etc/group * or ! for password

[John Talbut]

In etc/group I have the lines:

man:*:12:
sasl:*:45:
plugdev:!:46:hal,john

Can anyone explain the * and the ! ?  All the other entries have x.  I cannot 
find any explanation for anything other than a password or x in this field.


John


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Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon (WAS: Re: Osama Bin Laden Take Over List!)

[Paul Johnson]

On Monday 21 August 2006 20:45, Ron Johnson wrote:
> Paul Johnson wrote:
> > On Monday 21 August 2006 19:01, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> >> * Marc Shapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Aug 21 13:11 -0500]:
>
> [snip]
>
> > Motorcyclists and scooters drivers have their choice for that reason. 
> > Though knowing how to pump gas appears on the M endorsement test required
> > for motorcycle/scooters from what I've heard.
>
> License to pump gas?  You'll have to prove that.

Endorsement to ride a motorcycle/scooter.  Safe refuelling is a part of it.

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Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon (WAS: Re: Osama Bin Laden Take Over List!)

[Paul Johnson]

On Monday 21 August 2006 20:43, Ron Johnson wrote:

> Someone in the other 48 states would have figured that out by now,
> and every gas station in the country would have converted back to
> full-service.

Full service is exceptionally rare in Oregon, minimum-service is the norm.  
There is a difference.

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Re: terminal true type fonts

[cga2000]

On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 05:35:53PM EDT, Jochen Schulz wrote:
> cga2000:
> > 
> > I mean .. it's nice to impress your friends and stuff .. but even in
> > your improved version .. I wouldn't want to use that on a daily
> > basis.
> 
> Agreed. Although one should note that the MS fonts look horrible when
> used with fontconfig's anti-aliasing and hinting.  This would probably
> look a lot better on Windows. 

I use verdana both in gnu/linux and win98 and I find that the result is
much better in the former than the latter. (!)

Could be that "X" lets you do more in the way of tweaking than Windows
does (?)

Or do more recent versions of Windows do a better job of displaying
fonts?

But then I suppose it mostly depends on what you are looking for.. The
way I have set up my fonts, Verdana 8 pts on my laptop with a display
capable of roughly 116 dpi and no AA looks good to me.  Larger fonts of
course do not look so good.

> It's the other way round with the Bitstream Vera font family (although
> not that bad).
> 
What I don't like about Bitstream Vera is that some glyphs look like
someone messed up before the ink had time to dry.

Thanks

cga


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Re: bind9 cache-only

[Nate Duehr]

On Aug 20, 2006, at 7:43 AM, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:


Hi,


In the (perhaps mistaken) notion that I am doing DNS lookups on  
sites that I always use and seem to take a long time, so would like  
a permanent cache, I installed bind9 on Sid.


I changed Firehol and added the port 53 server/client:

...
server_named_ports="tcp/53 udp/53"
client_named_ports="default 53"
...
server named accept
...

I did not change anything else.

Now how to I tell whether my strategy worked?

Googling did not give me an answer, that I know of.

H


You'd have to point /etc/resolv.conf to 127.0.0.1 to use your local  
nameserver instead of the ISP's or whoever else's you were using.   
Just loading a local DNS server won't make your local resolver use it.


There's a number of reasons caching won't help in general, such as:   
If you regularly reboot your machine, your cache is gone.  If the TTL  
times out on the Zone, that zone's cache is gone.  If the DNS entries  
are dynamic in any way for that zone, the cache is useless.


It's unlikely that it will help you much -- unless your upstream link  
to your ISP is so slow or their DNS server is so slow that you see a  
noticeable difference in response times.  Your machine running BIND  
still has to go out and query the roots (well that's "permanently"  
cached in a configuration file, unless things change), query the GTLD  
servers (in the case of typical US domain names, like .com and .net,  
for example), then query the delegated DNS servers for that zone.


You should do some real network engineering and measure response  
times for your ISP's DNS server using "dig" and then yours and really  
compare, instead of just guessing... if you're truly going for top  
speed.


Plus, most of the slowdowns today aren't the DNS of the site you're  
going to, it's the stupid ad-counting stuff embedded in the web pages.


If you don't use and ad-blocker proxy or something similar to throw  
out ad server's addresses/names you'll probably note that you  
regularly see things like "ads.doubleclick.net" being looked up by  
your browser, and other retarded stuff like that, that doesn't add  
any value to your viewing of the website, only to the owner of the  
site.  And lately they take the longest to respond of almost  
everything else on the web pages out there on most commercial sites.


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Re: IBM A21m thinkpad power management

[Nate Duehr]

On Aug 20, 2006, at 6:06 AM, George Hein wrote:




Any suggestions besides buying another notebook?
My ThinkPad-T42 with Debian: susp>ram works well, susp>disk  
suspends but does not resume.  The wireless requires firmware from  
Intel, otherwise Debian-test and Debian-sid are excellent and my  
favorites.


You probably just need to define your partition your kernel needs to  
read the resume data from and edit your bootloader's configuration to  
pass that variable to the kernel at boot-time.



With Suse and Ubuntu everything works "from the box".


Yeah, they're targeting people who don't like to read and who'll  
never set foot in /usr/share/doc.


You'll know more about your system and how it works than they will.   
They'll moan and cry if any of it ever breaks in an update and won't  
have a clue how anything works.


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Re: how to prevent the creation of hardware icons on desktop on boot

[Welly Hartanto]

Jabka Atu wrote:

Mathias Brodala wrote:

Hello Jerome.

 

each time i boot my user some icons are created on my desktop :
icons for mounting harddisks.

i tried  deleting the files but each boot they are recreated.


You can change the settings in the KDE control center. Go to

[…]
  

Is there something similar for Gnome ?



There is. Open „gconf-editor“ and modify the checkboxes under the 
following path:


  /apps/nautilus/desktop

There should be some *_icon_visible boxes. Uncheck them and maybe 
after a logout but at

least after a reboot they’re gone.


Regards, Mathias

  

i tried removing using kde but i didn't helped ..  :'-(
the strange  issue that  it  happen  only to one user.




The quick way is renaming the kde directory setting under user's home
directory then login with that user account


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Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon (WAS: Re: Osama Bin Laden Take Over List!)

[Ron Johnson]

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Steve Lamb wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
>> As far as gerrycans of fuel for your generator, I don't know if
>> there are any regulations on that.  No one said anything when we
>> stock up on gerrycans preparing for Katrina.
> 
> But Katrina didn't hit Oregon.

You're right.  In Oregon, you have to haul your generator to the
filling station when it runs out of fuel...

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For example, it is "common sense" to white-power racists that
whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins
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Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon (WAS: Re: Osama Bin Laden Take Over List!)

[Steve Lamb]

Ron Johnson wrote:
> As far as gerrycans of fuel for your generator, I don't know if
> there are any regulations on that.  No one said anything when we
> stock up on gerrycans preparing for Katrina.

But Katrina didn't hit Oregon.

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Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon (WAS: Re: Osama Bin Laden Take Over List!)

[Ron Johnson]

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Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Monday 21 August 2006 19:01, Nate Bargmann wrote:
>> * Marc Shapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Aug 21 13:11 -0500]:
[snip]
> Motorcyclists and scooters drivers have their choice for that reason.  Though 
> knowing how to pump gas appears on the M endorsement test required for 
> motorcycle/scooters from what I've heard.

License to pump gas?  You'll have to prove that.

- --
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Jefferson LA  USA

Is "common sense" really valid?
For example, it is "common sense" to white-power racists that
whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins
are mud people.
However, that "common sense" is obviously wrong.
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Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon (WAS: Re: Osama Bin Laden Take Over List!)

[Ron Johnson]

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Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Monday 21 August 2006 19:01, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> Oregonians don't sound very competent.
> 
> The reason nobody actively fights it, and why all five petitions
> that made it to the ballot to overrule the DEQ and fire marshal
> on the self-service issue, largely has to do with getting gas
> cheaper than self serve without having to do it ourself.

There are 2 competing $ amounts here:
- - cost of insurance
- - cost of employees

You say that business save money (which they then pass on to the
consumer) because the extra payroll expenses are more than made up
by reduced insurance costs.

That's just crap.

Someone in the other 48 states would have figured that out by now,
and every gas station in the country would have converted back to
full-service.

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Jefferson LA  USA

Is "common sense" really valid?
For example, it is "common sense" to white-power racists that
whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins
are mud people.
However, that "common sense" is obviously wrong.
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Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon (WAS: Re: Osama Bin Laden Take Over List!)

[Ron Johnson]

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Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * Gnu-Raiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Aug 21 21:50 -0500]:
> 
[snip]
> NUTS!  You went where I was wanting to go!
> 
> I was thinking along the lines of what if I had the station jerk
> fill my jerry cans and then I go across the street and pour it
> into my pickup myself?  Do they have a law against *that*?
> 
> What about a stranded motorist?  Does a station jerk have to tag
> along to put fuel in the tank properly?  Are they trained on how
> to fill and then empty a jerry can?  Who puts in fuel additives
> (injector/carburetor cleaner, etc.)?
> 
> What about construction equipment?  Lawn mowers? (Do you have to
> haul your mower to the station?)  Other outdoor power equipment?
> What about off road vehicles that need a fillup just this side of
> the middle of nowhere?  Do they have to be loaded on a trailer
> and hauled to the nearest attended gas station?  What happens if
> they find a gas can in your garage?  Oh dear!

Stop that!  Pointing out the inconsistencies of Oregon's insanity
might make Paul's head explode.

> Half the state's population must be fuel pumpers!

Well, *we* know which half of the population pumps their own "fuel"
hoses...

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whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins
are mud people.
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Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon (WAS: Re: Osama Bin Laden Take Over List!)

[Ron Johnson]

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Gnu-Raiz wrote:
> Hal Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> Wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> One major point he made about auto fuel was that 
>> it is stored in a tank that is, at least in VA, 15 feet or more 
>> underground, kept at a constant temperature and pressure, and that 
>> this effect the delivery much more than the air temperature.
> 
> Good point, I was just thinking about that, I also wonder how much 
> fuel is lost due to rusty tanks, and poor linings surrounding the 
> tanks.  I hope the ground water is tested as regularly as the 
> pumps. 
> 
> I also wonder about the poor farmers, who fills there tanks? If an 
> exception exists for farmers, what qualifies as a farm? If I have 
> say 2 acre's of land and want my own fuel tank can I qualify?
> 
> Am I also allowed to have say ten ten gallon gas cans for the old 
> generator. Or can I store a 55 gallon barrel of 10w40 in my garage.

In the US, farmers are exempt from paying sales tax on gasoline.

So, if you qualify as a "farmer", you can have a fuel (gas or
diesel) tank on your property.  Distributors, though, dye the fuel,
to mark it as "farm fuel".

As far as gerrycans of fuel for your generator, I don't know if
there are any regulations on that.  No one said anything when we
stock up on gerrycans preparing for Katrina.

- --
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whites are superior to blacks, and that those with brown skins
are mud people.
However, that "common sense" is obviously wrong.
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Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon (WAS: Re: Osama Bin Laden Take Over List!)

[Nate Bargmann]

* Gnu-Raiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Aug 21 21:50 -0500]:

> I also wonder about the poor farmers, who fills there tanks? If an 
> exception exists for farmers, what qualifies as a farm? If I have 
> say 2 acre's of land and want my own fuel tank can I qualify?
> 
> Am I also allowed to have say ten ten gallon gas cans for the old 
> generator. Or can I store a 55 gallon barrel of 10w40 in my garage.

NUTS!  You went where I was wanting to go!

I was thinking along the lines of what if I had the station jerk fill
my jerry cans and then I go across the street and pour it into my pickup
myself?  Do they have a law against *that*?

What about a stranded motorist?  Does a station jerk have to tag along
to put fuel in the tank properly?  Are they trained on how to fill and then
empty a jerry can?  Who puts in fuel additives (injector/carburetor
cleaner, etc.)?

What about construction equipment?  Lawn mowers? (Do you have to haul
your mower to the station?)  Other outdoor power equipment?  What about
off road vehicles that need a fillup just this side of the middle of
nowhere?  Do they have to be loaded on a trailer and hauled to the
nearest attended gas station?  What happens if they find a gas can in
your garage?  Oh dear!

Half the state's population must be fuel pumpers!

- Nate >>

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Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon (WAS: Re: Osama Bin Laden Take Over List!)

[Steve Lamb]

Paul Johnson wrote:
> Only if you want to get it at evening rush and have a lefthand tank.  If you 
> plan ahead and go in the morning or at lunch, usually there's a pump 
> available at almost any station without a line no matter what side your 
> filler neck faces.  My point was right-hand and rear-facing filler necks 
> usually don't have to wait more than a car or two if at all even at rush.

And my point was that contrary to your personal belief that there are
lines elsewhere, that has not been my experience with left or right fill cars
or my motorcycle.  So there's one "advantage" bunked.  I'm willing to bet if
we keep this up we'll get them all.

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Re: local mirror, apt-move, lan installation

[Joseph Le-Phan]

Thus spake Greg Madden :
> Use the 'sync' option with apt-move. The man page says it will dl all
> files installed on your box.
I've tried apt-move sync, but nothing appears to happen. This could
mean that either the packages used during installation found it's
way into my repo without my knowing, or apt-sync isn't the option
I'm after.

While I can't remember the exact error message when trying to use
the local repo as the repo of choice during debian installation, I
seem to recall it stating that I was missing a Contents..gz file.
Apt-move documentation doesn't appear to cover this file, or how to
generate such a file.

What is essentially considered a valid server? What structure is
required?


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Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon (WAS: Re: Osama Bin Laden Take Over List!)

[Paul Johnson]

On Monday 21 August 2006 19:01, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * Marc Shapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Aug 21 13:11 -0500]:
> > Actually, I have found that the lines are longer, here in Oregon, than
> > when I lived elsewhere.  I do not have a right hand gas tank, so I get
> > to sit in a long line and look at the other, empty lane, being unused.
> > For those of us with left hand gas tanks (the majority), after I get to
> > move up to a pump I have to wait for the attendant to get to me to pump
> > my gas, instead of just getting out and pumping my own.  Then, after the
> > tank is full, I have to wait for them to get back to me, just to take
> > the nozzle out and hand me my receipt.  This usually adds at least a
> > minute, if not more, to my time at the pump, not including any
> > additional time waiting in line to get to a pump.  If we eliminated that
> > extra time at the pump it would virtually eliminate any waiting in line,
> > as well.
> >
> > Having pumped my own gas for 32 years and in many states prior to moving
> > to Oregon, I can say that I have probably seen as many gas spills from
> > gas station attendants as from self pumping customers.  The total number
> > of spills, from either, sources, is rather low.
>
> So, what do motorcyclists do?  I wouldn't allow some station jerk to
> put his grimy hands all over my pride and joy.  Bike tanks fill rather
> quickly and one must be careful to avoid over filling and dribbling gas
> on the painted surface--especially one that is nearly 28 years old and
> in exceptional condition.

Motorcyclists and scooters drivers have their choice for that reason.  Though 
knowing how to pump gas appears on the M endorsement test required for 
motorcycle/scooters from what I've heard.

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Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon (WAS: Re: Osama Bin Laden Take Over List!)

[Paul Johnson]

On Monday 21 August 2006 19:01, Ron Johnson wrote:
> Oregonians don't sound very competent.

The reason nobody actively fights it, and why all five petitions that made it 
to the ballot to overrule the DEQ and fire marshal on the self-service issue, 
largely has to do with getting gas cheaper than self serve without having to 
do it ourself.

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Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon (WAS: Re: Osama Bin Laden Take Over List!)

[Paul Johnson]

On Monday 21 August 2006 17:29, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Paul Johnson wrote:
> > Depends on where you gas up, too.  If you shop by price alone and only
> > take thoroughfares, yeah, you're gonna hit long lines, right tank or not.
> >  But if you go to well-staffed high-volume stations like truck stops or
> > stations off the beaten path like taxi stands,
>
> So what you're saying is that if you want to avoid lines in Oregon you
> need to stay out of major cities, stay off the major thoroughfares and go
> out of your way to get gas?

Only if you want to get it at evening rush and have a lefthand tank.  If you 
plan ahead and go in the morning or at lunch, usually there's a pump 
available at almost any station without a line no matter what side your 
filler neck faces.  My point was right-hand and rear-facing filler necks 
usually don't have to wait more than a car or two if at all even at rush.

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Re: weird symptom - possible infection - forensics question

[Miles Fidelman]

Haven't figure this one out yet - so any help would still be much 
appreciated.


Meanwhile: I'm guessing this will happen again.  Any suggestions 
regarding how to recover data during reboot for possible forensic 
analysis?  (I seem to recall from days long gone by that there are ways 
  - though in the Solaris world - that there are some key boot 
parameters that can be set to collect trash from the disk, and maybe 
memory, that would otherwise be deleted during reboot).


Thanks very much,

Miles


Miles Fidelman wrote:

Hi Björn,

Thanks for the leads, so far, though

Björn Ballard wrote:

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Miles,

Although I've not come across anything like this before
if you suspect an infection try looking at the output
from something like:

ps -aef | less
  

nothing suspicious

for anything obviously out of place.  If nothing seems
obviously wrong compare the number of processes
returned by:

ps -ax | wc -l

and:

ls -d /proc/* | grep [0-9] | wc -l

  

same number of processes


Could you post extracts from the log files for around
the time of the spontaneous reset?
  
ok, another look and I do find some suspicious stuff -- I've been having 
a number of people try to crack the machine for a while, but (I thought) 
to no avail


from auth.log on both machines:

a whole slew of these, and similar entries with different user names 
(both 8/7 and 8/21 logs)
Aug  7 08:49:07 server2 sshd[11271]: Illegal user diamond from 
:::60.28.24.84
Aug  7 08:49:10 server2 sshd[11273]: Illegal user heaven from 
:::60.28.24.84
Aug  7 08:49:12 server2 sshd[11275]: Illegal user guadalupe from 
:::60.28.24.84


and these (only the earlier log):
Aug  7 06:48:02 server2 sshd[6567]: Address 66.132.182.28 maps to 
goldcrownresor
t.com, but this does not map back to the address - POSSIBLE BREAKIN 
ATTEMPT!
Aug  7 06:48:03 server2 sshd[6569]: Address 66.132.182.28 maps to 
goldcrownresor
t.com, but this does not map back to the address - POSSIBLE BREAKIN 
ATTEMPT!
Aug  7 06:48:03 server2 sshd[6571]: Address 66.132.182.28 maps to 
goldcrownresor
t.com, but this does not map back to the address - POSSIBLE BREAKIN 
ATTEMPT!
Aug  7 06:48:04 server2 sshd[6573]: Address 66.132.182.28 maps to 
goldcrownresor
t.com, but this does not map back to the address - POSSIBLE BREAKIN 
ATTEMPT!


BUT... the events stopped a couple of hours before the reboot

from auth.log on 1st server, today:

Aug 21 11:50:01 server1 CRON[27533]: (pam_unix) session closed for user 
root
Aug 21 11:55:01 server1 CRON[27540]: (pam_unix) session opened for user 
root by

(uid=0)
Aug 21 11:55:01 server1 CRON[27540]: (pam_unix) session closed for user 
root
Aug 21 12:00:01 server1 CRON[27550]: (pam_unix) session opened for user 
root by

(uid=0)
Aug 21 12:00:01 server1 CRON[27550]: (pam_unix) session closed for user 
root
Aug 21 12:02:01 server1 CRON[27556]: (pam_unix) session opened for user 
logcheck

by (uid=0)
Aug 21 12:02:04 server1 CRON[27556]: (pam_unix) session closed for user 
logcheck

Aug 21 12:05:43 server1 sshd[3166]: Server listening on :: port 22.
Aug 21 12:05:44 server1 perl: (pam_unix) authentication failure; 
logname= uid=0

euid=0 tty= ruser= rhost=  user=root
Aug 21 12:05:46 server1 webmin[3187]: Webmin starting
Aug 21 12:05:46 server1 CRON[3296]: (pam_unix) session opened for user 
logcheck

by (uid=0)
Aug 21 12:05:50 server1 CRON[3296]: (pam_unix) session closed for user 
logcheck
Aug 21 12:09:01 server1 CRON[4163]: (pam_unix) session opened for user 
root by (

uid=0)

the two lines that caught my eye are:
Aug 21 12:05:43 server1 sshd[3166]: Server listening on :: port 22.
Aug 21 12:05:44 server1 perl: (pam_unix) authentication failure; 
logname= uid=0

euid=0 tty= ruser= rhost=  user=root

I know that I wasn't trying to log on then.  Perhaps somebody was trying 
to break in with something that crashed the machine, immediately 
followed by an attempt to log in as root. But I can't find anything like 
this on the other server or for the previous crashes, and it looks like 
it failed.


 From syslog on the more built up machine (note the artifacts of the 
partial amavisd/clam install):
Aug 21 11:55:18 server1 postfix/smtp[27539]: connect to 
example.com[192.0.34.166

]: Connection timed out (port 25)
Aug 21 11:55:18 server1 postfix/smtp[27539]: 702D8B64492: 
to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]
.com>, relay=none, delay=9984, status=deferred (connect to 
example.com[192.0.34.

166]: Connection timed out)
Aug 21 12:00:01 server1 /USR/SBIN/CRON[27551]: (root) CMD (if [ -x 
/usr/bin/vnst
at ] && [ `ls /var/lib/vnstat/ | wc -l` -ge 1 ]; then /usr/bin/vnstat 
-u; fi)
Aug 21 12:02:01 server1 /USR/SBIN/CRON[27557]: (logcheck) CMD (   if [ 
-x /usr/s

bin/logcheck ]; then nice -n10 /usr/sbin/logcheck; fi)
Aug 21 12:02:04 server1 postfix/pickup[27547]: 4E67BB6465F: uid=104 
from=
ck>
Aug 21 12:02:04 server1 postfix/cleanup[28308]: 4E67BB6465F: 
message-id=<2006082

[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Aug 21 12:02:04 server1 pos

Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon (WAS: Re: Osama Bin Laden Take Over List!)

[Gnu-Raiz]

Hal Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Wrote:






>One major point he made about auto fuel was that 
>it is stored in a tank that is, at least in VA, 15 feet or more 
>underground, kept at a constant temperature and pressure, and that 
>this effect the delivery much more than the air temperature.

Good point, I was just thinking about that, I also wonder how much 
fuel is lost due to rusty tanks, and poor linings surrounding the 
tanks.  I hope the ground water is tested as regularly as the 
pumps. 

I also wonder about the poor farmers, who fills there tanks? If an 
exception exists for farmers, what qualifies as a farm? If I have 
say 2 acre's of land and want my own fuel tank can I qualify?

Am I also allowed to have say ten ten gallon gas cans for the old 
generator. Or can I store a 55 gallon barrel of 10w40 in my garage.

Gnu_Raiz


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Re: Problem with: #include

[gustavo halperin]

Kevin B. McCarty wrote:

gustavo halperin wrote:

  

Kevin B. McCarty wrote:



  

The _X_SENTINEL macro is defined in /usr/include/X11/Xfuncproto.h
-- try installing the latest version of the x11proto-core-dev
package that supplies this file. (Should be version 7.0.4-3 in Sid
or Etch.)
  

OK, I'm using Debian Sarge version, but my X is Xorg from
"www.backports.org/backports.org/" version 6.9. . This unofficial
APT repository unfortunately haven't the x11proto-core-dev package,
but the file /usr/include/X11/Xfuncproto.h is there but without the
"_X_SENTINEL" definition.



Hmm, then try (re-)installing the latest version of the "x-dev" package
from backports.org (version 6.9.0.dfsg.1-5bpo2).  The Xfuncproto.h in
there does include the _X_SENTINEL stuff.
  

Thank you, you are right. I fixed it now like you say.
BTW: So, maybe I must to update all the packages from the Xorg family. 
For example if I have currently installed the "xlibmesa-gl" version 
"4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1" mean that also this package I must upgrade ?? 
And if your answer is yes, there are any way to see which of this Xorg 
family package I have installed and not missing no one ??


 Thank you,
Gustavo
  

/* _X_SENTINEL BS */
#if defined(__GNUC__) && (__GNUC__ >= 4)
# define _X_SENTINEL(x) __attribute__ ((__sentinel__(x)))
# define _X_ATTRIBUTE_PRINTF(x,y) __attribute__((__format__(__printf__,x,y)))
#else
# define _X_SENTINEL(x)
# define _X_ATTRIBUTE_PRINTF(x,y)
#endif /* GNUC >= 4 */



If you don't want to install the newer x-dev package from backports,
then "fixing" Xlib.h by sticking this at the beginning seems fine to me
-- this is the same as the block of code in my version of Xfuncproto.h
in Sid.

regards,

  



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Re: cgi-bin SOLVED

[Mark Grieveson]

Okay, first off, thanks for your suggestions.  I did finally figure it 
out.  I had set up a virtual host, just in case I wanted to serve other 
sites from here.  However, I had not properly added support for cgi-bin 
files to this host.  I noticed this when checking the 
/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default file.  I simply added:


ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/
   
   AllowOverride None
   Options +ExecCGI -MultiViews +SymLinksIfOwnerMatch
   Order allow,deny
   Allow from all
   

and it now works.

Mark


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Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon (WAS: Re: Osama Bin Laden Take Over List!)

[Nate Bargmann]

Self serve pay at the pump.  Get in, get out.  No fussing with
attends, etc.  I only buy my fuel at stations that have pay at the
pump.

- Nate >>

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Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon (WAS: Re: Osama Bin Laden Take Over List!)

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Steve Lamb wrote:
> Paul Johnson wrote:
>> Depends on where you gas up, too.  If you shop by price alone
>> and only take thoroughfares, yeah, you're gonna hit long lines,
>> right tank or not.  But if you go to well-staffed high-volume
>> stations like truck stops or stations off the beaten path like
>> taxi stands,
> 
> So what you're saying is that if you want to avoid lines in
> Oregon you need to stay out of major cities, stay off the major
> thoroughfares and go out of your way to get gas?

Oregonians don't sound very competent.

Makes you wonder about ODSL, Linus, etc. :/


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Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon (WAS: Re: Osama Bin Laden Take Over List!)

[Nate Bargmann]

* Marc Shapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Aug 21 13:11 -0500]:

> Actually, I have found that the lines are longer, here in Oregon, than 
> when I lived elsewhere.  I do not have a right hand gas tank, so I get 
> to sit in a long line and look at the other, empty lane, being unused.  
> For those of us with left hand gas tanks (the majority), after I get to 
> move up to a pump I have to wait for the attendant to get to me to pump 
> my gas, instead of just getting out and pumping my own.  Then, after the 
> tank is full, I have to wait for them to get back to me, just to take 
> the nozzle out and hand me my receipt.  This usually adds at least a 
> minute, if not more, to my time at the pump, not including any 
> additional time waiting in line to get to a pump.  If we eliminated that 
> extra time at the pump it would virtually eliminate any waiting in line, 
> as well.
> 
> Having pumped my own gas for 32 years and in many states prior to moving 
> to Oregon, I can say that I have probably seen as many gas spills from 
> gas station attendants as from self pumping customers.  The total number 
> of spills, from either, sources, is rather low.

So, what do motorcyclists do?  I wouldn't allow some station jerk to
put his grimy hands all over my pride and joy.  Bike tanks fill rather
quickly and one must be careful to avoid over filling and dribbling gas
on the painted surface--especially one that is nearly 28 years old and
in exceptional condition.

Law or no law, *I* fill my bike.

- Nate >>

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Re: cgi-bin

[Mark Grieveson]

Just a small addendum to my last message on this thread:  the cgi-bin 
search engine does work when I try it on the local host via either the 
terminal, or the browser (ie, http://localhost/cgi-bin/htsearch), but 
not via the site I'm serving to the wide world.  I think there must be a 
flaw, or oversight, in the apache2.conf file.  Any hints or suggestions 
as to what I should add to it?


Mark


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RE: booting up the system

[Iuri Sampaio]

Just a positive feedback...

I resolved the issue using knoppix live CD. 
GRUB now is installed and running smoothly on my machine.
Thanks lot to Kevin, Mat, Andrew, Russel and Mumia

Regards,
Iuri Sampaio

-Original Message-
From: Andrew Sackville-West [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 12:30 PM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: booting up the system

On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 02:10:21AM -0300, Iuri Sampaio wrote:
> So far I've got some improvement, but I'm still stuck on the grub
> installation process.
> 
>  
> 
> I followed the steps you listed bellow, but on knoppix environment,
instead
> of Debian Installation CD
> 
> 2) orient yourself in the partitions with fdisk -l /dev/hda
> 
> 2) mount /dev/hda1 /mnt
> 
> 3) chroot /mnt
> 
> 4) grub-install
> 
>  
> 
> On the 4th step, I ran grub-install and got this error message
> 
>  
> 
[ snip many linesof commands not found ]

have you fully setup the chroot environment? Do you have /usr on a
seperate partition? you need to mount your partitions (especially
probably /usr, /boot etc) within the chroot before stuff works
correctly. I would do it from outside the chroot before chrooting in
to the environment. 

for example, in my setup I would 

mount /dev/hda2 /mnt
mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/boot
mount /dev/hdb3 /mnt/usr
...
chroot /mnt

your setup will obviously be different.

> 
> GNU GRUB  version 0.95  (640K lower / 3072K upper memory)

> 
> [ Minimal BASH-like line editing is supported.  For the first word, TAB
> 
>lists possible command completions.  Anywhere else TAB lists the
possible
> 
>completions of a device/filename. ]
> 
> grub> root (hd0,)
>  
> 
> Error 12: Invalid device requested
> 
> grub> setup  --stage2=/boot/grub/stage2 --prefix=/boot/grub (hd0)
>  
> 
> Error 12: Invalid device requested
> 
> grub> quit
> 
>  
> 
> Furthermore, on debian CD installation, I skip to another terminal,
alt+f2,
> and tried to orient myself where and what are the partitions, but the hda
> device (the hard disk), is not recognized, I tried to mount it up, but it
> says there are no such file or directory.
> 
>  
> 

I think (not positive) that you need to work your way through the
installer until it launches the partitioner, at that point you can be
sure that the system is set up to see the harddrive. Or you could
manualy insmod or modprobe the modules required to see your hard disk.

A
 



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Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon (WAS: Re: Osama Bin Laden Take Over List!)

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Matt Johnson wrote:
> - Original Message  From: Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Tuesday, 22 August, 2006
> 1:20:46 AM Subject: Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon (WAS: Re: Osama Bin
> Laden Take Over List!)
> 
[snip]
> The certifcation is stringent to say the least - and rightly so.

Stringent certification to pump gas?

> We've seen the back of sand on the forecourt. Thank goodness.

Can you explain that to a backward provincial?

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Re: cgi-bin

[Mark Grieveson]

Robert Harris wrote:

Mark Grieveson wrote:
  

Robert Harris wrote:


Mark Grieveson wrote:
 
  

Hello.  cgi-bin files are not working on my webserver.  I use apache2,
on Etch.  Specifically, I'm trying to get htsearch, of the search
program htdig, to work on my site that I serve.  It worked with Sarge,
but does not work with Etch.  The file is at /usr/lib/cgi-bin/htsearch,
and the connection is http://www.opseu540.info/cgi-bin/htsearch
(www.opseu540.info being the site I serve). 
Mark




Check your logs (in /var/log/apache2 on my system). Most likely you have
a permissions problem - make sure that your apache user (www-data on my
system) is allowed to execute your cgi scripts.

Robert

  
  



But gnome-system-tools only lists "real" users; apache is generally run
by a special user (www-data) - traditionally root did it but a special
user is more secure. if you list /etc/passwd from a console (more
/etc/passwd), you will get a list containing the special users as well.
  

I checked the permissions on /usr/lib/cgi-bin/, and discovered they are
1200755 (number view), drwxr-xr-x (text view).  The file htsearch's
permissions are 1200755 (number view) and -rwxr-xr-x (text view).
So, from here I'm not sure what to do, but I suspect that I need to
install a package or two.


what matters is the permissions on the scripts themselves which should
be in the /usr/lib/cgi-bin directory.
  

Coincidentally, I did test htsearch within the terminal, and it works
there (see below where I search for "test"):

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/lib/cgi-bin$ ./htsearch
Enter value for words: test
Content-type: text/html

Enter value for format:



Search results for 'test'
...etc

It spits out the rest of the code correctly, for the page that should
appear when this command is accessed via the website with the apache2
webserver.

The /var/log/apache2/error.log simply states "File does not exist:
/home/mark/public_html/cgi-bin".



Something is telling apache to look in the wrong place for scripts.
Don't run apache as "mark"; instead start it up from root with:

/etc/init.d/apache2 start

then it may well look in the right place.

If it doesn't, then try and understand your configuration files in
/etc/apache2

Robert

  
Thanks for the suggestions.  Okay, from the /etc/passwd file, I 
discovered this about the  www-data user:


debian:/home/mark# cat /etc/passwd
(other stuff edited out)
www-data:x:33:33:www-data:/var/www:/bin/sh

As root, I ran the command "/etc/init.d/apache2 start", but still no 
change.  I fished around, and I did find a file entitled cgi.load, in 
/etc/apache2/modules-enabled directory, and this file reads:
"LoadModule cgi_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_cgi.so".  The file 
mod_cgi.so does exist in the /usr/lib/apache2/modules file.


The cgi file is the htsearch one, in /usr/lib/cgi-bin/htsearch, and its 
permissions are 1200755 (number view) and -rwxr-xr-x (text view).


Alas, I'm still stumped.

Mark


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Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon (WAS: Re: Osama Bin Laden Take Over List!)

[Steve Lamb]

Paul Johnson wrote:
> Depends on where you gas up, too.  If you shop by price alone and only take 
> thoroughfares, yeah, you're gonna hit long lines, right tank or not.  But if 
> you go to well-staffed high-volume stations like truck stops or stations off 
> the beaten path like taxi stands,

So what you're saying is that if you want to avoid lines in Oregon you
need to stay out of major cities, stay off the major thoroughfares and go out
of your way to get gas?

Wow.  And we have lines?  Let's see.  The 2 years I spent living in the
Pasadena, Ca area I don't recall ever having to wait in line for gas no matter
what time of day or night I went.  This was 1-2 lights off of I-210 and on a
major thoroughfare that mirrored it (recently renamed to "Historic Route-66 as
a part of it is, indeed, route 66).

The year I lived with my fiancee in her place in Long Beach, Ca yielded
exactly 0 lines in my experience.  Was on I a major thoroughfare?  Oh, you
bet!  We lived 2 blocks from the PCH Circle.  Go down a mile or two and over
about 5 blocks and you hit the end of the I-605, a freeway I commuted on every
day to work as I still worked in Pasadena, Ca.

More recently I live right off the (just completed) I-215/I-515
interchange in Henderson, Nv (a 'burb of Las Vegas, Nv) and work right on I-15
down in one of the pre-Vegas Casino stops.  Wanna know how many lines I see at
my home station right off the freeway and 2 blocks south of a major
thoroughfare?  0.  Wanna know how many I've seen at a station I visit when the
price is cheaper on a major thoroughfare between home and work?  0.  Wanna
know how many I've seen at the 3 gas stations on the exit of the properties I
work at?  0.

So there's the past 7 years and so far I haven't gotten off the beaten
path, haven't avoided major thoroughfares, have lived in major metropolitan
areas, have gone at all times of the day and have yet to see a single line at
the pump...

> Go to Vancouver (WA or BC, either of them, doesn't matter).  Or Seattle.  
> There's usually a standing puddle of gasoline in front of at least one pump 
> and the place reeks of gasoline by comparison to even a truck stop gas 
> station in Oregon.

...nor have I ever seen a "standing puddle of gasoline" in all that time.
 And as I said before when this came up, a gas station is going to reek of
gasoline because of the vapors from the tanks as they are opened.  That
happens everywhere.  Sorry Paul, not buying your anti-individualism crusade.
What you're claiming about the world-outside-of-Oregon and the reality I live
day in and day out don't match in the slightest.  Because according to your
worldview I should be mired in lines and fearing for my life because of the
copious amounts of gasoline soaked into my shoes.

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Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon (WAS: Re: Osama Bin Laden Take Over List!)

[Matt Johnson]

- Original Message 
From: Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Sent: Tuesday, 22 August, 2006 1:20:46 AM
Subject: Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon (WAS: Re: Osama Bin Laden Take Over List!)

>>Usually a quick run through and the first few fills supervised to make sure 
>>they can do it consistently without spilling, somewhat similar to the 
>>membership cardlock self-service gas stations have their customers do.

Not so here in the UK. All petrol stations are government run, and fuel can 
only be pumped by a sacred few. There's a considerable waiting list to become 
an attendent - one of the "pumpers" (or "squeezers" if you're south (saaf) of 
the river). The certifcation is stringent to say the least - and rightly so. 
We've seen the back of sand on the forecourt. Thank goodness.

>>That's fine.  That's why you're over there, and we're over here.  Oregon's 
>>full, anyway, we don't need more people.

Damn.

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Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon (WAS: Re: Osama Bin Laden Take Over List!)

[Paul Johnson]

On Monday 21 August 2006 16:48, Hal Vaughan wrote:

> Maybe the engineers who have jobs designing those things actually know
> more about what they're doing than we do?

Even if that is the case, it's not going to stop me from getting gas at five 
or six in the morning anyway, the morning rush hour crowd doesn't have time 
to goof around in the convenience store while parked on the gas line gumming 
up the whole works like they do at five at night, and I have better things to 
do with my time than sit around in a gas line.

And believe it or not, I actually did have to get gas at a Petro-Canada 
station near Mission, BC that was self service and used glass globe gravity 
pumps and was *really* glad it was early morning right after they opened and 
in the shade that time.  I do admit I was well off the beaten path to end up 
there, and I had no problem using even those pumps.

Lower mainland BC has a nice compromise going on... many stations have 
mini-serve, and most but not all rural stations are full or self, same price.  
On the other hand, gas stations are trying to compete on service since 
they're often only differing by a few tenths of a cent per litre in price.

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Re: Orinoco Silver wireless works w/2.6.15 but not 2.6.17

[Paul Scott]

Tom Allison wrote:

Dave Patterson wrote:

* Paul Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-07-12 16:01:39 -0700]:



Any ideas why I can't get an Orinoco Silver card:

Lucent Technologies  WaveLAN/IEEE Version 01.01
manfid 0x0156, 0x0002

works with a stock 2.6.15 kernel but not with a 2.6.17?

Something to do with device names and udev?



Using madwifi, I had to reboot to register all modules.



I'm using the Orinoco Gold and after reboots it still isn't working.
syslog says the same information it said with the 2.6.16 kernel -- 
assumption is the load is working ok.

But it's just not capturing anything on the DHCPOFFER.
I've tried a few more times and still no kernel after 2.6.15 works for 
me on the laptop and for some reason I don't remember I'm still running 
2.6.15 on two other machines.


Paul


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Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon (WAS: Re: Osama Bin Laden Take Over List!)

[Paul Johnson]

On Monday 21 August 2006 15:50, Jacob S wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 14:34:16 -0700
>
> Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Monday 21 August 2006 11:07, Marc Shapiro wrote:
> > > I do not have a right hand gas tank, so I get
> > > to sit in a long line and look at the other, empty lane, being
> > > unused. For those of us with left hand gas tanks (the majority),
> > > after I get to move up to a pump I have to wait for the attendant
> > > to get to me to pump my gas, instead of just getting out and
> > > pumping my own.  Then, after the tank is full, I have to wait for
> > > them to get back to me, just to take the nozzle out and hand me my
> > > receipt.  This usually adds at least a minute, if not more, to my
> > > time at the pump, not including any additional time waiting in line
> > > to get to a pump.  If we eliminated that extra time at the pump it
> > > would virtually eliminate any waiting in line, as well.
> >
> > Knowing that's how gas stations work in your area, it would have been
> > prudent to have kept this limitation in mind when you purchased your
> > vehicle. Otherwise you're stuck waiting in line or paying 10-30¢ more
> > per gallon at a self-service cardlock or being an inconsiderate
> > driver by going the wrong way into the right-hand pumps at a
> > Washington self-serve station.
>
> Buy a car just because it has a right hand gas tank?

Quite a few quality vehicles out there put the filler neck on the right (or 
less commonly, in the center).

> > > Having pumped my own gas for 32 years and in many states prior to
> > > moving to Oregon, I can say that I have probably seen as many gas
> > > spills from gas station attendants as from self pumping customers.
> > > The total number of spills, from either, sources, is rather low.
> >
> > Go to Vancouver (WA or BC, either of them, doesn't matter).  Or
> > Seattle. There's usually a standing puddle of gasoline in front of at
> > least one pump and the place reeks of gasoline by comparison to even
> > a truck stop gas station in Oregon.  This isn't to say that even the
> > career gas pumpers don't occasionally spill, at least here they're
> > required to clean up gas spills quickly.  Even then, seeing kitty
> > litter or a spill kit in use or a puddle of gas is the exception and
> > not the rule at mini-serve stations.
>
> So you're basing your opinion of "all self-service gas stations" on
> those 3 cities? Quite the limited sample there.

I don't have the time to bang out every Californian location I've seen gas 
spilled.

> > (That being said, the only time I've seen them spill was earlier
> > today at an Estby station near Intel where I work since it was
> > running on fumes when I pulled in, the tank burped while refuelling
> > and the nozzle dropped out.  And the Estby station gave me the gas
> > gratis to make up for spilling gas on fender...$5 car wash for $30
> > gas...can't complain too much...)
>
> Just out of curiosity, how much training are these pump attendants
> required to go through to be qualified experts in "pumping gas"?

Usually a quick run through and the first few fills supervised to make sure 
they can do it consistently without spilling, somewhat similar to the 
membership cardlock self-service gas stations have their customers do.

> Thanks. This thread is reminding me once again of how glad I am to live
> in my home state. Keep up the good work!

That's fine.  That's why you're over there, and we're over here.  Oregon's 
full, anyway, we don't need more people.

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Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon (WAS: Re: Osama Bin Laden Take Over List!)

[Hal Vaughan]

On Monday 21 August 2006 17:34, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Monday 21 August 2006 11:07, Marc Shapiro wrote:
> > Paul Johnson wrote:
> > > The upswing day-to-day upswing is that we usually pay less for
> > > gas than
> > >
> > >neighboring states:  Insurance for self service is more expensive
> > > than hiring someone to sit in the kiosk and wrangle pumps, and
> > > the gas line moves faster since you're not having to wait behind
> > > grandma to get the job done.  Another side effect of having
> > > minimum-service islands everywhere is they tend to be one-way, so
> > > if you're lucky enough to have a right-hand gas tank, the line is
> > > far shorter, if there is one.
> >
> > Actually, I have found that the lines are longer, here in Oregon,
> > than when I lived elsewhere.
>
> Depends on where you gas up, too.  If you shop by price alone and
> only take thoroughfares, yeah, you're gonna hit long lines, right
> tank or not.  But if you go to well-staffed high-volume stations like
> truck stops or stations off the beaten path like taxi stands, then
> about the only time there's a line is at evening rush hour (when it's
> most expensive to get gas anyway, since gas expands in the heat, so
> you're getting less gas for your dollar at the hottest part of the
> day) 

Actually, if you read the gauge it says, "Accurate at any temperature or 
pressure."  The gauges are designed so 1 gallon is 1 gallon.  Add to 
that the fact that gas is stored in underground tanks, where 
temperature is a constant and the gas is only exposed to other 
temperatures in the delivery hose for a very short time.  I don't know 
about the state that feels the average person is not smart enough to 
pump his own gas, but in VA there are inspections with only a tiny 
amount of variance allowed, so if you pay for a gallon, you're getting 
a gallon, with a variance of well less than an ounce.  Even in my gas 
guzzling 1973 convertible I'm restoring, that does not add up to enough 
to make a difference.

I checked this with an engineer I know has done work in temperature and 
pressure and delivery systems.  (As a matter of fact, while this isn't 
auto fuel, he was responsible for a lot of the development work on the 
Nike-Hercules missile, including overseeing the fuel delivery system.  
He still has 2 fuel nozzles from prototypes in his back yard and uses 
them for barbecues.)  One major point he made about auto fuel was that 
it is stored in a tank that is, at least in VA, 15 feet or more 
underground, kept at a constant temperature and pressure, and that this 
effect the delivery much more than the air temperature.

Maybe the engineers who have jobs designing those things actually know 
more about what they're doing than we do?

Hal


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Re: Problem with: #include

[Kevin B. McCarty]

gustavo halperin wrote:

> Kevin B. McCarty wrote:

>> The _X_SENTINEL macro is defined in /usr/include/X11/Xfuncproto.h
>> -- try installing the latest version of the x11proto-core-dev
>> package that supplies this file. (Should be version 7.0.4-3 in Sid
>> or Etch.)
> 
> OK, I'm using Debian Sarge version, but my X is Xorg from
> "www.backports.org/backports.org/" version 6.9. . This unofficial
> APT repository unfortunately haven't the x11proto-core-dev package,
> but the file /usr/include/X11/Xfuncproto.h is there but without the
> "_X_SENTINEL" definition.

Hmm, then try (re-)installing the latest version of the "x-dev" package
from backports.org (version 6.9.0.dfsg.1-5bpo2).  The Xfuncproto.h in
there does include the _X_SENTINEL stuff.

> /* _X_SENTINEL BS */
> #if defined(__GNUC__) && (__GNUC__ >= 4)
> # define _X_SENTINEL(x) __attribute__ ((__sentinel__(x)))
> # define _X_ATTRIBUTE_PRINTF(x,y) __attribute__((__format__(__printf__,x,y)))
> #else
> # define _X_SENTINEL(x)
> # define _X_ATTRIBUTE_PRINTF(x,y)
> #endif /* GNUC >= 4 */

If you don't want to install the newer x-dev package from backports,
then "fixing" Xlib.h by sticking this at the beginning seems fine to me
-- this is the same as the block of code in my version of Xfuncproto.h
in Sid.

regards,

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Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon (WAS: Re: Osama Bin Laden Take Over List!)

[Patrick Rittich]

Paul Johnson wrote:

Go to Vancouver (WA or BC, either of them, doesn't matter).  Or Seattle.  
There's usually a standing puddle of gasoline in front of at least one pump 
and the place reeks of gasoline by comparison to even a truck stop gas 
station in Oregon.  This isn't to say that even the career gas pumpers don't 
occasionally spill, at least here they're required to clean up gas spills 
quickly.  Even then, seeing kitty litter or a spill kit in use or a puddle of 
gas is the exception and not the rule at mini-serve stations.
 

In 20 years of pumping gas around the Vancouver, BC area, I've never 
once seen a standing puddle of gas at any gas station, and I've only 
seen kitty litter covered spills a handful of times.


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Re: How does one install extensions in Firefox and Thunderbird?

[Derek]

What I do is,in firefox,go to the "tools" in the menu and click on extentions,then click on get more extentions and install them that way.They get installed into ~/.mozilla,so they are not installed system wide.
On 8/21/06, Ken Heard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon (WAS: Re: Osama Bin Laden Take Over List!)

[Jacob S]

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On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 14:34:16 -0700
Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Monday 21 August 2006 11:07, Marc Shapiro wrote:
>
> > I do not have a right hand gas tank, so I get 
> > to sit in a long line and look at the other, empty lane, being
> > unused. For those of us with left hand gas tanks (the majority),
> > after I get to move up to a pump I have to wait for the attendant
> > to get to me to pump my gas, instead of just getting out and
> > pumping my own.  Then, after the tank is full, I have to wait for
> > them to get back to me, just to take the nozzle out and hand me my
> > receipt.  This usually adds at least a minute, if not more, to my
> > time at the pump, not including any additional time waiting in line
> > to get to a pump.  If we eliminated that extra time at the pump it
> > would virtually eliminate any waiting in line, as well.
> 
> Knowing that's how gas stations work in your area, it would have been
> prudent to have kept this limitation in mind when you purchased your
> vehicle. Otherwise you're stuck waiting in line or paying 10-30¢ more
> per gallon at a self-service cardlock or being an inconsiderate
> driver by going the wrong way into the right-hand pumps at a
> Washington self-serve station.

Buy a car just because it has a right hand gas tank? I'd rather buy gas
where the traffic lanes are 2-way and there's rarely lines for a pump -
regardless of what side your gas tank is on. Hint: this place is not in
Oregon, Washington or California. And yes, my legislators trust me
enough to pump my own gas.

> > Having pumped my own gas for 32 years and in many states prior to
> > moving to Oregon, I can say that I have probably seen as many gas
> > spills from gas station attendants as from self pumping customers.
> > The total number of spills, from either, sources, is rather low.
> 
> Go to Vancouver (WA or BC, either of them, doesn't matter).  Or
> Seattle. There's usually a standing puddle of gasoline in front of at
> least one pump and the place reeks of gasoline by comparison to even
> a truck stop gas station in Oregon.  This isn't to say that even the
> career gas pumpers don't occasionally spill, at least here they're
> required to clean up gas spills quickly.  Even then, seeing kitty
> litter or a spill kit in use or a puddle of gas is the exception and
> not the rule at mini-serve stations.

So you're basing your opinion of "all self-service gas stations" on
those 3 cities? Quite the limited sample there.

> (That being said, the only time I've seen them spill was earlier
> today at an Estby station near Intel where I work since it was
> running on fumes when I pulled in, the tank burped while refuelling
> and the nozzle dropped out.  And the Estby station gave me the gas
> gratis to make up for spilling gas on fender...$5 car wash for $30
> gas...can't complain too much...)

Just out of curiosity, how much training are these pump attendants
required to go through to be qualified experts in "pumping gas"?

Thanks. This thread is reminding me once again of how glad I am to live
in my home state. Keep up the good work!

Jacob
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Re: Pumping Gas in Oregon (WAS: Re: Osama Bin Laden Take Over List!)

[Paul Johnson]

On Monday 21 August 2006 11:07, Marc Shapiro wrote:
> Paul Johnson wrote:
> > The upswing day-to-day upswing is that we usually pay less for gas than
> >
> >neighboring states:  Insurance for self service is more expensive than
> > hiring someone to sit in the kiosk and wrangle pumps, and the gas line
> > moves faster since you're not having to wait behind grandma to get the
> > job done.  Another side effect of having minimum-service islands
> > everywhere is they tend to be one-way, so if you're lucky enough to have
> > a right-hand gas tank, the line is far shorter, if there is one.
>
> Actually, I have found that the lines are longer, here in Oregon, than
> when I lived elsewhere.

Depends on where you gas up, too.  If you shop by price alone and only take 
thoroughfares, yeah, you're gonna hit long lines, right tank or not.  But if 
you go to well-staffed high-volume stations like truck stops or stations off 
the beaten path like taxi stands, then about the only time there's a line is 
at evening rush hour (when it's most expensive to get gas anyway, since gas 
expands in the heat, so you're getting less gas for your dollar at the 
hottest part of the day) or when there's a big taxi shift change.  I'm sure 
the same could be said about other cities, whether or not mini-serve is 
available.

The only time it's as slow as self service is if you ask for a fill up (but if 
you don't want to wait around you just memorize how big your gas tank is and 
buy $N instead of getting a fill).  Gas stations themselves could go a long 
way in speeding things up at stations with bodegas by going back to what they 
used to do and do the cashiering at the pump like they do at locations 
without a bodega, and expecting you to get off the gas line as quickly as 
possible and parking if you want to go shop.  (Arco, Conoco and Texaco are 
the worst offenders here, Shell is hit or miss, while Tesoro Alaska, Mobil, 
Estby, 76 and most independents still expects you to get away from the pump 
as soon as you're not getting gas)

> I do not have a right hand gas tank, so I get 
> to sit in a long line and look at the other, empty lane, being unused.
> For those of us with left hand gas tanks (the majority), after I get to
> move up to a pump I have to wait for the attendant to get to me to pump
> my gas, instead of just getting out and pumping my own.  Then, after the
> tank is full, I have to wait for them to get back to me, just to take
> the nozzle out and hand me my receipt.  This usually adds at least a
> minute, if not more, to my time at the pump, not including any
> additional time waiting in line to get to a pump.  If we eliminated that
> extra time at the pump it would virtually eliminate any waiting in line,
> as well.

Knowing that's how gas stations work in your area, it would have been prudent 
to have kept this limitation in mind when you purchased your vehicle.  
Otherwise you're stuck waiting in line or paying 10-30¢ more per gallon at a 
self-service cardlock or being an inconsiderate driver by going the wrong way 
into the right-hand pumps at a Washington self-serve station.

> Having pumped my own gas for 32 years and in many states prior to moving
> to Oregon, I can say that I have probably seen as many gas spills from
> gas station attendants as from self pumping customers.  The total number
> of spills, from either, sources, is rather low.

Go to Vancouver (WA or BC, either of them, doesn't matter).  Or Seattle.  
There's usually a standing puddle of gasoline in front of at least one pump 
and the place reeks of gasoline by comparison to even a truck stop gas 
station in Oregon.  This isn't to say that even the career gas pumpers don't 
occasionally spill, at least here they're required to clean up gas spills 
quickly.  Even then, seeing kitty litter or a spill kit in use or a puddle of 
gas is the exception and not the rule at mini-serve stations.

(That being said, the only time I've seen them spill was earlier today at an 
Estby station near Intel where I work since it was running on fumes when I 
pulled in, the tank burped while refuelling and the nozzle dropped out.  And 
the Estby station gave me the gas gratis to make up for spilling gas on 
fender...$5 car wash for $30 gas...can't complain too much...)

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xgl test works in root but not for user

[marc]

Hi,

I have installed xserver-xgl and can run it and compiz from a KDE root 
session -- wobbly bits and all. However, when I try to login -- using 
the same scripts -- I receive the following: 

  Xsession: X session started for marc at Mon Aug 21 18:48:57 BST 2006

  Fatal server error:
  Could not create server lock file: /tmp/.X1-lock

  xset:  unable to open display ":1"

and so on.

To login, I have created:

  /usr/shar/xsessions/xgl.desktop

which can be selected from the KDM panel. All this does is call:

  /usr/local/startxgl.sh

  #!/bin/sh
  Xgl :1 -fullscreen -ac -accel xv:fbo -accel glx:pbuffer &
  DISPLAY=:1
  exec startkde

As I say, this all works from root, but from an regular user it is 
effectively halting at the line commencing Xgl.

Any ideas? Thanks.

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Re: local mirror, apt-move, lan installation

[Greg Madden]

On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 19:03:30 +0200
Gilles Mocellin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Le samedi 19 août 2006 17:45, Joseph Le-Phan a écrit :
> > Hello,
> >
> > I recently was able to utilize apt-move for a repo on a
> > machine that serves a local lan. Once a machine has fetched debs
> > from remote repos, an apt-move update makes those debs
> > available to the rest of the lan.
> >
> > I'd like to know if it's possible to mirror the files that
> > were used during installation. I've noticed that they're not
> > in /var/cache/apt/archives after a successful installation.
> 
> You probably want apt-proxy or apt-cacher.
> You'll mirror only the debs you install.

Use the 'sync' option with apt-move. The man page says it will dl all
files installed on your box.

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Re: Problem with: #include

[gustavo halperin]

Kevin B. McCarty wrote:

gustavo halperin wrote:

  

I have a code that include the file "/usr/include/X11/Xlib.h", but when I try 
to compile I receive the parser error, see below:
In file included from cube.cpp:32:
/usr/include/X11/Xlib.h: In function `char* XSetOMValues(_XOM*, ...)':
/usr/include/X11/Xlib.h:3578: error: parse error before `(' token
/usr/include/X11/Xlib.h: In function `char* XGetOMValues(_XOM*, ...)':
/usr/include/X11/Xlib.h:3583: error: parse error before `(' token
..

How I can resolve this problem,



I assume that you are using the Xlib.h from the Sid or Etch libx11-dev
package, since it has definitions for the functions XSetOMValues() and
XGetOMValues() near the line numbers printed in the compiler error.
(When reporting error messages in the future, please specify whether you
are using Sarge, Etch or Sid.)

It looks to me like the compiler is complaining about the _X_SENTINEL(0)
in this code in Xlib.h:

extern char *XSetOMValues(
XOM /* om */,
...
) _X_SENTINEL(0);  // <--- Line 3578

extern char *XGetOMValues(
XOM /* om */,
...
) _X_SENTINEL(0);  // <--- Line 3583


The _X_SENTINEL macro is defined in /usr/include/X11/Xfuncproto.h -- try
installing the latest version of the x11proto-core-dev package that
supplies this file.  (Should be version 7.0.4-3 in Sid or Etch.)
  
OK, I'm using Debian Sarge version, but my X is Xorg from 
"www.backports.org/backports.org/" version 6.9. . This unofficial  
APT repository unfortunately haven't the x11proto-core-dev package, but 
the file /usr/include/X11/Xfuncproto.h is there but without the 
"_X_SENTINEL" definition.

Here is another possibility if the above suggestion doesn't work.  The
definition of _X_SENTINEL includes the GNU C extension of the
"__sentinel__" attribute, but only when __GNUC__ is defined and >= 4.
Is it possible that you are using an older compiler that doesn't
recognize __sentinel__, but for some reason your build has defined
__GNUC__ to have a value of 4 or greater anyway?
  

I have installed the gcc version 3.3.5.
After you mail I searched for the word "__sentinel__" in 
"www.google.com/linux" and I find the next solution from 
"http://www.mail-archive.com/debutant@mandrivalinux.org/msg03457.html"; :
Just add the below code to the beginning of the file 
/usr/include/X11/Xlib.h"


/* _X_SENTINEL BS */
#if defined(__GNUC__) && (__GNUC__ >= 4)
# define _X_SENTINEL(x) __attribute__ ((__sentinel__(x)))

   # define _X_ATTRIBUTE_PRINTF(x,y) 
__attribute__((__format__(__printf__,x,y)))


#else
# define _X_SENTINEL(x)
# define _X_ATTRIBUTE_PRINTF(x,y)
#endif /* GNUC >= 4 */


Now, the compilation success, and also the executable work fine. Do you 
think that my problem can be considered a bug from 
"www.backports.org/backports.org/" ? Therefore inform to they about ? 
And do you think that the fix is OK ?


 Thanks a lot for you help,
  Gustavo

Let the list know if these suggestions don't help.  It might also be
helpful if you posted the problematic file "cube.cpp".

regards,
  

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Re: terminal true type fonts

[Jochen Schulz]

cga2000:
> 
> I mean .. it's nice to impress your friends and stuff .. but even in
> your improved version .. I wouldn't want to use that on a daily basis.

Agreed. Although one should note that the MS fonts look horrible when
used with fontconfig's anti-aliasing and hinting. This would probably
look a lot better on Windows. It's the other way round with the
Bitstream Vera font family (although not that bad).

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gnokii and Nokia 5140i and sarge

[debian]

Please,

has anyone managed to connect their Nokia 5140i phone to a sarge
system via a usb cable ?  

I am getting "model specified isn't known/supported" when I run
xgnokii, after editing /etc/gnokiirc.

Perhaps it is better to go plain serial connections or perhaps there
is something better out there than gnokii ?

thanks

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Re: terminal true type fonts

[cga2000]

On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 04:56:48PM EDT, Jochen Schulz wrote:
> cga2000:
> > On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 08:06:07AM EDT, Jochen Schulz wrote:
> > 
> > > can: 
> > > 
> > How do you do that?
> 
> I was surprised myself that this "worked". Earlier attempts of using a
> proportional font in a(nother) terminal emulator looked even worse.
> 
> > I manage to get the comic sans font to display alright but it's
> > double-spaced. 
> > 
> > Version of X .. aterm ..?
> 
> It's not an aterm but xfce4-terminal. This terminal appears to do some
> magic I don't want to know about. :)
> 
LOL  ... :-O

Yeah .. looks like it converts the font on the fly so-to-speak.

I mean .. it's nice to impress your friends and stuff .. but even in
your improved version .. I wouldn't want to use that on a daily basis.

Thanks

cga


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Re: diacritic characters not displayed in printed output

[Matej Cepl]

jo vart wrote:
> Yes BitstreamVera was installed as the deb for etch (
> ttf-bitstream-vera-1.10-7)

Go and make reportbug happy!

Matěj

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Re: macromedia new windows version problem

[Paul Johnson]

On Monday 21 August 2006 10:32, Stephen wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 09:49:12AM -0700 or thereabouts, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > On Monday 21 August 2006 08:01, Stephen wrote:
> > > If it were closed source, then implementations of it wouldn't be
> > > allowed to exist such as MING, the various open source players, and
> > > editors.
> >
> > The "standard" itself is closed, so the best you can hope for is broken
> > compatibility in the long term.
>
> It is NOT a closed standard.

Show me the standards-track RFC.

> >See also: The problem with  GAIM/Trillian/Kopete/every other non-official
> > IM client for any network other  than Jabber.
>
> Strawman.

How so?

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Re: terminal true type fonts

[Jochen Schulz]

cga2000:
> On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 08:06:07AM EDT, Jochen Schulz wrote:
> 
> > can: 
> > 
> How do you do that?

I was surprised myself that this "worked". Earlier attempts of using a
proportional font in a(nother) terminal emulator looked even worse.

> I manage to get the comic sans font to display alright but it's
> double-spaced. 
> 
> Version of X .. aterm ..?

It's not an aterm but xfce4-terminal. This terminal appears to do some
magic I don't want to know about. :)

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How does one install extensions in Firefox and Thunderbird?

[Ken Heard]

I recently downloaded two extensions, one each for Firefox 1.5 and
Thunderbird 1.5.  The Firefox extension was installed in
file:///usr/lib/firefox/extensions/preferential.xpi, and the Thunderbird
 one in file:///var/lib/thunderbird/extensions/configdate-0.3.7-tb.xpi
linked from file:///usr/lib/thunderbird/extensions.

When I start each application the "Software Installation" window pops
up and asks me whether I want to install the extension in question.
However, when I answer yes by hitting the "Install Now" button, and then
go to the Tools>Extensions window, the extension is not listed.  Each
time I start those applications the same thing happens.

I am using Sarge with both Firefox 1.5 and Thunderbird 1.5 installed
from the Debian backports site.  Can anyone explain what my problem is?
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Re: terminal true type fonts

[cga2000]

On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 08:06:07AM EDT, Jochen Schulz wrote:
> Dimitar Vukman:
> > 
> > I'd like to use M$ "Comic Sans" font in aterm.
> 
> I am aware that you solved this already and I don't mean to offend you,
> but I have to say: this is an absolutely disgusting idea. Really, I mean
> it. Oh my $deity. I can't tell how much I would hate this. But wait, I
> can: 
> 
How do you do that?

I manage to get the comic sans font to display alright but it's
double-spaced. 

Version of X .. aterm ..?

Or did you convert the original proportional font to fixed?

Thanks

cga


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Re: Bug in smartmontools?

[Joshua J. Kugler]

On Monday 21 August 2006 09:53, Wackojacko wrote:
> Joshua J. Kugler wrote:
> > Sorry...forgot to mention this is on Etch, all packages latest.
> >
> > j
> >
> > On Friday 18 August 2006 12:42, Joshua J. Kugler wrote:
> >> I tried to use smartmontools on a new Dell EM64T system we have here:
> >>
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/hdtest# uname -a
> >> Linux x 2.6.16-2-em64t-p4-smp #1 SMP Sun Jul 16 02:14:40 CEST 2006
> >> x86_64 GNU/Linux
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/hdtest# smartctl -a /dev/sda
> >> smartctl version 5.36 [x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-6
> >> Bruce Allen
> >> Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/
> >>
> >> Device: ATA  WDC WD800JD-75MS Version: 10.0
> >>
> >> In Linux, SATA disks accessed via libata are only supported by
> >> smartmontools for kernel versions 2.6.15 and above. Try an additional
> >> '-d ata' argument.
> >>
> >> I'm running 2.6.16, so the message about 2.6.15 and later seems in
> >> error. Did I miss something in the release notes, or do I need to open a
> >> bug?
> >>
> >> The command *does* work with -d ata, as suggested.
>
> I think you may be misunderstanding the message.  AFAIK SATA disks were
> not supported at all by smartmontools prior to 2.6.15. They are now
> supported by libata only if you trick smartmontools into thinking its an
> ATA disk by using the '-d ata' option.

It would seem you are right.  I wonder if that message should be modified.  
Thanks for the tip!

j

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Minimum to start NFS client

[Todd A. Jacobs]

I have a box that I want to run an NFS client on, but not the server. I
installed nfs-common, but attempts to mount result in the following:

mount: storage:/mnt/storage failed, reason given by server:
Permission denied

My /etc/exports on the server seems to contain the right stuff:

/mnt/storage10.1.1.*(rw,sync,mp)

so I'm not sure what this is telling me, or how to debug it further. I
shouldn't have to run the nfs server with mountd on the client side,
right? What else could be wrong?

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Re: macromedia new windows version problem

[Stephen]

On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 02:47:12PM -0400 or thereabouts, Carl Fink wrote:
> 
> In fact, the standard is not open.
> 
> See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWF#Licensing.
> 
> In any case, "Flash" (which is a program) is not open-source, any more than
> Acrobat is just because PDF is, in fact, open.

As with Acrobat, Adobe publishes the specification. That is what I meant
by an Open Standard. I never once mentioned licensing, nor said the
license was open. Two very different kettle of fish. Actionscript is
open as well, although again Adobe is in charge of the specification.




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Re: macromedia new windows version problem

[Nicolaus Kedegren]

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> On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 13:32:49 -0400
> Stephen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 09:49:12AM -0700 or thereabouts, Paul Johnson
> > wrote:
> > > On Monday 21 August 2006 08:01, Stephen wrote:
> > 
> > > > If it were closed source, then implementations of it wouldn't be
> > > > allowed to exist such as MING, the various open source players,
> > > > and editors.
> > 
> > > The "standard" itself is closed, so the best you can hope for is
> > > broken compatibility in the long term.  
> > 
> > It is NOT a closed standard.
> 
> Please present proof of this. As in Adobe's documentation of the
> format. Any lack of prosecution by Adobe does not mean it is an open
> standard, as we witnessed with gif images in recent history.
>  
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Hi all,

After many years of hiatus from lurking this list, I am back.

The fact that a standard, or document format, is published does not
imply that it is open, it inly means that the compay (Adobe, in this
case) wants to spread it's use. Why? Market share and rcognition are two
possible reasons.


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Re: Hardware

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

[Note: reposting to debian-user, where this question is more relevant.]

On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 12:18:44PM -0400, Pat Tadgerson wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I am going to purchase a new dell server, and I am going to load a debian
> operating system on it.  I was hoping you could recommend a good server for
> me.  I ask, because I have read about so many problems with sata drives and
> raid controller problems.  I am not a real hardware person, but I would like
> a server with 2 hard drives with about 160 gigs of storage, with a raid 0
> configuration.  I will be loading expert26 manual configuration.
> 
Unless you need the big name support or your organization gets a very
good discount from Dell, then I would recommend against them.  I
purchased two TYAN Transport GT20 barebones servers (model B2865G20S4H)
in a 1U formfactor, four Seagate Barracuda 250 GB SATA drives, eight 1
GB low profile Kingston PC3200 ECC RAM modules, and two AMD Operton 148
CPUs, for approximately $2800.  Now, I think you would be hard pressed
to get the same bang for your buck from Dell.

I installed the unofficial Sarge amd64 distro and every single thing was
recognized out of the box.  The only thing I have that is not working
yet is hardware sensors, but that is more becuase I have not taken the
time to actually set it up.  Each machine runs with two hard drives in a
RAID1 configuration with LVM over top of it.

Regards,

-Roberto

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Linux Gazette

[loveboy]

Hi,

Who know the mirror which have the Linux Gazette,I can 
put it in my /etc/apt/sources.list to install it.

Thanks



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Re: macromedia new windows version problem

[Stephen]

On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 01:19:57PM -0500 or thereabouts, Jacob S wrote:
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> On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 13:32:49 -0400
> Stephen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 09:49:12AM -0700 or thereabouts, Paul Johnson
> > wrote:
> > > On Monday 21 August 2006 08:01, Stephen wrote:
> > 
> > > > If it were closed source, then implementations of it wouldn't be
> > > > allowed to exist such as MING, the various open source players,
> > > > and editors.
> > 
> > > The "standard" itself is closed, so the best you can hope for is
> > > broken compatibility in the long term.  
> > 
> > It is NOT a closed standard.
> 
> Please present proof of this. As in Adobe's documentation of the
> format. Any lack of prosecution by Adobe does not mean it is an open
> standard, as we witnessed with gif images in recent history.

It's not open in the sense the GPL is, or legally, but the following might 
interest
you, taken from Wikipedia;

However it's not a closed standard, obviously, if they release the
specifications.



"Adobe has released the specifications of the Flash file format
(excluding specifications of related formats such as AMF), and
compatible third-party tools exist. However, Macromedia retains control
of the format. Since Flash files do not depend on a truly open standard
such as SVG, this reduces the incentive for non-commercial software to
support the format, although there are several third party tools which
utilize and generate the SWF file format and a large and vibrant open
source community. Apparently, the Flash Player cannot ship as part of a
pure open source, or completely free operating system, as its
distribution is bound to the Macromedia Licensing Program and subject to
approval."

So it's a proprietary company trying to make it's product become
developer friendly. I don't have a problem with this.

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Re: macromedia new windows version problem

[Carl Fink]

On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 01:19:57PM -0500, Jacob S wrote:

> On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 13:32:49 -0400
> Stephen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 09:49:12AM -0700 or thereabouts, Paul Johnson
> > wrote:
> > > On Monday 21 August 2006 08:01, Stephen wrote:
> > 
> > > > If it were closed source, then implementations of it wouldn't be
> > > > allowed to exist such as MING, the various open source players,
> > > > and editors.
> > 
> > > The "standard" itself is closed, so the best you can hope for is
> > > broken compatibility in the long term.  
> > 
> > It is NOT a closed standard.
> 
> Please present proof of this. As in Adobe's documentation of the
> format. Any lack of prosecution by Adobe does not mean it is an open
> standard, as we witnessed with gif images in recent history.

In fact, the standard is not open.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWF#Licensing.

In any case, "Flash" (which is a program) is not open-source, any more than
Acrobat is just because PDF is, in fact, open.
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Re: Strange Boxes instead of letter-font in X

[George Borisov]

Hello,

I am having a similar problem with fonts on one of my Debian PCs.

One PC is able to display Chinese characters in Firefox, the
other one displays boxes with numbers in them instead.

Both machines run Sid, the one that doesn't work is running a
much older install (about 2 years older than the machine that works.)

Both have the same font packages installed.

Running xlsfonts produces exactly the same output (ran it though
diff).

xset -q shows the same font paths.

fc-list I'm not sure about, because the output has some strange
characters in it and maybe messes with diff.

Any ideas what is causing the difference in results?


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Migrating from an IDE hard drive to a SATA drive (Debian 3.1r0a AMD64)

[James Buchwald]

Hi,I'm trying to move my entire installation from a 10GB IDE drive to a 250GB Western Digital SATA drive. I built a new 2.6.17.8 kernel, and it detects the SATA drive. I've mounted it, partitioned and formatted it to ext3, and copied everything on my IDE drive to it. However, when I try to use GRUB to setup the master boot record, I get this:
#grub

grub>root (hd1,0)

 Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83

grub>setup(hd1)

 Checking if "/boot/grub/stage1" exists... yes

 Checking if "/boot/grub/stage2" exists... yes

 Checking if "/boot/grub/e2fs_stage1_5" exists... yes

 Running "embed /boot/grub/e2fs_stage1_5 (hd1)"... 16 sectors are embedded

succeeded

Segmentation faultI've edited my /boot/grub/device.map and my /boot/grub/menu.lst. The device.map looks like this:(hd0)   /dev/sdaI've set all of the root= flags in the menu.lst to /dev/sda1. Now I have no idea what to do. Any ideas? Thanks in advance.

Re: possible server compromitation

[David Siroky]

Jon Dowland píše v Po 21. 08. 2006 v 19:05 +0100:
> On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 06:44:00PM +0200, David Siroky
> wrote:
> > Attackers deleted all access.log and error.log files
> > (which I had among the web files)
> 
> I assume by "among the web files" you mean you'd adjusted
> permissions on the logging directory so the apache user
> could write to them: by default, with apache2/debian, the
> www-data user cannot write to /var/log/apache2, and tampered
> logs would indicate a root-level exploit.
> 
> > I know that there is a security issue in mod_rewrite but I
> > don't use it.  Maybe PHP is unsafe. It is a mystery to me.
> 
> If you are correct and no root-level permissions were
> obtained, it is quite likely to be a badly written web
> application, rather than a vulnerability in apache2 or php
> itself.
> 

I finally found the hole. It was a badly written application
(fortunately not by me :-). The server has PHP directive
"allow_url_fopen on" and the application was passing one parameter
directly into include(...) without checking. The parameter was used to
include an enemy script.

Not I can sleep again :-)


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Samsung SE-S164L dvd writer and Debian

[H.S.]

I am thinking of buying Samsung SE-S164L external DVD writer, USB 2.0, 
which is available for around 48 bucks. I was wondering if there is any 
problem with using it on Debian Etch or Sid. Anybody have any experience 
with this particular model, or with Samsung dvd writers? Specially a bad 
experience?


->HS



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Re: Asus sucks (Re: sata sucks)

[hendrik]

On Sun, Aug 20, 2006 at 12:19:37AM -0400, Nick Lidakis wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >No.  I'm insinuating that *I* don't have my beloved box plugged into a 
> >high quality APC UPS?
> >
> >-- hendrik
> >
> >
> >  
> Is that a statement? You do have question mark at the end of the sentence.

Cut and paste without adequate editing.  SHould have been a period.

> Too bad. You can get a name brand UPS for about 35.00 USD these days.

How long do they sustain operation if the power fails?

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Re: weird symptom - possible infection

[Miles Fidelman]

Hi Björn,

Thanks for the leads, so far, though

Björn Ballard wrote:

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Miles,

Although I've not come across anything like this before
if you suspect an infection try looking at the output
from something like:

ps -aef | less
  

nothing suspicious

for anything obviously out of place.  If nothing seems
obviously wrong compare the number of processes
returned by:

ps -ax | wc -l

and:

ls -d /proc/* | grep [0-9] | wc -l

  

same number of processes


Could you post extracts from the log files for around
the time of the spontaneous reset?
  
ok, another look and I do find some suspicious stuff -- I've been having 
a number of people try to crack the machine for a while, but (I thought) 
to no avail


from auth.log on both machines:

a whole slew of these, and similar entries with different user names 
(both 8/7 and 8/21 logs)
Aug  7 08:49:07 server2 sshd[11271]: Illegal user diamond from 
:::60.28.24.84
Aug  7 08:49:10 server2 sshd[11273]: Illegal user heaven from 
:::60.28.24.84
Aug  7 08:49:12 server2 sshd[11275]: Illegal user guadalupe from 
:::60.28.24.84


and these (only the earlier log):
Aug  7 06:48:02 server2 sshd[6567]: Address 66.132.182.28 maps to 
goldcrownresor

t.com, but this does not map back to the address - POSSIBLE BREAKIN ATTEMPT!
Aug  7 06:48:03 server2 sshd[6569]: Address 66.132.182.28 maps to 
goldcrownresor

t.com, but this does not map back to the address - POSSIBLE BREAKIN ATTEMPT!
Aug  7 06:48:03 server2 sshd[6571]: Address 66.132.182.28 maps to 
goldcrownresor

t.com, but this does not map back to the address - POSSIBLE BREAKIN ATTEMPT!
Aug  7 06:48:04 server2 sshd[6573]: Address 66.132.182.28 maps to 
goldcrownresor

t.com, but this does not map back to the address - POSSIBLE BREAKIN ATTEMPT!

BUT... the events stopped a couple of hours before the reboot

from auth.log on 1st server, today:

Aug 21 11:50:01 server1 CRON[27533]: (pam_unix) session closed for user root
Aug 21 11:55:01 server1 CRON[27540]: (pam_unix) session opened for user 
root by

(uid=0)
Aug 21 11:55:01 server1 CRON[27540]: (pam_unix) session closed for user root
Aug 21 12:00:01 server1 CRON[27550]: (pam_unix) session opened for user 
root by

(uid=0)
Aug 21 12:00:01 server1 CRON[27550]: (pam_unix) session closed for user root
Aug 21 12:02:01 server1 CRON[27556]: (pam_unix) session opened for user 
logcheck

by (uid=0)
Aug 21 12:02:04 server1 CRON[27556]: (pam_unix) session closed for user 
logcheck

Aug 21 12:05:43 server1 sshd[3166]: Server listening on :: port 22.
Aug 21 12:05:44 server1 perl: (pam_unix) authentication failure; 
logname= uid=0

euid=0 tty= ruser= rhost=  user=root
Aug 21 12:05:46 server1 webmin[3187]: Webmin starting
Aug 21 12:05:46 server1 CRON[3296]: (pam_unix) session opened for user 
logcheck

by (uid=0)
Aug 21 12:05:50 server1 CRON[3296]: (pam_unix) session closed for user 
logcheck
Aug 21 12:09:01 server1 CRON[4163]: (pam_unix) session opened for user 
root by (

uid=0)

the two lines that caught my eye are:
Aug 21 12:05:43 server1 sshd[3166]: Server listening on :: port 22.
Aug 21 12:05:44 server1 perl: (pam_unix) authentication failure; 
logname= uid=0

euid=0 tty= ruser= rhost=  user=root

I know that I wasn't trying to log on then.  Perhaps somebody was trying 
to break in with something that crashed the machine, immediately 
followed by an attempt to log in as root. But I can't find anything like 
this on the other server or for the previous crashes, and it looks like 
it failed.


From syslog on the more built up machine (note the artifacts of the 
partial amavisd/clam install):
Aug 21 11:55:18 server1 postfix/smtp[27539]: connect to 
example.com[192.0.34.166

]: Connection timed out (port 25)
Aug 21 11:55:18 server1 postfix/smtp[27539]: 702D8B64492: 
to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]
.com>, relay=none, delay=9984, status=deferred (connect to 
example.com[192.0.34.

166]: Connection timed out)
Aug 21 12:00:01 server1 /USR/SBIN/CRON[27551]: (root) CMD (if [ -x 
/usr/bin/vnst
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-u; fi)
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-x /usr/s

bin/logcheck ]; then nice -n10 /usr/sbin/logcheck; fi)
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Re: terminal true type fonts

[T]

[please quote appropriately next time]

On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 07:32:21 +0200, Dimitar Vukman wrote:

>> ---
>> $ aterm -fn "-microsoft-comic sans ms-medium-r-normal-*-0-0-0-0-*-0-*-1"
>> aterm: can't load font "-microsoft-comic sans
>> ms-medium-r-normal-*-0-0-0-0-*-0-*-1"
>> ---
> 
> what's the output of the following, after restarting X?
> 
> $ xlsfonts | grep comic

$ xlsfonts | grep comic
-microsoft-comic sans ms-bold-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-ascii-0
-microsoft-comic sans ms-bold-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-ascii-0
-microsoft-comic sans ms-bold-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-ascii-0
-microsoft-comic sans ms-bold-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-ascii-0
-microsoft-comic sans ms-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-ascii-0
-microsoft-comic sans ms-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-ascii-0
-microsoft-comic sans ms-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-ascii-0
-microsoft-comic sans ms-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-ascii-0

> Yes I can see the problem. Ideas?

Did you mean that you realized that you've given the wrong font name? Then
give it the right one, like this:

 aterm -fn "-microsoft-comic sans ms-medium-r-normal-*-12-*-*-*-*-*-*-*"

I don't have aterm, but the following works for me:

 rxvt -fn "-microsoft-comic sans ms-medium-r-normal-*-12-*-*-*-*-*-*-*"

HTH

tong



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Re: macromedia new windows version problem

[Jacob S]

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On Mon, 21 Aug 2006 13:32:49 -0400
Stephen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 09:49:12AM -0700 or thereabouts, Paul Johnson
> wrote:
> > On Monday 21 August 2006 08:01, Stephen wrote:
> 
> > > If it were closed source, then implementations of it wouldn't be
> > > allowed to exist such as MING, the various open source players,
> > > and editors.
> 
> > The "standard" itself is closed, so the best you can hope for is
> > broken compatibility in the long term.  
> 
> It is NOT a closed standard.

Please present proof of this. As in Adobe's documentation of the
format. Any lack of prosecution by Adobe does not mean it is an open
standard, as we witnessed with gif images in recent history.
 
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Pumping Gas in Oregon (WAS: Re: Osama Bin Laden Take Over List!)

[Marc Shapiro]

Paul Johnson wrote:


The upswing day-to-day upswing is that we usually pay less for gas than

neighboring states:  Insurance for self service is more expensive than hiring 
someone to sit in the kiosk and wrangle pumps, and the gas line moves faster 
since you're not having to wait behind grandma to get the job done.  Another 
side effect of having minimum-service islands everywhere is they tend to be 
one-way, so if you're lucky enough to have a right-hand gas tank, the line is 
far shorter, if there is one.
 

Actually, I have found that the lines are longer, here in Oregon, than 
when I lived elsewhere.  I do not have a right hand gas tank, so I get 
to sit in a long line and look at the other, empty lane, being unused.  
For those of us with left hand gas tanks (the majority), after I get to 
move up to a pump I have to wait for the attendant to get to me to pump 
my gas, instead of just getting out and pumping my own.  Then, after the 
tank is full, I have to wait for them to get back to me, just to take 
the nozzle out and hand me my receipt.  This usually adds at least a 
minute, if not more, to my time at the pump, not including any 
additional time waiting in line to get to a pump.  If we eliminated that 
extra time at the pump it would virtually eliminate any waiting in line, 
as well.


Having pumped my own gas for 32 years and in many states prior to moving 
to Oregon, I can say that I have probably seen as many gas spills from 
gas station attendants as from self pumping customers.  The total number 
of spills, from either, sources, is rather low.


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Re: possible server compromitation

[Jon Dowland]

On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 06:44:00PM +0200, David Siroky
wrote:
> Attackers deleted all access.log and error.log files
> (which I had among the web files)

I assume by "among the web files" you mean you'd adjusted
permissions on the logging directory so the apache user
could write to them: by default, with apache2/debian, the
www-data user cannot write to /var/log/apache2, and tampered
logs would indicate a root-level exploit.

> I know that there is a security issue in mod_rewrite but I
> don't use it.  Maybe PHP is unsafe. It is a mystery to me.

If you are correct and no root-level permissions were
obtained, it is quite likely to be a badly written web
application, rather than a vulnerability in apache2 or php
itself.

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Re: weird symptom - possible infection

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Miles,

Although I've not come across anything like this before
if you suspect an infection try looking at the output
from something like:

ps -aef | less

for anything obviously out of place.  If nothing seems
obviously wrong compare the number of processes
returned by:

ps -ax | wc -l

and:

ls -d /proc/* | grep [0-9] | wc -l

But do remember that the ps command's count will be one
higher than the ls command's as ps has a header row
that is count.

May show absolutely nothing, but it is a start point.

Could you post extracts from the log files for around
the time of the spontaneous reset?

Björn

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Re: Bug in smartmontools?

[Wackojacko]

Joshua J. Kugler wrote:

Sorry...forgot to mention this is on Etch, all packages latest.

j

On Friday 18 August 2006 12:42, Joshua J. Kugler wrote:

I tried to use smartmontools on a new Dell EM64T system we have here:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/hdtest# uname -a
Linux x 2.6.16-2-em64t-p4-smp #1 SMP Sun Jul 16 02:14:40 CEST 2006
x86_64 GNU/Linux
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/hdtest# smartctl -a /dev/sda
smartctl version 5.36 [x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-6 Bruce
Allen
Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/

Device: ATA  WDC WD800JD-75MS Version: 10.0

In Linux, SATA disks accessed via libata are only supported by
smartmontools for kernel versions 2.6.15 and above. Try an additional '-d
ata' argument.

I'm running 2.6.16, so the message about 2.6.15 and later seems in error. 
Did I miss something in the release notes, or do I need to open a bug?


The command *does* work with -d ata, as suggested.

j

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I think you may be misunderstanding the message.  AFAIK SATA disks were 
not supported at all by smartmontools prior to 2.6.15. They are now 
supported by libata only if you trick smartmontools into thinking its an 
ATA disk by using the '-d ata' option.



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Re: Problem with: #include

[Kevin B. McCarty]

gustavo halperin wrote:

> I have a code that include the file "/usr/include/X11/Xlib.h", but when I try 
> to compile I receive the parser error, see below:
> In file included from cube.cpp:32:
> /usr/include/X11/Xlib.h: In function `char* XSetOMValues(_XOM*, ...)':
> /usr/include/X11/Xlib.h:3578: error: parse error before `(' token
> /usr/include/X11/Xlib.h: In function `char* XGetOMValues(_XOM*, ...)':
> /usr/include/X11/Xlib.h:3583: error: parse error before `(' token
> ..
> 
> How I can resolve this problem,

I assume that you are using the Xlib.h from the Sid or Etch libx11-dev
package, since it has definitions for the functions XSetOMValues() and
XGetOMValues() near the line numbers printed in the compiler error.
(When reporting error messages in the future, please specify whether you
are using Sarge, Etch or Sid.)

It looks to me like the compiler is complaining about the _X_SENTINEL(0)
in this code in Xlib.h:

extern char *XSetOMValues(
XOM /* om */,
...
) _X_SENTINEL(0);  // <--- Line 3578

extern char *XGetOMValues(
XOM /* om */,
...
) _X_SENTINEL(0);  // <--- Line 3583


The _X_SENTINEL macro is defined in /usr/include/X11/Xfuncproto.h -- try
installing the latest version of the x11proto-core-dev package that
supplies this file.  (Should be version 7.0.4-3 in Sid or Etch.)

Here is another possibility if the above suggestion doesn't work.  The
definition of _X_SENTINEL includes the GNU C extension of the
"__sentinel__" attribute, but only when __GNUC__ is defined and >= 4.
Is it possible that you are using an older compiler that doesn't
recognize __sentinel__, but for some reason your build has defined
__GNUC__ to have a value of 4 or greater anyway?

Let the list know if these suggestions don't help.  It might also be
helpful if you posted the problematic file "cube.cpp".

regards,

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Re: masquerading gone bad after new ip

[Robert Van Horn]

On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 09:05:13PM +1000, Cameron Lowe wrote:
> >
> >  
> Can you access the outside world from your firewall/router? You may want 
> to check your routes.

Hi, Thanks for the reply. 
iptables -L -v is my friend. I was just a little
confused. :-(

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weird symptom - possible infection

[Miles Fidelman]

Folks,

I'm in the process of building two new servers - each is in a different 
state of software installation.


The thing is, I've had a weird symptom that's now occurred twice:

- at 12:02pm, BOTH servers spontaneously rebooted
- this also happened exactly two weeks ago (12:02pm, 14 days ago)
- as far as I can tell, there's nothing at all suspicious in the log 
files on either machine


The first time, I immediately suspected a power glitch - but I'm in a 
datacenter for reliable power, UPCs per rack, and there was no 
indication of a power event.


This time, the exactness of the two week period makes this look like 
either a lurking bug in some piece of software, or a virus infection. 

Machine 1 is pretty bare bones - not much beyond the basic Sarge 
distribution.
Machine 2 has a lot more on it - I've been building it up - Apache, 
Postfix, working on amasid/etc. right now...


Does this look like anything anybody has come across in the past?  Any 
suggestions as to where to start looking would be really helpful.


Thanks very much,

Miles Fidelman


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Re: macromedia new windows version problem

[Stephen]

On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 09:49:12AM -0700 or thereabouts, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Monday 21 August 2006 08:01, Stephen wrote:

> > If it were closed source, then implementations of it wouldn't be allowed
> > to exist such as MING, the various open source players, and editors.

> The "standard" itself is closed, so the best you can hope for is broken 
> compatibility in the long term.  

It is NOT a closed standard.

>See also: The problem with  GAIM/Trillian/Kopete/every other non-official 
IM client for any network other  than Jabber.

Strawman.


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Re: macromedia new windows version problem

[Paul Johnson]

On Monday 21 August 2006 08:01, Stephen wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 10:04:13AM -0400 or thereabouts, Carl Fink wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 08:43:04AM -0400, Stephen wrote:
> > > On Sun, Aug 20, 2006 at 05:29:33PM -0700 or thereabouts, Paul Johnson 
wrote:
> > > > On Sunday 20 August 2006 14:44, Derek wrote:
> > > > > If more people complain,maybe they will release it sooner.
> > > >
> > > > I doubt it, but if you really want promote closed source software, go
> > > > ahead and keep whining.  :o)
> > >
> > > Paul, Flash is not closed source.
> >
> > Really?  Show me the source.  (Hint: yes it is.)
>
> If it were closed source, then implementations of it wouldn't be allowed
> to exist such as MING, the various open source players, and editors.

The "standard" itself is closed, so the best you can hope for is broken 
compatibility in the long term.  See also: The problem with 
GAIM/Trillian/Kopete/every other non-official IM client for any network other 
than Jabber.

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Re: X.org killed my ATI TV

[Bernd Schubert]

Kent West wrote:

> Bernd Schubert wrote:
>> Kent West wrote:
>>
>>   
>>> I kept hoping that a new upgrade of the box would bring in the necessary
>>> stuff to get it working again, as the GATOS site indicated (as well as I
>>> could make out - the site's not organized in a way that I can make much
>>> sense of it) that all the ati.2 driver stuff had been moved into the
>>> X.org project.
>>> 
>>
>> >From gatos.sf.net
>>
>>News
>>Radeon TV-input code has been merged into X.Org CVS, to appear in
>>release 7.0.
>>
>> A r128 is not a radeon card, isn't it?
>>
>>   
> Perhaps if I were more of a hardware-buff, I'd have recognized the
> import of that statement.

AFAIK, the Radeon and the Rage series are internally entirely different (the
r128 means rage128).

> 
> That site also mentions that "Bogdan Diaconescu has ported rage128 and
> radeon parts of ati.2 code to XFree86 4.4.0 - the new code is in module
> ati.4.4.0 in GATOS CVS."
> 
> So, with the clue you've thrown at me, and with this additional
> statement, it looks like my Rage 128 is not going to work with X.org,
> and I'll have to go back to XFree86. Am I understanding correctly? What
> does this mean for using Debian? It was my understanding that Debian is
> dropping XFree86 support in favor of X.org.

Yep, could be possible that nobody has ported this code to Xorg yet.

> Okay; here's the full log:
> http://www.acu.edu/~westk/Xorg.0.log

Hmm, nothing that it even tries to detect the tv-in capabilities. You could
try to add a line 

Load "theatre_detect"

to your 'Section "Module"'.

Lets see what your Xorg logfile will say after this. If it doesn't help, you
should ask on a Xorg list.

Cheers,
Bernd


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Re: possible server compromitation

[David Siroky]

Sergio Cuéllar Valdés píše v Po 21. 08. 2006 v 09:51 -0500:
> On 8/21/06, David Siroky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > I have an urgent situation. On one of my servers disapeared all apache
> > "error.log" and "access.log" files and other files containing "logo" or
> > "login". I found some unknown processes.
> >
> > # ps -el
> > ...
> > 1 S  5000  1008 1  0  75   0 -   572 -  ?00:00:16 iroffer
> > 0 S  5000  7574 1  0  76   0 -  1390 -  ?00:02:28 sifler.pl
> 
> Ooops,   you should disconnect your box from the network, and then
> check that files.
> 
> Do you have some LAMP application running in your server ?
> 
> Check the meesages files.
> 
> 

I have LAMP (PHP).

After an investigation I found that there was only a iroffer bot
(http://iroffer.org/), process faker and somebody used tools from
http://fullzonelista.altervista.org/ to make my server a warez server.

chkrootkit and rkhunter don't report any rootkits and those processes
were so obvious that I assume I found all the "bad" files.

The attack came through an apache2 so the attackers were able to
manipulate only web files (they had only http server priviledges).
Attackers deleted all access.log and error.log files (which I had among
the web files) so I can't trace the security hole.
I know that there is a security issue in mod_rewrite but I don't use it.
Maybe PHP is unsafe. It is a mystery to me. Now I "doubled" the apache
logging so next time they will not be able to delete all "entry"
evidence (I hope they will attack again :-).

David



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Re: cups newbie

[Kenward Vaughan]

On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 02:29:24PM +0200, Ionel Mugurel Ciobica wrote:
> Thank you all for replying to my post. I will answer individually
> to all of you.
> 
> If anyone still know how to help me I will appreciate any hint.
> 
> 
> 
> Russell L. Harris wrote:
> > To use the CUPS webadmin page, the username is 'root' and the
> > password is the password of 'root'.
> 
> I can't get to that, I am not asked any user/password.
> http://localhost:631/ works but none of the links from there like
> http://localhost:631/admin/ etc.
> 
> Colin wrote:
> > Or you could add your user to the lpadmin group and use that user's
> > name and password.
> 
> I can't do that, I am not asked any user/password. (See my original
> post).
> 
...

I'm coming into this in the middle, so I don't know what your original
post had in it.  Yet, your response to the above suggests a possible
misunderstanding of the thought offered by Colin.

>From the console or an xterm window, type 
id
and see if you, the user, have "lpadmin" listed as one of your groups.

If so, then do send the contents of your cupsd.conf file, since the
following won't apply (unless you never logged completely off since
being added to the group--if so, see below).

If not, log in as root at the console or an xterm window.  Then type 
adduser yourLoginName lpadmin

Log out of X-window COMPLETELY, to the point that you must log back in
as the user at the console (or gdm/kdm/whatever), and restart X-window. 
Now try again to access things under localhost:631, using your name and
password (not root's) when asked.

HTH,


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Problem with: #include

[gustavo halperin]

Hello

I have a code that include the file "/usr/include/X11/Xlib.h", but when 
I try to compile I receive the parser error, see below:

   In file included from cube.cpp:32:
   /usr/include/X11/Xlib.h: In function `char* XSetOMValues(_XOM*, 
...)':

   /usr/include/X11/Xlib.h:3578: error: parse error before `(' token
   /usr/include/X11/Xlib.h: In function `char* XGetOMValues(_XOM*, 
...)':

   /usr/include/X11/Xlib.h:3583: error: parse error before `(' token
  ..

How I can resolve this problem,
 Thank you,
   Gustavo

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Re: diacritic characters not displayed in printed output

[jo vart]

Yes BitstreamVera was installed as the deb for etch (ttf-bitstream-vera-1.10-7) pdffonts  my.pdf: name type emb sub uni object ID  --- --- --- -
BA+BitstreamVeraSerif-Roman  TrueType yes yes yes 12  0pdfinfo my.pdf:Creator:WriterProducer:   OpenOffice.org 2.0CreationDate:   Sun Aug 20 11:19:09 2006Tagged: no
Pages:  2Encrypted:  noPage size:  595 x 842 pts (A4)File size:  21800 bytesOptimized:  noPDF version:1.4I also created another file (in oowriter) for testing purposes, using a couple of different fonts - truetype and type 1.
Interestingly enough the TT font that I installed 'manually' (BaarMetanoia) and the type1 font LMRoman produced correct output as displayed by  gs -sDEVICE=x11alpha (and in print). pdffonts test.pdf:
name type    emb sub uni object ID  --- --- --- -BA+BaarMetanoia  TrueType yes yes yes 24  0    <-- correct diacritics
CA+BitstreamVeraSans-Roman   TrueType yes yes yes 19  0 <-- faultyEA+ComicSansMS   TrueType yes yes yes 29  0    <-- faultyLMRoman10-RegularType 1   yes no  yes 34  0   <-- correct
GA+PalatinoLinotype-RomanTrueType yes yes yes  9  0   <-- faultyj väärt

Re: macromedia new windows version problem

[Stephen]

On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 04:27:06PM +0100 or thereabouts, George Borisov wrote:
> Stephen wrote:
> > 
> > Adobe Flash Player is closed source, but there are other Flash Players.
> > The specification is open source.
> 
> True, but none of these players (AFAIK) support Flash 8/9
> formats. (BTW, if they do then please let me know, as I am
> getting fed up of the, increasingly more common, "upgrade your
> player" notice.)

Well, what should they do, not offer the option to upgrade? Sheesh one
can't win. Flash is a moving target these days, as a lot of
functionality is being built in to move it from just an animation
package to something more dynamic. Since this all started with Flash
Player 8 (which was a major rewrite) and 9 is just around the corner,
the decision was made to go straight to 9 for Linux. I'd rather it be
done right than rushed out the door with a poor implementation.

> The original question was specifically about the proprietary player.

Weren't you given a web URL right to Adobe website regarding this ?  
They're working on it actively, in fact one developers blog has an 
entry regarding the most important person at Adobe these days, perhaps 
you might wish to read it;



or tiny url;



FWIW Adobe appears to be gearing up to make Flash platform agnostic.
This is a good thing IMO. We just need to be a little patient. ;)

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Re: Osama Bin Laden Take Over List!

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 01:15:06AM -0400, Hal Vaughan wrote:
> On Sunday 20 August 2006 23:43, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > Paul Johnson wrote:
> > > On Sunday 20 August 2006 18:47, Hal Vaughan wrote:
> > >> I heard the purpose of the law was to create jobs.
> > >
> > > Nope.  By order of the Department of Environmental Quality
> > > because spilled gas causes air and water pollution, and by order
> > > State Fire Marshall because it's also a fire hazard.  If Oregon
> > > needed more dead-end minimum-wage jobs, Oregon
> >
> > I just don't hear of very many gas stations blowing up.
> >
> > Anyone else?  (/First Blood/ doesn't count.)
> 
> Didn't one or two blow up in the Terminator movies?
> 
> Or how about the gas truck in Thelma and Louise?
> 

How about the Hitcher! Rutger Hauer at his finest. 

Hey wait a minute. A terrorist has hacked the debian list servers and
here we are talking about blowing up gas stations in state with or
without bad drivers operating cars that might not have the required
computer operators license. 


The terrorist have truly won!

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Re: possible server compromitation

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 12:03:08PM +0200, David Siroky wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I have an urgent situation. On one of my servers disapeared all apache
> "error.log" and "access.log" files and other files containing "logo" or
> "login". I found some unknown processes.
> 
> # ps -el
> ...
> 1 S  5000  1008 1  0  75   0 -   572 -  ?00:00:16 iroffer
> 0 S  5000  7574 1  0  76   0 -  1390 -  ?00:02:28 sifler.pl
> ...
> 
> # ps -elf
> ...
> 1 S siteman   1008 1  0  75   0 -   572 -  Aug20 ?00:00:16 
> /usr/sbin/apache2 -b php
> ...
> 0 S siteman   7574 1  0  76   0 -  1390 -  00:50 ?00:02:28 
> /usr/local/apache/bin/httpd
> ...
> 
> # netstat -tp
> ...
> tcp0  0 myserver:5108789.163.188.1.stati:ircd 
> ESTABLISHED7574/httpd
> ...
> tcp0  0 myserver:48680216.75.30.87:ircd   
> ESTABLISHED1008/apache2
> ...
> 
> In /usr/local there is no directory "apache" and no regular (my) http
> server is running now. User "siteman" (UID 5000) is a user I assigned to
> the regular apache2 and proftpd server. My system is Debian testing. So
> far I didn't found any trace where the possible intruded found a way
> into my server.
> 
> Thank you for any advice.
> 

You cannot trust any binaries on a compromoised system, espcially ps as
it is one of the ones any decent root kit would replace in order to hide
its presence.  That said, you can boot from Knoppix or another live CD
and check the md5sums of all the files in your packages (I believe
debsums would be helpful for this).

If you even think that the machine may be compromised then:

- immediately shut down the machine
- boot from the live CD, attach an external drive
- image the compromised drive
- do all forensic work on the image
- if possible, figure out the attack vector
- wipe the original drive and reinstall
- make sure you have closed off the attack vector
- if the hole is in a Debian package, file a critical bug against it

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: booting up the system

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 02:10:21AM -0300, Iuri Sampaio wrote:
> So far I've got some improvement, but I'm still stuck on the grub
> installation process.
> 
>  
> 
> I followed the steps you listed bellow, but on knoppix environment, instead
> of Debian Installation CD
> 
> 2) orient yourself in the partitions with fdisk -l /dev/hda
> 
> 2) mount /dev/hda1 /mnt
> 
> 3) chroot /mnt
> 
> 4) grub-install
> 
>  
> 
> On the 4th step, I ran grub-install and got this error message
> 
>  
> 
[ snip many linesof commands not found ]

have you fully setup the chroot environment? Do you have /usr on a
seperate partition? you need to mount your partitions (especially
probably /usr, /boot etc) within the chroot before stuff works
correctly. I would do it from outside the chroot before chrooting in
to the environment. 

for example, in my setup I would 

mount /dev/hda2 /mnt
mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/boot
mount /dev/hdb3 /mnt/usr
...
chroot /mnt

your setup will obviously be different.

> 
> GNU GRUB  version 0.95  (640K lower / 3072K upper memory)

> 
> [ Minimal BASH-like line editing is supported.  For the first word, TAB
> 
>lists possible command completions.  Anywhere else TAB lists the possible
> 
>completions of a device/filename. ]
> 
> grub> root (hd0,)
>  
> 
> Error 12: Invalid device requested
> 
> grub> setup  --stage2=/boot/grub/stage2 --prefix=/boot/grub (hd0)
>  
> 
> Error 12: Invalid device requested
> 
> grub> quit
> 
>  
> 
> Furthermore, on debian CD installation, I skip to another terminal, alt+f2,
> and tried to orient myself where and what are the partitions, but the hda
> device (the hard disk), is not recognized, I tried to mount it up, but it
> says there are no such file or directory.
> 
>  
> 

I think (not positive) that you need to work your way through the
installer until it launches the partitioner, at that point you can be
sure that the system is set up to see the harddrive. Or you could
manualy insmod or modprobe the modules required to see your hard disk.

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Re: macromedia new windows version problem

[George Borisov]

Stephen wrote:
>
> We should be rejoicing in the fact, that Adobe is now going to
> be supporting Linux actively in terms of Flash, and Flex.



Erm... woot? *waves a little flag*




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Re: Why are sarge-ISO's not signed with the ftpmaster-key???

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 02:29:10PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> >
> >I assume the ftpmaster key is not used because the FTP
> >masters have nothing to do with the CD images.
> 
> Yes, exactly. Maybe it's time to set up an extra CD images key for
> this use...

This is probably a good point to raise on debian-project.

-Roberto

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Re: macromedia new windows version problem

[George Borisov]

Stephen wrote:
> 
> Adobe Flash Player is closed source, but there are other Flash Players.
> The specification is open source.

True, but none of these players (AFAIK) support Flash 8/9
formats. (BTW, if they do then please let me know, as I am
getting fed up of the, increasingly more common, "upgrade your
player" notice.)

The original question was specifically about the proprietary player.


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Re: Debian support for Marvell Yukon Gigabit Ethernet NIC?

[Eduard Bloch]

#include 
* Yu,Glen [Ontario] [Mon, Aug 21 2006, 09:52:26AM]:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> Over the weekend I decide to put Debian on my new PC at home, and while
> it was detecting hardware, it said it couldn't find the proper driver
> for my NIC (Marvell Yukon Gigabit) that's onboard my ASUS MB (P4P800??
> I forgot; but I can confirm once I get home).  I quickly checked

I have an Asus board with VIA Athlon64 chipset. I tried the drivers from
their homepage (and from their partners) but it almost never worked for
me, it simply refused to detect the card. However, the sky2 driver in
a recent kernel worked almost well. (it only stoped working after
suspend-to-disk).

Eduard.

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Re: cups newbie

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 02:29:24PM +0200, Ionel Mugurel Ciobica wrote:
> Thank you all for replying to my post. I will answer individually
> to all of you.
> 
> If anyone still know how to help me I will appreciate any hint.
> 
> 
> 

[snip lots of info about how the cups server is denying access]

you should probably provide us you a copy of your /etc/cups/cupsd.conf
(if you haven't already, I've lost the beginning of this thread).

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Re: macromedia new windows version problem

[Stephen]

On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 10:04:13AM -0400 or thereabouts, Carl Fink wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 08:43:04AM -0400, Stephen wrote:
> > On Sun, Aug 20, 2006 at 05:29:33PM -0700 or thereabouts, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > > On Sunday 20 August 2006 14:44, Derek wrote:
> > > > If more people complain,maybe they will release it sooner.
> > > 
> > > I doubt it, but if you really want promote closed source software, go 
> > > ahead 
> > > and keep whining.  :o)
> > 
> > Paul, Flash is not closed source.
> 
> Really?  Show me the source.  (Hint: yes it is.)

Here is a website that is all about OpenSource Flash for your perusal.
You'll note that there are a few applications for Flash editors, and players
as well as some toolkits if you scroll;



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Re: macromedia new windows version problem

[Stephen]

On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 03:27:52PM +0100 or thereabouts, George Borisov wrote:
> Stephen wrote:
> > 
> > Paul, Flash is not closed source.
> 
> While some of Paul's post was unnecessarily harsh, he was quite
> correct on this point.
> 
> Adobe Flash Player _is_ closed source, as far as I know.

Adobe Flash Player is closed source, but there are other Flash Players.
The specification is open source.


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-- I mean negative capability, that is, when a man is capable of being
in uncertainties, mysteries, doubts, without any irritable reaching
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Re: macromedia new windows version problem

[Stephen]

On Sun, Aug 20, 2006 at 02:44:07PM -0700 or thereabouts, Derek wrote:
> If more people complain,maybe they will release it sooner.

No they won't -- It's actively being worked on NOW. Some things just
take time. We should be rejoicing in the fact, that Adobe is now going to
be supporting Linux actively in terms of Flash, and Flex.

I'd rather wait until they do it right, than have them rush it out the
door, simply because of people complaining.

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Re: macromedia new windows version problem

[Stephen]

On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 10:04:13AM -0400 or thereabouts, Carl Fink wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 08:43:04AM -0400, Stephen wrote:
> > On Sun, Aug 20, 2006 at 05:29:33PM -0700 or thereabouts, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > > On Sunday 20 August 2006 14:44, Derek wrote:
> > > > If more people complain,maybe they will release it sooner.
> > > 
> > > I doubt it, but if you really want promote closed source software, go 
> > > ahead 
> > > and keep whining.  :o)
> > 
> > Paul, Flash is not closed source.
> 
> Really?  Show me the source.  (Hint: yes it is.)

If it were closed source, then implementations of it wouldn't be allowed
to exist such as MING, the various open source players, and editors.

It's much like PDF, there is one company, Adobe, in charge of the 
specification, 
but it's open. 

Maybe not the license you like, but it's open source.


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RE: Debian support for Marvell Yukon Gigabit Ethernet NIC?

[Yu,Glen [Ontario]]

 
Hi,

Well, I compiled it into kernel directly (Y rather than M), so the
sk98lin.ko module wouldn't be there anyway, but I guess I can try
compiling it as a module instead tonight and see if that makes a
difference.

Thanks.

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Subject: Re: Debian support for Marvell Yukon Gigabit Ethernet NIC?

Yu,Glen [Ontario] wrote:
> 
> I recompiled the kernel and...still
> nothing -- ifconfig only shows the loopback and no eth0.

Hello,

Silly question, but did you compile it in as a module? If so, did you
load said module?


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Changing fstab and re-mounting disks

[Damon L. Chesser]

Here is one I can not explain:  A user wanted to mount a vfat partition 
(/dev/hda4) to /mnt/hda4.  His fstab had this line in it:


/dev/hda4 /mnt/hda4 auto defualts,rw,users,owner,auto,uid=1000 0 0  
(uid=username ID). 

And yet, root:root owned all the files/dirs, that was to be expected, I 
think, and user could not mkdir or files, permission denied.  I had him 
change the fstab line to this:


/dev/hda4 /mnt/hda4 vfat defualts,rw,users,auto,suid=1000,umask=0 0 0  
(umask setting is a test, to test writing)


umount /dev/hda4 as root.  mount /dev/hda4 as user.  ls -l on hda4 
showed root:root owned all the files (drwxr-xr-x  14 root root )


Could not chown -R user:user /mnt/hda4/*  as root, "not allowed".  the 
user ran out of time (life gets in the way), but I found out a few hours 
latter he "fixed" the problem:  From a irc past:


(19:18:13) Dbarracuda: what was it?
(19:18:22) RABraker: the hell if i know  <<(19:18:58) RABraker: i mounted it in /media/hda4 and made arnold the 
owner of both
(19:19:25) RABraker: but it seemed to start working after changing the 
fstab and rebooting


so, here is the question:  What did I advise wrongly and why would not a 
umount, mount /dev/hda4 work?  We only wanted user to be the only one to 
access it.  Keep in mind, I really don't know what was finally changed 
during the above irc session, at this point in time, I only surmise that 
the changes I recommended were used.  I rarely play with vfat anymore, 
and obviously I am rusty.


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Re: Debian support for Marvell Yukon Gigabit Ethernet NIC?

[George Borisov]

Yu,Glen [Ontario] wrote:
> 
> I recompiled the kernel and…still
> nothing -- ifconfig only shows the loopback and no eth0.

Hello,

Silly question, but did you compile it in as a module? If so, did
you load said module?


Best regards,

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