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[Michael Motyka]

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draconian bill with zero forethought and she has the goddamned gall to
say we should not rush to judgement. 

http://www.thehill.com/050102/patriot.shtm

I think were in a very difficult time where our national security is
threatened, said Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.). I think before
people rush to judgment on the Patriot Act we ought to have a
substantial period of time to let it sort itself out.

She is right on one point, our national security is threatened, and
stupid politicians are the primary source of that threat.

I am perenially shocked at the low standards to which we voters hold our
elected officials. I will never get over it. Never. Pardon me while I go
vomit. Again. And again...

Mike

Slashdot | Turner CEO: PVR Users Are Thieves

[Jim Choate]

http://slashdot.org/yro/02/05/02/0550214.shtml?tid=129
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RE: No Fly List abuse by U.S. Government

[Blanc]

From Tim:

: These kids and activists were by no stretch of the imagination likely to
: be carrying hijacking tools...and even if they were suspected to be
: doing so, physical searches would resolve the issue.
:
: Fuck these fascists. Fuck them dead.Fuck them all dead.  Fuck Washington
: with a 50 MT nuke, built from Progressive plans.
...



I heard the other day on Politically Incorrect that this blind old man was
pulled aside before boarding and given the full Potential Terrorist
treatment.  It was Ray Charles.

But this is actually good, right, because it will contribute toward moving
the nation to its breaking point?

  ..
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[georgemw]

Another thought that ocurred to me reading this article is that
the incentives of the people involved aren't exactly what they
appear to be.  People who make pirate boxed really don't
want to develop some device that'll give people free satellite
TV forever;  they're much better off with things as they are now,
where each time they get to keep selling news stuff.

Also, the satellite people's incentive isn't really to eliminate 
piracy. As long as pirating the system is more expensive than
buying it, they're actually better off with lots of Canadians
pirating the signals, since it increases the liklihood that
Canada will end up allowing people to view the stuff legally.

I presume both sides know this, and their policies reflect it.

George

Re: No Fly List abuse by U.S. Government

[Mike Rosing]

On Wed, 1 May 2002, Tim May wrote:

 According to The Progressive, which I assume is the same outfit that 
 published the H-bomb plans, a bunch of activists were blocked from 

yup.  I was there :-)

 traveling to D.C. for a protest march. More than just a couple, in fact. 
 This looks like exactly the kind of abuse of power we all knew the 
 watch lists and thought criminal b.s. would lead to.
 
 http://www.progressive.org/webex/wxmc042702.html
 
 
 I have no way of verifying the details, but the article suggests the 
 U.S. has used the 911 events to move headlong into a police state.

suggests is too weak.

 Fuck these fascists. Fuck them dead.Fuck them all dead.  Fuck Washington 
 with a 50 MT nuke, built from Progressive plans.

On that I can agree 100%.

Patience, persistence, truth,
Dr. mike

Re: Got carried away...

[Malcolm Carlock]

Steve Furlong wrote:
US tanks don't have built-in locks as in private autos. They have heavy
wire loops or bars and are locked with ordinary (if rather heavy-duty)
padlocks.

Speaking of securing military vehicles... I understand that most US fighter
jets are not equipped with self-starters.  This differs from, say, Sweden
and Finland, where fighters have self-starters, to facilitate quick takeoffs
from backwoods roads.

If the US were ever invaded, surely such independent operational ability
would be a good thing.

Perhaps the US has a greater fear of such vehicles going walkabout?

CNN.com - Feds plan crackdown on identity theft - May 2, 2002

[Jim Choate]

http://www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/05/02/identity.theft/index.html
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Slashdot | Wireless Registers May Expose Your Credit Card

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http://slashdot.org/articles/02/05/02/0514241.shtml?tid=172
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US colleges complain of anti-terror laws

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In a little-noticed anti-terror initiative, the George W. Bush
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foreign students from studying sensitive subjects. Educators fear
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Terry Hartle, senior vice president of the American Council on
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 The issue arose in October when Bush directed the government to
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training in sensitive areas involving the development and use of
weapons of mass destruction.

 The White House Office of Science and Technology Policy is working with
federal agencies to identify sensitive courses of study.

 A White House Fact Sheet issued with the presidential directive
ordering the studies said: A goal of the program is to prohibit the
education and training of foreign nationals who would use their training
to harm the United States and its allies.

 Academic leaders say they are being largely shut out of what has become
an internal government debate.

 They've got law enforcement agencies and national security and
intelligence agencies who want to be more restrictive, and they have
research and science and technology officials who are trying to explain
how academic research works, said George Leventhal, policy analyst with
the Association of American Universities. The group represents 63
universities heavily involved in scientific research.

 Other nations are beginning to train more of their homegrown
scientists, but the US remains a major destination for academics seeking
advanced scientific or engineering degrees. A National Science
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engineers is growing at all degree levels in America, with the highest
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Re: college roomates a national in/security threat

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Major Variola (ret) forwarded:

  The issue arose in October when Bush directed the government to
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 weapons of mass destruction.

The most horrific technology of mass destruction is in the school of
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For almost 14 years Kath Pettingill had waited for the call she always knew 
would come.
It came at 9.45pm on Wednesday. Victor Peirce was dead - shot less than 30 
minutes earlier in Bay Street, Port Melbourne, in what police suspect was a 
drug-related killing.
Peirce, his half-brother, Trevor Pettingill, and two family friends, Peter 
McEvoy and Anthony Farrell, were charged and acquitted over the 1988 
murders of two police in Walsh Street, South Yarra.
Constables Steven Tynan and Damian Eyre were ambushed when they went to a 
routine check on a stolen car on October 12. Investigators maintain the 
four killed the police as a revenge attack after Peirce's best friend, 
Graeme Jensen, was shot by armed robbery squad detectives in Narre Warren 
13 hours earlier.
Kath Pettingill has known ever since how it would all end. Without a word 
of a lie since every day since Walsh Street I have expected this to happen 
to Victor or Trevor, she said yesterday.
She is no stranger to crime, violence or grief. Two other sons, Dennis 
Allen, a man suspected of involvement in 11 deaths, and Jamie Pettingill 
died young. She had six sons and a daughter. All had criminal records.
Mrs Pettingill has drug-related convictions and at one point was the most 
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sympathy, we'll shed our own tears. I'm going to bury him in peace.
She said that although retired from crime, she would be checking with old 
contacts to see who killed Peirce. There is an old saying, You can run, 
but you can't hide.
Mrs Pettingill said her son had given up crime and had worked on the docks 
for four years to support his family.
If this had happened to Dennis (his late elder brother), well fair enough, 
but not Victor. If I had been there I would have taken a bullet for him. 
He's got kids and grandkids.
Following Walsh Street, Peirce became the man police loved to hate. After 
his Supreme Court acquittal for the Walsh Street killings, D24 broadcast a 
message, All units are warned, keep yourself in control.
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down being kicked by a group of so-called enemies, including the 
government, media and judges. One of the figures was labelled Victor Peirce.
Mrs Pettingill said that after the acquittal she believed Peirce would be 
killed by police but she accepts that he was murdered by fellow gangsters.
Last night The Age contacted police who had dealings with Peirce over the 
past 20 years. None were upset by his death.
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Wendy, who was to give key evidence against her husband. But before the 
trial she changed sides and refused to implicate Peirce. She was later 
jailed for perjury.
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Justice Frank Vincent. He was born in prison while his mother was still 
serving time.
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in the leg to assist Peirce in a bail application on compassionate grounds. 
If I wasn't pregnant it would have been all right, she said. Dennis 
would have known how to do it without doing too much damage.
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1993 maroon Commodore about 9.15pm.
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walked home just before Peirce was shot.
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day for months,  on the eve of May 1, 50,000 were already
on strike. 30,000 more swelled their ranks the next day,
bringing most of Chicago manufacturing to a standstill.
Fears of violent class conflict gripped the city. No violence
occurred on May 1 -- a Saturday -- or May 2. But on Monday,
May 3, a fight involving hundreds broke out at McCormick
Reaper between locked-out unionists  non-unionist workers
McCormick hired to replace them. The Chicago police,
swollen in number  heavily armed, quickly moved in with
clubs  guns to restore order. They left four
unionists dead many others wounded.
Angered by the deadly force of the police, a group of
anarchists, led by August Spies  Albert Parsons, called on
workers to arm themselves  participate in a massive protest
demonstration in Haymarket Square on Tuesday evening, May 4.
The demonstration appeared to be a complete bust, with only
3,000 assembling. But near the end of the evening, an individual,
whose identity is still in dispute (possibly a police agent
provocateur), threw a bomb that killed seven police 
injured 67 others.
Hysterical city  state government officials rounded up eight
anarchists, tried them for murder,  sentenced them to death.
On 11 November 1887, four, including Parsons  Spies, were
executed. All of the executed advocated armed struggle  violence
as revolutionary methods, but their prosecutors found no evidence
that any had actually thrown the Haymarket bomb. They died
for their words -- not their deeds.
250,000 people lined Chicago's street during Parson's funeral
procession to express their outrage at this gross miscarriage of
justice.
For radicals  trade unionists everywhere, Haymarket became a
symbol of the stark inequality  injustice of capitalist society.
The May 1886 Chicago events figured prominently in the decision
of the founding congress of the Second International (Paris, 1889)
to make May 1, 1890 a demonstration of the solidarity  power
of the international working class movement. May Day has been a
celebration ever since.
1890 - May Day labor demonstrations spread to 13 other
countries;
30,000 march in Chicago as the newly prominent American
Federation of Labor throws its weight behind the 8-hour day
campaign.
1891 - France: Army test their newly designed Lebels machine gun
against a peaceful May Day rally at Fourmies where women 
children were carrying flowers  palms. Casualties numbered 14
dead  40 wounded. The anarchist Ravachol bombed the Lobau
Barracks in Paris in March 1892 as retribution.
Each footstep taken in this society bristles with privileges, 
is marked with a bloodstain; each turn of the government
machinery grinds the tumbling, gasping flesh of the poor; 
tears are running from everywhere in the impenetrable night
of suffering. Facing these endless murders  continuous
tortures, what's the meaning of society, this crumbling wall,
this collapsing staircase? ...
No cry is heeded: whenever a single, louder complaint penetrates
the din of sad murmurs, the Lebels is loaded  the troops are
mobilized.
 Octave Mirbeau, Ravachol
http://burn.ucsd.edu/~mai/TEXT/mirbeau_ravachol.html
1906 - Twelve hundred members of the Iron Molders Union in
Milwaukee strike for shorter hours  a pay increase. After two
years, the strike ends in defeat.
One employer, Allis-Chalmers, will spend 21,700 dollars for the
Burr-Herr Detective Agency. What did the company get for its
money? The union reports more than 200 assaults on its members,
including union leader Peter Cramer, whose injuries kill him.
Another unionist, planted outside Burr-Herr, testifies the agency
offered him 10 dollars for each striker he beat up.
1911 - Beginning of the End?: US: Election of Socialist
governments in over 20 U.S. cities (plus Eugene Debs
gets 900,000 votes for President).
1911 - Chinese Revolution -- Sun Yat-sen becomes first president.
1916 - Chicago Herald becomes first newspaper to call the new
music Jazz.
1923 - Joseph Heller lives. American writer, gained world fame
with his satirical war novel Catch-22: to fly dangerous combat
missions is insane, but if airmen seek to be relieved for mental
reasons, the request proves their sanity.
1966 - 500,000 Vietnamese march for end of war.
1968 - France: During the traditional May Day demonstrations
fights break out around a black flag as Communists try to
exclude the anarchists from the procession.
1969 - US: 169 are convicted of trespass in the aftermath of a
student occupation at Harvard University. Cambridge,
Massachusetts.
1970 - US: ROTC (Reserve Officer Training Corp) building
ransacked, College Park, Washington 

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RE: Satellite Hacking Article Now Free

[Trei, Peter]

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  Nothing. I think that's correct. The only problem is broadcasting the 
  keys is not simple. The latest systems change keys frequently-- as 
  often as every 20 or 30 seconds I seem to remember. If you change the 
  channel, you need a new key. It's not like the old days when the key 
  changed daily or monthly.
 
 I don't know anything about anything,. but it seems to me that
 1) unless you want to have a period of static/blackness  every
 time you change channels, the system must be storing the
 keys to all channels, even if each channel is encrypted with
 a separate key.  Similarly, the system would have to broadcast
 what new keys will be in advance of the actual key changes.
 
 I'm just raving  like a lunatic here, but it seems to me that if you 
 buffer the encrypted incoming signals, you don't have to get the
 keys in anything like realtime in order to watch the programming. 
 
I've been looking into switching to DirecTV, since my local cable
monopoly (ATT Broadband) has such lousy service (their response
to the sat-tv threat is not to improve their service, but to broadcast
FUD about satellite's expense, contracts, etc).

It's my understanding that in fact, you do get a short period of
blackness when you change channels - you can't surf with any
thing like the ease you can on non-sat systems.
  
  If you have such a service broadcasting the keys, it's not too hard 
  to track you down. So I think it's not a practical solution.
  
 
 I'm pretty confident that it's possible in principle to
 broadcast anonymously using a dc 
 (dining cryptographer) network.  Maybe there's an easier way.
 
 George
 
So the DA rounds up the whole net on a conspiracy charge

  -Peter
 
 
Peter Trei

RE: No Fly List abuse by U.S. Government

[Blanc]

From Tim:

: These kids and activists were by no stretch of the imagination likely to
: be carrying hijacking tools...and even if they were suspected to be
: doing so, physical searches would resolve the issue.
:
: Fuck these fascists. Fuck them dead.Fuck them all dead.  Fuck Washington
: with a 50 MT nuke, built from Progressive plans.
...



I heard the other day on Politically Incorrect that this blind old man was
pulled aside before boarding and given the full Potential Terrorist
treatment.  It was Ray Charles.

But this is actually good, right, because it will contribute toward moving
the nation to its breaking point?

  ..
Blanc

Re: No Fly List abuse by U.S. Government

[Mike Rosing]

On Wed, 1 May 2002, Tim May wrote:

 According to The Progressive, which I assume is the same outfit that 
 published the H-bomb plans, a bunch of activists were blocked from 

yup.  I was there :-)

 traveling to D.C. for a protest march. More than just a couple, in fact. 
 This looks like exactly the kind of abuse of power we all knew the 
 watch lists and thought criminal b.s. would lead to.
 
 http://www.progressive.org/webex/wxmc042702.html
 
 
 I have no way of verifying the details, but the article suggests the 
 U.S. has used the 911 events to move headlong into a police state.

suggests is too weak.

 Fuck these fascists. Fuck them dead.Fuck them all dead.  Fuck Washington 
 with a 50 MT nuke, built from Progressive plans.

On that I can agree 100%.

Patience, persistence, truth,
Dr. mike

Re: Got carried away...

[Malcolm Carlock]

Steve Furlong wrote:
US tanks don't have built-in locks as in private autos. They have heavy
wire loops or bars and are locked with ordinary (if rather heavy-duty)
padlocks.

Speaking of securing military vehicles... I understand that most US fighter
jets are not equipped with self-starters.  This differs from, say, Sweden
and Finland, where fighters have self-starters, to facilitate quick takeoffs
from backwoods roads.

If the US were ever invaded, surely such independent operational ability
would be a good thing.

Perhaps the US has a greater fear of such vehicles going walkabout?

Feinstein Follies

[Michael Motyka]

What an dumbass Feinstein is, the House and the Senate vote in a
draconian bill with zero forethought and she has the goddamned gall to
say we should not rush to judgement. 

http://www.thehill.com/050102/patriot.shtm

I think were in a very difficult time where our national security is
threatened, said Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.). I think before
people rush to judgment on the Patriot Act we ought to have a
substantial period of time to let it sort itself out.

She is right on one point, our national security is threatened, and
stupid politicians are the primary source of that threat.

I am perenially shocked at the low standards to which we voters hold our
elected officials. I will never get over it. Never. Pardon me while I go
vomit. Again. And again...

Mike

What happens if data collection practices get regulated by the Feds

[Declan McCullagh]

it would turn out to be just like this...

May 1, 2002 Washington, DC -- The Information Technology Industry Council 
(ITI) and the Information Technology Association of America (ITAA) 
submitted joint comments today to the Defense Acquisition Regulations 
Council (DAR Council) requesting clarifications or revisions to the 
proposed rule to amend DFARS Parts 208 and 216, and the implementation of 
Section 803 of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2002. 
ITI and ITAA contend that the proposed rule reads as though it applies to 
product-like solutions and ancillary services-such as product warranties, 
equipment leases, application service provider solutions, data 
transmission-which have historically been acquired under the Federal Supply 
Schedules using the product procedures.  

Meganet VME

[Mos11BC2]

VME is so complex that I seriously doubt someone would ever be able to 
reverse engineer it.  And if they did, they would find no weaknesses.  And 
because it is one of a kind, the 25 year technology patent will protect any 
attempts to copy it.  Given what I know about the company and the algorithm, 
I am very secure in knowing that my investment is safe and will return huge 
profits.

The post on sci.crypt while it looks very impressive, doesn't mean anything.  
What it means is that VME is strong and can't be hacked.  Simple as that.  
The whole point the challenge promotes.  The decrypt engine given for the 
challenge is the engine, not a hack tool as correctly pointed out.  You need 
the correct passwords.  You will always need the correct passwords. Meganet 
did make sure that no one can win the challenge, not by encrypting random 
numbers, but by building a world class and unique algorithm.  NIST labs have 
even tipped their hat to Meganet for a great product.

The file that is encrypted is a meaningful file.  In fact it is a graphic 
file.  There is a hint for you, not that it will help.
 

Re: college roomates a national in/security threat

[Steve Furlong]

Major Variola (ret) forwarded:

  The issue arose in October when Bush directed the government to
 prohibit certain international students from receiving education and
 training in sensitive areas involving the development and use of
 weapons of mass destruction.

The most horrific technology of mass destruction is in the school of
education. I'd think the US government would encourage students from
hostile nations to study it here, then export our system of public
schooling back home. In a generation the hostile nations would be no
threat to us.

-- 
Steve FurlongComputer Condottiere   Have GNU, Will Travel

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