there for a reason before each post and
that a person could post something and not expect to
be attacked personally because of the content of the
post.  If an articel calls somebody a name that is not
the same as the person who posted it doing so, unless
they are also the author of the article.  So everybody
endorese every article they post 100% or issue an
elaborate explanation.  It was posted before that this
was not necessary and wasted bandwidth which I
understand is paid for by Kris and not you three
tyrants.  That is just not so because some people post
articles on both sides of an issue like Mike Spritzer.
 And it is very impractical because a person might
endorse paragraphs 3, 5 and 7 but not 2 and 4.  What
you say is not true or maybe you expect me to say you
speak with forked tongue.

I can change my name if you do not like it.  It was
changed twice for me already by people just like you,
once when I started to school and again to give me an
anglo name.  My anglo name is Abbey. I hate it. But
this time I think I will cahnge it to Prudy June.
Anglo names are better, aren't they?

Obviously, to me anyway, I meant my grandmother named
me before she died but she is dead now and cannot be
contacted, except spiritually, to ask her why she did
such an awful thing.  She died on the res in North
Carolina in the luxury accommodations there also
provided by good  people just like you.  Heat would
have been nice, but beggars cannot be choosers, can
they. And you know best how to deal with people like
us.  We are very ignorant and you are wise.  We are
band and you are good.

As for you, June, telling me to get a skin (scalp) on
ebay, you are just too funny for words and your ethnic
slur is not wasted on me.  I wonder why posting an
article containing an ethnic or racial slur written by
somebody else (and containing other more important
information)is so evil but yours to me is not. Well,
on this list that all depends on who is doing the
slurring. And more importantly which ethnic group is
being slurred.

As for having thick skins, that is not necessarily a
virtue.  Many people with thick skins have them
because they are crass and insensitive.  I have
watched you people hound others away like Eagle 1 and
I wonder just what you are so afraid of.  You cannot
tolerate people who do not agree with you.

And for your edification, June, the People of the
Hills North American Natives did not traditionally
take scalps any more than your own ancestors probably
did. Please give me your source for that implication.
I would be fascinated to read this version of history
as I have always been with regard to North American
Natives. Maybe you and Prudy and Nessie could go to
ebay yourselves and get something to make you less
hypercritical and some manners and a new decency as
yours is seriously flawed.  None of you contribute
very much to this list yet you seem to think you are
free to insult every poster you do not like and
usually operate as a wolf pack does.  Anybody who does
not like your abuse can get out and don't let the door
hit them in the ass, etc.  I know the drill.  I have
been dealing with drills from people like you my
entire life but I am still here.

Nessie, you in your blind rage have failed to notice
that nobody is or has threatened you or your imaginary
friends who are being threatened.  My friends and I
feel the very same way about somebody who lies about
us as you did me. If you are ever in North Carolina, I
would like to personally invite you to stop by for a
visit.  And I fully understand how you do not want
people like me wasting "your"air or taking up "your'
space. We have our own and should stay within it.  I
understand and am only "out" to go to school.

So anybody on the list who, as Nessie assures me,
thinks because an article I posted called somebody a
name means that I, too, did that, I want to hear from
you, too.  Please post. At leat contact me off list.
I will read all future posts with an eye that the
poster endorses, condones and is a very strong
advocate of whatever they post.  This changes the
meaning of the entire list.  Insteada of a source of
information, it is merely a soapbox for each person to
post their own views and opinions and things they
advocate. So we must all keep that in mind and post
only those causes which we are willing to die for.
That should eliminate lots of posts and leave
everything wide open for these three.
PrudyJune
(Formerly Kindred Spirit)

--- Nessie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> >If it "appars to ALL THE WORLD" that I have called
> somebody a "coon"
> why did no one else attack me?
>
>
> I got there first. The other people were apparently
> polite enough not to
> waste bandwidth with a bunch of “dittos”.
>
>
>
>
>
> >you, NESSIE are a LIAR.  I did not call anybody
> anything.  You, on the
> other hand,  called me stupid, repeatedly and a 

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders

2001-01-25 Thread Nessie

-Caveat Lector-

>If it "appars to ALL THE WORLD" that I have called  somebody a "coon"
why did no one else attack me?


I got there first. The other people were apparently polite enough not to
waste bandwidth with a bunch of “dittos”.





>you, NESSIE are a LIAR.  I did not call anybody anything.  You, on the
other hand,  called me stupid, repeatedly and a fool and said I should
not post here.


Let me rephrase that. You SOUND stupid. Maybe you’re not, but like the
man said, “If it quacks like a duck . . .”




>Then you threatened me with  physical violence in how in person you
would not be so  polite.  

That was not directed at only you. That’s a general statement. It
applies to everyone. Insult to my face, me, or my friends, or anybody I
respect, and I’ll hurt you. I don’t care who you are. I don’t care how
big you are. I don’t care how many you are. You’re gonna get hurt.
Maybe I’ll get hurt, too. Maybe I wont. Either way, I don’t care, and
either way, you’re gonna get hurt. That’s a fact. That’s how I live my
life. If you don’t like it, avoid insulting me in person, save your
insults for a safe distance, like over the internet. That’s how cowards
do it. . .


>How dare you lie and say I said something I did not 

I said you “appeared” to call somebody a “coon”. That’s no lie. You did,
in fact, do exactly that. 





>and threaten me, you little creep!!  

You know how big I am? How’d you manage that?



>I assure  you I am not one bit frightened by your threats and personal
attacks.  

Ditto. Anybody else’s either.



>You prove every FBI agent is a liar and evil. I would think some are
and some are not just like everybody  else.  

I did prove it. Anybody who refuses to resign in disgust from an
organization which murders innocent women and children in cold blood, is
evil. Evil people lie.




>It is unfortunate that you were hit by a car   but that does NOT give
you the right to call me names.  I did not do it.  


You condoned its cause.


>There are degrees and levels of  misconduct and intoxication.
Comparing an incident of  DUI with no injuries is nothing like Manson
where  murders were committed.  


They didn’t always kill. Sometimes they broke in and found nobody home.
Same with drunk driving. It doesn’t always result in death, but that’s
not the fault of the drunken driver. It’s the fault of blind fate.



>Some people have car wrecks  and run others down without being under
the influence  of alcohol, too.  

That’s a separate issue.



>Defending one is NOT defending ALL.


Defending drunk driving is defending drunk driving. The numbers are
irrelevant.



>Driving while intoxicatd is wrong and I have stated  that all along.  


Even in the case of G.W.? Is what he did wrong, yes or no?




>I know a man who has driven home from  a bar looped every night for
forty years, however,  without injuring another person other than
himself.


Blind luck.



>Oh you are so sophistocated in your liberal views!


I’m not a liberal. I’m an anarchist. I dislike liberals, and liberalism,
intensely. For details, read my last column at SFBG.com:

  http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/33.html




>Well, Clinton and Jackson both PROFESS to be Baptists  and practice a
religion that condemns adultry.  


Then they should not commit adultery. Never do anything your religion
forbids. It generates cognitive dissonance. Do not, however, attempt to
force the rest of us to practice your religion. That leads to social
dissonance. Fifteen hundred years of bloody religious warfare is enough.





>I'll bet his daughter was not at all embarassed by his actions!  You
would not have been and that is the measure by which you think the
universe is gauged--the World According to Nessie.


If it was my dad, I’d be proud he was that old and still getting some.




>DO NOT THREATEN ME AGAIN, EVER, NESSIE and do not bother to call me
names, either.  

I didn’t threaten you. I stated a fact. Anyone, yourself included, who
insults me to my face, is gonna get hurt. That’s not a threat. That’s a
fact of life, like weather or gravity. Get used to it.

On the other hand, stuff you say from the safe distance of the internet,
I don’t mind at all. Au contrair. I take it as a compliment that you
would devote so many keystrokes to me.  Feel free to continue. There’s
no such thing as bad publicity.

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders

2001-01-23 Thread Kindred Spirit

-Caveat Lector-

Nessie,
"FWD" just means "Forwarded" and is not a disclaimer
and is automatic on most of the software I have ever
used."FYI"has to at least be typed in.  Now why would
a person type that in if it did not mean something.
It means something is just being sent along for
informational value without judgment passed one way or
another.

If it "appars to ALL THE WORLD" that I have called
somebody a "coon" why did no one else attack me?
Becuase it is a LIE and you, NESSIE are a LIAR.  I did
not call anybody anything.  You, on the other hand,
called me stupid, repeatedly and a fool and said I
should not post here.  Then you threatened me with
physical violence in how in person you would not be so
polite.  How dare you lie and say I said something I
did not and threaten me, you little creep!!  I assure
you I am not one bit frightened by your threats and
personal attacks.  You should have said the ARTICle
called somebody a "coon" and not me because I did not
but I AM CALLING YOU, NESSIE, A LIAR because that is
what you are and have just proven yourself to be.

I suppose this is how you are always "civil."
Remember a while back when Kris put the "Caveat
Lector" back on every post?  That was so assholes like
you would not assume because a person posts something,
they endorse it.  Personal beliefs are just that and I
have no intention of sharing mine with scum like you,
Mr. Name-calling Liar.

You prove every FBI agent is a liar and evil. I would
think some are and some are not just like everybody
else.  It is unfortunate that you were hit by a car
but that does NOT give you the right to call me names.
 I did not do it.  There are degrees and levels of
misconduct and intoxication.  Comparing an incident of
DUI with no injuries is nothing like Manson where
murders were committed.  Some people have car wrecks
and run others down without being under the influence
of alcohol, too.  Defending one is NOT defending ALL.
Driving while intoxicatd is wrong and I have stated
that all along.  I know a man who has driven home from
a bar looped every night for forty years, however,
without injuring another person other than himself.

Oh you are so sophistocated in your liberal views!
Well, Clinton and Jackson both PROFESS to be Baptists
and practice a religion that condemns adultry.  I'll
bet his daughter was not at all embarassed by his
actions!  You would not have been and that is the
measure by which you think the universe is gauged--the
World According to Nessie.

DO NOT THREATEN ME AGAIN, EVER, NESSIE and do not
bother to call me names, either.  I call you a liar
only in response to your having lied about my post.
In the future, delete anything I post and refrain from
commenting, calling me names and threatening me. You
are 'way out of line here and have no right to do so.
This is some friendly advice you would do well to
heed.
Kindred Spirit


--- Nessie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> >Most people acknowledge the "follies of youth."
>
> By that logic, we ought to turn the Manson gang
> loose. After all, they
> were pretty  young at the time they killed those
> people.
>
>
> >Nobody cares about Clinton's sex life!
>
> That is patently false. He wouldn’t have lied about
> it if he hadn’t been
> asked, and he wouldn’t have been asked if they
> didn’t care.
>
> You yourself care, and said so, because it happened
> at the office. In
> the same office, 365 days a year for eight years in
> a row, he refused to
> lift the blockade of Iraq. At least half a million
> civilians
> died,because of that,  almost all of them women and
> children. Why don’t
> you seem to care about that?
>
>
> >It demonstrates lack of judgment  and character and
> was lying to a
> federal grand jury.
>
> Lying to protect a woman’s reputation used to be
> considered an honorable
> thing to do.
>
> Lying to a federal grand jury, or to a federal
> anything, is not only not
> wrong, it’s a duty. The federal government is EVIL.
> It murders innocent
> women and children  in cold blood. Doing anything
> whatsoever to help it
> in any way, especially telling it what it wants to
> know, makes one an
> accessory to its crimes.
>
>
> >That is not the  issue and not the complaint
> although pretty shoddy
> behavior for a married man, etc.
>
> That depends on the marriage. Many people practice
> open marriage. Who
> are you to tell other people how to practice their
> marriage?
>
> “Adulterers” are apparently a big enough voting bloc
> to elect a
> president, especially when they combine with the
> draft dodgers and pot
> smokers. Were this not true, Clinton never would
> have gotten elected in
> the first place.
> Together, adulterers, draft dodgers and pot smokers
> are apparently the
> majority in this country, and the rest of you would
> do well to sit down,
> shut up and quit hassling us before we get mad
> enough to slap you down.
> Go lead your own lives and leave us alone. Our
> patience is running out.
>
>
>
> >And yes, I reali

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders

2001-01-23 Thread Nessie

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>Most people acknowledge the "follies of youth."  

By that logic, we ought to turn the Manson gang loose. After all, they
were pretty  young at the time they killed those people.


>Nobody cares about Clinton's sex life!  

That is patently false. He wouldn’t have lied about it if he hadn’t been
asked, and he wouldn’t have been asked if they didn’t care. 

You yourself care, and said so, because it happened at the office. In
the same office, 365 days a year for eight years in a row, he refused to
lift the blockade of Iraq. At least half a million civilians
died,because of that,  almost all of them women and children. Why don’t
you seem to care about that?


>It demonstrates lack of judgment  and character and was lying to a
federal grand jury.

Lying to protect a woman’s reputation used to be considered an honorable
thing to do. 

Lying to a federal grand jury, or to a federal anything, is not only not
wrong, it’s a duty. The federal government is EVIL. It murders innocent
women and children  in cold blood. Doing anything whatsoever to help it
in any way, especially telling it what it wants to know, makes one an
accessory to its crimes.


>That is not the  issue and not the complaint although pretty shoddy
behavior for a married man, etc. 

That depends on the marriage. Many people practice open marriage. Who
are you to tell other people how to practice their marriage?

“Adulterers” are apparently a big enough voting bloc to elect a
president, especially when they combine with the draft dodgers and pot
smokers. Were this not true, Clinton never would have gotten elected in
the first place. 
Together, adulterers, draft dodgers and pot smokers are apparently the
majority in this country, and the rest of you would do well to sit down,
shut up and quit hassling us before we get mad enough to slap you down.
Go lead your own lives and leave us alone. Our  patience is running out.



>And yes, I realize  others have "done it, too" but that does not make
it a  fine example of the exactly best behavior in his position, lying
to grand juries aside.  


That’s true only to people who think sex is wrong. To the rest of us, it
is perfectly fine behavior. If anything it made the guy more likable. It
certainly didn’t cancel out the half million murders, but it sure made
him seem like a nicer person than those meddlesome prudes who attacked
him for it.  They are EVIL, if for no other reason than they distracted
the public from his REAL crimes, the half million murders. People who
try to tell others how to lead their sex lives are scum. They should die
off and quit wasting air.



>It was a very stupid thing for a person in his unique position to do
period.  

With that, I agree. But that in no way justifies what was done to him
over it. Sex is the SOLE business of the people involve. It’s not your
business, It’s not my business. And it certainly isn’t the government’s
business. Do you want the government telling YOU how to do it, or who to
do it with?


> So now Clinton is a perfect gentleman the  epitome of gracious
treatment of women, a model for  all men to follow.

I never said that. Don’t put words in my mouth. It’s rude. It’s
dishonest.

Personally, I don't think he's a gentleman at all. I think he's a
villian. OTOH, a whole lot of women sure do seem to like him a lot.
There must be some reason.



>YOU prove that he (Bush) endangered the lives of others and that there
were other drivers even present at the time.  He could have been
basically alone on the road with the officer issuing the ticket.  YOU
prove he was beyond his personal tolerance of alcohol


There was at least one other driver on the road, the cop. And Bush was
too drunk to see him in time. Whoever else was there escaped with their
lives by blind luck.


>  as some people are able to tolerate blood levels much  higher than
others.  Prove that he is not one of these.  

ANY alcohol impairs the ability to drive. Science has proven this
conclusively and repeatedly.

There is NO excuse for driving with alcohol in your blood, not any, not
ever. I’m living proof. Thirty years ago a drunk driver ran off the
road, ran me down, and drove off, leaving me to die in a ditch. It still
hurts, every single day, every step I take. If in the unlikely event
that fate ever puts him in my hands, I fully intend to hurt the man, and
I’m going to take my time doing it, too.

When you defend drunk drivers, you’re defending the guy who ran me down.
Imagine how that makes me feel about you. You’re lucky I’m as polite as
I am. If you did it in person, I wouldn't be.



>I conceded that AT THE TIME, driving under the influence of alcohol was
not given the seriousness it  deserved but you have to launch a personal
attack,  every time I post it seems, don't you?

Look, you appeared for all the world to be calling somebody a “coon.”
You DEFINITELY defended drunk driving. People like that don’t deserve to
be treated politely. You're getting of lightly. 



>Well, 

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders

2001-01-23 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

-Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 01/22/2001 7:45:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< Driving while drinking at that time
 was not taken as seriously as it should have been but
 we should compare Clinton's youth to Bush's youth and
 NOT Clinton as an adult to Bush as a yo >>

You're absolutely right.  I lived in Georgia, and I must say, driving and
drinking were not taken very seriously at all.  They could be drunk as skunks
and have amazing accidents.  It was never taken seriously if one of their
relatives was a big man around town.  And in truth, Dubya stopped drinking
when he was 40.  That was Henry Hyde's age when he was having a youthful
indiscretion.  Republicans mature later than the average bear, don't they?
Prudy

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[CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders

2001-01-23 Thread Kindred Spirit

-Caveat Lector-

You seem to have a personal problem with me, Nessie,
but I assure you that it is you and not I who looks
foolish comparing the behavior of the Leader of the
Free World, a middle-aged man, the Commander in Chief,
with that of a kid 25 years ago who was basically a
nobody at the time and quite young.  Most people
acknowledge the "follies of youth."  Nobody cares
about Clinton's sex life!  You miss the point that
this was done in the presidential office and followed
by a series of lying. It demonstrates lack of judgment
and character and was lying to a federal grand jury.
Why do you want it to be about sex?  That is not the
issue and not the complaint although pretty shoddy
behavior for a married man, etc. And yes, I realize
others have "done it, too" but that does not make it a
fine example of the exactly best behavior in his
position, lying to grand juries aside.  It was a very
stupid thing for a person in his unique position to do
period.  So now Clinton is a perfect gentleman the
epitome of gracious treatment of women, a model for
all men to follow.

YOU prove that he (Bush) endangered the lives of
others and that there were other drivers even present
at the time.  He could have been basically alone on
the road with the officer issuing the ticket.  YOU
prove he was beyond his personal tolerance of alcohol
as some people are able to tolerate blood levels much
higher than others.  Prove that he is not one of
these.  I conceded that AT THE TIME, driving under the
influence of alcohol was not given the seriousness it
deserved but you have to launch a personal attack,
every time I post it seems, don't you?

Well, I take exception to your assertion that I am a
fool, etc.  Your own logic is often flawed and mere
opinion.  As for the charges against Clinton, I do not
know if they were all covered in his deal or if we may
yet see proof of some of these.  At least the Bush
episode is over and in the past and not ongoing.

So I should not post because you do not like the
content of my post.  I will wait for Kris to inform me
of that and not you.  At least I am not violating the
"always be civil" rule as you are, twice today just to
me not counting others I may yet read.  Get a grip,
walk it off! This is not your list and others are
allowed to post here unless the Listowner decides
otherwise. Until then, kindly delete my posts as they
seem to cause you great distress concerning my mental
capabilities and state.  I don't care a rip whether
you think I am stupid (your previous post)or foolish
or both.
KS


--- Nessie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:28:39 -0800
> Reply-to: Conspiracy Theory Research List
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> From:     Nessie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject:  Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] In a First
> Act,
>   Bush Blocks Clinton Orders
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> >Yet those wanting to detract from him act as though
>  this just happened
> the way Clinton's sexcapades did.
>
> Apples and oranges. Bush endangered lives, maybe
> yours, maybe mine, and
> definitely his own.  Clinton had sex.  Nobody got
> hurt from Clinton
> having sex with Monica till the prudes butted in and
> started squawking
> about it. Then it distracted the attention of a tax
> paid public official
> and made it more difficult for him to do the job
> that we the public had
> paid him to do. So we got less work than we paid him
> for. Ergo, the
> people who impeached Clinton over his affair with
> Monica were ripping us
> off for our hard earned cash when they did it. They
> did the harm, not
> him and Monica having sex. Sex is not immoral.
> Stealing from taxpayers
> is immoral. If you’re so concerned with the morals
> of elected officials,
> why aren’t you squawking about that?
>
>
> >Rape is not serious?
>
> (1.) Rape is not sex. Rape is assault.
>
> (2.) He is ALLEGED to have raped somebody. G.W. Bush
> is alleged to be a
> shape shifting reptoid from outer space. Allegations
> are allegations,
> and nothing more.  Talk is cheap. Prove he raped
> somebody or shut up
> about it.  These unsubstantiated allegations are
> getting very boring.
>
>
> >Selling nuclear secrets to China is not serious?
>
> Again, that too is only alleged. What’s the matter,
> do you think the
> Chinese aren’t smart enough to come up with MIRV on
> their own? This is
> the culture came up with gun powder, the compass and
> paper. Their
> government ain’t much to look at, but their
> scientists are top notch.
>
>  Just because somebody alleges something, that
> doesn’t mean it’s true.
> You’re may be too young to remember, but in the 50’s
> the ultra-right was
> alleging that 

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders

2001-01-22 Thread Nessie

-Caveat Lector-

>Yet those wanting to detract from him act as though  this just happened
the way Clinton's sexcapades did.

Apples and oranges. Bush endangered lives, maybe yours, maybe mine, and
definitely his own.  Clinton had sex.  Nobody got hurt from Clinton
having sex with Monica till the prudes butted in and started squawking
about it. Then it distracted the attention of a tax paid public official
and made it more difficult for him to do the job that we the public had
paid him to do. So we got less work than we paid him for. Ergo, the
people who impeached Clinton over his affair with Monica were ripping us
off for our hard earned cash when they did it. They did the harm, not
him and Monica having sex. Sex is not immoral. Stealing from taxpayers
is immoral. If you’re so concerned with the morals of elected officials,
why aren’t you squawking about that?


>Rape is not serious?  

(1.) Rape is not sex. Rape is assault.

(2.) He is ALLEGED to have raped somebody. G.W. Bush is alleged to be a
shape shifting reptoid from outer space. Allegations are allegations,
and nothing more.  Talk is cheap. Prove he raped somebody or shut up
about it.  These unsubstantiated allegations are getting very boring.


>Selling nuclear secrets to China is not serious?  

Again, that too is only alleged. What’s the matter, do you think the
Chinese aren’t smart enough to come up with MIRV on their own? This is
the culture came up with gun powder, the compass and paper. Their
government ain’t much to look at, but their scientists are top notch. 

 Just because somebody alleges something, that doesn’t mean it’s true.
You’re may be too young to remember, but in the 50’s the ultra-right was
alleging that the President was a Communist agent.  Ultra-rightists
allege a lot of crap about people they don’t like. Allegations are
nothing but talk. Show proof or shut up about it. 

When you don’t show proof, and you don’t shut up either, you look like a
fool. Is that want you really want to do? Do you WANT to look like a
fool?  If so, here’s the space to do it. Go right ahead. Knock yourself
out.

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[CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders

2001-01-22 Thread Kindred Spirit

-Caveat Lector-

Why do we compare something Bush did when very young,
a 25-30 year old event to Clinton's recent
administration?  Driving while drinking at that time
was not taken as seriously as it should have been but
we should compare Clinton's youth to Bush's youth and
NOT Clinton as an adult to Bush as a youth.  Of
course, Clinton did not grow up and mature very much
so maybe that is why this is done.  Bush, on the other
hand seems to have outgrown this particular problem.
Yet those wanting to detract from him act as though
this just happened the way Clinton's sexcapades did.
Rape is not serious?  Selling nuclear secrets to China
is not serious?  But what Bush did 25 years ago, AHA!
Now that is relevant!
Kindred

--- T Nohava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 18:36:33 -0500
> Reply-to: Conspiracy Theory Research List
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> From: T Nohava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject:  Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks
> Clinton Orders
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> >Get your priorities straight.
> I've seen your posts here and your opinions...you
> should get your morals
> straight! I quite agree on the alcohol abuse issue
> as a problem in this
> country being a serious one, my question is after
> all this time why are
> alcoholic beverages not made illegal? I believe  I
> read a post on this list
> a few years ago that stated one of Clinton's
> encounters with Monica occurred
> while Yasir Arafat was waiting patiently in the Rose
> Garden. I would also
> say the problems in the Middle East are still not
> taken care of and are
> considerably worse than they've been in years. As
> far as his Job Impairment
> is concerned, it seemed to be a perpetuating event.
> Granted sex isn't evil,
> your just changing the context of my message. It's
> called morality, the same
> morality Clinton professed during his first
> campaign, remember Family
> Values? Oil Company profits...not so much profits as
> the citizenry
> complaining about high energy prices and shortages,
> or the Environmentalists
> wanting oil exploration stopped in certain areas.
> People bitch yet everybody
> wants to drive that new SUV or 4x4 that keeps
> sucking up all that gas.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Conspiracy Theory Research List
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> > Behalf Of Nessie
> > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 1:37 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks
> Clinton Orders
> >
> >
> > -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think he lied
> about it, he never
> > brought it
> > to the forefront, much like Clinton and his sexual
> escapades (legacy). I
> > wonder if he'll keep with recently created
> tradition in the Whitehouse
> > of
> > having dignitaries wait while he has oral sex in
> the most powerful
> > office on
> > the planet?
> >
> > He lied about it. It came out in the final weeks
> of the campaign.
> >
> > Drunk driving and oral sex, or any kind of sex,
> are equivalent only to a
> > deranged mind. Drunk driving is like standing in a
> crowded room,
> > covering your eyes with one hand while firing a
> pistol randomly around
> > the room with the other hand. Even if, through
> sheer luck, nobody gets
> > hurt, it's still a heinous crime for which there
> is no excuse.
> >
> > Sex, on the other hand, is nobody’s business
> except for the persons
> > actually involved. A case could be made that if
> doing it in the office
> > somehow impaired Clinton’s ability to do his job,
> that he shouldn’t have
> > done it there. This case has not been made. If
> anything, it seems to
> > have made him do his job more efficiently. What
> impaired his ability to
> > do his job was having to spend time defending
> himself from this
> > ridiculous charge.
> >
> > What’s more, Clinton killed at least a half a
> million Iraqis, almost all
> > of them women and children. Anybody who ignores
> that and gets upset
> > instead about his having had sex, is morally
> skewed. What’s wrong with
> > you, anyway? Can’t you see evil when you look at
> it?  Sex isn't evil.
> > Sex is Nature's WAY. Sex is a GOOD thing. If it
> weren't for sex, you
> > wouldn't even BE here. Killing women and children
> so the oil companies
> > can make greater profits is evil. Get your
> priorities straight.
>

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