Boot hangs with 16M ram

1996-09-10 Thread Miro Torrielli
My debian box doesn't seem to be able to boot with
16 megs ram!!

Dos and windows works fine, but Linux just hangs after
it does partition check. I boot with lilo, using both
kernels 2.0.17  18. The basic Debian boot disks crash
when mounting the ramdisk, dumping register values and
informing me of a protection fault. Help!!



Re: Booting problems

1996-09-10 Thread David C. Winters
 From: David C. Winters [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  I'm running into a problem with one, lone Linux box right now.
  After the BIOS bootstraps, the drive and CD-ROM and recognized, and the 3.5
  floppy is seen, instead of saying LILO as a preface to LILO's booting into
  Linux, the following comes up:
  xFA:

On Sun, 25 Aug 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:
 This is from Debian's master boot record. Press 2 to boot partition 2,
 'F' to boot the floppy, etc. I suggest you re-install the LILO package and
 say no to the first question (which asks if you want to use the existing
 LILO configuration) and yes to all subsequent questions.

(It took me a while to put out some fires, now I'm back to this...)
I reinstalled LILO, according to these directions.

 Either the partition is not bootable for some reason, or you have a shift key
 down when the system boots. Otherwise you would not see this.

Pressing F at the 2FA: prompt does boot it from the floppy, but
pressing 2 does not boot it off of /dev/hda2.  I checked the partitioning
using both cfdisk and fdisk--both agree that /dev/hda2 is active.  I'm
beginning to wonder if something's scrambled in the MBR at the physical
layer.


David [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Office: 3503 WeH, x86720
MTFBWY



Re: how to sign up to debian-devel?

1996-09-10 Thread Joey Hess
 Hm, I also tried to subscribe mailing to the listserver.  I did this 
 because of the following text in http://www.debian.org/1.1/release.html
 
 To subscribe to the mailing lists, send the word subscribe to one of 
 these addresses: 
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
 I also didn't receive an answer.  Then i tried filling in the form 
 http://www.rahul.net/perens/Debian/MailingLists.html.  This worked fine.
 There's a link from www.debian.org to this page.

I did use that form to sign up to all the other debian mailing lists, but
it doesn't have an entry for the debian-devel list (I guess bacause it's a
closed list..) I tried mailing [EMAIL PROTECTED], and
I've never gotten a reply back, and I sent the message on the 22nd of
August..

From other postings, it looks like I'm not the only one having problems
getting on to debian-devel. 

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dvilj and dvips-problems

1996-09-10 Thread Johann Spies
Thanks to everyone who helped me on documentation for beginners on LaTeX.

I would be glad if anyone can help me with the following:  Everytime when I
try to use dvilj or dvips I get a lot of error messages  like the following:

**
#dvilj4 testpage
kpathsea: Running MakeTXPK cmsy7 600 600 1+0/600 ljfour
Running MakeTXPK cmsy7 600 600 1+0/600 ljfourB
egrep: /usr/lib/texmf/dvips/psfonts.add:  No such file or directory
Running mf \mode:=ljfour; mag:=1+0/600; scrollmode; input cmsy7
This is METAFONT 2.7.1 (C version 6.1)

kpathsea: Running MakeTXPK
#! I can't find file 'cmsy7.mf'
* ...four; mag:=1+0/600; scrollmode; input cmsy7

Please type in another input file name:
! Emergency stop.
* ...four; mag:=1+0/600; scrollmode; input cmsy7

***

I installed all my packages (Debian-1.1) throug dselect or dpkg and as far
as I know there is no dependency-problems here.

Can anybody help?


Johann.



Re: Debian (not Linux) newbie

1996-09-10 Thread Dirk . Eddelbuettel

I can't help you there. While I use (and maintain) tob and afio, I never use
muti-volume backups as I do them off-line anyway.  I just define my backup
volumes such that they will fit on one 170 MB tape. That holds /etc, /home
and /usr/local, which is all I need. 

-- 
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Re: Base system installation

1996-09-10 Thread Bruce Perens
The unresolved symbols messages are harmless (unless you want to use
nfs or the de4x5, in which case you end up rebuilding the kernel).
20 minutes, huh? You did create and activate your swap partition,
didn't you?

You can consider your installation successful.

Bruce



Debian (not Linux) newbie

1996-09-10 Thread bob . billson

 @SUBJECT:Debian (not Linux) newbie question #2   N
Hi again all...

Question #2 of problems getting Debian install.  I tried a test install of
Pacific Hi-Tech's Debian 1.1.1 CD-ROM on another hard drive (not the one
I'm trying to backup) on Friday. All went okay until I got to the part
about making a boot floppy. 

When prompted I stuck a blank floppy in drive a:.  The installation
program churned out a bunch of 'probing for floppy0' messages and
eventually died with 'can't find device' error.  I figured it was a bad
floppy, so I stuck in another.  Same result.  Stuck in a third disk. Same
thing again.

I finally booted Red Hat and just copied over my 2.0.17 kernel to a
floppy, ran rdev to set / properly.  When I rebooted with the floppy
Debian came up.

My question is, am I doing something wrong with the Debian installation or
is there a bug in 1.1.1? 

Debian looks like an interesting Linux distribution to play with--as soon
as I get things properly backed up and installed. :-)

Thanks in advance for any help y'all can offer.

  Bob  
...
 * ATP/Linux 1.42 *   Linux, the choice of a GNU generation.



Re: char-major-10

1996-09-10 Thread Bruce Perens
[Trying to find which major-10 device he's opening]
 sim:~# ls /dev | grep 10,

Oops. Make that

ls -l /dev | grep 10,

Bruce



Re: how to sign up to debian-devel?

1996-09-10 Thread Bruce Perens
We are in the process of moving the mailing list from its site in Sweden
back to the U.S. The current list manager is so swamped with work that
he doesn't answer my mail.

Thanks

Bruce



Debian (not Linux) newbie

1996-09-10 Thread bob . billson

 @SUBJECT:Debian (not Linux) newbie question #1   N
Hi all,

I've been running Linux for almost a year now.  I started with Slackware,
moved to Red Hat 3.0.3 now I want to move to Debian.  I will be moving
Red Hat to another machine once I get Debian configured the way I want.

I am having two problems getting things set up.  One is related to Debian,
the other is more Linux in general but I hope someone can get me pointed
in the proper direction.

First problem is about the backup utilities tob and taper.  Up until
recently, I have been able to backup my hard drives to tape (floppy tape
drive using zftape v1.05) using a single 200 MB (uncompressed) tape.  The
drive is 1.6 GB and until recently it has not been too full.  However, I
have now reached the point where I need more than one tape and this is
where my trouble started.

When I use tob and get to the end of the first tape, afio doesn't prompt
for another tape.  All it is does it print a 'tape full' error for every
remaining file.  In /etc/tob.rc, I have the BACKUPCMD set to:

BACKUPCMD='afio -oxZv -b 10240 -s0 -T 3k -G 9 $BACKUPDEV  $FILELIST'

The -b 10240 was necessary because without it afio complains about a bad
block size while writing to the tape.

If I understand the man page for afio, -s0 should make afio pause when a
tape fills.  It doesn't.  With -s0, afio behavior is the same.  It keeps
trying writing to the full tape.

I tried using using taper (with zftape).  When the tape fills up, taper
chokes with a child segmentation error in a dialog box.  If I click on the
'OK', taper just hangs.  When I didn't fill the tape, taper would work
just fine.

I've seen folks mention on the list use both tob and taper with success,
so I must be doing something wrong.  Can someone give me a clue to what it
is? :-)  Thanks!

Bob
  
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Re: how to sign up to debian-devel?

1996-09-10 Thread Ed Donovan
I thought you were just supposed to mail Bruce, directly.  I haven't
ever tried to get on, though...

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kernel compile problem

1996-09-10 Thread Guillermo Solis
i everybody.


I want to update my linux kernel to one which can run
ELF format. I get the linux kernel 2.0.18 i think is the newest
version??. when i try to compile i receive a message on the screen 
telling me gcc is to old. Then i get the new gcc version
and when i try ro run it a see a new message Can't run binary file
i think this is because the new gcc is on ELF format.
now my question is which gcc (what version ?) or what i have to do
for compile the new kernel.?


thanks 


guillermo solis A
TI2SAG



Re: char-major-10

1996-09-10 Thread Dirk . Eddelbuettel

I assume that Bruce meant

$ ls -l /dev | grep 10,

which yields: 

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ ls -l /dev|grep 10,
crw-rw   1 root sys   10, 134 Dec 31  1969 apm_bios
crw-rw-rw-   1 root sys   10,   3 Dec 31  1969 atibm
crw-rw   1 root audio 10, 128 Dec 31  1969 beep
crw-rw   1 root sys   10, 133 Dec 31  1969 exttrap
crw-rw   1 root sys   10, 132 Dec 31  1969 hwtrap
crw-rw-rw-   1 root sys   10,   2 Dec 31  1969 inportbm
crw-rw-rw-   1 root sys   10,   4 Dec 31  1969 jbm
crw-rw-rw-   1 root sys   10,   0 Dec 31  1969 logibm
crw-rw   1 root sys   10, 129 Dec 31  1969 modreq
crw-rw-rw-   1 root sys   10,   1 Dec 31  1969 psaux
crw-rw   1 root lp10, 138 Dec 31  1969 qcam0
crw-rw   1 root sys   10, 135 Dec 31  1969 rtc
crw-rw   1 root sys   10, 131 Dec 31  1969 temperature
crw-rw   1 root sys   10, 130 Dec 31  1969 watchdog 

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Re: char-major-10

1996-09-10 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
Hi,

  Sep  9 03:53:44 sim modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-10
 
 You are running kerneld. You go to open a character device with major
 number 10. There is no driver for the device and kerneld tries to load
 it.

char-major-10 is handled by the drivers/char/misc.o 

(which will be installed in the kernel if:

#if defined (CONFIG_BUSMOUSE) || defined(CONFIG_UMISC) || \
defined (CONFIG_PSMOUSE) || defined (CONFIG_MS_BUSMOUSE) || \
defined (CONFIG_ATIXL_BUSMOUSE) || defined(CONFIG_SOFT_WATCHDOG) || \
defined (CONFIG_PCWATCHDOG) || \
defined (CONFIG_APM) || defined (CONFIG_RTC) || defined (CONFIG_SUN_MOUSE)
). If none of those options are installed into the kernel, and it will be
compiled as a module if one of the above options are build as modules.

Therefore there is one alias needed:

alias char-major-10 misc

Each single device with major 10 will be requested from kerneld with:

char-major-10-%d, therefore the following aliases are needed in addition:

alias char-major-10-0 busmouse
alias char-major-10-1 psaux
alias char-major-10-2 msbusmouse
alias char-major-10-4 amigamouse
alias char-major-10-5 atarimouse
alias char-major-10-6 ?
alias char-major-10-130 wdt (or softdog)
alias char-major-10-131 wdt
alias char-major-10-134 apm_bios
alias char-major-10-135 rtc

(this is what i read from the source, it is neighter complete nor i am sure
if it is correct).

Greetings
Bernd
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Debian 1.1.8 and two ethercards ?

1996-09-10 Thread J. H. Julkunen
As I'm mirroring the Debian site, the system is upgraded if I
install something new which happens quite frequently as the systems
are new and the required software base has quite not stabilzed yet.

However, it seems like something has happened in the last fixes
or so as my second ethernet device is not functioning anymore.
It worked a week ago, with about 1.1.6 or so.

As I need to run some firewalling code I have compiled my own
kernel on the v2.0.6 release.

The symptons are that the 10Mbit ether-device (the main device is a
HP100Mbit) will get a arp address of zero:
mpc7 arp -a
Address HWtype  HWaddress   Flags Mask Iface
gandalf.uccs.eduether   08:00:09:7A:A3:90   C *eth0
mpc4.uccs.edu   ether   00:00:00:00:00:00 *eth1
~

The mpc4 computer has not been touched at all, it has worked in the
same setup for at least two months now. It also gets ar 00:00 arp
entry of the mpc7 computer.

On another computer the eth0 device is the 10Mbit device, and
the same thing happens, so its not connected to the device number.

Anybody have a clue ?

The easiest would be to install an older version of Debian, but
is it possible to find one and how do I make dselect to downgrade
all the components ?

Thanks / Heikki
 
 



Re: Unidentified subject!

1996-09-10 Thread Susan G. Kleinmann
Hi Jan --
You asked:
 where did mkdosfs go? 

It got swallowed up into dosfstools, which is in the rex (unstable)
distribution.

Good luck,
Susan Kleinmann



V2.0.x kernel stability

1996-09-10 Thread David C P Gray

I am trying to install the Debian 1.1 system and am having some
serious stability problems. My apologies if this has been discussed on
the list already, but I am fast running out of ideas and have not been
able to find any hints in the list archives.

The symptoms of the problem are that the system boots just fine, but
after some (apparently random) period of time, every command starts
dumping core with a segmentation fault. Just about the only thing that
works after this is a 'sync' or two and a hard reset.

I have tried compiling the kernel (2.0.6 and 2.0.18) with no luck. I 
checked out the SIG 11 FAQ and following a suggestion there, re-compiled 
GCC and then rebuilt the kernel with that. Still no joy.

The PC is an antique 386 that has been running Linux for over 3 years
and Debian 0.93 with a version 1.2.13 kernel for most of the last year
without *any* problems. I am seeing the problems while trying to update
it using a recent base system and the 96-07-14 boot disk series
(version 2.0.0 kernel).

If anyone has any light to shed on the problem, I would be most
grateful for any suggestions. I am happy to provide more specific
information on the system if required

Please reply directly to me as I am not subscribed to the list at the
moment and I will post a summary back to the list if there is anyone
else having similar problems.

Thanks in advance.
David Gray.



Debian 1.1.8 and two ethercards ?

1996-09-10 Thread Heikki Julkunen
As I'm mirroring the Debian site, the system is upgraded if I
install something new which happens quite frequently as the systems
are new and the required software base has quite not stabilzed yet.

However, it seems like something has happened in the last fixes
or so as my second ethernet device is not functioning anymore.
It worked a week ago, with about 1.1.6 or so.

As I need to run some firewalling code I have compiled my own
kernel on the v2.0.6 release.

The symptons are that the 10Mbit ether-device (the main device is a
HP100Mbit) will get a arp address of zero:
mpc7 arp -a
Address HWtype  HWaddress   Flags Mask Iface
gandalf.uccs.eduether   08:00:09:7A:A3:90   C *eth0
mpc4.uccs.edu   ether   00:00:00:00:00:00 *eth1
~

The mpc4 computer has not been touched at all, it has worked in the
same setup for at least two months now. It also gets ar 00:00 arp
entry of the mpc7 computer.

On another computer the eth0 device is the 10Mbit device, and
the same thing happens, so its not connected to the device number.

Anybody have a clue ?

The easiest would be to install an older version of Debian, but
is it possible to find one and how do I make dselect to downgrade
all the components ?

Thanks / Heikki
 
 

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Re: char-major-10

1996-09-10 Thread Susan G. Kleinmann
Hi Boris --

Bruce suggested:
 brucels /dev |grep 10,

Try instead:
ls -l /dev | grep 10,

Good luck,
Susan Kleinmann



Re: char-major-10

1996-09-10 Thread Boris Beletsky
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On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Susan G. Kleinmann wrote:

sgkHi Boris --
sgkTry instead:
sgkls -l /dev | grep 10,
thks alot all!
we solved it with bruce. (well - kinda)
*bow*
Regards
borik


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Re: seeking WWW browser (smaller than Netscape)

1996-09-10 Thread Marcelo Zacarias

On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Christopher R. Hertel wrote:

 On Sep 8,  9:27am, Bill Roman wrote:
  Subject: seeking WWW browser (smaller than Netscape)
 :
 : I've tried Mosaic (2.7 beta), but it's rather dated (no frames, for
 : one thing).
 

I've heard good comments about Grail (python based) but not tried
it yet myself.  Don't have the URL but a search will find it.

Marcelo.

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Re: time to split the list?

1996-09-10 Thread Richard G. Roberto
On Thu, 5 Sep 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:

 Some newbies tell me they find debian-user intimidating due to the high
 level of technical discussion that sometimes goes on there. Is it time
 to split the list? About 2 years ago I proposed a separate list just for
 people trying to install the system. At the time we did not have enough
 traffic for that. We probably do now.
 
 I would propose:
 
   debian-install
   debian-nontechnical
   debian-technical
 
 Now I just have to find our list administrator :-) .
 
   Bruce
 

This sounds like a good idea, but I'd sure like to see one
of the lists a superset of the others if that's possible (a
la crossposting?)  Also, there's a new section in linux
journal providing help with various distributions.  Last
time I checked, Debian didn't have an entry.  Perhaps we
should come up with a debian-support list?

Thanks

Richard G. Roberto
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Re: how to sign up to debian-devel?

1996-09-10 Thread Shaya Potter

I hate to post a me too message, but I am having the same problems.  I 
posted a little while ago about it, but I don't remember any body getting 
back to me about it.

Shaya
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On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Joey Hess wrote:

 I'm a new debian developer, and though everything else is working fine,
 I'm not signed up to the debian-devel mailing list. I've tried mailing
 the owner, sending subscribe messages to the listserver, etc, and I've
 never gotten any response back (It's been weeks). So, a last plea here:
 how can I sign up to that mailing list?
 
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Re: seeking WWW browser (smaller than Netscape)

1996-09-10 Thread Shaya Potter

If you want to view it that way, graphics were not html, they were a 
Mosiac'ism.

Shaya
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On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Christopher R. Hertel wrote:

 On Sep 8,  9:27am, Bill Roman wrote:
  Subject: seeking WWW browser (smaller than Netscape)
 :
 : I've tried Mosaic (2.7 beta), but it's rather dated (no frames, for
 : one thing).
 
 Frames are *not* HTML.  They are a Netscape-ism.  For information on
 the current draft version of the HTML specification (HTML 3.2), check
 out
 
 http://www.w3.org/pub/WWW/MarkUp/Wilbur/
 
 I agree that Mosaic 2.7b5 is a bit of a problem.  The developers
 themselves call it large and hacked.  They are working on version
 2.8, which will be a major rewrite and will support the HTML 3.2 spec.
  See the comments in the 2.7b5 release notes:
  
 http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/SDG/Software/XMosaic/help-on-version-2.7b5.html#about
 
 Hope that's of use...
 
 Chris -)-
 
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Re: char-major-10

1996-09-10 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
Hi,

 so is it 10, / 10 ?

ls -l /dev |grep 10,

From: /usr/src/linux/Documantation/devices.txt:

 10 charNon-serial mice, misc features
  0 = /dev/logibm   Logitech bus mouse
  1 = /dev/psauxPS/2-style mouse port
  2 = /dev/inportbm Microsoft Inport bus mouse
  3 = /dev/atibmATI XL bus mouse
  4 = /dev/jbm  J-mouse
  4 = /dev/amigamouse   Amiga mouse (68k/Amiga)
  5 = /dev/atarimouse   Atari mouse
  6 = /dev/sunmouse Sun mouse
  7 = /dev/amigamouse1  Second Amiga mouse
128 = /dev/beep Fancy beep device
129 = /dev/modreq   Kernel module load request
130 = /dev/watchdog Watchdog timer port
131 = /dev/temperature  Machine internal temperature
132 = /dev/hwtrap   Hardware fault trap
133 = /dev/exttrp   External device trap
134 = /dev/apm_bios Advanced Power Management BIOS
135 = /dev/rtc  Real Time Clock
136 = /dev/qcam0QuickCam on lp0
137 = /dev/qcam1QuickCam on lp1
138 = /dev/qcam2QuickCam on lp2
139 = /dev/openprom SPARC OpenBoot PROM

BTW: if you add the alias for char-major-10 you will get requests for
char-major-10-%d (with %d is a number from the above list) and you should
know which device is missing.

Greetings
Bernd



Re: char-major-10

1996-09-10 Thread Christian Hudon
On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, Boris Beletsky wrote:

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 On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Bernd Eckenfels wrote:
 
 listsalias char-major-10-0 busmouse
 listsalias char-major-10-1 psaux
 listsalias char-major-10-2 msbusmouse
 listsalias char-major-10-4 amigamouse
 listsalias char-major-10-5 atarimouse
 the only prob is that i don't use bus/msbus/amiga/atarimouse
 i use simple (trivial!) mman logitech
 so i don't understand why the kerneld looking for that module *shrug*

Btw, if your system is working fine (i.e. mouse working, etc.) you can
just ignore the kerneld message. It doesn't do any harm, other than being
slightly annoying. That's what I do.

Everyone: is there no way of knowing the minor number of the char-10
device for which kerneld got the request? (Without patching kerneld, that
is.)

  Christian




Re: char-major-10

1996-09-10 Thread Boris Beletsky
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On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, Bernd Eckenfels wrote:


lists 10 charNon-serial mice, misc features
what i have here is a simple serial mouse
i don't understand why is this device was requested in the first place

listsBTW: if you add the alias for char-major-10 you will get requests for
listschar-major-10-%d (with %d is a number from the above list) and you should
listsknow which device is missing.
how exactly i add the alias :
alias char-major-10 char-major-10-%d ?

thks alot
borik


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-lX11 problem

1996-09-10 Thread Boris Beletsky
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hello
compilong xjed i got this wierd error
- ---
ld: cannot open -lX11: No such file or directory
- ---
the reason it's wierd that i do have xlibs and include files installed

thks for u're time
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corrupt filesystem superblock

1996-09-10 Thread Dirk . Eddelbuettel

My laptop doesn't boot Linux on hda3 anymore. I just installed a new system
by overwriting the swap partition on hda2. My first attempt of running e2fsck
gives:

The filesystem superblock is corrupt. Try running e2fsck with an
alternate superblock using the -b option. (8193 is commonly as
alternate superblock; Henc 'e2fsck -b 8193 device' may recover
the filesystem.)

I tried this, but it didn't work either. Any help as to what I might do now
would be welcomed. The partition table is as follows (in sectors)

# TypeFirstLast   Offset  Length  Filesystem   Type   Flags
1 Primary  0   131039 63  131040  Dos 16bit06 None
2 Primary 131040   180431  0   49392  Linux (83)  Boot
3 Primary 180432  1032191  0  851760  Linux (83)  None

and was created by the Debian install disks around February or March.

Thanks in advance, Dirk

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ppp: ip-up, ip-down

1996-09-10 Thread Marek Duszynski
Hi,

Can anybody send me some example /etc/ppp/ip-up and /etc/ppp/ip-down
with short discription of what they do please ?

Also, how can I execute /usr/sbin/xbase-configure for the second time
(on already configured and running system). Nothing happens when I try
executing it. Is there a lock file anywhere preventing you from doing
so after X have been configured during installation?

Thanks a lot.
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Re: char-major-10

1996-09-10 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
Hi,

 how exactly i add the alias :
 alias char-major-10 char-major-10-%d ?

add in /etc/conf.modules:
alias char-major-10 misc

or even better load misc.o from /usr/src/linux/drivers/char/misc.o (or
/lib/modues/current/misc/mic.o)

This module will request itself the char-major-10-%d modules and you will
get another missing entry in the logs with the minor number added.

Greetings
Bernd



Re: kernel compile problem

1996-09-10 Thread Boris Beletsky
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On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Guillermo Solis wrote:
gsolisI want to update my linux kernel to one which can run
gsolisELF format. I get the linux kernel 2.0.18 i think is the newest
gsolisversion??.
yes, but that will change
gsoliswhen i try to compile i receive a message on the screen 
gsolistelling me gcc is to old. Then i get the new gcc version
gsolisand when i try ro run it a see a new message Can't run binary file
gsolisi think this is because the new gcc is on ELF format.
gsolisnow my question is which gcc (what version ?) or what i have to do
gsolisfor compile the new kernel.?
i whould say - reinstall the all system
there lots of thigs that u need to upgrade - libs , etc..
so i think thats the best thing u could do.
if u're realy want to do it manualy (NOOO!!!) then email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
he is the only person i know that did it. (crazy hacker)

Regards
borik

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Re: char-major-10

1996-09-10 Thread Boris Beletsky
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On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, Bernd Eckenfels wrote:


listsadd in /etc/conf.modules:
listsalias char-major-10 misc
how about :
alias char-major-10 off ?
cause i realy don't have non serial mice

Regards 
borik
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Re: gcc can't find termcap library

1996-09-10 Thread Evan Thomas
Bruce Perens wrote:
 
 Tell me where the source for scilab is, and I will remove its termcap
 dependence. I'm a reasonably competent ncurses programmer.
 
 Supporting two terminal management mechanisms would not be a good idea.
 
 Bruce
I agree two terminal management would be bad. However, I want to use an
application -- GENESIS http://www.bbb.caltech.edu/GENESIS/ which
actually crashes when using ncurses. It gets a segmentation fault in
tgetent().

The program works fine under several other UNIXs, on other Linux
distributions and even works when linked against libtermcap.a (by using
the aout development package). I have been reluctant to report it as a
bug because: a) I can't reproduce the problem with a simple test
program, b) I know nothing about terminal programming and c) I can't
answer questions about the GENESIS source.

I have been corresponding with GENESIS support but I think it is unfair
to ask them to fix what appears to be a bug in ncurses termcap
compatibility. On the other hand I doubt the program is of sufficent
general interest to warrant a special Debian version/package.

The point I am trying to make is that it may be necassary to support two
terminal packages, at least for the time being.

Thanks Evan.

PS. Although this comes across as a complaint, I think Debian Linux is
an outstanding achievment.
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University of Melbourne
Parkville, 3052
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cfdisk not working with 486/DTC

1996-09-10 Thread David Godshall
I am trying to install Debian Linux 1.1 on my 486/80, 12meg RAM, 1.3gig 
SCSI HD, DTC3280 SCSI controller.  After booting off my boot (Linux 
kernal 2.0.0) and root floppies and getting to the cfdisk 0.8d BETA, I 
run into problems.  I try setting up some partitions and Write the table, 
it complains about sda: unknown partition table.  If I leave cfdisk and 
re-enter, it generally complains about FATAL ERROR: Bad primary 
partition and kicks me out of cfdisk.  My only recourse is to boot up 
DOS and wipe out sector 0 of the hard drive using Norton Utilities or 
similar. Fortunately, I had my hard drive backed up.

Apparently, cfdisk is not writing the partition table properly. I have 
tried it with my 1.3gig HD (Hitachi DK516C-16) and also tried it with my 
iomega Zip drive with the same results.

This is the same setup I used for DOS/Windows with no problems.  Any ideas?

David Godshall, [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: kernel compile problem

1996-09-10 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Guillermo Solis wrote:

 i everybody.
 
 
 I want to update my linux kernel to one which can run
 ELF format. I get the linux kernel 2.0.18 i think is the newest
 version??. when i try to compile i receive a message on the screen 
 telling me gcc is to old. Then i get the new gcc version
 and when i try ro run it a see a new message Can't run binary file
 i think this is because the new gcc is on ELF format.
 now my question is which gcc (what version ?) or what i have to do
 for compile the new kernel.?
 
You should start with your old kernel. Build it with the old gcc with ELF
support added. That is, build the kernel as a.out but with ELF support.
Now you can install the new gcc (seems to me you need some shared
libraries like libc5 and others. Check out the docs in the upgrades
directory). You should now be able to build a new kernel in ELF format.

Hope this helps,

Dwarf

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Dselect

1996-09-10 Thread Servo

Hi all!  I [used to be] an avid Slackware fan.  Then I meet Debian about two
months ago, and I am VERY Impressed.  So far, I am running 2 Debian Boxes,
and a third is in the works (Where is the Free Hardware Foundation when you
need it?:) 

I know i have not read all there is to read about Debian, but I was wondering...

When I first ftp'd debian, i got it from the 'buzz' directory.  I now see
the current directory is 'rex'?  I'm a bit confused on the seperation.  Is
this per-version directories?  

Thanks for any response I get!

Daniel Stringfield
(Network Adminstrator)



Re: seeking WWW browser (smaller than Netscape)

1996-09-10 Thread Mike Wilson
Marcelo Zacarias [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

) I've heard good comments about Grail (python based) but not tried
) it yet myself.  Don't have the URL but a search will find it.

I like Grail.  It handles many modern html aspects, such as tables,
frames, etc.  There are times when it uses a lot of memory
and rare occasions where it disappears entirely, but all in all
it does pretty good.

The standard url is http://monty.cnri.reston.va.us/grail/

Searching for Python and Grail can be troublesome considering
the popularity of its namesake.

Mike

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[INDEX of all linux www browsers] (Re: www browser smaller then netscape)

1996-09-10 Thread Boris Beletsky
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* i am sorry - u may get this mail twice - just my sendmail playing games on
me *

On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Marcelo Zacarias wrote:

marcelo
marceloOn Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Christopher R. Hertel wrote:
marcelo
marcelo On Sep 8,  9:27am, Bill Roman wrote:
marcelo  Subject: seeking WWW browser (smaller than Netscape)
marcelo :
marcelo : I've tried Mosaic (2.7 beta), but it's rather dated (no frames, for
marcelo : one thing).
marcelo
marcelo
marceloI've heard good comments about Grail (python based) but not tried
marceloit yet myself.  Don't have the URL but a search will find it.


linux www browsers:
- 
http://www.w3.org/pub/WWW/Amaya - Amaya
http://www.w3.org/hypertext/WWW/Arena/ - Arena
http://www.candleweb.no/ - Candleweb
http://www.unlv.edu/chimera/ - Chimera
http://www.cs.indiana.edu/elisp/w3/docs.html - GNUscape Navigator -
an Emacs World Wide Web Browser

http://monty.cnri.reston.va.us/grail-0.2/download/grail-linux.tar.gz
(http://monty.cnri.reston.va.us/grail-0.2/ - homepage ) - *Grail*
(python pkg needed - Debian-1.1/binary-i386/devel/python-1.3-3.deb)

http://www.isg.de/visualweb/invisible_e.html - - the command-line
counterpart of Innovative oftware's VisualWeb

http://kuhttp.cc.ukans.edu/about_lynx/about_lynx.html - Lynx - YE
http://www-midas.slac.stanford.edu/midas_latest/overview.html - Midas
http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/SDG/Software/XMosaic - Mosaic
http://home.mcom.com/index.html - netscape (yack!)
http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~phonynet/ - PhonyNet - PhonyNet Commuter
introduce Phone URL

http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/vosaic - integrates continuous media into the
World Wide Web

http://www.eolas.com/eolas/webrouse/ - Webrouse
- -


Good luck
and hope that helps:)

RrrrRrrrRregards!
borik
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Re: Getty ports - dumb question

1996-09-10 Thread Jim Worthington
Bill Roman wrote:
 
 They're running on your virtual consoles.  Try holding down the left Alt
 key and pressing function keys.  Log in on each virtual console.  Pretty
 slick, eh?
 
 I used this feature a lot when I had only 4 MB of RAM, as that's not
 enough to run X in (unless you like watching the disk light a lot).
 Now I usually just open all the xterms I need.
 

Thanks to everynody that responded.  I wish I would have known about
this feature when I was trying to get X to run.  Now that I have X
running, multiple xterms do indeed do the job.

Jim



Worldnet.att.net via Linux PPP Connection

1996-09-10 Thread Jim Worthington
My ISP is worldnet.att.net.  They use a PPP connection protocol
developed by Shiva.  I'm not sure whether it uses PAP or CHAP.  I
normally access using the windows 95 dialer by
filling in the Username and Password fields.  There is no logon /
dialing script.

Is anybody successfully connecting to Worldnet with Linux?
How do I configure pppd to emulate the Windows 95 dialer protocol?


Jim



Re: seeking WWW browser (smaller than Netscape)

1996-09-10 Thread Boris Beletsky
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On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Shaya Potter wrote:

spotter
spotterIf you want to view it that way, graphics were not html, 

Golden words!

spotterthey were a Mosiac'ism.

well.. then consider me a Lynx'ist.


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Mailing list changes coming

1996-09-10 Thread Bruce Perens
Dear Readers,

A while back the U.S. Congress passed some ill-considered anti-obscentity
legislation that forced me to move the Debian mailing lists out of the
U.S. for my own protection. At that time, Anders Chrigstrom of NetGuide
in Sweden graciously offered to operate the lists for us. Of late, Anders
is under a lot of time pressure and has not been able to answer any of our
messages. Fortunately, the U.S. courts overturned the obscentity legislation
and it is safe for us to operate the lists from the U.S. again, for now.

Over the next few days I will be moving the mailing list management
to our internal system, where all 100 developers can access it. I will
be soliciting other systems to provide the services of their mail
delivery programs, so that the internal system isn't overloaded by
delivering mail.

At the same time I am putting in a full day at Pixar and am moving into
a new home, so please be patient if it takes me a few days to get this
done.

Thanks

Bruce Perens



Re: seeking WWW browser (smaller than Netscape)

1996-09-10 Thread Ronald van Loon
|On Sep 8,  9:27am, Bill Roman wrote:
| Subject: seeking WWW browser (smaller than Netscape)
|:
|: I've tried Mosaic (2.7 beta), but it's rather dated (no frames, for
|: one thing).
|
|Frames are *not* HTML.  They are a Netscape-ism.  For information on
|the current draft version of the HTML specification (HTML 3.2), check
|out
|
|http://www.w3.org/pub/WWW/MarkUp/Wilbur/

This URL gives an Access forbidden error.

Ronald van Loon ([EMAIL PROTECTED])



Re: how to sign up to debian-devel?

1996-09-10 Thread Lars Wirzenius
I'm not responsible for the mailing lists, but I understand
there's some problems with their maintainance. Bruce is working
on it.

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Re: Dselect

1996-09-10 Thread Mark Phillips
When I first ftp'd debian, i got it from the 'buzz' directory.  I now see
the current directory is 'rex'?  I'm a bit confused on the seperation.  Is
this per-version directories?  

As I understand it, buzz is the current stable version and rex is
the current unstable version.  Ie, buzz contains the latest official
release, where as rex is the latest work in progress.  The reason
for the strange names is to make mirroring the debian site easier.
When rex becomes officially released, all that needs changing will be
symbolic links rather than the copying and deleting of huge numbers of
files unneccessarily.

I hope this helps.

Mark Phillips.  ([EMAIL PROTECTED])



Re: -lX11 problem

1996-09-10 Thread Stoyan Kenderov
Boris Beletsky wrote:
 

Hi Boris,

you might try adding an -L/usr/X11R6/lib to the CFLAGS line of the
Makeflag (or unlesss you don't use one on the gcc line.
I also had this sort of trouble a long time ago. Which compiler version
and binutils are you using?

It is a misnomer in the configuration of the GCC, ld I think.

RESPONSIBILITY OFF
just my 2 cents.
RESPONSIBILITY ON

regards,
   Stoyan

 - ---
 ld: cannot open -lX11: No such file or directory
 - ---
 the reason it's wierd that i do have xlibs and include files installed

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Re: Do you use SLIP or a variant with Debian?

1996-09-10 Thread Jan Wender
If so, I'd appreciate a short note from you.  I'd like to know if you
use SLIP because PPP is unavailable, more expensive, or otherwise
inconvenient.
I'm using slip because ppp is a more lower level protocol and as such
produces more traffic for the same payload. As I'm only interested in TCP/UDP
transactions I don't need ppp.
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Can't install texbin_3.1415-5.deb

1996-09-10 Thread Rene Tschirley

Am I too stupid?

I can't properly set up the TeX packets. If I do 'dpkg --install
texbin_3.1415-5.deb', I get the message 'dpkg: error processing texbin
(--install): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit
status 139'

This message nearly makes me go insane! Is there anyone who was able
to set up either the texbins, netscape, elm and som many other? I
can't imagine why I ain't able to install the whole thing without
errors!

Rene

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Re: Dselect

1996-09-10 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, Servo wrote:

 
 Hi all!  I [used to be] an avid Slackware fan.  Then I meet Debian about two
 months ago, and I am VERY Impressed.  So far, I am running 2 Debian Boxes,
 and a third is in the works (Where is the Free Hardware Foundation when you
 need it?:) 
 
 I know i have not read all there is to read about Debian, but I was 
 wondering...
 
 When I first ftp'd debian, i got it from the 'buzz' directory.  I now see
 the current directory is 'rex'?  I'm a bit confused on the seperation.  Is
 this per-version directories?  
 
 Thanks for any response I get!
 
Each Debian distribution is given a name at the beginning of the
development cycle. Debian-1.1 has the name buzz, and is static since the
last release. Since that time the next release has been being built in rex
(otherwise known as unstable). You should feel free to try packages in
this area, but be advised that this system is under development (not for
the faint of heart) and should be used with caution and the ability to
return to your previous state (thank Ian for dpkg). When the next release
of Debian occurs, rex will become static (with the addition of a rex-fixed
for bug fixes) and there will be a new name assigned to
unstable/development.
Hope this helps.

Luck,

Dwarf

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Re: how to sign up to debian-devel?

1996-09-10 Thread Christoph Lameter
Same here.

Jim Pick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: 
: 
:  
:  I have the same problem here !
:  I you find out, email me please.
:  
:  Phil.
:  
:  
: 
: Same problem here also.  Do I sense a pattern?
: 
:  - Jim
: 
: 



libg++-2.7.2.deb is old?

1996-09-10 Thread Amos Shapira
Hello,

In order to test a local copy of buzz-fixed before burning it on a
CD-ROM, we tried to run dpkg --root=... --unpack, just to see if the
files aren't corrupted.

We got some results we don't understand completly:

1. Most packages finished fine, they produced output like:

(Reading database ... 3368 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to replace CGI-modules (using .../devel/CGI-modules_2.75-3.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement CGI-modules ...
Selecting previously deselected package aout-binutils.
Unpacking aout-binutils (from .../aout-binutils_2.5.2-11.deb) ...
Selecting previously deselected package aout-gcc.
Unpacking aout-gcc (from .../devel/aout-gcc_2.6.3-13.deb) ...


and so on.  So I assume it means I'm more-or-less on the right
track.

2. some packages produced the following output:

Selecting previously deselected package perl.
Unpacking perl (from .../devel/perl_5.003-2.deb) ...
dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute new pre-installation script: No such
file or directory
dpkg: error processing yigal/debian/buzz-fixed/binary-i386/devel/perl_5.0
03-2.deb (--unpack):
 subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 2

(I've cut a couple of lines to fit to the mail message).

Notice that the system-level error is No such file or directory.
When run without the --root option, it installs fine.

In addition, libg++ in particular seems to be still in old .deb format
(0.93).

I've updated the dpkg I use to be 1.2.14elf, from buzz-fixed.

Can anyone explain me what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks,

--Amos



Re: Worldnet.att.net via Linux PPP Connection

1996-09-10 Thread Ron Welch
The following message was posted to the Caldera mailing list a while back.

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Connecting Linux and ATT Worldnet Services

ATT's Worldnet Service uses standard PPP (Point-to-Point Protocol) with
CHAP (Challage Handshake Authentication Protocol). While Windows 3.1x or
Windows 95 is required to register a new account, other operating systems
that support PPP with CHAP can be used once an account is registered.

Unless you have already configured your Linux system to use PPP to another
Internet Service Provider, connecting to Worldnet from Linux will take a
little bit of work (recompiling the Linux kernel). I list here a few reasons
why one might want to do this bit of work.

If you have used PPP to connect to other ISP's from Linux, and pretty much
know what you are doing try reading the Expert Notes below.

The Instructions

  1. If you have not already done so, activate your Worldnet account using
 the installation disks.
  2. If you have already successfully installed and used PPP with other
 ISP's, skip to step
  3. Get a copy of ppp-2.1.2d.tar if your kernel is version 1.2.x, or
 ppp-2.2.0e.tar for kernels = 1.3.x.
  4. Follow the directions contained within the ppp package for rebuilding
 your kernel with PPP support and for installing pppd and chat.
  5. Get a copy of the file WORLDNET\DIALER\REG.INI and use the settings in
 the scripts below.
  6. Add the following line to the file /etc/ppp/chap-secrets
  7. [EMAIL PROTECTED] * password *

 where 99 has been replace by number on the Name line of
 REG.INI and password is replaced the value on the Password line. The
 quotation marks around the password are important to protect special
 character that might appear in the password.

  8. Create, the following script. I have given mine the name
 /usr/sbin/ppp-on.
  9. #!/usr/bin/perl
 #
 # Script to establish connection to WorldNet via PPP.
 #
 # Look at WORLDNET\DIALER\REG.INI and ATT.SR to get the following settings
 #
 $DOMAIN=worldnet.att.net;  # DomainName from ATT.SR
 $SEARCH=$DOMAIN;
 $NAMESERVER1=204.127.129.1;# DNS_ADDR from REG.INI
 $NAMESERVER2=204.127.129.2;# DNS_ADDR_2
 $NAME=[EMAIL PROTECTED]; # LOGIN
 $PHONE=6213400; # Cambridge, MA# Phone from ATT.SR
 $MODEM=/dev/modem;

 $resolv = '/etc/resolv.conf';

 open(CONF,$resolv)|| die Cannot open file: $resolv.\n  $! \n;

 print CONF \#resolv.conf - created automatically by .$ARGV[0].\n;
 print CONF domain .$DOMAIN.\n;
 print CONF search .$SEARCH.\n;
 print CONF nameserver .$NAMESERVER1.\n;
 print CONF nameserver .$NAMESERVER2.\n;

 $command=/usr/sbin/pppd name \.$NAME.\.
  -d connect \'/usr/sbin/chat -t 45 -v ABORT BUSY \\ ATDT.
 $PHONE. CONNECT \\\' .$MODEM.
  57600 noipdefault modem defaultroute crtscts;
 #print $command.\n;
 $ENV{'PATH'} = ''; # Make $ENV{'PATH'} untainted
 system($command);

 Executing this script should then startup up a connection to worldnet.
 Give the script a permission of 4755 (chmod 4755 /usr/sbin/ppp-on) if
 you want to be able to startup the Internet connection from accounts
 other than root.

 This script is a bit fancy in that it writes to the file
 /etc/resolv.conf the domain name and the nameserver numbers. This can
 be handy if you have several similar scripts for different ISP's, each
 of which has it's own domain name and nameservers. If perl is not
 available, or you want a simpler script, edit /etc/resolv.conf to
 contain

 domain worldnet.att.net
 nameserver 204.127.129.1
 nameserver 204.127.129.2

 and use the following the following script startup PPP (replacing the
 login name and phone number with appropriate values.)

 /usr/sbin/pppd name [EMAIL PROTECTED] -d connect \
 '/usr/sbin/chat -t 45 -v ABORT BUSY  ATDT111 CONNECT ' \
 /dev/modem 57600 noipdefault modem defaultroute crtscts

 10. Optionally, one may optionally add a script to disconnect ppp. The
 following is an example of /usr/sbin/ppp-off
 11. #!/bin/sh
 # ppp-down - simply kills the ppp-daemon
 kill `ps -a | grep pppd | grep -v grep | cut -b 1-6`

Mail and News

The values of NNTP_HOST, SMTP_HOST, POP_SERVER, POP_PASSWORD, and EMAIL_ADDR
can be extracted from WORLDNET\DIALER\REG.INI and used in whatever pop-mail
and news software you choose. The Linux version Netscape 2.0 handles both
mail and news fine.

Ed Kelley's Visual Guide to setting up Netscape 2.0 

Re: seeking WWW browser (smaller than Netscape)

1996-09-10 Thread Juri Pakaste
 MZ == Marcelo Zacarias [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 MZ I've heard good comments about Grail (python based) but not tried
 MZ it yet myself.  Don't have the URL but a search will find it.

Grail really is pretty good. IIRC, it also ate up over 10 megs of
memory when I tested it.

-- 
Juri Pakaste/[EMAIL PROTECTED]  



A tiny program to help md5sum all debian packages

1996-09-10 Thread Amos Shapira
Hello,

Attached below is a tiny awk(1) program which will extract the md5sum
information of all the packages listed in a Packages file.  The output
is in a format fit for md5sum -c.

I cound't find such a functionality in any of the Debian package
manuals so I hope this helps others.

(it found least 5 corrupted files in my local mirror of buzz-fixed,
I'm re-copying these files to see if the problem is local to my copy).

Cheers,

--Amos

--Amos Shapira  | Of course Australia was marked for
|  glory, for its people had been chosen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  |  by the finest judges in England.
| -- Anonymous
--
#!/usr/bin/awk -f
$1 == filename: {
file = $2
}
$1 == md5sum: {
md5sum = $2
}
NF == 0 {
print md5sum, , file;
md5sum = ;
file = ;
}
--



Re: seeking WWW browser (smaller than Netscape)

1996-09-10 Thread Christopher R. Hertel
On Sep 9,  7:50pm, Shaya Potter wrote:
 Subject: Re: seeking WWW browser (smaller than Netscape)
:
: If you want to view it that way, graphics were not html, they were a
: Mosiac'ism.

I don't know the history of it, but I'll take your word.  In any case,
minimal support for inline graphics are now part of the HTML
specification.  Tables have also been added (recently) to the standard;
frames have not.  As such, it's not likely that Mosaic or Lynx will
support frames in the near future.  (Tables are being added to Mosaic.
 I don't know the status of tables in Lynx).

That leaves only a short list of commercial browsers, and that was
really my point.  (Actually, I don't know of any other commercial
browsers that run on Linux and support frames.)

Chris -)-

-- 
Christopher R. Hertel -)-   University of Minnesota
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  Networking and Telecommunications Services



elf-x11r6lib

1996-09-10 Thread Simon Martin
Hi all,

Whilst trying to install tk40 I get a dependency error on elf-x11r6lib.
I've checked the Debian Web and ftp sites and haven't been able to find it.
Can anyone tell me where to access this file?

Simon Martin[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Old software engineers never die, they just fail to boot

Any Trademarks used in this document are recognized as Registered
Trademarks of their respective owners.



Re: Base system installation

1996-09-10 Thread Jason K. Keimig


On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:
 The unresolved symbols messages are harmless (unless you want to use
 nfs or the de4x5, in which case you end up rebuilding the kernel).

 The problem here is if you _need_ nfs for mounting disks with the buzz/
hierarchy for installing the rest of the distribution (like gcc and the
kernel source)..

Jason



Re: time to split the list?

1996-09-10 Thread Eric Fluger
Yes!!

(In addition, 
a master containing all messages would probobly be appreciated by 
the thorough, the obsesive and the idle.)

ALSO: Making either the master or all subsets available as a digest 
would REALLY help!  I'm getting the firewall list this way.  
It's very tidy. 
(Perhaps those maintaining it could offer some pointers.)

- ef



Richard G. Roberto wrote:
 
 On Thu, 5 Sep 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:
 
  Some newbies tell me they find debian-user intimidating due to the high
  level of technical discussion that sometimes goes on there. Is it time
  to split the list? About 2 years ago I proposed a separate list just for
  people trying to install the system. At the time we did not have enough
  traffic for that. We probably do now.
 
  I would propose:
 
debian-install
debian-nontechnical
debian-technical
 
  Now I just have to find our list administrator :-) .
 
Bruce
 
 
 This sounds like a good idea, but I'd sure like to see one
 of the lists a superset of the others if that's possible (a
 la crossposting?)  Also, there's a new section in linux
 journal providing help with various distributions.  Last
 time I checked, Debian didn't have an entry.  Perhaps we
 should come up with a debian-support list?
 
 Thanks
 
 Richard G. Roberto
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 201-739-2886 - whippany, nj
 
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 ***
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Re: Base system installation

1996-09-10 Thread Bruce Perens
From: Jason K. Keimig [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:
  The unresolved symbols messages are harmless (unless you want to use
  nfs or the de4x5, in which case you end up rebuilding the kernel).
 
  The problem here is if you _need_ nfs for mounting disks with the buzz/
 hierarchy for installing the rest of the distribution (like gcc and the
 kernel source)..

Yes. I went to build a new disk set, but I am a bit short on time :-) . If
somebody else wants to build a disk set, that would be fine.

Thanks

Bruce



Babel installation fix?

1996-09-10 Thread David Morris
Last week I tried to remove and then reinstall Babel3.6-4 and faced the
same bug that someone wrote about last week (I had previously sent a bug
report in to the bug-reports address). The error involved MakeTeXTeX
filling the drive with the endless loop of trying to make a non-existent
(that I can have yet to find) manfnt.mf (if I remembering correctly).

dpkg now sees this package sitting there broken. it can't install it and
it can't purge it because it always gets stuck in this loop.

I haven't heard anything back about either the bug report or the message
in this list.

How can this be fixed?

So far anything I've wanted to install has gone very smoothly. Do I have
to completely remove TeX and then reinstall it? (ugh) or is there someway
to get Babel to either get installed or purged (I really don't need it,
but it won't hurt to have it there)

I was content to just have it sit there broken while waiting for word from
someone, but now I find that I can't use TeX or LaTeX because it thinks
Babel is still there and functional.

--
David Morris  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
---
The fundamental question in life is whether we live it from the
outside in or from the inside out. - Fritz Perls (founder, Gestalt therapy)
---
   Home Page: http://www.netins.net/showcase/dmorris/
---



Re: how to sign up to debian-devel?

1996-09-10 Thread Christian Schwarz

The same thing here!

But today I got an email from Bruce Perens [EMAIL PROTECTED] who told me,
that he had problems contacting the mailing list admin via email and he
wants to fix this.


Chris

--  _,, Christian Schwarz
   / o \__   [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
   !   ___;   [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   \  /
  \\\__/  !PGP-fp: 8F 61 EB 6D CF 23 CA D7  34 05 14 5C C8 DC 22 BA
   \  / http://www.informatik.tu-muenchen.de/~schwarz/
-.-.,---,-,-..---,-,-.,.-.-
  DIE ENTE BLEIBT DRAUSSEN!



Re: Dselect

1996-09-10 Thread Guy Maor
On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, Mark Phillips wrote:

 As I understand it, buzz is the current stable version and rex is
 the current unstable version.

buzz is *NOT* the current stable version.  buzz is the version that was
pressed on all CDs.  If you use buzz, you will be exposing yourself to
major security holes discovered since buzz was released.

Please use buzz-fixed, aka stable, aka Debian-1.1-fixed, aka
Debian-1.1.x.  (x is incremented whenever a change is made).

The easiest way to stay current is to use the ftp method of dselect and
point it at stable.  Alternatively you can install all the packages in
/debian/buzz-updates/binary.

The READMEs in the /debian, /debian/buzz, /debian/buzz-updates, and
/debian/buzz-fixed explain all this.


Guy



Re: char-major-10

1996-09-10 Thread Vadik V. Vygonets
On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Boris Beletsky wrote:

 bruce [...] Do this command:
 bruce
 brucels /dev |grep 10,
 bruce
 bruceand you will see those devices - you are trying to open one of them.
 brucePerhaps one of the mouse interfaces?
 
 -cut here
 sim:~# ls /dev | grep 10,
 Exit 1
 sim:~# ls /dev | grep 10
 [lots of crap]
 ---cut here--
 so is it 10, / 10 ?
 and i am not sure how can i find the solution to this prob.
 I think i missed somthing. can u plz tell me what exactly device i should
 create?
 
 thks alot

The command is kinda wrong.  See this:

marvin:~ ls -l /dev | grep 10,
crw-rw-rw-   1 root sys   10,   3 Jan  1  1970 atimouse
crw-rw-rw-   1 root sys   10,   4 Jan  1  1970 jmouse
crw-rw-rw-   1 root sys   10,   0 Jan  1  1970 logimouse
crw-rw-rw-   1 root sys   10,   2 Jan  1  1970 msmouse
crw-rw-rw-   1 root sys   10,   1 Jan  1  1970 psmouse
marvin:~ 

 borik

Vad.

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Linux hackers are funny people: They count the time in patchlevels.



Re: libg++-2.7.2.deb is old?

1996-09-10 Thread Bruce Perens
From: Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 In order to test a local copy of buzz-fixed before burning it on a
 CD-ROM, we tried to run dpkg --root=... --unpack, just to see if the
 files aren't corrupted.
[...]
 Selecting previously deselected package perl.
 Unpacking perl (from .../devel/perl_5.003-2.deb) ...
 dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute new pre-installation script: No such
 file or directory
 dpkg: error processing yigal/debian/buzz-fixed/binary-i386/devel/perl_5.0
 03-2.deb (--unpack):
 subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 2

It's complaining that it can't find the interpreter for the pre-installation
script in the perl package.

Install the base system on the disk before you unpack packages to it.
The best way is to do it via floppies the way one would normally install
a system, as everything will be configured
properly. You might try to extract disks-i386/current/base1_1.tgz there
instead, but that will not completely configure the system so some stuff
might still break.

The libg++ doesn't compile with the ELF libc. That's why it's in that
state. I'm not sure what's happening with this - whether there is a
maintainer working on it or if we're just going to wait for GNU LIBC 6.

Watch out for dangling symbolic limks. It's best to test an install from
your CD-writable pre-master using the dselect program. Another company
got burned by this recently and had to replace 50 CD-writables.

Thanks

Bruce



Re: Worldnet.att.net via Linux PPP Connection

1996-09-10 Thread David L. Craig
As Ron Welch wrote:

 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 09:52:23 -0400
 From: Ron Welch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Organization: Lockheed Martin Control Systems
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
 Subject: Re: Worldnet.att.net via Linux PPP Connection
 
 The following message was posted to the Caldera mailing list a while back.
 
 -- 
 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-===-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 Ron Welch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: (607) 770-3701   Fax: (607) 
 770-2056
 Lockheed Martin Control Systems 600 Main Street Johnson City, NY 
 13790-1888
 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-===-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 
 
 
 Connecting Linux and ATT Worldnet Services
 
[ Excellent material elided -- dlc ]
 
 
 Last Update 5 April 1996

I was very unhappy to see this nice explanation ignore the
perils of IP routing between the ISP and internal networks.
Does anyone suppose its original source could be located so
at least a paragraph could be inserted warning of the danger
and recommending the user hook up with his network
administrator to ensure he doesn't inadvertantly create a
backdoor into his organization?



Re: kernel compile problem

1996-09-10 Thread Vadik V. Vygonets
On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, Boris Beletsky wrote:

 gsolisnow my question is which gcc (what version ?) or what i have to do
 gsolisfor compile the new kernel.?
 i whould say - reinstall the all system
 there lots of thigs that u need to upgrade - libs , etc..
 so i think thats the best thing u could do.
 if u're realy want to do it manualy (NOOO!!!) then email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 he is the only person i know that did it. (crazy hacker)

Crazy -- yes, hacker -- not yet :)

I did it on my slackware (yes! in elder days of Linux) system, well, with
HOWTOs in my hands (actually, with nutscrape between my fingers), but I
won't tell you to RTFM, I'll gladly help.  Well, but I think that
upgrading debian packages will work (but I'm not sure).  My current system
(Debian 1.1, mostly) has a.out libs installed too.

 Regards
 borik

Borik you promised me RedHat fortune ;)

All the best,
Vadik the Elf ([EMAIL PROTECTED]).

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Vygonets (_.lf  PGP public key (ID 9FC1DED9) available from surfnet.nl
Linux hackers are funny people: They count the time in patchlevels.



Re: -lX11 problem

1996-09-10 Thread Vadik V. Vygonets
On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, Stoyan Kenderov wrote:

 Boris Beletsky wrote:
  
 
 Hi Boris,
 
 you might try adding an -L/usr/X11R6/lib to the CFLAGS line of the
 Makeflag (or unlesss you don't use one on the gcc line.
 I also had this sort of trouble a long time ago. Which compiler version
 and binutils are you using?

It's better to run this command from /usr:
ln -s X11R6 X11

 It is a misnomer in the configuration of the GCC, ld I think.
 
 RESPONSIBILITY OFF
 just my 2 cents.
 RESPONSIBILITY ON

#ifndef RESPONSIBILITY
I hate HTMLisms!  I like C! :)
#endif

Vad.

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Vygonets (_.lf  PGP public key (ID 9FC1DED9) available from surfnet.nl
Linux hackers are funny people: They count the time in patchlevels.



Re: Boot hangs with 16M ram

1996-09-10 Thread Brian C. White
 My debian box doesn't seem to be able to boot with
 16 megs ram!!
 
 Dos and windows works fine, but Linux just hangs after
 it does partition check. I boot with lilo, using both
 kernels 2.0.17  18. The basic Debian boot disks crash
 when mounting the ramdisk, dumping register values and
 informing me of a protection fault. Help!!

You probably have a hardware problem with the memory.  I recently tried
to add an extra 16MB to my system.  It was EDO ram and worked fine under
dos/windows, but not Linux.  Linux places much higher stress on the
memory subsystem.
 
  Brian
 ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] )
 
---
In theory, theory and practice are the same.  In practice, they're not.



Re: missing 'savelog' command

1996-09-10 Thread Giuseppe Vacanti

`dpkg -S savelog' on my system reports:

debianutils: /usr/man/man8/savelog.8
debianutils: /usr/bin/savelog

At some stage it disappeared from my machine as well. I just reinstalled it.

Giuseppe



Re: libg++-2.7.2.deb is old?

1996-09-10 Thread Amos Shapira
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write:
|From: Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| In order to test a local copy of buzz-fixed before burning it on a
| CD-ROM, we tried to run dpkg --root=... --unpack, just to see if the
| files aren't corrupted.
|[...]
| Selecting previously deselected package perl.
| Unpacking perl (from .../devel/perl_5.003-2.deb) ...
| dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute new pre-installation script: No such
| file or directory
| dpkg: error processing yigal/debian/buzz-fixed/binary-i386/devel/perl_5.0
| 03-2.deb (--unpack):
| subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 2
|
|It's complaining that it can't find the interpreter for the pre-installation
|script in the perl package.

Which interpreter?  When I run dpkg -I on the perl package I see only
#!/bin/sh scripts.  And if it's missing (whatever it is) then what should
I do to install it?

|
|Install the base system on the disk before you unpack packages to it.

I did an untar of base1_1.tgz into that directory.

|The best way is to do it via floppies the way one would normally install
|a system, as everything will be configured
|properly. You might try to extract disks-i386/current/base1_1.tgz there
|instead, but that will not completely configure the system so some stuff
|might still break.

Isn't it possible to supply a usable base tree?  Why can't a fully
configured tree be provided?

I might be totally wrong here, but I'd like to test things by manually
installing whatever is need to be done, rather than let dselect and
the boot disks do their magic behind my back.  I think I'd just feel
more comfortable with the resulting image if I knew what actually is
happening in there.

|
|The libg++ doesn't compile with the ELF libc. That's why it's in that
|state. I'm not sure what's happening with this - whether there is a
|maintainer working on it or if we're just going to wait for GNU LIBC 6.

I understand.  But what's the difference between the --root=...
environment and without that would cause such a message?

|
|Watch out for dangling symbolic limks. It's best to test an install from
|your CD-writable pre-master using the dselect program. Another company
|got burned by this recently and had to replace 50 CD-writables.

Oh, I'm not doing it for profit.  I want to help people around me to
have easier access to Debian.

|
|   Thanks

Thank you for everything.

|
|   Bruce
|

--Amos

--Amos Shapira| Of course Australia was marked for
133 Shlomo Ben-Yosef st.  |  glory, for its people had been chosen
Jerusalem 93 805  |  by the finest judges in England.
ISRAEL [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Anonymous