Re: dbus and the bus address

[Kelly Clowers]

On 11/4/06, Jim McCloskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Following a recent upgrade (sorry, I can't be more precise), I'm
getting the dbus error:

 Unable to determine the address of the message bus

from a number of applications at start-up, including at least:

  f-spot (which fails to start as a consequence)
  rhythmbox
  epiphany-browser

I'm not sure whether to regard this as a problem with dbus, or as a
problem with the individual packages, but I suppose the fact that it
affects at least three programs that interact with dbus suggests some
more general problem. There are bug-reports of this type against a
number of the packages, but at least one of those bug-reports was
closed when it was discovered that the reporter did not have:

   use-session-dbus

in the file /etc/X11/Xsession.options

But I do have that option set (the file
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  381 2006-06-28 10:39 75dbus_dbus-launch is in 
/etc/X11/Xsession.d/)

dbus-launch reports:

DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS='unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-ZX6wCeW4AK,guid=4c424d457a1e5bf2fc4e9ca0e2381f00';
DBUS_SESSION_BUS_PID=6718;

and if I then set the environment-variable DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS by
hand (using the value supplied by dbus-launch), all three applications
start without error.  But it presumably shouldn't be necessary to set
the environment variable by hand?

I'd be grateful for any help, and I'd be glad to do what I can to help
resolve the issue,

Jim

Versions: dbus: 0.94-1
  f-spot: 0.2.1-1.1
  epiphany: 2.14.3-3
  rhythmmbox: 0.9.6-1



I have something like this in my ~/.bash_profile
(because I start X manually, and I want dbus on before X starts ):

if test -z "$DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS" ; then
  ## if not found, launch a new one
  eval $(dbus-launch --sh-syntax)
  export DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS
  export DBUS_SESSION_BUS_PID
fi

My /etc/X11/Xsession.d/75dbus_dbus-launch does not have those
"export" lines, maybe they are needed.

I messed with this problem for quite a while before getting it right,
and now I am not even sure I remeber what it was that I changed :-(

Anyway, I hope this helps at least a little.


Cheers,
Kelly


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Re: setingup outgoing mail (smtp) on home ystem (adsl)

[Zoran Kolic]

> I would like to send system-mail (mail that otherwise is sent to [EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]) to my real mailadresse, which I read all the time. My outgoing 
> smtp-server that I use is mail.lyse.no.
> I'm not going to recieve mail on this, only send mail out.
> Anybody have an url to some easy documentation?

No details?
At least, mta.
Since you are on the same box, send
it to user. First read all syslog
docs. This way you could send traps
whereever you want, even /dev/null.

  Zoran



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Re: quick scripting question - finding occurrence in many lines

[John O'Hagan]

On Sunday 05 November 2006 16:42, John O'Hagan wrote:
> On Sunday 05 November 2006 09:03, Ken Irving wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 09:56:12PM -0500, Douglas Tutty wrote:
> > > On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 08:27:42PM +, michael wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > > > eg for
> > > >
> > > > junk info 18 Pro
> > > > cessor
> > > >
> > > > I wish to get the field '18'
>
[...]

>
> Here's a version of Douglas' python script that I got to run:
>
> 
>
> #!/usr/bin/python
>
> IN = open('IN')
> instring = IN.read()
>
> onelinestring = instring.replace('\n', ' ')
>
> inlist = onelinestring.split()
>
> oldword = ' '
>
> for newword in inlist:
>
>   if newword == 'Processor':
>   print oldword
>   oldword = newword
> -
>

Or, now that I've seen Ken's contribution:

---

#!/usr/bin/python 

for newword in open('IN').read().replace('\n', '').split():
 
if newword == 'Processor':
print oldword   
oldword = newword



Or in bash:



#!/bin/bash

for newword in $(sed s/\\n//g < IN); do

[[ $newword == "Processor" ]] && echo $oldword
oldword=$newword

done

-

Either way, I like Douglas' approach of removing the newlines - or perhaps 
these loops are inefficient?

Regards,

John


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Re: quick scripting question - finding occurrence in many lines

[John O'Hagan]

On Sunday 05 November 2006 09:03, Ken Irving wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 09:56:12PM -0500, Douglas Tutty wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 08:27:42PM +, michael wrote:

[...]

> > > eg for
> > >
> > > junk info 18 Pro
> > > cessor
> > >
> > > I wish to get the field '18'

[...]

> >
> > Since it appears that newlines aren't significant, I would get rid of
> > them.
> >
> > IN = open('IN')
> > instring = IN.read()
> > IN.close()
> >
> > I would remove all newlines so it was one huge line.
> >
> > onelinestring = instring.replace('\n', ' ')
> > del instring
> >
> > Split the string into a list of words
> >
> > inlist = onelinestring.split()
> > del onelinestring
> >
> > Iterate through the list looking for 'processor'
> >
> > oldword = ' '
> > for newword in inlist
> > if word.lower == 'processor'
> > print oldword   # the previous word
> > oldword = newword
> >
> > del inlist
> >

[...]

>
> Is this pseudo-code or does it actually run?  I had to add some crypic
> noise, I mean ':' characters, in a couple of places, change "word" to
> "newword", and it still didn't seem to work.  The interesting part of
> the otherwise mundane problem was that the pattern to match is perhaps
> on two different lines.  I don't see how this is addressed in the
> proffered solution.

[...]

Here's a version of Douglas' python script that I got to run:



#!/usr/bin/python 

IN = open('IN')
instring = IN.read()

onelinestring = instring.replace('\n', ' ')
 
inlist = onelinestring.split()

oldword = ' '

for newword in inlist:
 
if newword == 'Processor':
print oldword   
oldword = newword
-

There were a couple of syntax errors in the original, but I think it does 
solve the two-line problem by removing the newlines.

Regards,

John


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Re: quick scripting question - finding occurrence in many lines

[Ken Irving]

On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 01:03:14PM -0900, Ken Irving wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 09:56:12PM -0500, Douglas Tutty wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 08:27:42PM +, michael wrote:
> > > I've been trying to do this with 'awk' but am hitting probs (not used
> > > awk for ages!) so all offers welcome! 
> > > 
> > > Given a multiple line file, IN, that contains the word Processor
> > > (possibly split over 2 lines) I wish to output the field immediately
> > > preceeding Processor.
> > > 
> > > eg for
> > > 
> > > junk info 18 Pro
> > > cessor
> > > 
> > > I wish to get the field '18'
> >  
> > I've read the replies telling you about awk and it reminds me why I
> > never use awk or regular expressions.  My mind doesn't do cryptic.  I
> > either do fortran77 or python.  For this I would use python so you can
> > lay it out step by step logically.  
> > 
> > Since it appears that newlines aren't significant, I would get rid of
> > them. 
> > 
> > IN = open('IN')
> > instring = IN.read()
> > IN.close()
> > 
> > I would remove all newlines so it was one huge line. 
> > 
> > onelinestring = instring.replace('\n', ' ')
> > del instring
> > 
> > Split the string into a list of words
> > 
> > inlist = onelinestring.split()
> > del onelinestring
> > 
> > Iterate through the list looking for 'processor'
> > 
> > oldword = ' '
> > for newword in inlist
> > if word.lower == 'processor'
> > print oldword   # the previous word
> > oldword = newword
> > 
> > del inlist
> > 
> > So I did it in 8 lines instead of one, but in 10 years I'll still know
> > what those 8 lines do.  All the del lines do is free memory as soon as
> > possible as there is no need to keep multiple versions of the file
> > around.  Internally, I don't know how awk and regular expressions handle
> > this.  
> 
> Is this pseudo-code or does it actually run?  I had to add some crypic
> noise, I mean ':' characters, in a couple of places, change "word" to 
> "newword", and it still didn't seem to work.  The interesting part of
> the otherwise mundane problem was that the pattern to match is perhaps
> on two different lines.  I don't see how this is addressed in the 
> proffered solution.

Ok, a bit of python hacking later...  The same technique shown previously
(in awk) can be used:

#!/usr/bin/python
olderword = ' '
oldword = ' '  
for newword in open('IN').read().split():
if newword.lower() == 'processor':
print oldword   # the previous word
else: # try combining new and old word...
if oldword.lower() + newword.lower() == 'processor':
print olderword   # the previouser word...
olderword = oldword
oldword = newword

There doesn't seem to be any need for storing/deleting variables for
handling the input, nor for replacing newlines with spaces. 

Ken
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Re: cannot ping my own machine

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 10:06:32PM -0600, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> schmity wrote:
> >Ok, newbie here so go easy on me.
> >
> >In general, what type of files would I expect to find in the /etc
> >directory?  How would I have known to look in the /etc directory for
> >the hosts file?
> >
> >
> >  
> 
> Don't feel bad for not knowing where to look; someone should have 
> pointed you to this web page:
> 
> http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals
> 

doh!


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Re: cannot ping my own machine

[Russell L. Harris]

schmity wrote:

Ok, newbie here so go easy on me.

In general, what type of files would I expect to find in the /etc
directory?  How would I have known to look in the /etc directory for
the hosts file?


  


Don't feel bad for not knowing where to look; someone should have 
pointed you to this web page:


http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals


RLH


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Re: Non english filesnames and unicode, more

[hendrik]

On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 11:11:25PM +0200, David Baron wrote:
> Konsole, set to UTF8, behaves just like using 1255, saves the file indeed 
> with 
> a UTF8 name encoding. Attempting to ls the file fails--worked in 1255
> 
> Going to Konqueror, the file name shows in english characters and symbols 
> showing its UTF8 bytes. Setting konqueror to UTF8 does not display the file 
> name correctly, just as using 1255 did not. Dialog boxes involving the file 
> name, i.e. to delete it, also show raw bytes.
> 
> Should I file these bugs with KDE?
> 

Are these bugs in the various terminal emulators, or in ls?  What 
happens if you redirect ls output to a file and look at it in hex?  (I 
wish ls would *not* look whether its output is a reminal and choose 
output format for this test, but it still might give us a clue.)

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Re: [OT] M$ collaborates with Suse

[Ron Johnson]

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On 11/04/06 19:07, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 11:28:54AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> My eyes see lots of ProLiants running Win Server 2K3, and only some
>> running Linux, HP-UX and a few running z/OS & OpenVMS.
>
> Really?  My eyes see about 12 racks of proliants and Suns, all running
> Linux (except for one SunFire running Solaris 8, I think and one Tru64
> box).  In fact, out of about a total of 200 workstations and servers,
> there are only about half a dozen WinXP workstations.

Lucky you.  Win Server is taking over, if for no other reason than
it's so fragile that you need to dedicate one or more servers per task.

>> The fact that MSFT's *income* in *always* increasing is prima facia
>> evidence that MSFT is winning, and has been really winning for 6
>> years (since Server 2K was released).
>>
> No, The fact that MSFT's income is increasing is evidence that 1) they
> keep raising prices

They can because of the lock-in.

But because of their lock on the desktop, they also have incredible
userland and developer mindshare.


> and 2) they have been successful in developing a
> nearly unbreakable customer lock in.

Nobody said Gates & Balmer were stupid...  :(

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dbus and the bus address

[Jim McCloskey]

Following a recent upgrade (sorry, I can't be more precise), I'm
getting the dbus error:

 Unable to determine the address of the message bus

from a number of applications at start-up, including at least:

  f-spot (which fails to start as a consequence)
  rhythmbox
  epiphany-browser

I'm not sure whether to regard this as a problem with dbus, or as a
problem with the individual packages, but I suppose the fact that it
affects at least three programs that interact with dbus suggests some
more general problem. There are bug-reports of this type against a
number of the packages, but at least one of those bug-reports was
closed when it was discovered that the reporter did not have:

   use-session-dbus

in the file /etc/X11/Xsession.options

But I do have that option set (the file 
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  381 2006-06-28 10:39 75dbus_dbus-launch is in 
/etc/X11/Xsession.d/)

dbus-launch reports:

DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS='unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-ZX6wCeW4AK,guid=4c424d457a1e5bf2fc4e9ca0e2381f00';
DBUS_SESSION_BUS_PID=6718;

and if I then set the environment-variable DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS by
hand (using the value supplied by dbus-launch), all three applications
start without error.  But it presumably shouldn't be necessary to set
the environment variable by hand?

I'd be grateful for any help, and I'd be glad to do what I can to help
resolve the issue,

Jim

Versions: dbus: 0.94-1
  f-spot: 0.2.1-1.1
  epiphany: 2.14.3-3
  rhythmmbox: 0.9.6-1
 

webcam & usb-hub

[gustavo halperin]

Hello

I have the Creative WebCam using the spca5xx driver from 
http://mxhaard.free.fr/index.html. Work nice the problem start if I 
connect the WebCam to the USB-Hub instead to connect the WebCam directly 
to the computer.
 If I connect the WebCam to the 4-ports-Hub I get the next messages 
(using dmesg):

   usb 1-2.3: new full speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 33
   usb 1-2.3: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
   /mnt/data1/root/tmp.d/spca5xx-20060501/drivers/usb/spca5xx.c: USB 
SPCA5XX camera found. Type Creative Webcam Notebook Zc301+Tas5130c
   /mnt/data1/root/tmp.d/spca5xx-20060501/drivers/usb/spca5xx.c: 
[spca5xx_probe:5480] Camera type JPEG
   /mnt/data1/root/tmp.d/spca5xx-20060501/drivers/usb/zc3xx.h: 
[zc3xx_config:487] Find Sensor UNKNOW_0 force Tas5130
   /mnt/data1/root/tmp.d/spca5xx-20060501/drivers/usb/spca5xx.c: 
[spca5xx_getcapability:1765] maxw 640 maxh 480 minw 176 minh 144


In the other way if I connect the WebCam directly to the computer the 
first two lines are the only difference, see next:

   usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 15
   usb 2-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice

Using the 4-port-Hub the mplayer fail open the video device, geting the 
next message:

   unable to open '/dev/video0': Function not implemented

So, that is a problem in a spca5xx driver or in the kernel or where ???


Thank you very much,
  Gustavo

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Re: cannot ping my own machine

[Paul E Condon]

On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 05:03:30PM -0800, schmity wrote:
>   lists only the /etc/hosts file.
>  lists /etc/hostname and /etc/motd.
> 
> I changed the /etc/hosts file so that the localhost is now Linuxbox,
> ran  and now I am able to ping Linuxbox.
> 
> Kent, you said there might be more files.  Did I miss them?

You might like to know that Debian has some very well thought out
rules about what goes where on a proper Debian box.  These rules are
set forth and explained in Filesystem Hierarchy Standard,
http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ .  You're not expected to know all these
rules, but if you ever wonder why something is where it is, this is
the place to look for an reasoned explanation.

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how can a kernel module unload itself?

[Kostas Robotis]

How can a kernel module unload itself?  When things go wrong, you
know...

I tried to call release module but it didn't work. Isn't there any exit
function?


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Re: [OT] M$ collaborates with Suse

[John Hasler]

Ron Johnson wrote:
> The fact that MSFT's *income* in *always* increasing is prima facia
> evidence that MSFT is winning...

Winning what?
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Re: xorg , xfree86?

[Kevin Mark]

On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 05:00:28PM -0700, Paul E Condon wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 04:38:36PM -0700, ChadDavis wrote:
> > Hey there.  What X system does my recent (installed yesterday ) debian etch
> > system use? Isn't there adifference between xfree86 and xorg?  The docs I
> > found on the debian site are for xfree86 but my system seems to have X11 /
> > xorg stuff on it?  Sort me out if I'm clueless.
> 
> Sarge uses xfree86. Etch uses xorg. As I understand it, there was a change
> in the license of xfree86 after release of Sarge. That change was not
> acceptable according to DFSG. So, people who take such things seriously,
> and have the talent to do something about it, have forked x-windows. 
> (I care, but don't have the talent.)
> 
One of the major differences between XFree86 and Xorg is the use of 
modularized source. This allows each part of the server to worked on
individually and by default easier and faster. There are now individual
files for the various video cards and input devices.
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Re: cannot ping my own machine

[schmity]

  lists only the /etc/hosts file.
 lists /etc/hostname and /etc/motd.

I changed the /etc/hosts file so that the localhost is now Linuxbox,
ran  and now I am able to ping Linuxbox.

Kent, you said there might be more files.  Did I miss them?


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Re: cannot ping my own machine

[Keith Nasman]

Welcome!

The /etc directory is the place for configuration files. The File 
Heirarchy Standard will help you get oriented to how files are organized.


http://www.pathname.com/fhs/

Keith

schmity wrote:

Ok, newbie here so go easy on me.

In general, what type of files would I expect to find in the /etc
directory?  How would I have known to look in the /etc directory for
the hosts file?





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Re: cannot ping my own machine

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 04:47:13PM -0800, schmity wrote:
> Ok, newbie here so go easy on me.
> 
> In general, what type of files would I expect to find in the /etc
> directory?  How would I have known to look in the /etc directory for
> the hosts file?

/etc GENERALLY contains system-wide configuration files. 

/bin contains system binaries
/sbin contains super-user binaries
/usr contains user installed packages
/etc system wide configs
/var highly variable files that persist over reboot
/tmp highly variable files that do not persist over reboot
/home home


that's how I think about it, though there IS a specific hierarchy to
the file system that most distros generally adhere to. 

where you'd find that I don't know, but there are several online
tutorials for linux newbs that you might check out.

A


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Re: [OT] M$ collaborates with Suse

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 11:28:54AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> 
> My eyes see lots of ProLiants running Win Server 2K3, and only some
> running Linux, HP-UX and a few running z/OS & OpenVMS.
> 
Really?  My eyes see about 12 racks of proliants and Suns, all running
Linux (except for one SunFire running Solaris 8, I think and one Tru64
box).  In fact, out of about a total of 200 workstations and servers,
there are only about half a dozen WinXP workstations.

> The fact that MSFT's *income* in *always* increasing is prima facia
> evidence that MSFT is winning, and has been really winning for 6
> years (since Server 2K was released).
> 
No, The fact that MSFT's income is increasing is evidence that 1) they
keep raising prices and 2) they have been successful in developing a
nearly unbreakable customer lock in.

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: cannot ping my own machine

[schmity]

Ok, newbie here so go easy on me.

In general, what type of files would I expect to find in the /etc
directory?  How would I have known to look in the /etc directory for
the hosts file?


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xscreensaver

[Mark Grieveson]

I'm finding that when I play defendguin in fullscreen mode, it will 
freeze, and then go into a window.  I think that xscreensaver is 
assuming things are idle, and is trying to start up (subsequently giving 
up when defendguin goes into window mode).  Similar small freeze ups 
happen when I play lxdoom (though this is played in Window mode; so, the 
change is not as apparent.)  It'll freeze up momentarily, and then 
continue. 

I'm using xfce4.  Is there a work around for this?  Or, if I'm wrong, 
another explanation for these freeze-ups when playing these games?


Mark


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Re: xorg , xfree86?

[Russell L. Harris]

ChadDavis wrote:
Hey there.  What X system does my recent (installed yesterday ) debian 
etch system use? Isn't there adifference between xfree86 and xorg?  
The docs I found on the debian site are for xfree86 but my system 
seems to have X11 / xorg stuff on it?  Sort me out if I'm clueless. 



Etch uses xorg, but you may encounter artifacts of xfree86, this being 
the tail-end of a transition period. 

The primary difference which I have noticed is a significant 
simplification of the keyboard layout scheme; xorg is cleaner and easier 
to modify than is xfree86. 

But beware!  Until a month or so ago, you could mess up your system on a 
royal scale by making changes to xfree86 even though xorg is in use.  
But with each release, the xfree86 code is being removed. 

If you are a Dvorak user, xorg now provides the "classic" Dvorak layout, 
as well as the "modified" Dvorak layout.  The classic layout is the 
original scheme, which was devised by Dvorak about 1936; the modified 
layout is a severely-compromised scheme which was standardized by ANSI 
about 1981.  (It is appears that the members of the ANSI committee were 
not touch typists, or else were coerced; hence, their failure to 
standardize the original Dvorak layout.) The classic Dvorak layout has 
been available in Debian for a year or two for the virtual console. 


RLH


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Re: xorg , xfree86?

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 04:38:36PM -0700, ChadDavis wrote:
> Hey there.  What X system does my recent (installed yesterday ) debian 
> etch
> system use? 

xorg

>Isn't there adifference between xfree86 and xorg?

yes. i think xorg is a fork of xf86. try google.

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Re: how to delete a route?

[Dmytro Ovchynnykov]

You always have only one default gateway in main route table, but it's
possible to use several routing tables with different gateways. Iproute2
gives you this opportunity.

To delete a route use

# ip route del 10.0.0.0 dev ath0

to delete gateway use

# ip route del default via 10.0.0.1 dev ath0

to add route use

# ip route add 192.168.0.0/24 dev eth1

to list your routes use (for main route table)

#ip route ls 

You can put this into /etc/network/interfaces with

post-up ip route add 192.168.0.0/24 dev eth1

or

post-down ip route add 192.168.0.0/24 dev eth1


But it's good idea to read http://lartc.org/

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Re: Re: Odd dhcpcd behaviour

[Tonny Plagge]

I had the same problem. I have added eth0 to the line auto
in /etc/network/interfaces and it worked for me:

auto lo eth0


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Re: xorg , xfree86?

[Paul E Condon]

On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 04:38:36PM -0700, ChadDavis wrote:
> Hey there.  What X system does my recent (installed yesterday ) debian etch
> system use? Isn't there adifference between xfree86 and xorg?  The docs I
> found on the debian site are for xfree86 but my system seems to have X11 /
> xorg stuff on it?  Sort me out if I'm clueless.

Sarge uses xfree86. Etch uses xorg. As I understand it, there was a change
in the license of xfree86 after release of Sarge. That change was not
acceptable according to DFSG. So, people who take such things seriously,
and have the talent to do something about it, have forked x-windows. 
(I care, but don't have the talent.)

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xorg , xfree86?

[ChadDavis]

Hey there.  What X system does my recent (installed yesterday ) debian etch system use? Isn't there adifference between xfree86 and xorg?  The docs I found on the debian site are for xfree86 but my system seems to have X11 / xorg stuff on it?  Sort me out if I'm clueless.  
Respect.

Re: archives are not threaded across months

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 05:56:03PM -0500, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
> Hi all
> I was browsing the d-u archives recently and found a weird behavior. Say 
> I 
> go to http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/10/msg03693.html
> In the bottom of this page where it says "Next by thread", the link points to 
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/10/msg03708.html . Once I go to this 
> second link, at the bottom of the page there is no "Next by thread" link. 
> However, the actual thread does not end there. The next message in this 
> thread is http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/11/msg00050.html . Why are 
> the archives not threaded across months? Is this a bug which should be 
> reported?

It looks like you are right that its not threading across
months. Whether this is a bug or feature, who knows. Personally, I'd
like to see it thread across months, but don't know what work that
involves. If YOU think it should thread across months then I'd file a
bug report or ask on the appropriate list (debian-www?). 

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[Kamaraju Kusumanchi]

Hi all
I was browsing the d-u archives recently and found a weird behavior. Say I 
go to http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/10/msg03693.html
In the bottom of this page where it says "Next by thread", the link points to 
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/10/msg03708.html . Once I go to this 
second link, at the bottom of the page there is no "Next by thread" link. 
However, the actual thread does not end there. The next message in this 
thread is http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/11/msg00050.html . Why are 
the archives not threaded across months? Is this a bug which should be 
reported?

May be I am missing something very trivial here. Any help is appreciated.

thanks
raju

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Re: mutt, gnome terminal, xemacs, gnuserv, debian etch

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 03:33:31PM -0600, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> >On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 02:47:21PM -0600, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> >  
> >>At this point, I am receiving mail, but no mail is being sent. 
> >>
> >>The package chain is as follows:
> >>
> >>INCOMING MAIL:  pop3 server @ my ISP -->  getmail4  -->  maildrop  --> 
> >>[maildir]  --> mutt
> >>
> >>OUTGOING MAIL:  smtp server @ my ISP  <--  exim4  <--  mutt
> >>
> >Did you configure exim for a smarthost? did you specify the smarthost
> >in /etc/exim4/passwd.client?
> >  
> 
> I have an ADSL connection with DHCP, so my ISP does not require 
> authentication for outgoing mail.

okay, but you still need to tell exim which server to use, which I
think you would do from that same file. Here's the deal, mail is
darned confusing, if you ask me and it only seems to work after some
sort of magic incantations that I"m gradually learning. I have found
that its MUCH easier to configure exim (and debug that config) if you
use a single file configuration, which is one of the options in the
reconfigure. i think you have to copy the basic config file from
/usr/share/exim-something-or-other into your /etc/exim4/exim.conf and
then restart to use that file. I found it much easier to basically
read that WHOLE file as the comments are decent and by the end I had
some understanding...

> 
> I think the problem may be that I do not understand the Debian 
> configuration dialogue for exim4.  The dialogue asks whether to hide the 
> local name in outgoing mail; I replied "no", inasmuch as it doesn't 
> matter to me if someone knows that I am writing mail from "hamlet" or 
> from "othello", which are, respectively, the desktop and laptop machines 
> here in my LAN named "homedomain".  But perhaps I misconstrue the 
> question. 

if you don't hide the local name then your outgoing mail will look
like its 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

which is not a usable address outside your LAN. you should choose to
hide the local name and it will prompt you to provide the address to
rewrite the From: line with.

> 
> Should I tell exim to make it appear as if all mail emanates from 
> "localprovider.net", which currently is my ISP?  

probably

> ("mail.localprovider.net" is the smarthost.) 
> 
> If so, then what happens when I tell mutt to place 
> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" in the From: line of outgoing messages sent 
> in the course of business?

depends. if you are otherwise using a bonestock exim config, then that
mail MAY look like its from [EMAIL PROTECTED] However, there
are ways to allow exim to accept the From: headers untouched as they
come from mutt.

I did this on my LOCAL machines, I don't think its needed on the
server of my LAN since its just relaying for the other machines:

local_sender_retain = true
local_from_check = false
trusted_users = andrew

that allows the users specified as "trusted" to retain the local
sender information. Then you have to set up your from lines properly
in mutt. There is an option to allow untrusted users to retain local
sender, but I could never get it to work, hence I made myself
trusted... :^O

I do this successfully using mutt and folder hooks to set the sender
properly depending on which account I am mailing from. For example, I
mail to debian-user as [EMAIL PROTECTED] but I mail to
gnucash lists as [EMAIL PROTECTED] (stupid qmail on my other
provider gets me blacklisted at gnucash, but that's another story). So
when I switch to the debian-user folder, the folder hook changes my
from: header. When I switch over to gnucash-devel or -user then it
changes the from: header again. 

again, hth

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Re: Display is jerky...........

[M-L]

On Saturday 04 November 2006 21:52, Florian Kulzer shared this with us all:
>--> On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 14:02:12 +1100, M-L wrote:
>--> > On Friday 03 November 2006 13:42, John - shared this with us all:
>--> > > On (03/11/06 12:49), M-L wrote:
>--> > > > My screen jumps about and in my /var/log/Xorg.0.log I have this
> line:- --> > > >
>--> > > > (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable
>--> > > >
>--> > > > I am wondering if someone might tell me what this means?
>--> > > > ...
>--> > > > Any suggestions welcome.
>--> > >
>--> > > I had the same problem; one one machine, it was paralyzing. I don't
>--> > > know what it means; hopefully someone who understands better will
>--> > > enlighten both of us. But I did manage to get it to go away by
> adding --> > > the following two stanzas to /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
>--> > >
>--> > > Section "ServerFlags"
>--> > > Option  "AIGLX" "off"
>--> > > EndSection
>--> > > Section "Extensions"
>--> > > Option "Composite" "Disable"
>--> > > EndSection
>--> > >
>--> > > All the usual warnings apply.
>--> >
>--> > Thanks John, but it didn't change anything for me. Worth a try and
> thanks --> > again.
>-->
>--> It is very difficult for us to help you as long as we do not know which
>--> video card and driver you are using. Please post the output of the
>--> following commands:
>-->
>--> lspci | egrep -i 'video|vga|display'
>-->
>--> awk '/Section
> "(Module|Device|DRI|Extensions|ServerFlags)"/,/EndSection/'
> /etc/X11/xorg.conf -->
>--> egrep '^\((EE|WW)\)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log
>-->
>--> --
>--> Regards,
>-->   Florian

Thanks Florian, am on another machine at the moment, but tried those commands 
which you supplied to another on the list.

I never had any problems with  previously, but tried  which is what 
it is.

Killed X started X again, and nothing had changed. My xorg.conf was still the 
same but returned to  after the reboot. I will have to google the 
method that has been posted on this list to have xorg.conf stick after 
modifications were made it.

I actually think that my graphics card might be slowly getting crook.

Thanks again,
Charlie

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Re: quick scripting question - finding occurrence in many lines

[Ken Irving]

On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 09:56:12PM -0500, Douglas Tutty wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 08:27:42PM +, michael wrote:
> > I've been trying to do this with 'awk' but am hitting probs (not used
> > awk for ages!) so all offers welcome! 
> > 
> > Given a multiple line file, IN, that contains the word Processor
> > (possibly split over 2 lines) I wish to output the field immediately
> > preceeding Processor.
> > 
> > eg for
> > 
> > junk info 18 Pro
> > cessor
> > 
> > I wish to get the field '18'
>  
> I've read the replies telling you about awk and it reminds me why I
> never use awk or regular expressions.  My mind doesn't do cryptic.  I
> either do fortran77 or python.  For this I would use python so you can
> lay it out step by step logically.  
> 
> Since it appears that newlines aren't significant, I would get rid of
> them. 
> 
>   IN = open('IN')
>   instring = IN.read()
>   IN.close()
> 
> I would remove all newlines so it was one huge line. 
> 
>   onelinestring = instring.replace('\n', ' ')
>   del instring
> 
> Split the string into a list of words
> 
>   inlist = onelinestring.split()
>   del onelinestring
> 
> Iterate through the list looking for 'processor'
> 
>   oldword = ' '
>   for newword in inlist
>   if word.lower == 'processor'
>   print oldword   # the previous word
>   oldword = newword
> 
>   del inlist
> 
> So I did it in 8 lines instead of one, but in 10 years I'll still know
> what those 8 lines do.  All the del lines do is free memory as soon as
> possible as there is no need to keep multiple versions of the file
> around.  Internally, I don't know how awk and regular expressions handle
> this.  

Is this pseudo-code or does it actually run?  I had to add some crypic
noise, I mean ':' characters, in a couple of places, change "word" to 
"newword", and it still didn't seem to work.  The interesting part of
the otherwise mundane problem was that the pattern to match is perhaps
on two different lines.  I don't see how this is addressed in the 
proffered solution.

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Re: Video in mozilla/firefox

[Mark Grieveson]

This may be a very old FAQ, and if so, my apologies.

For several months now, I have been unable to watch video streams
from most sites (including e.g. cnn.com) using mozilla/firefox +
mozilla-mplayer. The stream seems to connect, plays for about 1/3
of a second, then stops, then starts all over again, does the same
thing.

  
Do you have mozplugger installed?  That might help.  Also, if your 
machine is low on resources, using mplayer-nogui, instead of mplayer, 
can help (it uses less resources, I think).


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Re: mutt, gnome terminal, xemacs, gnuserv, debian etch

[Russell L. Harris]

Andrew Sackville-West wrote:

On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 02:47:21PM -0600, Russell L. Harris wrote:
  
At this point, I am receiving mail, but no mail is being sent. 


The package chain is as follows:

INCOMING MAIL:  pop3 server @ my ISP -->  getmail4  -->  maildrop  -->  
[maildir]  --> mutt


OUTGOING MAIL:  smtp server @ my ISP  <--  exim4  <--  mutt


Did you configure exim for a smarthost? did you specify the smarthost
in /etc/exim4/passwd.client?
  


I have an ADSL connection with DHCP, so my ISP does not require 
authentication for outgoing mail.


I think the problem may be that I do not understand the Debian 
configuration dialogue for exim4.  The dialogue asks whether to hide the 
local name in outgoing mail; I replied "no", inasmuch as it doesn't 
matter to me if someone knows that I am writing mail from "hamlet" or 
from "othello", which are, respectively, the desktop and laptop machines 
here in my LAN named "homedomain".  But perhaps I misconstrue the 
question. 

Should I tell exim to make it appear as if all mail emanates from 
"localprovider.net", which currently is my ISP?  
("mail.localprovider.net" is the smarthost.) 

If so, then what happens when I tell mutt to place 
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" in the From: line of outgoing messages sent 
in the course of business?


RLH


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Re: Non english filesnames and unicode, more

[David Baron]

Konsole, set to UTF8, behaves just like using 1255, saves the file indeed with 
a UTF8 name encoding. Attempting to ls the file fails--worked in 1255

Going to Konqueror, the file name shows in english characters and symbols 
showing its UTF8 bytes. Setting konqueror to UTF8 does not display the file 
name correctly, just as using 1255 did not. Dialog boxes involving the file 
name, i.e. to delete it, also show raw bytes.

Should I file these bugs with KDE?


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Re: A Question About Aptitude

[Mark Grieveson]

That seems like a pretty dubious assertion.  Synaptic's interface is
"pretty", but seems quite clunky compared to aptitude's.  As far as I
know, it's also missing one of aptitude's most useful (even/especially
for beginners) features, automatic handling of packages dragged in by
dependencies.
It's for this very reason that I'd suggest synaptic, rather than 
aptitude, for beginners.  There are times when aptitude will have a 
strange chain reaction wherein it finds some packages that it deems no 
longer required by any other program, and ends up listing half your 
installed programs as useless junk to be thrown away.  Like a cleaning 
person gone mad.  Even after closing and reopening aptitude, in such a 
situation, it will still insanely want to throw away half your OS, 
falsely claiming everything to be broken (it no longer lists anything as 
broken after the user presses cancel pending action, however).


A newbie might not know that pressing using the option to cancel pending 
actions would be the best to take in such a circumstance.


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Re: Non english filesnames and unicode

[David Baron]

On Saturday 04 November 2006 21:45, Micha Feigin wrote:
> My system is configured to work in unicode at the moment and I'm working
> with urxvt. I have a directory with a few hebrew file names. using ls shows
> all question marks. Trying tab completion shows jiberish. using the
> jiberish doesn't work to access the files and using the ??? doesn't work
> either. How do I configure the system to show the file names? (when using a
> hebrew keyboard I see the hebrew characters on screen, so it seems that
> it's using 3 different encodings, one for ls, one for tab completion and
> one for input.

Cannot answer this question. However:
KDE's "Konsole" can be set to use various encodings. 1255 
(Windows-Hebrew/English) works (sort of--typing a Hebrew file name is strange 
at best, but) I can use a Hebrew file name.
This file name will not display in Konqueror, regardless of the encoding I set 
there (does not offer Unicode but does offer 1255).
Hebrew file names also will not display on the desktop.

I would assume the completion schemes do not really work with Unicode or 
anything else. Too many folks program for only good old US English.

urxvt -- there are several Unicode rxvt packages on Debian with varying 
capabilities. Which one are you using and do you recommend? Do they replace 
the normal xterm when one is not using KDE or such?


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Re: mutt, gnome terminal, xemacs, gnuserv, debian etch

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 02:47:21PM -0600, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Andrew. 
> 
> I have been puzzled about the "-nw"; and the "-l" is good to know.
> 
> I still am struggling with the transition from gnus to mutt.  Both 
> previously and now, I am using maildir instead of mbox.  And now I am 
> trying to use maildrop to replace the sorting which I was doing with 
> gnus.
> 
> At this point, I am receiving mail, but no mail is being sent. 
> 
> The package chain is as follows:
> 
> INCOMING MAIL:  pop3 server @ my ISP -->  getmail4  -->  maildrop  -->  
> [maildir]  --> mutt
> 
> OUTGOING MAIL:  smtp server @ my ISP  <--  exim4  <--  mutt

Did you configure exim for a smarthost? did you specify the smarthost
in /etc/exim4/passwd.client?

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Re: Exim4 and clamav not working

[Steve Kemp]

On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 01:16:45PM -0500, Jim Seymour wrote:

> The spamassassin part works fine and mail is coming through. The clamav 
> part is not. It will not identify the eicar test in mail. It will also 
> happily allow the clamav-testfiles to go through without seeing them. 
> Obviously clamav is not getting to scan any mail.

  Perhaps obvious, but after updating your exim4 configuration files
 did you run:

update-exim4.conf

+

/etc/init.d/exim4 reload|restart

  If not do that ..  If you did you might find some guidance here

http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/141

  (In the comments, if not the text, since you appear to have
 configured everything obvious..)

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Re: Unofficial Firefox packages?

[Marko Randjelovic]

Björn Lindström wrote:

Has anyone set up a repository with unofficial Firefox packages, for
until whatever is going on is done?

(I want to try out an add-on that requires it.)


  

Maybe this can help you: http://www.getswiftfox.com/debian.htm


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Re: Removing redundant kernels

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 06:40:09PM +, Clive Menzies wrote:
> On (03/11/06 10:06), Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > 
> > I did this on my server using aptitude and it didn't work. I '_' purged
> > two kernels that had been install with aptitude but it left the actual
> > kernels and initrds and configs in /boot. I had to rm them manually.
> > 
> > hunh. I better look into that more as I know that's not proper behavior.
> 
> That's not something I've ever experienced.  You didn't install these
> kernels manually using 'dpkg -i' by any chance?

nope, but I realise I probably installed some of them with apt-get
before I switched over to aptitude. Still though a purge should wipe
them out. frankly its no biggie.

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Re: Gnome "open file" window

[Marko Randjelovic]

Rodrigo Paes wrote:

Hi all,

Is there anyway to change de default size in gnome of the "open file" window ?

for instance, when you are in gedit and you go "Ctrl-o" it opens a 184x34 
dialog box, and if you press the ALT + Right button, you can stretch it.. I was wondering 
if I could change this default size

TIA

[]s
rodrigo


  

See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=325477


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Re: Exim4 and clamav not working

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 01:16:45PM -0500, Jim Seymour wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> If there is a better list for this question please let me know. I am 
> trying to get exim4, spamassassin and clamav happily working together 
> with a minimum amount of additional packages added on a Debian Etch 
> system with all updates current. Basically I have installed exim4-heavy, 
> sa-exim, spamassassin and the clamav packages. I am using the 
> /var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl socket and have that configured in both the 
> clam.conf and in the /etc/exim4/conf.d/main/02_exim4-config_options. 

does this mean you have a line like this?

av_scanner = clamd:/var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl

> Clamav has been added to the Exim-debian group the 
> AllowSupplementaryGroups option is in clam.conf. The scan directory 
> /var/spool/exim4/scan has the following permissions drwxrwx--- and has 
> owner.group of Debian-exim. This is in 
> /etc/exim4/conf.d/acl/40_exim4-config_check_data file:
> 
> deny  message = This message contains a virus: ($malware_name) please 
> scan your system.
>  demime = *
>  malware = *

I don't know much about this, so salt accordingly: isn't deny and
demime contradictory? How can you demime a message that you have
denied? just a thought, maybe its causing the rule to be ignored.

FTR, this is what I did for testing and have never bothered to change:

warn malware = *
 message = WARNING! Virus! ($malware_name)

this allowed me to see what was happening by reading the headers of
the mails. Now i enjoy seeing the earnest emails warning me about my
compromised mailserver with a big fat "WARNING!" in them because its
their machine that is compromised... :)


hth

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Re: Delete Win 2K partition on Debian dual boot to re-use space.

[Russell L. Harris]

del wrote:

I would now like to remove the 2K partition to regain the space for use
for MP3s.  Would I be able to have a second "home" so it will not be
wiped if I need to re-install at some time, say when I break my machine
upgrading to Etch later this year :)

1) How to remove?
2) What to name it to survive a re-install?
3) Is it possible to have a second home?
4) How could I have found the answer myself in the Debian archives to
   save asking here?
5) And Is there a tutorial on looking this kind of thing up in say 
   Google Groups?
  
I am not aware of a Linux tool comparable to "Partition Magic" which 
allows a partition to be "moved".  (But even with PM, the partition is 
not moved in actuality.)


Use fdisk or cfdisk to delete the partition, then create a new Linux 
partition from the resulting free space.  Then create a filesystem (ext2 
or ext3) in the new partition.  Then edit "/etc/fstab" to mount and name 
the partition.  Then reboot.


You can't have two partitions named "home", but you can name a partition 
whatever you wish, such as  "home.backup".


When installing Debian, the partitioner allows you to decide whether to 
preserve a partition and whether to preserve the data on the partition.  
But for your purpose, it likely is a better solution to plug in a second 
drive and place the backup for "home" on the second drive; that way, you 
are not constrained in your partitioning scheme when you re-install. 


RLH


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Re: Delete Win 2K partition on Debian dual boot to re-use space.

[Kent West]

del wrote:
> I have a dual boot Debian Sarge/Win 2K box.
>   
> I would now like to remove the 2K partition to regain the space for use
> for MP3s.  Would I be able to have a second "home" so it will not be
> wiped if I need to re-install at some time, say when I break my machine
> upgrading to Etch later this year :)
>   
> 1) How to remove?
>   
# cfdisk /dev/hda (or /dev/sda, or whatever fits your situation)
highlight the 2K partition, and delete it.
Highlight the now-unused partition, and create a new linux partition
[W]rite the changes, and exit cfdisk.
Reboot if so-prompted (otherwise, don't bother.
# mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda1 (or whatever file system and partition fits your
desire/situation)
edit /etc/fstab to mount the newly created partition/file system on
whatever mount point you want, say
"/home/del/OldW2KSpaceRecoveredFromTheDarkSide" (make sure to make this
directory first.
# mount -a
> 2) What to name it to survive a re-install?
>   
Whatever you want; just make sure that during any re-install, you don't
wipe out this partition / file system.  (Why are you re-installing
anyway? This is Debian, not Windows.)

> 3) Is it possible to have a second home?
>   
No. (Well, 'er ..., just say "No".) You could however have a "/home2",
or an "/opt", or an "/overflow", or a "/home/home", etc etc etc.


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Re: how to delete a route?

[Russell L. Harris]

Raphael Brunner wrote:

want to setup a second interface (NIC) in /etc/network/interfaces but
without a route to it. If the interface is up, route shows a route to
it. how can i delete this route (all packets should use the default
gateway)? 
Debian Reference - Chapter 10 - "Network configuration" has discussion 
and interesting and novel examples which may serve your needs.  It is an 
unusually well-written chapter.


RLH


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Re: Delete Win 2K partition on Debian dual boot to re-use space.

[Kevin Mark]

On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 06:24:51PM +, del wrote:
> Hello to all,

> So to the questions, 
> 
> 1) How to remove?

you need to make it a linux file system partition (cfdisk or similar)
then you create a file system on it  (mkfs)
this will make it a seperate partition and will not join it to any
adjcent partition space. This may be possible to resize an adjcent space
to add the new space, but its complex and risky.

> 2) What to name it to survive a re-install?

what ever install you use, just be careful with the 'partitioning step'.
Don't use the automatic one and make sure that you dont delete the partition
that you want to save.

> 3) Is it possible to have a second home?

no. each user has one home. But you can add mount points inside your
home. Or you can make a seperate "data files" mount point for all users
to store file.

> 4) How could I have found the answer myself in the Debian archives to
>save asking here?

Its not a debian-specific question. It requires an understading of
partitioning schemes. This is a general computer issue with some
particular unix/Debian details.

> 5) And Is there a tutorial on looking this kind of thing up in say 
>Google Groups?

not sure. maybe google for 'debian partitioning scheme"

cheers,
Kev
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how to delete a route?

[Raphael Brunner]

Hi Users...

want to setup a second interface (NIC) in /etc/network/interfaces but
without a route to it. If the interface is up, route shows a route to
it. how can i delete this route (all packets should use the default
gateway)? The interface is only for watching with ethercap for security
purposes... not for trafic. The better way is a "hear-only" interface,
but for the first time, its enough a IP without a route on my debian
testing-box.
 
Thanks for all your help.
Raphael
 
 
Neptun:/home/raphael# route
Kernel IP Routentabelle
ZielRouter  Genmask Flags Metric RefUse
Iface
192.168.1.24*   255.255.255.200 U 0  00 eth0
10.0.0.0*   255.255.255.0   U 0  00 ath0
default 10.0.0.10.0.0.0 UG0  00 ath0
 


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Re: exim4 and mail queue

[Raphael Brunner]

Hi Users...

I want to setup a second interface (NIC) in /etc/network/interfaces but
without a route to it. If the interface is up, route shows a route to
it. how can i delete this route (all packets should use the default
gateway)? The interface is only for watching with ethercap for security
purposes... not for trafic. The better way is a "hear-only" interface,
but for the first time, its enough a IP without a route on my debian
testing-box.

Thanks for all your help.
Raphael


Neptun:/home/raphael# route
Kernel IP Routentabelle
ZielRouter  Genmask Flags Metric RefUse
Iface
192.168.1.24*   255.255.255.200 U 0  00 eth0
10.0.0.0*   255.255.255.0   U 0  00 ath0
default 10.0.0.10.0.0.0 UG0  00 ath0


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Re: A Question About Aptitude

[Russell L. Harris]

Florian Kulzer wrote:

On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 05:51:05 -0600, Russell L. Harris wrote:
  
I am running a fresh install (two weeks ago) of Etch, and I have been 
using synaptic to install and update packages.


As a result of discussions on this thread, I just ran aptitude.

Aptitude tells me that there is a broken package, and suggested that, 
because of dependency problems, I remove exim4, exim4-base, 
exim4-daemon-light, ftp, netbase, nfs-common, ntp, ntp-simple, ntp-date, 
openbsd-inetd, pidentd, telnet and I install nbstmp.


What is going on here?  It appears to me that it is aptitude which needs 
to be uninstalled.  I suspect that the operation proposed by aptitude 
would render my installation unusable and likely irreparable.   My 
inclination is to trust synaptic.



Did you try to do a "dist-upgrade" equivalent with synaptic lately? You
might run into the same issues then. (You do not give any details about
the aptitude commands that you tried.)

For example, the newest versions of several MTA packages conflict with
each other which could explain the exim4 - nbsmtp issue. Something
similar might be behind the rest of the things that aptitude wants to
do. Aptitude will explain the reasons for its intended actions if you
run it with the "-D" option.

  
I wish to thank everyone for the response.  I did NOT allow aptitude to 
do anything; I merely used the "examine" option to see the solution 
which aptitude proposed.  So my system still is running, and appears to 
be in good order, despite the warning of Aptitude.


At this point (fresh install), the only non-Debian packages installed 
are version 5 of Adobe Acroread and CrossOver Office (which is by the 
primary developers of WINE).


I have been allowing Synaptic to upgrade packages almost on a daily 
basis.  The only problem Synaptic has encountered is a configuration 
failure with emacs21. 

I routinely used Aptitude for about two years, until I switched to 
Synaptic.  And several times while using Aptitude I have gotten into a 
bind, as Osamu warns.  This is another reason why I recommend Synaptic 
for the new Debian user:  he is less likely to get into trouble with 
Synaptic.  With Aptitude, one incorrect keystroke can bring about disaster.


RLH


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Non english filesnames and unicode

[Micha Feigin]

My system is configured to work in unicode at the moment and I'm working with
urxvt. I have a directory with a few hebrew file names. using ls shows all
question marks. Trying tab completion shows jiberish. using the jiberish
doesn't work to access the files and using the ??? doesn't work either. How do
I configure the system to show the file names? (when using a hebrew keyboard I
see the hebrew characters on screen, so it seems that it's using 3 different
encodings, one for ls, one for tab completion and one for input.

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Re: Video in mozilla/firefox

[Jan Willem Stumpel]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Jan Willem Stumpel wrote:
>>This may be a very old FAQ, and if so, my apologies.
>>
>>For several months now, I have been unable to watch video streams
>>from most sites (including e.g. cnn.com) using mozilla/firefox +
>>mozilla-mplayer. The stream seems to connect, plays for about 1/3
>>of a second, then stops, then starts all over again, does the same
>>thing.
>>[..]
> 
> Hi Jan,
> I'm using firefox 2.0 on a Debian Etch box. I tested the cnn site you
> mentioned and watched a couple of videos there with no problem. The site
> complainde that I didn't have the latest version of the WMP but allowed me
> to carry on anyway. Then the videos came up with no problem and played to
> completion normally. I'm using the 3.31. You might want to check your
> about:plugins in your firefox browser. (Just enter that in the address
> band) and you should see an entry like this:
> Windows Media Player Plugin
> 
> File name: mplayerplug-in-wmp.so
> mplayerplug-in 3.31

Ι see exactly the same thing in about:plugins.

  Windows Media Player Plugin

File name: mplayerplug-in-wmp.so
mplayerplug-in 3.31

Video Player Plug-in for QuickTime, RealPlayer and Windows
Media Player streams using MPlayer
JavaScript Enabled and Using GTK2 Widgets

So it seems the problem is somewhere else..

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Delete Win 2K partition on Debian dual boot to re-use space.

[del]

Hello to all,

I have a dual boot Debian Sarge/Win 2K box.

The 2K has been broken for some time but is no loss as I have another
machine for the few remaining tasks, some games for me and for the
convenience of other family members who are more comfortable with
Windows. I have long since removed the Win 2K from the boot menu.

I would now like to remove the 2K partition to regain the space for use
for MP3s.  Would I be able to have a second "home" so it will not be
wiped if I need to re-install at some time, say when I break my machine
upgrading to Etch later this year :)

I have looked at the partitions with live cds (Knoppix and similar)
and have burned the few things that mattered from 2K. I have also a
qtparted live cd to hand. 

So to the questions, 

1) How to remove?
2) What to name it to survive a re-install?
3) Is it possible to have a second home?
4) How could I have found the answer myself in the Debian archives to
   save asking here?
5) And Is there a tutorial on looking this kind of thing up in say 
   Google Groups?

Thanks for any replies to any part of the questions.

Kind Regards, 
Del.

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Exim4 and clamav not working

[Jim Seymour]

Hi,

If there is a better list for this question please let me know. I am 
trying to get exim4, spamassassin and clamav happily working together 
with a minimum amount of additional packages added on a Debian Etch 
system with all updates current. Basically I have installed exim4-heavy, 
sa-exim, spamassassin and the clamav packages. I am using the 
/var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl socket and have that configured in both the 
clam.conf and in the /etc/exim4/conf.d/main/02_exim4-config_options. 
Clamav has been added to the Exim-debian group the 
AllowSupplementaryGroups option is in clam.conf. The scan directory 
/var/spool/exim4/scan has the following permissions drwxrwx--- and has 
owner.group of Debian-exim. This is in 
/etc/exim4/conf.d/acl/40_exim4-config_check_data file:

deny  message = This message contains a virus: ($malware_name) please 
scan your system.
 demime = *
 malware = *

The spamassassin part works fine and mail is coming through. The clamav 
part is not. It will not identify the eicar test in mail. It will also 
happily allow the clamav-testfiles to go through without seeing them. 
Obviously clamav is not getting to scan any mail. I need help figuring 
out why. The clamd daemon is running and the only error I can find is 
when I start the clamd:

Starting ClamAV daemon: clamdLibClamAV Warning: 

LibClamAV Warning: ***  This version of the ClamAV engine is outdated.  
***
LibClamAV Warning: *** DON'T PANIC! Read http://www.clamav.net/faq.html 
***
LibClamAV Warning: 


The freshclam package is also installed and will give the same error 
when started, however it confirms the db is up to date. The setup is 
straight from the README.Debian in the clamav-docs package. The log 
files for exim, syslog, mail and clamav are providing zero clues.

Thanks,

Jim
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Re: seting up outgoing mail (smtp) on home system (adsl)

[Osamu Aoki]

On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 02:32:02PM -0300, Rodrigo Paes wrote:
> On Sat, 04 Nov 2006 16:14:16 +0100
> "ae roy roy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I would like to send system-mail (mail that otherwise is sent to [EMAIL 
> > PROTECTED]) to my real mailadresse, which I read all the time. My outgoing 
> > smtp-server that I use is mail.lyse.no.
> 
> have you tried sending yourself an email from cli before going into that ?

Good point.

> there is a good chance that your mail server will drop it because it's
> a "dsl" or "cable" IP range address, some servers reject connections
> from IPs whose reverse DNS lookup doesn't look kosher... or even worst
> which is my case, your service provider may be blocking outbound tcp
> sessions on port 25... 

If your ISP has SMTP server, they shoud recieve mail and forward to
outside.  Even if they do not use port 25, message submission port
should exist.  Also they may use SMTP-AUTH these days.  These can be
dealt with by EXIM.

Read your ISP's guide for connecting with outlook or some mail cliant
software which they usually do.  If they have funny port there, you have
to use it.  As long as your EXIM behaves like outlook, they will
get it.  

Read README.Debian for exim4 for SMTP-AUTH.  
/etc/exim4/passwd.client is one to set AUTH password etc.

SSL port are usually open so if you really want to be secure, send mail
through SSL and run EXIM to recieve it by yourself.  Or just encrypt
your mail.

So port 25 blocking should not stop you sending mail outside with MTA.

Osamu


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Gnome "open file" window

[Rodrigo Paes]

Hi all,

Is there anyway to change de default size in gnome of the "open file" window ?

for instance, when you are in gedit and you go "Ctrl-o" it opens a 184x34 
dialog box, and if you press the ALT + Right button, you can stretch it.. I was 
wondering if I could change this default size

TIA

[]s
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Re: Yes, I really did it!

[Osamu Aoki]

On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 06:10:47PM -0500, Name Withheld wrote:
> 
> 
> rm -rf /
> 
> Yep,
> I really did it. I was pretty angry at the time, about ready to take a very 
> large hammer in hand and reduce that old, obsolete i386 box to scrap.

If you have other desktop, plug your harddisk therre and install system.
Then move HD to 386.

I am not sure current etch support 386.  There is no 386 kernel except
as "Linux 2.6 image on 486-class - transition package"

Try older Debian :-)

Osamu


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Re: Unofficial Firefox packages?

[Mathias Brodala]

Hello Marc.

> I can run the debian
> version of firefox by invoking 'mozilla-firefox' and the new version
> with 'firefox.'  But you can't run both at the same time.

You can. Create a profile for each of them and run them with their profile.


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Re: seting up outgoing mail (smtp) on home system (adsl)

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 05:18:12PM +0100, ae roy roy wrote:
> 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Osamu Aoki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "ae roy roy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: seting up outgoing mail (smtp) on home system (adsl)
> > Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 01:12:07 +0900
> > 
> > 
> > On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 04:14:16PM +0100, ae roy roy wrote:
> > > I would like to send system-mail (mail that otherwise is sent to 
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]) to my real mailadresse, which I read all the 
> > > time. My outgoing smtp-server that I use is mail.lyse.no.
> > > I'm not going to recieve mail on this, only send mail out.
> > >
> > > Anybody have an url to some easy documentation?
> > 
> > Edit the bottom line of the /etc/aliases starting with root to an
> > external mail address [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of the local address given 
> > in
> > install time.
> > 
> > Exim4 lacks man page for aliases (sendmail have it) but this is
> > explained in many howto.
> 
> >
> 
> But how does the system know which smtp-server to use for sending mail?

UNless you've set up some rules otherwise, it will use the same smtp
server that it uses for all outgoing mail? Or are you generally
bypassing the local mail system by using a MUA that talks to your smtp
servers directly? IOW, are you currently using exim to send outgoing
mail? or just local delivery?

Here's what you do, dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config and select smarthost
option. After you've done that, you need to configure the
/etc/exim4/passwd.client file to include the smtp server, login and
password. then restart the server and it should work. 

hth

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Re: seting up outgoing mail (smtp) on home system (adsl)

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On 11/04/06 09:14, ae roy roy wrote:
> I would like to send system-mail (mail that otherwise is sent to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]) to my real mailadresse, which I read all the
> time. My outgoing smtp-server that I use is mail.lyse.no. I'm not
> going to recieve mail on this, only send mail out.
> 
> Anybody have an url to some easy documentation?

If you use postfix (which is what I know, so that's what I'm going
to talk about), run
   # dpkg-reconfigure postfix
and choose "Internet with smarthost" and follow the prompts.

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Re: Yes, I really did it!

[Ron Johnson]

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> How do I tftp the kernel image, and initrd.img over the LAN to that old
> i386?

Current Debian systems don't support the 386.  gcc is the cause, so
I think you're hosed regarding modern versions of Linux.

NetBSD is your best bet.  It's more tuned to old stuff.

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Re: seting up outgoing mail (smtp) on home system (adsl)

[Rodrigo Paes]

On Sat, 04 Nov 2006 16:14:16 +0100
"ae roy roy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I would like to send system-mail (mail that otherwise is sent to [EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]) to my real mailadresse, which I read all the time. My outgoing 
> smtp-server that I use is mail.lyse.no.

have you tried sending yourself an email from cli before going into that ?

there is a good chance that your mail server will drop it because it's a "dsl" 
or "cable" IP range address, some servers reject connections from IPs whose 
reverse DNS lookup doesn't look kosher... or even worst which is my case, your 
service provider may be blocking outbound tcp sessions on port 25... 


[]s
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Re: Unofficial Firefox packages?

[Marc Shapiro]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On 2006-11-01, Marc Shapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 


Zbigniew Wiech wrote:

   


If you mean FF 2.0, it is in experimental.
   


That's 2.0-beta2, which the add-on I'm trying refuses to install on.
 


I'm also intrested in FF2 since it is officially released now.
Is there an ETA into Debian?
It would be too bad if political/license stuff prevents
"normal/unstable users" to move to FF2.0.
   


regards David.
   


Why do you need debpackaged FF2.0 ?

Tar available on mozilla.org includes binaries that "just works" on my 
old sarge. You have only to unpack whole /firefox directory to your disc. 
 

Does this interfere with the debian package of Firefox in Sarge, or can 
they both be run simultaneously?
   

How do you move the settings and bookmarks from the old debian 
package install of Firefox to the new FF2 installed from the
firefox-2.0.tar.gz?  The debian installed version puts files 
all over the place, so I'm not sure what to move(or copy) and

where to put it.
 

I DL'd the tarball to my home directory and then untarred it.  It 
creates a 'firefox' directory.  I ran firefox from my home directory 
with 'firefox/firefox' and it picked up all of my bookmarks, history, 
etc. with no problems.  After a few tests, and my wife saying she tried 
it at work and really liked it, I moved the firefox directory to 
/usr/lib/ and changed usr/bin/firefox to point to 
/usr/lib/firefox/firefox.  Now it 'just works.'  I can run the debian 
version of firefox by invoking 'mozilla-firefox' and the new version 
with 'firefox.'  But you can't run both at the same time.


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Boom. Sooner or later ... boom!

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Re: [OT] M$ collaborates with Suse

[Ron Johnson]

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>> On (03/11/06 07:48), Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
[snip]
> Microsoft's motives are clear, they want to be dominant the
> player in IT.  However, they've already lost the data center and
> they're about to lose more.

My eyes see lots of ProLiants running Win Server 2K3, and only some
running Linux, HP-UX and a few running z/OS & OpenVMS.

The fact that MSFT's *income* in *always* increasing is prima facia
evidence that MSFT is winning, and has been really winning for 6
years (since Server 2K was released).

> They're in a vise and are responding
> in the only way they know how.  Certainly, the patent litigation
> will be unpleasant, but they are doomed to fail.

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Re: Yes, I really did it!

[David Clymer]

On Sat, 2006-11-04 at 08:08 -0600, John W. Foster wrote:
> On Friday 03 November 2006 05:10 pm, Name Withheld wrote:
> > rm -rf /
> >
> > Yep,
> > I really did it. I was pretty angry at the time, about ready to take a very
> > large hammer in hand and reduce that old, obsolete i386 box to scrap.

> Easiest way to do this in a hurry is to use a kernal and small system 
> installe 
> on a USB flash drive that can be encrypted and boot from that. There is a 
> grub boot floppy image in stable that will accomplish this if you can set the 
> old box 'bios' to boot from the usb port. I have done this on newer 
> equipment, never tried any thing older that an old 586 amd,
> Good luck.

If this is a 386, its highly unlikely that he has a usb port, let alone
bios support for booting from it.

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Re: exim4 and mail queue

[David Jardine]

On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 10:22:37AM -0500, Bernard Fay wrote:
 
> How can I remove a message in the mail queue of exim4?

I use the previous version of exim, not exim4, and I go to 
/var/spool/exim/input and remove the two files corresponding 
to the message to be deleted.  There's probably a cleaner way 
to do it, but I've had no trouble.

Hope that helps,
David

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Re: quick scripting question - finding occurrence in many lines

[David Clymer]

On Fri, 2006-11-03 at 13:32 -0800, Aleksei Dzhulai wrote:
> The simplest case:
> awk '{for (i=1;i<=NF;i++) {if ($i~/Processor/) print $(i-1)} }' file
> 

This doesn't work at all for me. Given the file:

BOF
junk info 18 Pro
cessor
EOF

It produces no output.

I think this should do what you want.

awk -v RS='' '{gsub("\n", ""); split($0, parts); for (x in parts) if 
(parts[x]~/Processor/) print parts[x-1]}'

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Re: [OT] M$ collaborates with Suse

[David Baron]

On Saturday 04 November 2006 04:20, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * Clive Menzies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Nov 03 08:55 -0600]:
> > On (03/11/06 07:48), Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Google news reports that M$ is going to collaborate with Novell on Suse
> > > Linux.
> > > I wonder what that means... ;-)
> >
> > Interesting but when you sup with the devil, you need a very long
> > spoon.
>
> Clearly this is an unholy alliance and the sooner the community moves
> away from Novell/SuSE products, the better.  MS is not at a point where
> they can be trusted, yet--certainly not as long as Bill and Steve are
> anywhere close to the controls.
>
> I think this will be seen as a turning point somewhere down the road,
> the question is which way it will turn.
>
> The optimist in me likes to think that this is merely a sign of
> desperation on the part of both Novell and MS, that the momentum is so
> high on our side that MS' tea leaves are showing that Vista will be a
> bust.
>
> Then I am completely put off by the arrogance of the whole thing.  MS
> is in effect scolding all of us over here for even daring to run, let
> alone develop our software.  The fact is that MS has lost the mindshare
> and no amount of patent lawsuits will bring that back.  The more they
> fight with patents, the more they will become a routing problem and
> soon an irrelevant entity.
>
> > Either way I have a healthy sceptcism of Microsoft's motives.
>
> Microsoft's motives are clear, they want to be dominant the player in
> IT.  However, they've already lost the data center and they're about to
> lose more.  They're in a vise and are responding in the only way they
> know how.  Certainly, the patent litigation will be unpleasant, but
> they are doomed to fail.
>
Muchado about nothing (or not much). Why all the indignation.
Novell has already been working on interoperability with M$. Mono runs .net 
stuff on a Linux box. So what's so bad about that?

I always felt the M$ hounding Robertson out of the Lindows name was s 
obvious: M$ Lindows is coming!


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Re: seting up outgoing mail (smtp) on home system (adsl)

[Håkon Alstadheim]

ae roy roy wrote:

I would like to send system-mail (mail that otherwise is sent to [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]) to my real mailadresse, which I read all the time. My outgoing 
smtp-server that I use is mail.lyse.no.
I'm not going to recieve mail on this, only send mail out.

Anybody have an url to some easy documentation?

  


Depends on the MTA you choose (postfix or exim are good choices) . 
Basically you want a single configuration entry, usually goes in 
/etc/aliases (at least if you are using sendmail or postfix for MTA). 
The entry should be 'root: \root, [EMAIL PROTECTED]'. The 
'\root,' thing makes it also put a copy locally. It is optional, but it 
is a good idea for when you are off the net and doing emergency 
maintenance.


Extra: for setting up an MTA, you want to find an option called 
smarthost, this should be configured to whatever your internet provider 
says is your "server for outgoing mail". This is nessesary if you ever 
use your local MTA to deliver mail outside your ISP's network.


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Re: seting up outgoing mail (smtp) on home system (adsl)

[Osamu Aoki]

On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 04:14:16PM +0100, ae roy roy wrote:
> I would like to send system-mail (mail that otherwise is sent to [EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]) to my real mailadresse, which I read all the time. My outgoing 
> smtp-server that I use is mail.lyse.no.
> I'm not going to recieve mail on this, only send mail out.
> 
> Anybody have an url to some easy documentation?

Edit the bottom line of the /etc/aliases starting with root to an
external mail address [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of the local address given in
install time.

Exim4 lacks man page for aliases (sendmail have it) but this is
explained in many howto.


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Re: seting up outgoing mail (smtp) on home system (adsl)

[ae roy roy]

> - Original Message -
> From: "Osamu Aoki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "ae roy roy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: seting up outgoing mail (smtp) on home system (adsl)
> Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 01:12:07 +0900
> 
> 
> On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 04:14:16PM +0100, ae roy roy wrote:
> > I would like to send system-mail (mail that otherwise is sent to 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]) to my real mailadresse, which I read all the 
> > time. My outgoing smtp-server that I use is mail.lyse.no.
> > I'm not going to recieve mail on this, only send mail out.
> >
> > Anybody have an url to some easy documentation?
> 
> Edit the bottom line of the /etc/aliases starting with root to an
> external mail address [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of the local address given in
> install time.
> 
> Exim4 lacks man page for aliases (sendmail have it) but this is
> explained in many howto.

>

But how does the system know which smtp-server to use for sending mail?

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Re: exim4 and mail queue

[Greg Folkert]

On Sat, 2006-11-04 at 10:22 -0500, Bernard Fay wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> How can I remove a message in the mail queue of exim4?

As root:

exipick -i | xargs exim4 -Mrm

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exim4 and mail queue

[Bernard Fay]

Hello,

How can I remove a message in the mail queue of exim4?

Thanks,
Bernard



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seting up outgoing mail (smtp) on home system (adsl)

[ae roy roy]

I would like to send system-mail (mail that otherwise is sent to [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]) to my real mailadresse, which I read all the time. My outgoing 
smtp-server that I use is mail.lyse.no.
I'm not going to recieve mail on this, only send mail out.

Anybody have an url to some easy documentation?

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Re: Unofficial Firefox packages?

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

On 2006-11-01, Marc Shapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Zbigniew Wiech wrote:
>
>>
>> > > > If you mean FF 2.0, it is in experimental.
>> > > That's 2.0-beta2, which the add-on I'm trying refuses to install on.
>>
>> > I'm also intrested in FF2 since it is officially released now.
>> > Is there an ETA into Debian?
>> > It would be too bad if political/license stuff prevents
>> > "normal/unstable users" to move to FF2.0.
>>
>> > regards David.
>>
>> Why do you need debpackaged FF2.0 ?
>>
>> Tar available on mozilla.org includes binaries that "just works" on my 
>> old sarge. You have only to unpack whole /firefox directory to your disc. 
>
> Does this interfere with the debian package of Firefox in Sarge, or can 
> they both be run simultaneously?
>
> -- 
> Marc Shapiro
>
> No boom today. Boom tomorrow. There's always a boom tomorrow.
> What?! Look, somebody's got to have some damn perspective around here.
> Boom. Sooner or later ... boom!
>
> - Susan Ivanova: B5 - Grail
>
>

How do you move the settings and bookmarks from the old debian 
package install of Firefox to the new FF2 installed from the
firefox-2.0.tar.gz?  The debian installed version puts files 
all over the place, so I'm not sure what to move(or copy) and
where to put it.


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Re: Shared library exists but claimed not found

[Aaron M. Stromas]

Michael Marsh wrote:

On 11/4/06, Aaron M. Stromas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On several occasions I had this problem when an application fails to
start with "error while loading shared libraries: libxxx.so: cannot
open shared object file: No such file or directory", yet the library is
there and I have update the cache using ldconfig.

For example, I'm trying to get Skype running on AMD64:

sella:#/home/ams/# skype
skype: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory
sella:/home/ams/# ldd /usr/bin/skype
linux-gate.so.1 =>  (0xe000)
librt.so.1 => /lib32/librt.so.1 (0xf7f42000)
libasound.so.2 => /usr/lib32/libasound.so.2 (0xf7e82000)
libqt-mt.so.3 => not found


I notice you're using 32-bit shlibs here, but...


sella:/home/ams# locate libqt-mt.so.3
/usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
/usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3.3
/usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3.3.7
/usr/share/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
/usr/share/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3.3


...these all appear to be native 64-bit.
Thank you! This gave me a hint: I downloaded the i386 package, 
libqt3-mt_3.3.7-1_i386.deb,
pulled it apart, copied the libraries into /usr/lib32, ran ldconfig and 
voiala!:


sella:/home/ams/# ldd /usr/bin/skype | grep 'not found'
   libaudio.so.2 => not found

Now, I need to do the same with libaudio2 and maybe Thanks a log 
Michael!!



sella:/home/ams# ldconfig -v | grep libqt-mt.so.3
libqt-mt.so.3 -> libqt-mt.so.3.3.7
sella:/home/ams/# ls -l /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3.3.7
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10390056 Oct 21 13:45 /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3.3.7
sella:/home/ams# /usr/bin/skype
/usr/bin/skype: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3:
cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory


You didn't run ldd again to see if it's now found?

(I did, but you spotted the real problem, I believe)



Any suggestions why the library isn't picked up? TIA.


If you can get the 32-bit libqt-mt.so, that might help.  I've never
used 64-bit linux, so I'm just guessing.




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noatun and kaboodle config

[jdkaye10]

Sorry for the double posting. I posted this message on the debian.user.kde
list and didn't get any responses. Maybe someone on this list has an idea
how to do this.

Hi all,
Here's a simple one that I can't find after a few hours of searching. I'm
using Noatun 2.10.0 with KDE 3.5.5 on a Debian Etch box. I'm having
problems with my xv video driver so I'd like to be able to switch to xgl. I
can do this with kaffein but not with either noatun nor kaboodle.
As of now, both noatun and kaboodle default to xv which means I don't see
any image. Can someone give me a clue about how to change the video driver
for these kde apps.
Thanks in advance for any help.
Jonathan


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Re: Shared library exists but claimed not found

[Michael Marsh]

On 11/4/06, Aaron M. Stromas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On several occasions I had this problem when an application fails to
start with "error while loading shared libraries: libxxx.so: cannot
open shared object file: No such file or directory", yet the library is
there and I have update the cache using ldconfig.

For example, I'm trying to get Skype running on AMD64:

sella:#/home/ams/# skype
skype: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory
sella:/home/ams/# ldd /usr/bin/skype
linux-gate.so.1 =>  (0xe000)
librt.so.1 => /lib32/librt.so.1 (0xf7f42000)
libasound.so.2 => /usr/lib32/libasound.so.2 (0xf7e82000)
libqt-mt.so.3 => not found


I notice you're using 32-bit shlibs here, but...


sella:/home/ams# locate libqt-mt.so.3
/usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
/usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3.3
/usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3.3.7
/usr/share/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
/usr/share/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3.3


...these all appear to be native 64-bit.


sella:/home/ams# ldconfig -v | grep libqt-mt.so.3
libqt-mt.so.3 -> libqt-mt.so.3.3.7
sella:/home/ams/# ls -l /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3.3.7
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10390056 Oct 21 13:45 /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3.3.7
sella:/home/ams# /usr/bin/skype
/usr/bin/skype: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3:
cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory


You didn't run ldd again to see if it's now found?


Any suggestions why the library isn't picked up? TIA.


If you can get the 32-bit libqt-mt.so, that might help.  I've never
used 64-bit linux, so I'm just guessing.

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Re: Video in mozilla/firefox

[jdkaye10]

Jan Willem Stumpel wrote:

> This may be a very old FAQ, and if so, my apologies.
> 
> For several months now, I have been unable to watch video streams
> from most sites (including e.g. cnn.com) using mozilla/firefox +
> mozilla-mplayer. The stream seems to connect, plays for about 1/3
> of a second, then stops, then starts all over again, does the same
> thing.
> 
> Youtube and Google video are o.k., but most other sites are not.
> 
> I had been expecting that the problem would cure itself through
> Sid dist-upgrades, but so far it has not.
> 
> Is this a known symptom? Is there a cure?
> 
> dpkg -l|grep mplayer says
> 
> ii  mozilla-mplayer  3.31-1
> ii  mplayer  1.0-pre8cvs20061002-0.0
> 
> ii  mplayer-doc  1.0-pre8cvs20061002-0.0
> ii  mplayer-skin-blue1.5-0.5
> ii  mplayer-vidix-radeon 1.0-1
> 
> ii  xmms-xmmplayer   0.3.3-1
> 
> Regards, Jan
Hi Jan,
I'm using firefox 2.0 on a Debian Etch box. I tested the cnn site you
mentioned and watched a couple of videos there with no problem. The site
complainde that I didn't have the latest version of the WMP but allowed me
to carry on anyway. Then the videos came up with no problem and played to
completion normally. I'm using the 3.31. You might want to check your
about:plugins in your firefox browser. (Just enter that in the address
band) and you should see an entry like this:
Windows Media Player Plugin

File name: mplayerplug-in-wmp.so
mplayerplug-in 3.31
If you don't your .so file(s) is not in the right location.
Cheers,
Jonathan


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Re: Yes, I really did it!

[John W. Foster]

On Friday 03 November 2006 05:10 pm, Name Withheld wrote:
> rm -rf /
>
> Yep,
> I really did it. I was pretty angry at the time, about ready to take a very
> large hammer in hand and reduce that old, obsolete i386 box to scrap.
Easiest way to do this in a hurry is to use a kernal and small system installe 
on a USB flash drive that can be encrypted and boot from that. There is a 
grub boot floppy image in stable that will accomplish this if you can set the 
old box 'bios' to boot from the usb port. I have done this on newer 
equipment, never tried any thing older that an old 586 amd,
Good luck.
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Re: Shared library exists but claimed not found

[Tim Post]

On Sat, 2006-11-04 at 08:58 -0500, Aaron M. Stromas wrote:
> Greetings,
> 
> On several occasions I had this problem when an application fails to 
> start with "error while loading shared libraries: libxxx.so: cannot 
> open shared object file: No such file or directory", yet the library is 
> there and I have update the cache using ldconfig.
> 
> For example, I'm trying to get Skype running on AMD64:

I've had the same issue with Skype and (believe it or not) Python on
x86_64 and could never figure out why it was happening. 

I un-installed practically everything, re-installed from source and the
issue went away. I doubt such a drastic step was needed, but I had
limited time to figure it out and sourceballs handy on CD.

Really interested to know if you solve this, I have a farm of Athalon xp
4200's I need to pave soon and really don't want to repeat the
experience on all of them.

Best,
-Tim



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Re: a CAD program for building a house?

[John W. Foster]

On Friday 03 November 2006 02:56 am, Bruno Boettcher wrote:
> Hello!
>
>  i am battling with an architect and a construction engeneer, and both
>  are most of the time unable to give me the informations i want, and
>  both don't give me some sort of digital version of the plans of my
>  house...
--STUFF SNIPPED--
Don't these people work for you. If they are being paid & will not provide you 
with the info you are paying for...fire them both now!! They will ultimately 
screw you over. I know they will come up with the argument that what they 
produce is their intellectual property & that they are only leasing the 
output to you..that is why they (most) will slap copyrights on every document 
they produce.  However if you have designed the house or anything else for 
that matter in rough sketches, with elements labeled and all they are doing 
is converting those to engineering specs, then they are already taking 
advantage of you, because they "may" ultimately sell your ideas to someone 
else. 
If on the other hand you are just consulting them in an exploratory process 
they are well within their rights to not provide you with any reproducible 
info.
Now as far as CAD for Linux there are a great number of offerings out there 
which all have numerous features and all see to be quite different in 
operation. A quick 'Google" will turn up the bulk of them. The top dog is 
Linux CAD which is a clean drop in replacement for AutoCAD. It is NOT free. 
It will do what you desire. If you are seeking the ultimate CAD for LInux 
that is free, I suggest BRL-CAD. The learning curve is VERY steep but it will 
do everything you ask and MUCH more. I reiterate it will take some time to 
learn how to use it.

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Re: A Question About Aptitude

[Osamu Aoki]

On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 12:40:54PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 05:51:05AM -0600, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> > 
> > As a result of discussions on this thread, I just ran aptitude.
> > 
> > Aptitude tells me that there is a broken package, and suggested that, 
> > because of dependency problems, I remove exim4, exim4-base, 
> > exim4-daemon-light, ftp, netbase, nfs-common, ntp, ntp-simple, ntp-date, 
> > openbsd-inetd, pidentd, telnet and I install nbstmp.
> > 
> There is a problem to running aptitude in my experience. Any time you 
> try to uninstall packages installed by aptitude on the basis of a 
> Recommends, aptitude may then attempt to uninstall _all_ packages based 
> on Recommends. [May because it doesn't happen 100% of the time].

Not just by Recommends but Depends too.  You see big A if the package is
installed automatically.  That is the design of aptitude.

> It may be that I'm just a dyed-in-the-wool dselect user but this 
> apparent feature has been enough to put me off aptitude altogether.

You can avoid installing recommends by a menu entry for configuration.

> IMHO, YMMV, etc. etc.

Some dependency handling is said to be the best under dselect (at least
strongly claimed by its author who seems to use it with dpkg-ftp.  No
APT on his machine.)  Policy on dependency handling was written by him.
So you are not alone and there is a man behind you :-)

But I got spoiled with aptitude's functionality for search etc.

Osamu


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Re: A Question About Aptitude

[Florian Kulzer]

On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 05:51:05 -0600, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> I am running a fresh install (two weeks ago) of Etch, and I have been 
> using synaptic to install and update packages.
> 
> As a result of discussions on this thread, I just ran aptitude.
> 
> Aptitude tells me that there is a broken package, and suggested that, 
> because of dependency problems, I remove exim4, exim4-base, 
> exim4-daemon-light, ftp, netbase, nfs-common, ntp, ntp-simple, ntp-date, 
> openbsd-inetd, pidentd, telnet and I install nbstmp.
> 
> What is going on here?  It appears to me that it is aptitude which needs 
> to be uninstalled.  I suspect that the operation proposed by aptitude 
> would render my installation unusable and likely irreparable.   My 
> inclination is to trust synaptic.

Did you try to do a "dist-upgrade" equivalent with synaptic lately? You
might run into the same issues then. (You do not give any details about
the aptitude commands that you tried.)

For example, the newest versions of several MTA packages conflict with
each other which could explain the exim4 - nbsmtp issue. Something
similar might be behind the rest of the things that aptitude wants to
do. Aptitude will explain the reasons for its intended actions if you
run it with the "-D" option.

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Shared library exists but claimed not found

[Aaron M. Stromas]

Greetings,

On several occasions I had this problem when an application fails to 
start with "error while loading shared libraries: libxxx.so: cannot 
open shared object file: No such file or directory", yet the library is 
there and I have update the cache using ldconfig.


For example, I'm trying to get Skype running on AMD64:

sella:#/home/ams/# skype
skype: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: cannot open 
shared object file: No such file or directory

sella:/home/ams/# ldd /usr/bin/skype
   linux-gate.so.1 =>  (0xe000)
   librt.so.1 => /lib32/librt.so.1 (0xf7f42000)
   libasound.so.2 => /usr/lib32/libasound.so.2 (0xf7e82000)
   libqt-mt.so.3 => not found
sella:/home/ams# locate libqt-mt.so.3
/usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
/usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3.3
/usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3.3.7
/usr/share/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
/usr/share/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3.3
sella:/home/ams# ldconfig -v | grep libqt-mt.so.3
   libqt-mt.so.3 -> libqt-mt.so.3.3.7
sella:/home/ams/# ls -l /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3.3.7
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10390056 Oct 21 13:45 /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3.3.7
sella:/home/ams# /usr/bin/skype
/usr/bin/skype: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: 
cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory


Any suggestions why the library isn't picked up? TIA.

Regards,

-a







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Re: A Question About Aptitude

[Clive Menzies]

On (04/11/06 05:51), Russell L. Harris wrote:
> I am running a fresh install (two weeks ago) of Etch, and I have been 
> using synaptic to install and update packages.
> 
> As a result of discussions on this thread, I just ran aptitude.
> 
> Aptitude tells me that there is a broken package, and suggested that, 
> because of dependency problems, I remove exim4, exim4-base, 
> exim4-daemon-light, ftp, netbase, nfs-common, ntp, ntp-simple, ntp-date, 
> openbsd-inetd, pidentd, telnet and I install nbstmp.
> 
> What is going on here?  It appears to me that it is aptitude which needs 
> to be uninstalled.  I suspect that the operation proposed by aptitude 
> would render my installation unusable and likely irreparable.   My 
> inclination is to trust synaptic.

Your inclination is probably right but it isn't aptitude's fault.  If
you consistently use aptitude it won't try to remove things arbitrarily.
The problem arises when you've used another package management system;
aptitude hasn't been involved on tracking the dependencies and
consequently make what appears to be arbitrary decisions.

However, if you use the 'examine' function when things break you can tab
through various options to set things straight; it does however, require
some patience and understanding to work your way through the problems.

Regards

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Re: A Question About Aptitude

[Osamu Aoki]

Hi,

On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 05:51:05AM -0600, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> I am running a fresh install (two weeks ago) of Etch, and I have been 
> using synaptic to install and update packages.
> 
> As a result of discussions on this thread, I just ran aptitude.
> 
> Aptitude tells me that there is a broken package, and suggested that, 
> because of dependency problems, I remove exim4, exim4-base, 
> exim4-daemon-light, ftp, netbase, nfs-common, ntp, ntp-simple, ntp-date, 
> openbsd-inetd, pidentd, telnet and I install nbstmp.

What distribution are you running?   I do not see nbstmp.  Are you using
non-Debian repository?  

Did you check oter combinaion of actions which may be less troublesome.
Use "," and "." to see different way of avoiding broken dependency under
latest aptitude.

> What is going on here?  It appears to me that it is aptitude which needs 
> to be uninstalled.  

Sorry to hear your trouble.

It seems to be a steap learning curve experience for you.  I do not know
how you ended up like this.  Maybe you just did not notice broken
dependencies until you are told.

> I suspect that the operation proposed by aptitude 
> would render my installation unusable and likely irreparable.   

I am sure aptitude asked you if particular action is OK or not.  You
pressed yes.  You could have stopped it there.

> My inclination is to trust synaptic.

I am not forcing anyone to use any tool.  Sharp tool tends to cause
trouble if the user are not careful especially when learning.  But sharp
tool can be fun once you get to use to it.

Just for your information

 http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?packages=aptitude+apt+synaptic+dpkg

See popcon result.  Most people use apt or aptitude these days.

Mixing installation tool may be the source of trouble.  I really do not
know.

For people facing similar situation, I recommend to go to
selectionscreen to the bottom "Tasks" and install packages under
Enduser.  Then you get minimum system with X and packages there tends to
be just the standard ones only.

Osamu


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Re: A Question About Aptitude

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 05:51:05AM -0600, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> 
> As a result of discussions on this thread, I just ran aptitude.
> 
> Aptitude tells me that there is a broken package, and suggested that, 
> because of dependency problems, I remove exim4, exim4-base, 
> exim4-daemon-light, ftp, netbase, nfs-common, ntp, ntp-simple, ntp-date, 
> openbsd-inetd, pidentd, telnet and I install nbstmp.
> 
There is a problem to running aptitude in my experience. Any time you 
try to uninstall packages installed by aptitude on the basis of a 
Recommends, aptitude may then attempt to uninstall _all_ packages based 
on Recommends. [May because it doesn't happen 100% of the time].

It may be that I'm just a dyed-in-the-wool dselect user but this 
apparent feature has been enough to put me off aptitude altogether.

IMHO, YMMV, etc. etc.

Andy


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Re: A Question About Aptitude

[Russell L. Harris]

I am running a fresh install (two weeks ago) of Etch, and I have been 
using synaptic to install and update packages.


As a result of discussions on this thread, I just ran aptitude.

Aptitude tells me that there is a broken package, and suggested that, 
because of dependency problems, I remove exim4, exim4-base, 
exim4-daemon-light, ftp, netbase, nfs-common, ntp, ntp-simple, ntp-date, 
openbsd-inetd, pidentd, telnet and I install nbstmp.


What is going on here?  It appears to me that it is aptitude which needs 
to be uninstalled.  I suspect that the operation proposed by aptitude 
would render my installation unusable and likely irreparable.   My 
inclination is to trust synaptic.


RLH


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Re: Display is jerky...........

[Florian Kulzer]

On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 14:02:12 +1100, M-L wrote:
> On Friday 03 November 2006 13:42, John - shared this with us all:
> > On (03/11/06 12:49), M-L wrote:
> > > My screen jumps about and in my /var/log/Xorg.0.log I have this line:-
> > >
> > > (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable
> > >
> > > I am wondering if someone might tell me what this means?
> > > ...
> > > Any suggestions welcome.
> >
> > I had the same problem; one one machine, it was paralyzing. I don't
> > know what it means; hopefully someone who understands better will
> > enlighten both of us. But I did manage to get it to go away by adding
> > the following two stanzas to /etc/X11/xorg.conf:
> >
> > Section "ServerFlags"
> > Option  "AIGLX" "off"
> > EndSection
> > Section "Extensions"
> > Option "Composite" "Disable"
> > EndSection
> >
> > All the usual warnings apply.
> 
> Thanks John, but it didn't change anything for me. Worth a try and thanks 
> again.

It is very difficult for us to help you as long as we do not know which
video card and driver you are using. Please post the output of the
following commands:

lspci | egrep -i 'video|vga|display'

awk '/Section "(Module|Device|DRI|Extensions|ServerFlags)"/,/EndSection/' 
/etc/X11/xorg.conf

egrep '^\((EE|WW)\)' /var/log/Xorg.0.log

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Re: i need ur help

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 01:32:31PM +0800, meisam sarabadani wrote:
> dear Debian People
> 
> its been long time im using ubuntu, breezy, dapper, and edgy the last one,
> im ganna change it to debian for a while, would u please tell me which
> distribution is better? i need to know it and i need to make up my mind what
> to do, tell me the differences please, is is a good idea to switch to
> debian, and by the way i know that ubuntu is debian base.
> 
> best regards.
> 
> Meisam Sarabadani student in MMU University, malaysia, Cyberia majoring at
> Information System Engineering

Use Debian testing (etch) at the moment. It will become Debian stable 
within about a month :) It supports most modern hardware, is relatively 
up to date (late model X.org, KDE 3.5.*, Gnome 2.14) and will have a 
long support lifetime. There is likely to be some package churn over the 
next month in preparation for the release - after that, the amount of 
updating needed will be minimal for a system that should "just work".

HTH,

Andy


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Video in mozilla/firefox

[Jan Willem Stumpel]

This may be a very old FAQ, and if so, my apologies.

For several months now, I have been unable to watch video streams
from most sites (including e.g. cnn.com) using mozilla/firefox +
mozilla-mplayer. The stream seems to connect, plays for about 1/3
of a second, then stops, then starts all over again, does the same
thing.

Youtube and Google video are o.k., but most other sites are not.

I had been expecting that the problem would cure itself through
Sid dist-upgrades, but so far it has not.

Is this a known symptom? Is there a cure?

dpkg -l|grep mplayer says

ii  mozilla-mplayer  3.31-1
ii  mplayer  1.0-pre8cvs20061002-0.0

ii  mplayer-doc  1.0-pre8cvs20061002-0.0
ii  mplayer-skin-blue1.5-0.5
ii  mplayer-vidix-radeon 1.0-1

ii  xmms-xmmplayer   0.3.3-1

Regards, Jan


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Re: A Question About Aptitude

[Osamu Aoki]

On Sat, Nov 04, 2006 at 02:06:19AM -0600, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> The point which I was trying to make -- which point has been lost in 
> this thread -- is that, particularly for those who are new to Debian and 
> for those who are not "power users", it almost always is much better to 
> use Synaptic than to use Aptitude or to regress to apt-get, etc.

OK.  You have a point.  (Although I have reservation on "much better".)

Just for the record ...

> Considering the typical abundance of drive space, it today is of little 
> consequence whether uninstallation of a package also automatically 
> results in unistallation of dependent packages.
> 
> But what is important are features of Synaptic such as the package 
> category panel, 

aptitude has similar.  I understand apt-get/apt-cache is not so easy.

> which can facilitate finding a package suitable for a 
> particular application and the search function, which has a variety of 
> options, rather than being limited to the package name. 

I think synaptics is the first tool which supported debtags mechanism
which is good thing.   Hmmm...  I do not see debtags support under
synaptics although documentation mention it.  Synaptics in sid does
not support debtags now.

Synaptic has nice and easy gui search helper tool.

aptitude has extensive search function too which can read package
description and make quite complicated search rules.  But this is based
on regular expression concept which is not so easy for novice.  Now, ~G
will match debtags. This is not so intuitive ... wait, the current
aptitude in sid seems to support many browsing mode including debtags.
Nice.

> For example, searching on description as well as name often turns up 
> useful packages of which the user was not aware.  

Yes.

> A simple click on the 
> package name displays in the lower pane of the screen a description of 
> the package. 

Use of ~d etc. will let me do this in aptitude but it is not so
intuitive.

> Contrary to the opinion of some, the graphical user interface is not 
> inherently evil.  

That is true as long as you have working X :-)

> In this type of application, the graphical user 
> interface of Synaptic is very well suited to rapid searching and 
> scanning of a large number of candidates, and helps acquaint the user 
> with the resources available in the Debian package archive.

This is good point.  I may use this search thing in synaptic in future.
Thanks reminding me.  Since packagesearch tool is based KDE/Qt, now I
should use this as search tool under gnome.

Again, people need to use best tools for their tasks.

Osamu


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Re: i need ur help

[Eeltje]

Tim Post schreef:

> On Sat, 2006-11-04 at 13:32 +0800, meisam sarabadani wrote:
> > dear Debian People
> >
> > its been long time im using ubuntu, breezy, dapper, and edgy the last
> > one, im ganna change it to debian for a while, would u please tell me
> > which distribution is better? i need to know it and i need to make up
> > my mind what to do, tell me the differences please, is is a good idea
> > to switch to debian, and by the way i know that ubuntu is debian
> > base.
> >
> > best regards.
> >
> > Meisam Sarabadani student in MMU University, malaysia, Cyberia
> > majoring at Information System Engineering
>
> What's the intended use of the system? I use Ubuntu breezy and Debian
> Sarge (plus a little help from backports.org) for most things, I find I
> like both equally.
>
> Best,
> -Tim
>

I agree with Tim that first of all you should make up your mind about
the intended use of your system. I have experience with SUSE when
OpenSUSE did not yet exist. I had to buy a new version every year or
so. Moreover it turned out to be very difficult to install newer
software, because the libraries were becoming too old.

Then I decided to install Debian. I chose the 'testing' distribution.
Now I have it two years running and I am very satisfied. 'Testing' is
continuously updated, so you have very recent software. Moreover, the
updating is a continuous process, so you never have to reinstall your
system. Moreover, in 'testing' you have very many packages, which can
be installed with 'synaptic', a graphical front end to 'apt'.

During the last two years I have experience very few serious problems
with 'testing'.

I use Debian 'testing' as a desktop system for my own personal use. Of
course, if you are using your system in a production environment you
should choose 'stable' in stead of 'testing'.

Installing Debian is very easy: just download a CD for a net install
and then install your system from the net. 

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how to configure konqueror to work with java(applet)..??

[Brad Brock]

Hi, I want to preview some applets in browsers. I've
tried mozilla-firefox and opera, both of them work
fine. But, I can't get the preview of my applet in
Konqueror. I installed java in /usr/java. What should
I do to fix it...???


 

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Re: Etch/Cupsys/Gutenprint - failure to communicate

[Osamu Aoki]

On Mon, Oct 23, 2006 at 03:31:37PM -0400, Matthew Krauss wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On a clean new Etch install, I can't seem to see any Gutenprint printer 
> drivers (ie. the Canon iP4000) from any Cupsys printer setup tool (ie. 
> gnome-cups-manager, http://localhost:631).  I have cupsys, 
> cupsys-driver-gutenprint, and foomatic-db-gutenprint installed.  Plenty 
> of printer drivers show up, but none of them seem to be Gutenprint 
> drivers.  I have also tried upgrading to the cupsys in Sid.  I have 
> googled endlessly.

I just filed a bug report now.  I see the same problem.

Install foomatic-gui and all foomatic related data and gutenprint things, 
you can set up OK.

Use aptitude and use slash (/) to search packages with foomatic and
gutenprint, if you are not sure about what to install :-)

Osamu


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Re: Etch/Cupsys/Gutenprint - failure to communicate

[Florian Kulzer]

On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 12:02:32 -0500, Matthew Krauss wrote:
> George Borisov wrote:
> >Matthew Krauss wrote:
> >  
> >>Anyone?
> >>
> >>(..crickets chirping..)
> >>
> >
> >If all else fails, get hold of the PPD file and copy it into the
> >"/usr/share/cups/drivers" folder. That should ensure that Cups
> >can see it.
> >  
> Thanks, I tried that, but it still does not show up.

What happens if you go to the http://localhost:631 frontend, use "add
printer" and point CUPS to the PPD file manually? (at the "or provide a
PPD file" text input box with the "browse" button next to it)

> Is there any more information I can provide?
> 
> Does anybody know if this should be reported as a bug?  (Again, this is 
> a clean Etch install, and *all* Gutenprint drivers are inaccessible, 
> which I think would effect a lot of people.)
> 
> I would like to solve this problem, not just for myself (I have a 
> reasonable workaround as mentioned earlier) but for others -- I just 
> don't know how to proceed now.

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Re: A Question About Aptitude

[Russell L. Harris]

The point which I was trying to make -- which point has been lost in 
this thread -- is that, particularly for those who are new to Debian and 
for those who are not "power users", it almost always is much better to 
use Synaptic than to use Aptitude or to regress to apt-get, etc.


Considering the typical abundance of drive space, it today is of little 
consequence whether uninstallation of a package also automatically 
results in unistallation of dependent packages.


But what is important are features of Synaptic such as the package 
category panel, which can facilitate finding a package suitable for a 
particular application and the search function, which has a variety of 
options, rather than being limited to the package name. 

For example, searching on description as well as name often turns up 
useful packages of which the user was not aware.  A simple click on the 
package name displays in the lower pane of the screen a description of 
the package. 

Contrary to the opinion of some, the graphical user interface is not 
inherently evil.  In this type of application, the graphical user 
interface of Synaptic is very well suited to rapid searching and 
scanning of a large number of candidates, and helps acquaint the user 
with the resources available in the Debian package archive.


RLH


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