Re: What info does Zero Knowledge collect on users of Freedom 3.0?
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't this a moot point ? I was under the impression that ZKS was going to pull the plug sometime in the very near future. - John Kozubik - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.kozubik.com On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: - Forwarded message from Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FC: What info does Zero Knowledge collect on users of Freedom 3.0? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 01:41:09 -0700 [I agreed to delete Anonymous' name before posting, but it is fair to point out that Anonymous works for a company that is in some areas a competitor to ZKS. I offered ZKS the opportunity to reply; their response follows. My own thoughts: If ZKS wants to display tailored ads, it makes sense that Freedom clients will communicate with the mother ship on a more-or-less regular basis. This is what Eudora and Opera do, and what Freedom 3.0 apparently does (I haven't used it). The question is whether users are aware of the potential privacy risks. --Declan]
Re: What info does Zero Knowledge collect on users of Freedom 3.0?
They're pulling the plug on the Freedom anon-network. They're now using the name Freedom 3.0 to refer to a different, new product that does stuff like cookie blocking. -Declan At 11:18 PM 10/18/01 -0700, John Kozubik wrote: Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't this a moot point ? I was under the impression that ZKS was going to pull the plug sometime in the very near future.
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Re: What info does Zero Knowledge collect on users of Freedom 3.0?
On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: [I agreed to delete Anonymous' name before posting, but it is fair to point out that Anonymous works for a company that is in some areas a competitor to ZKS. [snip] This would also include any cookies set from zeroknowledge.com, (which ZKS sets every time you go there), but I filter cookies through the MEconomy system, so I had none from them. [snip] Hhmm. Anonymous doesn't work for MEconomy by any chance, does he? -MW-
Re: Your papers please
On Thursday, October 18, 2001, at 05:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In 1983 I was questioned by a (New York) police officer, who interrupted my quite open and obvious dictation into a hand held microcassette recorder to do it. Since he saw the thing in my hand, and did not ask me to turn it off, I let it run during what was essentially a Terry Stop. When the Terry stop escalated, and I was ordered to follow the officer for more questioning, I asked him, while holding out the recorder for the answer, whether I was under arrest. Answer: no. Followed by Am I free to go?. Answer no. Sir, I believe these two conditions are mutually exclusive: either I am under arrest, or I am free to go. As I have things to do, I need to know which it is, so that I may either go do them, or call my attorney to join us. My reward was a crushed microcassette recorder, a missing cassette (he claimed the recorder was both damaged and empty at the time he first encountered it), and an arrest (and conviction no less!). On the way to central booking, he helped himself to my pocket change to pay for the coffee and doughnuts for him and his three buddies (they actually stopped en-route, leaving me cuffed in the car alone for about 20 minutes). He earned killing. You would be justified in arranging his death, if this really happened. If this really happened and you have not yet taken him out with a good rifle, why not? (I realize you cannot say one way or the other whether you delivered justice to this (alleged) miscreant, but my point remains.) Personally, I doubt your story. Someone who does what you say was done to you has clearly earned killing. --Tim May
Re: Stu Baker on CALEA and the Net
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Re: Expert Warns Coded Pictures Indicate Al Qaeda Planning Major BiologicalAttack
Dr. Evil wrote: Fascinating website. This may sound disturbing, but I must say, this terrorist was a pretty good painter if these really are his paintings. Agreed. I would be really, really impressed if Koontz had said all this *before* the event. Afterwards? I hope he never publishes his theories on the words of Bob Dylan. Mr. Koontz made some good points about the biological attack, but his thesis is predicated on the idea of yellow meaning sickness, and I'm not sure if it all ties together. For instance, one of the paintings clearly shows an Arabian horse struggling uphill into a field of yellow. Yellow in this case looks like peace or salvation. He also didn't pick up the image of a horse running up the rock being a reference to how Mohamed went to heaven, so there may be some other interpretations of these images. Some hundreds of interpretations I guess. The world is full of art historians and critics and cultural studies folk who can generate them for as long as you like. We have a whole department of Art Historians here at this very university. I bet they could find terrorist messages in just about any painting you cared to mention, if you bought them enough drinks. Ken Brown
Re: Your papers please
David Honig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : fishing through wreckage for a crumpled black box recorder seems pretty old fashioned, too. 30K planes in the air before; maybe 20K now (or 30K 2/3rds full..). Lots of data from mobile senders. [Yes, some of the 30K are too small to be interesting.] Though now perhaps you could do it by piggybacking on the cellphone mesh? Cheaper than satellite. (Though what about hitting multiple cells, the non-EMI reason for not using cells on planes) N years ago a robust tape recorder was the best you could do; N/2 years ago a solid state recorder became reasonable. For some value of N. Now RF (digitally encoded, bursty?) is feasible. There is no reason not to have redundant systems - record locally and remotely. This goes for airline black boxes and personal record keeping...
Re: stupid anthrax q: would microwaving your snail mail help?
Sounds like somebody doesn't do their own washing/ironing :) The steam in an iron doesn't get anywhere that hot, it'd ruin the clothes. Also an iron will have steam escaping around the edges (when you hit the steam button especially) and this has the potential to spread un-heated spores into the atmosphere. On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Karsten M. Self wrote: This suggestion turned up on Kuro5hin, a web discussion site (Slashdot's baby brother): If you want to sterilize your mail, simply place the unopened envelope on an ironing board and place a damp, thin cloth on top of it. Then iron it. Yes, iron it. Just like you would iron your pants. The damp heat will kill any bacteria, including anthrax, inside the envelope, and you will be safe. http://www.kuro5hin.org/comments/2001/10/18/44222/299/16#16 Probably more accessible to most of the population (and workplaces) than claves, pressure cookers, or irradiation equipment. Anyone have thoughts or (?) knowledge on efficacy, or guidelines on how long the heating should last for decontamination? -- The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion. Edmund Burke (1784) The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Slashdot | EFF speaks out against MAPS
EFF reminding us, bullshit. I've been saying this (and shouted down by the CACL crowd) for years - check the archive. Wonder if Hemos/Taco will give credit where credit is due...probably not. http://slashdot.org/yro/01/10/17/1755213.shtml -- -- The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion. Edmund Burke (1784) The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
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Re: Slashdot | EFF speaks out against MAPS
And probably hundreds of other online cranks have been ranting against MAPS and its brethren for years as well. Doesn't mean that anyone of substance notices, or cares. -Declan On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 07:37:24AM -0500, Jim Choate wrote: EFF reminding us, bullshit. I've been saying this (and shouted down by the CACL crowd) for years - check the archive. Wonder if Hemos/Taco will give credit where credit is due...probably not. http://slashdot.org/yro/01/10/17/1755213.shtml -- -- The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion. Edmund Burke (1784) The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: stupid anthrax q: would microwaving your snail mail help?
on Sun, Oct 14, 2001 at 04:11:16PM -0400, sunder ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: This is a stupid question but as I'm not a biologist, I'll ask it anyway and risk looking foolish... Would it help to microwave your mail if you don't know where it came from and you're sure it doesn't contain an objects? i.e. it's not a CD you've ordered from Amazon. :) This suggestion turned up on Kuro5hin, a web discussion site (Slashdot's baby brother): If you want to sterilize your mail, simply place the unopened envelope on an ironing board and place a damp, thin cloth on top of it. Then iron it. Yes, iron it. Just like you would iron your pants. The damp heat will kill any bacteria, including anthrax, inside the envelope, and you will be safe. http://www.kuro5hin.org/comments/2001/10/18/44222/299/16#16 Probably more accessible to most of the population (and workplaces) than claves, pressure cookers, or irradiation equipment. Anyone have thoughts or (?) knowledge on efficacy, or guidelines on how long the heating should last for decontamination? The obvious terrorist counter-countermeasure would be to add a heat-activated agent to the weapon. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ Land of the free Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html PGP signature
Re: stupid anthrax q: would microwaving your snail mail help?
Anyone have thoughts or (?) knowledge on efficacy, or guidelines on how long the heating should last for decontamination? I would not think that ordinary ironing would effectively decontaminate letters with anthrax in them. These are tough spores. The only way to really find out what works would be to try the experiment, but they need a lot of heat, so you might need to do a lot of ironing. Irradiation is a much better bet. Better still is a plain old gas mask, or maybe some anthrax vaccine. Oh wait, civilians aren't allowed to have vaccine because safety isn't really the goal here. The obvious terrorist counter-countermeasure would be to add a heat-activated agent to the weapon. There is no counter-countermeasure necessary. The goal of the terrorists isn't to take down America by killing Americans. The goal of anthrax is to spread hysteria and terror, and it is doing that with great efficacy. The counter-measure to hysteria is knowledge. There is no counter-measure to knowledge, which is why it's so cool. Unfortunately the US government is contributing to the hysteria by withholding knowledge. Fortunately we have the Internet which lets us find information for ourselves.
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Dr. Evil wrote: There is no counter-countermeasure necessary. The goal of the terrorists isn't to take down America by killing Americans. The goal of anthrax is to spread hysteria and terror, and it is doing that with great efficacy. The Wall Street Journal of October 18 quoted portions of Congressional testimony by Ken Alibek, former top Russian biowar researcher, as saying that of the five main purposes for developing anthrax as a weapon, the least importnat purpose was injuring or killing people. The most important purpose was to create terror and panic. Alibek was reported to have said that anthrax was not that dangerous, that it took a substantial dose to cause injury and more to kill, that even crop-dusting Washington DC with weapons grade stuff would not kill the huge numbers alleged. But that lack of effectiveness was not what was to be publicized, he said, instead development of the anthrax attack system included massive disinformation about its lethality before all else. In short, anthrax is primarily psywar (as is most NBCI WMD). Richard Preston is his two New Yorker articles* a while back heavily relied upon Alibek for his terrifying bio-WMD scenarios. I don't recall Alibek being so whipsaw disinformational in those articles as he allegedly was in briefing Congress how to whipsaw the public. Still, there is the smallpox campaign just getting underway to escalate the horrendous, shocking, information Pearl Harbor attack. - * http://cryptome.org/smallpox-wmd.htm http://cryptome.org/bioweap.htm
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Re: Your papers please
On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Steve Schear wrote: Everyone knows it is a bad idea to try and board a plane carrying a box cutter, a flight manual written in Arabic, or a sack full of mysterious white powder. But with ultra-tightened airport security, a book could also prevent you from boarding that plane. No kidding. It happened just last week in Philadelphia. http://cgi.newcity.com/exitlog/frameset.php?close=http://www.citypaper.net/articles/101801/news.godfrey.shtmlback=http://www.newcity.com steve Wow! Ed Abby, rest his ill-tempered soul, would be very proud.
Re: Your papers please
It's dodgy. I wish I could quote chapter and verse, but I don't recall. The closest you could come and /maybe/ get away with it, would be to have a cell activated and your lawyer on the line. LE would still cop a major attitude. They DO NOT like being documented. They have some laws or regulations backing them up on it as well. I looked into this about 5 years ago when a neighboring state was starting to get into the Papers Please, Ausweiss Controll Bitte mind set in their war on drugs. The thought was for me, a clean for many years fellow, to drive a profilable vehicle in profilable manner, while wired through potential drug checkpoint areas trying to attract a bust. Our lawyer decided it was way too dodgy legally. Some folks are going to want to call bullshit on this, and I welcome it. I thought at the time, I could record, video tape, transmit pretty much whatever I wanted. Turned out that there are special things involved with surveilling the surveillers. On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Jamie Lawrence wrote: Sometime around 02:50 PM 10/18/2001 -0700, Steve Schear opined thusly: http://cgi.newcity.com/exitlog/frameset.php?close=http://www.citypaper.net/articles/101801/news.godfrey.shtmlback=http://www.newcity.com Does anyone know the legal issues surrounding the act of taking a pocket tape recorder and recording at least my side of this sort of transaction? I know what the likely result would be; I wondered if I had any obligation not to record anything I might happen to say while interacting with airport authorities. -j
Re: Expert Warns Coded Pictures Indicate Al Qaeda Planning Major Biological Attack
Maybe the CIA will now open an Art Historical and Symbolical Branch to examine the works of artists for evidence of dangerous thoughts. GK Chesterton got it right back in 1908: The work of the philosophical policeman, replied the man in blue, is at once bolder and more subtle than that of the ordinary detective. The ordinary detective goes to pot-houses to arrest thieves; we go to artistic tea-parties to detect pessimists. The ordinary detective discovers from a ledger or a diary that a crime has been committed. We discover from a book of sonnets that a crime will be committed. We have to trace the origin of those dreadful thoughts that drive men on at last to intellectual fanaticism and intellectual crime. We were only just in time to prevent the assassination at Hartlepool, and that was entirely due to the fact that our Mr. Wilks (a smart young fellow) thoroughly understood a triolet. (From The Man who was Thursday, chapter 4, copied from Christian Classics Ethereal Library at http://biblestudy.churches.net/CCEL/C/CHESTERT/THURSDAY/THURSDAY.TXT) The website at http://huizen.dds.nl/~wandm/paint2.html claims that the drawings were made between 1983 and 1989. There are signatures and dates visible on the pictures. Even the Koontz article claims that they have existed at least since 1998. If this is true they can hardly have been a signal to the hijackers to go into action. At the most, evidence of the artist's state of mind. Ken Brown
AG on spotting terrorists in our midst
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countdown to meltdown
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Explosives found at Greyhound bus terminal
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Rep. Buyer Suggests Limited Nuclear Retaliation
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Re: Explosives found at Greyhound bus terminal
On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 04:20:40PM -0500, Jim Choate wrote: http://www.nbc10.com/cgi-bin/gx.cgi/AppLogic+FTContentServer?pagename=FutureTense/Apps/Xcelerate/Viewc=NBCArticlecid=NBCJ2DVGXSCp=NBCK9JZRB8Clive=true From the story (which is only about 5 paragraphs): -- PHILADELPHIA - Philadelphia Bomb Squad says the lack of a detonator cap prevented the military explosive found Friday from destroying a Greyhound bus terminal. The suitcase containing a third of a pound of C-Four explosive and a thousand feet of detonator cord was placed in a bus station locker on September 29th. Since it was unclaimed, a bus station employee opened it today in order to give any clothing inside to charity. Police were called after the worker discovered a putty-like material. -- How much damage could about 6 ounces of C4 do? For the interested, here's a great recipe for composition 4 explosives: http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/tech/c4.html -- Greg
Criticize Israel - Get Fired
Gore Vidal once observed that thanks to the pressure applied by the Israel Lobby in the US, there is less freedom to criticize Israel in the US than there is to criticize Israel in Israel. There is no greater crime in the US right now than to hint that Israel's 52 years of state terror against the Palestinians, made possible by the United States, might have had something to do with the WTC downing and the Pentagon denting. Any such suggestion is instantly denounced as Blaming the Jews for the terrorist attacks, even if no language resembling this new favorite catch phrase of the Zionists was uttered. Tel Aviv needs a thermonuclear enema. A case in point. - ONEIDA, N.Y. (AP) -- The Oneida Daily Dispatch, after getting complaints of anti-Semitism, retracted an editorial that quoted a Pakistani as saying Jews were to blame for the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. The retraction was published Thursday on the editorial page, below a masthead that no longer contained the name of Managing Editor Jean Ryan. The Post-Standard of Syracuse reported that Ryan and City Editor Dale Seth, who wrote the Sept. 19 editorial, were fired Wednesday. Dispatch Publisher Ann Campanie would not confirm the report Friday, saying it is the paper's policy not to publicly discuss personnel matters. I am not working at the Oneida Daily Dispatch as of yesterday because of repercussions from allowing the Sept. 19 editorial to be published. I am not anti-Semitic, and anyone who knows me knows that, Ryan wrote in a statement issued Thursday. A message left Friday for the only Jean Ryan listed in the phone book was not immediately returned. Seth declined comment. The paper's three-paragraph apology said, in part, We understand that readers of the editorial found it offensive, poorly reasoned and based on flawed facts. We agree with those observations. The newspaper said it would allow a full rebuttal to be published on the editorial page in coming days. The Sept. 19 editorial quoted an unidentified Pakistani as blaming Jews for the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. The fact is that in many areas of the Middle East it is believed that history has taught them to carry out such acts, the editorial said. Until 1948, there was no Israel. The United Nations took Palestinian land and gave it to a number of Jewish terrorists to rule -- Jewish terrorists who had bombed and killed Palestinians and others in an effort to force hands of power to see an Israel formed. Today's freedom fighter, in many cases, was yesterday's terrorist. Campanie said the apology spoke for itself, and declined further comment. Community members met with Campanie and a representative of the paper's parent company, Journal Register Co., on Wednesday afternoon. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law
Re: stupid anthrax q: would microwaving your snail mail help?
on Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 07:27:18AM -0500, Jim Choate ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Karsten M. Self wrote: This suggestion turned up on Kuro5hin, a web discussion site (Slashdot's baby brother): If you want to sterilize your mail, simply place the unopened envelope on an ironing board and place a damp, thin cloth on top of it. Then iron it. Yes, iron it. Just like you would iron your pants. The damp heat will kill any bacteria, including anthrax, inside the envelope, and you will be safe. http://www.kuro5hin.org/comments/2001/10/18/44222/299/16#16 Probably more accessible to most of the population (and workplaces) than claves, pressure cookers, or irradiation equipment. Anyone have thoughts or (?) knowledge on efficacy, or guidelines on how long the heating should last for decontamination? Sounds like somebody doesn't do their own washing/ironing :) I bathe regularly. All else is gloss. The steam in an iron doesn't get anywhere that hot, it'd ruin the clothes. /me retreats to iron w/ thermometer. Black and Decker Light 'n' Easy iron, cotton dishtowl (folded quarto), Good Cook dial thermometer inserted under top fold. With four minutes' preheat, temperature is off the scale (220°F), extrapolating, it looks to be 270°-280°F. After about two minutes, there's a slight yellowing of the dishtowel. Also an iron will have steam escaping around the edges (when you hit the steam button especially) and this has the potential to spread un-heated spores into the atmosphere. The filtration offered by an envelope and moistened towel should minimize this. References online suggest that claving cycles are ~2h at 140°C+. A WHO document on animal carcass processing suggests rendering cycles range from 10-60 minutes, though whether or not this is sufficient to disinfect the carcasses isn't clear from a quick read. http://www.who.int/emc-documents/zoonoses/docs/whoemczdi986.html I'd say that for paranoics with a low risk threshhold, ten minutes of steam might provide some assurance. And neatly creased correspondence. It's a bit hard on the pre-approved credit cards though. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ Land of the free Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html PGP signature
Looking for news
Was I hearing things or did China stop issuing visas for people from 22 middle eastern countries? Thought I heard it, can't find it. Mike
Re: Looking for news
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was I hearing things or did China stop issuing visas for people from 22 middle eastern countries? Thought I heard it, can't find it. ISTR the same, but didn't pay much attention. Searching CNN for china visa shows an article from 10 Oct, only relating to Pakistanis in Hong Kong. Nothing worthwhile on MSNBC, same search. Sounds like someone was blowing smoke out his ass. -- Steve FurlongComputer Condottiere Have GNU, Will Travel 617-670-3793 Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly while bad people will find a way around the laws. -- Plato
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Re: stupid anthrax q: would microwaving your snail mail help?
At 03:13 PM 10/19/2001 -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: /me retreats to iron w/ thermometer. Black and Decker Light 'n' Easy iron, cotton dishtowl (folded quarto), Good Cook dial thermometer inserted under top fold. With four minutes' preheat, temperature is off the scale (2200F), extrapolating, it looks to be 2700-2800F. After about two minutes, there's a slight yellowing of the dishtowel. Is it possible you're off by a factor of 10 here? I am very skeptical that you have an iron which heats up to 2200 or 2700 degrees Fahrenheit. I would expect a little more than a slight yellowing of the dish towel at those temperatures, unless you have asbestos dish towels you use along with your superheated iron. -- Greg Broiles [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have found and closed the thing you watch us with. -- New Delhi street kids
Re: stupid anthrax q: would microwaving your snail mail help?
on Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 03:13:02PM -0700, Karsten M. Self ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: on Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 07:27:18AM -0500, Jim Choate ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Karsten M. Self wrote: This suggestion turned up on Kuro5hin, a web discussion site (Slashdot's baby brother): If you want to sterilize your mail, simply place the unopened envelope on an ironing board and place a damp, thin cloth on top of it. Then iron it. Yes, iron it. Just like you would iron your pants. The damp heat will kill any bacteria, including anthrax, inside the envelope, and you will be safe. http://www.kuro5hin.org/comments/2001/10/18/44222/299/16#16 Probably more accessible to most of the population (and workplaces) than claves, pressure cookers, or irradiation equipment. Anyone have thoughts or (?) knowledge on efficacy, or guidelines on how long the heating should last for decontamination? Sounds like somebody doesn't do their own washing/ironing :) I bathe regularly. All else is gloss. The steam in an iron doesn't get anywhere that hot, it'd ruin the clothes. /me retreats to iron w/ thermometer. Black and Decker Light 'n' Easy iron, cotton dishtowl (folded quarto), Good Cook dial thermometer inserted under top fold. With four minutes' preheat, temperature is off the scale (2200F), extrapolating, it looks to be 2700-2800F. After about two minutes, there's a slight yellowing of the dishtowel. Above mistranslates ISO-8859-1 encoded \260 (octal), the degree sign, as a zero. Temperatures should read 220 F, 270 F, and 280 F, not thousands of degrees. -- Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ Land of the free Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html PGP signature
Re: Explosives found at Greyhound bus terminal: cube law
At 05:27 PM 10/19/01 -0400, Greg Newby wrote: How much damage could about 6 ounces of C4 do? What do you want to do? [1] Breach a wall: P=R^3KC P=pounds TNT R=breaching radius in feet, rounded to next higher 1/2 ft K=material factor -earth is 0.05, weaker construction 0.25, reinforced concrete 0.70 if under 3 feet C-4 (typ. 90% RDX) is about 1.3 x as effective as TNT. Detonating cord has about 50 grn/ft PETN. [1] FM-25, Dept of the Army, May 1967 Modulo (nonexistant) tamping. Lots of fragments, though.
Slashdot | Desktop Biodetectors
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Inflation
Greg Broiles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : At 03:13 PM 10/19/2001 -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: /me retreats to iron w/ thermometer. Black and Decker Light 'n' Easy iron, cotton dishtowl (folded quarto), Good Cook dial thermometer inserted under top fold. With four minutes' preheat, temperature is off the scale (2200F), extrapolating, it looks to be 2700-2800F. After about two minutes, there's a slight yellowing of the dishtowel. Is it possible you're off by a factor of 10 here? I am very skeptical that you have an iron which heats up to 2200 or 2700 degrees Fahrenheit. I would expect a little more than a slight yellowing of the dish towel at those temperatures, unless you have asbestos dish towels you use along with your superheated iron. -- Greg Broiles [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have found and closed the thing you watch us with. -- New Delhi street kids Kind of like using one of those ugly red lab hot air guns to dry your hair, eh? Definitely an honest mistake. Unlike the numbers quoted for available doses of smallpox vaccine which have risen steadily from 3M to 10M as time has passed. Standing in line for vaccination - would you like yours straight up or with soda. They prosecute people for diluting pharmaceuticals don't they? Numbers bloat not quite as outrageous as the US casualty estimates that were part of the decision making process for whether to invade Japan or drop Uranium on it which started out as 10K and reached 1M by the time public statements were issued. Bye, I have to drive 300 miles home now, or is that 3000 miles? and there are over a gazillion cars on the road. 10^53768904523 Regards, m
Re: What info does Zero Knowledge collect on users of Freedom 3.0?
Let me try give some more details behind this. The idea was to create separate modules that can be separately shipped and sold. Freedom 3.0 privacy security tools is the first of those. It has a subset of the functions in freedom 2.2 (cookie management etc), but some of those functions have new features or have been improved. Declan's interivew with Austin and Ian's comments on slashdot and here cover the aspect of the story that the current freedom network which was the support infrastructure behind the anonymous browsing and mail part of Freedom 2.2 was decomissioned. Other consumer software related plans are not public. Adam On Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 02:36:00AM -0700, Declan McCullagh wrote: They're pulling the plug on the Freedom anon-network. They're now using the name Freedom 3.0 to refer to a different, new product that does stuff like cookie blocking. -Declan At 11:18 PM 10/18/01 -0700, John Kozubik wrote: Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't this a moot point ? I was under the impression that ZKS was going to pull the plug sometime in the very near future.
Re: Critize Israel - Get Fired
Eric lisped: Tel Aviv needs a thermonuclear enema. Hey fag boy, we know why you love them ragheads -- a-rabs being known for a preference for buttfucking each other and especially them sweet young boys.
China curbs airline ticket sales to Muslim countries
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China - China adjusts visa policy, denies restricting ticket sales
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Steve Jackson Games Daily Illuminator: The Best Defense Is Not To Have Any Enemies
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Re: Retribution not enough
At 05:24 PM 10/19/2001 -0400, someone wrote: Retribution will satisfy our need for justice, but it won't make us safer from terrorism. The terrorists have told us why they attacked America. There are three reasons. Hint: it's not because we're wealthy and good. If you read the CP archives a bit you'll see I am not clueless in this regard (e.g., the America need therapy thread) I fear the maxim Pride goeth before the fall may well be nailed to our country's headstone. We have failed to heed George Washington's advice to avoid entangling foreign alliances. We will only be safer if we heed his advice. The direction of all recent administrations has been to expand globalization (i.e., interdependency) thus increasing economic risks and narrowing diplomatic choices. In the short term, and we have no idea what the long term consequences will be, globalization as its now practiced has is some ways behaved similarly to welfare state income redistribution, creating dependencies, poverty and resentment. Thanks for the link to the funny song, though. Da nada
Re: Criticize Israel - Get Fired
Nomen the Nitwit wrote: Hey fag boy, we know why you love them ragheads -- a-rabs being known for a preference for buttfucking each other and especially them sweet young boys. This isn't about fondness for Arabs, nor about discriminating against people because of their choice of religion. It's about behavior. Israel's destruction has been earned many times over by Israel's behavior. There are no civilians in Israel. Not even the babies. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law
Re: Inflation
on Fri, Oct 19, 2001 at 04:41:28PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Greg Broiles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : At 03:13 PM 10/19/2001 -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: /me retreats to iron w/ thermometer. Black and Decker Light 'n' Easy iron, cotton dishtowl (folded quarto), Good Cook dial thermometer inserted under top fold. With four minutes' preheat, temperature is off the scale (2200F), extrapolating, it looks to be 2700-2800F. After about two minutes, there's a slight yellowing of the dishtowel. Is it possible you're off by a factor of 10 here? I am very skeptical that you have an iron which heats up to 2200 or 2700 degrees Fahrenheit. I would expect a little more than a slight yellowing of the dish towel at those temperatures, unless you have asbestos dish towels you use along with your superheated iron. -- Greg Broiles [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have found and closed the thing you watch us with. -- New Delhi street kids Kind of like using one of those ugly red lab hot air guns to dry your hair, eh? Definitely an honest mistake. As previously posted, an iso-8859-1 to ASCII encoding error. The degree symbol was converted to a zero. Divide values by 10. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of Gestalt don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ Land of the free Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature]
Slashdot | SSSCA Hearing October 25th: Free Software Threatened
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U.S. Government Shouldn't Insure Airlines
U.S. Government Shouldn't Insure Airlines Penelope Patsuris, Forbes.com, 10.19.01, 9:00 AM ET NEW YORK - When government interferes with private markets, unintended and undesirable consequences always result. http://www.forbes.com/2001/10/19/1019airinsurance.html
Assasinating larry
Did you take your meds today? On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, mattd wrote: Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 19:42:46 +1000 From: mattd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CDR: Assasinating larry www.indymedia.org today proffr1 is clearly the victorian police... Larry Ellison Will Die (english) by Reg 10:59pm Wed Oct 17 '01 I have an idea that I don't have the resources to put into place. Feel free to pick it up if you do. It is a website called www.lewd.org Larry Ellison Will Die. It is a dead pool website where people can place bets on when Larry Ellison will die. This not advocating his death. It is not threatening him. It is not Larry Ellison Must Die. After all, we all will die and so will Larry Ellison. So why don't we track his movements and wait for him to die. It could be a heart attack on the golf course. Maybe he gets swept away to sea on a yacht. Perhaps a CIA or FBI agent sees an opportunity to cash in and has him offed. Feel free to take it and run with it. Copyleft. Hasnt silly con valley been 'dusted'yet? (english) by proffr1@etc 11:03pm Wed Oct 17 '01 Operation softdrill has nominated larry and scott mc mealy mouthed for infinite justice.Evil is patient. Pork futures dictate that this message may not be kosher. The threat to your liberties is verifiable. the threat is real. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Re: Expert Warns Coded Pictures Indicate Al Qaeda Planning Major Biological Attack
I disagree on a few of his interpretations.. I actually see 3 smoking towers when he claims only two and that they represent the WTC towers.. He then also claims one of the images represents the pentagon but I don't see anything there that does.. However I do see bldgs that represent other government facilties. The man on the horse does not really resemble a pilot at all to me nor do I believe that the painter meant it to be.. I do believe the painting depicts america and the smoke stacks representing either industry or just maybe even our image as the great polluter. These items, among others in his article, gives me great doubt that the entire piece has any real merit at all.. Jon Beets Get the latest scoop on CoS http://www.lisatrust.net http://www.xenutv.com http://www.xenu.net http://www.holysmoke.org Or try these mirrors http://lisatrust.pacer.com http://xenutv.pacer.com http://holysmoke.pacer.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 2:40 PM Subject: Expert Warns Coded Pictures Indicate Al Qaeda Planning Major Biological Attack -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- http://ebird.dtic.mil/Oct2001/s20011018expertwarns.htm DefenseWatch (SFTT.org) October 17, 2001 Expert Warns Al Qaeda Planning Major Biological Attack By Ed Offley It is becoming clearer by the day that a month after the Sept. 11 aircraft hijackings, a biological warfare attack is being launched against the United States by as-yet unknown terrorists. The discovery of anthrax in letters mailed to the office of Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, NBC and ABC, following an initial exposure at American Media International in Florida, betrays a cunning and carefully organized intent-- particularly with the discovery that the anthrax mailed to Daschles office has been found to be weapons grade material that could indeed kill hundreds if not thousands of people if released in a significant airborne plume. Is this new phase terrorism merely a crude and ineffective ploy, or the harbinger of even more serious danger to the nation? Nuclear physicist Robert Koontz, who has researched and tracked the al Qaeda terrorist network for several years, is warning that he has discovered evidence on the Internet that Osama bin Laden may be planning a much larger biological warfare campaign-- using more than one form of germ agent-- and is using coded illustrations to signal and direct additional sleeper agents purportedly already armed with biological weapons. Dr. Koontz has posted the coded paintings and other evidence at the following website: http://www.bringmenews.com/Messages/National_Security/Alerts/Alert_003.htm Dr. Koontz revealed this disturbing information in an interview with DefenseWatch, on Tuesday after what he described as a frustrating inability to persuade federal officials to take the information seriously. The interview transcript is reproduced in full below. Interview with Dr. Robert Koontz DefenseWatch: How did you first become aware of the art? Let me begin by saying that I was following cyber-tracks of Ahmed Alghamdi, one of the lesser known terrorists aboard flight No. 175 that crashed into the South Tower of the World Trade Center. In doing this detective work, I came across Alghamdis name posted on a fan club that was started by a Bahraini pilot. So, I found the name Ahmed Alghamdi, I found an e-mail address for Alghamdi, and I found the names and web sites of numerous other people, many of whom had names of Middle Eastern origin. But that in itself was not surprising given that the web site is a fan club for a Middle Eastern singer. Nevertheless, my initial (intuitive) reaction was that I might have come across an al Qaeda communications node, and I now know that to be at least partly true. Having decided that I might have come across an al Qaeda communications node, I began looking at the web sites of all those who had posted their URLs on the fan club web site. After carefully looking at a few of the posted web sites, I noted that a man by the name of Muzaffar Wandawi identified himself as an Iraqi living in Amsterdam. The fact that he stated that he is an Iraqi drew my immediate attention, for it is well known that there is possible Iraqi involvement in the terrorist attack of Sept. 11. But that was not taken to be anything more than circumstantial. DefenseWatch: Please describe how you became suspicious that the images themselves might be the messages/instructions. When examining this mans art, I found it to be disturbing, but I did not at first think that it was suspicious--until I came upon the picture labeled Downfall. In that picture, Wandawi clearly showed two towers burning, and there appeared to be a picture of the smoking Pentagon just to the right of that image. Then there was a man riding on what appeared to be an Arabian horse, and the man appeared to be dressed like
Re: Your papers please
On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Tim May wrote: Personally, I doubt your story. Someone who does what you say was done to you has clearly earned killing. While I agree with your assessment that he has earned killing, I do not see how my failure to kill him earns doubt - one does not necessarily follow the other (in the real world anyway - the ideal world is something completely different). I did not, and likely will never have the opportunity to kill the bastard. Nevertheless, this was a very radicalizing event in my life, and was the foundation upon which many of my future incidents were based. In a way, the guy did me a favor: he permanently opened my eyes to the Real World. His reward, and society's reward, is that I am now a fervently anti-government/anti-LEO prick, who will never again work within the system (or for that matter, do anything to assist it in any way, shape, or form). I firmly believe that he and his ilk will get the killing they so richly deserve when enough people finally wake up and form a [political] critical mass. Until then, I choose not to take the lone-gunman approach - yes, I am a pussy :-( --Tim May -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Re: CDR: Re: Who represents the detained? Nobody...
On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Optimizzin Al-gorithm wrote: Everyone seems to have forgotten about NYPD's fondness for plungers up the butt, or perforating immigrants offering their wallet. Maybe a building falling on them was Infinite Justice. No, it was very limited justice: the towers missed the vast majority of the cocksuckers in blue. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
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Re: AG on spotting terrorists in our midst
On Friday, October 19, 2001, at 12:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.cnn.com/2001/HEALTH/conditions/10/18/ashcroft.tips/index.html 4. Someone who appears to be concealing something or attempting to put something over on somebody Does this mean that witholding your zipcode from the overinquisitive sales clerk will get you on a list? Any attempts at opacity will be punished! Sounds pretty fucking stupid, but then, what do you expect from the guy? I used to live in a neighborhood where at least 20% of males between 15 30 of people would meet most of these conditions. Left unstated is: 8. Watch for people meeting any of the above conditions and who appear to be from the Middle East or who may be a Muslim.
