Re: Anonymous blogging and unlicensed medical advice.

[Steve Schear]

At 04:27 PM 12/11/2002 -0800, Bill Stewart wrote:

At 08:43 AM 12/11/2002 -0800, Tim May wrote:

On Wednesday, December 11, 2002, at 01:31  AM, Morlock Elloi wrote:
 In particular, there's a flu medicine that

doesn't leave you feeling good, but takes you from feeling awful to
feeling not so hot, which is a major improvement, at the cost of a
small amount of ipecac in the pills.


Speaking about over the counter, has anyone one the list tried Zicam cold 
remedy?  I've used it twice and all my symptoms disappeared with a few 
hours.  No cold!  Available at druggists for <$10/spray bottle (2 bottles 
for <$13 at Costco).  No need for universities and major drug companies to 
spend millions searching for what will turn out to be an expensive 
prescriptive.  Its here and now and over the counter.

steve

Re: "Satellites to challenge Pentagon Spin"

[Dan Veeneman]

At 03:13 PM 12/11/02 -0800, you wrote:

Space war already exists.  Laser blinding and buckets of
BB's will wipe out a satelite quite nicely.


You're thinking too crudely.  Imagine, if you will,
being able to control the downlink content of such
a spacecraft.

Analogous to finding an eavesdropping device in your office.
Much better to feed it false information than shut it off.


Making it
look like an accident is going to be harder, but I bet
that's coming too.


Already been done, at least to comsats.


Cheers,

Dan

Re: Anonymous blogging

[Igor Chudov]

algebra.com filters choate out completely. I also filter out a lot of
spam using spamassassin and a bunch of other tools.

igor

On Tue, Dec 10, 2002 at 07:54:20PM -0800, James A. Donald wrote:
> 
> --
> On 11 Dec 2002 at 2:40, Nomen Nescio wrote:
> > But cypherpunks isn't that great a forum for publishing
> > ideas.  Take a look at
> > http://www.inet-one.com/cypherpunks/current/maillist.html to 
> > see the unfiltered list feed.  Sure, no subscriber with half
> > a clue actually sees it like this, but that's how it looks to
> > the outside world.
> 
> In a way, Mathew's and Choate's attack upon the list has done
> us a favour.  The list is now effectively restricted to those
> with the will and ability to use filters, which raises the
> required intelligence level.
> 
> For a while Mathew kept changing his email address, which led
> me to consider hunting him down and remonstrating him in person
> on my next visit to Australia, but now he holds it constant, so
> he and Choate are only a problem for idiots.
> 
> 
> --digsig
>  James A. Donald
>  6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG
>  3zalEmgDfRHRR2dLaPYt11ySXtkp1DlrxQ7JjK3t
>  4lTIAXG7p/FelDNPyrw1C62lPQej1gALsHiPdxIbJ

Re: "Satellites to challenge Pentagon Spin"

[Mike Rosing]

On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, Dan Veeneman wrote:

> You're thinking too crudely.  Imagine, if you will,
> being able to control the downlink content of such
> a spacecraft.

But you can do that from earth, you don't need anything in space.

> Analogous to finding an eavesdropping device in your office.
> Much better to feed it false information than shut it off.

Strong crypto anyone?

> >Making it
> >look like an accident is going to be harder, but I bet
> >that's coming too.
>
> Already been done, at least to comsats.

I'd be interested in a reference for that one.  China's theft of
a crypto device is well publicized, so tapping is straight forward.
Not sure they can fake a download, but I guess if I owned a satellite
I'd be worried about the possiblity.

On another note, since the satellite data is digital, you'd want several
competing companies to feed you pictures.  Otherwise simple faking is
too easy.  So it's in everyone's interest to have multiple birds all
looking from different angles.  Rather than fighting each other by
getting in each other's way, they'd want to work together to ensure
*real* pictures are available to everyone.  Only governments would want to
destroy birds, and they'd have a hard time justifying it (unless they
were at war with corporations, and unlikely scenario in todays facist
world).

Patience, persistence, truth,
Dr. mike

Re: Anonymous blogging,

[Matthew X]

>>> a man who hasn't yet thought of *any* American city he wouldn't really 
rather see nuked until it glowed <<<

I thought it was just one with the really large african-american population?

>>>-- or any cop car he wouldn't throw rocks at. <<<

Well if that's true,he doe's have a good side then. :)

>>> Who's finally figured out it's something really trivial; it's just a 
good ole boy lost-the-plantation-to-the-carpetbaggers Ol' Virginny cavalier 
thang, right down to the mock ebonics, the horror of miscegenation, the 
delusions of class and pretensions of honor <<<

Now we are getting warm and close to something detracting from crytoanarchy.
Racism and Revenge...not a good look Mong,lucky the chowderhett balances 
things:)

Now to a real fissured ceramic,jamesd...

>>>In a way, Mathew's and Choate's attack upon the list has done us a 
favour. The list is now effectively restricted to those with the will and 
ability to use filters, which raises the required intelligence level. <<<

Choate may be attacking this list.I am not,I stand ready to contribute to 
the Shoat dead pool.(and jamesd of course.my 2c)

>>> For a while Mathew kept changing his email address, <<<

Umm,the police from your country have to take a little credit there.The 
FBI.I notice that they never bother you.

>>> which led me to consider hunting him down and remonstrating him in 
person on my next visit to Australia,<<<

HaHAHA! Thanks mate,I needed a good laugh. You cant even ARGUE your way out 
of a brown paper bag.

 >>>but now he holds it constant, so he and Choate are only a problem for 
idiots.<<<

The authorities seem to have more to worry about lately,thanks to real 
anarchist cypherpunk activists and others.No thanks to loony ex-trots and 
liars like jamesd.
Search for yourselves,don't just take my word for it.Only a problem for 
idiots indeed.

When Cypherpunks are called "terrorists," we will have done our jobs.
Font: Daschle-Anthrax-Bold

[MPUNKS] Cypherpunks December Mtg: HIGHFIRE Design Session

[Dave Del Torto]

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[Starting the 2nd decade with new challenges & opportunities! -ddt]

December 2002
Cypherpunks Physical Meeting Announcement

General Info: 
DATE:   Saturday 14 December 2002
TIME:   12:00 - 5:00 PM (Pacific Time)
PLACE:  Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF HQ)
454 Shotwell Street
San Francisco, California 94110

  Arrive: "noon-ish"
  Random Section: 12:00 - 1:00 (informal milling about)
   Deterministic Session:  1:00 - 2:00 (general topics & updates)
 HIGHFIRE Design Session:  2:00 - 5:00

Executive Summary:

The December 2002 physical meeting will feature a major announcement 
from the CryptoRights Foundation, and a collaborative open security 
design session for the CryptoRights "HIGHFIRE" (human rights 
firewall) humanitarian communications privacy system. Design 
objectives include a hardware security appliance for secure 
networking/etc by small human rights and journalism NGOs, and the 
integration with the hardware of of a mailserver with secured 
services and remote administration and cryptographically-enhanced 
adaptive mail filtering software. Bring your thinking caps, a pencil 
and paper and any open source code you might want to contribute on 
disk.

NOTE: CRF will be accepting resumes at the meeting from responsible 
security professionals with a social conscience interested in 
positions (starting January 2003) on CRF's security research, 
software & hardware engineering, documentation, technical support and 
field deployment/training teams in 2003. Resumes should be in plain 
ASCII text format with a PGP signature (detached sigs are OK) and on 
floppy disk or CD-R also containing a copy of the applicant's PGP 
public key. Unsigned documents in proprietary formats with lots of 
eye-candy will be handled appropriately.

For location/directions/maps and other information, please visit the 
usual web pages:

 Meetingpunks:
  
 December Meeting:
  

Agenda items are being sought for the February meeting. See:
  

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Extradition, Snatching, and the Danger of Traveling to Other Countries

[Tim May]

On Thursday, December 12, 2002, at 09:19  AM, Major Variola (ret) wrote:


Quoth Steve:

Under this logic a retailer in one
country, selling a controversial book to someone in another country,

could

involve publishers in yet a third country to litigation in the second
country. Bizarre.

The real question is whether any judgement is enforceable.


Depends if the Dow Jones CEOs ever go to Australia.

Ask Mr. Skylarov about enforceability.  Better yet, ask his wife
or newborn.


Secret trials are on the rise. Inasmuch as the U.S. is now throwing its 
full weight behind secret evidence, secret prosecutions, secret trials, 
secret appeals courts, suspension of habeas corpus, detention of Evil 
Ones without charge at concentration camps in Cuba, suspension of the 
Fourth and Fifth and Sixth Amendments, and elevation to guilt by 
association to a central principlewith all of these atrocities, 
imagine what nations with a long history of statism must be doing?

One of the several reasons I no longer leave the U.S. is not because 
the U.S. is so free, but because I figure I _may_ have some warning the 
goons are coming for me...and I have my guns. These days, I'd be 
concerned about getting off a plane in Amsterdam or Munich and being 
asked to "Step aside, Herr May."

"You are being charged for a so-called "Usenet post" you wrote in 1997 
in which you claimed that perhaps the Holocaust was being exaggerated. 
This is a crime under Reich law. We are extraditing you to Deutschland 
for trial."

or

"Msr. May, we French have made encryption very difficult for our 
citizen-units to misuse in the ways you have advocated. After your last 
trip through our country, on your way to discuss money-laundering at a 
conference in Monte Carlo, we charged and convicted you under laws very 
similar to what your own President has adopted. You will be transferred 
to Rochefort Prison where you will serve out the 20-year sentence for 
your crimes."

Hey, if the U.S. is now holding secret trials, secret appeals, and is 
snatching foreigners from their countries (rubber-stamped by the 
courts), why wouldn't Germany, France, and other such countries being 
doing exactly the same thing?

I also figure there's some chance that quid pro quo deals have been 
struck with the U.S. If a noted dissident is too difficult to prosecute 
in the U.S. (too difficult at this time, that is), then why not have a 
compliant regime in the U.K. snatch him when he gets off the plane at 
Heathrow? Charge him with some violation of the Official Secrets Act, 
throw in some chaff about how one of his recipients of his PGP key was 
a member of the Real IRA freedom fighters group, and then throw away 
the key.

America used to disdain the secret trials, the Star Chamber proceedings 
so endemic in other parts of the world. Now we have them.

We will reap what we sow.

--Tim May
"As my father told me long ago, the objective is not to convince someone
 with your arguments but to provide the arguments with which he later
 convinces himself." -- David Friedman

Re: Libel lunacy -all laws apply fnord everywhere

[Major Variola (ret)]

Quoth Steve:
>Under this logic a retailer in one
> country, selling a controversial book to someone in another country,
could
> involve publishers in yet a third country to litigation in the second
> country. Bizarre.
>
> The real question is whether any judgement is enforceable.

Depends if the Dow Jones CEOs ever go to Australia.

Ask Mr. Skylarov about enforceability.  Better yet, ask his wife
or newborn.

Re: Cpunks: The Tee-shirt

[Eric Murray]

On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 04:11:21PM -0500, Trei, Peter wrote:
> I was poking around thinkgeek, and it appears that
> the CDR now has it's own tee-shirt.
> Suitable for old farts and wannabes alike.
> Now available in black!
> 
> Peter Trei
> http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/coder/57ee/

Not "The Fedz declared me an enemy combatant, sent
me to Cuba for torture and all I got was this lousy T-shirt"?


Eric

Cpunks: The Tee-shirt

[Trei, Peter]

I was poking around thinkgeek, and it appears that
the CDR now has it's own tee-shirt.
Suitable for old farts and wannabes alike.
Now available in black!

Peter Trei
http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/coder/57ee/

Homeopathy & spam

[Major Variola (ret)]

Quoth Bill:
> (Actually the dilution theory says that the more dilute the
preparation,
> the _stronger_ it is, at least if it's diluted by the people who sell
it
> and not by the people who buy it.  It's rather like somebody's theory
of
> making a dry martini, which is that you take the vermouth bottle
> and gesture meaningfully in the direction of the shaker of gin. :-)

Homeopathic hacking: If I merely open my filter file, that should be
enough to resist spam?
And merely touching the shrinkwrap on a firewall in Fry's will protects
my systems too.

Your physician can obtain blister-packed placebo pills if it makes you
feel better.
A saline injection for the refractory cases.

I prefer to keep my crystals oscillating in little metal cans, not
around my neck.

Re: Extradition, Snatching, and the Danger of Traveling to Other Countries

[Tim May]

On Thursday, December 12, 2002, at 05:54  PM, Anonymous wrote:


On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:47:25 -0800, Tim May wrote:


America used to disdain the secret trials, the Star Chamber 
proceedings so endemic in other parts of the world. Now we have them.

We will reap what we sow.

--Tim May

Spot on. But what, if anything, do you think can be done to
reverse this slide to Red White and Blue Stalinism with good PR?
I trust you are not one of those who will prattle something like
"exercise your right to vote", or "write your
congressperson/MP", etc.


Newcomers to Cypherpunks have 10 years' worth of archives to savor.



--Tim May

"Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being stupid.  But 
stupidity is the only universal crime;  the sentence is death, there is 
no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without 
pity." --Robert A. Heinlein

RE: Libel lunacy -all laws apply fnord everywhere

[Lucky Green]

Steve wrote:
> This is totally bogus thinking. The Internet is not broadcast medium. 
> Information from Web sites must be requested, the equivalent 
> of ordering a 
> book or newspaper, for delivery. Under this logic a retailer in one 
> country, selling a controversial book to someone in another 
> country, could 
> involve publishers in yet a third country to litigation in the second 
> country. Bizarre.
> 
> The real question is whether any judgement is enforceable.

Agreed. A few years ago, some would advocate that on the Internet, no
national laws apply. This was, of course, nonsense. Instead, every
single national, regional, and local law in effect today anywhere in the
world applies to anything you do to the extent that said law can be
enforced.

--Lucky

Re: Extradition, Snatching, and the Danger of Traveling to Other Countries

[Anonymous]

On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:47:25 -0800, Tim May wrote:
>
> America used to disdain the secret trials, the Star Chamber proceedings so endemic 
>in other parts of the world. Now we have them.
>
> We will reap what we sow.
>
> --Tim May

Spot on. But what, if anything, do you think can be done to 
reverse this slide to Red White and Blue Stalinism with good PR? 
I trust you are not one of those who will prattle something like 
"exercise your right to vote", or "write your 
congressperson/MP", etc. In practical terms, in a surveillance 
society, what can the regular person do to strike a blow in 
opposition to the direct attack on the Constitution and civil 
liberties and civil rights?

Do we need a program to oppose the progrom?