Re: Recommended approach for installing Woody

[Scott Henson]

On Wed, 2002-02-06 at 22:04, Chris Kenrick wrote:
> What's the recommended approach for installing Woody
> these days?
> 

I really would not recomend installing potato then 
dist-upgrading.  Having tried that several time, I could 
never recomend that.  What I did is got some woody disks
and did a regular install.  Now what I would recomend is 
useing the new net install CD's.  I basically did that useing the
regular CD's.  The real advantage that I see is the smaller image.
But I would really recomend that you install woody straight.  You
will save yourself so much pain.

-- 
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Re: Install woes...X problem

[Ray Bowles]

I am very thankful to all of you! I can't express how helpful you have
been. I will take what you have told me and keep working on it. You've
deffinately made me confident this can work. My local LUG isn't very
freindly, so I thank you all very much for your suggestions and I'm sure I
will be keeping up with the NG and helping out when I can.
Thanks again,
Ray

Re: Install woes...X problem

[Ray Bowles]

> > My TNT2 cards seem to worn in other systems this is my first time with a
> > GeForce2 (same driver though, I believe) What did you install with? a
> > stable image or woody? and did you up grade?
> 
> "seem to worn" ??  "seem to work"?

work sorry

Re: Mutt

[Adam Majer]

On Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 11:26:55AM +0800, Terence Ng wrote:
> Thanks, Stephen, even now I get:
> -rw-rw 1 ngterry mail
> 
> If I want to delete mails in Mutt, I still get "Mailbox is read-only".  Why?

When I set up my /var/spool to be mounted over NFS I got
exactly the same problem. It had to do with inability for
mutt to lock the mail spool.. To fix this, I restarted NFS server
and remounted the directories. Oh yeah, I also updated to NFS v.3.

I'm not sure if this helps, but just in case...
- Adam

Re: ATI Radion video card

[Adam Majer]

On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 10:03:15AM -0500, Andrew Dixon wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Has anyone gotten XFree86 up and running with an ATI Radion video card. 
> I just did an install on Friday and once again X has got me stumped.
> 
> Any tips, hints, words of wisdom, or random thoughts would be greatly
> appreciated.

You need to have a few things:

--Kernel--
* DRI driver for Radeon
* your mobo's AGP module

The above two have to be loaded before x starts. You need to use
kernel 2.4.8 or later (I think).

-- X configig --
For driver in X 4.1.xx just specify ATI and Radeon will be detected.
Make sure you install xlibmesa3 to get hardware accelerated OpenGL :)

If you don't enable the DRI and AGP in the kernel, you will not
get as good performance as you would otherwise. Without DRI, OpenGL
is rather slow..


Hope this helps,
Adam

dns

[Alexey]

There is a dnsutils package in Debian. Is contains some utilities.
Is it a Debian-specific software?

I can connect to the provider, run pppd. There appears resolv.conf with
"nameserver..." lines. I can ping those servers, and it's possible to
browse www pages like this: "http://194.180.244.2/index.htm";.
How to enable domain names? What program is responsible for that?

Thanks.
Alexey.

Installing a package interactively

[Jim Woodruff]

How does someone install interactively?  I've searched the maillist
archives and the man pages without success.  I'm trying to install
a package that inturn unpacks and installs another .rpm file.
Neither "dpkg -i" or "apt-get install" work as they are in non-
interactive modes.


Jim Woodruff < [EMAIL PROTECTED] >

Re: partition types

[Henry House]

On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 09:56:34PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
> Now, when =I= go into my /dev/hda with GNU parted, or fdisk, or what have 
> you, what do I see? That's right, 4 primary partitions: the max you can have. 
> 
> Dumb question is: can I change my root partition to type extended and 
> create two logical partitions (one holding the original root stuff, the 
> other for Linux from Scratch things) within it? Without destroying my 
> beloved Debian system?

That should be okay. AFTER you have backed up everything on your root
partition that you do not want to lose if not all goes well, use fdisk to
print the existing partition geometry, note down all figures exactly,
delete /dev/hda1 (or whatever number is mounted as /), then create /dev/hda 1
as an extended partition with the same start and end as the former hda1
logical partition. Lastly, create a new hda5 with the same start and end as
the old and new hda1. Try out partition after a reboot (don't forget to edit
lilo.conf or menu.lst and /etc/fstab). If it works you can re-size the /
partition and split it if you like.

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eth0 and eth1 same card????

[Peter Donaldson]

Having a small problem with a new deb box i am 
trying to set up. eth0 has its own ip and eth1 has its ip. I can ssh into the 
box using eth0's ip but for some reason i can also ssh in using eth1's ip even 
thou that nic is not pluged into the lan. If i plug eth1 into the lan i cannot 
get into the box using either ip. Anyone had this 
before??

Re: UrlView strangeness

[Steve Cooper]

On Tue, Feb 05, 2002 at 07:09:40AM +0100, Alexander Steinert decreed:
> > I use mutt which uses urlview to present a list of url's in a message.
> > Lately, sometimes some of the lines in that list are blank (sometimes
> > they're *all* blank). If I count the url's in the message and arrow down
> > to the appropriate blank line it fires up lynx and takes me where I want
> > to go.
> > 
> > Has anyone else experienced this?
> 
> I can't solve your specific problem, but you might be interested in what
> I did. Feel free to ask, if something isn't clear.
> 
> Since I was not satisfied with urlview (just URLs, no context), I
> defined 2 keybindings in .muttrc
> 
> macro index \cb "|formail -I \"\" | txt2html.py > 
> $HOME/tmp/tmp.html\n!links $HOME/tmp/tmp.html\n"
> macro pager \cb ...[the rest is the same]...
> 
> The script txt2html.py:
> 
> #! /usr/bin/env python
> 
> """txt2html - Convert plain text to html with urls as links.
> 
> Usage: txt2html < in.txt > out.html
[snip]
---end quoted text---

Also check out mhonarc in stable, testing and unstable.  It's
specifically geared to reformatting email as HTML with url's as links.

Cheers,
Steve

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Re: delayed transfer of mail to Pine

[Mark S. Reglewski]

On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 09:07:59PM -0600, Gary Turner wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Feb 2002 11:17:22 -0800, Paul E Condon wrote:
> >On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 10:53:39AM -0600, Mark S. Reglewski wrote:
> >> On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 10:15:38AM -0600, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
> >> > When I fetch my mail, my primary pop3 usually has at least a couple
> >> > hundred messages, and all of them are fetched. But when I get into Pine,
> >> > only 100 of those messages are present. . . [snip]
> 
> >> If you are using exim as your MTA, edit /etc/exim.conf and change the value
> >> of smtp_accept_queue_per_connection to a sane value for your mail volume.
> >> The default value is 10.  For a smarthost set-up, I believe this is changed
> >> to 100, which is way too low if you subscribe to active mail lists like 
> >> debian-user.  What is happening is that exim is queueing everything over 
> >> 100 messages for later delivery.  
> >> 
> >I'm using fetchmail/exim/mutt (not pine). I looked at my exim.conf just now.
> >I find that I have
> >
> >smtp_accept_queue_per_connection = 100
> >
> >but I have never noticed a delay in lots of mail showing up in mutt.
> >I think there may be something else involved in Cheryl's problem, but I'm
> >not sufficiently skilled at this to make an intelligent suggestion.
> >
> >From Cheryl's description, it looks as if she is getting 1 big mailbag a
> day.  On my system, with dsl always connected, I fetch the mailbag every
> 10 minutes or so and seldom have more than 20 at a time, but a couple of
> hundred per day.  This may be the same type situation you have, Paul.
> 
True.  If Paul has an always-on connection, he'll never run up against the
message-per-connection limit, and that would be why he never noticed a
problem.  As you can see from Cheryl's later post, she *does* have DSL, but
she *doesn't* leave her machine on all the time, so she will at least
sometimes run into the same limit on messages per connection as I do out
here in Dial-Up World.

Cordially,
Mark S. Reglewski

partition types

[burningclown]

OK, I've got a REALLY STUPID question here. :/

I decided recently that I wanted to try out the "Linux from Scratch" 
project (http://www.linuxfromscratch.org). In order to do this particular 
thang one has to create a reasonable sized partition on which to create 
the installation. 

Now, when =I= go into my /dev/hda with GNU parted, or fdisk, or what have 
you, what do I see? That's right, 4 primary partitions: the max you can have. 

Dumb question is: can I change my root partition to type extended and 
create two logical partitions (one holding the original root stuff, the 
other for Linux from Scratch things) within it? Without destroying my 
beloved Debian system?

Or does it just not work that way?

I told you it was stupid! See how I trust you fine folks, to parade my 
ignorance before you like this? :-) 

Foolishly,

Glenn
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Re: xmms

[Nick Hastings]

Hi,

* jeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020207 13:46]:
> just installed a nice fresh 2.2r5...
> 
> xmms plays cd's for root but not for me...
> 
> keep in mind that i do belong to the 'audio' group...

that may be so, but what are the permisions on /dev/cdrom and /dev/hdc (or
where ever /dev/cdrom is linked to)?

Nick.

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Re: delayed transfer of mail to Pine

[Cheryl Homiak]

No, actually, I also am on dsl, but I don't leave my computer running all
night usually. so when I get up in the morning I do have a big bunch, and
the mail just trickles in from then on. So I've only had this problem
usually once a day. I will see what happens tomorrow morning.


-- 
Cheryl

Re: Mutt

[Terence Ng]

Thanks, Stephen, even now I get:
-rw-rw 1 ngterry mail

If I want to delete mails in Mutt, I still get "Mailbox is read-only".  Why?

Sincerely,

Terence Ng
 
On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 01:32:08PM -0500, Stephen Gran wrote:
> Thus spake Terence Ng:
> > Glyn:
> > 
> > What if I get:
> > 
> > -rw--- 1 ngterry  root  494616 Feb 7 00:01  /var/spool/mail/ngterry
> > 
> > Sincerely,
> > 
> > Terence Ng
> chmod 0660 /var/spool/mail/ngterry
> chown ngterry:mail /var/spool/mail/ngterry
> 
> All as root.  Those are the defaults.  Not quite sure why yours are
> off.
> Steve
> -- 
> ... when fits of creativity run strong, more than one programmer or writer
> has been known to abandon the desktop for the more spacious floor.
>   -- Fred Brooks

Re: Install woes...X problem

[ben]

On Wednesday 06 February 2002 08:19 pm, you wrote:
> ac patches?
>
> On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, ben wrote:
> > On Wednesday 06 February 2002 05:54 pm, Ray Bowles wrote:
> > > VIA686a
> >
> > apparently all straight 2.4 kernels are affected by this. allegedly,
> > there are ac patches that fix this.
> >
> >
> > --
> > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]

alan cox writes kernel patches to cover anomalous situations like yours. 
check out kernel.org. it's an interesting place.

Re: Install woes...X problem

[Ron Johnson]

On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 23:16:12 -0500 (EST) Ray Bowles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Ron Johnson wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 20:54:47 -0500 (EST) Ray Bowles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > You could have a flaky mobo.
> 
> anyway to test? I dual-boot the same system with WinXP and play highend
> games without a problem. I understand the drivers are different but I
> figured I'd ask.
> 
> > Your friend is overgeneralizing.  I've been using an Athlon-C, A7V266
> > mobo and a generic Riva TNT2 AGP video card with X4.1 and nv driver
> > for 7 months now with no problems.
> 
> My TNT2 cards seem to worn in other systems this is my first time with a
> GeForce2 (same driver though, I believe) What did you install with? a
> stable image or woody? and did you up grade?

"seem to worn" ??  "seem to work"?

Started with Mandrake 8.0, then went to Debian Woody (CD install),
and I "apt-get upgrade" on a daily basis.

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Re: delayed transfer of mail to Pine

[Gary Turner]

On Wed, 06 Feb 2002 11:17:22 -0800, Paul E Condon wrote:

>On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 10:53:39AM -0600, Mark S. Reglewski wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 10:15:38AM -0600, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
>> > I am using fetchmail and pine; lately I am noticing something that didn't
>> > happen before, so I wonder if it has to do with an upgrade of fetchmail.
>> > When I fetch my mail, my primary pop3 usually has at least a couple
>> > hundred messages, and all of them are fetched. But when I get into Pine,
>> > only 100 of those messages are present, plus the smaller numbers of

>> If you are using exim as your MTA, edit /etc/exim.conf and change the value
>> of smtp_accept_queue_per_connection to a sane value for your mail volume.
>> The default value is 10.  For a smarthost set-up, I believe this is changed
>> to 100, which is way too low if you subscribe to active mail lists like 
>> debian-user.  What is happening is that exim is queueing everything over 
>> 100 messages for later delivery.  
>> 

>> 
>I'm using fetchmail/exim/mutt (not pine). I looked at my exim.conf just now.
>I find that I have
>
>smtp_accept_queue_per_connection = 100
>
>but I have never noticed a delay in lots of mail showing up in mutt.
>I think there may be something else involved in Cheryl's problem, but I'm
>not sufficiently skilled at this to make an intelligent suggestion.
>
>From Cheryl's description, it looks as if she is getting 1 big mailbag a
day.  On my system, with dsl always connected, I fetch the mailbag every
10 minutes or so and seldom have more than 20 at a time, but a couple of
hundred per day.  This may be the same type situation you have, Paul.

gt
Yes I fear I am living beyond my mental means--Nash

Recommended approach for installing Woody

[Chris Kenrick]

What's the recommended approach for installing Woody
these days?

Is is still best to install a minimal Potato then
dist-upgrade, or is there a better way.

- Chris

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Re: Install woes...X problem

[Ron Johnson]

On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:41:57 -0800 ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wednesday 06 February 2002 06:36 pm, you wrote:
> > On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:19:29 -0800 ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 06 February 2002 05:54 pm, Ray Bowles wrote:
> > > > VIA686a
> > >
> > > apparently all straight 2.4 kernels are affected by this. allegedly,
> > > there are ac patches that fix this.
> >
> > I've run with the linus kernel for 5 months now (starting w/ 2.4.7
> > and now 2.4.17) with no problem.
> > A7V266 w/ KT133A chipset and Riva TNT AGP video card.
> 
> is there a via686a involved in that setup somewhere? i've seen the discussion 
> of the issue on the kernel mailing list at kernel.org. the via686b is said to 
> be free of the problem.

The 686a & 686b work together are north and southbridge.

>From the ASUS website:
The VIA? Apollo KT133A is based on an innovative and scalable 
architecture with proven reliability and performance. It is a 
two-chip set consisting of the VT8363A North Bridge controller 
and the VT82C686B South Bridge controller.
http://usa.asus.com/mb/socketa/a7v133/overview.htm

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Re: Install woes...X problem

[Ray Bowles]

ac patches?

On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, ben wrote:

> On Wednesday 06 February 2002 05:54 pm, Ray Bowles wrote:
> > VIA686a
> 
> apparently all straight 2.4 kernels are affected by this. allegedly, there 
> are ac patches that fix this.
> 
> 
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> 

Re: Install woes...X problem

[Ray Bowles]

On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Ron Johnson wrote:

> On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 20:54:47 -0500 (EST) Ray Bowles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> You could have a flaky mobo.

anyway to test? I dual-boot the same system with WinXP and play highend
games without a problem. I understand the drivers are different but I
figured I'd ask.

> Your friend is overgeneralizing.  I've been using an Athlon-C, A7V266
> mobo and a generic Riva TNT2 AGP video card with X4.1 and nv driver
> for 7 months now with no problems.

My TNT2 cards seem to worn in other systems this is my first time with a
GeForce2 (same driver though, I believe) What did you install with? a
stable image or woody? and did you up grade?

xmms

[jeff]

just installed a nice fresh 2.2r5...

xmms plays cd's for root but not for me...

keep in mind that i do belong to the 'audio' group...

any suggestions?

TIA

-jeff

Re: Install woes...X problem

[ben]

On Wednesday 06 February 2002 06:36 pm, you wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:19:29 -0800 ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Wednesday 06 February 2002 05:54 pm, Ray Bowles wrote:
> > > VIA686a
> >
> > apparently all straight 2.4 kernels are affected by this. allegedly,
> > there are ac patches that fix this.
>
> I've run with the linus kernel for 5 months now (starting w/ 2.4.7
> and now 2.4.17) with no problem.
> A7V266 w/ KT133A chipset and Riva TNT AGP video card.

is there a via686a involved in that setup somewhere? i've seen the discussion 
of the issue on the kernel mailing list at kernel.org. the via686b is said to 
be free of the problem.

Re: Install woes...X problem

[Ron Johnson]

On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:19:29 -0800 ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wednesday 06 February 2002 05:54 pm, Ray Bowles wrote:
> > VIA686a
> 
> apparently all straight 2.4 kernels are affected by this. allegedly, there 
> are ac patches that fix this.

I've run with the linus kernel for 5 months now (starting w/ 2.4.7
and now 2.4.17) with no problem.
A7V266 w/ KT133A chipset and Riva TNT AGP video card.

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Re: ximian Install

[Jason M. Harvey]

On Fri, Feb 08, 2002 at 12:32:05AM +, Geoff Beaumont wrote:
| On Wed, 2002-02-06 at 21:53, Jason M. Harvey wrote:
| > oh, i see. so, if the alias is set up right, you can use it with imap
| > the same way you would with netscape and other imap clients. so, i guess
| > the add-on package gives you use of the calendar and journal stuff??
| 
| If it doesn't say in the press release, you could ask on the Ximian
| Evolution mailing list - I don't know off the top of my head.
| 
| > /jason is dreaming of running linux as a 'workstation' in the office one
| > day, but for now is happy to have a server in the datacenter.
| 
| Run an X session on Windows ;c) That's what we do.
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Re: Install woes...X problem

[ben]

On Wednesday 06 February 2002 05:54 pm, Ray Bowles wrote:
> VIA686a

apparently all straight 2.4 kernels are affected by this. allegedly, there 
are ac patches that fix this.

Re: delayed transfer of mail to Pine

[Mark S. Reglewski]

On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 11:17:22AM -0800, Paul E Condon wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 10:53:39AM -0600, Mark S. Reglewski wrote:
> > 
> > If you are using exim as your MTA, edit /etc/exim.conf and change the value
> > of smtp_accept_queue_per_connection to a sane value for your mail volume.
> > The default value is 10.  For a smarthost set-up, I believe this is changed
> > to 100, which is way too low if you subscribe to active mail lists like 
> > debian-user.  What is happening is that exim is queueing everything over 
> > 100 messages for later delivery.  
> > 
> > Either set the value to a very high number that will allow delivery of all
> > mails in one connection, or set it to zero to disable the feature.
> > 
> I'm using fetchmail/exim/mutt (not pine). I looked at my exim.conf just now.
> I find that I have
> 
> smtp_accept_queue_per_connection = 100
> 
> but I have never noticed a delay in lots of mail showing up in mutt.
> I think there may be something else involved in Cheryl's problem, but I'm
> not sufficiently skilled at this to make an intelligent suggestion.

Interesting comment, Paul.  First, a disclaimer, then my reply.

Disclaimer:

I am a complete and clueless Debian and Linux newbie.  The only reason that I
ventured a reply to Cheryl's original query was that I recently encountered 
exactly the same problem in setting up mail in Linux.  I too run a setup of
mutt + fetchmail + exim, and have recently been poring over docs and 
configuration files.  

Reply:

After getting my mail setup going in Debian, I noticed emails being
delivered into my spool file index as I was working my mail in mutt.  For a
couple of days I naturally thought that these were just messages being
pulled off my ISP's server by the fetchmail daemon.  But by chance I noticed
that some of the deliveries were completely out of sync with fetchmail's
polling interval.  I checked /var/log/exim/mainlog and discovered that any
messages in excess of 100 that were retrieved by fetchmail and passed to
exim were being queued for deferred delivery.  So more study led me to the
/etc/exim.conf file, and the setting of smtp_accept_queue_per_connection.
So, it's possible that you have been seeing deferred message deliveries
without realizing it.  If your smtp_accept_queue_per_connection is set to
100 and messages are *not* being queued, then I think you have a bug against
exim.  Check your exim logs to see if you are experiencing deferred delivery
of messages in excess of 100.  If so, you might want to edit your
/etc/exim.conf file along the lines I suggested earlier.  

You could also do this:  The next time you boot up, run fetchmail -c -v
to see how many messages are on your POP server before you actually invoke
fetchmail to retrieve them.  Run tail -f /var/log/exim/mainlog in a terminal
window while fetchmail is retrieving your messages.  You should see messages
in excess of 100 being queued in real time.

Of course, the acid test for Cheryl will be whether she gets all her
messages delivered in one connection the next time she invokes fetchmail
with 100+ messages on her mail server.  I hope she will report success or
failure.  If it's failure, then some mail guru will have to chime in, since
this clueless newbie is at the outer limits of his knowledge.

Cordially,
Mark S. Reglewski


 

Re: OT: Hot-swappable IDE drives

[Dimitri Maziuk]

* Ron Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly:
> On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 17:23:19 -0600 Dimitri Maziuk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > * Ron Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > I know that there are removable cartridges that allow one to swap
> > > IDE disk drives when the PC is shut down, i.e. cold-swapping.
> > > 
> > > Is there a way to hot-swap IDE drives like it it possible with 
> > > SCSI drives?  The 'net research I've done indicates that it is
> > > not possible, but I wonder if I have missed anything.
> > 
> > I've hot-swapped IDE drives before. It's certainly doable, although
> > I wouldn't recommend it. Why do you want to hot-swap it, anyway?
> 
> Data backup for my 60GB disk drive.  The only other technology
> that I know of to protect the data would be a high-end tape drive,
> like a DLT.  However, they cost 5x more then my computer...
> 
> Why don't you recommend it?

Because if you hit it too hard while it's powered, it'll die
(FVO "too hard" = 2 mm drop, for many drives). If you don't
have the cradle and are working inside the case, you'll drop 
a screw onto the mobo. Because it's not "officially" supported
(which to me means "may let the magic smoke out at any moment
without provocation").

Do you plan to store backup off-site? If not you may as well
leave the drive inside your computer, just spin it down.
How often do you plan to back up? If it's not every 5 minutes,
you might as well shut the 'puter down (esp. if you're doing a
full mirror -- it's a good idea to do that in a single-user
mode anyway).

Dima

Re: Install woes...X problem

[Ron Johnson]

On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 20:54:47 -0500 (EST) Ray Bowles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
> Probable hardware bug: clock timer configuration lost - probably a
> VIA686a. Probable hardware bug: restoring chip configuration.

You could have a flaky mobo.

[snip]
> let me know. One friend from a Linux support company told me I was out of
> luck because I was using an AMD chip and an AGP vid card.

Your friend is overgeneralizing.  I've been using an Athlon-C, A7V266
mobo and a generic Riva TNT2 AGP video card with X4.1 and nv driver
for 7 months now with no problems.

_However_, about 2 weeks ago, there were reports of a "confusion"
between AGP cards & Athlons.  linuxtoday reported on it...

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Re: gnome-session multiple apps startup

[Jerome Acks Jr]

On Sun, Feb 03, 2002 at 07:13:22PM -0600, Lance Hoffmeyer wrote:
> I just installed gnome-session and when I did I start getting multiple apps
> opening up at startup.  Before I had one instance of xdaliclock opening
> up.  Now I have four.  A few other apps do this as well.  Instead of one
> opening up 2-3 open up.  What should I do to stop this from happening?

Sounds like you may have set up your window manager to
remember the state of your session and then installed gnome-session
which is also configured to remember the state of the session on
logout. Go to gnome control center, session properties and then kill
off the startup program you don't want and save the session. If you are
going to rely on gnome to automatically save the session state when you
logout, make sure your window manager is not doing the same. 
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Re: rp-pppoe

[Jeronimo Pellegrini]

On Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 11:16:03AM +1100, Peter Donaldson wrote:
> Anyone know if there is a new version of rp-pppoe that will work with the 
> 2.4.16 kernel???

I'm running kernel 2.4.18-pre8 and using pppoe 3.3-1 without any
problems at all!

Doesn't it work for you?

J.

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Re: OT: Hot-swappable IDE drives

[csj]

On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 18:16:00 -0600
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 10:26:17 +1100 CaT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 05:23:19PM -0600, Dimitri Maziuk wrote:
> > > * Ron Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly:
> > > > Hi,
> > > > 
> > > > I know that there are removable cartridges that allow one to swap
> > > > IDE disk drives when the PC is shut down, i.e. cold-swapping.
> > > > 
> > > > Is there a way to hot-swap IDE drives like it it possible with 
> > > > SCSI drives?  The 'net research I've done indicates that it is
> > > > not possible, but I wonder if I have missed anything.
> > > 
> > > I've hot-swapped IDE drives before. It's certainly doable, although
> > > I wouldn't recommend it. Why do you want to hot-swap it, anyway?
> > 
> > Cheaper then a zip disk I guess...
> 
> Not cheaper than a ZIP250, but 
> - a 40GB disk is 160x the capacity
> - infinitely more durable
> - faster

I infinitely agree with the faster bit. But when was the last time you
dropped a 40GB hard disk?

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(LPRng) How to make print job from other machines pass the filter?

[Dongxiang]

I have a Debian linux box with a HP LJ 1100 connected
to the parallel port. From local machine print works
fine.

Now I want to send print job from a Mac OS X iBook to
the Linux box. It turns out that the lpd pass the
spool file (generic postscript) directly to the
printer.   How do I configure lprng to make it pass
the filter first?

I am using LPRng 3.8.2.  Following are my printcap:

# This file was generated by
/usr/sbin/magicfilterconfig.
#

laser|lp|HP LJ 1100:
:lp=/dev/lp0:sd=/var/spool/lpd/laser:
:sh:pw#80:pl#66:px#1440:mx#0:
:if=/etc/magicfilter/ljet4-filter:
:af=/var/log/lp-acct:lf=/var/log/lp-errs:

I tried adding
":filter=/det/magicfilter/ljet4-filter:", it did not
help.

Thanks for your help.

Dong

Re: ximian Install

[Geoff Beaumont]

On Wed, 2002-02-06 at 21:53, Jason M. Harvey wrote:
> oh, i see. so, if the alias is set up right, you can use it with imap
> the same way you would with netscape and other imap clients. so, i guess
> the add-on package gives you use of the calendar and journal stuff??

If it doesn't say in the press release, you could ask on the Ximian
Evolution mailing list - I don't know off the top of my head.

> /jason is dreaming of running linux as a 'workstation' in the office one
> day, but for now is happy to have a server in the datacenter.

Run an X session on Windows ;c) That's what we do.
-- 
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Install woes...X problem

[Ray Bowles]

I'm having a tough time all of a sudden. My non-X machines work
great but I'm having a problem on my desktop.
I tried every type of Debian (2.2_rev5, Woody, Sid,
pseudo) download I could get and they all failed. Mostly due to my USB
keyboard and mouse. I eventually got an image of Progeny and the GUI
install went off without a hitch. Until it said it would restart X and
allow mw to login... Then the Xserver crashed *shrugs*. I prefer Debian,
I've used it few a few years now and I can never go back.
I upgraded Progeny every which way you can think of and
reinstalled a lot. A common problem I am seeing is my console going black
for 30sec every couple of minutes and while out the NUM LOCK light blinks
and the keystrokes are not registered. I've messed with X for hours and
nothing will change it. This error also scrolls up the screen once in a
while:
Probable hardware bug: clock timer configuration lost - probably a
VIA686a. Probable hardware bug: restoring chip configuration.
I believe the X version is 4.0

Someone told me it could be my system hardware so I will list it
at the bottom of this post. I am very interested in getting this resolved
and will work on it as long as I have to so please send any suggestions
you can.

My system is as follows:
ASUS A7A266 Motherboard w/Ali chipset
AMD Athlon 1400
GeForce2 MX-400 (AGP)
SoundBlaster Live Value
3Com 3C905 Combo
HP 9100i CDRW
Microsoft Natural Pro Keyboard
MS Wireless Intellimouse Explorer

If I left anything out anywhere you anyone needs more info please
let me know. One friend from a Linux support company told me I was out of
luck because I was using an AMD chip and an AGP vid card.

Thanks,
Ray


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Re: [SLL] Test module: Version conflict on a hello.o

[Xeno Campanoli]

Pann McCuaig wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 14:24, Xeno Campanoli wrote:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dpkg -S /usr/include/linux/version.h
> libc6-dev: /usr/include/linux/version.h
> 
> Best guess is that the current libc6 in potato was built on a machine
> running kernel-2.2.20. Sorta tacky considering kernel-source-2.2.20
> isn't even available via apt for potato.
> 
> But I think that's the answer to your question.

That sounds like a pretty good answer.  It seems way to silly to be a
security hack, but I still wanted to ask that, being the way I am.  I'll
CC the debian group.  Perhaps they'll take a look.
> 
> Luck,
> Pann
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Re: Perl and CPAN

[stan]

On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 05:34:34PM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 06:00:20PM -0500, stan wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 11:32:37PM +0100, Frodo Baggins wrote:
> > > 06/02/2002 14.52.17, Paul Hampson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto:
> > > 
> > > >On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 08:33:39AM -0500, Chris Hilts wrote:
> > > >> The installation instructions of a piece of software I'm considering
> > > >> asks me to fetch several (ok, a lot of) modules from CPAN.  Since this
> > > >> will be adding software to my Debian system, is this safe?  Is there a
> > > >> Debianized way to do this?
> > > >
> > > >dh-make-perl
> > > >
> > So where does one find this wonderful tool?
> 
> Not exactly [1]
> 
>  Description: Create debian packages from perl modules
>   dh-make-perl will create the files required to build
>   a debian source package out of a perl package.
>   This works for most simple packages and is also useful
>   for getting started with packaging perl modules.
>   Given a perl package name, it can also automatically download it from CPAN.
> 
OK, so if I wnat to install the latest version of perl, and various lates
versions of CPAN modules, and keep all of this compliant with the Debain Way Of
Doing things, how do I acomplish this?

For instance, at the oment inorder to properly unilize Debug::Leak, I
need a perl compiled with -DDEBUG.

If I compile the latest version and put it in, say /usr/local, then I
have problems with the paths to nodules.

Whats the best way to do this?


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Re: OT: Hot-swappable IDE drives

[Ron Johnson]

On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 17:23:19 -0600 Dimitri Maziuk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * Ron Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I know that there are removable cartridges that allow one to swap
> > IDE disk drives when the PC is shut down, i.e. cold-swapping.
> > 
> > Is there a way to hot-swap IDE drives like it it possible with 
> > SCSI drives?  The 'net research I've done indicates that it is
> > not possible, but I wonder if I have missed anything.
> 
> I've hot-swapped IDE drives before. It's certainly doable, although
> I wouldn't recommend it. Why do you want to hot-swap it, anyway?

Data backup for my 60GB disk drive.  The only other technology
that I know of to protect the data would be a high-end tape drive,
like a DLT.  However, they cost 5x more then my computer...

Why don't you recommend it?

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Re: [SLL] Test module: Version conflict on a hello.o

[Xeno Campanoli]

Pann McCuaig wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 14:24, Xeno Campanoli wrote:
> 
> > I do this:
> >
> > inneal:~# cat /usr/include/linux/version.h | grep 2.2.20
> > #define UTS_RELEASE "2.2.20"
> >
> > and doing it with 2.2.19 finds nothing.  This got updated from one
> > greater than the last kernel number before, so it's been that way for
> > two episodes.
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dpkg -S /usr/include/linux/version.h
> libc6-dev: /usr/include/linux/version.h
> 
> Best guess is that the current libc6 in potato was built on a machine
> running kernel-2.2.20. Sorta tacky considering kernel-source-2.2.20
> isn't even available via apt for potato.
> 
> But I think that's the answer to your question.

That sounds like a pretty good answer.  It seems way to silly to be a
security hack, but I still wanted to ask that, being the way I am.  I'll
CC the debian group.  Perhaps they'll take a look.
> 
> Luck,
> Pann
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Re: OT: Hot-swappable IDE drives

[Ron Johnson]

On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 10:26:17 +1100 CaT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 05:23:19PM -0600, Dimitri Maziuk wrote:
> > * Ron Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > I know that there are removable cartridges that allow one to swap
> > > IDE disk drives when the PC is shut down, i.e. cold-swapping.
> > > 
> > > Is there a way to hot-swap IDE drives like it it possible with 
> > > SCSI drives?  The 'net research I've done indicates that it is
> > > not possible, but I wonder if I have missed anything.
> > 
> > I've hot-swapped IDE drives before. It's certainly doable, although
> > I wouldn't recommend it. Why do you want to hot-swap it, anyway?
> 
> Cheaper then a zip disk I guess...

Not cheaper than a ZIP250, but 
- a 40GB disk is 160x the capacity
- infinitely more durable
- faster

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rp-pppoe

[Peter Donaldson]

Anyone know if there is a new version of rp-pppoe 
that will work with the 2.4.16 kernel???

Re: OT: Hot-swappable IDE drives - fun stuff

[Alvin Oga]

hi ya ron

i think its possible...
donno why "nobody does it... per se"

found some supposed "hot swap IDE drive bays"...

http://www.Linux-1U.net/Parts/#SCA
( drive bays are just above it )

i think you can tell the system that the drive is NOT ready
while the drive is offline... swap it out... do your magic...
and than put it back online ???
- tricky though if the new disk is clean
that it'd need to be re-sync'd before it can be
put back online and the cpu merrily keeps writing
new data to it

there is a hotswap ide drive project.. looking to do this right ??
http://www.linux-ide.org/

- why does one need hotswap ??? how often does an IDE disk die ???
- i'd worry more aobut power cables, ethernet cables being jiggled
- i'd worry about cpu and system fans dying
- i'd worry about power supply dying
- i'd worry about "users/developers"

Various reasons for disk  failures...
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c ya
alvin

On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Ron Johnson wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I know that there are removable cartridges that allow one to swap
> IDE disk drives when the PC is shut down, i.e. cold-swapping.
> 
> Is there a way to hot-swap IDE drives like it it possible with 
> SCSI drives?  The 'net research I've done indicates that it is
> not possible, but I wonder if I have missed anything.
> 
> TIA,
> Ron
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> 
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RE:OT: Hot-swappable IDE drives

[Andrew Agno]

Take a look at http://www.agate.com/

And in particular,
http://www.agatetech.com/products_shuttle.html

I've never used it, but it looks interesting, and claims to support
Linux.

Andrew.

Re: Perl and CPAN

[Nathan E Norman]

On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 06:00:20PM -0500, stan wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 11:32:37PM +0100, Frodo Baggins wrote:
> > 06/02/2002 14.52.17, Paul Hampson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto:
> > 
> > >On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 08:33:39AM -0500, Chris Hilts wrote:
> > >> The installation instructions of a piece of software I'm considering
> > >> asks me to fetch several (ok, a lot of) modules from CPAN.  Since this
> > >> will be adding software to my Debian system, is this safe?  Is there a
> > >> Debianized way to do this?
> > >
> > >dh-make-perl
> > >
> So where does one find this wonderful tool?

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ $ apt-cache showpkg dh-make-perl
 Package: dh-make-perl
 Versions: 
 
0.9(/var/lib/apt/lists/141.213.4.21_debian_dists_woody_main_binary-i386_Packages)(/var/lib/apt/lists/141.213.4.21_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages)(/var/lib/dpkg/status)
 
 Reverse Depends: 
 Dependencies: 
 0.9 - debhelper (2 3.0.0) libpod-parser-perl (0 (null)) perl (0
 (null)) make (0 (null)) dpkg-dev (0 (null)) fakeroot (0 (null)) 
 Provides: 
 0.9 - 
 Reverse Provides: 

Looks like it's in woody and sid
 
> I assume it lets you build a current version of perl, and install it The 
> Debian Way (tm),
> correct?

Not exactly [1]

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ $ apt-cache show dh-make-perl
 Package: dh-make-perl
 Priority: optional
 Section: devel
 Installed-Size: 92
 Maintainer: Paolo Molaro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Architecture: all
 Version: 0.9
 Depends: debhelper (>= 3.0.0), libpod-parser-perl, perl, make,
 dpkg-dev, fakeroot
 Filename: pool/main/d/dh-make-perl/dh-make-perl_0.9_all.deb
 Size: 13150
 MD5sum: a45fc4ee33708e9120b54e64671d3134
 Description: Create debian packages from perl modules
  dh-make-perl will create the files required to build
  a debian source package out of a perl package.
  This works for most simple packages and is also useful
  for getting started with packaging perl modules.
  Given a perl package name, it can also automatically download it from CPAN.

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Re: OT: Hot-swappable IDE drives

[CaT]

On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 05:23:19PM -0600, Dimitri Maziuk wrote:
> * Ron Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I know that there are removable cartridges that allow one to swap
> > IDE disk drives when the PC is shut down, i.e. cold-swapping.
> > 
> > Is there a way to hot-swap IDE drives like it it possible with 
> > SCSI drives?  The 'net research I've done indicates that it is
> > not possible, but I wonder if I have missed anything.
> 
> I've hot-swapped IDE drives before. It's certainly doable, although
> I wouldn't recommend it. Why do you want to hot-swap it, anyway?

Cheaper then a zip disk I guess...

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Re: OT: Hot-swappable IDE drives

[Dimitri Maziuk]

* Ron Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) spake thusly:
> Hi,
> 
> I know that there are removable cartridges that allow one to swap
> IDE disk drives when the PC is shut down, i.e. cold-swapping.
> 
> Is there a way to hot-swap IDE drives like it it possible with 
> SCSI drives?  The 'net research I've done indicates that it is
> not possible, but I wonder if I have missed anything.

I've hot-swapped IDE drives before. It's certainly doable, although
I wouldn't recommend it. Why do you want to hot-swap it, anyway?

Dima

OT: Hot-swappable IDE drives

[Ron Johnson]

Hi,

I know that there are removable cartridges that allow one to swap
IDE disk drives when the PC is shut down, i.e. cold-swapping.

Is there a way to hot-swap IDE drives like it it possible with 
SCSI drives?  The 'net research I've done indicates that it is
not possible, but I wonder if I have missed anything.

TIA,
Ron
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Re: Perl and CPAN

[stan]

On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 11:32:37PM +0100, Frodo Baggins wrote:
> 06/02/2002 14.52.17, Paul Hampson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto:
> 
> >On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 08:33:39AM -0500, Chris Hilts wrote:
> >> The installation instructions of a piece of software I'm considering
> >> asks me to fetch several (ok, a lot of) modules from CPAN.  Since this
> >> will be adding software to my Debian system, is this safe?  Is there a
> >> Debianized way to do this?
> >
> >dh-make-perl
> >
So where does one find this wonderful tool?

I assume it lets you build a current version of perl, and install it The Debian 
Way (tm),
correct?

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neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin

Re: Perl and CPAN

[Frodo Baggins]

06/02/2002 14.52.17, Paul Hampson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto:

>On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 08:33:39AM -0500, Chris Hilts wrote:
>> The installation instructions of a piece of software I'm considering
>> asks me to fetch several (ok, a lot of) modules from CPAN.  Since this
>> will be adding software to my Debian system, is this safe?  Is there a
>> Debianized way to do this?
>
>dh-make-perl
>
>It's exactly what you're looking for. :-)
>

But, there is not a debian version of the CPAN Module?

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Re: freeware purify like memory checker ?

[Carl Johnson]

Leif Thuresson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Does anybody know a of freeware memory checker
> they can recommend ?
> I would of cause like to have purify, but it is way out of my budget.

You might also want to look at electric-fence (debian package), in
addition to those others have suggested.

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Re: A permanent block cursor

[Leonardo F. S. Boiko]

> How I can make a *permanent* block cursor? I remember setterm has a
> '-store' option, but unlike freebsd, linux setterm don't know how to control
> the cursor.
I figured a way to do it (not very elegant, but it's better than a cron
job :)
CURSOR=$(echo -n -e '\033[?17;2;32c')
export PS1="$CURSOR \h \$ "
in my .bashrc will do the trick.

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Re: Solution to: /initrd/lib/modules doesn't exist for make-kpkg made kernel--> does not boot?

[Eduard Bloch]

#include 
Walter Tautz wrote on Wed Feb 06, 2002 um 03:31:31PM:

> The solution is to edit /etc/mkinitrd/modules and add ext2 and ext3. Then
> all is well and one gets a initrd kernel built properly. It should be noted

If that was the solution, please file a critical bug against
initrd-tools. Now. I hope that Herbert will hear if more people report
bugs ABOUT SUCH inflexible behaviour of mkinitrd which can be improved
easily.

> that my config file was the same one as the stock binary kernel package
> 2.4.17-686 that is available in debian/woody. Perhaps some kind of warning
> should be issued by the make-kpkg package to the effect that might have to
> edit some files.

It should fail on installation it the filesystem is not know. If it does
not, than the problem is critical.

Gruss/Regards,
Eduard.
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Anwender2: Ein halbes Jahr ohne Strom - das ist hart!

Re: ximian Install

[Jason M. Harvey]

On Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 09:41:03PM +, Geoff Beaumont wrote:
<-- snip -->
| yet. It will also only work with Exchange 2000 initially:
| 
| 
http://www.ximian.com/about_us/press_center/press_releases/ximian_connector.html
| 
| That said, if your Exchange server is set up to export it's mail folders
| using IMAP and contacts as LDAP (or if you can persuade the admin to do
| so) then Evo can access these anyway - the installation of Evo that I'm
| writing this on accesses the Exchange server at work in this way.
| 
| -- 
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| 
oh, i see. so, if the alias is set up right, you can use it with imap
the same way you would with netscape and other imap clients. so, i guess
the add-on package gives you use of the calendar and journal stuff??

/jason is dreaming of running linux as a 'workstation' in the office one
day, but for now is happy to have a server in the datacenter.

thanks,
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Re: ximian Install

[Geoff Beaumont]

On Wed, 2002-02-06 at 21:17, Jason M. Harvey wrote:
> by "windows exchange domain" are you referring to an exchange server or
> a domain logon? 'cause samba should be able to handle all the file/print
> sharing with a windows network. if you mean exchange server, well yes,
> i've heard and seen (not used) evolution works nicely with exchange -
> but afaik, ximian changes for the "exchange add-on" for evolution.

The Exchange plugin for Evo will be a commercial add-on and it isn't out
yet. It will also only work with Exchange 2000 initially:

http://www.ximian.com/about_us/press_center/press_releases/ximian_connector.html

That said, if your Exchange server is set up to export it's mail folders
using IMAP and contacts as LDAP (or if you can persuade the admin to do
so) then Evo can access these anyway - the installation of Evo that I'm
writing this on accesses the Exchange server at work in this way.

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Re: [SLL] Test module: Version conflict on a hello.o

[Xeno Campanoli]

Xeno Campanoli wrote:
> 
> I'm trying to do the example on pages 13-14 of Rubini's Linux Device

> inneal:~/study# insmod hello.o
> hello.o: kernel-module version mismatch
> hello.o was compiled for kernel version 2.2.20
> while this kernel is version 2.2.19.
> 
> and it doesn't show up in an lsmod listing.  When I do the command:
> 
> insmod -f hello.o
> 
> it shows up in the lsmod listing, but I don't get the printk output,
> either in the log, or interactively.  Anyone know what's going on here?

Okay, to get full closure on this, now that I've got the answers, I'll
cover the where, as well as the what:

1)  Where:  There is a web page called kernelnewbies.org (see my main
web page, second column) that tries to be a clearing house for incipient
kwhackers.  That was my best start.  Then, after figuring out a usable
client (circus worked reasonably for me once I looked hard enough) I
just got on the #kernelnewbies channel of irc.openprojects.net and asked
the question.  People are very friendly there, so I recommend that.  If
anybody find a better irc client that isn't broken in debian, please let
me know.

2)  What:  Then, the answers to my problem, which is, as I assumed, was
a minor value to me of this exercise, but nevertheless an important
step, was as follows:

i.  You can't do it like Rubini does it on pp 14 anymore, and "that
hasn't worked that way for years" is an accurate paraphrase of what I
was told.  Part of my problem was that somehow, possibly due to a bug,
or maybe for a security hack, version 2.2.19 as installed on my
Debian/Stable had the version.h file listing the version as 2.2.20 in
the /usr/include/linux/version.h file.  I was instructed to do:

gcc -I/whereevertherightbasedirectoryis/include -c hello.o

The result was then that I got the output in /var/log/kern.log, and all
without specifying -f to insmod.  By then going to the
(--) console and re-running my insmod hello.o after
giving the setting setterm -msg on, I was able to get the "Hello, world"
output to my shell as per the example and now I'm on my way to wherever
else that takes me.

I still haven't been told why debian has the 2.2.20 version, instead of
the 2.2.19, and I still suspect it's a security hack, so please someone
email me if that's the case and I'll shut up about it, or otherwise.  I
really really want to know.

Seeyalaternicetameecha.


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Re: Auctex/LaTeX/Emacs problem

[Richard Cobbe]

Lo, on Monday, February 4, Ryan Claycamp did write:

> On Mon, Feb 04, 2002 at 04:08:52PM -0600, Richard Cobbe wrote:
> > Lo, on Sunday, February 3, Ryan Claycamp did write:
> > 
> > > I have lost the color markings in xemacs when I edit a LaTeX file.  I
> > > am running woody and I think it happened after I updated to the new
> > > version of auctex.  I noticed that when auctex installed, it said
> > > something like emacsen ignoring flavor xemacs.  How do I get the color
> > > back in xemacs when it is editing LaTeX files?  I really enjoyed that
> > > feature.
> > 
> > IIRC, xemacs comes with its own copy of AUCTeX, which explains the
> > `ignore' error message.
> > 
> > Assuming that you've got font-locking on in other editing modes, simply
> > adding (require 'font-latex) to your .emacs file should do the trick.
> > 
> 
> Thank you.  That did the trick, at least for xemacs.  I put the
> command in both my .emacs file and .xemacs/init.el.  It didn't work
> for emacs, but I don't have any color in emacs.  That is another worry
> for another time as I mainly use xemacs for my editor.

It's been a while since I've used plain FSF emacs, but I think
font-latex will work with both.  However, it assumes that you've already
got basic font locking turned on, and the method for doing that differs
between the two editors: check the manuals for details.  (My .emacs file
is set up in such a way that I can't easily look this up and paste it
here.)

Richard

OpenOffice 641C won't install on woody

[Dennis van Dok]

Others have seen this bug in an earlier thread, but I was wondering if
anyone had a solution.

Somebody suggested installing libgpcl0, but it didn't work for me.

Upon unpacking I see a popup with a progress bar, suggesting something
is being unpacked, but other than the message

glibc version: 2.2.4

nothing happens...


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Re: ximian Install

[Jason M. Harvey]

On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 12:57:47PM -0800, Tim Grogan wrote:
| Thanks Jason,
| 
| I've got kde2 up and running and I really like it.  The main reason I was
| looking at ximian was that it supposedly can connect into a windows exchange
| domain.  That way I could blow away my w2k and put debian on my laptop.
| 
| Tim
| 
| > On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 07:08:17AM -0800, Tim Grogan wrote:
<-- snip -->

great! i was just recently turned onto kde (at linux world expo). kde2
is much better than kde was a year or two ago.

by "windows exchange domain" are you referring to an exchange server or
a domain logon? 'cause samba should be able to handle all the file/print
sharing with a windows network. if you mean exchange server, well yes,
i've heard and seen (not used) evolution works nicely with exchange -
but afaik, ximian changes for the "exchange add-on" for evolution.

good luck,
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Re: ximian Install

[Tim Grogan]

Thanks Jason,

I've got kde2 up and running and I really like it.  The main reason I was
looking at ximian was that it supposedly can connect into a windows exchange
domain.  That way I could blow away my w2k and put debian on my laptop.

Tim

> On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 07:08:17AM -0800, Tim Grogan wrote:
> | Has anyone installed ximian-gnome on woody 2.2.20?  Thanks.
> |
> | Tim
> |
> |
>
> hello,
>
> my very first install was storm. then i went to potato, then woody.
> storm came with ximian. when i dist-upgraded from potato (w/ ximian) to
> woody, gnome gave me many problems, on two machines! so, i later purged
> all ximian and went with the gnome packages from debian. they are much
> better. i'm not sure if you'll be giving up anything by not choosing
> ximian (like red-carpet or evolution), just an option.
> who knows, it may even be different in your case since you're not
> upgrading an already-working ximian!
>
> ~jason
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Re: ximian Install

[Geoff Beaumont]

On Wed, 2002-02-06 at 20:04, Jason M. Harvey wrote:
> my very first install was storm. then i went to potato, then woody.
> storm came with ximian. when i dist-upgraded from potato (w/ ximian) to
> woody, gnome gave me many problems, on two machines! so, i later purged
> all ximian and went with the gnome packages from debian. they are much
> better. i'm not sure if you'll be giving up anything by not choosing
> ximian (like red-carpet or evolution),

Not sure about Red Carpet (if you want a nice gui installer try Storm
Package), but Evolution isn't in Woody yet. It's very easy to install
from unstable though, along with the two or three dependancies that
aren't satisfied by Woody.

I've also had trouble with the Ximian packages, partly with dependancy
problems (understandable on Woody - it's a bit of a moving target), but
also with broken packages, usually missing files. I eventually wiped all
traces of GNOME from my system and installed the standard Debian
packages, which I've found much better.

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Re: How can I get mutt to dlete an entire thread?

[Stig Brautaset]

* stan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spake thus:
> Still tweaking on my uutt config
> 
> I have it set up so that all threads are compressed when I enter
> a folder. 

folder-hook . push "\eV"

> I would like to be able to mark all messages in a given
> thread as deleted from the index screen. At present if I hit "d"
> only the message at the root of the thread is deleted.

^d

Stig

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Re: Re: journalling filesystems comparison (was ReiserFS, ext3 (waspraise to the debian gods))

[John Cichy]

I want to thank everyone for their thoughts on journaling file systems. Sorry 
for posting and not answering until now, but you all gave me a lot to review!!

Have a great day...
John

Re: Creating boot floppies

[Martin Wuertele]

Hi Bill!

On Wed, 06 Feb 2002, Bill Wohler wrote:
>   Thanks for the pointer. This is what I was looking for. I ran:
> 
> mkboot /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.17-686-smp
>   
>   However, this creates a floppy that panics when it tries to mount the
>   root filesystem. Something about device 302. My root filesystem is on
>   /dev/hda2. I tried adding the -r /dev/hda2 option to no avail.
>   Thoughts?

looks like you're using a debian supplied kernel that uses initrd. i don't
know if mkboot works with initrd, i don't use it but compile kernels
myself. you maybe want to give that a try. otherwise man lilo.conf
regarding initrd for the floppy might help

> > otherwise you want should take a look at the mkrboot package
> 
>   Another good pointer. Any suggestions on its use? I tried it with the
>   lilo loader, and it wants a file called root.bin which is nowhere to
>   be seen. The man page does not indicate how to make it, nor does
>   /usr/share/doc/mkrboot offer any examples (I suppose I should write up
>   a bug report against mkrboot for that).

root.bin is a gzip compressed image of a root file system as used on the
debian install disks (rescue, root,), see section 9.2f of the debian
installation instructions
(http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-boot-floppy-techinfo.en.html#s9.2)

a bug report regarding lacking docs would be great.

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Re: Problem with windows partition

[William Lacy]

Thanks Andrew- that worked.

Now that I have researched this I believe that grub was installed by Red
Hat (which was on the machine when I started) and pointed to the Linux partition
that I had overwritten- hence grub was stumped.

In any event I learned a lot and lilo -u /dev/hda1 worked!

Thanks a bunch!


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  By default lilo creates a backup of the boot sector in /boot so if you use lilo -u or -U /dev/hda1 it should restore it... If youread thru the lilo man page it will tell you more... Its rescued me on one or two occasions... -- Andrew On Tue, 2002-02-05 at 23:00, William Lacy wrote: 
  
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Solution to: /initrd/lib/modules doesn't exist for make-kpkg made kernel--> does not boot?

[Walter Tautz]

On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, Ben Collins wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 05, 2002 at 11:53:09AM -0500, Walter Tautz wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, Ben Collins wrote:
> > 
> > > On Tue, Feb 05, 2002 at 11:28:58AM -0500, Walter Tautz wrote:
> > > > I can't get a make-kpkg kernel to boot. It can't mount the root fs. Note
> > > > I am using initrd and compiled make-kpkg with --initrd. One difference
> > > > I notice with the stock kernel and mine is:
> > > > 
> > > > # locate ext3
> > > > /initrd/lib/modules/2.4.17-686/kernel/fs/ext3
> > > > /initrd/lib/modules/2.4.17-686/kernel/fs/ext3/ext3.o
> > > > /lib/modules/2.4.17-686/kernel/fs/ext3
> > > > /lib/modules/2.4.17-686/kernel/fs/ext3/ext3.o
> > > > /lib/modules/2.4.17mfcf/kernel/fs/ext3
> > > > /lib/modules/2.4.17mfcf/kernel/fs/ext3/ext3.o
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Perhaps this accounts for the difference in behaviour, i.e. 2.4.17-686 
> > > > boots
> > > > but mine 2.4.17mfcf does not? Gives a VHS kernel panic message to the 
> > > > effect
> > > > it can't mount the root file system. Note I am using ext3 on the root
> > > > 
> > > > in the fstab I put in ext3,ext2 for the type.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Can it not mount the initrd root, or the main root? If it can't mount
> > > the initrd root, maybe you forgot ramdisk/initrd support.
> > > 
> > # grep -i initrd config-2.*
> > config-2.4.17-686:CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD=y
> > config-2.4.17mfcf:CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD=y
> > 
> >  
> >  while running 2.4.17-686 cat /proc/mounts gives:
> > 
> >  # cat /proc/mounts
> >  /dev/root.old /initrd cramfs rw 0 0
> >  /dev/root / ext2 rw 0 0
> >  proc /proc proc rw 0 0
> >  devpts /dev/pts devpts rw 0 0
> >  /dev/hda8 /var ext3 rw 0 0
> >  none /proc/bus/usb usbdevfs rw 0 0
> >  /dev/hda7 /fsys1 ext3 rw 0 0
> >  /dev/hdb5 /home ext3 rw 0 0
> >  /dev/hdb6 /potato ext2 rw 0 0
> 
> Do you have cramfs built into the kernel? If so, then it sounds like
> mkinitrd is not copying the ext3.o module to the initrd image, which
> means it cannot mount the ext3 rootfs.
> 
> 

The solution is to edit /etc/mkinitrd/modules and add ext2 and ext3. Then
all is well and one gets a initrd kernel built properly. It should be noted
that my config file was the same one as the stock binary kernel package
2.4.17-686 that is available in debian/woody. Perhaps some kind of warning
should be issued by the make-kpkg package to the effect that might have to
edit some files.


-walter

Re: kernel panic---operator panic too

[Gary Turner]

On Wed, 06 Feb 2002 12:15:14 -0500, dman wrote:

>On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 02:24:35AM -0600, Gary Turner wrote:
>| I just upgraded the kernel to 2.4.17 in a deb package.  The install
>| apparently went ok.  On reboot I got the following:
>| 
>| >request_module[block-major-31]: Root fs not mounted
>| >VFS: Cannot open root device "303" or 03:03
>| >please append a correct "root=" boot option
>| >kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 03:03
>| 
>| Obviously this is hand copied.
>| 
>| hda3 is my root partition
>| 
>| Now as near as I can make out,  the "root=" boot option must refer to
>| /etc/lilo.conf.
>
>If LILO is your bootloader, then, sort-of.  The "root=" refers to the
>kernel command line, which is set by the bootloader, and the
>bootloader knows what to set from its config file.

/etc/lilo.conf has "root=/dev/hda3"
>
>| Of which there is none on my system.

I blame sleep deprivation for not seeing it.  See the time above.
>
>What is your bootloader?  If you're using grub, you won't have a
>lilo.conf ;-).
>
>| Or, is there something completely different to do?
>
>The thing to do is fix the problem ;-).  Some things to check :
>
>o   did you build the kernel yourself?
>o   does the kernel include the driver for your disk controller?
>o   does the kernel include support for your root filesystem?
>o   are you using an initrd or no?
>
This is a straight apt-get install.  Q2&3 I hope so.  Q4--I have
/initrd, and for some reason (see sleep note above) I added the line
"initrd=/initrd.img" to lilo.conf.  Actually I recall that the install
conf told me to do that.  From your comment on an earlier post, I should
have included the version, as "/initrd.img-2.4.17-686".  Verification?


>Do you have an operational machine you can use in the meantime?  I

Yes.  I can boot to 2.2 kernel since help from the list.

>find grub to be really easy to use.  Go grab the grub floppy image
>from the project page and dump it to a floppy.  Then you can
>interactively enter commands to try and boot your system.  If you get
>it right (assumes the kernel itself is complete) then install grub on
>the MBR and simply write those commands in the config file.
>Alternatively you can make a boot disk (from rescue.bin) and boot to
>either a minimial system (the "installer", go to vc2) or try using it
>to load your full system by specifying "rescue root=" at the
>LILO prompt.

The boot process has been so painless, that until now I haven't paid it
any attention.  If you're draining the swamp, the alligator biting at
your butt tends to get more attention than the lion roaring at the zoo.
The goal is to get back to a painless boot from HD first, then get back
to the swamp :<

BTW, dman, thanks for the help and when I migrate mail to the linbox,
I'll come looking for you :-)

gt
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Re: Alien/RPM keeps trying to kill KDE. Help?

[Chris Cheney]

On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 02:03:09PM -0500, Phil Edwards wrote:
> Okay, there's a software package out there which is being tracked by
> Debian, but only very slowly.  Some random guy built RPMs for it, so I
> thought I'd grab them, and then use either 'rpm' or 'alien' to put the
> package onto my testing/unstable machine.
> 
> Grief...
> 
> - alien wants rpm (and so do I, so it's not really alien's fault)
> 
> - rpm depends on librpm4
> 
> BUT
> 
> - librpm4 conflicts with librpm0, and
> 
> - something called "kpackage" depends on librpm0

This will hopefully be fixed very soon, since rpm had failed to build on
m68k but recently compiled correctly.

> I don't use kpackage, but I can't remove it, because
> 
> - kde depends on kpackage
> 
> So anytime I try to do anything with 'rpm' dselect/apt-get attempts to
> remove the entire KDE suite.

Are you sure? The package kde itself is only a metapackage, removing it
would not cause any other kde applications to be removed.

> Maybe a bug should be filed against KDE?  Why does it depend on kpackage?

kde is only a meta package which pulls in all/most of the kde packages
to make it easier to install.  The bug exists on rpm already and I
believe was fixed today, I haven't looked in the archive yet.

Chris

Re: X environment

[ben]

On Wednesday 06 February 2002 08:39 am, Terence Ng wrote:
> Oh! I am so sorry.  I mean after I type in startx, sometimes the window
> come out is in black and white, and it is jumping.  Then I have to quit and
> try to startx again.  Is X window not stable in Debian, or I miss some
> important packages to install?
>

possibly. have you run xf86config to set x up for your system?

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Re: ximian Install

[Jason M. Harvey]

On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 07:08:17AM -0800, Tim Grogan wrote:
| Has anyone installed ximian-gnome on woody 2.2.20?  Thanks.
| 
| Tim
| 
| 

hello,

my very first install was storm. then i went to potato, then woody.
storm came with ximian. when i dist-upgraded from potato (w/ ximian) to
woody, gnome gave me many problems, on two machines! so, i later purged
all ximian and went with the gnome packages from debian. they are much
better. i'm not sure if you'll be giving up anything by not choosing
ximian (like red-carpet or evolution), just an option. 
who knows, it may even be different in your case since you're not
upgrading an already-working ximian!

~jason

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Re: music cd not work

[csj]

On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 22:55:02 -0800 (PST)
"Paul 'Baloo' Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> No problem!  Sorry for the bad quote, figured it would be helpful to
> include the line of thought that came to the solution.
> 
> I really kinda wish it wasn't this inobvious to solve.  I have to wonder
> if SCSI CD players handle audio significantly differently or what?
> 
> On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, eric wrote:
> 
> > > > es1371 is the driver for SB128 sound cards, and also several other sound
> > > > cards. He's also got soundcore, so I don't think modules are the
> > > > problem. Unless maybe it's a problem with ide-scsi?
> > >
> > > Oh, yes, that didn't even register.  I put these in /usr/sbin on my
> > > system...
> > >
> > > /usr/sbin/music:
> > >
> > > rmmod sr_mod
> > > rmmod ide-scsi
> > > rmmod sg
> > > rmmod scsi_mod
> > > rmmod cdrom
> > > insmod cdrom
> > > insmod ide-cd
> > >
> > > /usr/sbin/burn:
> > >
> > > rmmod ide-cd
> > > rmmod cdrom
> > > insmod scsi_mod
> > > insmod sg
> > > insmod ide-scsi
> > > insmod cdrom
> > > insmod sr_mod

This looks more like a hack than a solution. ide-cd and ide-scsi can
coexist (but not for the same drive). 

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Re: [Re: Kernel 2.4.17 (smp) problems]

[Deva Seetharam]

>> Hi All,
>> i have a asuc cuv4x-d motherboard with dual pentium processors. currently,
i am running kernel 2.2.19 with smp.
 
>> now, i am trying to upgrade to kernel 2.4.17. algthough i am able to
>>install the kernel-image, the machine hangs when i reboot. i have >>
>>enabled RTC support,
>> disabled APM.
>> what else could be causing it? 

>Depends. Without any more information (e.g. last few messages on
>screen), you'll probably only receive guesses...

sorry, here are the last few messages before it dies...

deva


Feb  5 23:14:29 mathura kernel: Total of 2 processors activated (3742.10
BogoMIPS).
Feb  5 23:14:29 mathura kernel: enabling symmetric IO mode... ...done.
Feb  5 23:14:29 mathura kernel: ENABLING IO-APIC IRQs
Feb  5 23:14:29 mathura kernel: init IO_APIC IRQs
Feb  5 23:14:29 mathura kernel:  IO-APIC (apicid-pin) 2-5, 2-10, 2-11, 2-13,
2-17, 2-20, 2-21, 2-22, 2-23 not connected.
Feb  5 23:14:29 mathura kernel: probable hardware bug: clock timer
configuration lost - probably a VIA686a.
Feb  5 23:14:29 mathura kernel: probable hardware bug: restoring chip
configuration.
Feb  5 23:14:29 mathura kernel: number of MP IRQ sources: 16.
Feb  5 23:14:29 mathura kernel: number of IO-APIC #2 registers: 24.
Feb  5 23:14:29 mathura kernel: testing the IO APIC...
Feb  5 23:14:29 mathura kernel: 
Feb  5 23:14:29 mathura kernel: IO APIC #2..
Feb  5 23:14:29 mathura kernel:  register #00: 0200
Feb  5 23:14:29 mathura kernel: ...: physical APIC id: 02
Feb  5 23:14:29 mathura kernel:  register #01: 00178011
Feb  5 23:14:29 mathura kernel: ... : max redirection entries: 0017
Feb  5 23:14:29 mathura kernel: ... : IO APIC version: 0011
Feb  5 23:14:29 mathura kernel:  WARNING: unexpected IO-APIC, please mail
Feb  5 23:14:29 mathura kernel:   to linux-smp@vger.kernel.org
Feb  5 23:14:29 mathura kernel:  register #02: 0100
Feb  5 23:14:29 mathura kernel: ... : arbitration: 01



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Re: Creating boot floppies

[Thomas R. Shemanske]

Might it be the initrd issue?  You seem to be using a prebuilt kernel 
which uses initrd.  I just tried mkboot with a 2.4.17 kernel, and it 
works just fine.


Try examing the lilo.conf file on the floppy to see if there is an 
appropriate initrd line.


T

Bill Wohler wrote:


Martin Wuertele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


if you just need a boot disk to boot you system, not a rescue disk you
might want to use mkboot



  Thanks for the pointer. This is what I was looking for. I ran:

mkboot /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.17-686-smp
  
  However, this creates a floppy that panics when it tries to mount the

  root filesystem. Something about device 302. My root filesystem is on
  /dev/hda2. I tried adding the -r /dev/hda2 option to no avail.
  Thoughts?

Re: mysterious kernel panic at start up and it's workaround

[Gary Turner]

On Wed, 06 Feb 2002 12:22:47 -0500, dman wrote:

>On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 06:01:34AM -0600, Gary Turner wrote:
> 
>| I'm gonna feel pretty stupid about this, I think.  Like Aaron, I could
>| get a rescue disk to work.  No amount of fiddling  with "root=" or
>| "append=root=" in either lilo.conf or at boot would get 2.4 up and
>| running.
>
>Did you specify any "initrd" stuff?  I don't use lilo, but for grub
>the config looks like (with hda1 as root) :
>
>title   Debian GNU/Linux (2.4.17-k7 , 1280x1024x16)
>root(hd0,0)
>kernel  /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.17-k7 root=/dev/hda1 read-only video=vesa 
>vga=0x31A
>initrd  /boot/initrd.img-2.4.17-k7
>
>(the key is the "initrd" line at the end instead of a "boot" line)

OK, I added the line "initrd=/initrd.img" to the lilo.conf file last
night (don't remember why), but it should be
"initrd=/initrd.img-2.4.17-686"?

>| So I booted into "Linux-old" and went looking at files.  I
>| found appropriate links in / for both the old and the new (curiously,
>| the kernel 2.2 link is owned by me (as regular user) while the kernel
>| 2.4 link is owned by root).  In /boot I found:
>| 
>| -rwxr-xr-x  1 root   root   ... vmlinuz-2.2.17
>| -rw-r--r--  1 root   root   ... vmlinuz-2.4.17-686
>| 
>| Notice that 2.4 is not executable!  I think that a chmod +x might solve
>| the problem.  Right now, I'm too ditzy for sleep to be mucking around
>| with root privileges.  So, goodnight.
>
>I don't think that matters.  Permissions are a system thing (IOW, the
>kernel deals with it on a running system) and the boot loader isn't
>going to care.  The bootloader will read the file, stuff it in memory,
>and jump to its entry point.

You must be right.  Changing it to executable made no dif.

gt
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Re: Many apologies for auto-reply spam

[Ian Balchin]

Hi,

A note about Outlook Express and html

M$ obligingly left html as the default setting to ensure that they
could impose html as the new email standard and thus usurp the rich-text
standard previously used for jollying up plain text emails.

Even if you do not embolden one single line your Outlook email will
still go out as an html message.  You have to specifically turn this
off which you can do either globally or for selected addresses from
the address book function.  I do not have OE to hand so you will
have to investigate further where you do this on your own. Maybe you
also need to turn the multipart message feature off as well.

Rather get yourself Pegasus Mail for use on a M$ system anyway.

PS.  Congratulations, Dad.

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RE: Alsa on Dell OptiPlex GX1 (Debian/2.4.17/CS4236B)

[Greer, Darren \(MED\)]

Thanks for the input Elizabeth.  I have, with your suggestion, now been
able to get sound working.  For future reference (and maybe help someone
else along the way, this is my configuration:

System:
  Dell OptiPlex GX1
  Kernel 2.4.17
  Debian 2.2 upgraded to current unstable
  CS4236B On Board Audio
  PIII 600

1) Alsa compiled with isapnp=yes and debug=detect
2) Here is /etc/modules
soundcore
sound
snd-card-cs4236
snd-mixer-oss
3) Here is /etc/modules.conf
# Sound Config
alias /dev/dsp sound-server-0-3
alias snd-slot-0 snd-card-0
alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss
alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss
alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss
alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss
alias sound-service-0-12 snd-pcm-oss
alias char-major-116 snd
alias char-major-14 soundcore
options snd snd_major=116 snd_cards_limit=1
alias snd-card-0 snd-card-cs4236
options snd_index=1 snd-card-cs4236 snd_port=0x534 \
snd_cport=0x210 snd_mpu_port=0x220 snd_fm_port=0x388 \
snd_irq=5 snd_mpu_irq=7 snd_dma1=1
4) Here is /etc/isapnp.conf
(CONFIGURE CSC6835/-1 (LD 0
(DMA 0 (CHANNEL 1))
(DMA 1 (CHANNEL 0))
(INT 0 (IRQ 5 (MODE +E)))
(IO 0 (SIZE 4) (BASE 0x0534))
(IO 1 (SIZE 8) (BASE 0x0388))
(IO 2 (SIZE 16) (BASE 0x0220))
(NAME "CSC6835/-1[0]{WSS/SB }")
(ACT Y)
))

With the above setup, all is well after a reboot.  I was actually quite
surprised that on my first try with the isapnp.conf configuration that I
got everything to work.

Again, thanks Elizabeth for the suggestion,

Darren

-Original Message-
From: Elizabeth Barham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 8:46 AM
To: Greer, Darren (MED)
Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 'debian-user@lists.debian.org'
Subject: Re: Alsa on Dell OptiPlex GX1 (Debian/2.4.17/CS4236B)


"Greer, Darren (MED)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> First, after running /etc/init.d/alsasound start (output shown below),

> I cannot open the mixer...running aumix says "error opening mixer". 
> However, if I "modprobe snd-mixer-oss" it works.  So, the mixer thing 
> is my first challenge as to why it doesn't load up at first.

Consider adding snd-mixer-oss to your /etc/modules file. These are
loaded per default on boot.

> Second, after all is started up, I can hear the beep inmy speakers 
> when I hit backspace at an empty line on the console, but that is the 
> only audio I get.  Anything else I do results in: "Cannot open 
> /dev/dsp or /dev/sound/dsp".  Or trying to cat something to /dev/dsp 
> results in:
> "bash: /dev/dsp: No such device".  /dev/dsp does exist, and I have
> re-compile alsa and re-run ./snddevices to be sure they are being
> created.

I had this problem on my ppc machine because the correct modules were
not loaded. By adding them to /etc/modules, the problem was corrected.

> Third, I read somewhere that the cannot IRQ 0 is due to PnP OS being 
> on in the BIOS.  Well, on this machine that is not an option in the 
> BIOS. I have just flashed the BIOS to the newest version to be sure I 
> was not missing anything.  So, suggestions there would be great.  
> Although, I am not using midi on this thing, so if MPU401 is strictly 
> needed for midi, I could pass if no one has a solution.

Hopefully I won't be telling you anything you don't already know:

If you have the isapnptools package installed, you should have the
command-line tools isapnp(8) and pnpdump(8)available. pnpdump(8)
provides you with a listing of PNP devices in your machine somewhat akin
to /proc/isapnp. By saving pnpdump's output to a file, you have a pretty
handy isapnp configuration file which you can edit and modify with any
text editor - making sure you enable the device and change (if
necessary) it's IRQ's and memory to something the machine can work with.
See the manpages for more information.

hope this helps,
Elizabeth


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Re: W32/Myparty

[csj]

On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 21:06:52 -0500
"Jeremy Gaddis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Gary,
> 
> I also run Free Agent, though just for the newsgroups.
> My MUA of choice is Outlook (no flames please, I'm tired
> of them) and I have actually never had any problems with
> it.  I do virus scanning on the mail gateway, before it
> even gets to reaching Outlook and by disabling a majority
> of attachments (.doc, .vbs, etc.) it isn't too much to
> worry about.

Wouldn't it be nicer if you didn't have to scan email? Email viruses
shouldn't exist in the first place. They're a totally unnecessary evil
(unlike trojan horses and boot-sector viruses),

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Re: bash question.

[Ron Johnson]

On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 20:30:47 +0200 (EET) "Petrov M.I." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi All.
> I write small script:
>  #!/bin/bash
>  echo -e "...PJL commands..." | cat > /dev/lp0

Try adding a newline:
   echo -e "...PJL commands...\n" | cat > /dev/lp0

>  cat /dev/lp0

???

> When I try it run I get nothing.
> When I run this script two time (one after the other)
> I get informations.
> I need write to & read from /dev/lp0 in one & the same
> script. How do this do? Any help appreciated.

How do you _read_ from the printer, which is an output device?
Are you trying to get status info back from the printer?  You'd
need something more low-level than bash for that.

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Re: delayed transfer of mail to Pine

[Paul E Condon]

On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 10:53:39AM -0600, Mark S. Reglewski wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 10:15:38AM -0600, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
> > I am using fetchmail and pine; lately I am noticing something that didn't
> > happen before, so I wonder if it has to do with an upgrade of fetchmail.
> > When I fetch my mail, my primary pop3 usually has at least a couple
> > hundred messages, and all of them are fetched. But when I get into Pine,
> > only 100 of those messages are present, plus the smaller numbers of
> > messages from my other email providers. This wouldn't bother me, except
> > that it is sometimes fifteen minutes or more before the rest of those
> > messages finally appear in my Pine inbox. What's going on here? At first,
> > I thought I was losing mail; it does all eventually get to the inbox, but
> > why the big delay?
> 
> If you are using exim as your MTA, edit /etc/exim.conf and change the value
> of smtp_accept_queue_per_connection to a sane value for your mail volume.
> The default value is 10.  For a smarthost set-up, I believe this is changed
> to 100, which is way too low if you subscribe to active mail lists like 
> debian-user.  What is happening is that exim is queueing everything over 
> 100 messages for later delivery.  
> 
> Either set the value to a very high number that will allow delivery of all
> mails in one connection, or set it to zero to disable the feature.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
I'm using fetchmail/exim/mutt (not pine). I looked at my exim.conf just now.
I find that I have

smtp_accept_queue_per_connection = 100

but I have never noticed a delay in lots of mail showing up in mutt.
I think there may be something else involved in Cheryl's problem, but I'm
not sufficiently skilled at this to make an intelligent suggestion.

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Re: Parsing a file name in the shell

[Nathan E Norman]

On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 10:26:47AM -0500, Ron Mullins wrote:
> Can someone help me this? We run a FTP server that has constant
> scriptkiddie activity, i.e. uploading of warez. I would like to automate
> the removing of directories, as they are always a number, but I can't
> figure out how to test whether the name is or starts with a number.
> 
> Does anyone have some good ideas or experience with this? Shell
> scripting isn't one of my strong points. The server is Debian Woody.
> Please CC me as I am not currently subscribed to the list.
> 
> P.S. I'm using Pure-FTP and have it setup so that the Warez cannot be
> downloaded, so they can't get it back off, but it is annoying to have to
> do this manually. Annonymous uploads are needed so I can't turn that
> feature off. Thanks in advance.

I see other people have replied with shell solutions ... I'm wondering
if your problem couldn't be solved administratively.

Right now, I assume you have a world writable dir like "upload" and
the script kiddies are putting warez in there.  The way I've seen this
problem solved most often is you set the perms on upload to "0111",
and then create writable subdirectories in upload as required.  For
example, when customer foo needs to upload, create a dir
"upload/foo-02052002" and tell them to cd there before doing the
upload.

If this doesn't fit into the way your server works, sorry for wasting
your time :)

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Alien/RPM keeps trying to kill KDE. Help?

[Phil Edwards]

Okay, there's a software package out there which is being tracked by
Debian, but only very slowly.  Some random guy built RPMs for it, so I
thought I'd grab them, and then use either 'rpm' or 'alien' to put the
package onto my testing/unstable machine.

Grief...

- alien wants rpm (and so do I, so it's not really alien's fault)

- rpm depends on librpm4

BUT

- librpm4 conflicts with librpm0, and

- something called "kpackage" depends on librpm0

I don't use kpackage, but I can't remove it, because

- kde depends on kpackage

So anytime I try to do anything with 'rpm' dselect/apt-get attempts to
remove the entire KDE suite.

Maybe a bug should be filed against KDE?  Why does it depend on kpackage?


I'm not subscribed to either of these lists, so please cc me on any replies.
Phil

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Re: freeware purify like memory checker ?

[J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)]

On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 16:02:55 +0100, Leif Thuresson wrote:
> Does anybody know a of freeware memory checker they can recommend ?

http://www.cs.colorado.edu/homes/zorn/public_html/MallocDebug.html lists a
number of tools (both free and proprietary).

HTH,
Ray
-- 
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around it.
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Re: .xsession fatal to X...?

[Cameron Kerr]

On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Tom Schuetz wrote:

>My X-Windows works fine, until I try to employ an .xsession file.

Make .xsession executable, and link it to .xinitrc (Debian uses .xinitrc
in startx, other distros use .xsession or .xinitrc, meaning the same
thing)

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Re: delayed transfer of mail to Pine

[Cheryl Homiak]

On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Mark S. Reglewski wrote:

>
> If you are using exim as your MTA, edit /etc/exim.conf and change the value
> of smtp_accept_queue_per_connection to a sane value for your mail volume.
> The default value is 10.  For a smarthost set-up, I believe this is changed
> to 100,

Yes, it was set to 100, so that was probably the problem. Thank you.
>
>
>

-- 
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Re: Mutt

[Stephen Gran]

Thus spake Terence Ng:
> Glyn:
> 
> What if I get:
> 
> -rw--- 1 ngterry  root  494616 Feb 7 00:01  /var/spool/mail/ngterry
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Terence Ng
chmod 0660 /var/spool/mail/ngterry
chown ngterry:mail /var/spool/mail/ngterry

All as root.  Those are the defaults.  Not quite sure why yours are
off.
Steve
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... when fits of creativity run strong, more than one programmer or writer
has been known to abandon the desktop for the more spacious floor.
-- Fred Brooks


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bash question.

[Petrov M.I.]

Hi All.
I write small script:
 #!/bin/bash
 echo -e "...PJL commands..." | cat > /dev/lp0
 cat /dev/lp0
When I try it run I get nothing.
When I run this script two time (one after the other)
I get informations.
I need write to & read from /dev/lp0 in one & the same
script. How do this do? Any help appreciated.
Thanks.
 

Re: delayed transfer of mail to Pine

[Cheryl Homiak]

I'm using the pine-bin.linux from Pine's ftp site. I did this instead of
compiling from source because I've never been able to figure out how to
get it to compile on debian. Using version 4.44.

-- 
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Re: Creating boot floppies

[Bill Wohler]

Martin Wuertele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> if you just need a boot disk to boot you system, not a rescue disk you
> might want to use mkboot

  Thanks for the pointer. This is what I was looking for. I ran:

mkboot /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.17-686-smp
  
  However, this creates a floppy that panics when it tries to mount the
  root filesystem. Something about device 302. My root filesystem is on
  /dev/hda2. I tried adding the -r /dev/hda2 option to no avail.
  Thoughts?

> otherwise you want should take a look at the mkrboot package

  Another good pointer. Any suggestions on its use? I tried it with the
  lilo loader, and it wants a file called root.bin which is nowhere to
  be seen. The man page does not indicate how to make it, nor does
  /usr/share/doc/mkrboot offer any examples (I suppose I should write up
  a bug report against mkrboot for that).

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Re: pppoe

[Colin Watson]

On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 09:38:30AM -0800, Anton Graham wrote:
> With Woody base frozen, is there any plan to move the pppoe package to
> base?

I thought it already was. Certainly debootstrap thinks it's part of
base, and it's part of the basedebs.tar available in
debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/base-images-current/.

Cheers,

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pppoe

[Anton Graham]

With Woody base frozen, is there any plan to move the pppoe package to
base?  This would greatly simplify setting up initial adsl connections
for the majority of US adsl subscribers.  As it stands now, one must
download the basedebs.tgz, appropriate boot floppies and matching
drivers, and the pppoe package prior to doing the install if you wish to
apt-get the rest.  With the fairly widespread use of pppoe on adsl
lines, and the ever-widening availability of such service, I think that
having to grab the package separately in order to set up your internet
connection is an over-complication.

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Re: kernel panic---operator panic too

[dman]

On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 02:24:35AM -0600, Gary Turner wrote:
| I just upgraded the kernel to 2.4.17 in a deb package.  The install
| apparently went ok.  On reboot I got the following:
| 
| >request_module[block-major-31]: Root fs not mounted
| >VFS: Cannot open root device "303" or 03:03
| >please append a correct "root=" boot option
| >kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 03:03
| 
| Obviously this is hand copied.
| 
| hda3 is my root partition
| 
| Now as near as I can make out,  the "root=" boot option must refer to
| /etc/lilo.conf.

If LILO is your bootloader, then, sort-of.  The "root=" refers to the
kernel command line, which is set by the bootloader, and the
bootloader knows what to set from its config file.

| Of which there is none on my system.

What is your bootloader?  If you're using grub, you won't have a
lilo.conf ;-).

| Or, is there something completely different to do?

The thing to do is fix the problem ;-).  Some things to check :

o   did you build the kernel yourself?
o   does the kernel include the driver for your disk controller?
o   does the kernel include support for your root filesystem?
o   are you using an initrd or no?

| I think I got a little cocky and skipped over some critical pre-install
| step.  Fortunately I did decide to test my boot floppies before the
| install and found neither worked!  Attempts to create a good one
| failed!!  So I did a rawrite2 from a cd resc.bin which worked but is a
| pain.  Anyone willing to help save my bacon will be appreciated.

Do you have an operational machine you can use in the meantime?  I
find grub to be really easy to use.  Go grab the grub floppy image
from the project page and dump it to a floppy.  Then you can
interactively enter commands to try and boot your system.  If you get
it right (assumes the kernel itself is complete) then install grub on
the MBR and simply write those commands in the config file.
Alternatively you can make a boot disk (from rescue.bin) and boot to
either a minimial system (the "installer", go to vc2) or try using it
to load your full system by specifying "rescue root=" at the
LILO prompt.

HTH,
-D

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Re: Power-off after Shutdown

[dman]

On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 11:36:16AM +0100, Vegh Karoly wrote:
| On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| 
| > I'm compiling a new kernel(2.4.17) for my laptop, and I know this may be
| > a newbie question, But what do I enable in the kernel to enable it to
| > automatically power off when shutdown is done?   >

| and dont forget the
| 
| append="apm=power-off"

That is for SMP kernels.  For non-SMP kernels use "apm=on".

Or check the "enable apm by default" option.

-D

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Re: CUPS and enscript

[Dave Sherohman]

On Tue, Feb 05, 2002 at 08:23:56PM -0500, dman wrote:
> What is your "raw" data?  Do people always spool only Postscript,
> plain text, and PCL?

Well, actually, yes...

> What will happen on your current setup if I try
> lp -d  foo.dvi
> or
> lp -d  foo.pdf
> ?

There are really only two people here who know enough to send a
file directly to a printer...  I'm a TeX/dvips/ps junkie and the
other guy tends to write PCL by hand.  All the rest of the people on
the network are "non-technical" users who load plain text into
StarOffice and hit the 'print' button.

You do have a good point, though, regardless.

> At work we have some jetdirect boxes too, and I found that I _can't_
> send a PDF file directly with 'lp', if I set my spool to raw.

Never tried it myself, but I have been wondering about the limits of
the magic in those boxes.

> b)  a server to mediate between the workstations and the jetdirect
> box to convert from whatever data format the user wants to
> throw at it to a data format the printer can actually
> understand

Our old setup was basically like this.  Then the server everything
was channeled through had the /var partition go physically bad...
We're putting it on a more robust box this time and switching from
lpd to CUPS, but the basic layout is staying the same.  CUPS just
always works so well with the JetDirects that the possible need for a
filter hadn't occurred to me until the DBA brought up enscript.

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lockd: cannot monitor 192.168.101.101

[Lance Heller]

OK, I've got my diskless workstation up running a virgin 2.2r5 and 
being served from an AIX 4.3.3 host.  All is sweetness and light 
except for long repetitions  of the subject message.  Both hosts are 
running lockd and statd but I notice that the Debian box has no files 
in '/var/lib/nfs/sm/'.  I've opened up the permissions for that 
directory but have the same result.  I've noticed no other abnormal 
behavior.  

What's up??

TIA

Lance

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Re: mysterious kernel panic at start up and it's workaround

[dman]

On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 06:01:34AM -0600, Gary Turner wrote:
 
| I'm gonna feel pretty stupid about this, I think.  Like Aaron, I could
| get a rescue disk to work.  No amount of fiddling  with "root=" or
| "append=root=" in either lilo.conf or at boot would get 2.4 up and
| running.

Did you specify any "initrd" stuff?  I don't use lilo, but for grub
the config looks like (with hda1 as root) :

title   Debian GNU/Linux (2.4.17-k7 , 1280x1024x16)
root(hd0,0)
kernel  /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.17-k7 root=/dev/hda1 read-only video=vesa 
vga=0x31A
initrd  /boot/initrd.img-2.4.17-k7


(the key is the "initrd" line at the end instead of a "boot" line)

| So I booted into "Linux-old" and went looking at files.  I
| found appropriate links in / for both the old and the new (curiously,
| the kernel 2.2 link is owned by me (as regular user) while the kernel
| 2.4 link is owned by root).  In /boot I found:
| 
| -rwxr-xr-x  1 root   root   ... vmlinuz-2.2.17
| -rw-r--r--  1 root   root   ... vmlinuz-2.4.17-686
| 
| Notice that 2.4 is not executable!  I think that a chmod +x might solve
| the problem.  Right now, I'm too ditzy for sleep to be mucking around
| with root privileges.  So, goodnight.

I don't think that matters.  Permissions are a system thing (IOW, the
kernel deals with it on a running system) and the boot loader isn't
going to care.  The bootloader will read the file, stuff it in memory,
and jump to its entry point.

-D

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