pls, send to the right address
Please, everybody: could you address your e-mails to the list, instead of sending them personally to somebody and cc them to the list? Many people (like me) set up filters to separate mailing lists from personal e-mail, and check the To: field in the message header. To have the filter check for the Cc: field as well slows down a lot the filter, and I'd like to avoid this, if possible. Thanks Giacomo Mulas Amiga makes it possible, Mac makes it expensive, Win95 just makes Bill Gates rich... -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: 2.6.3i mQCNAzE6TXQAAAEEAJ9orKstyXnCaObmSOsiZJxlas/qZpE11T2OGJnveozcIqdI 9/XtuYIGxEyV3ux65+U1j0x9l+dyhgj1Yg7Cro4UuKeB3ggnbrcyrUe5zUex2fgW Gp0FPvPetji4YDxHm0YxldanoJmXHQNZdYCgGesB4xu8kApd/m0PgxAg+26NAAUR tCJHaWFjb21vIE11bGFzIDxqYWNvbW9AbWJveC52b2wuaXQ+iQCVAwUQMTpNdG0P gxAg+26NAQF0iwP+OCnZgD3+eAl95ELg+o9p+c3LhFqidk/Quvj6MTiKbAqFjvs1 CXVFwXxP+pLTpDfW6LXeFWD34dlGHWckTTBD3ilC2PuTf6DXE10b0PDcW12us5yZ FWLPMg2BXV0E2VSBD9dPqqfpH8NLqKcMVQ3in8cCKcq9H6p7RPQAvPT1j6w= =5pim -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: get-news.inn script in suck-3.3.2-1 package...
I hate to follow up to myself but here we go anyway: On Sat, 4 Jan 1997, Paul Seelig wrote: I just installed suck-3.3.2-1 at my Debian-1.2 system and noticed that when i upload the messages from my own newsserver to our universities newshost using the supplied get-news.inn script i get the following error message (look for --relevant part on the right hand side): [examples removed] But as it seems obviously nobody so far had any trouble with the script like i had because i never read any complaints about this very fact on usenet and i wonder why? Is there possibly something else wrong with my news setup? Which would make me wonder because i strictly kept to the Debian stuff and didn't tinker with the provided scripts. Robert Yetman, the maintainer of the original suck distribution, gave me the hint to check '/etc/news/newsfeeds' for the flags 'Wf'. It turned out that the flag 'f' which adds the article files to be uploaded with their full pathname to '/var/spool/news/.outgoing/the.remote.site'. Replacing it with 'n' resulted in adding the pathname relative to the news spool directory and the script 'get-news.inn' now works as devised. :-) Looks like the INN package maintainer and the suck package maintainer should have a talk with each other, isn't it? Cheers, P. *8^) -- Paul Seelig [EMAIL PROTECTED] African Music Archive - Institute for Ethnology and Africa Studies Johannes Gutenberg-University - Forum 6 - 55099 Mainz/Germany Our AMA Homepage in the WWW at http://www.uni-mainz.de/~bender/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: using fork in cgi perl
Hi...
Thanks for the help.
I've tried different combinations of using wait. And they all work fine
for making the child exit. But now the problem is that the parent for some
reason is not going to completion. It seems the very first statement in
the parent (after the child) executes, but the rest doesn't :(
Basically I have:
# cgi initialization ...
...
# output a list of users to a file
unless (fork) {
# output html code
}
else {
wait;
# debug
system (cp /tmp/email.list /tmp/email.list2);
while (list of users) {
# read in file above and send mail to each recipient
}
# debug
system (cp /tmp/email.list /tmp/email.list3);
}
That's pretty much what I have. I also put in a close STDOUT to force
the html output to go out. But what's happening now is that the parent
process is not doing its entire task. For debug, I put in some file copy
statements as seen above. The first cp goes thru, but I never get an
email.list3 file...
? help! ;)
Ricardo
On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, Jens B. Jorgensen wrote:
Well, the child is a zombie because the process which called fork
did not wait() on the child process. This can be accomplished
asynchronously by handling the SIGCHLD signal. The following (somewhat
modified to remove unecessary SysV stuff) example comes from the
perlipc manpage:
sub REAPER {
$waitedpid = wait;
}
$SIG{CHLD} = \REAPER;
# now do something that forks...
That code will make sure the child doesn't sit there as a zombie.
As for why the result doesn't come up quickly I can't speculate
since I don't know what you're doing.
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stablize a debian release
Hi,
I'm a new debian user and currently experiencing some problems
with the debian 1.2 release. I'm wondering if any tests have
been performed before each of the debian release. It seemed to
me that all the problems I've encountered could have been easily
detected if any test has been done.
Instead of complaining about these problems. I'd like to know
what can people like me can do to help stablizing the debian
distribution.
I'm a project lead at my current work. I know one or two thing
about project management and testing before each release. I also
have 4 harddrives with a total of 10G space where I believe that I
can install any release for testing. I also want to be a few packages
developer for the debian as well after I learn the dpkg, etc.
So let me or this group know what to do to make a good release!
Many thanks in advance!
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gcc
Hi,
I'm running into another problem again with gcc while try to
build vile.
The gcc can not load -ltermcap nor -lncurses. Here are the
two small programs that caused the problem:
prog1.c
char initscr(); int main() { initscr(); return 0; }
$ gcc prog1.c -lncurses
ld: cannot open -lncurses: no such file or directory
prog2.c
char tgoto(); int main() { tgoto(); return 0; }
$ gcc prog1.c -ltermcap
ld: cannot open -ltermcap: no such file or directory
both libs are in /lib:
libncurses.so.3.0
libtermcap.so.2 - libtermcap.so.2.0.8
libtermcap.so.2.0.8
BTW, I got these two small programs from the configure script of the
vile6.4 package.
Any idea? Many thanks!
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get-news.inn script in suck-3.3.2-1 package...
Hello everybody!
I just installed suck-3.3.2-1 at my Debian-1.2 system and noticed that
when i upload the messages from my own newsserver to our universities
newshost using the supplied get-news.inn script i get the following error
message (look for --relevant part on the right hand side):
---cut-here
Processed history, 0 dupes removed
Total Articles to Download: 33
246344 Bytes Received in 1 mins 9.01 seconds, BPS = 3569.9
Closed connection to infosys.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE
Building Inn Batch File
Downloaded Articles
Ok
reloaded ctlinnd
Using Port 119
Official host name: infosys.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE
Alias news.uni-mainz.de
Address: 134.93.8.129
Connected to infosys.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE
200 news.uni-mainz.de InterNetNews NNRP server INN 1.4 22-Dec-93 ready
(posting ok).
/var/spool/news//var/spool/news/jogu/test/1 does not exist--relevant part
Skipping Empty Article
Closing connection to infosys.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE
Remotely posted articles
rm: /var/lib/suck/rpost.news.uni-mainz.de.6887: No such file or directory
You can hang up the modem now
Posted Articles Locally
[root]/root cat /var/spool/news/.outgoing/news.uni-mainz.de
[root]/root
cut-here--
And after this my /var/spool/news/.outgoing/news.uni-mainz.de is simple
gone without having posted anything which is not very nice.
The entries in /etc/suck/get-news.conf are
server: localhost
remoteserver: news.uni-mainz.de
outgoingfile: news.uni-mainz.de
Now in the script /usr/sbin/get-news.inn the part in question as
follows:
cut-here--
# outgoing articles to post
${RPOST} ${REMOTE_SERVER} ${AUTHOPTS} -b ${OUTGOINGNEW} \\ c'd n.l.
-p ${SPOOLDIR} -f \$\$o=${OUTFILE} ${SCRIPT} \$\$i ${OUTFILE}
if [ $? -ne 0 ]; then
echo Error remote posting
exit -1;
else
echo Remotely posted articles
rm ${OUTFILE} ${OUTGOINGNEW}
fi
cut-here--
The variable -p ${SPOOLDIR} expands to /var/spool/news/ and gets
prefixed to the articles numbers to be posted as stated in
/var/spool/news/.outgoing/name.of.news.site ($OUTGOING) which already
are listed there containing the full path of their location on the local
site's spool. Therefore the whole thing expands to the following name
/var/spool/news//var/spool/news/group/name/article/1
for which the script just returns an error message and quits.
I've changed the part in question in /usr/sbin/get-news.inn manually:
cut-here--
# outgoing articles to post
${RPOST} ${REMOTE_SERVER} ${AUTHOPTS} -b ${OUTGOINGNEW} \\ ct'd
-f \$\$o=${OUTFILE} ${SCRIPT} \$\$i ${OUTFILE}
if [ $? -ne 0 ]; then
echo Error remote posting
mv ${OUTGOINGNEW} ${OUTGOING}
else
echo Remotely posted articles
rm ${OUTFILE} ${OUTGOINGNEW}
fi
cut-here--
I only removed the variable -p ${SPOOLDIR} and changed the line after
'echo Error remote posting' to mv ${OUTGOINGNEW} ${OUTGOING} instead
of exit -1; so that my list of articles to be posted is preserved.
This way it works just like a charm. Actually i had to change this stuff
manually whenever i installed suck before. The original distribution
contains exactly the same flaw.
But as it seems obviously nobody so far had any trouble with the script
like i had because i never read any complaints about this very fact on
usenet and i wonder why? Is there possibly something else wrong with my
news setup? Which would make me wonder because i strictly kept to the
Debian stuff and didn't tinker with the provided scripts.
Any ideas someone?
Regards, P. *8^)
PS: I sent a copy of this mail either to the maintainer of the original
suck distribution as well as to the maintainer of the Debian package.
Therefore i have attached the original get-news.inn under the name of
get-news.inn.dist and the one i have changed as get-news.inn.
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#!/bin/sh
# NOTE: this script needs to be run by root.
# Debian systems will not allow normal users to run ctlinnd and innxmit.
# Script distributed with suck but modified by Christophe Le Bars for the
Debian package.
# authinfo compatibility by Brian Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED].
Re: sendmail procmail troubles!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, Mario Olimpio de Menezes wrote: Well, my problem persist. Even after downgrading to rex, using netbase_2.06-1.deb, netstd_2.08-1.deb, popclient_3.05-3.deb, procmail_3.10-4.deb and sendmail_8.7.6-2.deb, I can't get procmail filtering my mails anymore. Any hints? Currently, mail filtering works for me. I'm using: * procmail (any version works). * fetchmail (latest version from bo, 2.6-1). * I don't need sendmail (in fact, I don't have it currently installed). I do *exactly* the following: This is my script pop.sandra, used to fetch mail from my ISP's mail server (called sandra.ctv.es). I run this script from a normal user called sanvila on my machine (which is the normal user uid 1000 :-). *---cut-- #!/bin/sh fetchmail -a sandra.ctv.es -m $HOME/bin/procesa.pop * Normally fetchmail delivers directly to port 25, but I still prefer to deliver to this procesa.pop script, using fetchmail's -m option. This script is like this: *-cut-- #!/bin/sh formail -Y -s procmail *-cut-- (I usually removed Received: fields here, but now I do that from within the .procmail file itself). and my .fetchmailrc is like this: *cut and modify to suit your needs-- server sandra.ctv.es protocol pop3 password my.password *--- I think that's all. Well, this was only the first part. The second part, of course, is to write a suitable ~/.procmailrc file. For debian lists filtering I like to use the Resent-Sender fields, like this: :0: * ^Resent-Sender.*debian-user-request@ debian-user (This is to be added to your current .procmailrc). You can check wether your .procmail works or not by doing: cat mbox-type-file-with-several-messages | formail -s procmail. This will recycle the mbox file, as it would have been just received. Hope this helps. [ If you don't succeed, contact me privately. ] @bye -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 iQCVAwUBMs6QYiqK7IlOjMLFAQGGqgQAgJv7DNNacoQVv7IvB9So2VJGMOSkH9rp v8aR2Tu3CV5neexd+21Hr+kPMw9pDfOYhfZElN7i6i3GNf+kX0Soxjq+xrJafUvD +IANjVYMOERuXkYya2WONanMDiA3WhkF1HUcGvU4wdUzPJ9iV/MazQdwbJxFnHkr 3Aqe1CQmzRI= =6QJ/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Santiago Vila [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sendmail procmail troubles!
Mario == Mario Olimpio de Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mario I'm using popclient to retrieve mail from my Mario server. It's working fine, after a reinstall it. I didn't Mario ask to remove it. I was mystified by this, too. It appears that popclient has been obsoleted. It used to be in the netstd package but the new netstd package doesn't provide it. I solved this problem by installing the new 'fetchmail' package. I had to change my scripts, but now I've got everything working. I like the new 'pon' and 'poff' programs! -- Nathan L. Cutler Linux Enthusiast http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~nlc -- This message was delayed because the list mail delivery agent was down.
Re: No ftp? Have I missed something?
Kendrick Myatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Um, how am I supposed to connect to the ftp site if I don't have ftp? Heck, I don't have any inet capabilities except for ping! Maybe I missed something in the documentation, but it appears that have a pretty useless system installed here. Is there someplace I can look that will actually tell me how to set Debian up? I swear, this is really annoying. I have installed many complicated OS in my life, but this takes the cake :( Does everyone go through this crap, or did I get defective files or something? *sigh* Debian is already lambasted for needing more disks than anyone else. The base disks only contain the netbase package, which is the basic binaries need to get a TCP/IP connection up, and not netstd, which is all the clients and daemons you expect. What is on the base disks is dpkg-ftp (it uses perl's Net::FTP, not ftp). Fire up dselect and choose the ftp method. You can download all the other packages with it. Hint - choose netstd for starters. :) Guy -- This message was delayed because the list mail delivery agent was down.
Re: Interviews...
Someone please send me there pppd files so i can see what i am doing wrong with my setup... thanks.. On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, Joey Hess wrote: Hello. When writing papers, I have always used idraw to make my figures - I like it alot more than xfig for various reasons. Anyways, Interviews has been largely unsupported for the last year or two, so I took one of my trusty old Slackware CDs and made an interviews package. Note that the binaries (and libraries) are a.out - they're from an ANCIENT Slackware, as I said. Also, this package doesn't really support the Linux Filesystem standard at all - same reason as previously mentioned. I have no desire to do anything other than the most minimal support for this package, but I was curious if anyone else would be interested in it. If so, I will look into uploading it somewhere. I have been interested in interviews for debian so I could package up mxv, a rather good sound editing program. I've never gotten mxv to compile, though, but maybe I'd have more luck if I didn't have to compile the interviews stuff on my own too. But a.out?! Is this a binary-only package, or something? -- #!/usr/bin/perl -i\$q='$q',\$p='$p';eval\$q.\$\^I\n# # [EMAIL PROTECTED] $q='print$p$^I\n',$p='#!/usr/bin/perl -i';eval$q.$^I # Joey Hess He. He. He. - - Herman Toothrot -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message was delayed because the list mail delivery agent was down.
Re: [1.2 installation]: how to tell X to follow swapping of control - more info. and caps lock from loadkeys
From: Orn E. Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] What's the best way to swap the Caps Lock and left Control keys under X windows? = It's right in the man page for xmodmap: Thanks for the information, thought not for the possible attitude. (How would someone know to look in xmodmap?) .. Put those lines into a file, and then run 'xmodmap [file]' and the Control_Left and Caps_Lock keys change places. With or without the extension. After some digging (through startx and xinitrc scripts), I found that the _right_ answer involves putting those lines in /etc/X11/Xmodmap (or .Xmodmap)--so they get executed automatically by startx and the (default) system xinitrc script. Daniel -- This message was delayed because the list mail delivery agent was down.
emacs: can't find library /usr/lib/libXaw.so.6 for user, but not for root [try1]
When I run emacs as root, it works fine. However, when I run it as a mere mortal (from a normal user account), I get the message: emacs: can't find library /usr/lib/libXaw.so.6 What might cause this difference? Thanks, Daniel -- This message was delayed because the list mail delivery agent was down.
Re: Missing: resq1200.bin
Gregory Vence [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Where can I find resq1200.bin ? its not on ftp.debian.org. I created a 1.2MB rescue disk, it is available from ftp://ftp.inf.tu-dresden.de/pub/people/sr1/debian-boot/ You have to create an additional root disk; the README says: - The file resq1200.bin contains a floppy image for a Debian rescue floppy. Copy it to floppy (e.g. using rawrite). In addition you need to create a root floppy in the same way . Use the root.bin file that can be found together with the 1.44MB rescue floppy on the Debian FTP server. Boot the rescue floppy. Insert the root floppy when the kernel asks you for this. Sven -- Sven Rudolph [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; WWW : http://www.sax.de/~sr1/ -- This message was delayed because the list mail delivery agent was down.
Re: Corrupted superblock on msdog partition
Nathan L. Cutler writes: I'm running a modified 1.1 system. The whole question is moot now, On a separate problem, I had 1.1 on my system and for whatever reason, 1.1 refused to shutdown cleanly. At first it was random, then it became constant. Thanks to the redundancy in ext2, the boot up process recovered and fixed the corruption. After upgrading to 1.2, I've yet to see this problem. I feel confident enough to say that the upgrade fixed it. because I've moved the disk that contains the damaged partition to another box. I think one of two things happened: (1) the msdog partition was not synced when I rebooted and the reboot left it in an unstable state, or (2) DOSEMU (which I was running on the partition as ^^ That may be the problem--^ well) left the partition in an unstable state when I exited. Today I realized a long-time dream of mine -- I built myself a second box for msdog and NT. Hopefully, I'll never have to run two operating Good for you!! 8-) [snip] run Windows software against their better judgment, I highly recommend The only reason I drop back to dos is to run games. I don't trust DOSEMU. -- -= Sent by Debian 1.2 Linux =- Thomas Kocourek KD4CIK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: News setup?
bob writes: Hello all, I am setting up my home computer with Debian 1.2 and so far so good. My question concerns my desire to use Suck to pull down newsgroups that I am interested in. What package do I need to be able to allow Tin to read the articles that I have downloaded? I am a little confused by all that's available, Cnews, inn, etc... I am setting up a simple single user system so I really don't need anything elaborate. I would appreciate any suggestions. Hello Bob, I grab my info (mail news) via UUCP. I use Smail INN for transport/delivery. Tin works well with INN. If my setup sounds ok to you, I can send you my config files for INN and let you modify them for your use. -- -= Sent by Debian 1.2 Linux =- Thomas Kocourek KD4CIK [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to unmount before turn-off
On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, Terrence M. Brannon wrote: Everytime I restart Deb 1.2, it says /dev/hda3 not unmounted cleanly, check forced. I exited. then turned off my laptop. What should I have done first? You need to CTRL-ALT-DEL and reboot before shutdowning down. or as root, you can type shutdown -h now and it will halt the system. (won't reboot, just stop everything) Then power it off. -- Daniel Stringfield mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://users.southeast.net/~servo Send email for more information on the Jacksonville Linux Users Group! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: FTP problem when using dselect (fwd)
I couldn't reach the ftp.debian.org site this morning either, here's a list of the mirrors (from: ftp://debian.crosslink.net/pub/debian/README.mirrors): Argentina ftp.fceia.unr.edu.ar:/pub/linux/debian * - - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Australia ftp.debian.org.au:/debian* * - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ftp.it.com.au:/mirrors/linux/debian * * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] ftp.uwa.edu.au:/mirrors/debian * * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] sunsite.anu.edu.au:/pub/linux/distributions/debian * * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.unimelb.edu.au:/pub/unix/linux/debian* * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Austria dwst20.edvz.sbg.ac.at:/pub/unix/systems/linux/intel/debian - [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * Belgium ftp.belgium.eu.net:/pub/linux/debian * * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] ftp.cs.kuleuven.ac.be:/pub/unix/linux/debian * * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] ftp.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be:/pub/mirror/ftp.debian.org/debian * * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brazil linux.if.usp.br:/debian * * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Costa Rica simula.efis.ucr.ac.cr:/pub/debian* * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Croatia thphys.irb.hr:/pub/linux/Debian * * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Czech Republic sunsite.mff.cuni.cz:/OS/Linux/Dist/Debian* * * http://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/ftp/OS/Linux/Dist/Debian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Denmark sunsite.auc.dk:/pub/os/linux/debian * * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Finland ftp.funet.fi:/pub/Linux/mirrors/debian * * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] France ftp.ibp.fr:/pub/linux/distributions/debian * * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] ftp.u-bordeaux.fr:/pub/Linux/debian * * - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Germany ftp.inka.de:/debian * - * This site also mirrors the non-US packages at os.inf.tu-dresden.de in /pub/mirror/ftp.inf.tu-dresden.de/debian-non-US [EMAIL PROTECTED] ftp.mathematik.th-darmstadt.de:/pub/linux/distributions/debian - [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * * ftp.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de:/pub/linux/mirror.debian * * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] ftp.tu-clausthal.de:/pub/linux/debian* * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] ftp.uni-erlangen.de:/pub/Linux/debian* * * NFS-mountable /public/pub/Linux/debian This site also mirrors the non-US packages at os.inf.tu-dresden.de in /pub/Linux/debian/debian-non-US WWW: http://ftp.uni-erlangen.de/pub/Linux/debian [EMAIL PROTECTED] ftp.uni-mainz.de:/pub/Linux/debian * * * This site also mirrors the non-US packages at os.inf.tu-dresden.de in /pub/Linux/debian-non-US AFS: file://afs/zdv.uni-mainz.de/public/ftp/pub/Linux/debian AFS: file://afs/zdv.uni-mainz.de/public/ftp/pub/Linux/debian-local [EMAIL PROTECTED] os.inf.tu-dresden.de:/debian * * * This is the master site for Debian Non-US packages that can't be at ftp.debian.org due to legal reasons (ie export restrictions) in /pub/debian-non-US [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hungary ftp.tarki.hu:/mirrors/Debian * * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Korea ftp.kreonet.re.kr:/pub/Linux/debian * * * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Italy ftp.ibm.it:/pub/Debian * * - This site also mirrors the non-US packages at os.inf.tu-dresden.de in /pub/Debian/non-US [EMAIL PROTECTED] palmaria.garda-access.com:/pub/linux/debian * * - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Netherlands ftp.leidenuniv.nl:/pub/linux/debian -
Re: How do people on this list backup stuff?
On Sat, 4 Jan 1997, Walter Tautz wrote: I am curious to find out how people back stuff? Specifically I am interested in finding out whether it is necessary to use a tape system or is it also possible to use another Tape is common. hardrive. Afterall, it would appear a hardrive is cheaper than a *quality* tape system? Not really. With a harddrive, you can not have 20 copies in 20 locations. :) The good thing about tape systems, is that you can make a backup, and take it off location, or have a different one for each day of the week. That way, if something got screwed up on Tuesday, and you copy to the other hard drive every day, and its Friday... its been engraved on your only backup. With the tape, you can pull out mondays backup, and restore what you need from there. One good solution to have is a mirror harddrive, for HARDWARE FAILURE, and a tape backup, for DATA FAILURE. -- Daniel Stringfield mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://users.southeast.net/~servo Send email for more information on the Jacksonville Linux Users Group! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How do people on this list backup stuff?
On Sat, 4 Jan 1997, Walter Tautz wrote: I am curious to find out how people back stuff? Specifically I am interested in finding out whether it is necessary to use a tape system or is it also possible to use another hardrive. Afterall, it would appear a hardrive is cheaper than a *quality* tape system? I'm using a perl script to automate a series of dumps. I run a full backup of /, /usr, /var, /home once a week, with an incremental every night except full night. For space reasons, I'd rather not post the script here, but it's free to anyone for the asking I have an HP/Colorado T1000 tape drive, but wouldn't recommend it. It's quite small relative to my filesystems (400MB per tape), and I'd love to hear what tape drives work well (i.e. easily) on a SCSI bus. It's slow, IMO, but that doesn't matter when your backups run via cron. --Pete ___ Peter J. Templin, Jr. Client Services Analyst Computer Communication Services tel: (717) 524-1590 Bucknell University [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [1.2 installation]: how to tell X to follow swapping of control and caps lock from loadkeys
From: Steve Dunham [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just read the config files and man XF86Config. Add the following to the Keyboard section of XF86Config: XkbRules xfree86 XkbModel microsoft XkbLayout us XkbOptions ctrl:swapcaps If you want the control keys _and_ caps lock to both do control, use ctrl:nocaps. All possible values for the above are listed in /usr/X11/lib/X11/xkb/rules/xfree86 This is the proper way to fix the control keys with XFree 3.2. That sounds a lot better. Thanks, Daniel -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Curious thing about 1.1 - 1.2 upgrade problems
From: Rick Macdonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've been living off the unstable tree for almost a year. Back when the version was 0.95r6 or something like that. I really haven't had any problems to speak about, and certainly not all the problems that people are writing about when upgrading 1.1 - 1.2. One reason may be that I just don't have as many packages installed, but I was wondering if anybody had any other explainations as to why many small incremental upgrades over the months seems to be more stable (in the sense of installations not breaking) than making larger leaps from point release to point release. I'd really like to hear that my observation is indeed false, since upgradability is, of course, one of our major claims for Debian. I wonder: Was the Debian 1.2 release ever tested? That is, did anyone at Debian try installing it from scratch? Of the problems I've hit, I don't really know which are because of InfoMagic's bad CD-ROM, but a lot seem to be from the Debian release itself. (For example, at least from my CD-ROM, Netscape wrapper package depends on X11R6, but there is no package X11R6, and no package provides X11R6.) Daniel -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: using fork in cgi perl
Well, the child is a zombie because the process which called fork
did not wait() on the child process. This can be accomplished
asynchronously by handling the SIGCHLD signal. The following (somewhat
modified to remove unecessary SysV stuff) example comes from the
perlipc manpage:
sub REAPER {
$waitedpid = wait;
}
$SIG{CHLD} = \REAPER;
# now do something that forks...
That code will make sure the child doesn't sit there as a zombie.
As for why the result doesn't come up quickly I can't speculate
since I don't know what you're doing.
You might have to use the 'double fork()' trick. This creates two childs,
where the second child becomes a child of init when the first child have
exited and the parent wait()'s for the first child. See man perlfunc for
more info. Sorry I don't give more info, just had a party and had had
quite a lot of choice from delicious drinks :)
Maarten
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Re: OK to install across 2 HDs?
On Sat, 4 Jan 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to install Debian Linux into various partitions on 2 harddisks. hdb holds 400 MB, and hdc around 1.1 GB. You bet. If possible, stick to hda and hdc. I saw a 10 to 1 performance improvement in Win95 ScanDisk when I moved my second 1.2G Western Digital to secondary master from primary slave (primary master is an identical 1.2 WD). But yes, NOTHING wrong with splitting across two drives. Try to split them intelligently for best performance. Here's some of my thoughts on partitioning: when you are reading data, you want it now. /home and /usr should not be on the same disk (launching emacs on a file will be reading both the executable and the file). /var probably should be on a different disk than /usr (same as /home?) because daemons want to write to their log file as they are starting up, etc. Here's a df on my server: Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Available Capacity Mounted on /dev/hda1 19485 10253 8226 55% / /dev/hda2 223494 14678165172 69% /usr /dev/hdc3 198123 11279 176613 6% /var /dev/hdc4 288354 542 272919 0% /tmp /dev/hda3 5600605788 525343 1% /nfs /dev/hdb12990073 2038838 796610 72% /server /dev/hdc2 is a 120M swap. /nfs holds /home and /var/spool/mail, you'll see why in a minute. Here's a df on my workstation: Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Available Capacity Mounted on /dev/hda3 39039785529168 21% / /dev/hda4 577609 307494 240279 56% /usr /dev/hdc3 99539764686753 8% /var /dev/hdc4 201043 37 190624 0% /tmp templinux:/nfs5600605789 525342 1% /nfs hda1 is 200M FAT (Win95 OS). hda2 is 400M NTFS (WinNTW 4.0). hdc1 is 800M FAT (Common 95/NT apps). hdc2 is 120M swap. On both machines, /home is a symlink to /nfs/home, and /var/spool/mail is a symlink to /nfs/spool/mail, allowing easy NFS mounting of user files with only one NFS mount (and one partition!). Finally, as far as I know, / doesn't have to be a primary partition. But are there any advantages to designating it as primary? I try to make every partition a primary, if possible (keep in mind that Linux can have four primaries, unlike DOS). I've seen a few (albeit older and non-Debian) Linux fdisk's choke on the whole extended/logical deal. --Pete ___ Peter J. Templin, Jr. Client Services Analyst Computer Communication Services tel: (717) 524-1590 Bucknell University [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How do people on this list backup stuff?
I am curious to find out how people back stuff? Specifically
I am interested in finding out whether it is necessary
to use a tape system or is it also possible to use another
hardrive. Afterall, it would appear a hardrive is cheaper
than a *quality* tape system?
I use the taper program for backups. I used to use a 125mb tape drive, but
I got tired of the slowness, switching tapes, and the errors that always
pop up on tapes.
So I dedicated a 500mb partition on one of my hard drives for a backup
partition, and I'm using taper to back up to it now. Taper can backup to
any medium, it seems. I use a commandline like this to start taper:
taper -T l -b /backup/backup.taper
The -T l sets the Type of backup to file, so taper will just write to a
file. The -b tells taper what file to use.
I've been using this for months, and I'm happy with it. Backups are much
faster now. One thing to bear in mind: don't use the same disk for /home
and /backup! A dedicated backup hd is probably a good idea.
Taper's available as a debian package.
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Re: FTP problem when using dselect (fwd)
Yes! This is EXACTLY what happens to me when it tries to connect to the ftp site using dselect. At least I know now that I'm not the only one :) The only difference is that it DIDN'T work once for me... Regards, Kendrick At 09:34 AM 1/3/97 -0500, Dale Scheetz wrote: Victor still can't post to the list, and I'm really swamped at the moment. Could someone give him a hand? Thanks, Dwarf -- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 If you don't see what you want, just ask -- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 07:28:58 -0500 From: Victor Torrico [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dale Scheetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FTP problem when using dselect Hi Dale, Sorry to bother you but I still can't post to the list. Would you really be kind and post this to the list for me? Victor - Using dselect and its ftp worked OK for one download. I tried dselect ftp again and was unable to log on. Has anyone had this problem and been able to correct it? I have tried purging and reinstalling dpkg-ftp and libnet. The messages I received follow: -- You must supply an ftp site, use of passive mode, username, password, path to the debian directory,list of distributions you are interested in and place to download the binary package files to (relative to /var/lib/dpkg/methods/ftp). Eg: ftp site: ftp.debian.org passive: y username: anonymous password: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ftp dir: /debian distributions: stable non-free contrib download dir: debian Enter ftp site [ftp.debian.org]: Use passive mode [y]: Enter username [anonymous]: If you're using anonymous ftp to retrieve files, enter your email address for use as a password. Otherwise enter ? and dpkg-ftp will prompt you each time. Enter password [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Enter debian directory [/debian/Debian-1.2-fixed]: Note: order here is important. Package files are scanned in order so later distributions will override earlier ones. So put stable before unstable. Enter space seperated list of distributions to get [admin base]: Enter directory to download binary package files to (relative to /var/lib/dpkg/methods/ftp/) [debian]: Using FTP to check directories...(stop with ^C) Connecting to ftp.debian.org... Net::FTP: Bad hostname 'ftp.debian.org' at /usr/lib/perl5/Net/FTP.pm line 405 FTP ERROR query/setup script returned error exit status 1. Press RETURN to continue. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No ftp? Have I missed something?
At 11:11 PM 1/2/97 -0400, Eloy A. Paris wrote: What do you mean? If you can ping any host in the Internet then you have anything you want (FTP, Telnet, News, WWW, etc.) - unless you are behind a firewall or something. Any way, what's the specific problem? ## That *is* the specific problem.. I don't have ftp, telnet, tin, lynx... anything BUT ping in /bin, oh and netstat :( That's why I can't connect to get more packages. Am I SUPPOSED to get these on the 4 base diskettes? If so, then something is wrong with them, or for some ungodly reason they just didn't install. So, unless there is some way for me to get packages without being able to ftp to the site, I am stuck. The main reason I wanted to go to Debian is so I could do just that and not have to download a bunch of diskettes like Slackware. Maybe I should have downloaded 1.1? I was under the assumption, from the docs, that 1.2 was the current release... Regards, Kendrick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No ftp? Have I missed something?
At 07:45 PM 1/2/97 -0800, Syrus Nemat-Nasser wrote: If you did not get the ftp binary, then you did not get a complete base system. It's included. Is your path okay? I think ftp should be in /usr/bin. ## That's what I was thinking. No, didn't get it... Do I have to download the 4 base diskettes for a third time to get it, or is there another disk that fixes this problem. I have installed Debian with base diskettes from the main site and a mirror. Path is fine, but I have no ftp in /usr/bin... or anywhere for that matter. I did a find / -name ftp -print and only came up with the entry in /usr/lib/dpkg/methods/ftp which is a dir with some files and an executable (setup?) that tries to run dpkg with ftp, but fails... I'm really starting to consider loading up 1.1 and NOT 1.2 Thanks for the reply, Kendrick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ping reply without OS (was: Re: Unidentified subject!)
This could be the result of the ARP cache in your router (or on your machine if you are running some routed type thing...) not expiring before the other server happened to come back up. I can't remember how long this is, and it _may_ be vendor specific when it comes to the hardware side. Regards, Kendrick At 03:16 PM 1/3/97 +0100, Martin Stromberg wrote: ping response can be handled by network hardware without OS running. Uhhmmm... hadn't heard of this ever before. To reply to a ping request the network card has to have an assigned IP address... -- Eloy A. Paris Information Technology Department Rockwell Automation de Venezuela Telephone: +58-2-9432311 Fax: +58-2-9430323 Yes, but I've seen it quite often. The symptoms are you can't connect with anything, rlogin, telnet or such programs; however the machine gladly replies to ping. I think the situation arises when an OS _has_ been running on the machine and then crashes or hangs; in this state the ethernet card has been assigned an IP address, and then it just answers any ping requests that comes its way, without any intervention of the OS. ping 127.0.0.1, MartinS -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to unmount before turn-off
On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, Terrence M. Brannon wrote: Everytime I restart Deb 1.2, it says /dev/hda3 not unmounted cleanly, check forced. I exited. then turned off my laptop. What should I have done first? What you could do is use the command 'shutdown -h now' to stop all processes and cleanly unmount your filesystems. When is says system halted, then turn the power off. Syrus. P.S. I don't use laptops. Someone else may have more to add here. -- Syrus Nemat-Nasser [EMAIL PROTECTED]UCSD Physics Dept. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No ftp? Have I missed something?
At 05:08 PM 1/3/97 +0100, Orn E. Hansen wrote: If you got no ftp, that means you don't have the netstd package... which is in section net. You need netstd, and netbase... if memory serves. If you do have the binaries, and the setup isn't working... try reading the HOWTO for networking NET2-HOWTO. The basics are, that after you have the basic [snip] Yeah, yeah, I know how to configure the network on many an OS, what I am having a problem with is figuring out why I don't have the ftp program when it supposedly comes in the base diskette series. So, if I need this netstd package, then how do I get it? Can I ftp it from another machine and stick it on a floppy? Do I have to rawrite it or can I just ftp the .deb file directly to the floppy? See where I am confused? The documentation says nothing about how to do all that, I should be able to connect via ftp in deselect right after I install the base disks and kernel, but it's just not there :( Did you have to get the netstd package, or were you able to connect to the ftp site during the install? Which version did you install? Sorry for all the questions, but I am trying to figure out what I need to do :) Thanks for the reply! Regards, Kendrick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How do people on this list backup stuff?
On Sat, 4 Jan 1997, Walter Tautz wrote: I am curious to find out how people back stuff? Specifically I am interested in finding out whether it is necessary to use a tape system or is it also possible to use another hardrive. Afterall, it would appear a hardrive is cheaper than a *quality* tape system? I back up selected files and directories to a 2nd HD using the menu driven program, taper, which is available as a package. It seems to work fine (and fast), but I have yet to need to do a partial or full restoration. Syrus. -- Syrus Nemat-Nasser [EMAIL PROTECTED]UCSD Physics Dept. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
dpkg-ftp broken
pgpzQBX0lIqbg.pgp Description: PGP message
Re: ftp site problems
Hi Eric -- You said: I've been trying to download some of the .debfiles from the sunsite ftp, and a few files will download, but most of them come up with an error that says: Cannot open Internet Site at whatever whatever, Operation completed successfully. And it won't d/l them. I'm using MSIE 3.0. Am I doing something wrong? If not, where can I find a mirror site that might work? You might try the mirror in Miami: ftp://debian.med.miami.edu/debian Also, does anybody know where I can find some good Linux newbie docs? Most of the docs I've found explain all the params for a command, but don't tell you what it does! Any help will be appreciated. There are lots of books on Linux now, that can provide a good overview for a newbie. I found 16 of them when I searched: http://www.bookpool.com The Linux Journal (also available in print form) provides a table of contents and some articles online at: http://www.ssc.com/lj/index.html The Linux Gazette is 100% available electronically at: http://www.ssc.com/lg/lg_frontpage.html The Debian project has an FAQ at: http://www.debian.org/FAQ/. To find out about specific packages, you might try the Linux Software Map at: http://www.boutell.com/lsm/ (I suppose I should add that I have no commercial interest in any of the above organizations -- but I wish I did!) HTH, Susan Kleinmann -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No ftp? Have I missed something?
Well, I'm not one of the developers so I can't answer for them... but I agree that its a great distribution. I don't use dselect... I did as you and used dpkg straight from the command line, for more or less the same reason... it was crying about dependancies when I already had the package, like X11 and other packages which I had compiled and installed myself. But the problem with 2-10% error over the net... well, I have precisely the same problem here. The package collector routine, doesn't collect packages on the fly, and only request resend of damaged packages... but seems to stop the transmission and request a restart. -- Ørn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [1.2 installation]: how to tell X to follow swapping of control - more info. and caps lock from loadkeys
From: Daniel S. Barclay [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Put those lines into a file, and then run 'xmodmap [file]' and the Control_Left and Caps_Lock keys change places. With or without the extension. After some digging (through startx and xinitrc scripts), I found that the _right_ answer involves putting those lines in /etc/X11/Xmodmap (or ^^^ Well, that's not the right word... I mean that if it's done with Xmodmap, it might as well be with with the files already looked for by the system. .Xmodmap)--so they get executed automatically by startx and the (default) system xinitrc script. Daniel Daniel -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to unmount before turn-off
Everytime I restart Deb 1.2, it says /dev/hda3 not unmounted cleanly, check forced. I exited. then turned off my laptop. What should I have done first? a 'shutdown -h now' to shutdown immediately and halt the CPU. or... a 'shutdown -r now' to shutdown immediately and reboot the CPU. if you have other users logged in, replace 'now' with some appropriate time sequence, like 'after 10 minutes'. -- Ørn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: emacs: can't find library /usr/lib/libXaw.so.6 for user, but not for root [try1]
From: Daniel S. Barclay [EMAIL PROTECTED] When I run emacs as root, it works fine. However, when I run it as a mere mortal (from a normal user account), I get the message: emacs: can't find library /usr/lib/libXaw.so.6 What might cause this difference? Never mind. It was running an old a.out version. Daniel -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PPP Dial up help
Knight == Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Knight Ok Mr Newbie here again. I have been trying to get Debian Knight to connect to my local ISP threw an external modem. When I Knight issue the PON command it dials the connection fine, the Knight modems connect, but then the line drops. The PLOG stated Knight that I was dropped by the peer. I know I have to make a Knight config change someplace. I know my local IP assigns a IP Knight address to me each time I call, Where in Debian do I Knight configure this, in the options file??? If so what do I Knight need to change to make both systems stay connected and Knight happy. Make sure you have everything right in your /etc/ppp.chatscript file. If you examine /var/log/messages, look for lines like the following: Jan 4 22:31:55 goober chat[2710]: CONNECT 57600^M Jan 4 22:31:57 goober chat[2710]: ^M Jan 4 22:31:57 goober chat[2710]: host -- got it Jan 4 22:31:57 goober chat[2710]: send (ns^M) Jan 4 22:31:57 goober chat[2710]: expect (ogin) Jan 4 22:31:57 goober chat[2710]: : ns^M Jan 4 22:31:57 goober chat[2710]: login -- got it Jan 4 22:31:57 goober chat[2710]: send (ncutler^M) Jan 4 22:31:58 goober chat[2710]: expect (word) Jan 4 22:31:58 goober chat[2710]: :ncutler^M Jan 4 22:31:58 goober chat[2710]: Password -- got it Jan 4 22:31:58 goober chat[2710]: send (??) Jan 4 22:31:58 goober pppd[2709]: Serial connection established. Jan 4 22:31:59 goober pppd[2709]: Using interface ppp0 Jan 4 22:31:59 goober pppd[2709]: Connect: ppp0 -- /dev/ttyS1 Jan 4 22:32:02 goober pppd[2709]: local IP address 195.70.129.138 Jan 4 22:32:02 goober pppd[2709]: remote IP address 195.70.130.20 Obviously, these are from a functioning system. But the equivalent lines on yours should help you track down the cause of the problem. HTH -- Nathan L. Cutler Linux Enthusiast http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~nlc -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: System Time Question
# as root unset TZ # just in case you've accidentally set it tzconfig # set the time zone date 0103143897# set the internal clock clock -u -w# write internal-CMOS vi /etc/init.d/boot# set the GMT variable to -u That hardwires your machine to run at a different time than the CMOS clock... which means you have two different clock versions on your system. The appropriate option, is to control the representation... -- Ørn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: where is base deb?
On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, Lawrence Chim wrote: Dale Scheetz wrote: On Thu, 2 Jan 1997, Lawrence Chim wrote: Curiously, the base.deb is missing in the binary-i386/base dir. Where is it? It's used to be in binary-i386/base dir. Does it moved to a new place. The base package has been replaced by base-files and base-passwd. So, how to remove the base from my system. I can't remove it as it is a required package. It doesn't need to be removed. You don't want to remove it. The little piece of dust it leaves in the dpkg database doesn't hurt anything. Luck, Dwarf -- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 If you don't see what you want, just ask -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
modules and module dependency information
Hi ... I have asked individuals this question and I have posted it, with RTFM as the answer. Polite answers, but ... I have done the RTFM on all module issues: insmod, modprobe, modules,... The Problem: On my home machine, deb 1.1, 486-66, scsi hd and cd rom, 16 mb vlbus, I'm having trouble with getting the modules for scsi cdrom, serial, and lp, to load at boot time. They load fine with insmod, and I can use the devices. Please tell me what to put into the module dependency to make them load, and tell me where the kernel module facility expects to find it (/etc/module ? )OR tell me how to find out what is needed. David - LINUX: the FREE 32 bit OS for [345]86 PC's available NOW! David B Teague | User interface copyrights software patents make [EMAIL PROTECTED] | programing a dangerous business. Ask me or [EMAIL PROTECTED] spy counter-intelligence wild porno sex gold bullion Soviet Bosnia clipper National Security Council explosion Treasury terrorist Delta Force bomb Iran Mossad data encryption munitions Serbian hydrazine ammonium nitrate fuel oil -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrom
Hi Jens: In addition to not having the device files in /dev, I had the problem of not having support for the CD Rom devices in the kernel. My kernel had the decency to suggest insmod. Locate your cdrom module, for SCSI it is sr_mod.o, or for (E)IDE, cdrom.o Use insmod to insert these. If there is a driver there, insmod will complain. At least it worked for me. Lot's of luck. --David On Thu, 2 Jan 1997, Jens B. Jorgensen wrote: Jesse Goldman wrote: installing software, I've noticed that there are no devices for scsi cdroms in the /dev directory. The SCSI cd devices might be either /dev/scdX or /dev/srX. I believe one of the recent distributions didn't add the /dev/srX devices. - LINUX: the FREE 32 bit OS for [345]86 PC's available NOW! David B Teague | User interface copyrights software patents make [EMAIL PROTECTED] | programing a dangerous business. Ask me or [EMAIL PROTECTED] spy counter-intelligence wild porno sex gold bullion Soviet Bosnia clipper Mossad data encryption munitions Serbian hydrazine ammonium nitrate fuel oil -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [1.2 installation]: how to tell X to follow swapping of control - more info. and caps lock from loadkeys
Thanks for the information, thought not for the possible attitude. (How would someone know to look in xmodmap?) There was no attitude... apologies if I sounded that way. -- Ørn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help please: installation of TeTeX on a Debian machine.
On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, Syrus Nemat-Nasser wrote: Given my current frustration in dealing with the demands/complaints from the users regarding the TeX stuff that is presently on this machine (standard Debian 1.2 packages), I want to try out TeTeX. Very good idea! The advantage of teTex is that it is complete with all bells and whistles described in the LaTeX Book and the LaTeX Companion and that it is an implementation which adheres to the TDS (TeX Directory Structure). I never regretted having installed it here at my system and still don't understand why we have to reinvent the wheel for Debian. Well, maybe it's more fun for the maintainer of the Debian TeX system to do it all on his own... ;-) Can someone please give me the source from their dummy .deb package which takes care of the TeX dependencies when using TeTeX? Either that or a simple list of the needed specs would be greatly appreciated. From Markus Dickebohm [EMAIL PROTECTED] i have the following specs to deal with: --cut-here--- You just have to append the following lines to /var/lib/dpkg/status: Package: equivs Status: install ok installed Priority: required Section: misc Installed-Size: 1 Maintainer: Markus Dickebohm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Version: 4.0-1 Provides: amslatex, amslatex, amsfonts, amstex, auctex, babel, bibindex, bibtex, bibtool, dvi2tty, kpathsea, latex, latex2e-doc, ltxmisc, ltxtool, mfbasfnt, mfbin, mflib, mfnfss, oldgerman, pandora, ps2pk, psnfss, xypic, texbin, texidoc, texinfo, texlib, texpsfnt, textfm, xdvi Depends: Description: This is a dummy package that tells debians package-management about software on the system equivalent to debian-packages. . Just name every package that is provided by your own activities in the line Provides: in the file /var/lib/dpkg/status. Then you do the following: touch /var/lib/dpkg/info/equivs.list echo exit 1 /var/lib/dpkg/info/equivs.postrm Of course, you can supply your own adress in the Maintainer-field. --cut-here--- Have in mind that i had to break the lines here in this email! The Provides: field is actually one ininterrupted line. If not, dselect/dpkg will complain. Maybe somebody else has already developed a fine wrapper script for an installation of the teTeX binary distribution without dangerful messing around with system files? I have installed teTeX-0.4 in /usr/local/lib/teTeX/ with symlinks pointing to the binaries of /usr/local/lib/teTeX/bin/ in the regular /usr/local/bin. This teTeX really is selfcontained and is very easy to setup and maintain if you closely follow the provided READMEs! Dropping in new packages (i added TIPA and MusixTeX) is very well manageable because of the TDS layout. Happy LaTeXin', P. *8^) -- Paul Seelig [EMAIL PROTECTED] African Music Archive - Institute for Ethnology and Africa Studies Johannes Gutenberg-University - Forum 6 - 55099 Mainz/Germany Our AMA Homepage in the WWW at http://www.uni-mainz.de/~bender/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Buggy mime-support package? :-(
One thing which really bothers me about Debian-1.2 is that it almost takes ages for lynx to come up at my 486DX-33 with 20MB. Measuring time for starting lynx with a locally served web page (apache) i get the following result: cut-here [pseelig]/home/pseelig date ; xterm -e lynx http://localhost/ date Sun Jan 5 03:10:16 MET 1997 Sun Jan 5 03:12:33 MET 1997 [pseelig]/home/pseelig cut-here During these incredible *2 minutes and 17 seconds* there goes on a lot of testing in the background as can be verified with the 'ps' command: cut-here [pseelig]/home/pseelig ps PID TT STAT TIME COMMAND 229 p0 S 0:02 /bin/bash 403 p2 S 0:34 pine -i 5903 p4 S 0:02 /bin/bash 6509 p3 S 0:02 lynx http://localhost/ 7286 p4 R 0:00 ps 7287 p3 S 0:00 sh -c test `echo charset} | tr [A-Z] [a-z]` = iso-8 7288 p3 R 0:00 sh -c test `echo charset} | tr [A-Z] [a-z]` = iso-8 7299 p3 R 0:00 sh -c test `echo charset} | tr [A-Z] [a-z]` = iso-8 [pseelig]/home/pseelig cut-here The same happens from time to time in 'pine' depending upon the message's content which nonetheless are non critical ASCII texts. I just hate the idea of having my system slowed down like this just for viewing ASCII based texts like HTML or whatever. Anyway, the main trouble seems to be that the Debian-1.2 /etc/mailcap has grown to a rather ridiculous size as compared to the version provided with Debian-1.1.xx: cut-here [root]/root v /etc/mailcap* -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 320596 Dec 24 04:12 /etc/mailcap -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 502 Nov 30 13:41 /etc/mailcap.bak -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 841 Dec 3 17:59 /etc/mailcap.dpkg-dist cut-here Well, trying to deinstall the mime-support for apparent reasons i just get *lots* of dependancy conflicts making it impossible to do without this thing. Here the relevant lines from the dselect dialog: cut-here pine depends on mime-support apache depends on mime-support xpdf depends on mime-support (= 2.01-1) metamail depends on mime-support (= 2.02-1) lynx recommends mime-support xanim depends on mime-support (= 2.08) cut-here When i instead replace this overly large /etc/mailcap with the smaller sized /etc/mailcap.dpkg-dist lynx takes less than 3 seconds to come up at my humble system: cut-here [pseelig]/home/pseelig date ; xterm -e lynx http://localhost/ date Sun Jan 5 03:38:44 MET 1997 Sun Jan 5 03:38:48 MET 1997 [pseelig]/home/pseelig cut-here I don't know if this is a reasonable way of dealing with this problem but at the moment i see no other way. As 'dpkg --status mime-support' reveals: Other packages add themselves as viewers/editors/composers/etc by using the provided install-mime program. Maybe one of these other packages using install-mime has a bug resulting in growing /etc/mailcap to such a large extent? Or maybe install-mime itself has a bug? Anybody had similiar experiences? I'll try it out by deinstalling and then reinstalling the packages that depend on mime-support one of these days and if nobody else has already found out what it is all about. Regards, P. *8^) -- Paul Seelig [EMAIL PROTECTED] African Music Archive - Institute for Ethnology and Africa Studies Johannes Gutenberg-University - Forum 6 - 55099 Mainz/Germany Our AMA Homepage in the WWW at http://www.uni-mainz.de/~bender/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: stablize a debian release
Hello there, On Sat, 4 Jan 1997, Timothy Phan wrote: I'm a new debian user and currently experiencing some problems with the debian 1.2 release. I'm wondering if any tests have been performed before each of the debian release. It seemed to me that all the problems I've encountered could have been easily detected if any test has been done. Debian *is* beta-tested before release. If you check the ftp site now, you'll find a directory named unstable or bo, which is the initial draft of the next release. People usually pull the unstable packages and test them before the release is marked as stable. Of course, this is al voluntary work... There are a few bugs, but there would be a lot more without that. You may check the ftp site, there are already updates to debian 1.2. Instead of complaining about these problems. I'd like to know what can people like me can do to help stablizing the debian distribution. A little time before final release, Bruce asked for people used to debian to test it. You can also download the stuff and contact the maintainers or fill the bug tracking system, etc. Maybe you should join the developer's mailing lists? I haven't done any of this, I'm just reproducing what I've read here before. Cya, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Curious thing about 1.1 - 1.2 upgrade problems
One reason may be that I just don't have as many packages installed, but I was wondering if anybody had any other explainations as to why many small incremental upgrades over the months seems to be more stable (in the sense of installations not breaking) than making larger leaps from point release to point release. A lot of the problems seem to be dependency related. By upgrading, we need to install packages A, B, C, and D, but C needs to be installed before B, and D before C. So but if some of the depends don't catch it, the installation may fail the first (or second times) until D is install, and then C is installed. I had a problem with tcsh and csh. Both were scheduled for upgrade, but the old versions conflicted with the new. I ended up deinstalling tcsh, so that csh would upgrade, then reselecting tcsh to be installed, which seemed to work. In addition, by upgrading slowing, you would have installed D when it came along, around the same time as the package maintainer of C installed on his machine to make the new package for C. You won't run into this problem since by the time C comes out, you had already installed D. I'd really like to hear that my observation is indeed false, since upgradability is, of course, one of our major claims for Debian. This is one of the biggest problems with Debian, but it is inherent with any system with interactive programs, especially with the large number of different people working on packages that affect several other packages. Some of this can be fixed with beta upgrades, but hopefully the xxx-fixed will be able to help keep it staight(er). One other reason, by upgrading slowly, if a package fails, the error and what has changed may be a little more obvious. With a large upgrade, the interaction be less obvious. Also, some of the 'obvious' errors are less obvious when other errors are concurrent. Hence some of the 'Never mind, I answered my own stupid question posts'. Mark W. Blunier -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ping reply without OS
Having read that the interface card is capable to reply to icmp echo requests, my next question should be this: Why does does the card assume that we are using the internet protocols? (On a side note, this does no good to those who ping the machine and conclude that everything is well with the ip layer of the halted machine, when in fact it should be dead.) My real complain is when I read System halted, my assumption has always been that the cpu has executed the x86 HALT instruction . Why not, it consumes a lot less enery in this state. Ioannis Tambouras [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP 768/429EE365, West Palm Beach, Florida -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: stablize a debian release
I'm a new debian user and currently experiencing some problems with the debian 1.2 release. I'm wondering if any tests have been performed before each of the debian release. It seemed to me that all the problems I've encountered could have been easily detected if any test has been done. Some tests have been performed, but obviously not enough for a 'perfect' installation. Some the the problems a new user has, a more experience user fixes, without even thinking of it as a problem. Also, many of the 'testers' are users that upgrade their systems (during beta testing), and since they have made their own personal adjustments, they do no use the new configuation files that may be less than perfect. Instead of complaining about these problems. I'd like to know what can people like me can do to help stablizing the debian distribution. Don't complain, but do post bugs. Then 1.2.1 (or whatever) will be closer to perfect. Mark -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ethernet won't talk
I've been having this weird problem since this morning. I can ping either machine from the other, but only if I am running TCPDUMP on machine named dst. I moved the modem to machine spacewalker which is currently running diald, which I have finally gotten my setup to work both the ethernet and ppp at the same time. I can not telnet or anything else, if I have diald running. (But I can ping, but only if TCPDUMP is running on dst) I believe the problems to be not related. I think the tcpdump part is something _wrong_ with _dst_, and the ping only problem something wrong with the diald _config_. I do hope I can get these machines running together without a hitch, since I have a LUG meeting on Tuesday, which I am supposed to bring both my machines as demo's, and as installation servers, over the _ethernet_. -- Daniel Stringfield mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://users.southeast.net/~servo Send email for more information on the Jacksonville Linux Users Group! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OK to install across 2 HDs?
I am writing my questions in between the text, if anyone can answer them I would appreciate it. On Sat, 4 Jan 1997, Pete Templin wrote: On Sat, 4 Jan 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to install Debian Linux into various partitions on 2 harddisks. hdb holds 400 MB, and hdc around 1.1 GB. Why are you not using hda and hdb? what determines which one you use? I have two HD's. Right now only one is hooked up -- it is my hda, a 1.6G Western Digital, running Redhat. I wish to hook up in addition a 340 Meg Connor. I would like that to be the slave so that I can keep my WD stuff where it is. I want to install Debian on the 340 Meg drive until I convince myself if I want Debian on the 1.6G drive. I would like to boot up on either one. How do I arrange that? The second one would be hdb, would it not? . Each drive will be partitioned by using linux fdisk, and each drive has a small DOS partition on hda1 and hdb1. I do not wish to use both disks for one distribution just yet (I understand the merit of doing that, however). I want to get Debian running on my test 340 meg drive, without disturbing my running system. Can I get lilo to boot from either drive? How? You bet. If possible, stick to hda and hdc. I saw a 10 to 1 performance improvement in Win95 ScanDisk when I moved my second 1.2G Western Digital to secondary master from primary slave (primary master is an identical 1.2 WD). I don't understand this statement. What exactly is the relation between hda, hdb, and hdc? Do you have one controller that runs two HD's? What is your hardware configuration? I have a controller card, el-cheapo $19.00, that controls 2 IDE HD's, 2 Floppies, 2 Serial Ports and 1 Parallel Printer port. But yes, NOTHING wrong with splitting across two drives. Try to split them intelligently for best performance. Here's some of my thoughts on partitioning: when you are reading data, you want it now. /home and /usr should not be on the same disk (launching emacs on a file will be reading both the executable and the file). /var probably should be on a different disk than /usr (same as /home?) because daemons want to write to their log file as they are starting up, etc. These are good ideas. I like this, and when I get past my experimental phase I will do this also. Thank you. Here's a df on my server: Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Available Capacity Mounted on /dev/hda1 19485 10253 8226 55% / /dev/hda2 223494 14678165172 69% /usr /dev/hdc3 198123 11279 176613 6% /var /dev/hdc4 288354 542 272919 0% /tmp /dev/hda3 5600605788 525343 1% /nfs /dev/hdb12990073 2038838 796610 72% /server /dev/hdc2 is a 120M swap. /nfs holds /home and /var/spool/mail, you'll see why in a minute. Here's a df on my workstation: Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Available Capacity Mounted on /dev/hda3 39039785529168 21% / /dev/hda4 577609 307494 240279 56% /usr /dev/hdc3 99539764686753 8% /var /dev/hdc4 201043 37 190624 0% /tmp templinux:/nfs5600605789 525342 1% /nfs hda1 is 200M FAT (Win95 OS). hda2 is 400M NTFS (WinNTW 4.0). hdc1 is 800M FAT (Common 95/NT apps). hdc2 is 120M swap. On both machines, /home is a symlink to /nfs/home, and /var/spool/mail is a symlink to /nfs/spool/mail, allowing easy NFS mounting of user files with only one NFS mount (and one partition!). Finally, as far as I know, / doesn't have to be a primary partition. But are there any advantages to designating it as primary? I try to make every partition a primary, if possible (keep in mind that Linux can have four primaries, unlike DOS). I've seen a few (albeit older and non-Debian) Linux fdisk's choke on the whole extended/logical deal. Sorry for my elementary questions. Any advice will be appreciated. Thank you for your post, Pete. Best Regards, Joe Hartmann Tel: (603) 863 6073 K2AJV -issued email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1951 home-page: http://www.sugar-river.net/~joeh - First Student at the: Linux Academy in the Sunshine Town of Newport, NH Thanks to RMS, Linus, and other contributors of free software! - I grant this to the public domain - --Pete ___ Peter J. Templin, Jr. Client Services Analyst Computer Communication Services tel: (717) 524-1590 Bucknell University [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word
network connection... update
Apparently, the problem with ICMP echo requests (aka ping) not bouncing back from machine dst unless tcpdump is running, is NOT a problem with dst but a problem on spacewalker due to diald. So.. it all points to diald. hmm... -- Daniel Stringfield mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://users.southeast.net/~servo Send email for more information on the Jacksonville Linux Users Group! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: System Time Question
Orn E. Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That hardwires your machine to run at a different time than the CMOS clock... which means you have two different clock versions on your system. The appropriate option, is to control the representation... I'm not sure what you're saying here, but yes, the CMOS is UTC as I've shown how to do it. That's the recommended and worry-free method. Guy -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problem with suid perl scripts in Debian 1.2
On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, Jens B. Jorgensen wrote: Richard Kettlewell wrote: Christopher E. Stefan writes: After upgrading from 1.1 to 1.2 none of my suid-perl scripts worked anymore. I ended up having to put C wrappers around all of them. I reported this as a bug a while back, don't recall the number. A bit disappointing to see so little reaction. Didn't someone already post some sort of dpkg bug in which suidperl is superceded by the regular perl or something? (Check the bug list.) Some further information: Kernel is 2.0.27 custom configured and hand compiled from the main linux kernel distribution (in otherwords this is not from the 2.0.27 Debian kernel source package) perl seems to be complaining about suid scripts not being disabled in the kernel. I had no problems with suid perl scripts under Debian 1.1 with the same kernel. Christopher E. Stefan[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ironhorse.com/~flatline finger for PGP key System Administrator Phone: (206) 783-6636 Ironhorse Software, Inc. FAX: (206) 783-4591 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cron doesn't start
[This message has also been posted.] Hello everyone, I have recently installed Debian on a machine and for some reason cron doesn't start up automatically. As a temporary fix, I have put ``/etc/init.d/cron start'' in my /etc/init.d/boot file, but I know that this is not how it should be. This is Debian 1.2 Thanks for any help. John Goerzen -- John Goerzen | Running Debian GNU/Linux (www.debian.org) Custom Programming| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Have a merry Christmas and a happy new year! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ping reply without OS
Having read that the interface card is capable to reply to icmp echo requests, my next question should be this: Why does does the card assume that we are using the internet protocols? (On a side note, this does no good to those who ping the machine and conclude that everything is well with the ip layer of the halted machine, when in fact it should be dead.) I believe this is incorrect. Ping replies do depend on the kernel being alive, but a shutdown (as opposed to reboot) will take the system to single user mode, where the kernel is still running. However, you cannot use any other services because the appropriate daemons are not running to handle them. My real complain is when I read System halted, my assumption has always been that the cpu has executed the x86 HALT instruction . Why not, it consumes a lot less enery in this state. Huh? Linux will issue HLT instructions when not doing anything else. However, HLT does not really halt the machine, like when you're finished using it, but only until the next interrupt. Yes, HLT does lower power consumption. On a Cyrix 6x86 CPU, with suspend on HLT enabled, power consumption changes from 24W to 0.3W. This is enough to hear a difference in CPU fan speed. (I am running this hardware here.) hamish -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help please: installation of TeTeX on a Debian machine.
On Sun, 5 Jan 1997, Jonas Bofjall wrote: I tried searching around for teTeX whis morning, and I found a lot of FTP-sites carrying the files, I also found the maintainer's address and the mailing-list. BUT do you know if there is a teTeX web-page somewhere, where some general information, maybe some installation help and useful links exists? Anyone? AFAIK there is still no proper web site for teTeX but you may get some reading either at http://www.informatik.uni-hannover.de/docs/teTeX/; or by downloading the README, INSTALL, etc files at any CTAN FTP site. As you are in Sweden you might as well check out the german CTAN at the URL ftp://ftp.dante.de/tex-archive/systems/unix/teTeX/;. Look around there and download the documentation. It contains virtually everything you may want to know about teTeX for a successful installation as long as you are able to follow instructions in written form. ;-) Regards, P. *8^) -- Paul Seelig [EMAIL PROTECTED] African Music Archive - Institute for Ethnology and Africa Studies Johannes Gutenberg-University - Forum 6 - 55099 Mainz/Germany Our AMA Homepage in the WWW at http://www.uni-mainz.de/~bender/ -- This message was delayed because the list mail delivery agent was down.
RE: No ftp? Have I missed something?
In reply to the honourable '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' who said: Debian is already lambasted for needing more disks than anyone else. i follow the discussions constantly between redhat, slackware and debian distributions and have not heard one person comment on debian being too large. downloading six megabytes doesnt take that long B) What is on the base disks is dpkg-ftp (it uses perl's Net::FTP, not ftp is essential if dpkg-ftp or dselect didnt work properly (which it didnt) or is unfamiliar with it, at least it gives the person installing a familiar tool. the last disk in the debian 1.2 set is approximately 350k so there is room on there for ftp surely, maybe we can have a v1.21 that remedies this. perhaps i imagined it but a previous installation of debian 0.93 ? had ftp in it and its a shame it was taken out imho. cheers ++ || | _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ | | _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ | |_/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/| | _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ | | _/_/ _/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/ | || || | [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Software Engineering in C++ and SQL | ++ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Interviews...
On Sat, 4 Jan 1997, Jean Pierre LeJacq wrote: Yes indeed! Fresco is the replacement for interviews. The development is sponsored by the X consortium. It breaks new ground by providing distributed graphics using the CORBA model. That wounds interesting. Do you think you can tell us more? Why is the X consortium sponsoring Fresco? What is CORBA? my debian system. Once I find some time, I plan on producing a debian package. Good idea! // Jonas [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2:201/262.37] -- This message was delayed because the list mail delivery agent was down.
PPP connect using pon / poff / plog scripts
Help, I can connect to my ISP using pon as root: when I attempted to use this as user amacater, I got cannot read /etc/ppp.chatscript errors: chmod 755 cured this for /etc/ppp.chatscript and /etc/ppp.options_out but I now get: cannot execute /usr/sbin/pppd - permission denied. I know that pppd is suid, owned by root with group of dip - what do I need to do next. I am *very* unclear on suid so would appreciate any help here - apologies for a possible FAQ. System is Debian 1.2 from i-connect CD mastered 13/12/96 - clean install (previously using 1.1 which I wiped). Andy -- Andrew Martin Adrian Cater -- This message was delayed because the list mail delivery agent was down.
sound cdrom
I've read all this stuff about PnP cards not being supported in the kernel. I recompiled my kernel before I realized that I had a SB16 PnP (atleast according to the model numbers at Creative Labs it's PnP). However, it worked, and I get sound. Jan 5 07:05:35 timberwolf kernel: Sound initialization started Jan 5 07:05:35 timberwolf kernel: Sound Blaster 16 (4.13) at 0x220 irq 5 dma 1,5 Jan 5 07:05:35 timberwolf kernel: Sound Blaster 16 at 0x330 irq 5 dma 0 Jan 5 07:05:35 timberwolf kernel: Yamaha OPL3 FM at 0x388 Jan 5 07:05:35 timberwolf kernel: Sound initialization complete Odd, I suppose this should mean I have a PnP compatible (?) card, or somebody goofed somewhere. Anyway, it recognizes the sound card, but not the cdrom when I boot. The cdrom is located at 1E8,11 so I suppose I should be using the kernel command line of ide2=0x1e8,0x3ee,11 ( hd?) for this. I boot linux from a disk, though, and I can't seem to make it let me give such a line on boot. How can I get the kernel to recognize the cdrom? Or, does no support for PnP apply to the cdrom as well as the sound card? Thanks, Amy -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How do people on this list backup stuff?
I am curious to find out how people back stuff? Specifically I am interested in finding out whether it is necessary to use a tape system or is it also possible to use another hardrive. Afterall, it would appear a hardrive is cheaper than a *quality* tape system? Before I tell you what I do to make a perfect and bootable copy of your current Linux setup, let me tell you how I have my hard drives configured. For my everyday setup, I go into the BIOS setup program and turn off all IDE support and boot from a SCSI hard drive using /dev/sda6. I keep my backup on the IDE hard drive /dev/hda. Thus, to boot my backup, all I have to do is go into the BIOS setup program and enable IDE support. When IDE is enabled, the computer will boot from /dev/hda. Thus, if my Linux partition ever crashes, I don't have to boot a stripped down version of Linux from floppy. Instead, I get the full blown version in the state it was in at the time of the last backup. The trick is to get your current Linux setup (hereinafter known as /dev/sda6) over to your backup partition (hereinafter know as /dev/hda1) and then to make it bootable. Be extra careful with the make it bootable partion of what follows because it entails installing LILO which, if done improperly, can have very serious ramifications. BACKUP TO HARD DRIVE mini-HOWTO (Paul Serice, copyright 1997, use at your own risk, and analogize for your setup!) 1) Format your backup partition: mke2fs /dev/hda1 (Of course, if your backup partition is other than hda1, then use it instead. Needless to say, this step is irreversible so get it right.) 2) Mount the newly formatted partition: mount -t ext2 /dev/hda1 /mnt 3) I'm not sure if this next step is necessary, but delete the lost+found directory on the newly formatted partition. a) cd /mnt b) rm -r lost+found 4) Make an exact copy of your Linux setup and put it on your backup partition: a) cd / b) find / -xdev -print | cpio -pdam /mnt NOTE: I found this method in _Unix Unleashed_. I think it is superior to using tar and gzip. 5) Make your backup bootable: a) Edit /mnt/etc/fstab (*not* /etc/fstab). This file tells Linux which partition you want to use as your root partition. You need to let Linux know you'll be booting to /dev/hda1 as your root partition instead of to /dev/sda6. To accomplish this, you just delete the /dev/sda6 and replace it with /dev/hda1 leaving the rest of that line like you found it. b) Edit /mnt/etc/lilo.conf (*not* /etc/lilo.conf). Near the top of this file find and edit (or create) the lines that say boot=/dev/sda6 and root=/dev/sda6. The first line tells lilo where to install itself (in this case lilo installs itself into the extended partion /dev/sda6. The second line tells lilo that the root partition will be /dev/sda6. On my system, I boot the backup straight from the Master Boot Record. Thus, I edit the boot= parameter to read boot=/dev/hda. Because the root is /dev/hda1, the root= parameter becomes root=/dev/hda1. Analogize as necessary. c) Now, tell lilo to install itself. At this point, you should understand something about lilo. If you are installing lilo for /dev/hda1, it needs to have /dev/hda1 mounted as the root partition. Thus, if you just type lilo, lilo will read /etc/lilo.conf and see your original Linux setup instead of your Linux backup. If you run lilo with the -r parameter, lilo will temporarily switch the root partition to the one you specify. To do this, type lilo -r /mnt. NOTE: Because using lilo can be destructive I suggest you first run lilo using lilo -r /mnt -v -v -v -t. This will run lilo and show you what it will do without making any changes to your system. 6) To restore from your backup, just boot to /dev/hda1 and use it as your original. IMPORTANT: It's a good idea to have a floppy which will let you boot directly to your root Linux partition when your MBR gets futzed. (I use this diskette to boot my original Linux partition so that I may back it up because, once the IDE hard drive is on-line, the BIOS will try to boot my backup skipping the normal bootup procedure of reading the MBR on the SCSI.) To create this diskette, if your kernel is /vmlinuz then 1) fdformat /dev/fd0H1440 to low-level format a floppy. (See man fdformat and man mknod to create /dev/fd0H1440 if you don't have this device already.) Good Luck Paul Serice -- This message was delayed because the list mail delivery agent was down.
Re: gcc
I believe that you must put a link in with `.so' , i.e. without
the version numbers, and, of course, run ldconfig -v to be
sure first.
-Walter
On Sat, 4 Jan 1997, Timothy Phan wrote:
Hi,
I'm running into another problem again with gcc while try to
build vile.
The gcc can not load -ltermcap nor -lncurses. Here are the
two small programs that caused the problem:
prog1.c
char initscr(); int main() { initscr(); return 0; }
$ gcc prog1.c -lncurses
ld: cannot open -lncurses: no such file or directory
prog2.c
char tgoto(); int main() { tgoto(); return 0; }
$ gcc prog1.c -ltermcap
ld: cannot open -ltermcap: no such file or directory
both libs are in /lib:
libncurses.so.3.0
libtermcap.so.2 - libtermcap.so.2.0.8
libtermcap.so.2.0.8
BTW, I got these two small programs from the configure script of the
vile6.4 package.
Any idea? Many thanks!
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Re: Cron doesn't start
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Sat, 4 Jan 1997, John Goerzen wrote: I have recently installed Debian on a machine and for some reason cron doesn't start up automatically. As a temporary fix, I have put ``/etc/init.d/cron start'' in my /etc/init.d/boot file, but I know that this is not how it should be. Instead, do update-rc.d cron defaults. This is in the Debian-1.2 installation problems list posted here by Dale Scheetz. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 iQCVAwUBMs/HhSqK7IlOjMLFAQFXWgP/ZNeOacbMvZzExBRv8tYOQHIhpyEFsBVz JQhCgBHYG0hGsNHAQg5BmtDRrUmCpCq14z/8+3mVOEHpfBPHH4MNlvMKo/POOy5o keMg18DWLECiBQw/ljtPeuSrW5jL2hNmNH5YMGESBupNcU4+McdiXAvDBefpQ5eE GufzwsgqD1M= =rw7F -END PGP SIGNATURE- Santiago Vila [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message was delayed because the list mail delivery agent was down.
Re: get-news.inn script in suck-3.3.2-1 package...
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Paul Seelig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hate to follow up to myself but here we go anyway: Robert Yetman, the maintainer of the original suck distribution, gave me the hint to check '/etc/news/newsfeeds' for the flags 'Wf'. It turned out that the flag 'f' which adds the article files to be uploaded with their full pathname to '/var/spool/news/.outgoing/the.remote.site'. Replacing it with 'n' resulted in adding the pathname relative to the news spool directory and the script 'get-news.inn' now works as devised. :-) Looks like the INN package maintainer and the suck package maintainer should have a talk with each other, isn't it? But what does this have to do with the INN package? You have added a wrong entry to /etc/news/newsfeeds that doesn't even exist in the default configuration. What can INN do about that? Perhaps better documentation in the suck package would help. Mike. -- | Miquel van Smoorenburg| Sticky tape is like the Force - it has a | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | dark side, it has a light side, and it | | 8--8 | holds the universe together - Carl Zwanig | -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: can't load library libXt.so.6
Check to see that the path for these libraries are included in /etc/ld.so.conf Then run ldconfig -v and it should load them. Dick A. On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, Kevin Traas wrote: I'm trying to install texbin (Debian 1.2 btw) and have run into the following error message: mf: can't load library libXt.so.6 I've done some poking around and from Contents found that this file is included in xlib6. I've both tried reinstalling that package and verifying that the file is on my system (under /usr/X11R6/lib and /usr/X11R6/lib/i486-linuxaout) but the error stays I read somewhere that errors relating to this file might be fixed by installing xcompat. I've done this and I'm still having the error. I've since installed X and now I'm running into similar error messages when trying to run various applications (i.e. xosview: can't load library libX11.so.6) Do you have any ideas on what might be my problem? TIA for your help, Kevin Traas Systems Analyst Edmondson Roper Chartered Accountants http://users.uniserve.com/~erca Chilliwack, B.C. Pager: (604) 918-2054 Office: (604) 792-1915 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This message was delayed because the list mail delivery agent was down.
Re: Where did ctlinnd go?
In article 4O0zt3.0.ru7.rpipo@master.debian.org, CoB SysAdmin (Joe Emenaker) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For reasons I won't go into, I had to purge INN and reinstall. I re-installed from unstable to find that the program that controls the config, ctlinnd, is not on the system. Was it taken out of the package? No. Why? Which version of INN? In 1.4unoff4, ctlinnd was in /usr/lib/news/bin/ctlinnd and /usr/sbin/ctlinnd was a symlink to it. In 1.5, ctlinnd lives in /usr/sbin/ctlinnd. Mike. -- | Miquel van Smoorenburg| Sticky tape is like the Force - it has a | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | dark side, it has a light side, and it | | 8--8 | holds the universe together - Carl Zwanig | -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Good buy or not?
I wonder if anyone on the list may have experience with Packard Bell machines, running Debian ? The reason for the question is, a local store is selling excess stock that didn't sell during the holiday season at a price that is very, very, tempting. Actually, the price is only a little more than the cost of a decent motherboard, and it is for a complete system, including monitor, 4X CD-ROM, etc. The processor is a 75Mhz Pentium. I don't know the whole story of the Pentium line, but would it be reasonable to assume that the cpu could be readily upgraded? Thats a detail that might depend entirely on the capability of the board in the machine, and I know little about PB, other than the adverse stories of the recent past. Are they still using refurbished stuff and selling it as new? Do their machines use standard memory components, so they could be easily upgraded with parts from other vendors, etc? They don't mention the vendor, but the machine includes an video accelerator type of card, and the machine is billed as a multimedia home PC. The monitor is one of those goofy looking things with speakers glued to its sides. It is a model 4240. Anyone have any comments on its insides, and whether it might be as good a buy as it appears to be? My current machine is an old 486 box, and I need space for an additional HD, etc. Running an AMD 486/133, so this machine would not really be much of an upgrade in itself in terms of performance, but if possible, I would quickly upgrade its cpu and memory. Would this be a decent platform to build on or not? Thanks Paul -- This message was delayed because the list mail delivery agent was down.
Re: Help please: installation of TeTeX on a Debian machine.
On Sun, 5 Jan 1997, Paul Seelig wrote: Very good idea! The advantage of teTex is that it is complete with all bells and whistles described in the LaTeX Book and the LaTeX Companion and that it is an implementation which adheres to the TDS (TeX Directory Then I guess I should be installing teTeX as well. I need to do some TeX'ing but the standard Debian TeX package always seems to come up with a new problem once I fixed one. The standard TeX package in Debian, is it a completely new TeX distribution or is it based on some other? Do you know what NTeX is? I was told it was a good TeX distribution, but maybe I should try teTeX instead. // Jonas [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2:201/262.37] -- This message was delayed because the list mail delivery agent was down.
Stealth exclusions...
I recently updated some packages from the bo set. One of these was, I believe, netstd or something. Anyway, I then found that POP wasn't running any more. I looked in /etc/inetd.conf and found it commented out. I also looked in /usr/sbin and discovered that in.popd had been deleted. This follows just a day after I updated inn and ended up losing my ctlinnd. Can't we have some policy whereby, if a package loses some of its components (usually to put them in a more appropriate package), then we'd get some obnoxious warning like *** NOTICE: the foo program is no longer held in the bar package. if you wish to still use this program, you need to get it with its new home: fookit. Or, at the very least, have the package it used to live in *suggest* the package it moved to. - Joe -- This message was delayed because the list mail delivery agent was down.
Re: ping reply without OS
On Sun, 5 Jan 1997, Hamish Moffatt wrote: Huh? Linux will issue HLT instructions when not doing anything else. However, HLT does not really halt the machine, like when you're finished using it, but only until the next interrupt. Yes, HLT does lower power consumption. On a Cyrix 6x86 CPU, with suspend on HLT enabled, power consumption changes from 24W to 0.3W. This is enough to hear a difference in CPU fan speed. (I am running this hardware here.) I heard something on comp.os.linux that enabling the CPU suspend on HLT crashed someone's system. Do you know anything more about this? Have you experienced any problems? (I am running C-6x86 as well.) // Jonas [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2:201/262.37] -- This message was delayed because the list mail delivery agent was down.
Re: Help please: installation of TeTeX on a Debian machine.
On Sun, 5 Jan 1997, Jonas Bofjall wrote: Then I guess I should be installing teTeX as well. I need to do some TeX'ing but the standard Debian TeX package always seems to come up with a new problem once I fixed one. Then you'll be really happy with teTeX! Today i had a notice by Thomas Esser from the teTeX mailing list in my email where he wrote that he was about to release the next teTeX update really soon. He wrote sunday or monday but i'm not sure if he meant this weekend or the next. Anyway he promised that this release will be a 100% uptodate as well. :-) Maybe you should really wait for the brandnew teTeX before you bother about downloading and installation, although upgrading is very well solutioned too. You can find out the nearest CTAN with finger [EMAIL PROTECTED]. The standard TeX package in Debian, is it a completely new TeX distribution or is it based on some other? Looks rather like a basic LaTeX/TeX system tailored especially for Debian than a distribution of some sort. But OTOH i never tried it out giving it not even a chance to supply it's services on my machine so i can't really judge about it's quality. I installed teTeX once on a HP-UX machine at work and was surprised how easy and straightforward it went and how complete the provided TeX system actually is. I immediately fell in love with it! ;-) It comes along with very well and extensive documentation. The great thing to my mind is that i never needed to install anything to get a variety of LaTeX files TeXed apart from more obscure stuff like MusiXTeX, the TIPA phonetic fonts and Jorg Knappens fcfonts (african fonts). It is a stated goal of Thomas Esser to provide everything described in the LaTeX Book and the LaTeX Companion. Our university here in Mainz has BTW adopted teTeX as the regular LaTeX installation on the campus' Unix cluster and i consider it wonderful to have the same working environment anywhere, be it at home, at work or at the university. :-) Do you know what NTeX is? I was told it was a good TeX distribution, but maybe I should try teTeX instead. NTeX is a very large TeX distribution which was usually provided with Slackware and which is not as well designed and maintained as teTeX. If i were you i wouldn't bother with NTeX especially since it has earned itself the fame of being hard to administrate, a thing teTeX definitely has eased up a lot. Regards, P. *8^) -- Paul Seelig [EMAIL PROTECTED] African Music Archive - Institute for Ethnology and Africa Studies Johannes Gutenberg-University - Forum 6 - 55099 Mainz/Germany Our AMA Homepage in the WWW at http://www.uni-mainz.de/~bender/ -- This message was delayed because the list mail delivery agent was down.
Re: Help please: installation of TeTeX on a Debian machine.
On Sun, 5 Jan 1997, Paul Seelig wrote: promised that this release will be a 100% uptodate as well. :-) Maybe you should really wait for the brandnew teTeX before you bother about If it is just a week or two I'll rather wait. I like what I hear :) Someone actually told me that I should install teTeX maybe a month ago when I was running 0.93R6 but then 1.2 came and I tried its TeX instead. It is better, but not good. Looks rather like a basic LaTeX/TeX system tailored especially for Debian than a distribution of some sort. But OTOH i never tried it out giving it Well... Maybe there should be put together a Debian teTeX package. The maintainer of the current Debian TeX package maybe should spend his time helping teTeX instead of his own stuff. But I suppose he's got a reason not to do so... What is better about Debian TeX, anyone? NTeX is a very large TeX distribution which was usually provided with Slackware and which is not as well designed and maintained as teTeX. If i Then I will go for teTeX instead. I tried searching around for teTeX whis morning, and I found a lot of FTP-sites carrying the files, I also found the maintainer's address and the mailing-list. BUT do you know if there is a teTeX web-page somewhere, where some general information, maybe some installation help and useful links exists? Anyone? thanks... // Jonas [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2:201/262.37] -- This message was delayed because the list mail delivery agent was down.
Password
When I installed Debian 1.1 (linux 2.0) and later upgraded to 2.0.6 I did not give a password. I usually log in as root followed by a CR at password prompt. For some time now I have not logged into Linux. Been busy with several other stuff. Close to 2 months or more. Today I booted linux and it won't let me in. I log in as root and give it CR at password prompt. Keeps rejecting me. How do I get around this? I hate to think that I have to re install from scratch after all the work I did getting it to where I like it. Chuma -- This message was delayed because the list mail delivery agent was down.
Re: gcc
Hi,
I'm running into another problem again with gcc while try to
build vile.
The gcc can not load -ltermcap nor -lncurses. Here are the
two small programs that caused the problem:
prog1.c
char initscr(); int main() { initscr(); return 0; }
$ gcc prog1.c -lncurses
ld: cannot open -lncurses: no such file or directory
Try
gcc -o prog1 prog1.c -lreadline
This at least links.
prog2.c
char tgoto(); int main() { tgoto(); return 0; }
$ gcc prog1.c -ltermcap
ld: cannot open -ltermcap: no such file or directory
again,
gcc -o prog2 prog2.c -lreadline
works.
both libs are in /lib:
libncurses.so.3.0
libtermcap.so.2 - libtermcap.so.2.0.8
libtermcap.so.2.0.8
I've recently learnt that, for -termcap to be found, one needs
.so links:
libtermcap.so - libtermcap.so.2.0.8
and that one is missing.
I'm not sure if this is a bug in the termcap package: the debian
system tries to supply all packagres linked with readline, and
as such the missing .so files may be intentional (I just don't know).
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1.2 Install: no mcd device at 0x300 ?
I have just installed the Debian 1.2 Base System. During booting from the rescue diskette and also from the configured kernel boot diskette I get some misterious messages like: mcd=0x300,11: init failed mcdx ... no mcd device at 0x300 irq11 and some more messages lokking like an unsuccessful search for various CDROM hardware ATAPI-IDE cdrom (hdd = slave on 2nd IDE drive) is recognized and can be mounted and used. I have a SoundBlaster card but not yet any driver for it installed. Both serial ports (16550), SLIP and PPP are confirmed. My system is a Gigabyte GA-586ATE/ATM board with Pentium and ISA+PCI bus. Root is on hdc6 and /usr is on hdd3. Currently I still boot from fd0. Thanks for any help, Harald -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cron doesn't start
Instead, do update-rc.d cron defaults. This is in the Debian-1.2 installation problems list posted here by Dale Scheetz. OK. That worked! Thanks for the tip. -- John Goerzen | Running Debian GNU/Linux (www.debian.org) Custom Programming| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Have a merry Christmas and a happy new year! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PPP connect using pon / poff / plog scripts
Andrew == Andrew Martin Adrian Cater [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Andrew Help, I can connect to my ISP using pon as root: when I Andrew attempted to use this as user amacater, I got cannot read Andrew /etc/ppp.chatscript errors: chmod 755 cured this for Andrew /etc/ppp.chatscript and /etc/ppp.options_out but I now Andrew get: cannot execute /usr/sbin/pppd - permission denied. Andrew I know that pppd is suid, owned by root with group of dip Andrew - what do I need to do next. I am *very* unclear on suid Andrew so would appreciate any help here - apologies for a Andrew possible FAQ. I remember having the exact same behavior on my system. Here is an 'ls -l' listing for pppd: -rwsr-x--x 1 root dip 75944 Dec 8 01:54 /usr/sbin/pppd* Note that the group 'dip' has read and execute permissions, and other only have execute permission. I'm not exactly sure why (I'm not too clear on SUID root myself), but I was able to solve the problem by adding myself to the the group 'dip' in /etc/group. Perhaps doing a 'chmod o+r /usr/sbin/pppd' as root would do the trick as well? (Haven't tried this, though.) -- Nathan L. Cutler Linux Enthusiast http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~nlc -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OK to install across 2 HDs?
Joseph == Joseph L Hartmann, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Joseph I have two HD's. Right now only one is hooked up -- it is Joseph my hda, a 1.6G Western Digital, running Redhat. I wish to Joseph hook up in addition a 340 Meg Connor. I would like that Joseph to be the slave so that I can keep my WD stuff where it Joseph is. I want to install Debian on the 340 Meg drive until I Joseph convince myself if I want Debian on the 1.6G drive. I was in a very similar situation once. I had a machine with two disks and a CD-ROM, a functional Red Hat on one disk, and a trial Debian on the other. Joseph would like to boot up on either one. How do I arrange Joseph that? The second one would be hdb, would it not? That depends on how your hardware is configured. Most modern motherboards have two IDE ports -- called primary and secondary. Each port can handle two drives, a master and a slave. On all the boards I've worked with (a total of three :-), Linux sees the primary master drive as /dev/hda, the primary slave drive as /dev/hdb, the secondary master as /dev/hdc and the secondary slave as /dev/hdd. Thus, if you have hda, and hdb, both drives are connected using one cable to the primary IDE port on the motherboard (or controller card). If you want to boost performance, you can try moving the slave drive to the secondary port. Make sure you know how to set the jumpers on the drives to let them know that they'll be alone on their respective ports, though! Joseph disturbing my running system. Can I get lilo to boot Joseph from either drive? How? Put a kernel image somewhere on both of them and the put clauses in your /etc/lilo.conf file for the two different drives. Something like this: image = /vmlinuz-2.0.27 root = /dev/hda1 label = First_Drive read-only image = /vmlinuz-2.0.27 root = /dev/hdb1 label = Other_Drive read-only Joseph I have a controller card, el-cheapo $19.00, that controls Joseph 2 IDE HD's, 2 Floppies, 2 Serial Ports and 1 Parallel Joseph Printer port. Aha! Here's perhaps the source of your confusion: your controller card only has one IDE port. Thus, your dilemma is solved -- you don't have the option of putting the second disk on the secondary port. For you, the master disk will be /dev/hda and the slave /dev/hdb. Joseph Sorry for my elementary questions. Any advice will be Joseph appreciated. No need to apologize. Just try to help out others with similar problems once you have learned the ropes. -- Nathan L. Cutler Linux Enthusiast http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~nlc -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Suggestion
I have been reading this list for a few weeks now, and I wonder if someone could regularly post and maintain the . I'll call it debian FAQ, for lack of a better term. It would be very worthwhile to keep a list of unique debian questions and answers. Best Regards, Joe Hartmann Tel: (603) 863 6073 K2AJV -issued email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1951 home-page: http://www.sugar-river.net/~joeh - First Student at the: Linux Academy in the Sunshine Town of Newport, NH Thanks to RMS, Linus, and other contributors of free software! - I grant this to the public domain - -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No ftp? Have I missed something?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- I agree strongly that the last disk in Debian 1.21 (if it ever comes out) should include telnet and ftp, at the very least. I know that EVER time I installed 1.1, I used the ftp that was on the base disks to go and get telnet off another machine *grin* Now that we have an empty disk, shoving a reduced netstd pkg wouldn't bg too bad, would it? - -- Brought to you by the letters V and F and the number 3. Step away from the car. This car is protected by Viper. -- TMBG Ben Gertzfield http://www.imsa.edu/~wilwonka/ Finger me for my public PGP key. See me on FurryMUCK, as Che, and EFNet and YiffNet IRC as Che_Fox. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.4, an Emacs/PGP interface iQBVAwUBMs/58PTlx5Rynzi5AQEESAIAgDNkRXGOLF3FfXiOE53C/eVrPYug0Ur7 js2BKssiJwp73IHnNB/796gbpk0qxFZ+cRfQTveS71fSQ58yo3hcZw== =sP+R -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Password
Chuma == Chuma Agbodike [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Chuma Today I booted linux and it won't let me in. I log in as Chuma root and give it CR at password prompt. Keeps rejecting Chuma me. Chuma How do I get around this? I hate to think that I have to re Chuma install from scratch after all the work I did getting it to Chuma where I like it. Try booting from your trusty rescue diskette (what? you don't have one?) (which will automatically log you in as root). Mount the root partition under /mnt or something appropriate to your rescue diskette and use 'vi' to edit /etc/passwd. An entry for 'root' with no password looks something like this: root::0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash (the space between the first and second colons should be empty). HTH -- Nathan L. Cutler Linux Enthusiast http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~nlc -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Can't get kernel to boot using resq1440.bin (Debian 1.2)
I'm trying to install Debian and, after booting from the rescue disk, the kernel hangs while initializing the md driver support. (Well, that's what the last message was talking about anyway.) Any ideas? My setup: SuperMicro P6DNF w/2 PPros 128MB ram Adaptec 3940UW IBM UW 2.1gig HD Quantum 850meg HD Teac 6x CDROM STB LightSpeed 128 SoundScape Elite PS/2 Mouse Thanks, Leland __ Y_ a_ m_ b_ o_ | The leanest, meanest, fightinest sweet tater on Earth! oo o oo o o | o o o | [EMAIL PROTECTED] o ooo o | -- -- -- -- -- -- | http://www.millcomm.com/~llucius (maybe one day) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Password
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- if i were u, i would: obtain a boot disk, boot ur sys up with it, mount the root partition, `vipw` and put a * for root's passwd. reboot the machine and supply a passwd for root asap. /ayn On Sun, 5 Jan 1997, Chuma Agbodike wrote: When I installed Debian 1.1 (linux 2.0) and later upgraded to 2.0.6 I did not give a password. I usually log in as root followed by a CR at password prompt. For some time now I have not logged into Linux. Been busy with several other stuff. Close to 2 months or more. Today I booted linux and it won't let me in. I log in as root and give it CR at password prompt. Keeps rejecting me. How do I get around this? I hate to think that I have to re install from scratch after all the work I did getting it to where I like it. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMtAJf56qvWJYgw1hAQEr6wP/RGGDOr5sB+YJfAr7Y5/SCsvNj0OI0H1U yJKTT2wrHHuCT6KEmeWDe+d/OmAjIUALXhNxiV6XzYUEvopgzI5m7Ajtow0pBqCT x3CZ58NcPfYNWL1vsEqsTiPppVvBN6C/k+WZw4f1qbZ4VXIpDEO5T0f+WOXZnOY2 w+0GyCn8KDU= =jJ4S -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Andrew Y Ng [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Carnegie Mellon University http://andrew.Ngbert.org | ECE major, Music minor campus ph: 412/862-2836 | voice mail: 412/268-6700 x30027 | talk: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] * NGBERT.ORG! *| for online status http://www.Ngbert.org | finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for more info... --X- NetBSD FreeBSD Linux NeXT Be Solaris !windoze wise as a man's head. -- Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tecra Rescue Disk
With some help from Martin Stromberg I have built a temporary replacement rescue disk for Toshiba Tecra 700 series laptops. (They cannot boot a normal bzImage loaded by lilo.) It has the same generic 2.0.27 kernel as in the 1996-12-8 resq1440.bin rescue disk, but with Jens Maurer's kernel patch. This should help out until the new boot disks arrive. You can find my resq144t.bin at http://www.math.virginia.edu/~kdh5j/debian/tecra730 Kirk Hilliard -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
tetex distribution for debian
the tetex TeX/LaTeX distribution is available in rpm format at any Redhat mirror for anyone wishing to install from a package format as opposed to doing it by hand. and of course rpm is available in deb format for easy installation. i've been using the tetex distribution that i installed via rpm format here for the past two weeks without any problems thus far. also, make sure you get the distribution from the ../updates directory on the Redhat mirror as there were some problems with the distribution that was initially released. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How do people on this list backup stuff?
On Sun, 5 Jan 1997, ugs wrote: Before I tell you what I do to make a perfect and bootable copy of your current Linux setup, let me tell you how I have my hard drives configured. on the one hand this sounds like a good system because your backup is bootable, but some problems come to mind. mostly with the theory, not the method. i'm assuming that you just keep one backup copy, so correct me if i am wrong. the problem with this is that if you backup errors or a program upgrade that you later decided that you didn't want you can't get to the previous backups because you just overwrote them with the new backup. also, it is better to put backups on removable media so that it is possible to move them offsite. and that doesn't mean that you are stuck with tape drives either -- i use a Jaz drive. i also organize my linux installation so that backups are small but important stuff is always safeguarded. first, when i use a distribution (i use Redhat at the moment but wish to switch to Debian once things settle down a bit with the 1.2 release) i use it just to get the basic system installed and up and running. basically i still have a stock Redhat distribution on my drive. i then make good use of /usr/local/ (which is on a seperate partition) by downloading all `extra' software that i don't feel serves as basic part of the unix system in .tgz format. I then install them to the /usr/local/ filesystem making symlinks to places elsewhere, but only if required (you can change a lot of default behavior and installation locations at compile time if you just futz around a bit). (`basic' may be different for everyone but for me it includes: the base system, XFree86, libraries, TeX/LaTeX, basic text editors, development stuff, and anything related to the _basic_ operation of the system). that way i can just backup /usr/local/, any configuration files throughout the system, the mail and news spools, and the /home filesystem. all the `basic' unix applications and tools can be reinstalled from a distribution as the core system. then my /usr/local/, /home/, and /var/ filesystems can be restored from backups and mounted into the system. hopefully this makes sense to someone. any comments would be greatly appreciated. -- This message was delayed because the list mail delivery agent was down.
Re: Curious thing about 1.1 - 1.2 upgrade problems
At 07:06 PM 1/4/97 -0500, Daniel S. Barclay wrote: From: Rick Macdonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've been living off the unstable tree for almost a year. Back when the version was 0.95r6 or something like that. I really haven't had any problems to speak about, and certainly not all the problems that people are writing about when upgrading 1.1 - 1.2. One reason may be that I just don't have as many packages installed, but I was wondering if anybody had any other explainations as to why many small incremental upgrades over the months seems to be more stable (in the sense of installations not breaking) than making larger leaps from point release to point release. I'd really like to hear that my observation is indeed false, since upgradability is, of course, one of our major claims for Debian. I wonder: Was the Debian 1.2 release ever tested? That is, did anyone at Debian try installing it from scratch? Yes, I installed the whole system from scratch, however, Bruce did make a few changes to the disks after I had used them so that may be what is catching a few people. I also had to use the ftp install method, and if I remember correctly an ftp binary was included on the disks. Shaya -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X11R6 package in Debian 1.2 bugs (?)
I installed X windows package from Debian 1.2 (ftp'd from uiarchive.cso.uiuc.edu, one of the mirror sites), here are some strange things I noticed, I wonder if anyone else has it: (1). rxvt doesn't work properly: backspace doesn't work, it types ~ instead. I can't set it by stty erase either. (xterm works fine). (2). tcsh doesn't work properly: I can't ftp into my computer from another computer if my shell is tcsh (as specified in /etc/passwd). It gives me user access denied. However, if I say csh in /etc/passwd, ftp works fine, even though the shell is still tcsh (I didn't install csh, so csh defaults to tcsh, I guess). Very strange. (3). I use startx to start X windows, there is the message PEX fonts not loaded, and XIE fonts not loaded. I did install xfntspex package. And what is XIE? I use fvwm manager. PS. I'm still trying to figure out how to make automounter to work, I installed it, but no luck. Any help? Monkey King | This message printed with [EMAIL PROTECTED] | recycled electrons. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie question on serial ports in Linux - please help!
On Sat, 4 Jan 1997, Nathan L. Cutler wrote: Mikael == Mikael Bendtsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mikael And by which device should I call my modem which is Mikael connected to the second serial port? /dev/cua1 or Mikael /dev/ttyS1? Where can I find out more about this? The Linux guru community seems to be divided on this question. I had always read that the cua devnames are for _dialout_ connections, and the ttyS devices are for _dialin_ connections (or was it the other way around?)... The original reason for the bifurcation in the first place had to do with locking difficulties and getty (if I'm not mistaken) and have since been fixed. As a result, cua devices are being discouraged in favor of ttyS devices for both dial out and dial in. As a seperate data point. I still use the cua device on my dialout modem, with ppp, and have no problem. It's not that they are non-functional, it's really a conformity issue, as best I can tell. To shorten the answer: use ttyS for both dial in and dial out. Luck, Dwarf -- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 If you don't see what you want, just ask -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
chfn -f : permission denied. Is this a bug?
Why doesn't chfn let user's change their full name?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~chfn
Changing the user information for joey
Enter the new value, or press return for the default
Full name is Joey Hess
Room Number []:
Work Phone []:
Home Phone []:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~chfn -f Joey test Hess
chfn: Permission denied.
I'm running debian with shadow password added:
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ii shadow-passwd 960810-1 Manage shadow password and group files
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Re: X11R6 package in Debian 1.2 bugs (?)
On Sun, 5 Jan 1997, Xinbing Liu wrote: (2). tcsh doesn't work properly: I can't ftp into my computer from another computer if my shell is tcsh (as specified in /etc/passwd). It gives me user access denied. However, if I say csh in /etc/passwd, ftp works fine, even though the shell is still tcsh (I didn't install csh, so csh defaults to tcsh, I guess). Very strange. Put whatever shell into /etc/shells. It will then work. Yours, -- martin // Martin Konold, Muenzgasse 7, 72070 Tuebingen, Germany // // Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] // Linux - because reboots are for hardware upgrades -- Edwin Huffstutler [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Just go ahead and write your own multitasking multiuser os ! Worked for me all the times. -- Linus Torvalds -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OK to install across 2 HDs?
On Sat, 4 Jan 1997, Joseph L. Hartmann, Jr. wrote: On Sat, 4 Jan 1997, Pete Templin wrote: On Sat, 4 Jan 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to install Debian Linux into various partitions on 2 harddisks. hdb holds 400 MB, and hdc around 1.1 GB. I have two HD's. Right now only one is hooked up -- it is my hda, a 1.6G Western Digital, running Redhat. I wish to hook up in addition a 340 Meg Connor. I would like that to be the slave so that I can keep my WD stuff where it is. I want to install Debian on the 340 Meg drive until I convince myself if I want Debian on the 1.6G drive. I would like to boot up on either one. How do I arrange that? The second one would be hdb, would it not? . Each drive will be partitioned by using linux fdisk, and each drive has a small DOS partition on hda1 and hdb1. I do not wish to use both disks for one distribution just yet (I understand the merit of doing that, however). I want to get Debian running on my test 340 meg drive, without disturbing my running system. Can I get lilo to boot from either drive? How? I'd suggest following the Debian default of placing LILO/MBR on hdb, boot from your floppy, then build another lilo.conf to put on hda. See the howto's on LILO for more info (I'm not doing this sort of fancy stuff with LILO). You bet. If possible, stick to hda and hdc. I don't understand this statement. What exactly is the relation between hda, hdb, and hdc? Do you have one controller that runs two HD's? What is your hardware configuration? P133/32M, one flop + one floppy port tape drive, 2S, 1PP. This (as well as many other Pentium mb's) has two IDE ports, each capable of handling two drives. hda primary IDE port, master hdb primary IDE port, slave hdc secondary IDE port, master hdd secondary IDE port, slave Slave drives use controller circuitry embedded in the master drive on an Integrated Drive and Electronics drive. Also, IDE can only do one thing at a time. If you can make both hard drives masters (primary and secondary), you'll get better performance. These are good ideas. I like this, and when I get past my experimental phase I will do this also. Thank you. Be careful that you don't get too many partitions. I strongly suggest that you at least separate /home from /, so if you have to reinstall you haven't lost your files. After that, the next goal is to get / small. The smaller / is (more a case of less files than actual size of partition) the less disk writing that will go on, and less chance of corruption that way. Shouldn't have (I know I break my own rules here) more than one or at most two active partitions on a disk. If both are in use, the disk arm is going to have to go back and forth a lot. Unfortunately, I don't want to lump everything on one partition, and there's a limit to how many small-size (250-300), good-performing, IDE drives (I know those last two things are an oxymoron, but...) you can buy and cram in a system. As always, refer to http://www.pathname.com/fhs for a real good discussion of what files go where in Linux. Finally, as far as I know, / doesn't have to be a primary partition. But are there any advantages to designating it as primary? IMHO, a little less risk that the partition won't ever disappear. No real evidence to back it up, though. --Pete ___ Peter J. Templin, Jr. Client Services Analyst Computer Communication Services tel: (717) 524-1590 Bucknell University [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X11R6 package in Debian 1.2 bugs (?)
On Sun, 5 Jan 1997, Xinbing Liu wrote: (2). tcsh doesn't work properly: I can't ftp into my computer from another computer if my shell is tcsh (as specified in /etc/passwd). It gives me user access denied. However, if I say csh in /etc/passwd, ftp works fine, even though the shell is still tcsh (I didn't install csh, so csh defaults to tcsh, I guess). Very strange. Read the man page on ftpd, or simply add /usr/bin/tcsh to /etc/shells (the short answer to RTFM). The ftpserver checks to see if you have a valid shell before allowing you to log in. --Pete ___ Peter J. Templin, Jr. Client Services Analyst Computer Communication Services tel: (717) 524-1590 Bucknell University [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pls, send to the right address
Please, everybody: could you address your e-mails to the list, instead of
sending them personally to somebody and cc them to the list? Many people (like
me) set up filters to separate mailing lists from personal e-mail, and check
the
To: field in the message header. To have the filter check for the Cc:
field
as well slows down a lot the filter, and I'd like to avoid this, if possible.
Why don't you just check the X-Mailing-List: header instead of To:? It's
better than trying to dictate how everyone replies to the list.
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Re: OK to install across 2 HDs?
I am writing my questions in between the text, if anyone can answer them I would appreciate it. Why are you not using hda and hdb? what determines which one you use? I would use hda and hdb. I don't have an eide controller so I don't have an hdc or hdd. Some might prefer to use hda and hdc, since both drives could be masters, but if you have an ide cdrom, I would use hda, and hdb, as I believe the cdrom can slow down the other side, ie cdrom on hdd slows down hdc. I have two HD's. Right now only one is hooked up -- it is my hda, a 1.6G Western Digital, running Redhat. I wish to hook up in addition a 340 Meg Connor. I would like that to be the slave so that I can keep my WD stuff where it is. I want to install Debian on the 340 Meg drive until I convince myself if I want Debian on the 1.6G drive. I would like to boot up on either one. How do I arrange that? Install Debian, then you need to let lilo know were both versions are. You can do this two ways, 1, modify the etc/lilo.conf on the debian version (while running Debian), and run lilo, or 2, modify the etc/lilo.conf on Redhat, while running Redhat. The tricky part is that the partition that has the zImage (or vmlinuz) on it must be mounted (this isn't needed for dos, it is handled a little differently). I would make sure I had a boot disk for Redhat before I started. At least this is how I did it when I converted from Slackware to Debian. The lilo.conf may look something like this. When running Redhat, but the debian partition is mounted on /mnt. boot=/dev/hda root=/dev/hda1 compact map=/boot/map vga=normal delay=20 #Redhat image=/zImage label=Redhat read-only #Debian image=/mnt/zImage root=/dev/hdb1 label=Debian read-only The second one would be hdb, would it not? . Each drive will be partitioned by using linux fdisk, and each drive has a small DOS partition on hda1 and hdb1. I do not wish to use both disks for one distribution just yet (I understand the merit of doing that, however). I want to get Debian running on my test 340 meg drive, without disturbing my running system. Can I get lilo to boot from either drive? How? I am not sure what you mean. Bios reads the MBR, which will have lilo installed in it. lilo then goes on from there. You can configure lilo from either program, and but lilo on either MBR, but BIOS reads from hda. You bet. If possible, stick to hda and hdc. I saw a 10 to 1 performance improvement in Win95 ScanDisk when I moved my second 1.2G Western Digital to secondary master from primary slave (primary master is an identical 1.2 WD). I don't understand this statement. What exactly is the relation between hda, hdb, and hdc? Do you have one controller that runs two HD's? What is your hardware configuration? He probably has an EIDE controller. It's kind of like having to pairs of IDE controllers. hda (master) hdb slave drive. hdc (master) hdd slave drive. This configuration information is in the lilo documents, but it won't jump out at you, so read it slowly, and multiple times. Mark W. Blunier -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Good buy or not?
On Sun, 5 Jan 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it as new? Do their machines use standard memory components, so they could be easily upgraded with parts from other vendors, etc? They don't AFAIK, PBs use proprietary parts which means you usually have to buy from them to get upgrade parts. Not a good thing, IMHO. Not only are your options limited, but you usually pay a lot more buying from PB. My current machine is an old 486 box, and I need space for an additional HD, etc. Running an AMD 486/133, so this machine would not really be much of an upgrade in itself in terms of performance, but if possible, I would quickly upgrade its cpu and memory. Would this be a decent platform to build on or not? Hmm ... I think an AMD 5x86/133 is the fastest 486 you can ever get. For about $150 or so, you can get a Pentium MB with a AMD K5/100. If your current video is ISA, you'll also benefit from being able to buy a PCI video card. That'll set you back about $50 or so for a mid-range SVGA card with something like 1MB DRAM. == Arcadio Alivio Sincero, Jr. Undergraduate Computer Science Major/Linux Enthusiast/Competitive Bodybuilder email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW:Not available yet -- still looking for free webspace! Bare feet magnetize sharp metal objects so they point upward from the floor, especially in the dark. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gcc
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Timothy Phan) writes: ld: cannot open -lncurses: no such file or directory Have you installed ncurses3.0-dev? You need the libncurses.so link provided by this package to compile (among other things). both libs are in /lib: libncurses.so.3.0 libtermcap.so.2 - libtermcap.so.2.0.8 libtermcap.so.2.0.8 This is the runtime lib. linking searches for the link w/o a version number. Guy -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No ftp? Have I missed something?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Norman Widders) writes: i follow the discussions constantly between redhat, slackware and debian distributions and have not heard one person comment on debian being too large. downloading six megabytes doesnt take that long B) I was also incredulous the first time I heard this argument, but naive users do make it. I agree that at least a broken net-std package should be included, with just ftp and telnet. Especially if there is still room on the last disk set. There's probably not room for the entire net-std package. Guy -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How do people on this list backup stuff?
Walter Tautz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am curious to find out how people back stuff? Specifically I am interested in finding out whether it is necessary to use a tape system or is it also possible to use another hardrive. Afterall, it would appear a hardrive is cheaper than a *quality* tape system? Tapes are still cheaper. You can buy cheap hard drives for 10 cents/meg, but you can buy tapes for 1 or 2 cents/meg. As to software? I use tob. Guy -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
