Re: Netscape BS Del Problems
Paul Serice wrote: As you've gotten your to work, would you mind answering a question? When you run xkeycaps, for the delete key, do you get something that looks like this: KeyCode: Delete 0x6B 107 0153 KeySym:Delete ASCII: ^? 0x7F 127 0177 Yes, I get exactly that. And backspace is: Keycode: Backspace 0x16 22 026 Keysym: Backspace ASCII^H 0x08 8 010 -- see shy jo -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: trying to compile gtk+970916....
On 24-Sep-97 Remco van de Meent wrote: Does it detect X11 during execution of the configure-script? How do I tell? I'm using about the same configuration as you described, and didn't have any problems at all compiling gtk+970916. In gtk+.xconfig, which I think is created by configure-script, I have these lines: X_CFLAGS = -I/usr/X11R6/include X_LDFLAGS = -L/usr/X11R6/lib X_LIBS = Hope that gives clue, David bye, Remco -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Figuring out the fasted mirror for you
Here is a small script that finds the 10 fastest debian mirrors for you.
Just put the README.mirrors from the ftp sites in your current directory.
Then run the script:
#!/bin/sh
# Script to figure out the fastest Debian mirror sites
grep \..*:/ README.mirrors| awk '{ print $1 };' | \
awk -F: '{ print $1 }' | fping -aef - | \
awk '{ print substr($2,2),$1 }' | sort -n| head -10
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Re: Stable means not-changing?
For the most part, it means non-changing. While it would be nice to
fix each package with a problem, doing so always runs the risk of breaking
other packages on the system. Verifying the integrity of the system as a
Perhaps this has been taken a little too much to heart; I keep
updating my system thinking one or two packages must have had some
fixes (security being my major concern), but nothing's changed. It's
better than having a lot of minor Foo-23.deb -- Foo-24.deb updates,
but gives the impression that stable means abandoned.
E.g. bash-2.0, which was found to be buggy almost immediately
(granted, not with a security issue, but it broke other packages).
Under 1.1 and 1.2 these things were fixed right away, which led me to
think that security issues would be address equally quickly; 1.3.1
makes a person wonder.
Note that I am not actually complaining about 1.3.1, just trying to
point out what it looks like to someone used to frequent stable
updates. For all I know 1.3.1 hasn't changed because, except for
bash, it's perfect. And I'm certainly glad that you're not having us
download a whole new X just for a nitpick change to xdm's login
screen...
Finally, the analogy to kernel development comes to mind; though it's
progressing now, for long periods the broken 2.0.30 kernel saw little
public attention from many key kernel gurus, which puzzled the masses
who were used to Linus poring over every oops on linux-kernel.
whole is far more difficult than verifying a single package. For
In the case of Bash-2.0, which broke a lot of scripts anyway[*],
turning it into Bash-2.01 would only have been an improvement.
They are especially rare in this case because Hamm marks such a major change
(with libc6 and all). Thus, fixes are very hard to propogate back to Bo
Granted this changes the picture. It's probably better to focus on
2.0 and get it out before Christmas than to coddle 1.3.1 and delay
Hamm a year.
--Pete
[*] Does anyone know where there was a doc explaining that { foo }
suddenly had to become { foo; } when upgrading to Bash-2.0? That
only choked on about a hundred of my scripts that had worked fine
under 1.14 (or whatever it was)...
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Disapearing /dev/tty0's
I have had an interesting problem rear it's ugly head two times now .. my /dev/tty0's get SNAFUed for some reason. This is what they look like normally: tty00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16450 tty01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A tty03 at 0x02e8 (irq = 3) is a 16450 BUT two times now, this has happened when the system boots up: tty00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16450 tty01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16450 tty03 disapears and with it gone .. the mouse works but if I type pon to dial up the modem doesn't work and the mouse freezes and I have to reboot to get it back. Several reboots and the tty's go back to normal and everything works again. It has me befuddled. Anyone have any ideas? Chad -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Chad D. Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Southwest Technology Development Institute New Mexico State University --- HP: http://dabcc-www.nmsu.edu/~chad/ DBP: http://dabcc-www.nmsu.edu/~chad/Debian/ LCAO: http://dabcc-www.nmsu.edu/~chad/Las_Cruces_Art/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [RANT] The Future of Debian (and Linux)
On 24-Sep-97 Darin Johnson wrote: There's enough age discrimination in the workplace, without having it spread to Linux as well. Age has nothing to do with it, it has to do with devoting time to things that are more important in life. That and calling attention to the fact that more of these energetic youngsters need to get involved in the process rather than simply poke shots at the leadership. Just wondering if a more structured method of identifying prospective developers and mentoring them into the mainstream might be worthwhile. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Stable means not-changing?
On 25-Sep-97 Pete Harlan wrote: For the most part, it means non-changing. While it would be nice to fix each package with a problem, doing so always runs the risk of breaking other packages on the system. Verifying the integrity of the system as a Perhaps this has been taken a little too much to heart; I keep updating my system thinking one or two packages must have had some fixes (security being my major concern), but nothing's changed. It's better than having a lot of minor Foo-23.deb -- Foo-24.deb updates, but gives the impression that stable means abandoned. E.g. bash-2.0, which was found to be buggy almost immediately (granted, not with a security issue, but it broke other packages). Under 1.1 and 1.2 these things were fixed right away, which led me to think that security issues would be address equally quickly; 1.3.1 makes a person wonder. I think these things ARE being fixed but the fixes are being compiled against libc6 and the new packages are going into unstable. At this point, you are probably closer to the truth than you know when you call 1.3 abandoned. It is actually libc5 that is abandoned. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Hard links to a directory in a chroot environment
On Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:43:53 +0200 joost witteveen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [..] Hard linked directories are bad, it would taker longer than that to explain. That's apity, cause I've been wanting to know why they are bad for a long time. Do you have any reference where I can search for an answer on that one? I have no reference, but I'll try to explain :-) When one does a mkdir(): 1. A directory special file is created, and an inode is allocated. 2. A `.' entry is created in this new directory, pointing to the inode allocated in 1. 3. A `..' entry is created, pointing to the parent's inode. All this is now performed atomically in the kernel through (2)mkdir, but there was a time when mkdir was performing these three steps in user space. When a rmdir() is done (assuming the directory is empty): 1. Entries . and .. are removed. 2. The directory inode is unlinked from the parent's directory entry. Having a hard link to a directory gives a first problem: Say you do: mkdir /usr/dir1 link /usr/dir1 /usr/local/dir1 (hard links /usr/dir1 to /usr/local/dir1) Then if you do cd /usr/local/dir1/.., you'll get to /usr. And there's no way for a program to detect that (the same thing can happen with symlinks, but one can read the symlinks contents). Second problem: you can create loops in the filesystem, eg: mkdir /usr/dir1 link /usr/dir1 /usr/dir1/loop Now start a find in /usr you can always wait for it to end. /usr/dir1/loop is equal to /usr/dir1 (inode-wise). Third problem: rmdir() doesn't work on a directory which is hard linked. Removing the . and .. entries will cause mayhem for the remaining links. Fourth problem: fsck doesn't work anymore and cannot fix some kind of problems anymore. Fsck operation relies on the fact that the directory tree, well err, is a tree. Allowing hard links between directories makes the directory structure an oriented graph. For all these reasons (and probably others I've never heard of), directory hard linking is discouraged. Most other unices forbid it too, or at least makes this feature a root-only privilege. And also, you can achieve the same effect 99% of the time with a symbolic link. The remaining 1% can be nailed down through a nfs loop mount (this 1% generally involves chroot()ed environments). For maximum security in chrooted environments: o don't mount /proc in the chrooted tree [..] o don't have devices in the chrooted tree Why are these? I can understand that they will cause havoc when a user in a chrooted becomes root, but if they do, they can create the devices/mounts files anyway. So, why are they suddenly a problem in chrooted environments? About /proc: /proc contains information about all the processes in the computer. Which means that a process running a a chrooted environment can acces to the working directory of any process running with the same uid outside of the chroot() dir through /proc/uid/cwd. Funny ? Assuming that you're root, and you're got a chrooted invironement in /chroot, and proc is mounted on /chroot/proc, try: cd /chroot chroot /chroot /bin/bash cd /proc/1/cwd Hop, you're back in the real / (cwd of init). Note that you don't have to be root to exploit this. About devices: Well, devices are common to the whole machine, which mean that if you've got a word-writable /dev/hda, someone in the chrooted environement can still trash your computer. However, if the permissions in the chrooted /dev are very conservative *and* there is no setuid executable in the chrooted tree, it should be reasonably safe. Oh, and there's one more thing which is also shared between the normal and chrooted environment: sockets, and IPC stuff. IPC stuff (shared memory, semaphores, etc...) is not a problem, unless there's a cooperating process outside the chrooted environement. Sockets are more annoying: any process can bind to unprovileged sockets, and any process can create a socket. Which means that someone in the chrooted environment can send crap to your syslog socket for example... (I'm not questioning your wisdom, I'm just curious). My wisdom is sometimes questionable :-) Phil. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Disapearing /dev/tty0's
On Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:28:53 MDT Chad D. Zimmerman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I have had an interesting problem rear it's ugly head two times now .. my /dev/tty0's get SNAFUed for some reason. This is what they look like normally: tty00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16450 tty01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A tty03 at 0x02e8 (irq = 3) is a 16450 BUT two times now, this has happened when the system boots up: tty00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16450 tty01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16450 tty03 disapears and with it gone .. the mouse works but if I type pon to dial up the modem doesn't work and the mouse freezes and I have to reboot to get it back. Several reboots and the tty's go back to normal and everything works again. It has me befuddled. Anyone have any ideas? Plug-and-Pray ? Phil. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Disapearing /dev/tty0's
On Wed, 24 Sep 1997, Philippe Troin wrote: Plug-and-Pray ? Phil. No Plug and Prey on this system. Not even windows. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Chad D. Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Southwest Technology Development Institute New Mexico State University --- HP: http://dabcc-www.nmsu.edu/~chad/ DBP: http://dabcc-www.nmsu.edu/~chad/Debian/ LCAO: http://dabcc-www.nmsu.edu/~chad/Las_Cruces_Art/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Disapearing /dev/tty0's
On Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:28:18 MDT Chad D. Zimmerman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 1997, Philippe Troin wrote: Plug-and-Pray ? No Plug and Prey on this system. Not even windows. Good boy ! :-) Me too. Ok, so, from boot to boot, serial devices come and go. No I have no clue. If it were that the devices are there at boot and then diseappear, I had an explanation, but if in the same conditions the devices come and go from boot to boot, no idea. Sorry. Phil. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Basic Debian hd mounting...
Greetings all, just some newbie questions i would like answered tto someday not be a newbie... i just installed debian linux on a p90, 24 MB RAM, system the installation went well, and i have the basic system functioning...i have the X windows system(xfree86) on the first partition of my HD which is Win95 filesystem all tar'ed and stuff along with some other debian packages my question how would i go about mounting that filesystem so that i can access those files for installation purposes or transfer them to the '/' filesystem for access how would i go about installing x??? Thanx, jd? -jesus duran -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Basic Debian hd mounting...
On Wed, 24 Sep 1997, jd? wrote: Greetings all, Hello! Welcome. my question how would i go about mounting that filesystem so that i can Ok. Assuming it's the first partition on your first (master) ide hard drive, it's located at /dev/hda1. As root, you'll want to do mkdir /win95 mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 at which point you can cd /win95 and you'll be at the root (C:\) of your windows partition. Then copy them to someplace in your linux partition and do dpkg -i filename.deb ... where filename is teh name of the package: xemacs20-1.deb might be one, for example. filesystem for access how would i go about installing x??? Install the X .deb files (you'll need xbase, an xserver that works with your video card, and maybe something else, check out www.debian.org for the exact dependencies) with dpkg -i, as above. Then run xf86config. Will [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cis.udel.edu/~lowe/ * Good Idea: Feeding Stray Cats in the Park. Bad Idea: Feeding Stray Cats in the park ... to a bear. * -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: network settings
Uhm, this will allow the network to work but it is wrong. It will not modify all the files in the /etc directory that need changing. Doing the network setup from the install disk should set everything up correctly including resolv.conf, etc. On 24-Sep-97 dpk wrote: Edit the file /etc/init.d/network and change the settings as needed. When you exit and save, as root, just rerun the script by typing /etc/init.d/network to enable the new settings. Thanks, Dennis -- dpk [EMAIL PROTECTED], Systems/Network | work: 353.4844 Division of Enginnering Computing Services | page: 222.5875 On Wed, 24 Sep 1997, Marc Fleureck wrote: Which command/utility should I run to reconfigure network settings (IP, hostname, gateway, etc ...) ? Regards, Marc -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . --- George Bonser Debian/GNU Linux See http://www.debian.org Linux ... It isn't just for breakfast anymore! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Disapearing /dev/tty0's
Did you by any chance change hard drive controlers or other cards recently. When I tried to install a SCSI card, the same sort of thing happened. After trying to figure out what was up and pulling the SCSI card, the problem went away on about the third hard shutdown/reboot. Other idea is your serial card my be going, you might want to try swapping to another if you have a spare. Warren Overholt On Wed, 24 Sep 1997, Philippe Troin wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:28:53 MDT Chad D. Zimmerman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I have had an interesting problem rear it's ugly head two times now .. my /dev/tty0's get SNAFUed for some reason. This is what they look like normally: tty00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16450 tty01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A tty03 at 0x02e8 (irq = 3) is a 16450 BUT two times now, this has happened when the system boots up: tty00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16450 tty01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16450 tty03 disapears and with it gone .. the mouse works but if I type pon to dial up the modem doesn't work and the mouse freezes and I have to reboot to get it back. Several reboots and the tty's go back to normal and everything works again. It has me befuddled. Anyone have any ideas? Plug-and-Pray ? Phil. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [RANT] The Future of Debian (and Linux)
Hi, George == George Bonser [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: George Age has nothing to do with it, it has to do with devoting time George to things that are more important in life. That and calling George attention to the fact that more of these energetic youngsters George need to get involved in the process rather than simply poke George shots at the leadership. George Just wondering if a more structured method of identifying George prospective developers and mentoring them into the mainstream George might be worthwhile. I think one of the primary qualities that make Debian what it is (or Linux or GNU software in general) is that it is a volunteer effort. The keyword is volunteer. People are not shanghaied or recruited, they are self motivating and genuinely interested in what they are doing. If they don't have the self motivation, or they do not come of their own accord, they won't last very long. Being a volunteer can be pretty thankless and frustating at times; if the will to join does not spring from inside, it is worse than useless to impose/recruit/identify and mentor them. Debian is not really a place where you are taught to be all you can be; you have to do that yourself. As I said before; anytime; you enrgetic potential lean mean developers. Just anytime at all. manoj -- Your boss is thinking about you. Manoj Srivastava url:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile, Alabama USAurl:http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [RANT] The Future of Debian (and Linux)
** Reply to note from George Bonser [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:37:43 -0700 (PDT) Howdy all.:-) See from the docs (and various net searchs) there is a newsgroup called linux.debian.users available but I haven't been able to track down a news server which carries it. Anyone have an address (preferably one that allows postings as well as reading)thanks! :-) It's A Magical World, Hobbes, Ol' Buddy... ...Let's Go Exploring ! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [RANT] The Future of Debian (and Linux)
** Reply to note from George Bonser [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:37:43 -0700 (PDT) Howdy all.:-) Using Rescue disk install program, I have set up Boot Manager, DOS, OS/2 HPFS, Linux ext2, and linux swap partitions on my harddrive. Seems that the floppy install didn't (won't or can't find relevent file(s)) install liloI grabbed lilo_19-2.deb off a debian ftp site. Can I just install this file or do I also need some other files? Thanks:-) It's A Magical World, Hobbes, Ol' Buddy... ...Let's Go Exploring ! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
kde menus
hi i am using current debian kde packages (e.g. kdeapps 0.10.01-2), and i have encountered a problem with kpanel menus. namely, when trying update-menus -v: [...] Udate-menus: Running method:/etc/menu-methods//kde Unknown identifier in script -f: Aborting. [...] which means that /etc/menu-methods/kde file is probably broken. consequently, no debian menus or icons appear in kpanel. Q: is /etc/menu-methods/kde misfunctional in kdeapps 0.10.01-2? Q: is there any newer debian kde packages available on the net (kde 0.11)? cheers -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: innxmit
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Timothy Phan) writes: After my linux harddrive crashed and unrecoverable. I've re-installed Debian 1.3.1 on a new harddrive. I've managed to configure the new drive to have similar setup that I had in my previous drive. However, the innxmit in the get-news script always failed. What does it complain about? Check your /etc/news/hosts.nntp. Secondly, the 'suck' seems to be a lot slower than my previous configuration. I used to see it download news at 2300 - 2600 BPS. Now, I'm in the 1200 - 1900 BPS range. Do you know what version the previous one was? Between Debian 1.2 and 1.3, some changes were made to suck to improve latency. I'm not sure it worked very well. Thirdly, I'd like to know exactly what is the PPP connection speed. I _did_ have the REPORT CONNECT in the chat script but it always return 38400. My modem is 28.8. There's an AT??? to make your modem report the speed of either the connection from DTE to DCE (38400) or from DCE to DCE (28800 down). Check your modem manual, or tell us what brand it is. -- Carey Evans * http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/c.evans/ gc kernel: Warning: possible SYN flooding. Sending cookies. kernel: validated probe(17f, 17f, 11557, 5010, -1645409555) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Basic Debian hd mounting...
jd? [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snip] my question how would i go about mounting that filesystem so that i can access those files for installation purposes or transfer them to the '/' filesystem for access how would i go about installing x??? Will answered some of this, but some more tips: After creating /win95 (I actually use /mnt/win95) put something like this in /etc/fstab: /dev/hda1 /win95 vfat defaults 0 0 and you can mount it manually with `mount /win95', or it will get automatically mounted with the next reboot. If you're paranoid about Linux touching your Win95 partition, make it defaults,ro. If it's not on /dev/hda1 and you don't remember where it is, run `cfdisk /dev/hda' and have a look at the FS Type. Then QUIT without making any changes. If you have the .debs and you want to look at dependencies, use `dpkg --info xbase_3.3-3.deb', for example, to peek at the packages. -- Carey Evans * http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/c.evans/ gc kernel: Warning: possible SYN flooding. Sending cookies. kernel: validated probe(17f, 17f, 11557, 5010, -1645409555) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Basic Debian hd mounting...
Carey Evans wrote: jd? [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snip] my question how would i go about mounting that filesystem so that i can access those files for installation purposes or transfer them to the '/' filesystem for access how would i go about installing x??? Will answered some of this, but some more tips: After creating /win95 (I actually use /mnt/win95) put something like this in /etc/fstab: /dev/hda1 /win95 vfat defaults 0 0 it is dangerous! be aware that the permission is set to rwxrwxrwx and everyone can ERASE files in this partition!!! Lawrence -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: boot errors
Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
David R Baker wrote:
I believe the no /usr/bin/X11/xfs found ... error is referring to
a running font server, not the file. The font server does not run
unless you configure it to run. This is merely a nuisance message.
I do not know about the others.
It is a fresh 1.3.1 install and I found that the xfs is called by rc*.d,
I am not using xdm, is it the cause of the problem?
You can simply remove this message by changing /etc/init.d/xfs using
this patch:
--- xfs.old Wed Sep 24 22:34:27 1997
+++ xfs Wed Sep 24 22:34:54 1997
@@ -29,7 +29,10 @@
fi
;;
stop)
+if [ $run_xfs = 1 ]
+then
start-stop-daemon --stop --verbose --exec /usr/bin/X11/xfs
+fi
;;
*)
echo Usage: /etc/init.d/xfs {start|stop}
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Re: X problem after update from REX to BO (detailed error messages now)
According to Steve Hsieh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I encountered the same problem. Doing a mkfontdir /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/* seems to fix the problem for Xfree servers; it still doesn't work after that for AcceleratedX though. Thanks a lot for the hint. Unfortunately it doesn't work for me. :-( I still get these error messages: (this time all of them) XFree86 Version 3.3 / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6300) Release Date: Jun 2 1997 If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting problems. (see http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) Operating System: Linux 2.0.21 i486 [ELF] Configured drivers: Mach64: accelerated server for ATI Mach64 graphics adaptors (Patchlevel 0) (using VT number 4) XF86Config: /etc/X11/XF86Config (**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values (**) XKB: rules: xfree86 (**) XKB: model: pc102 (**) XKB: layout: de (**) XKB: variant: nodeadkeys (**) Mouse: type: MouseMan, device: /dev/mouse, baudrate: 1200 (**) Mach64: Graphics device ID: ATI Graphics Pro Turbo (**) Mach64: Monitor ID: MAG-MX17S (**) FontPath set to tcp/localhost:7100 (--) Mach64: PCI: Mach64 GX rev 3, Aperture @ 0xfa00, Sparse I/O @ 0x02ec (--) Mach64: card type: PCI (--) Mach64: Memory type: 5 (--) Mach64: Clock type: ATI18818-1/ICS2595 (--) Mach64: Maximum allowed dot-clock: 135.000 MHz (**) Mach64: Mode 1152x864: mode clock = 92.000 (**) Mach64: Mode 1024x768: mode clock = 85.000 (**) Mach64: Mode 800x600: mode clock = 50.000 (**) Mach64: Mode 640x480: mode clock = 31.500 (**) Mach64: Mode 1280x1024: mode clock = 80.000 (**) Mach64: Virtual resolution: 1280x1024 (--) Mach64: videoram: 4096k (--) Mach64: Using hardware cursor (--) Mach64: Using 8 MB aperture @ 0xfa00 (--) Mach64: Ramdac is ATI68860 Rev C (**) Mach64: Color weight: 565 (--) Mach64: Pixmap cache: 1 256x256 slots, 2 128x128 slots, 8 64x64 slots (--) Mach64: Font cache: 16 fonts Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed' When reporting a problem related to a server crash, please send the full server output, not just the last messages _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111 giving up. xinit: Connection refused (errno 111): unable to connect to X server xinit: No such process (errno 3): Server error. Please, please someone help me. It is so frustrating to work on the text console only. TALIA, Andy. Andy Spiegl, University of Technology, Muenchen, Germany E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] OR: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.appl-math.tu-muenchen.de/~spiegl PGP fingerprint: B8 48 24 7B DB 96 6F 1C D9 6D 8E 6C DB C2 E7 E9 o _ _ _ - __o __o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) --- _`\,__`\,__(_) (_)/_\_| \ _|/' \/ -- (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)(_) (_)(_)' _\o_ ~~~ Andy Spiegl, University of Technology, Muenchen, Germany E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] OR: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.appl-math.tu-muenchen.de/~spiegl PGP fingerprint: B8 48 24 7B DB 96 6F 1C D9 6D 8E 6C DB C2 E7 E9 o _ _ _ - __o __o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) --- _`\,__`\,__(_) (_)/_\_| \ _|/' \/ -- (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)(_) (_)(_)' _\o_ ~~~ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Basic Debian hd mounting...
Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snip] it is dangerous! be aware that the permission is set to rwxrwxrwx and everyone can ERASE files in this partition!!! What kind of setup does this? From my machine at work: /dev/hda4 /mnt/win95 vfatnoexec 0 0 % ls -l /mnt/win95/autoexec.bat -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 269 Sep 12 10:26 /mnt/win95/autoexec.bat -- Carey Evans * http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/c.evans/ gc kernel: Warning: possible SYN flooding. Sending cookies. kernel: validated probe(17f, 17f, 11557, 5010, -1645409555) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Netscape BS Del Problems
Paul Serice wrote: From everything I've read in the HOWTO and in the mini-HOWTO and in the Motif HOWTO and the Netscape FAQ section on this, everyone seems to have trouble getting BackSpace to work properly with Netscape. I have just the opposite problem: Delete doesn't work. I do not have a ~/.motifbind file. To my knowledge, I do not have any entries in ~/.Xresources which would modify the way Motif works. I am using communicator 4.03 and had also this problem. I found however that there was the following in the /etc/X11/Xresources file from the installation: ! /etc/X11/Xresources ! ! This is the global Xresources file. It is used by both xdm and xinit. ! ! Fix Motif client handling of backspace/delete ! *XmText.translations: #override\n\ KeyosfDelete: delete-previous-character() *XmTextField.translations: #override\n\ KeyosfDelete: delete-previous-character() Now this fix seams to do just the opposite what we want. Therfore I've commented it out. After restarting the X-Server and netscape the problem was solved. Perhaps one can avoid the server restart when substituting delete-previous-character() by delete-next-character() above, executing xrdb -merge /etc/X11/Xresources and restarting netscape. Hope this will be of some help, Markus. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Lilo on dual boot system with reformatting
Hi all, I just got Debian linux on CD and following the advice of friends I partitioned my Windows 95 Harrdisk to 2 partitions FAT32 for W95 and un-partitioned for linux. My Question is now how can I install LILO on the boot sector of the FAT32 partition to make it possible to choose the boot system to use at the startup. If this question is posted in the wrong place please send me the appropriate URL where i can find such information. Thank you -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: kde menus
On 25 Sep 1997, Tibor Simko wrote: hi i am using current debian kde packages (e.g. kdeapps 0.10.01-2), and i have encountered a problem with kpanel menus. namely, when trying update-menus -v: [...] Udate-menus: Running method:/etc/menu-methods//kde Unknown identifier in script -f: Aborting. [...] which means that /etc/menu-methods/kde file is probably broken. consequently, no debian menus or icons appear in kpanel. Q: is /etc/menu-methods/kde misfunctional in kdeapps 0.10.01-2? I think so. I updated to menu 1.5-2, and then I get this error:# pc138# update-menus At least one of genmenu, startmenu, endmenu, submenutitle is undefined in the config file. All of these have to be defined (although they may be equal to ) /etc/menu-methods//kde: Aborting pc138# --- Heute ist nicht alle Tage, ich komme wieder, keine Frage!!! Joerg -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: X problem after update from REX to BO (detailed error messages now)
Looks like you're missing the FontPath line(s) in the Files section of /etc/X11/XF86Config. Try man XF86Config. Andy Spiegl wrote: According to Steve Hsieh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I encountered the same problem. Doing a mkfontdir /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/* seems to fix the problem for Xfree servers; it still doesn't work after that for AcceleratedX though. Thanks a lot for the hint. Unfortunately it doesn't work for me. :-( I still get these error messages: (this time all of them) XFree86 Version 3.3 / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6300) Release Date: Jun 2 1997 If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting problems. (see http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) Operating System: Linux 2.0.21 i486 [ELF] Configured drivers: Mach64: accelerated server for ATI Mach64 graphics adaptors (Patchlevel 0) (using VT number 4) XF86Config: /etc/X11/XF86Config (**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values (**) XKB: rules: xfree86 (**) XKB: model: pc102 (**) XKB: layout: de (**) XKB: variant: nodeadkeys (**) Mouse: type: MouseMan, device: /dev/mouse, baudrate: 1200 (**) Mach64: Graphics device ID: ATI Graphics Pro Turbo (**) Mach64: Monitor ID: MAG-MX17S (**) FontPath set to tcp/localhost:7100 (--) Mach64: PCI: Mach64 GX rev 3, Aperture @ 0xfa00, Sparse I/O @ 0x02ec (--) Mach64: card type: PCI (--) Mach64: Memory type: 5 (--) Mach64: Clock type: ATI18818-1/ICS2595 (--) Mach64: Maximum allowed dot-clock: 135.000 MHz (**) Mach64: Mode 1152x864: mode clock = 92.000 (**) Mach64: Mode 1024x768: mode clock = 85.000 (**) Mach64: Mode 800x600: mode clock = 50.000 (**) Mach64: Mode 640x480: mode clock = 31.500 (**) Mach64: Mode 1280x1024: mode clock = 80.000 (**) Mach64: Virtual resolution: 1280x1024 (--) Mach64: videoram: 4096k (--) Mach64: Using hardware cursor (--) Mach64: Using 8 MB aperture @ 0xfa00 (--) Mach64: Ramdac is ATI68860 Rev C (**) Mach64: Color weight: 565 (--) Mach64: Pixmap cache: 1 256x256 slots, 2 128x128 slots, 8 64x64 slots (--) Mach64: Font cache: 16 fonts Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed' When reporting a problem related to a server crash, please send the full server output, not just the last messages _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111 giving up. xinit: Connection refused (errno 111): unable to connect to X server xinit: No such process (errno 3): Server error. Please, please someone help me. It is so frustrating to work on the text console only. TALIA, Andy. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
mounting cdrom
When I installed debian the base system from cdrom I was asked the name of the block device. It would not accept cd or cdrom, so I tried hdb. This worked and the install proceded without incident. This may have caused a problem Now I am having trouble mounting the cdrom. Below is my fstab including the various changes I tried. Below that is a list of the command line mounts I tried and the message returned # /etc/fstab: static file system information. # # file system mount point type options dump pass /dev/hda2 / ext2defaults0 1 /dev/hda3 noneswapsw 0 0 proc/procprocdefaults0 0 /dev/hda5 /usr ext2defaults 0 2 /dev/hda6 /var ext2defaults 0 2 /dev/hda7 /home ext2defaults 0 2 /dev/hdb /cdrom iso9660 ro,noauto0 0 on the last entry I also tried /dev/cdrom and /dev/sbpcd These all return message, after typing mount (hdb, cdrom, sbpcd) at a prompt, mount can't find * in /etc/mtab or /etc/fstab. Trying to mount from a command line produced the same results, but a different message. mount -t iso9660 -r /dev/hdb/cdrom produces mount: /dev/hdb already mounted or /cdrom busy I also tried it for cdrom and sbpcd. In all these cases nothing ever appears in /cdrom. What am I doing wrong and how can I fix it? Thankyou Tom ps. Yes, there is a cd in the drive -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: serial port speed
On Wed, 24 Sep 1997, Dave Cinege wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 1997 01:23:03 +1000, Lawrence wrote: Anyone knows the default serail port speed? It is 38,400bps? Which file responsible for this setting? I want to increase it to 115,200bps. 38.4K, yes, /etc/rc.boot/0setserial, use the spd_vhi option. Perhaps there's some history here. I installed Debian 1.3 on a 1997 pentium and setserial -a /dev/ttyS? all say that baud_base is 115200 and Flags: spd_normal... Both mgetty and minicom will satisfactorily handle 115200, so all this messing with spd_vhi seems to be a thing of the past. Presumably, by now, any software that can't ask for 38400 should have a bug report filed against it. -- David Wright, Open University, Earth Science Department, Milton Keynes MK7 6AA U.K. email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel: +44 1908 653 739 fax: +44 1908 655 151 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: boot errors
Torsten Hilbrich wrote:
Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
David R Baker wrote:
I believe the no /usr/bin/X11/xfs found ... error is referring to
a running font server, not the file. The font server does not run
unless you configure it to run. This is merely a nuisance message.
I do not know about the others.
It is a fresh 1.3.1 install and I found that the xfs is called by rc*.d,
I am not using xdm, is it the cause of the problem?
You can simply remove this message by changing /etc/init.d/xfs using
this patch:
--- xfs.old Wed Sep 24 22:34:27 1997
+++ xfs Wed Sep 24 22:34:54 1997
@@ -29,7 +29,10 @@
fi
;;
stop)
+if [ $run_xfs = 1 ]
+then
start-stop-daemon --stop --verbose --exec /usr/bin/X11/xfs
+fi
;;
*)
echo Usage: /etc/init.d/xfs {start|stop}
Torsten
I found it and did that yesterday already. Thanks anyway,
Lawrence
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Re: Basic Debian hd mounting...
Carey Evans wrote: Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snip] it is dangerous! be aware that the permission is set to rwxrwxrwx and everyone can ERASE files in this partition!!! What kind of setup does this? From my machine at work: /dev/hda4 /mnt/win95 vfatnoexec 0 0 % ls -l /mnt/win95/autoexec.bat -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 269 Sep 12 10:26 /mnt/win95/autoexec.bat well not all people can execute/erase files but still not good enough, people can read all files in this partition. try umask umask=007 when mounting it. Lawrence -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Netscape BS Del Problems
Markus M. Schneider wrote: Paul Serice wrote: From everything I've read in the HOWTO and in the mini-HOWTO and in the Motif HOWTO and the Netscape FAQ section on this, everyone seems to have trouble getting BackSpace to work properly with Netscape. I have just the opposite problem: Delete doesn't work. I do not have a ~/.motifbind file. To my knowledge, I do not have any entries in ~/.Xresources which would modify the way Motif works. I am using communicator 4.03 and had also this problem. I found however that there was the following in the /etc/X11/Xresources file from the installation: ! /etc/X11/Xresources ! ! This is the global Xresources file. It is used by both xdm and xinit. ! ! Fix Motif client handling of backspace/delete ! *XmText.translations: #override\n\ KeyosfDelete: delete-previous-character() *XmTextField.translations: #override\n\ KeyosfDelete: delete-previous-character() Now this fix seams to do just the opposite what we want. Therfore I've commented it out. After restarting the X-Server and netscape the problem was solved. Perhaps one can avoid the server restart when substituting delete-previous-character() by delete-next-character() above, executing xrdb -merge /etc/X11/Xresources and restarting netscape. just commenting out the above four lines is ok. substituting previous by next won't help. Lawrence -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: trying to compile gtk+970916....
On Wed, 24 Sep 1997, David Puryear wrote: : Does it detect X11 during execution of the configure-script? : : How do I tell? I think something about it is mentioned in the config.log file. : : I'm using about the same configuration as you described, and didn't have : any : problems at all compiling gtk+970916. : : In gtk+.xconfig, which I think is created by configure-script, I have these : lines: : : X_CFLAGS = -I/usr/X11R6/include : X_LDFLAGS = -L/usr/X11R6/lib : X_LIBS = Hmm, I have -lX11 and -lXext mentioned in that file too. Kinda strange.. Remco -- // Remco van de Meent // email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] // www: http://oloon.student.utwente.nl //Never make any mistaeks. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: X problem after update from REX to BO (detailed error messages now)
According to Bob Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Looks like you're missing the FontPath line(s) in the Files section of /etc/X11/XF86Config. Try man XF86Config. You are right, I commented out the FontPath lines in XF86Config, but I am running xfs. Shouldn't that provide all the fonts? Thanks, Andy. Andy Spiegl, University of Technology, Muenchen, Germany E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] OR: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.appl-math.tu-muenchen.de/~spiegl PGP fingerprint: B8 48 24 7B DB 96 6F 1C D9 6D 8E 6C DB C2 E7 E9 o _ _ _ - __o __o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) --- _`\,__`\,__(_) (_)/_\_| \ _|/' \/ -- (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)(_) (_)(_)' _\o_ ~~~ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: X problem after update from REX to BO (detailed error messages now)
On 25 Sep 1997, Andy Spiegl wrote: According to Bob Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Looks like you're missing the FontPath line(s) in the Files section of /etc/X11/XF86Config. Try man XF86Config. You are right, I commented out the FontPath lines in XF86Config, but I am running xfs. Shouldn't that provide all the fonts? You need to tell X to use the xfs server in your FontPath line then. Check the howtos for details. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
lilo
** Reply to note from George Bonser [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:37:43 -0700 (PDT) Howdy all.:-) Using Rescue disk install program, I have set up Boot Manager, DOS, OS/2 HPFS, Linux ext2, and linux swap partitions on my harddrive. Seems that the floppy install didn't (won't or can't find relevent file(s)) install liloI grabbed lilo_19-2.deb off a debian ftp site. Can I just install this file or do I also need some other files? Thanks:-) It's A Magical World, Hobbes, Ol' Buddy... ...Let's Go Exploring ! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
newsgroup
** Reply to note from George Bonser [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:37:43 -0700 (PDT) Howdy all.:-) See from the docs (and various net searchs) there is a newsgroup called linux.debian.users available but I haven't been able to track down a news server which carries it. Anyone have an address (preferably one that allows postings as well as reading)thanks! :-) It's A Magical World, Hobbes, Ol' Buddy... ...Let's Go Exploring ! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: X problem after update from REX to BO (detailed error messages now)
On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Scott Ellis wrote: On 25 Sep 1997, Andy Spiegl wrote: According to Bob Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Looks like you're missing the FontPath line(s) in the Files section of /etc/X11/XF86Config. Try man XF86Config. You are right, I commented out the FontPath lines in XF86Config, but I am running xfs. Shouldn't that provide all the fonts? You need to tell X to use the xfs server in your FontPath line then. Check the howtos for details. I took a look at the output of the X server in an earlier post and it already uses xfs for the fonts. But you have to configure xfs so that it looks in the right place for the fonts. Take a look at the 'catalogue' line in /etc/X11/xfs/config. You have to set this to exactly the set of font dirs that you have. Xfs is very unforgiving if you specify an unexisting or empty directory (dumps core on my computer). I encountered the same problem when I wanted to start using xfs for the fonts and found that I had to remove the '100dpi' directory from the 'catalogue' line. It now works fine for me. Remco -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Stable means not-changing?
You would think, at least in the case of bash, a bash 2.01 (or whatever) would be compiled against libc5 and put in the bo-updates tree. This orphaning of the 1.3 tree sorta ticks me off. Since the kernel fiasco (2.0.30) had already occurred for the very same reason, and since we've gone through the new version naming upheaval to accomodate CD manufacturers and otherwise promote commercialization of the distribution, it's disheartening to see the mad rush to release debian 2.0. It seems to me they ought to try to wait for 2.0 until Linus thinks a 2.2.x kernel is ready. (Of course, since I don't follow the kernel development, the debian developers probably know something I don't.) I see a real possibility that the stable Debian distribution is going to be quite unstable in the coming year+, so I'd like a rock solid 1.3 point of departure. On Wed, 24 Sep 1997, George Bonser wrote: On 25-Sep-97 Pete Harlan wrote: For the most part, it means non-changing. While it would be nice to fix each package with a problem, doing so always runs the risk of breaking other packages on the system. Verifying the integrity of the system as a Perhaps this has been taken a little too much to heart; I keep updating my system thinking one or two packages must have had some fixes (security being my major concern), but nothing's changed. It's better than having a lot of minor Foo-23.deb -- Foo-24.deb updates, but gives the impression that stable means abandoned. E.g. bash-2.0, which was found to be buggy almost immediately (granted, not with a security issue, but it broke other packages). Under 1.1 and 1.2 these things were fixed right away, which led me to think that security issues would be address equally quickly; 1.3.1 makes a person wonder. I think these things ARE being fixed but the fixes are being compiled against libc6 and the new packages are going into unstable. At this point, you are probably closer to the truth than you know when you call 1.3 abandoned. It is actually libc5 that is abandoned. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re[2]: Stable means not-changing?
On the bash thing...
I think it was a posix compliance thing. The man page for the posix
shell states that { and } are reserved words and the usage is like:
{ list ; }
The man page also states that ; is a metacharacter that can be
replaced by one or more newlines. So the following would presumably
also work:
{
list
}
I also checked the ksh book (The Kornshell Command and Programming
Language) and it said the same thing (in more explicit language on page
125 161).
It seems to me that bash should have honored its extension to allow
{ list }
in any event. The key here is that it was always an extension and not
standard behavior. How serious a bug it is depends on how much you
follow posix. I probably would not have seen this bug since I use linux
as a home environment to support my work on hpux and dec osf1. Those
systems require the posix/ksh form...
jim
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Date:9/24/97 8:24 PM
[cut stuff]
--Pete
[*] Does anyone know where there was a doc explaining that { foo }
suddenly had to become { foo; } when upgrading to Bash-2.0? That
only choked on about a hundred of my scripts that had worked fine
under 1.14 (or whatever it was)...
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Re: X problem after update from REX to BO (detailed error messages now)
You didn't say (and I can't figure out from your error messages) whether or not you are using AcceleratedX. If so, you need to go into all of your font directories and gunzip the fonts, then ncompress them if you have it, then do the mkfontdir step. AcceleratedX can't do gzipped fonts, but it does understand compressed fonts. If this is your problem, I can forward you a message from Xi Graphics support that gives you the step by step details. Kevin On 25 Sep 1997, Andy Spiegl wrote: According to Steve Hsieh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I encountered the same problem. Doing a mkfontdir /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/* seems to fix the problem for Xfree servers; it still doesn't work after that for AcceleratedX though. Thanks a lot for the hint. Unfortunately it doesn't work for me. :-( I still get these error messages: (this time all of them) XFree86 Version 3.3 / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6300) Release Date: Jun 2 1997 If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting problems. (see http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) Operating System: Linux 2.0.21 i486 [ELF] Configured drivers: Mach64: accelerated server for ATI Mach64 graphics adaptors (Patchlevel 0) (using VT number 4) XF86Config: /etc/X11/XF86Config (**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values (**) XKB: rules: xfree86 (**) XKB: model: pc102 (**) XKB: layout: de (**) XKB: variant: nodeadkeys (**) Mouse: type: MouseMan, device: /dev/mouse, baudrate: 1200 (**) Mach64: Graphics device ID: ATI Graphics Pro Turbo (**) Mach64: Monitor ID: MAG-MX17S (**) FontPath set to tcp/localhost:7100 (--) Mach64: PCI: Mach64 GX rev 3, Aperture @ 0xfa00, Sparse I/O @ 0x02ec (--) Mach64: card type: PCI (--) Mach64: Memory type: 5 (--) Mach64: Clock type: ATI18818-1/ICS2595 (--) Mach64: Maximum allowed dot-clock: 135.000 MHz (**) Mach64: Mode 1152x864: mode clock = 92.000 (**) Mach64: Mode 1024x768: mode clock = 85.000 (**) Mach64: Mode 800x600: mode clock = 50.000 (**) Mach64: Mode 640x480: mode clock = 31.500 (**) Mach64: Mode 1280x1024: mode clock = 80.000 (**) Mach64: Virtual resolution: 1280x1024 (--) Mach64: videoram: 4096k (--) Mach64: Using hardware cursor (--) Mach64: Using 8 MB aperture @ 0xfa00 (--) Mach64: Ramdac is ATI68860 Rev C (**) Mach64: Color weight: 565 (--) Mach64: Pixmap cache: 1 256x256 slots, 2 128x128 slots, 8 64x64 slots (--) Mach64: Font cache: 16 fonts Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed' When reporting a problem related to a server crash, please send the full server output, not just the last messages _X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111 giving up. xinit: Connection refused (errno 111): unable to connect to X server xinit: No such process (errno 3): Server error. Please, please someone help me. It is so frustrating to work on the text console only. TALIA, Andy. Andy Spiegl, University of Technology, Muenchen, Germany E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] OR: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.appl-math.tu-muenchen.de/~spiegl PGP fingerprint: B8 48 24 7B DB 96 6F 1C D9 6D 8E 6C DB C2 E7 E9 o _ _ _ - __o __o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) --- _`\,__`\,__(_) (_)/_\_| \ _|/' \/ -- (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)(_) (_)(_)' _\o_ ~~~ Andy Spiegl, University of Technology, Muenchen, Germany E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] OR: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.appl-math.tu-muenchen.de/~spiegl PGP fingerprint: B8 48 24 7B DB 96 6F 1C D9 6D 8E 6C DB C2 E7 E9 o _ _ _ - __o __o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) --- _`\,__`\,__(_) (_)/_\_| \ _|/' \/ -- (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)(_) (_)(_)' _\o_ ~~~ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
X Fonts and Emacs
Does emacs know about all the fonts available on the system? Are there other fonts around? there's a gulf of difference bwe excuse me... there's a gulf of difference between 9x15 and 10x20, but I don't see any fonts in between them. Just wondering. I apologize, as this is undoubtedly not a question for this list. If I don't get an answer, maybe I'll try a newsgroup. Alan Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: kde menus
On 25 Sep 1997, Tibor Simko wrote:
hi
i am using current debian kde packages (e.g. kdeapps 0.10.01-2), and i
have encountered a problem with kpanel menus. namely, when trying
update-menus -v:
[...]
Udate-menus: Running method:/etc/menu-methods//kde
Unknown identifier in script
-f: Aborting.
[...]
which means that /etc/menu-methods/kde file is probably broken.
consequently, no debian menus or icons appear in kpanel.
Q: is /etc/menu-methods/kde misfunctional in kdeapps 0.10.01-2?
I think so. I updated to menu 1.5-2, and then I get this error:#
Good thing (to upgrade to menu-1.5). I'd like to urge more users of
stable with problems with menu files (or the _very_ cryptic error
messages of menu-1.3) to upgrade to menu-1.5-4. I've put a
libc5 version of menu_1.5_4 at:
ftp://rulcmc.leidenuniv.nl/debian/upload/libc5
This has several improvements, seems rather/very stable, and, most of
all, has a _lot_ better error messages:
pc138# update-menus
At least one of genmenu, startmenu, endmenu, submenutitle
is undefined in the config file. All of these have to be
defined (although they may be equal to )
/etc/menu-methods//kde: Aborting
Just compare that to `Unknown identifier in script'.
So, please, everybody, upgrade to menu_1.5_4. (If it is at all possible,
I'd like to get it included in the next stable-fixes. If there are
more people like you who test it, I may have more chance of getting
it in stable).
Thanks,
--
joost witteveen, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: trying to compile gtk+970916....
On 25-Sep-97 Remco van de Meent wrote: Hmm, I have -lX11 and -lXext mentioned in that file too. Kinda strange.. I just reinstalled xlib6 and xlib6-dev_3.3-3 and rebooted. After that, I ran configure-script again and everything compiled without any error.:-) Thanks, David Remco -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: X problem after update from REX to BO (detailed error messages now)
I took a look at the output of the X server in an earlier post and it already uses xfs for the fonts. But you have to configure xfs so that it looks in the right place for the fonts. Take a look at the 'catalogue' line in /etc/X11/xfs/config. You have to set this to exactly the set of font dirs that you have. Xfs is very unforgiving if you specify an unexisting or empty directory (dumps core on my computer). I encountered the same problem when I wanted to start using xfs for the fonts and found that I had to remove the '100dpi' directory from the 'catalogue' line. It now works fine for me. What is the xfs for? Why using it? Though I don't this daemon, I have no problem using X11. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: mounting cdrom
You have to add the symlink for /dev/cdrom - /dev/hd? to use /dev/cdrom inn commands. My fstab line is: /dev/cdrom /cdrom iso9660 ro,user,unhide. /dev has a line: cdrom - hdb. I type mount /cdrom and voila my cd is mounted. spcd is for cd's on a proprietary cd controller like a Sound Blaster or other. Your kernel might have lost its cd support. Hope this helps a litle. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
debian development
Hi. I'm not sure if this is the right mailing list, if not flame me :) We've (the turkish linux user group) been working on a turkish linux distribution for some time. Its main purpose is to help users whose native lang is not english.. It attracted many people here, and everything goes fine by now . We're in the stage of discussing of packages and menu systems. I want to ask to old debian gurus how they did the scheduling, timing, motivating people, updating the packages, leading the project, etc. . Thought it'd be time saving to learn about mistakes and difficulties you've made during the development stage of debian .. Any information is appreciated, with regards. +---+ | Gorkem Cetin [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | 640K should be enough fo.. *bang* | +---+ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Stable means not-changing?
Hi, According to Civ Kevin F. Havener: You would think, at least in the case of bash, a bash 2.01 (or whatever) would be compiled against libc5 and put in the bo-updates tree. This orphaning of the 1.3 tree sorta ticks me off. Since the kernel fiasco (2.0.30) had already occurred for the very same reason, and since we've gone through the new version naming upheaval to accomodate CD manufacturers and otherwise promote commercialization of the distribution, it's disheartening to see the mad rush to release debian 2.0. It seems to me they ought to try to wait for 2.0 until Linus thinks a 2.2.x kernel is ready. (Of course, since I don't follow the kernel development, the debian developers probably know something I don't.) I see a real possibility that the stable Debian distribution is going to be quite unstable in the coming year+, so I'd like a rock solid 1.3 point of departure. Why not not installing libc6 coexisting with libc5, as described by Scott Ellis´ Mini-Howto which is weekly (?) posted on this list. It proved to be painless for me and has bash-2.01. It is a rather small step, making my system in no way unstable. I can understand the developers, that - once they decided to make the big move to libc6 - see no possibilty to maintain two versions of the same package. This has nothing to with commercialization or a mad rush. Are you a volunteer? If not, then please be a little more calm... Bye kws P.S. Is it safe to install slang0.99.38_0.99.38-2.6.deb from hamm coexisting with the libc5 version? Is slang0.99.34_0.99.38-2.6.deb (from hamm) still libc5? It should be mentioned in the Mini-Howto. -- O##OO##O O##O O##O ==The famous SchwebebahnAA==suspension==AA===AA===railway===AA Dr. Karl-Wilhelm Schulte AA AA AA AA Bergische Univ.-GH/HRZ ,__AA__AA___AA_AA___. Gaussstr. 20 | || || || |X| |X| || || || | D-42097 Wuppertal | || || || |X| |X| || || || | Tel 0202/4392807,Fax -2910 |_|| ||___|| |X|_|X| ||___|| ||_| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | | |X X| | | | | `==+=+=+=+X===X+=+=+=+==' -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: X problem after update from REX to BO (detailed error messages now)
On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Civ Kevin F. Havener wrote: You didn't say (and I can't figure out from your error messages) whether or not you are using AcceleratedX. If so, you need to go into all of your font directories and gunzip the fonts, then ncompress them if you have it, then do the mkfontdir step. AcceleratedX can't do gzipped fonts, but it does understand compressed fonts. If this is your problem, I can forward you a message from Xi Graphics support that gives you the step by step details. But that doesn't matter if you use xfs for the fonts. Just configure xfs, set the FontPath of the X server to tcp/localhost:7100 and you're all set. Then xfs will handle the fonts (gzipped or not) and the X server uses a standard protocol to ask xfs for them. Remco -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: X problem after update from REX to BO (detailed error messages now)
On Fri, 26 Sep 1997, Lawrence wrote: I took a look at the output of the X server in an earlier post and it already uses xfs for the fonts. But you have to configure xfs so that it looks in the right place for the fonts. Take a look at the 'catalogue' line in /etc/X11/xfs/config. You have to set this to exactly the set of font dirs that you have. Xfs is very unforgiving if you specify an unexisting or empty directory (dumps core on my computer). I encountered the same problem when I wanted to start using xfs for the fonts and found that I had to remove the '100dpi' directory from the 'catalogue' line. It now works fine for me. What is the xfs for? Why using it? Though I don't this daemon, I have no problem using X11. Xfs is the X Font Server. You won't have much problems if you don't use it, but it seems to be better than letting the X server manage the fonts in some cases. For example, you don't have to gunzip all fonts if you are using an X server that doesn't understand gzipped fonts. And of course you can use one font server to serve a whole network of X servers (I have no idea what the performance would be). Remco -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Stable means not-changing?
Points well taken. Don't know what got into me this morning! On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, According to Civ Kevin F. Havener: You would think, at least in the case of bash, a bash 2.01 (or whatever) would be compiled against libc5 and put in the bo-updates tree. This orphaning of the 1.3 tree sorta ticks me off. Since the kernel fiasco (2.0.30) had already occurred for the very same reason, and since we've gone through the new version naming upheaval to accomodate CD manufacturers and otherwise promote commercialization of the distribution, it's disheartening to see the mad rush to release debian 2.0. It seems to me they ought to try to wait for 2.0 until Linus thinks a 2.2.x kernel is ready. (Of course, since I don't follow the kernel development, the debian developers probably know something I don't.) I see a real possibility that the stable Debian distribution is going to be quite unstable in the coming year+, so I'd like a rock solid 1.3 point of departure. Why not not installing libc6 coexisting with libc5, as described by Scott Ellis´ Mini-Howto which is weekly (?) posted on this list. It proved to be painless for me and has bash-2.01. It is a rather small step, making my system in no way unstable. I can understand the developers, that - once they decided to make the big move to libc6 - see no possibilty to maintain two versions of the same package. This has nothing to with commercialization or a mad rush. Are you a volunteer? If not, then please be a little more calm... Bye kws P.S. Is it safe to install slang0.99.38_0.99.38-2.6.deb from hamm coexisting with the libc5 version? Is slang0.99.34_0.99.38-2.6.deb (from hamm) still libc5? It should be mentioned in the Mini-Howto. -- O##OO##O O##O O##O ==The famous SchwebebahnAA==suspension==AA===AA===railway===AA Dr. Karl-Wilhelm Schulte AA AA AA AA Bergische Univ.-GH/HRZ ,__AA__AA___AA_AA___. Gaussstr. 20 | || || || |X| |X| || || || | D-42097 Wuppertal | || || || |X| |X| || || || | Tel 0202/4392807,Fax -2910 |_|| ||___|| |X|_|X| ||___|| ||_| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | | |X X| | | | | `==+=+=+=+X===X+=+=+=+==' -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Basic Debian hd mounting...
On 25 Sep 1997, Carey Evans wrote: Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snip] it is dangerous! be aware that the permission is set to rwxrwxrwx and everyone can ERASE files in this partition!!! What kind of setup does this? From my machine at work: /dev/hda4 /mnt/win95 vfatnoexec 0 0 % ls -l /mnt/win95/autoexec.bat -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 269 Sep 12 10:26 /mnt/win95/autoexec.bat I believe that this is a matter of the mounted file system taking on the permissions of the mount point. Unmount the partition and check the permissions on the mount point. Changing them to something appropriate should fix the problem. Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: X problem after update from REX to BO (detailed error messages now)
According to Remco Blaakmeer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I took a look at the output of the X server in an earlier post and it already uses xfs for the fonts. But you have to configure xfs so that it looks in the right place for the fonts. Take a look at the 'catalogue' line in /etc/X11/xfs/config. You have to set this to exactly the set of font dirs that you have. Xfs is very unforgiving if you specify an unexisting or empty directory (dumps core on my computer). I encountered the same problem when I wanted to start using xfs for the fonts and found that I had to remove the '100dpi' directory from the 'catalogue' line. It now works fine for me. I experienced exactly the same, when I first updated the fonts, but not the Xserver. I had to play around with the Catalogue line until only the valid paths were listed. Then I updated to XFree86 3.3 and could restore the previous Catalogue line. So, I think xfs should be configured fine. Is there any way to make xfs list the fonts it can serve? In order to check the configuration? If that's not it, I am still clueless. Should I - maybe - completely purge X and reinstall it? I'd hate to do it, but if there is no other way... Thanks to all, Andy. Andy Spiegl, University of Technology, Muenchen, Germany E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] OR: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.appl-math.tu-muenchen.de/~spiegl PGP fingerprint: B8 48 24 7B DB 96 6F 1C D9 6D 8E 6C DB C2 E7 E9 o _ _ _ - __o __o /\_ _ \\o (_)\__/o (_) --- _`\,__`\,__(_) (_)/_\_| \ _|/' \/ -- (_)/ (_) (_)/ (_) (_)(_) (_)(_)' _\o_ ~~~ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
AcceleratedX and xfs
That's nice to know. Maybe I should tell Xi Graphics support about this solution. As a commercial server, I can't say for sure they'd feel bound to honor a standard call. Maybe I've lived too long in an M$ dominated world. All I can say is they didn't suggest it to me when I asked them how to make their product interact properly with XFree86 3.3. I had no previous knowledge of xfs. If I get brave, I'll give it a try...naah, my setup isn't broke so I'd better not try to fix it :-). On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Remco Blaakmeer wrote: On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Civ Kevin F. Havener wrote: You didn't say (and I can't figure out from your error messages) whether or not you are using AcceleratedX. If so, you need to go into all of your font directories and gunzip the fonts, then ncompress them if you have it, then do the mkfontdir step. AcceleratedX can't do gzipped fonts, but it does understand compressed fonts. If this is your problem, I can forward you a message from Xi Graphics support that gives you the step by step details. But that doesn't matter if you use xfs for the fonts. Just configure xfs, set the FontPath of the X server to tcp/localhost:7100 and you're all set. Then xfs will handle the fonts (gzipped or not) and the X server uses a standard protocol to ask xfs for them. Remco -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: debian development
On Sep 25, Gorkem Cetin wrote I'm not sure if this is the right mailing list, if not flame me :) It is (more or less). We've (the turkish linux user group) been working on a turkish linux distribution for some time. Its main purpose is to help users whose native lang is not english.. It attracted many people here, and everything goes fine by now . We're in the stage of discussing of packages and menu systems. If you're considering using Debian as a basis for it, you might want to join the debian-i18n list, which deals with internationalization issues in Debian. I want to ask to old debian gurus how they did the scheduling, timing, motivating people, updating the packages, leading the project, etc. . Thought it'd be time saving to learn about mistakes and difficulties you've made during the development stage of debian .. I think that one could write a whole book about the management side of freeware development. I don't feel like writing that now. So, I'll keep it short here. My opinion about what Debian did and still does right is: open development. Aspects of openness: public mailing lists and public bugtracking system provide both strongly structured and less strongly structured forms of communicating among developers and between developers and users; users can easily become developers etc. See e.g. http://www.ccil.org/~esr/writings/cathedral.html Aspects of development: clear technical responsibilities (one maintainer per package; other aspects (ftp, www, docs) also have one person as head), but with an open attitude (no territorialism: maintainers welcome feedback; non-maintainer releases can be done when needed); good communication with upstream developers (through the bugtracking system). Emphasis on doing things (technically) right, rather than give in to pressures like the rest of the world does something this way, why doesn't Debian? HTH, Ray -- POPULATION EXPLOSION Unique in human experience, an event which happened yesterday but which everyone swears won't happen until tomorrow. - The Hipcrime Vocab by Chad C. Mulligan -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Basic Debian hd mounting...
Dale Scheetz wrote: On 25 Sep 1997, Carey Evans wrote: Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snip] it is dangerous! be aware that the permission is set to rwxrwxrwx and everyone can ERASE files in this partition!!! What kind of setup does this? From my machine at work: /dev/hda4 /mnt/win95 vfatnoexec 0 0 % ls -l /mnt/win95/autoexec.bat -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 269 Sep 12 10:26 /mnt/win95/autoexec.bat I believe that this is a matter of the mounted file system taking on the permissions of the mount point. Unmount the partition and check the permissions on the mount point. Changing them to something appropriate should fix the problem. It is not the permissions of the mount point designing the permissions of the partition being mounted. You have to provide the permissions when you mount the partition. In /etc/fstab, use umask/mask to do it. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: X problem after update from REX to BO (detailed error messages now)
Andy Spiegl wrote: According to Remco Blaakmeer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I took a look at the output of the X server in an earlier post and it already uses xfs for the fonts. But you have to configure xfs so that it looks in the right place for the fonts. Take a look at the 'catalogue' line in /etc/X11/xfs/config. You have to set this to exactly the set of font dirs that you have. Xfs is very unforgiving if you specify an unexisting or empty directory (dumps core on my computer). I encountered the same problem when I wanted to start using xfs for the fonts and found that I had to remove the '100dpi' directory from the 'catalogue' line. It now works fine for me. I experienced exactly the same, when I first updated the fonts, but not the Xserver. I had to play around with the Catalogue line until only the valid paths were listed. Then I updated to XFree86 3.3 and could restore the previous Catalogue line. So, I think xfs should be configured fine. Is there any way to make xfs list the fonts it can serve? In order to check the configuration? If that's not it, I am still clueless. Should I - maybe - completely purge X and reinstall it? I'd hate to do it, but if there is no other way... maybe, have a script to parse/verify/modify the font paths. Lawrence -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: X problem after update from REX to BO (detailed error messages now)
Xfs is the X Font Server. You won't have much problems if you don't use it, but it seems to be better than letting the X server manage the fonts in some cases. For example, you don't have to gunzip all fonts if you are using an X server that doesn't understand gzipped fonts. And of course you can use one font server to serve a whole network of X servers (I have no idea what the performance would be). do you mean that X11 uses the xfs if the daemon is running, otherwise, it does it by its own? Lawrence -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: X Fonts and Emacs
Alan Eugene Davis hat gesagt: // Alan Eugene Davis wrote: Does emacs know about all the fonts available on the system? Are there other fonts around? there's a gulf of difference bwe excuse me... there's a gulf of difference between 9x15 and 10x20, but I don't see any fonts in between them. Just wondering. I apologize, as this is undoubtedly not a question for this list. If I don't get an answer, maybe I'll try a newsgroup. Alan Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have the following in my ~/.emacs: -- ;; Here's a good font menu: ;; (setq x-fixed-font-alist '(Font Menu (Misc (6x12 -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--12-110-75-75-c-60-*-1) (6x13 -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-*-1) (lucida 13 -bh-lucidatypewriter-medium-r-normal-sans-0-0-0-0-m-0-*-1) (7x13 -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--13-120-75-75-c-70-*-1) (7x14 -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--14-130-75-75-c-70-*-1) (9x15 -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--15-140-*-*-c-*-*-1) () (clean 8x8 -schumacher-clean-medium-r-normal--*-80-*-*-c-*-*-1) (clean 8x14 -schumacher-clean-medium-r-normal--*-140-*-*-c-*-*-1) (clean 8x10 -schumacher-clean-medium-r-normal--*-100-*-*-c-*-*-1) (clean 8x16 -schumacher-clean-medium-r-normal--*-160-*-*-c-*-*-1) () (sony 8x16 -sony-fixed-medium-r-normal--16-120-100-100-c-80-*-1) () (-- Courier --) (Courier 10 -adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--*-100-*-*-m-*-*-1) (Courier 12 -adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--*-120-*-*-m-*-*-1) (Courier 14 -adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--*-140-*-*-m-*-*-1) (Courier 18 -adobe-courier-medium-r-normal--*-180-*-*-m-*-*-1) (Courier 18-b -adobe-courier-bold-r-normal--*-180-*-*-m-*-*-1) ))) -- I can change the font by clicking the left mouse button and holding SHIFT at the same time. A small buffer menu appears. -- Yours, Frank Barknecht a href=http://www.koeln-online.de/einblick/; Das Koelner Stadt- und Unimagazin /a --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: mounting cdrom
In looking at your problem there could be several things going on. First the way that your /etc/fstab is set up ONLY ROOT can mount the cdrom. If this is what you want that is fine. Secondly when mounting a file system there can be no user in the mount point directory. Ie if root attempted to mount /cdrom and on another tty some attempted to check the /cdrom directory, or cd /cdrom the system will return the error message that you received. I know for I have done it myself having a cursor in /cdrom and attempting to mount the cdrom. Also if your system is a home system, or a very small lan, you could safely make your fstab read: /dev/hdb /cdrom iso9660 ro,noauto,user 0 0 which will allow all users on the system to mount a cdrom without having to be root. I hope that this has helped LeRoy :-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I installed debian the base system from cdrom I was asked the name of the block device. It would not accept cd or cdrom, so I tried hdb. This worked and the install proceded without incident. This may have caused a problem Now I am having trouble mounting the cdrom. Below is my fstab including the various changes I tried. Below that is a list of the command line mounts I tried and the message returned # /etc/fstab: static file system information. # # file system mount point type options dump pass /dev/hda2 / ext2defaults0 1 /dev/hda3 noneswapsw 0 0 proc/procprocdefaults0 0 /dev/hda5 /usr ext2defaults 0 2 /dev/hda6 /var ext2defaults 0 2 /dev/hda7 /home ext2defaults 0 2 /dev/hdb /cdrom iso9660 ro,noauto0 0 on the last entry I also tried /dev/cdrom and /dev/sbpcd These all return message, after typing mount (hdb, cdrom, sbpcd) at a prompt, mount can't find * in /etc/mtab or /etc/fstab. Trying to mount from a command line produced the same results, but a different message. mount -t iso9660 -r /dev/hdb/cdrom produces mount: /dev/hdb already mounted or /cdrom busy I also tried it for cdrom and sbpcd. In all these cases nothing ever appears in /cdrom. What am I doing wrong and how can I fix it? Thankyou Tom ps. Yes, there is a cd in the drive -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- 0 0 http://www.netaxs.com/~ldc/ ___ooO ~ Ooo___ LeRoy D. Cressy /\_/\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computer Consulting ( o.o ) (215) 389-5870 ^ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: serial port speed
David Wright wrote: Perhaps there's some history here. I installed Debian 1.3 on a 1997 pentium and setserial -a /dev/ttyS? all say that baud_base is 115200 and Flags: spd_normal... Both mgetty and minicom will satisfactorily handle 115200, so all this messing with spd_vhi seems to be a thing of the past. Presumably, by now, any software that can't ask for 38400 should have a bug report filed against it. Unless you care about POSIX compliance. IIRC baud_base and whatever's the option to specify divisor allow you to use any clock frequency on your serial port -- as long as hardware supports it. Very neat, but non-POSIX. Which means if software relies on it, it's not POSIX compliant. Conversely, software that asks for 38400 is POSIX compliant and (hopefully) portable. So, you're suggesting that POSIX compliance is a bug, and so is portability :-) -- well, not exactly: that absence of non-standard and non-portable features is a bug. Just kidding -- Dimitri emaziuk at curtin dot edu dot au Please CC to me when replying to Usenet or a list -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Multiple network cards. ARGH!
Remco Blaakmeer wrote: On Wed, 24 Sep 1997, Peter Loje Hansen wrote: [snip] # dmesg|grep ^eth eth0: NE2000 found at 0x320, using IRQ 10. eth1: 3c509 at 0x220 tag 1, BNC port, address 00 20 af 59 c8 1b, IRQ 12. eth2: 3c509 at 0x210 tag 2, BNC port, address 00 20 af 59 cc af, IRQ 5. eth3: 3c509 at 0x230 tag 3, BNC port, address 00 a0 24 b7 0e 77, IRQ 11. ^ Notice that the 3COM cards are sorted by ethernet address. Apparently this is the only order in which Linux will recognize them. So, if you have multiple 3COM cards (don't know if it applies to other cards as well), the card with the lowest ethernet address must always have the lowest 'ethx' number. Remco [snip] Thank you, Remco, for that tip! Apparently this was also my problem with three 3com Cards (3c509). I had the problem, that only two of three cards did work. I have tried to give them the right depending ethX-order and voila, they work. But i wonder why the the driver depends on the order of the ethernet-addresses. Yasarbegin: vcard fn: Yasar Arman n: Arman;Yasar org:ICOS Informatik GmbH adr:;;Markircher Straße 22;Mannheim;Germany;68229; email;internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] title: Dipl.-Inform. tel;work: +49 621 4804-249 tel;fax:+49 621 4804-200 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE end:vcard
Re: Lilo on dual boot system with reformatting
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], writes: Hi all, I just got Debian linux on CD and following the advice of friends I partitioned my Windows 95 Harrdisk to 2 partitions FAT32 for W95 and un-partitioned for linux. My Question is now how can I install LILO on the boot sector of the FAT32 partition to make it possible to choose the boot system to use at the startup. Create /etc/lilo.conf containing the right description of your system and run /sbin/lilo to write the boot sector. I attach my own lilo.conf file as an example. The documentation in /usr/doc/lilo is informative, though rather difficult to grasp at first. binoa1DWLrWET.bin Description: lilo.conf Oliver Elphick[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isle of Wight http://lfix.co.uk/oliver PGP key from public servers; key ID 32B8FAA1 Make it idiot-proof, and someone will breed a better idiot.
Re: Basic Debian hd mounting...
On Fri, 26 Sep 1997, Lawrence wrote: Dale Scheetz wrote: On 25 Sep 1997, Carey Evans wrote: Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snip] it is dangerous! be aware that the permission is set to rwxrwxrwx and everyone can ERASE files in this partition!!! What kind of setup does this? From my machine at work: /dev/hda4 /mnt/win95 vfatnoexec 0 0 % ls -l /mnt/win95/autoexec.bat -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 269 Sep 12 10:26 /mnt/win95/autoexec.bat I believe that this is a matter of the mounted file system taking on the permissions of the mount point. Unmount the partition and check the permissions on the mount point. Changing them to something appropriate should fix the problem. It is not the permissions of the mount point designing the permissions of the partition being mounted. You are correct. I probably should have tried it before I spoke. You have to provide the permissions when you mount the partition. In /etc/fstab, use umask/mask to do it. I assume that this goes into the options collumn in fstab? I just tried to add umask/660 for my dos partition (I understand that FAT and VFAT are different, so this may be why it doesn't work) and the permissions are still the same as before (-rwxr-xr-x). I don't have a VFAT partition to experiment with... Thanks, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: X problem after update from REX to BO (detailed error messages now)
On 25 Sep 1997, Andy Spiegl wrote: According to Remco Blaakmeer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I took a look at the output of the X server in an earlier post and it already uses xfs for the fonts. But you have to configure xfs so that it looks in the right place for the fonts. Take a look at the 'catalogue' line in /etc/X11/xfs/config. You have to set this to exactly the set of font dirs that you have. Xfs is very unforgiving if you specify an unexisting or empty directory (dumps core on my computer). I encountered the same problem when I wanted to start using xfs for the fonts and found that I had to remove the '100dpi' directory from the 'catalogue' line. It now works fine for me. I experienced exactly the same, when I first updated the fonts, but not the Xserver. I had to play around with the Catalogue line until only the valid paths were listed. Then I updated to XFree86 3.3 and could restore the previous Catalogue line. So, I think xfs should be configured fine. Is there any way to make xfs list the fonts it can serve? In order to check the configuration? Look at fsinfo and fslsfonts (and anything else starting with fs). (BTW I /did/ think you were running a different Xserver in my private mail - perhaps something I misread in an earlier post.) -- David Wright, Open University, Earth Science Department, Milton Keynes MK7 6AA U.K. email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel: +44 1908 653 739 fax: +44 1908 655 151 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
ISA Adaptec and RAM 16 megs
Hi, I installed debian 1.3.2 on my porty computer which is an older Pentium (60) with an adaptec 1542cf ISA scsi controller. As soon as I install more than 16 megs of memory the system crashes sooner or later without any message. Reducing the memory to 16 megs stops the crashes. Can I use the adaptec1542cf only with a maximum of 16 megs ? Can't believe ! Bye berni - / - -- /_ Please respond to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or: \/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] and to nothing else ! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Netscape BS Del Problems
Markus, Thanks s much! I didn't even think to look in the global resource file. Paul Serice - Markus M. Schneider wrote: Paul Serice wrote: From everything I've read in the HOWTO and in the mini-HOWTO and in the Motif HOWTO and the Netscape FAQ section on this, everyone seems to have trouble getting BackSpace to work properly with Netscape. I have just the opposite problem: Delete doesn't work. I do not have a ~/.motifbind file. To my knowledge, I do not have any entries in ~/.Xresources which would modify the way Motif works. I am using communicator 4.03 and had also this problem. I found however that there was the following in the /etc/X11/Xresources file from the installation: ! /etc/X11/Xresources ! ! This is the global Xresources file. It is used by both xdm and xinit. ! ! Fix Motif client handling of backspace/delete ! *XmText.translations: #override\n\ KeyosfDelete: delete-previous-character() *XmTextField.translations: #override\n\ KeyosfDelete: delete-previous-character() Now this fix seams to do just the opposite what we want. Therfore I've commented it out. After restarting the X-Server and netscape the problem was solved. Perhaps one can avoid the server restart when substituting delete-previous-character() by delete-next-character() above, executing xrdb -merge /etc/X11/Xresources and restarting netscape. Hope this will be of some help, Markus. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: ISA Adaptec and RAM 16 megs
Berni Ernst wrote: Hi, I installed debian 1.3.2 on my porty computer which is an older Pentium (60) with an adaptec 1542cf ISA scsi controller. As soon as I install more than 16 megs of memory the system crashes sooner or later without any message. Reducing the memory to 16 megs stops the crashes. Can I use the adaptec1542cf only with a maximum of 16 megs ? Can't believe ! I'd guess that it's just the 16 MB whole. Check out the Installation dock and grep for 16. I've got a similar Adaptec and it runs fine. Enjoy -- Greg. -- What do you want to spend today? Debian GNU/Linux (Free for an UNLIMITED time) http://www.debian.org/social_contract.html Greg VenceKH2EA/4 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: laptop resume and apmd
Bruce Perens writes: My hypothesis is that apmd is swapped out when the user-suspend signal comes in (because there is so little RAM). It takes too long to run, and thus the laptop doesn't suspend properly. I also notice that it is logging resume, but not suspend. Is anyone else experiencing this? No. Another guess at what may be happening is that the computer shuts down during a write to the disk. AFAIK, the APM BIOS will signal to apmd that it has received a suspend request, and then wait for a confirmation that it can perform the actual suspend operation. If no confirmation arrives within 20 seconds, it will suspend regardless. apmd, upon receipt of a suspend request, calls sync, sleeps for 2 seconds, and then signals to the APM BIOS that the machine is ready for the suspend. Perhaps these 2 seconds aren't long enough and the suspend happens during the write to disk. (Not using apmd means that the disk isn't sync'ed at all.) A possible solution might then be to get the sources of apmd and make it sleep longer before suspending. The relevant sleep call is found in the apm_suspend function in apmlib.c. -- Olaf Weber -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Basic Debian hd mounting...
Dale Scheetz wrote: I assume that this goes into the options collumn in fstab? I just tried to add umask/660 for my dos partition (I understand that FAT and VFAT are different, so this may be why it doesn't work) and the permissions are still the same as before (-rwxr-xr-x). I don't have a VFAT partition to experiment with... /dev/sda1/cvfatumask=007,rw,gid=101 0 1 and drwxrwx--- 39 root msdos8192 Jan 1 1970 /c Lawrence -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: X problem after update from REX to BO (detailed error messages now)
On 25 Sep 1997, Andy Spiegl wrote: According to Remco Blaakmeer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I took a look at the output of the X server in an earlier post and it already uses xfs for the fonts. But you have to configure xfs so that it looks in the right place for the fonts. Take a look at the 'catalogue' line in /etc/X11/xfs/config. You have to set this to exactly the set of font dirs that you have. Xfs is very unforgiving if you specify an unexisting or empty directory (dumps core on my computer). I encountered the same problem when I wanted to start using xfs for the fonts and found that I had to remove the '100dpi' directory from the 'catalogue' line. It now works fine for me. I experienced exactly the same, when I first updated the fonts, but not the Xserver. I had to play around with the Catalogue line until only the valid paths were listed. Then I updated to XFree86 3.3 and could restore the previous Catalogue line. So, I think xfs should be configured fine. Is there any way to make xfs list the fonts it can serve? In order to check the configuration? Try: fsinfo -server localhost:7100 fslsfonts -server localhost:7100 If that's not it, I am still clueless. Should I - maybe - completely purge X and reinstall it? I'd hate to do it, but if there is no other way... If xfs is properly configured and running, and if the FontPath in XF86Config is set to tcp/localhost:7100, there should really be no problem. Remco -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: X problem after update from REX to BO (detailed error messages now)
On Fri, 26 Sep 1997, Lawrence wrote: Xfs is the X Font Server. You won't have much problems if you don't use it, but it seems to be better than letting the X server manage the fonts in some cases. For example, you don't have to gunzip all fonts if you are using an X server that doesn't understand gzipped fonts. And of course you can use one font server to serve a whole network of X servers (I have no idea what the performance would be). do you mean that X11 uses the xfs if the daemon is running, otherwise, it does it by its own? No, you will have to tell the X server that it must use the font server. Look in /etc/X11/XF86Config for some lines like: FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/ Place a '#' in front of all those lines, and add a line: FontPath tcp/localhost:7100 This will cause the X server to try to make the connection with xfs at localhost, port 7100. If xfs is not running, the X server will fail to start because it can't find any fonts. Remco -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: mounting cdrom
On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now I am having trouble mounting the cdrom. Below is my fstab including the various changes I tried. Below that is a list of the command line mounts I tried and the message returned /dev/hdb /cdrom iso9660 ro,noauto0 0 on the last entry I also tried /dev/cdrom and /dev/sbpcd You'll do best to make a symlink from /dev/cdrom to /dev/whatever. mount -t iso9660 -r /dev/hdb/cdrom produces mount: /dev/hdb already mounted or /cdrom busy I also tried it for Try just mount and see what it lists. What am I doing wrong and how can I fix it? It sounds like your cdrom might not be on /dev/hda ... what is it attached to? The system ide controller? A scsi controller? A Soundblaster? Will [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cis.udel.edu/~lowe/ * Good Idea: Feeding Stray Cats in the Park. Bad Idea: Feeding Stray Cats in the park ... to a bear. * -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Shrinking e2fs partition?
Hello all! Has anyone developped a method of shrinking a Linux e2fs filesystem partition? I know that fips will shirnk DOS partitions, and I've tried Partition Magic 2.0 which can play with other types of partitions but haven't found anything that could do it with an Linux e2fs partition. Would the newer version of Partition Magic do it? Or is there some other program. I'd like to avoid a reinstall if I could. Richard.. - Richard Dansereau Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home page: http://pobox.com/~rdanse Electrical and Computer Engineering - University of Manitoba - Canada - -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
XServers and P9100 chipset
I'm a brand new Linux user, still installing/configuring Debian 1.3.1. I have a Diamond Viper SE PCI video card with the P9100 chipset. I tried installing the XServer_P9000 (I'm not at my machine and don't have the precise name) first, but couldn't get it to work. Reading the Readme, I found out that it does not support the P9100 chipset. Does anyone use the same video card I have? What XServer have you found to work? Can you give hints to set it up? Many thanks for any help/suggestions. Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
formatted floppy type??
Hi all. Is there any way of determining which kind of filesystem a floppy has been formatted with? The reason I'm asking is because my boot floppy and install disks don't seem to respond to either ext2 or dos when I try to mount them. Or maybe because I'm a newbie at linux I am issuing the wrong command??? :-) It's A Magical World, Hobbes, Ol' Buddy... ...Let's Go Exploring ! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: formatted floppy type??
On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Lawrence Lucier wrote: Hi all. reason I'm asking is because my boot floppy and install disks don't seem to respond to either ext2 or dos when I try to mount them. Or maybe because I'm a newbie at linux I am issuing the wrong command??? :-) It's entirely possible -- you should be doing someting like mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt You can alternatively make a /floppy directory and mount the disk there instead of on /mnt. Will [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cis.udel.edu/~lowe/ * Good Idea: Feeding Stray Cats in the Park. Bad Idea: Feeding Stray Cats in the park ... to a bear. * -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: network settings
George Bonser writes: Doing the network setup from the install disk should set everything up correctly including resolv.conf, etc. Perhaps a network configuration utility could be created from the network install and put in base? -- John HaslerThis posting is in the public domain. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do with it what you will. Dancing Horse Hill Make money from it if you can; I don't mind. Elmwood, Wisconsin Do not send email advertisements to this address. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: X problem after update from REX to BO (detailed error messages now)
Remco Blaakmeer wrote: No, you will have to tell the X server that it must use the font server. Look in /etc/X11/XF86Config for some lines like: FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/ Place a '#' in front of all those lines, and add a line: FontPath tcp/localhost:7100 This will cause the X server to try to make the connection with xfs at localhost, port 7100. If xfs is not running, the X server will fail to start because it can't find any fonts. If I put 'FontPath tcp/localhost:7100' the very first line and follow by others font paths, do you think the X server will try to use the xfs, if fails it uses the others. Lawrence -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Packages
I just downloaded the floppy images but now I can't download the Packages. I have the instructions from the web site. I'm downloading from ftp://ftp.debian.org/pub/debian/stable/Packages It says there is no such directory. Is there some other way to find out which Packages to download to give functionality to the OS? Thanks -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Basic Debian hd mounting...
On Fri, 26 Sep 1997, Lawrence wrote: Dale Scheetz wrote: I assume that this goes into the options collumn in fstab? I just tried to add umask/660 for my dos partition (I understand that FAT and VFAT are different, so this may be why it doesn't work) and the permissions are still the same as before (-rwxr-xr-x). I don't have a VFAT partition to experiment with... /dev/sda1/cvfatumask=007,rw,gid=101 0 1 and drwxrwx--- 39 root msdos8192 Jan 1 1970 /c Lawrence Thanks for the clarification. This format works for the fat file system as well. I can only assume that group 101 is the msdos group? Thanks again, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Packages
I just downloaded the floppy images but now I can't download the Packages. I have the instructions from the web site. I'm downloading from ftp://ftp.debian.org/pub/debian/stable/Packages It says there is no such directory. Is there some other way to find out which Packages to download to give functionality to the OS? Mark, you first have to install the base system from those (seven?) floppies you downloaded. Set up ypur dial up (i.e. configure ppp) if you don't have a permanent net connection. After that, you can (just as an option) start dselect, choose ftp method and point it do ftp.debian.org, select packages you want to download and install and let this fine program do the work by downloading and installing them. Another way is to go to debian web site (http://www.debian.org), choose Packages link and examine all the available ones with possibility to download them right on the spot. You would have to install them with the command dpkg -i *.deb as a root. Good luck. Alex Y. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Packages
On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Mark Bellamy wrote: I'm downloading from ftp://ftp.debian.org/pub/debian/stable/Packages It says there is no such directory. Packages is a file, not a directory. It contains a listing with descriptions of the individual Debian packages. To install the system, do as Alex suggests and first install the base system. Then you can install the rest of the system in a few different ways. For example, you could use the ftp access method of dselect. Syrus. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Syrus Nemat-Nasser [EMAIL PROTECTED]UCSD Physics Dept. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: formatted floppy type??
Addressed to: Will Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] debian-user@lists.debian.org ** Reply to note from Will Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu, 25 Sep 1997 15:14:08 -0400 (EDT) reason I'm asking is because my boot floppy and install disks don't seem to respond to either ext2 or dos when I try to mount them. Or maybe because I'm a newbie at linux I am issuing the wrong command??? :-) It's entirely possible -- you should be doing someting like mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt Howdy Will...thanks for the reply. :-) Seems it's just the four 1.44 base install disks that don't respond to either: mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt or mount -t ext2 /dev/fd0 /mnt VFS gives an error message stating Can't find valid MSDOS/ext2 filesystem on dev 02:00. BTW, would you happen to know what the 02:00 describes? Thanks again...:-) It's A Magical World, Hobbes, Ol' Buddy... ...Let's Go Exploring ! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
DOSKey equivalent
Howdy all:-) Just wondering if there is a proggie analogous to MSDOS's DOSKey (which saves typed in keystrokes and then allows the user to recall them by using the arrow keys)? Thanks...:-) PS.I am having trouble getting past the installation floppy boot stage so even though a program like this might be included in a future package install I haven't reached that stage yet. It's A Magical World, Hobbes, Ol' Buddy... ...Let's Go Exploring ! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: formatted floppy type??
On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Lawrence Lucier wrote: Is there any way of determining which kind of filesystem a floppy has been formatted with? The reason I'm asking is because my boot floppy and install disks don't seem to respond to either ext2 or dos when I try to mount them. Or maybe because I'm a newbie at linux I am issuing the wrong command??? :-) The boot disk may be a raw kernel image. No filesystem, just the kernel. If it's a lilo disk made during installation, it's probably msdos (mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt). The install disk for the base system are probably a multi volume tar archive. See the tar man page about these. It's A Magical World, Hobbes, Ol' Buddy... ...Let's Go Exploring ! Like the sig. Brandon - Brandon Mitchell E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/7877/home.html PGP: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] We all know Linux is great...it does infinite loops in 5 seconds. --Linus Torvalds -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: formatted floppy type??
On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Lawrence Lucier wrote: Howdy Will...thanks for the reply. :-) Seems it's just the four 1.44 base install disks that don't respond to either: Um, I think that these (correct me if I'm wrong, someone) probably DON'T contain an msdos or ext2 filesystem. They're boot images and memory images, not normal diskettes. The rescue disk, for example, contains a ramdisk image used as a root partition while installing... BTW, would you happen to know what the 02:00 describes? Not a clue. Sorry. Will [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cis.udel.edu/~lowe/ * Good Idea: Feeding Stray Cats in the Park. Bad Idea: Feeding Stray Cats in the park ... to a bear. * -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
LaTeX, docstrip, ntg brief.dtx
Does anybody know how I should create a brief.cls from a brief.dtx
with the debian teTeX packages?
The brief.cls supplied with debian is rather old, and I'd like to
see if a more recent version (like that of september the 8th this
year, as opposed to the 1994 version included in debian) does any
better (what we've got now just doesn't work).
So, I've tried, in a directory that contains only brief.dtx,
$latex docstrip
\infileext=dtx
\outfileext=cls
\Options=
\filelist=brief
[crap deleted]
File brief.dtx ended by \endinput.
Lines processed: 2723
Comments removed: 1905
Comments passed: 15
Codelines passed: 794
More files to process (y/n)?
\answer= n
$ wc brief.cls
37 1851378 brief.cls
$ wc brief.dtx
27249420 87928 brief.dt
$ grep -v ^% brief.cls
[1997/09/08 v2.0q
\endinput
So, it simply isn't true what docstrip sais about codelines passed: 794.
It only passed _one_ codeline!
I must be doing something very wrong here! Does somebody know what?
Thanks,
(PS I thought the .dtx basically was the same as the .cls, but with
the comments. As I don't care about speed now, I tried just to
move the .dtx to .cls, but apparently the .dtx has a \documentclass
in it. Strange).
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Re: DOSKey equivalent
On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Lawrence Lucier wrote: Just wondering if there is a proggie analogous to MSDOS's DOSKey (which saves typed in keystrokes and then allows the user to recall them by using the arrow keys)? Well, if you're using the bash shell, it does that automagically. You can even edit the commands you recall with unix (emacs/vi) editor keys. The rescue disks use ash instead of bash; I don't know if it can do the same thing. Once you get the system installed, tho, you're default shell will be bash. Will [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cis.udel.edu/~lowe/ * Good Idea: Feeding Stray Cats in the Park. Bad Idea: Feeding Stray Cats in the park ... to a bear. * -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: DOSKey equivalent
On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Lawrence Lucier wrote: Just wondering if there is a proggie analogous to MSDOS's DOSKey (which saves typed in keystrokes and then allows the user to recall them by using the arrow keys)? that sort of functionality is built into most of the shells (bash, tcsh, zsh). unfortunately, there isn't enough space on the install floppies for a full-featured shellthere was only enough room for the tiny ash shell, which doesn't have command line history or filename completion etc. in other words, it'll be there after you've got through the install. PS.I am having trouble getting past the installation floppy boot stage so even though a program like this might be included in a future package install I haven't reached that stage yet. i don't know if there's any extension program to do it. probably not because there's no real need for one since it's built into the shell. craig -- craig sanders networking consultant Available for casual or contract temporary autonomous zone system administration tasks. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: formatted floppy type??
Lawrence Lucier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: reason I'm asking is because my boot floppy and install disks don't see= m to respond to either ext2 or dos when I try to mount them. Or maybe because I'm a newbie at linux I am issuing the wrong command??= ? :-) It's entirely possible -- you should be doing someting like mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt Howdy Will...thanks for the reply. :-) Seems it's just the four 1.44 b= ase install disks that don't respond to either: mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt or mount -t ext2 /dev/fd0 /mnt The rescue or boot disk should have an msdos file system on it. There is a very handy utility called fdmount in the fdutils package. You can insert a floppy disk then use fdmount to mount it as a file system. fdmount will look for any type of file system that it can recognize on that disk. Here is the result of my putting a rescue floppy in fd0 and fdmount'ing it. $ fdmount fd0 fdmount (/dev/fd0): mounted msdos 1440K-disk (readonly) on /fd0 $ ls -l /fd0 total 1374 -rwxr-xr-x 1 batesbates1102 Aug 1 16:08 debian.txt -rwxr-xr-x 1 batesbates 565 Aug 1 16:08 f1.txt -rwxr-xr-x 1 batesbates 717 Aug 1 16:08 f10.txt -rwxr-xr-x 1 batesbates 418 Aug 1 16:08 f2.txt -rwxr-xr-x 1 batesbates 779 Aug 1 16:08 f3.txt -rwxr-xr-x 1 batesbates 993 Aug 1 16:08 f4.txt -rwxr-xr-x 1 batesbates 926 Aug 1 16:08 f5.txt -rwxr-xr-x 1 batesbates 155 Aug 1 16:08 f6.txt -rwxr-xr-x 1 batesbates 155 Aug 1 16:08 f7.txt -rwxr-xr-x 1 batesbates 155 Aug 1 16:08 f8.txt -rwxr-xr-x 1 batesbates1176 Aug 1 16:08 f9.txt -rwxr-xr-x 1 batesbates1404 Aug 1 16:08 install.sh -r-xr-xr-x 1 batesbates4528 Nov 4 1996 ldlinux.sys -rwxr-xr-x 1 batesbates 634182 Aug 1 16:08 linux -rwxr-xr-x 1 batesbates 115 Aug 1 16:08 rdev.sh -rwxr-xr-x 1 batesbates 886 Aug 1 16:08 readme.txt -rwxr-xr-x 1 batesbates 690183 Aug 1 16:08 root.bin -rwxr-xr-x 1 batesbates 43627 Aug 1 16:08 sys_map.gz -rwxr-xr-x 1 batesbates 970 Aug 1 16:08 syslinux.cfg -rwxr-xr-x 1 batesbates 11938 Aug 1 16:08 syslinux.exe -rwxr-xr-x 1 batesbates 7 Aug 1 16:08 type.txt $ fdumount # remember to do this before ejecting the disk fdumount (/dev/fd0): disk unmounted $ VFS gives an error message stating Can't find valid MSDOS/ext2 filesyste= m on dev 02:00. BTW, would you happen to know what the 02:00 describes? I think they are called the major and minor device numbers. If you look at a long listing the directory /dev you will see numbers associated with each block device such as /dev: total 52 drwxr-xr-x 5 root root19456 Sep 24 23:35 . drwxr-xr-x 24 root root 1024 Aug 23 01:02 .. -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root27616 Sep 20 15:21 MAKEDEV ... lots and lots deleted brw-rw 1 root floppy 2, 0 Aug 5 08:13 fd0 brw-rw 1 root floppy 2, 84 Aug 5 08:13 fd0u1040 IIRC the 2 and 0 on the line for fd0 are magic numbers for the kernel to allow it to access the appropriate device driver. -- Douglas Bates[EMAIL PROTECTED] Statistics Department608/262-2598 University of Wisconsin - Madisonhttp://www.stat.wisc.edu/~bates/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: formatted floppy type??
Douglas Bates [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lawrence Lucier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Howdy Will...thanks for the reply. :-) Seems it's just the four 1.44 b= ase install disks that don't respond to either: I should have read what you actually wrote and not what I thought you wrote :-) You're right - the base disks don't have a file system on them. They are a simply a copy of a cpio or a tar file (I forgot which) that is read directly from the raw device. They are not intended to be used by anything other than the installation procedure. I hope my previous message describing fdmount would be of some use to some users even though it was misdirected at your question. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: DOSKey equivalent
Lawrence, This functionality is built into the default shell (bash). Steve Mayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lawrence Lucier wrote: Howdy all:-) Just wondering if there is a proggie analogous to MSDOS's DOSKey (which saves typed in keystrokes and then allows the user to recall them by using the arrow keys)? Thanks...:-) PS.I am having trouble getting past the installation floppy boot stage so even though a program like this might be included in a future package install I haven't reached that stage yet. It's A Magical World, Hobbes, Ol' Buddy... ...Let's Go Exploring ! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: X problem after update from REX to BO (detailed error messages now)
On Fri, 26 Sep 1997, Lawrence wrote: If I put 'FontPath tcp/localhost:7100' the very first line and follow by others font paths, do you think the X server will try to use the xfs, if fails it uses the others. Hmm, interesting thought. I'll try it. -- wait some time -- No, it doesn't work. With this in XF86Config: FontPath tcp/localhost:7100 FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/ FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/ FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/ FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/ and xfs not running, I get: [all normal messages] (**) FontPath set to tcp/localhost:7100,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/ [more normal messages] _FontTransSocketINETConnect: Can't connect: errno = 111 failed to set default font path 'tcp/localhost:7100,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/' Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed' So, it turns out your suggestion doesn't work here. Remco -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Basic Debian hd mounting...
Dale Scheetz wrote: On Fri, 26 Sep 1997, Lawrence wrote: Dale Scheetz wrote: I assume that this goes into the options collumn in fstab? I just tried to add umask/660 for my dos partition (I understand that FAT and VFAT are different, so this may be why it doesn't work) and the permissions are still the same as before (-rwxr-xr-x). I don't have a VFAT partition to experiment with... /dev/sda1/cvfatumask=007,rw,gid=101 0 1 and drwxrwx--- 39 root msdos8192 Jan 1 1970 /c Lawrence Thanks for the clarification. This format works for the fat file system as well. I can only assume that group 101 is the msdos group? ^ yes:) Lawrence -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: DOSKey equivalent
Will Lowe wrote: On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Lawrence Lucier wrote: Just wondering if there is a proggie analogous to MSDOS's DOSKey (which saves typed in keystrokes and then allows the user to recall them by using the arrow keys)? Well, if you're using the bash shell, it does that automagically. You can even edit the commands you recall with unix (emacs/vi) editor keys. The rescue disks use ash instead of bash; I don't know if it can do the same thing. Once you get the system installed, tho, you're default shell will be bash. you can also do it in tcsh shell. set history=256 savehist=128 Lawrence -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
