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Re: [CTRL] Some Question Authenticity of Papers on Bush

2004-09-10 Thread Daniel Mio

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--- Jim Rarey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Documents unearthed by CBS News that raise doubts
 about whether President Bush fulfilled his
 obligations to the Texas Air National Guard include
 several features suggesting that they were generated
 by a computer or word processor rather than a
 Vietnam War-era typewriter, experts said yesterday.

This will be incredibly easy to determine.  If nothing
comes of these doubts then I would suspect the
suspicions.  It would be too huge a blunder to hide
especially considering the manipulative power of the
Bush juggernaut.



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Re: [CTRL] Rivals Question Clark Commitment to Dems

2003-09-26 Thread Prudy L

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WASHINGTON - Presidential hopeful Wesley Clark unveiled a $100 billion economic and homeland security plan Wednesday while two primary rivals questioned his commitment to the Democratic Party.

I would also be surprised to find General Wesley Clark (ret) to be a totally committed Democrat. In my experience (more than you'd think) I found that not only were all men who made the upper strata of military rank to be super conservatives (politically) and therefore Republican in speech and vote, but I am reasonably sure that no one who was not a committed and conservative Republican could be admitted to the super senior ranks. This is because the generals have always been super committed Republicans, and they (retired and otherwise) must pass on whomever Congress promotes to be a general. I don't know if that is the law; but it certainly is the practice. Ask anyone who watched what happened to Bull Simon. It was really funny to watch the country holding its breath as to what party General Powell would commit. Believe me there was no possibility of his being a Democrat.

Wesley Clark either managed to fool the establishment for his entire military career or he's attempting to fool the public now. I would vote for him in a heartbeat. Here are the reasons.

l. I don't think he's a neo-con.

2. He was not sitting on his haunches in Congress fighting Bush and Reagan (but not very hard) which is how one has to view most of the candidates.

3. He has a chance of winning, if the stupid Dem managers don't try to run him as the Democrat for the war against the Republican for the war. A Democrat for Americans here at home might do it.

4. I'd vote for a Cocker Spaniel to get Nero and his fiddle out of the White House, before the entire country burns down or goes broke (whichever is sooner).

Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] A QUESTION FOR CHRISTIANS

2003-03-08 Thread iNFoWaRZ

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At 04:04 PM 3/8/03 , you wrote:
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Would Jesus bomb Iraq?

If Jesus were president, would He give the
order for this war to begin?

No.  Going from biblical precedence, He would order America to repent, and if she 
didn't, He would allow Iraq to invade America, burn her cities, and take survivors 
captive.
Now the answer you will get from mainstream false TV whore Christians is, Bomb the 
Hell out of 'em, attack! attack! kill! kill! kill!, go, George, go! Praise the Bush, 
I, uh, er, mean Lord, see you at the Ishtar Sunrise Service!  Now let's pass the plate 
and tax deductible receipts are available at the church office and God Bless America!

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Re: [CTRL] The Question: Who's not identical ...

2002-11-29 Thread Prudy L

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In a message dated 11/27/2002 10:33:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


So by the same figuring, any Israeli who arrived after 48, or after 67 is OK?

No, they're still killing and taking. When that stops then any new arrivals will be ok. Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] The Question: Who's not identical (and who has no claim to sta...

2002-11-27 Thread Prudy L

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In a message dated 11/26/2002 12:08:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

The issue is racism and Jew hatred. You should know that by now.

In any case consider this. Posession is 9/10ths of the law. It's not Bibles
and legends,
and idiotic claims by lying Arabs and racists like Hoffman and Shannon.
These are all
irrelevant in the end.

At last I can agree with you, although I find it strange that possession didn't count until the Israeli Jews started taking over the lands that belonged to Palestinians. You do have it true when you say that racism and hatred are the causes of all the troubles. You, of course, do not notice that the racism and hatred and a ton of deliberate provocation which the "Arabs" as you call them can't seem to resist responding to come from the Israeli side. Oh well, it's all been done before--right here in America. It worked beautifully. We didn't have to be so careful. The media was behind us every step of the way. Prudy
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Re: [CTRL] The Question: Who's not identical ...

2002-11-27 Thread Nurev Ind

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From: Euphorian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [CTRL] The Question: Who's not identical ...

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 11/26/02 10:58:51 AM, Nurev Ind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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  How can any Jew, Moslem or even Christian try to claim that Jews have a
  completely separate gene pool from  that of  Moslems.

 Your delineation's are fuzzy here Prudy. You mixing apples and oranges.
Jews/
 Arabs are ETHNIC delineation's. Moslems are people who are followers of
 Islam.  John Walker Lind is a Moslem. He and any Jew DO have a completely
separate
 gene pool.

 How do you know this?

Because the genetic studies were made across a wide spectrum of ethnicities.
They discovered that even though Jews lived in Europe for over 2000 years,
very
little intermarriage went on between them and their neighbors. Since John is
a
European ethnically, the statement is valid.

 Taleban John is a poor choice to begin with because he acquired
 the religion.  (Talk about mixing apples and artichokes!)

I guess selective reading is like selective hearing eh? That's exactly what
I said to correct
Prudy's misstatement.   How can any Jew, Moslem or even Christian try to
claim that Jews have a
  completely separate gene pool from  that of  Moslems.

 I took it to mean that the
 comparison was among those who ewere indigenous and therefore most likely
to be
 related.

That's right.

 But the point remains that unless every populations' pools are tested,
there's no
 way for anyone to determine and ascertain this.  Unless -- of course --
the information is
 channelled.

No such thing as channeled. And yes, they did do a very broad spectrum of
humanity.

 They migrated to the Turkish province which is now Israel, Jordan, Syria,
and
 Lebanon, at the same time that the European Jews began their migrations
from Europe.

 What?  Does everyone need to rub their eyes here?  Around the middle of
the 19th century,
 the trend toward reestablishing a Zionist homeland came into vogue.

It wasn't a  vogue  dude. It was a necessity. You see Jews have this
strange thing about
wanting to survive.

 The great thrust
 came with Tommy Herzl's

That's Theodore or Teddy.

 little book and his expanded hobby known as Zionism that was
 based, of course, on his impressions that so long as some people can't
seem to get along
 with the Europeans, they may as well go somewhere else.

Yeah that must be it.

 Disapora for ever.  I had as
 much trouble with that book as I did with *Mein Kampf* (which espoused the
same aims,
 ridding Europe of some religious groups), neither of which I finished (so
I can't decide
 which is the more vile).

Who cares?
Since you are not Jewish, your opinion about  our thing  is totally
irrelevant.

(Excuse me while I insert some data here.)

 http://www.cet.edu/earthinfo/meast/israel/IPtopic2.html
 The demographics of Palestine began to change dramatically in the
1920?s and 1930?s as
 there was increased immigration of European Jews into the mandate. This
immigration was
 the result of several factors, most notably being the rise of Zionist
ideology and the
 worsening political condition for Jews in such states as Germany.

This is correct.

 Zionism (or Jewish
 nationalism) is a combination of religious faith and pragmatic politics.

This is totally wrong. Zionism was primarily socialist, and there was also a
right wing faction.
But it had nothing to do with the religious motivation.

 The Jewish religion
 and culture are permeated with the symbols of the connection of the Jewish
people to the
 land of Israel. The Jews consider themselves a displaced people living in
exile after having
 been dispersed around the world. The concept of the right of return is
central to the Jewish
 tradition.

This is true.

 Politically, there was a fear that growing anti- Semitism in places
such as Russia/Soviet
 Union and Nazi Germany made it impossible for Jews to assimilate into the
political and
 economic structures of the Gentiles and therefore, there was a need to
create a Jewish
 homeland.

Actually it way predates the Nazis. Zionism grew exponentially with the
advent of the Nazis
in the thirties. But alas the allies of the Nazis, the Palestinian Arabs,
got their Saudi Arab budies
to pressure the Brits and Roosevelt to restrict Jewish immigration to
British Palestine
when they needed it most and when they wouldn't allow Jews to immigrate to
England or the
USA either.

This is why Israel will remain a Jewish State. So that millions of Jews
won't have to depend
on people like you again.

 This had profound effects on local demographics. In the 1880's Jews
accounted
 for about 6 percent of the population of Palestine, this number rising to
about 8 percent in
 1918, 18 percent in 1931 and 31 percent in 1939.

Both populations fluctuated but the Brits restricted Jewish immigration to
Palestine and did
not restrict Arab immigration

Re: [CTRL] The Question: Who's not identical ...

2002-11-27 Thread Prudy L

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In a message dated 11/27/2002 8:11:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Keep it in mind as you continue living on land which belonged to someone
else which was
stolen by people like you.



Well, Joshua, you never know about that. Some folks didn't get here until after the Mayflower bunch decided to kill off the savages and take over the territory. Prudy
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Re: [CTRL] The Question: Who's not identical ...

2002-11-27 Thread thew

Title: Re: [CTRL] The Question: Who's not identical ...
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on 11/27/02 10:11 AM, Prudy L at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Keep it in mind as you continue living on land which belonged to someone
else which was
stolen by people like you.

Well, Joshua, you never know about that. Some folks didn't get here until after the Mayflower bunch decided to kill off the savages and take over the territory.

So by the same figuring, any Israeli who arrived after 48, or after 67 is OK?
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Re: [CTRL] The Question: Who's not identical ...

2002-11-27 Thread Euphorian

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11/26/02 9:48:05 PM, Nurev Ind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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Because the genetic studies were made across a wide spectrum of ethnicities.
They discovered that even though Jews lived in Europe for over 2000 years,
very little intermarriage went on between them and their neighbors. Since John is
a European ethnically, the statement is valid.

Except when you contradict yourself ... very little intermarriage allows for the 
possibility of
someone wayy back being related (and we won't even make the marriage records
exclusive).  You said any person which is like every or all or an exclusive set. 
 All I'm
askingfor is definitive proof.

No such thing as channeled. And yes, they did do a very broad spectrum of
humanity.

This is the old O'Reilly Fallacy:  statistics are facts.

It wasn't a  vogue  dude. It was a necessity. You see Jews have this
strange thing about wanting to survive.

And, gee, no one esle has this strange (your word) thing.  I always thought it was 
pretty
common to want to survive.  Most people stick to their ground when they want something
bad enough ... without getting into dead end situations.  It was indeed a vogue in 
that it
was only some of the people affected who espoused this solution.  Yeah, it was
Theodor, no e.

Who cares?  Since you are not Jewish, your opinion about  our thing  is totally
irrelevant.

Ah.  More channelling.  And not a little chauvinism.  La Cosa Nostra?

This is totally wrong. Zionism was primarily socialist, and there was also a
right wing faction.
But it had nothing to do with the religious motivation.

There are about five (5) different version of Zionism, and not all of them agree as to 
intent,
purpose, or methods.  Religion is the pretext, the grease that makes the wheels go, the
mixer to soften the taste.

This is why Israel will remain a Jewish State. So that millions of Jews
won't have to depend on people like you again.

More chauvinism.  People of all races, religions, colours, creeds, national origins, 
genders
and the like have depended on me for quite a long time.  I tend to not differentiate 
between
any of them and attend to their needs according to what their requirements are.  After 
all, I
am an American.  That's *why* may ancestors came here years and hundreds of years
ago: to rid themsleves of that failed European parochial attitude that suggests that 
one is
better or different or more valuable than the rest.  No one gets their value but every 
gets
what they're worth.

Both populations fluctuated but the Brits restricted Jewish immigration to
Palestine and did

Gosh!  A little sunshine peaking over the horizon.  If you've been following the 
bouncing
ball, you'd have recognised the words The Middle East is A Britlandic problem, NOT an
American one.  The problem has become that too many people around the world are too
dependent on the largesse of the U.S. rather than settling their problems in a 
digified if not
civilised manner.  There are entirely too many people in the U.S. who would benefit 
from
the $$$Billions that are paid in taxes but go off to shore up other peoples corrupt 
regimes,
precipitating events like 11th September, 2001 or Beirut or Mogadishu or the Cole or 
... or
... or ... to suggest that there are those who are trying to carve out a niche in the 
desert so
they won't have to rely on people like me again is utterly ludicrous.  They are on the 
eternal
American taxpayers' dole.  This should be the English dole, not ours.

I'm sure you think this is witty, but I have no idea what you mean.

You too.

Man, are you dyzlkksik? Read the damn sentence again...
It's not the STORY in the book that gives Jews the claim. It's the
HISTORY that gives Jews the claim.

No wit here; the STORY is the HISTORY.  The myth, the legend, the tales all are the 
same
THING!  No aixelsyd here.

It's the reality of having built a culture and civilization IN THAT PLACE which makes 
the
idea of return real enough for people to walk from Russia to the Middle East to re-
establish that tie.

And I suppose it has nothing to do with Bolshevism (socialistic totalitarianism), 
Sharon's
stated intent to import as many people to bolster his popualtion base, the elimination 
of the
stop-overs in Eastern Europe because too many emigres were deciding to go elsewhere,
and the fact that many people are actually leaving because their ties are too tight?

Are you ready to give back the American Southwest to Mexico?

Starting with Texas.

How about the illegal annexation of Hawaii? They want their land back.

Yep.  They have Union Jack on their flag.

 I don't want to hear all this hypocritical bullshit about a situation 7,000 miles 
away which
is really none of your damn business anyway.

When my friends and family are caused to pay taxes and to go over to th Big Sand Box 
and
fight little wars to prevent to overrunning of a piece of land, it is MY business.  
When I was
in line to get on the

Re: [CTRL] The Question: Who's not identical (and who has no claim to stake...

2002-11-26 Thread Prudy L

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Jews and Palestinians in the Middle East share a very similar gene pool and must be
considered closely related and not genetically separate, the authors state. Rivalry between
the two races is therefore based 'in cultural and religious, but not in genetic differences',
they conclude.

How can any Jew, Moslem or even Christian try to claim that Jews have a completely separate gene pool from that of Moslems. According to the Bible that I read and the Koran (I'm not sure just which Jewish holy book tells the story), Abraham is the ancestor of both Jews and Moslems. If Jews and Palestinians have no genetic connection, then the entire rationale of the Old Testament is false, and all Israeli claim to the holy land is false as well, because the very story that gives them claim would be compromised. I realize that most folks do not consider the Bible to represent scientific fact, but since the Bible and science appear to agree with regard to this matter, what's the issue here? Prudy
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Re: [CTRL] The Question: Who's not identical (and who has no claim to stake...

2002-11-26 Thread William Shannon

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In a message dated 11/26/2002 8:18:45 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

How can any Jew, Moslem or even Christian try to claim that Jews have a completely separate gene pool from that of Moslems. According to the Bible that I read and the Koran (I'm not sure just which Jewish holy book tells the story), Abraham is the ancestor of both Jews and Moslems.

Most Israeli Jews are Ashkenazi (Khazar) and have nothing in common with the Arabs. The Sephardics do and are treated like 2nd class citizens.

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Re: [CTRL] The Question: Who's not identical (and who has no claim to stake...

2002-11-26 Thread thew

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on 11/26/02 9:25 AM, William Shannon at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Most Israeli Jews are Ashkenazi (Khazar) and have nothing in common with the Arabs. The Sephardics do and are treated like 2nd class citizens.

This just is not as true as it used to be. Especially with the huge amount of intermarrying between Sephardic and Ashkenazi families in Israel ( that and the fact that many Ashkenazi Jews are descendents of Sephardim who fled Spain in 1492) the distinction in Israel is just not as clear or strong as it used to be. I have Sephardim cousins who hold top jobs in banks, the military, and computer businesses there. No one treats their children badly because no one sees it as a mixed marriage of any sort. More powerful (as everywhere in the world) are differences due to economic status, rather than origin. The rich rule over the poor. It was always thus, everywhere, and it is more so now.

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Re: [CTRL] The Question: Who's not identical (and who has no claim to stake...

2002-11-26 Thread Nurev Ind

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From: William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] The Question: Who's not identical (and who has no claim
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 In a message dated 11/26/2002 8:18:45 AM Central Standard Time,
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  How can any Jew, Moslem or even Christian try to claim that Jews have a
  completely separate gene pool from  that of  Moslems.  According to the
  Bible that I read and the Koran (I'm not sure just which Jewish holy
book
  tells the story), Abraham is the ancestor of both Jews and Moslems.

 Most Israeli Jews are Ashkenazi (Khazar) and have nothing in common with
the
 Arabs. The Sephardics do and are treated like 2nd class citizens.

 Bill.

Most Israelis are Ashkenazis which has nothing to do with Khazars as Shanon
the
lying racist prick well knows.

There are several well known studies which demonstrate quite ironically that
ALL
Jews from different parts of the world, including the Black Jews of
Zimbabwe, are
strongly related to the Arabs who have lived in and around what is now
Israel.

The Israeli/Arab conflict is not about race. It's about religion and land.

Joshua2

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Re: [CTRL] The Question: Who's not identical (and who has no claim to stake...

2002-11-26 Thread Nurev Ind

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From: Prudy L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 In a message dated 11/25/2002 1:43:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Jews and Palestinians in the Middle East share a very similar gene pool
and
  must be
  considered closely related and not genetically separate, the authors
state.
  Rivalry between
  the two races is therefore based 'in cultural and religious, but not in
  genetic differences',
  they conclude.

 How can any Jew, Moslem or even Christian try to claim that Jews have a
 completely separate gene pool from  that of  Moslems.

Your delineations are fuzzy here Prudy. You mixing apples and oranges. Jews/
Arabs are ETHNIC delineations. Moslems are people who are followers of
Islam.
John Walker Lind is a Moslem. He and any Jew DO have a completely separate
gene pool.

 According to the Bible
 that I read and the Koran (I'm not sure just which Jewish holy book tells
the
 story), Abraham is the ancestor of both Jews and Moslems.

This is what is known in scientific terminology as  bubba meises.
Mythology.
It might be based on truth, but likely is not since the Bible was written
about fifteen
hundred years after Abraham, and the Koran, much later than that. The Koran
is
OVERTLY unhistorical. More so than the Christian Bible which was at least
based on
real historical characters.

 If Jews and
 Palestinians have no genetic connection, then the entire rationale of the
Old
 Testament is false,

You're a littele confused ol' girl. The above statement is a non-sequiter.
The relationship
between Jews and Palestinians has no bearing on the veracity of the Bible.
The Bible
could be entirely made up drivel and that would not prove anything as far as
genetic
makeup is concerned. The Jews and Arabs (NOT Palestinians) have lived in
close proximity
for so long that it would be remarkable if all through history they did not
conquer each
other at various times and intermarry. THIS is what's certain. Not the
various legends.
The  Palestinians  are a recently made up phenomenon. They are not a real
ethnic group.
They are Arabs. That's all. They are no more distinctive than the Arabs from
Syria. They
migrated to the Turkish provence which is now Israel, Jordan, Syria, and
Lebanon, at the
same time that the European Jews began their migrations from Europe.

The  Palesdtinians  are as new immigrants as are the Ashkenazis. That's
not to say that
there weren't people living there already. There were. They were Arab
landless peasants
mostly working for absentee Turkish and Arab landlords. There were many
small indiginous
groups in villages. Most, but not all were Arabs. AND, there was a
continuous Jewish
population who lived there in an unbroken line for 3000 years. This
population's size
varied.

The new bullshit being pushed by the Palestinians is that they are
decendants of the
Cananites. Thereby creating an historical line that goes further back than
the Jews.
The only problem with that is that the Cananites were NOT ARABS. The
Cananites
were Phoenecians who were Europeans. There is no genetic connection between
Cananites,
Jews, and especially Arabs who didn't really live in that part of the world.
They lived
mostly in the Arabian interior. Then they pushed out with the military
expansion of Islam.
[ ALL THE PLACES THE ARABS CLAIM OUTSIDE OF THE MECA/MEDINA REGION WERE
STOLEN FROM INDIGINOUS POPULATIONS BY FORCE AND THREAT OF DEATH. THAT
INCLUDES ISRAEL AND IT'S SURROUNDING AREAS. ]

There is an excellent site about Phoenecians on the web. Check it out and
get a clue.

 and all Israeli claim to the holy land is false as well,
 because the very story that gives them claim would be compromised.

When will you people ever get it right? It's not the STORY in the book that
gives
Jews the claim. It's the HISTORY that gives Jews the claim. The connection
does
NOT depend on the legends in the Bible.

 I
 realize that most folks do not consider the Bible to represent scientific
 fact, but since the Bible and science appear to agree with regard to this
 matter, what's the issue here?  Prudy

The issue is racism and Jew hatred. You should know that by now.

In any case consider this. Posession is 9/10ths of the law. It's not Bibles
and legends,
and idiotic claims by lying Arabs and racists like Hoffman and Shannon.
These are all
irrelevant in the end.

It's about possession AND THE STRENGTH TO KEEP YOUR POSSESSION. The lawyers
and
theologians can beat their gums about the rest.

That's all folks,
Joshua2

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Re: [CTRL] The Question: Who's not identical (and who has no claim to stake...

2002-11-26 Thread Euphorian

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11/26/02 10:08:28 AM, Nurev Ind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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There are several well known studies which demonstrate quite ironically that
ALL Jews from different parts of the world, including the Black Jews of
Zimbabwe, are strongly related to the Arabs who have lived in and around what is now
Israel.

And the references are?  The studies can be found where?

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Re: [CTRL] The Question: Who's not identical ...

2002-11-26 Thread Euphorian

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11/26/02 10:58:51 AM, Nurev Ind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 How can any Jew, Moslem or even Christian try to claim that Jews have a
 completely separate gene pool from  that of  Moslems.

Your delineations are fuzzy here Prudy. You mixing apples and oranges. Jews/
Arabs are ETHNIC delineations. Moslems are people who are followers of
Islam.  John Walker Lind is a Moslem. He and any Jew DO have a completely separate
gene pool.

How do you know this?  Taleban John is a poor choice to begin with because he acquired
the religion.  (Talk about mixing apples and artichokes!)  I took it to mean that the
comparison was among those who ewere indigenous and therefore most likely to be
related.  But the point remains that unless every populations' pools are tested, 
there's no
way for anyone to determine and ascertain this.  Unless -- of course -- the 
information is
channelled.

They migrated to the Turkish provence which is now Israel, Jordan, Syria, and
Lebanon, at the same time that the European Jews began their migrations from Europe.

What?  Does everyone need to rub their eyes here?  Around the middle of the 19th 
century,
the trend toward reestablishing a Zionist homeland came into vogue.  The great thrust
came with Tommy Herzl's little book and his expanded hobby known as Zionism that was
based, of course, on his impressions that so long as some people can't seem to get 
along
with the Europeans, they may as well go somewhere else.  Disapora for ever.  I had as
much trouble with that book as I did with *Mein Kampf* (which espoused the same aims,
ridding Europe of some religious groups), neither of which I finished (so I can't 
decide
which is the more vile).  (Excuse me while I insert some data here.)

http://www.cet.edu/earthinfo/meast/israel/IPtopic2.html
The demographics of Palestine began to change dramatically in the 1920?s and 1930?s 
as
there was increased immigration of European Jews into the mandate. This immigration was
the result of several factors, most notably being the rise of Zionist ideology and the
worsening political condition for Jews in such states as Germany. Zionism (or Jewish
nationalism) is a combination of religious faith and pragmatic politics. The Jewish 
religion
and culture are permeated with the symbols of the connection of the Jewish people to 
the
land of Israel. The Jews consider themselves a displaced people living in exile after 
having
been dispersed around the world. The concept of the right of return is central to the 
Jewish
tradition.

Politically, there was a fear that growing anti- Semitism in places such as 
Russia/Soviet
Union and Nazi Germany made it impossible for Jews to assimilate into the political and
economic structures of the Gentiles and therefore, there was a need to create a Jewish
homeland. This had profound effects on local demographics. In the 1880's Jews accounted
for about 6 percent of the population of Palestine, this number rising to about 8 
percent in
1918, 18 percent in 1931 and 31 percent in 1939.

There is no genetic connection between Cananites, Jews, and especially Arabs who 
didn't
really live in that part of the world. They lived mostly in the Arabian interior. 
Then they
pushed out with the military expansion of Islam.

The bestest Talmud came from Babylon, no?  Anyway, they all are supposed to be
descendants of Shem, ergo Semites.  But, again, how can your claim about genetic
connections be made?  More channelling?

And about your Phoenicians,

http://phoenicia.org/history.html
 The Phoenicians, whose lands corresponds to present-day Lebanon and coastal parts 
of
Israel and Syria, probably arrived in the region in about 3000 B.C. They established
commercial and religious connections were established with Egypt after about 2613 BC 
and
continued until the end of the Egyptian Old Kingdom and the invasion of Phoenicia by 
the
Amorites (c. 2200 BC). 

It's not the STORY in the book that gives Jews the claim. It's the HISTORY that gives 
Jews
the claim.

Long is the story and short is the history of the story.  The point remains that 
Israeliens are
supposed to be there BECAUSE of their religion (hence, the Jewish State) and to claim
that the book doesn't play a big part in the history is ... is ... unbelievable.  I 
mean, like, the
Book of Joshua starts almost immediately with with visions of conquest of the lands 
from
the Mediterranean to the Euphrates and this vision has been repeated in modern times 
(like
right now ... in progress).

We got it right despite some people's being long on insults and short on facts and
references.

It's about possession AND THE STRENGTH TO KEEP YOUR POSSESSION.

I'll keep this in mind next time my car gets stolen.  Or my tax money gets 
redistributed.

AER

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Re: [CTRL] [LIST QUESTION REGSARDING SUBJECT HEADERS]

2002-07-06 Thread Tenorlove


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Well, it IS a movement, just like the women's movement, or the civil
rights movement. It is possible that Bard uses homo for homosexual
so that the entire heading fits on one line.

The (homeschooling) teacher in me recommends that Bard spell out the
word, just so it doesn't look like name-calling.

BTW, I thought the word negro was no longer PC? ;-D OK, it DOES fit
in the subject header line better than African-American (is that the
correct term?).

Unless Kris has added some rules, soapboxing without substance and
Holocaust denial are the only 2 capital offenses on the list.

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 so... homos.. hmm...

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Re: [CTRL] Constitutional question #1

2001-05-26 Thread Theodor Parada, MD


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The easiest way to stop all this crap, is for the states to not
forward any tax dollars to the fed, simple the teat dries up.


On 26 May 2001, at 7:17, William Bacon wrote:

 I also say mandates, orders and any other name you want
 to give to the coericve nature of EPA regulations violates the 13th
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