Re: [CTRL] License to Kill j2
-Caveat Lector- Ynr Chyldz Wyld wrote: -Caveat Lector- From: "Nurev Ind Research" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not to mention Teddy Pendergast, and George Clinton and Parliament Funkadelic (who not only have soul, but who've "got da funk")... ;-) This is a serious discussion here. Let's not bring funk into it. Funk is VERY serious! ;-) June Oh PUHlease. J2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] License to Kill j2
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 01/04/2001 2:39:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Prudy, The man was "pulling your leg," "putting you on." That is Southern for teasing you. Some of us find it funny that you folks actually believe we are so bigoted and stupid. They think it reflects rather much on the person who "buys" it and their own "soul" or lack thereof. Sort of a verbal version of taking the Yankees "snipe" hunting. I don't find it amusing but have watched many people doing it who do. J2, you left out Bessie Smith! Now there was soul. Amelia You know, they really used to tease us a lot. I remember once in Georgia when the White Citizen's Council threatened us because a black guy who worked with my husband stopped at our house to help when he saw my husband putting up a television antenna. The teasing was really skillful. I was just too stupid to realize I was supposed to laugh. As for Bessie Smith, she was teased to death, wasn't she? Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill j2
-Caveat Lector- Ynr Chyldz Wyld wrote: -Caveat Lector- From: "Nurev Ind Research" [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is silly. Everybody knows that Negroes have soul. We have been discussing whether Negroes have souls. Of course they don't. No body does. There is no such thing. But there is clear evidence that Smokey Robinson and Isaac Hays have soul. Not to mention Teddy Pendergast, and George Clinton and Parliament Funkadelic (who not only have soul, but who've "got da funk")... ;-) This is a serious discussion here. Let's not bring funk into it. And let us not forget the ladies...Gladys Knight, Patti LaBelle, Chaka Khan, and the Queen Herself, Aretha June (who believes that everyone -- including Joshua2 -- while perhaps lacking 'soul', has A soul) ;-) Beliefs are a beautiful thing. But they have little to do with reality. Joshua ( Soulman ) 2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill j2
-Caveat Lector- Mark McHugh wrote: -Caveat Lector- Nurev Ind Research wrote: -Caveat Lector- "Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/30/2000 11:57:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believe there was some serious public debate at the time about whether Negros had souls, and this was somewhat of a compromise. And I'm not being fecetious either. Well, in Panama City, Florida in l959 or l960, my dentist (a local) informed me very seriously that "Negros did not have souls." He was a Southern Baptist and of course a college grad. He was even a fair dentist. I have no reason to believe that this man or his friends and relatives have had a change of heart. The Supreme Court laid groundwork some months back to allow the states to bring back all those lovely Jim Crow laws. Now that the same court has appointed the president, perhaps this l idea will again become the basis for a movement to return the South to its pristine white ideology. Republicans are very interesting people. Perhaps they will decide that Republicans who are black have just a tiny bit of soul. Prudy This is silly. Everybody knows that Negroes have soul. We have been discussing whether Negroes have souls. Of course they don't. No body does. There is no such thing. But there is clear evidence that Smokey Robinson and Isaac Hays have soul. Joshua2 What about the Godfather of Soul, James Brown? My only problem with including him is the word """ GOD """father. If there was a god, there would be a soul. If he would just call himself the " Father " of Soul, I would certainly include him. Even though the claim would be untrue. J2 -- ´´ Mark McHugh A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill j2
-Caveat Lector- From: "Nurev Ind Research" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not to mention Teddy Pendergast, and George Clinton and Parliament Funkadelic (who not only have soul, but who've "got da funk")... ;-) This is a serious discussion here. Let's not bring funk into it. Funk is VERY serious! ;-) June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] License to Kill j2
-Caveat Lector- Prudy, The man was "pulling your leg," "putting you on." That is Southern for teasing you. Some of us find it funny that you folks actually believe we are so bigoted and stupid. They think it reflects rather much on the person who "buys" it and their own "soul" or lack thereof. Sort of a verbal version of taking the Yankees "snipe" hunting. I don't find it amusing but have watched many people doing it who do. J2, you left out Bessie Smith! Now there was soul. Amelia - Original Message - From: "Nurev Ind Research" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] License to Kill j2 -Caveat Lector- "Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/30/2000 11:57:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believe there was some serious public debate at the time about whether Negros had souls, and this was somewhat of a compromise. And I'm not being fecetious either. Well, in Panama City, Florida in l959 or l960, my dentist (a local) informed me very seriously that "Negros did not have souls." He was a Southern Baptist and of course a college grad. He was even a fair dentist. I have no reason to believe that this man or his friends and relatives have had a change of heart. The Supreme Court laid groundwork some months back to allow the states to bring back all those lovely Jim Crow laws. Now that the same court has appointed the president, perhaps this l idea will again become the basis for a movement to return the South to its pristine white ideology. Republicans are very interesting people. Perhaps they will decide that Republicans who are black have just a tiny bit of soul. Prudy This is silly. Everybody knows that Negroes have soul. We have been discussing whether Negroes have souls. Of course they don't. No body does. There is no such thing. But there is clear evidence that Smokey Robinson and Isaac Hays have soul. Joshua2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/30/2000 11:57:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believe there was some serious public debate at the time about whether Negros had souls, and this was somewhat of a compromise. And I'm not being fecetious either. Well, in Panama City, Florida in l959 or l960, my dentist (a local) informed me very seriously that "Negros did not have souls." He was a Southern Baptist and of course a college grad. He was even a fair dentist. I have no reason to believe that this man or his friends and relatives have had a change of heart. The Supreme Court laid groundwork some months back to allow the states to bring back all those lovely Jim Crow laws. Now that the same court has appointed the president, perhaps this l idea will again become the basis for a movement to return the South to its pristine white ideology. Republicans are very interesting people. Perhaps they will decide that Republicans who are black have just a tiny bit of soul. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- Now Prudy after Civil War, Republicans were called Black Republicans and no because of their color - when my mother died they played Dixie at her funeral and she still called Republicans, Black Republicans and Lincoln - well she was a very proper lady and good thing. Thought I might suggest this - something someone tried to tell me a long time ago when I was raising cain and ruffling feathers over my charges that a certain secret society murdered JFK, RFK, and King.. This man had son in law at Langley - a younger Colonel..he said something about two bars, what does that mean - supposedly it meant ordnance - someone in military - It occurred to me, license to kill..who really has license to kill, but the military..they hold court martials of soldiers, some who go AWOL and they can put in stockaces for years but the EXECUTE, they do not murder - the EXECUTE JUDGMENT.therefore in their own eyes, are innocent of any wrong doing. Kennedy had been charged with treasonhe was Commander in Chief and he was executed by an EX marine.who got their hooks onto Oswald. So somewhere out there is a high tribunal comprised of military - they execute judgment and murder - read one story on them once in an old, old book now removed from all shelves. They would meet at midnight..and like the Apollyons used draconian laws and probably like Jack the Ripper signed death warrants in blood (or at least red ink) There was a great General, Robert E. Lee, and no doubt descendent from the real General Leehe and this General Walker got into trouble in GermanyGeneral Lee called my brother in law for helphe was in deep.some say he had had a breakdown, but he had been a house guest many times at their home and a wonderful man - he was onto the communist threat - but at one time Life Magazine did an article on him, calling him the Air Force's most valuable man. So what if there is a group of men, former military, playing Godlike the Mafia or do they hire Mafia killersalways have lots of guns and bombs - and know this country has been in great danger - so they take military law and disregard constitutional law, etc. for when a man goes into the service it seems he loses his civil rights. That one guy executed for going AWOL...Private Slovick - made a movie of him, woulnd't you know starring Martin Sheen..Eisenhower used him as an exampleFirst he was court martialed and thrown out of the army - and then he was executedit would seem to me once he was tossed out of arm, they had no legal control over the man. So get out your Gideon Bible...These people believe they operate within the law military lawand as Commander in Chief, does this mean a President has the right to order a hit Well from look of Clinton's body bag count - I would say yes. Maybe this is why JFK was charged with treason for death sentence of these killers - can only be used for Treason or Murder. Remember the Black Bordered Ad? But then remember behind this all, we have War Hogs out for big bucks..love that Admiral Crow - can only compare to Dr. Death. It took the KKK Grand Dragos to weed out the Walker spies when KGB formed a klan. So to each his own..we are dealing with a non official military element hereno wonder Clinton had 10,000 body guards. Saba A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill j2
-Caveat Lector- "Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/30/2000 11:57:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believe there was some serious public debate at the time about whether Negros had souls, and this was somewhat of a compromise. And I'm not being fecetious either. Well, in Panama City, Florida in l959 or l960, my dentist (a local) informed me very seriously that "Negros did not have souls." He was a Southern Baptist and of course a college grad. He was even a fair dentist. I have no reason to believe that this man or his friends and relatives have had a change of heart. The Supreme Court laid groundwork some months back to allow the states to bring back all those lovely Jim Crow laws. Now that the same court has appointed the president, perhaps this l idea will again become the basis for a movement to return the South to its pristine white ideology. Republicans are very interesting people. Perhaps they will decide that Republicans who are black have just a tiny bit of soul. Prudy This is silly. Everybody knows that Negroes have soul. We have been discussing whether Negroes have souls. Of course they don't. No body does. There is no such thing. But there is clear evidence that Smokey Robinson and Isaac Hays have soul. Joshua2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill j2
-Caveat Lector- From: "Nurev Ind Research" [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is silly. Everybody knows that Negroes have soul. We have been discussing whether Negroes have souls. Of course they don't. No body does. There is no such thing. But there is clear evidence that Smokey Robinson and Isaac Hays have soul. Not to mention Teddy Pendergast, and George Clinton and Parliament Funkadelic (who not only have soul, but who've "got da funk")... ;-) And let us not forget the ladies...Gladys Knight, Patti LaBelle, Chaka Khan, and the Queen Herself, Aretha June (who believes that everyone -- including Joshua2 -- while perhaps lacking 'soul', has A soul) ;-) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill j2
-Caveat Lector- Nurev Ind Research wrote: -Caveat Lector- "Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/30/2000 11:57:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believe there was some serious public debate at the time about whether Negros had souls, and this was somewhat of a compromise. And I'm not being fecetious either. Well, in Panama City, Florida in l959 or l960, my dentist (a local) informed me very seriously that "Negros did not have souls." He was a Southern Baptist and of course a college grad. He was even a fair dentist. I have no reason to believe that this man or his friends and relatives have had a change of heart. The Supreme Court laid groundwork some months back to allow the states to bring back all those lovely Jim Crow laws. Now that the same court has appointed the president, perhaps this l idea will again become the basis for a movement to return the South to its pristine white ideology. Republicans are very interesting people. Perhaps they will decide that Republicans who are black have just a tiny bit of soul. Prudy This is silly. Everybody knows that Negroes have soul. We have been discussing whether Negroes have souls. Of course they don't. No body does. There is no such thing. But there is clear evidence that Smokey Robinson and Isaac Hays have soul. Joshua2 What about the Godfather of Soul, James Brown? -- ´´ Mark McHugh A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: "Vera Harper" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 December 2000 05:14 Subject: Re: [CTRL] License to Kill -Caveat Lector- Is that supposed to be a joke? Are we to understand from that statement that Bill Clinton wants to be a tyrant? How could Clinton keep a straight face while saying that? And how could anyone repeat it and have credibility? Michael wrote: The road to tyranny, we must never forget, begins with the destruction of the truth. -- Bill Clinton a couple of weeks back you were shrugging off bush's comments as just a good ol' boy makin' a joke about dictatorships. remember? go and tell me i am a hypocrite again vera. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- ROTFL!! J2 does not suffer fools gladly, does he? This does seem to be what is being fished for with the inquiry. J2 aims to please. LOL! Kindred Johannes Schmidt III wrote: -Caveat Lector- I believe there was some serious public debate at the time about whether Negros had souls, and this was somewhat of a compromise. And I'm not being fecetious either. Negros don't have souls. J2 __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- c. i ask you again what that 3/5s comment is alluding to. MJ Nothing. It is simply a portion of a formula for determining Representatives. c. the group of people this fraction applies to is not stated. but the fractions (or not) relating to other groups *are* stated. so which group of people is the fraction used for? MJ There is no 'faction'. This is a formula for determining Representation of a State. Regard$, --MJ You cannot teach a man anything; you can only help him find it within himself. -- Galileo A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- The road to tyranny, we must never forget, begins with the destruction of the truth. -- Bill Clintot Vera Is that supposed to be a joke? MJ My relating it? No. Bill's utterance? Got me. Vera Are we to understand from that statement that Bill Clinton wants to be a tyrant? MJ I certainly do not. Vera How could Clinton keep a straight face while saying that? MJ Was his face straight when he stated it? Vera And how could anyone repeat it and have credibility? MJ Easily. Regard$, --MJ The important thing is to stop lying to yourself. A man who lies to himself, and believes his own lies, becomes unable to recognize the truth, either in himself or in anyone else, and he ends up losing respect for himself as well as for others. When he has no respect for anyone, he can no longer love and, in order to divert himself, having no love in him, he yields to his impulses, indulges in the lowest forms of pleasure, and behaves in the end like an animal, in satisfying his vices. And it all comes from lying -- lying to others and to yourself. -- Feodor Mikhailovich Dostoyevsky 1880 _The Brothers Karamazov_ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- This is a formula for determining Representation of a State. Representation of a State is determined by counting the number of human beings who live there. The formula calls for some human beings to counted as a human being, some human beings to be counted as three fifths of a human being, and other human beings not to be counted at all. A HREF!ttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ÝÝÝCTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ÝÝÝÚrchives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF!ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF!ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A o subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- MJ This is a formula for determining Representation of a State. Nesie Representation of a State is determined by counting the number of human beings who live there. The formula calls for some human beings to counted as a human being, some human beings to be counted as three fifths of a human being, and other human beings not to be counted at all. MJ This is simply absurd nonsense. Citing the entire piece AGAIN in hopes you will actually read it rather than continuing with these nonsensical regurgitations of fantasy ... AI, S2, C3 Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which SHALL BE DETERMINED BY ADDING to the WHOLE NUMBER of FREE PERSONS, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and EXCLUDING INDIANS not taxed, THREE FIFTHS OF ALL OTHER PERSONS. Please note that nowhere are your delusionary fantasies realized. Regard$, --MJ Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. -- Martin Luther King, Jr A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- ah, denial. ok... there is no 'fraction'... LOL the 3/5s that you have been saying is not to do with slaves- now you say it isn't even there *sigh* anything else you would like to deny- holocaust possibly? ;) - Original Message - From: "M.A. Johnson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 December 2000 16:31 Subject: Re: [CTRL] License to Kill -Caveat Lector- c. i ask you again what that 3/5s comment is alluding to. MJ Nothing. It is simply a portion of a formula for determining Representatives. c. the group of people this fraction applies to is not stated. but the fractions (or not) relating to other groups *are* stated. so which group of people is the fraction used for? MJ There is no 'faction'. This is a formula for determining Representation of a State. Regard$, --MJ You cannot teach a man anything; you can only help him find it within himself. -- Galileo A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- lol - Original Message - From: "M.A. Johnson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 December 2000 20:50 Subject: Re: [CTRL] License to Kill not taxed, THREE FIFTHS OF ALL OTHER PERSONS. Regard$, --MJ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: "M.A. Johnson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 December 2000 20:50 Subject: Re: [CTRL] License to Kill not taxed, THREE FIFTHS OF ALL OTHER PERSONS. Regard$, --MJ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- c. i ask you again what that 3/5s comment is alluding to. MJ Nothing. It is simply a portion of a formula for determining Representatives. c. the group of people this fraction applies to is not stated. but the fractions (or not) relating to other groups *are* stated. so which group of people is the fraction used for? MJ There is no 'faction'. This is a formula for determining Representation of a State. c. ah, denial. ok... there is no 'fraction'... LOL the 3/5s that you have been saying is not to do with slaves- now you say it isn't even there *sigh* anything else you would like to deny- holocaust possibly? ;) MJ Demonstrating your inability to read again? You do readily see the difference between FACTION and FRACTION? Typical. Regard$, --MJ It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument. -- William G. McAdoo A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- I quite agree that Negros don't have souls. I don't believe white people have souls either. Praise Him! On Sun, 31 Dec 2000 01:49:25 -0800 Kindred Spirit [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- ROTFL!! J2 does not suffer fools gladly, does he? This does seem to be what is being fished for with the inquiry. J2 aims to please. LOL! Kindred Johannes Schmidt III wrote: -Caveat Lector- I believe there was some serious public debate at the time about whether Negros had souls, and this was somewhat of a compromise. And I'm not being fecetious either. Negros don't have souls. J2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- Johannes Schmidt III wrote: -Caveat Lector- I believe there was some serious public debate at the time about whether Negros had souls, and this was somewhat of a compromise. And I'm not being fecetious either. Negros don't have souls. J2 On Wed, 27 Dec 2000 20:20:26 -0500 "M.A. Johnson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Nessie They did no such thing. Slaves were considered three-fifths of a human being. MJ Bullshit. Point to the specific article, section and clause. Nessie Article 1, Section two of the American Constitution: "The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States . . . "Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons." MJ You confuse a formula for determining Representation with people. Nowhere in the citation YOU provided does it claim that, "Slaves were considered three-fifths of a human being." c. so what does it refer to? it is a formula for measuring people and those people are measured at 3/5s of the value of a free person. and the group of people being measured at 3/5s are who? MJ Since you have such trouble with the English language in ALL of its simplicity ... For mathematical purposes ... The Country has 1300 persons who do not fit the criterion listed within the formula. There are 52 Representatives so allotted. State One has 200 persons State Two has 160 persons plus 67 persons that fit the description. State One receives 8 Representatives OR 1 per 25 persons State Two receives 8 Representatives OR 1 per 28 persons Where are people 'measured'? Where are 'slaves considered three-fifths of a human being'? Regard$, --MJ Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish. -- Euripides A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- MJ Additionally, there is no declaration, claim, assertion or otherwise that slaves are 3/5 of a human that can be found within the United States Constitution -- yours and others efforts at mental masturbation inclusive. What is referenced is simply a formula for determining House Representation -- no more, no less. Nessie House Representation is determined by the number of human beings living in a district. The Constitution said count them all except "Indians," and count slaves as only three fifths. If one counts human beings for any purpose, and some human beings only count for three fifths of a human being, how is that different from counting some human beings as only three fifths of a human being? AI, S2, C3 Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which SHALL BE DETERMINED BY ADDING to the WHOLE NUMBER of FREE PERSONS, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and EXCLUDING INDIANS not taxed, THREE FIFTHS OF ALL OTHER PERSONS. MJ Please note the emphasized (by me) words. Please further note that this FORMULA does NOT claim that all other persons are three-fifths a human being ... it simply ADDS three-fifths of all other persons. State's respective Number = FP-NTI+3/5 (AOP) Apparently you and others have some sort of quest at making apples into oranges. This is a FORMULA and nothing more. Regard$, --MJ The road to tyranny, we must never forget, begins with the destruction of the truth. -- Bill Clinton A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- c. i ask you again what that 3/5s comment is alluding to. MJ Nothing. It is simply a portion of a formula for determining Representatives. Regard$, --MJ It is easier to perceive error than to find truth, for the former lies on the surface and is easily seen, while the latter lies in the depth, where few are willing to search for it. -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- the group of people this fraction applies to is not stated. but the fractions (or not) relating to other groups *are* stated. so which group of people is the fraction used for? - Original Message - From: "M.A. Johnson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 December 2000 00:48 Subject: Re: [CTRL] License to Kill -Caveat Lector- c. i ask you again what that 3/5s comment is alluding to. MJ Nothing. It is simply a portion of a formula for determining Representatives. Regard$, --MJ It is easier to perceive error than to find truth, for the former lies on the surface and is easily seen, while the latter lies in the depth, where few are willing to search for it. -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- Is that supposed to be a joke? Are we to understand from that statement that Bill Clinton wants to be a tyrant? How could Clinton keep a straight face while saying that? And how could anyone repeat it and have credibility? Michael wrote: The road to tyranny, we must never forget, begins with the destruction of the truth. -- Bill Clinton From CBNnow web-based E-mail, part of the growing CBNnow web presence. CBNnow, your source for news, information, and inspiration in the new millenium. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- I believe they made the same distinction for Indians. On Wed, 27 Dec 2000 13:44:34 -0600 K [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- On 27 Dec 2000, at 11:20, Nessie wrote: -Caveat Lector- It is time to go back to the wisdom of the Founders, who wrote a constitution without reference to ethnic or gender groups. They did so in order to render us equal before the nation's system of law. They did no such thing. Slaves were considered three-fifths of a human being. That is because the northern non-slaveholding states feared that counting them as a whole human being would give the southern states too much influence. This was a compromise position. -- No one can read our Constitution without concluding that the people who wrote it wanted their government severely limited; the words "no" and "not" employed in restraint of government power occur 24 times in the first seven articles of the Constitution a nd 22 more times in the Bill of Rights. - Edmund A. Opitz A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- I believe there was some serious public debate at the time about whether Negros had souls, and this was somewhat of a compromise. And I'm not being fecetious either. On Wed, 27 Dec 2000 20:20:26 -0500 "M.A. Johnson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Nessie They did no such thing. Slaves were considered three-fifths of a human being. MJ Bullshit. Point to the specific article, section and clause. Nessie Article 1, Section two of the American Constitution: "The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States . . . "Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons." MJ You confuse a formula for determining Representation with people. Nowhere in the citation YOU provided does it claim that, "Slaves were considered three-fifths of a human being." c. so what does it refer to? it is a formula for measuring people and those people are measured at 3/5s of the value of a free person. and the group of people being measured at 3/5s are who? MJ Since you have such trouble with the English language in ALL of its simplicity ... For mathematical purposes ... The Country has 1300 persons who do not fit the criterion listed within the formula. There are 52 Representatives so allotted. State One has 200 persons State Two has 160 persons plus 67 persons that fit the description. State One receives 8 Representatives OR 1 per 25 persons State Two receives 8 Representatives OR 1 per 28 persons Where are people 'measured'? Where are 'slaves considered three-fifths of a human being'? Regard$, --MJ Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish. -- Euripides A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: "M.A. Johnson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 December 2000 01:20 Subject: Re: [CTRL] License to Kill MJ Since you have such trouble with the English language in ALL of its simplicity ... For mathematical purposes ... The Country has 1300 persons who do not fit the criterion listed within the formula. There are 52 Representatives so allotted. since you are condescending to sort out my trouble with basic english- you can also enlighten me as to just who fits the "criterion" that you refer to. or did you really, truly misunderstand my point? i thought you were just avoiding the point because it doesn't suit you to confront it- but maybe your grip on the language is not all that it might be either? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- c. since you are condescending to sort out my trouble with basic english- you MJ There is no such thing as 'english' -- basic or otherwise. Additionally, there is no declaration, claim, assertion or otherwise that slaves are 3/5 of a human that can be found within the United States Constitution -- yours and others efforts at mental masturbation inclusive. What is referenced is simply a formula for determining House Representation -- no more, no less. Regard$, --MJ Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. -- Martin Luther King, Jr A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- On 27 Dec 2000, at 22:58, BB wrote: You people are all so busy arguing ridiculous points, and feeling so smug as to how you can each of you poke each other in the eye, that you are very far afield of the intent of the article, which was simply to point out that there is black racism and a refusal on the part of the media to acknowledge it. Thank you. I was just about to post a similar thought. -- How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words! --Samuel Adams (1722-1803), letter to John Pitts, January 21, 1776 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- Blacks were not the only slaves! It gave control to the north instead of allowing the blacks in the south to have their voices heard. So, carpet baggers took over the land and kept all the people, not just the blacks enslaved. kl wrote: -Caveat Lector- On 27 Dec 2000, at 22:58, BB wrote: You people are all so busy arguing ridiculous points, and feeling so smug as to how you can each of you poke each other in the eye, that you are very far afield of the intent of the article, which was simply to point out that there is black racism and a refusal on the part of the media to acknowledge it. Thank you. I was just about to post a similar thought. -- How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words! --Samuel Adams (1722-1803), letter to John Pitts, January 21, 1776 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om -- Any person can stand adversity, The true test is to give a person power. If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you will be. Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus. "I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of others to differ from me in opinion" Thomas Jefferson My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people: those who do the work and those who take the credit. He told me to be in the first group - there is less competition there. - Indira Gandhi http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/~index.htm ICQ 14484977 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ThePiedPiper.tripod.com/ http://ThePiedPiper.tripod.com/Sum2000.htm A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- Additionally, there is no declaration, claim, assertion or otherwise that slaves are 3/5 of a human that can be found within the United States Constitution -- yours and others efforts at mental masturbation inclusive. What is referenced is simply a formula for determining House Representation -- no more, no less. House Representation is determined by the number of human beings living in a district. The Constitution said count them all except "Indians," and count slaves as only three fifths. If one counts human beings for any purpose, and some human beings only count for three fifths of a human being, how is that different from counting some human beings as only three fifths of a human being? A HREF!ttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ÝÝÝCTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ÝÝÝÚrchives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF!ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF!ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A o subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- hmmm... greetings michael, regardless of your ill humoured and somewhat aggresive reply to my query about what the passage refers to, i ask you again what that 3/5s comment is alluding to. i do not have a belief to support in this instance- but i was surprised and interested in the vehement replies. you are obviously frustrated by the suggestion made, but i do not understand why. so please tell me what it *does* mean- i am genuinely curious as i had not known about it before. i know you are very interested in the constitution and i respect the knowledge you have of it and so far i have been putting your aggression regarding the suggestion down to not suffering fools gladly. is that the case? maybe the theory about the 3/5scalculation being anything to do with slaves is totally wrong- but i would appreciate you clearing up what it does actually refer to. i mean, i know you said it is only about representation- but surely you can expand on it a little bit more because to the untrained eye- it certainly looks like it is referring to the representation of another group of people- and slaves seem the obvious choice due to their omission from the list of people. but Mumpsimus, please understand that it is no surprise that people allege your association with- or even that you may be Dick Jones- your prose style is interestingly similar and i am wondering that if the allegations are true regarding either your real identity (if it is assumed)- or your association with dick and the boys then maybe *you* have a belief system to protect when you argue that the constitution is in no way relating to slavery in the quoted passage. please enlighten me if you wish. and one last thing- why do you even bother to split hairs regarding "english" and "english language"? it is so wet of you to do that, very close to basing any return arguement on the spelling mistakes i may make rather than what i am trying to communicate to you- which you fully understood, of course. and wait until you can use the english language properly- rather than the bastardised (not bastardized) "american english" before you begin to lecture me on my language. kind regards c. - Original Message - From: "M.A. Johnson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 December 2000 12:38 Subject: Re: [CTRL] License to Kill -Caveat Lector- c. since you are condescending to sort out my trouble with basic english- you MJ There is no such thing as 'english' -- basic or otherwise. Additionally, there is no declaration, claim, assertion or otherwise that slaves are 3/5 of a human that can be found within the United States Constitution -- yours and others efforts at mental masturbation inclusive. What is referenced is simply a formula for determining House Representation -- no more, no less. Regard$, --MJ Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. -- Martin Luther King, Jr A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- You people are all so busy arguing ridiculous points, and feeling so smug as to how you can each of you poke each other in the eye, that you are very far afield of the intent of the article, which was simply to point out that there is black racism and a refusal on the part of the media to acknowledge it. When you catch a guy in a bald faced lie, everything else he says, especially in then same article, is suspect. Horowitz's account of mass media's distortion is as distorted as the mass media itself. It is important to distinguish between local coverage and national coverage. The men who decide what gets national coverage and what the spin will be are mass mind control artists of the first caliber. Yeah, they do under report Black racist crimes. This is an extremely minor problem compared to their other distortions, omissions and outright lies. More importantly, it also seems only to bother a very few people, people with a very specific agenda. Why are these people not equally upset over the free ride that corporate criminals get in the mass media? Why are they not outraged at the mass media's government financed propaganda for the War On (Some) Drugs? Why don't they throw one of their famous hissy fits when (yet another) Republican gets caught with his hand in the cookie jar? We can only speculate. I suspect that it is because they are closet racists. Speaking of Republicans caught with their hand in the cookie jar, check out: http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/32.html A HREF!ttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ÝÝÝCTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ÝÝÝÚrchives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF!ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF!ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A o subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Nessie [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 12:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] License to Kill When you catch a guy in a bald faced lie, everything else he says, especially in then same article, is suspect. This is classic, the application of ILLOGIC principals to disprove unwanted assertions. UFO debunkers are the experts at this and it goes like this: 1. Y made statements A-X in tract Z. 2. Statement A can be proven false. 3. Therefore statements B-X are all false. It was bullshit the first time Philip Klass and his cohorts used it and it's still a bullshit technique. But it continues to be used because it works. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Politically Correct counts by who's politics? Nessie wrote: -Caveat Lector- Additionally, there is no declaration, claim, assertion or otherwise that slaves are 3/5 of a human that can be found within the United States Constitution -- yours and others efforts at mental masturbation inclusive. What is referenced is simply a formula for determining House Representation -- no more, no less. House Representation is determined by the number of human beings living in a district. The Constitution said count them all except "Indians," and count slaves as only three fifths. If one counts human beings for any purpose, and some human beings only count for three fifths of a human being, how is that different from counting some human beings as only three fifths of a human being? A HREF=ttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ===CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. == Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A == To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om -- Any person can stand adversity, The true test is to give a person power. If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you will be. Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus. "I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of others to differ from me in opinion" Thomas Jefferson My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people: those who do the work and those who take the credit. He told me to be in the first group - there is less competition there. - Indira Gandhi http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/~index.htm ICQ 14484977 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ThePiedPiper.tripod.com/ http://ThePiedPiper.tripod.com/Sum2000.htm A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- License to Kill http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/dh/2000/david07-13-00.htm David Horowitz FrontPageMagazine.com | July 13, 2000 IT WHEN A YOUNG MAN named Matthew Shepard was tortured and left to die on the high plains of Wyoming simply because he was gay, the nation was outraged. Earlier that year, an even more brutal attack was made on the person of James Byrd Jr., a black man in Texas. Like Shepard's murder, Byrd's was followed by outpourings of anger and grief from editorial pages and political pulpits across the country. Well and good enough. These responses are signs of health in the body politic, the presence of a will to summon the better angels of our nature, and to keep the savagery that lurks beneath the surface of any civilized society safely at bay. But by contrast, most of the nation never knew about another crime that took place more than a year before the attack on James Byrd. Three white Michigan youngsters hitched a train-ride as a teenage lark. When they got off the train, they found themselves in the wrong urban neighborhood, surrounded by a gang of armed black youths. One of the white teenagers, Michael Carter, aged fourteen, was killed. Dustin Kaiser, aged fifteen, who was brutally beaten and shot in the head, eventually recovered. The fourteen-year-old girl (whose name has been withheld) was pistol-whipped and shot in the face after being forced to perform oral sex on her attackers. Though the six African-Americans responsible for the deed were arrested and convicted, their attack was not prosecuted as a hate crime. More to the point, most of the nation never knew that the crime had taken place. It was not reported on page one of the national press, and there was no public outrage expressed in the nation's editorials or in the halls of Congress. Indeed, the few papers that reported the incident nationally did so on their inside pages. Beyond the Great Lakes region, the stories often failed to mention the races of the participants at all. The crime took place on July 21, 1997, but among readers of this book, there will not be one in a hundred who has even heard of it, because, as a hate crime, it was in a perverse sense politically incorrect. To notice that black people, as well as whites, can be responsible for vicious crimes of hate, is improper. Hate crimes can only be committed by an oppressor caste; therefore, what happened in Michigan was not a hate crime at all. The fact is that it is not tolerable in America to hate blacks, but it is okay in our politically correct culture to hate white people. Hollywood understands this rule of progressive etiquette. A recent film, American History X, features (for the umpteenth time) white neo-Nazis as the villains of a homily about racial bigotry. The idea is that race hatred is synonymous with "skin-heads" who are white. But a few years ago a sensational mass murder trial in Miami spotlighted a black cult leader named Yahweh Ben Yahweh, who required his cult members to kill whites and bring back their ears as proof of the deed. One of his recruits was a star football player. Seven people were murdered. But there was no Hollywood scramble for the rights to the Yahweh cult story, as there would have been if the colors were reversed or everyone had been white. As a result, few Americans are even aware that these murders ever took place. According to Department of Justice figures, 85 percent of the crimes of interracial violence nationwide are committed by blacks against whites. How many of these crimes are actually the result of black racism, and therefore hate crimes? There is no real way to tell. There is, however, plenty of anecdotal evidence that suggests the problem is not negligible. A recent spate of brutal and random murders in a single Los Angeles district, for example, was explained by one black inhabitant to a Los Angeles Times reporter as retaliation for the "fact" that "whites had taken all the black jobs." Of course, the leftist academy has a ready answer for every question about black racism: Only whites can be racist. The alleged reasoning behind this assertion is that in our society only whites have power. This is the kind of absurdity only an intellectual could think up. Forget the thousands of public officials great and small, police chiefs, judges, administrators, and members of congress, petty bureaucrats, corporate executives, and military officers now drawn from the ranks of minorities, who wield social power in various forms. At the most elemental level, a black with a gun and there are many has the power of life and death over an unarmed law-abiding citizen of any race or color. The doctrine that only whites can be racist is, in fact, itself an instigation to hate crimes. It is a doctrine that has already spread to the secondary schools. The week after the Shepard killing, a Seattle father called a national talk radio show on which I was a guest and told the audience
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- It is time to go back to the wisdom of the Founders, who wrote a constitution without reference to ethnic or gender groups. They did so in order to render us equal before the nation's system of law. They did no such thing. Slaves were considered three-fifths of a human being. A HREF!ttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ÝÝÝCTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ÝÝÝÚrchives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF!ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF!ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A o subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- On 27 Dec 2000, at 11:20, Nessie wrote: -Caveat Lector- It is time to go back to the wisdom of the Founders, who wrote a constitution without reference to ethnic or gender groups. They did so in order to render us equal before the nation's system of law. They did no such thing. Slaves were considered three-fifths of a human being. That is because the northern non-slaveholding states feared that counting them as a whole human being would give the southern states too much influence. This was a compromise position. -- No one can read our Constitution without concluding that the people who wrote it wanted their government severely limited; the words "no" and "not" employed in restraint of government power occur 24 times in the first seven articles of the Constitution a nd 22 more times in the Bill of Rights. - Edmund A. Opitz A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Nessie They did no such thing. Slaves were considered three-fifths of a human being. MJ Bullshit. Point to the specific article, section and clause. Regard$, --MJ If a million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. -- Anatole France A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- On 27 Dec 2000, at 11:55, Nessie wrote: That was because the northern non-slaveholding states were afraid that counting them as a whole human being would give the southern states too much influence. This was a compromise position. It doesn't matter why they did it. They did it. Ergo, David Horowitz lied. He said the ideal was "imperfectly realized" - this implies recognition of the compromise and recognition that there was room for improvement. "Lie" is too strong an accusation to apply to an alternate interpretation of events. "Opinion different from Nessie's (or mine, anyone else's) opinion" doesn't equal "lie". If it did, we could all rightfully call at least half the people on this list liars just because they don't agree with us. -- The worst thing in this world, next to anarchy, is government. - Henry Ward Beecher A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- He said the ideal was "imperfectly realized" - this implies recognition of the compromise and recognition that there was room for improvement. "Lie" is too strong an accusation to apply to an alternate interpretation of events. "Opinion different from Nessie's (or mine, anyone else's) opinion" doesn't equal "lie". If it did, we could all rightfully call at least half the people on this list liars just because they don't agree with us. This is faulty logic. It is irrelevant whether Horowitz agrees with me or no. He does not agree with the facts. The Constitution said slaves were less than human. It even specified precisely how less than human they were. That's a fact. Horowitz said the Constitution did not do this. Ergo, Horowitz lied. That "imperfection" of the Constitution is a separate issue. A HREF!ttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ÝÝÝCTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ÝÝÝÚrchives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF!ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF!ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A o subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Point to the specific article, section and clause. Article 1, Section two of the American Constitution: "The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States . . . "Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons." A HREF!ttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ÝÝÝCTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ÝÝÝÚrchives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF!ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF!ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A o subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Nessie They did no such thing. Slaves were considered three-fifths of a human being. MJ Bullshit. Point to the specific article, section and clause. Nessie Article 1, Section two of the American Constitution: "The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States . . . "Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons." MJ You confuse a formula for determining Representation with people. Nowhere in the citation YOU provided does it claim that, "Slaves were considered three-fifths of a human being." Regard$, --MJ If a million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. -- Anatole France A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: "M.A. Johnson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 December 2000 22:06 Subject: Re: [CTRL] License to Kill three fifths of all other Persons." so what does it refer to? it is a formula for measuring people and those people are measured at 3/5s of the value of a free person. and the group of people being measured at 3/5s are who? MJ You confuse a formula for determining Representation with people. Nowhere in the citation YOU provided does it claim that, "Slaves were considered three-fifths of a human being." Regard$, --MJ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- You confuse a formula for determining Representation with people. Nowhere in the citation YOU provided does it claim that, "Slaves were considered three-fifths of a human being." It uses a euphamism, "those bound to Service," but so what? Bound is bound no matter what you call it. A HREF!ttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ÝÝÝCTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ÝÝÝÚrchives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF!ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF!ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A o subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- Nessie They did no such thing. Slaves were considered three-fifths of a human being. MJ Bullshit. Point to the specific article, section and clause. Nessie Article 1, Section two of the American Constitution: "The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States . . . "Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons." MJ You confuse a formula for determining Representation with people. Nowhere in the citation YOU provided does it claim that, "Slaves were considered three-fifths of a human being." c. so what does it refer to? it is a formula for measuring people and those people are measured at 3/5s of the value of a free person. and the group of people being measured at 3/5s are who? MJ Since you have such trouble with the English language in ALL of its simplicity ... For mathematical purposes ... The Country has 1300 persons who do not fit the criterion listed within the formula. There are 52 Representatives so allotted. State One has 200 persons State Two has 160 persons plus 67 persons that fit the description. State One receives 8 Representatives OR 1 per 25 persons State Two receives 8 Representatives OR 1 per 28 persons Where are people 'measured'? Where are 'slaves considered three-fifths of a human being'? Regard$, --MJ Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish. -- Euripides A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- Where are people 'measured'? Where are 'slaves considered three-fifths of a human being'? If you don't get it, maybe it's because you don't want to. A HREF!ttp://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ÝÝÝCTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ÝÝÝÚrchives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF!ttp://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF!ttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A o subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- MJ Where are people 'measured'? Where are 'slaves considered three-fifths of a human being'? Nessie If you don't get it, maybe it's because you don't want to. MJ Get what? The words quoted do NOT support this absurdity. The reference is simply a formula for determining Representatives -- nothing more. Regard$, --MJ Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. -- Hanlon's Razor (from Murphy's Laws) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
-Caveat Lector- K wrote: -Caveat Lector- On 27 Dec 2000, at 11:55, Nessie wrote: That was because the northern non-slaveholding states were afraid that counting them as a whole human being would give the southern states too much influence. This was a compromise position. It doesn't matter why they did it. They did it. Ergo, David Horowitz lied. He said the ideal was "imperfectly realized" - this implies recognition of the compromise and recognition that there was room for improvement. "Lie" is too strong an accusation to apply to an alternate interpretation of events. "Opinion different from Nessie's (or mine, anyone else's) opinion" doesn't equal "lie". If it did, we could all rightfully call at least half the people on this list liars just because they don't agree with us. -- The worst thing in this world, next to anarchy, is government. - Henry Ward Beecher Who was allowed to vote by that standard? Certain Males. Where were these particular people located in mass? The Northern states. Give us your tired, your poor, your voters. Now Why would Lincoln, who wanted to free the slaves have been killed? That guy was tilting the boat. To give the South that much power when they almost had them! Would he have allowed women to vote next? -- Any person can stand adversity, The true test is to give a person power. If you treat a relationship as if you are the only one in it, eventually you will be. Atrocities happen when the people about you - start considering you surplus. "I tolerate with the utmost latitude the right of others to differ from me in opinion" Thomas Jefferson My Grandfather told me there are two kinds of people: those who do the work and those who take the credit. He told me to be in the first group - there is less competition there. - Indira Gandhi http://freeweb.digiweb.com/science_fiction/ThePiedPiper/~index.htm ICQ 14484977 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ThePiedPiper.tripod.com/ http://ThePiedPiper.tripod.com/Sum2000.htm A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] License to Kill
You people are all so busy arguing ridiculous points, and feeling so smug as to how you can each of you poke each other in the eye, that you are very far afield of the intent of the article, which was simply to point out that there is black racism and a refusal on the part of the media to acknowledge it. Why don't you all stop fighting long enough to go back and re-read (or read fully for the first time) the original post, and LEARN something. You politically correct liberals can never see a simple truth until YOUR ox is gored.
