Re: divide the list in beginners and advanced

1998-01-13 Thread smorrill
Here, Here!!  I for one would ask that we not divide the list  I
picked Debian as my first try with Linux after looking at all the
distributions.  I probably jumped in over my head (as you can tell from
the questions I post...  :-) everything I read said Debian was not the
best choice for a newbie to start with.  I have always been impressed
with the amount of support for Debian, and for that reason, this is the
path I took.

I would hope someday to be in the position to "pass it on" and help
others out.

Sometimes when I'm going over the list I find answers to other questions
that I had, somebody else just happened to ask them before I did!  I
always manage to learn something here, even reading the more advanced
stuff...  If I ever get my act together, maybe someday I'll even try to
take on the maintenance of a Debian package...

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Re: divide the list in beginners and advanced

1998-01-13 Thread Shaleh
me too (-;

Actually, I believe that if the lists separated, more advanced people
would not see the e-mail from poor newbies.  I also believe that more
people should read others e-mail.  Even a simple read the manual in blah
directory, that would be more helpful than ignoring them.  I do not
claim to know everything, I often ask newbie type questions about things
i am unfamiliar w/, like my recent samba posts and xdm questions (which
has been ignored).  But I do also help many others, and often spend
hours in irc doing one-on-one type help -- especially for programming
and compilation problems.  Anyway, all I am saying is -- remember we
were newbies once too, some a lot more recent than others.  Most of
these people are not ignorant, just uninformed.  If Linux is to thrive
we must help people use it.


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Re: Xfree: screen size?

1998-01-13 Thread Remco van de Meent
On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Gregory Guthrie wrote:

 : I have gotten Xfree86 setup, and OK so far(!),
 : 
 : but on my 17" screen, I have an unused margin of about 1" all around,
 :  wasted active screen area!
 :  -- what configuration parameter do I have not-perfect?
 : 
 : (I have a S3-V card, Gateway Vivatron 17" monitor, and using the -S3v
 : driver)

I'd say you just need to edit the monitor's 'preferences'. Using an OSD or
something like that... :)


bye, Remco


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Re: Whereis libXpm

1998-01-13 Thread Remco van de Meent
On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Mario Filipe wrote:

 : I have every package that has Xpm in it's name (except the aout one)
 : installed, but i can't find the file libXpm. What is the package where i
 : can get it?

$ dpkg -S /usr/X11R6/lib/libXpm.so.4.10 
xpm4g: /usr/X11R6/lib/libXpm.so.4.10


So you need the xpm4 or xpm4g package for libXpm. You'll never find a
library libXpm without the .so.something by the way.. is any of your
programs asking for it? Don't think so :)


bye. Remco




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Re: Monitor Specs for Xfree86

1998-01-13 Thread Gary L. Hennigan
Steve Mayer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Gregory,
>
>  I believe that the dot clock setting is from the video adapter and not the
>monitor.
>Gregory Guthrie wrote:
>> Gateway informs me that my GW2000 Vivitron 17" monitor is
>>Hscan = 30-64
>>Vscan = 50-100
>>dot-pitch = .26
>>
>> but that they have never heard of dot-clock.
>>
>> I haden't either.  :-)
>>
>> I looked at some of the monitors pages at Xfree86, and they also don't list
>> this.
>>
>> Any hints on what else to ask, or determine it?

You'll want to take a look at the XFree86-Video-Timings-HOWTO, url:

http://www.linuxresources.com/LDP/HOWTO/XFree86-Video-Timings-HOWTO-4.html

It explains all you ever wanted to know (and probably more) about how
the monitor and adapter work. The dot clock is indeed a function of
the adapter, by the way. It's the total number of pixels per second it
can write to the screen.

Good Luck,
Gary Hennigan


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"floating point error" with pine

1998-01-13 Thread dg
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Hi all!

Today I have got a strange error message when starting pine on a terminal. 
After pine has drawn the main menu, it give a message [sorting INBOX ...]
and then pine exits with a "floating point error - kernel dumped". The env
LINES is set and exported with value 20. If I call pine on the console
or with "pine -I L,M" the error doesn't occurs.

Anyone any idea ???

Thx in advance

Daniel Gross

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Re: divide the list in beginners and advanced

1998-01-13 Thread dg
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On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Peter S Galbraith wrote:

>  - Think before you post.  Is the contribution useful, or another `me too' ?
Just DO it! ;-)

>  - If my answer is marginal at best, I often wait a few hours or a day to 
>see if someone posts a better one.
Don't think so. Sometimes somebody doesn't need the "BEST" solution, just
any solution. Or the second best is the one, that somebody else needs!

BTW, I don't think, that the trafic in this list is SO much. My dial up
connection downloads a "complete day share" in 2 or 3 minutes (OK I give
in, I have ISDN with 64000 bps) so it isn't so expensive.

Bye

Daniel Gross

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Re: svgatextmode - how to use

1998-01-13 Thread Martin Bialasinski
Irmund Thum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I've installed svgatextmode with dselect but can't find any file or
> .conf.
> How can I use this utility?

You can use dpkg -L svgatextmode to list the content of a package.

All configuration files go to /etc/.

So:

dpkg -L svgatextmode 

[...]
/etc
/etc/TextConfig
/etc/rc.boot
/etc/rc.boot/svgatextmode
/etc/svgamode   
[...]

/etc/TextConfig and /etc/svgamode are the files to edit.

Ciao,
Martin


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Re: xconfig ?

1998-01-13 Thread Dale Harrison
> 
> Yo-
> 
> I am trying out the GUI xconfig kernel configuration utility bur I come up
> with an error:
> 
> (it runs fine until this, then bails)
> ...
> wish -f scripts/kconfig.tk
> make: wish: Command not found
> make: *** [xconfig] Error 127
> 
> Can someone interpret that and inform me on what I need or don't need to
> get this script to work?

Looks like wish is missing. wish is part of tk. 

% dpkg -S wish
tix41: /usr/bin/tixwish4.1
tix41: /usr/man/man1/tixwish4.1.1.gz
tk42: /usr/bin/wish4.2
tclx76: /usr/bin/wishx7.6
tk42: /usr/man/man1/wish4.2.1.gz

So install tk42 and you should be right..

D.


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Re: Monitor Specs for Xfree86

1998-01-13 Thread Oleg Krivosheev
On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Gregory Guthrie wrote:

> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 13:55:40 -0600
> From: Gregory Guthrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Monitor Specs for Xfree86
> Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 19:44:45 +
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Resent-cc: recipient list not shown: ;
> 
> Gateway informs me that my GW2000 Vivitron 17" monitor is
>Hscan = 30-64
>Vscan = 50-100
>dot-pitch = .26
>
> but that they have never heard of dot-clock.


did they hear about bandwidth ?

OK


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xconfig ?

1998-01-13 Thread Ian Keith Setford

Yo-

I am trying out the GUI xconfig kernel configuration utility bur I come up
with an error:

(it runs fine until this, then bails)
...
wish -f scripts/kconfig.tk
make: wish: Command not found
make: *** [xconfig] Error 127

Can someone interpret that and inform me on what I need or don't need to
get this script to work?

Thanks!

-Ian
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sgrep dependancy checker

1998-01-13 Thread Craig Sanders

in case anyone's curious about what the dependancy checker looks like,
here it is:

---cut here---
#! /bin/sh

DEBIAN_ROOT_DIR="/debian"
PACKAGE_FILES="$DEBIAN_ROOT_DIR/bo/Packages"

DEV_SEARCH='"-dev" or "-dbg" or "-pic"'

DEVPACKAGES=$( cat $PACKAGE_FILES | \
sgrep "DEB_PKG containing (DEB_PACKAGE containing ($DEV_SEARCH))" |\
grep "Package: " | sed -e 's/Package: //g'  )

OTHER="wg15-locale libpthread0 xslib splay boot-floppies"

PKGS="$DEVPACKAGES $OTHER"

# no package is ever likely to be called XYZZYXYZZYXYZZY. slightly
# simpler than stripping off the initial "or " after constructing the
# search string.
SG_SEARCH="\"XYZZYXYZZYXYZZY\""

# build sgrep search string
for PACKAGE in $PKGS ; do
SG_SEARCH="$SG_SEARCH or \"$PACKAGE\" "
done

echo
cat $PACKAGE_FILES | \
sgrep "DEB_PKG containing (DEB_DEPENDS containing ($SG_SEARCH))" | \
sgrep "DEB_PKG containing (DEB_PACKAGE not containing ($SG_SEARCH))" | \
grep "Package: \|Depends: \|^$"

---cut here---


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version 0.10 of autoupgrade script

1998-01-13 Thread Craig Sanders

changes in this version:

 - two bug reports (from Steve Hsieh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> and Barak
   Pearlmutter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) that splay and xslib need to be removed
 - wrote a dependancy checker using sgrep and found that boot-floppies
   needs to be removed too.
 - now checks if user is already in the ../binary-ARCHITECTURE directory

nearly ready for 1.0 release, i think.


---cut here---
#! /bin/sh

DPKG=$(which dpkg)
LDCONFIG=$(which ldconfig)

# uncomment for debugging
#set -x
#DPKG="echo dpkg"
#LDCONFIG="echo LDCONFIG"

# upgrade a libc5 (bo) machine to libc6 (hamm).

# based on Scott Ellis' excellent "Debian libc5 to libc6 Mini-HOWTO"
# document at http://www.gate.net/~storm/FAQ/libc5-libc6-Mini-HOWTO.html

# Author: Craig Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
#
# Copyright Status: This script is hereby placed in the public domain
#
# Revision History:
# v0.00: 1998-01-08 (morning)
#   - a rough transcript of scott's doc and my own experiences
# v0.01: 1998-01-08 (night)
#   - a few bugfixes
#   - i got unlazy and put in the right subdirectories for each package. 
# should run a lot faster.
#   - now checks for failure at critical points and exits with a different
# exit code for each failure.
#   - now uses 'binary-$(dpkg --print-installation-architecture)' instead 
# of 'binary-i386'.
# v0.02: 1998-01-09 
#   - fixed the perl-base/perl install (thanks Lindsay!)
#   - improved the DEVPACKAGES=$(dpkg --get-selections...) and added -dbg
# packages.
# v0.03: 1998-01-09 (p.m.)
#   - fixed some directories
#   - changed "-iB" to "-iBE" so that if the script fails and is run again
# it will not disturb things already in place.
#   - added a final "dpkg --configure --pending".
#   - sanity check that we are in the right place added
# v0.04: 1998-01-10 (Igor Grobman)
#   - made it possible to place all packages in current dir.
#   - added -pic packages to removal list.
#   - make sure dpkg-dev does not get selected for removal.
#   - moved dpkg-ftp and dpkg-mounted to the end.  
# v0.05: 1998-01-10 (Igor Grobman)
#   - added a note about upgrading libraries 
# v0.06: 1998-01-11 (Craig Sanders)
#   - restructured code to avoid code duplication. 
#   - cleaned up a few things
#   - prints advisory notes telling user what's happening.
#   - added some more instructions on what to do about development packages.
#   - added code to guess some obvious locations for the mirror, otherwise
# ask user.
# v0.07: 1998-01-11 (Craig Sanders)
#   - uh oh.  i hard-coded in binary-i386.  quick...better release another
# version before James notices.
# v0.08: 1998-01-11 (Craig Sanders)
#   - added libpthread0 to the remove list.
#   - fixed PKGS_LIBGPP (i mistyped it as PKGS_GPP)
#   - some old version of perl's postrm didn't delete a .packlist file
# from /usr/lib/perl5/i486-linux/5.003/auto/Mail/.packlist.  check for
# it and delete if found before installing perl.
# v0.09: 1998-01-13 (Craig Sanders)
#   - added datadumper and libnet-perl to be installed/upgraded before
# dpkg-ftp.  Thanks, Igor.
#   - changed ` ... ` backticks to $( ... ) for DPKG & LDCONFIG
# variables at top of script.
# v0.10: 1998-01-14 (Craig Sanders)
#   - two reports that xslib depends on xlib6-dev and splay depends on
# libpthread0. added them to the remove list.
#   - wrote a dependancy checker using my debian sgrep macros and found
# that the boot-floppies package depends on libc5-pic. added it to
# remove list.
#   - added "../$ARCH" to $TRY.
#
# TODO: (probably by somebody else.  this script is mostly good enough imo)
#   - this script _still_ needs more error checking :-)

ARCH="binary-$(dpkg --print-installation-architecture)"

PKGS_LIBC6="base/ldso_*.deb base/libc5_*.deb base/libc6_*.deb \
base/timezones_*.deb admin/locales_*.deb"
PKGS_NCURSES="libs/ncurses3.0_*.deb base/ncurses3.4_*.deb"
PKGS_LIBRL="oldlibs/libreadline2_*.deb"
PKGS_LIBRLG="base/libreadlineg2_*.deb"
PKGS_BASH="base/bash_*.deb"
PKGS_LIBGPP="devel/libg++272_*.deb"
PKGS_DPKG="base/dpkg_*.deb utils/dpkg-dev_*.deb"
PKGS_LIBGDBM="base/libgdbm1_*.deb devel/libgdbmg1_*.deb"
PKGS_PERLBASE="base/perl-base_*.deb"
PKGS_PERL="interpreters/perl_*.deb"
PKGS_MOREDPKG="interpreters/data-dumper_*.deb interpreters/libnet-perl_*.deb \
   base/dpkg-ftp_*.deb admin/dpkg-mountable_*.deb"


cat <<__EOF__
This script will install the packages necessary to ensure a safe upgrade
to hamm.  

You need to either have a local or remote mirror mounted, or have the
latest versions of the following packages from hamm available in the
current directory:

ldso, libc5, libc6, timezones, locales, ncurses3.0, ncurses3.4,
libreadline2, libreadlineg2, bash, libg++272, dpkg, dpkg-dev,
dpkg-ftp, dpkg-mountable, libgdbm1, libgdbmg1, perl-base, and perl.

If you are using a mirror, press 'm'.
__EOF__

echo -n "if you have the files in the current dir, press 'c': (m/c) "

read answer

case "$answer" in
m|M)
# local m

Re: NTFS driver as modul

1998-01-13 Thread Adrian Bridgett
On Tue, Jan 13, 1998 at 05:45:00PM +, Ian Watkins wrote:
> MM> > I have tried all sorts of things to get around this, what have I m
> MM> > I have not got module versioning installed in the kernel as far as
> MM> 
> 
> MM> Try to recompile the module under new kernel v33 or insmod it with o
> MM> force:
> MM> insmod -f ntfs.o
> 
> I did, a number of times 
> 
> MM> BTW I've got the same problem, when I've changed kernel...
> MM> Even I don't tour on:
> MM> Set version information on all symbols for modules
> 
> Weird. Is this a bug perchance?

It's not the ideal fix, but the 2.1.x kernels have much better NTFS support
- even (experimental) write. Try 2.1.78 if you want (or possibly 2.1.79
although there seem to be a few compile problems).

Adrian

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Re: xinetd not starting -- where is rpc.portmap?

1998-01-13 Thread Adrian Bridgett
On Tue, Jan 13, 1998 at 01:17:27PM -0500, debian mail recipient wrote:
> 
> I've had a problem telnet-ing to my machine recently, and the reason is
> because xinetd is not starting.  This is because the startup script 
> (S20xinetd)
> checks for a file called "/usr/sbin/rpc.portmap" and, as it is not on my 
> system,
> causes the startup script to exit:
> 
> --- CONTENTS (PARTIAL) OF "bo/Contents-i386" ---
> 
> usr/sbin/rmt utils/cpio

Thanks for the partial include - I have a feeling that it a *pretty large*
file :-)

If you have a look at the startup script, you will see that it is a symlink
to /etc/init.d/xinetd ?  

Anyway: 

[2]wyvern:~$ dpkg -S rpc.portmap
dpkg: *rpc.portmap* not found.
You have mail in /var/spool/mail/bridgett
You have mail in /home/bridgett/mail/kernel
You have new mail in /home/bridgett/mail/Debian/mentor
You have mail in /home/bridgett/mail/Debian/devel
You have mail in /home/bridgett/mail/Debian/user
You have mail in /home/bridgett/mail/Debian/bugs
[2]wyvern:~$ dpkg -S portmap
netbase: /usr/sbin/portmap
netbase: /usr/man/man8/portmap.8.gz
netbase: /usr/doc/netbase/portmapper.txt.gz

So it looks like it has changed it's name to portmap. Is this the latest
xinetd package you have - if so then it looks like a bug report may be needed!

Adrian

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Re: Debian & Win95 files... && FAT32

1998-01-13 Thread G John Lapeyre


I also installed Debian on a machine and needed to preserve Win95
. (also AMD586) .  It was a brand spanking Win95 dist. They now use FAT32
file system. Although it was very difficult to tell (no docs, no info) it
looks like I could no longer make a vfat partition under win95.  I could
make an old fashioned msdos partition.  Actually , it was difficult to
tell what I was making.
Debian 1.3 cannot mount a FAT32 partition. In fact kernels 2.0.x
cannot .  2.1.x with x>something can mount them.  There is a patch for the
2.0.x kernels, but it took me a while to install it. The patch maker had a
different name for the source tree and a sym link to the source tree and
mixed usage of both names.  Then I had to jet the cd-rom module to get the
kernel to compile (I never wrote him, so I am to blame too).
I was trying to install from stuff I'd downloaded to the win95
fat32 partition. And I couldn't . Fortunatly , I had 4 Gigs and made
another msdos partition (under window, it supported long names, but linux
only recognised it as msdos with short names; and not as vfat at all) .
Can someone make a rescue floppy with  a patched kernel ?

Another thing: Fips will not split a FAT32 partition.  The same
patcher has written fipsb, which will do it.  However, a windows but
causes this to break the win95 installation.  I backed out repeatedly by
restoring the MBR, but could never get win95 to boot except in MSDOS mode.
I checked on the web, and it seems to be related to a bug that appears
often independently of fipsb.  MS has a web page on fixing it, but myself
and others tried all the fixes and they don't work.  I ended up wiping out
windows and repartitoning and reinstalling.

By the way: this was my first relatively length exposure to win95.
It is really worse than I imagined.  It reminds my of a $200 000 000
Hollywood movie.  I always say, "If I had to spend that money, I couldn't
make a movie that bad if I tried"

On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, smorrill wrote:

> I have Win95 and Debian 1.3 on the same hard disk on my Amd 586 with
> Doc's Boot as an MBR.  Being still pretty new to Linux, here's a
> question... I downloaded Netscape the other day for Linux, but had to
> use Winbloze to do it 'cause I _still_ haven't got ppp working...
> anyway, can I access the Win95 drive with Linux to retrieve Netscape?
> 
> If so, how do I do that? I suppose I somehow need to set up Debian to
> recognize the Win95 partition...just not sure how to go about it & don't
> want to trash everything! (I've been known to do that!!)
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> TIA!!
> 
> --
>  Steve Morrill
> 
> 
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ldconfig warning while installing packages

1998-01-13 Thread James Dietrich

Rather frequently, while dselect/dpkg is setting up an upgrade to a package,
the following warning appears:

ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/lib/i486-linuxaout/libdb.so.1 (No such file 
or directory), skipping

The only file in /usr/lib/i486-linuxaout is libdb.so.1, which is a link to 
libdb.so.1.85.1 and the latter file is not there.  After searching the Contents
file, it looks like the libdb.so.1.85.1 was part of the libc4 package, which I
removed some time ago.  Is it safe to remove this dangling symlink and the 
i486-linuxaout directory?

Thanks,

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Need help installing

1998-01-13 Thread Mr. Shanon Resha
I am new to Linux.
I was just starting the initial install when I got the message 
   "In swapper task - not syncing."

The box I am installing to is a 486DX33 16m ram, w/ a 1.6g Seagate 
SCSI hd.

This is what was on the screen:

scsi0: BRKADRINT error (0x1):
Illegal Host Address
Kernal Panic: scsi0: BRKADRINT, error 0x1, seqaddr 0x0.
In swapper task - not syncing


Please send responses directly to me:
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I am desperate.

Shanon Resha
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hmm NT domains ans sharee access

1998-01-13 Thread Stephen Carpenter
As I run Linux on my 486 here at work...
(btw I got it working again ...thanx for the help everyone who e-mailed
me)
I want to make iso9660 CD ROM images on my 486 and then burn them
the problem is disk space
I am using an 850 MB hard drive.,..and thatrs really all I have.
which I can put 650 MB of files on...but then have no space to store the
image!
(I would then FTP the image to another system for burning...so it only
needs
to be there a short time really)
Win95 machines here logon to an NT domain...and map a "home drive" with
unknown storage space limits
(none set that Iknow of...and those servers have ALOT of space...I have
put
whole CD ROM images there and been told "ahh there have been worst
abuses")
if I could authenticate with the domain..and acess my home drive and
mount it..
I would be all set
I could image and burn Linux CDs to my hearts content
is there any software to let me do that?
if not..is there any way I can take a directory tree and make it into an
ISO image
such that th eoriginal tree  is destroyed (thus I don't need 2 times the
hard drive space)
is there a better place to ask? (im just looking for pointers
since everyone here has been so helpful)
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PAP With Diald

1998-01-13 Thread Dana M. Epp
Can anyone give me any help with setting up PAP with diald?

My ISDN line currently locks with the DTE flashing, and the logs show I
am not authenticating properly.

I added --name eppdm to my /etc/init.d/diald, as some people suggest
that in some help docs and avenues. However, it doesn't seem to work for
me. Any info, a HOWTO or URL would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: libc5 - libc6 Upgrade Roadmap?

1998-01-13 Thread Scott Ellis
On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Sudhakar Chandrasekharan wrote:

> I read the mini HOWTO and reports in this mailing list about unstable
> being "stable enough".  My machine is kind of a production server.  The
> world would not end if it goes down for a day or so.  But still it is
> important to have it up and running ASAP.  I am planning on upgrading to
> hamm later today.  I have a few questions before I set off -
> 
> * I am downloading the entire hamm binary-i386, contrib and non-free
> tree to a directory (actually, my home directory) on an NFS server.  Is
> there a possibility that NFS might stop working during the upgrade
> process?

Remote NFS filesystems won't break, that is built into the kernel.
Exported NFS filesystems will be off for the time it takes to update
netstd.

> * Could some kind soul who has gone through the upgrade process give me
> a roadmap?  The Mini-HOWTO, though useful, does not provide information
> on how to upgrade the other packages once I have done the basic
> upgrading.  Can I start using dselect after following the instructions
> in the mini-HOWTO?

Yes, after upgrading the core packages and bash and perl, everything else
can be upgraded by pointing dselect to a hamm mirror and running though
the install/configure routine a few times (3-4 probably).

Check out http://stormcrow.ml.org/pub/debian/autoup/ which now has a
script to upgrade all the core packages in the correct order.


> * I have compiled and installed some packages under /usr/local/ (pgsql,
> ssh, socks etc.).  I guess I have compiled these with libc5.  Is there a
> possibility that they would stop working when I upgrade to libc6?

Libc5 and libc6 coexist fine on a system, the libc5-based librarys are
simply moved to an alternate location, similar to the a.out transition.

> * I am running something > 1.3.1.r4  Should I get hold of the libc5
> libraries (from gate.net) that don't conflict with libc6 and upgrade
> after installing these libraries?

That's not necessary with the upgrade script I mentioned above.

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Re: libc5 - libc6 Upgrade Roadmap?

1998-01-13 Thread Will Lowe
On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Sudhakar Chandrasekharan wrote:

> * I am downloading the entire hamm binary-i386, contrib and non-free
> tree to a directory (actually, my home directory) on an NFS server.  Is
> there a possibility that NFS might stop working during the upgrade
> process?
Why don't you just use dselect's "ftp" upgrade method?  Much simpler than
downloading the whole thing.

> * Could some kind soul who has gone through the upgrade process give me
> a roadmap?  The Mini-HOWTO, though useful, does not provide information
> on how to upgrade the other packages once I have done the basic
> upgrading.  Can I start using dselect after following the instructions
> in the mini-HOWTO?
1) Follow the mini-howto.
2) fire up dselect,  select "ftp" as the method,  point it at
ftp.debian.org,  use /debian/hamm/hamm/main/binary-i386 as the
directories.
3) select the packages you want to upgrade (select all of them if you
really want to upgrade them all :)
4) hit "install" and let it run.

You'll have to repeat 2-4 using /debian/hamm/hamm/contrib/binary-i386 and
/debian/hamm/hamm/non-free/binary-i386 to get contrib and non-free.

Will


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Re: About incoming packages

1998-01-13 Thread Tommi Kaariainen
Scott Ellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The debian incoming directory is mirrored at
> ftp://llug.sep.bnl.gov/pub/debian/Incoming/

Thank you.

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PPP in kernel

1998-01-13 Thread OSWALD jean
I still cannot actvate PPP whereas I have installed sucesfully the ppp
module.
dmesg | grep PPP answer nothing
I have check that in the /etc/module file there is no "#ppp"
In the /usr/src/linux/.config file The line is "...PPP=m"

I don not know how to recompile the kernel in order to be able to
activate the PPP daemon. I guess it is with the make-kpkg command but
nothing  happened.

By the way where can, I find the "fdos" module


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libc5 - libc6 Upgrade Roadmap?

1998-01-13 Thread Sudhakar Chandrasekharan
I read the mini HOWTO and reports in this mailing list about unstable
being "stable enough".  My machine is kind of a production server.  The
world would not end if it goes down for a day or so.  But still it is
important to have it up and running ASAP.  I am planning on upgrading to
hamm later today.  I have a few questions before I set off -

* I am downloading the entire hamm binary-i386, contrib and non-free
tree to a directory (actually, my home directory) on an NFS server.  Is
there a possibility that NFS might stop working during the upgrade
process?

* Could some kind soul who has gone through the upgrade process give me
a roadmap?  The Mini-HOWTO, though useful, does not provide information
on how to upgrade the other packages once I have done the basic
upgrading.  Can I start using dselect after following the instructions
in the mini-HOWTO?

* I have compiled and installed some packages under /usr/local/ (pgsql,
ssh, socks etc.).  I guess I have compiled these with libc5.  Is there a
possibility that they would stop working when I upgrade to libc6?

* I am running something > 1.3.1.r4  Should I get hold of the libc5
libraries (from gate.net) that don't conflict with libc6 and upgrade
after installing these libraries?

Your help would be greatly appreciated.

S.
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Re: Announce: Simple End-User Linux (SEUL) Project

1998-01-13 Thread Erik Walthinsen
> One thing I've never been convinced of is the idea in some distribution
> projects that stripping down the number of available packages to only a
> relatively few "essential" applications is a good thing for new, home or
> office users. With a $2 Debian CD from CheapBytes, one has access to
> hundreds of packages -- why restrict that access?
I don't intend to strip anything down, just provide a more coherent, unified 
interface.  This will likely involve GNOME, as it appears to be the best 
project out there (and has the backing [independently, it seems] of both 
Debian and RedHat).

I don't think, given our target audience, that we should put everything that 
exists onto the CD.  An end-user of the type we're targeting does *not* want 
to have to wade through what they would consider to be piles of random, 
useless, or cryptic packages in order to find what they want, which may be a 
game, or a WP to type up their mom's cookie recipe.  In the context of SEUL, 
more is not always better, unless it is coherently presented.

> Could the project goals of SEUL be met by Debian somehow? It already is a
> stable, robust distribution, and is not going to go away. It also has gotten
> easier to install and maintain with recent releases. What if improvements
> were made to Debian's install and upgrade facilities to make it even easier,
> and/or more documentation was created in the form of useful tutorials for
> common procedures -- would this meet SEUL's goals? If so, it would save a
> lot of work both for the SEUL team (who would be creating a new distribution
> from scratch, which realistically would probably never be as robust as
> Debian), and for the Debian project (who would gain the assistance of the
> SEUL folks in making Debian easier to install and maintain).

I have been talking with Bruce Perens about ways to try to coordinate all the 
existing efforts.  What I'm seeing is that the community is indeed 
fragmenting, but it has been doing so for quite a while.  I do not want to 
see SEUL contribute to that.

Personally, I'd like to see SEUL become part of the glue that starts 
organizing all the several dozen random projects (advocacy, publicity, and 
development alike).  I will be presenting some of these ideas to Bruce and 
others in the very near future, and very soon after that I intend to post all 
the information I have and try to find some consensus within the community.

TTYAL,
 Omega

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Re: Monitor Specs for Xfree86

1998-01-13 Thread Steve Mayer
Gregory,

  I believe that the dot clock setting is from the video adapter and not the
monitor.

Steve Mayer
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Gregory Guthrie wrote:

> Gateway informs me that my GW2000 Vivitron 17" monitor is
>Hscan = 30-64
>Vscan = 50-100
>dot-pitch = .26
>
> but that they have never heard of dot-clock.
>
> I haden't either.  :-)
>
> I looked at some of the monitors pages at Xfree86, and they also don't list
> this.
>
> Any hints on what else to ask, or determine it?
> 
> Dr. Gregory Guthrie
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (515)472-1125Fax: -1103
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>College of Science and Technology
>Maharishi University of Management
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Re: What about a "Linux" key?

1998-01-13 Thread Torsten Hilbrich
Enrico Zini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hello PC users!
> 
> What about putting a penguin sticker on top of those "Window 95"
> keys on all new keyboards ?
> 
> [some parts deleted]
> 
> Their scancodes are already seen by Linux, but I could not find any
> way to bind them to a modifier (it seems there are no extra
> modifiers to use). Also, I'm not good enough to fiddle with
> xmodmap. Anyway I have been successfull in binding the menu-like
> thing to compose: "echo keycode 127 = Compose | loadkeys".
> 
> Is there a way to have a new modifier or we need to hack kernel? How
> is Linux doing on a Sun, since they have plenty of extra keys and
> modifiers?

At least in X11 you can easily use the windows keys as new modifier.
I configured the left on as left Alt (my Alt key is Meta) and the
right one as menu.  The menu key is defined as multikey, aka compose):

  keycode 0x73 = Alt_L
  keycode 0x74 = Menu
  keycode 0x75 = Multi_key

  clear Shift
  clear Lock
  clear Control
  clear Mod1
  clear Mod2
  clear Mod3
  clear Mod4
  clear Mod5

  addShift   = Shift_L Shift_R
  addLock= Caps_Lock
  addControl = Control_L Control_R
  addMod1= Meta_L
  addMod2= Num_Lock
  addMod3= Mode_switch
  addMod4= Alt_L Alt_R

The above lines are from my .Xmodmap.

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ftp & ncftp segfaults after libc6 upgrade

1998-01-13 Thread Steve Hsieh

After upgrading to libc6 via the libc5-libc6 HOWTO, and running dselect to
install all the hamm packages, ftp or ncftp no longer works.

Here's what I see:

kanga:[21]~% ftp
Segmentation fault (core dumped)
kanga:[22]~% ldd /usr/bin/ftp
libreadline.so.2 => /lib/libreadline.so.2 (0x4000f000)
libncurses.so.3.4 => /lib/libncurses.so.3.4 (0x40031000)
libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x40076000)
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x4000)
libncurses.so.3.0 => /lib/libncurses.so.3.0 (0x40118000)
libc.so.5 => /lib/libc.so.5 (0x40154000)


Is it possible for ftp to depend on both libc.so.5 and libc.so.6 above? 
How do I resolve whatever is wrong?

Thanks..



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Re: How to save an extra copy of incoming mail?

1998-01-13 Thread dpk
Is there anything against just having an alias that includes the
students and the researchers?

Dennis
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On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Ben Pfaff wrote:

> For a research project here at the university (Michigan State Univ.),
> we are doing a study of the value of different communication methods
> to allow distributed engineering teams to collaborate.  In doing this,
> we'd like to have all the participants send their mail through a
> central server, and have the server, in addition to putting mail in
> their usual mailboxes, save it in another location for use by the
> researchers.
> 
> Example:
>   Foo is a student participating in the project.  He arranges to
> relay all his project-related e-mail through our server, and to
> receive all his project-related e-mail through the server.  How can
> smail, or sendmail, or qmail, or whatever, be configured to save this
> traffic (both directions) in an extra mailbox file?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Ben.
> 
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Re: Updates from non-debian sites? Release numbers..

1998-01-13 Thread Will Lowe
On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Gregory Guthrie wrote:

> Is this compatible with running Debian; or must/should one wait till there
> is a Debian package with that version of the particular program.
You can download the source,  compile it,  and install it under
/usr/local/,  because dpkg won't touch anything there.  Usually we're
pretty good about having hte most-up-to-date upstream releases,  but
sometimes things get backlogged.  If there is a debian package of the
version you need,  I'd recommed using it,  but if not,  go ahead and
install it yourself.  Maybe even _make_ a .deb out of it and contribute it
to the project;  it's not terribly difficult to do.

> 2) How does one correllate release and version numbers; e.g. Debian 1.3.1
> is kernel 2.0.30, but ther is also newer kernel source around (The linux
> Router package is Debian 2.0.32). 
The unstable tree at the moment has a 2.0.32 kernel-source package.  The
best thing to do is to install the default kernel on your CD,  then
install the kernel-source packages and compile a custom kernel from them,
including support for only the stuff you need (eg. cut out the SCSI
support if you don't have SCSI stuff).

> Is the source code at the Debian site newer than the binary releases there?
No,  the source code is the source code that the binary releases are
compiled from.

> I am not clear on the update process and compatibility. I just got a CDROM
> with 1.1.3, is it old already!  :-)
We have at all times two concurrent trees:  the "stable" tree,  which is
stable in the "unchanging" sense.  Then there's the "unstable" tree,
which changes continuosly (new stuff added,  old deleted),  as often as a
few times a day.  When we're satisfied with "unstable",  it'll become
"stable",  and then we'll start on a new unstable.

We're only up to 1.3 now. The next release (whenever we freeze unstable),
in a month or so  will be 2.0.  The system is _entirely_
upgradeable:  install from your 1.1.3 CD,  point dselect at
ftp.debian.org,  select the updates,  and dpkg will install them for
you,  no problem.

Will


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Re: Updates from non-debian sites? Release numbers..

1998-01-13 Thread Ben Pfaff
   1) I often see that the latest and greatest version of some package (e.g.
   XFree86) should always be used, and to get it from that particular home site.

   Is this compatible with running Debian; or must/should one wait till there
   is a Debian package with that version of the particular program.

You can go either way.  In my case, I usually wait, unless the new
version has features that absolutely can't wait.  If you don't wait,
you might have trouble installing the non-Debianized program because
of the changes that the Debian maintainer made.  But if you install
such updated packages to the /usr/local hierarchy, it's usually easy
to fix any problems you have.

   2) How does one correllate release and version numbers; e.g. Debian 1.3.1
   is kernel 2.0.30, but ther is also newer kernel source around (The linux
   Router package is Debian 2.0.32). 

Debian versions and kernel versions don't correlate in any useful way.
You can run any kernel 2.0.x through 2.1.x with Debian 1.3.1.

   Is the source code at the Debian site newer than the binary releases there?

No.

   I am not clear on the update process and compatibility. I just got a CDROM
   with 1.1.3, is it old already!  :-)

1.3.1, you mean?


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Monitor Specs for Xfree86

1998-01-13 Thread Gregory Guthrie
Gateway informs me that my GW2000 Vivitron 17" monitor is
   Hscan = 30-64
   Vscan = 50-100
   dot-pitch = .26
   
but that they have never heard of dot-clock.

I haden't either.  :-)

I looked at some of the monitors pages at Xfree86, and they also don't list
this. 

Any hints on what else to ask, or determine it?

Dr. Gregory Guthrie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (515)472-1125Fax: -1103
Computer Science Department
   College of Science and Technology
   Maharishi University of Management
  (Maharishi International University 1971-1995)



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Updates from non-debian sites? Release numbers..

1998-01-13 Thread Gregory Guthrie
1) I often see that the latest and greatest version of some package (e.g.
XFree86) should always be used, and to get it from that particular home site.

Is this compatible with running Debian; or must/should one wait till there
is a Debian package with that version of the particular program.

2) How does one correllate release and version numbers; e.g. Debian 1.3.1
is kernel 2.0.30, but ther is also newer kernel source around (The linux
Router package is Debian 2.0.32). 

Is the source code at the Debian site newer than the binary releases there?

I am not clear on the update process and compatibility. I just got a CDROM
with 1.1.3, is it old already!  :-)



Dr. Gregory Guthrie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (515)472-1125Fax: -1103
Computer Science Department
   College of Science and Technology
   Maharishi University of Management
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Xfree: screen size?

1998-01-13 Thread Gregory Guthrie
I have gotten Xfree86 setup, and OK so far(!),

but on my 17" screen, I have an unused margin of about 1" all around,
 wasted active screen area!
 -- what configuration parameter do I have not-perfect?

(I have a S3-V card, Gateway Vivatron 17" monitor, and using the -S3v
driver)

Dr. Gregory Guthrie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (515)472-1125Fax: -1103
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ssh and kerberos

1998-01-13 Thread Douglas Bates
The manual entries for ssh and sshd contain information about settings
for Kerberos authentication but I have been unable to decide how to
set up kerberos authentication with ssh.  I do have a local kerberos
realm and authentication server.  Do I also need to have kerberos
clients compiled and installed on my Debian system before I can use
kerberos authentication for ssh?


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Benchmark systems?

1998-01-13 Thread Ian Keith Setford

Yo-

I have searched the web to no avail for a page devoted to or including
Linux benchmarks on various types of hardware.  Like Pentium with EDO as
compared to SDRAM and Pentium 200mmx versus AMD K-6 200mmx.  

Does anyone host or know of a page with such information?

Any information appreciated!

-Ian 
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Re: exporting xauth

1998-01-13 Thread Jens B. Jorgensen
Lee Bradshaw wrote:

> "Richard E. Hawkins Esq." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > After the last round of questions & posts on the topic, I've found
> > that I can stably export xauthority by
> >
> > xauth list $DISPLAY
> >
> > and pasting from MIT on to
> >
> > xauth add $DISPLAY 
> >
> > is there a way to pass this information automatically?
> > particularly, it doesn't pass to su, and I'd also like to pass it to
> > telnet when connecting to remote machines
>
> I've seen lots of messages about using ssh.  The xauth man page has the
> command:
>
>   xauth extract - $DISPLAY | rsh otherhost xauth merge -

> This works fine for me, although I change $DISPLAY to machine:0.  On my
> local machine the DISPLAY is just :0, so this doesn't get extracted or
> merged (I don't know which) in a usable form for the remote machine.

That's great if it works for you. Many system administrators disable (or
rather, don't enable) rsh access because it is *very* insecure. You have to
set DISPLAY to machine:0 because :0 uses 'unix domain' sockets while you
access your X server remotely using tcp/ip. The xclient looks up the cookie
according to the display it is trying to reach, so even though you have the
right cookie (it's the same for 'unix domain' or regular sockets) it can't
be looked up.

> Speaking of ssh, is deity supposed to make it easier to use multiple
> ftp sites?  Currently pgp-us is listed as obsolete/local by dselect.
> Or am I running the update incorrectly?  I've been clearing the list of
> available packages when dselect suggested I do so.

dunno.

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Re: loging into NT

1998-01-13 Thread Jens B. Jorgensen
Not at this time, at least not in the same way logging on to a domain works.
In order to do this samba needs to be able to function as a "Domain
Controller".  The current version does not have this capability, though the
samba team is working on this. When it is available though, you'll have to
maintain two separate password databases since samba can't use the crypt'd
files which Linux does. (ie. If a user wants to change their password,
they'll first have to run passwd and the smbpasswd; likewise when an account
is initially set up.)

If you just want people running NT SP3 to be able to access samba shares,
you'll need to get the sambades package available on non-us.debian.org. Then
you'll need to set up their passwords using the 'smbpasswd' program. If you
give the user the same user/password they "log in" to NT with then they
should be able to reach samba shares just fine. The reason service pak 3
broke this was because it prevented the OS from sending passwords in the
clear over the network.

Pere Camps wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I'd like to know if it's possible to have an NT box that uses the
> login names and passwords of a linux machine in order to log into it.
>
> I can't use linux on that machine because word and excel are a
> must and the people who will be using it don't know anything about unix.

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Re: divide the list in beginners and advanced

1998-01-13 Thread Peter S Galbraith

George Bonser wrote:

>so there is no benefit from splitting them.

> On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Irmund Thum wrote:
> 
> >  Here in Europe we have to pay for our Internet-connections,
> > means beside the phone bill there is an online charging as well.

I think part of the solution is:

 - Think before you post.  Is the contribution useful, or another `me too' ?

 - Trim the post that you are quoting.  If you reply to a message you got
   30 minutes ago, odds are that you don't need to quote all of it to reply
   to it.  This would make messages shorter and faster for people to
   download.

 - If my answer is marginal at best, I often wait a few hours or a day to 
   see if someone posts a better one.
-- 
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Re: Debian & Pgp question...

1998-01-13 Thread dg
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-

On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Scott Ellis wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, smorrill wrote:
> > I have used Pgp for quite awhile with Win95, and thus have already made
> > my secret key & id number, etc.  I would like to get pgp set up with
> > Linux as I would like to move to using Debian exclusively.  Anybody out
> > there familiar with this issue of how I would use my same 1028 bit key
> > (created under Dos, MIT pgp...2.6.2) without having to revoke the
> > existing key a create a new one?
> Get the debian package of pgp from nonus.debian.org if you haven't
> already.
> Copy your secret and public key files to your linux machine
> Backup any existing key files on your linux machine.
> run "pgp -ka" on your secret key ring and your public key ring.

And if you have PGP 5.0 keys (the yellow ones) in your key file under
Win95. Remove these first by simple make backup copies of your key files,
remove the keys (even when they are only used to sign AFAIK) take these
file for Linux, and restore the original key file from you backup copies.

Enjoy ;-)

Daniel

- -
- - Daniel Gross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -
- - Ingolstadt, Germany  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -
- - "If Win95 is the answer, it must have been a real foolish question !" -
- -

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Version: 2.6.3ia
Charset: noconv
Comment: Requires PGP version 2.6 or later.

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88sn2/xXKI1LBGxIbM6W0Zkft0qiBujnjjT2brULj1Va+w6HxWcB+CBZfTQ91dLo
VG6Sx3o3czAlvFC/EYS3La3zALAuQb79swpwrCUMZo3/XSecb5CuP2jObMtjAl7Q
stFizHEBpbwU5QUkaS763bANoElKXxiLSjjgK7oTQVIuB3llpayRpgvLGpVpXYeU
OtKXnuvgQo1GQvxe1fX0zDOkB1SHYazvarpJX3e6d8fHqqMQm4eIByGgZuiJB+pb
DDFfqOs8d/fEBuh+FyMVGKmkmVILM0Y0QKr2jRkjGsAk7AfvZ3QTig==
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Re: Help w/ PPP

1998-01-13 Thread Irmund Thum
jhillma2 wrote:

> Also, my ISP does PAP, so do I even need to use ppp.chatscript?  Is
> there an easier way?  The ppp-howto and net2-howto are, IMO, vague at
> best and do not necessarily coincide with the debian install (i.e., some

for the same reason I'm still using W95 as my internet connection
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divide the list in beginners and advanced

1998-01-13 Thread Irmund Thum
Shouln't it be possible to divide the list in beginners and advanced?

It's a mess to get 70 to 120 mesages every day, more than 90 percent out
of interest. Here in Europe we have to pay for our Internet-connections,
means beside the phone bill there is an online charging as well.
Regards
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Re: How to save an extra copy of incoming mail?

1998-01-13 Thread Peter S Galbraith

Ben Pfaff wrote:

> we'd like to have all the participants send their mail through a
> central server, and have the server, in addition to putting mail in
> their usual mailboxes, save it in another location for use by the
> researchers.

How about setting up a Majordomo mailing list?  Then all mail is archived and
all members can access the archive.

Otherwise, it would be easy to procmail all mail matching some regular
expression in, say, the subject line to a `project' mail spool.  But
perhaps accessing it to read would be more difficult?

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Re: Scanner

1998-01-13 Thread Raymond A. Ingles
On Sun, 11 Jan 1998, Pure Energy wrote:

> On 9 Jan 1998, Ben Gertzfield wrote:

> > TWAIN is a joke. All "TWAIN compliant" means is that it comes with
> > drivers for Windows.
> 
>   I have a Scantastic scanner which uses the "TWAIN compliant"
> drivers. This scanner doesn't have a SCSI interface but an ISA interface
> card. Does the Sane drivers/software detect ISA or only SCSI? 

 Well, it depends on exactly what the ISA card is. It may be an el-cheapo 
SCSI card, in which case, if Linux supports it, so does SANE. Sometimes 
it's just a special parallel port. I think there's work going on to 
support something like that.

 If it's some totally proprietary interface, almost certainly it isn't 
supported yet. You could try to contact Scantastic (or whoever makes the 
scanner) and get interface information. Then, you could write a driver 
yourself or maybe convince someone else to do it.

>   With the growing popularity of the "cheaper" scanners (199.99 and
> less) which use these "TWAIN compliant" drivers i would think that
> something would be designed to use them in the Linux community.

 The problem is that TWAIN is a *Windows* standard. It's more a standard 
about the device driver software, not the device itself. Thus, it's 
basically useless under another operating system.

 There is only one way that TWAIN could be useful. SANE is working on 
being able to use a scanner over a network. That is, you could put the 
scanner on one computer and run the scanning software on another 
computer. There is some investigation of running a bit of SANE software 
under Windows that uses the TWAIN interface to talk to the scanner. Then, 
a networked Linux box could talk to the Windows PC and operate the 
scanner remotely. This isn't useful if you only have one PC, or two PCs 
and no network, though.

 BTW, SANE's URL: "http://www.mostang.com/sane/";

 Sincerely,

 Ray Ingles  (248) 377-7735 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: Staroffice & libc5 5.4.38-0.1

1998-01-13 Thread Pedro Quaresma de Almeida
>X-Authentication-Warning: dakota.gate.net: storm owned process doing -bs
>Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:42:06 -0500 (EST)
>From: Scott Ellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>On 12 Jan 1998, Pedro Quaresma de Almeida wrote:
>
>> Hi
>> 
>> I have a Linux system with libc5 (5.4.20-1) were all the Staroffice
>> programs are working correctly.
>> 
>> I have another Linux system with libc5 (5.4.38-0.1) were I can not
>> run the Staroffice setup program, whem I try...
>> 
>>StarOffice3.1 Installation Tool
>>Segmentation fault (core dumped)
>> 
>> Can you help me? 
>> 
>> I need the last version of libc5 because I need the last version of
>> xbase (I have a matrox millenium II), so I need libc6, so I need libc5
>> (last version).
>
>The setup script is being confused by your xlib6g (the rest of the
>staroffice stuff works).  A hack to get it to work is to rename
>/usr/XllR6/lib to /usr/X11R6/libx, run the setup util, then rename the
>directory back.
>

Thank you. I have done what you suggest and it worked fine.

-- 
At\'e breve
===

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Departamento de Matem\'atica
Faculdade de Ci\^encias e Tecnologia
Universidade de Coimbra
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Some remarks: Interrupts and serial ports

1998-01-13 Thread Wojtek Zabolotny

Hi all!

I've read a discussion about serial ports and interrupts and still have
some doubts.
WHY KERNEL'S SERIAL DRIVER IS WRITTEN IN THIS WAY THAT IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO
SHARE INTERRUPTS?
>From the hardware point of view it should be quite possible. The interrupt
line is driven by a three-state buffer, so it is impossible to use two
serial ports with the same interrupt simultaneously, but it should be
possible to use them by turns.
When program wants to open a serial device, driver should check the status
of the appropriate interrupt line, and open it only if the line is not
used by other devices. It is possible to arrange it that way by slight
changes in the serial driver (Well, I know that if it's so easy I should
propose the concrete solution, but at the moment I really have no time to 
experiment with the kernel).

 What could it be used for?
Just for example:
In my home computer I have four serial ports - two integrated with the
motherboard (used for mouse and modem), and two located on the
Multi-IO board (used for interface for my Casio organizer and EVM 56002
DSP evaluation board).
I may not sacrifice more than two (3 and 4) interrupts for serial ports,
because all other interrupts are already used by other hardware.
I usually use the mouse and ONE of the other devices, so I would like to 
use mouse with COM1/IRQ3, modem with COM2/IRQ4, CASIO with COM3/IRQ4 and
EVM with COM4/IRQ4.
Well, one may say that I could get exactly the same by using only two
serial ports with a switch ('multiplexer'), but it would be more
expensive, would increase amount of cables around my computer, and would
require to operate the switch manually when I change the device.
 
So I think it would be useful to change serial driver that way. If there
are other people interested in it, I would like to discuss with them this
problem.
Wojtek Zabolotny
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PS.
IN FACT IT IS A PROBLEM WITH BRAIN-DEAD PC ARCHITECTURE. THERE SHOULD BE
ONE ONLY INTERRUPT LINE USED BY ALL SERIAL PORTS. THE INTERRUPT LINES IN
ISA SLOT SHOULD BE ACTIVATED WITH "0" LEVEL, AND ALL SERIAL CARDS
SHOULD HAVE OPEN DRAIN OUTPUT. CHECKING AFTER THE INTERRUPT, WHICH SERIAL
PORT CAUSED IT, CAN BE FAST ENOUGH...


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How to save an extra copy of incoming mail?

1998-01-13 Thread Ben Pfaff
For a research project here at the university (Michigan State Univ.),
we are doing a study of the value of different communication methods
to allow distributed engineering teams to collaborate.  In doing this,
we'd like to have all the participants send their mail through a
central server, and have the server, in addition to putting mail in
their usual mailboxes, save it in another location for use by the
researchers.

Example:
Foo is a student participating in the project.  He arranges to
relay all his project-related e-mail through our server, and to
receive all his project-related e-mail through the server.  How can
smail, or sendmail, or qmail, or whatever, be configured to save this
traffic (both directions) in an extra mailbox file?

Thanks in advance,

Ben.


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Re: About incoming packages

1998-01-13 Thread Brandon Mitchell
Public mirrors exist:

ftp://llug.sep.bnl.gov:/pub/debian/Incoming/

Brandon

On 13 Jan 1998, Tommi Kaariainen wrote:

> Ther has been some dicussion about psmisc being stuck in incoming in 
> the master server. Is there way for a non-developer (especially for one who 
> wants to be on the bleeding edge and thinks he know the risks) and to download
> packages that are in incoming, or is it so that if you have to ask you 
> shouldn't need to know?   



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xinetd not starting -- where is rpc.portmap?

1998-01-13 Thread debian mail recipient

I've had a problem telnet-ing to my machine recently, and the reason is
because xinetd is not starting.  This is because the startup script (S20xinetd)
checks for a file called "/usr/sbin/rpc.portmap" and, as it is not on my system,
causes the startup script to exit:


--- LISTING OF S20xinetd ---

#!/bin/sh
#
# Start networking daemons. (with xinetd)
test -f /usr/sbin/rpc.portmap || exit 0 # <--  THE CULPRIT
test -f /usr/sbin/xinetd || exit 0

case "$1" in
  start)
echo -n "Starting base networking daemons: "
echo -n "rpc.portmap " ; start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --exec 
/usr/sbin/rpc.portmap
echo -n "xinetd" ; start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --exec 
/usr/sbin/xinetd
echo
;;
  stop)
start-stop-daemon --stop --quiet --oknodo --exec /usr/sbin/xinetd
start-stop-daemon --stop --quiet --oknodo --exec /usr/sbin/rpc.portmap
killall -9 slattach 2>/dev/null || exit 0
;;
  reload)
start-stop-daemon --stop --quiet --oknodo --pidfile /var/run/inetd.pid 
--signal 1 --exec /usr/sbin/xinetd
;;
  *)
echo "Usage: /etc/init.d/netbase {start|stop}"
exit 1
;;
esac

exit 0

--- END LISTING ---


I've tried to find the package containing this file, but could not do so:


--- CONTENTS (PARTIAL) OF "bo/Contents-i386" ---

usr/sbin/rmt utils/cpio
usr/sbin/room_server devel/groupkit
usr/sbin/rootflags   base/util-linux
usr/sbin/routed  net/netstd
usr/sbin/rpc.bootparamd  net/netstd
usr/sbin/rpc.bwnfsd  net/netstd
usr/sbin/rpc.mountd  net/netstd
usr/sbin/rpc.nfsdnet/netstd
usr/sbin/rpc.pcnfsd  net/netstd
usr/sbin/rpc.rquotad admin/quota
usr/sbin/rpc.rstatd  net/netstd
usr/sbin/rpc.rusersd net/netstd
usr/sbin/rpc.rwalld  net/netstd
usr/sbin/rpc.ugidd   net/netstd
usr/sbin/rpc.yppasswdd   net/nis
usr/sbin/rpc.ypxfrd  net/nis
usr/sbin/rsmtp   
mail/smail,mail/exim
usr/sbin/run-msqld   non-free/msqld

--- END LISTING ---


What should I do about this?

TIA

-- Harmon


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Re: About incoming packages

1998-01-13 Thread Scott Ellis
On 13 Jan 1998, Tommi Kaariainen wrote:

> Ther has been some dicussion about psmisc being stuck in incoming in 
> the master server. Is there way for a non-developer (especially for one who 
> wants to be on the bleeding edge and thinks he know the risks) and to download
> packages that are in incoming, or is it so that if you have to ask you 
> shouldn't need to know?   

The debian incoming directory is mirrored at
ftp://llug.sep.bnl.gov/pub/debian/Incoming/

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About incoming packages

1998-01-13 Thread Tommi Kaariainen
Ther has been some dicussion about psmisc being stuck in incoming in 
the master server. Is there way for a non-developer (especially for one who 
wants to be on the bleeding edge and thinks he know the risks) and to download
packages that are in incoming, or is it so that if you have to ask you 
shouldn't need to know?   

Regards,
/Tommi Kääriäinen/


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Re: Wmaker (hamm) and menu pkg.

1998-01-13 Thread joost witteveen
> 
> > What you do want to do is to edit the /etc/menu-methods/ file for
> > you window manager ("WindowMaker-- what's that? Is that a new window
> > manager I didn't hear about, but does include a Menu-method? Fab!)
> 
> It's a better Afterstep then Afterstep :)  I swapped about two months ago
> and am in love... it's fast, stable and pretty (one of the few that gets
> more then 2 out of the previous three :).

Actually, I just see that I already helped in generating that
/etc/menu-methods/wmaker file. On my system I've got:

rulcmc:~/.menu-methods$ ls -al
total 11
drwxr-xr-x   2 joostusers1024 Jul 18 21:03 ./
drwxr-xr-x  59 joostusers7168 Jan 13 19:01 ../
-rw-r--r--   1 joostusers1338 Jul 18 21:02 menu.h
-rwxr-xr-x   1 joostusers 425 Jul 18 22:43 wmaker*

But hey, Jul 18th, that's way too long for my memory!

It does mean that wmaker's menu-method probably one of the best
(it uses the "!include menu.h").

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still .forward problem

1998-01-13 Thread Andy Spiegl
Hi!

I am trying to set up a procmail filter for one of my users (kleist).
I put the following in his .forward file:
"|IFS=' ' && p=/usr/bin/procmail && test -f $p && exec $p -Y || exit 75 #kleist"

Now when I send a test mail to him, it shows up in the queue, but doesn't
get delivered.  It sits there for quite a while.  Then - 15 to 25 minutes
later - all of a sudden sendmail decides to pipe it to procmail.

I guess I am doing something wrong, but I couldn't find anything in the
sendmail and procmail docs.

BTW, here are (parts of) what I found in /var/log/mail.log:
 Jan 11 14:54:37 localhost sendmail[3124]: OAA03124: to="|IFS=' ' && 
p=/usr/bin/procmail && test -f $p && exec $p -Y || exit 75 #kleist", 
delay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=queued
 Jan 11 15:16:31 localhost sendmail[3236]: OAA03124: to="|IFS=' ' && 
p=/usr/bin/procmail && test -f $p && exec $p -Y || exit 75 #kleist", 
ctladdr=kleist (1005/100), delay=00:21:54, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, 
stat=Sent


I also tried a simpler .forward ("|/bin/cat > /tmp/abc"), but same thing 
happened:

 Jan 11 15:34:33 localhost sendmail[3448]: PAA03448: to="|/bin/cat > /tmp/abc", 
delay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, stat=queued
 Jan 11 15:46:31 localhost sendmail[3488]: PAA03448: to="|/bin/cat > /tmp/abc", 
ctladdr=kleist (1005/100), delay=00:11:58, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=prog, 
stat=Sent

Thanks a lot in advance for any help,
 Andy.

PS: Sorry for the long lines.

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Re: Announce: Simple End-User Linux (SEUL) Project

1998-01-13 Thread Matthew Majka
Michael Stutz wrote:
>On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, George Bonser wrote:
>
> > I think it might be a better idea to concentrate resources on the one
> > currently available completely free Linux distribution and improve it
> > rather than further fragment the community with yet another distribution.
>
> Could the project goals of SEUL be met by Debian somehow? It already is a
> stable, robust distribution, and is not going to go away. It also has gotten
> easier to install and maintain with recent releases. What if improvements
> were made to Debian's install and upgrade facilities to make it even easier,
> and/or more documentation was created in the form of useful tutorials for
> common procedures -- would this meet SEUL's goals? If so, it would save a
> lot of work both for the SEUL team (who would be creating a new distribution
> from scratch, which realistically would probably never be as robust as
> Debian), and for the Debian project (who would gain the assistance of the
> SEUL folks in making Debian easier to install and maintain).

I definitely have to agree with these statements.  I think
the last thing a new Linux user needs, is another Linux
distribution to choose from.  I know I was a bit
dissappointed with the fragmentation when I started with it
(about 3 months ago).  Please take Debian and improve the
installation utilities (I'm a big fan of SGI's 'swmgr'. 
Anyone want to write a clone for dpkg?).  Maybe move the
documentation into a web-based format (HTML) to make the
current information easier to navigate.  Maybe web-based
admin tools?

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Whereis libXpm

1998-01-13 Thread Mario Filipe
Hi

I have every package that has Xpm in it's name (except the aout one)
installed, but i can't find the file libXpm. What is the package where i
can get it?

Mario Filipe
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bent lines in some applications in X

1998-01-13 Thread Richard E. Hawkins Esq.

The more I look at this, the odder it gets.

In some applications, notably lyx and (sometimes) netscape, at 1024x768 I get 
lightly displaced horizontal lines.  a coulpe of lines will indent a couple of 
pixels to the right, for a little bump on the edge and waver across the screen.

At first i thought I was exceeding the video card or display frequencies, but 
that doesn't seem to be the case.

The oddities are that it depends upon which application it is, and it's depth 
on the screeen.  It is most pronounced when it is the frontmost window.  If 
another window comes to the front, even with the first the active window, 
things get better.

Also, the irregularity is not at a fixed point on the screen; it moves with 
the windows.
 
I'm at a loss for a rational explanation here.

rick

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NTFS driver as modul

1998-01-13 Thread Ian Watkins
MM> > I have tried all sorts of things to get around this, what have I m
MM> > I have not got module versioning installed in the kernel as far as
MM> 

MM> Try to recompile the module under new kernel v33 or insmod it with o
MM> force:
MM> insmod -f ntfs.o

I did, a number of times 

MM> BTW I've got the same problem, when I've changed kernel...
MM> Even I don't tour on:
MM> Set version information on all symbols for modules

Weird. Is this a bug perchance?

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Libc5 / Libc6

1998-01-13 Thread Ian Watkins
BN> > I want to upgrade one or two of the packages on my system beyond t
BN> distribution. The newer packages are all requiring libc6, but that c
BN> (in DSELECT) with libc5 which is a dependence to a _very_ large numb
BN> programs. =:|
BN> >
BN> > What should I do? Forget it and wait?

BN> One possibility would be to get the source tar package and make your
BN> debian package from that.  I've tried this a few times without a lot
BN> success, but will persevere (I've read all the debmake documentation
BN> still have a few problems). The other would be to compile and instal
BN> software in a "relatively safe" directory such as /usr/local.

The source is enormous (for a slow FTP link anyway ) and I just 
haven't the time to fight my way through that. I had enough fun 
recompiling the kernel, but it's working now.

I have had one or two scares moving from libc5 -> libc6, but it seems 
relatively OK now

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loging into NT

1998-01-13 Thread Pere Camps
Hi!

I'd like to know if it's possible to have an NT box that uses the
login names and passwords of a linux machine in order to log into it.

I can't use linux on that machine because word and excel are a
must and the people who will be using it don't know anything about unix.

TIA!

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Re: Debian & Pgp question...

1998-01-13 Thread Scott Ellis
On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, smorrill wrote:

> I have used Pgp for quite awhile with Win95, and thus have already made
> my secret key & id number, etc.  I would like to get pgp set up with
> Linux as I would like to move to using Debian exclusively.  Anybody out
> there familiar with this issue of how I would use my same 1028 bit key
> (created under Dos, MIT pgp...2.6.2) without having to revoke the
> existing key a create a new one?

Get the debian package of pgp from nonus.debian.org if you haven't
already.

Copy your secret and public key files to your linux machine

Backup any existing key files on your linux machine.

run "pgp -ka" on your secret key ring and your public key ring.

Enjoy :)

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Re: Debian & Win95 files...

1998-01-13 Thread dpk
You can mount vfat filesystems under linux.  Make sure your kernel is
configured for vfat support.  Simply typing 'cat /proc/filesystems' will
list all FS types that are supported.  If you don't see vfat, run 'modconf'
and load the module for vfat support.  Then find out what partition Win95 is
located on. If your win95 partition is /dev/hda1 execute 'mount -t vfat
/dev/hda1 /mnt'

When you 'cd /mnt' you will see your Win95 partition( c:\ ).  

Thanks,
Dennis
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On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, smorrill wrote:

> I have Win95 and Debian 1.3 on the same hard disk on my Amd 586 with
> Doc's Boot as an MBR.  Being still pretty new to Linux, here's a
> question... I downloaded Netscape the other day for Linux, but had to
> use Winbloze to do it 'cause I _still_ haven't got ppp working...
> anyway, can I access the Win95 drive with Linux to retrieve Netscape?
> 
> If so, how do I do that? I suppose I somehow need to set up Debian to
> recognize the Win95 partition...just not sure how to go about it & don't
> want to trash everything! (I've been known to do that!!)
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> TIA!!
> 
> --
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> 
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Re: Networking loading on boot before PCMCIA services for network card

1998-01-13 Thread Mike Miller
> "Asher" == Asher Haig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I have a problem when my system boots where networking
> loads before the PCMCIA services that are needed to drive
> the network card. As a result, I have to run
> /etc/init.d/network whenever I boot before networking will
> work.

> Anyone have any idea why this might happen? The proper rc.*
> files are all there, as far as I can tell

It is simplest not to use /etc/init.d/network with a PCMCIA
network card.  I suggest that you put your network details in
/etc/pcmcia/network.opts and that you trim them from 
/etc/init.d/network.  Then your network will not start until you
insert your network card.

You might want to leave the loopback in /etc/init.d/network -
like this:
  ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1
  route add -net 127.0.0.0

For details on how to setup /etc/pcmcia/network.opts, see the
PCMCIA faq.  If you use your system on multiple networks, you can
specify different schemes which make switching among them very
simple. 

Regards, Mike


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Debian & Pgp question...

1998-01-13 Thread smorrill
I have used Pgp for quite awhile with Win95, and thus have already made
my secret key & id number, etc.  I would like to get pgp set up with
Linux as I would like to move to using Debian exclusively.  Anybody out
there familiar with this issue of how I would use my same 1028 bit key
(created under Dos, MIT pgp...2.6.2) without having to revoke the
existing key a create a new one?

TIA
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Debian & Win95 files...

1998-01-13 Thread smorrill
I have Win95 and Debian 1.3 on the same hard disk on my Amd 586 with
Doc's Boot as an MBR.  Being still pretty new to Linux, here's a
question... I downloaded Netscape the other day for Linux, but had to
use Winbloze to do it 'cause I _still_ haven't got ppp working...
anyway, can I access the Win95 drive with Linux to retrieve Netscape?

If so, how do I do that? I suppose I somehow need to set up Debian to
recognize the Win95 partition...just not sure how to go about it & don't
want to trash everything! (I've been known to do that!!)

Any suggestions?

TIA!!

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Re: Announce: Simple End-User Linux (SEUL) Project

1998-01-13 Thread Michael Stutz
On Mon, 12 Jan 1998, George Bonser wrote:

> I think it might be a better idea to concentrate resources on the one
> currently available completely free Linux distribution and improve it
> rather than further fragment the community with yet another distribution.

One thing I've never been convinced of is the idea in some distribution
projects that stripping down the number of available packages to only a
relatively few "essential" applications is a good thing for new, home or
office users. With a $2 Debian CD from CheapBytes, one has access to
hundreds of packages -- why restrict that access?

Could the project goals of SEUL be met by Debian somehow? It already is a
stable, robust distribution, and is not going to go away. It also has gotten
easier to install and maintain with recent releases. What if improvements
were made to Debian's install and upgrade facilities to make it even easier,
and/or more documentation was created in the form of useful tutorials for
common procedures -- would this meet SEUL's goals? If so, it would save a
lot of work both for the SEUL team (who would be creating a new distribution
from scratch, which realistically would probably never be as robust as
Debian), and for the Debian project (who would gain the assistance of the
SEUL folks in making Debian easier to install and maintain).


Michael Stutz  .  http://dsl.org/m/  .  copyright disclaimer etc
stutz@dsl.org  :  finger for pgp :  http://dsl.org/copyleft/


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smail and bouncing

1998-01-13 Thread Pann McCuaig
At work I have a bo system serving in-house e-mail. Most of the client
machines are running IE on Win95 and get their mail via POP3.

Mail is transferred between ISP and the bo system using uucp and smail.

Everything is fine.

But . . .

Say a message comes in for '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' instead of '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
and I haven't got the alias set up. It bounces.

What I'd like is for that bouncing to be deferred. I'd like it to go
into a 'bounce' folder where I could look at it and either forward it
to the appropriate user or let it go ahead and bounce.

Any suggestions, including RTFM suggestions, appreciated.

Cheers,
 Pann


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Re: exporting xauth

1998-01-13 Thread Lee Bradshaw
"Richard E. Hawkins Esq." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> After the last round of questions & posts on the topic, I've found
> that I can stably export xauthority by
> 
> xauth list $DISPLAY
> 
> and pasting from MIT on to
> 
> xauth add $DISPLAY 
>
> is there a way to pass this information automatically?
> particularly, it doesn't pass to su, and I'd also like to pass it to
> telnet when connecting to remote machines

I've seen lots of messages about using ssh.  The xauth man page has the
command:

  xauth extract - $DISPLAY | rsh otherhost xauth merge -

This works fine for me, although I change $DISPLAY to machine:0.  On my
local machine the DISPLAY is just :0, so this doesn't get extracted or
merged (I don't know which) in a usable form for the remote machine.

Speaking of ssh, is deity supposed to make it easier to use multiple
ftp sites?  Currently pgp-us is listed as obsolete/local by dselect.
Or am I running the update incorrectly?  I've been clearing the list of
available packages when dselect suggested I do so.

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Re: Debian and Windoze 95

1998-01-13 Thread Lee Bradshaw
Thomas Kocourek wrote:
> Catalin Popescu writes:
> > 
> > A friend of mine has a hard-disk of 1.2Gb with 2 partions: /dev/hda1, 
> > /dev/hda2.
> > 
> > On /dev/hda1 he has Win'95. Is there any problems with booting if I
> > help 
> > him to insatll Debian 1.3.1 on /dev/hda2 and try to boot it with
> > loadlin.
> > 
> 
> Actually, either method works fine (loadlin vs LILO). My two cents worth:
> Be prepared to repair either method when Win95 goes _crash_ and you end up
> reloading Win95. For loadlin, have a spare DOS floppy with loadlin.exe on it.
> For LILO, have a bootable Linux floppy (created at installation time).  After
> reloading Win95, either copy over loadin.exe or reboot using the Linux floppy
> and re-run LILO as the root account.
> 
> Best of luck!

Actually if you install LILO in a partition instead of on the MBR you
can run win95 fdisk to change the active partition and have LILO working
again.

Compare the two lines:
boot = /dev/sda2   # partition
boot = /dev/sda# MBR

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Re: slrnpull.conf

1998-01-13 Thread Pann McCuaig
On Mon, Jan 12, 1998 at 08:57:36PM +0200, Neilen Marais wrote:

> I'm trying to install slrn with slrnpull working, but the slrnpull.conf
> file that the readme says I must use as an example for writing my own
> is no-where to be found, and slrnpull don't seem to do anything w/o
> this file...

/usr/doc/slrn/README.slrnpull.gz


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Re: Very small installation

1998-01-13 Thread Stephen Gregory
How small do you want? I have installed a bunch of usefull stuff on
less then 60MB of hard drive space.

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Re: Lilo ?

1998-01-13 Thread tko
Ian Keith Setford writes:
> 
> 
> Yo-
> 
> I have Debian running fine on my first hard drive (/dev/hda) and I wish
> to add another disk and install Win95 on it (bummer).  My DOS/Windows boot
> disks will not allow me to install Win on the second drive(/dev/hdc).
> Error message says, "Remove NTFS or Disk cache...before continuing."  The
> drive is formatted for DOS and is empty so I am at a loss.
> 
> Any help/suggestion greatly appreciated!
> 
> -Ian

You most likely will have to do some hardware shuffling. From your message, I
gather that you have a CDRom Drive as /dev/hdb. Most OS'es prefer hard drives
to be sequential on an IDE bus (DOS: C,D,E; LINUX: hda,hdb,hdc) with any CDRom 
drives afterward. I suggest that you map your second hard drive as /dev/hdb 
and put the CDRom drive as /dev/hdc. SCSI bus based stuff is a different
ballgame. When you install Win95/DOS, it should ignore the first drive and be
happy with the second drive. Worse case, temporarily disable the first drive
and make the second drive look like the only drive in the system. Install
WIn95/DOS and then put the hard drives as you want them and use LILO to manage
the boot up. 

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Re: ? on Authorization and digest

1998-01-13 Thread tko
Noe' Franco writes:
> 
> WE'RE USING DEBIAN GNU LINUX 1.3
> ON AUTHORIZATION : WHEN DOING THE .htaccess FILE CAN DIGEST BE USED? IS IT
> SUPPORTED YET?
> 
> I KNOWN THIS IS A ROOKIE QUESTION, WHAT IS A REALM? IT'S TALKED ABOUT BUT
> NEVER EXPLAINED.
> 
> AND FINALLY IF YOU HAVE ANY TIPS OR PLACES TOGO ON USER/PASSWORD
> AUTHORIZATION IT WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
> 
> FARSIGHT WEB ADMIN
> NF.

(to quote Johnny 5 of Short Circuit fame) NEED MORE INPUT! Really, which web
package are you using? Have you bothered to read the _all_ the documentation?
I've found many times that reading all documentation for a package will shed
much light on "rookie" questions. As suggested by another person, you may want
to consider obtaining a book on the appropiate web server. Oh yes, BTW please
use lower case in your messages. Uppercase writing is for emphasis and too
much emphasis in a message irritates net deizens who like me have been on
Internet for a long time. (I remember when there was no such thing as the
"World Wide Web" and used Email as the primary means of communication.)

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kernel/modules versions and CONFIG_MOD_VERSIONS

1998-01-13 Thread Ulisses Alonso Camaro
Hi all,

I think there is no good information in HOWTOs .../kernel/Documentation/*,
etc... files about this subject. Where I can found more info about it?

I specially interested with loading modules/kernels with mixed versions
and symbols tables.

Thanks in advance

Ulisses



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Re: where did xforms go?

1998-01-13 Thread jdassen
On Tue, Jan 13, 1998 at 08:15:40AM -0600, Richard E. Hawkins Esq. wrote:
> suddently, xforms and xforms-dev are no longer available.  Does anyone
> know where they went?

They were to be replaced by libforms* packages. It looks like the xforms*
packages have already been removed, while the libforms* ones are still in
Incoming. For now, get them from a mirror of Incoming, like
ftp://ftp.lh.umu.se/pub/linux/debian-Incoming

HTH,
Ray
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where did xforms go?

1998-01-13 Thread Richard E. Hawkins Esq.

suddently, xforms and xforms-dev are no longer available.  Does anyone know 
where they went?

rick

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Re: Lilo ?

1998-01-13 Thread Sten Anderson
Ian Keith Setford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I have Debian running fine on my first hard drive (/dev/hda) and I wish
> to add another disk and install Win95 on it (bummer).  My DOS/Windows boot
> disks will not allow me to install Win on the second drive(/dev/hdc).
> Error message says, "Remove NTFS or Disk cache...before continuing."  The
> drive is formatted for DOS and is empty so I am at a loss.

Swap the disks. This way Win95 gets the primary disk as it
likes. Debian can easily live on the secondary disk. 

The only problem is to configure the booting. I suggest that you copy
your kernel to a FAT floppy before swapping the disks. Also copy
loadlin.exe to the floppy. Now swap the disks and install win95. 

You should now be able to boot back to Debian from a dos-prompt with
something like: a:\loadlin.exe a:\wmlinuz root=/dev/hdc2 ro 

As the last step you should reconfigure LILO to give you a proper
dualboot setup. 

- Sten Anderson


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Re: configuring sound card

1998-01-13 Thread Daniel Martin at cush
Chris Keathley Keathley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I read the how to's on  how to install my sound card but when I type
> "make config" it is giving me a msg that says something about missing
> target, I can't remember exactly what it said.  What am I doing wrong
> if any thing. Is there a different procedure for debian, and if so
> where can it be found.

Well, remembering exactly what it said would help.  In order to enable
sound support, you need to recompile your kernel.  Install the
packages "libc5-dev", "bin86", "make", "gcc", "kernel-package" and one
of the "kernel-source-*" packages.  Then:
cd /usr/src/linux
make config

Most of the config you can just accept the default values, as I
believe that when you install one of the debian kernel-source
packages, it defaults to the way the stock debian kernel is compiled.
(Of course, you'll want to do something different from the default
once you get to the sound section).


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configuring sound card

1998-01-13 Thread Chris Keathley Keathley
I read the how to's on  how to install my sound card but when I type
"make config" it is giving me a msg that says something about missing
target, I can't remember exactly what it said.  What am I doing wrong
if any thing. Is there a different procedure for debian, and if so
where can it be found.





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Re: gated.*deb??

1998-01-13 Thread jdassen
On Tue, Jan 13, 1998 at 01:57:38PM +0100, Peter Gervai wrote:
> Am I right to see that there is no gated debian package?

Yes. There are licensing issues with gated (I don't know details; search the
mailing list archives for them).

HTH,
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gated.*deb??

1998-01-13 Thread Peter Gervai
Hello,

Am I right to see that there is no gated debian package?

(please cc email on me)

bye,
peter



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Re: init.d, rc0.d, ... rc6.d

1998-01-13 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Sen Nagata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>is there already some administrative command one can use to easily
>enable/disable a service?  i know it is possible to write scripts to do
>this for various services...but perhaps there is already some existing
>method?

update-rc.d

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Aztech Telephony (and type) Boards

1998-01-13 Thread C.J.LAWSON
Hi,
I was thinking of aquiring a Telephony audio
(sound/answerphone/fax/modem) boards. Does anyone know of any reasons why
I shouldn't and what is the best possible one to aquire

Thanks 

Jonathan


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Re: svgatextmode - how to use

1998-01-13 Thread John Boggon

-Original Message-
From: Irmund Thum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org 
Date: Tuesday, 13 January 1998 8:08 pm
Subject: svgatextmode - how to use


>I've installed svgatextmode with dselect but can't find any file or
>.conf.
>How can I use this utility?
>Thanks in advance
>__


Read and edit /etc/TextConfig. Pretty self explanatory.

John


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Re: svgatextmode - how to use

1998-01-13 Thread Jim Foltz
On Mon, Jan 12, 1998 at 07:55:16PM +0100, Irmund Thum wrote:
> I've installed svgatextmode with dselect but can't find any file or
> ..conf.
> How can I use this utility?
> Thanks in advance
> __
> IT

I had to un-comment the lines in /etc/rc.boot/svgatextmode to actiate it.


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Re: init.d, rc0.d, ... rc6.d

1998-01-13 Thread Sen Nagata
at some point around 12 Jan 1998 07:57:06 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mentioned:

> Sen Nagata writes:
> >   what kind of advantages does this kind of approach have compared to
> > having a single file for each run level (or even one file for all
> > runlevels) describing which scripts to run (as well as the order to run
> > them in)?
> 
> The present system is safer and easier to automate.  If you screw up
> editing the single file you may cause everything in the file to fail: 

that's true.  in general this is the case if, for a given program (or a
set of programs being managed by a single configuration file), one edits
'the-currently-used' configuration file directly, right?

if one were to edit a copy of a configuration file (a 'candidate
configuration file') and then perform renaming of files (i think qmail
uses a similar technique for reliability), that's safer right?  it seems
like this kind of feature could be built into editors (or added as an
extension) -- so you specify which configuration file you'd like to
update, the editor creates another file which you edit first, and then
the editor performs the 'reliable' updating for you.  anyway...i didn't
want to make a point about editors, just a point about the process of
altering configuration files.  wouldn't it make sense to have something
that provides more reliable/safe altering of configuration files
(perhaps incorporating a mechanism similar to what is suggested above)?

> you may not even be able to boot.  

point well-taken :-)

> The present system just requires that you create some links.  
> That is easy to do with a script, and if it fails only the service being 
> added is affected.

that's true.  

is there already some administrative command one can use to easily
enable/disable a service?  i know it is possible to write scripts to do
this for various services...but perhaps there is already some existing
method?

-sen


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Re: setting up xdm for runlevel 4

1998-01-13 Thread Martin Bialasinski
Shaleh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I would like to setup xdm so that it s started upon entering runlevel 4
> and stopped when dropping back down to runlevel 3.  How does debian
> handle xdm??
> 
It is done with symlinks in the /etc/rc.d directories.

I recommend the update-rc.d programm for altering the setup.

Ciao,
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Re: Help w/ PPP please please plase

1998-01-13 Thread Martin Bialasinski
jhillma2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> pon was the closest, but it kept erroring out.  I know the problem is
> with the way the ppp.chatscript was setup, but I don't know what the
> format is (e.g., which lines tell it to wait for "foo" then send
> "bar").  Could somebody please tell me the syntax for the lines in
> ppp.chatscript?

[expect][send]

simple, isn't it?

> Also, my ISP does PAP, so do I even need to use ppp.chatscript?  Is
> there an easier way?  The ppp-howto and net2-howto are, IMO, vague at

You need the chapscript, but you have to truncate it.

Make it read:

ABORT BUSY
ABORT "NO CARRIER"
ABORT VOICE
ABORT "NO DIALTONE"
""AT&F
OKATDT
CONNECT 

Also edit your /etc/ppp.options like:

defaultroute /dev/ttyS1 115200 debug user  

Then add a line to your /etc/ppp/pap-secrets:

 *   


If you choose to use X, I recommend the xisp package. You can get a fairly
new version from ftp://134.95.210.54/pub

Ciao,
Martin


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Re: which pgp package for international?

1998-01-13 Thread Alex de Joode

We changed the settings accordingly.

: On Mon, Jan 12, 1998 at 06:21:40PM +0100, Alex de Joode wrote:
: > We mirror ftp.de.debian.org/debian-non-us/
: 
: Please change your mirror settings then. The hostname "nonUS.debian.org" is
: preferred, and the link is /debian-non-US, US in capitals. So, please use
: ftp://nonUS.debian.org/debian-non-US/
: 
: Also, you appear to have mirror settings that cause ftp.replay.com not to
: delete files that have been deleted on the original site. While that may be
: appropriate for some of the sites you are mirroring, it is not preferable
: for Debian, as it can confuse users.

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svgatextmode - how to use

1998-01-13 Thread Irmund Thum
I've installed svgatextmode with dselect but can't find any file or
.conf.
How can I use this utility?
Thanks in advance
__
IT




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Very small installation

1998-01-13 Thread Matthias L Jugel
Hi,

has anyone thought of a very small installation. Maybe using a pseudo-package?
I am looking for such an installation.

Leo.
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Re: Networking loading on boot before PCMCIA services for network card

1998-01-13 Thread tko
Asher Haig writes:
> 
> I have a problem when my system boots where networking loads before the 
> PCMCIA services that are needed to drive the network card. As a result, I 
> have to run /etc/init.d/network whenever I boot before networking will 
> work. 
> 
> Anyone have any idea why this might happen? The proper rc.* files are all 
> there, as far as I can tell

Look in the rc2.d directory. The links to the scripts in /etc/init.d have
S prepended to the name. They are executed in ascending order. Simply
rename the PCMCIA link to a lower number so that it executes before
"S15netstd_init" does.

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Re: How to boot multiple OS

1998-01-13 Thread tko
whkye writes:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> Now I try to install the debian 1.3.1 package.
> It seems that the debian liloconfig  does not support multiple
> OS boot. It does not ask me the other partition
> information.

You will have to hand edit the /etc/lilo.conf file and add the needed
information for multi-OS bootup. Be aware that if one of the OSes does not
have a valid boot, LILO won't install correctly.

> I look forward to attach the appropriate tag to distinguish other
> OS partition as done in the slackware dist.
> It there a solution?
> 
> Thanks , in advance

Good luck!

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Re: Debian and Windoze 95

1998-01-13 Thread tko
Catalin Popescu writes:
> 
> A friend of mine has a hard-disk of 1.2Gb with 2 partions: /dev/hda1, 
> /dev/hda2.
> 
> On /dev/hda1 he has Win'95. Is there any problems with booting if I help 
> him to insatll Debian 1.3.1 on /dev/hda2 and try to boot it with loadlin.
> 

Actually, either method works fine (loadlin vs LILO). My two cents worth:
Be prepared to repair either method when Win95 goes _crash_ and you end up
reloading Win95. For loadlin, have a spare DOS floppy with loadlin.exe on it.
For LILO, have a bootable Linux floppy (created at installation time). After
reloading Win95, either copy over loadin.exe or reboot using the Linux floppy
and re-run LILO as the root account.
Best of luck!

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Re: [install] hdc irq timeout problem

1998-01-13 Thread tko
Ian writes:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> Thanks for replying so quickly.
> 
> As I said before, I'm a complete novice at Debian Linux. Once I'm set up
> it'll be a bit better as I have worked on a Unix box before.
> 
> System:
> Intel 233mmx
> 32Mb
> HD as Primary on 1st controller
> Pioneer DR-A24X CDrom as Pri on 2nd
> Hd as slave on 2nd
> 
> The cdrom is badged as a Pioneer (and shows up on boot as one) but loads
> gscdrom.sys so I presume it's got Goldstar connections somewhere.
> 
> On boot:
> 
> Loading root.bin..
> Loading Linux...
> hdc shows up as Pioneer
> Get past Color screen
> Get Release notes
> Get detecting hardware settings
> Then...
> 
> hdc: irq timeout: status=0x51
> hdc: irq timeout: error 0x20
[snip]

This looks like you are attempting to mount the drive without valid media
being present. Try placing a cdrom in the drive and reboot the system.


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Re: [install] hdc irq timeout problem

1998-01-13 Thread Mats Eriksson
Hi !

I had a similar problem frequently (can't remember the status and error figures
though) on my old 486 with an ide-cdrom of indeterminate brand, until I figured
out that the problem disappears completely if I push the reset button 
immediately
after powering on the computer.

/Mats Eriksson  ([EMAIL PROTECTED])


> Hi Tim,
> 
> Thanks for replying so quickly.
> 
> As I said before, I'm a complete novice at Debian Linux. Once I'm set up
> it'll be a bit better as I have worked on a Unix box before.
> 
> System:
> Intel 233mmx
> 32Mb
> HD as Primary on 1st controller
> Pioneer DR-A24X CDrom as Pri on 2nd
> Hd as slave on 2nd
> 
> The cdrom is badged as a Pioneer (and shows up on boot as one) but loads
> gscdrom.sys so I presume it's got Goldstar connections somewhere.
> 
> On boot:
> 
> Loading root.bin..
> Loading Linux...
> hdc shows up as Pioneer
> Get past Color screen
> Get Release notes
> Get detecting hardware settings
> Then...
> 
> hdc: irq timeout: status=0x51
> hdc: irq timeout: error 0x20
> hdc: irq timeout: status=0x51
> hdc: irq timeout: error 0x20
> hdc: irq timeout: status=0x51
> hdc: irq timeout: error 0x20
> hdc: irq timeout: status=0x51
> hdc: irq timeout: error 0x20
> hdc: irq timeout: status=0x51
> hdc: irq timeout: error 0x20
> hdc ATAPI reset complete
> hdc: irq timeout: status=0x51
> hdc: irq timeout: error 0x20
> hdc: irq timeout: status=0x51
> hdc: irq timeout: error 0x20
> hdc: irq timeout: status=0x51
> hdc: irq timeout: error 0x20
> hdc: irq timeout: status=0x51
> hdc: irq timeout: error 0x20
> hdc: irq timeout: status=0x51
> hdc: irq timeout: error 0x20
> hdc: irq timeout: error 0x20
> hdc ATAPI reset complete
> end_request: IO/error, dev 16:00, sector 0
> hdc: irq timeout: status=0x51
> hdc: irq timeout: status=0x51
> hdc: irq timeout: status=0x51
> hdc: irq timeout: status=0x51
> hdc ATAPI reset complete
> 
> 
> above 5 lines repeat ad infinitum
> 
> 
> Any ideas? Or places to go for help?
> 
> I found the archives and read about 3 months-worth, but can't find
> anything similar.
> 
> 
> 
> Ian
> 
> Reply to:
> ian.bambury
> @virgin.net


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Re: which pgp package for international?

1998-01-13 Thread jdassen
On Mon, Jan 12, 1998 at 06:21:40PM +0100, Alex de Joode wrote:
> We mirror ftp.de.debian.org/debian-non-us/

Please change your mirror settings then. The hostname "nonUS.debian.org" is
preferred, and the link is /debian-non-US, US in capitals. So, please use
ftp://nonUS.debian.org/debian-non-US/

Also, you appear to have mirror settings that cause ftp.replay.com not to
delete files that have been deleted on the original site. While that may be
appropriate for some of the sites you are mirroring, it is not preferable
for Debian, as it can confuse users.

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setting up xdm for runlevel 4

1998-01-13 Thread Shaleh
I would like to setup xdm so that it s started upon entering runlevel 4
and stopped when dropping back down to runlevel 3.  How does debian
handle xdm??


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Moving to libc6 X

1998-01-13 Thread Oleg Krivosheev

Hi, All

what is the best way to move from 
libc5 based X (3.3-4) to libc6 ?

Is there a particular order of upgrades?

I already have libc6-2.0.6 and related
stuff from hamm installed.

regards

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Help w/ PPP please please plase

1998-01-13 Thread jhillma2
Ok, I just installed the latest Debian install (everyone else I know
went RH5.0, but hey, I like to be different).  Anyway, I dl'd the
install from ftp, and now I want to install the packages, but I want to
do it with ftp.  So the way I see it I have to:

1) Initiate a ppp connection to my ISP
2) start dselect
3) select ftp as the method
4) select the packages I want
54) get them and install them

However, I can't seem to get PPP to work.  I've tried pppd, pon, ppp-on
(from some scripts I got off the net) and nothing seems to work.

pon was the closest, but it kept erroring out.  I know the problem is
with the way the ppp.chatscript was setup, but I don't know what the
format is (e.g., which lines tell it to wait for "foo" then send
"bar").  Could somebody please tell me the syntax for the lines in
ppp.chatscript?

Also, my ISP does PAP, so do I even need to use ppp.chatscript?  Is
there an easier way?  The ppp-howto and net2-howto are, IMO, vague at
best and do not necessarily coincide with the debian install (i.e., some

of the mentioned files are not there, so I had to create them).

Obviously, I'm a newb to linux, but hey...we all have to start
somewhere.

Many thanks for any assistance!

John Hillman


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