Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.

[Andrew DeFaria]

Christopher Faylor wrote:
On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 10:26:26PM -0800, Andrew DeFaria wrote:
Gary R. Van Sickle wrote:
Jerry Williams, not of the band Grateful Dead, wrote:
==> fortunes2-o <==
Would you please have another look at my nose and put in that
cocaine stuff
-- Adolf Hitler, quoted by Dr. Giesing in Nuremberg trial
Is something like this even legal in Germany?
Why would you suggest that expressing a thought, however you might 
disagree with it, should be illegal?
Probably because some expressions relating to Nazism are illegal in 
Germany. One of our German users would probably know this for sue.
It may be - doesn't make it right...
Are you sure your an American?!?
Why would speculating on another country's laws make someone un-American?
Oh I don't know. Something about the part that goes "We hold these 
truths to be self evident...". As an American I believe that these 
truths, like the freedom as speech, are self evident, even when other 
countries suppress such things.

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RE: Obscene content in cygwin file.

[Gary R. Van Sickle]

More DeFaria:

> Gary R. Van Sickle wrote:
> 
> > Jerry Williams, not of the band Grateful Dead, wrote:
> >
> >> ==> fortunes2-o <==
> >> Would you please have another look at my nose and put in 
> that cocaine 
> >> stuff
> >> -- Adolf Hitler, quoted by Dr. Giesing in Nuremberg trial
> >
> > Is something like this even legal in Germany?
> 
> Why would you suggest that expressing a thought, however you 
> might disagree with it, should be illegal?

For the silly reason that I happen to know that a lot of things related to
Nazis or Hitler in Deutschland ungültig ist.  Ferinstance, check out the
German aircraft in MS's Combat Flight Simulator - no swastikas, 'cause if
there were, they couldn't fly in German airspace.

Perhaps you should complete your junior high civics class before trying to
tell people what should offend them.

> Are you sure your 
> an American?!?

DONT TREAD ON ME baby!

"Oh beautiful, for heroes proved,
In liberating strife,
Who more than self, our country loved,
And mercy more than life,

America, America, may God thy gold refine,
Till all success be nobleness
And every gain Divine.

And you know when I was in school,
We used to sing it something like this, listen here:

Oh beautiful, for spacious skies,
For amber waves of grain,
For purple mountain majesties,
Above the fruited plain,

But now wait a minute, I'm talking about
America, sweet America,
You know, God done shed his grace on thee,
He crowned thy good, yes he did, in a brotherhood,
From sea to shining sea."

You know, I wish I had somebody to help me sing this... ;-)

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Cygwin installation failure problem

[Books Worms]

Hi all,

My installation problem is that "cannot open log file
C:\cygwin/var/log/setup.log for writing" and
installation crashed at almost 89% portion of the
installation that was the same for each successive
re-installing cygwin. I checked that directory and
found no such file at all(Actually I downloaded
setup.exe on my desktop, so did setup.log stored in
the same directory). My new computer installed with
windows home edition sp2, which were bought just in
one month from Futureshop.Ca. I guess the installation
process might conflict with some other software
installed in my local drives. However I have no
knowledge to go beyond this. I desperately need your
help with this issue.

Any reply is very much appreciated.

Thanks to you all,

Edward




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Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.

[wszumera]

On 5 Jan 2005 at 23:38, Christopher Faylor wrote:

> How do you feel about the off-color content in the cygwin fortune files?
> 
>   [ ] Offended.  Think about the children!
>   [ ] Not offended.  Stop bothering me with your Puritanical values.
>   [ ] Don't care.  Can we go back to talking about how negative this list
>   is now?
[] installed fortune with -a option and I feel left out, haven't seen anything 
racy.

btw, is .bash_profile the right place to call fortune?

W


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Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.

[Christopher Faylor]

On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 01:41:58AM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote:
>On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 10:26:26PM -0800, Andrew DeFaria wrote:
>>Gary R. Van Sickle wrote:
>>
>>>Jerry Williams, not of the band Grateful Dead, wrote:
>>>
==> fortunes2-o <==
Would you please have another look at my nose and put in that  
cocaine stuff
-- Adolf Hitler, quoted by Dr. Giesing in Nuremberg trial
>>>
>>>Is something like this even legal in Germany?
>>
>>Why would you suggest that expressing a thought, however you might
>>disagree with it, should be illegal?
>
>Probably because some expressions relating to Nazism are illegal in
>Germany.  One of our German users would probably know this for sue.
sure

What an oddly appropriate typo on my part.

cgf

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Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.

[Andrew DeFaria]

Gary R. Van Sickle wrote:
A number of people like hard pore cornography too. Cygwin doesn't 
provide that, at least not in visual form, at least not that I'm aware of.

The question stands: What is the reason Cygwin should provide this 
obscene content?
Same reason any other piece of functionality does not exit in Cygwin 
yet! Because we need a volunteer? Are you volunteering Gary? I'm sure 
you have a good collection yourself! :-)

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Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.

[Christopher Faylor]

On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 10:26:26PM -0800, Andrew DeFaria wrote:
>Gary R. Van Sickle wrote:
>
>>Jerry Williams, not of the band Grateful Dead, wrote:
>>
>>>==> fortunes2-o <==
>>>Would you please have another look at my nose and put in that  
>>>cocaine stuff
>>>-- Adolf Hitler, quoted by Dr. Giesing in Nuremberg trial
>>
>>Is something like this even legal in Germany?
>
>Why would you suggest that expressing a thought, however you might
>disagree with it, should be illegal?

Probably because some expressions relating to Nazism are illegal in
Germany.  One of our German users would probably know this for sue.

>Are you sure your an American?!?

Why would speculating on another country's laws make someone
un-American?

cgf

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Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.

[Andrew DeFaria]

Gary R. Van Sickle wrote:
Most agree that it's a packaging bug in fortune, and that the 
limericks file should be renamed limericks-o and ROT13'd. End of 
discussion.
Nononono, don't you try to force your end-of-discussion values on ME!
[I'm not done forcing my morals on you...]
I agree that at a minimum, the obfuscation you describe is absolutely 
required. However, I'd like an answer to a question which I raised 
with a different poster: What's the reason to provide this profanity 
at all in the Cygwin distro? 
People, people! We're forgetting the real reason why we slave and toil 
with Cygwin! The answer to your question Gary is simple - Because we're 
mean! There ya go! End of discussion!

To the best of my knowledge, there are no Cygwin X-screensavers loaded 
with obfuscated pornographic pictures. I can't imagine one being 
accepted were it to be proposed by somebody. But dirty limericks get 
the green light? Why?
'Cause their funny! And because we're mean!
But, in the intrest of the desire of many here to have their porn and 
limericks too, I offer this new constructive vote category suggestion:

"[ ] I demand more filth! Add a new "Porn" category to Setup!"
Frankly, I'd think just pulling the off-color material is the easiest 
solution from a legal, moral, technical, and argumentological standpoint.
Translation: I will continue my proslitizing until I get my way!
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Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.

[Andrew DeFaria]

Gary R. Van Sickle wrote:
Jerry Williams, not of the band Grateful Dead, wrote:
==> fortunes2-o <==
Would you please have another look at my nose and put in that  
cocaine stuff
-- Adolf Hitler, quoted by Dr. Giesing in Nuremberg trial
Is something like this even legal in Germany?
Why would you suggest that expressing a thought, however you might 
disagree with it, should be illegal? Are you sure your an American?!?
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RE: Obscene content in cygwin file.

[Igor Pechtchanski]

On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Gary R. Van Sickle wrote:

> > Most agree that it's a packaging bug in fortune, and that the
> > limericks file should be renamed limericks-o and ROT13'd.
> > End of discussion.
>
> Nononono, don't you try to force your end-of-discussion values on ME!

Heh...  On most other messages you at least leave a name of the person
you're quoting.  Here, I actually had to *read* your reply to figure out
it was me.  What's the world coming to? ;-)

> I agree that at a minimum, the obfuscation you describe is absolutely
> required.  However, I'd like an answer to a question which I raised with a
> different poster:  What's the reason to provide this profanity at all in the
> Cygwin distro?  To the best of my knowledge, there are no Cygwin
> X-screensavers loaded with obfuscated pornographic pictures.  I can't
> imagine one being accepted were it to be proposed by somebody.  But dirty
> limericks get the green light?  Why?
>
> But, in the intrest of the desire of many here to have their porn and
> limericks too, I offer this new constructive vote category suggestion:
>
> "[ ]  I demand more filth!  Add a new "Porn" category to Setup!"

Sure.  No problem.  Go for it.  As long as it's in Debian, it's fine...
];->

> Frankly, I'd think just pulling the off-color material is the easiest
> solution from a legal, moral, technical, and argumentological standpoint.

IMHO (and, since I'm not the maintainer of the fortune package, this is
indeed a HO), the "right" solution is whatever's easiest to the fortune
maintainer in terms of time, both current (doing the work) and future
(maintaining the package with respect to future upstream changes).  This
would imply not splitting the package, cutting out pieces of the package,
etc, since those just add extra work at later stages.

The "obscene" material was not supposed to be seen without special action
on the part of the user (as documented in the man page).  It was seen
without such action, due to a packaging bug.  The bug should be fixed --
period.  However, if some package you maintain contained a bug (e.g.,
buffer overrun) that made it garble, say, its normal help output, and that
new output accidentally contained "f**k" (or some other "obscene"
terminology) -- would you argue for removing the help output, or would you
simply go and fix the bug?  Granted, the analogy's a bit stretched, but
it's the best I can come up with at 1:30am.
Igor
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Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.

[Andrew DeFaria]

Dave Korn wrote:
They *are* going into newsagents, pulling Playboy off the shelves, 
opening it up, reading it (probably hypocritically
enjoying it too), and then whining about how offended they are and 
demanding that the entire world be made conform to their personal 
tastes and beliefs. It's in this way that solipsism turns into 
dictatorial oppression.
That's because they are angry at the fact that they actually do enjoy it.
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RE: Obscene content in cygwin file.

[Rodrigo de Salvo Braz]

On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Gary R. Van Sickle wrote:

> > A number of people like them.
>
> A number of people like hard pore cornography too.  Cygwin doesn't provide
> that, at least not in visual form, at least not that I'm aware of.
>
> The question stands:  What is the reason Cygwin should provide this obscene
> content?

A number of people feel the dirty limericks are close enough
to the purpose of fortune for them to have been included and kept.
But nobody thought it would be interesting to include pore cornography in
Cygwin (or, for that matter, the full works of Shakespeare). If lots
of people wanted that, then it should be done too.

It all boils down to cost/benefit, benefits here being how many people
find an item good to include and costs being how many don't, and maybe
even file size as well. Pore cornography would probably involve lots of
negative reaction and large files, and the people who like it wouldn't
care since they can easily get it elsewhere. In the limericks case, the -o
option seems to have the least cost/benefit ratio.

Rodrigo

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RE: Obscene content in cygwin file.

[Gary R. Van Sickle]

Jon Lambert wrote:

> Gary R. Van Sickle wrote:
> > Perhaps.  Could somebody tell me the single-best reason for 
> providing 
> > the profanity at all?
> >
> > Hello?
> >
> > Anybody?
> 
> Apparently some distros have split off the package into parts like
> fortune   - the program with no data
> fortune-min  - the quotes
> fortune-off   - the stuff that'd make a sailor blush
> 
> fortune-mod-boh
> fortune-mod-homer
> fortune-mod-bible-1.0
>

Really?
 
> I'd of course prefer the following packaging:
> fortune
> fortune-min
> fortune-mod-bible-1.0
> 
> But  not just because it would be amusing to see the half of 
> the unoffended suddenly start squealing about pulling it or 
> encrypting it.

Well, I'd prefer a similar packaging:

fortune
fortune-min  (what I thought I installed)
fortune-mod-homer
fortune-mod-bible-1.0

However, I *would* include mod-bible-1.0 for the sole purpose of triggering
the howls of "W!!!  I'M IN JUNIOR HIGH!!!  I WANT DIRTY LIMERICKS
(TEEEHEEEH!) NOT BIBLE".

Yeah, I know: www.geocities.com/latenitegoddess/hellwhenidie11.12.04.wav

;-)

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Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.

[Jon A. Lambert]

Gary R. Van Sickle wrote:
Perhaps.  Could somebody tell me the single-best reason for providing
the profanity at all?
Hello?
Anybody?
Apparently some distros have split off the package into parts like
fortune   - the program with no data
fortune-min  - the quotes
fortune-off   - the stuff that'd make a sailor blush
fortune-mod-boh
fortune-mod-homer
fortune-mod-bible-1.0
I'd of course prefer the following packaging:
fortune
fortune-min
fortune-mod-bible-1.0
But  not just because it would be amusing to see the half of the unoffended
suddenly start squealing about pulling it or encrypting it.

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Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.

[Raye Raskin]

- Original Message - 
From: "Gary R. Van Sickle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 6:18 PM
Subject: RE: Obscene content in cygwin file.


On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Gary R. Van Sickle wrote:
> Perhaps.  Could somebody tell me the single-best reason for 
providing 
> the profanity at all?

A number of people like them.
Best,
Rodrigo
A number of people like hard pore cornography too.  Cygwin doesn't provide
that, at least not in visual form, at least not that I'm aware of.
The question stands:  What is the reason Cygwin should provide this obscene
content?
This is a good question.  For reference, this is the warning I got after I
selected fortune for installation on SuSE Linux today:
"Together with a lot of funny sayings fortune also contains some sayings which
may not be fully "politically correct". These sayings are nevertheless included
as SuSE does not want to apply any censorship to fortune. Please note that not
all users may appreciate all fortune sayings. Please do not install fortune in
this case."
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RE: Obscene content in cygwin file.

[Gary R. Van Sickle]

> On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Gary R. Van Sickle wrote:
> 
> > Perhaps.  Could somebody tell me the single-best reason for 
> providing 
> > the profanity at all?
> 
> A number of people like them.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Rodrigo

A number of people like hard pore cornography too.  Cygwin doesn't provide
that, at least not in visual form, at least not that I'm aware of.

The question stands:  What is the reason Cygwin should provide this obscene
content?

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Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.

[Raye Raskin]

- Original Message - 
From: "Rodrigo de Salvo Braz"
To: "Gary R. Van Sickle"
Cc: 
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 6:04 PM
Subject: RE: Obscene content in cygwin file.


On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Gary R. Van Sickle wrote:
Perhaps.  Could somebody tell me the single-best reason for providing the
profanity at all?
A number of people like them.
Variety is the spice of life, and isn't variety what fortune is all about?
Also, I've never met anyone, *anyone* who doesn't like a good (key word)
dirty joke.  Perhaps the problem is the quality, not the color.
I mentioned in an earlier post that maybe fortune is misnamed.  I wasn't
joking or being sarcastic.  How about "nonsense" or "hogwash" or "duck"?
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RE: Obscene content in cygwin file.

[Rodrigo de Salvo Braz]

On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Gary R. Van Sickle wrote:

> Perhaps.  Could somebody tell me the single-best reason for providing the
> profanity at all?

A number of people like them.

Best,

Rodrigo

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RE: fortune maintainer wanted and question for Corinna (was Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.)

[Gary R. Van Sickle]

> On Fri, 07 Jan 2005, Jon A. Lambert might have said:
> 
> > Mike wrote:
> > >
> > >Since you must *ask* for the 'rude' version of fortune 
> (fortune -o) 
> > >before you get any of the alleged offensive material, then 
> what's the 
> > >problem?
> > 
> > @ fortune
> > sdesc: "Print a random, hopefully interesting, adage"
> > category: Games
> > requires: cygwin
> > 
> > The problem is that it doesn't inform the user that the package 
> > contains said material.
> > 
> > Had it said
> > sdesc: "Print a random, hopefully interesting, adage about 
> cunts and 
> > niggers"
> > 
> > I would have been better informed about the nature of the package.
> 
> How eloquent.

How ironic.

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RE: Obscene content in cygwin file.

[Gary R. Van Sickle]

> Most agree that it's a packaging bug in fortune, and that the 
> limericks file should be renamed limericks-o and ROT13'd.  
> End of discussion.

Nononono, don't you try to force your end-of-discussion values on ME!

I agree that at a minimum, the obfuscation you describe is absolutely
required.  However, I'd like an answer to a question which I raised with a
different poster:  What's the reason to provide this profanity at all in the
Cygwin distro?  To the best of my knowledge, there are no Cygwin
X-screensavers loaded with obfuscated pornographic pictures.  I can't
imagine one being accepted were it to be proposed by somebody.  But dirty
limericks get the green light?  Why?

But, in the intrest of the desire of many here to have their porn and
limericks too, I offer this new constructive vote category suggestion:

"[ ]  I demand more filth!  Add a new "Porn" category to Setup!"

Frankly, I'd think just pulling the off-color material is the easiest
solution from a legal, moral, technical, and argumentological standpoint.

-- 
Gary R. Van Sickle
 



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RE: Obscene content in cygwin file.

[Gary R. Van Sickle]

Jerry Williams, not of the band Grateful Dead, wrote:

> ==> fortunes2-o <==
> Would you please have another look at my nose and put in that 
> cocaine stuff
> -- Adolf Hitler, quoted by Dr. Giesing in 
> Nuremberg trial
> 

Is something like this even legal in Germany?

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RE: Obscene content in cygwin file.

[Gary R. Van Sickle]

The David Korn who is not the Korn Shell guy wrote:

> > -Original Message-
> > From: cygwin-owner On Behalf Of Christopher Faylor
> > Sent: 07 January 2005 14:52
> 
> > Business issues are not the point here, though.  My issue is that I 
> > grant others the right to be offended by the type of language we're 
> > talking about.  It is a given that there are many people in our 
> > society who will be offended by it.  These people do not 
> buy Playboy 
> > or Hustler because they do not like what these magazines 
> represent but 
> > they aren't out picketing those establishments, either.  
> So, they are 
> > following the "Just don't look at it then!" scenario.
> 
>   That unfortunately is not true.

Yes, it is.

>  In this country we've just 
> had a theatre play shut down by threats of violence from one 
> group of religious bigots, and there is currently an ongoing 
> pressure campaign from another group of religious bigots to 
> try and pressure the BBC into pulling an as-yet unscreened 
> program on the grounds that if it was screened and if they 
> did happen to watch it they might be offended.
> 

Irrelevant to the issue at hand.

>   Of course, if they're forewarned enough to know that they 
> might find this program offensive, they're perfectly well 
> forewarned enough to not end up watching it by accident, but 
> that's not good enough for them, and the reason why it's not 
> good enough for them is that the potential offence they might 
> suffer is a mere pretext, and their real concern is to try 
> and compel everyone else to be like they are by controlling 
> what we may see and hear in an effort to control how we 
> think.  It's coercive evangelism.  Forcible recruitment.  
> Religious pressganging.  Blackmail, brainwashing and mind control.
> 

Continues to be irrelevant to the issue at hand.

>   So no, I'm no longer prepared to automatically extend to 
> people the right to take offence at what I say or do, since 
> they regularly abuse that right in an attempt to - well, 
> basically, to enslave others and rule over their minds.  It's 
> insanity to hand every single religious crank with an agenda 
> to push an absolute veto over anything and everything you 
> might ever want to do or say.
> 

You didn't write "fortune", nor do you distribute it.  Hence, this is also
irrelevant to the issue at hand.  You're three for three!

>   I do not believe people have the right to jump up and 
> voluntarily *choose* to be offended by things that are 
> perfectly reasonable to all those who are actually involved 
> or affected.

Hmm.  I see we made the right decision back in 1776.  Here in the good ol'
U. S. of A. you get to *choose* to be offended or not offended by whatever
you want.  Hell, you can even change what offends you from day to day!

>  They *are* going into newsagents, pulling 
> Playboy off the shelves, opening it up, reading it (probably 
> hypocritically enjoying it too), and then whining about how 
> offended they are and demanding that the entire world be made 
> conform to their personal tastes and beliefs.

1.  Then they're vandalizing the newsie's property, seeing as Playboy comes
in a convenient sealed plastic bag.
2.  Nobody's doing that.
3.  Now you're four for four.

> It's in this way that solipsism turns into dictatorial oppression.
> 

Ok, so lemme see if'n I got this here right y'all:

De-obscenifying "fortune" will directly lead to a New World Order of
Stalinist-era dictatorial oppression.

W.  O.  W.

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RE: Obscene content in cygwin file.

[Gary R. Van Sickle]

> Gary R. Van Sickle wrote:
> 
> > Good thing I didn't install it at work, and that I don't work at a 
> > Megacorp that has whole departments devoted to rooting through 
> > peoples' files looking for reasons to fire them.
> 
> IMHO, this is the single best reason for obfuscating the 
> profanity with rot13.
> --
> Francis Litterio
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> 

Perhaps.  Could somebody tell me the single-best reason for providing the
profanity at all?

Hello?

Anybody?

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Re: How do I downgrade to cygwin-1.5.10-3

[Satish Balay]

On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Satish Balay wrote:

> I'm able to use 'tar' method to downgrade to 1.5.10-3 - and try a few
> things out. But I can't make it permanant - as 'cygcheck -c cygwin'
> gives 1.5.11 - and this breaks some other tools.

ok - I just had to edit /etc/setup/installed.db - and change
cygwin-1.5.11 to cygwin-1.5.10-3

Satish

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Re: How do I downgrade to cygwin-1.5.10-3

[Satish Balay]

On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Larry Hall wrote:

> If you can find a stale mirror that contains cygwin-1.5.10-3, then you 
> may find that you get the above message if you install it. 

Isn't that the challange? :). The few mirrors I tried are up2date..

> You'll get such a message for any packages you have locally
> installed that are built against a later version of the Cygwin
> package than what you have currently installed.

I managed to select 'prev' instead of 'current' in setup.exe - and
downgrade all packages to their older versions (this gets rid of the
_impure_ptr error). However I can't downgrade cygwin to
cygwin-1.5.10-3 cleanly.

I'm able to use 'tar' method to downgrade to 1.5.10-3 - and try a few
things out. But I can't make it permanant - as 'cygcheck -c cygwin'
gives 1.5.11 - and this breaks some other tools.

Satish

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Re: How do I downgrade to cygwin-1.5.10-3

[Larry Hall]

At 05:48 PM 1/7/2005, you wrote:
>On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Satish Balay wrote:
>
>> 
>> I'm seeing some wierd behavior - I'd like to downgrade to
>> cygwin-1.5.10-3 - and see if this goes away.
>> 
>> The cygwin setup gives the option of downgrading to cygwin-1.5.11-1 -
>> but not cygwin-1.5.10-3. (I'm currently using the latest 1.5.12-1)
>> 
>> How can I downgrade to cygwin-1.5.10-3? (I have the
>> cygwin-1.5.10.3.tar.bz2 file in the cygwin-install cache)
>
>Oh well..
>
>I tried the 'tar' installer and I get errors of type:
>tye procedure entry point _impure_ptr could not be located in cygwin.dll
>I get the same error with cygwin-1.5.11-1.
>
>I guess a downgrade from '1.5.12' is a no-no..


If you can find a stale mirror that contains cygwin-1.5.10-3, then you 
may find that you get the above message if you install it.  You'll get 
such a message for any packages you have locally installed that are built 
against a later version of the Cygwin package than what you have currently
installed.



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Re: Obscene Content Tiebreaker

[Igor Pechtchanski]

On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Daniel B. wrote:

> Hey, too bad there's not a universal offensiveness rating system
> (multidimensional, maybe like the geek code?)

LOL. You mean, the "eek code"? :-)
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Re: How do I downgrade to cygwin-1.5.10-3

[Satish Balay]

On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Satish Balay wrote:

> 
> I'm seeing some wierd behavior - I'd like to downgrade to
> cygwin-1.5.10-3 - and see if this goes away.
> 
> The cygwin setup gives the option of downgrading to cygwin-1.5.11-1 -
> but not cygwin-1.5.10-3. (I'm currently using the latest 1.5.12-1)
> 
> How can I downgrade to cygwin-1.5.10-3? (I have the
> cygwin-1.5.10.3.tar.bz2 file in the cygwin-install cache)

Oh well..

I tried the 'tar' installer and I get errors of type:
tye procedure entry point _impure_ptr could not be located in cygwin.dll
I get the same error with cygwin-1.5.11-1.

I guess a downgrade from '1.5.12' is a no-no..

Satish

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Compiling SRecord fails on Cygwin; succeeds on Linux/FreeBSD.

[E. Weddington]

Hello!
I've been trying to build the SRecord package version 1.20:

I'm using the Cygwin GCC compiler, 3.3.3. I've been getting failures 
during the link phase:

g++  -o bin/srec_cat prog/srec_cat/arglex3.o prog/srec_cat/main.o 
lib/libsrecord.a
lib/libsrecord.a(arglex.o)(.ctors+0x0): In function 
`_ZN11srec_arglexC2EiPPc':
/cygdrive/c/avrdev/srecord/srecord-1.20/lib/srec/arglex.cc:31: undefined 
reference to `__GLOBAL__I__ZN11srec_arglexC2EiPPc'
lib/libsrecord.a(arglex.o)(.dtors+0x0):/cygdrive/c/avrdev/srecord/srecord-1.20/lib/srec/arglex.cc:31: 
undefined reference to `__GLOBAL__D__ZN11srec_arglexC2EiPPc'
lib/libsrecord.a(get_number.o)(.ctors+0x0): In function 
`_ZN11srec_arglex10get_numberEPKc':
/cygdrive/c/avrdev/srecord/srecord-1.20/lib/srec/arglex/get_number.cc:31: 
undefined reference to `__GLOBAL__I__ZN11srec_arglex10get_numberEPKc'
lib/libsrecord.a(get_number.o)(.dtors+0x0):/cygdrive/c/avrdev/srecord/srecord-1.20/lib/srec/arglex/get_number.cc:31: 
undefined reference to `__GLOBAL__D__ZN11srec_arglex10get_numberEPKc'
lib/libsrecord.a(output.o)(.ctors+0x0): In function 
`_ZN11srec_arglex10get_outputEv':
/cygdrive/c/avrdev/srecord/srecord-1.20/lib/srec/arglex/output.cc:57: 
undefined reference to `__GLOBAL__I__ZN11srec_arglex10get_outputEv'
lib/libsrecord.a(output.o)(.dtors+0x0):/cygdrive/c/avrdev/srecord/srecord-1.20/lib/srec/arglex/output.cc:57: 
undefined reference to `__GLOBAL__D__ZN11srec_arglex10get_outputEv'
lib/libsrecord.a(input.o)(.ctors+0x0): In function 
`_ZN11srec_arglex9get_inputEv':
/cygdrive/c/avrdev/srecord/srecord-1.20/lib/srec/arglex/input.cc:78: 
undefined reference to `__GLOBAL__I__ZN11srec_arglex9get_inputEv'
lib/libsrecord.a(input.o)(.dtors+0x0):/cygdrive/c/avrdev/srecord/srecord-1.20/lib/srec/arglex/input.cc:78: 
undefined reference to `__GLOBAL__D__ZN11srec_arglex9get_inputEv'
lib/libsrecord.a(get_interval.o)(.ctors+0x0): In function 
`_ZN11srec_arglex18get_interval_innerEPKc':
/cygdrive/c/avrdev/srecord/srecord-1.20/lib/srec/arglex/get_interval.cc:31: 
undefined reference to 
`__GLOBAL__I__ZN11srec_arglex18get_interval_innerEPKc'
lib/libsrecord.a(get_interval.o)(.dtors+0x0):/cygdrive/c/avrdev/srecord/srecord-1.20/lib/srec/arglex/get_interval.cc:31: 
undefined reference to 
`__GLOBAL__D__ZN11srec_arglex18get_interval_innerEPKc'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make: *** [bin/srec_cat] Error 1

The original author of SRecord was able to successfully build it on a 
Linux host, using the same compiler version, and I have a colleague who 
can build it on FreeBSD, using the same compiler version, with no 
problems either.

SRecord 1.20 (and all previous versions to 1.12) used to be able to 
compile with (Cygwin) GCC 2.95.x with no problems. Obviously, gcc-2 has 
been removed from the install tree, so that's not very feasible.

- Could this be a problem with the Cygwin port of GCC? Is it a known 
issue? Is there a workaround?

- Should I go ahead an open up a GCC bug report? (and move this 
discussion to GCC).

Thanks
Eric
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Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.

[Igor Pechtchanski]

On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Christopher Faylor wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 12:25:42PM +0100, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> >NB: Did anybody read "Fahrenheit 451" from Ray Bradbury?  It's not about
> >jokes in the first place, but somehow this discussion reminds me
> >of the book in a fatal way.
>
> I read the book but I don't remember it too well.  I've never been too
> impressed with Ray Bradbury as a writer, though.

He has some good bits.  Fahrenheit 451 was more Orwellian than the rest of
his novels, FWIW...

> Somehow, I don't think the book was about people insisting on the right
> to store their books in your house where you might happen to trip over
> them and see things that you don't agree with.
>
> As I've said, this isn't about political correctness to me.  It's about
> people's right to be offended and our responsibility not to unduly
> surprise anyone.  I don't mind surprising people when there is a good
> technical argument for it.  I don't think that cygwin's goal should be
> to desensitize people to what is generally agreed to be bad language.
>
> Maybe it's a slippery slope.  Maybe if this was a bunch of Hindus
> complaining that fortune contained jokes about cows I would feel
> differently.  I just don't think it is a good idea to surprise an
> innocent person who is taking a casual stroll through
> /usr/share/fortune.

I agree.  One example where it could affect someone's workplace is the
fortune X screensaver, which prints random bits produced by invoking
'fortune'.  This can make any unencrypted joke visible to pretty much
everyone.

Most agree that it's a packaging bug in fortune, and that the limericks
file should be renamed limericks-o and ROT13'd.  End of discussion.
Let's just watch the thread die down now?  Maybe roast some marshmallows
on the sidelines?  Anyone got long sticks? ;-)
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Re: Change login message

[Igor Pechtchanski]

On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Corinna Vinschen wrote:

> On Jan  7 17:17, bella wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > When telnet to Cygwin server, it displayed
> >
> > CYGWIN_NT-5.0 (0.51/3/2)
> > login:
> >
> > Can I change the above login message ? How ?
>
> Not that I'm aware of.

Meaning that the line is compiled in.  You can recompile telnetd with
-DDEFAULT_IM='Your String', which will change the first line.  You can
also start telnetd with the '-h' option, which will avoid printing that
line out altogether.  There's also something in the sources about the
"default" terminal type and the "im" setting, but I couldn't figure it out
in the two minutes that I looked at the sources -- see telnet() in
telnetd.c.

The second line, I believe, comes from the login process, which is
execve'd, so I'm not sure you can easily change that.
HTH,
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How do I downgrade to cygwin-1.5.10-3

[Satish Balay]

I'm seeing some wierd behavior - I'd like to downgrade to
cygwin-1.5.10-3 - and see if this goes away.

The cygwin setup gives the option of downgrading to cygwin-1.5.11-1 -
but not cygwin-1.5.10-3. (I'm currently using the latest 1.5.12-1)

How can I downgrade to cygwin-1.5.10-3? (I have the
cygwin-1.5.10.3.tar.bz2 file in the cygwin-install cache)

Thanks,
Satish

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RE: fortune maintainer wanted and question for Corinna (was Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.)

[Robb, Sam]

> Yes but it *can* work just after you install it but before 
> you ever run 
> it! This part seems like a disclaimer if I've ever saw one:
> 
>  -oChoose only from potentially offensive aphorisms.  Please, 
> please,
>please request a potentially offensive fortune if 
> and only if you
>believe, deep down in your heart, that you are 
> willing to be
>offended.  (And that if you are, you'll just quit 
> using -o rather
>than give us grief about it, okay?)
> 
> And you don't have to install it - you can research it! See 
> http://www.rt.com/man/fortune.6.html

Uh-huh.  And the problem reported is (at least in part) that
even if you don't use -o when calling fortune, you may end up
seeing 'potentially offensive aphorisms'.

It's a bug.

-Samrobb

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Re: fortune maintainer wanted and question for Corinna (was Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.)

[Andrew DeFaria]

Jon A. Lambert wrote:
Mike wrote:
I would have been better informed about the nature of the package.
How eloquent.
Try 'man fortune'.
man fortune doesn't work until after you've already downloaded and 
installed the offensive material on your machine.
Yes but it *can* work just after you install it but before you ever run 
it! This part seems like a disclaimer if I've ever saw one:

-oChoose only from potentially offensive aphorisms.  Please, 
please,
  please request a potentially offensive fortune if and only if you
  believe, deep down in your heart, that you are willing to be
  offended.  (And that if you are, you'll just quit using -o rather
  than give us grief about it, okay?)

And you don't have to install it - you can research it! See 
http://www.rt.com/man/fortune.6.html
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Re: fortune maintainer wanted and question for Corinna (was Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.)

[Jon A. Lambert]

Mike wrote:
I would have been better informed about the nature of the package.
How eloquent.
Try 'man fortune'.
man fortune doesn't work until after you've already downloaded and installed 
the offensive material on your machine.



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Re: fortune maintainer wanted and question for Corinna (was Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.)

[Mike]

On Fri, 07 Jan 2005, Jon A. Lambert might have said:

> Mike wrote:
> >
> >Since you must *ask* for the 'rude' version of fortune (fortune -o)
> >before you get any of the alleged offensive material, then what's the
> >problem?
> 
> @ fortune
> sdesc: "Print a random, hopefully interesting, adage"
> category: Games
> requires: cygwin
> 
> The problem is that it doesn't inform the user that the package contains 
> said material.
> 
> Had it said
> sdesc: "Print a random, hopefully interesting, adage about cunts and 
> niggers"
> 
> I would have been better informed about the nature of the package.

How eloquent.
Try 'man fortune'.

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Re: fortune maintainer wanted and question for Corinna (was Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.)

[Jon A. Lambert]

Mike wrote:
Since you must *ask* for the 'rude' version of fortune (fortune -o)
before you get any of the alleged offensive material, then what's the
problem?
@ fortune
sdesc: "Print a random, hopefully interesting, adage"
category: Games
requires: cygwin
The problem is that it doesn't inform the user that the package contains 
said material.

Had it said
sdesc: "Print a random, hopefully interesting, adage about cunts and 
niggers"

I would have been better informed about the nature of the package.

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libxml2 and libxslt (was: Python packages that need updating to 2.4)

[Matthew Harris]

At the beginning of this week I reported that libxsl2-python and libxslt
need to be updated to use python2.4/site-packages/.  I have since
determined that this also is an upstream problem: the configure.in
scripts in Gnome CVS name python{2.3,2.2,...} but not python2.4.  I have
filed bug reports against those two packages (#163273 for libxml2,
#163274 for libxslt), but I believe the patch is trivial, in case the
maintainer (Gerrit P. Haase) would like to release -2 versions of
libxml2-python and libxslt.

(I'd try to construct a patch if it would help, but I'm afraid it would
take far longer for me to figure out how to construct a usable patch
than for someone to make the changes.  Just look for "python2.3" in
configure and configure.in in the tarballs for the packages.)


Matthew Harris

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Re: f77 compiler

[Tony Richardson]

Dick Henry wrote:
> In short, a program that works fine on my workstation gives different
> output on my laptop using the f77 compiler from cygwin.

Are you creating binary files?  Just a wild guess (based on recently
porting a Sun Fortran to cygwin), but then I'd assume
you are running into big endian/little endian issues.  Usually not a
problem as long as you can recompile the program that uses the binary
output under cygwin too.  If thats not an option you'll need to do
some data swabbing.

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Re: glade_xml_signal_autoconnect doesn't find functions, symbols not exported?

[Gerrit P. Haase]

Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
Gerrit P. Haase wrote:
gtk_widget_hide_on_delete is exported explicitly (at least in version
2.4.14 whioch is the latest available).

That's the version I use (2.4.14-1, actually). All other packages are 
most likely in their latest versions, because I installed cygwin just 
the other day.

How do you compile your application (ie the link command)?

Here's the link command line:
gcc  -g3 -Wall -O0   -o kildclient.exe   
-Wl,--export-dynamic -L/usr/X11R6/lib -L/opt/cxclient/usr/X11R6/lib 
-lglade-2.0 -lxml2 -lvte -lncurses -lSM -lICE -lXft -lfreetype -lz 
-lXrender -lXext -lX11 -lgtk-x11-2.0 -lfontconfig -lgdk-x11-2.0 
-latk-1.0 -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lm -lpangoxft-1.0 -lpangox-1.0 -lpango-1.0 
-lgobject-2.0 -lgmodule-2.0 -lglib-2.0 -lintl -liconv   -L/usr/local/lib 
/usr/lib/perl5/5.8.5/cygwin-thread-multi-64int/auto/DynaLoader/DynaLoader.a 
-L/usr/lib/perl5/5.8.5/cygwin-thread-multi-64int/CORE -lperl -lcrypt 
-lgdbm_compat -lintl

This command line is basically created in the configure script, using 
pkg-config to get the libraries for gtk+, glade, and vte with the 
following line:

PKG_CHECK_MODULES(KILDCLIENT, gtk+-2.0
 libglade-2.0 >= 2.4.0
 vte)
(But lather the libraries and linker flags for Perl are also added).
Looks ok.

Another function I used as a signal handler is gtk_widget_destroy, and 
the same thing happens: it is reported as not found.
Which is the exact error message?
You can check that the symbols are there with
$ nm /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.dll.a | grep '_gtk_widget_destroy'
 I __imp__gtk_widget_destroyed
 T _gtk_widget_destroyed
 I __imp__gtk_widget_destroy
 T _gtk_widget_destroy
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RE: Obscene content in cygwin file.

[Williams, Gerald S \(Jerry\)]

OK, anybody still reading this thread probably already knows how to
do this, but just in case, here's what you need to do to clean up
your fortune files (other than just deleting them):

First, make sure you have the tools you need and double-check that
the "offensive" files are in plaintext:

$ ls /usr/sbin/strfile
/usr/sbin/strfile
$ which tr
/usr/bin/tr
$ cd /usr/share/fortune
$ head -3 fortunes2-o limerick
==> fortunes2-o <==
Would you please have another look at my nose and put in that cocaine
stuff
-- Adolf Hitler, quoted by Dr. Giesing in Nuremberg
trial

==> limerick <==
A bad little girl in Madrid,
A most reprehensible kid,
Told her Tante Louise


Then to properly encode and mark the offensive files as such:

$ cd /usr/share/fortune
$ mv fortunes2-o fortunes2-o.orig
$ mv limerick limerick-o.orig
$ rm fortunes2-o.dat limerick.dat
$ tr A-Za-z N-ZA-Mn-za-m < fortunes2-o.orig > fortunes2-o
$ tr A-Za-z N-ZA-Mn-za-m < limerick-o.orig > limerick-o
$ /usr/sbin/strfile -x fortunes2-o
$ /usr/sbin/strfile -x limerick-o
$ rm fortunes2-o.orig limerick-o.orig


gsw


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Re: Obscene Content Tiebreaker

[Shankar Unni]

Cliff Hones wrote:
De dah dah de dah dah de dah
Sounds like the "world's filthiest limerick", which is apparently so 
potent that the bowdlerized version (further bowdlerized for spam 
filters :-) looks like

De dah dah de dah dah de dah
De dah dah de dah dah de dah
  De dah dah dah dah
  De dah dah dah dah
De dah dah de dah dah de f**k
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Re: "make all" and "make install" for smake

[THUFIR HAWAT]

since e-mails to joerg 

 just get bounced, I put the question to the cdrecord-support list, but it 
seems very low volume.
.


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Re: glade_xml_signal_autoconnect doesn't find functions, symbols not exported?

[Gerrit P. Haase]

Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
I'm porting I program I wrote under Linux to Windows using cygwin. It 
compiled without a single change, but when run, libglade's 
glade_xml_signal_autoconnect function did not find the signal handler 
functions, and issues errors like this:

libglade-WARNING **: could not find signal handler 'some_function'.
For the functions that were written by me, the solution was very simple: 
I added G_MODULE_EXPORT to the declarations, and this made them be 
correctly exported, so that libglade found them.

However, I use also as signal handlers a couple of functions from the 
gtk+ library, such as gtk_widget_hide_on_delete. This function is not 
found, and the handler is not connected. --export-dynamic is in the 
linker flags, I've verified that.

It seems that the functions in the gtk+ dll are not exported, but this 
seems very weird, so I guess I'm doing something wrong. Perhaps 
something more is needed under cygwin for that to work?

Thanks in advance,
gtk_widget_hide_on_delete is exported explicitly (at least in version
2.4.14 whioch is the latest available).
How do you compile your application (ie the link command)?
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cygwin installer/setup via commandline/scripts

[Satish Balay]

I'm looking for a way to do the following:

- When installing cygwin - tell it a list of packages to install
(perhaps from commandline or a script). Is this possible - without
going through the list in the setup.exe GUI?

- If cygwin is already installed - run some comand line tool/script -
which looks for missing cygwin packages - and grabs and installs them.

I'd appreciate any info on this topic.

Thanks,
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Re: fortune maintainer wanted and question for Corinna (was Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.)

[Mike]

On Fri, 07 Jan 2005, Peter A. Castro might have said:

> On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> 
> > On Jan  7 01:28, Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote:
> > > Right now I'm looking at the debian packages instead:
> > >   http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/fortune-mod
> > >   http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/fortunes-bofh-excuses
> > >
> > > which generate 5 packages: fortune-mod (the binaries),
> > > fortunes-min, fortunes, fortunes-off, and fortunes-bofh-excuses.
> > >
> > > If these look ok to me, do you see any problem with using them instead?
> > > (There are also a lot of non-English data files packages that I'm not
> > > going to mess with at the moment.)
> >
> > Personally I'd rather see only one fortune package.  Using the -o
> > plus rot13 technique should really do it.
> 
> I'm with Corinna here.  Fortune does not warrant 5 packages, or even 3.
> One package is sufficient.  ROT13 and mark the limericks with -o and move
> on.  Deviating from an already established convention for packaging a
> given program is just asking for trouble, and you're artificially making
> more work than is necessary.  K.I.S.S. !!

Since you must *ask* for the 'rude' version of fortune (fortune -o)
before you get any of the alleged offensive material, then what's the
problem?

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glade_xml_signal_autoconnect doesn't find functions, symbols not exported?

[Eduardo M KALINOWSKI]

I'm porting I program I wrote under Linux to Windows using cygwin. It 
compiled without a single change, but when run, libglade's 
glade_xml_signal_autoconnect function did not find the signal handler 
functions, and issues errors like this:

libglade-WARNING **: could not find signal handler 'some_function'.
For the functions that were written by me, the solution was very simple: 
I added G_MODULE_EXPORT to the declarations, and this made them be 
correctly exported, so that libglade found them.

However, I use also as signal handlers a couple of functions from the 
gtk+ library, such as gtk_widget_hide_on_delete. This function is not 
found, and the handler is not connected. --export-dynamic is in the 
linker flags, I've verified that.

It seems that the functions in the gtk+ dll are not exported, but this 
seems very weird, so I guess I'm doing something wrong. Perhaps 
something more is needed under cygwin for that to work?

Thanks in advance,
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Re: Cannot build 21.4.16 under cygwin (gcc 3.3.3)

[Vin Shelton]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Henry S. Thompson) writes:

>
> But of course then I'm stuck with other code that won't run because of
> the two-different-bases problem.
>
> Anyway, thanks _very_ much for your help, it sounds like the xemacs
> folks are really where this needs to be solved.  Point is, this is a
> regression -- xemacs-21.4.15 works OK (mind you, I haven't tried
> recompiling it with gcc-3.3.3).

Henry,

AFAIK, we didn't make any changes in 21.4.16 that would account for
this.  As an experiment, can you try to build 21.4.15 with gcc-3.3.3?
I would be surprised if that worked.

  - Vin Shelton
Release Mgr for Stable XEmacs Branch


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Re: Cannot build 21.4.16 under cygwin (gcc 3.3.3)

[Henry S. Thompson]

Jason Tishler writes:

> On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 02:02:20PM +, Henry S. Thompson wrote:
>> Jason Tishler writes:
>> > If you get any errors due to DLLs being in-use or read-only,
>> > then take the appropriate action and rerun rebaseall.
>> > Otherwise, you run the risk of fork() failing.
>> 
>> /sur/bin/cygncurses++6.dll: new base = 6f27, new sizeReBaseImage 
>> (/usr/bin/cygpcre-0.dll) failed with last error = 6
>> =4
>
> We have the following:
>
> $ fgrep 6L /usr/include/w32api/winerror.h | head -1
> #define ERROR_INVALID_HANDLE 6L
>
> A winerror 6 during rebasing usually means the file is open.
>
>> I reinstalled cygpcre, but it's not implicated in the xemacs pblm (I
>> don't think . . .)
>
> It's generally best to successfully rebase all of you DLLs.  I would try
> to resolve your cygpcre-0.dll issue.

I have done so, no improvement. . . 

>> > BTW, you may want to run rebaseall with the -v (i.e., verbose) flag
>> > to verify you haven't run out of address space.  For example, if
>> > some of your DLL are rebased to near 0x6100 or below, then you
>> > are likely to have problems.
>> 
>> I think that was all OK.
>
> The problem with "-v" is that error messages will scroll off the screen.
> I recommend catching the output and grep-ing through it to make sure all
> is really OK.

Understood, I did that.

>> Net result: xemacs-21.4.16 compiled with gcc-3.3.3 still crashes with
>> "couldn't reserve . . ."
>
> Maybe your problem is not related to rebasing?

Well, except that if I carefully rebase cygwin1.dll itself, then I
_can_ build xemacs. . .

But of course then I'm stuck with other code that won't run because of
the two-different-bases problem.

Anyway, thanks _very_ much for your help, it sounds like the xemacs
folks are really where this needs to be solved.  Point is, this is a
regression -- xemacs-21.4.15 works OK (mind you, I haven't tried
recompiling it with gcc-3.3.3).

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Similar problem

[James]

Hey... well I don't get the error message you're getting, but when my
installation hits 90% the progress bar goes right to the end then it stops and
just keeps using more memory until it uses it all then crashes.


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Re: fuser

[Larry Hall]

At 09:34 AM 1/7/2005, you wrote:
>I searched both the cygwin packages and gnu site for fuser but didn't find it. 
>Did I miss it or is it not there? If not are there any plans to port fuser to 
>cygwin?


No, it is not part of any current package, as a check of 
 shows.  As for whether there are plans to 
add 'fuser', that depends on whether someone out there has interest in 
contributing and maintaining it as a package.  If you have interest in
doing so or would like to find out more about this, please see
.



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Re: newbie question about using gcc in cygwin

[Larry Hall]

At 02:42 AM 1/7/2005, you wrote:
>Hi all:
> I want to know how to compile a program in cygwin using gcc.
> Here is my instance:
> 1>I install cygwin in c:/cygwin
> 2>I wrote a piece of code named test.c in E:/prog/test/test.c.
>  AND suppose the program just printf "hello".
>
> How can i compile and link my code using gcc ? Should i give 
>the absolute path of my program   (E:/prog/test/test.c.) when using gcc?
> And another problem is where the "hello " is printf? Is it in 
>the windows console or "cygwin console"(i don't know whether it is 
>appropriate name )?
>  Thank you for your patience.



These are actually more generally questions about how to use 'gcc', which 
you should be able to get from documentation about 'gcc'.  I'd suggest
.  Since these are really general 'gcc'
questions, they are really off-topic.  However, the question about where
the output will occur may be a grey area. ;-)  The "console" in Windows is
generally the window in which you can type commands.  The most well-known 
program of this kind is the "DOS box", called cmd.exe on NT-based 
platforms and command.com on 9x-based platforms.  The Cygwin shells, bash,
ash/sh, tcsh, zsh, etc run in a "DOS box".  But Cygwin programs can run in
a "DOS box" regardless of whether you're running a Cygwin shell.  So the 
output of "printf" goes to, by default, the "DOS box" that you're running the 
program from.



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Re: Cygwin installation problem

[Herbert Eppel]

On 07.01.2005 17:55 UK Time, Gerrit P. Haase wrote:
Herbert Eppel wrote:
I removed the burnatonce software and tried to reinstall Cygwin, but 
after 90% I get the same problem, i.e. I first get a warning message 
(see http://homepage.ntlworld.com/herb.eppel_new/temp/CygwinWarn1.jpg), 

This is no prblem and no error, just follow the hint displayed.
Yes, thanks, I know it is supposed to be just a warning, but the trouble 
is that it is immediately followed by the error/crash described, and 
contrary to the warning message rebooting doesn't help.


immediately followed by an error message (see 
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/herb.eppel_new/temp/CygwinErr1.jpg), 
after which CygwinSetup.exe crashes.

The package database is written to /etc/setup, do you have permisson on 
this directory?
I'm running the installation as myself, rather than administator, but I 
have the same rights as administrator (I'm the only one using this 
machine), and CygwinSetup.exe has already written more then 10 MB into 
C:\cygwin\etc when this happens. I can see 474 objects in 
C:\cygwin\etc\setup

Any more ideas?
Thank you.
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RE: f77 compiler

[Dave Korn]

> -Original Message-
> From: cygwin-owner On Behalf Of Dick Henry
> Sent: 07 January 2005 17:16

> In short, a program that works fine on my workstation gives different
> output on my laptop using the f77 compiler from cygwin. 

> I have no idea what's going on. 

  Nor does anyone else.  "Gives different output" is an entirely inadequate
description of the problem.  Are you doing floating point maths on systems with
different accuracy in the underlying hardware?  Is your code invoking undefined
or unspecified behaviour that would differ from system to system?  Do you place
huge variables on the stack and are suffering from the two systems having
different default stack sizes?  There are a million possibilities why the same
code might produce different output when compiled and run on two different
machines, but most of them are down to buggy code rather than buggy compilers.

>From a compiling standpoint, are there
> other qualifiers that I should be using?

  You mean, is there some secret flag such as "-fwork-correctly", without which
the cygwin f77 is deliberately supposed to produce garbage output?  Heh, come
on, is that even likely?

  "f77 --help -v >file.txt 2>&1" will produce a long file listing every single
option the compiler (and the rest of the toolchain) knows; search it for
"Options for Fortran" to find the fortran specific ones.  But the problem is
more likely in your code.

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RE: Obscene content in cygwin file.

[Dave Korn]

> -Original Message-
> From: cygwin-owner On Behalf Of Christopher Faylor
> Sent: 07 January 2005 14:52

> Business issues are not the point here, though.  My issue is that I
> grant others the right to be offended by the type of language we're
> talking about.  It is a given that there are many people in 
> our society
> who will be offended by it.  These people do not buy Playboy 
> or Hustler
> because they do not like what these magazines represent but 
> they aren't
> out picketing those establishments, either.  So, they are 
> following the "Just don't look at it then!" scenario.

  That unfortunately is not true.  In this country we've just had a theatre play
shut down by threats of violence from one group of religious bigots, and there
is currently an ongoing pressure campaign from another group of religious bigots
to try and pressure the BBC into pulling an as-yet unscreened program on the
grounds that if it was screened and if they did happen to watch it they might be
offended.

  Of course, if they're forewarned enough to know that they might find this
program offensive, they're perfectly well forewarned enough to not end up
watching it by accident, but that's not good enough for them, and the reason why
it's not good enough for them is that the potential offence they might suffer is
a mere pretext, and their real concern is to try and compel everyone else to be
like they are by controlling what we may see and hear in an effort to control
how we think.  It's coercive evangelism.  Forcible recruitment.  Religious
pressganging.  Blackmail, brainwashing and mind control.

  So no, I'm no longer prepared to automatically extend to people the right to
take offence at what I say or do, since they regularly abuse that right in an
attempt to - well, basically, to enslave others and rule over their minds.  It's
insanity to hand every single religious crank with an agenda to push an absolute
veto over anything and everything you might ever want to do or say.

  I do not believe people have the right to jump up and voluntarily *choose* to
be offended by things that are perfectly reasonable to all those who are
actually involved or affected.  They *are* going into newsagents, pulling
Playboy off the shelves, opening it up, reading it (probably hypocritically
enjoying it too), and then whining about how offended they are and demanding
that the entire world be made conform to their personal tastes and beliefs.
It's in this way that solipsism turns into dictatorial oppression.


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RE: Obscene content in cygwin file.

[Dave Korn]

> -Original Message-
> From: cygwin-owner On Behalf Of Raye Raskin
> Sent: 07 January 2005 17:23

> Hey, Christopher, if you want to see something *really* offensive,
> just take a look at this:
> 
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> This e-mail transmission is strictly [CENSORED]


  Oh, horror, horror, oh why oh why why?  Will no-one think of teh poor lickul
childern?


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Re: fortune maintainer wanted and question for Corinna (was Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.)

[Peter A. Castro]

On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Corinna Vinschen wrote:

> On Jan  7 01:28, Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote:
> > Right now I'm looking at the debian packages instead:
> >   http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/fortune-mod
> >   http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/fortunes-bofh-excuses
> >
> > which generate 5 packages: fortune-mod (the binaries),
> > fortunes-min, fortunes, fortunes-off, and fortunes-bofh-excuses.
> >
> > If these look ok to me, do you see any problem with using them instead?
> > (There are also a lot of non-English data files packages that I'm not
> > going to mess with at the moment.)
>
> Personally I'd rather see only one fortune package.  Using the -o
> plus rot13 technique should really do it.

I'm with Corinna here.  Fortune does not warrant 5 packages, or even 3.
One package is sufficient.  ROT13 and mark the limericks with -o and move
on.  Deviating from an already established convention for packaging a
given program is just asking for trouble, and you're artificially making
more work than is necessary.  K.I.S.S. !!

> Corinna

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Re: Cygwin installation problem

[Gerrit P. Haase]

Herbert Eppel wrote:
I removed the burnatonce software and tried to reinstall Cygwin, but 
after 90% I get the same problem, i.e. I first get a warning message 
(see http://homepage.ntlworld.com/herb.eppel_new/temp/CygwinWarn1.jpg), 
This is no prblem and no error, just follow the hint displayed.
immediately followed by an error message (see 
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/herb.eppel_new/temp/CygwinErr1.jpg), after 
which CygwinSetup.exe crashes.
The package database is written to /etc/setup, do you have permisson on 
this directory?


I have to admit that I didn't actually uninstall the previous failed 
installation of Cygwin as recommended by Larry Hall (with link to 
http://cygwin.com/faq/faq_toc.html#TOC19). Presumably that's what I have 
to actually do befor the installation can complete successfully?

Is there anything else I should be aware of at this stage?
Gerrit
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Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.

[Raye Raskin]

Expletive deleted.
Well, thanks!  That is in perfect keeping with the rest of this thread.
Just imagine the consequences if you hadn't deleted that expletive.  We'd
have another long thread about whether the cygwin mailing list should be
censored.
And then, of course, there's the children.
;-)
Hey, Christopher, if you want to see something *really* offensive,
just take a look at this:
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f77 compiler

[Dick Henry]

Hi-

I recently installed cygwin and have been testing various facets of it,
namely the tasks that I usually perform on my sun workstation. All seems
to work fine except I am having trouble with the fortran compiler.

In short, a program that works fine on my workstation gives different
output on my laptop using the f77 compiler from cygwin. The compiling
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f77 -ffixed-line-length-none open.f -o open

This compiles the program open.f and generates open.exe. I receive no
error messages. Numerous lines in the program are longer than 80 spaces,
hence the -ffixed--- qualifier.

I have no idea what's going on. From a compiling standpoint, are there
other qualifiers that I should be using?

FYI, on my workstation I compile using:

f77 -e open.f -o open

Thanks very much.

Dick Henry
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Re: Cygwin and the GPL

[Christopher Faylor]

On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 08:39:40AM -0800, Rob Rhoads wrote:
>We would like to port our BSD licensed Open Source software from
>straight Windows to the CyCygwinnvironment, such that we are no longer
>using the Microsoft compiler tools and instead using the gcgccnd the
>CyCygwinibraries.
>
>Would this contaminate our project with the GPGPLWe would like to
>continue to release our software under a BSD license.
>
>Our Open Source project can be found at wiTianoCorerorg

The cygwin-licensing mailing list is the place for these types of questions.
Please use this list.

Thanks you.

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Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.

[Francis Litterio]

Gary R. Van Sickle wrote:

> Good thing I didn't install it at work, and that I don't work at a Megacorp
> that has whole departments devoted to rooting through peoples' files looking
> for reasons to fire them.

IMHO, this is the single best reason for obfuscating the profanity with
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Cygwin and the GPL

[Rob Rhoads]

We would like to port our BSD licensed Open Source
software from straight Windows to the
CyCygwinnvironment, such that we are no longer using
the Microsoft compiler tools and instead using the
gcgccnd the CyCygwinibraries.

Would this contaminate our project with the GPGPLWe
would like to continue to release our software under a
BSD license.

Our Open Source project can be found at
wiTianoCorerorg

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Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.

[Andrew DeFaria]

Terry Dabbs wrote:
I worked at a division headquarters of large company, where we had 
hundreds of people who would log into their email account on the VAX. 
When logging in you would see a message of the day. The guy 
administering this got tired of the same old boring messages and 
started rotating in messages very much like the ones in the limerick 
file. The first couple were only slightly off-color, and actually got 
positive responses. Then the third, and last one, had to do with a guy 
in Nantucket who had some unusual practices. The effect this had in 
the local work place was fun to watch, having the computer pipe that 
stuff on the screen was about as imaginable as Bush saying it on TV, 
and created quite a stir. The end result was not so much fun, the 
employee was severly reprimanded (Andrew wouldn't work there...) and 
was weeded out in the first layoff (I wonder why...). 
Not even close in comparison. I said that I wouldn't work for a company 
where somebody snooped onto my machine and found something offensive 
(IOW he was actively looking for it in a place that he should be). 
That's vastly different than me thrusting it upon unsuspecting eyes as 
the above states.
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Re: Obscene Content Tiebreaker

[Daniel B.]

William R. Knox wrote:
...
If you don't like the fortunes, don't install them. 
Unfortunately, that argument (or admonition) doesn't quite hold water:
* It requires recognizing that the fortune package is part of what
  you're installing.  That doesn't happen if you select to install
  all of CygWin or even just one whole section.
  (One might simply install all of CygWin, so that when you hear of
  some useful command you can try it without having to first cycle
  through the whole installer program sequence.)
* It requires finding out that you don't like the fortunes.  If
  the package description doesn't say something about the jokes
  that are offensive (to some people), you won't know you don't
  like the fortunes until you see them.
Hey, too bad there's not a universal offensiveness rating system
(multidimensional, maybe like the geek code?) to characterize
things plus a universal way to mark separable components that can
be cut out.  You specify your preferred level of "non-offensiveness"
and applications like the CygWin installer and browsers consult
your preferences.  If you don't like offensive jokes, the CygWin
installer automatically excises marked parts of the fortunes file
(or parts of the CygWin distribution (e.g., fortunes-xxx)).  Hey, it
would be like the way browsers pass on language and locale preferences
from the OS/user environment!
Okay, pie in the sky...
(Hey, what about PICS?)
Daniel
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RE: Obscene content in cygwin file.

[Terry Dabbs]

I have an incident from the early 90s that is very close to this
discussion:
I worked at a division headquarters of large company, where we had
hundreds of people who would log into their email account on the VAX.
When logging in you would see a message of the day. The guy
administering this got tired of the same old boring messages and started
rotating in messages very much like the ones in the limerick file. The
first couple were only slightly off-color, and actually got positive
responses. Then the third, and last one, had to do with a guy in
Nantucket who had some unusual practices. The effect this had in the
local work place was fun to watch, having the computer pipe that stuff
on the screen was about as imaginable as Bush saying it on TV, and
created quite a stir. The end result was not so much fun, the employee
was severly reprimanded (Andrew wouldn't work there...) and was weeded
out in the first layoff (I wonder why...). I don't know if this was a
related package, but the guy said he read the first one, and assumed the
others were no worse. There was a lot of comment about this, but other
than the general opinion the guy was a moron (he wasn't, just young),
the overall consensus was "who in the hell would provide a software
package where such a thing is possible?". You can be sure that some
scrutiny as to the supplier occurred.
I am fairly sure my vote won't count. But, we need to protect the
children, and from reading this thread, the ones that need protecting
subscribe to this list. Choices are fine, and maybe immature sysadmins
deserve what they get, but the folks that think nothing is wrong with it
do not need a temtation like this to show how cool they are.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Christopher Faylor
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 8:52 AM
To: cygwin@cygwin.com
Subject: Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.

On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 01:22:32AM -0500, Brian Bruns wrote:
>>
>> Personally, I thought that them doing this was a sign of a more 
>> innocent time, where we didn't have to worry about every single word 
>> that came out of our mouth (or keyboard).
>>
>> Seriously guy, your type is one of the primary reasons why the 
>> internet is getting - its not quite there yet, but getting - to be 
>> *no fun*.
>> It was built on freedom and free-thinking, and the very fact that 
>> this conversation is taking place is a testimony to how bitter it has

>> become.
>>
>
>I tend to agree with you on that.  I was on the internet since the 
>middle 90s, and even then, you could start to see new people/businesses

>forcing their own views on the rest of the Internet, that had been 
>there long before them, and continue to be there long after they are 
>bankrupt/dead/gone/kaput.

I've been reading usenet since the early 80's and I find the notion that
this kind of discussion is a recent phenomenon sort of amusing.

This is *exactly* the type of fodder that has driven Usenet discussions
for years.  We do get the added spin of workplace lawsuites, yadda
yadda, but that just adds more fuel to what would have been a very
nicely burning flame.

If Cygwin was a true business enterprise, this would be a no-brainer.
We'd remove the content.  The reason wouldn't be because we are cravenly
caving to the PC majority.  The reason would be that it might offend a
customer who would take their business elsewhere.  You can't have that
unless you are in a position of not caring about losing a few customers.
Not many businesses are in that position.

Business issues are not the point here, though.  My issue is that I
grant others the right to be offended by the type of language we're
talking about.  It is a given that there are many people in our society
who will be offended by it.  These people do not buy Playboy or Hustler
because they do not like what these magazines represent but they aren't
out picketing those establishments, either.  So, they are following the
"Just don't look at it then!" scenario.

We do not offer these people the same choice with Cygwin.  When they
innocently download fortune means that they are using hard drives to
house unencrypted content that they consider objectionable.  That is not
fair to them.

cgf

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Re: "make all" and "make install" for smake

[Reini Urban]

THUFIR HAWAT schrieb:
as per 
Please ask further questions about a program not supported by cygwin at 
the right place.
Jörg Schilling suggests using [EMAIL PROTECTED] therefore.

$ pwd
/home/Administrator/smake-1.2
$ make all
NOTICE: Using bootstrap 'Makefile' to make 'all'
cd psmake && sh ./MAKE-all
Checking for working bootstrap make...
Smake release 1.2a23 (i686-pc-cygwin) Copyright (C) 1985, 87, 88, 91, 
1995-2004 Jörg Schilling
./psmake/smake all
	==> MAKING "all" ON SUBDIRECTORY "SRCROOT/conf"
	==> MAKING "all" ON SUBDIRECTORY "SRCROOT/inc"
	==> MAKING "all" ON SUBCOMPONENT "SRCROOT/inc/align_test.mk"
	==> MAKING "all" ON SUBCOMPONENT "SRCROOT/inc/avoffset.mk"
	==> MAKING "all" ON SUBDIRECTORY "SRCROOT/lib"
	==> MAKING "all" ON SUBCOMPONENT "SRCROOT/lib/libschily.mk"
	==> MAKING "all" ON SUBDIRECTORY "SRCROOT/smake"
	==> MAKING "all" ON SUBDIRECTORY "SRCROOT/man"
	==> MAKING "all" ON SUBDIRECTORY "SRCROOT/man/man4"
	==> MAKING "all" ON SUBCOMPONENT "SRCROOT/man/man4/makefiles.mk"
	==> MAKING "all" ON SUBCOMPONENT "SRCROOT/man/man4/makerules.mk"

$ make install
make: `install' is up to date.
$ smake
bash:  smake:  command not found
"make all" and "make install" suceeded, so why isn't smake a command now?
tried deleting the INSTALL file, but had the same results.
$ less BUILD
---
To install the product of a compilation in your system, call:
smake install
at top level. The binaries will usually be installed in
/opt/schily/bin. The directory /opt// has been agreed
on by all major UNIX vendors in 1989. Unfortunately, still not all
vendors follow this agreement.
If you want to change the default installation directory, edit the
appropriate (system dependent) files in the DEFAULTS directory
(e.g. DEFAULTS/Defaults.sunos5).
---
Now you have to turn on your own brain, and probably you will come to 
the idea that you might want to add /opt/schily/bin to your PATH.
This helps if you want to your shell to find "smake", otherwise you have 
to use "/opt/schily/bin/smake".

Back to the make install problem, though this is a schilling problem not 
ours:

> $ make install
> make: `install' is up to date.
There is a bug in the Makefile. Ask Schilling.
psmake/smake install should work, but this seems to be buggy also.
$ psmake/smake install
==> MAKING "install" ON SUBDIRECTORY "SRCROOT/conf"
install: nothing to make
==> MAKING "install" ON SUBDIRECTORY "SRCROOT/inc"
==> MAKING "install" ON SUBCOMPONENT "SRCROOT/inc/align_test.mk"
==> MAKING DIRECTORY "/opt/schily/include"
==> INSTALLING "/opt/schily/include/align.h"
chown: "bin": ung"ultiger Benutzer
/usr/src/gnu/smake-1.2/smake/OBJ/i686-cygwin32_nt-gcc/smake: Couldn't 
make 'install'.
/usr/src/gnu/smake-1.2/smake/OBJ/i686-cygwin32_nt-gcc/smake: Couldn't 
make 'install'.
smake/OBJ/i686-cygwin32_nt-gcc/smake: Couldn't make 'install'.

BTW:
I like the idea to have a automake-like framework in a single smake 
executable. But first it should work, and 2nd it should not leave random 
Dnull files in the system.
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Re: fortune maintainer wanted and question for Corinna (was Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.)

[Christopher Faylor]

On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 12:40:35PM +0100, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
>On Jan  7 01:28, Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote:
>> Right now I'm looking at the debian packages instead:
>>   http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/fortune-mod
>>   http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/fortunes-bofh-excuses
>> 
>> which generate 5 packages: fortune-mod (the binaries),
>> fortunes-min, fortunes, fortunes-off, and fortunes-bofh-excuses.
>> 
>> If these look ok to me, do you see any problem with using them instead?
>> (There are also a lot of non-English data files packages that I'm not
>> going to mess with at the moment.)
>
>Personally I'd rather see only one fortune package.  Using the -o
>plus rot13 technique should really do it.

FWIW, if you are planning on maintaining the package I would just defer
to your judgement on whatever you think is best.

Just, whatever you do, remember the children.

cgf

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Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.

[Reini Urban]

Kal Dee schrieb:
Not sure if the highly obscene limericks (/usr/share/fortune/limerick)
are meant to be in the cygwin distro...
phpwiki optionally uses fortune to fill in fresh pages with some stupid 
quotes. nobody ever so far complained about those limericks.

phpwiki pages are publicly accessable and google loves them,
in contrast to private cygwin login banners with fortune enabled.
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Re: fortune maintainer wanted and question for Corinna (was Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.)

[Chuck]

Andrew DeFaria wrote:
Yeah, it does. For the first time in history, there are now two 
lawyers for every human on the planet. Lawyers subsist almost entirely 
on a diet of lawsuits. 

Funny, I thought they ate food like the rest of us...
Actually, when you think about it, it's impossible for that statement to 
be true! If you have 6 billion people on the Earth and they state you 
have 2 lawyers for every human, you'd need 12 billion lawyers, which 
would increase the population of the Earth to 18 billion, necessitating 
36 billion additional lawyers, and so on ;-)
You're assuming lawyers are human. ;-)
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Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.

[Christopher Faylor]

On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 12:25:42PM +0100, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
>NB: Did anybody read "Fahrenheit 451" from Ray Bradbury?  It's not about
>jokes in the first place, but somehow this discussion reminds me
>of the book in a fatal way.

I read the book but I don't remember it too well.  I've never been too
impressed with Ray Bradbury as a writer, though.

Somehow, I don't think the book was about people insisting on the right
to store their books in your house where you might happen to trip over
them and see things that you don't agree with.

As I've said, this isn't about political correctness to me.  It's about
people's right to be offended and our responsibility not to unduly
surprise anyone.  I don't mind surprising people when there is a good
technical argument for it.  I don't think that cygwin's goal should be
to desensitize people to what is generally agreed to be bad language.

Maybe it's a slippery slope.  Maybe if this was a bunch of Hindus
complaining that fortune contained jokes about cows I would feel
differently.  I just don't think it is a good idea to surprise an
innocent person who is taking a casual stroll through
/usr/share/fortune.

cgf

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mail list search engine on fritz this am

[Dick Repasky]

Hi,
The cygwin mailing list search engine (http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/) seems
to be on the fritz this morning.  Thought you'd want to know if you didn't 
know already, and I figured that the mailing address listed on the 
Internal Error page (sourceware.org) wouldn't get results.

The error occured at the time of the timestamp on this message.
Thanks,
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Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.

[Christopher Faylor]

On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 01:22:32AM -0500, Brian Bruns wrote:
>>
>> Personally, I thought that them doing this was a sign of a more
>> innocent time, where we didn't have to worry about every single
>> word that came out of our mouth (or keyboard).
>>
>> Seriously guy, your type is one of the primary reasons why the
>> internet is getting - its not quite there yet, but getting - to be
>> *no fun*.
>> It was built on freedom and free-thinking, and the very fact that
>> this conversation is taking place is a testimony to how bitter it
>> has become.
>>
>
>I tend to agree with you on that.  I was on the internet since the
>middle 90s, and even then, you could start to see new
>people/businesses forcing their own views on the rest of the Internet,
>that had been there long before them, and continue to be there long
>after they are bankrupt/dead/gone/kaput.

I've been reading usenet since the early 80's and I find the notion that
this kind of discussion is a recent phenomenon sort of amusing.

This is *exactly* the type of fodder that has driven Usenet discussions
for years.  We do get the added spin of workplace lawsuites, yadda
yadda, but that just adds more fuel to what would have been a very
nicely burning flame.

If Cygwin was a true business enterprise, this would be a no-brainer.
We'd remove the content.  The reason wouldn't be because we are cravenly
caving to the PC majority.  The reason would be that it might offend a
customer who would take their business elsewhere.  You can't have that
unless you are in a position of not caring about losing a few customers.
Not many businesses are in that position.

Business issues are not the point here, though.  My issue is that I
grant others the right to be offended by the type of language we're
talking about.  It is a given that there are many people in our society
who will be offended by it.  These people do not buy Playboy or Hustler
because they do not like what these magazines represent but they aren't
out picketing those establishments, either.  So, they are following the
"Just don't look at it then!" scenario.

We do not offer these people the same choice with Cygwin.  When they
innocently download fortune means that they are using hard drives to
house unencrypted content that they consider objectionable.  That is not
fair to them.

cgf

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Cygwin installation problem

[Herbert Eppel]

Hello,
I'm trying to install Cygwin on my Windows 2000 computer, but I have a 
problem ("Can't open database for writing" etc.).

I had a look in the archive and saw that the problem has been discussed 
several times. The message that appears to be most relevant to my 
situation appears to be Larry Hall's message of 27 November 
(http://sources.redhat.com/ml/cygwin/2004-11/msg0.html).

I'm not sure how to send an actual mail reply to that message, but since 
 Larry said "This list would, however, be interested in
knowing who this third party is and where you found the software
that uses the Cygwin DLL" I can report that in my case I found that it 
was a free CD burning software called "burnatonce" (see 
http://www.burnatonce.com) that used an older (and much smaller) version 
of the dll file.

I removed the burnatonce software and tried to reinstall Cygwin, but 
after 90% I get the same problem, i.e. I first get a warning message 
(see http://homepage.ntlworld.com/herb.eppel_new/temp/CygwinWarn1.jpg), 
immediately followed by an error message (see 
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/herb.eppel_new/temp/CygwinErr1.jpg), after 
which CygwinSetup.exe crashes.

I have to admit that I didn't actually uninstall the previous failed 
installation of Cygwin as recommended by Larry Hall (with link to 
http://cygwin.com/faq/faq_toc.html#TOC19). Presumably that's what I have 
to actually do befor the installation can complete successfully?

Is there anything else I should be aware of at this stage?
Thank you.
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Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.

[Christopher Faylor]

On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 10:04:49PM -0800, Raye Raskin wrote:
>Expletive deleted.

Well, thanks!  That is in perfect keeping with the rest of this thread.

Just imagine the consequences if you hadn't deleted that expletive.  We'd
have another long thread about whether the cygwin mailing list should be
censored.

And then, of course, there's the children.

cgf

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fuser

[Chuck]

I searched both the cygwin packages and gnu site for fuser but didn't 
find it. Did I miss it or is it not there? If not are there any plans to 
port fuser to cygwin?

TIA
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RE: Obscene content in cygwin file.

[Williams, Gerald S \(Jerry\)]

>   [ ] Offended.  Think about the children!
>   [ ] Not offended.  Stop bothering me with your Puritanical values.
>   [ ] Don't care.  Can we go back to talking about how 
> negative this list is now?
>   [x] Not offended.  Clean it up anyway.  It's unprofessional 
> in the extreme and can only result in embarrassment and trouble.

Definitely rot13 them and make them -o.

I'd rather fortune was kept as a complete package rather than using
a separate package for the offensive stuff. If you want to create
another package with just tame stuff, that's OK. Maybe it should be
called enutrof. Or sbeghar. :-)

Make sure you rot13 fortune2-o while you're at it. It's currently
in plaintext, even though you need to specify -o or -a to add it
to the fortune list. I just rot13'd fortune2-o and limerick (i.e.,
limerick-o) on my work machine. I can't afford to have stuff like
that lying around for corporate snoops to find.

gsw


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newbie question about using gcc in cygwin

[Emerson]

Hi all:
 I want to know how to compile a program in cygwin using gcc.
 Here is my instance:
 1>I install cygwin in c:/cygwin
 2>I wrote a piece of code named test.c in E:/prog/test/test.c.
  AND suppose the program just printf "hello".

 How can i compile and link my code using gcc ? Should i give 
the absolute path of my program   (E:/prog/test/test.c.) when using gcc?
 And another problem is where the "hello " is printf? Is it in 
the windows console or "cygwin console"(i don't know whether it is 
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Question about pthread_key_create

[Johnny Willemsen]

Hi all,

A question, I had a look at the implementation of pthread_key_create. When
an invalid key is passed, a EBUSY is returned. This looks very strange to
me, isn't it better to return EINVAL just as the pthread_key_delete does?
Also, shouldn't be the check be 
  if (!pthread_key::is_good_object (key))
return EINVAL;

Note the !, when previously a good key was passed, we got back a EBUSY. 

Regards,

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extern "C" int
pthread_key_create (pthread_key_t *key, void (*destructor) (void *))
{
  /* The opengroup docs don't define if we should check this or not,
 but creation is relatively rare.  */
  if (pthread_key::is_good_object (key))
return EBUSY;

  *key = new pthread_key (destructor);

  if (!pthread_key::is_good_object (key))
{
  delete (*key);
  *key = NULL;
  return EAGAIN;
}
  return 0;
}

extern "C" int
pthread_key_delete (pthread_key_t key)
{
  if (!pthread_key::is_good_object (&key))
return EINVAL;

  delete (key);
  return 0;
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RE: Obscene content in cygwin file.

[Dave Korn]

> -Original Message-
> From: cygwin-owner On Behalf Of Corinna Vinschen
> Sent: 07 January 2005 11:44
> To: cygwin; cygwin-talk
> Subject: Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.
> 
> On Jan  7 06:35, Zachary Uram wrote:
> > Argh please enough with the pedantic and infantile America/American
> > bashing. It's disgusting. Everyone act like mature adults PLEASE!
> 
> The whole discussion isn't exactly mature.  Time to move the discussion
> to cygwin-talk, I guess.  I've set the Reply-To accordingly.
> 
> 
> Corinna


  I'm gonna need a whole *flock* of chickens for this one.

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Re: "make all" and "make install" for smake

[Gerrit P. Haase]

THUFIR HAWAT wrote:
ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/smake/
I *think* it's the same.  the context is star and cdrTools.
with regards to directories, ls / gives:
bin cygwin.bat cygwin.ico etc home lib tmp usr var
should I get packages from cygwin.com ?
No.  Just try to figure out what the smake Makefile is really doing,
Schilling is kind of 'special' in any regard;)
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RE: EFS encrypted files & ssh

[Chris January]

> Is it normal that during an SSH connection EFS-encrypted 
> files are not 
> accessible?
> Is it for the way the SSH token autentication is made?
Yes, it probably is.

I belive the user's private EFS is encrypted using their password hash. If
the SSH token was generated without using a password (e.g. because you are
using RSA authenitcation) then the EFS key can't be decrypted and used.

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Re: Cannot build 21.4.16 under cygwin (gcc 3.3.3)

[Jason Tishler]

Henry,

On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 02:02:20PM +, Henry S. Thompson wrote:
> Jason Tishler writes:
> > If you get any errors due to DLLs being in-use or read-only,
> > then take the appropriate action and rerun rebaseall.
> > Otherwise, you run the risk of fork() failing.
> 
> /sur/bin/cygncurses++6.dll: new base = 6f27, new sizeReBaseImage 
> (/usr/bin/cygpcre-0.dll) failed with last error = 6
> =4

We have the following:

$ fgrep 6L /usr/include/w32api/winerror.h | head -1
#define ERROR_INVALID_HANDLE 6L

A winerror 6 during rebasing usually means the file is open.

> I reinstalled cygpcre, but it's not implicated in the xemacs pblm (I
> don't think . . .)

It's generally best to successfully rebase all of you DLLs.  I would try
to resolve your cygpcre-0.dll issue.

> > BTW, you may want to run rebaseall with the -v (i.e., verbose) flag
> > to verify you haven't run out of address space.  For example, if
> > some of your DLL are rebased to near 0x6100 or below, then you
> > are likely to have problems.
> 
> I think that was all OK.

The problem with "-v" is that error messages will scroll off the screen.
I recommend catching the output and grep-ing through it to make sure all
is really OK.

> Net result: xemacs-21.4.16 compiled with gcc-3.3.3 still crashes with
> "couldn't reserve . . ."

Maybe your problem is not related to rebasing?

Jason

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Re: "make all" and "make install" for smake

[THUFIR HAWAT]

ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/smake/

I *think* it's the same.  the context is star and cdrTools.


with regards to directories, ls / gives:

bin cygwin.bat cygwin.ico etc home lib tmp usr var


should I get packages from cygwin.com ?

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Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.

[Corinna Vinschen]

On Jan  7 06:35, Zachary Uram wrote:
> Argh please enough with the pedantic and infantile America/American
> bashing. It's disgusting. Everyone act like mature adults PLEASE!

The whole discussion isn't exactly mature.  Time to move the discussion
to cygwin-talk, I guess.  I've set the Reply-To accordingly.


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Re: fortune maintainer wanted and question for Corinna (was Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.)

[Corinna Vinschen]

On Jan  7 01:28, Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote:
> Right now I'm looking at the debian packages instead:
>   http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/fortune-mod
>   http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/fortunes-bofh-excuses
> 
> which generate 5 packages: fortune-mod (the binaries),
> fortunes-min, fortunes, fortunes-off, and fortunes-bofh-excuses.
> 
> If these look ok to me, do you see any problem with using them instead?
> (There are also a lot of non-English data files packages that I'm not
> going to mess with at the moment.)

Personally I'd rather see only one fortune package.  Using the -o
plus rot13 technique should really do it.

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Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.

[Jon A. Lambert]

Brian Bruns wrote:
As grown adults, who are capable of making our own decisions, we need
to not let our religious views, or personal views for that matter,
impede on others who have their own views.  
How dare you try to force that point of view on us!  
That's moral recusrion.



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RE: Obscene content in cygwin file.

[Hughes, Bill]

Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> 
> NB: Did anybody read "Fahrenheit 451" from Ray Bradbury?
> It's not about
> jokes in the first place, but somehow this discussion reminds me
> of the book in a fatal way.

Me too, it also reminds me of Kurt Vonnegut's "Harrison Bergeron".

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Re: Change login message

[Corinna Vinschen]

On Jan  7 17:17, bella wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> When telnet to Cygwin server, it displayed
> 
> CYGWIN_NT-5.0 (0.51/3/2)
> login:
> 
> Can I change the above login message ? How ?

Not that I'm aware of.

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Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.

[Zachary Uram]

Argh please enough with the pedantic and infantile America/American
bashing. It's disgusting. Everyone act like mature adults PLEASE!

Zach


On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:29:03 +0100, Corinna Vinschen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jan  6 21:18, Charles Wilson wrote:
> > Christopher Faylor wrote:
> >
> > >How do you feel about the off-color content in the cygwin fortune files?
> > >
> > >  [ ] Offended.  Think about the children!
> > >  [ ] Not offended.  Stop bothering me with your Puritanical values.
> > >  [ ] Don't care.  Can we go back to talking about how negative this list
> > >  is now?
> >
> >  [ ] Not offended but still don't think it should be in the distro.
> > Think about the children!  And the liability!
> 
> Cygwin isn't for children anyway.  They might get interested in looking
> into the free world of open software.  That's Un-American.
> 
> We should put a sticker on the home page:
> 
>   May contain explicit content.
>   May contain nuts.
> 
> 
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Re: EFS encrypted files & ssh

[Corinna Vinschen]

On Jan  6 14:10, Lapo Luchini wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Is it normal that during an SSH connection EFS-encrypted files are not
> accessible?
> Is it for the way the SSH token autentication is made?

I'm sorry, Lapo, but I have no idea what you're taking about.

-v please.  The fact that I'm maintaining OpenSSH and OpenSSL for Cygwin
does *not* make me a cryptographic or encryption expert.


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Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.

[Geoffrey KRETZ]

The political correctness brainwashing machine has done its job
quite well, AFAICS.
Well, let's face it, I'm a woman.  I'm by definition one of the
disadvantaged groups of the society.  The joke is this, I'm not
at all offended by offensive jokes.  I don't have to laugh if I
don't like the joke, but I laugh also about jokes which are
so-called offensive.  So what?  As I wrote in another mail, 99%
of the jokes are in a way directed against anybody. 

And here's a couple of question:
 Where is the border between a "non-offensive" joke and an
 "offensive" joke?
 Who defines the border?
 If 80% of the worlds population is offended by a joke, is it
 an offensive joke?
 If 20% of the worlds population is offended by a joke, is it
 an offensive joke?
 If any one person on the world is offended by a joke, is it
 an offensive joke?
 If any joke can offend any one person on the world, are all
 jokes offensive?
 Should we forbid to tell jokes, so that the danger that anybody
 could perhaps be offended, is zero?
 Should we arrest joke tellers?
 Should we burn all existing books which contain jokes?
Do you get the message?
Corinna
NB: Did anybody read "Fahrenheit 451" from Ray Bradbury?  It's not about
   jokes in the first place, but somehow this discussion reminds me
   of the book in a fatal way
 

I've follow with interest this talk about an obscene content in cygwin 
file and I agree 100 % with Corinna.

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Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.

[Corinna Vinschen]

On Jan  6 21:18, Charles Wilson wrote:
> Christopher Faylor wrote:
> 
> >How do you feel about the off-color content in the cygwin fortune files?
> >
> >  [ ] Offended.  Think about the children!
> >  [ ] Not offended.  Stop bothering me with your Puritanical values.
> >  [ ] Don't care.  Can we go back to talking about how negative this list 
> >  is now?
> 
>  [ ] Not offended but still don't think it should be in the distro. 
> Think about the children!  And the liability!

Cygwin isn't for children anyway.  They might get interested in looking
into the free world of open software.  That's Un-American.

We should put a sticker on the home page:

  May contain explicit content.
  May contain nuts.


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Re: Obscene content in cygwin file.

[Corinna Vinschen]

On Jan  6 20:03, Gary R. Van Sickle wrote:
> Ah jeez deFaria:
> > As an atheist I always wonder why christians can "turn the 
> > other cheek" 
> > but cannot seem to muster how to turn their eyes away!
> 
> As a thinking man, I always wonder why atheists:
> 
> 1.  Hate Christianity, yet harbor no such hatred towards all the other
> religions.
> 2.  Would squeal bloody murder if fortune spit out Bible verses, yet are
> *proponents* of having it spit out outrageously profane limericks which are
> offensive to Christians, Jews, Muslims, Atheists, Men, Women, Children,
> Mothers, Fathers, Bosses, Frenchmen, and all breeds of dog in between.

The political correctness brainwashing machine has done its job
quite well, AFAICS.

Well, let's face it, I'm a woman.  I'm by definition one of the
disadvantaged groups of the society.  The joke is this, I'm not
at all offended by offensive jokes.  I don't have to laugh if I
don't like the joke, but I laugh also about jokes which are
so-called offensive.  So what?  As I wrote in another mail, 99%
of the jokes are in a way directed against anybody. 

And here's a couple of question:

  Where is the border between a "non-offensive" joke and an
  "offensive" joke?

  Who defines the border?

  If 80% of the worlds population is offended by a joke, is it
  an offensive joke?

  If 20% of the worlds population is offended by a joke, is it
  an offensive joke?

  If any one person on the world is offended by a joke, is it
  an offensive joke?

  If any joke can offend any one person on the world, are all
  jokes offensive?

  Should we forbid to tell jokes, so that the danger that anybody
  could perhaps be offended, is zero?

  Should we arrest joke tellers?

  Should we burn all existing books which contain jokes?


Do you get the message?


Corinna


NB: Did anybody read "Fahrenheit 451" from Ray Bradbury?  It's not about
jokes in the first place, but somehow this discussion reminds me
of the book in a fatal way.


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cygwin vx linux: output differences

[Yves Krähenbühl - MTD]

Same programme compiled under Cygwin writes output which differs form its
LINUX-compiled version


I apologise in advance if the question is too trivial but I am a simple user
and not a programmer.
I have written a small FORTRAN programme (see attachment) which reads and
writes numbers in a
file:

Starting form the file toto.dat:
1
2
3
4
5
6

Under LINUX the programme re-writes the number 6 on the second line, and the
resulting toto.dat file is:
1
6

whereas under CYGWIN (cygwin-1.5.4-1 from 17.09.2003) the number 6 is
written after lhe last line and one gets the following toto.dat:
1
2
3
4
5
6
6

Can someone tell me how to avoid that problem under CYGWIN ?

Thank you in advance

Yves


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Re: "make all" and "make install" for smake

[Gerrit P. Haase]

THUFIR HAWAT wrote:
- Original Message -
From: "Gerrit P. Haase" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[..]
Schily Software is installed into /opt/schily by default.
[..]
sorry, not sure I follow you there.  what or where is /opt/schily, please?
This is a directory.  Try `ls /opt` and see if there is a directory
called 'schily'.  Schilling software installs with prefix /opt/schily by 
default IIRC.

Or isn't this smake is the same as Schilling's smake?
-> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/smake
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Re: "make all" and "make install" for smake

[THUFIR HAWAT]

- Original Message -
From: "Gerrit P. Haase" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[..]
> Schily Software is installed into /opt/schily by default.
[..]

sorry, not sure I follow you there.  what or where is /opt/schily, please?


thanks,

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RE: Error messages accompany manpage displays

[Dave Korn]

> -Original Message-
> From: cygwin-owner On Behalf Of Gene C. Ruzicka
> Sent: 07 January 2005 10:08

> In the current build, manpage displays are successful, but 
> are accompanied
> by several error messages; viz.,
> 
> Unrecognized line in config file (ignored)
> JNROFF  LANG=ja_JP.UTF-8 /usr/bin/groff -Tnippon -mandocj
> Unrecognized line in config file (ignored)
> KNROFF  /usr/bin/groff -Tkorean -mandoc
> Unrecognized line in config file (ignored)
> JNEQN   /usr/bin/eqn -Tnippon
> Unrecognized line in config file (ignored)
> KNEQN   /usr/bin/eqn -Tkorean

  Google those words.


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Re: Obscene Content Tiebreaker

[Rodrigo de Salvo Braz]

On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Cliff Hones wrote:

> Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>
> >> A twit hit a free software mailing list.
> >> On censoring fortune he did insist.
> >> ``Can't have limericks about pussies and dicks!''
> >> A few clicks Googled him out a masochist!
>
> I don't think this is a limerick, though, which rather
> spoils the joke.

I found it hilarious all the same!
And googling people on this list does provide some interesting stuff :-)

Rodrigo

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Re: "make all" and "make install" for smake

[Gerrit P. Haase]

THUFIR HAWAT wrote:
$ smake
bash:  smake:  command not found
"make all" and "make install" suceeded, so why isn't smake a command now?
tried deleting the INSTALL file, but had the same results.
Schily Software is installed into /opt/schily by default.
Gerrit
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