Re: We have the right to choose which medications, substances and objects are inserted into our body. -- Re: Denmark passes law to force mandatory vaccinations for Coronavirus/COVID-19 -- Re: Behind t

[Joshua Case]

> We have fundamental sovereignty over our own body.

Good luck with that. 

Senate v1.0.1

[Joshua]

Senate

A web application used for receiving petition signatures electronically using 
state-of-the-art techniques to maintain integrity and validity of user 
submitted data.

https://github.com/joshuayabut/senate

This has been released into the public domain today.

Sent from [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.ch), encrypted email based in 
Switzerland.

RE: Daily Stormer Hit From All Sides

[Joshua]

I'm so glad to hear it!

Sent from ProtonMail Mobile

-- Forwarded message --
From: Mike Duvos<[m...@wolf359.net](mailto:m...@wolf359.net class=)>
Date: On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:57 PM
Subject: Fwd: Daily Stormer Hit From All Sides
To: <[cypherpu...@cpunks.org](mailto:cypherpu...@cpunks.org )>
CC:

> Everyone's favorite Neo-Nazi parody and trolling site, The Daily Stormer, 
> written by Andrew Anglin, has had a bad several days. They published an 
> article calling the road rage victim at the "Unite the Right " rally a "fat 
> childless 32-year-old slut, " and the forces of political correctness went 
> wild. GoDaddy gave them 24 hours to find a new domain registrar, and they 
> moved to Google. Google cancelled their registration and froze the domain, 
> preventing them from moving it again, effectively stealing it. They came back 
> up as dailystormer.wang, in Chinese jurisdiction, but that domain was seized 
> after a few hours. They then tried dailystormer.ru, but Cloudflare then 
> dumped them after a Quartz article accused Cloudflare of "Enabling Hate. " 
> Twitter then cancelled their status page. They've managed to get an onion 
> address up, at dstormer6em3i4km.onion which points to the few places they 
> haven't been kicked off of yet. With major chunks of important Internet 
> infrastructure in the hands of giant private corporations, who can decline 
> service to anyone at any time for any reason, unpopular speech can get 
> stomped on without it technically being "censorship ", which is regulation of 
> speech by the government. Reading The Daily Stormer doesn't make anyone a 
> Nazi, anymore than reading The Landover Baptist Church makes someone a 
> Baptist. It will be interesting to see what happens with the site, because 
> right now, they are kind of the Spotted Owl in the free speech forest. -- 
> Mike Duvos m...@wolf359.net

Re: House Judiciary Committee taps /r/The_Donald subreddit for Amended Resolution

[Joshua Case]

> On Aug 2, 2017, at 10:50 AM, Razer  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 08/02/2017 06:30 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>> reaching out to "the people"
> 
> Reaching out to people who have computers. The WHITE middle class, and
> upper working class urban dwellrs who aspire to that ever-shrinking and
> typically unavailable 'middle'. You can also tap it to turn techies who
> love technocracy and think the technology that made the mess can
> extricate us from it, into fascists and blackshirts.
> 
> That's the same cohort tapped to make 'color revolutions' btw. We can
> see how THAT all turned out. More repression thanks to Soros and Rendon,
> and 'friends' who 'shape perception'.


Not only that, but why is there any reason to think that the members of a 
message board are American, or have American interests in mind while this guys 
crowdsources a job we pay for out of taxes? 

I may not entirely agree with R’s assertion that the internet is white an 
middle class anymore, even though much of the money that moves there, and many 
of the faces it uses to lure in unsuspecting clickers are, but he’s definitely 
correct in assuming that this profile fits at the reddit page in question, you 
can see many of these cocks practicing these troll tactics under the same 
pseudonyms at daily storm, or any of the other political web shitholes on offer 
- RACISTS from ALL OVER THE PLANET. Writing legislation in the house. Classy.  

Re: Donald Trump: a perfect representative for modern America & a so-called Sharing Economy

[Joshua Case]

> On Jul 13, 2017, at 1:42 PM, Razer <g...@riseup.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 07/13/2017 10:33 AM, Joshua Case wrote:
>>> Ps. I just received an email at this address from a "Mark M"
>>> <write2ma...@gmail.com> <mailto:write2ma...@gmail.com> requesting an invite 
>>> for a riseup account,
>>> because Riseup is no longer accepting applications due to mass abuse by
>>> lying about the purpose for the account, which is supposed to be social
>>> activism related.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mark M claims he needs the account b/c:
>>> 
>>>> I need an invite code for getting a riseup account I am a bit coin and
>>>> monero contributor
>>> No. Mark. Just no.
>>> 
>>> You probably think creating another mythical currency is actually social
>>> activism. You are deluding yourself.
>>> 
>>> Rr
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> Seems fake. Nobody emailed you. 
> 
> 
> 
> Fuck you and your "Nobody emailed you".
> 
> Email source:
> 
> Note: Down in the gibberish
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> Someone's collecting invites too.
> 
> Rr
> 
> 
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Re: Snowden defends Comey

[Joshua Case]

Some women have dicks. Sorry. Not my fault. It just happens to be the case. 


> On May 23, 2017, at 5:26 PM, juan <juan@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 23 May 2017 17:04:05 -0400
> Joshua Case <jwc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> women don't have dicks - by defintion.
>> 
>> 
>> Did someone fall in love an get a surprise? Otherwise, why bother
>> yourself with someone else’s labels?
> 
> 
>   Why bother with labels at all? Why care if x is the
>   'private' key or the 'public' key? It's just labels and random
>   numbers...
> 
> 
> 
>> I’m sorry you find it
>> politically incorrect to use language that attaches dicks to women,
>> but that is the world you live in. Description is better than
>> prescription with language, I think. 
> 
>   Title: Nineteen eighty-four
>   Author: George Orwell (pseudonym of Eric Blair) (1903-1950)
> 
>   http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks01/0100021.txt
> 
>   funnily enough, looks like the book can't be found in the
>   americunt version of project gutenberg. 
> 
>> 
>> Of course, there are things we must agree upon if we’re to congregate
>> successfully, but is this really one of them?
> 
> 
>   My point is, I'm under no obligation to conform to
>   'politically correct' totalitarian bullshit. Therefore I am not
>   going to pretend that people who are not women are women. Not
>   only this is an exercise of fucking free speech, it's also a
>   matter of sticking to basic truth.
> 
>   
> 
> 

Re: Snowden defends Comey

[Joshua Case]

> 
> 
>   women don't have dicks - by defintion.


Did someone fall in love an get a surprise? Otherwise, why bother yourself with 
someone else’s labels? I’m sorry you find it politically incorrect to use 
language that attaches dicks to women, but that is the world you live in. 
Description is better than prescription with language, I think. 

Of course, there are things we must agree upon if we’re to congregate 
successfully, but is this really one of them? 

Re: Snowden defends Comey

[Joshua Case]

I can’t tell if it is a high water mark, a low water mark, or just strange 
lights in a strange sky. I know i screen capped and will forever remember the 
day that i opened a cypherpunks email and it started with these three words: 

“Snowden defends Comey”
 
and ended with these:

"better anal sensitivity :)"

----
Joshua Case
jwc...@gmail.com <mailto:jwc...@gmail.com>

“International tensions. Mounting international tensions. First there were 
states of precautionary alert, then there were enhanced readiness centers. This 
was followed by maximum arc situational preparedness. We can measure the 
gravity of events by tracing the increasingly abstract nature of the 
terminology. One more level of vagueness and that could be it."

> On May 23, 2017, at 3:25 PM, Marina Brown <catskillmar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On 05/22/2017 08:23 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
>> On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 6:48 PM, Dr. Carl W. Greer
>> <dr.gr...@protonmail.com> wrote:
>>> Snowden defends Comey
>>> 
>>>> Cecilia Tanaka cecilia.tanaka at gmail.com
>>>> Fri May 19 05:48:35 PDT 2017
>>>> 
>>>> please respect her choices, her freedom, her life.
>>>> The same about all transgenders, please.
>>> 
>>> If you cared at all about mannning's life, you would not defend the path
>>> that he has taken.  Unless you think it is a good thing when a "white" male
>>> cuts his dick off.  Is that what you want C, to have Bradley cut his
>>> dick off ?
>> 
>> Hahaha!!  Believe me, I do love dicks very much, probably much more
>> than you do, hahaha!!  ;D
>> 
>> With or without a dick, I want to see Chelsea happy.  Just it.  Pure
>> and sincere happiness.  What matters is not her penis, but her soul.
>> <3
>> 
>> Two of my dearest trans friends, even after the hormonal treatment,
>> decided to keep their penises, because it's a very aggressive chirurgy
>> and they don't feel prepared for it yet.  After psychological therapy,
>> after understanding better what they were feeling and accept their
>> inner self, they feel more comfortable in their bodies now and are
>> restructuring their self-esteem, learning more about themselves.
>> 
>> They probably will make the adaptation chirurgy in the next years, but
>> now is more important to search for harmony, serenity, inner peace.
>> The psychological and medical treatment, the love of their families,
>> friends, and partners, the personal acceptance of their bodies and its
>> respective changes, these intense and deep feelings are more important
>> than simply cut a penis off.
>> 
> 
> ...Though i have to say it is HILARIOUS to see insecure men squirm when
> they think about anyone losing their precious PENIS.
> 
> LOL !!! HaHaHa Ha !
> 
> I think someone is crossing their legs !
> 
> -- M
> 

Re: bitcoin incorporated

[Joshua]

Disgusting isn't it? They've been working on a project called Mimble Wimble 
which may eventually be a direct replacement/competitor for Bitcoin as well. In 
fact lots of people are working on non-Bitcoin projects in stealth.

What we need is some good leftists to come around and smash the investment 
capitalists completely out of The cryptocurrency space.

Sent from ProtonMail Mobile

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 3:53 PM, juan  wrote:

Here's a little company called

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockstream

with direct ties to the most toxic, anti 'cypherpunk' forces on
the planet.

http://www.coindesk.com/blockstream-21-million-seed-capital/

"Additional investment firms...Google chairman Eric Schmidt’s
Innovation Endeavors, "

It turns out that blockstream's 'leaders' are pretty
'influential' bitcoin developers. They seem opposed to
increasing the block size limit at the moment but they pretend
that their political decision is 'apolitical' 'unbiased' 'code'.

Now some background. Bitcoin, allegedly

"A purely peer-to-peer version of electronic cash would allow
online payments to be sent directly from one party to another
without going through a financial institution."

keywords, peer to peer, no financial middlemen.

Now it gets interesting. Blockstream has a solution to
increase bitcoin's capacity, which I don't think can be
described as "purely peer-to-peer" and involving no middlemen
at all. As a matter of fact, blockstream solution is to create
middlemen that will process the vast majority of
transaction...because they can't scale bitcoin (technical
failure) or they don't want (political failure).

Re: The Zen White Paper

[Joshua]

Excellent! Get ready to see a flood of Bitcoin emerging in physical form. 
Personally I really like what these folks are doing: https://opendime.com/

Sent from [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.ch), encrypted email based in 
Switzerland.

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: The Zen White Paper
Local Time: May 11, 2017 5:07 AM
UTC Time: May 11, 2017 9:07 AM
From: grarp...@gmail.com
To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org

Here's a fine series of articles outlining regulation to be routed around...

https://news.bitcoin.com/regulations-chinese-bitcoin-exchanges-expected-june-withdrawals-follow/

Re: The Zen White Paper

[Joshua]

True, capitalists are quite interested in the great accumulation of this wealth 
rather than using it as a stateless method to exchange value.

The best solution is to this is to fork this project, fork other projects like 
it too. Retake control of global purchasing power while you're at it. Build 
many more like it and give the capitalists a run for their money. They are a 
resource.

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: The Zen White Paper
Local Time: May 10, 2017 2:42 PM
UTC Time: May 10, 2017 6:42 PM
From: juan@gmail.com
To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org
Joshua <joshua2...@protonmail.ch>

On Wed, 10 May 2017 12:43:48 -0400
Joshua <joshua2...@protonmail.ch> wrote:

> Many have began to realize the supply of
> internet money is endless

yeah, that's the basic 'principle' of all scammers. The suply
of money is endless. And pigs fly.

The Zen White Paper

[Joshua]

The Zen White Paper
https://www.scribd.com/document/347946086/Zen-White-Paper

Currently as Bitcoin argues aspects of self-accumulation and distribution (the 
exact same issues fiat currencies face), other competitors have emerged. Many 
have began to realize the supply of internet money is endless and any project 
designed to capture more ground in the fight for digital self-determination is 
a righteous one.

With the hybridization of cooperative blockchain projects and digital mints it 
is possible to build completely autonomous economic systems. In the near future 
these independent blockchain systems will become interoperable resulting in the 
overall decline of traditional economic systems and non-cooperative blockchain 
systems (such as Bitcoin).

The ultimate success of these systems directly relies on the mutual usage and 
transfer of the token.

Join us as we deprecate the economic institutions of today for a better 
tomorrow.

Re: [CypherPunks] Event Invitation (May 23, 2017 - New York, New York)

[Joshua]

We'll it's funded by the same independent economic system that will be 
described at the event. Anyone can deploy a similar one. Therefore anyone can 
fund anything using the techniques we're using and best of all this is all 
openly available and free.

Finally the power of economic, government, and communicative self-determination 
is within reach...

Sent from [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.ch), encrypted email based in 
Switzerland.

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [CypherPunks] Event Invitation (May 23, 2017 - New York, New York)
Local Time: May 3, 2017 7:15 PM
UTC Time: May 3, 2017 11:15 PM
From: z...@freedbms.net
To: Joshua <joshua2...@protonmail.ch>
cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org <cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org>

Who said the message does not has merit?

Why do you say the source of the funding "doesn't matter"?

Zenaan Harkness

On Wed, May 03, 2017 at 07:09:43PM -0400, Joshua wrote:
> It doesn't matter who it's from if the message has merit.
>
> -movrcx
>
> Sent from [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.ch), encrypted email based in 
> Switzerland.
>
>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: [CypherPunks] Event Invitation (May 23, 2017 - New York, New 
> York)
> Local Time: May 3, 2017 6:48 PM
> UTC Time: May 3, 2017 10:48 PM
> From: z...@freedbms.net
> To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org
>
> No immediate disclosure of who's funding the "free" food and drinks?
>
> Bah humbug!
>
> On Wed, May 03, 2017 at 11:57:02AM -0400, Joshua wrote:
> > If you're interested in Bitcoin and are also interested in building out 
> > independent economic systems powered by artificial intelligence or whatever 
> > then you should come.
> >
> > Free food, drinks, and pleasant conversation.
> > https://www.eventbrite.com/e/social-and-fireside-chat-sponsored-by-zen-tickets-34280315346
> >
> > movrcx
> >
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Re: [CypherPunks] Event Invitation (May 23, 2017 - New York, New York)

[Joshua]

It doesn't matter who it's from if the message has merit.

-movrcx

Sent from [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.ch), encrypted email based in 
Switzerland.

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [CypherPunks] Event Invitation (May 23, 2017 - New York, New York)
Local Time: May 3, 2017 6:48 PM
UTC Time: May 3, 2017 10:48 PM
From: z...@freedbms.net
To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org

No immediate disclosure of who's funding the "free" food and drinks?

Bah humbug!

On Wed, May 03, 2017 at 11:57:02AM -0400, Joshua wrote:
> If you're interested in Bitcoin and are also interested in building out 
> independent economic systems powered by artificial intelligence or whatever 
> then you should come.
>
> Free food, drinks, and pleasant conversation.
> https://www.eventbrite.com/e/social-and-fireside-chat-sponsored-by-zen-tickets-34280315346
>
> movrcx
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[CypherPunks] Event Invitation (May 23, 2017 - New York, New York)

[Joshua]

If you're interested in Bitcoin and are also interested in building out 
independent economic systems powered by artificial intelligence or whatever 
then you should come.

Free food, drinks, and pleasant conversation.
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/social-and-fireside-chat-sponsored-by-zen-tickets-34280315346

movrcx

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Bitcoin and the formation of self-funded non-state entities.

[Joshua]

Generation 2.0 cryptocurrencies will provide essential human services and 
deprecate existing government models.

https://medium.com/@HakuinEkaku/bitcoin-and-the-formation-of-self-funded-non-state-entities-9c3789dabd6c

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Major Leak Suggests NSA Was Deep in Middle East Banking System

[Joshua]

https://www.wired.com/2017/04/major-leak-suggests-nsa-deep-middle-east-banking-system/

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National Security Implications of Virtual Currency

[Joshua]

http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1231.html
Key Findings

Non-State Actors Can Use VCs to Disrupt Sovereignty and Increase Political 
and/or Economic Power, but Unlikely to Use Established VC; Many Challenges 
Posed by Creation of VCs

- VC deployments are attractive in developing countries and in countries 
undergoing internal turmoil, where the existing financial infrastructure is 
either insufficient or weakened.
- The rapid deployment of a VC over a large geographic area would likely be 
less complicated than deploying more common currencies, such as those based on 
commodities or paper-based currencies.
- A non-state actor's VC (including Bitcoin-like currencies) would likely be 
vulnerable to cyber attack by a sophisticated adversary; more generally, 
creating new, usable yet reliable VC may pose great challenges, particularly 
for a non-state actor without technical sophistication.
- Promoting adoption of VCs among population is difficult due to newness, lack 
of legitimacy, and familiarity with physical tangibility of currency.
- Deployment of a VC by non-state actors, such terrorist organizations, 
insurgent groups, drug cartels, and other criminal organizations, would be 
easier if supported by a nation-state with advanced cyber expertise.
- Despite numerous hurdles, trends indicate a future in which VCs could be 
deployed by non-state actors or other organizations.

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Re: Governance vs Decentralised Systems, Gold, Cash, Bitcoin

[Joshua]

There's some really good points here. We've been exploring the styles of 
governance ourselves with the Zen project and we've unintentionally mirrored 
the founding of the United States (for better or less). After a period of 
private collaboration we decided to use a synergistic model using Core Officers 
which are elected to provide governance for the project and also to govern 
initiatives that the DAO has funded. This is matched with a DAO which provides 
funding for projects and ultimately decides on Core officers (and their fate). 
Instead of absolute stalemate as seen with Bitcoin & Bitcoin Unlimited, there 
are many ways both the Core and DAO could incentivize and also resist change if 
they were to become oppositional.

And let's not lost sight here that Satoshi himself could probably be identified 
as a benevolent dictator because he did indeed build a system nearly by himself 
and there are persons today that still try to carry out his will. In fact, some 
believe that any alteration that breaks the current Bitcoin model is only a 
corruption of the true spirit of Bitcoin.

All hail Satoshi.

@movrcx
https://zencash.io

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 Original Message 
Subject: Governance vs Decentralised Systems, Gold, Cash, Bitcoin
Local Time: March 18, 2017 3:58 PM
UTC Time: March 18, 2017 7:58 PM
From: grarp...@gmail.com
To: cypherpu...@cpunks.org

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtwaW79Fj7c
Governance problems which have allowed skeptics in the media to
latch on to the failures of decentralised systems. Decentralisation
isn't a Boolean, it's a range. Is it much more decentralised than
anything we've built before, including its governance? Yes. You
will not notice that developers and miners really don't have control
to effect change until something goes wrong, until there's a highly
contentious issue. They may want to offer a straightforward, direct,
and simple solution, but the system won't let them do that. Lead
developers can make limited decisions about what they include in
the code, but with blockchains you can either have opinions or
continue to make money; if your opinions get too strong, you stop
making money. Governance in these systems is tricky because by
making those explicit trade-offs, we get liberty. If you want to
have quick / simple / easy solutions, you will elect a dictator.
The trains may run on time, but the destination might be a death
camp, an efficient operation for killing people. Democracy is
incredibly inefficient, but we practice it anyway because we
appreciate the trade-offs that it gives us: self-expression;
self-determination; freedom of association, of religion, of
consciousness. Governance in network-centric systems are open to
permissionless access and innovation, systems which exhibit a very
high degree of autonomy and censorship resistance. The price we pay
is that our debates are loud, messy, and sometimes don't end, because
there's no centralised authority to filter everyone's opinions;
that's how corporations and governments run. We've tried that, and
if we want that kind of money, we have that kind of money. The
bottom line is that this not an accident, it's an explicit trade-off:
efficiency is the price we pay to buy liberty. I will pay that price
because I can apply engineering optimisation to efficiency; Bitcoin
and Ethereum were the first times I could apply engineering
optimisation to liberty.

Currency Wars, Bitcoin Neutrality
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0o_Mg5hY4g
Shorter Version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diw-5vWVW5o
India
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J_RVI0ZdRE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLNZ_ydSqnM
No Gold, No Wedding
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUr2E4dfs0Y

https://financial-risk-solutions.thomsonreuters.info/GFMS
https://trmcs-documents.s3.amazonaws.com/377d4e994bb540b286d7ccf30b81bece_20160331023311_gfms_gold_survey_2016_2.pdf
https://trmcs-documents.s3.amazonaws.com/377d4e994bb540b286d7ccf30b81bece_20160505120341_World%20Silver%20Survey%202016.pdf
https://trmcs-documents.s3.amazonaws.com/377d4e994bb540b286d7ccf30b81bece_20160512074418_GFMS%20Platinum%20Group%20Metals%20Survey%202016.pdf
https://trmcs-documents.s3.amazonaws.com/377d4e994bb540b286d7ccf30b81bece_2016040503_GFMS%20Copper%20Survey%202016.pdf
https://trmcs-documents.s3.amazonaws.com/ec6fa1ac9669b3b012c8275107819088_20161026080134_GFMS%20Base%20Metals%20Review%202016Final.pdf

Bitcoin
https://data.bitcoinity.org/markets/volume/30d
https://coinmarketcap.com/

Zen - A globally accessible and anonymous blockchain

[Joshua]

Hey folks,

I just wanted to take some time out of my day to shill my current project out 
to you all. Currently none of the cryptocurrency networks in existence are 
end-to-end encrypted and I'm working on resolving that. I'm prepping for the 
day the great firewall of China sees cryptocurrency as a threat. This new 
platform will be built from Zclassic/Zcash and transmissions will be secured 
with zero-knowledge proofs.

And if you're looking for a place to store some data permanently and in a 
distributed manner (that nobody can erase from history), then boy do I have a 
project for you!

Check it out! https://zencash.io/

-movrcx


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Re: Long, but very good: About Anti-Fascists and Anarchism

[Joshua Case]

> On Mar 3, 2017, at 2:01 PM, James A. Donald <jam...@echeque.com> wrote:
> 
> On 3/4/2017 2:33 AM, Joshua Case wrote:
>> Though you would agree that this exists though, and is of late gaining
>> momentum of some sort, yes?
>> 
>> https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t4359/
> 
> 
> Nazis murdered about twelve million or so.  Maybe twenty million at most.  
> Commies murdered well over a hundred million.  Probably around one hundred 
> and sixty million.
> 
> Commies are continually committing massive acts of violence right now today, 
> for example BLM ethnically cleansing Ferguson.
> 
> You propose to pre-emptively exterminate Nazis, and then declare everyone who 
> supports Trump, approximately fifty percent of Americans, to be a Nazi.
> 
> 

James, will you please, for the list, copy paste and post where I proposed 
anything, other than thoughtfulness with respect to the political noise on the 
board who’s topic has become a subject of dispute recently?  

There is a tripartite disjunction that can be created from your message’s 
content - you are either stupid, did not read the material, or are just 
willfully disruptive.

The actual Nazi’s have a more civil board, they seem to read each others posts 
before they reply.

Re: Long, but very good: About Anti-Fascists and Anarchism

[Joshua Case]

or, this 

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XDBHHV5/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1488520894=8-1=hailstorm+saga+of+the+new+ss
 
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XDBHHV5/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1488520894=8-1=hailstorm+saga+of+the+new+ss>


Joshua Case
jwc...@gmail.com <mailto:jwc...@gmail.com>

“International tensions. Mounting international tensions. First there were 
states of precautionary alert, then there were enhanced readiness centers. This 
was followed by maximum arc situational preparedness. We can measure the 
gravity of events by tracing the increasingly abstract nature of the 
terminology. One more level of vagueness and that could be it."

> On Mar 3, 2017, at 11:33 AM, Joshua Case <jwc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Though you would agree that this exists though, and is of late gaining 
> momentum of some sort, yes?
> 
> https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t4359/ 
> <https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t4359/>
> 
> And while it pretends to play nice, you are never a click away from overtly 
> fascist neo-nazi siege-heiling in front of a camera.
> 
> I defend the right to speech that I do not agree with, but war starts in 
> speech - and things are escalating. It’s not just  a sense I’ve got, you can 
> look at the attendance and participation changes.
> 
> You cannot pretend this isn’t real, and problematic. You can’t act as if all 
> people are rational actors, if they were the free market system would have 
> worked! (Ok last line was open trolling, Jim)
> 
> Best
> 
> Joshua Case
> jwc...@gmail.com <mailto:jwc...@gmail.com>
> 
> “International tensions. Mounting international tensions. First there were 
> states of precautionary alert, then there were enhanced readiness centers. 
> This was followed by maximum arc situational preparedness. We can measure the 
> gravity of events by tracing the increasingly abstract nature of the 
> terminology. One more level of vagueness and that could be it."
> 
>> On Mar 3, 2017, at 11:16 AM, jim bell <jdb10...@yahoo.com 
>> <mailto:jdb10...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
> 

Re: Long, but very good: About Anti-Fascists and Anarchism

[Joshua Case]

Though you would agree that this exists though, and is of late gaining momentum 
of some sort, yes?

https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t4359/ 
<https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t4359/>

And while it pretends to play nice, you are never a click away from overtly 
fascist neo-nazi siege-heiling in front of a camera.

I defend the right to speech that I do not agree with, but war starts in speech 
- and things are escalating. It’s not just  a sense I’ve got, you can look at 
the attendance and participation changes.

You cannot pretend this isn’t real, and problematic. You can’t act as if all 
people are rational actors, if they were the free market system would have 
worked! (Ok last line was open trolling, Jim)

Best

Joshua Case
jwc...@gmail.com <mailto:jwc...@gmail.com>

“International tensions. Mounting international tensions. First there were 
states of precautionary alert, then there were enhanced readiness centers. This 
was followed by maximum arc situational preparedness. We can measure the 
gravity of events by tracing the increasingly abstract nature of the 
terminology. One more level of vagueness and that could be it."

> On Mar 3, 2017, at 11:16 AM, jim bell <jdb10...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> 

Re: rotorbrowser update?

[Joshua]

The project is sort of in hibernation mode right now as I have to spend time on 
some other projects temporarily. I'll probably pick things back up in a few 
months :)

Unfortunately there weren't many developers that have come forward to help with 
it.

-movrcx


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 Original Message 
Subject: rotorbrowser update?
Local Time: March 1, 2017 3:16 AM
UTC Time: March 1, 2017 8:16 AM
From: z...@freedbms.net
To: CypherPunks 

rotorbrowser.com :
"The certificate expired on 20170128 22:37"


Any news? Is dev still happening? Was hopeful that the ALLCAPS browser
might make a release at some point...

Re: SS-GB: why the renewed obsession with alternative Nazi histories?

[Joshua Case]

Apologies, I had intentionally thought to send to a single user, but hit the 
whole list inadvertently - i am too stupid to have an email account. Please 
forgive.


> On Feb 21, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Joshua Case <jwc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Well he’s correct in a way - in 1962 Philip K Dick wrote a novel called Man 
> In The High Tower - several of his books have already been made into movies 
> and television shows. He was mainly into extremely speculative, futurist 
> Science-Fiction - Total Recall, Bladerunner, A Scanner Darkly - all from his 
> pen. 
> 
> He dealt heavily with Gnostic ideas, hidden knowledge and spiritual notions 
> of early christianity, the divine veil - he wrote some very strong material. 
> There are reports that he had "mental health issues” though who knows what 
> that means - I don’t know anyone who doesn’t, but he was definitely not a 
> neo-NAZI, philosophically - you can gather this from his writing, 
> particularly in his Exegesis 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exegesis_of_Philip_K._Dick>  where he 
> describes his contact with VALIS - Vast Active Living Intelligence System - 
> he had other things on his mind. 
> 
> In short, i think the described proliferation of the alternate histories in 
> the early 60s, and again now coincide with release and re-release of his 
> novel - which was inspired by Ward’s novel using the same idea, that the 
> other side had won the war, with the American Civil War…
> 
> PKD was a great mind and singular poet, his loss is sad for artists. 
> 
> Hope you don’t mind me replying personally, don’t want to cause anyone to 
> splash noise on the list because they feel compelled to disagree with me out 
> of spite or annoyance or whatever, 
> 
> hope you’re well, 
> JC
> 
>  - 
> 
> 
> Joshua Case
> jwc...@gmail.com <mailto:jwc...@gmail.com>
> 
> “International tensions. Mounting international tensions. First there were 
> states of precautionary alert, then there were enhanced readiness centers. 
> This was followed by maximum arc situational preparedness. We can measure the 
> gravity of events by tracing the increasingly abstract nature of the 
> terminology. One more level of vagueness and that could be it."
> 
>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 1:47 AM, Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tan...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:cecilia.tan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> SS-GB: why the renewed obsession with alternative Nazi histories?
>> 
>> http://theconversation.com/ss-gb-why-the-renewed-obsession-with-alternative-nazi-histories-73157
>>  
>> <http://theconversation.com/ss-gb-why-the-renewed-obsession-with-alternative-nazi-histories-73157>
>> 
>> "The Nazis are, once again, a subject of considerable cultural obsession. 
>> From The Man in the High Castle to the BBC's new adaptation of SS-GB, 
>> counterfactual Nazi nightmares are very much in vogue. This has happened 
>> once before, points out Sam Edwards – such alternative histories also 
>> proliferated in the 1960s. So what's behind their return?"
> 

Re: What IS "Fascism"?

[Joshua Case]

> I was writing code before there was any money in it, or 'gits' etc. I do 
> other things now. Fuck off.

Take your half baked political noise back to reddit or whatever. This list is 
not your fucking personal Pinterest for political marketing.  It had a topic 
and a purpose, and it was better before you started posting. Which I remember 
clearly.

Regardless of what you read back then when you decided to start dumping here, 
Tim May is not the topic of this list, nor is it his idea to use code and 
cryptography as a means of breaking a community's reliance on systems where the 
whole's  integrity relies on the good nature of human agency.  People are 
irrational. Cryptography can help defend against irrational actors. But it's 
hard. Hard to learn math, hard to get feel compelled to give back to a society 
that treats you like shit  inadvertently yet by design. I used to read things 
that helped me do the hard stuff here. You break that resource for me, call me 
semen, stupid, troll, then tell me the nature of this list? This list which I 
watched you join? And now it's just Rayzr, spitting his "series of shock 
slogans and mindless token tantrums" - and I should fuck off? 

I doubt it. This is why we can't have nice things. 

Re: What IS "Fascism"?

[Joshua Case]

Cypherpunks write code. 

> On Feb 14, 2017, at 1:32 PM, Razer  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 02/14/2017 10:25 AM, Ted Smith wrote:
>> "Cypherpunks write code."
> 
> But that's not all they doand besides (boilerplate)
> 
>> 
>> The trolls infesting this list, typically suggesting it's a coders or 
>> cryptographer's list, seem to have a problem with this list's operation. 
>> Because they aren't crypto-anarchist, they're Cryptofascists who'd like to 
>> shape this list by dunning and other fascist tactics and strategies, into 
>> something more pleasing. To them. If it's any indication I see a lot of 
>> complaints about the lack of 'coders' on the list, from them, and no code 
>> being presented, by them.
> 
> 
> I was writing code before there was any money in it, or 'gits' etc. I do 
> other things now. Fuck off.

Re: What IS "Fascism"?

[Joshua Case]

what do you think a ‘cypher’ is, shill?


Joshua Case
jwc...@gmail.com <mailto:jwc...@gmail.com>

“International tensions. Mounting international tensions. First there were 
states of precautionary alert, then there were enhanced readiness centers. This 
was followed by maximum arc situational preparedness. We can measure the 
gravity of events by tracing the increasingly abstract nature of the 
terminology. One more level of vagueness and that could be it."

> On Feb 14, 2017, at 12:48 PM, Razer <g...@riseup.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 02/14/2017 08:29 AM, Joshua Case wrote:
>> 
>> It’s shit. Write some code, or go the fuck away.
> 
> This isn't a coders list fuck off.

Re: What IS "Fascism"?

[Joshua Case]

> On Feb 14, 2017, at 10:40 AM, Razer  wrote:
> 
> From the publisher of Right-Wing Watch.
> 



If you are skeptical at efforts to define your own sworn enemy, you cannot say 
you know your enemy. A partisan appealing to the ‘expertise’ and ‘authority’ of 
another partisan who cannot maintain - even in his own mind - the definition of 
fascist. It’s the very definition of logical fallacy. Appeal to authority. Your 
enemy is Eurasia! We’ve always been at war with Eurasia! 

“Fascism” isn’t shapeshifting - the definition is. You invoke frightening 
ghosts to win support with invective you fail to comprehend. Your political 
opponents may be using new tactics, may be deplorable, but you need to call you 
enemy “fascist” otherwise it is difficult to defend the kind of histrionics you 
ask us to accept. You need to invoke death camps to justify your outrage. 
Without them, you’re simply registering a complaint and this drives you crazy - 
you need the ULTIMATE justification. 

The link at the bottom: “Is George Bush a Fascist?” - to which the answer is 
no; he was an asshole, but not a fascist anymore than Obama was or is - it 
directly contradicts the content of your copy/paste.

This shit is as boring as it is shallow. Let’s stop name calling and the faux 
revolutionary shit, seriously - you are beginning to feel like those Heaven’s 
Gate types - living these grown up fairy tails with definite good and evil and 
space men coming to save us, destroy us, entertain us! 

It’s shit. Write some code, or go the fuck away.

Re: Twitter working on identifying permanently suspended users...

[Joshua Case]

> 
> What Juan and Zen do is a kind of a 'harassment' according to most 
> moderators.. Adding unwanted, often entirely off-topic, inflammatory, ad hom 
> garbage to threads to attempt dissuading people from reading threads they 
> want to suppress and targeting certain individuals with garbage posts so when 
> they post, the Harasser hopes everyone on the list *groans* because they know 
> garbage will follow and wish the poster targeted goes away...  Sort of like 
> what you're doing here Jim. Querying me about it. Making it personal. Hoping 
> a flame war results. 
> 
> I'll repeat. Ask @Jack or @Support.
> 
> Rr
> 
> 


Ha, This from the mouth of the individual/s that refused to even speak about 
how he defines or identifies the “fascists” he would like to abuse, instead 
calling me “stupid” and literally “Semen on the ground.”

Raze, do you even talk to the other trolls that use this email account? 

Re: Politicians Crypto, and Strange Unsuccessful Leaks

[Joshua Case]

Would be interesting is to know how long it took Obama to fire Bush’s info-sec 
chief. Looking around, any one know offhand? Seems like usual turnover type 
business to me, really. I mean, do you really need a witch-hunt when the 
Whitehouse changes hands from one party to another? Seems like tactical 
reporting really. Obviously Trump is intolerable and dooming the west, but the 
stories are all so breathless…. 

> 
> Recall that Candidate Trump was not hacked.  Pretty sure his grandkid better 
> at security than the whitehouse chief security information officer.

Re: change.org "declare antifa illegal/terrorist" petition

[Joshua Case]

> On Feb 10, 2017, at 1:40 PM, Razer <g...@riseup.net> wrote:
> 
> On 02/10/2017 10:28 AM, Joshua Case wrote:
>> meaning, you won’t interact with me unless it’s in front of other people?
> 
> Yup. That's Eggs-ackly what I mean.
> 
>> because you need that level of attention?
> 
> 
> No. Because you need the pubic 'exposure'.
> 

As an unintelligent person, with some kind of physical disability which causes 
slow cognition - a precondition of genetic nature maybe? As 'sperm on the 
ground', or am I a fascist too now? Can people of color be fascist? I'm 
uninformed. Would be really fascinating to hear your thoughts. 



>> I was just trying to reduce the level of idiocy before i just plain muted 
>> you, like everyone else on this list has, and are imploring me to do. 
> 
> Odd. More intelligent people seem to respond to my posting, when they feel 
> it, than I've seen responding to yours. But posting items to a list isn't a 
> popularity contest ... now is it?

I don’t copy-paste off topic news story links to the list nearly as much as you 
do, no, and you are an effective troll. true. 


> It's really an insight of your interests, to others on the list...(and fwiw I 
> don't consider the fascist trolls like Z, J, 'The Donald', and tentatively 
> the wordy but still socially ignorant JB, really intelligent. Unless you 
> consider reptilian aliens 'intelligent' in any way but socially vicious 
> intelligence.)
> 

> 
> Just like you're wasting my time responding to you. For the last time.


It’s been a nice ride. Thanks!

> 
> Rr
> 
> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 10, 2017, at 1:12 PM, Razer <g...@riseup.net 
>>> <mailto:g...@riseup.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That's right. I'm insulting your intellect.
>>> 
>>> Don't contact me offlist again schmuck. I'm too busy for you nonsesne
>>> 
>>> On 02/10/2017 10:07 AM, Joshua Case wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> So are the people who run world governments that commit Genocide and the 
>>>>> officers of corporations poisoning the planet (and our minds, with 
>>>>> advertising of the products causing the physical poisoning).
>>>>> 
>>>>> You aren't making your case spewball.
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Rational" is relative.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Rr
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I don’t agree with Jim on all points, hardly any maybe, but i’fe heard 
>>>>>> his stuff, listened to him talk. he’s rational, it seems.  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> That’s all you’ve got? An obvious and blatant strawman fallacy and some 
>>>> intellect insult? And no, rational is not relative - it’s not everywhere, 
>>>> but it’s not relative. It has a precise definition, and there is a 
>>>> mathematical proof for it.
>>>> 
>>>> You might spend more time reading, less time writing for a while. 
>>>> 
>>>> Unless you’re just a paid troll to keep this list off topic, undermining 
>>>> productive countercultural projects and coordination. In which case, great 
>>>> work. Keep hitting send! 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 

Re: change.org "declare antifa illegal/terrorist" petition

[Joshua Case]

meaning, you won’t interact with me unless it’s in front of other people? 
because you need that level of attention? I was just trying to reduce the level 
of idiocy before i just plain muted you, like everyone else on this list has, 
and are imploring me to do. 

i’m not insecure with respect to my intellect, or schmuckiness - i’m alarmed 
that you’d use such a patriarchal type of genitals insult. i’m smart enough to 
see through people like you, and i am not a penis. 


> On Feb 10, 2017, at 1:12 PM, Razer <g...@riseup.net> wrote:
> 
> That's right. I'm insulting your intellect.
> 
> Don't contact me offlist again schmuck. I'm too busy for you nonsesne
> 
> On 02/10/2017 10:07 AM, Joshua Case wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> So are the people who run world governments that commit Genocide and the 
>>> officers of corporations poisoning the planet (and our minds, with 
>>> advertising of the products causing the physical poisoning).
>>> 
>>> You aren't making your case spewball.
>>> 
>>> "Rational" is relative.
>>> 
>>> Rr
>>> 
>>>> I don’t agree with Jim on all points, hardly any maybe, but i’fe heard his 
>>>> stuff, listened to him talk. he’s rational, it seems.  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> That’s all you’ve got? An obvious and blatant strawman fallacy and some 
>> intellect insult? And no, rational is not relative - it’s not everywhere, 
>> but it’s not relative. It has a precise definition, and there is a 
>> mathematical proof for it.
>> 
>> You might spend more time reading, less time writing for a while. 
>> 
>> Unless you’re just a paid troll to keep this list off topic, undermining 
>> productive countercultural projects and coordination. In which case, great 
>> work. Keep hitting send! 
>> 
> 

Re: change.org "declare antifa illegal/terrorist" petition

[Joshua Case]

OK SO, LET ME SEE IF I CAN PASS RAEZOR’S IQ TEST!

>>Jim Bell

Who wrote and did time for “Assassination Market” essay, among other things 
some good, some not so good in my humble…might be described as a Libertarian.

RAZERr makes it clear, in settling a bit of a challenge that antifa is a little 
slippery about what and who a fascist might be that he holds a theory in which :

> Libertarians are fascists.

Then graciously goes on, once more, though he’s been through this with us 
thousands of times and his patience is beginning to be tested, 


> Fascism cannot be conservative

moreover, 

> Fascism and it's idea of TRADITIONALISM would eliminate the internet 

ERGO

EITHER JIM BELL HATES CRYPTOGRAPHY AND THE INTERNET IN PARTICULAR AND IS TRYING 
TO DESTROY IT OR IS A CRYPTO_COMMUNIST ANTIFA AGENT.

I don’t agree with Jim on all points, hardly any maybe, but i’fe heard his 
stuff, listened to him talk. he’s rational, it seems.  but raze, please just 
admit to yourself and your so smart they punch buddies that a "fascist” can 
really only be defined as “who ever it is that razzers is currently beating up.”

Re: Statement from a Berkely Antifa FashBash participant

[Joshua Case]

Jim- come on It's only confusing or vague if you're pretending to be in a 
court. I know you did your time in the system, as did I, but out here you don't 
have to defend your opinion from statute. -Joshua

> On Feb 2, 2017, at 6:47 PM, juan <juan@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 2 Feb 2017 14:47:49 -0800
> Razer <g...@riseup.net> wrote:
> 
>> "Free speech means you have legal right to expression; not entitlement
>> to huge public platform or to be a racist in public w/o being
>> punched."
> 
> 
>LMAO at the sick piece of shit being quoted and the sick piece
>of shit who quotes him..Notice also 'anarcho' turd rayzer
>invoking yet again US government doctrine. 
> 
>Here's the deal though : rayzer IS a fully fledged national
>socialist or national communist or fascist, who promotes the
>existence of concentration camps like cuba. He's an apologist
>of slavey and the murdering of dissenters.
> 
>Following his own lunatic (fascist) views regarding free speech,
>he should be shot on sight. If rayzer wants to enslave millions
>of people in commie concentration camps he should be treated
>like a wild dangerous animal.
> 

Re: Statement from a Berkely Antifa FashBash participant

[Joshua Case]

Dear rzor, 

The only moderate thing about me is my annoyance with hypocrisy on the leftern 
front. Antifa disruption is basically aligned with my sentiment - but violence 
outside of defense doesn't work for me. I'm ok with burning property, vandalism 
is sensual, but violence meretricious. We have to strive for a world of 
cooperation. If I take your tracts and replace nazi with Jew what we have is 
very familiar. I was young once though, and I thought violence sucked then too. 

> On Feb 2, 2017, at 6:37 PM, Razer <g...@riseup.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 02/02/2017 03:26 PM, Joshua Case wrote:
>> Have to know I'm doing the proper kind of thinking if libertarian and antifa 
>> people are taking exception with my thoughts. Razor finds me idiotic because 
>> I think violence as a matter policy is the same as the crap he wants to 
>> fight, but what good is a rayz3r that does no cutting? Jim thinks I'm taking 
>> away Milo's liberty unfairly because I think it reasonable to deny him use 
>> of the communistically shared space he finds so precious. 
> 
> 
> You think you're the "Voice of moderation" but you're the "Voice of 
> Collaboration", with Fascists.
> 
> Even stupid Prog-libs like Murtaza Hussain know better.
> 
> Rr
> 
> Ps. How many different ways can you spell my handle wrong in one paragraph? 
> I'm not an egotist. I don't search for my handle in posts to decide what I 
> read and respond to.
> 
> 
>> 
>> On Feb 2, 2017, at 6:14 PM, jim bell <jdb10...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Joshua Case <jwc...@gmail.com>
>>> 
>>> More to the point he was seeking right to assembly, it wasn't his speech 
>>> that was suppressed. His views are well know, his sentiment registers 
>>> broadly. He was denied assembly. Seems reasonable. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Your comment is confusing and vague.  I assume you were talking about Milo 
>>> Yiannopolis (sp?).  
>>> University of California (including the Berkeley site) is presumably public 
>>> property.  The 1st Amendment likely applies, at least as strongly there as 
>>> elsewhere.  If you are saying it "seems reasonable" for him being "denied 
>>> assembly", is there any other public property where you WOULDN'T agree that 
>>> it would be "reasonable" for him being "denied assembly"?  I think it's 
>>> long-established that government officials generally cannot deny people the 
>>> right to speak on public property (at a time and in a manner that anyone 
>>> else would be allowed to speak).  
>>> 
>>> Somebody will probably argue that "public officials", per se, didn't 
>>> attempt to obstruct Milo Y's right to be there, and speak.  Well, no, the 
>>> rioters did that.  But I think that for the government to allow rioters to 
>>> do things that would be illegal for government people to do, in itself 
>>> would be a Constitutional problem.  After all, the 14th Amendment 
>>> guarantees "equal protection of the laws", and some of those laws deal with 
>>> the right to "assemble" on "public property".  Failure to use government 
>>> police for to  enforce Milo Y's right to assemble and speak would amount to 
>>> a violation of his 14th Amendment rights.
>>> 
>>> Jim Bell
>>> 
> 

Re: Statement from a Berkely Antifa FashBash participant

[Joshua Case]

Have to know I'm doing the proper kind of thinking if libertarian and antifa 
people are taking exception with my thoughts. Razor finds me idiotic because I 
think violence as a matter policy is the same as the crap he wants to fight, 
but what good is a rayz3r that does no cutting? Jim thinks I'm taking away 
Milo's liberty unfairly because I think it reasonable to deny him use of the 
communistically shared space he finds so precious. 

> On Feb 2, 2017, at 6:14 PM, jim bell <jdb10...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> From: Joshua Case <jwc...@gmail.com>
> 
> More to the point he was seeking right to assembly, it wasn't his speech that 
> was suppressed. His views are well know, his sentiment registers broadly. He 
> was denied assembly. Seems reasonable. 
> 
> 
> Your comment is confusing and vague.  I assume you were talking about Milo 
> Yiannopolis (sp?).  
> University of California (including the Berkeley site) is presumably public 
> property.  The 1st Amendment likely applies, at least as strongly there as 
> elsewhere.  If you are saying it "seems reasonable" for him being "denied 
> assembly", is there any other public property where you WOULDN'T agree that 
> it would be "reasonable" for him being "denied assembly"?  I think it's 
> long-established that government officials generally cannot deny people the 
> right to speak on public property (at a time and in a manner that anyone else 
> would be allowed to speak).  
> 
> Somebody will probably argue that "public officials", per se, didn't attempt 
> to obstruct Milo Y's right to be there, and speak.  Well, no, the rioters did 
> that.  But I think that for the government to allow rioters to do things that 
> would be illegal for government people to do, in itself would be a 
> Constitutional problem.  After all, the 14th Amendment guarantees "equal 
> protection of the laws", and some of those laws deal with the right to 
> "assemble" on "public property".  Failure to use government police for to  
> enforce Milo Y's right to assemble and speak would amount to a violation of 
> his 14th Amendment rights.
> 
> Jim Bell
> 

Re: Statement from a Berkely Antifa FashBash participant

[Joshua Case]

Moreover this is what I just said, and you took issue with - when this person 
says it it's getting something right? Maybe you're just being a dick because 
you like the attention. 

> A prog-Lib, Murtaza Hussain from The Intercept, FINALLY gets something right
> 
> "Free speech means you have legal right to expression; not entitlement to 
> huge public platform or to be a racist in public w/o being punched." 
> https://twitter.com/MazMHussain/status/827266793039278080
> 
> "Liberals crying out to defend this guys ability to target most vulnerable 
> people in society should consider deporting themselves to Mars." 
> https://twitter.com/MazMHussain/status/827262611649556480
> 
> "ICYMI this guy was going to Berkeley to target undocumented students, not 
> engage in some kind of Socratic dialogue (link to sheitbart article)" 
> https://twitter.com/MazMHussain/status/827260921915461633
> 
> Rr
> 
> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 2, 2017, at 4:30 PM, Razer  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Image gleaned from twitter
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> 

Re: Statement from a Berkely Antifa FashBash participant

[Joshua Case]

I'm paying attention, just not to rural simply list if tripe like that. Some 
people hold views that are not the same as yours. Unilateral selection of 
policy by a vocal or violent minority is a) our status quo- what got us into 
this mess in the first place b) stupid and destined to fail for lack of self 
awareness. 

> On Feb 2, 2017, at 5:47 PM, Razer <g...@riseup.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 02/02/2017 02:33 PM, Joshua Case wrote:
>> More to the point he was seeking right to assembly, it wasn't his speech 
>> that was suppressed. His views are well know, his sentiment registers 
>> broadly. He was denied assembly. Seems reasonable. 
> 
> You aren't paying attention...
> 
> "Fascists get no platform, no free speech, no quarter, no mercy. It's that 
> simple."
> 
> https://twitter.com/BlackAutonomist/status/827136749633732609
> 
> 
> A prog-Lib, Murtaza Hussain from The Intercept, FINALLY gets something right
> 
> "Free speech means you have legal right to expression; not entitlement to 
> huge public platform or to be a racist in public w/o being punched." 
> https://twitter.com/MazMHussain/status/827266793039278080
> 
> "Liberals crying out to defend this guys ability to target most vulnerable 
> people in society should consider deporting themselves to Mars." 
> https://twitter.com/MazMHussain/status/827262611649556480
> 
> "ICYMI this guy was going to Berkeley to target undocumented students, not 
> engage in some kind of Socratic dialogue (link to sheitbart article)" 
> https://twitter.com/MazMHussain/status/827260921915461633
> 
> Rr
> 
> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 2, 2017, at 4:30 PM, Razer <g...@riseup.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Image gleaned from twitter
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> 

Re: Statement from a Berkely Antifa FashBash participant

[Joshua Case]

More to the point he was seeking right to assembly, it wasn't his speech that 
was suppressed. His views are well know, his sentiment registers broadly. He 
was denied assembly. Seems reasonable. 

> On Feb 2, 2017, at 4:30 PM, Razer  wrote:
> 
> 
> Image gleaned from twitter
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: No one provides proof Assange is dead > 1 month now

[Joshua Case]

Such a boring line of technicality. As though anyone is in a position to call 
themselves "the Russian government" - and deliver 'anonymously' to Wikileaks. 
Assange guilty of the same duplicitous doublethink as the machine he is 
destroying. However many hands the documentary evidence passed through by the 
time Assange was given access, the Feds have the boxes that were wrecked and 
stolen from, and the NSA has selectors for points of origin for all traffic 
logged in massive vaults. Who knows, but citing Assange as an authority, as 
opposed to an actor in this drama is duplicity defined. 

> On Dec 16, 2016, at 10:27 AM, Razer  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 12/15/2016 11:48 PM, Zenaan Harkness   wrote:
>> Julian Assange: ‘Our Source Is Not the Russian Government’
>> 
> 
> He said that MONTHS ago. 
> 
> He was just repeating it for the illiterates who need to see it on a 
> Right-Wing TeeVee channel.
> 
> Ps. Handjob & braitfart are a little slow. Like most lIbertards and Fascist 
> alt-Righturds
> 
> Vicious, but really, REALLY slow.
> 
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4034038/Ex-British-ambassador-WikiLeaks-operative-claims-Russia-did-NOT-provide-Clinton-emails-handed-D-C-park-intermediary-disgusted-Democratic-insiders.html