CS: Target-Reloading Kit Questions
From: andrew, [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've not dealt with reloading solutions myself but i know people who have and they are very happy with them. Not only do they appear to actually have the stock they advertise available but delivery is very prompt. For portable kit using standard dies you cannot beat the Lee hand press. I know several shooters who use them and none have any complaints. For the bottle neck cartridges buy the collet die set: easy to use, no bother with lube and they load superb ammo. The Lee "perfect" powder measure is also worth looking at to save the hassle of trying to use a scale on range. They are cheap, accurate, robust and have a well graduated charge bar. The Lee turret press is a superb piece of kit, particularly for the price. I have a Lee turret and a Forster Co-Ax press and cannot detect any difference in the quality of ammo loaded on them. I also use a Lee 1000 progressive and it loads ammo far more accurate than I am. I have no problem getting consistent 2 moa from my M94 with ammo loaded on the progressive. So far I have not found a single item of Lee kit that has not performed as well, or in most cases better, than the more expensive competition. And it's all covered by a simple, no quibble, if you are not satisfied in any way, money back guarantee. Cannot tell you if that is worth anything or not as I don't know anyone who has been dissatisfied enough to make a claim against it. I am going down to visit the new Kynock (Kynamco?) at Mildenhall on saturday and will be taking 80 rounds of .375 HH to play with. This will be loaded with a Lee collet resizing die and Forster bench rest seater on my forster Co-Ax press with bullets cast from an NEI mould lubed and sized in an RCBS lubresizer. Powder is thrown from an RCBS measure. Depending on load and how the nut behind the trigger is feeling, I get accuracy of between .6 and 1.8 moa. You can never have too much kit! Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Pol-The march in March
From: "Andrew Chastney", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why have you never ridden? Because a serious accident I was involved in years ago has left me incapable of sitting with my back unsupported for anything more than a few minutes without debilitating pain. Whether it's a saddle, a stool or a bale of straw makes no difference. As a result the majoritty of the 'hunting' I do is for hares, either following beagles or basset hounds, or else coursing. Why do the scruffy ordinary Joes always following on foot or in their cars. Why are the scruffy ordinary Joes never riding to the hounds? Obviously I can only speak for those that I am acquainted with. Some of their reasons are as follows - # Don't like horses # Too old still to be riding # Like riding but don't like jumping # Horse injured, in foal or otherwise temporarily out of action # Horse been stolen and can't afford to replace it # Inexperienced rider and don't feel sufficiently confident # Tried it but prefer to be on foot because you can see more of the actual hunt that way And my milkman falls into both camps. He doesn't like being mounted when there's a big field out, so he's on horseback - looking very smart - at the midweek meetings which tend to be quieter, but on a Saturday when there are a lot more people out, he's in his car wearing his scruffy old jeans. And of course there are dozens of packs of hounds where _none_ of the followers are mounted, even if they would like to be. All the beagles, basset hounds and minkhounds for starters, plus all the foxhunting footpacks from Wales and the fells. I put it to you the scruffy ordinary Joes would soon go find something else to follow, hence fulfilling their 'follower' needs. So banning hunting would only effect the 'toffs' that the original poster remarked on. The implication that banning hunting won't affect footfollowers is completely untrue. I know scores of 'ordinary' people who hunt on foot who would be every bit as devastated if their sport is banned as all pistol shooters were post Dunblane. I may be wrong but it seems to me that you are saying it's OK to legislate against 'toffs'. How do you define a 'toff' anyway? Someone who speaks with a pound of plums in their mouth? They can't help the way they speak any more than can a Geordie or a Brummie. Or is a 'toff' someone with a certain amount of money? Like Sir Paul McCartney perhaps, or maybe Carol Vorderman? Certainly not in my book. Or is a toff someone who is arrogant? I'm sure we can all think of plenty of 'celebrities' and MPs who fall into that category. Whatever a 'toff' means to you, you can't legislate against them any more than you can against blacks, gays or Jews. Andrew Chastney Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Pol-The march in March
From: "Andrew Chastney", [EMAIL PROTECTED] any of the other legal methods of control.) It's because some people are revolted by the fact that other people go hunting for enjoyment, and also because it's still perceived to be the sole preserve of the idle rich and it's a good way of indulging in a bit of toff bashing. Sounds like a good enough reason to me. What is wrong with this? Neil Francis Trowbridge, UK -- a) Just because you find something distasteful is not a good enough reason to prevent other people who happen to enjoy that activity from engaging in it. b) The perception that hunting is the sole preserve of the wealthy is way off the mark. Go to any meet and for every toff on horseback you'll see half a dozen scruffy ordinary Joes who are following on foot or in their car. I'm a case in point - I've been hunting for nearly twenty years yet never once have I ridden to hounds nor have I ever had much more than two brass farthings to my name. Andrew Chastney Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Pol-The march in March
From: "Andrew Chastney", [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's what I think, anyway. I could be wrong (it does happen occasionally), but I have to do what I think is right, even if everyone else seems to disagree(including people who I respect). If anyone would like to post any counter-arguments I'll read them, though I can't guarantee a reply, for the reasons already stated - though I can guarantee to consider any sensible argument. But unless you can persuade me I'm wrong, the position at the moment is that I'll be spending 18th March in Manchester, same as usual. Stuart Heal Quiet loner with an arsenal of weapons. http://olympia.fortunecity.com/naseem/170/ -- You state that "the chase itself has to be extremely stressful". You also say that you've never ridden to hounds and don't think you'd learn anything by doing so. If you've never experienced it for yourself, on what basis are you drawing your conclusion that the chase has to be stressful? I can only assume that in your opinion you _think_ it must be stressful. If you had been hunting you would have seen for yourself that both foxes and hares will act completely nonchalantly even when the hounds are as close as a minute behind. Among other things they will stop to groom themselves, they will stop to drink, hares are frequently seen to stop and begin feeding, and have even been seen mating while hounds are hunting their line. None of these things suggest an animal under extreme duress. Let's not forget that for a wild animal to run away from danger is the most natural thing in the world. It seems extremely unlikely that a hare or a fox makes much distinction between different types of danger. Consider two fox control scenarios - a) A group of farmers beating with dogs to flush foxes from cover to waiting guns b) A huntsman using foxhounds to flush foxes from cover to be hunted Does the fox in a) feel any less stress than the one in b) at the moment at which it decides to make a run for it? I doubt it very much. Or what about the fox that you meet wandering along a hedgerow when you're out for a walk with your dog? I maintain that in each of those situations the fox just thinks 'Hell, time to get out of here'. As soon as it has got what it perceives to be a safe distance from its persuer it will stop running. That is precisely what happens during the course of a hunt. The hunted hare or fox runs till it thinks it's safe, then pulls up and just gets on with its normal business.The hounds have either lost it or they're still on its line. If the latter, as soon as they get too close for comfort off goes the quarry again till once more it feels safe and pulls up. (I say this with certainty as I have been hunting many times and seen it with my own eyes.) This stop/start affair keeps up for most of the hunt. I would argue that at no point during this process is the quarry under any stress at all. It is simply doing what every single wild bird or animal does every day in order to survive - running from danger. It is only in the very last stages of a hunt when the hounds close in that there is any possibility of stress. But I would argue that even at that point it is still completely natural. Watch just about any natural history programme and you will see countless examples of insects, birds or animals chasing and killing other insects, birds, or animals. You might find it disagreeable but the unescapeable reality is that nature is indeed 'red in tooth and claw'. The _real_ reason that hunting is under threat has nothing to do with animal welfare. (The Govt's own enquiry, the Burns Report, has found nothing to suggest that hunting is any more cruel than any of the other legal methods of control.) It's because some people are revolted by the fact that other people go hunting for enjoyment, and also because it's still perceived to be the sole preserve of the idle rich and it's a good way of indulging in a bit of toff bashing. Andrew Chastney Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Misc-50 cal.
From: andrew, [EMAIL PROTECTED] For those who think a couple of grand is a bit costly for a rifle check this out. A kit for building a .50 bmg rifle for just 28 usd! http://www.serveroptions.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/000152.html Got this from the humour forum of the accurate reloading site. www.accuratereloading.com -- Actually going to the site it is from is worth a laugh: http://www.birdman.org Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Field-Cats the worst killers
From: "Andrew Chastney", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interestingly if you run over a dog in your car, lorry or other vehicle (and kill the dog) you legally MUST report it to the police. If it is a cat? Nothing. Running over and killing a cat does not require reporting the fact to the police. Is this still the case? I know the reason for reporting the death of a dog but not a cat was because dogs were (supposed to be) licensed, which cats never have been. But now that the dog licence has been abolished presumably the rationale for reporting a run-over dog no longer exists? But I'm only guessing. Does anybody know for certain? Andrew Chastney Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Misc-carnivore
From: andrew, [EMAIL PROTECTED] To find out what the FBI "carnivor" internet sniffer is and does read this and related links. http://www.securityfocus.com/templates/article.html?id=127 Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Pol-Hunting Ban
From: "Andrew Chastney", [EMAIL PROTECTED] Of course one thing that few people ever mention about controlling foxes is cage trapping. It is humane and very efficient. Efficient maybe, but humane? I'm not sure I can agree with that. It's the most natural thing in the world for any wild animal to run away from danger. They do it all the time. But there's nothing natural about being trapped in a cage. I would imagine the stress of being suddenly caged and unable to escape must be quite considerable. A fox thus caught would have to endure this level of stress for several hours. If caught early on a winter's night with the trap not checked until daybreak it could conceivably be as long as 15 hours. Compare this with a hunted fox. It is in it's own natural environment, doing what comes perfectly naturally, simply running away from danger. I would argue that the actual level of stress suffered by the hunted fox is dramatically less than that suffered by the one caught in a cage trap. Andrew Chastney Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Misc-proofing
From: andrew, [EMAIL PROTECTED] RORG had nothing to do with small arms manufacture as far as I am aware. When Enfield was closed manufacture of small arms was transferred to RO Nottingham, including the manufacture of HK products under license. As a result of Royal Ordnance being taken over by British Aerospace all the firearms had to be carry a proof mark; previously they were being made on behalf of the crown for use by crown servants so didn't need to do this. A proof house was set up at Nottingham under some sort of franchise agreement with the London proof house. This proof house also catered for the trade so you will also encounter civilian firearms carrying the nottingham proof too. The proof house was equiped and staffed by the london proof house and not actually part of Royal Ordnance. It should be realized that as far as the products of RO Nottingham were concerned there were two types of proofing: First the rifles underwent formal quality control proofing in the factory's proof range, i.e. function tests and over load tests, following which the rifle was disassembled and inspected for damage. Then they went to the proof house. All firearms and barrels that left the factory were proofed. In addition samples were taken for more strenuous testing as part of the manufacturing quality control process. -- Oops, yes, sorry I meant RO Nottingham, not RORG. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Misc-John Wayne Winchester Custom Model
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Try Kings Gunworks in Los Angeles. They did the large loop lever for Steve McQueen in the "Rifleman" TV series. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Pol-March In March Worries
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, but as I.G. repeatedly pointed out you can lose your fac for being judged to be of bad character. So if someone in the firearms dept. believes that it is wrong to disagree with the government or to protest in anyway about anything you will be marked down as being unsuitable. -- Well, it would make for an interesting Section 44 appeal! Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Target-308 Round destroys MI
From: andrew, [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't understand: are you saying that if the rifle in the article had a proof mark that it wouldn't have been destroyed? Do you have supporting evidence for this? The writer clearly places the blame on the ammunition anyway. Historically the purpose of the gun barrel proof acts were mainly a protectionism measure whose purpose was to restrict cheap imports that threatened the cosy cartel of english gun makers. For myself I first came to doubt the value of gun barrel proofing when I was an engineering apprentice and compared the methods used in proof testing load bearing components and how those tests were themselves validated against those of the gun barrel proof house. For a start the proof houses were not even using S.I. units! And it was only about a decade ago that they switched from recording pressure in (long) tons per square inch to Bars (1 bar = (approximately) 1 atmosphere). I also noticed that there was considerable variation in values recorded on the proof marks. I had two .22 pistols that I bought new in the early 1980's whose proof pressures were two tons apart! I subsequently made a point of looking at the proof marks of any firearm I came across and found that there was such a wide variation in recorded proof pressures for the same cartridge that I couldn't see that they were of any value at all or how they were derived. In addition I have examined a brand new ruger security six (.357 mag) that had a proof mark despite having a fairly conspicuous hole in the cylinder wall and a new Dan Wesson revolver that got through proof, despite the fact that that timing was so far out it was difficult to see how they got it to fire; let alone do it safely. However I have seen a batch of revolvers from a long established maker that that had failed proof due to the design of the muzzle crown! The proof house did however destroy the first Dan Wesson .357 Maximum that came into the country by a proof load that they calculated to produce over 100,000 lb. per square inch! I have also seen the remains of a .500 nitro double rifle (by Rudder) that had been rebarreled and the proof house debarreled! The barrels were not burst but forced off the breech face so far that the action was torn apart (I have the photo's). Reportedly the case had stretched by over half an inch under the pressure! On enquiring how the proof rounds were made up the gun maker was told that bullets were pulled from factory ammunition and a quantity of propellant was taken from some rounds and added to others to make the proof rounds. Apparently no attempt was made to actually pressure test these rounds before use. Not exactly ISO 9000! Naturally the proof house was not liable and the gun maker had to buy the customer another rifle as well as carry the cost of the rebarreling job; in all not much change from L15,000! -- I wasn't paying attention to the original post but on the other hand the Proof Houses have stopped a batch of very dodgy Baikal shotguns; stopped a shipment of dodgy Auto-Ordnance .45s, and also a fair variety of dodgy zinc alloy guns. However I am totally in agreement that the methods are not exactly scientifically sound in this day and age. As I understand it RORG had permission from the London Proof House to use their proofmark on the SA80 (the Pattern Room has an RORG proved HK G36, BTW). This is essentially a London proofmark with the letters NP stamped above it, which don't stand for nitro proof, they stand for Nottingham Proof. These barrels were not individually tested with proof loads, they tested a sample of barrels and then stamped them all with proofmarks. I'm pretty sure Beretta, HK and SIG-Sauer all do the same thing, which goes to show you what mass producers think of CIP. I'm all for the proving process, but the only people I can find who argue for the current way of doing it are people interested in protection of the UK gun market, which is totally daft. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Learn More. Surf Less. Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Topics You Choose. http://www.topica.com/partner/tag01
CS: Misc-Police Corruption
From: andrew, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well IG, it looks like your key board took a hammering over the weekend. I presume that you are one of the inteligentsia who think that anyone, under any circumstances, should be allowed to possess a firearm for any reason whatsoever. In other words, you appear to be in favour of total freedom from controls. Fine. I ,unfortunately, along with many other millions of people, do not share your views! Why do I need to be a member of any particular group if I have the view that people should be able to get on with their law abiding lives free from harassment from pointless legislation and the ignorant opinions of jobsworths? I have difficulty reconciling the fact that whereas I put up with all the BS connected with owning firearms legally the local drug dealers get no hassle at all over their firearms or how they use them! Not only didn't they lose their pistols in 1998, the law specially only prohibited legally owned small firearms, but the only time they do not carry their pistols is when they have a court appearance! The above also applies to members of northern Ireland terrorist organizations. Can you imagine the response to a request from an RUC firearms licensing officer to inspect the security of the various terrorist arms dumps. I did not call you a nazi did I! My point was that you are making personal judgements on people based on your own beliefs and experience at the time. Not so long ago and in a place not so far away your judgement as to what constitutes a good character would be very different to that that you have now. It is because of the unreliability of the judgements of individuals, no matter how well meaning, that we have a judicial process involving magistrates, judges and juries and the prosecution process is kept separate from the enforcement process. It is also why criminals have rights! If you were dealing with a criminal and you expressed your personal views about that persons character then the any prosecution could be seen as being seriously flawed. I also have trouble with the concept of "I trust you with this but not that" as steve experienced with variations for collecting. In my case I had a sec.1 shotgun that I was prohibited from using for clay pigeon shooting! I fully understood the law and the home office guidance but not only was I disturbed by the insane logic expressed by various officials but I was also deeply disturbed by the fact that they did not see anything wrong or bizarre about the situation. I also cannot see how you can apply this selective trust to just legally held firearms; do you remove the driving licences and cars from any of the victims of your personal crusade? How about if they have children; do you have them put into care? On the wall of my living room is a print of a classic western painting called "End of the Trail", the subject is a dying indian warrior on a dying pony. A visiting firearms enquiry officer was very disturbed that I had this picture as he didn't agree with the end-of-the-trail shooting disciplines that were appearing and he told me that he would seek to have the certificate of anybody taking part in these competitions revoked! Of course this was just his personal prejudice, sorry opinion. You ask if we know of any way to judge character, are you asking members of this list to get into denouncing shooters in the same way as the police in other authoritarian regimes use public denunciations of individuals and groups oppress those they don't agree with? I wouldn't dare to pass judgement on another persons character. If I did, give me a reason why I shouldn't start with you? Or do you only see yourself as the stone thrower? And I would be interested to if my views and the fact that I take the trouble to express them make me a fit person in your eyes. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
Misc-Police Corruption
From: andrew, [EMAIL PROTECTED] The people I consider shouldn't be allowed to possess firearms are those that pose a danger to society. I think IG has too is being a bit misleading when he says he is preventing the "wrong" sort of people from owning firearms. You are doing no such thing! Only preventing certain people, who you don't like, from LEGALLY owning firearms. All you are really achieving, if anything, is to force people who want to own a firearm (for whatever reason) to do so without putting up with the expense and hassle of jumping through your hoops. And it all comes down to your personal prejudices doesn't it? A while ago firearms inquiries officer, I think it was you, told of refusing a firearm certificate to someone who had a picture of Adolph hitler on display; well sixty years ago and only a few hundred miles from you are now, having a portrait of hitler would be seen by a policeman as being a sign of being a good citizen. So it is just personal prejudice - which you wouldn't be allowed to express in any other field of police work. I wonder what you would have done if the picture was of any of the 20th. century's other mass murderers, like lenin or mao, and the applicant was a well connected left wing councillor who was not afraid to expose your bigotry in the courts. As for your assertion that wanting to fire automatic firearms makes one an unfit person - well that rules out all members of her majesties armed forces doesn't it! Worse still I hear they go around all the while dressed in camo outfits! In the end you have to realize that what gun control is really all about is TRUST. You cannot say to someone that you don't trust them with something, whether it is a firearm, a book, a computer, whatever and expect trust in return. That is not the way it works. In the end as I said earlier you only preventing someone from owning firearms legally. You would not be allowed to express you opinions about someone who owned a firearm illegally as they would be a criminal and would therefore have rights! Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A http://www.topica.com/t/17 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Field-how to deal with roadkill
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CS: Field-how to deal with roadkill
From: andrew, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Look at the menu at: http://www.roadkill-cafe.net/ Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Field-how to deal with roadkill
From: andrew, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or try: http://www2.cdepot.net/~roads/roadkill.html Chef's motto: Anything dead - on bread. Mission Statement: You kill it - we'll grill it. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Field-how to deal with roadkill
From: andrew, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or try: http://www2.cdepot.net/~roads/roadkill.html Chef's motto: Anything dead - on bread. Mission Statement: You kill it - we'll grill it. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-shooter's wives
From: andrew gant, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anthony This is just an idea put forward by 1 of our visitors that got a good response. This is an idea for 1 section, there are lots more good sections on the website. The Shooting Product Reviews section is slowly building up and could be very good. Why don't you check it out. Andy Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-shooter's wives
From: andrew gant, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Steven That was suggested in the conversation chain and is possible. I need to know a lot more people would get involved though before anything will be set up. There are lots of people on this list - would any of you get involved? Andy --- Steven Kendrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: andrew gant, INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Recently on The Shooters Website Discussion Forum at www.claypigeonshoots.co.uk there was a post entitled "Shooters Wives" were a suggestion was made for a "shooters wives" section to be added. This is were pictures of the shooters wives/husbands would be sent in as well as possibley "Comedy pics" from shoting events (bloke picking nose, drunken person in the bar afterwards, etc.) I'm just wondering if people on the cybershooters list would be interested in getting involved. Either e-mail me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or head over to the forum and see the conversation line which has lots of ideas thrown about. It has only been up 1 day and a half and has already received 17 replies. Thanks Andy -- How about shooter's husbands, I'm sure there are some female shooters out there! Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-shooter's wives
From: andrew gant, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Recently on The Shooters Website Discussion Forum at www.claypigeonshoots.co.uk there was a post entitled "Shooters Wives" were a suggestion was made for a "shooters wives" section to be added. This is were pictures of the shooters wives/husbands would be sent in as well as possibley "Comedy pics" from shoting events (bloke picking nose, drunken person in the bar afterwards, etc.) I'm just wondering if people on the cybershooters list would be interested in getting involved. Either e-mail me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or head over to the forum and see the conversation line which has lots of ideas thrown about. It has only been up 1 day and a half and has already received 17 replies. Thanks Andy -- How about shooter's husbands, I'm sure there are some female shooters out there! Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Pol-crime squad
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Monday eve. 7.30, BBC1, crime squad. An investigation into the growing use of firearms amongst criminals. Expect plenty of hand wringing, calls for legeslation and how those naughty criminals didn't give their guns into the police. Plus another call to ban handguns, again! And this time we really mean it. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-jokes
From: andrew gant, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit Joke Corner at The Shooters Website at: www.claypigeonshoots.co.uk It's a joke a day thing from The Shooters Website + whatever jokes are submitted by the shooters. The first 3 jokes on there are a MUST read - I'm not jokeing they are absolutely hilarious - pardon the pun. It can be found in the bottom frame. Thanks. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Target-Shooting Product Reviews
From: andrew gant, [EMAIL PROTECTED] We're trying to build a section at The Shooters Website were shooters post their reviews of any shooting product(s) - good or bad. This will give both new and existing shooters the chance find out what the shooters think as apposed to the manufacturers. It could proove to be a very interesting and valuable read to the shooters. So please head over to www.claypigeonshoots.co.uk and visit the "Your Shooting Product Reviews" section and post your own review, which you will be able to see on the internet as soon as you've posted it. + It would be interesting to hear Steven Kendrick's review of our site and indeed of shooting products. So please head over there yourself as well Steven. www.claypigeonshoots.co.ukThe Shooters Website Thankyou Andrew -- I did have a look at your website, it's quite good. I intend to do product reviews on the Cybershooters site when I find the time to do them! Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-land warrior
From: andrew, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Only a few months the french successfully sabotaged tank trials held by the Greek army by using a small transmitter to block GPS signals. Naturally the tank crews were trained to rely on GPS and as result demonstrations of british, german and u.s. tanks were a fiasco. Of course in a real war the enemy wouldn't stoop to such underhand, dirty tricks. Garbage in - garbage out. -- In a REAL war, a 1 megaton warhead exploded under the GPS satellite would kill it with EMP. I know they're EMP hardened but they're not tough enough to survive a nuclear explosion. But I wonder if anyone would do that, because so many foreign armies rely on US GPS satellites! I don't know that the US uses, but the British Army has an emergency relay system in the event satellites are knocked out by EMP. My job in the army was to help deploy it in the event of a nuclear attack. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Legal-obsolete calibers
From: andrew, [EMAIL PROTECTED] I heard that the home office has published a revised list of obsolete calibers. Is this true and if so where can I get a copy? -- Er, the Home Office? If it's the list I'm thinking of it's in the tenth annual report of the FCC, if the list you're talking about is the one to do with antiques. Try www.homeoffice.gov.uk Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-Shooting chat room
From: andrew gant, [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you would like to chat to other shooters live over the internet visit The Shooters Website chat room at www.claypigeonshoots.co.uk Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Target-Olympic Reports
From: andrew gant, [EMAIL PROTECTED] A round up of all the Olympic Shooting results is available at www.claypigeonshoots.co.uk - reports are available for most of the 16 events. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Target-melting bullets
From: andrew, [EMAIL PROTECTED] I never said that lead was lost off the bullet during firing did I! Only that the base could not be subject to melting. Of course you will there will be residues of bullet material mixed in with the propellant gasses and deposited in the bore, this happens no matter what the bullet material. The TMJ bullets were introduced to control lead release not on firing but on impact on steel plate backstops on in door ranges, essentially to keep the lead fully contained no matter what. Which brings up further proof that the base of the bullet is not melted. Apparently the theory was that high lead levels in the air were caused by lead off the bases bullets. However, controlled tests by CCI with the new bullets revealed no impact on air borne lead levels.
CS: Misc-chatrooms
From: andrew gant, [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you would like a shooting chat room to chat to other shooters - live over the internet without having to sign up for anything. Visit www.claypigeonshoots.co.uk and fill in the contact us form and tell us you want a chat room. Or alternatively e-mail me at this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] telling me you want a chat room. If I get a good response - a chat room will be placed at The Shooters Website immediately and I'll let you all know straight away. If you haven't already been to the site - have a look. It's easy to use, fast loading and looks GOOD. Thanks Andrew Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Target-new English Skeet Club forming
From: andrew gant, [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is a new, big money English Skeet club forming. This is called "The England Skeet Club". For further details on this exciting news visit: www.claypigeonshoots.co.uk The Shooters Website Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-clay pigeon website
From: andrew gant, [EMAIL PROTECTED] visit www.claypigeonshoots.co.uk The Shooters Website - it has all the latest shoot reports, results, discussion forum, news, games room, shooting product reviews, classified ads and lots more. A definate bookmark! This is a great site done by shooters, for shooters and really is worth checking out. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-It's cheaper in the USA/Europe/anywhere
From: andrew, [EMAIL PROTECTED] I really must object to the calling practise of importing goods as "smuggling", this is clearly wrong and implies that I am breaking the law by deliberately trying to evade duty. This is not the case and I can prove it. I buy a lot of my shooting kit from overseas because I cannot get it in this country. I went to a great deal of trouble to try to buy a rifle through the official importer via my dealer only to get blocked by the importer! Instead I had to import the rifle privately. I didn't save any money or time, but I got the rifle, which was a standard catalogue item! When I wanted parts for my Ruger Old Army I went to Brownells and got them inside of a week, I've known people to be still waiting TWO YEARS after placing an order with Viking Arms for a simple spring. I get teed off with the practise of retailers and importers telling me they have something ready for immediate delivery when they (and I) know that there is not a single one in the country. I also get fed up with dealers who do not know what they are talking about and try to sell me stuff that is plainly unsuitable and then give me the run around when I point it out. I buy most of my reloading gear from Sinclair International; not because it is cheaper but because I know that I will get what I ordered and it will arrive within a week. And then we have the items that are not imported because there is a very limited market here, like bullet casting and swaging equipment. I went to NEI for my 72 gr. .22 mould because there is no distributor in this country and this is in addition having to deal with people who refer to bullets as "heads". BTW, I do pay duty and VAT on everything I import and although it does sometimes work out cheaper to buy direct the main reason I do it is so that I can actually get what I want - when I want it. I do support my local gun shops and so far this year I have put around L800 in cash over the counter for reloading components alone, but it is an up hill struggle sometimes. A few years ago my local dealer actually went on the local T.V. news saying that there ought to be restrictions on the sale of reloading equipment and components; why should I put money over this man's counter? -- Totally agree with everything you say, I think RFDs are living in cloud cuckoo land if they expect FAC holders to buy from them out of sympathy. Basic economic theory tells you that people are going to go to the place where they can get the best deal and get the fastest delivery. Frankly one of the reasons I buy from overseas is simply because they seem helpful and genuinely interested in their customers, a lot of dealers (I'd say about 20%) here have no idea how to talk to customers. I've actually heard from more than one RFD that all guns should be required to have UK proofmarks on them to stop grey imports. What planet are these people living on? Protectionism is dead, dead, dead. The reason RFDs are in trouble is the same reason we are in trouble - the legislation. I've always thought the best idea would be for someone to set up a mail order business on the Isle of Man or possibly in Jersey, as the police aren't quite such a PITA there plus the business climate is more favourable (lower taxes etc.) There used to be quite a few arms dealers based on the Isle of Man but the thing a few years ago with the arms dealing in Rwanda (what was the name of the firm, Mil something?) made the IoM Govt. very sensitive about it. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-Riot gases in war
From: andrew, [EMAIL PROTECTED] For a definative history of the subject read "The poison Cloud" by Haber. The author is the grand nephew of the german chemical engineer who lead the project during WW1. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Legal-anonymity
From: andrew, [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think you have to look at the psychological side of this. The "authorities" would not consider that an "ordinary citizen" (that's you and me) needs to be concerned about retribution as we have the protection of our glorious police force who we pay so much for and granting anonymity would be an admission of failure. Whereas the police have no one higher power to look after them; sort of a variation on the "who watches the watchers" theme. Besides which being treated differently to the to everyone else is guaranteed to make you feel superior. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Misc-Imperial/Metrication Small Arms
From: andrew, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mauser barrel threads are Whitworth form! But the muzzle thread on M96 rifles and others is metric (M14 x 1). Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Target-.308
From: andrew, [EMAIL PROTECTED] I suspect part of the difference in case life is neck annealing and work hardening of the entire case. RG ammunition always shows a very marked amount of heat treating at the shoulder. Actually all cases get heat treated the same. The difference is that the military insist that discolouration from the final neck anneal is kept so it can be seen that it has been done, whereas for commercial sale the cases are polished bright because we like to see our brass nice and shiny. Another point with Berdan primed cases is that the case forming (stamping) and primer pocket/primer hole(s) formation is done very differently. I was led to believe that such a system led to thicker case walls at the base of the cartridge and a thicker casehead. The military specify a beefier case head and web because of the extreme stress that these parts go through during extraction and ejection, particularly in automatic weapons. For further information I recommend the book "Ammunition making" published by the NRA (of america) and available from www.discountgunbooks.com and other book sellers. This book is a very good read and is basically the biography of an engineer who worked in the ammunition industry all his working life. Every facet of commercial ammo manufacture and testing is covered of all types of small arms ammo. -- That first point was an interesting tidbit. I was wondering why Swiss GP90 has the discolouration at the shoulder of the case but the commercial Swiss .223 doesn't even though the cases are otherwise identical. Steve. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
CS: Target-.307 win.
From: andrew, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hmm, I wonder if a .307 Model 94 could be converted to a box feed .308. That could be interesting. Steve. Why bother when you there is already the Savage 99C and Browning BLR available. Both in .308 plus a wide range of other cals. The BLR has front locking rotary bolt, good trigger and a reputation for outstanding accuracy. I believe that extended mags. are also available for the Browning. A friend has a Mirouko badged BLR (I think all the BLRs are made by Mirouko) and though it is a bit stiff to open with mil. spec. 7.62 it is smooth as silk with factory (Norma Jagt Match) .308 ammo. It handles cast bullets perfectly. They can be picked up quite cheap too, even new ones. Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ T O P I C A The Email You Want. http://www.topica.com/t/16 Newsletters, Tips and Discussions on Your Favorite Topics
