Re: Installing Debian on an android device

[deloptes]

Fungi4All wrote:

> On a previous question of why I hate such devices I think Joe has
> answered for me in most counts. I really believe they were designed
> from scratch to monitor every minute of anyone's life. Just in case
> at any point in the future some authority may want to back track the
> live profile of a certain state or corporate enemy. Which is
> understandable for industry to be exchanging favors and gifts, as this is
> the nature of the modern reverse welfare state.
> 

The hardware can not track your activities - it is the software

> 
> The latest interpretation of the bill of rights states that: you have the
> right to free speech as long as we know who is exercising the right and
> where we may find him/her in case we need to extract information at
> homeland.s basement, somewhere in nowhereland.

Haha - this is a good one - I am just wondering when americans will raise
up - you need a change over there - big change

> 
> There have been leaks by android hardware engineers that there is so
> many backdoors engineered within these systems that it is virtually
> impossible to ever make it secure (orbot developers have admitted to
> this but not given up entirely). The goal of a portable pocket
> size open architecture open source system seems to be possible but
> it comes with a cost. Just a display for one of those Berkeley open
> boards costs as much as a late model android tablet. Getting up to
> i-phone cost with something that will end up being 4 times as big and
> heavy is a sport for the affluent.

Again mixing up hardware with software - the software is android - not the
hardware

> For scientific field work android seems very poor, while in idiotic
> gadgets and games they are unbelievably wealthy. So even a
> jailed vm of debian being able to run apps on the run maybe just
> what it may be good for. The only reason it ended up in my hands
> is that someone was really fed up with stalled applications after
> a year that the 4core system with 1/2Meg Ram had 0 value.

hehe - android can not execute processes in parallel 

> Great battery still. This is a lollypop and I also have a previous
> model with a dead sealed wired battery and 1M ram. So I could
> possibly end up with a good one. Soldering explosives is my
> second hobby to hacking this device which I am better at :)
> Back to gnuroot debian, I managed to get lxde to run and upgraded
> to buster, not broken yet. This was done with xserver xsdl which is
> a ton more realistic than xsdl's app called debian with xfce.
> If you play around with mouse/touch conf it ends up acting almost
> as a real touch screen. This all depends to your tolerance to frisbie
> throwing gadgets.
> Can you hack/pen test your device from inwards attacking its ip?
> Anyway, it is a learning experience.

I think you have to buy Nokia N9 or newer SailFish OS device ;-)

regards

Re: Configuration fstab pour HD usb

[bernard . schoenacker]

- Mail original -
> De: "list" 
> À: debian-user-french@lists.debian.org
> Envoyé: Dimanche 9 Juillet 2017 05:17:18
> Objet: Re: Configuration fstab pour HD usb
> 
> Bonjour LA liste !
> 
> Merci à tous pour vos conseils.
> Je n'avais pas du tout pensé aux UUID effectivement.
> 
> Je ne savais même pas qu'un paquet udisks2 existait - Stretch
> fraichement installée. Je vais tester avec une simple clef USB.
> 
> Je ne suis pas sur une utilisation serveur, mais simple utilisateur,
> copie des fichiers «à la mano» quand nécessaire.
> 
> Merci à tous !
> Merci LA liste.
> 
> 
bonjour,

pour te faciliter le travail tu peut utiliser mc

slt
benrard

Re: Configuration fstab pour HD usb

[list]

Bonjour LA liste ! 

Merci à tous pour vos conseils.
Je n'avais pas du tout pensé aux UUID effectivement.

Je ne savais même pas qu'un paquet udisks2 existait - Stretch
fraichement installée. Je vais tester avec une simple clef USB.

Je ne suis pas sur une utilisation serveur, mais simple utilisateur,
copie des fichiers «à la mano» quand nécessaire.

Merci à tous !
Merci LA liste.

Re: recherche à remplacer un cms

[Pierre L.]

Dans nextcloud, avec ton compte d'administration, tu peux ajouter
l'application "calendar".
Une fois activée, tes utilisateurs (ou groupe selon tes réglages),
pourront utiliser/créer/partager des agendas à leur guise.
Un petit onglet apparaîtra alors en haut à gauche de ton interface
nextcloud.

Ensuite, plusieurs clients pour utiliser ce service, par exemple
Thunderbird... ou on pourra afficher/modifier plusieurs agendas distants
(partagés et/ou personnels).

En espérant ne pas être trop à coté de la plaque par rapport à ta requête ;)



Le 08/07/2017 à 18:39, bernard.schoenac...@free.fr a écrit :
> bonjour,
> pour nextcloud je fait comment pour adjoindre le calendrier ou l'agenda ?
>
> slt
> bernard




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Re: debian wiki

[Eduardo M KALINOWSKI]

On 8 de julho de 2017 17:16, Fungi4All wrote:
> I thought only sites for idiots like gloogloo pick on their own the language 
> of
> the menus based on locale/ip even though the language is nowhere used on
> this pc.  But debian-wiki will pick and not reverse the choice?  Even though
> I choose english the drop boxes and menus are an another language based
> on IP.  This makes life hard for traveling users.

It's probably based not on your IP, but on headers sent by your browser 
(Accept-Language or something like that). There should be somewhere in the 
settings where you can change that. At least on Firefox there is. 

Re: Advice on Debian installation

[Pascal Hambourg]

Le 09/07/2017 à 00:30, Fungi4All a écrit :

From: jode...@gmail.com
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Do you even bother to read other people posts? He wants to install
Debian where Ubuntu install is. He wants to replace it.


why worry about ubuntu grub if it gets erased intentionally, it doesn't make
sense.


Depending on how GRUB is installed by the Debian Installer, a non 
functional part of Ubuntu GRUB might remain and cause confusion.

Re: How to gain control over the system?

[davidson]

On Sat, 8 Jul 2017, Kaj Persson wrote:


Hi all,

Anyone having an idea how to get back the command over my desktop,
including the panels? Until two weeks ago I ran Debian 8 ("jessie"),
but after a unsuccessful clean-up operation the whole system became
totally corrupted, and I decided to to a complete new install of the
new Debian 9 ("stretch") and Mate (which I was using in jessie
too). I was using the live DVD put on a memory stick.


As they say[1],[2],[3], do not use a live image for installs.

1. https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/06/msg00723.html
2. https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/06/msg00740.html
3. https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/06/msg00755.html

--
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President?"
Hunter S Thompson, 1972

Re: How to gain control over the system?

[Fungi4All]

> From: oflam...@gmail.com
> To: Kaj Persson <70147pers...@telia.com>, debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Did you remember to reconfigure sudo? What Desktop Environment are you
> using?

He said Mate

> On Sat, 2017-07-08 at 23:57 +0200, Kaj Persson wrote:
>> But now I discovered an issue, I cannot manage my desktop. I have
>> always at the previous installations, and they are quite many now, been
>> advised to, for security reason, leave the root password unset, which causes
>> the root account go passive, and for all tasks where I need root
>> authority I go via su/sudo.

It is a bad idea despite of what security gurus may advise. You may lose your 
system
and never get it back.

>> But I cannot control the panels, I have two of them, one on
>> top
>>

A user should not need sudo rights to edit the conf files in the desktop.
It is all stored in the /home/*user* subdirectory, while as root your home
is /root. Chances are the access rights in your home directory have been
restricted, so you need to give yourself as a user the rights back.
As a su you should not be able to alter the /home/user directories.
What I suspect you've done is copy the /home from an old system
which transfered the rights of that system and from a different user.
Let's say in that system your username was mate99 and so it is in the
new system. But the user id in that system was user 1003 and now
you are user 1001. 1001 will not be able to adjust conf. files for user
1003. If you open the filemanager and your desktop folder is owned
by a user 1003 (or some number) then you need to switch the rights
of all your home/user stuff to be owned by mate99

Re: debian wiki

[davidson]

On Sat, 8 Jul 2017, Fungi4All wrote:


I thought only sites for idiots like gloogloo pick on their own the
language of the menus based on locale/ip even though the language is
nowhere used on this pc. But debian-wiki will pick and not reverse
the choice? Even though I choose english the drop boxes and menus
are an another language based on IP. This makes life hard for
traveling users.


I suspect this concern of yours could be more fruitfully discussed on
the debian-www mailing list:

  https://lists.debian.org/debian-www/

| Web pages design and maintenance
|
|Design, structure and translation of Debian web pages. All
|important changes to the web site are announced here as well.
|
|This list is not moderated; posting is allowed by anyone.
|
|Posting address: debian-...@lists.debian.org

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judge.
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Re: Advice on Debian installation

[Fungi4All]

> From: jode...@gmail.com
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Do you even bother to read other people posts? He wants to install
> Debian where Ubuntu install is. He wants to replace it.

why worry about ubuntu grub if it gets erased intentionally, it doesn't make
sense.

Re: How to gain control over the system?

[Oflameo]

Did you remember to reconfigure sudo? What Desktop Environment are you
using?

On Sat, 2017-07-08 at 23:57 +0200, Kaj Persson wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Anyone having an idea how to get back the command over my desktop, 
> including the panels? Until two weeks ago I ran Debian 8 ("jessie"),
> but 
> after a unsuccessful clean-up operation the whole system became
> totally 
> corrupted, and I decided to to a complete new install of the new
> Debian 
> 9 ("stretch") and Mate (which I was using in jessie too). I was
> using 
> the live DVD put on a memory stick. All went fine, and the system 
> started without problems. I was happy to notice that I could now use
> the 
> Nouveau driver for the screen. Until now I have had to use the
> nVidia 
> driver certainly without problems, but it is good being able to use
> free 
> software.
> 
> But now I discovered an issue, I cannot manage my desktop. I have
> always 
> at the previous installations, and they are quite many now, been
> advised 
> to, for security reason, leave the root password unset, which causes
> the 
> root account go passive, and for all tasks where I need root
> authority I 
> go via su/sudo. It has always worked fine, and this using su/sudo
> still 
> does. But I cannot control the panels, I have two of them, one on
> top 
> intended for icons of my most used programs, as a kind of favourite 
> menu, and one at bottom where the active programmes appear as
> buttons. 
> The bottom panel is working mostly as I want, but I cannot add new
> apps 
> to it, e.g. the window switch, I used to have. And I cannot add the 
> program icons to top panel. Via a right click on a program menu item
> I 
> have the option "Put this to the panel" (well, possibly not the
> correct 
> words, this is a home made translation from my Swedish version),
> but, 
> when trying to select that, nothing happens.
> 
> However the related options to save icon to the desktop works fine,
> and 
> I can also sort the icons to what I find useful, but it does not
> survive 
> a cold start. All the icons come back in some kind of default order, 
> which I have not been able found out. It is at least not alphabetic.
> 
> So can someone help me get the command back, or do I have to make a
> new 
> reinstall, hoping for better luck. Possibly setting a password on
> the 
> Admin, hence activating that account, which I would prefer not having
> to.
> 
> Thank you in advance
> Kaj
> 

How to gain control over the system?

[Kaj Persson]

Hi all,

Anyone having an idea how to get back the command over my desktop, 
including the panels? Until two weeks ago I ran Debian 8 ("jessie"), but 
after a unsuccessful clean-up operation the whole system became totally 
corrupted, and I decided to to a complete new install of the new Debian 
9 ("stretch") and Mate (which I was using in jessie too). I was using 
the live DVD put on a memory stick. All went fine, and the system 
started without problems. I was happy to notice that I could now use the 
Nouveau driver for the screen. Until now I have had to use the nVidia 
driver certainly without problems, but it is good being able to use free 
software.


But now I discovered an issue, I cannot manage my desktop. I have always 
at the previous installations, and they are quite many now, been advised 
to, for security reason, leave the root password unset, which causes the 
root account go passive, and for all tasks where I need root authority I 
go via su/sudo. It has always worked fine, and this using su/sudo still 
does. But I cannot control the panels, I have two of them, one on top 
intended for icons of my most used programs, as a kind of favourite 
menu, and one at bottom where the active programmes appear as buttons. 
The bottom panel is working mostly as I want, but I cannot add new apps 
to it, e.g. the window switch, I used to have. And I cannot add the 
program icons to top panel. Via a right click on a program menu item I 
have the option "Put this to the panel" (well, possibly not the correct 
words, this is a home made translation from my Swedish version), but, 
when trying to select that, nothing happens.


However the related options to save icon to the desktop works fine, and 
I can also sort the icons to what I find useful, but it does not survive 
a cold start. All the icons come back in some kind of default order, 
which I have not been able found out. It is at least not alphabetic.


So can someone help me get the command back, or do I have to make a new 
reinstall, hoping for better luck. Possibly setting a password on the 
Admin, hence activating that account, which I would prefer not having to.


Thank you in advance
Kaj

Re: Advice on Debian installation

[Dejan Jocic]

On 08-07-17, Fungi4All wrote:
> From: sebastian.luna.val...@gmail.com
> 
> > Great, many thanks for your quick replies!
> > Will try that, fingers crossed!
> 
> Don't listen to those ubuntu haters, nothing will happen.
> Leave it as is. When debian installs its version of grub
> on /dev/sda it will be in control and provide you boot entries
> for win7, ubuntu, and Debian. If you log back to Ubuntu
> and $sudo grub-install /dev/sda
> $sudo update-grub it will gain back control and create
> the same boot entries for all three but ubuntu will be
> first choice. At least this way you will not have to look
> at the ugly green debian snail screen when you wake
> up in the morning! :)
> As long as you are not including an Arch/Manjaro
> installation you will be fine with either grub. I have had
> up to seven of them (it only takes a few kb of space).
> Delete the ubuntu partition and you will be OK!
> Tell this to the ausie guy that installed stretch from scratch and
> lost all networking! 3-4 days ago. At least this man can download
> all the gpg stuff and the deb files that were needed from ubuntu
> and pass them to the half broken isolated debian installation.
> Just keep your fingers crossed and debian might even work
> first time around.

Do you even bother to read other people posts? He wants to install
Debian where Ubuntu install is. He wants to replace it.

Re: Advice on Debian installation

[Fungi4All]

From: sebastian.luna.val...@gmail.com

> Great, many thanks for your quick replies!
> Will try that, fingers crossed!

Don't listen to those ubuntu haters, nothing will happen.
Leave it as is. When debian installs its version of grub
on /dev/sda it will be in control and provide you boot entries
for win7, ubuntu, and Debian. If you log back to Ubuntu
and $sudo grub-install /dev/sda
$sudo update-grub it will gain back control and create
the same boot entries for all three but ubuntu will be
first choice. At least this way you will not have to look
at the ugly green debian snail screen when you wake
up in the morning! :)
As long as you are not including an Arch/Manjaro
installation you will be fine with either grub. I have had
up to seven of them (it only takes a few kb of space).
Delete the ubuntu partition and you will be OK!
Tell this to the ausie guy that installed stretch from scratch and
lost all networking! 3-4 days ago. At least this man can download
all the gpg stuff and the deb files that were needed from ubuntu
and pass them to the half broken isolated debian installation.
Just keep your fingers crossed and debian might even work
first time around.

debian wiki

[Fungi4All]

I thought only sites for idiots like gloogloo pick on their own the language of
the menus based on locale/ip even though the language is nowhere used on
this pc. But debian-wiki will pick and not reverse the choice? Even though
I choose english the drop boxes and menus are an another language based
on IP. This makes life hard for traveling users.

Re: Installing Debian on an android device

[Fungi4All]

> UTC Time: July 8, 2017 7:50 AM
> From: j...@jretrading.com
> On Sat, 08 Jul 2017 09:06:51 +0200
> deloptes  wrote:
>> I am following the work of Jolla (SailFish OS) and their community
>> ports, but honestly without (Android) apps  what do you use this
>> device for? I think Ubuntu has also project targeting mobile devices.
> I think that the Holy Grail for many people is a genuinely pocket-sized
> computer with Internet, GPS, etc., running a real, general-purpose
> operating system, not a marketing medium. I have an Acer One netbook,
> which is nearly what I want except for the size. But then, I do like a
> real keyboard, that doesn"t disappear just as a web form is about to
> time out...

On a previous question of why I hate such devices I think Joe has
answered for me in most counts. I really believe they were designed
from scratch to monitor every minute of anyone's life. Just in case
at any point in the future some authority may want to back track the
live profile of a certain state or corporate enemy. Which is understandable
for industry to be exchanging favors and gifts, as this is the nature of
the modern reverse welfare state.

> There may also be the hope that with a proper OS, they will control the
> device instead of just about anyone on the planet who wants to track
> the owner, collect his data or listen in. That"s probably not a
> realistic goal.

There is a small percentage of conscious resistors.

> The manufacturers of tablets and smartphones are almost certainly under
> some pressure to make it as difficult as possible to run an alternative
> OS, in addition to the commercial pressure, of course. It"s quite
> noticeable that the last couple of versions of Windows have tried quite
> hard to discourage people from using non-Microsoft-approved
> applications, and to make it appear that an account with Microsoft is
> essential in order to even use the computer. That"s the direction we"re
> heading in, not the other way.

The latest interpretation of the bill of rights states that: you have the right
to free speech as long as we know who is exercising the right and where
we may find him/her in case we need to extract information at homeland.s
basement, somewhere in nowhereland.

> --
> Joe

There have been leaks by android hardware engineers that there is so
many backdoors engineered within these systems that it is virtually
impossible to ever make it secure (orbot developers have admitted to
this but not given up entirely). The goal of a portable pocket
size open architecture open source system seems to be possible but
it comes with a cost. Just a display for one of those Berkeley open
boards costs as much as a late model android tablet. Getting up to
i-phone cost with something that will end up being 4 times as big and
heavy is a sport for the affluent.
For scientific field work android seems very poor, while in idiotic
gadgets and games they are unbelievably wealthy. So even a
jailed vm of debian being able to run apps on the run maybe just
what it may be good for. The only reason it ended up in my hands
is that someone was really fed up with stalled applications after
a year that the 4core system with 1/2Meg Ram had 0 value.
Great battery still. This is a lollypop and I also have a previous
model with a dead sealed wired battery and 1M ram. So I could
possibly end up with a good one. Soldering explosives is my
second hobby to hacking this device which I am better at :)
Back to gnuroot debian, I managed to get lxde to run and upgraded
to buster, not broken yet. This was done with xserver xsdl which is
a ton more realistic than xsdl's app called debian with xfce.
If you play around with mouse/touch conf it ends up acting almost
as a real touch screen. This all depends to your tolerance to frisbie
throwing gadgets.
Can you hack/pen test your device from inwards attacking its ip?
Anyway, it is a learning experience.

Re: Si seulement tu savais combien je suis épuisée de cette solitude Clemence

[Tardivel Véronique]

(y) 

Le Samedi 8 juillet 2017 20h51, Tardivel Véronique 
 a écrit :
 

  

Le Mercredi 5 juillet 2017 10h44, Clemence Roysle  a 
écrit :
 

   Voudrais-tu être mon étoile polaire ce soir? 
http://bit.ly/2sLzkoW 

 

   

Re: Si seulement tu savais combien je suis épuisée de cette solitude Clemence

[Tardivel Véronique]

 

Le Mercredi 5 juillet 2017 10h44, Clemence Roysle  a 
écrit :
 

   Voudrais-tu être mon étoile polaire ce soir? 
http://bit.ly/2sLzkoW 

   

Re: Advice on Debian installation

[Sebastian Luna Valero]

​Great, many thanks for your quick replies!

Will try that, fingers crossed!

Re: "Bad file descriptor" error when restoring file

[Reco]

Hi.

On Sat, 8 Jul 2017 20:42:00 +0200
Pétùr  wrote:

> Le 08/07/2017 à 18:34, Reco a écrit :
> >> Any idea?
> >>
> >> $ duplicity restore --gio --time=2017-07-06T08:14:08Z --force
> >> file:///home/pierre/data/backup_pierre / --verbosity=9
> >> --gpg-options=--no-use-agent --archive-dir=/home/pierre/.cache/deja-dup
> >> --tempdir=/tmp --log-fd=22
> > Sure. Don't ask duplicity to log its actions to file descriptor 22, as
> > it is highly unlikely to be open.
> > Skip '--log-fd' altogether.
> 
> Thanks, it fixes the problem indeed.

Just as planned ☺.

> I had this one issue with my SSD (erratic behavior, many errors and
> corrupted files), smartmontools says it is clean now and the ssd is less
> than one year old. fsck fixes the errors. *Am I good to do after
> reinstalling the backup (so good version not corrupted of files)?* Or
> should I do a complete reinstallation of Debian?

I'd replace the drive altogether. It failed you once, after all, don't
give the thing a second chance.
On the very least, I'd disable NCQ *and* get rid of 'discard' mount
option where possible *and* refresh drive firmware. Installing the
kernel from the backports is also a valid option. You may be (un)lucky
to get that kind of SSD that tend to corrupt data if you look at it the
wrong way.

And do not trust smartctl. It's good for conventional drives that have
a courtesy to warn you before they die. SSDs usually die first, and
maybe smartctl will warn you later ;)

I see a little point of reinstalling the whole system. As long as it
boots and gives you a root access - there's nothing that can't be fixed
in the system itself with good old 'apt-get install --reinstall'.

And you have a backup of user data, so there's nothing of value would
be lost in any case.


> In fact, I wonder if there is a different between a repaired file-system
> and a newly formated one in term of reliability?

Not in your case. I predict that you'll see more filesystem-related
faults with the root cause being faulty SSD. And it's impossible (to my
best knowledge) to repair a drive with mkfs.

Reco

Re: "Bad file descriptor" error when restoring file

[Pétùr]

Le 08/07/2017 à 18:37, Nicolas George a écrit :
> Le decadi 20 messidor, an CCXXV, Nicolas George a écrit :
>> This specific error message is always the sign of a severe bug in the
>> program.
> Hum, I had not imagined the wrong file descriptor was requested on
> purpose. The severe bug was not in the program but in the caller.

Indeed, it is really shocking that deja-dup fails to produce a correct
backup with its default behavior. This front-end should be removed from
the repository.

That is said, there is still the need for nice, user friendly, front-end
for duplicity for those who don't want to use a command-line program. Is
there such front-end, reliable and intuitive?

Pétùr

Re: Advice on Debian installation

[Pascal Hambourg]

Le 08/07/2017 à 20:10, Sebastian Luna Valero a écrit :


I have a dual-boot laptop with Ubuntu 12.04 LTS and Windows 7. I am
planning to install the latest Debian 9 LTS on the partition where Ubuntu
is currently installed.


Note that Debian 9 is not yet LTS and won't be before a long time.
The current LTS is Debian 7 "Wheezy". A release eventually becomes LTS 
only after normal support has ended, one year after becoming oldstable.



Since grub is already available on the laptop, does anyone know what will
happy when I install grub again with Debian?


It depends where Ubuntu installed GRUB, and where Debian will install 
it. Anyway, some parts of GRUB are in /boot, so GRUB must be reinstalled 
if you're going to wipe /boot.

Re: "Bad file descriptor" error when restoring file

[Pétùr]

Le 08/07/2017 à 18:34, Reco a écrit :
>> Any idea?
>>
>> $ duplicity restore --gio --time=2017-07-06T08:14:08Z --force
>> file:///home/pierre/data/backup_pierre / --verbosity=9
>> --gpg-options=--no-use-agent --archive-dir=/home/pierre/.cache/deja-dup
>> --tempdir=/tmp --log-fd=22
> Sure. Don't ask duplicity to log its actions to file descriptor 22, as
> it is highly unlikely to be open.
> Skip '--log-fd' altogether.

Thanks, it fixes the problem indeed.

I am quite disappointed by deja-dup front-end as Nicolas George points
out and I will recommend to not use it. I will directly use duplicity
instead in the future.

So I have my backup but I wonder what is the best behavior in my situation?

I had this one issue with my SSD (erratic behavior, many errors and
corrupted files), smartmontools says it is clean now and the ssd is less
than one year old. fsck fixes the errors. *Am I good to do after
reinstalling the backup (so good version not corrupted of files)?* Or
should I do a complete reinstallation of Debian?

In fact, I wonder if there is a different between a repaired file-system
and a newly formated one in term of reliability?

Pétùr

Re: Advice on Debian installation

[Brian]

On Sat 08 Jul 2017 at 19:10:23 +0100, Sebastian Luna Valero wrote:

> I have a dual-boot laptop with Ubuntu 12.04 LTS and Windows 7. I am
> planning to install the latest Debian 9 LTS on the partition where Ubuntu
> is currently installed.
> 
> Since grub is already available on the laptop, does anyone know what will
> happy when I install grub again with Debian?

Delete the Ubuntu partition at the partitioning stage and later on
install GRUB. All will be well.

Advice on Debian installation

[Sebastian Luna Valero]

Hello,

I have a dual-boot laptop with Ubuntu 12.04 LTS and Windows 7. I am
planning to install the latest Debian 9 LTS on the partition where Ubuntu
is currently installed.

Since grub is already available on the laptop, does anyone know what will
happy when I install grub again with Debian?

Any suggestions are highly appreciated.

Best regards,
Sebastian

Envoye d une balle

[christophe.francart81]

Dispo pour parler et toi



Envoyé depuis mon appareil mobile Samsung.

Re: stop your mail

[Nicolas George]

Le decadi 20 messidor, an CCXXV, Thomas Schmitt a écrit :
> But then why don't we ever see the original messages to which
> the alleged repliers raise protest ?

Because they do not exist, of course. These messages are the spam,
themselves. The pretend "leave me alone" prologue is just to disguise
that status and attract your attention until you read the quoted text.

The messages without spammy content in the quoted text are probably
decoys to confuse the automated or mental filters even more.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George


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Re: stop your mail

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> Either someone has managed to force-subscribe them to the list

The messages don't have "LDOSUBSCRIBER" in their "X-Spam-Status:"
headers. This indicates that the sender's mail address is not
subscribed. The sender as person might be subscribed by a different
address or might get forwarded messages which the list sends to
a subscribed address.

But then why don't we ever see the original messages to which
the alleged repliers raise protest ?

I wonder whether smartphone mail apps have a "Smack Sender" button,
which would explain the shallow-minded replies.


> By experience, such patterns don't persist for long enough to be
> worth the hassle of piling up yet another rule which quickly becomes
> obsolete. But if it persists...

The mails already aren't very far from reaching the threshold:
  X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.3 required=4.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,
DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VERIFIED,FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,HTML_MESSAGE,
RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0
compared to yours:
  X-Spam-Status: No, score=-16.0 required=4.0 tests=FVGT_m_MULTI_ODD,
LDOSUBSCRIBER,LDO_WHITELIST,PGPSIGNATURE,RP_MATCHES_RCVD
autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0


i wrote:
> > Can real people be that stupid ?

Fung4all wrote:
> Look at how many people are NOT protesting the G20 [...]

It's an intelligence test. You pass if you do anything more useful
than standing near a few love parades and the expectable hooligan-police
brawl while the big shots are yawning in a ridiculously overdesigned
concert hall.


> with your digital identifying device in your pocket and wearing a hood.
> That scores lower in IQ than Trump.

Yep. Der Schwarze Block and our police leadership deserve each other.
Like Bob (http://monstersvsaliens.wikia.com/wiki/B.O.B.) they would
be dangerous if they had a brain.


> How about an image file send with every subscription with a 18 digit
> random code you would have to type manually to activate?

Doesn't this list send confirmation requests with a long random
URL and/or mail reply code as answer on subscription requests ?
But whatever, as said, the repliers are not subscribed and the alleged
original messages are not spread by our mailing list.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Connexion Actioncam wifi et linux

[judith]

On sam., 2017-07-08 at 16:44 +0200, C. Mourad Jaber wrote:
> Bonjour,
> 
> Je cherche un logiciel pour pouvoir contrôler une "Action Cam" (genre
> clone de GoPro) à 
> partir d'un laptop sous debian, voir même de capturer le flux vidéo
> directement ?
> 
> J'ai trouvé des applications sur Android (et testé avec succés), et
> l'API de communication 
> semble assez standardisée... Mais pas de chance sous linux ou bien
> des logiciels payants...
> 
> Une idée ?
> 
> ++
> 
> Mourad
> 
> exemple
timelapse Kdenlive

http://www.gopro-forum.com/t6293-timelapse-avec-kdenlive-sous-linux
-- 
judith 
GREUBE SYSTÈME SÉCURITÉ HUMAINE PLANÉTAIRE

Re: mplayer won't play audio CD

[deloptes]

Wellington Terumi Uemura wrote:

> Now I just want the damn thing to work

For this reason I use Trinity Desktop ;-) - it just works - the old fashion
way.

Re: mplayer won't play audio CD

[deloptes]

Wellington Terumi Uemura wrote:

> I'm looking for Improved signal-to-noise ratio (SNR), True 24-bit @
> 192kHz audio playback, no humans hear that, still I have hardware to do
> some test with, low latency, players that doesn't click or pops, you
> know, the good stuff.

So you must know that the source should be coded this way otherwise it makes
no sense. In todays world of mp3 crippled audio, I am not sure you find
high quality coded stuff that easy.

You better grab a some vinil from your grandma ;-)

Re: I was hoping we could have a closer acquaintance Margaret

[MICHAEL TURNER]

Pardon?
 

On Friday, 7 July 2017, 21:28, Margaret Tampwnz  
wrote:
 

   Will you reveal me what do you like? 
http://bitly.com/2sW6CSv 

   

Re: stop your mail

[Michael Fothergill]

On 8 July 2017 at 16:52, Fungi4All  wrote:

>
> From: scdbac...@gmx.net
>
> Hi,
> (Can real people be that stupid ? Is this the proof for
> brain damage caused by mobile phones ?)
>
>
> Look at how many people are NOT protesting the G20, or
> the earth's summit of earth destroyers.  This is how bad this
> epidemic of IQ drainage has gotten.  It is all sucked through
> FB and chasing pokemen.
>
> Maybe our list"s spam filter could give such phrases a spam rating
> sufficent to drop them if the sender is not subscribed ?
>
>
> How about an image file send with every subscription with a 18 digit
> random code you would have to type manually to activate?  Then use
> something like an encryption key to post to the list, so fake headers
> get blocked.
>
>
​How about voice encryption software that has recordings of each of us
singing our favourite Engelbert Humperdinck and/or Tom Jones songs...?

​ie a Mars Attack style defence mechanism where the would be hacker would
do insane trying to create the perfect rendition and upload it to the
list...

Cheers

MF

> Have a nice day :)
>
>
> What is even worse than smart-phoniasis is protesting in Hamburg
> with your digital identifying device in your pocket and wearing a hood.
> That scores lower in IQ than Trump.
>
> Have a great night
>

Re: recherche à remplacer un cms

[bernard . schoenacker]

- Mail original -
> De: "Pierre L." 
> À: debian-user-french@lists.debian.org
> Envoyé: Samedi 8 Juillet 2017 18:21:03
> Objet: Re: recherche à remplacer un cms
> 
> Salut Bernard,
> 
> Pour le coté CMS avec features forum + wiki, par exemple tu peux
> aller
> jeter un oeil du coté de :
> http://b2evolution.net/man/introduction/
> 
> Pour les calendriers + documents, nextcloud n'arrive pas à te
> satisfaire
> pleinement ? Besoin de plus de trucs pour la gestion ou autre ?
> 
> ++

bonjour,

pour nextcloud je fait comment pour adjoindre le calendrier ou l'agenda ?

slt
bernard

Re: "Bad file descriptor" error when restoring file

[Nicolas George]

Le decadi 20 messidor, an CCXXV, Nicolas George a écrit :
> This specific error message is always the sign of a severe bug in the
> program.

Hum, I had not imagined the wrong file descriptor was requested on
purpose. The severe bug was not in the program but in the caller.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George


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Re: "Bad file descriptor" error when restoring file

[Nicolas George]

Le decadi 20 messidor, an CCXXV, Pétùr a écrit :
> "OSError: [Errno 9] Bad file descriptor"

This specific error message is always the sign of a severe bug in the
program. One that leaves 0 confidence in said program.

If it comes from you backup program, it is entirely possible your
backups have been toast for a long time. Whether you manage to restore
them or not (I cannot help you for that, sorry), you should probably
look for another backup program immediately after the situation is
stabilized.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George


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Re: "Bad file descriptor" error when restoring file

[Reco]

Hi.

On Sat, 8 Jul 2017 18:28:49 +0200
Pétùr  wrote:

 
> Any idea?
> 
> $ duplicity restore --gio --time=2017-07-06T08:14:08Z --force
> file:///home/pierre/data/backup_pierre / --verbosity=9
> --gpg-options=--no-use-agent --archive-dir=/home/pierre/.cache/deja-dup
> --tempdir=/tmp --log-fd=22

Sure. Don't ask duplicity to log its actions to file descriptor 22, as
it is highly unlikely to be open.
Skip '--log-fd' altogether.

Reco

"Bad file descriptor" error when restoring file

[Pétùr]

In brief : my SSD seems to have crashed (system erratic behavior
suddently). Debian asks for a fsck at reboot. fsck fixes a lot of
errors. I reboot with the default configuration of Xfce which means the
config files were damaged -> restoring previous week backup.

So, I am trying to restore a backup made with deja-dup. The recovery
gets stuck quickly.

I tried to pass the duplicity command manually and here is the error :

"OSError: [Errno 9] Bad file descriptor"

It happens no matter which backup I choose to restore.

I am running Debian unstable.

Any idea?

$ duplicity restore --gio --time=2017-07-06T08:14:08Z --force
file:///home/pierre/data/backup_pierre / --verbosity=9
--gpg-options=--no-use-agent --archive-dir=/home/pierre/.cache/deja-dup
--tempdir=/tmp --log-fd=22
Warning: Option --gio is pending deprecation and will be removed in a
future release.
Use of default filenames is strongly suggested.
Using temporary directory /tmp/duplicity-LTZSjM-tempdir
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/duplicity", line 1553, in 
with_tempdir(main)
  File "/usr/bin/duplicity", line 1547, in with_tempdir
fn()
  File "/usr/bin/duplicity", line 1382, in main
action = commandline.ProcessCommandLine(sys.argv[1:])
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/duplicity/commandline.py", line
1096, in ProcessCommandLine
args = parse_cmdline_options(cmdline_list)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/duplicity/commandline.py", line
637, in parse_cmdline_options
(options, args) = parser.parse_args()
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/optparse.py", line 1400, in parse_args
stop = self._process_args(largs, rargs, values)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/optparse.py", line 1440, in _process_args
self._process_long_opt(rargs, values)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/optparse.py", line 1515, in _process_long_opt
option.process(opt, value, values, self)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/optparse.py", line 789, in process
self.action, self.dest, opt, value, values, parser)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/duplicity/commandline.py", line
197, in take_action
self, action, dest, opt, value, values, parser)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/optparse.py", line 809, in take_action
self.callback(self, opt, value, parser, *args, **kwargs)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/duplicity/commandline.py", line
452, in 
callback=lambda o, s, v, p: set_log_fd(v))
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/duplicity/commandline.py", line
242, in set_log_fd
log.add_fd(fd)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/duplicity/log.py", line 403, in
add_fd
handler = logging.StreamHandler(os.fdopen(fd, 'w'))
OSError: [Errno 9] Bad file descriptor

Re: recherche à remplacer un cms

[Pierre L.]

Salut Bernard,

Pour le coté CMS avec features forum + wiki, par exemple tu peux aller
jeter un oeil du coté de :
http://b2evolution.net/man/introduction/

Pour les calendriers + documents, nextcloud n'arrive pas à te satisfaire
pleinement ? Besoin de plus de trucs pour la gestion ou autre ?

++


Le 03/07/2017 à 11:26, bernard.schoenac...@free.fr a écrit :
> bonjour,
>
> comme j'ai quelques misères avec un cms (phpboost) qui n'évolue guère ...
>
> je recherche comme fonction :
>
> calendrier partagé
> forum
> wiki
> gestion de documents
>
> sachant que j'ai déjà un nextcloud qui tourne bien
> mais qui ne fait pas tout 
>
> slt
> bernard
>




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Re: stop your mail

[Fungi4All]

> From: scdbac...@gmx.net
> Hi,
> (Can real people be that stupid ? Is this the proof for
> brain damage caused by mobile phones ?)

Look at how many people are NOT protesting the G20, or
the earth's summit of earth destroyers. This is how bad this
epidemic of IQ drainage has gotten. It is all sucked through
FB and chasing pokemen.

> Maybe our list"s spam filter could give such phrases a spam rating
> sufficent to drop them if the sender is not subscribed ?

How about an image file send with every subscription with a 18 digit
random code you would have to type manually to activate? Then use
something like an encryption key to post to the list, so fake headers
get blocked.

> Have a nice day :)

What is even worse than smart-phoniasis is protesting in Hamburg
with your digital identifying device in your pocket and wearing a hood.
That scores lower in IQ than Trump.
Have a great night

Re: Python

[John Hasler]

Kris G writes:
> I am considering switching over to Debian from Fedora. I was wondering
> if Debian Jessie has python pre installed? Or does it have to be
> installed via the terminal as an apt-get?

If you mean the Python run-time packages needed by packages that are
written in Python, don't worry about it.  The dependency system will see
to it that what you need is there when you need it (besides, as others
have pointed out, Python is Standard anyway).  If you mean a Python
development environment you may want to install something like
python-django depending on what you want to do.
-- 
John Hasler 
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA

Re: PLEASE STOP YOUR MAILS

[Michael Fothergill]

On 8 July 2017 at 16:11,  wrote:

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>
> On Sat, Jul 08, 2017 at 10:21:22AM -0400, Jason Wittlin-Cohen wrote:
> > If you want to unsubscribe, go here: https://lists.debian.org/
> debian-user/
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 2:55 AM, fisma2b  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > I do not want to be in your mailing list anymore. Please remove my
> email
> > > from your list debian-user@lists.debian.org Stop your mails please
> Thanks
> > > again
>
> Hi, Jason, others: it's nice to give people a hint on how to
> unsubscribe, but after them having spammed the list with their
> request it doesn't help if you spam the list with the hints.
>
> I write to them directly, off list :-)
>

​I agree.  As soon as one off list email is sent to them we can then
collectively watch Engelbert Humperdinck singing Please Release Me on
youtube and forget about it.

Cheers

MF



>
> (Yes, I'm aware that they might get advice more than once.
> That's the downside).
>
> Cheers,
> - -- tomás
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Re: stop your mail

[tomas]

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On Sat, Jul 08, 2017 at 05:13:20PM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Jamie White wrote:
> > The correct unsubscribe procedue is [...]
> 
> I am very sure that the protest raising people are _not_ subscribed
> to debian-user@lists.debian.org . If they are real at all, then they
> got spam with our list as fake sender or as fake receiver of replies.

That's my hunch, too. Either someone has managed to force-subscribe
them to the list (how? they must somehow control their mail address,
or they have found a gap in Debian's ML manager), or the senders
are fake. But then... *what* are they doing?

> I wonder about the motivation behind that recent spam annoyance.

Me too :-/

> But the "leave me alone" mails mostly look as fake as those original
> messages. (Can real people be that stupid ? Is this the proof for
> brain damage caused by mobile phones ?)

(1) they can. (2) perhaps.

[...]

> Maybe our list's spam filter could give such phrases a spam rating
> sufficent to drop them if the sender is not subscribed ?

By experience, such patterns don't persist for long enough to be
worth the hassle of piling up yet another rule which quickly becomes
obsolete. But if it persists...

Strange.

> Have a nice day :)

Likewise :)

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Re: stop your mail

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Jamie White wrote:
> The correct unsubscribe procedue is [...]

I am very sure that the protest raising people are _not_ subscribed
to debian-user@lists.debian.org . If they are real at all, then they
got spam with our list as fake sender or as fake receiver of replies.

If ever, then this is the story to tell the senders.
(Or maybe a hint to look for malware on their computers.)



I wonder about the motivation behind that recent spam annoyance.

Not that i would dislike modern french poetry. I don't get the fun in
the dutch stuffi, though. Generally it would help the archives if that
spam could be dropped on the first hand.

If the senders are real, then they got our mailing list address from
fake headers in the mails to which they reply. After all we do not
see the alleged original messages on our list.

But the "leave me alone" mails mostly look as fake as those original
messages. (Can real people be that stupid ? Is this the proof for
brain damage caused by mobile phones ?)

I see two common patterns:

Many of the spams bear links to "http://bit.ly/; or "http://bitly.com;.

Many of them reveal by what kind of device the mobile victim replied
or is pretented to have replied:
"Sent from my Wiko RAINBOW UP 4G"
"Envoyé à partir de mon Windows Phone" (aka Doppeldeppendevice)
"Envoyé depuis mon appareil mobile Samsung"
"Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad"
"Verzonden vanaf mijn Huawei mobiele telefoon"
"Verzonden vanaf mijn Samsung Galaxy-smartphone."
"Envoyer de Huawei Y360"
"Envoyé depuis un mobile Samsung"
"Envoyé depuis mon smartphone Samsung Galaxy."
"Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone"

Maybe our list's spam filter could give such phrases a spam rating
sufficent to drop them if the sender is not subscribed ?


Have a nice day :)

Re: PLEASE STOP YOUR MAILS

[tomas]

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On Sat, Jul 08, 2017 at 10:21:22AM -0400, Jason Wittlin-Cohen wrote:
> If you want to unsubscribe, go here: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/
> 
> On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 2:55 AM, fisma2b  wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > I do not want to be in your mailing list anymore. Please remove my email
> > from your list debian-user@lists.debian.org Stop your mails please Thanks
> > again

Hi, Jason, others: it's nice to give people a hint on how to
unsubscribe, but after them having spammed the list with their
request it doesn't help if you spam the list with the hints.

I write to them directly, off list :-)

(Yes, I'm aware that they might get advice more than once.
That's the downside).

Cheers,
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Connexion Actioncam wifi et linux

[C. Mourad Jaber]

Bonjour,

Je cherche un logiciel pour pouvoir contrôler une "Action Cam" (genre clone de GoPro) à 
partir d'un laptop sous debian, voir même de capturer le flux vidéo directement ?


J'ai trouvé des applications sur Android (et testé avec succés), et l'API de communication 
semble assez standardisée... Mais pas de chance sous linux ou bien des logiciels payants...


Une idée ?

++

Mourad

Re: stop your mail

[Jamie White]

Hi

The correct unsubscribe procedue is to go here:
https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/unsubscribe

Jamie



On Saturday, July 8, 2017, PM  wrote:

>
>
> I do not want to be in your mailing list anymore. Please delete my email
> address from your list. Stop your mails Thanks again
>


-- 
Jamie

Re: mplayer won't play audio CD

[Wellington Terumi Uemura]

I don't have space limitations around here, as long as it works. ;)
Maybe I should move to another Linux distribution specific for my needs.
http://www.ap-linux.com

I don't know if is because I'm aging and now I've other priorities, I 
don't fell like messing with Linux too much. Before I used to compile my 
kernel specific to my machine, with specific cflags and all.


Now I just want the damn thing to work ;)

On 08-07-2017 09:37, Wilko Fokken wrote:

Within dselect,
I made a little test activating packets for installation:

a) vlc
b) mplayer + smplayer

and compared the amount of packets to be installed:

mplayer turned out to be the slimmer choice,
and does it's job.

Re: PLEASE STOP YOUR MAILS

[Jason Wittlin-Cohen]

If you want to unsubscribe, go here: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/

On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 2:55 AM, fisma2b  wrote:

>
>
> I do not want to be in your mailing list anymore. Please remove my email
> from your list debian-user@lists.debian.org Stop your mails please Thanks
> again
>

Re: mplayer won't play audio CD

[Wellington Terumi Uemura]

Too bad I can't code, otherwise I would. Tried to learn a few years ago, 
all I see is "do this, do that, hello world" but I miss some kind of a 
logic behind it. Is just like OS's, if you get the logic behind it you 
can use any, it doesn't matter the brand.


I'm looking for Improved signal-to-noise ratio (SNR), True 24-bit @ 
192kHz audio playback, no humans hear that, still I have hardware to do 
some test with, low latency, players that doesn't click or pops, you 
know, the good stuff.


Thanks.

On 08-07-2017 10:10, deloptes wrote:

I think it depends on what you want to do with it. mplayer can be embedded,
but it is just the engine. in the background there are (almost) the same
plugins you would see in vlc.

Look at their homepage or in the code directly.

regards

Re: Python

[tomas]

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On Sat, Jul 08, 2017 at 02:33:26PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Saturday 08 July 2017 13:06:29 Kris G wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am considering switching over to Debian from Fedora. I was wondering if
> > Debian Jessie has python pre installed? Or does it have to be installed via
> > the terminal as an apt-get?
> >
> > I apologise if this is a silly question?
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> 
> Why are you thinking of causing yourself problems by installing Jessie (Old 
> Stable, soon out of support) when the current Stable is Stretch?
> 
> To answer your question:

...and to complement Lisi's answer:

> lisi@Eros:~$ aptitude show python
> Package: python
> State: installed
> Automatically installed: no
> Multi-Arch: allowed
> Version: 2.7.9-1
> Priority: standard


Priority "standard" means that when you do a normal, boring install
process, this package will get in. See [1] for details.

If you want to browse what packages are available, which priority
status they have, etc. have a look at packages.debian.org [2]
(BTW: I've needed a similar resource for RedHat/CentOS at a
customer's site: does such a beast exist?)

Besides, if you select a desktop environment, you'll get a graphical
package manager, so you won't really need to do apt-get from a
terminal.

That said, people around here tend to like terminals. Once one
discovers how to throw things together like Lego blocks, there is
no way back. It's addictive. I have the suspicion that it taps
directly into the brain's dopamine receptors. Be careful :-)

Enjoy

[1] 
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkg_basics.en.html#s-priority
[2] https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
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Re: Ik hoopte dat we konden praten en elkaar leren kennen Sara

[patrick_hermans]

ik wil jouw leren kennen xxx 


Van: "Sara Bezrukavnikova"  
Aan: debian-user@lists.debian.org 
Verzonden: Vrijdag 7 juli 2017 11:01:15 
Onderwerp: Ik hoopte dat we konden praten en elkaar leren kennen Sara 



Wil je aan me vertellen wat je leuk vindt? 
[ http://bit.ly/2toa7ob | http://bit.ly/2toa7ob ] 

Re: Python

[Lisi Reisz]

On Saturday 08 July 2017 13:06:29 Kris G wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am considering switching over to Debian from Fedora. I was wondering if
> Debian Jessie has python pre installed? Or does it have to be installed via
> the terminal as an apt-get?
>
> I apologise if this is a silly question?
>
> Regards.
>
> Sent from my iPhone

Why are you thinking of causing yourself problems by installing Jessie (Old 
Stable, soon out of support) when the current Stable is Stretch?

To answer your question:

lisi@Eros:~$ aptitude show python
Package: python
State: installed
Automatically installed: no
Multi-Arch: allowed
Version: 2.7.9-1
Priority: standard
Section: python
Maintainer: Matthias Klose 
Architecture: amd64
Uncompressed Size: 696 k
Depends: python2.7 (>= 2.7.9-1~), libpython-stdlib (= 2.7.9-1)
PreDepends: python-minimal (= 2.7.9-1)
Suggests: python-doc (= 2.7.9-1), python-tk (>= 2.7.9-1~)
Conflicts: python-central (< 0.5.5), python-central (< 0.5.5), python
Breaks: update-manager-core (< 0.200.5-2), update-manager-core (< 0.200.5-2)
Replaces: python-dev (< 2.6.5-2), python-dev (< 2.6.5-2)
Provides: python-ctypes, python-email, python-importlib, python-profiler, 
python-wsgiref, python:any
Description: interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version)
 Python, the high-level, interactive object oriented language, includes an 
extensive class library
 with lots of goodies for network programming, system administration, sounds 
and graphics.

 This package is a dependency package, which depends on Debian's default 
Python version (currently
 v2.7).
Homepage: http://www.python.org/

Tags: devel::interpreter, devel::lang:python, implemented-in::c, 
implemented-in::python,
  interface::commandline, role::metapackage, role::program, scope::utility

lisi@Eros:~$ cat /etc/debian_version
8.8
lisi@Eros:~$

Lisi

Python

[Kris G]

Hi, 

I am considering switching over to Debian from Fedora. I was wondering if 
Debian Jessie has python pre installed? Or does it have to be installed via the 
terminal as an apt-get? 

I apologise if this is a silly question? 

Regards. 

Sent from my iPhone

Re: mplayer won't play audio CD

[deloptes]

Wellington Terumi Uemura wrote:

> And still looking for a decent HQ audio option for linux, did I miss
> something on mplayer?

I think it depends on what you want to do with it. mplayer can be embedded,
but it is just the engine. in the background there are (almost) the same
plugins you would see in vlc.

Look at their homepage or in the code directly.

regards

Re: mplayer won't play audio CD

[Wilko Fokken]

On Fri, Jul 07, 2017 at 11:34:13PM -0300, Wellington Terumi Uemura wrote:
> Sorry to bump in to this, but why not use players like vlc, Audacious or
> Kodi?
> 
> To me Audacious still kicking and works on Debian 9.
> https://s9.postimg.org/ir3ta4kdb/Audacious.png

Within dselect,
I made a little test activating packets for installation:

a) vlc
b) mplayer + smplayer

and compared the amount of packets to be installed:

mplayer turned out to be the slimmer choice,
and does it's job.

Re: Installing Debian on an android device

[deloptes]

Joe wrote:

> I think that the Holy Grail for many people is a genuinely pocket-sized
> computer with Internet, GPS, etc., running a real, general-purpose
> operating system, not a marketing medium. I have an Acer One netbook,
> which is nearly what I want except for the size. But then, I do like a
> real keyboard, that doesn't disappear just as a web form is about to
> time out...
> 
> There may also be the hope that with a proper OS, they will control the
> device instead of just about anyone on the planet who wants to track
> the owner, collect his data or listen in. That's probably not a
> realistic goal.
> 
> The manufacturers of tablets and smartphones are almost certainly under
> some pressure to make it as difficult as possible to run an alternative
> OS, in addition to the commercial pressure, of course. It's quite
> noticeable that the last couple of versions of Windows have tried quite
> hard to discourage people from using non-Microsoft-approved
> applications, and to make it appear that an account with Microsoft is
> essential in order to even use the computer. That's the direction we're
> heading in, not the other way.

Jolla (SailFish OS) is exactly what you are writing here. However OEMs are
hard to win for small number of devices/low number of sales. So until the
mass does not care what they use and who is tracking them or abusing their
personal data, it will be much harder to get a device with meaningful OS.
IMO ATM there is more freedom regarding such things in the BRICS world than
here in the US$ dominated one. 
The reason is that there at gov. level is a concern about espionage and govs
are looking for alternatives.

I wrote this because before Jolla there was Nokia and MeeGo, which was
running on debian - a great phone Nokia N9.

SailFish and the Mer project are continuation of the former, but if you
don't have working OS , you don't have customers. If you don't have
customers, you don't have working OS. I had to import one (Intex AquaFish)
from India and it is indeed a very good phone.

I read few days ago a pre order for a tablet with SailFish OS for about
220,- US$

https://together.jolla.com/question/136143/wiki-available-devices-running-sailfish-os/?answer=163705#post-id-163705

They are also working on porting SailFish OS to Sony Xperia X and it will be
released in the close future. And there are the community ports, which are
missing Dalvik (Android emulator), so you can't use android apps.

So if you are looking for phone or tablet with alternative OS (which is
actually working - not like Firefox or Ubuntu phone or whatever that never
worked or was extremely unfriendly), you better look in this direction.

We can just hope that things will change for good in the future and the
monopoly of the spying OS's will be broken, but again the masses must be
educated, because they are major player.

regards

Re: mplayer won't play audio CD

[Wellington Terumi Uemura]

I really want to know, not to argue. Something I should consider with 
mplayer?

I design audio gear myself.
http://i.imgur.com/rUpDHBG.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Xl8IqPV.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/grEcWxl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/K8czc7U.jpg

And still looking for a decent HQ audio option for linux, did I miss 
something on mplayer?


Thanks.

On 08-07-2017 08:03, deloptes wrote:

I don't want to argue. Everybody is free to use what she/he find suitable.
I don't care what mpv is as I already have what I need.

regards

Re: mplayer won't play audio CD

[deloptes]

Wellington Terumi Uemura wrote:

> Please define quality, sound quality?
> Where can I read more about it?
> Can you equalize the sound on the fly?
> Have you heard about mpv?
> https://mpv.io/

I don't want to argue. Everybody is free to use what she/he find suitable.
I don't care what mpv is as I already have what I need.

regards

Re: Praten is net als tennis met het sturen en ontvangen van de bal Carina

[Teun IJff]

This is spam and i want do not get Any spam from you again, of i Will report iT.

Greetings T ijff 

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad

> Op 8 jul. 2017 om 10:11 heeft Carina Nofiel  het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
> Ik hou van ballen. Wil je praten? 
> http://bit.ly/2sXY6SZ

Re: Debian 9.0 Stretch + Foss-Sthlm

[Helio Loureiro]

Hi Luna,

Did you try the upgrade from Jessie to Stretch on raspberrypi?   I tried
before from Wheezy to Jessie, but it ended destroying the system in a way
that I had to reinstall by image usage.

Abs,
Helio Loureiro
http://helio.loureiro.eng.br
https://se.linkedin.com/in/helioloureiro
http://twitter.com/helioloureiro


2017-06-18 16:28 GMT+02:00 Luna Jernberg :

> Debian 9 har släppts nu: https://www.debian.org/News/2017/20170617
> https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-
> cd/debian-9.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso
>
> Och images för Raspberry Pi mm dyker upp imorgon
> Och om folk har vägarna förbi Stockholm ses vi på Opensource och FOSS
> eventet på Tisdag kväll nästa vecka:
> https://www.meetup.com/FOSS-Sthlm/events/239995726/
>
>

Re: mailutils in stretch

[Sven Joachim]

On 2017-07-08 03:24 -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 07, 2017 at 04:39:48PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote:
>> Argh, I am sorry.  I meant to say just the opposite by leaving out the
>> extra "not", In fact, various packages have been demoted from Priority
>> standard or important to optional in recent years.  This includes the
>> venerable "ed" text editor for instance, and also any package providing
>> /usr/bin/mail.  Apparently the reason is that they pull in an MTA which
>> is also no longer included by default.  Which seems sensible to me BTW.
>
> It isn't?  On one of the new stretch machines referenced in my original
> post, I get:
>
> ~$ dpkg -s exim4 | grep Priority
> Priority: standard

I see.  The package priorities are assigned by the FTP masters which
override the priorities given in the package, and exim4 is set to
optional in stretch.

However, there has been a security update of exim4, and the version
available from security.debian.org has indeed priority standard, so
either the override on security.debian.org is out of sync or it does not
have an override in the first place.  This should certainly be fixed.

Cheers,
   Sven

Re: Recherche upgrade PC de bureau

[maderios]

On 07/08/2017 12:23 PM, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote:

Je vais commencer par un disque dur SSD.

Comment le configurer, avec un disque dur classique ?
(avec un dual boot Linux / Windows 10).


Un excellent article sur ce sujet est en cours de rédaction ici:
Matériel Linux sur SSD (mise à jour 2017)
https://linuxfr.org/redaction/news/linux-sur-ssd-mise-a-jour-2017
Pour le lire, il faut s'inscrire.
--
Maderios

Re: Recherche upgrade PC de bureau

[andre_debian]

On Friday 07 July 2017 14:51:32 oblivion.ikiub wrote:
> Ça dépendra de l'utilisation du PC (bureautique,  Internet,  photos
> vidéos...).  À mon avis je changement qui sera visible directement  c'est
> ton disque dur en disque SSD (pour moi ça été un gain de performance énorme
> ! Sur une config qui date, en l'occurrence un core 2 duo). Pour le
> processeur c'est un peu plus compliqué et dépend beaucoup des applications
> que tu va utilisé.  Tu as par exemple des applications qui sont plus à
> l'aise sur un seul voir deux coeurs que sur 4

Merci pour toutes vos réponses éclairantes.

Je vais commencer par un disque dur SSD.

Comment le configurer, avec un disque dur classique ?
(avec un dual boot Linux / Windows 10).

Bon week-end,

André

Re: mplayer won't play audio CD

[Wellington Terumi Uemura]

Please define quality, sound quality?
Where can I read more about it?
Can you equalize the sound on the fly?
Have you heard about mpv?
https://mpv.io/

Em 8 de jul de 2017 04:02, "deloptes"  escreveu:

Wellington Terumi Uemura wrote:

> Sorry to bump in to this, but why not use players like vlc, Audacious or
> Kodi?

Because they are ugly and not of same quality compared to mplayer

Re: mailutils in stretch

[Dave Sherohman]

On Fri, Jul 07, 2017 at 04:39:48PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote:
> Argh, I am sorry.  I meant to say just the opposite by leaving out the
> extra "not", In fact, various packages have been demoted from Priority
> standard or important to optional in recent years.  This includes the
> venerable "ed" text editor for instance, and also any package providing
> /usr/bin/mail.  Apparently the reason is that they pull in an MTA which
> is also no longer included by default.  Which seems sensible to me BTW.

It isn't?  On one of the new stretch machines referenced in my original
post, I get:

~$ dpkg -s exim4 | grep Priority
Priority: standard

-- 
Dave Sherohman

Re: Installing Debian on an android device

[Joe]

On Sat, 08 Jul 2017 09:06:51 +0200
deloptes  wrote:


> 
> I am following the work of Jolla (SailFish OS) and their community
> ports, but honestly without (Android) apps  what do you use this
> device for? I think Ubuntu has also project targeting mobile devices.
> 

I think that the Holy Grail for many people is a genuinely pocket-sized
computer with Internet, GPS, etc., running a real, general-purpose 
operating system, not a marketing medium. I have an Acer One netbook,
which is nearly what I want except for the size. But then, I do like a
real keyboard, that doesn't disappear just as a web form is about to
time out...

There may also be the hope that with a proper OS, they will control the
device instead of just about anyone on the planet who wants to track
the owner, collect his data or listen in. That's probably not a
realistic goal.

The manufacturers of tablets and smartphones are almost certainly under
some pressure to make it as difficult as possible to run an alternative
OS, in addition to the commercial pressure, of course. It's quite
noticeable that the last couple of versions of Windows have tried quite
hard to discourage people from using non-Microsoft-approved
applications, and to make it appear that an account with Microsoft is
essential in order to even use the computer. That's the direction we're
heading in, not the other way.

-- 
Joe

Re: systemd & postgresql - flooding system log

[Václav Ovsík]

On Fri, Jul 07, 2017 at 10:34:20PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
>...
> You create 19 PAM sessions for the postgres user per minute. What
> exactly are you doing here?

This morning refreshed my mind :)
I completely forget about monitoring of the host yesterday.
There was installed plugin for Postgres in CheckMK agent monitoring agent.
http://mathias-kettner.com/checkmk.html
http://git.mathias-kettner.de/git/?p=check_mk.git;a=blob;f=agents/plugins/mk_postgres;h=1de9b6de2d536b5d254888e6188fa3ec8b64c9bc;hb=HEAD
The plugin can be improved the switch to database user will be done only
one time per run probably.
Nevertheless, is there a possibility in systemd to hide user sessions of
this system user?
-- 
Zito

Re: Configuration fstab pour HD usb

[Pascal Hambourg]

Le 08/07/2017 à 05:23, bernard.schoenac...@free.fr a écrit :


voici l'entrée du fstab :

/dev/sdb1   /media/bernard   auto user,noauto   0   0


Il vaut mieux spécifier le volume par un identifiant persistent (UUID, 
LABEL) plutôt que par un nom de périphérique qui peut varier à chaque 
branchement ou démarrage.

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Re: Installing Debian on an android device

[deloptes]

> I've been looking at this page for a while,
> 
> https://www.linux.com/learn/how-get-open-source-android
> 
> But the information there is old and getting older.

The main question is if you get support for the hardware. If you don't get
support for the hardware, it renders the device unusable.

Best to do is to go to a distribution that targets those devices and see if
your hardware is supported. Then usually there are instructions on how to
install the system on those devices. Unlike to PC with BIOS those devices
have different boot process (look at Raspberry for example).

I am following the work of Jolla (SailFish OS) and their community ports,
but honestly without (Android) apps  what do you use this device for?
I think Ubuntu has also project targeting mobile devices.

Good luck

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Re: mplayer won't play audio CD

[deloptes]

Wellington Terumi Uemura wrote:

> Sorry to bump in to this, but why not use players like vlc, Audacious or
> Kodi?

Because they are ugly and not of same quality compared to mplayer

Re: Configuration fstab pour HD usb

[Alain Rpnpif]

Le  8 juillet 2017, bernard.schoenac...@free.fr a écrit :

> - Mail original -
> > De: "list" 
> > À: debian-user-french@lists.debian.org
> > Envoyé: Samedi 8 Juillet 2017 01:27:32
> > Objet: Configuration fstab pour HD usb
> > 
> > Bonjour LA liste.
> > 
> > Sauvegarder, sauvegarder, sauvegader.
> > 
> > Pour ce faire, je souhaite utiliser un disque dur externe - mecanique
> > pas ssd - en USB3.
> > 
> > Si vous aviez des conseils pour son paramétrage dans le fstab.
> > Des choses à éviter, à savoir, retours d'expériences heureuses ou
> > non.
> > 
> > De plus, y a t-il un intérêt à faire plusieurs partitions sur un tel
> > disque destiné à cet usage ?
> > 
> > Merci LA liste.
> > 
> >   
> 
> bonjour,
> 
> voici l'entrée du fstab :
> 
> /dev/sdb1   /media/bernard   auto user,noauto   0   0
> 

Bonjour,

Sauf si c'est un serveur sans X ou xorg et sauf si le système de
fichier est rare, je n'utiliserais pas /etc/fstab.

Ce genre de disque en USB (2 ou 3) n'a pas vocation à être branché en
permanence.

Debian par udisks ou consorts sait détecter et, si on le veut
il sait monter, automatiquement ce genre de disque.

Donc rien dans fstab et le montage ou la détection sont automatiques au
branchement à chaud.

Si udisks est installé, la configuration par défaut est en général
suffisante.

man udisks.

-- 
Alain Rpnpif