Re: 3COM 3C905-TX PCI NIC
I installed using May 30 diskette set (Debian 1.3.0, Kernel 2.0.29). From there, I chose the 3c59x module (I got this information from the above URL - like Dave mentioned, this should definitely be identified in modconf). I tried setting various options for this driver (as per the above web page) and, while the driver happily accepted them, loaded, and reported the options as active, I couldn't communicate on the network. I finally went with the default options=7 and now everything is working great! Where did you put this? LILO? You mention in your other post that you didn't use the DOS config. What you said above is what happens if you don't lock the card at one speed. It looks like this options thing is a way around it. (Maybe the right way. The locking it from DOS I saw mentioned many months and revisions of the driver ago) The module gets loaded in /etc/modules and options are specified in /etc/conf.modules. (I can't give you the exact line right now because I'm at home and system's at work.) The only funny thing is that `ifconfig` reports eth0 as being 10Mbps Ethernet; however, it *is* operating at 100Mbps. Hmmm I think it's broken. If I remember right it reported some DEC FDDI boards I worked with as 10Mbps also. FDDI ain't nowhere near 10Mbps ; I'd assumed the same. I guess ifconfig or something needs to add support for 100Mbps. (I don't know, but I'd assume it supports various ArcNet, TokenRing speeds, but not Ethernet, ATM, FDDI, etc. yet.) On that point, I didn't know Linux supported FDDI (or ATM?) Later, Kevin Traas Systems Analyst Baan Business Systems -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: mc problem
Well, I've discovered (accidentally) what crashes and burns on my system. Any .deb file which has been on a vfat filesystem will not open with mc. If I download a file to a vfat system, I can't open it. If I copy it from an ext2fs filesystem to a vfat system, I can't open it. If I copy the same file back to the ext2fs system, it won't open there, either. -- Michael D. Harnois, Redeemer Lutheran Church, Washburn, IA [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Few sinners are saved after the first 20 minutes of a sermon. --Mark Twain -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: mc problem
On 5 Jul 1997, Michael Harnois wrote: On Sat, 5 Jul 1997 17:28:21 -0400 (EDT), Dale Scheetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: This looks like dpkg problems. Try downgrading to 1.4.0.8 (the 1.3 release version) and see if that fixes it. I really thought this was going to be the key ... nope. Well, the next most likely is perl. Can you downgrade to the version in stable? Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Motif v lesstif - was Re: Netscape Communicator 4.01b6 ...
On Sat, 5 Jul 1997, Alex Yukhimets wrote: Well, true, but it was linked against Motif 1.2 which make it useless for most of us who has Motif 2.0 :( Works with lesstif too? ;) I have seen several posts which claimed this couldn't be done. What steps would one need to take to get this working? What do you mean? Making Lesstif and Motif binary compatible? You must have OSF source for that :) Alex Y. If one has the library call interface and specifications, it seems to me that it should be possible to write a library that is functionally identical to Motif. If this is not true, I'd like for someone to explain to me why. --David - LINUX: the FREE 32 bit OS for [345]86 PC's available NOW! David B Teague | User interface copyrights software patents make [EMAIL PROTECTED] | programing a dangerous business. Ask me or [EMAIL PROTECTED] encryption munitions Serbian hydrazine ammonium nitrate fuel oil Bosnia data National Security Council explosion Treasury terrorist clipper spy counter-intelligence wild porno sex gold bullion Russia Mossad -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
IRQTune Problem
When trying to start IRQTune, I get the following message: irqtune: setting system IRQ priority to 3/14 (Note: this was as expected) irqtune: insmod failed on `/usr/lib/hwtools/irqtune_mod.o` Trying to load this module manually gave me: ./irqtune_mod.o: couldn't find the kernel version the module was compile for HwTools Version: 0.2-5 Debian Version: 1.3.0 Kernel Version: 2.0.30 Any ideas on what I can try? I've got some real problems on my 16450 UART running PPP - many errors. I'd really like to try IRQTune to see if it helps. TIA for any help, Kevin Traas Systems Analyst Baan Business Systems -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: xemacs19 dumps core w. XFree 3.3
You need to get the new release of xemacs. There seems there was some incompatability that was fixed by recompiling. HTH, Shaya On 4 Jul 1997, Joachim Trinkwitz wrote: After installing the new XFree 3.3 packages xemacs 19.15 (from the unstable dir) dumps immediatly core after starting. I had to go back to 3.2. Is it possible that xemacs19 doesn't work with the new xlib6? -- Joachim Trinkwitzemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CIP-Pool Anglistik, Germanistik, phone: 0228-737565 Romanistik, Skandinavistik fax: 0228-737479 Rheinische Friedrich-Wilhelms-Universitaet Am Hof 1d, D-53113 Bonn, Germany -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: ncurses3.4
On Fri, 4 Jul 1997, Peter Mutsaers wrote: I see a lot of packages appearing in unstable that depend on ncurses3.4. But no packages providing it is available (only ncurses3.0). Can anyone tell me where I can get ncurses3.4? It still appears to be in Incoming on master.debian.org, last I checked. Developers, like me, are downloading it from there, because we need it if we want our apps to be libc6. Shaya -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: XFree86 3.3 can't find fixed font
On Sat, 5 Jul 1997, ninjaz wrote: Thanks for the blazing fast response. :) Tried that to no avail (using accelx 3.1 and the SVGA server from 3.2 - just noticed I had that package on hold as I was using accelx).. after downloading the SVGA server from xfree86 3.3, things are working again. AccelX can't deal with the compressed fonts. You will need to decompress all the .gz and .Z files in the font directories and then run mkfontdir in each of those directories as well. That's what got me up and running again. -- Mark EvansLinux v2 Information Headquarters [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxhq.com -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: mc problem
On 05-Jul-97 Paul Seelig wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Puryear) writes:
In your /etc/mc/mc.ext you should have these:
# deb
regex/\.deb$
Open=%cd deb:%d/%p/
View=%view{ascii} dpkg-deb -c %f
A while back, I reported this as bug, but I guess it was not fixed.
I'll report this to the MC upstream maintainer Miguel de Icaza for
inclusion into the regular MC distribution. He was already so nice to
include support for *.deb in the main source code upon my request a
few months ago. Another milestone in making Debian packaging a de
facto standard besides RPM. ;-)
Cheers, P. *8^)
Sorry, I should have mentioned that this doesn't happen with upstream source
distribution.:)
In another interesting note, when I replace mc.ext from mc-4 source to
/etc/mc/mc.ext, *.deb and *.tar.gz browsing is lot faster using
mc_3.5.17-1_i386.deb:) If you are wondering why I didn't keep mc-4, I like to
keep this system *.deb format as much as possible, so I'll wait for mc-4.deb:)
BTW I'm using perl_5.003.07-3.deb and libc5_5.4.23-4.deb. Both
mc_3.5.17-1_i386.deb and mc-4.0.3.tar.gz work on this setup.
BTW2 If you have mc.ext that works for you, becareful with installing
mc_3.5.17-1_i386.deb which replaces without giving a choice.
Cheers,
David
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enlightenment (was Re: Licenses)
[on followups: please follow up to just one list. To debian-user if it's about E or to debian-devel if it's about licenses.] On Jul 5, Lalo Martins wrote [...] However, the copyright in E says: (actually it says to read imlib.h) - All Imlib source code it Copyright (C) 1997 Carsten Haitzler (Rasterman) and falls, in its current version under the GNU Public LICENSE (GPL). If you dont know what this means, go read up about it. Simply it means you can freely copy it, modify it etc. I do however hold ONE EXCEPTION to the GPL, Imlib, and any derivative source may not be run or compiled on any Windows or DOS Platfroms (that is Windows1.0-3.11, Windows 95, Windows NT MS-DOS versions 1.0 and up (all (R) (TM) etc.) etc. all from Microsoft. Doing so will violate this license agreement. - Is this OK for the main distribution? Or do I need to ask Raster to be less enthusiastical? (This will more likely result in a flame than a new license) On Jul 5, Bruce Perens wrote [...] Sorry, this is very definitely not free software. Free means free to everyone, not just free to everyone but users of Microsoft systems. So all E users there, help me beg Raster for a license that allows it to be on the main distribution. Y'know, non-free doesn't get on the official CD; if we could just settle for contrib? [one could argue the GPL is not free as it doesn't allow me to create a derivative work with a different copyright, if we want to go to terms. I personally like E's license and don't see a good chance of a Windoze port anyway... have anyone run X there? How do window managers work in such a hybrid environment?] []s, |alo + -- I walk the maze of moments... http://www.webcom.com/lalo mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp key in the web page Free Software Union -- http://www.fslu.org Debian GNU/Linux -- http://www.debian.org -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: enlightenment (was Re: Licenses)
From: Lalo Martins [EMAIL PROTECTED] one could argue the GPL is not free as it doesn't allow me to create a derivative work with a different copyright, if we want to go to terms. Are you being facetious? There's not much point in writing a license at all if everyone is free to change the terms of the license. That's what public domain is for. I personally like E's license and don't see a good chance of a Windoze port anyway... have anyone run X there? How do window managers work in such a hybrid environment?] X servers run just fine on Microsoft operating systems. Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
'date'
Hi! [EMAIL PROTECTED]:ttyp1]:/usr/debian # date -d1year; date -d2years; date -d3years; date -d4years Mon Jul 6 13:30:51 EST 1998 Tue Jul 6 13:30:51 EST 1999 Thu Jan 1 13:59:59 EST 1970 Thu Jan 1 13:59:59 EST 1970 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:ttyp1]:/usr/debian # date --version date - GNU sh-utils 1.12 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:ttyp1]:/usr/debian This is on a debian-1.2 system. I get the same for a slackware-3.2 system with 'sh-utils 1.12' However I know that with 'sh-utils 1.16' from ftp://prep.ai.mit.edu/pub/gnu I would be getting: # date --version date (GNU sh-utils) 1.16 # date -d1year; date -d2years; date -d3years; date -d4years Sun Jul 5 00:34:02 EDT 1998 Mon Jul 5 00:34:02 EDT 1999 Wed Jul 5 00:34:02 EDT 2000 Thu Jul 5 00:34:02 EDT 2001 # date -d40years date -d40years Sun Jul 5 00:35:37 EDT 2037 # date -d41years date -d41years date: invalid date `41years' which at least is a bit better ;) As I have just upgraded the slackware box ... I have a ls-lRa.gz of ftp://ftp.debian.org/pub/debian and have ' zcat ftp.debian.org-pub.debian-ls-lRa.gz | grep sh-util ' but found no such package ... Any ideas how on debian do I upgrade the 'date' program ( and the rest of the sh-utils programs )is greatly appreciated. TIA, Rob - -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Audio Support
Thanks for the fast response on the first note. Now when running 'make config' to configure my kernel (in an attempt to add sound support), my system finds those 5 *.h files that were missing (libc5-dev fixed that). But now I get this.. Compiling Sound Driver v3.5.5-beta for Linux rm -f configure gcc -I/usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.30 /include -o configure configure.c In file included from configure.c:20: /usr/include/stdlib.h:34: stddef.h: No such file or directory. that goes on for the other 4 .h files that were missing earlier (string.h stdio.h, etc) what do I do now? this is kinda puzzling me.. =) jason westervelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Debian Installation experience
I installed debian a few weeks ago and I noticed that when an installation
disk is corrupted you have to start the installation all over again. If I
remember correctly there were 7 diskettes. Now, if there's a 20% chance
of a diskette having a read-error, the chance of having to start the
installation a second time is 1-0.8^7 = 0.8 = 80%. If there's a 10%
chance, there's a 48% chance etc. What about giving the user a second
chance when a read-error is encountered? [ yes - I had read-errors ;-) ].
Also I have trouble understanding what all those diskettes are for. My
installation takes 36MB. subtracting /usr/{doc,man,info,X11R6} and
/var/log leaves 18.5MB. 7 diskettes can hold 7*1.44MB = 10MB. When I use
gzip -9 to compress my 18.5 MB distribution it's down to 7MB! Less than
the size of my installation disk and it fits on _5_ diskettes. You get
_tons_ of programs in 18MB.
I installed using ftp. When deb-ftp gets packets it doesn't indicate where
in the process it is. No estimated time is given - no remaining packets
is given. [ It would be preferable to be able to check packets as they are
fetched - not as a second step wasting lots of time. Having several
ftp-sessions for speed would also be a plus. ]
I think the fact that the debian installation requires 7 diskettes as
opposed to redhat which requires two (three?) and the seemlingly(?) slow
ftp-installation makes a debian-installation _almost_ an order of
magintude slower/more frustrating to install than redhat.
Is there any help on getting X installed at all? I'm not sure that it
appeared as part of the installation process. I searched around in dselect
and by chance found the xbase package.. then after a round of
installations I found the xfnt packages. There were definitively a lack of
dependencies or something because the X-server won't run without fonts but
xfntbase isn't required by the xserver-s3 package (this is documented in
the info for xfntbase).
while undocumented, both dpkg and dpkg-ftp depends on gcc
(dpkg-ftp uses dpkg --print-architecture which uses gcc)
while undocumented, dpkg depends on perl
( dselect disk installation requires perl)
while undocumented, dpkg-ftp depends on awk
so it seems that order to use dpkg with ftp-support I have to install the
following:
dpkg-ftp and dpkg
libg++
ncurses3.0 (required by dpkg)
perl (required by disk-install and dpkg-ftp)
libnet (required by dpkg-ftp)
libdb1 and libgdbm1 (required by perl)
gcc (required by dpkg)
binutils (required by gcc)
libbfd (required by binutils)
cpp (required by gcc)
gawk,mawk,nawk or some other awk implementation (required by dpkg-ftp)
The packets that are not needed by other parts of my system are libg++,
perl, gcc, binutils, libbfd and gawk - amounting to about 15MB of wasted
space - thanks but no thanks - I think I'll rather live with a broken
installation.
astor
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Re: 'date'
robert == robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: robert Hi! robert I have a ls-lRa.gz of ftp://ftp.debian.org/pub/debian and robert have robert ' zcat ftp.debian.org-pub.debian-ls-lRa.gz | grep sh-util robert ' robert but found no such package ... In Debian, the package is called shellutils. The proper solution, however, is to upgrade to Debian 1.3. Just run 'dselect', and use the [A]ccess menu to point it via FTP to your favorite debian mirror site. 1.3 is nicenice stuff. Once you upgrade, many many other problems will go away. :) -- Brought to you by the letters O and B and the number 11. Step away from the car. This car is protected by Viper. -- TMBG Ben Gertzfield http://www.imsa.edu/~wilwonka/ Finger me for my public PGP key. I'm on FurryMUCK as Che, and EFNet and YiffNet IRC as Che_Fox. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
[not really debian, somewhat related] GCC links static
Hello! i've tried to install hamm over bo, and the install failed (mainly because i haven't fetched all the right files) ... and i gave up for a while. but there's a reminescent of the failed install: when i run gcc (like gcc -o file file.c), it's _statically_ linked to libc. is there any way to change this to it's normal behaviour (ie., make it link w/ shared libc)? done. aldrin leal [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: ncurses3.4
Carey Evans wrote: Kevin M. Bealer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snip] Also, installing this packages causes dselect to get really excited about dependencies, since everything wants the old libreadline, and the new one doesn't want to coexist. What is the solution to this sort of thing? For now, I have left the new one installed, deselected it, and stopped upgrading for a bit, but bc doesn't run yet. Get the new, old libreadline2 from the same place as libreadlineg2: (clip) Thanks, I don't know why I didn't see that before. However there is still a problem : $ bc bc: error in loading shared libraries libreadline.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory $ ldd -v `which bc` ldd: version 1.9.2 libreadline.so.2 = not found libncurses.so.3.4 = /lib/libncurses.so.3.4 (0x4000f000) libc.so.6 = /lib/libc.so.6 (0x40054000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 = /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x4000) $ ls -la /lib/libc5-compat total 132 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1024 Jul 6 01:36 . drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 3072 Jul 6 01:36 .. lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Jul 6 01:36 libreadline.so.2 - libreadline.so.2.1 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Jul 6 01:36 libreadline.so.2.0 - libreadline.so.2.1 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 129716 Jun 23 17:44 libreadline.so.2.1 I have, several times, run ldconfig -v as root. The directories /usr/lib/libc5-compat /lib/libc5-compat are both in /etc/ld.so.conf So why is it doing this? If I do an $ strace -f ldd -v `which bc` It doesn't seem to try to open /usr/lib/libc5-compat Also note that there were spurious links to libhistory.so and libreadline.so in the regular directories, i.e. /usr/lib and /lib, presumably from the last version. Removing these did not help. The /etc/ld.so.cache had a modification date from the last time I run ldconfig -v. [EMAIL PROTECTED]/GNU--1.3---Linux--2.0.30--- ACHTUNG! Das machine is nicht fur gefingerpoken und mittengrabben. Ist easyschnappen der springenwerk, blowenfusen und corkenpoppen mitspitzensparken. Ist nicht fur gewerken by das dummkopfen. Dasrubbernecken sightseeren keepen hands in das pockets. Relaxen undvatch das blinkenlights!!! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian Installation experience
On Sun, 6 Jul 1997, Alexander Kjeldaas wrote:
I installed debian a few weeks ago and I noticed that when an installation
disk is corrupted you have to start the installation all over again. If I
remember correctly there were 7 diskettes.
Your memory is partially correct. Debian requires a _maximum_ of 8 disk,
but as few as 0.
Option 1: cd install from bootable cd, 0 disk
Option 2: loadlin install, 0 disk
Option 3: resc and drivers on floppies, base1_3 on harddrive, 2 disk
( may require root on floppy if you only have a 5 1/4 )
Option 4: everything on floppy, between 7 and 8 disk
What about giving the user a second
chance when a read-error is encountered?
You do, it's called the reboot key :-) That's only if the root fails,
I'm pretty sure you get a second chance with the base disk, not positive
about the drivers disk.
Also I have trouble understanding what all those diskettes are for. My
installation takes 36MB. subtracting /usr/{doc,man,info,X11R6} and
/var/log leaves 18.5MB. 7 diskettes can hold 7*1.44MB = 10MB. When I use
gzip -9 to compress my 18.5 MB distribution it's down to 7MB! Less than
the size of my installation disk and it fits on _5_ diskettes. You get
_tons_ of programs in 18MB.
The base disk total 5819Kb at the current time, they are designed to fit
on both 5 1/4 and 3 1/2 floppies, most likely to save space on the
mirrors. The base1_3.tgz is a simple tar archive if you want to see
what's on the base disk.
I installed using ftp. When deb-ftp gets packets it doesn't indicate where
in the process it is. No estimated time is given - no remaining packets
is given.
It would be a nice feature, but the debian programmers are currently busy
overhauling the dselect program, this just has to be left as a low
priority at the present time. You can always look at the file size change
as it comes in.
[ It would be preferable to be able to check packets as they are
fetched - not as a second step wasting lots of time. Having several
ftp-sessions for speed would also be a plus. ]
I don't see the advantage of several ftp sessions. Even if there was an
advantage, everyone else would do this, and you wouldn't be able to
connect to your mirror because it's reached the max connection level.
I think the fact that the debian installation requires 7 diskettes as
opposed to redhat which requires two (three?) and the seemlingly(?) slow
ftp-installation makes a debian-installation _almost_ an order of
magintude slower/more frustrating to install than redhat.
See above comment on # of disk. If speed is a problem, cd's run for less
than 3 dollars.
Is there any help on getting X installed at all? I'm not sure that it
appeared as part of the installation process. I searched around in dselect
and by chance found the xbase package.
Did you look at the section headings, there are entire sections devoted to
X, split up by recommented, optional, and extra divisions. (See above
note on dselect overhauling.)
while undocumented, both dpkg and dpkg-ftp depends on gcc
(dpkg-ftp uses dpkg --print-architecture which uses gcc)
while undocumented, dpkg depends on perl
( dselect disk installation requires perl)
I'll have to double check this (didn't have the phone number of my isp
handly while testing the install disk), but I think the base install has
enough to start ppp using the pon and poff scripts and use the ftp method
of dselect to finish the installation. I'm guessing perl was included
with the base disk.
[remaining comments cut]
I'm not going to try to get you to use debian over red hat, just like I
don't try to get my mom to use linux over win 95. The fact that you are
using linux and that she is using a computer is good enough. Of course,
whenever she has a problem, I just smile, blame windoze, and walk away.
Brandon
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Re: mc problem
On 5 Jul 1997, Michael Harnois wrote: Well, I've discovered (accidentally) what crashes and burns on my system. Any .deb file which has been on a vfat filesystem will not open with mc. If I download a file to a vfat system, I can't open it. If I copy it from an ext2fs filesystem to a vfat system, I can't open it. If I copy the same file back to the ext2fs system, it won't open there, either. How about using md5sum on the suspect files? Compare it with what's in Packages and let us know what you find. I found the problem and am about to post to the list. -- Michael D. Harnois, Redeemer Lutheran Church, Washburn, IA [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Few sinners are saved after the first 20 minutes of a sermon. --Mark Twain Lindsay -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: enlightenment (was Re: Licenses)
On Sat, 5 Jul 97 21:28 PDT, Bruce Perens wrote: From: Lalo Martins [EMAIL PROTECTED] one could argue the GPL is not free as it doesn't allow me to create a derivative work with a different copyright, if we want to go to terms. Are you being facetious? There's not much point in writing a license at all if everyone is free to change the terms of the license. That's what public domain is for. I personally like E's license and don't see a good chance of a Windoze port anyway... have anyone run X there? How do window managers work in such a hybrid environment?] X servers run just fine on Microsoft operating systems. XFree86 3.3 also runs great on OS/2 : -- Elite MicroComputers 908-541-4214 http://www.psychosis.com/emc/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Motif v lesstif - was Re: Netscape Communicator 4.01b6 ...
On Sat, 5 Jul 1997, Alex Yukhimets wrote: Well, true, but it was linked against Motif 1.2 which make it useless for most of us who has Motif 2.0 :( Works with lesstif too? ;) I have seen several posts which claimed this couldn't be done. What steps would one need to take to get this working? What do you mean? Making Lesstif and Motif binary compatible? You must have OSF source for that :) Alex Y. If one has the library call interface and specifications, it seems to me that it should be possible to write a library that is functionally identical to Motif. If this is not true, I'd like for someone to explain to me why. --David I guess by functionally identical you mean binary compatible. OK, one rude example. If among the set of library functions we also have some global variables (for completely internal use, not documented), they have to be linked to your program at compile-time, not run-time. But even the goal of source code compatibility with Motif I consider unattainable (without examining Motif source code) due to the nature of Xlib - the layer behind Motif. Each call to its routine changes internal state of Xlib. If the same Motif library call implemented even by different order of Xlib calls in Motif and Lesstif, the internal state of Xlib might very well be different after this call. If the programmer also uses direct Xlib call after calling some Motif routine (absolutely legal thing), the result of this call may also be different in Lesstif and Motif implementations, which immediately breaks even source code compatibility. Alex Y. -- _ _( )_ ( (o___ | _ 7 ''' \() (O O) / \ \ +---oOO--(_)+ |\ __/ -- | Alexander Yukhimets [EMAIL PROTECTED] | || | http://pages.nyu.edu/~aqy6633/ | ( / +-oOO---+ \ / |__|__| ) /(_ || || | (___)ooO Ooo \___) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: mc problem - solved.
On Sat, 5 Jul 1997, David Puryear wrote:
On 05-Jul-97 Paul Seelig wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Puryear) writes:
In your /etc/mc/mc.ext you should have these:
# deb
regex/\.deb$
Open=%cd deb:%d/%p/
View=%view{ascii} dpkg-deb -c %f
A while back, I reported this as bug, but I guess it was not fixed.
I'll report this to the MC upstream maintainer Miguel de Icaza for
inclusion into the regular MC distribution. He was already so nice to
include support for *.deb in the main source code upon my request a
few months ago. Another milestone in making Debian packaging a de
facto standard besides RPM. ;-)
Cheers, P. *8^)
Sorry, I should have mentioned that this doesn't happen with upstream source
distribution.:)
In another interesting note, when I replace mc.ext from mc-4 source to
/etc/mc/mc.ext, *.deb and *.tar.gz browsing is lot faster using
mc_3.5.17-1_i386.deb:) If you are wondering why I didn't keep mc-4, I like to
keep this system *.deb format as much as possible, so I'll wait for mc-4.deb:)
You might be waiting for a long time. The package maintainer seems to
have lost interest. Perhaps we ask Paul nicely if he would take on the
job?
I found the problem. I listed version of various things on three Debian
boxes to which I have access. The version of mc is not an issue.
elm oak gum
mc worksno yes yes
dpkg1.4.0.8 1.4.0.8 1.4.0.8
libc4 4.6.27-15 4.6.27-15 -
libc5 5.4.23-65.4.23-65.4.23-3
libc6 2.0.4-1 - -
tar 1.12-1 1.11.8-11 1.11.8-11
gzip1.2.4-151.2.4-151.2.4-15
ldso1.9.2-2 1.8.10.21.8.10.2
perl5.003.07-10 5.003.07-10 5.003.07-10
The odd man out seemed to be tar, so I downgraded elm to the bo/tar with
the result that mc now works as advertised. The question now is - do I
lodge a bug report on mc or on tar? What evidence is there to support
either action?
My thanks to the list with special mention to Paul, David and Dale in
tracking this down.
mc_4.0-1 is a big improvement for me and I suggest that you all get hold
of a copy. There are copies on many mirrors including sunsite.
Lindsay
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Security hole in Debian's /bin/false?
Hello everyone, I am just surfing Samba's Home Page and found this in a FAQ: 4.1 How do I set accounts for Samba users Samba users need Unix accounts on a Samba server. These accounts can be provided by the usual /etc/passwd mechanism or may be distributed with NIS (yellow pages). The server uses them to get the information about uid number and groups to which users belong. These accounts can be pretty minimal in the sense that Samba will be quite happy with an entry which has '*' in a password field and /bin/false for a shell (`real' Unix logins with this type of account will be impossible, obviously enough). Still one should be careful with this advice if you have real security concerns. On many machines (very popular on Linux systems) /bin/false is a shell script script. This may provide a foothold to a determined attacker. It is advisable to replace it with a true compiled program (linked statically if you use shared libraries). I do not know much about security but Debian's /bin/false is also a shell script. Are we at risk? Shouldn't /bin/false be changed to a compiled version? E.- -- Eloy A. Paris Information Technology Department Rockwell Automation de Venezuela Telephone: +58-2-9432311 Fax: +58-2-9430323 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: First Mars Pictures
Jim Pick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: : Anyone watching NASA Select TV for the first pictures of Mars? : : The desktop they're using looks hauntingly familiar... : : fvwm2 is there, and xv too... Yes, I saw it. I wish it was a Debian machine. The screen looks great with all those windows. E.- -- Eloy A. Paris Information Technology Department Rockwell Automation de Venezuela Telephone: +58-2-9432311 Fax: +58-2-9430323 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Security hole in Debian's /bin/false?
Hi, I don't know about other Unices but at least IRIX has it's /bin/true and /bin/false set to shell scripts as well. It seems that Debian's no worse off than SGIs and other Linux distributions at least. J. Goldman -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: IRQTune Problem
On Sat, 5 Jul 1997, Kevin Traas wrote: When trying to start IRQTune, I get the following message: irqtune: setting system IRQ priority to 3/14 (Note: this was as expected) irqtune: insmod failed on `/usr/lib/hwtools/irqtune_mod.o` Trying to load this module manually gave me: ./irqtune_mod.o: couldn't find the kernel version the module was compile for HwTools Version: 0.2-5 Debian Version: 1.3.0 Kernel Version: 2.0.30 Any ideas on what I can try? I've got some real problems on my 16450 UART running PPP - many errors. I'd really like to try IRQTune to see if it helps. TIA for any help, Kevin Traas Systems Analyst Baan Business Systems This message from the list might be of interest:- From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Jul 6 13:54:42 1997 Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 00:49:40 +0200 (CEST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Solution to irqtune problems Resent-Date: 4 Jun 1997 23:53:35 - Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org Resent-cc: recipient list not shown:;;@lists.debian.org Hi, I have tracked down the cause of the problems which were reported about irqtune. Apparently hwtools does not contain the most recent version of irqtune. Using irqtune 0.5 will solve your problems. I have addressed the package maintainer about this. Two solutions: 1. Wait for the new hwtools package. 2. Get the irqtune 0.5 from the website. You don't have to recompile, just copy irqtune_mod.o and irqtune from the tar to /sbin . Then change the invocation of irqtune in /etc/rc.boot/hwtools from irqtune to /sbin/irqtune Ciao, Martin --- Lindsay -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: AGAIN: Help please: /dev/printer disappeared
On Thu, 3 Jul 1997, Bruce Perens wrote: OK. Remove /dev/printer and start lpd. It'll probably create the socket on its own. See why it doesn't start from one of the /etc/rc.d files. Bruce Hmm... How come I don't have /dev/printer? :) What is it for? I have been printing to /dev/lp1 with no problem, but I'm just curious what /dev/printer is all about. I installed Debian 1.1 and is now living on hamm, using LPRng. ^_^ Thanks. Anthony -- Anthony Fok Tung-Ling[EMAIL PROTECTED] Civil Engineeringhttp://www.ualberta.ca/~foka/ University of Alberta, CanadaKeep smiling! *^_^* -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Printer question
On Sat, 5 Jul 1997, G. Kapetanios wrote: I have an old bubble jet BJ-10SX cannon printer. I have just set up lprng and magicfilter. I can print but only text . I am not very sure as to how to incorporate the filter in /etc/printcap I have triad the if statement and it didn't work. ( :if=\usr\sbin\magicfilter:\ ) I would be grateful if someone could send me their printcap file to see how it is done. Also I would like o know the appropriate name e.t.c. for my printer. Any help will be much appreciated Have you tried running the program /usr/sbin/magicfilterconfig? It is supposed to configure the printer for you automatically. Is your printer compatible with BJ-10e? Magicfilter comes with a configuration file for it. BTW, I think your setting in printcap failed for two reasons. First, you used \ for the pathnames. This is UNIX, not DOS, so you should use / instead. :) Second, you do not call /usr/bin/magicfilter directly from /etc/printcap. Instead, when you use magicfilterconfig, it will create the /usr/sbin/bj10e-filter, which runs magicfilter and parses the configuration in bj10e-filter. For example, I have the following in my /etc/printcap: :if=/usr/sbin/epsonstc500-filter: Good luck! Anthony -- Anthony Fok Tung-Ling[EMAIL PROTECTED] Civil Engineeringhttp://www.ualberta.ca/~foka/ University of Alberta, CanadaKeep smiling! *^_^* -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Security hole in Debian's /bin/false?
On Sun, Jul 06, 1997 at 02:56:41AM -0500, Jesse Goldman wrote: I don't know about other Unices but at least IRIX has it's /bin/true and /bin/false set to shell scripts as well. It seems that Debian's no worse off than SGIs and other Linux distributions at least. Shell scripts here on Solaris 5.5 too. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt, StudIEAust[EMAIL PROTECTED] Student, computer science computer systems engineering.3rd year, RMIT. http://hamish.home.ml.org/ (PGP key here) CPOM: [* ] 50% The opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth. --Bohr -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Security hole in Debian's /bin/false?
Yeah, I checked a Solaris machine and I also checked an old DEC with the same results. In fact, on the DEC, there aren't even shell scripts, just a text file with an exit 0 or an exit 1 depending on whether you want true or false. Maybe it's an executable on an Alpha? J. Goldman -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: ncurses3.4
Kevin M. Bealer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snip] $ bc bc: error in loading shared libraries libreadline.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory $ ldd -v `which bc` ldd: version 1.9.2 libreadline.so.2 = not found libncurses.so.3.4 = /lib/libncurses.so.3.4 (0x4000f000) libc.so.6 = /lib/libc.so.6 (0x40054000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 = /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x4000) [snip] Also note that there were spurious links to libhistory.so and libreadline.so in the regular directories, i.e. /usr/lib and /lib, presumably from the last version. Removing these did not help. % ldd -v =bc ldd: version 1.9.2 libreadline.so.2 = /lib/libreadline.so.2 (0x4000f000) libncurses.so.3.4 = /lib/libncurses.so.3.4 (0x4003) libc.so.6 = /lib/libc.so.6 (0x40075000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 = /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x4000) So you _do_ need the /lib/libreadline.so.2 link. bc in unstable is a libc6 program, so it shouldn't be concerned with what is in the libc5-compat directories. % dpkg -S libreadline.so.2 libreadline2: /lib/libc5-compat/libreadline.so.2 libreadlineg2: /lib/libreadline.so.2.1 libreadline2: /lib/libc5-compat/libreadline.so.2.0 libreadline2: /lib/libc5-compat/libreadline.so.2.1 libreadlineg2: /lib/libreadline.so.2 Is libreadlineg2 still installed properly after your problems with it? -- Carey Evans * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Our mail program accidentally deleted our remove list. - Real quote from UCE -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: GCC links static
Aldrin Leal [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: when i run gcc (like gcc -o file file.c), it's _statically_ linked to libc. is there any way to change this to it's normal behaviour (ie., make it link w/ shared libc)? Make sure you have the versions of the libc? and libc?-dev files being compiled against. Have a look at `dpkg -l libc*'. -- Carey Evans * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Our mail program accidentally deleted our remove list. - Real quote from UCE -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
mc problem - solved
Hi
1) Please disregard my previous posting with lots of Perl and stuff:
I was falling asleep when I posted that. I'm attaching a patch for
/usr/local/lib/mc/extfs/deb (or wherever it is on your box) below.
Note that the patch has Y2K bug, which leads me to
2) Is there a function in Perl to convert month from 2-digit MM to
3-letter Mon or do I have to roll my own?
---
Explanation: it seems that original scripts expects the date in
`dpkg-deb -c` output to be in either MM DD HH:MM YY or
Mon DD HH:MM format (not sure which) and it gets MM-DD-
instead. That breaks split() and consequently the rest.
mc needs date converted to either MM-DD-YY or Mon DD .
In the patch below I simply subtract 1900 from to get YY,
which is ugly. What I really need is to convert MM to Mon --
hence the question above.
When that's done I'll send the patch to mc team, meanwhile you can
try the following hack.
--
Dimitri
--- deb.origFri Jul 4 05:31:31 1997
+++ deb Sun Jul 6 17:21:12 1997
@@ -34,8 +34,10 @@
{
while(PIPEIN)
{
-
($perm,$owgr,$size,$month,$day,$time,$year,$path,$arrow,$link,$link2)
+
($perm,$owgr,$size,$date,$time,$path,$arrow,$link,$link2)
= split;
+ ($year,$month,$day) = split(/-/,$date);
+ $year -= 1900;
$owgr=~s!/! !;
next if $path=~m!/$!;
if($arrow eq 'link')
@@ -49,7 +51,7 @@
$arrow=' ' . $arrow;
$link= ' ' . $link;
}
- print $perm 1 $owgr $size $month $day $year $time
CONTENTS/$path$arrow$link\n;
+ print $perm 1 $owgr $size $month-$day-$year $time
CONTENTS/$path$arrow$link\n;
}
}
}
Re: mc problem
On 5 Jul 1997, Michael Harnois wrote:
you should be able to see what the shell returned. When I hit enter on
binutils_2.8.1-2.deb, for example, I get
./binutils_2.8.1-2.deb: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `!arch'
./binutils_2.8.1-2.deb: line 1: `!arch'
I think I know what this problem is. It's probably related to {v,}fat
partitions. In that case, the solution would be very easy.
In order to reproduce your results I first patched my mc.ext file to do
the .deb things again and started mc. I `entered' on automake_1.0-4.deb
and it works fine for me.
But look what happens when I do this:
# chmod +x automake_1.0-4.deb
Now, `entering' the .deb gives output on the command line:
# ./automake_1.0-4.deb
./automake_1.0-4.deb: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `!arch'
./automake_1.0-4.deb: line 1: `!arch'
Figure how come that happens..
Look at the permissions on the files on your {v,}fat partition; I bet
they're all executable.. Note that the permissions don't miraculously
change when you move or copy files to an ext2 partition.
I have two questions for the more knowledgable WRT mc internals:
$ locate mc.ext
/etc/mc.ext
/etc/mc/mc.ext
/etc/mc/mc.ext.dpkg-old
/usr/lib/mc/mc.ext
/usr/lib/mc/mc.ext.dpkg-old
The latter two are symlinks to their counterparts in /etc/mc/ .
I can understand the case for mc.ext , but why is mc.ext.dpkg-old
also symlinked to /usr/lib/ ?
Why is there an mc.ext in /etc/ besides the one in /etc/mc/ ?
Why does (amongst other keys) F3 not work in an xterm{-color} ?
My mc is:
$ dpkg -l mc
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge
| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-instal
|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err:upperc
||/ NameVersionDescription
+++-===-==-===
ii mc 3.5.17-1 Midnight Commander - A feature-rich
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Re: mc problem
On Sun, 6 Jul 1997 12:43:59 +0800 (WST), Lindsay Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: How about using md5sum on the suspect files? Compare it with what's in Packages and let us know what you find. It's correct on either filesystem. -- Michael D. Harnois, Redeemer Lutheran Church, Washburn, IA [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Few sinners are saved after the first 20 minutes of a sermon. --Mark Twain -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: mc problem - solved
As Lindsay pointed out, the patch in my previous post will break *.deb viewer for those who have tar-1.11. Be very afraid and do `dpkg -l tar` before applying the patch. :) (patch works for tar-1.12-1) -- Dimitri -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: mc problem
On Sun, 6 Jul 1997 14:24:23 +0200 (CEST), Joost Kooij [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I think I know what this problem is. It's probably related to
{v,}fat partitions. In that case, the solution would be very easy.
snip
Look at the permissions on the files on your {v,}fat partition; I
bet they're all executable.. Note that the permissions don't
miraculously change when you move or copy files to an ext2
partition.
We have a winner, ladies and gentlemen. But *why* does the routine
fail on executable files, and what's the easy fix?
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Re: mc problem
Joost Kooij wrote:
... snip ...
Why does (amongst other keys) F3 not work in an xterm{-color} ?
It will if you patch your terminfo and X resources. IIRC the procedure
was explained somewhere in the docs for mc-3.xx.
Dimitri
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Re: mc problem
On Sun, 06 Jul 1997 20:49:23 +0800, Dima [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: It will if you patch your terminfo and X resources. IIRC the procedure was explained somewhere in the docs for mc-3.xx. I did that, and it was great for mc. However, it broke everything that uses ncurses. ncftp was just a jumble on the screen. -- Michael D. Harnois, Redeemer Lutheran Church, Washburn, IA [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Few sinners are saved after the first 20 minutes of a sermon. --Mark Twain -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Motif v lesstif - was Re: Netscape Communicator 4.01b6 ...
David B. Teague wrote: On Sat, 5 Jul 1997, Alex Yukhimets wrote: Well, true, but it was linked against Motif 1.2 which make it useless for most of us who has Motif 2.0 :( Works with lesstif too? ;) I have seen several posts which claimed this couldn't be done. What steps would one need to take to get this working? What do you mean? Making Lesstif and Motif binary compatible? You must have OSF source for that :) Alex Y. If one has the library call interface and specifications, it seems to me that it should be possible to write a library that is functionally identical to Motif. If this is not true, I'd like for someone to explain to me why. --David Well I tried a little experiement and made a link from lestiff to libXm.so.1.2 and two things happend: 1. The libnullplugin now loads (although I don't really know if it's operational or not) 2. netscape-dynmotif crashed and burned. I'm not even sure what the libnullplugin does exactly. From what I can tell it has something to do with plugin updates and such? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Audio Problem Solved
Thanx to the one who posted the hint to this list that permission-settings could be the reason for not-working audio. I didnt send an I-have-a-problem-message to this list but thanx anyway. For me, those /dev/audio-/dev/dsp-settings are small bugs in the 1.3(.1)-debian-distribution??? Where can we (I) report bugs in the debian-dist apart from this list? Thanx again, Gernot -- -- Gernot Bauer University of Linz, Austria [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Motif v lesstif - was Re: Netscape Communicator 4.01b6 ...
On Sun, 6 Jul 1997, Glen Carreras wrote: David B. Teague wrote: On Sat, 5 Jul 1997, Alex Yukhimets wrote: Well, true, but it was linked against Motif 1.2 which make it useless for most of us who has Motif 2.0 :( Works with lesstif too? ;) I have seen several posts which claimed this couldn't be done. What steps would one need to take to get this working? What do you mean? Making Lesstif and Motif binary compatible? You must have OSF source for that :) Alex Y. If one has the library call interface and specifications, it seems to me that it should be possible to write a library that is functionally identical to Motif. If this is not true, I'd like for someone to explain to me why. --David Well I tried a little experiement and made a link from lestiff to libXm.so.1.2 and two things happend: 1. The libnullplugin now loads (although I don't really know if it's operational or not) 2. netscape-dynmotif crashed and burned. I'm not even sure what the libnullplugin does exactly. From what I can tell it has something to do with plugin updates and such? It will enable you to go to netscape repository of plugin information, when you come across a page that requires a plugin that you don't have. Shaya -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: mc problem - solved
Hi 1) Please disregard my previous posting with lots of Perl and stuff: I was falling asleep when I posted that. I'm attaching a patch for /usr/local/lib/mc/extfs/deb (or wherever it is on your box) below. Note that the patch has Y2K bug, which leads me to 2) Is there a function in Perl to convert month from 2-digit MM to 3-letter Mon or do I have to roll my own? How about: $Mon=(Jan,Feb,Mar,Apr,May,Jun,Jul,Aug,Sep,Oct,Nov,Dec)[$mm-1] || bad_thing; ? Alex Y. -- _ _( )_ ( (o___ | _ 7 ''' \() (O O) / \ \ +---oOO--(_)+ |\ __/ -- | Alexander Yukhimets [EMAIL PROTECTED] | || | http://pages.nyu.edu/~aqy6633/ | ( / +-oOO---+ \ / |__|__| ) /(_ || || | (___)ooO Ooo \___) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: ppp_on_boot -- modifying behavior ?
In the debian startup scrips, /etc/init.d/ppp starts ppp if /etc/ppp/ppp_on_boot exist. I want ppp to start automatically like this, but I would like to use /usr/bin/poff to bring down the connection as an ordinary user. I planned to use su -c to execute the ppp startup as a specific, unpriviliged user; but I haven't been I wouldn't say that this user is unpreviliged if s/he can bring down the connection initiated at boot time and as such you can just let him execute /usr/bin/poff with root priviliges using sudo. Alex Y. -- _ _( )_ ( (o___ | _ 7 ''' \() (O O) / \ \ +---oOO--(_)+ |\ __/ -- | Alexander Yukhimets [EMAIL PROTECTED] | || | http://pages.nyu.edu/~aqy6633/ | ( / +-oOO---+ \ / |__|__| ) /(_ || || | (___)ooO Ooo \___) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: mc problem - solved.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lindsay Allen) writes: In another interesting note, when I replace mc.ext from mc-4 source to /etc/mc/mc.ext, *.deb and *.tar.gz browsing is lot faster using mc_3.5.17-1_i386.deb:) If you are wondering why I didn't keep mc-4, I like to keep this system *.deb format as much as possible, so I'll wait for mc-4.deb:) You might be waiting for a long time. The package maintainer seems to have lost interest. Perhaps we ask Paul nicely if he would take on the job? Did you mail the official package maintainer directly, Lindsay? Note that there is an *unofficial* Debian mc-4.0 binary provided by me available on the regular Midnight Commander FTP sites, which can be installed within the regular Debian package management. And yes, i would love to take over maintenance of MC to keep it more up to date than it was kept in the past. I already had an email conversation with the current maintainer of the MC package Fernando Alegre [EMAIL PROTECTED] because i wanted to take over maintenance of MC out of being unsatisfied with the update frequency as well. Fernando stated that he wants to keep the package. Unfortunately he also stated, that he won't make an update release for stable but that he will concentrate on an libc6 release for unstable. I suppose his source distribution will compile with stable's libc5 anyway. Anyway, i consider it rather strange that Fernando isn't bothering to participate in this thread? But probably he is only reading along in debian-devel and not debian-user and simply doesn't know of it at all. The odd man out seemed to be tar, so I downgraded elm to the bo/tar with the result that mc now works as advertised. The question now is - do I lodge a bug report on mc or on tar? What evidence is there to support either action? I suppose you'd rather report a bug on tar. I had actually trouble with a former tar as well (it segfaulted with tar cvMf ...) and the solution was to simply recompile from it's unaltered Debian source package to make it work again. mc_4.0-1 is a big improvement for me and I suggest that you all get hold of a copy. There are copies on many mirrors including sunsite. Yes, mc-4.0 is a *very* much better version of MC and i wouldn't want to downgrade to mc-3.5.17 again. Anyway i think it is necessary to keep stable up to date with an officially released non-devel version like mc-4.0 and i hope that Fernando will make up his mind and provides a binary for stable as well. Maybe interested parties should ask him politely for an update in stable? Cheers, P. *8^) -- Paul Seelig [EMAIL PROTECTED] African Music Archive - Institute for Ethnology and Africa Studies Johannes Gutenberg-University - Forum 6 - 55099 Mainz/Germany My Homepage in the WWW at the URL http://www.uni-mainz.de/~pseelig -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
PnP ( ie: Modem )
Iam Very new to the UNIX/LINUX OS.. I installed and setup Debian Linux, But I would like to setup my PnP Modem.. Is there any software to help me ? Also I heard good things about Midnight Commander, Where can I get a Linux version ? Thanks, Keith |== | [EMAIL PROTECTED] == SLIP-PPP Internet Address | [EMAIL PROTECTED] == BBS Internet Address | Http://www.asb.com/usr/keith == WWW Page URL Address | [EMAIL PROTECTED]== Compuserve Internet Address | [EMAIL PROTECTED] == My Free Internet Shell Account | [EMAIL PROTECTED]== HAM Radio AMSAT EMail | [EMAIL PROTECTED] == Ham Radio AX25 Packet Address |== -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
rxvt colours
After upgrading to 1.3, rxvt can find certain colours: rxvt: can't load color snow rxvt: can't load color blue I also have this problem using gnuplot. I've tried some of the tricks posted the last few weeks. I have a ~/.Xdefaults and ~/.Xresource pointing to ~/.Xdefaults. Inside X, rxvt -bg blue -fg snow works fine! Any ideas Thanks John * John Maheu phone: 545-2270 ext. 2270 Queen's University email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dept. of Economics Dunning Hall 312 Kingston ON Canada K7L 3N6 ** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: PnP ( ie: Modem )
Keith Knipschild wrote: Iam Very new to the UNIX/LINUX OS.. I installed and setup Debian Linux, But I would like to setup my PnP Modem.. Is there any software to help me ? Have you tried to set it up at all yet? Some PnP modems will work if you simply use the ioport and irq settings used by your Pnp OS. Some modems (a.k.a. winmodems) will never work with Linux; others may be able to be configured with the isapnptools package. Use dselect to download and configure isapnptools if you decide to try it. Also I heard good things about Midnight Commander, Where can I get a Linux version ? Again, use dselect to get the package mc. --Bob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: enlightenment (was Re: Licenses)
Lalo Martins wrote: I personally like E's license and don't see a good chance of a Windoze port anyway... have anyone run X there? I wouldn't be that pessimistic about a Windows port. Cygnus's GNU Win/32 libraries/distribution already run most of the GNU tools on Win95/NT. I attempted to compile dpkg on top of it, and there are only a few small porting issues to deal with -- I just don't have enough time to finish off the job. :-( I'd say that GNU-Win32 is past the critical mass point where it has implemented enough of libc (and other things) to support an entire distribution. There are a few unimplemented features - but they are only critical for a small subset of the available applications out there. It would definitely be possible to run the majority of the Debian packages on top of a GNU-Win32 base (if we had the packaging system working for it). Personally, I refrain from calling Microsoft's product Windoze and I generally wish them the best. Every person I've ever met who worked for Microsoft has been extremely intelligent and a heck of a salesperson (even the programmers). That being said, in the long run, Microsoft doesn't stand a chance competing against the Free Software OS's - we're just a larger, better communicating, more diverse, more anarchaic bunch of guys and gals. Besides slagging Microsoft could come back to haunt you when a certain billionaire (or two) from Seattle offers to buy your company. :-) Cheers, - Jim pgpLVSVgmyZkb.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Recognizing old scsi controller/disk
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael B. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am unable to get an old scsi disk recognized during installation, and would appreciate help. I am trying to install Debian on a rather old system with a Future Domain TMC830 scsi controller. From information obtained from Adaptec's (they bought Future Domain) web site, I have determined that the card is jumpered for memory address of CA000-C8FFF, and an interupt of IRQ 5. This is the default setup for the card. This card/disk boots up DOS just fine. I boot the system using a Debian 1.3 rescue disk. At the boot prompt, I type: tmc830=0xca00,5 per the help file (f5 key) on the rescue disk. I have also tried more and fewer trailing zeros in the memory address. The system responds with: Could not find kernel image: tmc830=0.xca I am not trying to point to a kernel image with the boot parameter, I am just trying to get it to recognize the scsi hardware. I have installed Debian on an IDE drive on this system with no problems. I am out of ideas. Yours would be greatly appreciated. Whenever you specify an option at the boot prompt, you also need to specify the name of the kernel. On the rescue disks, I think it's called linux. Adam Klein -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
nice job with Debian CD-ROM!
Hi all,
I received my Linux Systems Labs Oficial [sic] Debian 1.3 CD-ROM
yesterday. I spent last night doing a new install to a spare hard drive.
Congratulations to the Debian volunteers! You folks did a *really* nice
job with the 1.3 CD!
I did complete floppyless install--and it went with almost no problem.
The only problem I did have was my fault. I kept insisting the CD drive
was /dev/hdc instead of /dev/hdd like the kernel kept telling me. doh!
Once I got it right, everything went very smoothly. I did find that
installing in groups avoided all problems with missing files.
I have one suggestion. Do add something to the README and/or install
files on the CD about doing floppyless installations. It doesn't have to
be long. Being familiar with Debian, I figured how to boot off the CD. A
total newbie might have more difficult since there is no mention of how to
do a floppyless installation.
Mentioning installing in groups might also be a good idea. It could save
folks a lot of frustration.
Other than these minor points, you guys *really* did a nice job! Keep up
the good work!
I am curious what the difference is between the 'Official Debian 1.3' and
LSL's 'Oficial Debian 1.3'. I thought I saw something that if the CD
vendor changes or doesn't use something they can't use the former title.
What did LSL not use or leave out?
Tuesday, I install 1.3 on my brother's machine. We tried installing 1.2
and upgrading to 1.3 about a week ago. Unfortunately we ran into problems
and out of time. Since the 1.3 was already ordered, we decided to wait
for it.
Bob
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Installing debian
I accidently removed my linux partition *GAAAH* ... anyway (after an couple of days depression ;)) I´d like to install debian again ... heres the problem... I destroyed my floppy =(is there ANYWAY(!) to install debian without floppy?? (I´ve got a redhat cd that allows me to install redhat without floppy...but...redhat *brrr* =))... //Regards, Niklas Hoglund . email [EMAIL PROTECTED] . netmail 2:206/137.12 . url http://www.irc.pp.se/~grewer . phone +46-707-543009 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: nice job with Debian CD-ROM!
On Jul 6, Bob Billson wrote I am curious what the difference is between the 'Official Debian 1.3' and LSL's 'Oficial Debian 1.3'. I thought I saw something that if the CD vendor changes or doesn't use something they can't use the former title. What did LSL not use or leave out? Thanks for the nice words. I'm sure the oficial is just a typo. If memory serves, LSL manufactured their CDs directly from the masters put together by Debian. You might want to email them about that (i.e. the typo), but I guess they probably have heard about it already... Christian pgpBcSUO2a5XG.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mc problem - solved
Alex Yukhimets wrote:
How about:
$Mon=(Jan,Feb,Mar,Apr,May,Jun,Jul,Aug,Sep,Oct,Nov,Dec)[$mm-1] || bad_thing;
?
I did, patch's below. I'd rather use an existing function if there was one
-- must be a software engineer in me (типа внутренний шпион).
--
Dimitri
--- deb.origSun Jul 6 22:32:52 1997
+++ deb Sun Jul 6 23:54:54 1997
@@ -34,8 +34,10 @@
{
while(PIPEIN)
{
-
($perm,$owgr,$size,$month,$day,$time,$year,$path,$arrow,$link,$link2)
+
($perm,$owgr,$size,$date,$time,$path,$arrow,$link,$link2)
= split;
+ ($year,$mon,$day) = split(/-/,$date);
+ $month =
(Gee,Jan,Feb,Mar,Apr,May,Jun,Jul,Aug,Sep,Oct,Nov,Dec)[$mon]
|| Gee;
$owgr=~s!/! !;
next if $path=~m!/$!;
if($arrow eq 'link')
using cable modem with Debian?
Since I'll be installing 1.3 on my brother's machine this Tuesday, I have
a question about cable modems. Though not strictly limited to Debian, I
thought some folks here might have already gone down this road.
My brother got a net connection from our local cable company. The tech
who came to install the software (Win95) even knew about Linux and how to
pronounce it correctly (wow!) He said they did have some problems with
get Linux to work. The connections would just die random. Since he
wasn't really well versed in Linux he didn't mention the important details
like which distribution or even kernel version.
What I need to know for Tuesday is how to get Debian to work with the
cable modem.
The modem is connected to the cable company all the time. The IP address
is dynamically assigned. Even if the connection goes down for a short
while, the same IP address is used when the connection comes back up. The
output of the modem goes to an Ethernet card in the machine.
I'll be using diald, unless there is a good reason not to. Beyond this
I'm not sure how to go. I saw a DHCPD (or was it DHCPCD?) client as one
of the .deb packages. My brother said this sounded like what the cable
modem uses now talking to Win95. Should we install this for Debian? If
so, how to get it going?
Any help will be most welcome. Thanks!
Bob
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Re: 'date'
On Jul 6, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote I have a ls-lRa.gz of ftp://ftp.debian.org/pub/debian and have ' zcat ftp.debian.org-pub.debian-ls-lRa.gz | grep sh-util ' but found no such package ... Any ideas how on debian do I upgrade the 'date' program ( and the rest of the sh-utils programs )is greatly appreciated. The package you're looking for is 'shellutils'. Upgrading it to the latest version will fix your problem. (It is at 1.16.) Btw, dpkg --search can tell you to which package a file belongs. So in this case: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:[~] dpkg --search /bin/date shellutils: /bin/date Christian pgp1XVPJ9ABXE.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: I broke 'whatis'. How do I fix it?
On Jul 5, Dave Cinege wrote I don't know how the hell I did it, but I broke whatis. Whereis works. But whatis always returns Nothing appropriate. Whatis works on all my other machines. This machine is a clean 1.3.0 install, but I have installed quite a bit of extra junk. Try doing mandb -c to rebuild the database used by man and whatis. If that doesn't work, you might want to try reinstalling the mandb package. Christian pgpiQeZu4hN0O.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Installing debian
On Jul 6, Niklas Hoglund wrote I accidently removed my linux partition *GAAAH* ... anyway (after an couple of days depression ;)) I´d like to install debian again ... heres the problem... I destroyed my floppy =(is there ANYWAY(!) to install debian without floppy?? (I´ve got a redhat cd that allows me to install redhat without floppy...but...redhat *brrr* =))... The Debian 1.3 Official CD (at least) allows you to boot directly from the CD for the install. So if you don't have a recent Debian CD around, it looks like this would be the best solution. Christian pgpWl8JxBGEyW.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Installing debian
I accidently removed my linux partition *GAAAH* ... anyway (after an couple of days depression ;)) I´d like to install debian again ... heres the problem... I destroyed my floppy =(is there ANYWAY(!) to install debian without floppy?? Of course :). Download the following files from debian/stable/disks-i386: root.bin drv1440.bin rsc1440.bin base1_3.tgz linux you also need loadlin boot loader from debian/tools directory Put them all in the same directory on your dos partition, and type in DOS prompt: loadlin linux root=/dev/ram initrd=root.bin and there you have it, a floppyless installation :). Whenever the installation program asks you for base disks/modules/kernel floppies, point it to the dos partition where you have put the files you downloaded. -- Proudly running Debian Linux! Linux vs. Windows is a no-Win situation Igor Grobman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: mc problem - solved.
On 6 Jul 1997, Paul Seelig wrote: Note that there is an *unofficial* Debian mc-4.0 binary provided by me available on the regular Midnight Commander FTP sites, which can be installed within the regular Debian package management. Paul, for someone who is ignorant of the regular MC ftp sites (do you mean sunsite or tsx-11?), could you elaborate on where this new *.deb of MC could be located? Thanks in advance. | Debian GNU/ __ o Regards, |/ / _ _ _ _ _ __ __ .| / /__ / / / \// //_// \ \/ / Randy| // /_/ /_/\/ /___/ /_/\_\ ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | ...because lockups are for convicts... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian Installation experience
| I installed debian a few weeks ago and I noticed that when an installation | disk is corrupted you have to start the installation all over again. If I Well. Here's what I say to new users here: take seven disks, format them under DOS using a full format (not quick), copy the disks images using rawrite, and verify them. I know it's not nice, but it's better than having to do the whole thing several times. (This happened to me once). Nowadays Debian can be installed using zero, two or seven disks. For floppy-less installations you'll need a CD. For two, you'll need either a CD or NFS, or copy base.tgz to a DOS partition. | Also I have trouble understanding what all those diskettes are for. Five of those disks have the base system. Everything needed to boot linux but the kernel, and a little more. An editor, for example. Several libraries. dpkg. perl-base (bare bones Perl). A shell. The kernel is on the rescue floppy. And there's a ton of drivers for several net cards and stuff like that on the remaining disk. | I think the fact that the debian installation requires 7 diskettes as | opposed to redhat which requires two (three?) and the seemlingly(?) slow | ftp-installation makes a debian-installation _almost_ an order of | magintude slower/more frustrating to install than redhat. I've never used the ftp method. I know stick to mountable. RedHat is a fine product, but it lacks Debian's solid foundation. It's *too* PnP. Once you get it with Debian, it's pretty easy to guess where something is to be found. Debian support is better, too. And Debian went up there and came back. ;-) Cheers, Marcelo -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: using cable modem with Debian?
Sounds a lot like dhcp, try using the dhcpcd (client daemon) package. The
only other thing I think you need is the DNS server's ip address to add to
/etc/resolv.conf. I use it at school, never had a problem. You may want
to ask about the vulnerability of their network to packet sniffing. If
they use 10 base T wire (big phone line vs. the coax cable) and a switched
ethernet hub, you should be good.
HTH,
Brandon
P.S. Never had a problem loosing the connection (even after a ping
attack). I haven't the slightest idea how diald would work with dhcpcd, I
just left mine connected all day.
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We all know Linux is great...it does infinite loops in 5 seconds.
--Linus Torvalds
On Sun, 6 Jul 1997, Bob Billson wrote:
Since I'll be installing 1.3 on my brother's machine this Tuesday, I have
a question about cable modems. Though not strictly limited to Debian, I
thought some folks here might have already gone down this road.
My brother got a net connection from our local cable company. The tech
who came to install the software (Win95) even knew about Linux and how to
pronounce it correctly (wow!) He said they did have some problems with
get Linux to work. The connections would just die random. Since he
wasn't really well versed in Linux he didn't mention the important details
like which distribution or even kernel version.
What I need to know for Tuesday is how to get Debian to work with the
cable modem.
The modem is connected to the cable company all the time. The IP address
is dynamically assigned. Even if the connection goes down for a short
while, the same IP address is used when the connection comes back up. The
output of the modem goes to an Ethernet card in the machine.
I'll be using diald, unless there is a good reason not to. Beyond this
I'm not sure how to go. I saw a DHCPD (or was it DHCPCD?) client as one
of the .deb packages. My brother said this sounded like what the cable
modem uses now talking to Win95. Should we install this for Debian? If
so, how to get it going?
Any help will be most welcome. Thanks!
Bob
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Re: using cable modem with Debian?
Is there a DHCP server assigned by your cable company? If so, I would use
the DHCP client software. My roomates and I have a cable modem, and use
a linux box ( unfortunately running RedHat because it was set up before I
moved in *gag* ) as a firewall, so we can run ethernet to all of our
computers. We haven't had any problems with loss of network, unless our
service provider was having problems. The only difference I can see is
that we have a static IP, compared to your dynamic. I think people
running these other linux box's might not be running a DHCP client, so
eventually there connection would die.
There isn't anything special to networking with cable modems, since
linux/windows only looks at the network card. Making sure that your
network card and network configurations are set up properly should do it.
Loss of network would come into play for instance with DHCP or if your
service provider has problems ( TCI is noted for this at times ). Hope
this helps out.
Dennis
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Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 12:18:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Bob Billson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: using cable modem with Debian?
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Since I'll be installing 1.3 on my brother's machine this Tuesday, I have
a question about cable modems. Though not strictly limited to Debian, I
thought some folks here might have already gone down this road.
My brother got a net connection from our local cable company. The tech
who came to install the software (Win95) even knew about Linux and how to
pronounce it correctly (wow!) He said they did have some problems with
get Linux to work. The connections would just die random. Since he
wasn't really well versed in Linux he didn't mention the important details
like which distribution or even kernel version.
What I need to know for Tuesday is how to get Debian to work with the
cable modem.
The modem is connected to the cable company all the time. The IP address
is dynamically assigned. Even if the connection goes down for a short
while, the same IP address is used when the connection comes back up. The
output of the modem goes to an Ethernet card in the machine.
I'll be using diald, unless there is a good reason not to. Beyond this
I'm not sure how to go. I saw a DHCPD (or was it DHCPCD?) client as one
of the .deb packages. My brother said this sounded like what the cable
modem uses now talking to Win95. Should we install this for Debian? If
so, how to get it going?
Any help will be most welcome. Thanks!
Bob
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StarOffice3.1
Is there a deb package out there, or does any one have a diff for alien to install this properly? I installed but had problems, i have to admit i like micrsoft office 97 ten times better. It takes about 5 minutes to load swriter and about 3 seconds to load word. johannes martinez -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: PnP ( ie: Modem )
On Sun, 6 Jul 1997, Keith Knipschild wrote: Also I heard good things about Midnight Commander, Where can I get a Linux version ? Midnight Commander is a regular debian package. You should be able to fire up the dselect program and select it and have it installed. The *.deb archive of mc is always available from ftp.debian.org or one of its mirrors. | Debian GNU/ __ o Regards, |/ / _ _ _ _ _ __ __ .| / /__ / / / \// //_// \ \/ / Randy| // /_/ /_/\/ /___/ /_/\_\ ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) | ...because lockups are for convicts... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: enlightenment (was Re: Licenses)
On Jul 5, Bruce Perens wrote From: Lalo Martins [EMAIL PROTECTED] one could argue the GPL is not free as it doesn't allow me to create a derivative work with a different copyright, if we want to go to terms. Are you being facetious? There's not much point in writing a license at all if everyone is free to change the terms of the license. That's what public domain is for. Oh no... I don't think that. I like the GPL. I was just disgressing :-) []s, |alo + -- I walk the maze of moments... http://www.webcom.com/lalo mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp key in the web page Free Software Union -- http://www.fslu.org Debian GNU/Linux -- http://www.debian.org -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian Installation experience
On Sun, 6 Jul 1997, Brandon Mitchell wrote: I installed using ftp. When deb-ftp gets packets it doesn't indicate where in the process it is. No estimated time is given - no remaining packets is given. It would be a nice feature, but the debian programmers are currently busy overhauling the dselect program, this just has to be left as a low priority at the present time. You can always look at the file size change as it comes in. Good. I hope some of the functionality of dselect is put in a library so that there can be several interfaces different from dselect (graphical, web, curses). I prefer dselect over the redhat-stuff only because the redhat-stuff's features are non-existent. Is there any help on getting X installed at all? I'm not sure that it appeared as part of the installation process. I searched around in dselect and by chance found the xbase package. Did you look at the section headings, there are entire sections devoted to X, split up by recommented, optional, and extra divisions. (See above note on dselect overhauling.) Yes, but it's confusing. while undocumented, both dpkg and dpkg-ftp depends on gcc (dpkg-ftp uses dpkg --print-architecture which uses gcc) while undocumented, dpkg depends on perl ( dselect disk installation requires perl) I'll have to double check this (didn't have the phone number of my isp handly while testing the install disk), but I think the base install has enough to start ppp using the pon and poff scripts and use the ftp method of dselect to finish the installation. I'm guessing perl was included with the base disk. I'm not going to try to get you to use debian over red hat, just like I don't try to get my mom to use linux over win 95. The fact that you are using linux and that she is using a computer is good enough. Of course, whenever she has a problem, I just smile, blame windoze, and walk away. Hey don't get me wrong - I wasn't talking about debian as a whole, just that IMO - the installation isn't as good as redhat's and that it should be possible to do something about it. I think ftp installation should be a priority since this often is the only choice except for cd-installations when you're behind a firewall. CD-installations, nfs-installations and mounted installations are trivial anyway so the brains should be used to get the ftp-installation smooth. What about using the freebsd guys DNS-trick - ftp.no.debian.org would point to ftp.nvg.ntnu.no, ftp.uk.debian.org would point to somewhere in the uk etc. That way the novice would only have to know the 3166 code of his country. I think debian has something to learn from the freebsd guys - their installation includes some very nice stuff. Now, talking about debian as a whole, the other point I want to make is that debian is a bit too integrated - that is - the required base of packages is large making a minimum install of debian too large for some uses. Maybe better use of dependencies will fix this. I don't think the package-system should require anything but libc and libdb. If you want an interface, require curses, svgalib or xbase, but separate these interfaces from the dpkg* command-line programs. Perl et.al. shouldn't be required IMO, and dependencies on gcc is definitively not good. I don't even think dpkg should require libg++, but I'll accept it :). Is it a goal for debian not to require perl? I don't think so - and that is one of the things I don't like with debian. It seems that debian is infested with perlism. There are smart perl-scripts doing all sorts of things. I don't want powerful interpreters on my system and definitively not compilers - I regard them as a security risk since I want to set up my systems so that they do not accept the introduction of new executables (mounting noexec, nodev, read-only etc). It doesn't seem to be possible to do that with debian yet. Not that it's possible with redhat either, but the debian policy _should_ be to allow other types of distributions to be made based on the debian-packages. It isn't interesting to use debian-packages without using the package-system for example - so when the package-system is bloated, it just isn't feasible to make a specialized distribution based on debian. I had hoped that debian would stick to the GNU policy of using one implementation language - C, and only use perl as an intermediate step. astor -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Missing packages
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hi, I'm using the hamm-branch of this great distribution and everything has worked generally very well for a development distribution. However, I'm missing at least packages ncurses3.4, libreadlineg2, libkde0 and slang0.99.38. Most programs work when installed with --force-depends, but some, notably gdb segfault. So, where could I get these packages? At the moment I'm using ftp.debian.org and it's mirror in ftp.funet.fi. Regards, Jarno Paananen -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: latin1 iQCVAgUBM7/lv0Ecs4gXx2uhAQGl4QP8DN9aCv6CkPsGHvT5xYQw3UOkwW15ZQ8F tEtZAy5vJvLODWKk48x7HYanjeEzZtvUuNcQxyEV0bKwDaSNdejWH8klu0PjQhGV uzsj+5wyl+bOYWq15P7MUwQrArFZhQUCCwnWe7/QWBx386FF4gjoWviIzKiivM1A lg9uL/FjGQ4= =4uob -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
OFF TOPIC: vi ref card
Hi, All i'm forced to use vi sometimes. Is there any 2-3 pages ref.cards like emacs one ? Any manuals? sincerely OK -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: StarOffice3.1
Is there a deb package out there, or does any one have a diff for alien to install this properly? I installed but had problems, i have to admit i I don't think that .deb package would help much. You just have to unpack the thing in /usr/local (or wherever) and run _per-user_ install. There is one known problem with installation: you have to change the value of LANG environment variable they set in .sd.sh (or .sd.csh) from us to en_US. like micrsoft office 97 ten times better. It takes about 5 minutes to load swriter and about 3 seconds to load word. Try applixware from RedHat. Alex Y. johannes martinez -- _ _( )_ ( (o___ | _ 7 ''' \() (O O) / \ \ +---oOO--(_)+ |\ __/ -- | Alexander Yukhimets [EMAIL PROTECTED] | || | http://pages.nyu.edu/~aqy6633/ | ( / +-oOO---+ \ / |__|__| ) /(_ || || | (___)ooO Ooo \___) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Security hole in Debian's /bin/false?
Jesse Goldman wrote, :true or false. Maybe it's an executable on an Alpha? Yep, it is on a DIGITAL Unix. In fact it is a binary file that returns false (1). Just me, Wire ... -- Tan Wee Yeh [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] For PGP public key : finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP fingerprint = 63 8A 9B 78 3B 1C C2 15 55 EA 2D 42 FF 68 B4 50 -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian Installation experience
Hey don't get me wrong - I wasn't talking about debian as a whole, just that IMO - the installation isn't as good as redhat's and that it should be possible to do something about it. I bought a new hard drive, so I just installed Red Hat and FreeBSD here (no, I'm not switching). I was quite impressed by Red Hat's installation process - very straight forward, and they ask the bare minimum of questions. It's pretty good-looking too. I had to give up on doing an NFS install though - but that might just be because I didn't set up my NFS server correctly (I had to restart every time it didn't work). Their networking setup was really good - but their disk partitioning setup wasn't as easy for a newbie. FreeBSD in comparison was really frustrating - the kernel on the setup disk wouldn't boot on my machine. I ended up installing their development boot disk instead. Then it was fairly straight forward. I found their disk partitioning stuff to be really confusing too. Everybody's installation procedure asks way too many questions, but I guess that's the way it goes... Now, talking about debian as a whole, the other point I want to make is that debian is a bit too integrated - that is - the required base of packages is large making a minimum install of debian too large for some uses. Maybe better use of dependencies will fix this. I don't think the package-system should require anything but libc and libdb. If you want an interface, require curses, svgalib or xbase, but separate these interfaces from the dpkg* command-line programs. Perl et.al. shouldn't be required IMO, and dependencies on gcc is definitively not good. I don't even think dpkg should require libg++, but I'll accept it :). I agree mostly, the Debian base system isn't as clean and as optimized as it could be. But at least it's powerful. :-) Is it a goal for debian not to require perl? I don't think so - and that is one of the things I don't like with debian. It seems that debian is infested with perlism. There are smart perl-scripts doing all sorts of things. All those scripts are helping out with basic system administration. I think that's a good thing. There's a lot of stuff there that I wouldn't want to see written in 'C' or a shell script. Perl is a good choice. And I don't really see it as a security hole (at least the non-suid version). Running a system without compilers and interpreters just seems a little bit too much like the Microsoft style of doing things. And if someone's trying to break your system - that fact that you don't have these compilers and interpreters installed is only going to slow them down, not stop them (only good security will do that). Cheers, - Jim pgpsW9sdNp5gK.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [not really debian, somewhat related] GCC links static
Hello!
i've tried to install hamm over bo, and the install failed (mainly
because i haven't fetched all the right files) ... and i gave up for a
while. but there's a reminescent of the failed install: when i run gcc
(like gcc -o file file.c), it's _statically_ linked to libc. is there any
way to change this to it's normal behaviour (ie., make it link w/ shared
libc)?
Just make sure you've got the same libc6 (or libc5) version as
libc6-dev version installed. That probably fixes your problems.
(and, make sure you do this for every lib*).
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Re: Missing packages
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Hi,
I'm using the hamm-branch of this great distribution and everything
has worked generally very well for a development distribution. However,
I'm missing at least packages ncurses3.4, libreadlineg2, libkde0 and
slang0.99.38. Most programs work when installed with --force-depends,
but some, notably gdb segfault.
So, where could I get these packages? At the moment I'm using
ftp.debian.org and it's mirror in ftp.funet.fi.
They are in master's incoming, waiting for the archive maintainer
to return from holliday.
For the time being, you can try
ftp://rulcmc.leidenuniv.nl/debian/incoming
Regards,
Jarno Paananen
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lK[d2%Sa2/d0$^Ixp|dc`;s/\W//g;$_=pack('H*',/((..)*)$/)
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Re: mc problem - solved.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Randy Edwards) writes: On 6 Jul 1997, Paul Seelig wrote: Note that there is an *unofficial* Debian mc-4.0 binary provided by me available on the regular Midnight Commander FTP sites, which can be installed within the regular Debian package management. Paul, for someone who is ignorant of the regular MC ftp sites (do you mean sunsite or tsx-11?), could you elaborate on where this new *.deb of MC could be located? Thanks in advance. I suppose you could definitely find all necessary information in /usr/doc/mc/README ;-). Anyway, just check out the official MC homepage http://mc.blackdown.org/mc/; for further information. The primary FTP site for MC is ftp://ftp.nuclecu.unam.mx//linux/local/; which contains a subdirectory with binaries for quite some platforms. A debianized source package can be found at our institute's FTP site in ftp://ietpd1.sowi.uni-mainz.de/pub/debian/unofficial/sources/;. According to the official Debian package maintainer Fernando Alegre a debianized source package can be expected at least for unstable in a week or so. But i suppose it'll arrive into incoming first. Cheers, P. *8^) -- Paul Seelig [EMAIL PROTECTED] African Music Archive - Institute for Ethnology and Africa Studies Johannes Gutenberg-University - Forum 6 - 55099 Mainz/Germany My Homepage in the WWW at the URL http://www.uni-mainz.de/~pseelig -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: HELP!!! dpkg messed up X11 (?)
first of all, thanks to the people how tried to help me out with this rather odd problem. i followed the suggestions, but without success - as far as up/downgrading is concerned: my system is a rex/bo mix, and the problems seemed to start when i installed libc5 from hamm - i guess that my mixing of versions was not such a great idea. downgrading libc5 to either the rex or the bo version did not help, as I pointed out before. well, the problem persists, but my weekend is drawing to a close and i'm simply out of time. i'll back up all my important files - when i get a chance, i'll just reinstall the entire system. that's not exactly an elegant solution but it will do for now. again, thanks for the advice, reto -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: mc problem - solved.
[ Redirected to debian.user at Paul Seelig's insistence ] Paul Seelig [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No. New upstream versions do not go into stable without *very* good reason. Well, the current mc-3.5.17 is an *old* development version which has since long been superseded by some 31 following patchlevels including serious bug fixing and quite some very worthy new features culminating into the switch from mc-3.5.48 to mc-4.0. And it's 31 patch levels of new and untested (in Debian) code. Not to mention that if you were to release it it would be a new maintainer and completely new and untested Debian packaging. The latter is an officially released version by the official upstream maintainers and i'm sincerely of the opinion that we shouldn't accept any obsolete devel versions of programs in stable. It's Debian policy (afaik) that as little as possible should go into stable after release, and *definitely* as little as possible, if any, new upstream releases. (The only exception to this is major security holes, which is why xfree 3.3 might/will be going into bo-updates) -- James -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: I broke 'whatis'. How do I fix it?
On Sun, 6 Jul 1997 12:23:36 +, Christian Hudon wrote: On Jul 5, Dave Cinege wrote I don't know how the hell I did it, but I broke whatis. Whereis works. But whatis always returns Nothing appropriate. Whatis works on all my other machines. This machine is a clean 1.3.0 install, but I have installed quite a bit of extra junk. Try doing mandb -c to rebuild the database used by man and whatis. If Nope. that doesn't work, you might want to try reinstalling the mandb package. By itself didn't do it either. I ran 'mandb -c' again after the reinstall and that fixed it. Thanks. -- Elite MicroComputers 908-541-4214 http://www.psychosis.com/emc/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: mc problem - solved.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (James Troup) writes: [ Redirected to debian.user at Paul Seelig's insistence ] Thanks a lot! :-) Paul Seelig [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, the current mc-3.5.17 is an *old* development version which has since long been superseded by some 31 following patchlevels including serious bug fixing and quite some very worthy new features culminating into the switch from mc-3.5.48 to mc-4.0. And it's 31 patch levels of new and untested (in Debian) code. Not to mention that if you were to release it it would be a new maintainer and completely new and untested Debian packaging. I'd rather see it the other way round. There are 31 patch levels of serious bug fixing absent from the current Debian package of Midnight Commander. Guess why i upgraded MC on my own? Because the official maintainer didn't seem to care about the bug fix releases of the upstream developers and i didn't want to accept working with an obsolete development version of MC. My unofficial package is almost completely based on the official maintainers Debian packaging. BTW it is out of question that i'd release a new official mc-4.0 package as a new maintainer. There is already a maintainer responsible for the mc package and i do accept that he wants to keep it. But i'd wish he kept his maintenance more oriented toward current upstream releases of MC. It's Debian policy (afaik) that as little as possible should go into stable after release, and *definitely* as little as possible, if any, new upstream releases. This is very wise but i'd expect as well that stable should feature in any case released full versions of software instead of obsolete development releases. Like i already stated above serious bugfixing has resulted into mc-4.0 and it is IMHO necessary to make an upgrade release of mc to the officially released and officially approved final release of the MC development team. Thank you, P. *8^) -- Paul Seelig [EMAIL PROTECTED] African Music Archive - Institute for Ethnology and Africa Studies Johannes Gutenberg-University - Forum 6 - 55099 Mainz/Germany My Homepage in the WWW at the URL http://www.uni-mainz.de/~pseelig -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Total Newbie partition question
I've read the HOWTO's and some other info, but it seems that this topic is sort of glossed over, and I have never really understood exactly what to do, so I wonder if someone could give me the total newbie answer to this question: What to I do with extended and logical partitions when I have three physical paritions on my drive already? In other words, I have hda1,hda2,hda3, and I would like to add more than hda4. Assuming I am using fdisk, how to I properly add the logical partitions? Do I make the remaining drive space an extended partition and then add logical paritions there? Am I mixing up the terms? I most likely missed the sentence or two that describes this, so if this information is in some obvious place, forgive me (and please point me at it...). I sheepishly tried adding an extended partition, but I wasn't exactly sure where to go, so I backed out and didn't write the disk. Thanks -dh -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
