Re: laptop protection in an office network
On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 06:39:46PM -0500, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: At this point, I think that I should make a fresh installation, keeping in mind the comments which you and others have made. And configure everything from scratch again? That seems a bit extreme. Isn't it easier just to remove the software you don't want? If you have all the security updates applied, what are you worried about? -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X
Re: Another system management tool to disappear.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 08:30:58PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: [...] Installed it, suid problems: gene@coyote:~$ busybox su amanda su: must be suid to work properly gene@coyote:~$ busybox su - su: must be suid to work properly Is it still finding the system su first? No: It's telling you that it can't honour your request unless the executable has the setuid bit set. This is the magic by which all of this works, anyway. This is easy to achieve (chmod u+s /bin/busybox). BUT you should stop for a minute and think of the consequences. If busybox has a vulnerability, then anyone capable of invoking it can achieve root. Pick your poison :-) - -- t -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlXiwY4ACgkQBcgs9XrR2kaV2ACcDOWyczzXhZLvCcvw6JroncI6 6Z4An3Nt+HgAMHmRjuccBtK7Z3VLguwC =+3BQ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: laptop protection in an office network
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 09:25:23AM +0100, Joe wrote: On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 09:47:56 +0200 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 11:28:10PM +0100, Brian wrote: Its only listening on localhost. What's the problem? You're right, I missed that. Which is why I suggested nmap. When you've made absolutely sure you've read the netstat listing properly, you then need to look at the application configuration and the tcpwrappers files to see what other restrictions may be applied to connections, and then check the iptables rules to see what's there. [snip] Agreed. I wouldn't dismiss nmap -- on the contrary, it's *the* tool in a security toolbox. Use both. Each has its strengths (netstat tells you which process is behin a port, which is handy too). - -- t -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlXivv0ACgkQBcgs9XrR2kaZjACfd8Ci457e/lVIIrcXCBhQHw3A Q5wAnj2kVo4+s4vgLLtlzoFwElSk7FOR =cO5D -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: something at init is taking about 31s to finish
bri...@aracnet.com wrote: On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 04:25:36 +0200 Sven Hartge s...@svenhartge.de wrote: bri...@aracnet.com wrote: There's no way anyone can help until i can get a trace of what's going on at boot. Jessie or newer? With systemd? systemd-analyze blame 29.597s networking.service 3.256s systemd-suspend.service aha. So I need to dig deeper into networking.service networking.service is /etc/init.d/networking. Somehow the parsing and acting upon /etc/network/interfaces is slow. Please share the contents of /etc/network/interfaces, maybe something odd stands out in there. Grüße, Sven. -- Sigmentation fault. Core dumped.
Re: Fwd: Iconos genericos en thunar, ahora que veo la red
Sí has roto sí, pero nada grave. Lo único que tendrás que tener en cuenta es que verás un icono de red para los archivos del tipo MIME alterados, vamos, que has solucionado una cosa pero has roto otra :-P En testing y sid ya está aplicado. Si, eso lo tenia claro, el nombre del icono ya te dice que se usa para otra cosa. Pero si el problema es de thunar que apunta a ese icono, nada que hacer, porque de momento quiero probar la distro según está en estable, por lo que no voy a ponerle los repositorios ni de testing ni de sid. Ahora tengo otros problemas raros de narices.. asi que esto ya lo doy por solucionado jeje... En mi siguiente mensaje veréis que me pasa...
Re: Drivers Nvidia (GTX 9X0)- Consejos, recomendaciones o experiencias.
El Sat, 29 Aug 2015 16:10:56 -0430, José Maldonado escribió: nouevau carece de un buen control de reloj y de muchas caracteristicas de energía, entre otras caracteristicas avanzadas. Además muchas caracteristicas de OpenGL estan incompletas o tienen un rendimiento muy inferior usando nouevau/mesa. Exacto. Además, no hay más que mirar la tabla¹ de las características que se han implementado en los chipsets y para NV110 (tarjetas GTX 960) ni siquiera las funcionalidades 2D básicas están terminadas. [ironic]Si a mi tambien me parece [/ironic] Sí ¿verdad? Por eso, a los que hablan por hablar y a los trolls que abundan en la lista los tengo bloqueados ;-) Tengo gráficas nvidia en todos mis equipos y ATI (integradas) en los servidores. Uso el driver nouveau en algunos y en otros tengo los de nvidia, no le tengo ascos ni a uno ni a otro pero para las gráficas nuevas suele ser mejor tirar de los drivers propietarios porque lleva su tiempo añadir todas las funcionalidades en el driver libre. Entiendo el punto, pero mucha gente no está para eso, y creo que el amigo es uno de esos a los que le interesa que solo funcione y ya :) No sólo eso, es que en este caso en concreto usar el libre resulta inviable salvo que se trabaje en una tty y no creo que nadie se compre una GTX 960 para trabajar en línea de comandos. ¹http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix/ Saludos, -- Camaleón
Re: How to disable certain keys
On 30/08/2015, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 16/08/2015, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 16/08/2015, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 16/08/2015, to...@tuxteam.de to...@tuxteam.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 12:04:17PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: On 15/08/2015, Carl Johnson ca...@peak.org wrote: Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com writes: [...] That same right-click menu has an option to save the settings to a .xmodmap file and shows how to include that file on start. [...] Okay; whilst the option to save the settings to the .xmodmap file, is not explicit, and I had to guess it (something like Write settings from memory), in the response to doing that, it returns a dialgue box that states You should modify your login script to include a line like How do I modify the login script? I do not know the file name or path, for the login script. That depends a bit on what shell you are using and on your other general setup. Typically, if your shell is bash, this file will be called .bash_login (note the dot at the start o the name), and will live in your home directory. How does the line you are supposed to include look? Hello. Unfortunately, like with many other message boxes/dialogue boxes, copying and pasting, is not possible. In the particular message box, is Wrote output to the file /home/bret/.xmodmap-bret-Aspire-V3-772-UbuntuMATE-1504 You should modify your login script to include a line like xmodmap ~/.xmodmap-`uname-n` (those are backquotes.) OK bret@bret-Aspire-V3-772-UbuntuMATE-1504:~$ cat .bash_login cat: .bash_login: No such file or directory bret@bret-Aspire-V3-772-UbuntuMATE-1504:~$ sudo cat /home/bret/.bask_login sudo: unable to resolve host bret-Aspire-V3-772-UbuntuMATE-1504 [sudo] password for bret: cat: /home/bret/.bask_login: No such file or directory bret@bret-Aspire-V3-772-UbuntuMATE-1504:~$ sudo cat /home/bret/.bash_login sudo: unable to resolve host bret-Aspire-V3-772-UbuntuMATE-1504 cat: /home/bret/.bash_login: No such file or directory bret@bret-Aspire-V3-772-UbuntuMATE-1504:~$ So, it occurred to me, to do an ls on .* and I got (apart from the .directory name directories), bret@bret-Aspire-V3-772-UbuntuMATE-1504:~$ ls .* .bash_history .bashrc .ICEauthority .profile .Xauthority .xmodmap-bret-Aspire-V3-772-UbuntuMATE-1504 .xsession-errors.old .bash_logout .dmrc.pam_environment .sudo_as_admin_successful .xinputrc.xsession-errors So, in running cat .profile, I got bret@bret-Aspire-V3-772-UbuntuMATE-1504:~$ cat .profile # ~/.profile: executed by the command interpreter for login shells. # This file is not read by bash(1), if ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bash_login # exists. # see /usr/share/doc/bash/examples/startup-files for examples. # the files are located in the bash-doc package. # the default umask is set in /etc/profile; for setting the umask # for ssh logins, install and configure the libpam-umask package. #umask 022 # if running bash if [ -n $BASH_VERSION ]; then # include .bashrc if it exists if [ -f $HOME/.bashrc ]; then . $HOME/.bashrc fi fi # set PATH so it includes user's private bin if it exists if [ -d $HOME/bin ] ; then PATH=$HOME/bin:$PATH fi bret@bret-Aspire-V3-772-UbuntuMATE-1504:~$ So, I asume that this is the applicable file, in the absence of the two named .bash* files. So, after editing that file, I now have bret@bret-Aspire-V3-772-UbuntuMATE-1504:~$ cat .profile # ~/.profile: executed by the command interpreter for login shells. # This file is not read by bash(1), if ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bash_login # exists. # see /usr/share/doc/bash/examples/startup-files for examples. # the files are located in the bash-doc package. # the default umask is set in /etc/profile; for setting the umask # for ssh logins, install and configure the libpam-umask package. #umask 022 # if running bash if [ -n $BASH_VERSION ]; then # include .bashrc if it exists if [ -f $HOME/.bashrc ]; then . $HOME/.bashrc fi fi # set PATH so it includes user's private bin if it exists if [ -d $HOME/bin ] ; then PATH=$HOME/bin:$PATH fi # attempt to invoke .xmodmap upon login xmodmap ~/.xmodmap-`uname-n` bret@bret-Aspire-V3-772-UbuntuMATE-1504:~$ Which I will test, the next time that I reboot (which probably will not be for a few hours). Unfortunately, this path of action, has turned out to be quite harmful. At first, it took away my End key functionality, and now I have lost the functionality of the cursor control keys, and so have to disable the numberic keypad, in order to access cursor control positioning. I have tried to restore the default settings, to no avail. And the Page Up and Page Down keys, and the Home key, have also stopped working. It is a bit like Langoliers or Pacman, eating the keyboard
Re: laptop protection in an office network
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 11:28:10PM +0100, Brian wrote: On Sat 29 Aug 2015 at 22:56:50 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 01:25:28PM -0500, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: [...] tcp 0 00.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* LIS 568/sshd Common wisdom is to keep that (but to secure it properly [...] [...] Common wisdom or old-wives tales? He probably has no need for it. Purge. Count me als old-wive then. I know I've used that a couple of times to diagnose things. To each one to decide (put another way: no need to take with you the circular saw every time if you know you'll never use it :) tcp 0 0127.0.0.1:631 0.0.0.0:* LIS 1248/cupsd Are you using your laptop as a print server? If not, the cups-client package might be enough. Its only listening on localhost. What's the problem? You're right, I missed that. cups-client alone is insufficient to print to a printer attached to the machine. that's correct. I assumed that the printer isn't attached to the laptop, but that there are printer services around (I'm using lprng anyway). tcp 0 0127.0.0.1:5432 0.0.0.0:* LIS 675/postgres tcp 0 0127.0.0.1:250.0.0.0:* LIS 1063/exim4 Database server, mail server. What are they doing? For postgres, you could configure it to just serve over an UNIX domain socket, if the only applications around connect locally. Your call. For exim4 (mail server)... depends on your mail setup. Both are only listening on localhost. Perfectly safe. Correct. My fault. See above tcp 0 0127.0.0.1:2628 0.0.0.0:* LIS 599/0 Uh -- what is *this*? A process called 0? Looks really strange to me. tcp6 0 0:::111 :::* LIS 530/rpcbind tcp6 0 0:::38930:::* LIS 540/rpc.statd tcp6 0 0:::22 :::* LIS 568/sshd tcp6 0 0::1:631 :::* LIS 1248/cupsd tcp6 0 0::1:5432:::* LIS 675/postgres tcp6 0 0::1:25 :::* LIS 1063/exim4 Those are IPV6 variants of some of the above. udp 0 00.0.0.0:36358 0.0.0.0:* 612/avahi-daemon:r Avahi: this is a service discovery service: your laptop is broadcasting to the network hey, here's a [printer, database, whatnot]. Wanna play with me? That's one of the things I ban from my computer. Broadcating is one thing. Allowing access to a service is another. Broadcasting is inviting :-) udp 0 00.0.0.0:631 0.0.0.0:* 647/cups-browsed Here cups is announcing its availability. Down with it :-) CUPS isn't doing anything. Have another go. :) This is 631/udp, aka CUPS browsing and polling: it's a discovery protocol (any printers around? oh, yes, here's one). So it's doing something. And sometimes, it has even holes: http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2014/04/01/4 I'd say down with his head. Leave 631/tcp (that's for printing) if you use a local printer, but leave it restricted to localhost (as done by default above). regards - -- tomás -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlXitSwACgkQBcgs9XrR2kbH1wCfZ8A587OGnbBSTvzv+Tdncvma wOQAn0vuYGxLn6l82Y6FqU55iqHqQeKE =ZHCq -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: laptop protection in an office network
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 06:39:46PM -0500, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: On Sat, August 29, 2015 3:56 pm, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: tcp 0 00.0.0.0:0.0.0.0:* LIS 561/inetd As others noted: what's inetd doing on ? Do have a look at its config files (somewhere in /etc/inetd.conf). As I noted previously, port is the approx server; there is a line for it in /etc/inetd.conf: #:OTHER: Other services stream tcp nowait approx /usr/sbin/approx /usr/sbin/approx Sorry, missed that. You might consider binding the listening socket to 127.0.0.1 unless you want to provide the service network-wide. tcp 0 00.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* LIS 568/sshd Common wisdom is to keep that (but to secure it properly, by disabling root logins and possibly passwrd logins). Perhaps you can ssh into your laptop should the UI become unresponsive for some reason (e.g. X botches the graphics card but you still have some running programs you'd want to finalize in an orderly mode). On the desktop, I do use screen over ssh to access another desktop, but I can do without ssh access to the laptop. Your call :-) tcp 0 0127.0.0.1:631 0.0.0.0:* LIS 1248/cupsd Are you using your laptop as a print server? If not, the cups-client package might be enough. Then should I unistall the cups-daemon and cups-server-common packages? See the other discussion. The cups server is bound to localhost (a fact I overlooked on my first mail, as pointed out by Brian), and thus not reachable from the network: thus most probably harmless; it would serve locally-attached printers (for example, an USB-attached printer) to local clients. In such a configuration, you'd need it. tcp 0 0127.0.0.1:5432 0.0.0.0:* LIS 675/postgres tcp 0 0127.0.0.1:250.0.0.0:* LIS 1063/exim4 Database server, mail server. What are they doing? For postgres, you could configure it to just serve over an UNIX domain socket, if the only applications around connect locally. Your call. For exim4 (mail server)... depends on your mail setup. I thought that I had left mail unconfigured, but perhaps not. As far as I know Debian itself needs a minimal working mail infrastructure, so that might be just part of this. Locally-bound, thus harmless, as above. tcp 0 0127.0.0.1:2628 0.0.0.0:* LIS 599/0 Uh -- what is *this*? A process called 0? Looks really strange to me. 2628 turns out to be the port for the dictionary server; I am using localhost as the server. Also locally bound. No. I simply was trying to make the laptop synchronize its clock whenever it connects to the Internet. It appears that the package ntpdate is adequate for a laptop, and that is the package I should have installed; but I installed package ntp, which obviates the need for ntpdate. Hm. The real NTPD has quite a few advantages over plain ntpdate (among other things it calibrates the local clock, thus minimizing skew even when there's no connectivity). Perhaps there's a way to configure it so that it doesn't provide a service, which in the case of a laptop wouldn't make any sense. But I don't know whether ntpd configuration allows that (you can set it to pretty restrictive, though). I'd disable/uninstall many of those [...] At this point, I think that I should make a fresh installation, keeping in mind the comments which you and others have made. Dunno. We went with a very fine comb over things. It's always a balance between convenience/feasibility and security. You're not at the NSA, trying to whistle-blow, after all (use TAILS for that, and some help from trusted friends). If you reduce the lists by a bit, you'll end up with a manageable set of things you could try to uninstall (and see what'd go down with it: I don't know how much of GNOME is torn down these days if you take down Avahi, just for one example). The most interesting part here is the process. What makes you secure is some awareness of what's in your box and what it's doing there. Regards - -- t -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlXivlIACgkQBcgs9XrR2kYH9wCcD0SPPe28IgErxWnWChP5Tz0e shoAnRivub03uj1II+o+yK1RjKQDY3xi =PVEJ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: laptop protection in an office network
On Sun, August 30, 2015 3:26 am, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: ... We went with a very fine comb over things. It's always a balance between convenience/feasibility and security. You're not at the NSA, trying to whistle-blow, after all (use TAILS for that, and some help from trusted friends). If you reduce the lists by a bit, you'll end up with a manageable set of things you could try to uninstall (and see what'd go down with it: I don't know how much of GNOME is torn down these days if you take down Avahi, just for one example). The most interesting part here is the process. What makes you secure is some awareness of what's in your box and what it's doing there. This has been an interesting experience for me, and I am grateful to you and to all who have entered into the discussion. I am going to print out all these messages and read them again, and save them for reference. This interaction has given me a better understanding of the issues than I would have gotten from reading a book on how to secure a machine. My best regards to all, Russell Harris
Re: Drivers Nvidia (GTX 9X0)- Consejos, recomendaciones o experiencias.
El 30/08/2015 a las 05:26, Camaleón escibió: El Sat, 29 Aug 2015 16:10:56 -0430, José Maldonado escribió: nouevau carece de un buen control de reloj y de muchas caracteristicas de energía, entre otras caracteristicas avanzadas. Además muchas caracteristicas de OpenGL estan incompletas o tienen un rendimiento muy inferior usando nouevau/mesa. Exacto. Además, no hay más que mirar la tabla¹ de las características que se han implementado en los chipsets y para NV110 (tarjetas GTX 960) ni siquiera las funcionalidades 2D básicas están terminadas. [ironic]Si a mi tambien me parece [/ironic] Sí ¿verdad? Por eso, a los que hablan por hablar y a los trolls que abundan en la lista los tengo bloqueados ;-) Tengo gráficas nvidia en todos mis equipos y ATI (integradas) en los servidores. Uso el driver nouveau en algunos y en otros tengo los de nvidia, no le tengo ascos ni a uno ni a otro pero para las gráficas nuevas suele ser mejor tirar de los drivers propietarios porque lleva su tiempo añadir todas las funcionalidades en el driver libre. Entiendo el punto, pero mucha gente no está para eso, y creo que el amigo es uno de esos a los que le interesa que solo funcione y ya :) No sólo eso, es que en este caso en concreto usar el libre resulta inviable salvo que se trabaje en una tty y no creo que nadie se compre una GTX 960 para trabajar en línea de comandos. ¹http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix/ Saludos, Correcto, don José, al momento lo que ocupo es utilidad máxima y principalmente para entretenimiento, no estoy actualmente dando parte en cacería de bugs para Noveau. Así es, Camaleón, el hecho de usar los privativos da mucha ventaja en cuanto al tema de rendimiento en juegos, vídeos y todo lo relacionado a aceleración gráfica. ¡Gracias a ambos por responder! :-)
Re: laptop protection in an office network
On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 09:47:56 +0200 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 11:28:10PM +0100, Brian wrote: Its only listening on localhost. What's the problem? You're right, I missed that. Which is why I suggested nmap. When you've made absolutely sure you've read the netstat listing properly, you then need to look at the application configuration and the tcpwrappers files to see what other restrictions may be applied to connections, and then check the iptables rules to see what's there. It's simpler just to poke it with nmap from a potentially hostile machine, and see if it growls. If you're seriously securing a machine, then yes, you do all those things, and you use the tools to provide at least two methods of protection (if you get one wrong, or there's a bug, it's not a disaster). And it's still worth a portscan then to see if you've made any serious errors, preferably with each of your single methods in turn turned off. If you're just looking to see if your machine can survive a short dip in what is not explicitly known to be a hostile environment, particularly in one which would not expect to see a Linux machine, then I'd say an nmap scan is enough. -- Joe
Re: Another system management tool to disappear.
2015-08-29 13:35 GMT+02:00 Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com: On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 12:25 AM, claude juif claude.j...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, 2015-08-28 17:16 GMT+02:00 Renaud OLGIATI ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org: Systemd-Linux to get rid of su: https://tlhp.cf/lennart-poettering-su/ Is this a trend to make _all_ the GNU-Linux tools disappear, and have _everything_ incorporated into systemd ? Troll mode: ON What he explains in the blogpost you link make sense. So let's give it a try ;) So, do you mean to say that, when you say the blog post linked to makes sense, you are intending to be trolling? No sorry it was exactly the opposite. I was afraid about a new troll around systemd. -- Joel Rees Be careful when you look at conspiracy. Arm yourself with knowledge of yourself, as well: http://reiisi.blogspot.jp/2011/10/conspiracy-theories.html
Re: Another system management tool to disappear.
On Sunday 30 August 2015 04:47:10 Reco wrote: Hi. On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 20:30:58 -0400 Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: On Saturday 29 August 2015 10:39:07 Reco wrote: Hi. On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 09:49:55 -0400 Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: If su goes away, IMNSHO, it will be such a PITA that it will encourage far more people to just give up and run their machines as root full time. And I don't believe for a millisecond that is the effect intended. They provide some systemd-specific kludge instead of su. So it's not that bad. I don't recall recognizing that being discussed yet. Please read the bugreport. It's all there. https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/825 And, given the current systemd adoption rate in Debian, I'd say that we, stable users, have 3-4 years before that machinectl login thing will be available to us. So, if su goes away, how do I accomplish those tasks in a suitable manner that will not bore a hole in the user sandbox? If it comes to this (i.e 'su' will go away) - I just use busybox (which has perfectly working implementation of su without the fancy bits). I.e. busybox su - Command not found. Wheezy 32 bit install. Obviously for this command to work it's required to install busybox. I'd recommend busybox-static package. Reco Installed it, suid problems: gene@coyote:~$ busybox su amanda su: must be suid to work properly gene@coyote:~$ busybox su - su: must be suid to work properly Is it still finding the system su first? No. The 'problem' is exactly what it tolds. Meaning: 1) Original su is suid root-owned binary: $ ls -la /bin/su -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 40168 Nov 21 2014 /bin/su 2) Busybox, on the other hand - is not: $ ls -la /bin/busybox -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1837008 Feb 19 2015 /bin/busybox So, *root*-invoked busybox su should behave exactly like original su. Everyone other than root are told to get lost. Note that: 1) Setting suid bit on busybox is *extremely* bad idea. Don't do it ever do it (as busybox provides *much* more than su). 2) Your way of using su you've described should not be affected by this little inconvinience as you become root first, and do su second. Reco So to me, nothing changes. Thats good IMO. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene
Re: How to disable certain keys
Quoting Bret Busby (bret.bu...@gmail.com): xmodmap ~/.xmodmap-`uname-n` bret@bret-Aspire-V3-772-UbuntuMATE-1504:~$ That's quite a hostname! Which I will test, the next time that I reboot (which probably will not be for a few hours). Unfortunately, this path of action, has turned out to be quite harmful. At first, it took away my End key functionality, and now I have lost the functionality of the cursor control keys, and so have to disable the numberic keypad, in order to access cursor control positioning. I have tried to restore the default settings, to no avail. And the Page Up and Page Down keys, and the Home key, have also stopped working. It is a bit like Langoliers or Pacman, eating the keyboard functionality. I've no idea what you've put into .xmodmap but I think that's quite a blunt instrument to be using. As you're obviously only concerned with X, I'd have thought that the potted recipes at the end of /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/base.lst would be sufficient, and these can be set from XKBOPTIONS in /etc/default/keyboard. Cheers, David.
Re: Som no debian
Ja verifiquei todas as configuraçoes. Está tudo ok. Não sei mais o que fazer. Em 30 de agosto de 2015 14:04, Albino B Neto tuxb...@gmail.com escreveu: Verificou a configuração do KDE ? Desculpe a brevidade, dispositivo móvel. www.bino.us Em 30/08/2015 09:20, Juscelino Cordeiro jfilho...@gmail.com escreveu: Tb to com esse msm problema. Antes ficava toda hora mudando pro volume maximo. Aperta alt+ f2 e digita kmix q ele volta mas acho q depois de um tempo ta sumindo novamente. Enviado do meu iPhone Em 29/08/2015, às 20:58, Manoel Pedro de Araújo mpara...@gmail.com escreveu: Olá, estou com um problema de som no debian. Quando eu ligo o som de inicialização do KDE nao aparece, mas o som nas nas multimidia estão normalmente. Alguem sabe resolver este problema? -- Manoel -- Manoel
Re: Too many system names
Gary Roach: OK: With ServerName set to supercrunch and doing a systemctl reload and then systemctl -l status, I get the following message (In part) Aug 25 23:41:53 supercrunch apache2[662]: Starting web server: apache2AH00557: apache2: apr_sockaddr_info_get() failed for supercrunch That may be related to a line like 'Listen supercrunch:80 or maybe VirtualHost supercrunch:80. If your system cannot resolve that name, Apache doesn't know what to do with it. Please note that a ServerName supercrunch should not lead to that problem since in this case supercrunch is just a string that Apache expects in the Host header of requests. Technically, I don't think it has to be a valid DNS name on the server. With this set up, I tried to run supercrunch/redmine, localhost/redmine, 127.0.0.1/redmine. None worked. Please, describe what None worked exactly means and what you find in the VirtualHost-specific log files I proposed to set up J. -- I'm being paid to act weirdly. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: apt-cacher-ng not expiring any more
Quoting Eduard Bloch (e...@gmx.de): * David Wright [Tue, Aug 25 2015, 11:00:41AM]: Running apt-cacher-ng on wheezy (with wheezy-backports), some missing files in the repository are making the expiration step fail. Here are the relevant lines from the log: Checking/Updating debrep/dists/jessie-backports/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2... 404 Not Found ... There is a newer BPO version where this problem should be fixed. Thanks. I hadn't realised this because I wasn't using wheezy-backports-sloppy as well as wheezy-backports itself. [Re missing .bz2 files] They were removed from mirrors because, well, they are not necessary and Jessie can work with .xz versions. That's fine. I realised the .xz ones were probably newer because they were the ones that the pure wheezy version couldn't parse. Cheers, David.
Re: Configure Postfix *as* a smart host?
On Sun, 30 Aug 2015, David Wright wrote: Did you type the ^] ? But the ball's in your court—say hello. Type: ehlo summat I get: ehlo debian 250-boris.fuzzywuzzy.com 250-PIPELINING 250-SIZE 2048 250-VRFY 250-ETRN 250-STARTTLS 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES 250-8BITMIME 250 DSN Hmmm...I did not expect to see that STARTTLS in there... -- IMPORTANT: This email is intended for the use of the individual addressee(s) named above and may contain information that is confidential, privileged or unsuitable for overly sensitive persons with low self-esteem, no sense of humour or irrational metaphysical beliefs.
Re: Configure Postfix *as* a smart host?
Quoting Bob Bernstein (poo...@ruptured-duck.com): On Sun, 30 Aug 2015, David Wright wrote: Did you type the ^] ? But the ball's in your court—say hello. Type: ehlo summat I get: ehlo debian 250-boris.fuzzywuzzy.com 250-PIPELINING 250-SIZE 2048 250-VRFY 250-ETRN 250-STARTTLS 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES 250-8BITMIME 250 DSN Hmmm...I did not expect to see that STARTTLS in there... Take a look at https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/07/msg00526.html where there's a fully worked example (with a gloss on it elsewhere in the thread). Cheers, David.
Re: Another system management tool to disappear.
On 08/30/2015 05:00 PM, Andrew McGlashan wrote: On 29/08/2015 8:49 AM, T.J. Duchene wrote: snip rubbish Really? Just because you disagree with somebody, their opinion is rubbish? Read Lennart's own blog, you'll see that he is in the business of making Linux his own; thus my coined phrase Lennart's Linux. It's really sad to see that so many people assume bad faith on the other side of an argument, just because you disagree with them. It's also quite patronizing to those of us who don't share your extreme dislike of systemd, because if you think about it: what you are in fact impliying is that all who are not opposed to it have given up our free will to a single upstream developer. Do you really want to go so far and say that? And ANYONE whom speaks against systemd is, quite simply, just like one who utters the name Voldermort in the Harry Potter story. Both are just as evil, but one is purely fictional. Again with the rhetoric... As I said elsewhere in this thread to somebody else: it's fine not to like systemd, it's fine not to like that Debian made it the default init system, it's fine not to want to use Debian anymore because of that, it's fine to express that opinion here. But seriously, comparing a free software project to a mass-murderer, even a fictional one? Not OK. (And it doesn't help at all if you are even remotely interested in convincing people.) Also, seriously, the other part of the analogy? Do you want me to remind you what actually happened in the story? The part about people being utterly terrified for their lives? The part about people who uttered that name and were caught were physically (!) tortured? Put in prison? That their families were threatened, sometimes also tortured and even murdered? When has something even remotely comparable happened to somebody opposed to systemd? The worst that has happened was that people got banned from discussion platforms because of abusive behavior. Nobody opposed to systemd was ever physically threatened because of their opinion. On the contrary: Lennart has received threats to his own life and well-being because of his work on systemd (and to a presumably lesser extent also for his work on PulseAudio). I've seen cases where people working on systemd upstream were very opinionated and headstrong, even slightly abrasive and dismissive at times. But I've NEVER seen them stoop to the level of rhetoric that I've seen in this thread (and others) by opponents of the project - and given that you aren't threatening anybody, your behavior is very far from the worst that I've seen coming from those opposed to systemd. From that perspective, your analogy reeks of irony. Christian signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Configure Postfix *as* a smart host?
On 30/08/2015 00:13, Bob Bernstein wrote: I have an instance of Wheezy running on a VPS (for years) and only now have decided I want to take advantage of the possibility of using it as a smarthost for my home machines, instead of what my cable company makes available, which I confess works just fine. For example, I have a Jessie system here at home running Alpine, which is very flexible in how one may specify an SMTP host. Of course, I don't need authentication (or the submit port) to use my cable company's smarthost. But when I point alpine at my VPS for smtp services (as it were) it tells me that authentication is not offered, this despite my following to the letter (or so I thought) the directions for setting up SASL on Postfix. I have cleared the way for port 587 both ways on both the VPS and on my home router. Here's what happens (with phonied-up data): $ telnet boris.fuzzywuzzy.com 587 Trying 12.34.123.123... Connected to boris.fuzzywuzzy.com. Escape character is '^]'. 220 boris.fuzzywuzzy.com ESMTP Postfix (Debian/GNU) ^] Did you type the ^] ? But the ball's in your court—say hello. Type: ehlo summat where summat is the hostname you're on. You should see some 250 replies. Cheers, David.
Re: Adapter Names on Stretch [OT]
Quoting Gene Heskett (ghesk...@wdtv.com): You may well be correct, but to my grandfather they were loaned. I do know that when they left, each was equipt with a good sturdy tag/label bareing the owners name address, well sealed against the elements. I would suspect that the possibility of a little history rewriting may have been done over the last 70 years to lesson the language from loan to gift. Recall as always, that the history of a war is written by the winners. That's difficult to do with contemporary newspaper appeals: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=861dat=19401112id=vDFSIBAJsjid=EjYNIBAJpg=3629,1766022hl=en https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1314dat=19401208id=mChWIBAJsjid=CuQDIBAJpg=6924,2616059hl=en (The latter pops up one column to the right of the story's start.) Cheers, David.
Re: laptop protection in an office network
On Sun 30 Aug 2015 at 04:00:07 -0500, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: On Sun, August 30, 2015 3:26 am, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: ... We went with a very fine comb over things. It's always a balance between convenience/feasibility and security. You're not at the NSA, trying to whistle-blow, after all (use TAILS for that, and some help from trusted friends). If you reduce the lists by a bit, you'll end up with a manageable set of things you could try to uninstall (and see what'd go down with it: I don't know how much of GNOME is torn down these days if you take down Avahi, just for one example). The most interesting part here is the process. What makes you secure is some awareness of what's in your box and what it's doing there. This has been an interesting experience for me, and I am grateful to you and to all who have entered into the discussion. I am going to print out all these messages and read them again, and save them for reference. This interaction has given me a better understanding of the issues than I would have gotten from reading a book on how to secure a machine. It's already been said, but, although its up to you, there really is no need for a reinstall. You should also appreciate that (AFAIK) all services installed on Debian are installed in a secure default state. Altering that state can degrade security but you take responsibility for that. The bottom line is that services are good. You can do what tomas advises and become aware of what they do. On the other hand you can install them and let them get on with the job they are configured to do in the default state and not bother your head about them. In that state you can be assured of the safeness of your machine.
Re: laptop protection in an office network
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 11:00:51PM +0100, Brian wrote: [...] None of these. Bonjour plays a central role in printing over a network. Discarding it as a very useful tool isn't very helpful. It aids in printer discovery. If your configuration is somewhat static, it's totally superfluous. In a highly dynamic environment it's convenient. I know for sure: my printing runs perfectly fine without Avahi (and without CUPS, at that). I've just two printers I've to talk to, work and home. Once they are configured, LPRNG does the rest. Pick your tools. Know why. - -- t -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlXisWYACgkQBcgs9XrR2kZVhwCggUEl80cZRBpY9UHhQwlMRnld wiEAniy1AV7ewsH2Ho33oM3GobIvQQBA =2X1C -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [OT] Re: llista de correu, trobades a Catalunya
Subscric el què diu l'Eloi sobre fixar data i lloc. El 29/08/15 a les 21:59, Eloi ha escrit: El 26/08/15 a les 11:05, Aniol Martí ha escrit: Bon dia, Aquests dies concideixen amb el Saló del Manga, no sé si això pot fer que vingui menys gent, almenys jo no podria venir :'(. Salut! Enviat des del mòbil. Això depèn de les preferències de cadascú. Jo no he anat mai al Saló del Manga, tot i haver estat convidat per tres persones diferents i en repetides ocasions, precisament perquè coincidia amb les fires i festes de Sant Narcís. I és que si se'm deixa a triar entre disfressar-me de Son Goku o cantar el Girona m'enamora a les escales de la catedral, l'elecció és més que clara :-) El cas és que sigui qui sigui el cap de setmana que s'escolleixi, hi haurà algun altre acte interessant en un altre punt de Catalunya que algú preferirà abans de venir a aquesta trobada. Jo fixaria una data i només la canviaria en cas que hi hagués un nombre significatiu de persones a qui no li anés bé. Si algú no pot anar a una, mala sort i ja vindrà a la propera; si esperem una data que vagi bé a tothom, no farem mai cap trobada. Ho dic per experiència.
Re: Fwd: Iconos genericos en thunar, ahora que veo la red
El Sun, 30 Aug 2015 12:19:35 +0200, Jose Antonio escribió: Sí has roto sí, pero nada grave. Lo único que tendrás que tener en cuenta es que verás un icono de red para los archivos del tipo MIME alterados, vamos, que has solucionado una cosa pero has roto otra :-P En testing y sid ya está aplicado. Si, eso lo tenia claro, el nombre del icono ya te dice que se usa para otra cosa. Pero si el problema es de thunar que apunta a ese icono, nada que hacer, porque de momento quiero probar la distro según está en estable, por lo que no voy a ponerle los repositorios ni de testing ni de sid. Concuerdo en que sería una locura tener que usar testing o sid sólo por eso, simplemente me pareció relevante el dato por si a alguien más le interesaba ;-) En cuanto a los iconos, puedes dejar el estándar (blanquito) o mantener el cambio que has hecho, no va a afectar en nada a la instalación ni al sistema. Tampoco es un icono que se suela ver a menudo (digo, el genérico para los tipo MIME application-octet-stream) y si estás accediendo a los recursos de red a menudo pues tener el icono adecuado te alegra la vista. Saludos, -- Camaleón
Re: laptop protection in an office network
On Sun 30 Aug 2015 at 18:28:14 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 03:07:44PM +0100, Brian wrote: On Sun 30 Aug 2015 at 09:31:50 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: I know for sure: my printing runs perfectly fine without Avahi [...] This is a static configuration equivalent to the CUPS one outlined above. It has the same drawbacks. There is no reason why either setup shouldn't produce a satisfactory printing experience. I believe LPRNG cannot do service discovery so a roaming user may have the trouble of needing to get a server name for every new situation. Correct. LPRNG doesn't service discovery. I do that discovery (e.g. I walk in the office to the copier-printer and look at the label slapped on it where its IP is printed on). I gladly do that discovery. That's fine and a helpful technique. But it isn't the norm in all offices and if there is no one knowledgeable about... Pick your tools. Know why. Indeed; but banning one of them reduces the possibilities of effortless printing. Banning is a loaded word. I choose simplicity (and am ready to pay some price for it). I don't tell others to do likewise, I just offer help in making a choice. I can only ban it from my computer. Apologies. I did not mean to imply you were all for the eradication of service discovery on everyone's computer and did understand you had made a choice for yourself only. I look like a Bonjour advocate but in a similar way to you I have no wish to enforce its use. However, there is a more mobile aspect to computing today and it cannot be ignored when it comes to printing. Picture a cosy suburban house in England. Daughter Number 1 returns with a friend after a good day at the school's sports day. A simple job turns into a saga. Daughter Number 1: Hey Dad, Freya has a brilliant photo on her mobile of me winning the 200 metre race. Can we print it out? Dad (Dropping into technical expert mode): The IP of the server is Daughter Number 1: How does she put it into her phone? Dad (flummoxed): I don't know. She probably can't. That's the problem with new technology. Daughter Number 1: Please Dad, I want to show the photo to my friends. Dad (Back in technical expert mode): Have her email it to me. I'll process and print it. Daughter Number 1: Freya has used up her WiFi allowance. Can't we just send it to your computer. Dad: No. I'll not have service discovery in this house. And I've no lead for the phone and would have to install special software anyway. Daughter Number 1: Daad! - - - - [1] A case in point: at home we have a postscript network printer. For one file, my SO's computer (a fresh Debian installation, with all the Mate and Cups goodnes isn't able to print one specific PDF. My box, with LPRNG and apsfilter does print it. The CUPS log files say that yes, everything is fine. I've the hunch that the printer's Postscript implementation is crappy, and the CUPS variant is sending some Postscript Level 2 the printer can't digest (it prints an error message instead of the wanted document, so it seems to be the interpreter in the printer freaking out). With LPRNG/apsfilter, I'd be able to debug the thing. With all this CUPS mess, I don't even know where to start. Ick. I've had similar. It's nothing to do with CUPS. cups-filters is the resposible agent and changing the renderer can help.
Re: Another system management tool to disappear.
On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 13:56:18 -0500 T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote: If you really have a problem with systemd's design, why don't you take the source, fix it and submit the patch? Sadly, considering the effort that has been spent (wasted ?) developing systemd, the only fix would be to avoid adopting it, or later to get rid of it completely Cheers, Ron. -- Luck, that's when preparation and opportunity meet. -- P.E. Trudeau -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --
Re: Another system management tool to disappear.
On 2015-08-30 at 15:08, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 13:56:18 -0500 T.J. Duchene t.j.duch...@gmail.com wrote: If you really have a problem with systemd's design, why don't you take the source, fix it and submit the patch? Sadly, considering the effort that has been spent (wasted ?) developing systemd, the only fix would be to avoid adopting it, or later to get rid of it completely Not to mention that some of the changes which would be necessary to fix some parts of the design have already been pre-rejected by upstream; they've specifically and explicitly stated that patches to remove the interdependencies among the various components will not be accepted. I don't have a link handy for that, but I could dig one up if it were really necessary. I don't particularly want to dive as deeply into the systemd discussion environment as that would require, though. Plus, at least to all appearances, some of the problems with the design can pretty much only be fixed by removing features and functionality. The systemd developers seem to think that those features and that functionality are worth the cost, so of course they aren't going to accept patches to remove those things. Short of that, my own first step in trying to fix systemd would probably be to disambiguate the names, so that we don't refer to the binary which gets executed as PID1 _and_ the collection of other binaries which orbits that binary _and_ the project which develops all of these binaries by one single undistinguished name. So far as I can see, no one else seems to have the slightest interest in this. My second step would probably be to A: clearly define which of the interfaces involved in the project are internal (and subject to change without notice) and which are external (and guaranteed to remain stable in the long term, to be removed or see non-backwards-compatible changes only with a years-long deprecation process if at all), and B: define the boundaries in such a way that any interface which one of the project's modular components uses to communicate with another such component is considered an external interface. My reasoning in that latter is more or less as follows: * In order for a component of a system to be properly considered modular, it must be possible not only to remove that component without interfering with the functioning of the rest of the system (except perhaps by way of explicitly declared dependencies), but to have the option of replacing it with an alternative component which is developed and maintained by a third party. * A third-party tool cannot safely use or depend on an internal interface of a different project. (I believe even the current systemd project would agree with this statement.) * Therefore, either the interfaces between the components are not internal interfaces, or those components are not modular. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Configure Postfix *as* a smart host?
On Sun, 30 Aug 2015, Martin Smith wrote: You might find more answers at www.postfix.org, they also have a very good mailing list, which I can recommend No doubt a very good idea; thanks. -- Bob Bernstein
Re: Another system management tool to disappear.
On 31/08/2015 1:24 AM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 01:00:27 +1000 Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote: And ANYONE whom speaks against systemd is, quite simply, just like one who utters the name Voldermort in the Harry Potter story. Both are just as evil, but one is purely fictional. With due respect, m'lud, it is not he who is evil, who dares utter the name of He Who Must Not Be Named. HWMNBN, and his followers, are another matter... Yes, of course, that is what I actually meant ;-) - that's the fictional one [HWMNBN]. - systemd is the non-fictional one Just to be clear... both of those evil. The person whom speaks up against systemd is typically [and most certainly erroneously] considered a troll. We are allowed to have an opinion, even though expressing it is demonized by the pro systemd crowd. Cheers A.
Re: Another system management tool to disappear.
On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 04:35:46 +1000 Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote: The person whom speaks up against systemd is typically [and most certainly erroneously] considered a troll. We are allowed to have an opinion, even though expressing it is demonized by the pro systemd crowd. Common phenomenon: It is well documented that the recently converted are the most rabid defenders of their newly-found faith; even though it may be of recent creation (For reference, see Scientology) Cheers, Ron. -- Luck, that's when preparation and opportunity meet. -- P.E. Trudeau -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --
usb read only
hello everyone. i have a usb stick that it gets recognised as read only. how do i fix that issue, so i could format it and have a usable usb stick? i have tried with dosfsck -a without success Disk /dev/sdb: 31.4 GB, 31449415680 bytes 19 heads, 19 sectors/track, 170151 cylinders, total 61424640 sectors Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disk identifier: 0x10635f1f Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sdb1 *806461424639307082887 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT *root@netbook:~#* dosfsck -a /dev/sdb1 dosfsck 3.0.13, 30 Jun 2012, FAT32, LFN open: Read-only file system *root@netbook:~#* even gparted has it recognised as read only
Re: Too many system names
Sorry, please ignore this post. I didn't notice I was replying to an older response. Regards, Jochen. Jochen Spieker: Gary Roach: OK: With ServerName set to supercrunch and doing a systemctl reload and then systemctl -l status, I get the following message (In part) Aug 25 23:41:53 supercrunch apache2[662]: Starting web server: apache2AH00557: apache2: apr_sockaddr_info_get() failed for supercrunch That may be related to a line like 'Listen supercrunch:80 or maybe VirtualHost supercrunch:80. If your system cannot resolve that name, Apache doesn't know what to do with it. Please note that a ServerName supercrunch should not lead to that problem since in this case supercrunch is just a string that Apache expects in the Host header of requests. Technically, I don't think it has to be a valid DNS name on the server. With this set up, I tried to run supercrunch/redmine, localhost/redmine, 127.0.0.1/redmine. None worked. Please, describe what None worked exactly means and what you find in the VirtualHost-specific log files I proposed to set up J. -- I'm being paid to act weirdly. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html -- If I was a supermodel I would give all my cocaine to the socially excluded. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Another system management tool to disappear.
On 08/30/2015 03:33 PM, T.J. Duchene wrote: On 08/30/2015 02:44 PM, The Wanderer wrote: On 2015-08-30 at 15:08, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: Sadly, considering the effort that has been spent (wasted ?) developing systemd, the only fix would be to avoid adopting it, or later to get rid of it completely Not to mention that some of the changes which would be necessary to fix some parts of the design have already been pre-rejected by upstream; they've specifically and explicitly stated that patches to remove the interdependencies among the various components will not be accepted. I honestly doubt most of the people on this list would attempt to upstream a patch to the systemd project, even if they had one. If you personally prefer a Linux system sans systemd, it is very possible. I know this because I have actually built 95% of base Linux from source by hand - multiple times - over the last 17 years. In my opinion, if you don't want to take the effort to do the work, then you simply ave to accept other's decisions regarding what they compiled in. /snip/ That's easy for you to say, since you are obviously a programmer. The rest of us may never have programmed anything, and C just looks like some foreign language --which it is! What we would like is stability, and until Poettering started messing with Linux, we pretty much had it--at least in any given distro. --doug
Re: Another system management tool to disappear.
On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 12:16 AM, Renaud OLGIATI ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org wrote: Systemd-Linux to get rid of su: https://tlhp.cf/lennart-poettering-su/ Is this a trend to make _all_ the GNU-Linux tools disappear, and have _everything_ incorporated into systemd ? Cheers, Ron. My interpretation of that blog post ranges from He's trying to imitate Ted Unangst's doas, but decided sudo isn't a good enough target. to This is more of his attempting to extend the ability of systemd to completely wrap the kernel. As a median interpretation, their group has tried to use su for something they have in their roadmap, recognized the spec puts su outside their planned use, and is working on a tool similar to su, which provides a bit more of the fine-grained control they think they need (and less of the fine-grained control they don't want). And, because of the way they do things, they are currently selling their shiny new tool as an alternative to su, which means they may soon be coming around trying to get support from a lot of young, ambitious new programmers willing to develop a whole lot of code to replace a lot of system scripts that use su. Just more of that re-inventing the wheel thing over there. Since debian has decided to bring systemd in, it will affect us, but probably not this year. Joel Rees Be careful when you look at conspiracy. Arm yourself with knowledge of yourself, as well: http://reiisi.blogspot.jp/2011/10/conspiracy-theories.html
Re: localhost sin acceso
En los tres caso no carga nada, solo una pagina de error, quiero que se vea una pagina web que esta en /var/www, en los registros de apache aparece esto. [Sat Aug 29 08:21:35.836708 2015] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 736:tid 3073611584] AH00489: Apache/2.4.10 (Debian) configured -- resuming normal operations [Sat Aug 29 08:21:35.836748 2015] [core:notice] [pid 736:tid 3073611584] AH00094: Command line: '/usr/sbin/apache2' [Sat Aug 29 09:06:29.477905 2015] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 736:tid 3073611584] AH00491: caught SIGTERM, shutting down [Sat Aug 29 09:32:19.887640 2015] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 1285:tid 3073558336] AH00489: Apache/2.4.10 (Debian) configured -- resuming normal operations [Sat Aug 29 09:32:20.102357 2015] [core:notice] [pid 1285:tid 3073558336] AH00094: Command line: '/usr/sbin/apache2' [Sat Aug 29 17:10:33.377460 2015] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 1285:tid 3073558336] AH00491: caught SIGTERM, shutting down [Sat Aug 29 18:51:08.321644 2015] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 757:tid 3073480512] AH00489: Apache/2.4.10 (Debian) configured -- resuming normal operations [Sat Aug 29 18:51:08.598057 2015] [core:notice] [pid 757:tid 3073480512] AH00094: Command line: '/usr/sbin/apache2' [Sat Aug 29 20:38:04.859974 2015] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 757:tid 3073480512] AH00491: caught SIGTERM, shutting down [Sat Aug 29 17:07:26.969024 2015] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 1266:tid 3074250560] AH00489: Apache/2.4.10 (Debian) configured -- resuming normal operations [Sat Aug 29 17:07:27.002327 2015] [core:notice] [pid 1266:tid 3074250560] AH00094: Command line: '/usr/sbin/apache2' [Sun Aug 30 00:17:06.066158 2015] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 1266:tid 3074250560] AH00491: caught SIGTERM, shutting down [Sun Aug 30 09:44:28.387672 2015] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 1317:tid 3073488704] AH00489: Apache/2.4.10 (Debian) configured -- resuming normal operations [Sun Aug 30 09:44:29.076761 2015] [core:notice] [pid 1317:tid 3073488704] AH00094: Command line: '/usr/sbin/apache2' [Sun Aug 30 09:49:29.127354 2015] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 1317:tid 3073488704] AH00493: SIGUSR1 received. Doing graceful restart AH00558: apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using ::1. Set the 'ServerName' directive globally to suppress this message El 30 de agosto de 2015, 6:00, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: El Sat, 29 Aug 2015 13:11:37 -0500, Ricardo Mendoza escribió: Corrijo el html y top-posting. El 29 de agosto de 2015, 12:48, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: El Sat, 29 Aug 2015 12:33:11 -0500, Ricardo Mendoza escribió: (ese html...) Saludos, hace un tiempo intente montar un servidor web, de ese intento quedo inutilizado localhost, como puedo volver a habilitar el acceso a localhost,gracias ¿En qué sentido quedó inutilizado? Si explicas un poco más lo que sucede y lo que quieres hacer, mejor :-) el problema esta en el acceso a la direccion localhost en el url del navegador, cuando intento cargar paginas que estan ubicadas en /var/ww/. Veamos... doy por hecho que tienes un servidor web apache funcionando pero tengo la duda de lo que sucede cuando en el navegador pones: http://localhost o http://127.0.0.1 o http://localhost/misitio Dependiendo de la configuración que hayas hecho (¿virtual host?) los dos primeros enlaces deben cargar el sitio que tengas como predeterminado (@default) y el tercero debe cargar la página principal del misitio. ¿Qué es lo que se carga en los 3 casos y qué es lo que quieres que pase? En cualquier caso, revisa siempre los registros de Apache que te dirán qué es lo que está pasando. Saludos, -- Camaleón
Re: Som no debian
Tb to com esse msm problema. Antes ficava toda hora mudando pro volume maximo. Aperta alt+ f2 e digita kmix q ele volta mas acho q depois de um tempo ta sumindo novamente. Enviado do meu iPhone Em 29/08/2015, às 20:58, Manoel Pedro de Araújo mpara...@gmail.com escreveu: Olá, estou com um problema de som no debian. Quando eu ligo o som de inicialização do KDE nao aparece, mas o som nas nas multimidia estão normalmente. Alguem sabe resolver este problema? -- Manoel
Re: Another system management tool to disappear.
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 20:30:58 -0400 Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: On Saturday 29 August 2015 10:39:07 Reco wrote: Hi. On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 09:49:55 -0400 Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: If su goes away, IMNSHO, it will be such a PITA that it will encourage far more people to just give up and run their machines as root full time. And I don't believe for a millisecond that is the effect intended. They provide some systemd-specific kludge instead of su. So it's not that bad. I don't recall recognizing that being discussed yet. Please read the bugreport. It's all there. https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/825 And, given the current systemd adoption rate in Debian, I'd say that we, stable users, have 3-4 years before that machinectl login thing will be available to us. So, if su goes away, how do I accomplish those tasks in a suitable manner that will not bore a hole in the user sandbox? If it comes to this (i.e 'su' will go away) - I just use busybox (which has perfectly working implementation of su without the fancy bits). I.e. busybox su - Command not found. Wheezy 32 bit install. Obviously for this command to work it's required to install busybox. I'd recommend busybox-static package. Reco Installed it, suid problems: gene@coyote:~$ busybox su amanda su: must be suid to work properly gene@coyote:~$ busybox su - su: must be suid to work properly Is it still finding the system su first? No. The 'problem' is exactly what it tolds. Meaning: 1) Original su is suid root-owned binary: $ ls -la /bin/su -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 40168 Nov 21 2014 /bin/su 2) Busybox, on the other hand - is not: $ ls -la /bin/busybox -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1837008 Feb 19 2015 /bin/busybox So, *root*-invoked busybox su should behave exactly like original su. Everyone other than root are told to get lost. Note that: 1) Setting suid bit on busybox is *extremely* bad idea. Don't do it ever do it (as busybox provides *much* more than su). 2) Your way of using su you've described should not be affected by this little inconvinience as you become root first, and do su second. Being curious, myself, about this question, I did a web search on suid busybox and found this interesting tidbit: http://www.softforge.de/bb/suid.html which refers one compile-time configuration, and to a convenient configuration file: /etc/busybox.conf I would assume that, if you have installed busybox, you would have man pages that explain this, as well. But I don't have a debian system booted to check, at the moment, sorry. After a search on the web, maybe it is not easy to find in the man pages, after all. I must say, my personal impression of busybox has always been that I would rather simply have enough persistent storage to have a proper userland -- that it would be indicated only on embedded stuff where flash RAM and other persistent storage is extremely limited for some reason or other. Curt seems to be using it in other ways -- which might be interesting to hear more about? -- Joel Rees Be careful when you look at conspiracy. Arm yourself with knowledge of yourself, as well: http://reiisi.blogspot.jp/2011/10/conspiracy-theories.html
Re: Configure Postfix *as* a smart host?
On 30/08/2015 00:13, Bob Bernstein wrote: I have an instance of Wheezy running on a VPS (for years) and only now have decided I want to take advantage of the possibility of using it as a smarthost for my home machines, instead of what my cable company makes available, which I confess works just fine. For example, I have a Jessie system here at home running Alpine, which is very flexible in how one may specify an SMTP host. Of course, I don't need authentication (or the submit port) to use my cable company's smarthost. But when I point alpine at my VPS for smtp services (as it were) it tells me that authentication is not offered, this despite my following to the letter (or so I thought) the directions for setting up SASL on Postfix. I have cleared the way for port 587 both ways on both the VPS and on my home router. Here's what happens (with phonied-up data): $ telnet boris.fuzzywuzzy.com 587 Trying 12.34.123.123... Connected to boris.fuzzywuzzy.com. Escape character is '^]'. 220 boris.fuzzywuzzy.com ESMTP Postfix (Debian/GNU) ^] telnet quit Connection closed. Not a hint of the Postfix config I've done, under the inspiration, mostly, of this page: http://postfix.state-of-mind.de/patrick.koetter/smtpauth/smtp_auth_mailservers.html Extra-Credit question: why does debian ship postfix with an empty /etc/postfix/sasl directory? Thanks, You might find more answers at www.postfix.org, they also have a very good mailing list, which I can recommend
Re: something at init is taking about 31s to finish
On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 13:18:19 +0200 Sven Hartge s...@svenhartge.de wrote: bri...@aracnet.com wrote: On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 04:25:36 +0200 Sven Hartge s...@svenhartge.de wrote: bri...@aracnet.com wrote: There's no way anyone can help until i can get a trace of what's going on at boot. Jessie or newer? With systemd? systemd-analyze blame 29.597s networking.service 3.256s systemd-suspend.service aha. So I need to dig deeper into networking.service networking.service is /etc/init.d/networking. Somehow the parsing and acting upon /etc/network/interfaces is slow. Please share the contents of /etc/network/interfaces, maybe something odd stands out in there. cat /etc/network/interfaces # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5). # The loopback network interface auto lo iface lo inet loopback # The primary network interface allow-hotplug eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp there's this in dmesg: [6.210098] EXT4-fs (sda7): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null) [ 35.827945] r8169 :03:00.0: firmware: failed to load rtl_nic/rtl8168f-1.fw (-2) [ 35.827963] r8169 :03:00.0: Direct firmware load failed with error -2 [ 35.827965] r8169 :03:00.0: Falling back to user helper [ 35.828580] r8169 :03:00.0 eth0: unable to load firmware patch rtl_nic/rtl8168f-1.fw (-12) so it is the dreaded r8169 firmware crappola. the system works fine not loading it. is there any way to tell the module to not even try and load it ? Brian
Re: laptop protection in an office network
On Sun 30 Aug 2015 at 09:31:50 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 11:00:51PM +0100, Brian wrote: [...] None of these. Bonjour plays a central role in printing over a network. Discarding it as a very useful tool isn't very helpful. It aids in printer discovery. If your configuration is somewhat static, it's totally superfluous. In a highly dynamic environment it's convenient. The distinction between static and dynamic is a useful one when it comes to printing. With a policy of only printing to a local USB connected printer or a designated server in client.conf the need for service discovery with avahi-daemon is, as you say, superfluous. Whether it can be removed depends on the system setup. On GNOME its purging will take gnome-core with it. That doesn't look good. :), so disabling it looks a better bet. In a dynamic environment (moving from site to site, for example) I'd see the status of avahi-daemon as essential, not simply convenient. Setting up a static configuration in such a circumstance may not be easy. There is no assurance that anyone even knows the server address and, for some devices such as a mobile phone, it wouldn't do you much good if they did. I know for sure: my printing runs perfectly fine without Avahi (and without CUPS, at that). I've just two printers I've to talk to, work and home. Once they are configured, LPRNG does the rest. This is a static configuration equivalent to the CUPS one outlined above. It has the same drawbacks. There is no reason why either setup shouldn't produce a satisfactory printing experience. I believe LPRNG cannot do service discovery so a roaming user may have the trouble of needing to get a server name for every new situation. Pick your tools. Know why. Indeed; but banning one of them reduces the possibilities of effortless printing.
Re: Another system management tool to disappear.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 29/08/2015 8:49 AM, T.J. Duchene wrote: snip rubbish Lennart is the /main/ reason systemd exists; vocal or not. The linux kernel is bloated, it shouldn't be as large IMHO either. It too goes against the *NIX way Read Lennart's own blog, you'll see that he is in the business of making Linux his own; thus my coined phrase Lennart's Linux. I want no part of Lennart Linux and I don't want ANY feature creep to lessen my freedom of choice for any essential component on my systems. Once you take in systemd, you are going to get to the stage that it will be necessary whether you like it or not. And ANYONE whom speaks against systemd is, quite simply, just like one who utters the name Voldermort in the Harry Potter story. Both are just as evil, but one is purely fictional. Kind Regards AndrewM -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iF4EAREIAAYFAlXjGooACgkQqBZry7fv4vuT+gEAsMhRA4r2kxXAKRXFIwyBgB76 jx0zF5WQzwQPYQ2Jg98A/iFC1cqvD8+irElZ3llsB2194FnU/WMrxofbboNV2K2W =qEN/ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: laptop protection in an office network
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 03:07:44PM +0100, Brian wrote: On Sun 30 Aug 2015 at 09:31:50 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 11:00:51PM +0100, Brian wrote: [...] None of these. Bonjour plays a central role in printing over a network. Discarding it as a very useful tool isn't very helpful. It aids in printer discovery. If your configuration is somewhat static, it's totally superfluous. In a highly dynamic environment it's convenient. The distinction between static and dynamic is a useful one when it comes to printing. With a policy of only printing to a local USB connected printer or a designated server in client.conf the need for service discovery with avahi-daemon is, as you say, superfluous. Whether it can be removed depends on the system setup. On GNOME its purging will take gnome-core with it. That doesn't look good. :), so disabling it looks a better bet. I remember something like that. Actually, my wrangling to get rid of Avahi, and the realization of how intertwined things had become was the first nail in Gnome's coffin (for me, that is!). A couple more nails, and I'm now Gnome-free. Farewell, it was nice while it lasted. Too complex, to many dependencies and too hard to debug [1] In a dynamic environment (moving from site to site, for example) I'd see the status of avahi-daemon as essential, not simply convenient [...] I know for sure: my printing runs perfectly fine without Avahi [...] This is a static configuration equivalent to the CUPS one outlined above. It has the same drawbacks. There is no reason why either setup shouldn't produce a satisfactory printing experience. I believe LPRNG cannot do service discovery so a roaming user may have the trouble of needing to get a server name for every new situation. Correct. LPRNG doesn't service discovery. I do that discovery (e.g. I walk in the office to the copier-printer and look at the label slapped on it where its IP is printed on). I gladly do that discovery. Pick your tools. Know why. Indeed; but banning one of them reduces the possibilities of effortless printing. Banning is a loaded word. I choose simplicity (and am ready to pay some price for it). I don't tell others to do likewise, I just offer help in making a choice. I can only ban it from my computer. - - - - - [1] A case in point: at home we have a postscript network printer. For one file, my SO's computer (a fresh Debian installation, with all the Mate and Cups goodnes isn't able to print one specific PDF. My box, with LPRNG and apsfilter does print it. The CUPS log files say that yes, everything is fine. I've the hunch that the printer's Postscript implementation is crappy, and the CUPS variant is sending some Postscript Level 2 the printer can't digest (it prints an error message instead of the wanted document, so it seems to be the interpreter in the printer freaking out). With LPRNG/apsfilter, I'd be able to debug the thing. With all this CUPS mess, I don't even know where to start. Ick. Regards - -- tomás -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlXjLx4ACgkQBcgs9XrR2kZTGgCfdLm6A73a718kWqyJx6HjiDR5 ZG4An2VHT4+16jfSPhQydfpvjFhUtTc7 =3vun -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Another system management tool to disappear.
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 8:23 PM, claude juif claude.j...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-08-29 13:35 GMT+02:00 Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com: On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 12:25 AM, claude juif claude.j...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, 2015-08-28 17:16 GMT+02:00 Renaud OLGIATI ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org: Systemd-Linux to get rid of su: https://tlhp.cf/lennart-poettering-su/ Is this a trend to make _all_ the GNU-Linux tools disappear, and have _everything_ incorporated into systemd ? Troll mode: ON What he explains in the blogpost you link make sense. So let's give it a try ;) So, do you mean to say that, when you say the blog post linked to makes sense, you are intending to be trolling? No sorry it was exactly the opposite. I was afraid about a new troll around systemd. Well, where I'm from, troll_mode is a property of the OP, and only the OP can set it. We might read it between the lines, but we can't actually set it. We, after the fact, can assert troll_warning or such, and the least processor-intensive way to assert that would be to use interweaved response, with the troll_warning flag above the quoted text. Lisi might tell me I'm being too pedantic. -- Joel Rees Be careful when you look at conspiracy. Arm yourself with knowledge of yourself, as well: http://reiisi.blogspot.jp/2011/10/conspiracy-theories.html
Re: Another system management tool to disappear.
On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 01:00:27 +1000 Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote: And ANYONE whom speaks against systemd is, quite simply, just like one who utters the name Voldermort in the Harry Potter story. Both are just as evil, but one is purely fictional. With due respect, m'lud, it is not he who is evil, who dares utter the name of He Who Must Not Be Named. HWMNBN, and his followers, are another matter... Cheers, Ron. -- C'est bien plus beau lorsque c'est inutile. -- Edmond Rostand -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --
Re: what is the static ip address I assigned to eth0?
Quoting Reco (recovery...@gmail.com): On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 14:35:09 +0100 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Fri 28 Aug 2015 at 14:45:32 +0300, Reco wrote: On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 12:09:08 +0100 Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Fri 28 Aug 2015 at 10:01:59 +, Curt wrote: On 2015-08-28, David Wright deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk wrote: $ host localhost Host localhost not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) $ ping localhost PING localhost (127.0.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from localhost (127.0.0.1): icmp_req=1 ttl=64 time=0.032 ms curty@einstein:~$ host localhost localhost has address 127.0.0.1 localhost has IPv6 address ::1 To complete the picture: brian@desktop:~$ dig -x 127.0.0.1 ; DiG 9.9.5-9-Debian -x 127.0.0.1 [...] ;; ANSWER SECTION: 1.0.0.127.in-addr.arpa. 10800 IN PTR localhost. [...] host and dig use only the DNS. Elimar's suggestion to use 'host $(hostname)' will work if hostname is a FQDN. But it shouldn't (or wouldn't) be on a stock Debian system. Not unless said 'stock Debian system' has 'search domain' stanza in /etc/resolv.conf. Does search example.org count? :) It should count for the hosts in this domain. Provided, of course, that one needs to resolve 'bare' hostnames (i.e. non-FQDN). What is not understandable (to me) is why 'host localhost' resolves for some but not for others and why it is thought 'host $(hostname)' should resolve in the DNS. Stock Debian BIND configuration includes this wonderful snippet (/etc/bind/db.local): ; ; BIND data file for local loopback interface ; $TTL604800 @ IN SOA localhost. root.localhost. ( 2 ; Serial 604800 ; Refresh 86400 ; Retry 2419200 ; Expire 604800 ) ; Negative Cache TTL ; @ IN NS localhost. @ IN A 127.0.0.1 @ IN ::1 Translating this to English - every BIND installed on Debian considers itself the final authority on localhost zone and always returns 127.0.0.1 for A queries (IPv4) and ::1 for queries (IPv6). Other Linux distributions can store zone files elsewhere, but the principle is the same. Interpreting /etc/bind/db.127 (PTR entries) is left for an exercise for the readers. So - 'host localhost' *should* work given an ideal world (because in ideal world everyone will use an ideal DNS, which is BIND). Why on earth would I want to use BIND on my LAN at home? Just so I have to read and understand RFC1035? No, I just put the hostnames and addresses into /etc/hosts. (And script it because I have five to do.) Debian correctly puts 127.0.0.1 localhost into /etc/hosts and hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns into /etc/nsswitch.conf. So it's the hosts file that resolves localhost. DNS is not involved. BIND has to know the answer *in case* it's asked, not because it's *got to be* asked. My earlier posting (included above) was to show that, of the many suggestions made in this thread, host was not a good choice on a typical correctly-configured system. Cheers, David.
Re: the IBM keyboard
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 07:54:11PM -0500, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: Eventually, at the stroke of midnight on 31 December A.D. 1999, M$ Word 5.0 for DO$ began writing garbage to the data files. This is one of the very few genuine Y2K bugs. M$ had no patch, but offered instead a free copy of Word 5.5. But who in his right mind would migrate to 5.5? Word 5.0 was the last version of Word for DO$ which could be used without aid of the rodent, and a rodent is anathema to efficiency. This is not supported by evidence, e.g. http://facweb.cs.depaul.edu/sjost/csc423/examples/anova/efficiency.pdf Jacob Nielsen has argued that people _feel_ more efficient using just the keyboard, but objective measurements don't agree. -- Carl Fink nitpick...@nitpicking.com Read my blog at blog.nitpicking.com. Reviews! Observations! Stupid mistakes you can correct!
Re: Adapter Names on Stretch [OT]
On Sunday 30 August 2015 14:50:54 David Wright wrote: Quoting Gene Heskett (ghesk...@wdtv.com): You may well be correct, but to my grandfather they were loaned. I do know that when they left, each was equipt with a good sturdy tag/label bareing the owners name address, well sealed against the elements. I would suspect that the possibility of a little history rewriting may have been done over the last 70 years to lesson the language from loan to gift. Recall as always, that the history of a war is written by the winners. That's difficult to do with contemporary newspaper appeals: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=861dat=19401112id=vDFSIBA Jsjid=EjYNIBAJpg=3629,1766022hl=en https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1314dat=19401208id=mChWIB AJsjid=CuQDIBAJpg=6924,2616059hl=en Both of those are seriously close to the bottom of the pile in what we call the morgue. And while it might be possible to do some bit tweeking to clean up a blind offset plate, it would sure be a thankless job to rewrite those now digital images. And its dates (Dec 1940 etc) mean that I was just barely 6 years old, so I obviously never had a chance to see those articals first hand. So I guess maybe my grandfather may have said what he wished would happen. That would have to be a tad out of character for him IMO ubless he was horse trading. He rarely came back from town driving the same team he left with. One thing he did pass down thru his 2nd daughter, to me, is a decent IQ. That daughter, my mother, was the only girl in the class on aviation technology at Des Moines Technical High School, in 1929. When a little boy asked a question, if she did not know the answer, she did know where the library was, so I was reading high school physics books by the time we moved to town to work loading ammo during WW-II. ISTR that was early in '42. (The latter pops up one column to the right of the story's start.) Thank you for digging that up. It does I believe, lay that story to rest. Cheers, David. Cheers, Gene Heskett -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene
Re: laptop protection in an office network
On 30/08/15 03:20, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: Back in the 1960's and 1970's, manufacturers such as Honeywell and Cherry made keyswitches with a life rating in the tens of millions or even hundreds of millions of keystrokes. Cherry still *are* (or at some point resumed) making mechanical keyswitches with a rated life in the tens of millions, and the Internet is full of mail-order vendors selling keyboards (from several different manufacturers) built with those Cherry keyswitches.
DVD authoring software tested, DVDStyler wins
For anyone who may have reason to deal with this antiquated, anticloud technology, I needed to author a couple disks. I tried videotrans, tovid. Maybe I didn't understand enough to use videotrans, and would get better result if I tried again. Tovid was was disappointment, after laying out a DVD, the codec doubled the file size, so now it wouldn't fit on the disc. Bombono looks good in the youtube tutorial, but is unmaintained. I had problems, again disappointment after getting DVD menus and clips created, and crashing later in the process. Cross-platform DVDStyler didn't install on my debian system, because some probably upgraded-related sid package conflicts, what I tested was on our iMac. (This was with an older OSX, 10.6.8, which wouldn't accommodate the newest version 2.9, but 2.4.1 did install.) Debian has much newer available, so should be all this and more. I found it helpful that there was an auto setting for video transcoding compression that ensures the material will fit on disc. Also, it caches the transcoded files, so that the process of updating the menus and creating a new disc image goes quickly. I wanted to use 720x480 m2v and separate mpa files supplied to me, I was told in DVD-ready form, however tovid had complained the m2v wasn't DVD compatible. Must be some further transformation to VOB. So instead of multiplexing them to import, ended up transcoding from .mov files I had for the same job. It took me a long time to figure out that clicking on a highlight color (replacing it with a fine black X) was needed for the palette to update the color. Otherwise, the WxWidget GUI was okay. There were a few bugs. A few times I had to exit and restart the app. Once the OS needed to reboot in order for DVDStyler to startup properly. Once I needed to remove and re-install the app to get it to continue. I did managed to coax it through authoring the two discs. I like the look of WxWidget, perhaps will use it one day in one of my projects... Cheers, Joel -- Joel Roth
the IBM keyboard
On Sun, August 30, 2015 10:42 pm, Doug wrote: What you need is an IBM model M keyboard. They are refurbished and sold by Clicky Keys: http://www.clickykeyboards.com/ I learned to touch-type in 1963, in highschool, on a manual keybar machine with QWERTY keyboard and blank keycaps; I was the best typist in the class (90 to 100 wpm). Over the years I have used manual and portable keybar machines and the marvelous IBM Correcting Selectric II. Then I moved, in succession, to an IBM memory typewriter, an early dedicated word processing system by Exxon, and then to a very expensive professional word processing system, which I believe was manufactured by Addressorgraph-Multigraph. My next system was a floppy-based IBM-PC running version 1.0 of M$ Word for DO$, which I purchased sometime in the interval 1980-1983. Thankfully, shortly after acquiring the IBM-PC, I switched to the Dvorak keymap, using dedicated (custom firmware) Dvorak keyboards. But by the time that I had worn out several of the dedicated keyboards, keymapping software became available for the M$ DO$ environment. Eventually, at the stroke of midnight on 31 December A.D. 1999, M$ Word 5.0 for DO$ began writing garbage to the data files. This is one of the very few genuine Y2K bugs. M$ had no patch, but offered instead a free copy of Word 5.5. But who in his right mind would migrate to 5.5? Word 5.0 was the last version of Word for DO$ which could be used without aid of the rodent, and a rodent is anathema to efficiency. Hundreds of Word 5.0 documents had to be abandoned, because, even in the present day, while it is possible to convert Word 5.0 documents to plain, unformatted ASCII, there appears to be no automated method to convert the convoluted proprietary M$ scheme of encoding to another format while preserving (via markup) vital formatting such as italic and boldface. And the labour of manual editing to add markup for italic and boldface was prohibitive, not to mention the subsequent proofreading). So that fiasco led me to Linux and gave me the determination never again to fall into the trap of proprietary software and proprietary encoding schemes. The use of plain text and markup is the only safe and sane approach to word processing. == Anyway, all this history comes to mind because I recall that there is something really strange about the IBM keyboard -- at least to anyone who types by touch. Looking today at a photograph of a mode M, I think that the problem is that IBM reduced the width of the left-hand shift key, in order to accommodate a key. This is something which, for me, destroys the usefulness of the Model M. And keymapping cannot correct the fact that two keycaps occupy the space in which the fingers of a touch typist expect to find only one keycap. But this blunder is typical of IBM, who at times has done stupid things to accommodate stupid customers. A similar blunder was the IBM implementation of the Dvorak keyboard for the original Selectric. August Dvorak arranged the keys of the numeric row in the order 751902468 . But IBM implemented a modified Dvorak keyboard in which the keys of the numeric row are in the order 123456780 . With original Dvorak layout, numbers are typed easily and with few errors, while in the IBM layout, even a good typist has difficulty with numbers. By the way, xkb provides not only the modified layout, but also the Dvorak Classic layout. RLH -- Be ware of confounding ignorance and stupidity. Ignorance may be corrected by instruction and education. But there is no remedy for stupidity.
Re: the IBM keyboard
On Sun, August 30, 2015 8:18 pm, Karen Lewellen wrote: Oh joy! forgive my nose, especially since I missed this post at first. Still, I am typing right now, this very moment, on a real IBM clicky keyboard! However the cable is starting to fray, and I was wondering if I would be able to replace this treasure...i. have. had. this. for. a. very! long time. Anyway, your link to this company may be a solution and I am sososososo happy! thanks, Kare If the only problem is a cable, all you need to do is find a local technician who can replace the cable with the cable from one of the chinese keyboards which someone has tossed into the dumpster. Of course, most keyboards nowadays are USB. But most of us (myself included) have in the closet a keyboard or two which uses the old-style connector, if that is what you need. The technician would take the back cover off the keyboard, clip the leads of the old cable, attach the leads of the replacement cable, and replace the back cover. Soldering may be necessary, but that is simple for any technician. A fifteen-minute repair. For a local technicial, ask around. Almost any amateur radio operator should be competent. Look around your neighbourhood for a house with a large antenna or for a car with an amateur radio license plate. Failing that, if you have a local radio or television station, walk in with you keyboard in hand (and the old keyboard from which you are going to scavange the cable) and ask to see the technician. The cost of the repair? A box of donuts should do it. RLH
Re: laptop protection in an office network
On Monday 31 August 2015 04:42:12 Doug wrote: On 08/29/2015 09:20 PM, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: On Sat, August 29, 2015 8:33 pm, Gene Heskett wrote: On Saturday 29 August 2015 21:24:47 rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: Forgive me; my fingers are dyslexic. So are mine. They don't type what I tell them to lots of the time. Coulnd't be the accumulated years (nearly 81) could it? Not necessarily. From time to time, I have found a sudden, large increase in the number of typographical errors in the documents which I produce. And several times, investigation has revealed that the problem lies in a worn-out keyboard. Back in the 1960's and 1970's, manufacturers such as Honeywell and Cherry made keyswitches with a life rating in the tens of millions or even hundreds of millions of keystrokes. Nowadays, it is becoming difficult to find a keyboard with a rating in the tens of thousands of keystrokes. Many manufacturers today have a poor keyswitch design which utilizes low-quality plastics; they depend upon a lubricant such as wax to keep the plunger working freely. And when the wax wears away, the plunger begins to stick. And when the plunger does not depress freely, the result is a multitude of typographical errors. RLH What you need is an IBM model M keyboard. They are refurbished and sold by Clicky Keys: http://www.clickykeyboards.com/ I use an IBM KB-9910. Not quite as good as the Model M, nor as good as I was trying to find, but not bad. I make loads of typos. Old age? Poor sight? The fact that I am a lousy typist? The last one certainly. The sight doesn't help. But so far I don't feel that old age has exacerbated things. Lisi
Re: something at init is taking about 31s to finish
bri...@aracnet.com wrote: [6.210098] EXT4-fs (sda7): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null) [ 35.827945] r8169 :03:00.0: firmware: failed to load rtl_nic/rtl8168f-1.fw (-2) [ 35.827963] r8169 :03:00.0: Direct firmware load failed with error -2 [ 35.827965] r8169 :03:00.0: Falling back to user helper [ 35.828580] r8169 :03:00.0 eth0: unable to load firmware patch rtl_nic/rtl8168f-1.fw (-12) so it is the dreaded r8169 firmware crappola. the system works fine not loading it. is there any way to tell the module to not even try and load it ? modinfo r8169 tells me: no, there is not. Why not just install the package firmware-realtek and be done with it? I understand the whole oh noes, firmware is a binary blob with unknown contents, woe me, woe me, the NSA is gonna hack me stance, but in this case, the unknown binary blob is already active in the NIC, the firmware file merely provides an update. By not installing the firmware package, you are just making your life harder without gaining anything but a delayed boot. Grüße, Sven. -- Sigmentation fault. Core dumped.
Re: the IBM keyboard
Quoting Carl Fink (c...@finknetwork.com): On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 07:54:11PM -0500, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: Eventually, at the stroke of midnight on 31 December A.D. 1999, M$ Word 5.0 for DO$ began writing garbage to the data files. This is one of the very few genuine Y2K bugs. M$ had no patch, but offered instead a free copy of Word 5.5. But who in his right mind would migrate to 5.5? Word 5.0 was the last version of Word for DO$ which could be used without aid of the rodent, and a rodent is anathema to efficiency. This is not supported by evidence, e.g. http://facweb.cs.depaul.edu/sjost/csc423/examples/anova/efficiency.pdf I'm struggling to see how this reference backs up your assertion. The use-case is not word-processing (Word) where both hands are expected to be on the keys most of the time. This study prepared the hands on the mouse (for the mouse method) in advance (penultimate paragraph). This might be sensible if you were dealing with Illustrator/CorelDraw etc but not word processing. Looking at the size of some toolbars nowadays, and the proportion of real estate left for the text, it's arguable that the desirability of a toolbar is moot. So the very last sentence supports the keyboard. Moving back to the antepenultimate paragraph, 90 trials might be an adequate number for some ad hoc banking application involving US states, but can hardly be considered adequate for a power-user (like RLH) of a textual application where individual commands that have been used hundreds of times will be typed without any conscious effort at all, rather like a pianist plays ornaments. Jacob Nielsen has argued that people _feel_ more efficient using just the keyboard, but objective measurements don't agree. This statement has no context by which to judge it. Cheers, David.
Re: the IBM keyboard
Oh joy! forgive my nose, especially since I missed this post at first. Still, I am typing right now, this very moment, on a real IBM clicky keyboard! However the cable is starting to fray, and I was wondering if I would be able to replace this treasure...i. have. had. this. for. a. very! long time. Anyway, your link to this company may be a solution and I am sososososo happy! thanks, Kare On Sun, 30 Aug 2015, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: On Sun, August 30, 2015 10:42 pm, Doug wrote: What you need is an IBM model M keyboard. They are refurbished and sold by Clicky Keys: http://www.clickykeyboards.com/ I learned to touch-type in 1963, in highschool, on a manual keybar machine with QWERTY keyboard and blank keycaps; I was the best typist in the class (90 to 100 wpm). Over the years I have used manual and portable keybar machines and the marvelous IBM Correcting Selectric II. Then I moved, in succession, to an IBM memory typewriter, an early dedicated word processing system by Exxon, and then to a very expensive professional word processing system, which I believe was manufactured by Addressorgraph-Multigraph. My next system was a floppy-based IBM-PC running version 1.0 of M$ Word for DO$, which I purchased sometime in the interval 1980-1983. Thankfully, shortly after acquiring the IBM-PC, I switched to the Dvorak keymap, using dedicated (custom firmware) Dvorak keyboards. But by the time that I had worn out several of the dedicated keyboards, keymapping software became available for the M$ DO$ environment. Eventually, at the stroke of midnight on 31 December A.D. 1999, M$ Word 5.0 for DO$ began writing garbage to the data files. This is one of the very few genuine Y2K bugs. M$ had no patch, but offered instead a free copy of Word 5.5. But who in his right mind would migrate to 5.5? Word 5.0 was the last version of Word for DO$ which could be used without aid of the rodent, and a rodent is anathema to efficiency. Hundreds of Word 5.0 documents had to be abandoned, because, even in the present day, while it is possible to convert Word 5.0 documents to plain, unformatted ASCII, there appears to be no automated method to convert the convoluted proprietary M$ scheme of encoding to another format while preserving (via markup) vital formatting such as italic and boldface. And the labour of manual editing to add markup for italic and boldface was prohibitive, not to mention the subsequent proofreading). So that fiasco led me to Linux and gave me the determination never again to fall into the trap of proprietary software and proprietary encoding schemes. The use of plain text and markup is the only safe and sane approach to word processing. == Anyway, all this history comes to mind because I recall that there is something really strange about the IBM keyboard -- at least to anyone who types by touch. Looking today at a photograph of a mode M, I think that the problem is that IBM reduced the width of the left-hand shift key, in order to accommodate a key. This is something which, for me, destroys the usefulness of the Model M. And keymapping cannot correct the fact that two keycaps occupy the space in which the fingers of a touch typist expect to find only one keycap. But this blunder is typical of IBM, who at times has done stupid things to accommodate stupid customers. A similar blunder was the IBM implementation of the Dvorak keyboard for the original Selectric. August Dvorak arranged the keys of the numeric row in the order 751902468 . But IBM implemented a modified Dvorak keyboard in which the keys of the numeric row are in the order 123456780 . With original Dvorak layout, numbers are typed easily and with few errors, while in the IBM layout, even a good typist has difficulty with numbers. By the way, xkb provides not only the modified layout, but also the Dvorak Classic layout. RLH -- Be ware of confounding ignorance and stupidity. Ignorance may be corrected by instruction and education. But there is no remedy for stupidity.
Re: Why does Debian not recognize my USB3 disk drive?
On Sun, August 30, 2015 10:21 pm, Rick Thomas wrote: I recently added a USB3 PCI card to my Dell Poweredge 1430 server box. ... Am I missing a driver for the USB3 card? Are some USB3 chipsets not supported? Am I missing something important? Have you installed gnome-disk-utility? RLH
Re: Som no debian
On 30-08-2015 17:24, Manoel Pedro de Araújo wrote: Ja verifiquei todas as configuraçoes. Está tudo ok. Não sei mais o que fazer. não aparece como? por um acaso aparece com uma interface ficticia ? Abs, yzak
Why does Debian not recognize my USB3 disk drive?
I recently added a USB3 PCI card to my Dell Poweredge 1430 server box. I've tried plugging in various USB3 and USB2 devices (FLASH sticks, a WD MyBook 3TB external drive, etc) but they are not recognized by Debian as disks. When I plug these devices into a USB2 card also on the same server, they are recognized, but I'm limited to USB2 data speeds on the USB3 devices. Am I missing a driver for the USB3 card? Are some USB3 chipsets not supported? Am I missing something important? Thanks for any help you can provide! Rick With the disk plugged into the USB2 card, I get the following rbthomas@monk:~$ lsusb Bus 001 Device 004: ID :0013 MacAlly Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0557:8021 ATEN International Co., Ltd CS1764A [CubiQ DVI KVMP Switch] Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0409:005a NEC Corp. HighSpeed Hub Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 008 Device 002: ID 1058:1230 Western Digital Technologies, Inc. My Book (WDBFJK0030HBK) Bus 008 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 010 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 009 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub rbthomas@monk:~$ lspci | grep -i usb 00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 631xESB/632xESB/3100 Chipset UHCI USB Controller #1 (rev 09) 00:1d.1 USB controller: Intel Corporation 631xESB/632xESB/3100 Chipset UHCI USB Controller #2 (rev 09) 00:1d.2 USB controller: Intel Corporation 631xESB/632xESB/3100 Chipset UHCI USB Controller #3 (rev 09) 00:1d.3 USB controller: Intel Corporation 631xESB/632xESB/3100 Chipset UHCI USB Controller #4 (rev 09) 00:1d.7 USB controller: Intel Corporation 631xESB/632xESB/3100 Chipset EHCI USB2 Controller (rev 09) 07:05.0 USB controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xx/62xx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 62) 07:05.1 USB controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xx/62xx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 62) 07:05.2 USB controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB 2.0 (rev 65) 08:00.0 USB controller: Renesas Technology Corp. uPD720201 USB 3.0 Host Controller (rev 03) But if I plug the same disk into the USB3 card, I get the following rbthomas@monk:~$ lsusb Bus 001 Device 004: ID :0013 MacAlly Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0557:8021 ATEN International Co., Ltd CS1764A [CubiQ DVI KVMP Switch] Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0409:005a NEC Corp. HighSpeed Hub Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 008 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 010 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 009 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub rbthomas@monk:~$ lspci | grep -i usb 00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 631xESB/632xESB/3100 Chipset UHCI USB Controller #1 (rev 09) 00:1d.1 USB controller: Intel Corporation 631xESB/632xESB/3100 Chipset UHCI USB Controller #2 (rev 09) 00:1d.2 USB controller: Intel Corporation 631xESB/632xESB/3100 Chipset UHCI USB Controller #3 (rev 09) 00:1d.3 USB controller: Intel Corporation 631xESB/632xESB/3100 Chipset UHCI USB Controller #4 (rev 09) 00:1d.7 USB controller: Intel Corporation 631xESB/632xESB/3100 Chipset EHCI USB2 Controller (rev 09) 07:05.0 USB controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xx/62xx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 62) 07:05.1 USB controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xx/62xx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 62) 07:05.2 USB controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB 2.0 (rev 65) 08:00.0 USB controller: Renesas Technology Corp. uPD720201 USB 3.0 Host Controller (rev 03)
Re: the IBM keyboard
On Sun, August 30, 2015 9:29 pm, David Wright wrote: ... but can hardly be considered adequate for a power-user of a textual application where individual commands that have been used hundreds of times will be typed without any conscious effort at all, rather like a pianist plays ornaments. In that epoch of my career I was running Window$ (95 or 98 or whatever) -- rodent and all -- on a second machine, for typesetting with Aldus (now Adobe) PageMaker. The work of composition, however, was done exclusively on a DO$ machine running Word 5.0. This all was in the day before the advent of low-cost Ethernet with multi-conductor cables terminated in RJ-45 connectors; back then, networking generally was done with coaxial cable. But nonetheless, I had a network connecting the two machines -- sneaker net. So when an error by me or a blunder by PageMaker was discovered in the typeset output, I would go back to the master document in Word 5.0, make a change, and then copy the revised document file to floppy. (I think that, by that time, 3.5 inch floppies had become common, if not the standard.) Next, I would network the floppy to the drive of the Window$ machine, load the file into PageMaker, and typeset the document again. So even still today I am amazed by the ability in Debian to make a mouseless edit with EMacs, then, with a keystroke or two, switch to the terminal and typeset with a single command, and finally, with another keystroke, switch to the xdvi window and see the change -- all in a matter of seconds. Having learned PageMaker on the Macintosh and subsequently having migrated to PageMaker on the IBM-PC, I can say from experience that (at least, back then) PageMaker could not hold a candle to LaTeX. LaTeX was far more simple to use, and LaTeX produced far better quality of typesetting. So in the end, that Y2K bug in M$ Word 5.0 turned out to be a great blessing, and nothing less than Providential. RLH
Re: the IBM keyboard
Hi Doug, What a fine idea! I would much rather give this gem of a company my business than hunt aimlessly for someone to repair the cable as suggested by others. i am sure mine does not go that far back...yours must be such fun. Will get the numbers though and reach out to them. Thanks, kare On Mon, 31 Aug 2015, Doug wrote: On 08/30/2015 08:39 PM, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: On Sun, August 30, 2015 8:18 pm, Karen Lewellen wrote: Oh joy! forgive my nose, especially since I missed this post at first. Still, I am typing right now, this very moment, on a real IBM clicky keyboard! However the cable is starting to fray, and I was wondering if I would be able to replace this treasure...i. have. had. this. for. a. very! long time. Anyway, your link to this company may be a solution and I am sososososo happy! thanks, Kare The model M that I am typing on right now was made in 1964 (!) and it has a connector for the cable, so the company that refurbishes them can probably supply a cable, saving you the cost of a whole keyboard. Check yours, of course--I don't know if they were all made this way. If you contact the firm, you should first get all the numbers, etc. off your keyboard to get them on board, so to speak. --doug If the only problem is a cable, all you need to do is find a local technician who can replace the cable with the cable from one of the chinese keyboards which someone has tossed into the dumpster. Of course, most keyboards nowadays are USB. But most of us (myself included) have in the closet a keyboard or two which uses the old-style connector, if that is what you need. The technician would take the back cover off the keyboard, clip the leads of the old cable, attach the leads of the replacement cable, and replace the back cover. Soldering may be necessary, but that is simple for any technician. A fifteen-minute repair. For a local technicial, ask around. Almost any amateur radio operator should be competent. Look around your neighbourhood for a house with a large antenna or for a car with an amateur radio license plate. Failing that, if you have a local radio or television station, walk in with you keyboard in hand (and the old keyboard from which you are going to scavange the cable) and ask to see the technician. The cost of the repair? A box of donuts should do it. RLH
Re: Why does Debian not recognize my USB3 disk drive?
On 08/30/15 21:34, Rick Thomas wrote: I’ll plug in a disk and test it next chance I get, if you think it will help. Plugging the disk in after reboot shows nothing happening with the USB3 card. Plugging it into the USB2 card gets the expected [ 372.956020] usb 8-3: new high-speed USB device number 2 using ehci-pci [ 373.097430] usb 8-3: New USB device found, idVendor=05dc, idProduct=a838 [ 373.097434] usb 8-3: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3 [ 373.097437] usb 8-3: Product: USB Flash Drive [ 373.097439] usb 8-3: Manufacturer: Lexar [ 373.097442] usb 8-3: SerialNumber: AALBOCEKDL6LQK8A [ 373.129075] usb-storage 8-3:1.0: USB Mass Storage device detected [ 373.129229] scsi host5: usb-storage 8-3:1.0 [ 373.129364] usbcore: registered new interface driver usb-storage [ 373.143513] usbcore: registered new interface driver uas [ 374.434275] scsi 5:0:0:0: Direct-Access LexarUSB Flash Drive 1100 PQ: 0 ANSI: 6 [ 374.434685] sd 5:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg4 type 0 [ 374.436135] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdc] 62517248 512-byte logical blocks: (32.0 GB/29.8 GiB) [ 374.436998] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdc] Write Protect is off [ 374.437002] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdc] Mode Sense: 43 00 00 00 [ 374.437878] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdc] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA [ 374.453902] sdc: sdc1 sdc2 [ 374.458001] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI removable disk
Re: Why does Debian not recognize my USB3 disk drive?
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 09:34:41PM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote: On Aug 30, 2015, at 9:12 PM, CaT c...@zip.com.au wrote: On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 08:21:26PM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote: Am I missing a driver for the USB3 card? Are some USB3 chipsets not supported? Am I missing something important? Does 'dmesg' show that the drive is seen and a /dev device is allocated to it when you plug it into the USB3 card? There is no /dev allocated to the disk drive when plugged into the USB3 board. Three possibilities IMO: * cable too dodgy for USB3 but not dodgy enough for USB2 to fail :) * card is dodgy (do you know that it actually does work?) * drivers are dodgy (can happen - is there a newer kernel you can try?) -- A search of his car uncovered pornography, a homemade sex aid, women's stockings and a Jack Russell terrier. - http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/wacky/indeed/story-e6frev20-118083480
Re: Why does Debian not recognize my USB3 disk drive?
On Aug 30, 2015, at 8:35 PM, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: On Sun, August 30, 2015 10:21 pm, Rick Thomas wrote: I recently added a USB3 PCI card to my Dell Poweredge 1430 server box. ... Am I missing a driver for the USB3 card? Are some USB3 chipsets not supported? Am I missing something important? Have you installed gnome-disk-utility? RLH That package is installed, though it was installed automatically, not manually. Why do you ask? Rick
Re: Why does Debian not recognize my USB3 disk drive?
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 08:21:26PM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote: Am I missing a driver for the USB3 card? Are some USB3 chipsets not supported? Am I missing something important? Does 'dmesg' show that the drive is seen and a /dev device is allocated to it when you plug it into the USB3 card? rbthomas@monk:~$ lspci | grep -i usb try 'lspci -v | less' and find your card in there. See if there's a driver allocated to it. -- A search of his car uncovered pornography, a homemade sex aid, women's stockings and a Jack Russell terrier. - http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/wacky/indeed/story-e6frev20-118083480
Re: Why does Debian not recognize my USB3 disk drive?
On Aug 30, 2015, at 9:12 PM, CaT c...@zip.com.au wrote: On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 08:21:26PM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote: Am I missing a driver for the USB3 card? Are some USB3 chipsets not supported? Am I missing something important? Does 'dmesg' show that the drive is seen and a /dev device is allocated to it when you plug it into the USB3 card? There is no /dev allocated to the disk drive when plugged into the USB3 board. Typing “dmesg | less” and looking for ‘usb’ shows the following [1.022294] xhci_hcd :08:00.0: hcc params 0x014051c7 hci version 0x100 quirks 0x0010 [1.023891] usb usb2: New USB device found, idVendor=1d6b, idProduct=0002 [1.023895] usb usb2: New USB device strings: Mfr=3, Product=2, SerialNumber=1 [1.023898] usb usb2: Product: xHCI Host Controller [1.023900] usb usb2: Manufacturer: Linux 4.1.0-1-amd64 xhci-hcd [1.023903] usb usb2: SerialNumber: :08:00.0 [1.024123] hub 2-0:1.0: USB hub found [1.024141] hub 2-0:1.0: 4 ports detected [1.024370] xhci_hcd :08:00.0: xHCI Host Controller [1.024376] xhci_hcd :08:00.0: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 7 [1.025847] usb usb7: New USB device found, idVendor=1d6b, idProduct=0003 [1.025850] usb usb7: New USB device strings: Mfr=3, Product=2, SerialNumber=1 [1.025853] usb usb7: Product: xHCI Host Controller [1.025855] usb usb7: Manufacturer: Linux 4.1.0-1-amd64 xhci-hcd [1.025858] usb usb7: SerialNumber: :08:00.0 [1.026035] hub 7-0:1.0: USB hub found [1.026053] hub 7-0:1.0: 4 ports detected This appears to be happening during a reboot. There was no disk plugged into it at the time. I’ll plug in a disk and test it next chance I get, if you think it will help. rbthomas@monk:~$ lspci | grep -i usb try 'lspci -v | less' and find your card in there. See if there's a driver allocated to it. I get the following 08:00.0 USB controller: Renesas Technology Corp. uPD720201 USB 3.0 Host Controller (rev 03) (prog-if 30 [XHCI]) Subsystem: Renesas Technology Corp. uPD720201 USB 3.0 Host Controller Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 24 Memory at fd9fe000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=8K] Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 3 Capabilities: [70] MSI: Enable- Count=1/8 Maskable- 64bit+ Capabilities: [90] MSI-X: Enable+ Count=8 Masked- Capabilities: [a0] Express Endpoint, MSI 00 Kernel driver in use: xhci_hcd It appears to have a the xhci_hcd driver. Does that help? Rick
Re: Why does Debian not recognize my USB3 disk drive?
On Sun, August 30, 2015 11:08 pm, Rick Thomas wrote: On Aug 30, 2015, at 8:35 PM, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: Have you installed gnome-disk-utility? Why do you ask? When working with external drives, I constantly use gnome-disk-utility to mount and unmount, and generally to mount partitions of external drives (including USB sticks) to see what I have stored there. To me it is a basic tool. But it was not installed by default in my Debian Jessie installation; I had to install it. RLH
Re: Why does Debian not recognize my USB3 disk drive?
On Aug 30, 2015, at 11:17 PM, CaT c...@zip.com.au wrote: On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 09:34:41PM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote: On Aug 30, 2015, at 9:12 PM, CaT c...@zip.com.au wrote: On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 08:21:26PM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote: Am I missing a driver for the USB3 card? Are some USB3 chipsets not supported? Am I missing something important? Does 'dmesg' show that the drive is seen and a /dev device is allocated to it when you plug it into the USB3 card? There is no /dev allocated to the disk drive when plugged into the USB3 board. Three possibilities IMO: * cable too dodgy for USB3 but not dodgy enough for USB2 to fail :) * card is dodgy (do you know that it actually does work?) * drivers are dodgy (can happen - is there a newer kernel you can try?) Yet another possible possibility: * Is the disk backward compatible with USB2? If so, does it work with a USB2 card? Might get rid of some variables. -- Glenn English
Re: the IBM keyboard
[This quotes the missing post, which was accidentally sent off-list, in full] Quoting Carl Fink (c...@finknetwork.com): On 08/30/2015 10:29 PM, David Wright wrote: Quoting Carl Fink (c...@finknetwork.com): On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 07:54:11PM -0500, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: Eventually, at the stroke of midnight on 31 December A.D. 1999, M$ Word 5.0 for DO$ began writing garbage to the data files. This is one of the very few genuine Y2K bugs. M$ had no patch, but offered instead a free copy of Word 5.5. But who in his right mind would migrate to 5.5? Word 5.0 was the last version of Word for DO$ which could be used without aid of the rodent, and a rodent is anathema to efficiency. This is not supported by evidence, e.g. http://facweb.cs.depaul.edu/sjost/csc423/examples/anova/efficiency.pdf I'm struggling to see how this reference backs up your assertion. I doubt it. You may doubt it, but I have set out why I think the last three paragraphs of the conclusions carry more weight in favour of the keyboard than against it. All you have done is name the file. Here's Bruce Tognazzini (Nielsen's colleague at the Nielsen-Norman Design Group) on the subject: http://www.asktog.com/TOI/toi06KeyboardVMouse1.html Carl Once again, you've just named a file and left it at that. Looking at this page, the main argument against the keyboard appears to be that someone spent a cool $50 million of R D on the Apple Human Interface. There's no information about what was compared with what, unlike in the efficiency.pdf reference. Later on the author says Regardless, you have presented the standard argument that makes it seem logical that command keys would be faster. Unfortunately, experimental evidence does not support the argument. No reference. But as far as *this* discussion is concerned (ie Word), he writes the following: Hence, users achieve a significant productivity increase with the mouse in spite of their subjective experience. Not that any of the above True Facts will stop the religious wars. And, in fact, I find myself on the opposite side in at least one instance, namely editing. So the author agrees with RLH and not with you! Cheers, David.
Re: the IBM keyboard
On 08/30/2015 08:39 PM, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: On Sun, August 30, 2015 8:18 pm, Karen Lewellen wrote: Oh joy! forgive my nose, especially since I missed this post at first. Still, I am typing right now, this very moment, on a real IBM clicky keyboard! However the cable is starting to fray, and I was wondering if I would be able to replace this treasure...i. have. had. this. for. a. very! long time. Anyway, your link to this company may be a solution and I am sososososo happy! thanks, Kare The model M that I am typing on right now was made in 1964 (!) and it has a connector for the cable, so the company that refurbishes them can probably supply a cable, saving you the cost of a whole keyboard. Check yours, of course--I don't know if they were all made this way. If you contact the firm, you should first get all the numbers, etc. off your keyboard to get them on board, so to speak. --doug If the only problem is a cable, all you need to do is find a local technician who can replace the cable with the cable from one of the chinese keyboards which someone has tossed into the dumpster. Of course, most keyboards nowadays are USB. But most of us (myself included) have in the closet a keyboard or two which uses the old-style connector, if that is what you need. The technician would take the back cover off the keyboard, clip the leads of the old cable, attach the leads of the replacement cable, and replace the back cover. Soldering may be necessary, but that is simple for any technician. A fifteen-minute repair. For a local technicial, ask around. Almost any amateur radio operator should be competent. Look around your neighbourhood for a house with a large antenna or for a car with an amateur radio license plate. Failing that, if you have a local radio or television station, walk in with you keyboard in hand (and the old keyboard from which you are going to scavange the cable) and ask to see the technician. The cost of the repair? A box of donuts should do it. RLH
Re: Why does Debian not recognize my USB3 disk drive?
On 08/30/15 21:30, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: On Sun, August 30, 2015 11:08 pm, Rick Thomas wrote: On Aug 30, 2015, at 8:35 PM, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: Have you installed gnome-disk-utility? Why do you ask? When working with external drives, I constantly use gnome-disk-utility to mount and unmount, and generally to mount partitions of external drives (including USB sticks) to see what I have stored there. To me it is a basic tool. But it was not installed by default in my Debian Jessie installation; I had to install it. RLH Thanks for the pointer. I used to use palimpsest for this kind of thing when I wanted a GUI disk manager, but I went away in Jessie. This may be a suitable substitute. Unfortunately, it doesn't see the disk either when plugged into the USB3 card. Rick
