How to multitask in X-windows?

1997-10-01 Thread ImmortaL
Hi,
I need to know if there a way in x-windows for example in the shell itself
i would press the alt key and the F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6 to open a new window is
there a way to do this in X?
Thanks in advance
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flip binary

1997-10-01 Thread Akbar Jaffer
Hi I am including this binary which flips the screen on an xserver
for a few seconds and then sets it back to normal. I was wondering
if you have seen this before and if you know or can point me to the
right person to find out what exactly this binary is doing as in the
guts of the program?

thank you

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Re: flip binary

1997-10-01 Thread Joey Hess
Akbar Jaffer wrote:
 Hi I am including this binary which flips the screen on an xserver
 for a few seconds and then sets it back to normal. I was wondering
 if you have seen this before and if you know or can point me to the
 right person to find out what exactly this binary is doing as in the
 guts of the program?

This program is in debian in the xflip package. (I assume it's the same one,
I can't run the sparc binary you attached to make sure ;-) You can look at 
the source.

What I think it does is, it graps a snapshot of the screen, then pops up a
window that covers the whole screen, paints it with the snapshot it took,
and then modifies it to make it look like the screen is flipping.

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Re: xemacs and mail

1997-10-01 Thread Craig Sanders
On 30 Sep 1997, Carey Evans wrote:

 Craig Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 [snip]
 
  yep, i read that.  i even read the rest of the gnus docs on handling mail.
  
  it seems like it's not going to be any good for me because it doesn't want
  to read an mailbox which has new mail being appended to it. 
 
 You can read existing mbox-type files with the nnfolder and/or nndoc
 backends.  With efs, you can probably even do it over FTP.  But not
 with IMAP yet.

yes, but according to the documentation, reading an mbox file which is
being appended to by another process (such as mail, deliver, procmail,
etc) is a bad thing.

the documented way around this, of course, is to have procmail filter
mail into one mbox file and then have gnus regularly move it to an mbox
of it's own.

this would be ok if (a) i didn't have so many incoming folders and (b) i
didn't also have to read my mail from numerous hosts with pine/imap...i
don't want to have to reconfigure my mail filtering/reading tools on
half a dozen hosts just to trial a new way of doing things. it's too
much work, and if i end up not liking the new way then it's just as much
work again to undo it.

this wouldn't be an issue if gnus could do IMAP or if it could use a
mail spool file which was shared RW with other processes.  I'm sure that
neither of these are in the too-hard basket for gnus (after all, pine
can do it) but it's only going to get done if someone who can actually
code emacs lisp (not me) has a need for it.

so, i'll keep on using pine for email right now. and also keep on using
gnus for reading news (and maybe set it up for reading/searching my
archived mail folders). i've only been using gnus for a week now but i
already like it better than anything i've used before (previously i was
an 'nn' fan). if gnus ever does gain the capability to work with mail as
i need it to then i'll happily switch to it.

i am using gnus as a method of learning xemacs. i am really beginning to
like the fact that in emacs and gnus i can switch from any buffer to any
other buffer at any time. e.g. that means i don't have to finish writing
a reply to a newsgroup in order to quickly scan another newsgroup for
news of interest. i can see that would be very useful in mail too - i am
often reading one of my mailing lists, or replying to a message in one,
and need to read my main (/var/spool/mail/cas) inboxwith pine i have
to close the current list and go to my inbox. with xemacs i wouldn't
have to.

i also like the fact that with VIPER, vi emulation is effectively built
into the mail/news readerwith pine it takes a few seconds to run vi
as an external process every time i want to edit a message.

i'll gradually begin to use xemacs for other tasks too - editing config
files and web pages and other text files that i currently use vi for.

so yeah, i can see great benefitsbut not quite enough yet to make me
change completely the way i deal with my mail.


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Re: Printer-setup

1997-10-01 Thread L. L. CoolAid



On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Gernot Bauer wrote:

 My printer prints all formats (ok, a printer is supposed to print ;)
 
 Thanx to all who replied. Especially Pat, Will and Lawrence. 
 
 If others have the same problem: read the howto in /usr/doc/
 (Printer-HOWTO), install magicfilter and run magicfilterconfig as root
 (delete /etc/printcap if you already got one that the config works). 
 

Is it as simple as that? Will I be able to print postscript to a
HPLaserJet 5L without gs-alladin? Does magicfilter create a new
/etc/printcap ??


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Re: How to multitask in X-windows?

1997-10-01 Thread Jason Costomiris
On Tue, Sep 30, 1997 at 07:36:02PM -0400, ImmortaL wrote:
: I need to know if there a way in x-windows for example in the shell itself
: i would press the alt key and the F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6 to open a new window is
: there a way to do this in X?

Uh, open another xterm.

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SVGALIB and S3 Virge.

1997-10-01 Thread Andrew Keen
Hello, I'm a _relative_ newbie to Linux. I'm a competent enough to get
Debian 1.3.1 CD (from LSL) installed. I've gotten the kernel recompiled,
and have gotten diald  sound options compiled.

My question, my only problem, the fly in the ointment of Linux, the
black fly in my Chardonnay is that when I want to run a svgalib
program (X works) at the console it doesn't recognize it and then
-screws- it up.. basically, it runs, but it doesn't recognize my Virge
chip.

As I've looked through DejaNews for the solution to my problem, I've
been unsuccessful in finding a solution that works. Some suggestions
have hinted at faking svgalib into thinking it's the Trio chipset (which
is basicially all Virge really is with some poor 3d functions strapped
on top.)

So, if anyone's had any luck getting this working, please post or
email... Because xquake in a window simply doesn't cut it. :)


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Is Debian Compatible?

1997-10-01 Thread Michael Manlief
Hi,
I'm for the most part a unix novice.  I would like to try the Debian
package, but still be able to to use win95 on my machine (not
simultaneously, of course).  I would like Win95 to be my main operating
system, and just use debian when i want to run unix based software.  Is
this possible?  I'm also reluctant to use the HOWTO installation guide,
because i don't want to wipe out my current windows setup, is the a
HOWTO for people who want to use multi-OS's with debian?
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Re: Announcing TIND: This Is Not Dselect

1997-10-01 Thread Will Lowe
On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Richard Kilgore wrote:

  It uses a /usr/bin/tixwish -- what package is this from?
 
 tix41 in section libs.

Ahh yes,  found it.  The problem is that it depends on xlib6g,  which
conflicts with xlib6.  Is there a bad side to removing xlib6 in favor of
xlib6g?

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Re: problem installing debian

1997-10-01 Thread Hasibul Haque

Hi,

I have a quantum fireball ST6 IDE hardrive with  Pentium II 233 cpu. I
have 1 primary partion with win95 and 2 logical drives - one of them
is empty for linux install the other one has windows nt. 
I am able to boot the rescue floppy but at the menu when I choose
'partition hard disk' I am getting a message thats saying hard drive
could not be detected and to check cables or change driver settings
at boot: prompt or load a driver. Thanks.

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Re: Is Debian Compatible?

1997-10-01 Thread Will Lowe
On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Michael Manlief wrote:

 Hi,
 I'm for the most part a unix novice.  I would like to try the Debian
 package, but still be able to to use win95 on my machine (not
 simultaneously, of course).  I would like Win95 to be my main operating
 system, and just use debian when i want to run unix based software.  Is
 this possible?  
Surely.  I do it (but I found eventually that I use Debian much more than
Win95 :) ).  You'll need to repartition your hard disk to make space for
linux;  this is possible with a few shareware utilities that are around.
I've never had need for them,  but I'm sure someone here can point you in
the right direction.

 HOWTO for people who want to use multi-OS's with debian?
I would check out the directory ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO
for some of this info ... look for Howto's on Dos2linux,  installation,
etc.


Will

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Re: Diald problem

1997-10-01 Thread Paul Serice
Michael Legart wrote:
 Well, I just use the things scripts in /etc/diald. Not long ago, it
 worket fine but it looks like my isp has changest something...
 Before, the first question was : Annex username:, then Annex
 password:, and then at last: annex. The last one is now removed,
 but have have removed the part in the script, with the annex stuff.
 Allso, my modem hangs up, just 1-2 secs. after carrier detect.

A quick look at the /etc/diald/connect script yielded the following:

# When debugging a connection, set DEBUG to -v to increase chat's
# verbosity and to report on this script's progress.  WARNING:
# THIS MIGHT CAUSE YOUR PASSWORD TO SHOW UP IN THE SYSTEM LOGS
# DEBUG=-v

I would suggest uncommenting the DEBUG=-v line and then looking in
your system logs to see exactly what is going on.  It should be a
breeze to solve from there.

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Re: Is Debian Compatible?

1997-10-01 Thread stick
 
 On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Michael Manlief wrote:
 
  Hi,
  I'm for the most part a unix novice.  I would like to try the Debian
  package, but still be able to to use win95 on my machine (not
  simultaneously, of course).  I would like Win95 to be my main operating
  system, and just use debian when i want to run unix based software.  Is
  this possible?  
 Surely.  I do it (but I found eventually that I use Debian much more than
 Win95 :) ).  You'll need to repartition your hard disk to make space for
 linux;  this is possible with a few shareware utilities that are around.
 I've never had need for them,  but I'm sure someone here can point you in
 the right direction.
 
One word (3 times)...BACKUP BACKUP BACKUP!!!

If you have stuff in your win95 drives that has value to you, then you
*must* do the backup before you start.  Having a known good backup of your
data allows you the freedom to experiment with different configurations.
It also provides for the inevitable Oops! that's sure to happen when
you start doing some of this administrative-level stuff for the first time.
It's easy to say that you won't do anything until you're *SURE* of the
consequences.  Much harder to pull it off.  We've all had it happen to
us one time or the other.

If you don't have a backup device with enough capacity to backup your
data easily, I'd suggest that you make that your next major purchase.
After all, you are running Windows 95.  I can't imagine that the DOS
file-system takes kindly to the sorts of system crashes that seem to
accompany some of the software that's out there...

  HOWTO for people who want to use multi-OS's with debian?
 I would check out the directory ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO
 for some of this info ... look for Howto's on Dos2linux,  installation,
 etc.
 
I agree with Will.  Read the HOWTO's from Sunsite and ask the list if
any specific issue seems to be confusing.  FIPS is a nice tool for DOS
file-systems - though you have to do some planning to make sure you don't
end-up with a DOS partition that has a cluster size a lot bigger than you
need!  FIPS does not (at least the versions I used many moons ago...)
change cluster size.  Therefore, try to create a *new* partition that's
the size you want for DOS.  Format the partition and then copy the data
over to the new one.  Reboot to test things before you delete the original
partition.

Once you're sure that the DOS/Windows stuff is still OK (oxymoron anyone?)
recreate the partition(s) needed for Linux.  I'd recommend two partitions for
the beginner - one as swap, one as file-system.  Later, you can check the
usage of various branches of the file-system and then backup/recreate/restore
to a layout with multiple partitions (preferred).

Good luck.
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Re: ZIP IDE

1997-10-01 Thread Steve Hsieh
The zip IDE is not a scsi device; the scsi driver won't work with it. 
However, I believe there is support for it in the new developmental 2.1.x
kernels, something having to do with having full IDE ATAPI support.  I
don't know what the status of it is though. 


On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Chad D. Zimmerman wrote:

 On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Pierre GAMBAROTTO wrote:
 
  
  All is in the subject. How can I use a iomega zip with
  an IDE interface with linux ?
  
 
 By default the kernel has support precompiled in for zip.  As long as it
 is connected at turn on, it will be found as /dev/sda4 (or sba4, i forget
 which)
 
 Other wise, compile a kernal, include scsi support, zip is under the scsi
 section.
 
 
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Re: ZIP IDE

1997-10-01 Thread Chad D. Zimmerman
On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Steve Hsieh wrote:


Actually ... it is a scsi... parallel port is a kind of scsi and under
linux is seen as a true scsi device (and is faster than in dos)

Here is how it comes up:

scsi0 : PPA driver version 0.26 using 4-bit mode on port 0x378.
scsi : 1 host.
Vendor: IOMEGAModel: ZIP 100 Rev: D.09
Type:   Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Detected scsi removable disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 6, lun 0
scsi : detected 1 SCSI disk total.
SCSI device sda: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 196608 [96 MB] [0.1 GB]
sda: Write Protect is off
Partition check:
sda: sda4

My kernel is 2.0.30

Now, there have been troubles with the internal model, maybe we are
talking about that one and not the external one?

Chad

 The zip IDE is not a scsi device; the scsi driver won't work with it. 
 However, I believe there is support for it in the new developmental 2.1.x
 kernels, something having to do with having full IDE ATAPI support.  I
 don't know what the status of it is though. 
 
 
 On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Chad D. Zimmerman wrote:
 
  On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Pierre GAMBAROTTO wrote:
  
   
   All is in the subject. How can I use a iomega zip with
   an IDE interface with linux ?
   
  
  By default the kernel has support precompiled in for zip.  As long as it
  is connected at turn on, it will be found as /dev/sda4 (or sba4, i forget
  which)
  
  Other wise, compile a kernal, include scsi support, zip is under the scsi
  section.
  
  
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Re: bo-updates

1997-10-01 Thread Alex Yukhimets
 Hi!
 
 I may be wrong, but:
 
 When bo-updates had the same structure as stable, non-free and contrib,
 one could in fact use dselect to install the bo-updates, just by typing
 
 Enter space seperated list of distributions to get
 [stable non-free contrib]: stable non-free contrib bo-updates
 
 This would be a good solution, stable stays stable! And creating these
 sub-directories wouldn't be _that_ hard... or am I missing something?

Yes, you are :)
You don't need those subdirectories, but just one plain Packages.gz file
in bo-updates/

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ssh going nuts!

1997-10-01 Thread Peyman Gohari
Hi,

In our group we have a single Debian machine surrounded by a bunch of
Redhats:( We have secure shell installed on all, but it behaves  weird
on Redhats from time to time. The problem is that when you try to get a
remote shell using ssh, you may be denied access to the remote host and
get the message you don't exist, go away!. I suppose it's a bug, as it
doesn't happen all the time and moreover, if you keep on trying after a
couple of failures, you finally get through!  

Any clue?

Regards,
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email to pager software???

1997-10-01 Thread Pete Templin

Hello,

I'm working on a project to handle email-to-pager service.  I
found a software tool to do so, but the C program segfaults.

Can anyone suggest a software package, and/or volunteer to help me
debug the problem?

Thanks,

Pete

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Re: How to multitask in X-windows?

1997-10-01 Thread Dave Cinege
On Tue, 30 Sep 1997 20:04:53 -0400, Jason Costomiris wrote:

On Tue, Sep 30, 1997 at 07:36:02PM -0400, ImmortaL wrote:
: I need to know if there a way in x-windows for example in the shell itself
: i would press the alt key and the F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6 to open a new window is
: there a way to do this in X?

Uh, open another xterm.

Think you missed him.

Under X it's crtl-alt-Fx instead of just alt-Fx
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Re: ZIP IDE

1997-10-01 Thread Remco Blaakmeer
On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Chad D. Zimmerman wrote:

 On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Steve Hsieh wrote:
 
 
 Actually ... it is a scsi... parallel port is a kind of scsi and under
 linux is seen as a true scsi device (and is faster than in dos)

Are you talking about the same thing as everybody else? (Hint: look at the
subject.)

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Re: mrouted?

1997-10-01 Thread Keith Beattie
Lawrence wrote:

 what is mrouted?  where to get it?
 

mrouted (multicast router daemon) is the daemon you run to enable your
machine to be a part of the MBONE.  It forwards IP multicast packets
via a unicast tunnel past non-IP-Multicast-aware routers to another
machine running mrouted or a router that can handle IP Multicast
packets.

The existance of the MBONE is rather ingenious: since most Internet
routers can't handle IP multicast yet, the MBONE (Multicast backBONE)
started out as a small (but now large) collection machines running
mrouted and the unicast tunnels between them.  As IP multicast becomes
more common in routers, the MBONE will melt into the Internet as
running mrouted will become unnecessary.  I believe a similar approach
will be taken for IPv6 and so on.

Where you get it depends on the platform, I didn't look but there
might be Debian package for it.  There is a good collection of
references at:

http://www-itg.lbl.gov/mbone#reflinks

HTH,
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Re: Announcing TIND: This Is Not Dselect

1997-10-01 Thread Scott K. Ellis
On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Will Lowe wrote:
 Ahh yes,  found it.  The problem is that it depends on xlib6g,  which
 conflicts with xlib6.  Is there a bad side to removing xlib6 in favor of
 xlib6g?

Yes, you'll break all your X packages.  The proper solution is to upgrade
to a version of xlib6 that xlib6g doesn't conflict with.  That is also
located in unstable.  If you haven't upgraded yet, check out my howto at
http://www.gate.net/~storm/FAQ/

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Re: Printer-setup

1997-10-01 Thread Bob Nielsen
On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, L. L. CoolAid wrote:

 
 
 
 On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Gernot Bauer wrote:
 
  My printer prints all formats (ok, a printer is supposed to print ;)
  
  Thanx to all who replied. Especially Pat, Will and Lawrence. 
  
  If others have the same problem: read the howto in /usr/doc/
  (Printer-HOWTO), install magicfilter and run magicfilterconfig as root
  (delete /etc/printcap if you already got one that the config works). 
  
 
 Is it as simple as that? Will I be able to print postscript to a
 HPLaserJet 5L without gs-alladin? Does magicfilter create a new
 /etc/printcap ??

It probably will create a new printcap, but magicfilter, apsfilter, etc.,
still need ghostscript.


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Re: How to multitask in X-windows?

1997-10-01 Thread Jason Costomiris
On Tue, Sep 30, 1997 at 10:57:00PM -0500, Dave Cinege wrote:
: On Tue, 30 Sep 1997 20:04:53 -0400, Jason Costomiris wrote:
: 
: On Tue, Sep 30, 1997 at 07:36:02PM -0400, ImmortaL wrote:
: : I need to know if there a way in x-windows for example in the shell itself
: : i would press the alt key and the F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6 to open a new window is
: : there a way to do this in X?
: 
: Uh, open another xterm.
: 
: Think you missed him.

I dunno about that.  He asked how to get another shell window under X.

I told him how

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Re: Is Debian Compatible?

1997-10-01 Thread Bob Nielsen
On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Michael Manlief wrote:

 Hi,
 I'm for the most part a unix novice.  I would like to try the Debian
 package, but still be able to to use win95 on my machine (not
 simultaneously, of course).  I would like Win95 to be my main operating
 system, and just use debian when i want to run unix based software.  Is
 this possible?  I'm also reluctant to use the HOWTO installation guide,
 because i don't want to wipe out my current windows setup, is the a
 HOWTO for people who want to use multi-OS's with debian?

You don't have to wipe out Win95, but you should consider backing it up,
as any repartitioning can be risky (although I have never had a problem
with either fips or Partition Magic). 

Look in the mini HOWTO directory, which has quite a few examples:
Linux+DOS+Win95+OS2
Linux+DOS+Win95
Linux+OS2+DOS
Linux+Win95
Linux+WinNT
Win95+Win+Linux

Caution, you may find yourself using Win95 less and Linux more as time
goes on.


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Re: mono monitor with x (fwd)

1997-10-01 Thread Lawrence Lucier
Addressed to: Lazar Fleysher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  debian-user@lists.debian.org

** Reply to note from Lazar Fleysher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue, 30 Sep 1997 
13:16:14 -0600 (MDT)

 I have an old Hercules card and monitor. (I do not know whether being old
 matters). In /etc/X11/XF86Config file I use

 HorizSync 18.43
 VertRefresh   50

 Mode: 720x350

 Modeline 720x350 18.43  720  760  800 820  350  360  475  400

 Note: All numbers in Modeline I took from sky except 720 and 350 of
 course. Nevertheless, it works o.k.

 If the above is to the point I can send you full XF86Config file.

If you (or anyone else who knows about doing this) could send me the config
files, it would be very much appreciated.  I just starting to setup Debian
on an old system that uses a Herc monitor so being able to run XWindows on
it sounds really interesting.  Thanks for any info you can provide.:-)


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Re: Disapearing /dev/tty0's

1997-10-01 Thread tko
Chad D. Zimmerman writes:
 
 
 I have had an interesting problem rear it's ugly head two times now .. my
 /dev/tty0's get SNAFUed for some reason.
 
 This is what they look like normally:
  tty00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16450  
  tty01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A  
  tty03 at 0x02e8 (irq = 3) is a 16450  

Remap either 01 or 03 to a different interrupt. The hardware interrupts are
not able to realiably run multiple devices on the same interrupt. I had the
same problem until I remapped ttyS03 to IRQ2.

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Enlightenment setup

1997-10-01 Thread Adrian Monk

When firing up X (startx) with Enlightenment as wm the following error
message appears:

Cannot load root image:
/usr/local/enlightenment/images/default/background.jpg
Quitting...

Any ideas, anyone? Background.jpg is in the specified directory. Both
ImageMagick and Imlib are on the system (which is Debian 1.3.1)

TIA

Adrian Monk


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pascal

1997-10-01 Thread G. Kapetanios

Hi, 

Could someone tell me which debian package provides  pascal support ?

   Thanks very much
George 



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wu-ftpd and Shadow Passwords

1997-10-01 Thread Timothy G. Wells

Greetings,

Does the compiled version of wu-ftpd have support for shadow passwords. For
some reason, as soon as anyone tries to log in (not anonymous) it says
there are too many users and dumps you.

I recently switched to shadow passwords and didn't know if there was a
known problem. Also, I noticed the shadow file had a different group then
root and I changed it ... perhaps that had something to do with it but I
forgot what the group was.

Any help out there?

Thanks,

-- Tim


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Re: Enlightenment setup

1997-10-01 Thread Frank Barknecht
Adrian Monk hat gesagt: // Adrian Monk wrote:

 
 When firing up X (startx) with Enlightenment as wm the following error
 message appears:
 
 Cannot load root image:
 /usr/local/enlightenment/images/default/background.jpg
 Quitting...
 
 Any ideas, anyone? Background.jpg is in the specified directory. Both
 ImageMagick and Imlib are on the system (which is Debian 1.3.1)
 
 TIA
 
 Adrian Monk
 


What version of Enlightenment are you using? The current ones keep all
images, menu- and button-definitions in a tar(gz)ball, a so called theme
e.g. DEFAULT. Take a tar-look (tar tzvf DEFAULT) in your theme to see if
background.jpg is there. It should be possible to extract a theme ball
into a directory, but I have seen this fail with enl_DR10 on my machine.
Now I use [so slow :(] enl_DR12.
 
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where is libjpegg

1997-10-01 Thread Andrea Arcangeli
Where I can found libjpegg (I installed the glibc compiled xv and I can'
use it without these libs :).

Thanks.

Andreas Arcangeli


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what is the sticky bit?

1997-10-01 Thread Paul Miller
I know this is a really stupid question.. but what is the sticky bit?

-Paul


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Advice printing on a network Laserjet 4L

1997-10-01 Thread Dr. Daniel Mashao
I have read all the man pages and HOWTO but I still have a problem
printing on a novel network laserjet. I have finally found a way to print
postscript documents but I cannot print plain text or dvi format. Any
ideas?

//
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Re: ssh going nuts!

1997-10-01 Thread jdassen
On Sep 30, Peyman Gohari wrote
 In our group we have a single Debian machine surrounded by a bunch of
 Redhats:( We have secure shell installed on all, but it behaves  weird on
 Redhats from time to time. The problem is that when you try to get a
 remote shell using ssh, you may be denied access to the remote host and
 get the message you don't exist, go away!. I suppose it's a bug, as it
 doesn't happen all the time and moreover, if you keep on trying after a
 couple of failures, you finally get through!  
 
 Any clue?

It could very well be PAM related.

This came by on the PAM development list; as there is currently no archive
of that list available, I'll include it.

|Date: 22 Sep 1997 22:19:08 GMT
|From: Henrik Seidel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|To: ssh@clinet.fi
|Subject: Re: ssh  redhat4.2: You don't exist, go away!

|In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
|[EMAIL PROTECTED] ( Henrik Seidel ) writes:
|
| I have the following problem with ssh 1.2.21 on a Redhat 4.2 Linux
| system: I can call ssh once to connect to another of our local hosts
| (with home crossmounted). However, after exiting that ssh any new attempt
| fails with You don't exist, go away!. After some time (timeout??) I can
| connect again. This time is in the range of minutes.
|
|Just some more information: The problem occurs only for users from NIS, not
|for those with entries in /etc/passwd. Using something like this
|
|   for i in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9; do ssh remotehost; done
|
|usually gives some successful ssh interspersed between many Go aways.
|
|This is not a general NIS or Linux problem but rather Redhat-specific,
|since on another system I manage (Slackware 3.0) it does not occur.  

HTH,
Ray
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Re: what is the sticky bit?

1997-10-01 Thread Peter Iannarelli
Paul Miller wrote:
 
 I know this is a really stupid question.. but what is the sticky bit?
 
 -Paul

The sticky bit allows a UID to be the owner of a file while
that file is being accessed by that user. In essence if a user
opens a file, that user will be the owner of that file until
it is closed. After closing, the file goes back to its original
state.

 I THINK 


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Re: SVGALIB and S3 Virge.

1997-10-01 Thread Carey Evans
Andrew Keen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 My question, my only problem, the fly in the ointment of Linux, the
 black fly in my Chardonnay is that when I want to run a svgalib
 program (X works) at the console it doesn't recognize it and then
 -screws- it up.. basically, it runs, but it doesn't recognize my Virge
 chip.

The svgalib (1.2.11) in unstable pretends a Virge is Trio.  It's not
as good as it could be, but it works for me (Diamond Stealth 3D 2000).

You could have some trouble installing it on Debian 1.3.1.  My advice
would be to get the source and try to compile it yourself.

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problems posting news

1997-10-01 Thread Tim Bell
Hi,

I can't find anthing in the docs about this, and I'm sure it's something
simple I've just overlooked...

When I post news from my machine, I get mail back with
inews: No valid newsgroups in misc.test

The setup is my local machine, with:
ii  nntp1.5.12.1-1 A NNTP server for use with C News.
ii  inews   2.1-2  A replacement for the C News inews program.
ii  cnews   cr.g7-4Simple News Server for Usenet news.

and I'm trying to send news to an nntp server.

Do I have to have an up-to-date /var/lib/news/active file? I guess I'd
rather that the server looked after all that, since I have no local
newsgroups (as yet...).

Any ideas what I've missed?

Thanks in advance.
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Re: wu-ftpd and Shadow Passwords

1997-10-01 Thread Brandon Mitchell
On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, Timothy G. Wells wrote:

 I recently switched to shadow passwords and didn't know if there was a
 known problem. Also, I noticed the shadow file had a different group then
 root and I changed it ... perhaps that had something to do with it but I
 forgot what the group was.

The group is shadow with read access only.

Brandon

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Re: Advice printing on a network Laserjet 4L

1997-10-01 Thread Jan Ramon
On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, Dr. Daniel Mashao wrote:

 I have read all the man pages and HOWTO but I still have a problem
 printing on a novel network laserjet. I have finally found a way to print
 postscript documents but I cannot print plain text or dvi format. Any
 ideas?
text: some printers (e.g. hplj6) see ascii as 'dos ascii': they need cr/lf
instead of lf at the end of each line.  So simply add the cr.

dvi: use dvips to convert dvi to ps.  

 
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Re: Printer-setup

1997-10-01 Thread Marco Pistore
On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, Lucas wrote:

 I am presently using a2ps and gs-alladin to format text files into
 postscript and then
 print them using gs.  If I create a script containing the gs command, this
 could be
 my print filter in the printcap file (don't remember if it's if or of).
 
 My problem is that whenever I issue the gs command to print something
 formatted
 by a2ps, the output always includes one extra blank page and the last
 printed page
 (before the blank one) always looks like the last line of print has been
 cut off by 
 about a fraction of a millimeter.
 
 My theory is that the papersize used by either program is incompatible. I
 believe gs
 is using what it calls letter defined as 8.5x11 and a2ps is using
 something with some
 code which I can't remember but which looks like an ISO standard ... or
 something.

Hi, i am the maintainer of gs-aladdin.
Both gs-aladdin and a2ps use the libpaper library to set the papersize
(in brief: they use the paper which appears in /etc/papersize), so 
the papersizes should be compatible. (Are you using old versions
of the packages?)

Anyway, you can select the papersize for gs-aladdin with
option -sPAPERSIZE=a_known_paper_size, e.g.,
  gs -sPAPERSIZE=a4 -sDEVICE=lj_something test.gs
or with the options -sDEVICEWIDTHPOINTS=xxx and -sDEVICEHEIGHTPOINTS=yyy
(probably there is also an option to select the papersize for a2ps,
but it is not installed here...)

You could also prove to redirect the output of a2ps to a file
and to use ghostview to check if it looks correctly.

Thanks,

Marco


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Re: bo-updates

1997-10-01 Thread Lukas Eppler
On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Alex Yukhimets wrote:
  ...
  This would be a good solution, stable stays stable! And creating these
  sub-directories wouldn't be _that_ hard... or am I missing something?
 
 Yes, you are :)
 You don't need those subdirectories, but just one plain Packages.gz file
 in bo-updates/

So it would be even simpler!? So let's do it! Who can do it?
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Re: Advice printing on a network Laserjet 4L

1997-10-01 Thread Brandon Mitchell
On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, Dr. Daniel Mashao wrote:

 I have read all the man pages and HOWTO but I still have a problem
 printing on a novel network laserjet. I have finally found a way to print
 postscript documents but I cannot print plain text or dvi format. Any
 ideas?

a2ps and dvips will do the requested conversions.

Brandon

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Re: pascal

1997-10-01 Thread joost witteveen
c 
 Hi, 
 
 Could someone tell me which debian package provides  pascal support ?

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Re: ifconfig

1997-10-01 Thread Bruno O. M. Simoes
At 12:51 PM 9/30/97 -0500, Jens B. Jorgensen wrote:
Jimmy Lu wrote:
 
 Hi,
 Can someone tell me how to setup a machine with one network
 interface card(eth0) to respond to more than one IP address?
 FreeBSD seems to be able to do something as follows:
 ifconfig ep0 192.168.123.2
 ifconfig ep0 192.168.123.3 alias netmask 0x
 I checked man page of ifconfig but I still don't know how
 to do it in under Debian.  Please kindly let me know.

I believe the syntax is:

   ifconfig eth0 192.168.123.2
   ifconfig eth0:1 192.168.123.3

You're right. But you have to enable IP Aliasing in your kernel. Is your
kernel enabled? Run make config and be sure to enable this option.
Cheers
Bruno


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Re: wu-ftpd and Shadow Passwords

1997-10-01 Thread joost witteveen
 
 Greetings,
 
 Does the compiled version of wu-ftpd have support for shadow passwords. For
 some reason, as soon as anyone tries to log in (not anonymous) it says
 there are too many users and dumps you.


ii  wu-ftpd 2.4-27 A powerful replacement for the standard ftpd

Works OK for me (with shadow passwords switched on).

This is on a computer wich I updated to unstable last friday.


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$/=unpack('H*',$_);$_=`echo 16dio\U$kSK$/SM$n\EsN0p[lN*1
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X and gpm mouse problem

1997-10-01 Thread Marcus Brinkmann

I'm not sure if it's a bug, but it is an annoyance:

When xdm is launched, and I do not move the mouse, i have no pointer on the
virtual console. In fact, gpm is not working.

When I switch back to X, I have to move the mouse. At the first time, there
is a shortdelay, then the pointer follows. Switching back to console, gpm is
working flawless.

Befar that, all is working. I have gpm 1.12-6 and X 3.3-1, my mouse is a
serial one.

Any comments? Somebody else experience it?

TIA,
Marcus

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Re: Is Debian Compatible?

1997-10-01 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Tue, Sep 30, 1997 at 09:09:08PM -0400, Will Lowe wrote:
 On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Michael Manlief wrote:
 
  Hi,
  I'm for the most part a unix novice.  I would like to try the Debian
  package, but still be able to to use win95 on my machine (not
  simultaneously, of course).  I would like Win95 to be my main operating
  system, and just use debian when i want to run unix based software.  Is
  this possible?  
 Surely.  I do it (but I found eventually that I use Debian much more than
 Win95 :) ).  You'll need to repartition your hard disk to make space for
 linux;  this is possible with a few shareware utilities that are around.
 I've never had need for them,  but I'm sure someone here can point you in
 the right direction.

It is FIPS.EXE, available via ftp. (I can mail it, too).

Read the doc before starting.

Marcus

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Re: Advice printing on a network Laserjet 4L

1997-10-01 Thread joost witteveen
 I have read all the man pages and HOWTO but I still have a problem
 printing on a novel network laserjet. I have finally found a way to print
 postscript documents but I cannot print plain text or dvi format. Any
 ideas?

Well, if you can print postscript, you can
 - use a2ps (from contrib/non-free in bo, or hamm main), or 
   genscript/enscript to convert ascii to postscript
   (though most printers I know do accept straight ascii too)
 - use dvips (included in Debian's TeX packages) to convert
   dvi to ps.


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Re: Advice printing on a network Laserjet 4L

1997-10-01 Thread Ferenc Kiraly
HI!

 I have read all the man pages and HOWTO but I still have a problem
 printing on a novel network laserjet. I have finally found a way to print
 postscript documents but I cannot print plain text or dvi format. Any
 ideas?

Convert anything you want to print to PostScript first, then send it to the 
printer. Magicfilter does this for me.

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Re: How to multitask in X-windows?

1997-10-01 Thread ImmortaL
Actually your both right because my question can go both ways it doesnt
matter they both are helpful BUT,i tried both ways and they dont work for
example if i enter X and start netscape and then go back to Xterm i cant
enter any commands its locked until i kill netscape,i tried it only with
Xterm i opened two Xterms but the first one didnt work after i opened the
second one.Then tried the Virtual way Ctrl-alt-Fx and when i did that and a
new logon screen came on and then when i went back to X there was no X
there was a shell screen and it showed all the usual commands when X starts
and it was locked.and i cant do anything so i have to kill it.Do you have
to be running XDM for it to work?Or do you have any idea why this wont
work?
Thanks
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 On Tue, Sep 30, 1997 at 10:57:00PM -0500, Dave Cinege wrote:
 : On Tue, 30 Sep 1997 20:04:53 -0400, Jason Costomiris wrote:
 : 
 : On Tue, Sep 30, 1997 at 07:36:02PM -0400, ImmortaL wrote:
 : : I need to know if there a way in x-windows for example in the shell
itself
 : : i would press the alt key and the F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6 to open a new
window is
 : : there a way to do this in X?
 : 
 : Uh, open another xterm.
 : 
 : Think you missed him.
 
 I dunno about that.  He asked how to get another shell window under X.
 
 I told him how
 
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pascal (cont)

1997-10-01 Thread G. Kapetanios

Hi,

Thanks to all who replied to my question. 

I have juct installed gpc on my system . However, it requires gcc 
2.7.2.2 So I downgraded gcc to 2.7.2.1 I was wondering whether it would be
possible to have the newest gcc ( 2.7.2.3 ) together with gpc . Does
anyone know if this is possible or when the newest version of gpc will be
available 

Thanks very much 
 George 


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Re: X And Video

1997-10-01 Thread David Wright
On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Syd Alsobrook wrote:

 I am having an interesting problem now. I finally got my new machine 
 to boot up and I reset my X configuration for my new video card. X 
 works great but when I exit back to a stand tty the video is trashed 
 (misc. characters, garbage, and general bad mood) reset does not work 
 and all virtual tty are trashed. The video board is a STB Systems w/ 
 an advanced logic chipset alg2301 1024 ram. STB's website was rather 
 useless mostly windows crap the only thing I saw that might be of 
 interest was the need to have a memory exclusion, but I don't know 
 how to do that under linux. 

I have a 486 with an Avance card that uses this chip, and it had the same 
problem. The garbage that you see is actually a translation, something 
like abcdefgh - bcdefg0h, so you can actually read it. The workaround 
I used was to leave at least one VC logged in and type setfont default8x16 
whenever I needed a VC, and the same when quitting X.

I never found any documentation for memory exclusion, but perhaps it's in 
the X sources. I now use the machine as a laboratory winlose playground.
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Re: mke2fs

1997-10-01 Thread David Wright
On Mon, 29 Sep 1997, Philippe Troin wrote:

 On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 23:32:21 PDT David Stern ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  wrote:
 
  I'm having an irregular experience with mke2fs.  I'm attempting to
  format /dev/sda16 and message says:
  
debian# mke2fs -v /dev/sda16
mke2fs 1.10, 24-Apr-97 for EXT2 FS 0.5b, 95/08/09
/dev/sda16 is entire device, not just one partition!
Proceed anyway? (y,n)
  
  But /dev/sda16 is just a 500MB partition, not an entire device:
  [...]
  I tried changing the beginning and ending cylinders, to no avail.  Why
  does mke2fs think /dev/sda16 is the entire drive?
 
 Because /dev/sda16 has major 8, minor 16, which is the major/minor 
pair for /dev/sdb: look at 'ls -l /dev/sda16 /dev/sdb'. BTW, you have 
created sda16 yourself didn't you :-)
 There is an infortunate 15 partition limit on PCs.

I think anyone who installed Debian 1.3 with the 1997-05-30 installation 
floppies will have exactly the same devices. All mine do.

Now I feel guilty for complaining that Debian 1.2 only had sdx1 through 8
(which bit me badly).

[BTW I think you posted that Because /dev ... didn't you :-) 
all on one line.]

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Re: mke2fs

1997-10-01 Thread David Wright
On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, David Stern wrote:

 On Mon, 29 Sep 1997, Philippe Troin wrote:
 
  On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 23:32:21 PDT David Stern ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
   wrote:
  
   I tried changing the beginning and ending cylinders, to no avail.  Why
   does mke2fs think /dev/sda16 is the entire drive?
  
  Because /dev/sda16 has major 8, minor 16, which is the major/minor pair 
  for /dev/sdb: look at 'ls -l /dev/sda16 /dev/sdb'. BTW, you have
  created sda16 yourself didn't you :-)
 
 I created it during the install procedure manually, yes.

You created the device (with mknod), or created the partition? Do you have 
(as I do)
/dev/sda16 = /dev/sdb
/dev/sdb16 = /dev/sdc
/dev/sdc16 = /dev/sdd
/dev/sdd16 = /dev/sde
/dev/sde16 = /dev/sdf
/dev/sdf16 = /dev/sdg
/dev/sdg16 = /dev/sdh
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RE: problems posting news

1997-10-01 Thread George Bonser

On 01-Oct-97 Tim Bell wrote:

Do I have to have an up-to-date /var/lib/news/active file? I guess I'd
rather that the server looked after all that, since I have no local
newsgroups (as yet...).

Yes, you will need an active file. 

Inews can not post to a group that is not found in the active file as it looks
there to see if the group is moderated or not.


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/msdos partition

1997-10-01 Thread Timothy Phan
Hi

  I'd like to know is it true that read/write file on a /msdos
  partition is slower than on the linux partition?

  I've a 60MB tar file that I tried to untar under both /msdos
  and linux ext2fs and the /msdos was extremely slow.

  Thanks!

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Re: what is the sticky bit?

1997-10-01 Thread TENCC01.LEWIS01
 Forwarded with Changes ---
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] at ~AMSCCSSW
Date: 10/1/97 9:57AM
To: James M. Lewis at ~TENCCT1
*To: debian-user@lists.debian.org at ~AMSCCSSW
Subject: Re: what is the sticky bit?
---

Actually, the sticky bit used to be for binary programs.  It caused the
program to be retained in the swap file after it was first run.  This
would cause the prog to run faster the next time it was invoked.  Way
back when (in the olden days), unix would exec a program by copying it
into swap and then allowing the page mechanism to page it into memory
for execution.  This is not the case anymore.  As far as I know, the
sticky bit on an executable file does nothing.  On some systems, the
sticky bit on a _directory_ means that only the owner of a file in that
directory can remove it.  DEC OSF1 is like this, for example.

jim

__ Forward Header __
Subject: Re: what is the sticky bit?
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Date:10/1/97 9:57 AM


Paul Miller wrote:

 I know this is a really stupid question.. but what is the sticky bit?

 -Paul

The sticky bit allows a UID to be the owner of a file while
that file is being accessed by that user. In essence if a user
opens a file, that user will be the owner of that file until
it is closed. After closing, the file goes back to its original
state.

 I THINK 


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PVM packaging

1997-10-01 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
Hi,

I'm interested in packaging PVM for Debian. First, let me say that
I'm aware that Drake Diedrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] is working on
it, but I've had the intention to package something big for Debian for
couple of months (I've packaged small stuff locally) and I think this is
be a good candidate since I need it for my work and I'm getting tired of
woops, I forgot to do THAT on THIS machine kind of problems. Probably
Drake can do a better job, but I'd like to try anyway. What I'm trying to
say here is that I don't intend to make my packaging the official one, I
just want to give it a shot. 

I've read the relevant documentation (debian/doc/package-developer) and I
have a couple of questions.

* Directory structure

This thing wants to be installed with a tree structure like this: 

$PVM_ROOT
+- bin/LINUX
+- console/LINUX
+- include
+- documentation and stuff like that (tests, examples)

That breaks the FSSTND. I can try to convince it to forget about the LINUX
part (it's required for NFS hosted installations on a mixed OS
enviroment), i.e., that means reading and fixing the code with each
release... not funny. I checked some packages that are problematic on this
respect, like Acroread, I've found that they get installed in
/usr/lib/program/whatever_the_program_wants. Is that OK with the FSSTND? I
may be misinterpreting the document, but IMHO, I don't think it is. 
/usr/lib says libraries, not entire programs.

* Where do I have to develop things?

The machine I use to compile and test pvm has bo; I cann't convert it to
hamm, it's out of the question (I'd like to, but cann't). I have access to
a least three computers running hamm. If I want to make the package
official, I have to build it using hamm, don't I?

* PVM has a very loose license (basically it says you can use it provided
that you keep this copyright appears in all copies ...). Should a get
something more specific or is it enough? (For an official package, that
is)

TIA,


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Re: losing keys in fvwm2

1997-10-01 Thread Paul Rightley
I have found that, whenever I exit Netscape (3.01 in my case), I cannot
alt-arrow to shift virtual screens.  However, if I user the page and
click into another virtual screen, the alt-arrow keys will again work.
I have not tried other fvwm2 keystrokes and I am sure that I only see
this happen when exiting Netscape.

Paul

On 29-Sep-97 Will Lowe wrote:
On Mon, 29 Sep 1997, Rick Hawkins wrote:

 At times, the keystrokes for fvwm2 simply stop working.  Particularly, 
 alt-arrow to shift virtual screens, alt-f9 (to icocnify) and the like, and
teh 
 alt-click combinations to move windows forward/back.

Slap me if you've tried this,  but turning numlock on in X does all sorts
of funky things to alt and function keys.  I often find (particularly
using forms in netscape) that I turn on numlock,  and then spend half an
hour trying to figure out why my keyboard doesn't work anymore ... turn
off numlock and it goes away.

   Will


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Re: Advice printing on a network Laserjet 4L

1997-10-01 Thread Santiago Vila Doncel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-

On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, Dr. Daniel Mashao wrote:

 I have read all the man pages and HOWTO but I still have a problem
 printing on a novel network laserjet. I have finally found a way to print
 postscript documents but I cannot print plain text or dvi format. Any
 ideas?

Install magicfilter. I love it.

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Version: 2.6.3ia
Charset: noconv

iQCVAwUBNDJuRyqK7IlOjMLFAQHzJgP9EcUWqgCU5fjNMukn1iVOx1QYvt9BhHB+
lUnq5x0ojBffnmqzwLek6s6jY5AkSG7Fugx6hM6zo+a+QVBVd1SPh3ukrtD+fmMj
VDv3h/YoyWEXmLvf1dzt+VXwbHSLhEfixyb6sELesyn6tJ+SgOF1fcd9VsxIVWH0
MJoIW7gqMHI=
=eXsO
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xdm problem

1997-10-01 Thread Christopher Judd

I recently  installed 1.3.1 from CDROM; this is my first linux
installation. Most of it went pretty smoothly, but I still have a 
couple of problems.  One of that I can't get xdm to work.
(If I reconfigure to use startx everything works fine).
Running xdm -debug 2 gives the following output and then stops:

DisplayManager.errorLogFile/DisplayManager.ErrorLogFile value  
/var/log/xdm-errors
DisplayManager.daemonMode/DisplayManager.DaemonMode value true
DisplayManager.pidFile/DisplayManager.PidFile value  /var/run/xdm-pid
DisplayManager.lockPidFile/DisplayManager.LockPidFile value true
DisplayManager.authDir/DisplayManager.authDir value  /var/lib/xdm
DisplayManager.autoRescan/DisplayManager.AutoRescan value true
DisplayManager.removeDomainname/DisplayManager.RemoveDomainname value true
DisplayManager.keyFile/DisplayManager.KeyFile value  /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-keys
DisplayManager.accessFile/DisplayManager.AccessFile value  /etc/X11/xdm/Xaccess
DisplayManager.exportList/DisplayManager.ExportList value 
DisplayManager.randomFile/DisplayManager.RandomFile value /dev/mem
DisplayManager.greeterLib/DisplayManager.GreeterLib value 
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/libXdmGreet.so
DisplayManager.choiceTimeout/DisplayManager.ChoiceTimeout value 15
DisplayManager.sourceAddress/DisplayManager.SourceAddress value false
creating socket 177
Created chooser socket 5
WaitForSomething

How do I get this to work?

-Chris

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Pascal question

1997-10-01 Thread G. Kapetanios

Hi,

I have installed the pascal package and downgraded my gcc to 2.7.2.1
for compatibility reasons. In the beginning I got some errors concerning
files the package could find By linking then I got through that stage 
.Now I am getting the following errors


garfield:/usr/home/guest$ gpc program~pdp~.txt 
ld:program~pdp~.txt: file format not recognized; treating as linker script
ld:program~pdp~.txt:1: parse error

Running the strace command gives

access(/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/2.7.2.1/crtn.o, R_OK) = 0
access(/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/2.7.2.1/ld, X_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No
such file or directory)
access(/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/ld, X_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file
or directory)
access(/usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux/2.7.2.1/ld, X_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such
file or directory)
access(/usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux/ld, X_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or
directory)
access(/usr/i486-linux/bin/i486-linux/2.7.2.1/ld, X_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No
such file or directory)
access(/usr/i486-linux/bin/ld, X_OK)  = -1 ENOENT (No such file or
directory)
fork()  = 1160
wait4(-1, ld:program~pdp~.txt: file format not recognized; treating as
linker script
ld:program~pdp~.txt:1: parse error
[WIFEXITED(s)  WEXITSTATUS(s) == 1], 0, NULL) = 1160
--- SIGCHLD (Child exited) ---
_exit(1)= ?

It is looking for the command ld in /usr/lib/gcc... and can't find

Can anyone tell me what is going on ?
The program is not my own but the person who gave it to me told me it had
no bugs.

   Any help will be appreciated 
Thanks 
   George 






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Re: what is the sticky bit?

1997-10-01 Thread Anders Hammarquist
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write:

I know this is a really stupid question.. but what is the sticky bit?

It's the tenth bit of the 12 bits of permission flags that are part of an inode 
(or file, though they're not really interchangable). The bits are
Set uid, set gid, Sticky, read,write,execute for owner, rwx group, rwx other

The sticky bit nowadays only has a function on directories, where it,
when set, prevents anyone but the owner of a file in the directory from
removing that file. It's commonly set on /tmp, /var/tmp, /var/spool/mail,
and other directories where many people need permission to create files,
but should be prevented from interfering with other peoples files.

/Anders

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Re: what is the sticky bit?

1997-10-01 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, 
From TFM:

File: fileutils.info,  Node: Mode Structure,  Next: Symbolic Modes,  Up: File p\
ermissions

Structure of File Permissions
=

 [...]

A file's permissions have three special components, which affect only
executable files (programs) and, on some systems, directories:

  1. set the process's effective user ID to that of the file upon
 execution (called the setuid bit).  No effect on directories.

  2. set the process's effective group ID to that of the file upon
 execution (called the setgid bit).  For directories on some
 systems, put files created in the directory into the same group as
 the directory, no matter what group the user who creates them is
 in.

  3. save the program's text image on the swap device so it will load
 more quickly when run (called the sticky bit).  For directories
 on some systems, prevent users from removing files that they do
not own in the directory; this is called making the directory
 append-only.


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Re: No Debian updates?

1997-10-01 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi,

I think the company/ group of people who are supposed to
 create this distribution are called the quality control/testing
 group. This is theoretically composed of people who are not
 necessarily maintainers, so they do not have to worry about new
 software.

Maybe this should be taken up with the people in charge of the
 testing/ quality assurance groups? Are the groups still active? Am I
 mis remembering things?

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Re: what is the sticky bit?

1997-10-01 Thread Jens B. Jorgensen
Paul Miller wrote:
 
 I know this is a really stupid question.. but what is the sticky bit?
 

The sticky bit overcomes a problem with file permissions in Unix.
Specifically, the ability to create/delete a file in a given directory
depends on the *directory permissions*. When the sticky bit is set,
on a directory, the *owner* of files in that directory may remove
the files. An example will make this clear. Suppose my system has
a user, 'foo'. Let us assume the following commands are run by 
someone logged in as root:

mylinux# cd ~foo
mylinux# echo 'I dare you to delete this'  make_my_day
mylinux# chmod 600 make_my_day
mylinux# pwd
/home/foo
mylinux# ls -l make_my_day
-rw---   1 root root0 Oct  1 11:11 /home/foo/make_my_day
mylinux#

Now user foo logs in and does the following:

mylinux$ whoami
foo
mylinux$ pwd
/home/foo
mylinux$ cat make_my_day
cat: make_my_day: Permission denied
mylinux$ ls -ld .
drwx--x--x  27 foo  foo  3072 Oct  1 11:13 .
mylinux$ rm make_my_day
rm: remove `make_my_day', overriding mode 0600? y
mylinux$ ls -l make_my_day
ls: make_my_day: No such file or directory
mylinux$

Suprised?! Don't be. In a unix file system a directory is basically
a special file. The act of creating or deleting a file from a 
directory consists (obviously there's a little more which must happen)
of creating/removing entries in this special file. Thus it is the
permissions on a *directory* which determine whether or not a file
may be created-in/removed-from a directory. 

Anytime you want to have a directory be shared by many users, this
type of behavior causes problems: if you make the directory writable,
so that anyone can create a file in the directory, you also make it
so that anyone can delete a file from the directory, *regardless* of
who owns the file. Usually, what you want is for anyone (or anyone
in a given group) to be able to be able to create file in the shared
directory but only allow the *owner* of the file to delete (or modify)
the file. The sticky bit makes this possible.

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Re: No Debian updates?

1997-10-01 Thread Jim Pick

 Hi,
 
   I think the company/ group of people who are supposed to
  create this distribution are called the quality control/testing
  group. This is theoretically composed of people who are not
  necessarily maintainers, so they do not have to worry about new
  software.
 
   Maybe this should be taken up with the people in charge of the
  testing/ quality assurance groups? Are the groups still active? Am I
  mis remembering things?

I think the job of maintaining and updating a separate parallel 
distribution (integrating stuff from unstable into stable and making
approximately monthly releases) is a much bigger undertaking than what
the debian-qa group (as it currently exists) can pull off.

The debian-qa group currently seems to focus on fixing orphaned packages
and doing installation tests of frozen for major releases.  I think
that is what it should be doing.

I think that a separate distribution based on stable would be best
handled as a separate project (perhaps a sub-project of Debian).  This
would be the sort of thing that could work very well if it was organized
as a consortium of companies that wish to market an up-to-date version
of Debian to compete with Red Hat.  It would involve a lot of time
consuming grunt work, which is best done by paid employees, so it would 
fit well with Bruce's concept of using Debian as a base for commercial
distributions.

As far as the current set of volunteer maintainers go -- I'll repeat, I 
don't think any of us have enough time to do a really, really good job of
maintaining a separate set of stable releases.  That's were commercial
distributions such as Red Hat are going to kick our butt.  We'll leap
ahead every six months or so when we do a major release based on the
stuff in unstable.  But then our user base will be sort of left behind
for 6 months until the next major release.  It's no surprise many users
will choose a distribution such as Red Hat which has enough (paid) resources
to put together up-to-date releases and updates on a tighter schedule.

Where we excel is in development - because we have so many maintainers.
Doing development is inherently parallellizable.  Unfortunately, final
release testing and integration testing isn't -- that's best done by a
small close-knit teams.  We don't really have any small close-knit teams.
That's a key reason we have so many debacles around the time we come
out with a major release.  It's only the flexibility of our packaging
system that enables us to save our butts come release time.

I think it's time to 'fess up to the fact that we aren't really all that
good at building polished, refined, fully tested 'releases' that cut it
as 'product'.  (no flames please)

But the raw output of what we do is awesome.  If somebody wanted to
invest in doing the final polishing, testing, bug fixing, and releasing
-- they would be rewarded with a highly marketable product.

Cheers,

 - Jim





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Re: mke2fs

1997-10-01 Thread David Stern
On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, David Wright wrote:

 On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, David Stern wrote:
 
  On Mon, 29 Sep 1997, Philippe Troin wrote:
  
   On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 23:32:21 PDT David Stern wrote:
   
I tried changing the beginning and ending cylinders, to no avail.  Why
does mke2fs think /dev/sda16 is the entire drive?
   
   Because /dev/sda16 has major 8, minor 16, which is the major/minor pair 
   for /dev/sdb: look at 'ls -l /dev/sda16 /dev/sdb'. BTW, you have
   created sda16 yourself didn't you :-)
  
  I created it during the install procedure manually, yes.
 
 You created the device (with mknod), or created the partition? Do you have 
 (as I do)
 /dev/sda16 = /dev/sdb
 [..]

Oops.  I thought Phil was asking me about creating the partition, but
apparently he was asking me about creating the device.  I have up to
/dev/sd[a..h]16, yes.  I also have up to /dev/hd[a..h]20.  The only
devices I created were ttyS[0..3] and cua[0..3].

Are you merely a stickler for detail, or does it concern you that
devices exist which have little (if any) practical use and are
potentially problematic? 

Now that you brought it to my attention, I'm a little curious. Not only
why there are 16 scsi devices, but also why there are 20 ide devices,
i.e.: the difference, in addition to the number being more than 15.

A distantly related question (and equally important, hehe) is why those
plus signs show up in fdisk -l if the partition ends on an even numbered
cylinder.

/dev/sdb11 151  151  218   546178+  83  Linux native
 ^ right there! :-)

David Stern


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Xntp and GMT

1997-10-01 Thread mike

I'm looking for advice on how to set one of my Debian 1.3 servers
to GMT time.  We are a smaller ISP and recently we've had a problem with
theft of service.  The clock on our RADIUS accounting needs to be synced
with our telco's clock in order to make tracking of this sort of thing
easier.  Currently our clock is 8 minutes faster than their clock, and
this is a bad thing.  If anyone can give advice on a relatively painless
way to do this it would be much appreciated.  I've downloaded, installed,
and began reading the html-docs for xntp.  I figured I'd try a cry for
help to the list as well in case someone here has had to do the same
thing. 

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Re: Loading multiple GNU/Linux machines

1997-10-01 Thread John Lines
 
 I am looking for methods to efficiently load many (up to
 200) Debian GNU/Linux machines.  The machines are to
 be configured identically.  TCP/IP connectivity is available.
 
 Any help will be appreciated.
 
 Tnx,
 Nick Gilliam
 Lockheed Martin
 

For the IP configuration BOOTP is very useful for this kind of thing.
You have a server machine which knows which IP address to hand out to
any particular ethernet address, and when your clients boot they pick up
their IP address, and other IP related information, such as the nameservers
to use etc.

We use it to allow us to distribute a single, identical system to several
machines. The distribution we use is not Debian based at present, but I looking
at migrating to Debian.

Looking through the packages I see one called nfsroot, which looks as if it
may be ideal for what you want - I have not tried it yet, but I certainly will
when I get the chance.


John Lines

p.s. Bootp is well integrated with the PCMCIA support for laptops with ethernet
cards. I take my laptop from one site to another, or to my home ethernet,
and just plug it in and boot, and it picks up the appropriate IP configuration
whereever it happens to be.



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GCC setup problem

1997-10-01 Thread Waller Martin MEJ

Hi,

 My GCC setup doesn't appear to be correct on my Debian 1.3.1 and 1.2 
system.  Initially after installing it, whenever I tried to run it, the 
message:

GCC installation problem:
cannot find cc1: no such file or directory

cc1 (and cc1plus, and libgcc.a...) were in 
/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/2.7.2.1/, so I created links in /usr/lib to 
them.

I could compile things and stuff then (like you'd want to do with gcc...).

Recently, however, i was using make-kpkg to recompile the kernel and it 
puked out the following error messages including:

dpkg: unexpected output from `gcc --print-libgcc-file-name':
 `/usr/lib/libgcc.a'
dpkg: compiler libgcc filename not understood: no gcc-lib component

The same error message comes from trying:

#dpkg --print-architecture

and

#gcc --print-libgcc-file-name

produces:

/usr/lib/libgcc.a

I tried removing and purging gcc.

However, gcc was still in /usr/bin(version 2.7.2).

But trying to compile with that 'residual' gcc gave as above:

GCC installation problem:
cannot find cc1: no such file or directory

yet gcc -v worked.

find /usr -name gcc

gave:

/usr/bin

Re-installing gcc corrected the above problem but I _still_ get errors from

dpkg --print-architecture

which means i can't recompile my kernel using make-kpkg.

Assistance is needed to identify exactly what's going on and how I can 
correct it...purging (_) and re-installing (*) after re-booting doesn't 
work.

 Thanks,

  Martin














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RE: pascal

1997-10-01 Thread Waller Martin MEJ


Isn't gpc in the optional development section gnu's pascal compiler?

 Martin


Hi,

Could someone tell me which debian package provides  pascal support ?

  Thanks very much
George



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Re: problems posting news

1997-10-01 Thread john
Tim Bell writes:
 When I post news from my machine, I get mail back with inews: No valid
 newsgroups in misc.test
 ...
 and I'm trying to send news to an nntp server.

Are you trying to post directly to a remote nntp server, or are you trying
to post to your local server and have it feed the articles to a remote
server?  Is the mail coming from your system, or from the remote one?

 Do I have to have an up-to-date /var/lib/news/active file?

If you are posting to your local server, all the groups you post to must
exist on your system (/usr/lib/news/ctl/newgroup to create them) and be in
your active file.  The active file need not contain any groups you don't
use.

I operate a cnews leafnode which feeds off my isp.  Email me if you have
more questions.
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Re: How to multitask in X-windows?

1997-10-01 Thread David B. Teague

Hi ImmortaL:

I have your problem with Netscape. I hope we both get an answer.

I hope this helps part of your other window problem: It sounds a little
like you have a 'focus' problem. I can click the mouse and create X
windows that work if I move the mouse pointer into the window to get
focus in that window. Notice the color changes when the mouse pointer
is in a window or out of it. That's called having focus - (strange
parlance, but what do you expect from computer types :)

I can run stuff in the background and change windows if I have focus in
that window. (X can be setup so you have to click a window to change
focus, as in M$ LOSE 3.1  95)

With regard to switching from text consoles back to X you use
Control-Alt F1-6 to move to a virtual text console, and from one of them
back to X you use Control-F7 (at least I do). 


MY PROBLEM is somewhat like ImmortaL's:

Will someone PLEASE explain why when I suspend Emacs in X with control
z, and try to restart it with fg, emacs does not reappear. Key strokes
are echoed but no keystrokes are accepted by emacs. I wind up killing
emacs. And tell me how to suspend and restart a program under X. 

Am I supposed to open a window and start an application there, changing
from window to window to do various things?

David
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On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, ImmortaL wrote:

 Actually your both right because my question can go both ways it doesnt
 matter they both are helpful BUT,i tried both ways and they dont work for
 example if i enter X and start netscape and then go back to Xterm i cant
 enter any commands its locked until i kill netscape,i tried it only with
 Xterm i opened two Xterms but the first one didnt work after i opened the
 second one.Then tried the Virtual way Ctrl-alt-Fx and when i did that and a
 new logon screen came on and then when i went back to X there was no X
 there was a shell screen and it showed all the usual commands when X starts
 and it was locked.and i cant do anything so i have to kill it.Do you have
 to be running XDM for it to work?Or do you have any idea why this wont
 work?
 Thanks
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Re: How to multitask in X-windows?

1997-10-01 Thread Jack Holt

If you're starting a new xterm from the shell, type xterm  instead
of just xterm.  This will run the new xterm in the background, so
you will be able to execute more commands in that same window later.

Many window managers allow you to start a new xterm from their menus, too.

At 10:06 AM 10/1/97 -0400, ImmortaL wrote:
Actually your both right because my question can go both ways it doesnt
matter they both are helpful BUT,i tried both ways and they dont work for
example if i enter X and start netscape and then go back to Xterm i cant
enter any commands its locked until i kill netscape,i tried it only with
Xterm i opened two Xterms but the first one didnt work after i opened the
second one.Then tried the Virtual way Ctrl-alt-Fx and when i did that and a
new logon screen came on and then when i went back to X there was no X
there was a shell screen and it showed all the usual commands when X starts
and it was locked.and i cant do anything so i have to kill it.Do you have
to be running XDM for it to work?Or do you have any idea why this wont
work?
Thanks
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 On Tue, Sep 30, 1997 at 10:57:00PM -0500, Dave Cinege wrote:
 : On Tue, 30 Sep 1997 20:04:53 -0400, Jason Costomiris wrote:
 : 
 : On Tue, Sep 30, 1997 at 07:36:02PM -0400, ImmortaL wrote:
 : : I need to know if there a way in x-windows for example in the shell
itself
 : : i would press the alt key and the F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 F6 to open a new
window is
 : : there a way to do this in X?
 : 
 : Uh, open another xterm.
 : 
 : Think you missed him.
 
 I dunno about that.  He asked how to get another shell window under X.
 
 I told him how
 
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Re: problem installing debian

1997-10-01 Thread Syrus Nemat-Nasser
On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Hasibul Haque wrote:

 I have a quantum fireball ST6 IDE hardrive with  Pentium II 233 cpu. I
 have 1 primary partion with win95 and 2 logical drives - one of them
 is empty for linux install the other one has windows nt. 
 I am able to boot the rescue floppy but at the menu when I choose
 'partition hard disk' I am getting a message thats saying hard drive
 could not be detected and to check cables or change driver settings
 at boot: prompt or load a driver. Thanks.

Hmmm...  I've never had a problem detecting an IDE drive, but I've never
seen a Pentium II system up close.

Dale, do you have any ideas?  Could there be a driver incompatibility
with the new Pentium II motherboards?  I have not yet heard any examples
of people running Linux on Pentium II systems.

Hasib, I suggest that you search through the newsgroups
comp.os.linux.hardware and/or comp.os.linux.setup, comp.os.linux.misc for
references to Pentium II systems, and see if there is any useful info.


Thanks.  Syrus.


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Re: How to multitask in X-windows?

1997-10-01 Thread Brian K Servis
ImmortaL writes:

Actually your both right because my question can go both ways it doesnt
matter they both are helpful BUT,i tried both ways and they dont work for
example if i enter X and start netscape and then go back to Xterm i cant
enter any commands its locked until i kill netscape,i tried it only with
Xterm i opened two Xterms but the first one didnt work after i opened the

you need to put the application in the background by following the
cammand with a .

% netscape 
% xterm 

second one.Then tried the Virtual way Ctrl-alt-Fx and when i did that and a
new logon screen came on and then when i went back to X there was no X
there was a shell screen and it showed all the usual commands when X starts
and it was locked.and i cant do anything so i have to kill it.Do you have
to be running XDM for it to work?Or do you have any idea why this wont
work?

If you started X from VC 2 for example that is were all the X output messages
will go but with the default setup the actual X display will be on VC-7.
So do a Ctrl-alt-F7 to get back to X.

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Re: PVM packaging

1997-10-01 Thread Jean Pierre LeJacq
On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote:

   I'm interested in packaging PVM for Debian. First, let me say that

  snip

 * Directory structure
 
 This thing wants to be installed with a tree structure like this: 
 
   $PVM_ROOT
   +- bin/LINUX
   +- console/LINUX
   +- include
   +- documentation and stuff like that (tests, examples)
 
 That breaks the FSSTND. I can try to convince it to forget about the LINUX
 part (it's required for NFS hosted installations on a mixed OS
 enviroment), i.e., that means reading and fixing the code with each
 release... not funny. I checked some packages that are problematic on this
 respect, like Acroread, I've found that they get installed in
 /usr/lib/program/whatever_the_program_wants. Is that OK with the FSSTND? I
 may be misinterpreting the document, but IMHO, I don't think it is. 
 /usr/lib says libraries, not entire programs.

The FSSTND does support the /opt directory layout.  Wouldn't this work
for you?

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Re: How to multitask in X-windows?

1997-10-01 Thread joost witteveen
[Charset ISO-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...]
 Actually your both right because my question can go both ways it doesnt
 matter they both are helpful BUT,i tried both ways and they dont work for
 example if i enter X and start netscape and then go back to Xterm i cant
 enter any commands its locked until i kill netscape,i tried it only with
 Xterm i opened two Xterms but the first one didnt work after i opened the
 second one.

Solution 1: 
  Start the programmes in the background, with an extra 
netscape 
xterm 

Solution 2:
  If you already started a programme on the forground (i.e. without ),
  you can make it go to the background by typing ^Z (Control_Z),
  and then bg (ENTER). Sample session:

rulcmc:~$ xterm
Press ^Z here:
[1]+  Stopped xterm
type bg ENTER:  rulcmc:~$ bg
[1]+ xterm 
  

Solution 3:
  (possibly need to install menu for this) Choose xterm or
  netscape from the menu, (in fvwm2, and most other window managers,
  click with the left mouse button to get the window's).

Solution 4:
  Well, I'm trying to thing of other insane ways to do this. You
  _can_ also use screen: In the xterm, type screen (if the
  package is installed), and then, when you cannot type any more,
  (after you typed xterm without ), you can hit ^A-c
  (control-A c), to get a new screen session.

Solution 5:
  Well, I don't want to bore you with even more solutions. There
  must be loads more (running two paralell X servers, more programmes
  like screen (splitvt for example), logging in remotely,
  and many I didn't think of.
 
Then tried the Virtual way Ctrl-alt-Fx and when i did that and a
 new logon screen came on and then when i went back to X there was no X
 there was a shell screen and it showed all the usual commands when X starts
 and it was locked.and i cant do anything so i have to kill it.


Ah, that's part of my solution 5, the not adviced one. You can
type startx -- :1, and you will start a second X server. You can then
switch between the X servers with Contr_Alt_Fx. But generally, you don't
want this option.

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Re: Pascal question

1997-10-01 Thread joost witteveen
 
 Hi,
 
 I have installed the pascal package and downgraded my gcc to 2.7.2.1
 for compatibility reasons. In the beginning I got some errors concerning
 files the package could find By linking then I got through that stage 
 .Now I am getting the following errors
 
 
 garfield:/usr/home/guest$ gpc program~pdp~.txt 
 ld:program~pdp~.txt: file format not recognized; treating as linker script
 ld:program~pdp~.txt:1: parse error

I don't do pascal myself any more, but I assume gpc, like gcc looks
at the file extention to choose what type of file it is. Obviously,
it doens't recognice .txt as a pascal file (I wouldnt' do that myself
eighter), and it chooses to assume it's a linker script.

Rename your file to eighter .p, or .pas (I just don't know which,
but one must be the right one), and it should go OK.

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$/=unpack('H*',$_);$_=`echo 16dio\U$kSK$/SM$n\EsN0p[lN*1
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Re: xdm problem

1997-10-01 Thread Mario Olimpio de Menezes
On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, Christopher Judd wrote:

 
 I recently  installed 1.3.1 from CDROM; this is my first linux
 installation. Most of it went pretty smoothly, but I still have a 
 couple of problems.  One of that I can't get xdm to work.
 (If I reconfigure to use startx everything works fine).
 Running xdm -debug 2 gives the following output and then stops:


have your /etc/X11/config file the right lines for xdm:

start-xdm
xdm-start-server


also, after change this lines, you need run xbase-configure. this
utility will create the file /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers with a line
indicating where xdm should start the xserver:

:0 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X -bpp 16
 ^ ^
i think this could be your problem.

hope this help

[]s,
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IPEN-CNEN/SP is the Lord's purpose that prevails
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midi software

1997-10-01 Thread Timothy Phan
Hi,

  I'm in the middle of learning to play keyboard/piano.  I'd like to 
  know if there is any MIDI software on Linux that can help me.

  I've AWE32 soundblaster card.  I'd like to know what driver do I
  need.  Currently,  my Debian/Linux box can not play any sound and
  I guessed that I do not have the driver for the soundcard.  So, I
  would like to know how do I go about install the driver.

  Thanks!


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Deity Access

1997-10-01 Thread Brian White
Thanks to Jason building a libc5 verison of the new CVS (with read-only
patches), I've now made the Deity source archive available to everyone.

To get it, go to the directory you want to place the source and do the
following:

  cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cvs login   (password: anonymous)
  cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cvs co deity

From then on, you can just go into the deity directory and do cvs update
to get the latest version of the source.


The deity mailing list is also available publicly in digest format.  You
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Re: How to multitask in X-windows?

1997-10-01 Thread Ted Harding
( Re: Message from ImmortaL )
 
 Actually your both right because my question can go both ways it doesnt
 matter they both are helpful BUT,i tried both ways and they dont work for
 example if i enter X and start netscape and then go back to Xterm i cant
 enter any commands its locked until i kill netscape,i tried it only with
 Xterm i opened two Xterms but the first one didnt work after i opened the
 second one.Then tried the Virtual way Ctrl-alt-Fx and when i did that and a
 new logon screen came on and then when i went back to X there was no X
 there was a shell screen and it showed all the usual commands when X starts
 and it was locked.and i cant do anything so i have to kill it.Do you have
 to be running XDM for it to work?Or do you have any idea why this wont
 work?
 Thanks
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

One possibility which doesn't seem to have been mentioned, which would
explain everything except your last item, is that your X windows are
configured so that you have to left-button-click onto a window in order
to change focus to it. There are several options for focus, the one
I prefer being focus follows mouse plus autoraise, but it's also
perfectly possible to have it set so that if the focus (i.e. the
capability to receive input) is in one window then it stays there until
you move the mouse over another window AND click on that window.

Depending on the window-manager setup, it may be enough to click
anywhere on the new window, or you may have to click on the top bar.

Since, when you create a new xterm, the focus will automatically go to the
new window, if that's how you're configured that's where will stay.

However, your last point is more puzzling. From your description, the most
likely thing is that when you first did Ctrl-Alt-F[x] out of X you ended
up in a different terminal screen from the one you started X from
(depending on the value of [x]); and then when you did Alt-F[y] to get
back to X you chose the wrong value of [y] and ended up in the terminal
screen you started X from, and not in the terminal on which X is running.


If that's the case, since (usually) X is running in VT7 then Alt-F7 should
get you back to X and all is well. You may start X from VT1, but X will
run in VT7 (or whatever). If Alt-F7 doesn't work then try every possible
Alt-F[y] and make a note of which one is the X terminal.  (It won't be F7
if, in your /etc/inittab, you have it set to run gettys on /dev/tty[n]
for [n] going up above 7 -- X runs in the first free VT, i.e. one with
no getty on it).

If it still doesn't work, then you might begin to think that your X
installation is screwed.

Hope this helps,
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fw:[oclug] moving an open file

1997-10-01 Thread Todd Harper
I'm forwarding this question from a local linux user group list.
I thought someone could help.
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In Slackware, I could be downloading a file in minicom then go to another VC
and move the file to another directory without interrupting the file's growth.
In debian, I can't do that anymore.

Is there a way to switch this back on again? Why would they interfere with
this capability?




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Re: Menu errors [fixed]

1997-10-01 Thread Adrian Bridgett
On Sep 29, Will Lowe wrote
 On Mon, 29 Sep 1997, Joey Hess wrote:
 
  You seem to have a number of executable menu files. Look in /usr/lib/menu
  and /etc/menu - remove the executable permissions of any files there that
  are executable (and file bugs on the packages that placed them there.)
 
 Ah,  yes.  It was /var/lib/menu/fvwm95 ... a simple sudo chmod -x fvwm95
 seems to have been the fix,  and I've filed a bug against fvwm95.  

Why does this cause a problem - surely update-menus only needs read
permission on the files - any other permissions are just extra.

I aggree the permissions shouldn't be there, and that a bug report should
be filed against fvwm95, but I've been bitten by the same feature :-(

NB: This feature was still present in menu 1.5-2.

Adrian

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Re: Menu errors [fixed]

1997-10-01 Thread Scott Ellis
On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Adrian Bridgett wrote:

 On Sep 29, Will Lowe wrote
  On Mon, 29 Sep 1997, Joey Hess wrote:
  
   You seem to have a number of executable menu files. Look in /usr/lib/menu
   and /etc/menu - remove the executable permissions of any files there that
   are executable (and file bugs on the packages that placed them there.)
  
  Ah,  yes.  It was /var/lib/menu/fvwm95 ... a simple sudo chmod -x fvwm95
  seems to have been the fix,  and I've filed a bug against fvwm95.  
 
 Why does this cause a problem - surely update-menus only needs read
 permission on the files - any other permissions are just extra.
 
 I aggree the permissions shouldn't be there, and that a bug report should
 be filed against fvwm95, but I've been bitten by the same feature :-(
 
 NB: This feature was still present in menu 1.5-2.

The feature is that if the execute permissions are there, it will attempt
to execute the file and use the output as the menu entry.  It is basically
trying to execute an non-executable file from fvwm95, and so it is a bug
in fvwm95's menu.


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Debian 1.3 problems

1997-10-01 Thread bao . ha
I installed Debian 1.3.  Now, I am having problems logging in as a normal user. 
When logging in root, I got a message about delay bypassed, root allowed to log
in.  Also, when I shutdown, I got a prompt about logging in for maintenance
mode, or control-d to shutdown.  Pressing control-d does not do anything.

Appreciate any comments/suggestions.

Bao


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1997-10-01 Thread JACE159
send me photo's please


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Is there a tool to mirror web sites?

1997-10-01 Thread R Chris Ross
I have some users that heavily use a couple of web sites that 
contain documentation and manuals.  The standard mirror package is 
only for FTP from what I see.  Is there a tool to mirror web sites 
too?



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Re: How to multitask in X-windows?

1997-10-01 Thread Lee Bradshaw
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually your both right because my question can go both ways it doesnt
matter they both are helpful BUT,i tried both ways and they dont work for
example if i enter X and start netscape and then go back to Xterm i cant
enter any commands its locked until i kill netscape,i tried it only with
Xterm i opened two Xterms but the first one didnt work after i opened the
second one.Then tried the Virtual way Ctrl-alt-Fx and when i did that and a
new logon screen came on and then when i went back to X there was no X
there was a shell screen and it showed all the usual commands when X starts
and it was locked.and i cant do anything so i have to kill it.Do you have
to be running XDM for it to work?Or do you have any idea why this wont
work?
Thanks
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

From your original xterm, add an  to the end of your commands to put
the new job in the background and still be able to use the original
xterm.

Example:
kayak- xterm 
kayak- netscape 
kayak-

The first command will open a new xterm and and return the prompt in the
original xterm.  The second command will start netscape and return the
prompt.  The prompt in this case is kayak- .

I assume xdm is being started on virtual console 1.  The X screen is on
the screen one number above your highest virtual console.  For example,
on my system ctrl-alt-F1 thru F6 will switch to virtual consoles. 
ctrl-alt-f7 (or just alt-f7) will switch back to my X screen.

You might want to get a beginner's book on unix/x.  I think the Linux
documentation project has a beginner's guide which covers issues like
this.  O'Reilly generally publishes good unix books as well.

Lee Bradshaw
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Multiple PPP Configurations

1997-10-01 Thread Walter L. Preuninger II
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-

Is there a way to have more than one pppd configuration? Getting another
modem is not an option.

What I would like is something along these lines:
pon work
poff
pon internet

where work has the ppp options/chatscript for dialing up the office, and
internet has the ppp options/chatscript for going online.

I have poured over the PPP Howto, and could not find anything.

Also, as a side note, mgetty can do autoPPP. mgetty also has a callback
utility. I have not tried this, but would it be possible for me to call
work, and have work call me back, bringing up a ppp connection? 

Which is more preferable, PAP or CHAP? Does PAP/CHAP eliminate the need
for callback(for security reasons)?

Thanks,

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Re: Is there a tool to mirror web sites?

1997-10-01 Thread m*
R Chris Ross wrote:
 
 I have some users that heavily use a couple of web sites that
 contain documentation and manuals.  The standard mirror package is
 only for FTP from what I see.  Is there a tool to mirror web sites
 too?
 


yup. try wget_1.4.4-6.deb !

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Iomega Ditto Tape drive on parallel port?

1997-10-01 Thread Johann Spies
I want to by an external tape drive and am considering an Iomega Ditto
that connects to the parallel port.

However, the Howto's say that such drives (that use the parallel port) are
unsupported. Is that also the situation with the 2.0.30-kernel?

I do not have space in my computer box for another drive so I cannot
consider an internal tape drive.

I would appreciate some advice.

Thank you.

Johann.


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Re: fw:[oclug] moving an open file

1997-10-01 Thread ychim
why you need this capability???

Todd Harper wrote:
 
 I'm forwarding this question from a local linux user group list.
 I thought someone could help.
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 [EMAIL PROTECTED]is an idiot.
 
 ---forwarded-message
 
 In Slackware, I could be downloading a file in minicom then go to another VC
 and move the file to another directory without interrupting the file's growth.
 In debian, I can't do that anymore.
 
 Is there a way to switch this back on again? Why would they interfere with
 this capability?


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Re: Is there a tool to mirror web sites?

1997-10-01 Thread ychim
yup...install the mirror package.



R Chris Ross wrote:
 
 I have some users that heavily use a couple of web sites that
 contain documentation and manuals.  The standard mirror package is
 only for FTP from what I see.  Is there a tool to mirror web sites
 too?


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Re: Is there a tool to mirror web sites?

1997-10-01 Thread ychim
Oops...please ignore my previous post:)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 yup...install the mirror package.
 
 R Chris Ross wrote:
 
  I have some users that heavily use a couple of web sites that
  contain documentation and manuals.  The standard mirror package is
  only for FTP from what I see.  Is there a tool to mirror web sites
  too?
 
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man pages...

1997-10-01 Thread jd?

Greetings all,

two quick questionsi installed debian on my box and when i'm running a
shell  trying to look up stuff on man pages, i can not.  Did i miss
something in the installation process  How can i remedy this

And how can i get a standard ppp-connectioni've downloaded all the
ppp/slip packages and was wondering how to config them and use my
modem

Thank you in advanced..

jd?
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Re: midi software

1997-10-01 Thread David Stern
On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, Timothy Phan wrote:

 Hi,
 
   I'm in the middle of learning to play keyboard/piano.  I'd like to 
   know if there is any MIDI software on Linux that can help me.
 
   I've AWE32 soundblaster card.  I'd like to know what driver do I
   need.  Currently,  my Debian/Linux box can not play any sound and
   I guessed that I do not have the driver for the soundcard.  So, I
   would like to know how do I go about install the driver.
 
   Thanks!

First you need to get sound working, then you can see about midi progs. 

To get sound working,..  

 If you have the non-Plug-n-Play, you should be able to just compile
 sound into your kernel.  (might need the awedrv kernel patch, below)

 If you have the Plug n Play version of the awe32, you can either..

   get the commercial OSS Commercial driver for $20 (a five day free
   trial) at some web address I forget, something like
   www.4front-tech.com, (and then you're all done, no patches) or..

   configure your Plug n Play devices by either.. 

  switching to loadlin bootloader (if your bios does Plun n Play
  initialization), or..

  get a plug n play initializer like isapnptools (should be in
  dselect), configure it (time-consuming), then..

 recompile your kernel after adding the awedrv patch (also in
 dselect, you need to run an install script in /usr/src/awedrv
 to apply the patch). 

I don't have a keyboard recently, so I haven't got any tips on programs
that would interest you.  Try a search for 'rose' and 'octave' in
dselect, though. 

David Stern


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