Re: pine produces segmentation faults (fwd)

[Bruce Perens]

> Gee, what's wrong with a suggestion to "Read The Fine Manuals"???

Oh, it's read the _fine_ manual, is it? Everything I know is wrong!

One would hope that we could answer questions on this list in a polite
and respectful manner, especially since there's absolutely no way that
we could ever expect people to know all of this stuff. While Billy is
helpful I suspect he's one of the parties who could most use the "polite
and respectful" practice.

Or Billy could just hang out more on the developers lists, where we light
into each other like siamese fighting fish. I've been getting an excellent
course in developing a thick skin over there. I'm almost ready for politics.

Bruce
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Re: Free Publicity from the RSA Data Security Challenge

[Jason Gunthorpe]

On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Bruce Perens wrote:

> From: "Jens B. Jorgensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Please note that this doesn't help those of us who already *have* to
> > use socks to get to the 'net.
> 
> I guess you'd have to get at your SOCKS server in order to tell it to call
> our SOCKS server for this particular service.

Does anyone know exactly what kind of protocol this RSA thing uses? There
is a pretty good chance it's simply tcp with no address transfer, in which
case plug-gw from the tis-fwtk will do the trick quite nicely. You only
need to know the port it tries to connect to and the destination address. 

Now, if the program has a hard coded destination address socks is one of
the few ways :<

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Re: [OFFTOPIC] rc5-race FAQ

[Philippe Strauss]

On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Ioannis Tambouras wrote:

> 
> 2.  useful URLS  
> 
> 
> More info about the contest is at   http://zero.genx.net/ 
> 
> Email statistics are at http://zero.genx.net/bill/email.html
> 
> RC5 clients are at ftp://portal.stwing.upenn.edu/pub/rc5  (US only)
>
> There are non-us sites with clients at   (?? please let me know)

ftp://ftp.tecnet.de/pub/rc5
ftp://ftp.xtdnet.nl/pub/rc5
ftp://sicel-home-1-4.urbanet.ch/pub/RC5-56


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Re: Free Publicity from the RSA Data Security Challenge

[Bruce Perens]

From: "Jens B. Jorgensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Please note that this doesn't help those of us who already *have* to
> use socks to get to the 'net.

I guess you'd have to get at your SOCKS server in order to tell it to call
our SOCKS server for this particular service.

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Re: Free Publicity from the RSA Data Security Challenge

[Jens B. Jorgensen]

Bruce Perens wrote:
> 
> From: "Brian C. White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > If we could create a proxy and route all key requests through our
> > www.debian.org, then that machine would appear, given our current
> > participation, SECOND on the machine list and THIRD on the domain
> > list.
> 
> So ask Michael Shields <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. He owns the machine,
> and he has a 10MBIT connection to the Internet.
> 

Please note that this doesn't help those of us who already *have* to
use socks to get to the 'net.

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Re: Big Problem!

[Bruce Perens]

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bjoern Starke)
> Setting up aout-xpm (3.4f1)
> ldconfig: Warning: Can*t open /usr/X11R6/lib/usr/lib/i486-linuxaout
> (no such file or directory), skipping.
> ldconfig: Warning: Can*t open usr/X11R6/lib/usr/X11R5/lib (no such
> file or directory),, skipping.

Some editing of /etc/ld.so.conf is called for, but this is harmless for
now. Remove directores that no longer exist from the file. BE CAREFUL,
if you mess up this file and run ldconfig, it might wedge your system until
you fix the file and run ldconfig again. Know where your rescue floppy is.

> 2) When i tryed to re-configure my x-Server_S3 wirh XF86Setup and the
> new configuration is started the following line is displayed (i ll
> only write down the first line):
> Couldn*t execute "/usr/X11R6/lib/XF86_SVGA. no such file or directory.

Not being much of an Xpert I don't know the exact problem, but I suspect:

1. You might want to start XF86_S3. Which configuration file has this
   pathname and not /etc/X/X11 ?

2. The X configuration program wants to run the vanilla SVGA server and
   it's not installed?

No doubt someone more cognizant with X will respond.

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java for linux

[Seth Reinosa]

Is ther a compiler for java for linux?


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Re: pine produces segmentation faults (fwd)

[Bruce Perens]

From: William Chow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Time to RTFM, there, Corey.

That's RTM on this list, please.

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Big Problem!

[Bjoern Starke]

Hello,

1)very often when i install/configure new packages the following line
appears:

Setting up aout-xpm (3.4f1)
ldconfig: Warning: Can*t open /usr/X11R6/lib/usr/lib/i486-linuxaout
(no such file or directory), skipping.
ldconfig: Warning: Can*t open usr/X11R6/lib/usr/X11R5/lib (no such
file or directory),, skipping.

2) When i tryed to re-configure my x-Server_S3 wirh XF86Setup and the
new configuration is started the following line is displayed (i ll
only write down the first line):

Couldn*t execute "/usr/X11R6/lib/XF86_SVGA. no such file or directory.

Befor re-configuring i had a running X-Server (i am using a Diamond
Stealth, with S3_864 Chipset)

Any suggestions?

Thanx .bjoern starke


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wu-ftpd to do virtuals

[ljk]

Hi,

Can anyone tell me what is required to do virtual ftp sites
with the standard wu-ftpd distributed on debian ?

Thanks much

Lennard
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Re: Free Publicity from the RSA Data Security Challenge

[Branden Robinson]

[Me:]

> > I think it would score a lot of PR points for Debian to place, or win.
> > Debian is a Linux distribution.  Our win is Linux's win.  Our win is the
> > FSF's win.  Our win is even, to some degree, RedHat's and Slackware's win,
> > because they serve a similar market with a similar product.  Microsoft
> > droids don't appear to be participating: I didn't see any pre-compiled
> > clients for Windows NT.

[Brian White:]

> I agree completely, but we can place on a different list.  There are
> rankings for email address (chosen when running the program), machine
> name (derived from the IP address), and the domain name (also derived
> from the IP address).
> 
> If we could create a proxy and route all key requests through our
> www.debian.org, then that machine would appear, given our current
> participation, SECOND on the machine list and THIRD on the domain
> list.  Because the name "www.debian.org" means web-site, we should
> hopefully get quite a few hits to that site!
> 
> In addition, anybody looking at the numbers would indicate to everyone
> that we are obviously supporting the "linuxnet" address (since at
> 10.1MKeys/sec, only linuxnet and #root have higher totals).
> 
> I'm sure the stats-keeper would transfer our totals to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> and www.debian.org if we asked nicely enough.

That sounds like a damn good idea.  Anyone up for setting up a proxy?

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Re: IMPORTANT: RSA Data Security Challenge participants please read

[Bruce Perens]

From: Mike Neuffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> So far the only thing that Bruce accomplished with his uncoordinated
> action is that numerous hosts dropped entirely out of the key-search.

Big deal. They have years to go. We might ask ourselves some questions
about this kind of publicity.

1. Do we want it? Do we really want free software to be associated with
   code-breaking in the eyes of the uneducated public? I'm not sure that
   would not hurt us. Just think about the articles on a government code
   being broken using a "hacker" tool called "Debian". Also, some of the
   people participating most likely don't have permission to use their
   employer's machines for outside cryptography projects (I'm thinking of
   a certain person at a U.S. military facility). I don't want to be around
   when that gets exposed.

2. Does it hurt us in other ways? For example, will we be perceived
   as working against people we should be working with?

3. Are there better ways for us to spend our time? I sure think so.

Thanks

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Re: IMPORTANT: RSA Data Security Challenge participants please read

[Mike Neuffer]

On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Karl Ferguson wrote:

> At 07:03 PM 25/02/97 PST, Bruce Perens wrote:
> >It was OK for us to participate as "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" in the RSA Data
> >Security Challenge as long as we didn't have any chance of beating
> >the "Linux" group. It looks as if we do have a chance. It would be real
> >embarassing to beat them. So please, if you are participating, change your
> >reporting address to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" NOW. I have asked the
> >statistics-keepers to add the figure for [EMAIL PROTECTED] to that for
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] .
> 
> Why is it such a bad thing to beat the Linux group?  The whole idea is to
> increase the awareness of Debian Linux - when people see we're in the
> number 2 slot or even number 1, we'll have good publicity.
> 
> I cannot see anything wrong with running under Debian - from a business
> point of view, if people don't hear of us and our popularity then we won't
> be open to such things and donations of powerful workstations and ports
> etc.  This is a *bad* idea IMO.


Yes. 

So far the only thing that Bruce accomplished with his uncoordinated
action is that numerous hosts dropped entirely out of the key-search.

Mike

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Re: pine produces segmentation faults (fwd)

[William Chow]

On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Corey Allert wrote:

> also Xfree86 doesn't run properly  .. . it will as root but as any other
> user X starts as if no window manager is set . .  and typing startx -exec
> fvwm2 will bring up the correct gui but there is no command prompt in the
> xterm . . . freaky eh??

Time to RTFM, there, Corey. I suggest a good X book, i.e. X User's Guide
by O'Reilly (volume 3 in the X series.) 
The reason why this isn't working is because your users don't have a
.xinitrc that contains a windows manager. Suggest you build a skeleton
directory with a proper .xinitrc file, or edit the systemwide xinitrc to
include a standard WM. As for the xterm bit, you're probably getting weird
behaviour because the xterm probably doesn't have an & attached to it in
whatever startup file you have Probably also your systemwide xinitrc
doesn't have th proper read permissions if your root directory contains no
.xinitrc file. Finally, you shouldn't be running X as root.

This is probably in a FAQ.

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Re: Free Publicity from the RSA Data Security Challenge

[Bruce Perens]

From: "Brian C. White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> If we could create a proxy and route all key requests through our
> www.debian.org, then that machine would appear, given our current
> participation, SECOND on the machine list and THIRD on the domain
> list.

So ask Michael Shields <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. He owns the machine,
and he has a 10MBIT connection to the Internet.

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Re: Live filesystem on CDs

[Mike Neuffer]

On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, John Goerzen wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Feb 1997, Mike Neuffer wrote:
> 
> > > Personally, I would go for seperate i386 and m68k CD's, both with source.
> > 
> > It doesn't fit (i386 + source) on one CD. However we had a number
> > of orders for 68k CDs and i386+68k binaries fit on one CD at the moment.
> 
> Hmm, just an observation here.  (Not necessarily directed at you, Mike.)
> Are *all* packages that are compressed with gzip compressed with gzip -9?
> Including all .orig.tar.gz files, .diff.gz, etc.?  If not, this may be a
> way to save some space for now.

I don't know and we can't control it. This depends entirely on the
developers. If we would (re-)gzip the packages, we would change them and
the MD5 sums would not fit anymore.

Mike


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Re: IMPORTANT: RSA Data Security Challenge participants please read

[Bruce Perens]

From: "John T. Larkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Harvey Mudd should be producing somewhere between 3 and 4 M kps by 
> tomarrow.  Right now, most of us are running under [EMAIL PROTECTED],
> but we can change that if Bruce still disagrees with our possition.

I asked the people at Zero to lump our points in with those for
[EMAIL PROTECTED] . They are either doing that or just deleting our
submissions from the log, I'm not sure.

I suggest that those who wish to participate _for_debian_ establish a
socks server in the debian domain that they all submit their reports
through. That will put the email as [EMAIL PROTECTED] and the host
name as something in Debian.

Again, I wanted to avoid the perception that Debian would work against
Linux if it profited Debian to do so. I doubt Linus or RMS give a hoot
what happens either way (Linus didn't mention it to me when we emailed
yesterday) but other people do.

Bruce

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Re: lprm says "Permission denied" (fwd)

[carlos]

Philippe Troin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote on 26 February 1997 09:34:
 >> lprm can't regonize that the user "spiegl" is a local user because of
 >> a problem with your hostname in /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts.
 >> 
 >> If /etc/hostname looks like
 >> your_hostname
 >> 
 >> then your /etc/hosts file should contain a line like this
 >>your_hostname   your_hostname.somewhere.com
 >> 
 >> The order of the two names in /etc/hosts is very important.
 >
 >This is as simple as that !
 >This should be put ASAP in the lpd documentation.
 >But doesn't it conflict with the requirement that the official name for a 
 >machine (ie FQDN) should be put first in /etc/hosts ?

Yes. The suggestion is wrong, the suggestion is just a hack. The
problem is due to an incoherence between lprm/lpr/lpd. I sent a patch
for this last year, I think it was applied but it may have been
dropped. I haven't followed lpr*.deb since, because for me it's
working and I don't want to touch it ever again.

Besides this mess, lpr has security problems as well.

The real fix seems to go to lprng. That's the official position of the
maintainer as well, as stated in a msg. to this list last year. I'll
do it as soon as I have a chance.

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Re: IMPORTANT: RSA Data Security Challenge participants please read

[Bruce Perens]

From: Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Today, RC5.  Tomorrow, DES.  Next
> week, Phil Zimmerman's a free man.  (Oh well, we can dream...)

Bruce:
> The government dropped its case against Zimmerman long ago.

> Branden:
> I guess the government figures it can leave you alone after it bankrupts
> you...but hopefully things didn't get quite that bad for him...

Look at www.pgp.com . He's quite the businessman. Bought Viacrypt and
folded it into his own company, etc.

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Re: Extremely rare Apache configuration

[Jason Gunthorpe]

On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Eloy A. Paris wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
> I have the following situation: my company has a HTTP proxy server to
> access Internet WWW sites. All browsers are required to use this proxy
> because we all are behind a firewall. 
> 
> I am overseas and connected to our corporate headquarters through a very
> slow satellite link. I can not give my users unlimited access to the
> Internet through the proxy because of the limited bandwidth, which is
> needed for more important tasks.
> 
> There are certain hosts in the Internet my users need to access, but again,
> to do this they HAVE to go through the proxy.
> 
> What about this: set up Apache locally as a proxy server for my local users
> and, at the same time, to have Apache contacting the corporate proxy server
> to access Internet hosts. I know it sounds confusing and do not know if I
> am understood...
> 
> Another way of putting it would be: can one proxy server be configured to
> go through the another proxy server for certain addresses???

I just looked at the squid (caching proxy server) config file and it does
have tags to do this, You'd setup squid to use your corp's proxy server
for *.mycorp.com and squid would get the rest directly, I'd suggest the
tags to add to the config file would be:

cache_host myproxy.corp.com 80 7  # proxy-port icp-disable
cache_host_domain myproxy.corpy.com mycorp.com

All other requests will be resolved localy. squid is handy because it
should cache pages retrieved from your slow sat link, speeding things up 
alot, it's also a snap to setup under debian ;>

Jason


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Re: Free Publicity from the RSA Data Security Challenge

[Rob Browning]

"Brian C. White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> If we could create a proxy and route all key requests through our
> www.debian.org,

OK, does someone want to do this?  I don't know how, and probably
don't have the required access anyway, but it sounds like the most
reasonable solution, and satisfies nearly everyone's goals.

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SkyJet?

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Has anybody tried a SkyJet yet? (SCSI)


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Re: debian and ISDN?

[Nils Rennebarth]

>> From: Alexander Lazarevic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Can somebody give me a hint how to connect my debian-linux box via
>> ISDN?!

On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Al Youngwerth wrote:
>The easiest way to do this is with an external ISDN TA.
This is somewhat expensive

>The isdn4linux stuff is very sophisticated but all the best documentation
>for it seems to be in German.
I doubt Alexander would mind ... :-)

I suggest joining the isdn4linux mailing list by sending
mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with
  subscribe isdn4linux  your_email_address
in the body, and read the FAQ residing on

  ftp://ftp.franken.de/pub/isdn4linux/FAQ/
  http://www.lrz-muenchen.de/~ui161ab/www/isdn/

Yes, the recommended way is to patch the kernel to get the HiSax driver
included instead of using the teles. It is in active development,
considered more stable and supports more hardware. I recommend however
to build the driver as a loadable module. The isdnutils Package in
instable is rather outdated however (Christian.. ?), I recommend getting
the current sources from
 ftp.franken.de/pub/isdn4linux/v2.0/isdn4k-utils-2.0.tar.gz

and using
 ftp.franken.de/pub/isdn4linux/HiSax/HiSax_1.5.patch_for_2.0.gz
as the kernel patch. A lot of people (including me) have problems with the
current HiSax.

Don't be afraid, isdn4linux is a very well working and stable product

Probably the new driver will make it's way to 2.0.30 kernel, making
applying patches unnecessary.

Nils

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Re: xemacs is ignoring my tab key

[William Chow]

On 26 Feb 1997, James LewisMoss wrote:

> > "Harmon" == Harmon Sequoya Nine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
>  Harmon> Just ran xemacs and was using it to edit a C++ program.
>  Harmon> Unfortunately, when I try to indent using my "tab" key,
>  Harmon> xemacs totally ignores it.  I've looked through "Learning GNU
>  Harmon> emacs" but to no avail.
> 
>  Harmon> Also, I tried to change the tab settings using the ESC-x
>  Harmon> edit-tab-stops so that my tabs are every 4 characters, but
>  Harmon> after doing so, the tabs that are already in my C++ source
>  Harmon> remain at every 8 characters.
> 
>  Harmon> Any info you can give me on this will be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Try this little bit of code:
> (setq-default tab-width 4)
> ;; this stops insertion of tabs completely so only uncomment if you
> ;; like that (which many people don't, but I do :)
> ;; (setq-default indent-tabs-mode nil)
> (progn 
>   (setq count 120)
>   (setq tab-stops '())
>   (while (> count 0)
> (setq tab-stops (cons count tab-stops))
> (setq count (- count 4
This might work to a limited extent, but one begs to ask the question,
have you set your mode to C++? A quick meta-x c++-mode will probably solve
your problems. This is covered in the Gnu Emacs manual, btw. Not only does
the mode give you proper indentation, but also proper highlighting of
code, electric this and that... etc.

> 
> As to  not indenting do C-h k  and see if it says something
> like 'indent-line'.  If not your keymap is messed up for one reason or
> another.
Yeah, but the person said he could tab if he set the tab stops. My guess
is he's in scratch editing in fundemental.

> 
> Try this:
> (setq-default c-tab-always-indent t)
> 
> Another thing to look for when you are having problems like this is to
> do C-h a .  This will give a listing of all functions and
> variables that contain .  Helps me greatly when something is
> working the way I expect.



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Re: HD prob - bad inodes

[William Chow]

On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, dr. banzai wrote:

> 
> I am having problems installing Debian. Here is what
> happens.
> 
> The installation goes smoothly until I get to the part
> where it decompresses the selected packages from dselect.
> halfway through, it crashes with some kind of kernel memory error
> and forces me to reboot the system. Upon reboot, I get an
> "UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY" error on my /dev/hda4 (my linux
> partition). It boots in safe mode, and asks me to manually
> check my fs. I do an fsck -t ext2 /dev/hda4 and the errors
> make up about 20 pages. They consist of various inode,
> freeblock count wrong, and directory inconsistency errors.
> I hold down "y" for about 20 seconds as the errors flash
> by. Upon rebooting, there's a sprinkling of EXT2FS-warnings
You can run fsck with a -y option i believe which will say yes to all
questions (non-interactive mode). Be warned that doing this could
permanently hoze your drive's data. (I've hozed a complete zip drive
before by doing this).

> in amongst the regular boot messages. If I try to run dselect
> again, it stops with a "file not found" error, presumably
> because fsck deleted the corrupt file. If I try to run fsck
> at this point, it corrects a couple of errors. If I run it
> again, it says the FS is clean. If I reboot and check it
> again, it catches a few more errors. What is going on?
I'd reformat the hd since you don't have any stuff installed anyway. If
this doesn't work, see below

> 
> I have 4 partitions, 2 DOS, 1 swap, and 1 ext2. I run win95
> on my dos partitions, and haven't seen any problems with the
> HD. Also in the installation, it did the bad-block check
> without any probs. 
> 
> This all started when I was using Slackware a few weeks ago.
> I was manipulating a large file (30 megs) when it froze up. 
> I rebooted and was greeted with a "bad inode on device 03:04"
> error which repeated endlessly on the screen. I decided to
> delete and re-form my partition and try Debian, but it hasn't
> fixed the problem. 
This is inidicative of a possible conflict between Parition Magic and
Lilo. I don't run PM, so I have no idea what the exact problem would be. A
possible solution would be to explicitly state drive geometry during
bootup, or to run fdisk and make sure that the fdisk in Linux agrees with
the setup in PM/BIOS. I would contact PM and ask them about possible
conflicts with Linux partitions if I were you. 

> 
> It started happening also around when I ran Partition Magic
> version 3 to modify my DOS partitons. There were no errors.
> I dont know if this is the problem because I overwrote the
> partition table with the partitioning program that comes with 
> the Debian installation package. There were no errors there
> either.
> 
> Here are my system specs:
> 
> intel pentium 120
> ASUS P/I-P55TP4XE mb
> Quantum Fireball 2100 meg
> 32 mb RAM
> 
> I am using the I/O controller which is built into the motherboard.
> My BIOS is set to LBA mode.
Get the Large HD HOWTO from sunsite or from the newsgroup linux.answers. I
would think it's PM and Linux disk geometry conflict. But it's hard to
tell since I don't run PM. 

Will
> 
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first installation, network problem

[Eugene H. Sevinian]

I hope that someone can help me to fix such problems: 

After my first installation of Debian Linux I can run clients of ftp,
rlogin, telnet but it is imposible to do the same from outside to
communicate with my system. Only ping is OK in all directions. Though
there are some problems with DNS but I do not think that this can cause
such situation. 

Thanks forward,
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Re: lprm says "Permission denied" (fwd)

[Andreas Nowack]

On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Philippe Troin wrote:

> 
> On Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:13:58 +0100 Andreas Nowack ([EMAIL PROTECTED]
> achen.de) wrote:
> 
> > lprm can't regonize that the user "spiegl" is a local user because of
> > a problem with your hostname in /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts.
> > 
> > If /etc/hostname looks like
> > your_hostname
> > 
> > then your /etc/hosts file should contain a line like this
> >your_hostname   your_hostname.somewhere.com
> > 
> > The order of the two names in /etc/hosts is very important.
> 
> This is as simple as that !
> This should be put ASAP in the lpd documentation.
I agree! After a long time I found the solution somewhere in the
debian-bug-list.

> But doesn't it conflict with the requirement that the official name for a 
> machine (ie FQDN) should be put first in /etc/hosts ?
I don't know. Another way is:

/etc/hostname:
your_hostname.somewhere.com

/etc/hosts:
   your_hostname.somewhere.com   your_hostname

The disadvantage (?) of this way is that then the login prompt will look like
your_hostname.somewhere.com login: _   


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RE: Package configuration philosophy

[William Chow]

On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Kevin McEnhill wrote:

> Yoav wrote:
> 
> #ifdef QUOTE 
> 
> It seems that Debian is taking a rather different philosophy on
> pre-configured packages than other distributions, such as RedHat. What I
> 
> 
> 
> It seems as if Debian is catering to the more techie crowd - the ones
> that want a bare-bones system they can play around with and not have
> someone else make decisions and choices for them. Sort of like after
> installing Solaris - the system is stripped to the bones by way of
> configuration - you have to set it all up by yourself.
> 
> My proposition - let's go for the more casual, yet sophisticated user.
> A user that DOES want to read the Fvwm man page to learn how to set it
> up to his own tastes, BUT doesn't want to do it 2 hours after installing
> the system and in the meantime he would like a nice default to help him
> get along.
> 
> #endif -
> 
> 
> Well, I see your point about Debian leaving you with the "So, now what?"
> feeling after an installation, but I think that is an advantage. Yes it
> does cater to the technical crowd but, it isn't that technical and you end
> up learning something about your system while you try to customize it. I am
> in the process of trying to set up color ls in my xterms. On other systems,
Although this might be okay the first time around, if you want to use
Debian on a mass installation on multiple systems, or you simply want to
setup a friend's system, writing all the scripts can be somewhat of a pain
for each install and using dselect for each machine can also be annoying.

> it might be included and I would have never learned about my .bashrc,
> .profile, .xresource, and xrdb. In trying to do a simple customization, I
> have been learning about my system.
But for practical installations even the "techie" type would appreciate a
dumb non-interactive install if one has to do it for a lot of machines. It
wouldn't be hard to make another debian package that would install
standardized scripts, such as a profile and a skeleton. The packages,
however, tend to install their own defaults, (such as X). So I fail to see
a need for a "standerdizaton" of anything beyond some base scripts. Again,
this should be a no brainer and if anyone wants to do it, they can
write/commandeer a couple of startup scripts and package them as a .deb
file. It would be nice if dpkg could be automated to install a
standardized
setup from the get go. I suppose that this can be another script, written
in bash or perl that reads from a config file. Or one could always port
the dselect file(s)

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Re: IMPORTANT: RSA Data Security Challenge participants please read

[Mark Eichin]

subtle, but correct.  I've switched (my not terribly significant)
machines over...


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Free Publicity from the RSA Data Security Challenge

[Brian C. White]

> I think it would score a lot of PR points for Debian to place, or win.
> Debian is a Linux distribution.  Our win is Linux's win.  Our win is the
> FSF's win.  Our win is even, to some degree, RedHat's and Slackware's win,
> because they serve a similar market with a similar product.  Microsoft
> droids don't appear to be participating: I didn't see any pre-compiled
> clients for Windows NT.

I agree completely, but we can place on a different list.  There are
rankings for email address (chosen when running the program), machine
name (derived from the IP address), and the domain name (also derived
from the IP address).

If we could create a proxy and route all key requests through our
www.debian.org, then that machine would appear, given our current
participation, SECOND on the machine list and THIRD on the domain
list.  Because the name "www.debian.org" means web-site, we should
hopefully get quite a few hits to that site!

In addition, anybody looking at the numbers would indicate to everyone
that we are obviously supporting the "linuxnet" address (since at
10.1MKeys/sec, only linuxnet and #root have higher totals).

I'm sure the stats-keeper would transfer our totals to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
and www.debian.org if we asked nicely enough.

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Re: Package configuration philosophy

[Yoav Cohen-Sivan]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  Craig Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Yoav Cohen-Sivan wrote:
> 
> 
> > Debian comes up in a much "rawer" form after install - for instance,
> > no prompt beyond the basic "#" for root and "$" for the user (RedHat
> > gives you the now famous "username /home/username$" prompt).
> 
> # and $ are standard/expected prompts. if you want something different,
> customise it yourself. 


   I think you are missing my point. I'm not just talking about the
prompt or X11 or any other specific package, but the whole shabam.



> 
> what are you talking about?
> 
> debian has a 'menu' package which all other packages can use to register
> themselves with - menus for fvwm, fvwm95 and other are auto-generated
> from this information. It was written in such a way that it is easy to
> add support for a new window manager or text-mode menu program whenever
> needed. 
> 
> Not all packages are using menu yet, but most are.  
> 


 Yes, I know about this - I found it out a few days ago, BUT, you
are again missing my point that in *my*, yes, *my* view it would be an
advantage to have some sort of nice default setup instead of a
bare-bones system. Yes, all the tools are in place to help me customize
but the system is still bare-bones. I don't know about you, but I am
into Linux as a hobby - I only have a few hours a week to devote to it.
I *will* get around to learning all the intricacies and I *will*
configure it to my own tastes, but in the meantime, while I am learning
all the functions I would prefer a nicer setup.



> It's also fairly easy to use it to make custom menus - e.g. if you want
> an xterms menu which contains several "xterm -T  -e rlogin
> " menu entries then you can have it quite easily - either as
> part of the standard system menu which everyone gets or as your custom
> menu which only your login gets.
> 
> last i saw them, redhat's menus were all hard-coded.  they DON'T get
> automatically updated whenever a new package is installed.  Debian's menus
> DO get automatically updated.
> 
> so, install the menu package and look in /usr/doc/menu
> 
> >  These are just a few examples. 
> 
> ...of not bothering to find out what debian can do.
> 
> it seems to me that your complaints have less to do with omissions in
> debian than with lack of understanding/knowledge on your part. What you
> want (and more!) is already in debian.
> 
> Craig
> 


My complaints have to do with the fact that for someone taking Linux as
a hobby, as opposed to it being a part of his work or very soul, Debain
seems to neglect the fact that I can't learn it all in 3
days/weeks/whatever yet still would like a simple working system while I
go through the ropes.



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Re: IMPORTANT: RSA Data Security Challenge participants please read

[John T. Larkin]

On Feb 26, Jens B. Jorgensen wrote
> Karl Ferguson wrote:
> > At 07:03 PM 25/02/97 PST, Bruce Perens wrote:
> > >the "Linux" group. It looks as if we do have a chance. It would be real
> > >embarassing to beat them. So please, if you are participating, change your
> > >reporting address to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" NOW. 
> > Why is it such a bad thing to beat the Linux group?  The whole idea is to
> > increase the awareness of Debian Linux - when people see we're in the
> > number 2 slot or even number 1, we'll have good publicity.
> Yeah. If the folks at gzero.net will add the numbers from
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> to [EMAIL PROTECTED] then why would we want to change?! I think that is
> all the more reason *not* to change because we can help the greater
> cause
> while at the same time getting airplay for Debian? 

I think it may be an excellent idea to _ask_ the other non-debian
members of the linux community and see what they think.  We can 
talk all we want, and it won't change what they think we're doing.  
If the rest of the linux world doesn't mind if we run under 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (especially if that email address is just added
to the total for [EMAIL PROTECTED]), then all is well and good.  If they
think we're impertenent snobs, perhaps we should change.

As a side note:
Harvey Mudd should be producing somewhere between 3 and 4 M kps by 
tomarrow.  Right now, most of us are running under [EMAIL PROTECTED],
but we can change that if Bruce still disagrees with our possition.
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Re: IMPORTANT: RSA Data Security Challenge participants please read

[Juri P Pakaste]

"Jens B. Jorgensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Yeah. If the folks at gzero.net will add the numbers from
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] then why would we want to
> change?! I think that is all the more reason *not* to change because
> we can help the greater cause while at the same time getting airplay
> for Debian?

Because it'll still look like we're competiting with linuxnet (well,
not we - I've been running as linuxnet and I'm going to continue doing
so). It wouldn't be a bad idea if the Linux community tried to look
just a bit unified in things like this.

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kerneld activity

[G. Kapetanios]

Hi,

I a new to this list and to Debian. I have a 2.0.0 kernel and debian 1.2
Some days ago I updated some packages from the unstable tree. The packages
were base-passwd bsdutils debianutils dpkg e2fsprogs fileutils and 
findutils.  I have noticed by runing pstree that kerneld 
spawns new kernelds at very short intervals . More specifically 
kerneld spawns another kerneld which in its turn might spawn yet another
or
might spawn a sh process Then very quickly the child processes disappear.
This happens at very short intervls ( seconds) Additionally there is some
minor hard disk activity ( probably ) unrelated with the fact that I am
runing some backgroung batch jobs. Can anyone tell me if this is normal or
is it a bug or is it because i haven't upgraded some other package ??
At the moment no other problems are caused but I am abit worried. 

As I don't know very much about kerneld (or linux) i would appreciate some
help very much. If someone can tell me what kerneld does exactlly and
which configuration files it uses I guess that would help too.  

Thanks for any help
George   

PS I should also note that I installed the packages by nfs from another
site . Then I could not unmount this site because probably some process
has its home directory in the directory structure of the other site. Later
I reinstalled the version of the above packages from the stable but 
the problem did not stop 


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Re: IMPORTANT: RSA Data Security Challenge participants please read

[Branden Robinson]

> From: Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Today, RC5.  Tomorrow, DES.  Next
> > week, Phil Zimmerman's a free man.  (Oh well, we can dream...)
> 
> The government dropped its case against Zimmerman long ago.

I guess the government figures it can leave you alone after it bankrupts
you...but hopefully things didn't get quite that bad for him...

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Re: Package configuration philosophy

[Chris Walker]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you write:
>
>On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Yoav Cohen-Sivan wrote:
>
>> X is pretty bare in Debian after install, too - if you just "startx"
>> you get a simple xterm with no default menus, no menued way of running
>> another xterm, heck not even a FvwmModule running on screen with xload
>> and xclock in it.
>
>what are you talking about?
>
>debian has a 'menu' package which all other packages can use to register
>themselves with - menus for fvwm, fvwm95 and other are auto-generated
>from this information. It was written in such a way that it is easy to
>add support for a new window manager or text-mode menu program whenever
>needed. 
>
>Not all packages are using menu yet, but most are.  

I'm not sure about the situation in unstable, but in stable neither the 
menu package, or fvwm2 seem to provide /etc/menu-methods/fvwm2. 
This file is available in /usr/doc/menu/examples. Because of this, the 
menu is not updated by default. Is this the case in unstable or should I 
report it as a bug?

Having copied the example file over, the result is excellent and should
be a selling point for Debian. Well done.


>
>it seems to me that your complaints have less to do with omissions in
>debian than with lack of understanding/knowledge on your part. What you
>want (and more!) is already in debian.
>

Sometimes, Debian hides its light under a bushel. 

There was a suggestion recently of producing an equivalent of the "Tips on
Startup" available from win95. If this is going ahead, perhaps one of the 
tips could be "You can add user menu entries - for details see ..."

Chris





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Re: IMPORTANT: RSA Data Security Challenge participants please read

[Bruce Perens]

From: Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Today, RC5.  Tomorrow, DES.  Next
> week, Phil Zimmerman's a free man.  (Oh well, we can dream...)

The government dropped its case against Zimmerman long ago.

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Re: lprm says "Permission denied" (fwd)

[Philippe Troin]

On Wed, 26 Feb 1997 15:13:58 +0100 Andreas Nowack ([EMAIL PROTECTED]
achen.de) wrote:

> lprm can't regonize that the user "spiegl" is a local user because of
> a problem with your hostname in /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts.
> 
> If /etc/hostname looks like
>   your_hostname
> 
> then your /etc/hosts file should contain a line like this
>  your_hostname   your_hostname.somewhere.com
> 
> The order of the two names in /etc/hosts is very important.

This is as simple as that !
This should be put ASAP in the lpd documentation.
But doesn't it conflict with the requirement that the official name for a 
machine (ie FQDN) should be put first in /etc/hosts ?

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segmentation faults & other goodies

[Corey Allert]

<
Hi all:

here is my problem, a machine at my school is running Debian 1.2 (upgraded
from 1.1) the current kernel is 2.0.6, libc is 5.4.20, the problem is any
attempts to send mail from pine results in a segmentation fault.  I've
noticed this since I've attempted to install Majordomo(ugh!)  ok I'm using
smail_3.2-3 and pine_3.95-l7. 
Also Xfree86 runs as if there were no window
manager installed where as on thursday (last time I was physically @ that
machine) all was ok, I've tried startx -exec fvwm2 and I get the fvwm2 to
come up but the default xterm has no shell running. 

 Strangely enuf none of the above occurs if run as root so it must be some
kind of permission problem but where. . . . please advise? PLEASE!!

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Re: Live filesystem on CDs

[Philippe Troin]

On Wed, 26 Feb 1997 00:25:22 CST John Goerzen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:

> Hmm, just an observation here.  (Not necessarily directed at you, Mike.)
> Are *all* packages that are compressed with gzip compressed with gzip -9?
> Including all .orig.tar.gz files, .diff.gz, etc.?  If not, this may be a
> way to save some space for now.

BTW, in my experience, gzipping with -9 produces generally slightly larger 
compressed files than with the standard -6. There is a warning about this in 
the manpage I think (ie higher compression level will not always result in 
smaller compressed files).

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Re: SB16 PnP

[Philippe Troin]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
> Yup. kernel versions 2.0.x can't do PNP. I haven't seen the 
> isapnptools but if you check a searchable LSM on the web you should 
> be able to find the latest version. I couldn't get this tool to work. 
> I have an Ensoniq SoundScape Vivo. I've been able to get around this 
> problem by using loadlin to first boot up Win95 and then start up 
> Linux from the dos prompt. 

There is a debian package for isapnptools in bo.

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Re: Extremely rare Apache configuration

[Nils Rennebarth]

On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Eloy A. Paris wrote:
>Another way of putting it would be: can one proxy server be configured to
>go through the another proxy server for certain addresses???
Use squid. It's a great work and can do this easily.


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Re: debian and ISDN?

[Al Youngwerth]

The easiest way to do this is with an external ISDN TA. There is somewhat
of a limitation in that the serial port is only 115.2Kb/sec and ISDN (MLPP)
is 128. However, I find that my PPP negotiates compression so I've seen
throughputs over 200Kb/sec. Check out the ISDN over PPP mini-HOWTO at your
favorite LDP (Linux Documentation Project) mirror.

I'm using a 3Com Impact IQ and it works pretty well. The only trick I found
was that you had to set register S71=1 (Async-Sync PPP conversion) to MLPP
working but that may be specific to my ISP.

If you want to do an internal ISDN card, the only one I know of is the
Spellcaster. It's in Beta however. We've had a hell of a time trying to
bring it up but it looks like most of our problems were due to a bad card.
The isdn4linux stuff is very sophisticated but all the best documentation
for it seems to be in German.

Just what I've learned...

Al Youngwerth
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> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: debian and ISDN?
> Date: Wednesday, February 26, 1997 4:18 AM
> 
>  Hi!
> 
> Can somebody give me a hint how to connect my debian-linux box via
> ISDN?!
> I know of some isdn4linux package, but the readme expects me to do a
> kernel patch.
> Isn't there a isdn kernel-module anywhere to do the job?
> 
> Alex.
> 
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Re: Extremely rare Apache configuration

[Jason Costomiris]

On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Eloy A. Paris wrote:

> What about this: set up Apache locally as a proxy server for my local users
> and, at the same time, to have Apache contacting the corporate proxy server
> to access Internet hosts. I know it sounds confusing and do not know if I
> am understood...

I don't believe that you can make the Apache proxy module do that.

I do, however, know that CERN running as a proxy can do this, in fact,
I've done it.  I had a client that was running a CERN proxy in their main
office, and wanted web access for their field office.  The field office
was connected by a demand-dial ISDN link (it was a Pipeline 75).  A local
CERN proxy at the field office forwards requests to the big corporate
proxy, and then keeps a local copy.  After a couple of days of the link
being up a lot, usage went way down.

If I were you, I'd look into Squid, and see if it can do the job, it's
*much* faster than a CERN...

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Re: SB16 PnP

[Jens B. Jorgensen]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> I have a sb16 PnP card installed in my micron pc.
> I've compiled sound support into the kernal, but
> I have had not had success.
> 
> I get the following results:
> $ cat /dev/sndstat
> cat: /dev/sndstat: No such device
> 
> I'm assuming the difficulties result from the card
> being PnP.  (reasonable? )   Is there a deb package
> of isapnptools? Where? I've grepped the listing of
> the ftp.debian.org mirror and can't find it.
> 
> Is there another way to deal with PnP cards?
> And should the audio devices belong by special groups?
> 
> jon
> 

Yup. kernel versions 2.0.x can't do PNP. I haven't seen
the isapnptools but if you check a searchable LSM on the
web you should be able to find the latest version. I couldn't
get this tool to work. I have an Ensoniq SoundScape Vivo.
I've been able to get around this problem by using loadlin
to first boot up Win95 and then start up Linux from the dos
prompt.

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Extremely rare Apache configuration

[Eloy A. Paris]

Hello everyone,

I have the following situation: my company has a HTTP proxy server to
access Internet WWW sites. All browsers are required to use this proxy
because we all are behind a firewall. 

I am overseas and connected to our corporate headquarters through a very
slow satellite link. I can not give my users unlimited access to the
Internet through the proxy because of the limited bandwidth, which is
needed for more important tasks.

There are certain hosts in the Internet my users need to access, but again,
to do this they HAVE to go through the proxy.

What about this: set up Apache locally as a proxy server for my local users
and, at the same time, to have Apache contacting the corporate proxy server
to access Internet hosts. I know it sounds confusing and do not know if I
am understood...

Another way of putting it would be: can one proxy server be configured to
go through the another proxy server for certain addresses???

Any help will be very very appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Eloy.-


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Re: IMPORTANT: RSA Data Security Challenge participants please read

[Jens B. Jorgensen]

Karl Ferguson wrote:
> 
> At 07:03 PM 25/02/97 PST, Bruce Perens wrote:
> >It was OK for us to participate as "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" in the RSA Data
> >Security Challenge as long as we didn't have any chance of beating
> >the "Linux" group. It looks as if we do have a chance. It would be real
> >embarassing to beat them. So please, if you are participating, change your
> >reporting address to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" NOW. I have asked the
> >statistics-keepers to add the figure for [EMAIL PROTECTED] to that for
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] .
> 
> Why is it such a bad thing to beat the Linux group?  The whole idea is to
> increase the awareness of Debian Linux - when people see we're in the
> number 2 slot or even number 1, we'll have good publicity.
> 
> I cannot see anything wrong with running under Debian - from a business
> point of view, if people don't hear of us and our popularity then we won't
> be open to such things and donations of powerful workstations and ports
> etc.  This is a *bad* idea IMO.

Yeah. If the folks at gzero.net will add the numbers from
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
to [EMAIL PROTECTED] then why would we want to change?! I think that is
all the more reason *not* to change because we can help the greater
cause
while at the same time getting airplay for Debian? 

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Re: Netscape 4.0b2 out, any success?

[Nils Rennebarth]

On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, David Puryear wrote:
>Where can I find old version of Xpm? I looked and  can't find it.
Sorry, I forgot. sunsite probably.

Nils

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Re: cygnus win32 cross-compiler

[Gerhard Wesp]

 A propos, has somebody successfully compiled any networking code with
win32gcc? I tried it using mywinsock.h, but the compiler choked on
parse errors in this file. Should I use the include files provided
by win32gcc or should I use those from Micro$oft, e.g. from their
Visual (or was that Virtual) C compiler?

-Gerhard

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
John Goerzen  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hmm, worked for me.  I think I found the DLL sitting around in
>/usr/lib/win32 or something.  (Poke in the /var/lib/dpkg/info/win32*list
>files to find it.)
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Re: [OFFTOPIC] rc5-race is running!

[Jens B. Jorgensen]

Ioannis Tambouras wrote:
> 
>  After analyzing the data, I conclude that we theoretically  have
> a chance to beat linuxnet.
> 
>  Our speed has droped 25% compared with yesterday. Linuxnet is running
> at four times our present speed. Today I received about six personals
> from debian users asking about the ftp site, or with other rc5-race questions.
> I think we do have a decent chance, once we get to position #2 (in about
> ten days) then we can take another look at our strength.
> 
>  Is the rc5-race package out yet? Four people have requested it since
> yesterday! It is already a popular item, and ideally (and if it is possible)
> it should come with a crontab job to upload the result and get a new keyspace.
> I tell you, we could *easily* compete with linuxnet in two weeks.
> 
> Ioannis Tambouras
> [EMAIL PROTECTED], West Palm Beach, Florida
> Signed pgp-key on key server.
> 

I started up the client on 4 machines (soon to be five) today. One
P100, one HP 715/64, and two P75's. I'll start my P133 machine I'm
writing from to run overnight. Hey Bruce, I don't suppose you've
got any SGIs over at Pixar that could spare a few cycles, huh?

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Re: lprm says "Permission denied" (fwd)

[Andreas Nowack]

On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:

> >
> >Hi!
> >
> >something must be wrong with my lpd-setup.  When a user starts
> >a print job, s/he can't cancel it anymore.  Example: (user 'spiegl')
> >
> > $ lpr abc.txt
> > $ lpq
> > lp is ready and printing
> > Rank   Owner  Job  Files Total Size
> > active spiegl 27   abc.txt   47978 bytes
> > $ lprm 27
> > cfA027Aa00860: Permission denied
> > cfA027Aa00860: Permission denied
> >
> > $ ls -laF
> > total 54
> > drwxrwsr-x   2 root lp   1024 Feb 24 01:39 ./
> > drwxrwsr-x   4 root lp   1024 Feb 23 23:12 ../
> > -rw-rx   1 root lp  4 Feb 24 01:39 .seq*
> > -rw-rw   1 daemon   lp 86 Feb 24 01:39 cfA029Aa00872
> > -rw-rw   1 spiegl   lp  47978 Feb 24 01:39 dfA029Aa00872
> > -rw-r--r--   1 root lp 18 Feb 24 01:39 lock
> > -rw-rw-r--   1 root lp 25 Feb 24 01:39 status
> >
> > $ ls -lAF `which lpd` `which lprm`
> > -rwsr-sr-x   1 root lp  13157 Nov 24 21:04 /usr/bin/lprm*
> > -rwxr-xr-x   1 root root41417 Nov 24 21:04 /usr/sbin/lpd*
> >
> >Is there anything wrong with the permissions?  I didn't change
> >anything after installing Debian 1.2 and updating to Debian 1.4.
> 
> I have the same problem using the lpr pakage in the rex-fixed.
> 
I had the same problem, too.  

lprm can't regonize that the user "spiegl" is a local user because of
a problem with your hostname in /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts.

If /etc/hostname looks like
your_hostname

then your /etc/hosts file should contain a line like this
   your_hostname   your_hostname.somewhere.com

The order of the two names in /etc/hosts is very important.


Andreas

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Re: Netscape 4.0b2 out, any success?

[David Puryear]

Hi,

On 25-Feb-97 Nils Rennebarth wrote:
>On Mon, 24 Feb 1997, David Puryear wrote:
>>If anyone finds way to make java work without causing bus error, please let me
>>know.
>Did you try out using old version of the pixmap library?
>
>I have libXpm.so.4.6 in /usr/lib/netscape/lib, and a symbolic link
>libXpm.so.4 pointing to it. Then I start netscape with
>
>  LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/netscape/lib/libXpm.so.4 MALLOC_CHECK_=0 \
>  exec /usr/lib/netscape/netscape "$@"
>
>It only crashed once since.
>
>Nils

Where can I find old version of Xpm? I looked and  can't find it.

Thanks,
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Re: [OFFTOPIC] rc5-race FAQ

[Juri P Pakaste]

Ioannis Tambouras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> RC5 clients are at ftp://portal.stwing.upenn.edu/pub/rc5 (US
> only)
>
> There are non-us sites with clients at (?? please let me know)

At least ftp://ftp.tecnet.de/pub/rc5/>.

> 4.   WHAT HAPPENS TO THE $10,000 PRIZE ?
> 
> 
>  It is not clear who will declared the winner. Maybe it is top email
>  address, or maybe the address that finds the key. Do not know.
> 
>  Debian has no official announcement on what will do with the
>  prize. They should. Most likely, part or the whole prize will get
>  donated somewhere.  (where?)

Oh well, I guess just asking them wouldn't be such a bad idea. I'll
send email to them and tell the answer to this list, if no-one doesn't
do it first.

> 4.  WHAT ARE THE CLIENT COMMANDS ?
> -- 
> 
> To get a keyspace, use something command like this:
> 
> % nohup  rc5-client-linux-i586   -i  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
>   The -i option is needed to register the run to debian.org

The new version of the client uses different options, I think.

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Re: Procmail recipe.

[Heikki Vatiainen]

There's already been a couple of examples here on the list but I thought I'll 
mail my version too. Here it goes:

:0 : $MAILDIR/debian-user.lock
* ^X-Mailing-List: .*debian-user.*
| $RCVSTORE +$HOME/Mail/IN.debian

I use mh and exmh to read my mail so that's why the first and third line look 
like that. What I'm trying to say is that filtering by the X-Mailing-List: has 
been successful and many other mailing lists have this header too.

Here's the version that should work for you:
:0:
* ^X-Mailing-List: .*debian-user.*
$HOME/Mail/deb

Brian Skreeg wrote:
>   Hi folks, Could someone do me a wee favour and write out a simple
> procmail recipe for filtering this mailing list to another folder? 
> (~Mail/deb)
> 
>   Been playing around for ages and can't seem to get it to filter on the
> To: header.

// Heikki
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debian and ISDN?

[Alexander Lazarevic]

 Hi!

Can somebody give me a hint how to connect my debian-linux box via
ISDN?!
I know of some isdn4linux package, but the readme expects me to do a
kernel patch.
Isn't there a isdn kernel-module anywhere to do the job?

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Re: lprm says "Permission denied" (fwd)

[Andrea Arcangeli]

>
>Hi!
>
>something must be wrong with my lpd-setup.  When a user starts
>a print job, s/he can't cancel it anymore.  Example: (user 'spiegl')
>
> $ lpr abc.txt
> $ lpq
> lp is ready and printing
> Rank   Owner  Job  Files Total Size
> active spiegl 27   abc.txt   47978 bytes
> $ lprm 27
> cfA027Aa00860: Permission denied
> cfA027Aa00860: Permission denied
>
> $ ls -laF
> total 54
> drwxrwsr-x   2 root lp   1024 Feb 24 01:39 ./
> drwxrwsr-x   4 root lp   1024 Feb 23 23:12 ../
> -rw-rx   1 root lp  4 Feb 24 01:39 .seq*
> -rw-rw   1 daemon   lp 86 Feb 24 01:39 cfA029Aa00872
> -rw-rw   1 spiegl   lp  47978 Feb 24 01:39 dfA029Aa00872
> -rw-r--r--   1 root lp 18 Feb 24 01:39 lock
> -rw-rw-r--   1 root lp 25 Feb 24 01:39 status
>
> $ ls -lAF `which lpd` `which lprm`
> -rwsr-sr-x   1 root lp  13157 Nov 24 21:04 /usr/bin/lprm*
> -rwxr-xr-x   1 root root41417 Nov 24 21:04 /usr/sbin/lpd*
>
>Is there anything wrong with the permissions?  I didn't change
>anything after installing Debian 1.2 and updating to Debian 1.4.

I have the same problem using the lpr pakage in the rex-fixed.

Now I have installed the

ii  lprng   2.4.2-1lpr/lpd printer spooling system

that replaces the lpr pakage and all work fine :).

>
>Thanks a lot in advance,
> Andy.

Bye

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Re: Live filesystem on CDs

[John Goerzen]

On Wed, 12 Feb 1997, Mike Neuffer wrote:

> > Personally, I would go for seperate i386 and m68k CD's, both with source.
> 
> It doesn't fit (i386 + source) on one CD. However we had a number
> of orders for 68k CDs and i386+68k binaries fit on one CD at the moment.

Hmm, just an observation here.  (Not necessarily directed at you, Mike.)
Are *all* packages that are compressed with gzip compressed with gzip -9?
Including all .orig.tar.gz files, .diff.gz, etc.?  If not, this may be a
way to save some space for now.

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Re: cygnus win32 cross-compiler

[John Goerzen]

Hmm, worked for me.  I think I found the DLL sitting around in
/usr/lib/win32 or something.  (Poke in the /var/lib/dpkg/info/win32*list
files to find it.)

On Sun, 9 Feb 1997, Douglas L Stewart wrote:

> I'm trying to get a hello world program running on a Win95 box.  I have
> the following packages:
> 
> bash$ dpkg -l | grep win32
> ii  win32binutils   2.6.cygnus.960 Compilation Utilities for the Win32 
> Cross-Co
> ii  win32gcc2.7.2.cygnus.9 GCC Configured as Win32 Cross-Compiler
> ii  win32libs   0.0.14-1   Win32 Cross-Compiler Libraries
> 
> Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be any documentation that comes with
> these packages.  I tried compiling a test program.
> 
> #include 
> 
> void main()
> {
> printf("Hello World!\n");
> }
> 
> I compiled it like this:
> 
> i386-unknown-cygwin32-gcc hello.c -o hello.exe
> 
> I tried running it on the Win95 machine and it said it needed CYGWIN.DLL.
> I searched around on the net and found a copy of it, but it said the
> program needed to be relinked.  
> 
> Am I compiling this correctly?  Where should I get the correct version of
> the CYGWIN.DLL?
> 
> Douglas L Stewart
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Re: Rescue kernel hangs after probing sjcd

[Lorens Kockum]

Jim Smith very kindly remarked
> At 14:54 2/25/97 +0100, you wrote:
> >
> >I have a Slackware distribution running, and a RedHat distribution running.
> >The RedHat and the Debian come from the December 96 Infomagic 6-CD set.
> >I have an sbpcd=0x300,LaserMate cd-rom.
> >
> I had to give the argument: "sbpcd=0x340" at the boot prompt in order to
> have Debian recognise my cdrom at all.

Yo, and mine is sbpcd=0x300,LaserMate. When I don't tell RedHat that, it
takes 5 minutes to auto-detect it there. 

My probleme here is that the kernel hangs, apparently _before_ coming to the
sbpcd testing. The last line is "MD DRIVER [...]". This is after the sjcd
driver.

I finally found the mailing-list archives, and somebody said that the rescue
disk was an MS-DOS thing, and that he managed to replace the
"anything-and-everything kernel" by a custom kernel. That's what I'll be
doing this evening (+12h from the writing of this message at 0900 MET).
I'm a mite worried about managing to get it at the starting block as the old
kernel (I imagine it has to be the same 'cause I don't suppose the
bootloader searches the Mess-DOG directory), but I think I can manage that.

That way I'll be sure I have the 2940UW support in the kernel, too.

It would be much nicer to have different boot disks for sensitive
configurations, and it would be much nicer to have everything loaded by
modules (as I said, RedHat booted out of the box with sbpcd=0x300,LaserMate
apparently without throwing the slightest poke anywhere else).

> When it boots it goes thru some
> other cdroms then comes up with "LaserMate CDROM at 0x340" E.
> Moenkenburg..."

And what does it say just before? The MD driver thing? I checked the 2.1.18
docs, and there is no mention of any MD cd-rom, so out went that option. Who
wrote it? Where does it probe / what do I have to protect ?

> Isn't all this fun?

Everything is fun when you can see

bash# id
uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups= ...

I can't (under Debian, at least). Don't make me go back to RedHat, or to my
October '94 Slackware, please !

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/dev/cua2 - modem problems! help!

[Jim Fetters]

Hi.  i'm new to debian.  i recently installed debian 1.2 from
the InfoMagic CD set.

problem:  modem on /dev/cua2 is slow.  when you type, it takes
5-7 seconds to get an echo back from the AT commands on modem.

symptoms: modem works fine when i boot into windows 95, also
modem worked great under Slackware 2.0 (my previous install).

i've checked /etc/rc.boot/0setserial, it looks good.  its set
up for 0x3e8 and irq 4.  these are correct (confirmed by windows 95).
i've read the serial HOWTO, i checked /sbin/setserial -a /dev/cua2
-- all looks good. i've tried using different baud rates: 1200-38400;
it has no effect on the situation.

dip doesn't work anymore, i can ATDT to my local internet provider, but
it connects and there is a strange delay, and it only seems to want to
return small chunks of words (12 chars or less), most of the data is
missing.  once again, everything works fine under win95, and when i had
slackware up and running i never ever had a problem with the modem.
(USR Sportster 28800)

any advice?

-jim



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Re: xemacs is ignoring my tab key

[James LewisMoss]

> "Harmon" == Harmon Sequoya Nine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

 Harmon> Just ran xemacs and was using it to edit a C++ program.
 Harmon> Unfortunately, when I try to indent using my "tab" key,
 Harmon> xemacs totally ignores it.  I've looked through "Learning GNU
 Harmon> emacs" but to no avail.

 Harmon> Also, I tried to change the tab settings using the ESC-x
 Harmon> edit-tab-stops so that my tabs are every 4 characters, but
 Harmon> after doing so, the tabs that are already in my C++ source
 Harmon> remain at every 8 characters.

 Harmon> Any info you can give me on this will be greatly appreciated.

Try this little bit of code:
(setq-default tab-width 4)
;; this stops insertion of tabs completely so only uncomment if you
;; like that (which many people don't, but I do :)
;; (setq-default indent-tabs-mode nil)
(progn 
  (setq count 120)
  (setq tab-stops '())
  (while (> count 0)
(setq tab-stops (cons count tab-stops))
(setq count (- count 4

As to  not indenting do C-h k  and see if it says something
like 'indent-line'.  If not your keymap is messed up for one reason or
another.

Try this:
(setq-default c-tab-always-indent t)

Another thing to look for when you are having problems like this is to
do C-h a .  This will give a listing of all functions and
variables that contain .  Helps me greatly when something is
working the way I expect.

Jim

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Re: The Future of Debian's TeX system: tetex

[Andreas Tille]

On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Christian Schwarz wrote:
> The new tetex packages will be included in Debian 1.3. There are now part
> of the unstable distribution and will replace the old packages in about a
> week. If you want to help you could download these new packages and test
> them.
In my opinion that's quite a good decision. I think it's a good idea to
have something like a standard TeX distribution.

It the hint on Debian 1.3 something like a "preannounce" of an upcomming
new release in the next weeks?

Greetings

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xmodmap does not seem to work. More info!!

[hunnia]

I found out that the problem is not really with th xmodmap.

Not using the special .Xmodmap file in the Red Hat, but pressing
the Scroll Lock key, the Sroll Lock LED does not come on.
This seem to indicate that the entries:

# LeftAlt  Meta
   RightAlt ModeShift
#  RightCtl Compose
   ScrollLock  ModeLock

in XF86Config work properly, and the ScrollLock is used as a ModLock.

In Debian the ScrollLock LED is Activated by the SrollLock key.
Both the Xserver and the XF86Config files were copied from the
Debian to the Red Hat, so they are identical.

I renamed all the XF86Config files in debian except for the one
in /etc to XF86Config.bak to make sure that there is onli one 
XF86Confi file.
 It did not seem to help.
I am confused.


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xemacs is ignoring my tab key

[Harmon Sequoya Nine]

Just ran xemacs and was using it to edit a C++ program.  Unfortunately,
when I try to indent using my "tab" key, xemacs totally ignores it.  I've
looked through "Learning GNU emacs" but to no avail.

Also, I tried to change the tab settings using the ESC-x edit-tab-stops
so that my tabs are every 4 characters, but after doing so, the tabs
that are already in my C++ source remain at every 8 characters.

Any info you can give me on this will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks much :-)

-- Harmon


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Re: IMPORTANT: RSA Data Security Challenge participants please read

[Branden Robinson]

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Do you win by exploring a larger fraction
> > of the keyspace than anyone else, or by finding the key?
> 
> By finding the key. We were approaching a 1 in 10 probability of
> finding the key. If we won against the Linux group, it would have
> created the perception that Debian would work against Linux if it
> profited Debian. That's not a good perception to have. I have already
> sent my apologies to the Linux team for the entire project.

I still don't understand your reasoning here.  This is not a zero-sum game.
*Everyone* particpating in the RC5 contest is, whether they know it or not,
not trying to "beat" other participants, but send a message to U.S.
legislators regarding cryptography.  Today, RC5.  Tomorrow, DES.  Next
week, Phil Zimmerman's a free man.  (Oh well, we can dream...)

I think it would score a lot of PR points for Debian to place, or win.
Debian is a Linux distribution.  Our win is Linux's win.  Our win is the
FSF's win.  Our win is even, to some degree, RedHat's and Slackware's win,
because they serve a similar market with a similar product.  Microsoft
droids don't appear to be participating: I didn't see any pre-compiled
clients for Windows NT.

Please reconsider, Bruce.  If you have a firm conviction that we're going
to irreversibly hack off Linus or RMS by winning, and cause trouble for
the Debian project in the future, then fine, I agree with your position.
I'd like to hear why, though.  I submit that anyone who thinks that
Debian is attempting to slight the rest of the Linux/GNU community by this
effort is just not seeing things clearly.  No distribution does better than
ours in giving credit where credit is due.

This is ultimately a cooperative contest, not a competitive one.

Thanks for listening.

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Re: Package configuration philosophy

[Ioannis Tambouras]

> Debian should provide a nicer default for the prompt. Many people
> take this things into account when deciding which distribution they
> like best.


The flag of Texas should be a good prompt. DOS can do that, you know! 
Sorry, it's been a long day.









This .sig is multi-threaded.
==
plato ~ fuser -km ~ioannis/rc5-client-linux-i586
/home/ioannis/rc5-client-linux-i586:   568c   568e   569c   569e   570c   570e
 571c   571e   573c   573e   574c   574e   683c   683e   684c   684e   685c   
685e   688c   688e   689c   689e   690c   690e  1107c  1107e  1108c  1108e  
c
 e  1112c  1112e  1113c  1113e  1114c  1114e  1494c  1494e  1834c


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Re: [OFFTOPIC] rc5-race is running!

[Branden Robinson]

>  After analyzing the data, I conclude that we theoretically  have 
> a chance to beat linuxnet. 
> 
>  Our speed has droped 25% compared with yesterday. Linuxnet is running
> at four times our present speed. Today I received about six personals
> from debian users asking about the ftp site, or with other rc5-race 
> questions.  
> I think we do have a decent chance, once we get to position #2 (in about 
> ten days) then we can take another look at our strength.
> 
>  Is the rc5-race package out yet? Four people have requested it since
> yesterday! It is already a popular item, and ideally (and if it is possible)
> it should come with a crontab job to upload the result and get a new keyspace.
> I tell you, we could *easily* compete with linuxnet in two weeks.

Just FYI, I just sic'ed an UltraSparc 2 running Solaris (as [EMAIL PROTECTED])
on this.

Here's the output of -m:

rc5-56-client: Performance testing with 100 crypts
rc5-56-client: Complete in 6.819 seconds. (146650.34 keys/sec)

I hope this helps somewhat...but could you explain the "-socks5" part to
me?

I'm also going to try to get about 2 dozen ancient old Sparc IPC's and
Sparc 1's on the job.  They don't do much these days anyway.

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Re: IP Masquerading?

[Rob Browning]

Joe Piche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> How does one get a system set up for this? I can't find much info on the
> subject. (Yes, the kernel is compiled with that function).

Install the doc-linux package and check out
/usr/doc/HOWTO/mini/IP-Masquerade.gz

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Re: Debian 1.2 -> 1.2.4: whence libpthreads?

[Rob Browning]

Michael Diers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Whatever happended to the Pthreads libs that used to be part of
> libc5?

There are now libpthreads and libpthreads-dev packages containing all
the LinuxThreads headers/libraries.

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Re: IMPORTANT: RSA Data Security Challenge participants please read

[Bruce Perens]

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Do you win by exploring a larger fraction
> of the keyspace than anyone else, or by finding the key?

By finding the key. We were approaching a 1 in 10 probability of
finding the key. If we won against the Linux group, it would have
created the perception that Debian would work against Linux if it
profited Debian. That's not a good perception to have. I have already
sent my apologies to the Linux team for the entire project.

Thanks

Bruce
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Re: IMPORTANT: RSA Data Security Challenge participants please read

[Bruce Perens]

From: Karl Ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Why is it such a bad thing to beat the Linux group?  The whole idea is to
> increase the awareness of Debian Linux - when people see we're in the
> number 2 slot or even number 1, we'll have good publicity.

I'd prefer to avoid the perception that we would work _against_ Linux if
it would profit Debian.

Bruce
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Re: pine produces segmentation faults (fwd)

[Corey Allert]

also Xfree86 doesn't run properly  .. . it will as root but as any other
user X starts as if no window manager is set . .  and typing startx -exec
fvwm2 will bring up the correct gui but there is no command prompt in the
xterm . . . freaky eh??

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On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, * ESGER * wrote:

> On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Corey Allert wrote:
> 
> > sorry about this . . .  but I feel it is relatively important
> > I can send mail in pine as root . .  so it must be a permission problem
> > right but where
> > 
> 
> I had a similar problem with pine on the departemental machine, our 
> general login for the lab gave segmentation fault and a core dump, my 
> personal login was ok.
> 
> Reason was that someone accidently dumped a proteine sequence in the 
> config file of pine and pine chocked on that.
> 
> Perhaps something is wrong with the config file .pinerc, the hint I got 
> was it's date, that was too recent to be a coincidence
> 
> 
> 
> ciao,
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Netscape Com.... Pre 2

[Robert Nicholson]

Anybody know if where' suppose to use the Debian wrapper with the
Netscape Communicator release?



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Re: IMPORTANT: RSA Data Security Challenge participants please read

[Karl Ferguson]

At 07:03 PM 25/02/97 PST, Bruce Perens wrote:
>It was OK for us to participate as "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" in the RSA Data
>Security Challenge as long as we didn't have any chance of beating
>the "Linux" group. It looks as if we do have a chance. It would be real
>embarassing to beat them. So please, if you are participating, change your
>reporting address to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" NOW. I have asked the
>statistics-keepers to add the figure for [EMAIL PROTECTED] to that for
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] .

Why is it such a bad thing to beat the Linux group?  The whole idea is to
increase the awareness of Debian Linux - when people see we're in the
number 2 slot or even number 1, we'll have good publicity.

I cannot see anything wrong with running under Debian - from a business
point of view, if people don't hear of us and our popularity then we won't
be open to such things and donations of powerful workstations and ports
etc.  This is a *bad* idea IMO.



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Re: IMPORTANT: RSA Data Security Challenge participants please read

[jghasler]

How is this thing being scored?  Do you win by exploring a larger fraction
of the keyspace than anyone else, or by finding the key?  While the
probability of any given group finding the key is proportional to the
fraction of the keyspace explored by that group, it could be found by
anybody.  The odds only favor the leaders if they explore more of the
keyspace than all the others put together.
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Re: what unix?

[Jaldhar H. Vyas]

On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Seth Reinosa wrote:

> Lets say I was messing around with a windoze machine and I found this
> thing called unix.
> If I were to run it how would I find out what version it is?
> is it linux bsd etc?
> 

uname is the command you want.  Look at the man page for all its options.

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what unix?

[Seth Reinosa]

Lets say I was messing around with a windoze machine and I found this
thing called unix.
If I were to run it how would I find out what version it is?
is it linux bsd etc?



<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Thanx
and may God Bless you
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Re: Package configuration philosophy

[Nicolás Lichtmaier]

On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Pete Templin wrote:

> >  He's right Debian should provide a nicer default for the prompt. Many
> > people take this things into account when deciding which distribution they
> > like best.
> If someone is going to evaluate an entire distribution on a prompt (even
> if there are other factors), I'm not going to be upset if they don't
> choose Debian. 

 I'm no talking about just the prompt. We're talking about good and
comfortable defaults, default settings should be like suggestions of how
things can be done.
 Good defaults is very important in a distribution, IMHO.

> Perhaps we could/should point people towards how to change
> it, but I see NO reason to depart from the standard.


 Standard? What standard? Is this...

# _

 POSIX?  =)

> which produces the following two line prompt, always ready at position 6:
>   --> Tue 21:17 on templinux : pwd is ~/files/personal
> tcsh> 

 Too custom... =)

 The default prompt should only display the cwd, the host, and perhaps de
user...

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IMPORTANT: RSA Data Security Challenge participants please read

[Bruce Perens]

It was OK for us to participate as "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" in the RSA Data
Security Challenge as long as we didn't have any chance of beating
the "Linux" group. It looks as if we do have a chance. It would be real
embarassing to beat them. So please, if you are participating, change your
reporting address to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" NOW. I have asked the
statistics-keepers to add the figure for [EMAIL PROTECTED] to that for
[EMAIL PROTECTED] .

Thanks

Bruce Perens
President
Software in the Public Interest (Debian's corporation)
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Re: [OFFTOPIC] rc5-race is running!

[Adam Shand]

> Is the rc5-race package out yet? Four people have requested it since
>yesterday! It is already a popular item, and ideally (and if it is possible)
>it should come with a crontab job to upload the result and get a new
keyspace.
>I tell you, we could *easily* compete with linuxnet in two weeks.

If someone brings out a package I have several servers I will donate to the
cause.  Off peak times of course but they are all permenantly connected.

:)

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Re: Package configuration philosophy

[Pete Templin]

On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, [iso-8859-1] Nicolás Lichtmaier wrote:

> On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Craig Sanders wrote:
> > # and $ are standard/expected prompts. if you want something different,
> > customise it yourself. 
>  He's right Debian should provide a nicer default for the prompt. Many
> people take this things into account when deciding which distribution they
> like best.

If someone is going to evaluate an entire distribution on a prompt (even
if there are other factors), I'm not going to be upset if they don't
choose Debian.  Perhaps we could/should point people towards how to change
it, but I see NO reason to depart from the standard.  If we did decide to
provide a fancy prompt, I'd bet the ensuing chatter about what it should
be would create more traffic than the regular noise about dselect's
supposedly impossible interface.  


> > I like my own prompt of `PS1=(\h-\u) [\t] \w\$ ` (looks like:
> > "(siva-cas) [12:14:32] ~$ ") but I wouldnt force everyone else to use
> > it...it takes me 5 seconds on every new debian machine i build to edit
> > ~/.bashrc as needed.
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/doc/fvwm2$ _
> newton:/usr/doc/fvwm2$ _

But, for those of you looking for custom prompts, here's mine (I use tcsh,
mileage using bash fuel may vary):

set prompt = "  --> %d %T on %m : pwd is %~ \
tcsh%# "

which produces the following two line prompt, always ready at position 6:

  --> Tue 21:17 on templinux : pwd is ~/files/personal
tcsh> 



  --Pete
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Re: Package configuration philosophy

[Guy Maor]

Nicolás Lichtmaier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Debian should provide a nicer default for the prompt. Many people
> take this things into account when deciding which distribution they
> like best.

My mind is reeling.


Guy


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Re: Package configuration philosophy

[Nicolás Lichtmaier]

On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Craig Sanders wrote:

> > Debian comes up in a much "rawer" form after install - for instance,
> > no prompt beyond the basic "#" for root and "$" for the user (RedHat
> > gives you the now famous "username /home/username$" prompt).
> # and $ are standard/expected prompts. if you want something different,
> customise it yourself. 
> I like my own prompt of `PS1=(\h-\u) [\t] \w\$ ` (looks like:
> "(siva-cas) [12:14:32] ~$ ") but I wouldnt force everyone else to use
> it...it takes me 5 seconds on every new debian machine i build to edit
> ~/.bashrc as needed.

 =/

 He's right Debian should provide a nicer default for the prompt. Many
people take this things into account when deciding which distribution they
like best.
 I think we should provide a standard prompt like:

PS1="[EMAIL PROTECTED]:\\w\\$ "

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/doc/fvwm2$ _

Or the simpler...

newton:/usr/doc/fvwm2$ _

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Re: libvga?

[Larry 'Daffy' Daffner]

"jl" == jlillibr  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

  jl> I've been trying to run several svga games and keep getting this
  jl> error: 

  jl> I have svgalib1 version 1.210-3 installed.

For doom, you need to have aout-svgalib, since doom is an a.out
binary. You may also have to add /usr/lib/i486-linuxaout to
/etc/ld.so.conf, but I think libc4 does that itself.

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Re: Package configuration philosophy

[Craig Sanders]

On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Yoav Cohen-Sivan wrote:

> It seems that Debian is taking a rather different philosophy on
> pre-configured packages than other distributions, such as RedHat. What
> I mean is that after installation of RedHat you have a more or less
> pre-tailored system setup. You can start tweaking your heart out but
> the basics are already there. 

> Debian comes up in a much "rawer" form after install - for instance,
> no prompt beyond the basic "#" for root and "$" for the user (RedHat
> gives you the now famous "username /home/username$" prompt).

# and $ are standard/expected prompts. if you want something different,
customise it yourself. 

I like my own prompt of `PS1=(\h-\u) [\t] \w\$ ` (looks like:
"(siva-cas) [12:14:32] ~$ ") but I wouldnt force everyone else to use
it...it takes me 5 seconds on every new debian machine i build to edit
~/.bashrc as needed.

> X is pretty bare in Debian after install, too - if you just "startx"
> you get a simple xterm with no default menus, no menued way of running
> another xterm, heck not even a FvwmModule running on screen with xload
> and xclock in it.

what are you talking about?

debian has a 'menu' package which all other packages can use to register
themselves with - menus for fvwm, fvwm95 and other are auto-generated
from this information. It was written in such a way that it is easy to
add support for a new window manager or text-mode menu program whenever
needed. 

Not all packages are using menu yet, but most are.  

It's also fairly easy to use it to make custom menus - e.g. if you want
an xterms menu which contains several "xterm -T  -e rlogin
" menu entries then you can have it quite easily - either as
part of the standard system menu which everyone gets or as your custom
menu which only your login gets.


last i saw them, redhat's menus were all hard-coded.  they DON'T get
automatically updated whenever a new package is installed.  Debian's menus
DO get automatically updated.

so, install the menu package and look in /usr/doc/menu

>  These are just a few examples. 

...of not bothering to find out what debian can do.

it seems to me that your complaints have less to do with omissions in
debian than with lack of understanding/knowledge on your part. What you
want (and more!) is already in debian.

Craig


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Re: RSA Datasecurity Challenge

[Hamish Moffatt]

> 
> Check out http://zero.genz.net/ for info
> Check out ftp://ftp.genz.net:/pub/rc5 for the client  
>   The client will be something like rc5-client-linux-{aout, i586, i486}
> etc..
> 
> Once you have the client run this:
>  nohup ./rc5-client-linux-"whatever" -i [EMAIL PROTECTED] &
> 
> I know there are at least 6 machines running for [EMAIL PROTECTED],
> and Redhat has 37... lets outnumber 'em! :)

I guess that should be genx.net. ftp.genx.net refuses my connection
because I'm outside the USA. Anywhere outside the USA I can get the
client? I got the source from the upenn address, but it doesn't
have a -i option, so I guess it's not what I want.


With all this cryptography software I've got here (pgp in particular),
I think I might be just about ready to nuke the USA. Sheesh.


Hamish
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new Debian setup - whats needed?

[dr. banzai]

I have just set up a new Debian system. I am relatively
new to the Linux world. What are some good programs to get 
(for X mostly)? Also is there any pressing configuration
that should be done before I proceed with anything else?

thanks,

-Paul H.


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Re: [OFFTOPIC] rc5-race FAQ

[Hamish Moffatt]

Ioannis Tambouras writes:
> 
> 2.  useful URLS  
> 
> 
> More info about the contest is at   http://zero.genx.net/ 
> 
> Email statistics are at http://zero.genx.net/bill/email.html
> 
> RC5 clients are at ftp://portal.stwing.upenn.edu/pub/rc5  (US only)

Couldn't find a linux client in that directory.
It seemed to compile okay from the source though, with
"make i486-gcc"


Hamish
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Re: [OFFTOPIC] rc5-race is running!

[Ioannis Tambouras]

 After analyzing the data, I conclude that we theoretically  have 
a chance to beat linuxnet. 

 Our speed has droped 25% compared with yesterday. Linuxnet is running
at four times our present speed. Today I received about six personals
from debian users asking about the ftp site, or with other rc5-race questions.  
I think we do have a decent chance, once we get to position #2 (in about 
ten days) then we can take another look at our strength.

 Is the rc5-race package out yet? Four people have requested it since
yesterday! It is already a popular item, and ideally (and if it is possible)
it should come with a crontab job to upload the result and get a new keyspace.
I tell you, we could *easily* compete with linuxnet in two weeks.



Ioannis Tambouras 
[EMAIL PROTECTED], West Palm Beach, Florida
Signed pgp-key on key server. 

On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Karl Ferguson wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> You may all be pleased to know the following stats at 12:25am +0800 WST
> 
>1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 112709 115.41 72.82
>2 #root 36550 163.60 16.66
>3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12229 95.72 9.53
>4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11350 133.86 6.32
>5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10394 78.17 9.91
> 
> With a 9.91 average, we're going to be able to get to number 3 easily -
> however, I'm not sure if we'll be able to get any further!  In any case, if
> you would like to get started at cracking please do so.
> 
> Regards
> 
> 
> --
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IP Masquerading?

[Joe Piche]

How does one get a system set up for this? I can't find much info on the
subject. (Yes, the kernel is compiled with that function).

Thank you


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