Re: multi-gnome-terminal alternative

[Kamaraju Kusumanchi]

On Sunday 31 December 2006 13:24, Jerome BENOIT wrote:

> Is there any good alternative, patches or workarounds ?
>

I use konsole all the time. It does not have all the features that 
multi-gnome-terminal has. For example multi-gnome-terminal has facilities to 
split the screen horizontally and vertically. Other than funky stuff like 
this (which are very cool btw) konsole is pretty good. But then you probably 
benefit more from konsole if you are using KDE than gnome.

konsole like applications (in Debian):
  gnome-terminal
  konsole
  multi-gnome-terminal
  rxvt
  mrxvt
  xterm
  Xvt
  rxvt-unicode
  rxvt-unicode-lite
  eterm
  aterm
  yakuake
  urxvt
  MLterm

Please let me know if you come across anything else and if I have missed 
something...

hth
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Re: new to debian but having installation problems

[Mike Myers]

On 1/1/07, Kamaraju Kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Sunday 31 December 2006 12:24, Mike Myers wrote:
>
> Thanks for the tips!  I downloaded the etch cd and it detected my card
and
> installed fine.  The only issue now is getting the nvidia driver
installed.
> The 'nv' driver doesn't work with my widescreen display at all.  It
looks
> like to do this, I need to have a custom kernel so the driver from
nvidia
> can build a module for it.  Might there be an easier way to do this?

m-a update
m-a prepare
m-a a-i nvidia

modconf
  -> select and load the nvidia module

m-a stands for the module-assistant. The above procedure requires for you
to
have contrib non-free (along with main) added to your apt-get mirrors in
the /etc/apt/sources.list

You will need to do this every time you update your kernel.

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That's good to know!  What is all that doing behind the scenes?  I'm used to
loading the module manually and adding a line in
/etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel- 2.6 so it is loaded while booting up.  So I
would just do like,

modprobe nvidia; echo "nvidia" >> /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6;

and be done.  If you can point me to where I can RTFM that'd be awsome,
heh.  Thanks!

Re: new to debian but having installation problems

[Kamaraju Kusumanchi]

On Sunday 31 December 2006 12:24, Mike Myers wrote:
>
> Thanks for the tips!  I downloaded the etch cd and it detected my card and
> installed fine.  The only issue now is getting the nvidia driver installed.
> The 'nv' driver doesn't work with my widescreen display at all.  It looks
> like to do this, I need to have a custom kernel so the driver from nvidia
> can build a module for it.  Might there be an easier way to do this?

m-a update
m-a prepare
m-a a-i nvidia

modconf
  -> select and load the nvidia module

m-a stands for the module-assistant. The above procedure requires for you to 
have contrib non-free (along with main) added to your apt-get mirrors in 
the /etc/apt/sources.list

You will need to do this every time you update your kernel.

hth
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Re: new to debian but having installation problems

[Mike Myers]

Yes!  That's exactly what I was looking for.  I also had to install the
nvidia-glx package to allow xorg to use the driver.  Thanks a lot!

On 12/31/06, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 11:24:03AM -0600, Mike Myers wrote:
> >
> >
> Thanks for the tips!  I downloaded the etch cd and it detected my card
and
> installed fine.  The only issue now is getting the nvidia driver
installed.
> The 'nv' driver doesn't work with my widescreen display at all.  It
looks
> like to do this, I need to have a custom kernel so the driver from
nvidia
> can build a module for it.  Might there be an easier way to do this?

yup. install the nvidia-kernel package appropriate for your
system. you will have to add the 'non-free' repository to your
sources.list.

edit /etc/apt/sources.list
you will find a line like

deb http://somemirror.here.org/debian/ etch main

add to the end of that line "contrib non-free" without the quotes

deb http://somemirror.here.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free

use your favorite package manager to update the cache

apt-get update
aptitude update
etc.

apt-cache search nvidia-kernel and check out the various
packages. probably you want nvidia-kernel-2.6- or
nvidia-kernel-legacy-2.6-

enjoy

A


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Re: multi-gnome-terminal alternative

[Jerome BENOIT]

Hello Folks,

Mathias Brodala wrote:

Hello Marc.

Marc Wilson, 01.01.2007 01:57:

On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 03:32:26PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:

Why not just use gnome-terminal?

Have you ever *used* gnome-terminal?


I did and do and I’m happy with it.


'Nuff said.


I don’t think so. Please explain.


I tried gnome-terminal a few time ago when I realized that multi-gnome-terminal
was no more maintained: but it appeared that my escape sequences used for my 
bash
prompt were badly interpreted, so I stick to multi-gnome-terminal.
Obviously, today I have to move to gnome-terminal (I will miss the `split' 
features).
Why my escape sequence which works fine on xterm does not work with 
gnome-terminal ?
I guess that I have to configure something: I have a look to 
Edit->profiles->...,
but it might be somewhere else.

Any help is welcome,
Jerome




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Re: update messages (resolution)

[Digby Tarvin]

On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 05:01:30PM -0600, W Paul Mills wrote:
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> 
> > None of these are easy to find, and not really what you are looking for,
> > so I can see why it's a bit frustrating.
> > 
> 
> Most likely the only way you will get it to install is compile it
> yourself. The license is fairly restrictive, therefore not in debian
> at all. For more info and downloads, go to the official site...
> 
> http://www.trilon.com/xv/
> 
> I use it, but have had to recompile from time to time to keep it
> working.

Thanks - as per my earlier post, I have built a new debian package
from source, which did the trick.

Perhaps the best solution would be to have a comprehensive debian
package database into which not only listed the packages in the
official archive, but for those applications which for whatever
reason can't be in the archive can have entries donated outlining
where to find them or how to build them (or even experiences from
people that have tried to get it working and failed).

As another contribution (in case anyone else finds themselves
looking for it in the list archives) here is my recipe for
installing xearth in current Etch:

1.  Download from http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xearth.html
xearth_1.1-10.1.dsc
xearth_1.1.orig.tar.gz 
xearth_1.1-10.1.diff.gz
2.  tar -xvzf xearth_1.1.orig.tar.gz
gunzip xearth_1.1-10.1.diff.gz
cd xearth-1.1
patch -p1 <../xearth_1.1-10.1.diff
chmod ugo+x debian/rules
3.  edit debian/changelog and add an entry such as
xearth (1.1-10.3) unstable; urgency=low

 * increment version number (10.1 -> 10.3) to reflect recompile and avoid
 * conflict declaration in x11-common package

 -- Digby Tarvin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  Mon,  1 Jan 2007 04:33:01 +

4.  dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b
cd ..
sudo dpkg -i xearth_1.1-10.1_i386.deb

It worked for me, but please let me know if there is better way or
something I should have done differently...

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Re: digital pictures: reordering and renaming (in a different way)

[Kenward Vaughan]

On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 09:00:19PM -0500, H.S. wrote:
> H.S. wrote:
...
> >In Windows XP, it is also possible to drag and drop the images files in 
> >the desired order and one can also rename the files. The format is a bit 
> >better than in Picasa, though still limited, but all files get numbered. 
> >However, in XP the numbering format is easily refined using a shell 
> >script afterwards.
> >
> >So, this is a surprise for me actually (and a pleasant one for my 
> >Windows user friends) that this dragging and dropping files to order 
> >them and then to rename them in a batch mode was more easily accomplised 
> >in Windows than in Linux. Oh well ...


So comforting to know that I can do that between freezes on my S.P.2'd
gaming partition...  ;-)


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Re: Sarge: name resolution weirdness

[Carl Fink]

On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 10:34:19PM -0500, Marty wrote:
> Carl Fink wrote:
> >So, do I hold the record for "questions debian-user can't answer"?
> 
> The broken link sounds like an issue for the maintainer to sort out.  My 
> guess is the name resolution with non-existent resolv.conf files is somehow 
> related to virtualization.

Maintainer of which package? Virtualization of what?

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Re: Determining Page Size on AMD64 Etch

[Owen Heisler]

On 12/29/06, Matt Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > see what my page size is?
>
> man 2 getpagesize

Thanks, that helped.  I wrote the following C program which apparently tells me
that my pagesize is 4K:

#include 
#include 

int main ()
{
  printf ("%d\n", getpagesize ());
  return 0;
}


Maybe I'm missing something, but why not just look at /proc/swaps?


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Re: bridging eth1 to eth0

[Kevin Ross]

You got it half right.  Turning on ip_forward on the server is only one piece.  
The other piece is to set the client's default gateway to point to your server, 
which is 192.168.0.1.  You can set this via DHCP options, since you have a DHCP 
server.
 
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Re: /dev/dsp missing (SOLVED)

[Benjamí Villoslada]

El Diumenge 31 Desembre 2006 23:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] va escriure:
> Can anyone tell me how to get audio input without disbling the rest of
> the sound system?  That's what I thought I needed /dev/dsp for. I need
> to rip cassette tapes of church services to post on the church web site.

Maybe with alsaconf (as root) and then look for mute channels with alsamixer.

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Re: /dev/dsp missing

[Benjamí Villoslada]

El Diumenge 31 Desembre 2006 12:01, Sven Arvidsson va escriure:
> > Right, but maybe some another programs need /dev/dsp ... such as mpg123?
>
> mpg123 can use alsa, see the -o option.

Ok, thanks!  And Audacity, can works with ALSA?

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Re: Sarge: name resolution weirdness

[Marty]

Carl Fink wrote:

So, do I hold the record for "questions debian-user can't answer"?


The broken link sounds like an issue for the maintainer to sort out.  My guess 
is the name resolution with non-existent resolv.conf files is somehow related to 
virtualization.




Happy new year to everyone (who uses the Gregorian calendar--and to the rest
of you, too, just less appropriately).

On Fri, Dec 29, 2006 at 01:19:23PM -0500, Carl Fink wrote:

So yesterday my Sarge server couldn't resolve any host names.  Restarting
resolvconf did nothing.  Adding new servers to /etc/resolv.conf did nothing,
even though [EMAIL PROTECTED] worked fine.

I finally apt-get removed resolvconf and then rebooted (virtual server via
Rimuhosting).  That worked.

Except since then I got no mail.  Almost all of my mail is forwarded via my
server (which answers to both finknetwork.com and fink.to) to my account on
Panix.  


Checking the mail logs on my box showed that panix.com was an "unknown
service".  Uh, what?  I could, for instance, ping Panix and it would work. I
could "dig -t mx panix.com" and be told that I needed mx.panix.com.  But
Postfix, only, couldn't resolve hostnames.

A bit of investigation showed that /etc/resolv.conf was a broken symbolic
link to a nonexistent /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf.  Why?  I removed the
resolvconf package and rebooted--why would a reassignment like that happen? 
And in any case, how were other programs resolving if resolv.conf was

nonexistent?

Recreating resolv.conf STILL didn't work, even after I restarted Postfix. I
had to reboot again.

I HATE rebooting Linux boxes (even virtual ones).  Hate it.

Does anyone have an idea what the heck happened?
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Re: Sarge: name resolution weirdness

[Carl Fink]

So, do I hold the record for "questions debian-user can't answer"?

Happy new year to everyone (who uses the Gregorian calendar--and to the rest
of you, too, just less appropriately).

On Fri, Dec 29, 2006 at 01:19:23PM -0500, Carl Fink wrote:
> So yesterday my Sarge server couldn't resolve any host names.  Restarting
> resolvconf did nothing.  Adding new servers to /etc/resolv.conf did nothing,
> even though [EMAIL PROTECTED] worked fine.
> 
> I finally apt-get removed resolvconf and then rebooted (virtual server via
> Rimuhosting).  That worked.
> 
> Except since then I got no mail.  Almost all of my mail is forwarded via my
> server (which answers to both finknetwork.com and fink.to) to my account on
> Panix.  
> 
> Checking the mail logs on my box showed that panix.com was an "unknown
> service".  Uh, what?  I could, for instance, ping Panix and it would work. I
> could "dig -t mx panix.com" and be told that I needed mx.panix.com.  But
> Postfix, only, couldn't resolve hostnames.
> 
> A bit of investigation showed that /etc/resolv.conf was a broken symbolic
> link to a nonexistent /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf.  Why?  I removed the
> resolvconf package and rebooted--why would a reassignment like that happen? 
> And in any case, how were other programs resolving if resolv.conf was
> nonexistent?
> 
> Recreating resolv.conf STILL didn't work, even after I restarted Postfix. I
> had to reboot again.
> 
> I HATE rebooting Linux boxes (even virtual ones).  Hate it.
> 
> Does anyone have an idea what the heck happened?
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Re: soundjuicer and mp3

[Mathias Brodala]

Hello.

Nigel Henry, 31.12.2006 18:30:
> It may be worth checking that […] the key is installed
> ok.

This doesn’t matter on Sarge since the whole archive signing started after its
release and will be shipped for the first time with Etch.


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Re: multi-gnome-terminal alternative

[Mathias Brodala]

Hello Marc.

Marc Wilson, 01.01.2007 01:57:
> On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 03:32:26PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
>> Why not just use gnome-terminal?
> 
> Have you ever *used* gnome-terminal?

I did and do and I’m happy with it.

> 'Nuff said.

I don’t think so. Please explain.


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Re: update messages

[Digby Tarvin]

On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 05:05:27PM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 05:31:59PM +, Digby Tarvin wrote:
> > It makes me rather reluctant to upgrade if some package that I have
> > come to rely on might unexpectedly disappear - perhaps unnoticed
> > until it is urgently needed...
> 
> Not to belabor the obvious, but no one seems to have pointed this out in
> the remainder of the thread...
> 
> If you're using stable, there's no chance that a package is going to
> disappear from your box unless you deliberately remove it, or deliberately
> install something that conflicts with it and forces it off.  See the
> definition of a stable distribution
> 
> If you're using testing or unstable, implicit in that use is that you have
> a modicum of clue.  If you have such clue, exactly how is this package
> going to disappear?  You're actually going to be paying attention to what
> dselect, or apt-get, or aptitude (shudder), or synaptic, or whatever, tell
> you when you attempt to upgrade, and you won't give them permission to
> remove it.
> 
> Aren't you?

Actually yes, it was covered earlier in the thread, but to re-iterate:
I agree it would have been better to start with stable having had no
previous Debian experience, and I did attempt to, but it wouldn't install
on my Fujitsu notebook. 

The Debian release system is very good in theory, but the rate at
which hardware changes means that stable if often not usable on
new hardware :(

However even if I had been able to run on stable initially, at
some point the disincentive to upgrade would have become relevent
because upgrading would have involved moving to a new stable release
(Etch), and at that point things could apparently disappear.

> > Another package I just noticed is missing since my dist-upgrade is
> > xlockmore.
> 
> And there's the answer.  Obviously not.  Noticed *since* the dist-upgrade?
> Why didn't you notice *before* the dist-upgrade?  It's not like you weren't
> told.  For that matter, why did you give explicit permission to remove
> packages by using dist-upgrade in the first place?

Again, it was covered earlier - but the upgrade was because I *needed*
to install the X development libraries, and the only was to satisfy
the dependicies after exploring all suggested alternatives was to
go with the dist-upgrade and accepting the fact that I was going
to lose some packages that I needed. (apparently xorg had undergone
a significant modularity change since my last upgrade).

As to xlockmore - I described the situation badly. Yes, xlockmore
was listed as one of the packages that had to go, but I didn't
recognise it as one that I routinely used. It was afterwards that I
noticed that xlock was gone and then worked out that it was part of
the xlockmore package (rather than an alternative package as I had
mistakenly assumed).

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Re: Looking for dark background themes

[Mathias Brodala]

Hello.

T, 31.12.2006 23:59:
> I'm wondering if I can change those GTK/QT applications to a light-on-dark
> theme. Moreover, can you recommend a good light-on-dark theme?

You could try Mire v2[0] which will be released soon.


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Re: digital pictures: reordering and renaming (in a different way)

[H.S.]

H.S. wrote:

B-Fly wrote:



Google's Picasa 2 allows you to reorder photos with drag-and-drop and
batch renaming using the new ordering of the photos as basis for the
filename. Unfortunately it is based on wine, but they are nice enough to
supply a nice deb package.

Ronald




I tried it out, in Windows. While searching google no how to use the 
batch mode in picasa, I discovered that Windows XP also has the feature 
to do this. In Picasa, the first selected image file is not named in the 
same format as the others in the selection. The non-first files are 
numbered sequentially, the first one has no number. But one can drag and 
drop the image files in the order desired.


In Windows XP, it is also possible to drag and drop the images files in 
the desired order and one can also rename the files. The format is a bit 
better than in Picasa, though still limited, but all files get numbered. 
However, in XP the numbering format is easily refined using a shell 
script afterwards.


So, this is a surprise for me actually (and a pleasant one for my 
Windows user friends) that this dragging and dropping files to order 
them and then to rename them in a batch mode was more easily accomplised 
in Windows than in Linux. Oh well ...


->HS





I have discovered that there is krename in KDE which can rename selected 
 files. The order of the selected files can also be changed.


It has very powerful renaming features.

The only drawback of krename appears to be the lack of proper mouse 
support to drag and reorder the files to be renames. Currently, I think, 
one needs to click on the UP and DOWN arrow icons to move a selected 
file up or down; which could mean quite a many clicks to place a file in 
its proper place.



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Re: Perl Programming within Debian

[Greg Folkert]

On Sun, 2006-12-31 at 11:14 -0800, Tyler MacDonald wrote:
> Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Practical Extraction and Reporting Language
> > > 
> > > Or, Practical Extraction and Report Language (per the man page)
> > >  
> > > > Positively Eclectic Rubbish Lister
> > > 
> > > Or, Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister (per the Camel Book)
> > 
> > I see, you don't read this list totally. (You or Keeling)
> > 
> > Perl is Perl, nothing else. Even though the man page says so... Or the
> > Camel Book or whatever.
> > 
> > I've been admonished by Perl core team members and Perl Monks and many
> > from the Perl mailing lists.
> 
>   Perl is a bastardization of "Pearl". Larry Wall intended to call the
> langauge "Pearl".
> 
>   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl
> 

Please don't take Wikipedia as *THE* reference. Yes it is correct, in
this case.

Therefore that leaves:

Perl is just Perl, nothing else.

Why even argue when you say the same thing.

Please remember, I said Perl core team and Perl Monks... (#7
specifically http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=26179 )
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Re: Happy New Year to all the developers and helpers on Debian!

[Baz]

On 12/31/06, Kenward Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Folks,

You do a wonderful job, keeping the best dist. flowing along and
helping those who need it, on this list.  I started with Debian and
can't see myself changing ever.  It works too well, even for a bumbling
hobbyist like myself.

Please, PLEASE keep up the great work that is needed for a project and
community like this to thrive!  My new year's hat is off to you all!


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I'll second that.  I've tried several (SUSE 10.1, Ubuntu, Xubuntu, Freespire
& SLED 10.0) and Debian Etch is still my favorite.  Please keep up the good
work!  As well, the help afforded from other users is a major factor I've
stayed with it.

Happy holidays,
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Re: update messages

[Marc Wilson]

On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 05:31:59PM +, Digby Tarvin wrote:
> It makes me rather reluctant to upgrade if some package that I have
> come to rely on might unexpectedly disappear - perhaps unnoticed
> until it is urgently needed...

Not to belabor the obvious, but no one seems to have pointed this out in
the remainder of the thread...

If you're using stable, there's no chance that a package is going to
disappear from your box unless you deliberately remove it, or deliberately
install something that conflicts with it and forces it off.  See the
definition of a stable distribution

If you're using testing or unstable, implicit in that use is that you have
a modicum of clue.  If you have such clue, exactly how is this package
going to disappear?  You're actually going to be paying attention to what
dselect, or apt-get, or aptitude (shudder), or synaptic, or whatever, tell
you when you attempt to upgrade, and you won't give them permission to
remove it.

Aren't you?

> Another package I just noticed is missing since my dist-upgrade is
> xlockmore.

And there's the answer.  Obviously not.  Noticed *since* the dist-upgrade?
Why didn't you notice *before* the dist-upgrade?  It's not like you weren't
told.  For that matter, why did you give explicit permission to remove
packages by using dist-upgrade in the first place?

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Re: multi-gnome-terminal alternative

[Marc Wilson]

On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 03:32:26PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> Why not just use gnome-terminal?

Have you ever *used* gnome-terminal?  'Nuff said.

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Re: Looking for dark background themes

[Sergio Cuéllar Valdés]

On 12/31/06, T <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi,

My main color theme (for my fluxbox) is light-on-dark. But all GTK or QT
applications seems to be default to black-on-white, which is stressful
to my eyes.

I'm wondering if I can change those GTK/QT applications to a light-on-dark
theme. Moreover, can you recommend a good light-on-dark theme?

thanks


Hello,

I use the Tenebrific theme for GTK, You can find it here [1]. For the
QT applications I dont know.

[1] http://art.gnome.org/themes/gtk2/712

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Re: /dev/dsp missing (SOLVED)

[Marty]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Sat, Dec 30, 2006 at 03:53:14PM +0100, Benjam? Villoslada wrote:
I've seen this message durning one reboot (in order to test oss modules 
load): "/etc/modprobe.conf exists but does not include /etc/modprobe.d/!"


I see that my /etc/modprobe.conf is empty (no idea about the reason)  I've 
added include /etc/modprobe.d and now the system loads oss modules on boot:


$ cat /etc/modprobe.conf
include /etc/modprobe.d


I did this on my sarge system (which also didn't have a /dev/dsp) and 
one appeared.  I could cat from it, and cat /dev/urandom to it and get 
noise.  There are probably better things to cat to it.


Unfortunately, after I did this, none of my audio programs worked.  
Couldn't get sound out of kaffeine, xmms, konqueror


I know that xmms at least requires you to specify either ALSA or OSS in the 
sound driver configuration menu.




Is this a matter of /dev/dsp disabling alsa or something?

When I took the line out of /etc/modprobe.conf, making it empty again, 
and rebooted (just in case), /dev/dsp vanished, and sould still didn't 
come back.  I had a mute system.  It took powering it down to restore 
normal sound, without /dev/dsp.  This is probably a bug somewhere, that 
the sound card isn't being initialised properly.


Can anyone tell me how to get audio input without disbling the rest of 
the sound system?  That's what I thought I needed /dev/dsp for.


In Sarge some audio programs, like audacity use only OSS.  Otherwise you can use 
the ALSA sound devices.  With ALSA I suppose you have to disable real OSS, which 
has been deprecated anyway, and use the ALSA OSS-compatibility driver instead. 
I do this myself but use a combination of OSS programs that seems to require 
that I turn off the Gnome sound server (using the sound options in desktop 
preferences) but that could be a configuration error on my part.  This setup 
obviously does not support audio mixing.


 I need

to rip cassette tapes of church services to post on the church web site.


I've digitized a number of audio cassettes that using Gnome sound recorder, but 
getting the volume right was always tricky.




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Re: update messages

[W Paul Mills]

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Sven Arvidsson wrote:
> On Sun, 2006-12-31 at 19:11 +, Digby Tarvin wrote:
>> On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 07:31:04PM +0100, Sven Arvidsson wrote:
>>> On Sun, 2006-12-31 at 17:37 +, Digby Tarvin wrote:
 Here is what it says:
>>> [...]
  Maintainer: Fabian Greffrath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> That says it all, doesn't it?
>> Afraid the name doesn't mean anything to me. 
> 
> As it's maintained by someone with an debian-unofficial.org address, I
> take that as an indication that it's a package from their archives, and
> not one from the official Debian ones.
> 
> You could also look in the documentation of the package
> (/usr/share/doc/packagename) and see if there are any clues in
> changelog.Debian.gz, README.Debian etc. 
> 
>> Sorry, couldn't find the message you are referring to - was it posted under
>> the same name? All I can find other than the the one I am replying to
>> is
> 
> This link, 
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=98215
> 
> From the bug report:
> "It turns out that after several years including
> xv in the non-free archive that we are not allowed to distribute
> modified binaries."
> 
>> Is there a history file/database somewhere where additions and
>> removals from the official debian package repository are logged?
>> Something which came back with 'removed on such and such a date
>> for such and such a reason' would be so much more useful than
>> a database which only mentioned packages that still existed.
>>
>> After all, if there is a philosophical objection to a package on
>> some ground, removing it makes a much stronger statement if people
>> know why it isn't there.
> 
> Packages being removed from a stable release is often mentioned in the
> news of the new release, see here for example.
> http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050416
> 
> There's also a page here, listing software that cannot be packaged,
> http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/unable-to-package
> 
> None of these are easy to find, and not really what you are looking for,
> so I can see why it's a bit frustrating.
> 

Most likely the only way you will get it to install is compile it
yourself. The license is fairly restrictive, therefore not in debian
at all. For more info and downloads, go to the official site...

http://www.trilon.com/xv/

I use it, but have had to recompile from time to time to keep it
working.

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Looking for dark background themes

[T]

Hi, 

My main color theme (for my fluxbox) is light-on-dark. But all GTK or QT
applications seems to be default to black-on-white, which is stressful
to my eyes. 

I'm wondering if I can change those GTK/QT applications to a light-on-dark
theme. Moreover, can you recommend a good light-on-dark theme?

thanks

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Re: soundjuicer and mp3

[Nigel Henry]

On Sunday 31 December 2006 21:13, Marcelo Chiapparini wrote:
> On Sun, 2006-12-31 at 18:30 +0100, Nigel Henry wrote:
> > On Sunday 31 December 2006 18:17, Nigel Henry wrote:
> > > On Sunday 31 December 2006 16:42, Marcelo Chiapparini wrote:
> > > > On Sun, 2006-12-31 at 16:30 +0100, Mathias Brodala wrote:
> > > > > Hello Marcelo.
> > > > >
> > > > > Marcelo Chiapparini, 31.12.2006 16:27:
> > > > > > thank you for your answer! My sources.list file has the Marillat
> > > > > > repository:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ sarge main
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now the output from aptitude:
> > > > >
> > > > > Did you run „aptitude update“ before this?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards, Mathias
> > > >
> > > > Mathias,
> > > >
> > > > I run update periodically. However, I ran aptitude update again now,
> > > > and I got the same result as before: Couldn't find any package whose
> > > > name or description matched "gstreamer0.8-lame"...
> > > >
> > > > are you running sarge?
> > > >
> > > > regards,
> > > >
> > > > Marcelo
> > >
> > > Out of interest I've just added Marillats repo to my Etch install. I
> > > don't use aptitude, but apt-get, and synaptic. There is a
> > > gstreamer-lame there, but it is version gstreamer0.10-lame, which is
> > > the same version as all the other gstreamer stuff on the list.
> > >
> > > Nigel.
> >
> > Apologies for replying to myself, but further down synaptics list is
> > gstreamer0.8-lame.
> >
> > I know I'm not in Sarge at the moment, so can't check out if it's
> > available there.  It may be worth checking that you have no typo
> > in /etc/apt/sources.list for the Marillat repo, and that the key is
> > installed ok.
>
> Hello Nigel, thank you for reply. No, I have no typos
> in /etc/apt/sources.list for the Marillat repo... I don't know about the
> key... by the way, does exist a list of all the software in Marillat
> repository?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Marcelo

I've just emailed Christian Marillat to see if there is a list of available 
packages. I know for third party repo's for Fedora core, there is normally a 
list of available packages, and you can download individual packages with no 
problem. Of course there may be dependency issues that, if you downloaded the 
packages with apt-get, dependencies would be resolved by apt-get, but might 
find yourself in dependency hell otherwise.

Just wait and see if I get a reply from him.

Nigel.

Re: xv resolved (was Re: update messages)

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Sun, 2006-12-31 at 21:46 +, Digby Tarvin wrote:
> Mind you - it still looks like xlockmore and xearth disappeared from
> the official packages with only an automated acknowledgement that
> they are gone rather than an explanation:
>   http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xlockmore/news/20061119T233918Z.html
>   http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xearth/news/20060610T210838Z.html
> 
> And a were it not for those examples of things that had disappeared
> from the official packages I probably would have been less quick
> to jump to conclusions about xv ;)

xlockmore is only removed from testing, not from the entire Debian
archive. http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xlockmore.html (See the section
Problems and the "Check why" link).

xearth was removed from Debian as it was orphaned, non-free, and
succeeded by xplanet. Once again, a link from packages.qa.debian.org
reveals this information.
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=400948

By the way, I did find this link,
http://ftp-master.debian.org/removals.txt
it seems to list all removed packages with corresponding bug numbers.
Isn't this what you were looking for?

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Re: /dev/dsp missing (SOLVED)

[hendrik]

On Sat, Dec 30, 2006 at 03:53:14PM +0100, Benjam? Villoslada wrote:
> I've seen this message durning one reboot (in order to test oss modules 
> load): "/etc/modprobe.conf exists but does not include /etc/modprobe.d/!"
> 
> I see that my /etc/modprobe.conf is empty (no idea about the reason)  I've 
> added include /etc/modprobe.d and now the system loads oss modules on boot:
> 
> $ cat /etc/modprobe.conf
> include /etc/modprobe.d

I did this on my sarge system (which also didn't have a /dev/dsp) and 
one appeared.  I could cat from it, and cat /dev/urandom to it and get 
noise.  There are probably better things to cat to it.

Unfortunately, after I did this, none of my audio programs worked.  
Couldn't get sound out of kaffeine, xmms, konqueror

Is this a matter of /dev/dsp disabling alsa or something?

When I took the line out of /etc/modprobe.conf, making it empty again, 
and rebooted (just in case), /dev/dsp vanished, and sould still didn't 
come back.  I had a mute system.  It took powering it down to restore 
normal sound, without /dev/dsp.  This is probably a bug somewhere, that 
the sound card isn't being initialised properly.

Can anyone tell me how to get audio input without disbling the rest of 
the sound system?  That's what I thought I needed /dev/dsp for. I need 
to rip cassette tapes of church services to post on the church web site.

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xv resolved (was Re: update messages)

[Digby Tarvin]

On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 11:55:38AM -0800, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > Its not so much the removal of a package that disturbs me - it is
> > the apparent lack of warning or explanation.
> 
> well, since it was removed from the official repositories in 2001:
> 
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=98215
> 
> it is very unlikely that you successfully installed it from official
> repositories in 2006. you obviously installed it from another
> source. so technically, it was not "Removed without notice". You have
> simply lost track of where it came from ;-P

I don't remember doing it, but it looks like I must have done, so
mea culpa on that one...

Mind you - it still looks like xlockmore and xearth disappeared from
the official packages with only an automated acknowledgement that
they are gone rather than an explanation:
http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xlockmore/news/20061119T233918Z.html
http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xearth/news/20060610T210838Z.html

And a were it not for those examples of things that had disappeared
from the official packages I probably would have been less quick
to jump to conclusions about xv ;)

> > It makes me rather reluctant to upgrade if some package that I have
> > come to rely on might unexpectedly disappear - perhaps unnoticed
> > until it is urgently needed...
> 
> that is the problem with using packages outside the official debian
> repositories. You got caught because a non-official package you were
> using has gotten out of sync with the official libraries that support
> it. best bet is to file a bug report with the group that is supplying
> the package. or use the source, luke.

Don't want to sound like I am just complaining without offering anything
constructive, so here is the solution I have found to obtaining xv for
the current Etch system:

1. Visit http://bok.fas.harvard.edu/debian/xv/index.html and
obtain:
xv-3.10a.tar.gz
xv-3.10a-jumbo-patches-20050501.tar.gz
xv-3.10a-jumbo20050501-1.diff.gz
2. Make sure the following packages are installed
xlibs-dev, dpkg-dev, libc6-dev, libtiff4-dev, libjpeg62-dev
libpng-dev, zlib1g-dev, debhelper, libxt-dev
3. Follow the instructions on the URL as follows:
tar -xvzf xv-3.10a.tar.gz
mv xv-3.10a xv-3.10a-jumbo20050501-1
cd xv-3.10a-jumbo20050501-1
patch -p1 < ../xv-3.10a-jumbo-fix-patch-20050410.txt
patch -p1 < ../xv-3.10a-jumbo-enh-patch-20050501.txt
patch -p1 < ../xv-3.10a-jumbo20050501-1.diff
chmod 755 debian/rules
dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b
cd ..
sudo dpkg -i xv_3.10a-jumbo20050501-1_i386.deb
sudo dpkg -i xv-doc_3.10a-jumbo20050501-1_all.deb

It would be nice if that procedure could be bundled up into a debian
source package if my understanding is correct and the problem with xv
was that the licence prohibits distribution of modified binaries.

Perhaps it is possible - I don't know enough about debian packages
to know for sure.

The good thing about that is the entire dist-upgrade requirement
stemmed from my needing the X development libraries, and at least
this exercise has verified my ability to build X applications now :)

Now to see if I can find the other two applications that I lost in
the process of the upgrade...

Regards,
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Re: digital pictures: reordering and renaming (in a different way)

[H.S.]

B-Fly wrote:



Google's Picasa 2 allows you to reorder photos with drag-and-drop and
batch renaming using the new ordering of the photos as basis for the
filename. Unfortunately it is based on wine, but they are nice enough to
supply a nice deb package.

Ronald




I tried it out, in Windows. While searching google no how to use the 
batch mode in picasa, I discovered that Windows XP also has the feature 
to do this. In Picasa, the first selected image file is not named in the 
same format as the others in the selection. The non-first files are 
numbered sequentially, the first one has no number. But one can drag and 
drop the image files in the order desired.


In Windows XP, it is also possible to drag and drop the images files in 
the desired order and one can also rename the files. The format is a bit 
better than in Picasa, though still limited, but all files get numbered. 
However, in XP the numbering format is easily refined using a shell 
script afterwards.


So, this is a surprise for me actually (and a pleasant one for my 
Windows user friends) that this dragging and dropping files to order 
them and then to rename them in a batch mode was more easily accomplised 
in Windows than in Linux. Oh well ...


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Re: your mail

[Guennadi Liakhovetski]

On Thu, 28 Dec 2006, Rick Thomas wrote:

>   There was an error starting the GNOME Settings Daemon
>   Some things such as themes, sounds, or background settings, may not
> work correctly.
>   The Settings Daemon restarted too many times
> 
>   The last error message was:
>   System Exception:IDL:Bonobo/GeneralError:1.0:
>   Child process did not give an error message,
>   unknown failure occurred.
>   Gnome will try to restart the Settings Daemon next time you
> login.
>   [close]
> 
> When I click [close] the wiggling stops and everything is (as far as I can
> tell) normal until I log out
> and try to login again.

The fact that after closing this window the machine behaves normally 
again, seems to suggest, that that's where you should search for the 
problem. Try to find out what the Settings Daemon does, maybe try to start 
it manually under strace and see where it fails? Or just starting it in 
the foreground might give some output on the terminal, look for verbouse 
or debugging mode. Or follow the advises above - try to select another 
theme, see if your sound works, etc.

Don't have any etch with X here, so, cannot verify myself.

Thanks
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Happy New Year to all the developers and helpers on Debian!

[Kenward Vaughan]

Folks,

You do a wonderful job, keeping the best dist. flowing along and
helping those who need it, on this list.  I started with Debian and
can't see myself changing ever.  It works too well, even for a bumbling
hobbyist like myself.

Please, PLEASE keep up the great work that is needed for a project and
community like this to thrive!  My new year's hat is off to you all!


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Re: Unable to Unmount Flash Drive

[Volker Braun]

This will show all programs that have files open under any directory:

/usr/sbin/lsof | grep 

Your  is probably /media/usbdisk 

Volker

PS: Please avoid excessive crossposting.

On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 09:41:11 -0800, John Serafin wrote:
>> Error
>> Cannot unmount volume
> Some process has its current working directory on the flash drive or
> some application has a file on the flash drive open.


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Re: multi-gnome-terminal alternative

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Mon, Jan 01, 2007 at 02:24:27AM +0800, Jerome BENOIT wrote:
> Hello List,
> 
> I have just tried Multi-Gnome-Terminal on my new x86_64 box:
> it appears the terminal is filled with arbitrary caracters
> [ bug #345504 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=345504 
> 
> Is there any good alternative, patches or workarounds ?
> 
Why not just use gnome-terminal?

Regards,

-Roberto

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RE: multiple network cards and dns

[Andrew Critchlow]

That's brilliant thanks for that!
I am going to be setting up a proxy server using Squid with 2 network cards. I 
am right in saying the routing table should have a default out the external 
interface.
Also the reason i was asking about dns is that as im using this box as a proxy 
what dns servers should i specify? Ones on the inside network, the isp's 
(external network), or both of them?
 
 
 
 
many thanks


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When you have 2 network cards in use with debian with DNS server configured on 
each which one does it choose to query for an address?  Is configuring 2 
network cards on debian as simple as configuring one card?  thanks everyone.DNS 
is a map of names to numbers and numbers to names. You can basically assign any 
name to each IP for each NIC. If you assign the same name to two IP address, 
BIND DNS will rotate the responses in a round robin fashion. So:foo.bar.   IN   
A   192.168.1.1foo.bar.   IN   A   192.168.1.2Will first respond to 
queries:192.168.1.1 192.168.1.2Then will respond:192.168.1.2 192.168.1.1This is 
a load balancing feature of BIND 4.9 and later versions, if this is what you 
are trying to accomplish. Otherwise if it's a firewall, assign a different name 
to the internal and external IPs.Configuring two NICs is as simple as adding 
another entry in /etc/network/interfaces for the new NIC. Be careful as 
sometimes after adding a second NIC the original NIC may become eth1 rather 
than eth0 (this has been PCI slot placement dependent for me).Here's the 
/etc/network/interfaces file from my firewall:# This file describes the network 
interfaces available on your system# and how to activate them. For more 
information, see interfaces(5).auto lo eth0 eth1# The loopback network 
interfaceiface lo inet loopback# The internal (onboard) network interfaceiface 
eth1 inet staticaddress 192.168.1.254netmask 255.255.255.0  
  network 192.168.1.0broadcast 192.168.1.255#gateway 
192.168.1.254# The external (pci) network interfaceiface eth0 inet static   
 address 55.55.55.105netmask 255.255.255.0network 55.55.55.0
broadcast 55.55.55.255gateway 55.55.55.254Note the commented out 
gateway for eth1. Since this is a firewall the appropriate gateway is the 
external one and if both gateways are enabled routes get screwed up. I know as 
I've had this hang me up before...-Ryan

Re: Perl Programming within Debian

[Nate Bargmann]

* Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Dec 31 12:43 -0600]:
 
> Perl is Perl, nothing else. Even though the man page says so... Or the
> Camel Book or whatever.
> 
> I've been admonished by Perl core team members and Perl Monks and many
> from the Perl mailing lists.

Sounds like a rather humorless bunch to me.  ;-)

Happy New Year!

- Nate >>

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Re: multi-gnome-terminal alternative

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 07:46:48PM +0100, Jhair Tocancipa Triana wrote:
> Jerome BENOIT writes:
> 
> > Is there any good alternative, patches or workarounds ?
> 
> Maybe set the bug severity to critical? The program is unusable and
> not suitable for release.
> 
No!!!

Please think about what you are saying.  The definition of a critical
bug is [0] "makes unrelated software on the system (or the whole system)
break, or causes serious data loss, or introduces a security hole on
systems where you install the package."

That is certainly not the case.  At *most* it is important: "a bug which
has a major effect on the usability of a package, without rendering it
completely unusable to everyone."

Again, just because a bug seriously affects you, does not mean that it
is the same for everyone.  In the case of a bug which does not cause a
security vulnerability or a loss or potential loss of data, there is
really no justification for it to be higher than important.

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: new to debian but having installation problems

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 11:24:03AM -0600, Mike Myers wrote:
> >
> Thanks for the tips!  I downloaded the etch cd and it detected my card and
> installed fine.  The only issue now is getting the nvidia driver installed.
> The 'nv' driver doesn't work with my widescreen display at all.  It looks
> like to do this, I need to have a custom kernel so the driver from nvidia
> can build a module for it.  Might there be an easier way to do this?

You can use a stock kernel just fine:

http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/

Regards,

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Re: apt-get dist-upgrade failes on ssh

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 05:57:47PM +0100, fvassem wrote:
> 
> I seem to have the same problem and I am not to familiar with the dpkg 
> command.
> 
> Can you give me the correct syntax for the dpkg command to install 
> openssh-client and server with the --force-all option?
> 
You are much better off purging ssh and then installing openssh-client
and openssh-server.  It is much safer that way.

Regards,

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Re: GRUB problem?

[Eeltje]

Keith Willis schreef:

> Hi,
>
> Here's a weird one...  I've noticed that as soon as the GRUB
> boot-loader runs, I lose my DVD-RW drive.  It functions normally if I
> jump into the BIOS setup at boot time, then ceases to respond the
> moment GRUB runs, so that even if I boot into WinXP, the drive does
> not show up.  Restoring the MBR makes the problem go away, so it is
> definitely not a drive problem.
>
> I can't see anything specifically about this at the GNU GRUB home
> page.  Anyone have any ideas, please?
>
> Thx,
> klw
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I had a problem with GRUB last week, it seemed that 'timeout' didn't
work. I also noted that I had the same problem with LILO and even when
starting a live-cd.

When I unplugged the keyboard I had no problem! As you can imagine the
problem disappeared when I bought a new keyboard.

The strange fact was that the only way in which I found the problem was
when booting. After the boot process the keyboard worked fine.

Maybe your problem is somehow similar?


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Re: Clone root partition

[T]

On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:08:14 -0300, Alejandro wrote:

> Suppose I have a production server with a /dev/sda disk and I mount a 
> second disk /dev/sdb in order to clon sda to sdb (booting from a live 
> cd). Sdb is the disk from a backup server (similar to the production 
> server) I want to use when the production server fails.
> 
> After doing "dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=10k"...do I have to do 
> something on /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst from the second drive 
> when this second disk is on the backup server ?? Or nothing else to do 
> in the second disk is OK to start the backup server ???

nothing else to do, as long as the second disk is used as sda in the
backup server, or to replace the failed original sda on the production
server.

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Re: update messages

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Sun, 2006-12-31 at 19:11 +, Digby Tarvin wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 07:31:04PM +0100, Sven Arvidsson wrote:
> > On Sun, 2006-12-31 at 17:37 +, Digby Tarvin wrote:
> > > Here is what it says:
> > [...]
> > >  Maintainer: Fabian Greffrath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 
> > That says it all, doesn't it?
> 
> Afraid the name doesn't mean anything to me. 

As it's maintained by someone with an debian-unofficial.org address, I
take that as an indication that it's a package from their archives, and
not one from the official Debian ones.

You could also look in the documentation of the package
(/usr/share/doc/packagename) and see if there are any clues in
changelog.Debian.gz, README.Debian etc. 

> Sorry, couldn't find the message you are referring to - was it posted under
> the same name? All I can find other than the the one I am replying to
> is

This link, 
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=98215

From the bug report:
"It turns out that after several years including
xv in the non-free archive that we are not allowed to distribute
modified binaries."

> Is there a history file/database somewhere where additions and
> removals from the official debian package repository are logged?
> Something which came back with 'removed on such and such a date
> for such and such a reason' would be so much more useful than
> a database which only mentioned packages that still existed.
> 
> After all, if there is a philosophical objection to a package on
> some ground, removing it makes a much stronger statement if people
> know why it isn't there.

Packages being removed from a stable release is often mentioned in the
news of the new release, see here for example.
http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050416

There's also a page here, listing software that cannot be packaged,
http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/unable-to-package

None of these are easy to find, and not really what you are looking for,
so I can see why it's a bit frustrating.

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Re: soundjuicer and mp3

[Marcelo Chiapparini]

On Sun, 2006-12-31 at 18:30 +0100, Nigel Henry wrote:
> On Sunday 31 December 2006 18:17, Nigel Henry wrote:
> > On Sunday 31 December 2006 16:42, Marcelo Chiapparini wrote:
> > > On Sun, 2006-12-31 at 16:30 +0100, Mathias Brodala wrote:
> > > > Hello Marcelo.
> > > >
> > > > Marcelo Chiapparini, 31.12.2006 16:27:
> > > > > thank you for your answer! My sources.list file has the Marillat
> > > > > repository:
> > > > >
> > > > > deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ sarge main
> > > > >
> > > > > Now the output from aptitude:
> > > >
> > > > Did you run „aptitude update“ before this?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Regards, Mathias
> > >
> > > Mathias,
> > >
> > > I run update periodically. However, I ran aptitude update again now, and
> > > I got the same result as before: Couldn't find any package whose name or
> > > description matched "gstreamer0.8-lame"...
> > >
> > > are you running sarge?
> > >
> > > regards,
> > >
> > > Marcelo
> >
> > Out of interest I've just added Marillats repo to my Etch install. I don't
> > use aptitude, but apt-get, and synaptic. There is a gstreamer-lame there,
> > but it is version gstreamer0.10-lame, which is the same version as all the
> > other gstreamer stuff on the list.
> >
> > Nigel.
> 
> Apologies for replying to myself, but further down synaptics list is 
> gstreamer0.8-lame.
> 
> I know I'm not in Sarge at the moment, so can't check out if it's available 
> there.  It may be worth checking that you have no typo 
> in /etc/apt/sources.list for the Marillat repo, and that the key is installed 
> ok.

Hello Nigel, thank you for reply. No, I have no typos
in /etc/apt/sources.list for the Marillat repo... I don't know about the
key... by the way, does exist a list of all the software in Marillat
repository?

Thanks!

Marcelo 

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Re: Missing packages (was Re: update messages)

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 06:01:39PM +, Digby Tarvin wrote:
> Further to the loss of 'xv', 'xearth' and 'xlock' after my recent
> 'apt-get dist-upgrade' of my etch system
> 
> I tried adding
> deb http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org/debian etch main contrib non-free 
> restricted
> 
> To my '/etc/apt/sources.list', and this does give me an 'xv' package to
> try to install. However when I attempt to do so I get:
> fujitsu:/etc/apt# apt-get install xv
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree... Done
> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
> or been moved out of Incoming.
> 
> Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
> the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
> that package should be filed.
> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
> 
> The following packages have unmet dependencies.
>   xv: Depends: libx11-6 but it is not going to be installed
> E: Broken packages
> 
> Which looks reasonable enough if there is an unsatisfied dependency,
> but
> fujitsu:/etc/apt# apt-get install libx11-6
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree... Done
> libx11-6 is already the newest version.
> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 14 not upgraded.
> 
> Which leaves me thinking that apt-get hasn't really provided a
> sufficient explanation of why the installation couldn't be
> completed?

well again, this *is* a package outside the official repositories so... 


> 
> Could it be that the message is just misleading and it really meant
> that libx11-6 is an incompatable version rather than simply not
> installed??

probably. use apt-cache show xv | grep Depends 
and compare it to apt-cache policy libx11-6 for definitive
information.


> 
> If it is a library version problem, then I assume the best
> solution is to find and install a debian source package for
> this application?

if you can get source, then that's prbably you're best bet.

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Re: update messages

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 05:31:59PM +, Digby Tarvin wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 30, 2006 at 04:59:40PM -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> > Digby Tarvin wrote:
> > > So what puzzles me is why it is no longer in 'non-free', and if
> > > it was removed because of some objection to the licensing terms,
> > > surely there should be something documenting this?
> > 
> > It may have been removed simply because no one was willing to maintain it
> > any more.  That often happens when a non-free package ceases to provide any
> > functionality not available in a Free package.
> > 
> > -- 
> > John Hasler
> 
> Its not so much the removal of a package that disturbs me - it is
> the apparent lack of warning or explanation.

well, since it was removed from the official repositories in 2001:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=98215

it is very unlikely that you successfully installed it from official
repositories in 2006. you obviously installed it from another
source. so technically, it was not "Removed without notice". You have
simply lost track of where it came from ;-P

> 
> It makes me rather reluctant to upgrade if some package that I have
> come to rely on might unexpectedly disappear - perhaps unnoticed
> until it is urgently needed...

that is the problem with using packages outside the official debian
repositories. You got caught because a non-official package you were
using has gotten out of sync with the official libraries that support
it. best bet is to file a bug report with the group that is supplying
the package. or use the source, luke.

 
> 
> Another package I just noticed is missing since my dist-upgrade is
> xlockmore. I searched packages.qa.debian.org and all I found was
> what looks like an automated logging of the fact that the package
> is gone - no reason or dialogue that I can see:
>   http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xlockmore/news/20061119T233918Z.html
> 
> Is there some mailing list I should be on to receive warnings about
> packages being considered for removal (assuming the disappearance
> was intentional)? 

probably. or you can subscribe to DWN which will list orphan packages
and removed packages as they appear. the W is currently a misnomer,
but we are grateful for the issues we get...

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Re: [Thinkpad] Unable to Unmount Flash Drive

[Alex Austin]

OpenOffice is bad for that. See if the quickstarter is running, and try
opening an OO document on the hard drive.

On 12/31/06, John Serafin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 04:06:20AM -0800, Baz wrote:
> Hello -
>
> I'm getting the following error message every time I attempt to unmount
my
> USB flash drive.
>
> Error
>
> Cannot unmount volume
>
> The volume was probably mounted manually on the command line.
>
> Details
>
> Device to unmount is not in /media/.hal-mtab so it is not mounted by HAL
>
> Contrary to the message, I didn't mount it manually on the command line.
>  It's been occurring now about a week.  Previously, there was no
problem.  I
> guess it's not a big issue just pulling it out, but I'd rather do it the
> proper way.  Since it began, I've been going to Administration > Disk
and
> simply disabling it.
>
> Sebastian

Some process has its current working directory on the flash drive or
some application has a file on the flash drive open.

the process needs to change its current working directory off the drive
or the application needs to close the file.

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Re: new to debian but having installation problems

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 11:24:03AM -0600, Mike Myers wrote:
> >
> >
> Thanks for the tips!  I downloaded the etch cd and it detected my card and
> installed fine.  The only issue now is getting the nvidia driver installed.
> The 'nv' driver doesn't work with my widescreen display at all.  It looks
> like to do this, I need to have a custom kernel so the driver from nvidia
> can build a module for it.  Might there be an easier way to do this?

yup. install the nvidia-kernel package appropriate for your
system. you will have to add the 'non-free' repository to your
sources.list.

edit /etc/apt/sources.list
you will find a line like

deb http://somemirror.here.org/debian/ etch main

add to the end of that line "contrib non-free" without the quotes

deb http://somemirror.here.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free

use your favorite package manager to update the cache

apt-get update
aptitude update
etc.

apt-cache search nvidia-kernel and check out the various
packages. probably you want nvidia-kernel-2.6- or
nvidia-kernel-legacy-2.6-

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Re: multiple network cards and dns

[Ryan Castleberry]

Andrew Critchlow wrote:
When you have 2 network cards in use with debian with DNS server 
configured on each which one does it choose to query for an address?
 
 
Is configuring 2 network cards on debian as simple as configuring one 
card?
 
 
thanks everyone.
DNS is a map of names to numbers and numbers to names. You can basically 
assign any name to each IP for each NIC. If you assign the same name to 
two IP address, BIND DNS will rotate the responses in a round robin 
fashion.


So:
foo.bar.   IN   A   192.168.1.1
foo.bar.   IN   A   192.168.1.2

Will first respond to queries:
192.168.1.1 192.168.1.2
Then will respond:
192.168.1.2 192.168.1.1

This is a load balancing feature of BIND 4.9 and later versions, if this 
is what you are trying to accomplish. Otherwise if it's a firewall, 
assign a different name to the internal and external IPs.


Configuring two NICs is as simple as adding another entry in 
/etc/network/interfaces for the new NIC. Be careful as sometimes after 
adding a second NIC the original NIC may become eth1 rather than eth0 
(this has been PCI slot placement dependent for me).


Here's the /etc/network/interfaces file from my firewall:

# This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
# and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).

auto lo eth0 eth1

# The loopback network interface
iface lo inet loopback

# The internal (onboard) network interface
iface eth1 inet static
   address 192.168.1.254
   netmask 255.255.255.0
   network 192.168.1.0
   broadcast 192.168.1.255
   #gateway 192.168.1.254

# The external (pci) network interface
iface eth0 inet static
   address 55.55.55.105
   netmask 255.255.255.0
   network 55.55.55.0
   broadcast 55.55.55.255
   gateway 55.55.55.254


Note the commented out gateway for eth1. Since this is a firewall the 
appropriate gateway is the external one and if both gateways are enabled 
routes get screwed up. I know as I've had this hang me up before...


-Ryan

Re: update messages

[Digby Tarvin]

On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 07:31:04PM +0100, Sven Arvidsson wrote:
> On Sun, 2006-12-31 at 17:37 +, Digby Tarvin wrote:
> > Here is what it says:
> [...]
> >  Maintainer: Fabian Greffrath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> That says it all, doesn't it?

Afraid the name doesn't mean anything to me. 

> > I have tried google, and whilest I have found the same deb package
> > that I have (or derivatives) elsewhere, I haven't found any explanation
> > as to why its gone - though I did find one site mirroring it because
> > 'debian hates XV'...??
> 
> Didn't you see my link to the bug report about the removal, in an
> earlier message in the thread?

Sorry, couldn't find the message you are referring to - was it posted under
the same name? All I can find other than the the one I am replying to
is
   8113 OsL 12/28 [ 0] Sven Arvidsson  (1.8K) Re: installing java (for limewire)
   8142 OsL 12/28 [ 0] Sven Arvidsson  (2.0K) Re: installing java (for limewire)
   8212 OsL 12/29 [ 0] Sven Arvidsson  (0.9K) Re: installing java (for limewire)
   8271 OsL 12/29 [ 0] Sven Arvidsson  (2.9K) Re: bridging eth1 to eth0
   8405 NsL 12/31 [ 0] Sven Arvidsson  (0.9K) Re: /dev/dsp missing
   8406 NsL 12/31 [ 0] Sven Arvidsson  (1.6K) Re: Looking for music player softw
   8414 NsL 12/31 [ 0] Sven Arvidsson  (1.6K) Re: Looking for music player softw

Is there a history file/database somewhere where additions and
removals from the official debian package repository are logged?
Something which came back with 'removed on such and such a date
for such and such a reason' would be so much more useful than
a database which only mentioned packages that still existed.

After all, if there is a philosophical objection to a package on
some ground, removing it makes a much stronger statement if people
know why it isn't there.

Regards,
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Re: Anacron job 'cron.daily'

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 10:06:45AM +0200, Justin Hartman wrote:
> Every day I get an email to my root account with the following error:
> 
> /etc/cron.daily/apt-cacher:
> flock() on closed filehandle $lck at
> /usr/share/apt-cacher/apt-cacher-cleanup.pl line 121.
> flock() on closed filehandle $lck at
> /usr/share/apt-cacher/apt-cacher-cleanup.pl line 123.
> 
> Not really sure (a) what this means and (b) how to rectify the
problem.

maybe you have an instance of apt running somewhere that has things
locked up? 

just a thought.

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Re: Perl Programming within Debian

[Tyler MacDonald]

Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Practical Extraction and Reporting Language
> > 
> > Or, Practical Extraction and Report Language (per the man page)
> >  
> > > Positively Eclectic Rubbish Lister
> > 
> > Or, Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister (per the Camel Book)
> 
> I see, you don't read this list totally. (You or Keeling)
> 
> Perl is Perl, nothing else. Even though the man page says so... Or the
> Camel Book or whatever.
> 
> I've been admonished by Perl core team members and Perl Monks and many
> from the Perl mailing lists.

Perl is a bastardization of "Pearl". Larry Wall intended to call the
langauge "Pearl".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl



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Re: multi-gnome-terminal alternative

[Jhair Tocancipa Triana]

Jerome BENOIT writes:

> Hello List,
> I have just tried Multi-Gnome-Terminal on my new x86_64 box:
> it appears the terminal is filled with arbitrary caracters
> [ bug #345504 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=345504 

I can reproduce this with

Package: multi-gnome-terminal
Version: 1.6.2-13
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)
Locale: LANG=en_US.ISO-8859-15, LC_CTYPE=en_US.ISO-8859-15 (charmap=ISO-8859-15)

> Is there any good alternative, patches or workarounds ?

Maybe set the bug severity to critical? The program is unusable and
not suitable for release.

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Re: apt-get dist-upgrade failes on ssh

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 05:57:47PM +0100, fvassem wrote:
> 
> I seem to have the same problem and I am not to familiar with the dpkg 
> command.
> 
> Can you give me the correct syntax for the dpkg command to install 
> openssh-client and server with the --force-all option?

the command is 

dpkg -i --force-all /path/to/openssh=client.deb

the .deb is probably located in /var/cache/apt/archives

don't do this lightly. forcing things can break them. find out why its
doing it and make sure you understand the risks before you issue that
command.

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Re: Making hotplugging my camera work

[Alan Chandler]

On Sunday 31 December 2006 02:02, Wayne Topa wrote:

> This may not apply to you, as you didn't say what version of digikam
> or Debian, your running, but I have a problem like yours with version
> 0.9.0~beta3-3 of digikan on a testing box.

I am running debian SID
>
> Prior to this version it found, and used, my Kodak CX-4230 without
> any problem.  Now it can't access it.
>
> As I got my wife a new Qlympus FE-130 for Xmas, I tried to see if
> this version worked with it, and it didn't, so I booted my Sid box
> which uses digikam_2%3a0.8.2-3_i386.deb.  It does not yet, handle the
> Olympus, but the Kodak is again working as usual on this version of
> digikam.

Yes - same version as me

My Olympus C-745UZ works fine using the mass storage driver.

>
> I have noticed that, in almost every new version of digikan,
> something that worked before, doesn't in the new version.  So much so
> that I am trying to find something to replace it and had not used it
> for months, prior to getting the Olympus.

My Casio is one that is of the USB mass storage type (ie it doesn't need 
a special driver). If I set things up manually that works fine.

What I am talking about is the automatic recognition when you plug them 
in.

I know this thread is drifting towards the photo packages on kde or 
gnome, but I suspect the problem could be with the interaction with 
udev/hal and the application.

Somewhere (and this is what I am finding hard to find) hal should have 
the device properties for the camera.  It should know its a camera and 
that its has storage of type mass storage.

Yet - if I do 

lshal | grep 'camera'

when the camera is plugged I don't get any lines that match.  That seems 
wrong - indeed, I sort of expect behind the scenes for hal to mount the 
device on /media/camera (or something similar - perhaps /media/sdg1, 
since /dev/sdg1 is the camera's picture partition).

On the otherhand - kde knows to suggest digikam as a potential 
application, so its getting the fact it is a camera from somewhere

There seems some random hal policy file in /etc/hal and some more what 
looks like configuration files in /usr/share/hal

But I cant find any information about which is the right place for me to 
add the information about 




>
> :-) HTH, YMMV, HAND & New Year :-)
>
> Wayne
>
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multi-gnome-terminal alternative

[Jerome BENOIT]

Hello List,

I have just tried Multi-Gnome-Terminal on my new x86_64 box:
it appears the terminal is filled with arbitrary caracters
[ bug #345504 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=345504 


Is there any good alternative, patches or workarounds ?

Thanks in advance,
Jerome

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Re: Perl Programming within Debian

[Greg Folkert]

On Sat, 2006-12-30 at 20:22 -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * s. keeling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Dec 30 20:14 -0600]:
> 
> > >  PERL style has changed radically over the years as has its usage 
> > >  (PERL==PErsonal Report Language and who uses it for this nowadays?). 
> > > Object 
> > 
> > Practical Extraction and Reporting Language
> 
> Or, Practical Extraction and Report Language (per the man page)
>  
> > Positively Eclectic Rubbish Lister
> 
> Or, Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister (per the Camel Book)

I see, you don't read this list totally. (You or Keeling)

Perl is Perl, nothing else. Even though the man page says so... Or the
Camel Book or whatever.

I've been admonished by Perl core team members and Perl Monks and many
from the Perl mailing lists.
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Re: update messages

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Sun, 2006-12-31 at 17:37 +, Digby Tarvin wrote:
> Here is what it says:
[...]
>  Maintainer: Fabian Greffrath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

That says it all, doesn't it?

> I have tried google, and whilest I have found the same deb package
> that I have (or derivatives) elsewhere, I haven't found any explanation
> as to why its gone - though I did find one site mirroring it because
> 'debian hates XV'...??

Didn't you see my link to the bug report about the removal, in an
earlier message in the thread?

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Re: Mapping version number to version name

[Gary Roach]

Ottavio Caruso wrote:

Hi all, Happy New Year!

I know I can get my Debian's version number in /etc/debian_version
file.
But how I map this to its name (Sarge, Potato, Woody)?

Thank you


Happy New Year to You too.

There is a list of releases with numbers at http://www.debian.org/releases/
but the list stops at 3. something. Im using testing and my release # is 
4.0 . I hope this helps some.


GLR


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Missing packages (was Re: update messages)

[Digby Tarvin]

Further to the loss of 'xv', 'xearth' and 'xlock' after my recent
'apt-get dist-upgrade' of my etch system

I tried adding
deb http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org/debian etch main contrib non-free 
restricted

To my '/etc/apt/sources.list', and this does give me an 'xv' package to
try to install. However when I attempt to do so I get:
fujitsu:/etc/apt# apt-get install xv
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.

Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
that package should be filed.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies.
  xv: Depends: libx11-6 but it is not going to be installed
E: Broken packages

Which looks reasonable enough if there is an unsatisfied dependency,
but
fujitsu:/etc/apt# apt-get install libx11-6
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
libx11-6 is already the newest version.
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 14 not upgraded.

Which leaves me thinking that apt-get hasn't really provided a
sufficient explanation of why the installation couldn't be
completed?

Could it be that the message is just misleading and it really meant
that libx11-6 is an incompatable version rather than simply not
installed??

If it is a library version problem, then I assume the best
solution is to find and install a debian source package for
this application?

Regards,
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Re: [Thinkpad] Unable to Unmount Flash Drive

[John Serafin]

On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 04:06:20AM -0800, Baz wrote:
> Hello -
> 
> I'm getting the following error message every time I attempt to unmount my
> USB flash drive.
> 
> Error
> 
> Cannot unmount volume
> 
> The volume was probably mounted manually on the command line.
> 
> Details
> 
> Device to unmount is not in /media/.hal-mtab so it is not mounted by HAL
> 
> Contrary to the message, I didn't mount it manually on the command line.
>  It's been occurring now about a week.  Previously, there was no problem.  I
> guess it's not a big issue just pulling it out, but I'd rather do it the
> proper way.  Since it began, I've been going to Administration > Disk and
> simply disabling it.
> 
> Sebastian

Some process has its current working directory on the flash drive or
some application has a file on the flash drive open.

the process needs to change its current working directory off the drive
or the application needs to close the file.

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Re: update messages

[Digby Tarvin]

On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 11:56:07AM +0100, Florian Kulzer wrote:
> > Is there any way to check the origin of an deb archive in my
> > /var/cache/apt/archives?
> 
> You could try
> 
> dpkg-deb --info /var/cache/apt/archives/.deb
> 
> As far as I know there is no standard field to denote the origin of a
> .deb file, but maybe you will find a clue somewhere, e.g. in the
> "Maintainer" field.

Here is what it says:
 new debian package, version 2.0.
 size 471666 bytes: control archive= 1534 bytes.
 752 bytes,15 lines  control  
1300 bytes,22 lines  md5sums  
 351 bytes,12 lines   *  postinst #!/bin/sh
 293 bytes, 8 lines   *  postrm   #!/bin/sh
 Package: xv
 Version: 3.10a-1duo+etch1
 Section: non-free/graphics
 Priority: optional
 Architecture: i386
 Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libjpeg62, libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.8rel), libtiff4, 
libx11-6, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1)
 Suggests: xv-doc, gs
 Installed-Size: 1156
 Maintainer: Fabian Greffrath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Description: An image viewer and manipulator for the X Window System
  xv is an interactive image manipulation program for the X Window System. It
  can operate on images in the GIF, JPEG, TIFF, PBM, PGM, PPM, XPM, X11 bitmap,
  Sun Rasterfile, Targa, RLE, RGB, BMP, PCX, FITS, and PM formats on all known
  types of X displays. It can generate PostScript files, and if you have
  ghostscript installed on your machine, it can also display them.

Looks consistent with Debian 'non-free' to me. 

> You could also check if you can find the .deb on snapshot.debian.net or
> with a google search.

I have tried google, and whilest I have found the same deb package
that I have (or derivatives) elsewhere, I haven't found any explanation
as to why its gone - though I did find one site mirroring it because
'debian hates XV'...??

Regards,
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Looking for music player software

[Mark Grieveson]

> I'm looking for a music player in Debian with some features, I
> did not yet find in the ones I tried

xmms gives some additional options for playing music, such as an
equalizer.  Also, a good website for finding music applications is 
http://sound.condorow.net/

Mark


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Re: update messages

[Digby Tarvin]

On Sat, Dec 30, 2006 at 04:59:40PM -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> Digby Tarvin wrote:
> > So what puzzles me is why it is no longer in 'non-free', and if
> > it was removed because of some objection to the licensing terms,
> > surely there should be something documenting this?
> 
> It may have been removed simply because no one was willing to maintain it
> any more.  That often happens when a non-free package ceases to provide any
> functionality not available in a Free package.
> 
> -- 
> John Hasler

Its not so much the removal of a package that disturbs me - it is
the apparent lack of warning or explanation.

It makes me rather reluctant to upgrade if some package that I have
come to rely on might unexpectedly disappear - perhaps unnoticed
until it is urgently needed...

Another package I just noticed is missing since my dist-upgrade is
xlockmore. I searched packages.qa.debian.org and all I found was
what looks like an automated logging of the fact that the package
is gone - no reason or dialogue that I can see:
http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xlockmore/news/20061119T233918Z.html

Is there some mailing list I should be on to receive warnings about
packages being considered for removal (assuming the disappearance
was intentional)? 

Regards,
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Re: Making hotplugging my camera work

[Wayne Topa]

Alan Chandler([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
> On Saturday 30 December 2006 19:32, Paul E Condon wrote:
> > On Sat, Dec 30, 2006 at 10:04:01AM +, Alan Chandler wrote:
> > > Can someone explain the processes that occur when I hot plug my
> > > camera in and kde pops up a dialog asking whether I want to
> > > download to digiKam, or open in a new window.
> ...
> > I'm not an expert, but this may help:
> > Cameras handle off-loading pictures in two different ways. The more
> > fancy cameras have special proprietary protocols for data transfer,
> > and give the user/owner special control options, but they require
> > specialized software. Less expensive cameras simply fake a $soft FAT
> > file system and let you use the file copy functions of your computer
> > to grab the pictures. Part of digikam is a collection of cloned
> > drivers for the expensive cameras.
> 
> You misunderstand my question.
> 
> I understand all that.  However, when I plug my camera in, KDE pops up a 
> dialog box saying new hardware found what you you like to do.  One 
> choice is to use digikam.
> 
> In the past when this has happened (with cameras which emulate usb mass 
> storage and therefore do not need special drivers) digikam has put up a 
> dialog box with thumbnails of all pictures in the camera, and an offer 
> to select and download these into an album.
> 
> With my new camera (which has this same support) it fails whilst trying 
> what show pictures it has in the camera.  The udev-hal-dbus chain is 
> not working correctly because the mount point /media/sdg1 does not seem 
> to have been created.
> 
> Furthermore - when I try and use udev to make the camera device 
> have /dev/camera as its device, kde's dialog box pops up the first time 
> after a reboot when I plug the device in, but not again when I unplug 
> it and plug it in again.  If I do not have a udev rule to alter things 
> it does pop up a dialog box every time.
> 
> In order to debug and track down what is not working, I am asking how 
> the udev-hal-dbus chain interacts with kde and digikam, and where to 
> look for configuration parameters so I can figure out what is not 
> working due to configuration problems and what might be a bug in kde 
> (or hal ...).

This may not apply to you, as you didn't say what version of digikam or
Debian, your running, but I have a problem like yours with version 
0.9.0~beta3-3 of digikan on a testing box.

Prior to this version it found, and used, my Kodak CX-4230 without any
problem.  Now it can't access it.

As I got my wife a new Qlympus FE-130 for Xmas, I tried to see if this
version worked with it, and it didn't, so I booted my Sid box which
uses digikam_2%3a0.8.2-3_i386.deb.  It does not yet, handle the
Olympus, but the Kodak is again working as usual on this version of
digikam.

I have noticed that, in almost every new version of digikan, something
that worked before, doesn't in the new version.  So much so that I am
trying to find something to replace it and had not used it for months,
prior to getting the Olympus.  


:-) HTH, YMMV, HAND & New Year :-)
Wayne

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Re: soundjuicer and mp3

[Nigel Henry]

On Sunday 31 December 2006 18:17, Nigel Henry wrote:
> On Sunday 31 December 2006 16:42, Marcelo Chiapparini wrote:
> > On Sun, 2006-12-31 at 16:30 +0100, Mathias Brodala wrote:
> > > Hello Marcelo.
> > >
> > > Marcelo Chiapparini, 31.12.2006 16:27:
> > > > thank you for your answer! My sources.list file has the Marillat
> > > > repository:
> > > >
> > > > deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ sarge main
> > > >
> > > > Now the output from aptitude:
> > >
> > > Did you run „aptitude update“ before this?
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards, Mathias
> >
> > Mathias,
> >
> > I run update periodically. However, I ran aptitude update again now, and
> > I got the same result as before: Couldn't find any package whose name or
> > description matched "gstreamer0.8-lame"...
> >
> > are you running sarge?
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Marcelo
>
> Out of interest I've just added Marillats repo to my Etch install. I don't
> use aptitude, but apt-get, and synaptic. There is a gstreamer-lame there,
> but it is version gstreamer0.10-lame, which is the same version as all the
> other gstreamer stuff on the list.
>
> Nigel.

Apologies for replying to myself, but further down synaptics list is 
gstreamer0.8-lame.

I know I'm not in Sarge at the moment, so can't check out if it's available 
there.  It may be worth checking that you have no typo 
in /etc/apt/sources.list for the Marillat repo, and that the key is installed 
ok.

Nigel.

Re: new to debian but having installation problems

[Mike Myers]

On 12/31/06, Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Sat, Dec 30, 2006 at 11:36:57PM -0600, Mike Myers wrote:
> On 12/30/06, Roberto C. Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >On Sat, Dec 30, 2006 at 11:20:41PM -0600, Mike Myers wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks for the prompt response!
> >>
> >> I'm using the i386 netinst.  The ethernet card is an intel
1000gigabit
> >> ethernet pro.  When I boot to the cd and go into a second terminal,
> >lspci
[...]
>
> Anyways, I still have Gentoo on that machine, and lspci just tells me
> that
> it's an Intel 1000Gigabit Ethernet Pro.  I'm not at the machine now to
> copy
> it verbatim, but it uses the e1000 driver in the kernel.  The install cd

not sure exactly which 2.6.8 kernel is in the sarge install, but I
still have 2.6.8-2 hanging around and it has the e1000 module, so
probably a 'linux26' when booting the installer would do it. if not,
then the etch install definitely will.

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Thanks for the tips!  I downloaded the etch cd and it detected my card and
installed fine.  The only issue now is getting the nvidia driver installed.
The 'nv' driver doesn't work with my widescreen display at all.  It looks
like to do this, I need to have a custom kernel so the driver from nvidia
can build a module for it.  Might there be an easier way to do this?

Re: soundjuicer and mp3

[Nigel Henry]

On Sunday 31 December 2006 16:42, Marcelo Chiapparini wrote:
> On Sun, 2006-12-31 at 16:30 +0100, Mathias Brodala wrote:
> > Hello Marcelo.
> >
> > Marcelo Chiapparini, 31.12.2006 16:27:
> > > thank you for your answer! My sources.list file has the Marillat
> > > repository:
> > >
> > > deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ sarge main
> > >
> > > Now the output from aptitude:
> >
> > Did you run „aptitude update“ before this?
> >
> >
> > Regards, Mathias
>
> Mathias,
>
> I run update periodically. However, I ran aptitude update again now, and
> I got the same result as before: Couldn't find any package whose name or
> description matched "gstreamer0.8-lame"...
>
> are you running sarge?
>
> regards,
>
> Marcelo

Out of interest I've just added Marillats repo to my Etch install. I don't use 
aptitude, but apt-get, and synaptic. There is a gstreamer-lame there, but it 
is version gstreamer0.10-lame, which is the same version as all the other 
gstreamer stuff on the list.

Nigel.

Nautilus,udev 3 Question

[E0x]

i am use Sid a few week ago the icons of partitions don't show anymore in
nautilus or desktop of gnome ( AFAIK nautilus control the desktop icons ) if
you mount  usb storage device the icon show up but the other partition not ,
even in place menu of gnome
so somebody know what happen with is a bug ? a feature ? anyway way to get
back  ?

second question , i have a usb storage device ( external enclosure disk of
2.5" ) with a fat32 file system , i set a volumen name in windows "DATA"
when i connect it to my Debian box it is mount with the volumen name "DATA"
so is posible get the same way for example my sata disk with XFS that
nautilus read the volumen name .


third question anybody can guide me for get this with udev+hal or whatever
is in that process: i want get all disk that is not specific in the
/etc/fsfab mounted and try reading the volumen name ( read the second
question  ) and mount with that name and with the same permission that get a
USB storage device with you mount it


Thanks
Edgar

apt-get dist-upgrade failes on ssh

[fvassem]

I seem to have the same problem and I am not to familiar with the dpkg command.

Can you give me the correct syntax for the dpkg command to install 
openssh-client and server with the --force-all option?

Thanks in advance!


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multiple network cards and dns

[Andrew Critchlow]

When you have 2 network cards in use with debian with DNS server configured on 
each which one does it choose to query for an address?
 
 
Is configuring 2 network cards on debian as simple as configuring one card?
 
 
thanks everyone.

Re: soundjuicer and mp3

[Marcelo Chiapparini]

On Sun, 2006-12-31 at 17:01 +0100, Mathias Brodala wrote:
> Hello Marcelo.
> 
> Marcelo Chiapparini, 31.12.2006 16:42:
> > On Sun, 2006-12-31 at 16:30 +0100, Mathias Brodala wrote:
> >> Marcelo Chiapparini, 31.12.2006 16:27:
> >>> thank you for your answer! My sources.list file has the Marillat
> >>> repository:
> >>>
> >>> deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ sarge main 
> >>>
> >>> Now the output from aptitude:
> >> Did you run „aptitude update“ before this?
> > 
> > I run update periodically. However, I ran aptitude update again now, and
> > I got the same result as before: Couldn't find any package whose name or
> > description matched "gstreamer0.8-lame"...
> > 
> > are you running sarge?
> 
> No, I’m running Sid. And indeed, there seems no such package for Sarge on 
> d-m.o,
> sorry about that. The packages are here[0], maybe they still work for you.
> 
> 
> Regards, Mathias
> 
> [0]
> ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/os/Linux/distributions/debian-multimedia/pool/main/g/gst-plugins0.8/
> 

Thank you very much for the link! I have tried to install the package
gstreamer0.8-lame_0.8.12-0.2_i386.deb, but it depens on a bunch of other
packages which versions in sarge are too old :(. I will continue to use
grip in order to rip mp3... and wait for etch to use soundjuicer...

Thanks again and have a happy new year!

Marcelo


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Re: Looking for music player software

[marc]

Philistine said...
> Hi,
> 
> I'm looking for a music player in Debian with some features, I
> did not yet find in the ones I tried (alsaplayer, beep,
> mp3blaster, quodlibet, rhythmbox, zinf). I did not try banshee
> ("55.2 MB of additional disk space will be used") nor amarok
> ("124MB..."). What I would like to see:
> 
> - most important: changing the speed without changing the pitch
> 
> - using a second output or sound card for "pre-listening"
> 
> - cross-fading
> 
> - search by artist/title/genre and by ranking
> 
> - nice to have: keeping track of intro/extro sequences
> 
> - UI: GTK+ or plain terminal preferred
> 
> Things I do not care about:
> 
> - any other media than locally stored OGG/MP3 files
> 
> - mobile music player devices
> 
> Is there such a program in Debian or at least in the free
> software universe? Many thanks in advance!

I would suggest giving Ableton a call and asking them to port Live! to 
Linux :-)

This is an interesting thread, and could I ask that you report back with 
your "final solution" when you get there.

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Freecom 27047 external HD

[jdkaye10]

Hi all,
I'm considering buying a Freecom 27047 external HD (400GB/Highspeed USB).
I'm running Debian testing with a 2.6.17 kernel. Although Linux is not
listed as a required OS, I don't see why this couldn't be used with Debian.
Does anyone have any experience in this area?
Any advice welcome.
Thanks in advance,
Jonathan


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Re: soundjuicer and mp3

[Mathias Brodala]

Hello Marcelo.

Marcelo Chiapparini, 31.12.2006 16:42:
> On Sun, 2006-12-31 at 16:30 +0100, Mathias Brodala wrote:
>> Marcelo Chiapparini, 31.12.2006 16:27:
>>> thank you for your answer! My sources.list file has the Marillat
>>> repository:
>>>
>>> deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ sarge main 
>>>
>>> Now the output from aptitude:
>> Did you run „aptitude update“ before this?
> 
> I run update periodically. However, I ran aptitude update again now, and
> I got the same result as before: Couldn't find any package whose name or
> description matched "gstreamer0.8-lame"...
> 
> are you running sarge?

No, I’m running Sid. And indeed, there seems no such package for Sarge on d-m.o,
sorry about that. The packages are here[0], maybe they still work for you.


Regards, Mathias

[0]
ftp://ftp.sunet.se/pub/os/Linux/distributions/debian-multimedia/pool/main/g/gst-plugins0.8/

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Re: soundjuicer and mp3

[Marcelo Chiapparini]

On Sun, 2006-12-31 at 16:30 +0100, Mathias Brodala wrote:
> Hello Marcelo.
> 
> Marcelo Chiapparini, 31.12.2006 16:27:
> > thank you for your answer! My sources.list file has the Marillat
> > repository:
> > 
> > deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ sarge main 
> > 
> > Now the output from aptitude:
> 
> Did you run „aptitude update“ before this?
> 
> 
> Regards, Mathias
> 

Mathias,

I run update periodically. However, I ran aptitude update again now, and
I got the same result as before: Couldn't find any package whose name or
description matched "gstreamer0.8-lame"...

are you running sarge?

regards,

Marcelo


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Re: soundjuicer and mp3

[Mathias Brodala]

Hello Marcelo.

Marcelo Chiapparini, 31.12.2006 16:27:
> thank you for your answer! My sources.list file has the Marillat
> repository:
> 
> deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ sarge main 
> 
> Now the output from aptitude:

Did you run „aptitude update“ before this?


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Re: soundjuicer and mp3

[Marcelo Chiapparini]

On Sun, 2006-12-31 at 15:34 +0100, Mathias Brodala wrote:
> Hello Marcelo.
> 
> Marcelo Chiapparini, 31.12.2006 15:29:
> > I am running sarge. How can I rip a CD into mp3 with soundjuicer? I need
> > gstreamer-lame, but I don't know how install it in sarge.
> 
> Try this:
> 
>   apt-get install gstreamer0.8-lame
> 
> After adding Marillat’s repository:
> 
>   http://debian-multimedia.org/
> 
> Just in case, this is my gstreamer pipeline:
> 
>   audio/x-raw-int,rate=44100,channels=2 ! lame name=enc vbr=0 bitrate=320 ! 
> id3v2mux
> 
> 
> Regards, Mathias
> 

Hi Mathias,

thank you for your answer! My sources.list file has the Marillat
repository:

deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ sarge main 

Now the output from aptitude:

marcelo:~$ sudo aptitude install gstreamer0.8-lame
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree
Reading extended state information
Initializing package states... Done
Reading task descriptions... Done
Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched
"gstreamer0.8-lame"
No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used.
Writing extended state information... Done
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree
Reading extended state information
Initializing package states... Done
Reading task descriptions... Done


I am afraid that gstreamer0.8-lame is not in Marillat's sarge
repository... any suggestion?

Regards

Marcelo
 

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Mapping version number to version name

[Ottavio Caruso]

Hi all, Happy New Year!

I know I can get my Debian's version number in /etc/debian_version
file.
But how I map this to its name (Sarge, Potato, Woody)?

Thank you

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GRUB problem?

[Keith Willis]

Hi,

Here's a weird one...  I've noticed that as soon as the GRUB
boot-loader runs, I lose my DVD-RW drive.  It functions normally if I
jump into the BIOS setup at boot time, then ceases to respond the
moment GRUB runs, so that even if I boot into WinXP, the drive does
not show up.  Restoring the MBR makes the problem go away, so it is
definitely not a drive problem.

I can't see anything specifically about this at the GNU GRUB home
page.  Anyone have any ideas, please?

Thx,
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Re: Clone root partition

[Alejandro]

Digby Tarvin wrote:

I did this only yesterday - but in my case I wanted a mirror
image of the entire system, not just the root partition.

The simplest most bullet proof procedure I could come up with was:
1.  dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/sda
2.  vi /etc/fstab in the copy and 1,$s/hda/sda/
3.	either 
	a. edit /boot/grub/menu.lst on the internal drive

to add a boot obtion passing the USB root to the kernel
or
b. if your host supports USB booting, update the boot sector
on sda to look for the stage 2 boot in the USB partition.

I used for first option, so am not sure if I have covered everything
required for a direct USB boot...

I booted using the USB copy and everything looked to be working fine.

Didn't use 'sync,noerror' in the dd operation because I count on having
perfect media, and if I don't I want to know about it!

Regards,
DigbyT

On Sat, Dec 30, 2006 at 05:45:34PM +, T wrote:
  
Hi, 


I'm trying to compile a comprehensive document on cloning root partitions.
My immediate goal is to clone my current working Linux to external USB HD,
so that I can use it wherever I go.

By comprehensive I mean it should not be as simple minded as

  dd if=/dev/hda2 of=/dev/sda2

or 


  cp -a / /mnt/point

or 


  tar -p -m cf - / | (cd /mnt/point; tar xf - )

I know they work, but there are so many things have been left out. By
comprehensive, I mean I want to know all relevant things that need to be
considered.

For example for dd, let alone its rigid limitation, if you use it, at least
the 'conv=sync,noerror bs=4k' options should be used: sync,noerror just
means continue and zero fill any error blocks, bs=4k just writes 4k at a
time which will speed things up a lot. For cp, at least 'cp -ax' should be
used.

But there are still much more to it. 


First, directories that don't need to copy over, like /tmp, /proc. With
modern Linux that uses udev, the /dev and /sys don't need to be copied
either. Anything else (besides distro specifics like /var/cache/apt/archives)?

2nd, the clone partition should be made bootable, by grub or lilo.

Anything else? Like the concerns of /etc/fstab...

Last, with all the above concerns, how to achieve them with various tools?

Keywords: tar rsync find cpio dd

thanks

PS. If you come across this message late, be it a week or even a month
late, please do comment, I hope this thread can be a one stop place for
people looking for concerns over cloning root partitions. 



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Dear Digby and all,

Suppose I have a production server with a /dev/sda disk and I mount a 
second disk /dev/sdb in order to clon sda to sdb (booting from a live 
cd). Sdb is the disk from a backup server (similar to the production 
server) I want to use when the production server fails.


After doing "dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=10k"...do I have to do 
something on /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst from the second drive 
when this second disk is on the backup server ?? Or nothing else to do 
in the second disk is OK to start the backup server ???



Really thanks and happy new year !!!

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Re: apache build

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

(Message reformatted for readability)

Note: Please fix your email program so it produces sensibly formatted
emails.

On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 01:20:02PM +, Andrew Critchlow wrote:
> Hi eveyone, I am in desperate need of help to understand the
> configuration when using ./configure to install apache 2.
>
Out of curiousity, why build from upstream?  Debian provides packages of
apache2 in both Sarge and Etch.

> ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/apache --enable-so
>
That is a correct configure command for apache.

> I understand what the prefix does, its the module theory.  From my
> understanding --enable-so, enable shared objects.  So correct me if

That is correct.

> i'm wrong I can now, in the httpd.conf load a module via, for
> example:LoadModule php5_module modules/libphp5.so But then there are

That is also correct.

> commands such as:--add-module=module_type:/path/to/3rdparty/mod_foo.c

That is used to statically compile a module in.

> --enable-module=shared and --enable-module=shared.  What do each of

These are the same and basically mean that the module is included as
part of the httpd source distribution and should be compile as an apache
DSO.

> these do? Why would I ever need this if I have used --enable-so ?  I

If you used --enable-so, the first command (--add-module) might be used
because you want some modules linked statically no matter what, like
SSl, for example.  The --enable-module is used to add modules, like
rewrite, proxy, auth and others.

> installed PHP using ./configure --enable-so and everything worked

Why?  Are the Debian php5 packages not sufficient?

> fine.  Also where does apxs come into it all? When I configured PHP I

The apxs command is used by programs that compile against apache to
figure out certain things about apache, like which MPM it is using,
which directories contain the headers, etc.

> used: ./configure --with-apxs2=/usr/local/apache/bin/apxs I don't
> really understand what this means? Many many thanks to anyone who can

All it does is tell PHP where to find apahce's apxs since it is not in
your path.

> help with this!
>  

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: Looking for music player software

[Philistine]

Update: moreamp 0.1.19 seems to be very capable. It includes
pitch/tempo/speed effects out of the box. Again, not yet
packaged for Debian. The UI needs some work, but moreamp is most
promising so far.


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Re: soundjuicer and mp3

[Mathias Brodala]

Hello Marcelo.

Marcelo Chiapparini, 31.12.2006 15:29:
> I am running sarge. How can I rip a CD into mp3 with soundjuicer? I need
> gstreamer-lame, but I don't know how install it in sarge.

Try this:

  apt-get install gstreamer0.8-lame

After adding Marillat’s repository:

  http://debian-multimedia.org/

Just in case, this is my gstreamer pipeline:

  audio/x-raw-int,rate=44100,channels=2 ! lame name=enc vbr=0 bitrate=320 ! 
id3v2mux


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soundjuicer and mp3

[Marcelo Chiapparini]

Dear all

I am running sarge. How can I rip a CD into mp3 with soundjuicer? I need
gstreamer-lame, but I don't know how install it in sarge. I was looking
the archives, but without success.

Thanks in advance!

Marcelo



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Re: Clone root partition

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Digby Tarvin wrote:

I did this only yesterday - but in my case I wanted a mirror
image of the entire system, not just the root partition.

The simplest most bullet proof procedure I could come up with was:
1.  dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/sda
2.  vi /etc/fstab in the copy and 1,$s/hda/sda/
3.	either 
	a. edit /boot/grub/menu.lst on the internal drive

to add a boot obtion passing the USB root to the kernel
or
b. if your host supports USB booting, update the boot sector
on sda to look for the stage 2 boot in the USB partition.



Could you expand on this piece? How do I update a boot sector on sda to 
look for the stage2 boot in the USB partition? Is this grub?


Hugo





I used for first option, so am not sure if I have covered everything
required for a direct USB boot...

I booted using the USB copy and everything looked to be working fine.

Didn't use 'sync,noerror' in the dd operation because I count on having
perfect media, and if I don't I want to know about it!

Regards,
DigbyT

On Sat, Dec 30, 2006 at 05:45:34PM +, T wrote:
Hi, 


I'm trying to compile a comprehensive document on cloning root partitions.
My immediate goal is to clone my current working Linux to external USB HD,
so that I can use it wherever I go.

By comprehensive I mean it should not be as simple minded as

  dd if=/dev/hda2 of=/dev/sda2

or 


  cp -a / /mnt/point

or 


  tar -p -m cf - / | (cd /mnt/point; tar xf - )

I know they work, but there are so many things have been left out. By
comprehensive, I mean I want to know all relevant things that need to be
considered.

For example for dd, let alone its rigid limitation, if you use it, at least
the 'conv=sync,noerror bs=4k' options should be used: sync,noerror just
means continue and zero fill any error blocks, bs=4k just writes 4k at a
time which will speed things up a lot. For cp, at least 'cp -ax' should be
used.

But there are still much more to it. 


First, directories that don't need to copy over, like /tmp, /proc. With
modern Linux that uses udev, the /dev and /sys don't need to be copied
either. Anything else (besides distro specifics like /var/cache/apt/archives)?

2nd, the clone partition should be made bootable, by grub or lilo.

Anything else? Like the concerns of /etc/fstab...

Last, with all the above concerns, how to achieve them with various tools?

Keywords: tar rsync find cpio dd

thanks

PS. If you come across this message late, be it a week or even a month
late, please do comment, I hope this thread can be a one stop place for
people looking for concerns over cloning root partitions. 



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Re: missing free space

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:

On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 03:09:34AM +0200, ccostin wrote:

For this moment I don't run any qemu instace. But is somenthing similar.
When I test an example from php5-imagick  package
(/usr/share/doc/php5-imagick/examples/resize.php)
apache2 "eat" a lot of disk space (a bug ?) from tmp
Output from lsof

COMMAND PID   USER   FD  TYPE DEVICE   SIZE   NODE 
NAME

apache2   10673   apache   11u  REG3,2 28008
0   6161 /tmp/magick-XXuayBEU (deleted)

ls /tmp/magick-XXuayBEU
ls: /tmp/magick-XXuayBEU: No such file or directory


After restarting apache2 all things get back to normal, occupied
space is released.


No.  This is not a bug.  This is exactly the behavior I was talking
about.  The temporary file is created and then immediately deleted.  So,
it still takes up blocks on the file system, but du has no way of
counting those blocks since the file is "gone", but it is in fact still
there since an open file descriptor exists to it.



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Re: Looking for music player software

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Sun, 2006-12-31 at 13:11 +, Philistine wrote:
> Thanks to Sven Arvidsson! I found the plugins SndStretch for
> xmms and Scizzor for both xmms and beep. Both are not packaged.
> They are easily compiled and at least SndStretch works fine.
> There is also a crossfade plugin for xmms in Debian. The
> drawback here is, that I'm not compatible with the UI of XMMS.
> It looks like a burlesque of a car radio, not like a normal
> program as e.g. rhythmbox.

Hi,

I know exactly what you mean. The UI of XMMS was one of the things that
made me go looking for another player, years ago.

My favourite is Rhythmbox, but it doesn't have all the features you
need. 

- Cross-fading is a work in progress. See
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=130426

- I don't know of a plugin to change pitch. But there seems to exist
GStreamer plugins for this (the backend for Rhythmbox) so presumably
this functionality could be added. Maybe you could file it as a wishlist
plugin for Rhythmbox?

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Re: installing java (for limewire)

[Robert Epprecht]

operator <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> /What was Your solution? I want to know.

sorry, if that was not clear enough from context:

I searched for a backport of sun java for Sarge (as the program
my children want to run was not happy with the free alternatives)
and installed that with dpkg:

dpkg -i sun-java5-bin_1.5.0-10-1~bpo.1_i386.deb

Depending the software already installed you might need to do (as root)

update-alternatives --config java

Robert


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Re: Looking for music player software

[Philistine]

On Sat, Dec 30, 2006 at 06:52:41PM -0800, Baz wrote:
> You're a Debian developer - and, don't know music players?  

Fortunately, it's not a requirement for DDs to know all Debian
packages. I already mentioned, that I tried six players:
alsaplayer, beep, mp3blaster, quodlibet, rhythmbox, zinf.

> Nevertheless, I like VLC...

Does VLC fulfill the requirements I mentioned? E.g. how about
the first one?

> On 12/30/06, Philistine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > - most important: changing the speed without changing the pitch

I tried VLC but cannot find the speed/pitch control.

Thanks to Sven Arvidsson! I found the plugins SndStretch for
xmms and Scizzor for both xmms and beep. Both are not packaged.
They are easily compiled and at least SndStretch works fine.
There is also a crossfade plugin for xmms in Debian. The
drawback here is, that I'm not compatible with the UI of XMMS.
It looks like a burlesque of a car radio, not like a normal
program as e.g. rhythmbox.

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apache build

[Andrew Critchlow]

Hi eveyone, I am in desperate need of help to understand the configuration when 
using ./configure to install apache 2../configure --prefix=/usr/local/apache 
--enable-soI understand what the prefix does, its the module theory.>From my 
understanding --enable-so, enable shared objects.So correct me if i'm wrong I 
can now, in the httpd.conf load a module via, for example:LoadModule 
php5_module modules/libphp5.soBut then there are commands such 
as:--add-module=module_type:/path/to/3rdparty/mod_foo.c 
--enable-module=shared&--enable-module=sharedWhat do each of these do?Why would 
I ever need this if I have used --enable-so ?I installed PHP using ./configure 
--enable-so and everything worked fine.Also where does apxs come into it 
all?When I configured PHP I used:./configure 
--with-apxs2=/usr/local/apache/bin/apxsI don't really understand what this 
means?Many many thanks to anyone who can help with this!
 
 
 
 thanks for your timeandrew.

Re: Looking for music player software

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

John Hasler wrote:

Sebastian writes:

I hold Debian developers in high regard - and, was a bit incredulous that
he wasn't aware of Debian's own offerings...


Debian has tens of thousands of packages.  


...especially such a common application group as music players.


Some of us are not interested in music players.


What!? ;-)


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Unable to Unmount Flash Drive

[Baz]

Hello -

I'm getting the following error message every time I attempt to unmount my
USB flash drive.

Error

Cannot unmount volume

The volume was probably mounted manually on the command line.

Details

Device to unmount is not in /media/.hal-mtab so it is not mounted by HAL

Contrary to the message, I didn't mount it manually on the command line.
It's been occurring now about a week.  Previously, there was no problem.  I
guess it's not a big issue just pulling it out, but I'd rather do it the
proper way.  Since it began, I've been going to Administration > Disk and
simply disabling it.

Sebastian

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Re: Looking for music player software

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Sun, 2006-12-31 at 00:27 +, Philistine wrote:
> I'm looking for a music player in Debian with some features, I
> did not yet find in the ones I tried (alsaplayer, beep,
> mp3blaster, quodlibet, rhythmbox, zinf). I did not try banshee
> ("55.2 MB of additional disk space will be used") nor amarok
> ("124MB..."). What I would like to see:
> 
> - most important: changing the speed without changing the pitch
> 
> - using a second output or sound card for "pre-listening"
> 
> - cross-fading
> 
> - search by artist/title/genre and by ranking
> 
> - nice to have: keeping track of intro/extro sequences
> 
> - UI: GTK+ or plain terminal preferred

Hi,

As you have some quite specific requirements, try looking for plugins to
add this functionality to one of the players. I believe at least xmms
and beep-media-player have lots of plugins available. 

As for using the second output or a second sound card, I think this can
be done with some ALSA trickery. 

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Re: /dev/dsp missing

[Sven Arvidsson]

On Sun, 2006-12-31 at 05:06 +0100, Benjamí Villoslada wrote:
> Right, but maybe some another programs need /dev/dsp ... such as mpg123?

mpg123 can use alsa, see the -o option.

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Re: installing java (for limewire)

[operator]

/What was Your solution? I want to know.
operator
/
Robert Epprecht wrote:

>Sven Arvidsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>  
>
>>On Thu, 2006-12-28 at 20:15 +0100, Robert Epprecht wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Now I have tried again on the *sarge* box:
>>>  
>>>
>
>  
>
>>>muz:/tmp# alien jre-1_5_0_10-linux-i586.rpm
>>>muz:/tmp# dpkg -i jre_1.5.0_10-1_i386.deb
>>>  
>>>
>
>  
>
>>That's not really a good idea. Either try to find backports of Java to
>>sarge, or use java-package to build your own version. It's not really
>>that hard.
>>
>>
>
>good advice!
>
>I had tried java-package already, but did not succeed.
>Now I have found a backport and the problem is solved :-)
>
>Thanks a lot to everybody who helped,
>Robert
>
>
>  
>

Re: update messages

[Florian Kulzer]

On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 00:17:29 +, Digby Tarvin wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 30, 2006 at 11:37:01PM +0100, Sven Arvidsson wrote:
> > > So what puzzles me is why it is no longer in 'non-free', and if
> > > it was removed because of some objection to the licensing terms,
> > > surely there should be something documenting this??
> > 
> > Are you quite sure it was in the official Debian archives? I can only
> > find it in the non-free section on debian-unofficial.org, and the
> > package name seems to match.
> > http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org/debian/pool/non-free/x/xv/
> > 
> > I also found this old bug from 2001, dealing with removing xv from the
> > archive as distribution of modified binaries is prohibited.
> > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=98215
> 
> If so then I forgot to make a note of it, but I suppose in all the
> excitement of the initial install that is possible.
> 
> Is there any way to check the origin of an deb archive in my
> /var/cache/apt/archives?

You could try

dpkg-deb --info /var/cache/apt/archives/.deb

As far as I know there is no standard field to denote the origin of a
.deb file, but maybe you will find a clue somewhere, e.g. in the
"Maintainer" field.

You could also check if you can find the .deb on snapshot.debian.net or
with a google search.

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Re: new to debian but having installation problems

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Sat, Dec 30, 2006 at 11:36:57PM -0600, Mike Myers wrote:
> On 12/30/06, Roberto C. Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >On Sat, Dec 30, 2006 at 11:20:41PM -0600, Mike Myers wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks for the prompt response!
> >>
> >> I'm using the i386 netinst.  The ethernet card is an intel 1000gigabit
> >> ethernet pro.  When I boot to the cd and go into a second terminal,
> >lspci
[...]
> 
> Anyways, I still have Gentoo on that machine, and lspci just tells me 
> that
> it's an Intel 1000Gigabit Ethernet Pro.  I'm not at the machine now to 
> copy
> it verbatim, but it uses the e1000 driver in the kernel.  The install cd 

not sure exactly which 2.6.8 kernel is in the sarge install, but I
still have 2.6.8-2 hanging around and it has the e1000 module, so
probably a 'linux26' when booting the installer would do it. if not,
then the etch install definitely will.

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