Re: logged out automatically because of excess idle time

[servis]

*-George Bonser (26 Jul)
| On Sun, 26 Jul 1998, Xiaonan Ma wrote:
| 
| > I tried both /proc//cmdline and "ps axw", still can't find idled.
| > Is it possible that some other process is doing it? Looks like it checks 
| > every 10 minutes since it logged out at time 13:30, 02:00 ...
| > 
| > regards
| > xiaonan
| > 
| 
| Ok, it might be your shell.  Bash, for example, has a variable called
| TMOUT. Do the following command and see if it returns anything (if you are
| using the bash shell):
| 
| echo $TMOUT
| 
| >From the bash manpage:
| 
| TMOUT  If  set  to a value greater than zero, the value is
|   interpreted as the number of seconds  to  wait  for
|   input  after issuing the primary prompt.  Bash ter
|   minates after waiting for that number of seconds if
|   input does not arrive.
| 


For tcsh shell the autologout variable controls the same thing.

And from the tcsh man page:

   autologout (+)
   The first word is the number of minutes  of  inac­
   tivity  before automatic logout. The optional sec­
   ond word is the number of  minutes  of  inactivity
   before automatic locking.  When the shell automat­
   ically logs out, it prints `auto-logout', sets the
   variable  logout  to  `automatic' and exits.  When
   the  shell  automatically  locks,  the   user   is
   required  to  enter his password to continue work­
   ing. Five incorrect attempts result  in  automatic
   logout.   Set  to  `60' (automatic logout after 60
   minutes, and no locking) by default in  login  and
   superuser  shells,  but not if the shell thinks it
   is running under a window system (i.e. the DISPLAY
   environment variable is set), the tty is a pseudo-
   tty (pty) or the shell was not  so  compiled  (see
   the version shell variable).  See also the afsuser
   and logout shell variables.

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shell programming question

[Keith]

I was wondering if someone could help me with this shell programming
language question. I am trying to remove some entries from a database
file.
Here is what the database file looks like:

Joe,Walsh,134 Mockingbird Way,New Orleans,LA,33456,(444)768-1287
Becky,Walsh,432 Rodeo Drive Apt C,Hollywood,CA,90312,(555)555-

Here is the function that I am using to remove one of the entries.
Instead of removing only one of the entries it removes both. It does 
this because I am removing the entries by lastname. SO if more than
one person has the same last name they will all be deleted instead
of just the one I want. I need to know if there is a way to modify
this script to delete entries by first and last name, not just the
last name.

Here is the script.

remove_records() {
  if [ -z "$lastname" ]; then
echo You must select an address first
find_ad n
  fi
  if [ -n "$lastname" ]; then
echo "You are about to delete $firstname $lastname"
get_confirm && {
  egrep -f "$firstname" "$lastname" $address_file > $temp_file
  mv $temp_file $address_file
  lastname=""
  echo Entry removed
}
get_return
  fi
  return
}

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Re: no pon!

[Martin Bialasinski]

>> "DP" == David Parmet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

DP> who is this pid 109 and what does it want with my life?

pid = Process ID

To check what prozess has ID 109 do a "ps ax|grep 109"

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Re: 2 Xsessions?, 2 graphics cards?

[Ian Eure]

On Tue, Jul 21, 1998 at 10:00:35AM +1000, Manfred Bartz wrote:
> 
> Stuart Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Is there some way to run more than one X session on my debian PC?
> > 
> > Ideally I would do something like run an 8-bit depth xdm session
> > that logged me into a remote sun computer and a second X session
> > that is 16-bit depth that is my local session.  If it requires a
> > second video card it is no problem.  I would then be able to switch
> > between the two sessions via ALT-F7, ALT-F8 or something.
> 
> If you have enough RAM you can do this:
> 
> Go to a text mode console, if in X use CTL-ALT-Fn to do that.  Fn is
> F6 on my system.
> 
> Start a second X-server with 
> startx -- :1 -pbb 8
> [stuff deleted]
a better way to do this might be to run an xdm server on the sun box, then start
your second (sun) X session with ``X :1 -bpp 8 -query sunbox'' - you will then
have to log into the sun machine from that X session, but it should behave
exactly as if you logged into the sun durectly, whereas the start xserver,
telnet and run commands is more cumbersome and can have problems with the X
authorization & DISPLAY environ variables. This way is much cleaner.

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Re: no pon!

[David Parmet]

ok.. i looked there and i found LCK..ttyS0 and LCK..ttyS1

should i rm them?


On Sun, 26 Jul 1998, George Bonser wrote:

> On Sun, 26 Jul 1998, David Parmet wrote:
> 
> > who is this pid 109 and what does it want with my life?
> > 
> 
> If there is no process with a pid of 109 running, you can have a look in
> /var/lock and see if you can find a stale lockfile in there.
> 
> 
> George Bonser
> 
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ppp change OK now

[Richard Sevenich]

Thanks to John Hasler and others. ppp is 'normal' again. A line was
needed in /etc/resolv.conf
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no pon!

[David Parmet]

When I type pon, nothing is happening.  I ran plog and got the message
that "Device ttyS1 is locked by pid 109"

ttyS1 was working fine for weeks.

who is this pid 109 and what does it want with my life?


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Printing problems

[Ian Lynagh]

Hi all!

I was wondering if anyone could help me resolve a printing prblem
I have got?

I have an HP LaserJet 4L. If I do
lpr textfile.txt
then it works fine. However, printing in lyx appears to work fine,
but nothing is printed  :-(

If I export the document first and then use dviprint, then this
happens:

I do this:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/p$ dviprint -Phplj4l xds.dvi
This is dvips(k) 5.78 Copyright 1998 Radical Eye Software
(www.radicaleye.com)
' TeX output 1998.07.26:2109' -> /tmp/00591aaa
. [1]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/p$ ls -l /tmp
total 0
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/p$

but still nothing prints  :-(

Here is my /etc/printcap:

#
# Copyright (c) 1983 Regents of the University of California.
# All rights reserved.
#
# Redistribution and use in source and binary forms are permitted
# provided that this notice is preserved and that due credit is given
# to the University of California at Berkeley. The name of the
University
# may not be used to endorse or promote products derived from this
# software without specific prior written permission. This software
# is provided ``as is'' without express or implied warranty.
#
#   @(#)etc.printcap5.2 (Berkeley) 5/5/88
#
# > This file was generated by /usr/sbin/magicfilterconfig. <
#
lp|lj|hplj4l|HP Laserjet 4L:\
:lp=/dev/lp1:sd=/var/spool/lpd/hplj4l:\
:sh:pw#80:pl#72:px#1440:mx#0:\
:if=/etc/magicfilter/ljet4l-filter:\
:af=/var/log/lp-acct:lf=/var/log/lp-errs:

Thanks in advance
Ian
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RE: logged out automatically because of excess idle time

[Frock]

I use these options for ps:

a   show processes of other users too
x   show processes without controlling terminal(this would be the 
specific
option, you're looking for)
u   user format: gives user name and start time


/Frock

> -Original Message-
> From: George Bonser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 26. juli 1998 22:53
> To: Eric
> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: logged out automatically because of excess idle time
>
>
> On Sun, 26 Jul 1998, Eric wrote:
>
> > I don't think that using ps would show you if idled is running
> or not.  At
> > least, on my hamm system, I can't find a way to use ps to show me _all_
> > processes (including daemons).  I always found this odd, since a
> > home-grown Linux system that I always use does show every process when
> > using 'ps aw' (even init).  You could take a look at all the
> > '/proc//cmdline's to see if it's running.
> >
>
> Try:
>
> ps ax
>
> or
>
> ps axw
>
>
>
> George Bonser
>
> Microsoft! Which end of the stick do you want today?
>
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Re: logged out automatically because of excess idle time

[Xiaonan Ma]

On Sun, 26 Jul 1998, George Bonser wrote:

> On Sun, 26 Jul 1998, Eric wrote:
> 
> > I don't think that using ps would show you if idled is running or not.  At
> > least, on my hamm system, I can't find a way to use ps to show me _all_
> > processes (including daemons).  I always found this odd, since a
> > home-grown Linux system that I always use does show every process when
> > using 'ps aw' (even init).  You could take a look at all the
> > '/proc//cmdline's to see if it's running.
> > 
> 
> Try:
> 
> ps ax
> 
> or
> 
> ps axw
> 

I tried both /proc//cmdline and "ps axw", still can't find idled.
Is it possible that some other process is doing it? Looks like it checks 
every 10 minutes since it logged out at time 13:30, 02:00 ...

regards
xiaonan



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Re: logged out automatically because of excess idle time

[Nathan E Norman]

On Sun, 26 Jul 1998, Eric wrote:

: I don't think that using ps would show you if idled is running or not.  At
: least, on my hamm system, I can't find a way to use ps to show me _all_
: processes (including daemons).  I always found this odd, since a
: home-grown Linux system that I always use does show every process when
: using 'ps aw' (even init).  You could take a look at all the
: '/proc//cmdline's to see if it's running.

`ps awx'

[ man ps ]
...
   ashow processes of other users too
...
   xshow processes without controlling terminal
...
   wwide  output:  don't truncate command lines to fit on
one line.  To be exact, every  w  that  is  specified
will  add another possible line to the output. If the
space isn't needed it isn't used. You may up  to  100
w's.
...

Straight from the man-page, typos and all :)

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Re: logged out automatically because of excess idle time

[Eric]

Ah, yes, just figured that out...silly me, those processes don't have
controlling terminals, so ya need 'x' in there.  Thanks.

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On Sun, 26 Jul 1998, George Bonser wrote:

> On Sun, 26 Jul 1998, Eric wrote:
> 
> > I don't think that using ps would show you if idled is running or not.  At
> > least, on my hamm system, I can't find a way to use ps to show me _all_
> > processes (including daemons).  I always found this odd, since a
> > home-grown Linux system that I always use does show every process when
> > using 'ps aw' (even init).  You could take a look at all the
> > '/proc//cmdline's to see if it's running.
> > 
> 
> Try:
> 
> ps ax
> 
> or
> 
> ps axw
> 
> 
> 
> George Bonser
> 
> Microsoft! Which end of the stick do you want today?
> 
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Re: ppp change?

[Michael B. Taylor]

I suggest you put "debug" into your /etc/ppp/peers/provider file so 
that the details of the negotiations get logged.

Mike


On Sun, Jul 26, 1998 at 09:28:06AM -0700, Richard Sevenich wrote:
> I just installed kernel 2.0.35 and have noticed a change in ppp behavior,
> if my memory serves me right.
> 
> I normally login as a user and start ppp by going su momentarily to issue
> command 'pon' and then exit back to user. This still works as usual.
> 
> However, if I log in as root and issue 'pon' the modem still dials, but
> the negotiations for the ppp link perhaps fail. I never get net access.
> 
> Is this an administrative change or has something gone astray in my
> recompile?
> 


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Re: logged out automatically because of excess idle time

[Eric]

I don't think that using ps would show you if idled is running or not.  At
least, on my hamm system, I can't find a way to use ps to show me _all_
processes (including daemons).  I always found this odd, since a
home-grown Linux system that I always use does show every process when
using 'ps aw' (even init).  You could take a look at all the
'/proc//cmdline's to see if it's running.

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|__/ |
 |__/ 

On Sun, 26 Jul 1998, Xiaonan Ma wrote:

> On Sun, 26 Jul 1998, George Bonser wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 26 Jul 1998, Xiaonan Ma wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > After updated the system, now when I logged in and started X, 
> > > the system always automatically logged me out saying "no keyboard
> > > touch for 63 minutes ...", even though I did work under X (looks like
> > > it only checked the tty which I logged in on). I checked
> > > /var/spool/cron/crontab but didn't find the reason. What should I 
> > > do to avoid this? 
> > > 
> > > Thanks.
> > > 
> > 
> > Are you running idled? If so, get rid of it or change the timeout.
> > 
> 
> Thanks for your help. But ps didn't show that there is an idled running.


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Re: lexmark printers

[David B. Teague]

On Sun, 26 Jul 1998, G. Crimp wrote:

>   There are some pretty good deals on Lexmark printers at my
> University.  They use PCL5 and PS emulation.  Anybody have any experience
> with Lexmark's emulation and Linux ?  I've heard that the emulation isn't
> perfect.  Since they don't support Linux, they are not likely to offer any
> solutions.  Any one come across any notable problems with the printer output
> ?

We use a Lexmark Optra RX+ networked. I have direct net access from my
Linux box, works good in either postscript mode or sending PCL or ascii
files to it. It also works well with direct parallel port connection.

I'll send the print cap and the other setings for the network connection
if you want.

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Re: logged out automatically because of excess idle time

[Xiaonan Ma]

On Sun, 26 Jul 1998, George Bonser wrote:

> On Sun, 26 Jul 1998, Xiaonan Ma wrote:
> 
> > 
> > After updated the system, now when I logged in and started X, 
> > the system always automatically logged me out saying "no keyboard
> > touch for 63 minutes ...", even though I did work under X (looks like
> > it only checked the tty which I logged in on). I checked
> > /var/spool/cron/crontab but didn't find the reason. What should I 
> > do to avoid this? 
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > 
> 
> Are you running idled? If so, get rid of it or change the timeout.
> 

Thanks for your help. But ps didn't show that there is an idled running.

regards
xiaonan


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Re: Win95 and Win98 can do it. Re: Question about screen size in X and questions about Netscape

[iAlexey Vyskubov]

On Sun, Jul 26, 1998 at 12:31:48PM -0700, Christopher Barry wrote:

> Netscape would automatically be maximised on screen. You don't need to
> cram 1024 points into 640, you just need the mode switching in X up to
> Windows 95 standards for God's sake so that it is intelligent enough to
> resize windows for you.

For God's sake Linux do not think it's clever than I.
When I change screen resoulution to 880x660 from 1024x768 I do it because I
want to see a part of my screen BIGGER, not because I like bigger screen dot, as
Winduze guess.

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Win95 and Win98 can do it. Re: Question about screen size in X and questions about Netscape

[Christopher Barry]

Alexey Vyskubov wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Jul 26, 1998 at 07:21:47PM +0200, Nico Fritschi wrote:
> > when i change my screen resolution to a lower one i always get a screen
> > which is not fixed, this means I can scroll it around and i can't see
> > the whole screen. Is it possible to change that?
> 
> What do you want to change?
> 
> You want to see the whole screen after changing resolution to lower one?
> No way. You cannot put e.g. 1024 points in 640 :)

When I was using Windows 95 I downloaded the "power toy" quickres and I
was able to switch between multiple color depths and resolutions on the
fly and all the windows would properly resize themselves. If I was using
1600x1200 and with Netscape maximised on screen and came to a web page
with a lot of fine print, I could just quickres to 1280x1024 and
Netscape would automatically be maximised on screen. You don't need to
cram 1024 points into 640, you just need the mode switching in X up to
Windows 95 standards for God's sake so that it is intelligent enough to
resize windows for you.




> 
> You want fixed screen after resolution change?
> Comment "Virtual" statements in /etc/X11/XF86Config.
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logged out automatically because of excess idle time

[Xiaonan Ma]

After updated the system, now when I logged in and started X, 
the system always automatically logged me out saying "no keyboard
touch for 63 minutes ...", even though I did work under X (looks like
it only checked the tty which I logged in on). I checked
/var/spool/cron/crontab but didn't find the reason. What should I 
do to avoid this? 

Thanks.

xiaonan


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Slink KDE doesn't start.

[Christopher Barry]

Hi all,

This is a bizarre problem. I have installed previous versions of KDE
error and hassle free and the other day I decided to grab KDE 1.0 from
Slink and the dpkg -i install went without errors and then I modified
/etc/X11/window-managers so that KDE would be the first to start and
when I typed 'startx' the screen switched over to a generic
no-window-manager-loaded-yet screen where there is just the little x in
the middle of the screen and the background is still that black and
white dotted pattern thing for a split second, and then X shuts down and
when I'm returned to the prompt the text left on screen is exactly the
same as if I had just run a normal session. There are no error messages
like "couldn't connect to xserver" or anything. If I start an X session
with olvwm or fvwm2 and then in an xterm type 'kde' I get error messages
about being unable to load shared object files but doing dpkg -S shows
that I have these files installed.

Thanks in advance for any help guys,
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RMON for linux?

[Gregory Guthrie]

We would like to create some LRP remote network traffic monitor boxes,
queryable via SNMP; i.e. RMON probes.

I thought I had once seen RMON for linux; but now cannot locate any such
information.

Hints?

Thanks.

Gregory Guthrie


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Re: Question about screen size in X and questions about Netscape

[Paulo José da Silva e Silva]

Nico Fritschi wrote:
> 
> My next question is about Netscape 4.05 . When i set up my mail and news
> server i always get the message "unknown host mail.gmx.de" or
> "news.gmx.de". I tried that on- and off-line but both did not work. Do I
> have to list them in a config file somewhere?
> 

Maybe you haven't already configured your DNS (domain name server). This
is the machine from your provider that resolves names for you. The
documentation you got from your provider must have it's IP number. 
You'll have to create a file in your /etc/ directory called
¨resolv.conf¨. There put the domain name of your provider and the IP
number of their DNS. Here goes my resolv.conf:


domain cce.usp.br
domain search
nameserver 143.107.253.3


> My last question is a bit off topic. I'm a newbie in the Linux world and
> would like to change totally from this toy os Windoze to Linux. On both
> systems I use Netscape 4.05 and i want to use my mail and news files in
> my mail and news directories which i got from Netscape (windows) in my
> linux Netscape. Momentarily a got a fat 16 partition which I mount and
> on which i got my mail and news files, so i changed the directory setup
> in Netscape (linux) to these dirs. But nothing happened. Has someone
> done this already and can help me?

Sorry can't help you there! :-)

Paulo.


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Re: Question about screen size in X and questions about Netscape

[Alexey Vyskubov]

On Sun, Jul 26, 1998 at 07:21:47PM +0200, Nico Fritschi wrote:
> when i change my screen resolution to a lower one i always get a screen
> which is not fixed, this means I can scroll it around and i can't see
> the whole screen. Is it possible to change that?

What do you want to change?

You want to see the whole screen after changing resolution to lower one?
No way. You cannot put e.g. 1024 points in 640 :)

You want fixed screen after resolution change?
Comment "Virtual" statements in /etc/X11/XF86Config.

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Re: Question about screen size in X and questions about Netscape

[Havoc Pennington]

On Sun, 26 Jul 1998, Nico Fritschi wrote:
> 
> when i change my screen resolution to a lower one i always get a screen
> which is not fixed, this means I can scroll it around and i can't see
> the whole screen. Is it possible to change that?
> 

The "virtual resolution" is always large enough to accomodate the highest
resolution you have in your XF86Config. If you want to reduce the virtual
resolution, you need to take the higher resolutions out of XF86Config.

Look for this part of the file:
   SubSection "Display"
  Depth16
  Modes"1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
   EndSubSection

You need to find the Section "Screen" corresponding to the driver you're
using, and then the SubSection "Display" corresponding to the depth you're
using. Then remove or comment out the modes you don't want.

I don't know the answer to the Netscape questions, maybe someone else
will.

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Question about screen size in X and questions about Netscape

[Nico Fritschi]

Hello,

when i change my screen resolution to a lower one i always get a screen
which is not fixed, this means I can scroll it around and i can't see
the whole screen. Is it possible to change that?

My next question is about Netscape 4.05 . When i set up my mail and news
server i always get the message "unknown host mail.gmx.de" or
"news.gmx.de". I tried that on- and off-line but both did not work. Do I
have to list them in a config file somewhere? 

My last question is a bit off topic. I'm a newbie in the Linux world and
would like to change totally from this toy os Windoze to Linux. On both
systems I use Netscape 4.05 and i want to use my mail and news files in
my mail and news directories which i got from Netscape (windows) in my
linux Netscape. Momentarily a got a fat 16 partition which I mount and
on which i got my mail and news files, so i changed the directory setup
in Netscape (linux) to these dirs. But nothing happened. Has someone
done this already and can help me?

Any help would be appreciated. 

Thanks in advance.

Nico


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lexmark printers

[G. Crimp]

There are some pretty good deals on Lexmark printers at my
University.  They use PCL5 and PS emulation.  Anybody have any experience
with Lexmark's emulation and Linux ?  I've heard that the emulation isn't
perfect.  Since they don't support Linux, they are not likely to offer any
solutions.  Any one come across any notable problems with the printer output
?

Thanks,

Gerald Crimp


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srwxrwxrwx & prwxrwxrwx

[G. Crimp]

I'm transferring an existing Debian installation from an small disk
to a new big one.  I used tar to move all the files over.  For the most part
all the permissions and other attributes were preserved, but a few were not. 
Most notably all sockets were made into pipes in /dev and in /var/run.  Does
this matter ? If so, any ideas how to change them back to srwxrwxrwx ?

Thanks,

Gerald Crimp


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ppp change?

[Richard Sevenich]

I just installed kernel 2.0.35 and have noticed a change in ppp behavior,
if my memory serves me right.

I normally login as a user and start ppp by going su momentarily to issue
command 'pon' and then exit back to user. This still works as usual.

However, if I log in as root and issue 'pon' the modem still dials, but
the negotiations for the ppp link perhaps fail. I never get net access.

Is this an administrative change or has something gone astray in my
recompile?

TIA, Richard


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Re: Diald problem

[robbie]

Hi,
On Sun, Jul 26, 1998 at 10:43:56AM +0800, Jieyao wrote:
> 
> I am having some problem with diald. Iam using it with ppp and ip masquerade.
> I have an internal network which I assign the standard 192.168.0.x This  is 
> working fine. The modem is connected to the linux box. If I don't use diald, 
> pppd works fine and I am able to go out using ip masquerade, no problem.
> 
> Now, the problem start when I add diald. When it dial out, it some how does 
> not change the default route from pointing at sl0 to ppp0 so the network 
> can't 
> go out. So what I do is at the ip-up and ip-down scripts I manually delete 
> the 
> default sl0 before ppp is up and add default sl0 when ppp is down. This makes 
> it work. But am I doing it correctly? I thought diald is supposed to handle 
> all 
> this rerouting??
Yes, it is.

Do you have defaultroute in your diald.options file? Below is my
diald.options.
connect-timeout 200
fifo /etc/diald/diald.ctl
redial-timeout 5
ip-down /etc/diald/ip-down
ip-up /etc/diald/ip-up
accounting-log /var/log/diald.log
mode ppp
crtscts
modem
lock
device /dev/ttyS2
speed 115200
local 194.222.63.202
remote 158.152.1.222
pppd-options 194.222.63.202:158.152.1.222
defaultroute
connect /etc/diald/connect
include /etc/diald/standard.filter


> 
> TIA
> 
> 
Regards
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Suspect daily,weekly cron causing hangs

[Martin Weinberg]

Folks,

I have a Beowulf-type Debian-based cluster of 16 dual
PII 333Mhz boxes (Asus P2L97-DS) Debian 1.3.1.

They run hard, often under full load with high network
traffic for days or not weeks.  The current application
is an MPI application using a master-slave paradigm.

I've noticed that the "master" machine often hangs just
after daily or weekly crons.  In fact, 6:48 or a bit later
is a very popular hang time.  Hangs on Sunday are the most
popular (much to my chagrin!).  The fact that the master
hangs preferentially correlates with high network traffic.
At first, I disabled (dpkg -r) xntp3 which seemed to be
an obvious culprit but I'm still getting occasional hangs.

Any thoughts?  I suppose I could just disable these 
crons altogether but I'd like to see if any of you have 
run across this sort of problem first.

--M

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RE: Debian mirror

[Frock]

Take a look at http://www.debian.org/distrib/ftplist


/Frock


> -Original Message-
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> Shtinkov
> Sent: 26. juli 1998 17:24
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Debian mirror
> 
> 
> Please tell me where I can find mirror of Debian Web site, which is
> accessible using ftp ?
> 
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Re: Debian mirror

[Nathan E Norman]

On Sun, 26 Jul 1998, Peter Shtinkov wrote:

: Please tell me where I can find mirror of Debian Web site, which is
: accessible using ftp ?

The web site can be mnirrored from debian.crosslink.net, directories
/www/debian.org and /www/debian.org-local

See http://www.debian.org/devel/mirror for further details.

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Debian mirror

[Peter Shtinkov]

Please tell me where I can find mirror of Debian Web site, which is
accessible using ftp ?


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IDE tape

[john]

I have a client who is running Debian 1.3.1 on a pentium box with a Seagate
STT8000A tape drive and IDE disk and CDROM.  I have been assured that the
tape is installed as a slave drive on the same controller as the IDE disk,
and is jumpered properly.  Debian was "installed" for him by the hardware
vendor, who apparently just installed base, answering "no" to all
questions.  I built a new 2.0.33 kernel with ide tape support and had him
install it (I'm doing all this by telephone and snail mail).  He sees ide
tape mentioned in the boot messages now, but says that he can't get the
tape to do anything.  He's tried running his 'Lonetar' tape software, and
also tried 'cat /dev/ht0'.  I got him trying a few more things now.  I had
him run 'MAKEDEV ht0' and 'MAKEDEV nht0': no help.

He tells me that he does get a reaction from the tape when he prods
/dev/rft3, but that lonetar won't accept rft3 as a device.

Can someone who has had experience with IDE tape and/or the STT8000A give
me some advice?
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mailing list

[bell]

Hi 
Just wanted to let u know that I have Bero-List installed on my server
but there seems to be a problem with subscription,I would like to know if it is 
a bug or just me?
The problem is as follow:
If somebody is already a member of the mailinglist and by mistake tries to
subscribe again, he is getting a message every hour saying "you are already
subscribe to the list".

I have look at different setting nothing seems to work.


Can U please let me know if Iam doing something wrong, or to change a setting.




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Re: module missing

[Greg Norris]

The net-pf-5 request is for the appletalk protocol.  If you're not using
that, add "alias net-pf-5 off" to /etc/conf.modules.  I'm afraid I don't
know what char-major-10 refers to, but the same trick ought to work for
that as well... 

On Sun, Jul 26, 1998 at 10:43:55AM +0800, Jieyao wrote:
> When I start up I get the following
> 
> net-pf-5 missing
> char-major-10 missing
> 
> This happens after hda2 and hda3 are mounted..
> 
> The error also appears in the syslog now and then. What am I missing?


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Re: any risk in using /home/root

[Torsten Hilbrich]

On: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 10:43:55 +0800 Jieyao  writes:
> 
> I have one partition which I had mounted as /home.  I figured that
> since this is gonna store user information and files, I might as
> well put the root home there too.  So I created /home/root and
> change /root to a symbolic link to /home/root Is there any security
> risk in doing this?
> 
> One problem that I can think of is if there is any serious problem
> and the other partition can't mount than probably root can
 ^^^
> login. This is correct?

I assume you meant "can't" here ;-)

If the home directory of some user don't exists, it is automatically
logged on with HOME=/ (I just tried it with root).  The only problem
would be the unusual environment if you used to define some helpful
aliases and shell functions.  But a sysadmin should be able to work
without these.

A bigger problem would be a shell that lies on a separate partition
(such as /usr), this is the only reason I still use /bin/bash as login
shell for root (otherwise /usr/bin/zsh would be my favorite).

I can't see any other problem with the root's home directory on a
separate partition, if you used the correct file and directory
permissions.  

Torsten


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Re: StarOffice4 and libc6/5

[Torsten Hilbrich]

On: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 12:26:53 -0700 tony mollica writes:
> 
> Hi.
> Has anyone successfully run SO4sp3 on a
> hamm system with the libc5 package installed?

It works well for me.  You just need to install some X11-related
libraries from oldlibs, I thing xlib6 and xpm4.7 should be sufficient
for running SO4.

> Also, can anyone offer a short explanation (or where to find it) of
> the utmp problem and how to avoid it if this is an issue trying to
> run StarOffice 4.?

It's not an issue for running SO.  The utmp/wtmp problem means, that
the format for these databases changed from the old libc5 (the one in
bo) to the libc6 (and the libc5 version of hamm).  That means, if you
update from bo to hamm you'll need to wipeout those files and let them
recreate.

For more information regarding the changes, look into the libc5->libc6
mini HOWTO.  I found the following location:

http://www.gate.net/~storm/FAQ/libc5-libc6-Mini-HOWTO.html

in my records, but there should be one somewhere at www.debian.org
too.

For information regarding the database itself consult "man 5 utmp".

Torsten


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Re: module missing

[Torsten Hilbrich]

On: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 10:43:55 +0800 Jieyao  writes:
> 
> When I start up I get the following
> net-pf-5 missing
> char-major-10 missing
> 
> This happens after hda2 and hda3 are mounted..
> 
> The error also appears in the syslog now and then. What am I
> missing?

If your system is working correctly otherwise, it is safe to put the
following lines into your /etc/conf.modules file:

alias net-pf-5 off
alias char-major-10 off

For the meaning of these lines and some other helpful information
please consult the /usr/src/linux/Documentation/modules.txt file.

Torsten


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Re: boot-floppies

[Bob Nielsen]

On Sat, 25 Jul 1998, Robert Rati wrote:

> I installed the package boot-floppies so I would be able to create the
> boot floppies to have as backup.  I cannot find the scripts that this
> package installed though.  Does anyone know where they are?  And, as a
> related question, does anyone know how to tell what debian packages
> install which files after they've been installed (via dslect or something
> like that) and the .deb file has been deleted?

dpkg -L  will tell you all the files (including path) which
have been installed by a package (but not any which were created by
scripts).

dpkg -s  will tell you which package installed a file.

Bob


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Re: iomega/lp woes

[Marcus Brinkmann]

On Sat, Jul 25, 1998 at 01:06:54PM -0400, Shaleh wrote:
> Hi Richard.  I own a parport drive as well.  The current linux kernels
> do not support having both the drive and the printer working at the same
> time.  This is being worked on however.

I have good experiences with 2.1.106. Both, the Zip and the printer can be
accessed simultanousley (!). And the Zip drive is *much* faster than with
older kernels. Really, much much faster. Probably try a development kernel
as well.

Marcus

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Re: home network w/win'98 & Debian

[Martin Schulze]

Jesus Duran writes:
> 
> Greetings all,
> 
> 
> i'll try to keep this as short was possible
> i need someone to point me somewhere where i can find info on
> networking.such as setup and protocols, hardware etc...

Have you ever heard of the NAG?  Network administrators guide written
by Olaf Kirch?  It's one of hte first LDP documents that nowadays is
available in printed form, too.  Published by O'Reillys iirc.

> here's the setupi have 6 computers and would like to setup a linux box
> for internet access, printing, email (not that hard...i have read the
> FAQ's and am eager to start..)
> here's my question(s)...

> i also want to set up a windows box to serve the slower win boxes that do
> not have alot of HD space.

Why not installing Samba on the Linux machine?  That would be easier to
maintaine and faster.

> to access them both by about 3 different computersshould i use hubs???

6 machines?  That normaly can be handle by 10Base2.  If you want to make
it failsafe, use a HUB, of course, $100 for an 8 port hub, so that's no
cost.

> if so how??? what kind of networking cards/cable  should i use??? for
> win98???
> for debian???

Doh, you're lacking basic networking knowledge.

10Base2 = Coax cable = Coax cable with BNC connnectors
10BaseT = UTP = Unshielded Twisted Pair = TP cable with RJ45 connectors.

Regards,

Joey

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Strange happenings

[Richard L. Alhama]

I've had some problems with wmaker from slink and icewm(hamm) too.

It goes like this:

When I try to load a large image from netscape (3.04) my screen would go
blank for a while then goes back to it's normal state.  When I make
Afterstep or fvwm2 as the startup window-manager I don't get this.  It
only happens when I make wmaker and icewm the default wm on
/etc/X11/window-managers.

If anyone has also experienced it please let me know.  To be sure I'm not
alone with this.

Is this a Mandelbug? or what?

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Re: who ?

[Gregory Green]

Thanks! The "w" command does what I need!

Gregory Green

George Bonser wrote:

> On Sat, 25 Jul 1998, Art Lemasters wrote:
>
> > to wipe and reinstall shellutils.  It _is_ a base package, and
> > reinstalling anything for shells makes me nervous, so far.
> > ...just a tiny bit of info. above (shellutils).  who works just
> > fine, here.
> >
>
> My problem with who is that it seems to "remember" people who logged out
> long ago. w seems to be a lot more accurate in showing me who is really on
> the system.
>
> To give an example:
>
> 16:16:47 ~ # w
>   6:49pm  up 28 days,  8:52,  9 users,  load average: 0.27, 0.48, 0.33
> USER TTY  FROM  LOGIN@   IDLE   JCPU   PCPU  WHAT
> root tty1  27Jun98 28days  0.45s  0.45s
> bash
> root tty2  27Jun98 16days  0.59s  0.59s
> bash
> grep ttyp0madrone.shorelin  1:46pm  4.00s 16:22   9.90s  pine
> grep ttyp2madrone.shorelin  4:15pm  0.00s  0.86s  0.06s  w
> 18:49:41 ~ # who
> root tty1 Jun 27 10:01
> root tty2 Jun 27 10:24
> grep ttyp0Jul 25 13:46 (madrone.shorelink.com)
> grep ttyp1Jul 13 22:23 (madrone.shorelink.com)
> grep ttyp2Jul 25 16:15 (madrone.shorelink.com)
> grep ttyp3Jul 16 21:46 (madrone.shorelink.com)
> grep ttyp4Jul 25 17:12 (madrone:0.0)
> grep ttyp5Jul 22 01:09 (madrone:0.0)
> grep ttyp6Jul 18 17:50 (madrone:0.0)
> 18:49:44 ~ #
>
> w in this case reports accurately.
>
> George Bonser
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Apt vs deselect question

[RUSSELL COOK]

Hello All,
I have a question regarding the use of apt-get upgrade or apt-get 
dist-upgrade to keep my system current.  When I issue apt-get upgrade, I get a 
message that 90 packages were help back, and it fetches nothing.
If I then dpkg -l (list) any of the held packages, then apt-get install 
that package (it will install if explicitly told to) then dpkg -l that package 
again, I can see that it has been upgraded to a higher version.
Why is apt-get holding these packages, when newer versions exist?
When I issued apt-get install package-name, it told me that held package 
package-name versionxx.x is being replaced with package-namexx.y.
Is this behaviour a consequence of also using apt with deselect?  Is 
the deselect selection criteria overriding the apt-get dist-upgrade function?
My sources.list file reads:
deb http://ftp1.us.debian.org/debian slink main contrib non-free
deb http://ftp1.us.debian.org/debian hamm main contrib non-free
I don't want to have to explicity tell deselect to upgrade every 
package - that's what I thought apt-get was best at.
Please help.

Thanks.
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Re: Installing to a Harddrive other than C:

[Oliver Elphick]

DMDP wrote:
  >I have been reading your installation information and I cannot find
  >anything that tells me how to install Debian to an E:\ drive for example
  >and use a DOS bootup menu to access it.
  >
  >How should I go about setting this up?
  >
  >The installation guide recommends installing on C:, but I REALLY don't
  >want to do that.

If you have an existing drive that you address from DOS as E:, you do not
want to install Linux on it, because its current contents will be
destroyed (unless you use it for a umsdos filesystem, which is not an
ideal solution).

To install Linux you need some space on your hard drive which is not
allocated to DOS.  If you can delete an existing partition, do so; otherwise
you may need to install an extra hard disk.

The space you use for Linux will need to be split into at least two
partitions; one of these will be a swap partition, that acts as an
overflow for your RAM memory; the other will be where your Linux
filesystem will be created.  The filesystem space can be further
subdivided if you consider this necessary. (Don't worry about it for
now.)  The swap partition needs to be adequate to meet (together with the
RAM) all likely memory demands; about three times your RAM size should
be enough unless you have very little RAM.


You can boot Linux with the DOS program, LOADLIN; or you can set up LILO
which will act as a boot manager and allow you to choose which O/S to
run each time you boot.  If you use LOADLIN, it would be best to install
this program on your C: drive, but not the whole of Linux, of course.
The standard installation program offers to install LILO.
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Re: fetchmail not fetching

[Clint Adams]

> fetchmail: 1 message at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> reading message 1 (1772 bytes) .fetchmail: SMTP connect to (null) failed

See if this gives you better results:

fetchmail -S localhost


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Re: exmh configuration.

[Clint Adams]

> Question: How to change exmh configuration so that it will let smail do what 
> I 
> want ? That is, how to prevent exmh from disturbing smail to set the From: 
> header the way I want it to be ?

You want to change this in nmh or MH (whichever you're using), not in EXMH.


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Re: boot-floppies

[Remco van de Meent]

On Sat, 25 Jul 1998, Robert Rati wrote:

 : [...]
 : And, as a related question, does anyone know how to tell what debian
 : packages install which files after they've been installed (via dslect or
 : something like that) and the .deb file has been deleted?

`dpkg -L ` will give you a list of files belonging to
.

 -Remco


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Re: Dtime of Inodes

[Hamish Moffatt]

On Sat, Jul 25, 1998 at 07:10:03PM -0700, Alexander wrote:
> A deleted inode seems to have zero dtime sometimes when the machine is not
> shut down normally. (i.e., power failure, system crash, nuclear
> accident...)

I tend to get them when the check is forced (due to 30 unchecked mounts),
without any abnormal shutdowns. I don't know why.


Hamish
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Re: Year 2000 compliance

[Hamish Moffatt]

On Sat, Jul 25, 1998 at 09:17:51PM -0700, Alexander wrote:
> Any and all UNIX systems are fully Y2K compliant, as long as the hardware

I think this statement is naive. Although the kernel may represent
all time values as time_t, you cannot guarantee that all applications
do, and since there are rather a lot of them you can assume that
there are some which use other mechanisms. Anything that stores a string,
for example.

So Unix is by no means automatically Y2K-proof. Do you disagree?


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Re: ADDUSER AND >8 Usernames?

[Alexander]

Hi...

Just make sure that you have no other users with the same first 8
characters in their username!! (but of course you know this ;)

Alex

On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, Joey Hess wrote:

> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:14:55 -0700
> From: Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: Debian Userslist 
> Subject: Re: ADDUSER AND >8 Usernames?
> 
> Alexander wrote:
> > A hack like that may also mess up certain programs that expect a username
> > no longer than 8 characters. It's presumably possible, though.
> 
> FWIW, I've had a user on my system with a username of 9 characters for a
> long while with no problems. Some programs truncate the username to 8, but
> it works ok.
> 
> -- 
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Re: ppp connection speed

[Alexander]

Hi...

The local2 syslog facility. Debian normally saves this to
/var/log/ppp.log, and /var/log/syslog, besides all the others
(/var/log/messages?).

Alex

On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, the lone gunman wrote:

> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 20:39:31 -0500
> From: the lone gunman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Matt Garman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Debian/GNU User's List 
> Subject: ppp connection speed
> Resent-Date: 22 Jul 1998 01:39:34 -
> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org
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> 
> 
> Where would I look to find out what speed my modem connects when I use
> ppp?
> 
> Thanks!
> Matt
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Re: Valid Baud Rate Values

[Alexander]

Hi...

And of course 8250 is unspeakable. :)

Actually 115200 should work on plain 16550.

Alex

On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, Bob Nielsen wrote:

> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:12:38 -0700 (MST)
> From: Bob Nielsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: PATRICK DAHIROC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Valid Baud Rate Values
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> On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, PATRICK DAHIROC wrote:
> 
> > hi
> > 
> > i tried downloading hamm files to upgrade from bo.  i noticed that the ftp
> > connection was very slow and found out that i was connected at 9600.  i
> > changed the speed to 115200 in the ppp.options file.  is 11520 the fastest
> > transfer rate that ppp can support or are there greater values?  i have a
> > 28.8 modem, what would be the optimal value it?  exactly what does this
> > values signify?
> 
> You want to set the serial port rate somewhat higher than the modem rate,
> as compression in the modem will help in many cases.  A 16550A UART will
> operate fine at 115200.  57600 should be fast enough for a 28800 modem
> also.   If you have a 16450 UART, you will probably not get better than
> 19200 without errors (sometimes even 9600 can give errors with these).
> 
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Re: is the kernel worth it, what about Debian 2.0?

[Alexander]

Hi...

I'm still running 2.0.33. The only thing noticeable in 2.0.34 was the
nestea patch, which I'm already protected against (somehow). Then again...

Are the Phrack 52 article 06 patches effective against 2.0.35?

Alex

On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, Shaleh wrote:

> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:17:07 -0400
> From: Shaleh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Keith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: Debian Debian User List 
> Subject: Re: is the kernel worth it, what about Debian 2.0?
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> Debian 2.0pre CD's can be had from cheapbytes.com.  The release of 2.0
> has been stalled by a recent change in X.  This should be fixed in short
> time and we should have a release REALLY SOON.
> 
> 2.0.35 has various updates for non-Intel CPU's.  Other little fixes.  I
> would recommend at least going to 2.0.34.  Grab the kernel source from
> ftp.kernel.org and use the debian kernel packager.  It makes kernel
> compiling a cinch.  I recommend againt patching from one kernel ver to
> thre next.  Something always seems to be messed up.
> 
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home network w/win'98 & Debian

[Jesus Duran]

Greetings all,


i'll try to keep this as short was possible
i need someone to point me somewhere where i can find info on
networking.such as setup and protocols, hardware etc...
its for a home network..and i think its a great way to introduce 4
kids to linux (before they're completely windoze brainwashed...)


here's the setupi have 6 computers and would like to setup a linux box
for internet access, printing, email (not that hard...i have read the
FAQ's and am eager to start..)
here's my question(s)...

i also want to set up a windows box to serve the slower win boxes that do
not have alot of HD space.


how should i go about this???  i have hardly any network experience but
will read to find out 

so basically i will have two serversand need
to access them both by about 3 different computersshould i use hubs???
if so how??? what kind of networking cards/cable  should i use??? for
win98???
for debian???

i would appreciate any type of direction ( dont have lots of $$$ so i'd
like to become informed before investing any ) 

feel free to reply to me directly, since it is not STRICTLY debian
related.but i knew not of where to turn..

jd?


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Re: is the kernel worth it, what about Debian 2.0?

[Alexander]

Hi...

I'm not quite sure what the advantages to 2.0.35 are. I can say that
upgading to Debian 2.0 (`hamm') is extremely well worth it and you
probably shouldn't spend another minute with that insecure box of yours.
:P

Alex

On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, Keith wrote:

> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:06:21 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Keith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Debian Debian User List 
> Subject: is the kernel worth it, what about Debian 2.0?
> Resent-Date: 21 Jul 1998 21:08:43 -
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> Is is worth it get the 2.0.35 kernel? Are there any advantaged to getting it?
> 
> What about Debian 2.0? WHen is that going to come out and what are the
> advantages to using that. The reason I ask is because my system works
> fine now and i don't want to mess with it just for the sake of messing 
> with it.
> 
> If I wanted to go to 2.0.35 could I install a patch that will get me  
> there or do I have to completly recompile, not that is a big deal.
> Same with Debian 2.0
> 
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Re: LPRng & printer Port

[Alexander]

Hi...

Not only slimmer and faster, but will probably also support some
interesting hardware the generic kernel image cannot. (most notably, sound
support)

Alex

On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, Shaleh wrote:

> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:49:28 -0400
> From: Shaleh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Jorge Sousa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: LPRng & printer Port
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> Jorge Sousa wrote:
> > Sorry to jump in but,
> > I'm glad you raised that issue, how can we know what's in the kernel??
> 
> Hmmm.  Good question.  The default kernel w/ Debian includes
> everything.  Otherwise, compile your own.  Then you know what is and is
> not included.  Besides, compiling your own kernel gives you a slimmer
> kernel (usually) and thus is faster.
> 
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Re: Valid Baud Rate Values

[Alexander]

Hi...

For a typical serial port or internal modem, 115200 is the fastest you can
go. However, if your serial port supports it, you should be able to go
faster.

The value signifies how fast your computer is connected to your modem.
(it's a stupid modem limitation based on the fact that modems run on
serial ports, and internal modems just emulate external modems and add an
extra serial port, creating a bottleneck but that's really nothing
compared to the modem itself) I guess connecting at 33600 to a 28.8 modem
would do you no more good than 115200, but you never know, and if your
serial port and modem support it, 115200 can't hurt. As long as it'll
connect, you might as well leave it at that.

Alex

On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, PATRICK DAHIROC wrote:

> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:16:03 -0400 (EDT)
> From: PATRICK DAHIROC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Valid Baud Rate Values
> Resent-Date: 21 Jul 1998 21:16:24 -
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> 
> hi
> 
> i tried downloading hamm files to upgrade from bo.  i noticed that the ftp
> connection was very slow and found out that i was connected at 9600.  i
> changed the speed to 115200 in the ppp.options file.  is 11520 the fastest
> transfer rate that ppp can support or are there greater values?  i have a
> 28.8 modem, what would be the optimal value it?  exactly what does this
> values signify?
> 
> thanks a lot
> patrick
> 
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Re: LPRng & printer Port

[Alexander]

Hi...

Um, check the kernel configs. `make menuconfig' for a pretty and intuitive
interface, or `make config' if you feel like wasting time or don't have
ncurses installed.

Of course, if you compiled printer support as a module you can find out
what modules are loaded by typing `lsmod'. Typing `modprobe -a \*' will
load all available modules.

Alex

On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, Jorge Sousa wrote:

> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 21:45:13 +0100
> From: Jorge Sousa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: LPRng & printer Port
> Resent-Date: 21 Jul 1998 20:45:31 -
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> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Shaleh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Babs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org 
> Date: Terça-feira, 21 de Julho de 1998 21:09
> Subject: Re: LPRng & printer Port
> 
> 
> >Not to ask the simple question but. Does your kernel have lpt
> >support in it?
> >
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> 
> Sorry to jump in but,
> I'm glad you raised that issue, how can we know what's in the kernel??
> 
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Re: LPRng & printer Port

[Alexander]

Hi...

Umm, can you write to the printer port directly?

i.e.: cat /etc/passwd > /dev/lp1 (prints userlist on the printer, without
passwords if you have shadows installed; if you don't it isn't recommended
you print this particular file ;)

Alex

On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, Babs wrote:

> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:07:16 +0100
> From: Babs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: LPRng & printer Port
> Resent-Date: 21 Jul 1998 20:03:43 -
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> HELP!
> 
>   I have read every doc i can get my hands on, news groups, & more. I can
> not figure out why my printer port is not opening.
>   I'm running an X86 based PC, Debian Linux Kernel 2.0.34, I am in the
> process of integrating the internal network at our office. I'm still fairly
> new to linux been running it for about 5 months or so. Still have lots to
> learn. 
>   I have Netatalk and Samba Running and configured properly. At one point 
> i
> did have LPRng Suite working properly as well. Crashed the system and had
> to do a complete reinstall. From that point on i have not been able to get
> the printer port to open, no matter what i do. Does anyone have any ideas
> for me. If i can get the port open i can work on filters later.
> 
> HELP!
> Thanks 
> Babs
> 
> Thanks,
> Babs, Your Got.Net PC Tech...
> http://we.got.net
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Re: dselect questions, suggestion..

[Alexander]

Hi...

Your first suggestion? You mean like having the file sizes in the Packages
file you download for the package listings? Yeah, that'd be nice. ;)

Your second suggestion's already implemented in dselect. Press Shift-R if
you select a package that has lots of dependency/conflict problems that
you don't want to deal with.

Alex

On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, Gregory Guthrie wrote:

> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:15:39 -0500
> From: Gregory Guthrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: dselect questions, suggestion..
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> When running dselect (updating bo --> hamm), I get some items with a status of
>installed_version   available_version
>- - - xxx xxx
> 
> Why is there an installed version indicated, when it shows as not installed?
> 
> -- It would be nice if
> 
> 1) dselect would estimate the size of a package for a selection criteria;
> 
> 2) if it shows a big list of dependency problems, you could just say
> "forget it",
>i.e. upt not for the package.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
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Re: Questions from a new user [forwarded]

[Alexander]

Hi...

Libc5 and libc6 is the conflict. These are the Linux C library and GNU C
library, respectively. Either or both can be used on a system, but one of
them is required; these libraries drive most Linux systems. Using version
6 (or the GNU C Library, version 2) is recommended; it's more secure and
stable. However, despite some interesting little problem in Debian's
packaging, libc5 and libc6 could not be installed concurrently. Despite
that, these packages DO work together, if you follow the upgrade
instructions. For now, though, just write some floppies from the hamm
distribution (ftp.cdrom.com://pub/linux/debian/ has it and is quite fast)
and install hamm clean. (hamm is debian 2.0 by the way) It should work
without even having to install libc5. Using apt-get will not solve this
problem. Good luck.

By the way, installing hamm clean shouldn't break your system.

Alex

On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, Oliver Elphick wrote:

> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:19:35 +0100
> From: Oliver Elphick 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Questions from a new user [forwarded]
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> I have given Kent more information about the mailing lists and web pages;
> please consider his other questions.
> 
> --- Forwarded Message
> 
> Date:Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:48:58 -0500
> From:Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Meta & Newbie FAQ (Debian)
> 
> Hi!
>  I assume I'm sending this to the right person (it's the only mail link I
> saw on the "Submit your answers and corrections" page of the Debian Linux
> Meta & Newbie questions web page at http://www.debian.org/fom/15.html).
> 
> First: I understand your reference to 42 as being the ultimate answer; it's
> a reference I often use when interviewing prospective employees, just as
> kind of a minor personality test. It was humorous to see it on the web page.
> 
> Second: I recently did a clean install of Debian 2.0.34 (not an upgrade),
> mistakenly believing this to be the current stable release. I've since
> become convinced that Deb2.x ("hamm") is still the unstable version.
> Nevertheless, I'd like to stick with it, since the comments I've read on
> the web seem to indicate that it's got some nice features.
> 
> I've reinstalled several times, and everytime I run dselect something
> breaks and I wind up getting frustrated and wiping the drive and starting
> over. Recently I found some clues to my problem; apparently Deb2 uses a
> library version 6, whereas Deb < 2 uses a library version 5, and the two
> don't get along.
> 
> I've found some instructions (which are really above my head) for upgrading
> from <2 to 2, but I'm not doing an upgrade; I'm doing a clean (new)
> install. Do I still need to follow these instructions for upgrading
> (running autoup.sh, etc), or does my clean install already have all the
> upgrade stuff in place?
> 
> If my box has all the upgrade stuff in place, did the base install not
> install the man program? (man doesn't work on my box.)
> 
> If I try to run dselect (via FTP over direct ethernet connection), I "know"
> my system will break again. I've read references to apt-get as being a
> replacement for dselect, but I can't find much information on it. I did
> find a place that I thought allowed me to download apt-get, but once I got
> it on my box, I tried running it like the web page said, but my box
> reported "command not found"; I then chmod'd the file to 777 so I had full
> permissions, but again, "command not found". Did I not download apt-get, or
> am I doing something wrong? Will it allow me to get the man command, X
> Windows, etc, without breaking things, or am I just as well off with dselect?
> 
> Third: Why doesn't the less command work? It reports "bash: less: command
> not found".
> 
> Fourth: How do I set up my Debian 2.x system so I can telnet into it from
> other computers?
> 
> Again, if I've sent this to the wrong person, or if my answers are in the
> documentation and I just haven't found it (I've looked for two days, so if
> it is in the docs, maybe it's not easily found or understood for newbies),
> I apologize. If I have sent this to the right person, thank you for
> considering the questions.
> 
> 
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Re: memtest

[Alexander]

Hi...

Uh, then it isn't a reliable memory test, is it?

Heh, I guess that's what the BIOS memory test is for!

Alex

On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, E.L. Meijer (Eric) wrote:

> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:16:38 +0200 (MET DST)
> From: "E.L. Meijer (Eric)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: debian 
> Subject: Re: memtest
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> > 
> > Gary L. Hennigan wrote:
> > > 
> > > Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > | I want to test my 256megs but can't figure out arguments.  Can anyeone
> > > | tell me the proper command line arguments to run the memtest?
> > > 
> > > Oops! Right after I sent that first reply I noticed my error. I used
> > > bytes instead of bits. That calculation should've been:
> > > 
> > > ((256*1024^2)*8)/32 = 67108864
> > > 
> > > memtest 67108864 
> > > 
> > > where  = the number of iterations you want to perform should do the
> > > trick.
> > > 
> > > Sorry for the mistake in the first message.
> > > 
> > > Gary
> > 
> > what would happen if I use a number bigger than your, e.g. 67108865 or
> > even 7000?
> 
> Swapping.  This will happen already if you use an amount as big as your
> memory, because it is quite likely that you use at least some part of
> your physical memory.  If you go beyond your physical + swap size, the
> program will hopefully be terminated if it tries to use all of it.  Just
> try it : )
> 
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Re: I've hozed my root login.

[Alexander]

Hi...

Anyone who has an up time over a week probably is obsessed with it. I
haven't got quite that much, but I'm slowly getting there... hell, I only
upgraded this thing a few days ago :)

Alex

On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, Stephen J. Carpenter wrote:

> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 09:38:16 -0400
> From: "Stephen J. Carpenter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: debian 
> Subject: Re: I've hozed my root login.
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> On Tue, Jul 21, 1998 at 10:24:09AM +0200, E.L. Meijer (Eric) wrote:
> > > 
> > > As root I ran chsh and accidentally entered an
> > > invalid shell path. chsh didn't detect this mistake
> > > like it does for a regular user!
> > > I wasn't aware of my blunder till next time I tried to 
> > > login as root.
> > > I tried booting from the rescue floppy and then mounting
> > > my linux drive so that I might edit /etc/passwd but the 
> > > mount did something weird, when I "cd /mnt/etc" there was
> > > nothing there, I mean the dir was  empty, hence I couldn't
> > > edit anything. This "emptiness" phenomenon was also true for 
> > > other dirs. weird!
> > > Any words of wisdom?
> > 
> > This is way to big an operation to solve this problem.  You can specify
> > which shell you want to su:
> > 
> > su -s /bin/bash
> > 
> > and you are root again.  Then you can run chsh or simply edit the last
> > item of root in /etc/passwd.
> 
> Thats good to know...and another tip...
> you can also reboot and (assuming you use lilo) give the kernel 
> Linux /bin/bash
> then you will immediately get a root login...no questions asked :)
> 
> this is usefull if you REALLY hose the systemor
> if you are not obsessed with your uptime :)
> 
> of course now im not obsessed with my uptime...after a few kernel builds...and
> power outage last night (I love my UPS)...my uptime is under a day.
> 
> -Steve
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Re: Lan Tcp/ip Question

[Alexander]

Hi...

Um, you do realize that SMB also provides print shares. If he wants to use
printers that'll need samba too. (er, I think samba has a print client...)

Alex

On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, Michael B. Taylor wrote:

> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 08:45:20 -0400
> From: "Michael B. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Tomt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Lan Tcp/ip Question
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> On Mon, Jul 20, 1998 at 10:35:43AM -0500, Tomt wrote:
> > At 10:02 PM 7/20/1998 -0400, you wrote:
> > I have no gateway defined on either machine do I need one?
> 
> route add -net...eth0 is sufficient to tell the Debian box to look
> for any machine on your local network through eth0.  You also need some
> kinda routing info on the NT machine.  Unless both machines can find each
> other, ping (other than self ping) wont get back to the originating 
> machine.  Try setting the Debian machine's address as   gateway on the 
> NT box.
> 
> > Don't I need samba to access the NT machine?
> 
> If your needs dont extend past transfering files, no.
> 
> Mike
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Re: I've hozed my root login.

[Alexander]

Hi...

Ugh! I forgot `su' too!! Thanks for reminding me, maybe I'll remember
when/if I do that to myself. ;)

Alex

On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, E.L. Meijer (Eric) wrote:

> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 10:24:09 +0200 (MET DST)
> From: "E.L. Meijer (Eric)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: debian 
> Subject: Re: I've hozed my root login.
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> > 
> > As root I ran chsh and accidentally entered an
> > invalid shell path. chsh didn't detect this mistake
> > like it does for a regular user!
> > I wasn't aware of my blunder till next time I tried to 
> > login as root.
> > I tried booting from the rescue floppy and then mounting
> > my linux drive so that I might edit /etc/passwd but the 
> > mount did something weird, when I "cd /mnt/etc" there was
> > nothing there, I mean the dir was  empty, hence I couldn't
> > edit anything. This "emptiness" phenomenon was also true for 
> > other dirs. weird!
> > Any words of wisdom?
> 
> This is way to big an operation to solve this problem.  You can specify
> which shell you want to su:
> 
> su -s /bin/bash
> 
> and you are root again.  Then you can run chsh or simply edit the last
> item of root in /etc/passwd.
> 
> HTH
> Eric
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Re: I've hozed my root login.

[Alexander]

Hi...

Yes, I do have some words of wisdom. Mount the disk to /target (or just
mount it through the GUI), and everything should be under /target. (i.e.
/target/etc/passwd)

Alex

On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, Marlon Urias wrote:

> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:13:19 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Marlon Urias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: I've hozed my root login.
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> As root I ran chsh and accidentally entered an
> invalid shell path. chsh didn't detect this mistake
> like it does for a regular user!
> I wasn't aware of my blunder till next time I tried to 
> login as root.
> I tried booting from the rescue floppy and then mounting
> my linux drive so that I might edit /etc/passwd but the 
> mount did something weird, when I "cd /mnt/etc" there was
> nothing there, I mean the dir was  empty, hence I couldn't
> edit anything. This "emptiness" phenomenon was also true for 
> other dirs. weird!
> Any words of wisdom?
>   marlon
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Re: 2 Xsessions?, 2 graphics cards?

[Alexander]

Hi...

Umm, just run `X' or your favorite X server then.

Alex

On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, Stuart Marshall wrote:

> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:58:11 -0700
> From: Stuart Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: 2 Xsessions?, 2 graphics cards?
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> Hi,
> 
> Sorry to reply to my own post but it looks like the reason the
> second session failed was because I am running the extra font
> server that is using the socket.  When the second session tries
> to open it it fails.  I won't know until tomorrow.
> 
> Stuart
> 
> Quoting Stuart Marshall ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Thanks for the help but it does not quite work.  I did just what
> > you said but when I start the second X session it fails.  The 
> > output of "startx -- :1 -bpp " is appended below.  It looks like
> > a problem with the first X session locking things up.  Could it
> > be the default security (xauth) stuff?
> > 
> > Stuart
> > 
> 
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Re: Lan Tcp/ip Question

[Alexander]

Hi...

Smbclient or a smbfs package is needed to access SMB shares/file shares
(respectively) on the NT machine from the UNIX machine. (unless you write
your own clients, of course) Smbclient is included in the samba package.

If what you're trying to do is set up a LAN to connect to the internet
with only a single IP address, then set up IP Masquerading on the Debian
machine and just set the NT machine to use the Debian machine as a
gateway. Same goes for pretty much anything else.

Alex

On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, Tomt wrote:

> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:35:43 -0500
> From: Tomt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Michael B. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Lan Tcp/ip Question
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> At 10:02 PM 7/20/1998 -0400, you wrote:
> >I assume you have tcp/ip installed on the NT machine.  It doesnt come that
> >way out of the box.  I think you have to install tcp/ip to even assign an ip
> >address.  Make sure you reran SP3 after installing tcp/ip from the NT cd.
> Been there, done that.
> >My Debian box is set up with route add -net, no gateway, the same as yours.
> >The NT box has the Debian box's address in as a gateway, but I dont know
> >if that makes any difference.
> I have no gateway defined on either machine do I need one?
> >Somebody told me that NT quits listening after not hearing any traffic for
> >a while.  Try rebooting the NT box after setting the route on the Debian 
> >box. 
> I have shut both machines down and then restarted them and then in the
> first few minutes after being booted I've tried the same thing, no luck.
> >You dont need samba just to transfer files or print, if the Debian box is
> >hosting the printer.  NT does ftp out of the box (assuming you can get
> >the network up of course).  NT can print to a Debian box using the "lpr"
> >method.
> Don't I need samba to access the NT machine?
> 
> Thanks
> 
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Re: memtest

[Alexander]

Hi...

There is no such package `memtest'. I have no such program installed,
either.

Maybe you could give me some pointers?

Alex

On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, Lawrence wrote:

> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 12:28:40 +1000
> From: Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "debian-user@lists.debian.org" 
> Subject: memtest
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> I want to test my 256megs but can't figure out arguments.  Can anyeone
> tell me the proper command line arguments to run the memtest?
> 
> Lawrence
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Re: Year 2000 compliance

[Alexander]

Hi...

Any and all UNIX systems are fully Y2K compliant, as long as the hardware
they run on is. However, their time_t value (UNIX time is represented in
seconds since 00:00 Jan 1 1970) will overflow sometime in the 2030s I
think. After that time_t will have to be expanded to 64 bits and all
programs using it recompiled. Not exactly as hard as rewriting billions of
lines of code; instead just modifying a single library header and
compiling some stuff.

Alex

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> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 13:10:24 -0500 (EST)
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> Subject: Re: Year 2000 compliance
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> *-Rick Fadler (23 Jul)
> | 
> | Does anyone have any information on this?
> | 
> 
> http://www.debian.org/news#19980104
> 
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problem with RealPlayer 5

[Xiaonan Ma]

I just updated the system to hamm and tried to install rvplayer5.0,
however I can't make it work. After dpkg -i rvplayer_5.0-2.deb 
and set the LD_LIBRARY_PATH virable, first I tried to run rvplayer 
directly with the included welcome.rm, but no sound was played out
(I can cat *.au > /dev/audio and it's fine). Actually it only showed
a few images after I clicked some menu button (such as preferences).
When I chosed File->Open Location->pnm://video.real.com/welcome.rm, 
it said "playing 19.1 Kbps network stream ..." but did nothing. 
I also tried to use it in netscape(4.04) following the instruction, 
however, it was even worse, I got error messages like 
"sh: rvplayer/tmp/MO35BAB6600D010B.ram: No such file or directory", which
I don't understand at all. 

Could anyone give some suggestion? Thanks a lot in advance.

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boot-floppies

[Robert Rati]

I installed the package boot-floppies so I would be able to create the
boot floppies to have as backup.  I cannot find the scripts that this
package installed though.  Does anyone know where they are?  And, as a
related question, does anyone know how to tell what debian packages
install which files after they've been installed (via dslect or something
like that) and the .deb file has been deleted?

Rob

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Re: 2 Xsessions?, 2 graphics cards?

[Alexander]

Hi...

Um, but if you can see both X displays at the same time how do you switch
the keyboard to one of them?

Alex

On 21 Jul 1998, Manfred Bartz wrote:

> Date: 21 Jul 1998 10:00:35 +1000
> From: Manfred Bartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Stuart Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: 2 Xsessions?, 2 graphics cards?
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> 
> Stuart Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Is there some way to run more than one X session on my debian PC?
> > 
> > Ideally I would do something like run an 8-bit depth xdm session
> > that logged me into a remote sun computer and a second X session
> > that is 16-bit depth that is my local session.  If it requires a
> > second video card it is no problem.  I would then be able to switch
> > between the two sessions via ALT-F7, ALT-F8 or something.
> 
> If you have enough RAM you can do this:
> 
> Go to a text mode console, if in X use CTL-ALT-Fn to do that.  Fn is
> F6 on my system.
> 
> Start a second X-server with 
> startx -- :1 -pbb 8
> 
> The ``--'' is important, it separates client and server options.
> 
> You can then switch between the two X-servers with CTL-ALT-Fn.  Fn is
> F2 and F3 on my system.
> 
> This method is probably the most practical if you need to run X-apps
> with different color depth simultaneously.
> 
> By creatively editing your startup scripts, you can set up entirely
> different and customized environments for the two X-servers.
> 
> See also:
> man X
> 
> No need for a second video card.
> 
> However, if you can afford it, you could have two video cards and two
> monitors and start up different servers for the two cards and monitors.
> 
> Cheers
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RE: 2 Xsessions?, 2 graphics cards?

[Alexander]

Hi...

Heh! Binding ANYTHING over Ctrl-Alt-F? is NOT recommended. :P

Alex

On Mon, 20 Jul 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 18:49:41 -0500 (EST)
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: RE: 2 Xsessions?, 2 graphics cards?
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (21 Jul)
> | On 20-Jul-98 Stuart Marshall wrote:
> | > Is there some way to run more than one X session on my debian PC?
> | > 
> | > Ideally I would do something like run an 8-bit depth xdm session
> | > that logged me into a remote sun computer and a second X session
> | > that is 16-bit depth that is my local session.  If it requires a
> | > second video card it is no problem.  I would then be able to switch
> | > between the two sessions via ALT-F7, ALT-F8 or something.
> | 
> | The following should do what I think you're asking for:
> | 
> | With no X up at all,
> | 
> | 1. From your local machine (say on tty1) do
> | 
> |startx -- -bpp 16 &
> | 
> | This should start a 16-bit X session on your local machine (on VT-7). Now
> | do Alt-F1 to get back to tty1.
> | 
> | 2. Still from your local machine, and from tty1, do
> | 
> |startx -- :1 -bpp 8 &
> | 
> | This should start an 8-bit X session on your local machine (on VT-8). You
> | should be able to switch between them using Alt-F8, Alt-F7. The ":1" must be
> | the FIRST thing following the "--".
> 
> Actually when in X you need to use Ctrl-Alt-F? to switch from an X
> display. As long as you haven't bound window mangager bindings over it.
> 
> | 
> | 3. From the second (8-bit) session on VT-8, telnet to the Sun machine. Then 
> you
> | should be able to do what you want. (You won't be able to cut&paste between 
> the
> | two different sessions however, and you can only see one of them at once).
> | 
> 
> I haven't tried it but there is a Debian package propsel that allows
> propagating selections between displays.  I don't know if it is just
> for multiheaded displays or not.  The package is only 8.8k so no biggy
> to download.
> 
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Re: Lan Tcp/ip Question

[Alexander]

Hi...

Uhmm... I've had that problem before. I could get some weird messages when
I tried pinging their broadcast address. I never did figure it out though.

Alex

On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, Tomt wrote:

> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 06:38:39 -0500
> From: Tomt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Lan Tcp/ip Question
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> At 10:44 PM 7/19/1998 -0700, you wrote:
> >It may be useful for you to assign the NIC's address to something other
> >than 0x300. A lot of different (very different even!) cards try to use
> >0x300 (sound cards, primarily).
> Theres a sound card in the machine but its sitting on 0x330
> >Also you may want to try pinging the machine's own address on the
> >ethernet. See what that produces. Aside from that I can't help you much.
> Works.  Both machines can ping themselves but not each other.
> 
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Re: New ncurses breaks dialog

[Alexander]

Hi...

Recompile dialog.

Alex

On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, Mike Schmitz wrote:

> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:21:52 -0700
> From: Mike Schmitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: New ncurses breaks dialog
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> Dialog segfaults & dumps core after I upgraded ncurses.
> Versions:
> 
>   ncurses-base1.9.9g-8.8
>   ncurses-bin 1.9.9g-8.8
>   ncurses-term1.9.9g-8.8
>   ncurses3.0  1.9.9e-2.1
>   ncurses3.4  1.9.9g-8.8
>   ncurses3.4-dev  1.9.9g-8.8
>   dialog  0.9a-12   
> 
> If you want to see the core file, let me know
> 
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Re: 2 Xsessions?, 2 graphics cards?

[Alexander]

Hi...

Uhhhyou can run another X server on your machine in 8 bpp if you want.
It'll use the next available tty (i.e. if :0 is on tty7 then :1 (the
second server) will run on tty8). You should be able to switch between
them using CTRL-ALT-.

You can also just start up the second X server by itself (run `X', or your
X server name directly if you want to use another video card), and run a
window manager on the Solaris machine which would presumably let you run
terminal emulators and X clients on it. (all this can be done in xdm, but
I'm not going to go into that unless you actually ask me to :)

Alex

On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, Stuart Marshall wrote:

> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:05:58 -0700
> From: Stuart Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: 2 Xsessions?, 2 graphics cards?
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> Hi,
> 
> I am a happy debian user (since 0.93R6) and I am wondering if
> I can do something a bit unusual.  I suffer from having 2 computers
> in my office, one is a debian PC, the other a sun workstation.  
> I would really like to cut that down to just the PC by using a
> remote sun computer.
> 
> Is there some way to run more than one X session on my debian PC?
> 
> Ideally I would do something like run an 8-bit depth xdm session
> that logged me into a remote sun computer and a second X session
> that is 16-bit depth that is my local session.  If it requires a
> second video card it is no problem.  I would then be able to switch
> between the two sessions via ALT-F7, ALT-F8 or something.
> 
> Is this pie-in-the-sky or is there some way to do something close
> to this.  
> 
> Stuart
> 
> PS.  I realize I could just run remote X clients on my local display
> but I need to run the Sun solaris applications (saoimage, ximtool, idl)
> etc in 8-bit mode.
> 
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Re: Fwd: LBA or not LBA

[Alexander]

Hi...

LBA can't hurt. It's Linear Block Addressing (am I sure I have that
right?), it basically is a BIOS feature (I think; it might be an IDE
controller feature) that translates a hard disk's normal
Cylinder-Head-Sector three-dimensional addresses to a linear (i.e. block
0, block 1, ...) addressing scheme. This also allows your system to access
much larger disks. (3D addressing was invented well before a 500 MB
harddisk even came into existence..)

Alex

On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, Martin Schulze wrote:

> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 23:37:35 +0200
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> -Forwarded message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andreas Mueller)-
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> Hi All
> 
> What setting's have I have to choose
> (for Linux to work fine - of course!)
> in the BIOS for my harddisk?
> 
> It ist a 2.1 GB Seagate
> 
> a) USER 2.1 .. .. .. .. LBA
> b) USER 2.1 .. .. .. .. NORMAL
> 
> 
> For Dos, it is LBA - I know...
> 
> By All
> -am
> 
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RE: Lan Tcp/ip Question

[Alexander]

Hi...

I never needed the ipmasq package. I've had IP Masqerading on my LAN long
before the ipmasq package even existed. All you really need is the ipfwadm
man page and (maybe) some examples.

Alex

On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, Patrick Ouellette wrote:

> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:47:40 -0400
> From: Patrick Ouellette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Tomt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: RE: Lan Tcp/ip Question
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> 
> Do you have the IP-Masquerade / IP-Firewall package installed? (I forget
> the actual name.)  I had similar problems after installing the ipmasq
> tools.  Seems the install scripts set up a really strict rules set to
> protect the Linux machine from attack over the net.  The rules were so
> strict I couldn't get my windows machine (or any other) to talk to my
> Linux box via IP.  I changed the firewall rules and that fixed the problem
> for me.  You may need to experiment with the rules to get a set that works
> for you (or sacrifice the security benefits and change the default policy
> to allow - not generally a good thing).
> 
> >From what you posted the network setup look ok, and your ethernet card is 
> seeing traffic (so it is apparently configured correctly).
> 
> Good Luck,
> 
> Pat
> 
> 
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Re: hdparm

[Alexander]

Hi...

Cache. Good cache. Good boy.

Alex

On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, Jaakko Niemi wrote:

> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:38:57 +0300
> From: Jaakko Niemi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: hdparm 
> 
> >> Hi...
> >> 
> >> Umm:
> >> 
> >> /dev/hda:
> >>  Timing buffer-cache reads:   64 MB in  1.61 seconds =39.75 MB/sec
> >>  Timing buffered disk reads:  32 MB in  6.87 seconds = 4.66 MB/sec
> >> 
> >> Buffer-cache reads? Uh... explain that to me please, this particular UDMA
> >> can't go past 33 MB/s.
> >> 
> >> But I do believe I heard of a UDMA/66 or something like that. I'm not
> >> using that here, though, so...
> 
>  I'm getting over 50MB /s and this ain't even UDMA .
> 
>   --j
> 
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Re: Dtime of Inodes

[Alexander]

Hi...

A deleted inode seems to have zero dtime sometimes when the machine is not
shut down normally. (i.e., power failure, system crash, nuclear
accident...)

Alex

On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, Stephen J. Carpenter wrote:

> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:18:15 -0400
> From: "Stephen J. Carpenter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Dtime of Inodes
> Resent-Date: 20 Jul 1998 17:11:57 -
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> On Mon, Jul 20, 1998 at 08:16:57AM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Hi All,
> > 
> >  I got hamm installed on my system. Everytime el2fsck runs, I get the 
> > message 'Deleted inode 1234 has a dtime of zero. Fix '
> > 
> > Why does this message come?
> 
> well...
> you don't want to run e2fsck on a mounted filesystem sooo...
> I am assuming this happens on reboot?
> are you shutting down properly? 
> (ie shutdown -r now or shutdown -h now)
> this is usually the case when a machine is not shutdown right or
> is not properly unmounting filesystems
> 
> hmmm why would you shutdown? :) 
> -Steve
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module missing

[Jieyao]

When I start up I get the following

net-pf-5 missing
char-major-10 missing

This happens after hda2 and hda3 are mounted..

The error also appears in the syslog now and then. What am I missing?
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Diald problem

[Jieyao]

I am having some problem with diald. Iam using it with ppp and ip masquerade.
I have an internal network which I assign the standard 192.168.0.x This  is 
working fine. The modem is connected to the linux box. If I don't use diald, 
pppd works fine and I am able to go out using ip masquerade, no problem.

Now, the problem start when I add diald. When it dial out, it some how does 
not change the default route from pointing at sl0 to ppp0 so the network can't 
go out. So what I do is at the ip-up and ip-down scripts I manually delete the 
default sl0 before ppp is up and add default sl0 when ppp is down. This makes 
it work. But am I doing it correctly? I thought diald is supposed to handle all 
this rerouting??

TIA


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any risk in using /home/root

[Jieyao]

I have one partition which I had mounted as /home.

I figured that since this is gonna store user information and files, I might as 
well 
put the root home there too.
So I created /home/root and change /root to a symbolic link to /home/root
Is there any security risk in doing this?

One problem that I can think of is if there is any serious problem and the 
other 
partition can't mount than probably root can login. This is correct?

TIA


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Re: xterm woes

[Paul]

These definitions are in /usr/lib/xterm/x/.

I have copied these from my debian box to a subdirectory of my 
home directory on a Solaris system and then defined the TERMINFO
envirnment variable to point to that directory. I do not know
if this will work on an Irix system.

See man ncurses for details.


On Fri, 24 Jul 1998, Carlo U. Segre wrote:

> Hello All:
> 
> I have been running the hamm distribution on one machine and Debian 1.3 on
> another.  When I telnet over from the hamm to the 1.3 from a xterm window
> and I try to run pine on the 1.3 machine, I get the message:
> 
> Terminal type "xterm-debian", is unknown.
> 
> And I am unable to run pine.  This same message shows up when I log into
> an Irix system and a Solaris system but in the Irix case, pine will
> continue to work and in the Solaris case, I am able to use the set term
> command to fix the problem.
> 
> Is this a bug in the xterm setup?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Carlo
> 
> 
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Re: Installing to a Harddrive other than C:

[Evan Van Dyke]

At 10:06 PM 7/24/98 -0400, DMDP wrote:
>I have been reading your installation information and I cannot find
>anything that tells me how to install Debian to an E:\ drive for example
>and use a DOS bootup menu to access it.
>
>How should I go about setting this up?
>
>The installation guide recommends installing on C:, but I REALLY don't
>want to do that.

Well, is E a physically seperate drive, or a logical partition?  If it's a
logical partition, you can't install to it unless you install using the
UMSDOS file system.  I"d suggest wiping out a partition and creating an
Exf2 file system for Linux.  As to how to boot up, the easiest thing to do
is to set up LILO, but if you're running linux under UMSDOS, then you
should be able to add a loadln.exe line to your DOS bootup menu.

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Installing to a Harddrive other than C:

[DMDP]

I have been reading your installation information and I cannot find
anything that tells me how to install Debian to an E:\ drive for example
and use a DOS bootup menu to access it.

How should I go about setting this up?

The installation guide recommends installing on C:, but I REALLY don't
want to do that.

Thanks,
Denis dePierro

PS:  Also, is there a Debian G++ or GCC package?


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Re: who ?

[Art Lemasters]

On Sat, Jul 25, 1998 at 06:31:36PM -0600, Gregory Green wrote:
> I am running hamm and kernel 2.0.32 on my Debian box.  Can any one tell
> me why the "who" command does not return anything?  I do believe it
> worked before I upgraded from bo.  I can sucessfully run the "last"
> command but who does nothing.  What can be done?

 "who" comes with the shellutils package.  I've been running
hamm for almost a year, but this system is running with kernel
2.0.33 (not sure that makes any difference).  Maybe one of the
gurus on the list could tell you whether or not it would be safe
to wipe and reinstall shellutils.  It _is_ a base package, and
reinstalling anything for shells makes me nervous, so far.
...just a tiny bit of info. above (shellutils).  who works just
fine, here. 

Art

> 
> Thanks,
> Gregory Green
> 
> 
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who ?

[Gregory Green]

I am running hamm and kernel 2.0.32 on my Debian box.  Can any one tell
me why the "who" command does not return anything?  I do believe it
worked before I upgraded from bo.  I can sucessfully run the "last"
command but who does nothing.  What can be done?

Thanks,
Gregory Green



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