Sudo vs. Super
The subject line of this message is pretty self explanatory. Anyone have any idea of the relative strengths and weaknesses of these 2 products? Dave Neuer -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Administration question
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I am running a Debian system right now as a web development staging server. > At > present, it is only on a local network, but could conceivably become a gateway > to the Internet as well. So for the time being, it is basically a two-user > system (me and my wife). > > I am teaching my wife to do web development, and would like her to be able to > use the Linux system. This includes having her be able to shut the system > down > when she's done using it (we can't afford to leave this old 486 system running > without a pretty heavy subsidy from the electric co!). My wife is not a real > experienced computer user in general, and she has NO UNIX experience > whatsoever. > Needless to say, I'm not really crazy about the idea of giving her root > access, > lest some simple mistake hose the system completely. > > What would be the best way to enable her to run the shutdown command, without > creating a giant security hole which might bite me in the @*% should this > machine ever become a gateway? My thoughts up to this point: > > 1) Creating a group consisting of my wife and myself, and doing a setuid and > chmod 710 on the shutdown command itself, and changing group ownership to the > group with me and her in it. > > 2) Creating a group consisting of my wife and myself, and writing a script > which executes the shutdown command, then setting the ownership for the script > to root, group ownership on the script to our group, and doing a setuid on > just > the script. I prefer #1 because setuid scripts are always a poor idea. If the script is in suidperl (or is it perlsuid?), I'd object less (and in a pinch I might even do #2 for quickness, given proper signal handling at the top of the script). In short, I guess I'm saying Do it the way you know best; just make sure you handle all interupts at the top of your code and THINK about what you're doing and the order you do it in. > > It seems to me that the second option is the best as I don't have to monkey > around with the permissions on the command. Is the second any more of a > security concern than the first, or, as I assume, less? Say my wife's user > password is ridiculously easy to guess; do these give the same amount of > system > access to the person who cracks into her account? > > Does anyone know of a better way to do this? > > -- > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- - Ralph Winslow [EMAIL PROTECTED] The IQ of the group is that of the member whose IQ is lowest divided by the number of members. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Problem upgrading Debian
Greetings, I have several different problems occurring. 1. I choose the linux source from dselect and it says there is nothing to get. 2. I use ftp.debian.org for the ftp source and I get a broken channel during the execution of the scripts for d/l'ing. I used to be able to get the source on previous versions. I am currently on 3.0. Oh, another problem is I can choose and download Apache but when it tries to process the pkg it aborts during the execution of the script. Any help would be appreciated. -- Tim -- Timothy G. Wells Good News Internet Services E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 513-662-4443 Web: www.goodnews.net FAX: 513-662-8461 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: missing cua*
On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, David Wright wrote: > On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, Joost Kooij wrote: > > > > [ regarding where to put "isapnp /etc/isapnp.conf" and other > > > initialization commands to configure it every time debian boots ] > > > > Maybe /etc/init.d/boot ? > > No, /etc/init.d/boot exists, and therefore cannot be changed (or upgrading > becomes a pain). I think the Debian place is in /etc/rc.boot in which > everything runs at boot time, but never again. Thus 0setserial, > keyboardrate, etc. I gave a wrong advice and you correctly pointed me at that, thanks. This is a quote from /etc/init.d/boot that explains: # # Run the package-specific boot scripts in /etc/rc.boot. # run-parts /etc/rc.boot I guess customizations should be placed there too. However, upon further inspection of /etc/init.d/boot I found: # # Configure the isa plug and play boards before loading # modules. Need to do this before loading modules to get # a chance of configuring and starting PnP boards before # the drivers mess all this up. # if [ -x /etc/init.d/isapnp ] then /etc/init.d/isapnp start fi This is done even before the call to "run-parts /etc/rc/boot". I think that answers the second question in the original message; examining /etc/init.d/isapnp it shows: #! /bin/sh # /etc/init.d/isapnp: configure Plug and Play boards test -x /sbin/isapnp || exit 0 /sbin/isapnp /etc/isapnp.conf exit 0 So, everything is already configured (except for the actual /etc/isapnp.conf maybe) after you install the isapnp package. Joost -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Administration question
> > What would be the best way to enable her to run the shutdown command, without > creating a giant security hole which might bite me in the @*% should this > machine ever become a gateway? My thoughts up to this point: > > 1) Creating a group consisting of my wife and myself, and doing a setuid and > chmod 710 on the shutdown command itself, and changing group ownership to the > group with me and her in it. > Not a bad idea - though anyone who can crack into the system *could* gain access to this one commend. > 2) Creating a group consisting of my wife and myself, and writing a script > which executes the shutdown command, then setting the ownership for the script > to root, group ownership on the script to our group, and doing a setuid on > just > the script. > Linux doesn't support suid on scripts - it's *that* big of a security hole! A wrapper program would be more like it. > It seems to me that the second option is the best as I don't have to monkey > around with the permissions on the command. Is the second any more of a > security concern than the first, or, as I assume, less? Say my wife's user > password is ridiculously easy to guess; do these give the same amount of > system access to the person who cracks into her account? > > Does anyone know of a better way to do this? > Yes! Try using sudo or super. They allow ordinary users to have access to specific system level programs without monkeying around with permissions. I've used sudo for a long time and am happy with the access it allows. Super may be even easier to use, I'm not sure. Another way that I've seen systems handle this - not advocating it - just mentioning... is to have a shutdown user (w/ a password of course) that runs the shutdown command upon login. If this user has root equivalent authority (the SCO systems I've seen with this are user=0, group=0... shudder...) then just logging in will bring the system down. It's an option - not a very good one, but an option. Chuck -- Chuck Stickelman, Owner E-Mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Practical Network DesignVoice: (419) 529-3841 9 Chambers Road FAX:(419) 529-3625 Mansfield, OH 44906-1302 USA -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Unknown PCI device (8086:7100 and others)
> It seems as if the mother board is a bit too new, > 7100-7113 and 1300 is unknown. I also had trouble like this (I don't remember the specific unknown numbers; the machine was a new Dec Venturis FX-2 with Pentium MMX). It disappeared when I installed Linus's (then-) latest patch, pre-2.0.31-6. It seems that he included a lot more pci devices there. The real question is > Can I ignore the warnings? And the answer from me is, I wish I knew! Our machine appeared to work fine despite the unknown devices. --Pete -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Administration question
On Fri, 15 Aug 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > What would be the best way to enable her to run the shutdown command, without > creating a giant security hole which might bite me in the @*% should this > machine ever become a gateway? My thoughts up to this point: Why don't you use sudo? It allows you to execute root commands as a normal user. I believe you can (as root) specify which users are allowed to do which commands in the /etc/sudoers file. We have a .deb of sudo someplace ... hit www.debian.org and find it. Will --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cis.udel.edu/~lowe/ For PGP Public Key, visit my website. --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Administration question
Why not just tell her to use Control-Alt-Delete to shut down the system? Debian will perform an orderly shutdown and reboot the machine, at which time it can be safely powered off. No magic necessary. Regards, Jeff -- Make it idiot-proof, and someone will breed a better idiot. PGP mail welcome! Visit http://www.planetfall.com/pgp.html for my PGP key. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Administration question
I am running a Debian system right now as a web development staging server. At present, it is only on a local network, but could conceivably become a gateway to the Internet as well. So for the time being, it is basically a two-user system (me and my wife). I am teaching my wife to do web development, and would like her to be able to use the Linux system. This includes having her be able to shut the system down when she's done using it (we can't afford to leave this old 486 system running without a pretty heavy subsidy from the electric co!). My wife is not a real experienced computer user in general, and she has NO UNIX experience whatsoever. Needless to say, I'm not really crazy about the idea of giving her root access, lest some simple mistake hose the system completely. What would be the best way to enable her to run the shutdown command, without creating a giant security hole which might bite me in the @*% should this machine ever become a gateway? My thoughts up to this point: 1) Creating a group consisting of my wife and myself, and doing a setuid and chmod 710 on the shutdown command itself, and changing group ownership to the group with me and her in it. 2) Creating a group consisting of my wife and myself, and writing a script which executes the shutdown command, then setting the ownership for the script to root, group ownership on the script to our group, and doing a setuid on just the script. It seems to me that the second option is the best as I don't have to monkey around with the permissions on the command. Is the second any more of a security concern than the first, or, as I assume, less? Say my wife's user password is ridiculously easy to guess; do these give the same amount of system access to the person who cracks into her account? Does anyone know of a better way to do this? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Debian is a great distribution
I just finished installing Debian 1.3.1 on my home pc. With just a handful of floppies with images and packages downloaded from the internet I was able to successfully compile a customized kernel and connect to the internet with ppp on the first try. Now with dftp and/or dpkg-ftp and/or dselect I will be able to add more packages and keep them up to date quite easily. This is a much better mechanism than any other distribution I've tried. I like dselect too. It gives me a great amount of control and manages dependencies. I like it better than the mechanisms I use for SunOS, Solaris, and AIX. I also like the way restricted license software is clearly indicated. It will be quite easy to keep my machine 100% legal using Debian. I started using Linux in '92 so I didn't have to deal with the constant onslaught of low cost upgrades every few months. It just keeps getting better. Thanks to all who make this possible. Stephen -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: xfree3.3 & german keyb & /usr ro
Thomas Degner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > hallo, > > i recognized that the "german keyboard extensions" > of Xfree 3.3 won't work when /usr is mounted readonly. > > [deleted some infos about system] > > X complains that it cannot use the "compliled keyboard > map" (i don't have the exact message here). > > X tries to write into > > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/compiled > > which is readonly. > > my suggestion is to link this directory > to the /var file system, e.g. > > ln -s /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/compiled /var/..???...compiled > > any comments, suggestions ? This seems to be a good idea. Even the README file it that directory tells that this directory needs write access at any time. Torsten -- "What a depressingly stupid machine" The Restaurant at the End of the Universe PGP Public Key is available -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: samba host name
Paul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I don't want to use my host name as my samba name... how can I change > samba to use a different name? I didn't find anything in the smb.conf man > page. > > I'm currently loading samba 1.9.16p11 from the inetd.conf file. Take a look at the -n option of nmbd. Another good parameter is -H if you want to set additional names the server should reply to. => man nmbd Torsten -- "What a depressingly stupid machine" The Restaurant at the End of the Universe PGP Public Key is available -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
socksified clients
Are tcp/ip clients (ftp, telnet, ...) already socksified in Debian 1.3.1? My tcp/ip connection is behind a firewall that uses CSTC version 4.2beta. What do I need to do to get through it to the internet? So far I have only found information on setting up a Linux machine to be a firewall. Stephen -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
majordomo problems..
Hi, I'm using majordomo_1.94.1-7. I can do 'who', 'help', 'subscribe', but when I try a 'unsubscribe list email' I (lit owner) receive the following mail: Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 15:33:55 -0300 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo) -- MAJORDOMO ABORT (mj_majordomo)!! chown(0, 106, "/var/lib/majordomo/lists/instalacao.new"): Operation not permitted -- END [stress]:~# cat /etc/passwd |grep majordom majordom:*:106:106::/usr/lib/majordomo:/bin/false [stress]:~# ls -l /var/lib/majordomo/lists/instalacao.new -rw-rw-r-- 1 majordom majordom0 Aug 15 15:33 /var/lib/majordomo/lists/instalacao.new With majordomo_1.93-3 everything works fine. TIA. Carlos Marcos Kakihara (bacate) Escola de Engenharia de Piracicaba (EEP) Departamento de Informatica e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
RE: problems with X in debian 1.3
excerpt from a recent rant: >>There are *still* bugs in the 1.3 installation >(such as the problems with X). Are the X problems in 1.3 documented anywhere? I am about to try configuring/running X on a new 1.3.1 installation and would appreciate any pointers here. (I have an ATI WinTurbo (MACH64) video accelerator.) Thanks, John Cook > -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Is this the Debian Philosophy? (or.... $#@!@#$ bash 2.0!)
(time to do some apologizing)
> This really annoys me. (No, not you Jason.) I agree that we have to
> move on the the next distribution, but given the fact that
> *most* debian 1.3.1 users use netscape
> and that *most* of those folks will want
> to use a plug-in, I think this bug merits an upgrade to 2.01 bash
> for 1.3.1? If a really .deb upgrade is not the answer, can we create
> a special upgrade on ftp.debian.org where I can upload a 2.01 bash
> that I've built for 1.3.1?
Does bash 2.01 solve the problem? We do update 'stable' - we're
currently debating that strategy on the debian-private (developers only)
mailing list right now. If bash 2.0 is sufficiently broken, then that might
merit putting 2.01 into 'stable'.
> In fact while I'm at it let me expand on this general point. Let me
> say first that I marvel at the (apparent?) organization inherent in
> the debian development "system". Even though there are many maintainers
> everyone seems to be on the same page. However, I disagree with the
> philosophy of fixing bugs in "old" distributions. Who decides when a
> bug is important enough to be rolled back into an old distribution.
Basically the maintainer of the package does (so take up the issue
with him). I'm basically opposed to upgrading the 'stable' distribution
after it's been released -- except for packages that have security
flaws or were released in a 'broken' state (we shouldn't be doing that).
If someone really needs the bash 2.01 version - they can always install
it out of 'unstable' (along with libc6). No problem.
> I use debian at home and at work. For home use, I like to be on the
> cutting edge. At work, my job is developing software for
> clients, not being a systems administrator. I want a distribution
> which is easy to maintain and as well thought out as debian. Currently,
> soon after a distribution has been released (this happened for 1.2
> as well as 1.3) it is abandoned by the developers. There are *still*
> bugs in the 1.3 installation (such as the problems with X). And why
> the hell was X 3.3 tossed in at the last minute? The 3.2 dist. didn't
> even install right.
Well, a whole bunch of security bugs popped up at the last minute.
XFree is one of the biggest packages, so the X maintainer was swamped.
It was a lot less work to package up the just-released 3.3 version.
Unfortunately, all of this happened just as Debian 1.3 was being
released. There was no opportunity to thoroughly test it in unstable.
The other major problem is that we are allowing broken packages into
'stable'. There was also a problem where nobody realized that some of
the X install bugs should have been 'critical'. I'm going to propose
a new system for releasing things into stable that will solve these
problems for the next major release.
> What's the focus here? Is debian trying to be a
> solid system or a cutting edge system.
Both. But the 'stable' release should focus on being solid - and the
'unstable' working version should focus on being cutting edge. That
way, somebody that is sticking with 'stable' will be assured of having
a solid system that is only 6 months behind the 'bleeding edge'.
Think of most of the Debian developers as people who are willing to
live with the 'bleeding edge' and try to work out the bugs. The 'unstable'
distribution can be quite unstable at times (I lost the data on my
hard drive to one bug).
Stability and being on the 'cutting edge' are mutually exclusive -- until
a lot of work is done to fix bugs. We have 200 developers to do the work,
which might sound like a lot, but it isn't. Nobody's doing this
full-time as far as I know (although it may seem like it).
> Paragraph 4 of the Debain
> Social Contract ("Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software")
> states (whole P not quoted),
>
>"To support these goals, we will provide an integrated system of
> high-quality, 100% free software, with no legal restrictions that
> would prevent these kinds of use.
>
> I find that while the quality of distributions is generally "high"
> the emphasis from the developers is more on "let's get that hot new
> release going" rather than "let's get all the bugs out of this latest
> distribution and make it completely solid".
That rings true. Basically 'stable' is a snapshot of 'unstable' at a
point in time where the developers have all taken a hiatus from adding
new features, and concentrated on fixing bugs. Overworked (or absent)
developers might not be able to participate fully in the release
effort, and we only have cursory checks (Dale Sheetz and Brian White
+ their helpers), so bugs slip through.
I don't think we have any developers actively working to improve
'unstable'. That's a good thing - who'd do the testing?
I'll admit that our testing/releasing procedures could (and will) be
improved. Debian 1.3 is really only the 3rd major release we've done
(my 2nd). We're still learning. Being the distributed bunch of
volunte
Re: Storing XVidtune changes...
At 01:09 PM 8/15/97 -0400, Vern Hamberg wrote: >I thought xvidtune had an option to modify xf86config. Do you know how to use that option? Just wondering. I can check when I get home, if not. Later, Marc -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Storing XVidtune changes...
> What is the easiest way to store changes that are made with xvidtune? Click on the `show' button and it will spit out a line like: "1600x1200" 202.50 1600 1664 1856 2160 1200 1201 1204 1250 +hsync +vsync which you then edit into /etc/XF86Config at the `right' place, replacing the alreading existing line for, say, the "1600x1200" label. -- Peter Galbraith, research scientist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Maurice-Lamontagne Institute, Department of Fisheries and Oceans Canada P.O. Box 1000, Mont-Joli Qc, G5H 3Z4 Canada 418-775-0852 - FAX 418-775-0546 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Adding helpers in Netscape
On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, Jason Killen wrote: > Ash seems to be working great. Thanks for the info. Not a problem. Will [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cis.udel.edu/~lowe/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Laptop for Linux Debian
> "dale" == Dale Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > David M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> If one were to buy a laptop these days what would be a >> good brand that is widely supported by Linux (Debian)? > As someone else mentioned, I had to install off of CD in > order to get PCMCIA support, to get network support. But > the CD only cost $10, or whatever, so it's not too big of a > deal in my mind. On the other hand, a cdrom on a laptop costs a lot more than $10. I've installed Debian 1.3 on my laptop using pcmcia and ftp (via ethernet) with no problems. You'll need to install the pcmcia package(s) before you can do that. This was simple to do with a floppy - not much different than the base floppy install. I have some notes detailing the installation on a laptop at http://www.npl.uiuc.edu/~miller/linux/debain-notes.html>. They deal with Debian 1.2, but I have Debian 1.3 laptop installation notes that I keep meaning to type up. I'll do that rsn. Mike -- Michael A. Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nuclear Physics Lab, University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign PGP public key available on request -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: /etc/init.d structure [long rant]
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: >On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, Dima wrote: > >> Also, runlevels _are flexible. Nobody can force me to start networking >> daemons at RL 2 -- I can bloody well start them from ip-up when I ring my >> ISP, at whatever runlevel I happen to be then. (In practice I don't care: >> when I don't need networking daemons, they waste about $0.5 worth of my >> swap partition. Big deal). >> >This is a different thing all together. What you are doing is saying that >runlevels are not flexible enough to handle your networking daemon >requirements, so you'r gonna do it manualy. You are just saying that they >are flexible because you don't have to use them. What I meant was, let's say on my box I have runlevels 0 - 2 for powerdown (you're quite right about that not belonging in rl 5, btw), halt and reboot, rl 3 = single-user, 4 = multi-user and 5 = multi-user with xdm running. I'm not concerned with, e.g. networking daemons. A person configuring web/mail/newsserver would be concerned with the order in which daemons are started, and s/he would edit rls 4 - 6 accordingly. S/he doesn't care about xdm. On, say, a router programs running at rls 4 - 6 will be different again. What remains is the order in which various programs are started/killed; I think that can easily fit into a stack-like thingy (or a state machine, for that matter). We don't know which exactly "various programs" they'll happen to be on a given machine; we can, however, provide a reasonable, easy to modify default. Anyway, I'd prefer any (open would be nice) standard, as long as it's supported by at least 3 - 4 different unices. As long as it's not a single program group called "startup"... :) -- Dimitri --- By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meet the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment. By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation. (Solicited advertisements and other such can be sent to emaziuk at curtin dot edu dot au) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Storing XVidtune changes...
At 01:17 PM 8/15/97 -0400, you wrote: >What is the easiest way to store changes that are made with xvidtune? I used >it to setup X the way that I like it, and I would like the changes to become >permanent. Any help or pointers would be greatly appreciated. > >Thanks, >Marc I thought xvidtune had an option to modify xf86config. Cheers Vernon Hamberg System Software Programmer Old Republic National Title Insurance Company 400 Second Avenue South Minneapolis, MN 55401 (612) 371- x480 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Is this the Debian Philosophy? (or.... $#@!@#$ bash 2.0!)
"Jens B. Jorgensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > This really annoys me. (No, not you Jason.) I agree that we have to > move on the the next distribution, but given the fact that > *most* debian 1.3.1 users use netscape > and that *most* of those folks will > want to use a plug-in, I think this bug merits an upgrade to 2.01 > bash for 1.3.1? I don't... Here's my slant on Bash 2.01 (since we seem to be into rants) * 2.01 is a lot of new and untested code Already, afaik, at least two bugs have been found, one is the segfault on declare -p and the other a really nasty bug in libreadline which causes a segfault on tab completion in a number of the programs which use libreadline. The Debian policy of "no new code, expect for urgent security fixes" in stable, is IMHO, a good one. If it weren't for that, these bugs might have been discovered in the "stable" Debian 1.3.x tree. * 2.01-0.1 is a *non-maintainer* release About when 2.01 was released the real maintainer, Guy Maor, was off on a month along (announced) holiday. I did 2.01 because it fixed the set -a; set +a man bug and because I urgently wanted a libc6 libreadline. (I don't use netscape and barely knew about the ``bug'', never mind cared about it). I am not the real maintainer for a very good reason (apart from that there already is a maintainer), I wasn't able to port all the changes Guy had done to bash 2.0's libreadline to bash 2.01's libreadline or adapt one of his security fixes for bash itself. What I did do in the end worked, and would do for a while *in unstable*, until Guy got back and could fix my kludged solution. Guy is of course back, but he's been even more busy than usual with the move of master, so he hasn't done a proper release yet. The two reasons above are two good reasons why there is no bash 2.01 in stable. Even if the second one is fixed by Guy doing a proper release, I'm still of the opinion that there is too much new and untested code in bash 2.01 for it to go into stable (the two bugs found so far being excellent arguments for that position). You just cannot put untested code into a stable tree and have it cause gdb, es, etc. to segfault on . That is _not_ stable. -- James -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Storing XVidtune changes...
What is the easiest way to store changes that are made with xvidtune? I used it to setup X the way that I like it, and I would like the changes to become permanent. Any help or pointers would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Marc -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Update: olvwm and openwin-menu
Hi Tibor, Hi Everyone - Tibor Simko wrote: > > hi > > i like olvwm too. after the installation, the system-wide > menu worked for me right out of the box, after the right > mouse button click... so you must have done something > bizzare during the installation ?! > > best wishes Mmmhhh, maybe I did do something bizzare during the installation - so I reinstalled olvwm and set OLWMMENU to /etc/X11/olvwm/openwin-menu. Well, it still didn't work. So then (I don't know why...) I thought it may work if I start X11 using the startx command rather than xdm - and that actually did it !?!?!? I now have a wonderful workspace menu. So basically, I am happy now, but it would be nice to use xdm after all - does anyone have an idea why olwm and xdm don't get along? - Reto -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Is this the Debian Philosophy? (or.... $#@!@#$ bash 2.0!)
"Jens B. Jorgensen" wrote: > Who decides when a > bug is important enough to be rolled back into an old distribution[?] After a few months of using Debian, I don't know the answer to that. I don't even know *if* distributions are updated after release. Is 1.3.1 supposed to be a stable upgrade to 1.3 in the same way that the Linux kernel 2.0.30 is a stable upgrade to 2.0.29? If so, will 1.3.2 be released to fix bugs in 1.3.1 while developpers are working on Debian 2.0? The FAQ (9.2 How can I keep my Debian system current?) talks about tracking the Debian archive, so I assume that having Debian 1.3 doesn't really mean anything unless I also say it's 1.3 dated from . Perhaps the upgrade scheme and version number scheme should be explained in www.debian.org somewhere, or perhaps I have missed something critical about Debian that I should know but don't. -- Peter Galbraith, research scientist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Maurice-Lamontagne Institute, Department of Fisheries and Oceans Canada P.O. Box 1000, Mont-Joli Qc, G5H 3Z4 Canada 418-775-0852 - FAX 418-775-0546 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Is this the Debian Philosophy? (or.... $#@!@#$ bash 2.0!)
Dear Jens and other Debianers: > ... >"To support these goals, we will provide an integrated system of > high-quality, 100% free software, with no legal restrictions that > would prevent these kinds of use. > > I find that while the quality of distributions is generally "high" > the emphasis from the developers is more on "let's get that hot new > release going" rather than "let's get all the bugs out of this latest > distribution and make it completely solid". I'm currently using "old" S.u.S.E. Linux at home and going to update it to ELF based new version of Linux. I would like to know the main advantages of Debian Linux over other distributions such as Red Hat, etc. Any idea? -Lingran ** Lingran Chen, Ph.D. Senior Scientific Programmer MDL Information Systems, Inc. 14600 Catalina Street San Leandro CA 94577 Phone: (510) 895-1313, Ext. 1305 FAX: (510) 614-3616 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://www.mdli.com http://syngen2.chem.brandeis.edu/~chen/lingran.html ** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Adding helpers in Netscape
Ash seems to be working great. Thanks for the info. In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you w rote: >On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, Jason Killen wrote: > >> sh: -c: line 1: missing closing ')' for arithmetic expression >> sh: -c: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token ';' >> sh: -c: line 1: '((/usr/local/bin/realaudio/raplayer /tmp/file.ram); rm /tmp >/file.ram )&' > >This is a result of the bash 2.00 bug. You might try: > >1) using/installing ash from 1.3.1 > Notes: I don't know if it suffers from the same bug. > You'll have to make a symlink from /bin/sh to ash, > wherever ash is (probably /usr/bin/, but I might be wrong) > >2) upgrading to bash 2.01 from hamm > Notes: I _know_ it doesn't suffer from the same bug. Haven't > found any other bugs, either. >You'll have to upgrade to libc6 from unstable, also, so > you'll need to read the mini-howto that was posted > this morning. If you don't have a copy, I'll > mail you one. It's painless if you follow the > directions. > > > Will > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.cis.udel.edu/~lowe/ -- Jason Killen Question Stupidity Mama's don't let your babies grow up to be Linux hackers Monolith : the new ANSI standard for humans PGP fingerprint = 64 71 48 14 31 AE C6 70 E4 4F 64 EB 3B AA 00 6B [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cs.wcu.edu/~jkillen -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
lsz 0.11 for Debian GNU/Linux
I would like to discuss with someone who is interested, the usage of the lsz download command. If you write me back personally at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I will fill you in on the particulars of my system and the problems I am encountering. Thanks in advance Bob Sylvester -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Is this the Debian Philosophy? (or.... $#@!@#$ bash 2.0!)
Jason Killen wrote:
>
> I have gotten the real audio player for linux and tried to set up netscape
> to use the player but when I click on a real audio file netscape gives me
> this error message
>
> sh: -c: line 1: missing closing ')' for arithmetic expression
> sh: -c: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token ';'
> sh: -c: line 1: '((/usr/local/bin/realaudio/raplayer /tmp/file.ram); rm
> /tmp/file.ram )&'
>
> (Yes I changed the file names)
>
> I don't use sh/bash much so I don't really understand the error.
>
> Can anyone toss me some pointers or ideas??
>
This really annoys me. (No, not you Jason.) I agree that we have to
move on the the next distribution, but given the fact that
*most* debian 1.3.1 users use netscape
and that *most* of those folks will want
to use a plug-in, I think this bug merits an upgrade to 2.01 bash
for 1.3.1? If a really .deb upgrade is not the answer, can we create
a special upgrade on ftp.debian.org where I can upload a 2.01 bash
that I've built for 1.3.1?
In fact while I'm at it let me expand on this general point. Let me
say first that I marvel at the (apparent?) organization inherent in
the debian development "system". Even though there are many maintainers
everyone seems to be on the same page. However, I disagree with the
philosophy of fixing bugs in "old" distributions. Who decides when a
bug is important enough to be rolled back into an old distribution.
I use debian at home and at work. For home use, I like to be on the
cutting edge. At work, my job is developing software for
clients, not being a systems administrator. I want a distribution
which is easy to maintain and as well thought out as debian. Currently,
soon after a distribution has been released (this happened for 1.2
as well as 1.3) it is abandoned by the developers. There are *still*
bugs in the 1.3 installation (such as the problems with X). And why
the hell was X 3.3 tossed in at the last minute? The 3.2 dist. didn't
even install right. What's the focus here? Is debian trying to be a
solid system or a cutting edge system. Paragraph 4 of the Debain
Social Contract ("Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software")
states (whole P not quoted),
"To support these goals, we will provide an integrated system of
high-quality, 100% free software, with no legal restrictions that
would prevent these kinds of use.
I find that while the quality of distributions is generally "high"
the emphasis from the developers is more on "let's get that hot new
release going" rather than "let's get all the bugs out of this latest
distribution and make it completely solid".
If this isn't what debian's about then I'm sorry for making all this
trouble. I'll shut up and go get Caldera. It's just a shame that the
distribution which I think has the most going for it technically and
produces a distribution so easy to maintain can't achieve this level
of quality.
Alright, that's just about enough out of me.
--
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Re: system rescued, some quirks left
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On 14 Aug 1997, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > One problem is left... some of the new installed packages fail to > post-install (dosemu for example) cause the command > > suidregister > or > suidunregister > > is not found, but needed by the script. > > These commands are actually not here, I tried in a shell. I > re-installed all base packages with dpkg and there a no dependency > problems anymore. > > In which package can I find the above two commands? suidmanager Any package that doesn't put the suid(un)register commands in a conditional statement should have a bug report filed against it, although you may want to check that the package in unstable has the bug too before reporting it. - -- | Live never to be ashamed if anything Scott K. Ellis | you do or say is published around the world -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | even if what is published is not true. | -- Illusions -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM/SBWaCk2fENdzpVAQHwVAP/b+8Bb8zL9baE/25b7PEGgDgJK/yEy6qQ Tp1QbD37MvobL4bPFcMmYPVv73BBRtHWXbB9opyjwWgw2Or/E0xSszjYAgZEMklT xa7Wm0NjQ+A+5JK8rOEhqeM3w2LLH9zUK7bHzVK+8HQlNeYY798Ithho75Uv1X11 mO+MyRimxj8= =3mly -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
system rescued, some quirks left
Hi! I rescued that debian i386 system by doing somewhat like a complete reinstall of Debian 1.3 stable. I have learned my lesson and will not use unstable anymore for a computer that I need for work. (I had to re-install cause I forget the printed-out descriptions from some of you how to fix debian at home, shame on me... I did not remember how to do it correctly.) One problem is left... some of the new installed packages fail to post-install (dosemu for example) cause the command suidregister or suidunregister is not found, but needed by the script. These commands are actually not here, I tried in a shell. I re-installed all base packages with dpkg and there a no dependency problems anymore. In which package can I find the above two commands? -- |_| _ |o _ _ Martin Steigerwald | |(/_||(_)_> http://home.pages.de/~helios -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: /etc/init.d structure [even longer rant]
I've been following the conversation on run-levels and /etc/rc?.d and
have a couple of comments to make.
First, we need to recognize that each approach has it's own strengths
and weaknesses. No matter which solution is chosen, there will be
some trade offs.
Second, I think we need to separate implementation from the interface.
Whether Debian stays with the current behavior, adopts a State machine
approach, or a Stack of States approach, is independent of the interface
provided to the packages.
The single-file interface to run-levels makes sense to me. It is often
better to have information centrally located. It certainly can ease
administration. I think having a utility that reads one file in order
to manipulate the various files and links associated with the numerous
run-levels makes sense. Having one config file means that the package
maintainer, or installer, or the system administrator only has to tell
Debian *what* they want and let Debian determine *how* to do it.
It's the same philosophy we use for adding users and groups - the
package maintainer doesn't create the home directories, the sys admin
doesn't add entries to /etc/password - Debian does that for them.
This is a sound philosophy that I think needs to be exploited more.
If Debian makes it easy for packages (or maintainers, or installers)
to select the desired run levels for a given service, then how it's
implemented becomes less of an issue for the end-user. The fact is,
the end-user often doesn't care *how* things are done -they just want
to use the tools to meet their personal or business objectives. By
objectives I mean getting connected to the Internet, or running
in a GUI environment, or being able to create correspondences, etc.
We may find that we need to extend the definition of Package as seen
by Debian to allow for this. Several packages need files/devices in
/dev, several add/change environment variables, some add services that
are controlled by inetd, others provided services that are run-level
specific, and the list goes no... To date, the only way we have of
consistently applying these requirements is at a file level of granularity
- maybe that's not appropriate. Perhaps we need to look at a consistent
way for packages to indicate to Debian what services (for lack of a
better word) are needed.
Examples of my rantings:
Instead of packages running mknod to create entries in /dev, have them
tell update-mkdev (a utility I'm working on) to add entries to the files
/etc/{devinfo,makedev.cfg} and then call makedev.
Instead of packages creating the links and files for the various run-levels,
or even requiring the packages to manipulate the run-level information with
calls to update-rc.d, have the package instruct a utility to edit *one* file
in /etc and then call update-rc.d to implement those changes.
(Come to think about it, this is exactly the sort of thing that is done
with /etc/inittab - and for the same reasons - we edit one file, with or
without the help of an additional utility, and then call a program to
implement those changes (ie. telinit -q) The same can be said about how
Unix'es handle /etc/crontab - edit *one* file then (optionally) run a
utility to implement those changes (ie. the crontab command))
The same could be done with the Environment variables (also a project I'm
working on, and about to propose to debian-devel).
Yes, this does add a level of indirection. Yes, this does start doing things
differently than they have been traditionally done. Yes, there are some
trade-offs involved. However, they may also allow for simpler administration,
and easier configuration. These benefits can outweigh the negative issues.
Chuck
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Re: Adding helpers in Netscape
On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, Jason Killen wrote: > sh: -c: line 1: missing closing ')' for arithmetic expression > sh: -c: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token ';' > sh: -c: line 1: '((/usr/local/bin/realaudio/raplayer /tmp/file.ram); rm > /tmp/file.ram )&' This is a result of the bash 2.00 bug. You might try: 1) using/installing ash from 1.3.1 Notes: I don't know if it suffers from the same bug. You'll have to make a symlink from /bin/sh to ash, wherever ash is (probably /usr/bin/, but I might be wrong) 2) upgrading to bash 2.01 from hamm Notes: I _know_ it doesn't suffer from the same bug. Haven't found any other bugs, either. You'll have to upgrade to libc6 from unstable, also, so you'll need to read the mini-howto that was posted this morning. If you don't have a copy, I'll mail you one. It's painless if you follow the directions. Will [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cis.udel.edu/~lowe/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Adding helpers in Netscape
I have gotten the real audio player for linux and tried to set up netscape to use the player but when I click on a real audio file netscape gives me this error message sh: -c: line 1: missing closing ')' for arithmetic expression sh: -c: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token ';' sh: -c: line 1: '((/usr/local/bin/realaudio/raplayer /tmp/file.ram); rm /tmp/file.ram )&' (Yes I changed the file names) I don't use sh/bash much so I don't really understand the error. Can anyone toss me some pointers or ideas?? Thanks. -- Jason Killen Question Stupidity Mama's don't let your babies grow up to be Linux hackers Monolith : the new ANSI standard for humans PGP fingerprint = 64 71 48 14 31 AE C6 70 E4 4F 64 EB 3B AA 00 6B [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cs.wcu.edu/~jkillen -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Unknown PCI device (8086:7100 and others)
Hi. I was trying to install Debian on my new K6-based PC. It seems as if the mother board is a bit too new, 7100-7113 and 1300 is unknown. Now, I looked in pci.h in 2.0.30, found nothing. They are, however, supported in 2.1.50. Problem is, I want to install Debian without too much hacking. And I suppose 2.1.50 might not be useful yet, or am I wrong? (Now, why did I chose Linux if I don't want to hack... :-) Can I ignore the warnings? (My ethernet card isn't working, that's why I suspected the new hardware. I use eepro.o as driver but get 'Device or resource busy') -- /Jörgen Hägg [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
xemacs-19.15 on a hamm system
I am running the unstable (hamm) distribution of Debian. According to dselect my libraries etc. are up-to-date with those available in the distributions hamm, hamm/contrib, and hamm/non-free on ftp.debian.org. At some point in the last few weeks, xemacs-19.15 started segfaulting and dumping core during the start-up for me. If I twiddle my ~/.emacs file and delete things like (display-time) I can get it to start but it soon dies. The behaviour seems to be related to loading files. I just re-installed the package xemacs19_19.15-3.1.deb to see if that would help but it didn't. Interestingly I am able to run this program on my home Debian system which is also running the hamm distribution. I enclose part of the dump and an indication of which libraries are used. I would appreciate suggestions of what to change. $ ldd /usr/bin/xemacs-19.15 libXaw.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/Xaw3d/libXaw.so.6 (0x4000b000) libXpm.so.4 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXpm.so.4 (0x4005d000) libcompface.so.1 => /usr/lib/libcompface.so.1 (0x4006a000) libpng.so.1 => /usr/lib/libpng.so.1 (0x40075000) libXmu.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXmu.so.6 (0x4008b000) libXt.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6 (0x4009d000) libSM.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.so.6 (0x400df000) libICE.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so.6 (0x400e8000) libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x400fd000) libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x40108000) libncurses.so.3.0 => /lib/libncurses.so.3.0 (0x401a6000) libdb.so.1 => /usr/lib/libdb.so.1 (0x401e2000) libm.so.5 => /lib/libm.so.5 (0x401f1000) libc.so.5 => /lib/libc.so.5 (0x401fa000) $ xemacs Fatal error (11). Your files have been auto-saved. Use `M-x recover-session' to recover them. ... # standard request message deleted Lisp backtrace follows: # bind (current-load-list standard-input load-file-name) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) # bind (nosuffix nomessage noerror file init-file-user) # (unwind-protect ...) # bind (debug-on-error debug-on-error-from-init-file debug-on-error-should-be-set debug-on-error-initial command-line-args-left) # (unwind-protect ...) # (unwind-protect ...) $ gdb /usr/bin/xemacs core ... # more standard messages deleted #0 0x8075d93 in Fbacktrace () (gdb) where #0 0x8075d93 in Fbacktrace () #1 0x806e1b9 in fatal_error_signal () #2 0xbfffeba0 in ?? () -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Blocking spam by IP number
On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, Craig Sanders wrote: : that's one of the reasons i prefer packet filtering to tcp-wrappers. : block it out in the kernel before it gets to the application level. Hmm.. I don't agree with you on your last sentence. Why should the kernel take care of something which has absolutely nothing to do with the kernel itself? Blocking mail is something that, imho, the MTA should do. That is, the MTA handles 'mail', like the kernel handles 'packets'. And the spam is in the 'mail', not in the 'packets'. Do you understand what I mean? : > Another reason that you don't want to use (imho) tcpd as a spamfilter: I : > like to 'filter' messages on more than just the other end's IP-address. : > I know ZMailer supports additional blocking: : > - source address (ip) : > - HELO line : > - MAIL line : > - RCPT line : > - existance of a valid DNS-entry in the several lines : : can any of the MTAs reject mail based on arbitrary headers? or even just : the To: header (e.g. "To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]")? Nope. At least none I'm aware of. : I know i can do this easily enough with procmail (in fact, I do), but : IMO this is a job for the mail transfer agent, not the delivery agent. I don't have an opinion on this. Remco. -- // Remco van de Meent // email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] // www: http://oloon.student.utwente.nl // " Never make any mistaeks. " -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: printing over samba to win95
On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, Rick Macdonald wrote: > On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, George Bonser wrote: > > > My understanding is that samba allows Win95 to print to Linux, it you > > want to go the other way, (linux to Win95 resources) you need a program > > called rumba. You can locate it on most of the NExT ftp archives, I do > > No, you use rumba to "nfs mount" the win95 filesystems on the Linux box. > It's great. You don't need smbfs in the kernel or anything. It should be > Debian-ized! [cut] Where can I find more information about rumba? Will this only work in Linux, or can this be used on other UNIX systems? (Solaris in particular) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: 3C509 Problems
Alex Monaghan wrote: > > Help, > > I've got a problem with my 3C509 & Debian 1.2 (2.0.30 kernel). > > I've tried this card loaded in the kernel and also as a module. Until > the last few weeks it has worked OK, but now it just won't load. I've > not made any changes to the machine or Linux in the mean time (except > re-compiling the kernel to try it as part of the kernel) > > I can manually load the module after boot time. > > Any suggestions of where to look ? > > I can run the card OK under Win 95, so I know the card is OK. Thanks to those who offered suggestions. The final problem turned out to be that it had not included the 3c509.o in modules.dep, manually inserting it and rebooting caused it to run OK. Can anyone suggest why ? I installed with kernel 2.0.27 then upgraded to 2.0.30 via patches. I installed the modules via make modules ; make modules_install, is there something I missed ? (lilo was run to install the new kernel as the default boot kernel) -- --- --- Alex Monaghan Network Support Analyst, Royal Mail Anglia London Rd, Stevenage, SG1 1AA, UK Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] STD 01438 767081 Postline5811 7081 --- --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: /etc/init.d structure [long rant]
On 14 Aug 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Manoj Srivastava writes: > > *Nothing* has an S* in more than one level. A package is meant to be at a > > certain run level and higher. A level 3 package is started at run level > > 3, killed in run level 2, and at *no* other level. See how this works? > > Simple and elegant, but not very flexible. How about a state machine > approach? Considerably more flexable than rc.local, or anything else to date. The key is having explicit control -- no magic. Having an optional package that replaced the sysvinit startup with a "state machine" (whatever that is) is fine by me. But I still think we should fix what's broke. In time, I'm sure that Linuxconf will be able to handle multiple running states with some kind of menu selectable state at startup or something at some point. Perhaps this would be the alternative of choice. Cheers, > -- > John HaslerThis posting is in the public domain. > [EMAIL PROTECTED]Do with it what you will. > Dancing Horse Hill Make money from it if you can; I don't mind. > Elmwood, Wisconsin Do not send email advertisements to this address. > > > -- > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > > -- > -- "Until we extend the circle of our compassion to all living things, we will not ourselves find peace" -Albert Schweitzer Richard G. Roberto -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: ppp configuring with dunc (solved)
On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, Eugene Sevinian wrote: > Thanks, Richard! > Now it works. After few attempts to modify old > /root/.ppprc I have noticed that dunc replaced it > by the short file with one option (defaultroute) > and 2-3 strings as well. Then I just added this option > in old (and valid) .ppprc file. Hope this will be fixed later. Actually, dunc doesn't overwrite your .ppprc file unless you ask for the connection to be the default, in which case it backs up your existing .ppprc file as .ppprc.old. Even then, I doubt it would be only a few lines. In fact, I think its rather odd that it took you a few times of editing it to notice that it was different. What dunc actually does in this case is make .ppprc a link to .dunc/.ctn. This file is heavily commented -- including a header that identifies it as being generated by dunc 2. Now I'm confused as to what was actually wrong, and what fixed it. But that doesn't matter I suppose, as long as it works now. Cheers, -- "Until we extend the circle of our compassion to all living things, we will not ourselves find peace" -Albert Schweitzer Richard G. Roberto -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: /etc/init.d structure [long rant]
On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, E.L. Meijer (Eric) wrote: > [...] > Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > > > You are hereby excused. *Nothing* has an S* in more than one > > level. A package is meant to be at a certain run level and higher. A > > level 3 package is started at run level 3, killed in run level 2, and > > at *no* other level. See how this works? > > There is one thing that I dont see yet. There might be a necessity to > introduce parallel routes, e.g. you would want to have a runlevel that > starts xdm, and one that starts networking deamons for machines that > actually are on a network. But there is no intrinsic order between > these things. My machine at home is not connected to any network, which > means that certain daemons are not necessary, even if I do want to run > X. Other people may want to connect to the network without having to > go through a runlevel that starts xdm. Now how is this tackled? > > Eric Meijer True this would take some planning. Agreed it has it limitations. However, it doesn't even work this well currently, at least in Debian GNU/Linux. Our current approach is just plain broken. Even if you go through the trouble of fixing it, it re-breaks with every package installation (that installs a start/stop script). I would just like it to work "as expected" and we can go from there. Adding enhancements to the system while keeping it backward compatable is attractive, but not as easy as it sounds. Cheers, -- "Until we extend the circle of our compassion to all living things, we will not ourselves find peace" -Albert Schweitzer Richard G. Roberto -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: missing cua*
On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, Joost Kooij wrote: > > [...] but in what script > > file do I place "isapnp /etc/isapnp.conf" and other initialization > > commands for it to configure every time debian boots? (I used to put it > > under rc.local when I was using slackware) > > Maybe /etc/init.d/boot ? No, /etc/init.d/boot exists, and therefore cannot be changed (or upgrading becomes a pain). I think the Debian place is in /etc/rc.boot in which everything runs at boot time, but never again. Thus 0setserial, keyboardrate, etc. Excuse my replying here; I had already deleted the original message. -- David Wright, Open University, Earth Science Department, Milton Keynes MK7 6AA U.K. email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel: +44 1908 653 739 fax: +44 1908 655 151 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Qmail ./qmail-config does not work! hard error???
At 02:55 AM 8/15/97 +0800, Dima wrote: >>>David M wrote: > >Hello guys, > > > >more surprises! ;) Everything compiled ok but when I got to step 7 there > >is a hard error message when the ./qmail-config script tries to run > >./dnsfq hostname. It reports hard error! > > > >Have any of you qmail installed on Debian? Did you encounter this > >problem? If so how to go about fixing it? > > > >I am also somewaht confused on the impact of installing a non-package > >program into the filesystem doing things manually...? > >Well, why not use the *.deb package from project/experimental then? > >Anyway, IIRC qmail-config tries to create file /var/qmail/control/me that >contains >eris.dev.null >on my box -- use vi and put your fqdn there. >(I think it's in the docs actually.) > I had the same trouble. More: If you install the .deb package, you'll have the same error message. This package doesn't make anything special that you cannot do it by yourself. It runs the same scripts and install the same directories. The only difference is that you don't need to compile the bynaries. You can creat mannualy the following files: Put host.wherever.com into /var/qmail/control/me Put wherever.com into .../control/defaultdomain Put com into .../control/plusdomain Put host.wherever.com into .../control/locals If there are any other domain names that point to you, you will have to add them to /var/qmail/control/locals. You don't have to worry about aliases, i.e., domains with CNAME records. Copy /var/qmail/control/locals to /var/qmail/control/rcpthosts... Now qmail will refuse to accept SMTP messages except to those hosts. Make sure to change rcpthosts if you add hosts to locals or virtualdomains! If all you want to do is toconfigure qmail mannually, your task ends here. But I recommend you adjust qmail-config to configure it by itself. Be sure if your /etc/resolv.conf are pointing to a real DNS host. Verify it via nslookup. When I did it, it works, and qmail-config ran OK. Cheers Bruno -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Blocking spam by IP number
On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, Remco van de Meent wrote: > On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, David Sewell wrote: > > : I think a Debian spam-blocking package, using TCPD and generalized > : to cover all MTAs, would be a good thing, with a couple of caveats. > > That's quite difficult to implement. > > One of the most important reasons: not all MTA are using > tcpserver/inetd/xinetd as their 'parent'. For example ZMailer and > Sendmail do create their own serversocket. (Yes I know, both of them > have options to make them spawned by inetd). that's one of the reasons i prefer packet filtering to tcp-wrappers. block it out in the kernel before it gets to the application level. btw, sendmail can be compiled to use tcp wrappers. I think it's the -DTCP_WRAPPERS compile time option or something like that. > Another reason that you don't want to use (imho) tcpd as a spamfilter: I > like to 'filter' messages on more than just the other end's IP-address. > I know ZMailer supports additional blocking: > - source address (ip) > - HELO line > - MAIL line > - RCPT line > - existance of a valid DNS-entry in the several lines can any of the MTAs reject mail based on arbitrary headers? or even just the To: header (e.g. "To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]")? I know i can do this easily enough with procmail (in fact, I do), but IMO this is a job for the mail transfer agent, not the delivery agent. craig -- craig sanders networking consultant Available for casual or contract temporary autonomous zone system administration tasks. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Blocking spam by IP number
On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, Bruce Perens wrote: > I'm building a spam blocking package for Debian. While that is going on, i notice that the latest sendmail package includes Claus Aßmann's anti-spam stuff. I've been using them for several months now, and they're quite good. not perfect, but they do work. > then you already have "tcpd" filtering your mail connections. If that's > not the case, read the man page on "tcpd". Once "tcpd" is set up, you can > add the following text to the beginning of /etc/hosts.allow . This blocks > connections from AGIS, a haven for spammers. I'd be interested in hearing > about other IP addresses that should be blocked. I have ip firewalling enabled in the kernel and just packet filter them - it's easier to maintain a list of spam nets for distribution to several machines (around 6 major gateways and moderately large mail relays at the moment) than it is to distribute /etc/hosts.deny. here are the addresses that I block. i'm seriously considering blocking all AGIS-related networks. 208.9.64.0/24 # Cyber Promotions (Sprint) 207.14.212.0/24 # Financial Connections, Inc 208.1.117.0/24 # I can't remember (somewhere in Sprint) 205.199.212.0/24# Cyber Promotions (AGIS) 205.199.2.0/24 # Cyber Promotions (AGIS) 208.12.112.0/23 # MakeItSo, Inc 205.199.4.0/24 # nancynet - added 970529 the sprint cyberpromo network is probably long obsolete - they got booted from there ages ago. > My final version will not simply deny the connections, but will output > an SMTP error to them which will cause an immediate mail bounce at their > end. firewalling them holds the mail in their queue for a few days and then bounces it - slowing down their mail delivery systems at the minor price of having their system attempt a connection every so often. firewalling is also much less work for my system to do than forking tcpd and checking the hosts_access rules. there's advantages and disadvantages to both ways of doing it. > # The following net blocks are denied e-mail access because they belong to > # sites that have not yet established an effective anti-spam policy. > > # AGIS provides net connectivity to most of the well-known spammers. > tcp-env qmail-smtpd in.smtpd in-smtpd smtpd sendmail smail exim: \ I'd convert this to an /etc/mail/SpamNets file like so: # /etc/mail/SpamNets # can be network/netmask (eg 1.2.3.4/255.255.255.0) or # network/bits (eg 1.2.3.4/24) 205.254.160.0/255.255.224.0 # optional comment - who, why, when, etc 206.82.252.0/255.255.255.0 # 207.142.0.0/255.255.0.0 # 207.15.68.0/255.255.252.0 # 208.18.18.0/255.255.255.0 # 208.18.4.0/255.255.252.0# 209.14.0.0/255.255.0.0 # 204.68.252.0/255.255.255.0 # 204.137.128.0/255.255.128.0 # 205.164.0.0/255.255.0.0 # 206.62.0.0/255.255.0.0 # 205.198.0.0/255.254.0.0 # 206.42.0.0/255.254.0.0 # 206.148.0.0/255.254.0.0 # 206.185.0.0/255.255.0.0 # 206.248.0.0/255.252.0.0 # 206.84.0.0/255.254.0.0 # 204.157.0.0/255.255.0.0 # 208.9.64.0/24 # Cyber Promotions (Sprint) 207.14.212.0/24 # Financial Connections, Inc 208.1.117.0/24 # I can't remember (somewhere in Sprint) 205.199.212.0/24# Cyber Promotions (AGIS) 205.199.2.0/24 # Cyber Promotions (AGIS) 208.12.112.0/23 # MakeItSo, Inc 205.199.4.0/24 # nancynet - added 970529 (thanks for these network addresses, btw. i'll check out who they belong to and add them to my spamnets file) This could be processed at boot time with a script like the following: #! /bin/sh ANYWHERE=0.0.0.0/0 PORTS=25 # uncomment the following if you want blocked spam packets logged # (requires ip firewall logging enabled in the kernel) # #LOG="-o" # read in /etc/mail/SpamNets for host/network addresses to firewall, # ignoring comments. JUNKMAIL=`sed -e '/^#/d' -e '/^$/d' -e 's/#.*$//' /etc/mail/SpamNets` # block out junkmailing scumbags for i in $JUNKMAIL ; do /sbin/ipfwadm -I -a reject $LOG -P tcp -S $i -D $ANYWHERE $PORTS done I use this on several mail machines/gateways. One of the systems using this is a freebsd system - the ipfw utility is similar to but significantly different from the linux ipfwadm utilityno problem, i just use a slightly different wrapper script. it should also be easy enough to produce firewalling commands for Ciscos and other routers. It would also be easy to put a web or gui front-end onto the script for "easy" (hah! nothing's easier than vi :-) maintainence of the list. craig -- craig sanders networking consultant Available for casual or contract tempo
RE: Debian-Desktop
After getting advice from Christian Leutloff, Aachen, Germany [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oche.de/~leutloff/ I have had another go at my minimalist installation with some success. Instead of using get-selections and put-selections I simply made my own Packages.gz and then ran dselect in the usual way on my own cut down mirror. Running dselect was a breeze and only two packages (smail and gpm) required any input at all. If anyone wants to build on this work, the following files are available from ftp://oak.scotch.wa.edu.au/pub/debian/lite. -rw-r--r-- 1 allenallen5827 Aug 15 08:42 Packages.gz -rw-r--r-- 1 allenallen1428 Aug 15 07:33 ls-lR.gz -rwxr--r-- 1 allenallen 197 Aug 14 21:37 scanpack* ls-lR is a listing of my cut down mirror and scanpack is a script that makes Packages.gz. That site has a low bandwidth link so please avoid using it during business hours on weekdays. Lindsay =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Lindsay Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Perth, Western Australia voice +61 8 9316 2486modem +61 8 9364-9832 32S, 116E =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: adduser and NIS
Hi, Talking about /etc/nsswitch.conf: "/etc/nsswitch.conf" is part of the package "base-files" of bo. There are no manual pages, however. Is there any program (parts of the nis package ?) that take care about nsswitch.conf? Or is it just a sneak preview of a future NYS/NIS+ package? Thanks, Thomas -- Th. Gebhardt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- HRZ, Hans Meerwein Strasse,Phone: +49-6421/28-3572 D-35032 Marburg, Germany Fax :-6994 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: printing over samba to win95
On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, Rick Macdonald wrote: > > On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, Paul Miller wrote: > > > > > I'm trying to add an entry to the /etc/printcap file to print on another > > > machine (win95) using samba. I have a HP Deskjet 660C and I want to use > > > Magicfilter's DJ550C filters. Here's the problem: > > > > > > 1) how do I use two filters in the printcap file (dj550c-filter and > > > smbprint) > > > 2) when I print w/ only smbprint, the printer's error light lights up and > > > if I press the retry button it works... > > I don't use Magicfilter, but the following should help you see what needs > to be done. I do use magicfilter and I call the filter within the smbprint script. Here's my printcap and smbprint. Cheers. # Added by CRT 97/05/10 lp|rlp|iigr|hplj3|Remote printer entry:\ :cm=HPLIII printer in IIGR 301:\ :lp=/dev/rlp:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/remote:\ :af=/var/log/rlp-acct:\ :lf=/var/log/rlp-errs:\ :if=/usr/local/bin/smbprint:\ :mx#0:\ :sh: #!/bin/sh -x ( # NOTE You may wish to add the line `echo translate' if you want automatic # CR/LF translation when printing. #echo translate echo "print -" /usr/sbin/ljet3-filter "$@" ) | /usr/bin/smbclient "MAIN\\HPLIII" -I ipaddress -N -P > /var/log/smb-print.log -- Colin R. Telmer, Institute of Intergovernmental Relations School of Policy Studies Building, Queen's University Kingston, Ontario, Canada, K7L-3N6 (613)545-6000x4219 [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Public Key at http://terrapin.econ.queensu.ca> -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
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I am out of the office from 08-15-97, returning 12-31-99. You will receive only this notification of my absence prior to my return, at which time I will respond. I am out of the office indefinately. Please contact Bill Barke for MESA, PSCo and PNU. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: faxing from Win 95
On Thu, Aug 14, 1997 at 06:19:44PM -0500, Rob MacWilliams wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, Adam Shand wrote: > > > > > > I want to be able to fax from my Windows 95 desktop, ideally via the > > > > default exchange client, but via a print driver would be OK. > > > > > > From what little I've seen and read you should be able to do it with > > > Samba. I believe theres a file in the document directory (somewhere) > > > called something like win-fax which details the basics of this. > > > > There is a freeware or shareware thingy made by a german company that > > provides a win95 client program ala Microsoft's fax send dialog that is > > intended to work with a linux samba server. I have downloaded it a while > > ago, but haven't had the time to actually install and try it, but I sure > > plan to do so. > > > > I can't remember the exact name and url, but if you do a search on > > altavista for > > +linux +samba +fax windows95 faxdriver > > you'll probably find it easily. > > Is it called Stomper? If so, it's pretty much a DOS /win '95/NT program. We > use it at work, and it's > OK unless the modem can't connect, then you have to reboot both machines, > yech. No, stomper is a modem sharing program. There is a solution for Samba, which involves a script on the server, a faked samba printer which prints to this script, and a program running on the Windows machine to ask for the phone number etc. It works ok. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt, StudIEAust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Student, computer science & computer systems engineering.3rd year, RMIT. http://hamish.home.ml.org/ (PGP key here) CPOM: [* ] 51% The opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth. --Bohr -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: missing cua*
On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, lc29b50 wrote: > I installed debian but somehow I only have /dev/ttyS*, no /dev/cua* files. cua's are obsolete now. Use the corresponding ttyS to prevent locking problems from happening. > I'm also not very sure how to set up my pnp modem. I ran pnpdump to > create /etc/isapnp.conf, and uncommented the sections I needed, ran > isapnp /etc/isapnp.conf and everything appeared to be ok, but in what script > file do I place "isapnp /etc/isapnp.conf" and other initialization > commands for it to configure every time debian boots? (I used to put it > under rc.local when I was using slackware) Maybe /etc/init.d/boot ? Joost -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Qmail ./qmail-config does not work! hard error???
Hi there again! > >more surprises! ;) Everything compiled ok but when I got to step 7 there > >is a hard error message when the ./qmail-config script tries to run > >./dnsfq hostname. It reports hard error! > > > >Have any of you qmail installed on Debian? Did you encounter this > >problem? If so how to go about fixing it? > > > >I am also somewaht confused on the impact of installing a non-package > >program into the filesystem doing things manually...? > > Well, why not use the *.deb package from project/experimental then? I have done that and the installation still shows the 'hard error' message. > Anyway, IIRC qmail-config tries to create file /var/qmail/control/me that > contains > eris.dev.null > on my box -- use vi and put your fqdn there. > (I think it's in the docs actually.) That's true and I can easily create a file control/me with my fqdn but the problem is I am not familiar at all with qmail and that script seems to put other into in control... Anyways I guess I have no other choice but to setup the control/* files myself... any one care to give me a hand :) The purpose of installing qmail (apart from the fun of learning) is to use ti as an SMTP gateway to a heavy duty mailing list (~200,000 messages/day). Thank you. Dave -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: /etc/init.d structure [long rant]
On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, Dima wrote: > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >Manoj Srivastava writes: > >> *Nothing* has an S* in more than one level. A package is meant to be at a > >> certain run level and higher. A level 3 package is started at run level > >> 3, killed in run level 2, and at *no* other level. See how this works? > > > >Simple and elegant, but not very flexible. How about a state machine > >approach? > > Assuming "runlevel" is roughly equivalent to "state", the above model is > a stack of states. A state transition diagram would be a (potentially fully > connected) graph of states. (Potentially) what a mess. :) > Depends on how you do it. A fully connected graph of states doesn't need to have each possible state transition manually defined. All you need is definitions of each state, and the state transition actions can be automaticly determined by comparing the two states. > Next question is how to define a "state" -- 6 basic states is what we have > now. If we want more states (finer grain) our graph becomes messier. > Why would you want more than 6? Even if you do, you only need to define the additional states (specify what should be running in each state). > Also, runlevels _are flexible. Nobody can force me to start networking > daemons at RL 2 -- I can bloody well start them from ip-up when I ring my > ISP, at whatever runlevel I happen to be then. (In practice I don't care: > when I don't need networking daemons, they waste about $0.5 worth of my > swap partition. Big deal). > This is a different thing all together. What you are doing is saying that runlevels are not flexible enough to handle your networking daemon requirements, so you'r gonna do it manualy. You are just saying that they are flexible because you don't have to use them. > If you let user similarly customize the states, you _will end up with a > fully connected graph for STD -- definitely a mess. > (One program implementing a complex state machine is sendmail, BTW.) > > Stack is a much simpler structure -- easier to implement, less bugs etc. > Besides, it's almost there already. > Yes, it is simpler, and it is almost there already, but; 1) is it the "standard" way of doing it, or are we inventing yet another way of doing it? 2) regardless of whether it is a standard, it has limitations, and can we live with those limitations? ABO -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: /etc/init.d structure [long rant]
On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, Richard G. Roberto wrote: > On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, Donovan Baarda wrote: > > So excuse me if I have got this wrong, but does that mean going from run > > level 2 to run level 7 requires running all K* then S* in run level 3, > > then all K* then S* in run level 4, then all K* then S* in run level 5, > > . all the way up to run level 7? And going from run level 4 down to 2 > > does the same in reverse? > > No. The incremental behavior is only up to the default run > level. If there is none defined, you get prompted at > startup for a run level and I'm not sure if the system > should use the incremental method or jump right to it at > that point. > There seems to be confusion as to how this works. I have received two different answers from people about how this works; 1) The incremental behavior only applies up to the default run level. From there, changing run levels only runs the K* then S* scripts for the run level changed to. 2) The incremental behavior applies for all run levels and changes of run level. However, "*Nothing* has an S* in more than one level. A package is meant to be at a certain run level and higher. A level 3 package is started at run level 3, killed in run level 2, and at *no* other level." [Manjo] Method 1 allows arbitary definitions of runlevels for different purposes, allowing any runlevel to have any packages running independant of what is running in any other runlevel *except up to the default runlevel*. For this to work properly for all runlevel transitions, every runlevel must have K* scripts for all packages you don't want running at that level, and S*scripts for all packages you do want running. This has the problem of potentialy running S*'s for packages already running, and K*'s for packages not running. It also begs the question; why bother with incremental running at all? Method 2 requires a strict heirachy of runlevels, with increasing numbers of packages and functionality as you go up runlevels. It ensures that S* and K* are never run "out of order". However, the strict heirachy has pretty severe limitations. It is not possible to stop packages as you go up runlevels, or start them as you go down. This seems to contradict having runlevel 5 as "powerdown" and 6 as "reboot" (also, the incremental behavior would make it impossible to "reboot" without "powerdown"ing first). As someone else also pointed out, a clean heirachy of runlevels with increasing functionality as you go up is not necisarily that simple. Which is a higher runlevel, an x-terminal or a web server? Do you want xdm running on your web server or apachie on your x-terminal? > You only have K* scripts if you need to shut a process or > server down for proper operation in the new run level (or > make sure something's not running). You only have S* > scripts for the stuff you need started _for that run level_. > If you cock this up, you can end up having a totaly different configuration at runlevel 4 if you go to it from runlevel 2, or runlevel 3. Messy. > Run level 5 isn't implemented as "power down" yet, but it > should be. Obviously if you do an init 5, you should expect > to go down. If you set your default run level to 7, you're > in for a very short session ;) The 7, 8, & 9 run levels are > unique to linux AFAIK. They shouldn't be used as defaults > for the reason's you point out. > If the behavior is always incremental, then having runlevel 5 as powerdown would make it impossible to go to runlevel 6 (shutdown). > > > > What I thought would be more sensible is to know what needs to be running > > at each runlevel, and when you change runlevels, do a "diff" on the two > > runlevels, kill everything in the first but not in the second, and start > > everything in the second not in the first. This allows you to transition > > faster between arbitary runlevels, and avoids transitioning through > > runlevels you don't want to touch on the way. > This is compatible with the "state" model, is simple to implement, and allows more flexibility than a "stack of states" as suggested by someone. Note that the "stack of states" approach is similar to method 2 above, but it could allow packages to be K*'ed on going up a level. This is more flexible than only adding packages as you go up, but it still requires you to step through each state in order. This means going through "powerdown" on the way to "reboot", and possibly toggling packages on and off as you go. The "diff" method allows arbitary state transitions, without having to explicity define all the actions to perform on every possible state transition. Each runlevel defines a state, listing all the packages that must be running at that level. The actions to perform on transitioning from one state to another are determined by comparing the two states. Only the minimum number of actions required are performed on any state transition, and undesirable states can be "skipped". > Again, changing run levels after th
How to change the default X visual?
I've only got a grey scale monitor, and would like to change the default X visual of my Debian box to GrayScale. How do I do that? Thanks for your help. (p.s. please cc me, since I'm currently not on this list) __ ___ __ ___ / / /__ / / / __ /_/ /__ /_/ / _ __ / _ __ / /_/ /_/ /_/ /_/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: printing over samba to win95
On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, George Bonser wrote: > My understanding is that samba allows Win95 to print to Linux, it you > want to go the other way, (linux to Win95 resources) you need a program > called rumba. You can locate it on most of the NExT ftp archives, I do No, you use rumba to "nfs mount" the win95 filesystems on the Linux box. It's great. You don't need smbfs in the kernel or anything. It should be Debian-ized! > On Thu, 14 Aug 1997, Paul Miller wrote: > > > I'm trying to add an entry to the /etc/printcap file to print on another > > machine (win95) using samba. I have a HP Deskjet 660C and I want to use > > Magicfilter's DJ550C filters. Here's the problem: > > > > 1) how do I use two filters in the printcap file (dj550c-filter and > > smbprint) > > 2) when I print w/ only smbprint, the printer's error light lights up and > > if I press the retry button it works... I don't use Magicfilter, but the following should help you see what needs to be done. I set up my Linux box to print on an old HP LJ Series II on a win95 machine a few weeks ago. I have this in my /etc/printcap: winhplj2|lp:\ :cm=HPLJ2 on April's PC:\ :lp=/dev/winhplj2:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/winhplj2:\ :af=/var/spool/lpd/winhplj2/acct:\ :mx#0:\ :if=/usr/local/bin/smbprint: /usr/local/bin/smbprint comes with samba. At the end is the following bit. I inserted the " | /usr/local/bin/lpf_hplj" after the "cat" that follows the "echo print" statement. ( # NOTE You may wish to add the line `echo translate' if you want automatic # CR/LF translation when printing. #echo translate echo "print -" cat | /usr/local/bin/lpf_hplj ) | /usr/bin/smbclient "$server\\$service" $password -U $server -N -P >> $logfile /usr/local/bin/lpf_hplj is a very simple filter that I must have gotten out of the print HOW-TO long ago: #!/bin/sh # a crude filter, prints text or postscript only read first_line first_two_chars=`expr "$first_line" : '\(..\)'` if [ "$first_two_chars" = "%!" ]; then /usr/bin/gs -dSAFER -dNOPAUSE -q -sDEVICE=laserjet -sOutputFile=- - else echo -n $first_line | /usr/local/bin/lpf cat | /usr/local/bin/lpf printf "\014" fi /usr/local/bin/lpf, looking at it now, looks somewhat redundant, but I'm not going to start messing with it now: #!/bin/sh if [ "$1" = -c ]; then cat else / sed -e s/$/ fi # the ``echo -ne'' assumes that /bin/sh is really bash # echo -ne \\f ...RickM... -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
SUMMARY Re: Internal Clock Question
The fix to the below problem was: As root: /usr/sbin/tzconfig # a menu driven program for changing timezones /usr/sbin/clock -s # sets the time *from* CMOS Thanks to Brandon Mitchell and Damir J. Naden for the information. --Dan Brandon Mitchell wrote: > > > I just realized a *stupid* mistake. My BIOS clock is set to EDT and I > > told UNIX it was in EST at installation. Is there an easy fix for this? > > I've got everthing else installed and working great--I can't handle a > > re-install ;\ > > I've never done this before (always got it right during installation), > but: 1) the command is /usr/sbin/tzconfig, 2) the file it edits is > /etc/timezone, 3) I saw this looking in /var/lib/dpkg/info/timezone.list. > > Good luck, > Brandon > > - > Brandon Mitchell E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7877/home.html > > "We all know Linux is great...it does infinite loops in 5 seconds." > --Linus Torvalds > > -- > TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- == * Dan Dooher[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * System Administrator 954-351-2120 ext. 515 * * SportsLine USA, Inc. http://www.sportsline.com * -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
please help: olvwm and openwin-menu
Hi Everyone, I just downloaded and installed olvwm. The good news is that it seems I have finally found a window manager that I like :-) The bad news is that I can't get it to read the menu definition file :-( The system-wide file exists as /etc/X11/olvwm/openwin-menu and my customization file is ~/.openwin-menu - neither of which seems to get read in, neither at startup nor on a file change. Declaring and exporting the variable OLWMMENU so that it points at either of the menu definition files doesn't do the trick either. Any hints would be seriously appreciated - I can't think of anything to try next... Reto -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Debian libc5 to libc6 Mini-HOWTO (regular posting)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Debian libc5 to libc6 Mini-HOWTO Scott K. Ellis, [EMAIL PROTECTED] v1.3, August 14, 1997 1. Introduction The Debian project is currently in the process of putting together the next release of the Debian system. This version will utilize the new libc6, a replacement for the prior libc5 which includes many enhancements and brings the linux C library back into sync with the GNU project. We are doing this in a way to allow you to continue to utilize your older software by providing development and operating environments for both C libraries. However, all packages in the new release will be linked with the new C library. This has made it slightly more difficult to install packages from the unstable branch of our development tree into a working system. There is a slight possibility of making your system unbootable in the process, this guide is intended to help you avoid such problems. 2. Minimum requirements The minimum list of packages to install to be able to run unstable- branch packages is below. Install these packages one at a time in exactly the order listed. When versions are mentioned, that is a minimum suggested version, any later version should also be acceptable. o libc6_2.0.4-1 o ldso_1.9.5-1 o ncurses3.4_1.9.9g-3 o libreadline2_2.1-2.1 o libreadlineg2_2.1-2.1 o bash_2.01-0.1 3. Development If you wish to do libc6 development, you should first purge all the '-dev' packages on your system, the new development system will use packages with the suffix '-dev' for libc6 development and '-altdev' for libc5 development. You will wish to install the latest libc5 package, and altgcc if you wish continue to do libc5 development as well. Some libraries haven't been recompiled for the new libc6 yet, check that all your vital libraries are available before upgrading. Linking libc5-based libraries with libc6-based programs will have unpredictable results. 4. Concerns Note also that both the man-db and the libc6-dev packages currently include /usr/bin/gencat. The version of gencat in libc6-dev has been reported to cause segfault problems with man-db, you may wish to reinstall man-db after libc6-dev if you experience these problems. 5. Disclaimer As always, this document comes with NO WARRANTY. These comments are based on my personal experience and experimentation. While this worked for me off a freshly installed v1.3.1 system, you milage may vary. Please send any comments or corrections to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- |The mark of your ignorance is the depth of Scott K. Ellis| your belief in injustice and tragedy. [EMAIL PROTECTED]| What the caterpillar calls the end of the world, | the master calls a butterfly. | -- Illusions -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM/PGC6Ck2fENdzpVAQFzRwP7Bx5JP0We8k2vBeXS+49kwHKX6K/KPLPC CtGsvae3V628PIS+6dQZlMhU2rNTRNjhTa2SHbzkrefv7kEJMLnJVja8IIlzxr4y 5Yhh0iKvc6S5Cp2tXzCSYQ6piYJg2nhR2sq2b67FmOmPR/0uPAwlYnhyQuplbjGS 4JXjP7055as= =hQzr -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Internal Clock Question
> I just realized a *stupid* mistake. My BIOS clock is set to EDT and I > told UNIX it was in EST at installation. Is there an easy fix for this? > I've got everthing else installed and working great--I can't handle a > re-install ;\ I've never done this before (always got it right during installation), but: 1) the command is /usr/sbin/tzconfig, 2) the file it edits is /etc/timezone, 3) I saw this looking in /var/lib/dpkg/info/timezone.list. Good luck, Brandon - Brandon Mitchell E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7877/home.html "We all know Linux is great...it does infinite loops in 5 seconds." --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
missing cua*
I installed debian but somehow I only have /dev/ttyS*, no /dev/cua* files. I'm also not very sure how to set up my pnp modem. I ran pnpdump to create /etc/isapnp.conf, and uncommented the sections I needed, ran isapnp /etc/isapnp.conf and everything appeared to be ok, but in what script file do I place "isapnp /etc/isapnp.conf" and other initialization commands for it to configure every time debian boots? (I used to put it under rc.local when I was using slackware) Any help would be appreciated. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: gettyps, uugetty etc?
In your email to me, Miguel A. Figueroa, you wrote: > > Hi, > > Any pointer to info on the tty -vs- cua setup for modems? I just > installed Debian in place of Redhat (can I get an amen), and I used Amen! > to have to have two devices for one modem. ttyS1 for dial-in and cua1 > for dialout. For dialout, I need it for PPP which works great, but > for UUCP from office to home, the modem refuses to pick up. I set up > all the sames stuff for uugetty, uucp and smail. Any pointers to FAQs > mailing lists etc will be much appreciated. Use mgetty. I have a page on configuring mgetty for Win95/PAP dialin (www.buoy.com), and the docs that come with mgetty are pretty good. Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps "It's almost impossible to overestimate the unimportance of most things." -- John Logue ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Internal Clock Question
Crew, I just realized a *stupid* mistake. My BIOS clock is set to EDT and I told UNIX it was in EST at installation. Is there an easy fix for this? I've got everthing else installed and working great--I can't handle a re-install ;\ Regards, Dan -- == * Dan Dooher[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * System Administrator 954-351-2120 ext. 515 * * SportsLine USA, Inc. http://www.sportsline.com * -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Installing qmail.deb still has problems...
Dear friends: I just installed qmail1.01.deb and I still got the same 'hard error' report. Also to install qmail I had to remove libpthread0 and splay and then install libso and libc6 before qmail could be installed. Now qmail might be installed but it will probably not work cause control/me and other files could not be setup cause of the same hard error...! Now dselect is gone crazy and has a million conflicts for some reason! I think the system is pretty stuffed... Oh well this is why I had suggested a dselect configuration file that you can load to restore know good setups... :) See ya. Dave -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Installing qmail.deb (was Re: Laptop for Linux Debian)
Dear friends, before anything else, let me thank you all for your support! I think Laptop vendors should start looking at supportintg Linux as you can see people wanting to purchase a laptop (such as myself) will prefer a brand (or generic) laptop that does support Linux!!! :) Now regardng qmail I have downloaded qmail-1.01.deb (Intel) and I would like to know what is the right way to install it. I am using the default smail as the mail-transport-agent. Do I need to remove smail first and then dpkg -i qmail*.deb? Is there any replacement argument for dpkg that will do it all (e.g. --replace) Maybe I should go read about dpkg before I ask all this question huh? ;) Thank you. Dave -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
[shadow] Shadow source tree
Hi.. I'm trying to compile some programs which require shadow stuff. I have shadow installed on my system and it's working but I don't have any of the shadow header files (pwauth.h, libshadow.a etc) that I think, and others say, that I should have. Where do I find them? Do I need to get the sources for passwd and install them? Help please! Thanks, Adam. -- Earthlight Communications Limited - P.O. Box 5301 Adam Shand (fax) +64 3 477 5463 Dunedin, New Zealand Systems Manager (voice) +64 3 479 0303 --- http://larry.earthlight.co.nz/ --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
