Re: SF BAY CPUNK call for volunteer lecturers
I am interested in discussing further. Please respond to this list in encrypted PGP email to the following key: Nothing here is secret. The goal is just to provide certain anonymity to those that may wish it. I cannot authenticate you and therefore secret communication makes no sense (and you could be Gordon and messaging to your private key has same legal consequences as e-mailing directly to you, soliciting you to commit a crime ... is teaching crypto a crime yet ?) We* plan to start 3-5 weeks from now. The event will be a series of 2-hour afternoon/evening sessions, with computer video projector and a whiteboard. The goal is to enable typical crypto-illiterate computer users to use PGP and disk encryption software. CDs with free crypto software will be distributed to those that swear that they are US subjects (we plan to make it requirement for all attendees - the aim is to educate, not to challenge laws.) There will probably be 3 sessions - introduction, demonstration, hands-on with Q A. All suggestions welcome. * we is a figure of speech, there are no official organisers
Re: More Codex Docs
John Young wrote: A PowerPoint presentation on H.O.P.E. was among the latest: Worth getting just for those sexy-hype-gifs alone... Surely it's d4 \/\/4r3Z 3|V|p1R3 though. I'm afraid, anyway. Pesky punk terrorist paedophile piraters. Stop pointing your leet hacker death rays at me! The HOPE program itself was not leaked, but perhaps will be in the future. Mainly what a HOPE-rigged server does is conceal a DIRT tracking and reporting bug in deliberately publicized documents with snoop-appeal, called dangles, to ensnare the unwary and to trace the distribution of the dangles as well as to assign an ID to every machine that handles the docs. [...] As anonymous noted, a fair amount of the material seems designed to exploit the gullible, with a fully panoply of security scare stories and promises of products to deal with any wet dream of intelligence and law enforcement for ballooning budgets and preparing plans for defending against imaginary enemies. Pretty well emulating the digital security market as if Codex was avidly reading this list. Without dismissing the validity of the leaked code entirely... But an interesting proposition. Some quick thoughts on the possible origins and reasons for disclosure... Case 1; the archives are from an old repository of marketing bumph - a directory used by, say, Terrance L Knawles as a store for external yet confidential documents - press releases, financial reports, fancy slideshows and product demos. Possible sources are internal employees disgruntled by the company/management that have discovered old material, or morally-justified hackers playing Codex at their own game. The former is backed up by the reputation and public portrayal of Frank Jones, the latter by the (superficial, at least) seeming absence of technical presentation or knowledge in any of the witnessed documentation (again, I have not run the executables, so am reluctant to comment on them) or associated resources (see website constructed by monkey on remote-access riddled Mac server). Outcome - CDS discredited yet further, world saved. Case 2; the archives are from an old respository of since-expired and/or worthless and/or superceded documents, agreements, reports and programs. To stir up some business, CDS (ignoring possible Baiting tactics, although the irony is almost unbearable) decides to use the established information dissemination network to make DIRT and HOPE household names. After all, people buy things simply if they've heard a name before, no matter the context. In addition to increased sales and interest, CDS can monitor industry speculation as to current technology/possible implementations (of bugs, HOPE, DIRT v3.0, etc) - minimal effort RD, effectively. Outcome - HOPE becomes a reality in some aspects, or under some governments. Without further, more recent evidence, it is hard to have much faith in case 1. As a note, the apparent lack of bugs within released docs should not be taken for granted in any repetitions. I suspect CDS would have been watching the spread of the first lot with interest, bugged or not. Both technically and politically, little has been gained from the material seen. However, one would hope that the cat is partially out of the bag, and that material worthy of discussion would be released soon, to fly in the face of the powerpoint propaganda. Maybe it's time to dust off my video of Hackers, jack-in to the cyberunderground and go hunt some orc.
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[Reformatted] Reichstag Anthrax Theatre: BBC on CIA
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Major Variola ret) writes: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/audiovideo/programmes/newsnight/archive/newsid_1873000/1873368.stm A Newsnight investigation raised the possibility that there was a secret CIA project to investigate methods of sending anthrax through the mail which went madly out of control. The shocking assertion is that a key member of the covert operation may have removed, refined and eventually posted weapons-grade anthrax which killed five people. In the wake of Sept 11th, the anthrax attacks caused panic throughout the States and around the world. But has the FBI found the whole case too hot to handle? Our science editor Susan Watts reported from Washington. snip
Re: fractional reserve banking as economic parasitism
On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://econwpa.wustl.edu/eprints/mac/papers/0203/0203005.abs would be interested in any feedback. due to the contents, am also attempting to maximize its exposure, please help me spread the word. Somehow I can't escape the feeling that you're taking the parasite analogy a bit too seriously. Especially in the context of fractional-reserve banking -- the problems I see with that system boil down to: -government licencing of banking operations, limiting competition and efficiency -the shedding of risks to central banks or inadequate knowledge of the risks on behalf of the depositors, inviting malinvestment -inadequate propagation of information on actual risks when loans are reinvested as deposits, again a cause for malinvestment If depositors are fully aware of the risks they're taking, and actually have to carry them, I see no reason why deposits couldn't be seen as a straight-forward extension of other means of investment. In such conditions, I'd say fractional-reserve free banking is *quite* possible, and certainly shouldn't be equated with parasitism. Rather, it seems more like an eminently usable hybrid of private investment and insurance. Sampo Syreeni, aka decoy - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], tel:+358-50-5756111 student/math+cs/helsinki university, http://www.iki.fi/~decoy/front openpgp: 050985C2/025E D175 ABE5 027C 9494 EEB0 E090 8BA9 0509 85C2
Ok, I give.
Signal to noise ratio unacceptable even from lne.com (once the only reason c'punks was bearable). Between Major Areola's altered and tainted news stories, the slew of reformatted repeats of the AP wire, the return of the three blithering idiots who started wasting all our time back in 1998 or so and, of course, the 30 addresses of that moron Choate... my filters can't keep track anymore and something like 40 messages a day are ending up in the trash to perhaps 2 which actually hit my inbox (and usually prompt the creation of a new filter). Nah, that's about it for awhile. I think it's time for yet another break from c'punks- unless someone can tell me where I can find a decent moderated node. If so mail me directly (thanks). I'm unsubscribed. -uni
Assassinating larry slight return.
Has anyone killed larry yet? my 2$. Oracle profits drop Michael Liedtke in San Francisco MARCH 15, 2002 ORACLE has reported another disappointing quarter, amplifying concerns that the stumbling software giant might not regain its footing as quickly as the rest of the industry...More at http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,3955595%5E15316%5E%5Enbv%5E15306,00.html 1857 address Douglass proclaims (quote): If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, yet deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did it never will.
Re: CDR: Jim Darling Stop bending the truth
On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, [iso-8859-1] jill jill wrote: Jim Darlig Why do you lie,Vulis was a problem like you are. Sandy started to moderate,but that fell by the wayside But the list at TOAD.COM.kept going and going. Only because he was too lazy to carry through with this threat to close it. He admitted this himself, just ask him. Jim Darling you act like a spoilt stupid little boy when the feds came you tried to blame all of us. Liar. John and Decland spent their own time money to help the list members,you ran away singing to the feds. grow up. Liar. -- Are we to have a censor whose imprimatur shall say what books shall be sold and what we may buy? Thomas Jefferson [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.open-forge.org
Re: gods
On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, matthew X wrote: Now choates claims he stared this list. Liar, only claimed to help keep it alive while others tried to kill it. Where were you again? You run which node? Pah. You're insecurity is showing...and that's funny. -- Are we to have a censor whose imprimatur shall say what books shall be sold and what we may buy? Thomas Jefferson [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.open-forge.org
NSW net censorship It is just not going to work.
Public eyes censorship plans Karen Dearne MARCH 13, 2002 NSW plans to censor the internet have been under scrutiny during two days of public hearings in Sydney. The Standing Committee on Social Issues is inquiring into whether the Classification Enforcement Amendment Bill provides an effective and enforceable way to regulate online material. But a number of industry and consumer groups warned that the proposed legislation discriminates against material published online and was unworkable. Australian Computer Society vice-president Phillip Argy said the NSW legislation went much further than the federal model legislation. This criminally prohibits the making available of matter that would be classified as objectionable or unsuitable for minors, basically without exception, Mr Argy said. It's like saying, you cannot make this material available to adults in NSW in case children get to see it. Electronic Frontiers Australia executive director Irene Graham said the Bill tried to force internet content into a regime designed for the commercial sale and distribution of movies, videos and games. The internet is not a movie, it is not a computer game and it is nothing like television, she said. It is just not going to work. The legislation treated people using the internet quite differently, less fairly and less justly under criminal law than that applicable to speech and distribution of information offline. There is a vast amount of material that this Bill can catch, she said. This is going to cover actual discussions in chatrooms and on email lists. We are especially concerned about what is, in effect, a complete ban on information that would be classified as 'R' rating. Office of Film and Literature Classification director Des Clark said he was unaware of any censorship board anywhere having regulated the internet. He agreed that such legislation would be ground-breaking. Computer games were not widely regulated worldwide, he said, but they are in Australia. Arts Law Centre of Australia legal officer Elizabeth Beal was concerned that an authorised officer could deem content offensive and issue a penalty notice, given the complexity and subjective nature of censorship matters. Although a defendant issued with one of these notices can elect to go to court, that involves considerable inconvenience and cost to obtain advice, not to mention fear and humiliation, she said. Internet Industry Association chief executive Peter Coroneos said the IIA was totally committed to helping families manage internet content so that children were not exposed to inappropriate material. But in the case of pornography, where so much of the material is created and posted by people outside Australia, passing legislation will do nothing more than show the community you are concerned about the issue, he said. The hearings took place last week. The committee is due to report to the NSW Parliament by June 7. FROM http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,3942637%5E15319%5E%5Enbv%5E15306,00.html Kill them all and let satan sort them out.
Indian government closes down cellphone messaging for rioters
http://www.cellular-news.com/story/6129.shtml A total of 8_000 preventive arrests were made during last Friday in Mumbai_ the financial center of India_ the Press Trust of India (PTI) reported_ quoting Joint Commissioner of Police (law and order) V.N. Deshmukh. As a result_ the local cellphone networks were asked to disable their SMS service during the day to help reduce social unrest. The SMS service in the city was shut down following a directive received from police commissioner M.N. Singh_ which blamed malcontents for using the SMS service to arrange illegal demonstrations. Both Orange and BPL Mobile blocked their SMS service from 11.30 am to 6 pm_ although it is not clear if MTNL complied with the instruction. No users within the Mumbai license area were able to receive or send SMS's during the day and any attempt got an error message. BPL Mobile did send out a broadcast message to its subscribers warning them of the block however. There is ethic unrest in the city between Hindus and Muslims over plans to build a Hindu temple on the site of a demolished Muslim Mosque in the holy town of Ayodhya. Posted to the site on 18-Mar-2002
Ok, I give.
I'm only up to early 98 but it was obvious then what a fucking dud you were.good riddance asshole,dont let the door... You don't have to be a man to fight for freedom. All you have to do is to be an intelligent human being.Malcom by any memes necessary,X.
Detweiller writes a money-crank paper...
Yeah, I know, pot-kettle-black. :-). For those who *don't* know, and it seems like there a lot who don't these days, Lance Detweiller is a famous net.loon, then from Colorado, who infested the cypherpunk list in its early years with paranoiac screeds about evils of anonymity and pseudonymity. He was more or less kicked off the list by court-order -- we'll pause here for the irony impaired to get the joke -- in 1994/5 or so. Googling cypherpunks and detweiller will keep you entertained, or at least emeticized, for hours. Now, Lance, in his current guise as vznuri (V.Z. Nuri = visionary, get it? hyuk!, or, as Lance would put it, tee hee), uncorks a screed on money and the evils of fractional reserve banking. He also seems to throw in a gas-law or two, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Labor Theory of Value is in there somewhere, for good measure. I would have missed it because I've killfiled him, but Leitl zinged it to the cpunx-news list, and I'm a sucker for punishment, I guess. At least he had the sense to put it in pdf and stick it on the web. In the old days, he'd have zinged the whole damn thing to cypherpunks, or someplace. ;-). It makes me wonder what Washington University in St. Louis has come to these days, and the 6-week compulsively bit I have no problem believing at all. Here's hoping he's taken a bath since. Sigh... Cheers, RAH -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA ... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Re: PILLS SIDE AFFECTS AND ME
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Re: gods
On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, matthew X wrote: Now choates claims he stared this list. Liar, only claimed to help keep it alive while others tried to kill it. Where were you again? You run which node? Pah. You're insecurity is showing...and that's funny. HAHAHA! Good one 'matt'.
RE: Cyber war
Jim: Do you really think articles from a humor magazine are of any interest? -- From: Jim Choate[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2002 7:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Cyber war http://www.theonion.com/onion3809/gulf_war_2.html
Re: Jim Darling Stop bending the truth
Jim Darling you act like a spoilt stupid little boy when the feds came you tried to blame all of us. Liar. John and Decland spent their own time money to help the list members,you ran away singing to the feds. grow up. Liar. You will have to answer for CJ,jimmy.I promise you. It's time to take anarchies seriously,as the solon said, the truth comes out by hammer blows, not sweettalk.
[retraction] RE: Cyber war
Sorry Jim: Clearly mattd is pissing where we drink again Peter Trei -- From: Jim Choate[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2002 7:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Cyber war http://www.theonion.com/onion3809/gulf_war_2.html
Re: Copyleft vs. Copyright: A Marxist critique
On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Jim Choate wrote: On Fri, 15 Mar 2002, matthew X wrote: the stomach to wade through all the marxist shite around,glad you have time on your hands. I don't have 'time on my hands' I'm just hyperactive and only sleep about 4-6 hours a day. I also happen to read like a screaming deamon. That explains why you live inChoate' most of the time, instead of reality. IMHO, you'd probably do better at getting that sleep by cutting down on the caffeine intake, and failing that a few beers or a nice fifth... It does wonders for the brain to get a good night's sleep. You'll find that you won't halucinate quite as much once you get 7-8 hours of sleep a night. As for your speed reading skills, my hat goes off to you. :)
Sacred bull test
A funny political commentary disguised as a test. http://www2.mo-net.com/~nixit/poltest.html steve
Insight on the News Email Edition
Well, not really. That's because we had a double issue last week, which carries into this week. The good news is that our double issue won't affect Daily Insight one lick. On a daily basis we will continue to mix breaking news and commentary from Insight writers. A for the print edition, well, that just means you get to read it a little bit closer. Here's the table of contents again: This Week's Table of Contents http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm?include=detailstoryid=207288 With all this discussion about Iraq in the news, be sure not to miss Ken Timmerman's look at Iran: The Truth About Iran http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm?include=detailstoryid=217797 And we're still having fun with the Pentagon's Torie Clarke, the spokeswoman who refuses to answer our questions: Day 18: Where's Torie? http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm?include=detailstoryid=218416 I'll keep you posted of any developing stories throughout the week. Hans Nichols on-line editor, Insight Magazine [EMAIL PROTECTED] You have received this newsletter because you have a user name and password at Insight on the News. To unsubscribe from this newsletter, visit http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm?include=unsubscribe;. You may also log into Insight on the News and edit your account preferences on the Web. If you have forgotten or don't know your user name and password, it will be emailed to you after visiting the following link: http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm?include=emailPasswordserialNumber=16oai891z5[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SF BAY CPUNK call for volunteer lecturers
Nothing here is secret. The goal is just to provide certain anonymity to those that may wish it. Exactly. I cannot authenticate you and therefore secret communication makes no Nor can I authenticate you. I have no idea if you are the original anonymous poster, nor do I know that you are really what you claim to be. sense (and you could be Gordon and messaging to your private key has same legal consequences as e-mailing directly to you, soliciting you to commit a crime ... is teaching crypto a crime yet ?) It does make sense that I would wish to communicate in secret -- it allows for more freedom in the exchange of information between us. In chosing this particular forum for holding this discussion, you have guaranteed that many people who might otherwise be willing to respond to such a solicitation are unwilling to reveal themselves. Saying fuck you to the silent watchers is easy if you're anonymous. Alas, it looks like we'll be doing this the hard way... The event will be a series of 2-hour afternoon/evening sessions, with computer video projector and a whiteboard. The goal is to enable Who is funding this? Are these sessions free? typical crypto-illiterate computer users to use PGP and disk encryption software. CDs with free crypto software will be distributed to those that swear that they are US subjects (we plan to make it requirement for all attendees - the aim is to educate, not to challenge laws.) What laws would you be challenging? Teaching classes on PGP to citizens of countries to which PGP can be legally exported shouldn't be challenging anything. It appears that you think you are doing something far more naughty than you really are.
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Information about your website/East Bay Technologies
In searching for multimedia-content and multimedia related websites/content we recently came across your site CDR: American Death - http://w8n.koeln.ccc.de/~drt/mailarchive/cypherpunks/Week-of-Mon-20010402/011662.html, and wanted to let you know it (a link to your page -similar to a search engine) has been included in our search engine. This database/search engine can be searched using MediaGrab!, a new type of search engine program that we have developed for searching for multimedia files and websites. This is not from an email list so you will not receive another email. East Bay Technologies http://www.eastbaytech.com
Information about your website/East Bay Technologies
In searching for multimedia-content and multimedia related websites/content we recently came across your site CDR:RE: Are you serious about... - http://w8n.koeln.ccc.de/~drt/mailarchive/cypherpunks/Week-of-Mon-20010423/012737.html CDR:The Latest News from the King of Pop! - http://w8n.koeln.ccc.de/~drt/mailarchive/cypherpunks/Week-of-Mon-20010813/019529.html, and wanted to let you know it (a link to your page -similar to a search engine) has been included in our search engine. This database/search engine can be searched using MediaGrab!, a new type of search engine program that we have developed for searching for multimedia files and websites. This is not from an email list so you will not receive another email. East Bay Technologies http://www.eastbaytech.com
Learn to place 20-30 people in your group per day 4478iBKj7-563al13
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Re: SF BAY CPUNK call for volunteer lecturers
Replying to the relevant stuff: Who is funding this? Are these sessions free? Sessions are free. Venue is *supposed* to be donated/secured for free. I will know more in a week. Are you interested in lecturing and on what subject ?
Army chooses MIT to help create the new nano-equiped U.S. soldier
ARMY CHOOSES MIT TO HELP CREATE THE NEW, NANO-EQUIPPED U.S. SOLDIER By Candace Stuart Small Times Senior Writer March 13, 2002 Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), a research university with small tech expertise and a history of developing technologies for the military, will receive $10 million annually for the next five years to turn nanotechnology into useful products for the United States Army. The U.S. Army selected MIT on Wednesday to create the Institute for Soldier Nanotechnologies (INS). The university-affiliated research center will focus on potential military applications ranging from lightweight, bulletproof uniforms to wearable health-monitoring sensors. The award allows MIT, based in Cambridge, Mass., to collaborate with industrial partners such as DuPont and Raytheon Co. as well as physicians from Massachusetts General Hospital and Brigham and Womens Hospital. More at http://www.smalltimes.com/document_display.cfm?document_id=3264 steve
Re: PILLS SIDE AFFECTS AND ME
And what is the CACL theory? I'm still waiting for you to post that one. --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :aren't security. A |share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ --*--:camera won't stop a |monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :masked killer, but |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :will violate privacy|site, and you must change them very often. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sunder.net On Sun, 17 Mar 2002, Jim Choate wrote: On 18 Mar 2002, D.Popkin wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- It would be amusing if Eric Hughes' old dream of PGP authentication on all cypherpunks postings comes to be forced by MattX's forgeries of Choate. I look forward to the day, it would be prima facia evidence that CACL theory doesn't work. -- Are we to have a censor whose imprimatur shall say what books shall be sold and what we may buy? Thomas Jefferson [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.open-forge.org
How to deal with Jack Valenti
In honor of Saint Patrick's Day, here's a reminder that one of Ireland's other patron saints, Saint Columba, may have pioneered the anti-copyright movement way back in the sixth century (A.D. 555, to be exact): St. Columba had borrowed from the monk a fine manuscript of the Gospels, and Columba had made a copy of the borrowed book, before returning it. The monk claimed the copy also as his; the saint disputed this. His argument in defence reads not unlike the defence made by modern infringers of copyright: I confess that the book in question was copied from the manuscript of Finnen. But it was with my own industry and toil and burning of the midnight oil. And it was copied with such care that Finnen's manuscript is in no way injured by the act of copying. Moreover, my object was to preserve more surely the best parts of the book and employ them for the greater glory of God. Hence I do not admit that I have done any injury to Finnen; nor am liable for restitution, nor am at fault in any way. But Dermot, the judge, as manuscripts were then new in Ireland, had no exact precedent, and he cast about for the nearest analogy. He found the Brehon maxim, With every cow goes its calf, Le cach boin a boinin; and so his judgment was in favor of the monk, because Le cach lebar a lebran, With every book goes the young of the book. (But the saint, it is recorded, was very angry at this judgment, invoked the power of a rival chieftain against Dermot, and thrashed him well in battle.) [Wigmore, John H., _A Panorama of the World's Legal Systems_, Washington DC, 1936, p. 677] Too bad heads on a spike are out of fashion. Hush provide the worlds most secure, easy to use online applications - which solution is right for you? HushMail Secure Email http://www.hushmail.com/ HushDrive Secure Online Storage http://www.hushmail.com/hushdrive/ Hush Business - security for your Business http://www.hush.com/ Hush Enterprise - Secure Solutions for your Enterprise http://www.hush.com/ Looking for a good deal on a domain name? http://www.hush.com/partners/offers.cgi?id=domainpeople
Jim Darling you are such a foolish little boy
Jim Darling Your words the list was killed by its sponsor the next post you say he was to lazy to kill it which is it. I DID START A LIST IT WAS THIS ONE again your words John and Decland spent thir own time and money again you say this is a lie Jim darling when you are in a corner you act like a silly little boy and try to lie your way out. If you was my son I put you over my knee and spank you for lies to me On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, [iso-8859-1] jill jill wrote: Jim Darling I see you are still mad at Tim,you know Jim Darling Tim did help start the list,maybe you should go and start your own list,you could call it Jim's list. I'm not 'mad at Tim'. I just think he's a dumbass. He didn't start this list. The list he helped start was killed by its sponsor (which wasn't Tim). I did start a list, it is this one. __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com
Re: CRYPTIC SEDUCTION
On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 07:51:29PM -0800, Sandy Sandfort wrote: Cypherpunks, Because of CRYPTIC SEDUCTION's Cypherpunk connection, I thought it would be appropriate to present you with a unique opportunity. The adult film market has been flat for some period of time and I see no signs of an upturn any time soon. I'm tired of waiting for the right market and so are some of my shareholders. So we've decided to bring this chapter to a close--even at a loss--rather than drag it on any longer. So have decided to sell off the movie and dissolve the company as soon as possible. I'll add that to my list, You know the .com bubble is bursting when... -- Ginger: I'm not going to suck your dick Stanley. Cinemagoer: That's it, I want my money back!
Re: CDR: [retraction] RE: Cyber war
On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Trei, Peter wrote: Sorry Jim: Clearly mattd is pissing where we drink again Accepted, I retract my earlier reply. Have a nice day. -- Are we to have a censor whose imprimatur shall say what books shall be sold and what we may buy? Thomas Jefferson [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.open-forge.org
Worldwide Caution - Public Announcement (fwd)
-- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:54:03 -0500 From: PA List Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Worldwide Caution - Public Announcement Worldwide Caution - Public Announcement March 17, 2002 The U.S. Government continues to receive credible reports that extremist individuals are planning additional terrorist actions against U.S. interests. Such actions may be imminent and include suicide operations. We have no further information on specific targets, timing or method of attack. We remind American citizens to remain vigilant with regard to their personal security and to exercise caution. Terrorist groups do not distinguish between official and civilian targets. The March 17 attack on worshippers at the Protestant International Church in Islamabad underlines the growing possibility that as security is increased at official U.S. facilities, terrorists and their sympathizers will seek softer targets. These may include facilities where Americans are generally known to congregate or visit, such as clubs, restaurants, places of worship, schools or outdoor recreation events. Americans should increase their security awareness when they are at such locations, avoid them, or switch to other locations where Americans in large numbers generally do not congregate. American citizens may be targeted for kidnapping. In late January 2002, an American journalist was kidnapped and murdered in Pakistan. U.S. Government facilities worldwide remain at a heightened state of alert. These facilities may on occasion temporarily close or suspend public services to review their security posture and ensure its adequacy. In those instances, U.S. Embassies and Consulates will make every effort to provide emergency services to American citizens. Americans are urged to monitor the local news and maintain contact with the nearest American Embassy or Consulate. The Department will continue to develop information about potential threats to Americans overseas and to share with them credible threat information through its Consular Information Program documents. These documents are available on the Internet at http://travel.state.gov. In addition to information on the Internet, U.S. travelers may hear recorded information by calling the Department of State in Washington, D.C. at 202-647-5225 from their touch-tone telephone, or receive information by automated telefax by dialing 202-647-3000 from their fax machine. This Public Announcement - Worldwide Caution supersedes the previous Worldwide Caution of February 1, 2002 to note the imminent threat of terrorist actions which may target civilians and include suicide operations. This Public Announcement - Worldwide Caution expires on August 17, 2002. ### *** See http://travel.state.gov/travel_warnings.html for State Department Travel Warnings To change your subscription, go to http://www.state.gov/www/listservs_cms.html
Re: CDR: RE: Cyber war
Peter, A dollar short and a day late. Can you say 'spoof', no I didn't think so. Just so you know what is happening, there are at least two (and possibly three) individuals who are submitting posts as other posters. At least now you can claim a half a clue... On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Trei, Peter wrote: Jim: Do you really think articles from a humor magazine are of any interest? -- From: Jim Choate[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2002 7:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Cyber war http://www.theonion.com/onion3809/gulf_war_2.html -- Are we to have a censor whose imprimatur shall say what books shall be sold and what we may buy? Thomas Jefferson [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.open-forge.org
Re: Copyleft vs. Copyright: A Marxist critique
So that is why you had time to start this list. You and AL Gore on the web. On 18 Mar 2002 at 17:39, Jim Choate wrote: On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Sunder wrote: That explains why you live inChoate' most of the time, instead of reality. IMHO, you'd probably do better at getting that sleep by cutting down on the caffeine intake, and failing that a few beers or a nice fifth... What caffeine? I don't drink tea, coffee, or more than about 8-10 oz. of softdrink a day. Otherwise I do H2O all day. Don't even take aspirin (then again I haven't had a headache in about 20 years either). I do it the old natural way...genetics. I sleep when I'm sleepy, I don't when I'm not. Works for me. -- Are we to have a censor whose imprimatur shall say what books shall be sold and what we may buy? Thomas Jefferson [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.open-forge.org
Re: Copyleft vs. Copyright: A Marxist critique
On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Sunder wrote: That explains why you live inChoate' most of the time, instead of reality. IMHO, you'd probably do better at getting that sleep by cutting down on the caffeine intake, and failing that a few beers or a nice fifth... What caffeine? I don't drink tea, coffee, or more than about 8-10 oz. of softdrink a day. Otherwise I do H2O all day. Don't even take aspirin (then again I haven't had a headache in about 20 years either). I do it the old natural way...genetics. I sleep when I'm sleepy, I don't when I'm not. Works for me. -- Are we to have a censor whose imprimatur shall say what books shall be sold and what we may buy? Thomas Jefferson [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.open-forge.org
Re: CDR: Worldwide Caution - Public Announcement (fwd)
yawn... On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Jim Choate wrote: Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:31:10 -0600 (CST) From: Jim Choate [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CDR: Worldwide Caution - Public Announcement (fwd) -- Forwarded message -- Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:54:03 -0500 From: PA List Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Worldwide Caution - Public Announcement Worldwide Caution - Public Announcement March 17, 2002 The U.S. Government continues to receive credible reports that extremist individuals are planning additional terrorist actions against U.S. interests. Such actions may be imminent and include suicide operations. We have no further information on specific targets, timing or method of attack. We remind American citizens to remain vigilant with regard to their personal security and to exercise caution. Terrorist groups do not distinguish between official and civilian targets. The March 17 attack on worshippers at the Protestant International Church in Islamabad underlines the growing possibility that as security is increased at official U.S. facilities, terrorists and their sympathizers will seek softer targets. These may include facilities where Americans are generally known to congregate or visit, such as clubs, restaurants, places of worship, schools or outdoor recreation events. Americans should increase their security awareness when they are at such locations, avoid them, or switch to other locations where Americans in large numbers generally do not congregate. American citizens may be targeted for kidnapping. In late January 2002, an American journalist was kidnapped and murdered in Pakistan. U.S. Government facilities worldwide remain at a heightened state of alert. These facilities may on occasion temporarily close or suspend public services to review their security posture and ensure its adequacy. In those instances, U.S. Embassies and Consulates will make every effort to provide emergency services to American citizens. Americans are urged to monitor the local news and maintain contact with the nearest American Embassy or Consulate. The Department will continue to develop information about potential threats to Americans overseas and to share with them credible threat information through its Consular Information Program documents. These documents are available on the Internet at http://travel.state.gov. In addition to information on the Internet, U.S. travelers may hear recorded information by calling the Department of State in Washington, D.C. at 202-647-5225 from their touch-tone telephone, or receive information by automated telefax by dialing 202-647-3000 from their fax machine. This Public Announcement - Worldwide Caution supersedes the previous Worldwide Caution of February 1, 2002 to note the imminent threat of terrorist actions which may target civilians and include suicide operations. This Public Announcement - Worldwide Caution expires on August 17, 2002. ### *** See http://travel.state.gov/travel_warnings.html for State Department Travel Warnings To change your subscription, go to http://www.state.gov/www/listservs_cms.html -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Re: fractional reserve banking as economic parasitism
hi mr syreeni if you take a look at the paper, I cover the situations you refer to, namely free market competition of banks why it is not very workable. its true I am taking the parasite analogy quite far few are likely to take it very seriously. I dont really expect anyone to pay much attn to the paper in the short run (humans are like that..). re: your response, the problem is that banking is not a free market activity in the sense that depositors demand government bailouts if their funds are lost due to too much of a gamble on the reserves by banks. i.e. everyone pays. this can take international scale proportions with e.g. world bank or IMF. (re stiglitz accusations) not to rain on the libertarian parade, but imho this is one area that free market competition does not seem to work. it just seems to turn into competition for corruption, re: history of wildcat banks in the US. I disagree that inadequate propagation of information about risks has much to do with the problem at all. the public puts money in a bank not as a speculative activity but typically as a deposit for safekeeping. another problem, as I show in the paper, a bank that debases its own currency into a larger system is actually leveraging against all money holders in the economy, even those who do not involve themselves with that bank. gresham's law which I give some mathematical formulas for. as for fractional reserve banking, I dont think bankers actually understand the econophysics of it. mathematical analysis has never really been done from the angle I pursue. On Mon, 18 Mar 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://econwpa.wustl.edu/eprints/mac/papers/0203/0203005.abs would be interested in any feedback. due to the contents, am also attempting to maximize its exposure, please help me spread the word. Somehow I can't escape the feeling that you're taking the parasite analogy a bit too seriously. Especially in the context of fractional-reserve banking -- the problems I see with that system boil down to: -government licencing of banking operations, limiting competition and efficiency -the shedding of risks to central banks or inadequate knowledge of the risks on behalf of the depositors, inviting malinvestment -inadequate propagation of information on actual risks when loans are reinvested as deposits, again a cause for malinvestment If depositors are fully aware of the risks they're taking, and actually have to carry them, I see no reason why deposits couldn't be seen as a straight-forward extension of other means of investment. In such conditions, I'd say fractional-reserve free banking is *quite* possible, and certainly shouldn't be equated with parasitism. Rather, it seems more like an eminently usable hybrid of private investment and insurance. Sampo Syreeni, aka decoy - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], tel:+358-50-5756111 student/math+cs/helsinki university, http://www.iki.fi/~decoy/front openpgp: 050985C2/025E D175 ABE5 027C 9494 EEB0 E090 8BA9 0509 85C2
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(old note contd.) lotus-notes NSA key as PGP key
I was looking for a file in my collection of archived stuff recently and came across my attempts to reverse engineer the NSA's RSA public key out of lotus notes. I think I never did publicly post the RSA key that I found. So here it is as a PGP key, the name associated with this key in Lotus Notes visible under the debugger was: O=MiniTruth CN=Big Brother where O is X.500 naming for Organization, and CN for Common Name (the key owners name). The PGP key is: Type Bits/KeyIDDate User ID pub 760/13629D8D 1998/10/25 Director, NSA [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: 2.6.3i mQBsAzYyeuIAAAEC+LuVWM2LaDEM9zoS4x/ES9h74MT+Lri26g9PsGhPlVn2VukS PuF1YHYSw+zFgLznjDOIzyNGhFD7Z85htRGB36BHubgzGLRy/jkpq8qO5RIG/+m4 ma7OpacD79MTYp2NAAIDtB5EaXJlY3RvciwgTlNBIDxkaXJuc2FAbnNhLmdvdj4= =aoSi -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- It's a 760 bit RSA key with a public exponent of 3. I found it a little odd that it was 760 bits rather than 768 bits, but I think I got the endianness and encoding right as the number is not trivially factorizable (I left a computer running pollard-rho for a few weeks at the time and didn't come up with anything). One possible explanation for 760 bits rather than 768 bits is the 768 bit 32 bit aligned area of memory ended with with a 0 byte, and ASN.1 encoding for big integers is to include a leading 0 if the most significant bit of the number is otherwise a 1 (to prevent it being considered a negative number). I know it's not prime as it fails primality checks, but I think it's fairly unlikely is that a randomly chosen number (if there is a mistake in the reverse engineering or interpretation of the encoding) would be both composite and that hard to factor. More details about the key at: http://www.cypherspace.org/adam/hacks/lotus-nsa-key.html (A quick google shows that this was probably originally reported around Sep 99.) I wonder how many copies of export versions of lotus notes and similarly us export weakened products are still being used unknowingly by users. Adam
Re: gods
On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Mark wrote: The only thing I was responding to was your attempt to paint someone a liar by claiming you hadn't said something you had stated publicly only a day earlier. No Mark, what you DID was misconstrue. They lied, and if you support their view then you're right along with them... The original mailing list died. I created the SSZ node. Igor created algebra. The CDR is NOT the original toad.com list, was not meant to be an extension thereof either. The CDR *IS* meant for discussion of crypto, civil liberties, and economics in no particular mix. You're intentional misrepresentation of those FACTS speaks for itself. -- Are we to have a censor whose imprimatur shall say what books shall be sold and what we may buy? Thomas Jefferson [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.open-forge.org
Slashdot | 34-byte Universal Machine
http://slashdot.org/articles/02/03/18/2133207.shtml?tid=156 -- -- Are we to have a censor whose imprimatur shall say what books shall be sold and what we may buy? Thomas Jefferson [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.open-forge.org
Where to stick news items
Greetings, all, but especially the prolific forwarders of news articles and links. You may not be aware of a mailing list Eugene Leitl started, cpunx-news. It's ideal for news articles which may be of interest to c-punks but which may also just piss off readers who either don't care or have already seen them elsewhere. You can subscribe by mailing to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . The full archive is at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cpunx-news/ but the yahoogroups interface isn't too good, so you can see my archive for the past few weeks at http://208.171.236.113/cpunx-news/ . -- Steve FurlongComputer Condottiere Have GNU, Will Travel The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw
The Register - Board member sues ICANN
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/24467.html -- -- Are we to have a censor whose imprimatur shall say what books shall be sold and what we may buy? Thomas Jefferson [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.open-forge.org
Slashdot | No More Unrestricted Internet At Work
http://slashdot.org/yro/02/03/18/1652225.shtml?tid=153 -- -- Are we to have a censor whose imprimatur shall say what books shall be sold and what we may buy? Thomas Jefferson [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.open-forge.org
The Register - Canada mulls blank CDR, MP3 player tax
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/24469.html -- -- Are we to have a censor whose imprimatur shall say what books shall be sold and what we may buy? Thomas Jefferson [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.open-forge.org
Fooling Ourselves With the Help of Higher Authorities
http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-19707mar18.story?coll=la-news-science -- -- Are we to have a censor whose imprimatur shall say what books shall be sold and what we may buy? Thomas Jefferson [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.open-forge.org
Re: Two-bit gods
On Monday, March 18, 2002, at 07:49 PM, Tim May wrote: His recent claims that his new node has a different charter and different focus from past stages of the list is silly. And the discussion topics bear out my claim: the range of topics is the same as range of topics in 1998, as in 1995, and as in 1991. To be sure, some new topics arise and some old topics fade. But not because SSZ or Algebra or some other cabal decided what was appropriate and what was not. I meant to type 1992. --Tim May If I'm going to reach out to the the Democrats then I need a third hand.There's no way I'm letting go of my wallet or my gun while they're around. --attribution uncertain, possibly Gunner, on Usenet
The Ultimate Business Tax Deduction
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Cypherpunks Cabal
Actually the CDR has been very effective at keeping anybody from deciding who can and can't participate. Especially things like the list operator creating alternate lists and moderation policies at their liesure. Yeah, no policy change at all... -- Are we to have a censor whose imprimatur shall say what books shall be sold and what we may buy? Thomas Jefferson [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.open-forge.org
More shit
On 18 Mar 2002 at 21:58, Jim Choate wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/24467.html -- -- Are we to have a censor whose imprimatur shall say what books shall be sold and what we may buy? Thomas Jefferson [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.open-forge.org
JIMBO cut out the shit
On 18 Mar 2002 at 22:07, Jim Choate wrote: http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-19707mar18.story?coll=la-news-science -- -- Are we to have a censor whose imprimatur shall say what books shall be sold and what we may buy? Thomas Jefferson [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.open-forge.org
Anonymous Reformatter goes on hiatus
The Anonymous Reformatter would like to thank everyone who took the time to comment on his efforts. The Anonymous Reformatter is going on hiatus. Any further [Reformatted] postings are not the Real Thing(tm).
Re: CDR: Anonymous Reformatter goes on hiatus
On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, An Metet wrote: The Anonymous Reformatter would like to thank everyone who took the time to comment on his efforts. The Anonymous Reformatter is going on hiatus. Any further [Reformatted] postings are not the Real Thing(tm). Vacation? Who told you that you could go on vacation? -- Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place...
Kill Files, another way
Kill files is one way you can stop the stupid posts,but this does not help the list,forwarding his post back to him can do a much better job,that way he has to keep a kill file.
Re: Anonymous Reformatter goes on hiatus
Thank you kind sir. On 19 Mar 2002 at 0:22, An Metet wrote: The Anonymous Reformatter would like to thank everyone who took the time to comment on his efforts. The Anonymous Reformatter is going on hiatus. Any further [Reformatted] postings are not the Real Thing(tm).
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Re: fractional reserve banking as economic parasitism
I wandered lonely as a clone...Title :Star War Episode 2 - Attack of the Clones Genre :Dramas, Science-Fiction Fantasy MPAA Rating :Not Rated Theatrical Release :May 22, 2002 Release Company :20th Century Fox The plot of Episode II is a secret. Not a well kept one, but still a secret. If you're avoiding spoilers, here's the most you probably want to know: It takes place around 10 years after Episode I. Anakin and Padme begin to develop their relationship. We discover more about Padme's family and background. Anakin returns to Tatooine and meets up with Shmi, Watto, Owen Lars, and Beru Lars. We learn the origin of Boba Fett and Stormtroopers. Episode II reveals information about the Clone Wars mentioned in A New Hope. The film is darker than Episode I and is closer to The Empire Strikes Back.
Re: Copyleft vs. Copyright: A Marxist critique
I wandered lonely as a clone...Title :Star War Episode 2 - Attack of the Clones Genre :Dramas, Science-Fiction Fantasy MPAA Rating :Not Rated Theatrical Release :May 22, 2002 Release Company :20th Century Fox The plot of Episode II is a secret. Not a well kept one, but still a secret. If you're avoiding spoilers, here's the most you probably want to know: It takes place around 10 years after Episode I. Anakin and Padme begin to develop their relationship. We discover more about Padme's family and background. Anakin returns to Tatooine and meets up with Shmi, Watto, Owen Lars, and Beru Lars. We learn the origin of Boba Fett and Stormtroopers. Episode II reveals information about the Clone Wars mentioned in A New Hope. The film is darker than Episode I and is closer to The Empire Strikes Back.
