Re: No networking after resume from suspend

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 4/22/21, Richmond  wrote:
> When I resume from suspend there is no networking. I cannot find a way
> to restart it. I tried these various commands.
>
> systemctl restart network
> /etc/init.d/networking restart
> systemctl reset-failed
> systemctl restart networking.service
> systemctl restart network-online.target
> systemctl restart network-manager.service
> systemctl start network-manager.service
> systemctl stop network-manager.service
>
> lshw says:
>
>  description: Ethernet interface
>  product: 88E8071 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller
>  vendor: Marvell Technology Group Ltd.
>
> What can I do?


Questions where answers might help come to mind. Primarily, has this
always occurred, or did it just start up in the last couple days?

I'm on a new old secondhand laptop today. Just started using it
yesterday. It's doing similar, but I can trigger it back on via
"wicd-curses". A quick CTRL+R (refresh) for no particular reason and
then CTRL+C (connect), and I'm back up and running.

WHEN it happens again, I'm going to try to remember to try your
various commands to see if I receive similar results. I'm going to
copy those right now so they're available offline when it's time.

A PS to this is that a couple of us were having a reconnect problem a
while back. Mine would just suddenly stop and then refuse to
reconnect. Always took a reboot (and sometimes 2) before it would
start working again.

PPS What's your eth0 being called? Mine's a moving target depending on
which (older) laptop I'm using. I've used 4 different names in the
last two weeks.

Two of those renames were the long version that Users also see for
wireless dongles. That was appropriate because I was using two
different ethernet to USB port adapters. Those long values are tied to
the specific products we're using.

The other two values now flip between "enp1s0" and "eno1". Those are
both for internal (onboard) ports. So far, it appears to be that those
stay specific to two different laptops. I like that eno1 one. I STILL
can't confidently remember that other naming pattern every time it
comes up.

Those values are entered under Preferences in the wicd-curses
interface. I had a problem earlier today where it wouldn't connect
back up. I had just learned that /etc/wicd/manager-settings.conf is
relevant so I peeked at it.

That value was wrong. It didn't refresh after I used the terminal
interface. I changed it, and mine connected back up by itself as fast
as that changed file was saved.

Which brings me to ANOTHER observation through all of this. Sometimes
sitting here counting to 10 or 15 seconds helps after clicking once to
reconnect.

That was an accidental find, a "patience pays" kind of deal. I'm
presuming that Users having similar experiences may be doing the same
thing I did.

My old method was to keep repeatedly clicking a reconnect button every
couple of seconds then finally close the program in frustration. These
last few days, just sitting here staring at the screen while counting
seconds gives it time to churn out a successful connection.

Cindy :)
-- 
Cindy-Sue Causey
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA

* runs with birdseed *

systemd failed to create user.slice

[Jochen Spieker]

Hi,

the short version of my problem is this, happening on a fairly fresh
stable system:

# systemctl start user@1000.service
Job for user@1000.service failed because the service did not take the steps 
required by its unit configuration.
See "systemctl status user@1000.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details.
# systemctl status user@1000.service
● user@1000.service - User Manager for UID 1000
   Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/user@.service; static; vendor preset: 
enabled)
   Active: failed (Result: protocol) since Fri 2021-04-23 00:38:59 CEST; 9s ago
 Docs: man:user@.service(5)
  Process: 20895 ExecStart=/lib/systemd/systemd --user (code=exited, 
status=1/FAILURE)
 Main PID: 20895 (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE)

Apr 23 00:38:59 example.com systemd[1]: Starting User Manager for UID 1000...
Apr 23 00:38:59 example.com systemd[20895]: pam_unix(systemd-user:session): 
session opened for user jrspieker by (uid=0)
Apr 23 00:38:59 example.com systemd[20895]: Failed to create 
/user.slice/user-1000.slice/user@1000.service/init.scope control group: 
Permission denied
Apr 23 00:38:59 example.com systemd[20895]: Failed to allocate manager object: 
Permission denied
Apr 23 00:38:59 example.com systemd[1]: user@1000.service: Failed with result 
'protocol'.
Apr 23 00:38:59 example.com systemd[1]: Failed to start User Manager for UID 
1000.


This happens during login via SSH for UID 1000 as well as other user
IDs. I do not see any bad effect except the log spam. I straced this and
think here is the root of the problem:

16971 stat("/sys/fs/cgroup/systemd/user.slice/user-112.slice/user@112.service", 
0x7ffd5f215640) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied)

This is due to:

# ls -ld /sys/fs/cgroup/systemd/
drwx-- 5 root root 0 Mar 21 23:58 /sys/fs/cgroup/systemd/


I have a different buster system where this directory is mode 555 (yes,
not writable by anybody) and that systemd does bot exhibit the behavior
above.

It appears to be working if I just chmod the directory. What/who is
responsible for the proper permissions of that sysfs directory?

J.
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Re: TDE (Trinity Desktop Environment) vs KDE

[deloptes]

D. R. Evans wrote:

> I will also say that the modern KDE look, with its rather astonishing
> amount of wasted space, was not to my taste, although that was not the
> principal reason why I installed TDE.
> 
> The biggest two annoyances I find in TDE as compared to KDE are both in
> Konqueror: a) the display of directories does not continually renew on
> changes; b)  when displaying image files, the images are not scaled down
> to fit within the current display panel. So it's not perfect. But I find
> it just a lot nicer to use than modern versions of KDE. Other people
> doubtless have different opinions.

The main reason and goal of the TDE community is to provide a stable working
environment. Indeed there are minor bugs, limitations likely and such as
old code that needs update, which is worked on and done constantly, but if
you want to sit down, do some work and go on - this is the perfect desktop
for me.
Even today with Qt5 the KDE is unstable to my taste, not to mention Gnome.
I want to just sit down do the work I did yesterday or an year ago and not
start debugging some application, configuration or whatever that was
working before. Another advantage is the low disk, memory and CPU
footprint.
And you can install and use all the shiny KDE5 or Gnome stuff you like.

Re: No networking after resume from suspend

[Dan Ritter]

Richmond wrote: 
> When I resume from suspend there is no networking. I cannot find a way
> to restart it. I tried these various commands.
> 
> systemctl restart network
> /etc/init.d/networking restart
> systemctl reset-failed 
> systemctl restart networking.service 
> systemctl restart network-online.target 
> systemctl restart network-manager.service 
> systemctl start network-manager.service 
> systemctl stop network-manager.service 
> 
> lshw says:
> 
>  description: Ethernet interface
>  product: 88E8071 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller
>  vendor: Marvell Technology Group Ltd.

Let's try from the bottom up?

ip link show
  will show you the interfaces recognized by the kernel. If this
  works, it might show you an eth0, an en0, or something like a 
  enp22s0 device. Let's call it "SAM".

  If any part of SAM reads "down", do this:

sudo ip link set up SAM

  and make sure the cable is plugged in.

Now let's set an address.

ip addr show SAM
  that might show you an IPv4 address. If not, or if you don't
  think it looks right for your network, you can set one by
  hand:

sudo ip addr set 192.168.0.43/24 dev SAM

  or you can ask DHCP for one:

sudo dhclient SAM

Finally, try pinging your gateway router.

Let us know how far you get with this, and exactly what the
error messages are.

-dsr-

Re: Grub et boot plus que bizarres

[fabricer]

hello,

as-tu réessayé de réinstaller grub sur sda1 et sda2 ?

f.

Le 22/04/2021 à 17:02, ajh-valmer a écrit :

On Tuesday 20 April 2021 11:12:21 ajh.val...@free.fr wrote:

J'ai un serveur distant, qui fonctionne sur la partition SDA1
Il a une sauvegarde sur SDA2 (à l'identique).
Depuis peu, via GRUB, je ne peux plus le rebooter correctement sur sda1,
ni sda2.
sda1 : bien des services ne fonctionnent plus, dont SSH et Apache...
sda2 : il boot en initramfs, voire produit un kernel panic.
Pourtant sda1=sda2
Pour que ça fonctionne, je fais ceci :
J'indique à Grub de démarrer sur sda2,
mais avec dans son fichier "/etc/fstab", l'UUID de sda1.
Et là, il boot parfaitement sur sda1.
Cette méthode, certes fonctionnelle, est complètement anormale.
C'est quoi ce mélange de 2 partitions pour pouvoir en booter une ?
Comment revenir à la possibilité de booter directement sur sda1 ou sda2,
via Grub ?
Le fichier /boot/grub/grub.cfg semble bien normal.


Bonjour,

Je me permets de relancer, on ne sait jamais :-)
personne n'a une idée sur mon problème de boot ?
(décrit ci-dessus).

Merci.

André Valmer

Re: about Wayland (was: TDE (Trinity Desktop Environment) vs KDE)

[Kenneth Parker]

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 5:46 PM Felix Miata  wrote:

> Kenneth Parker composed on 2021-04-22 17:33 (UTC-0400):
>
> > One thing, of course, about KDE Plasma is Wayland, instead of Xorg, which
> > doesn't appear to support one of my, most used Laptops.
>
> Wayland isn't simple drop-in or replacement for Xorg. Some things that
> many Xorg
> users depend on, Wayland is simply not designed to do:
> https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/wayland-2021.html
> https://www.secjuice.com/wayland-vs-xorg/
> --
>

Thanks for the links.  I have done, some of my own research finding, among
other things, a "Live DVD Wayland Demo" on Sourceforge, called "Rebecca
Black OS".

   https://sourceforge.net/projects/rebeccablackos/

It was, by using the Live DVD that I found the issues, attempting to use
Wayland on one of my Laptops (an old HP).  (By the way, it even includes
Wayland's own Demonstration, called Weston).

Thanks again!

Kenneth Parker


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No networking after resume from suspend

[Richmond]

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When I resume from suspend there is no networking. I cannot find a way
to restart it. I tried these various commands.

systemctl restart network
/etc/init.d/networking restart
systemctl reset-failed 
systemctl restart networking.service 
systemctl restart network-online.target 
systemctl restart network-manager.service 
systemctl start network-manager.service 
systemctl stop network-manager.service 

lshw says:

 description: Ethernet interface
 product: 88E8071 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller
 vendor: Marvell Technology Group Ltd.

What can I do?

Re: about Wayland (was: TDE (Trinity Desktop Environment) vs KDE)

[Felix Miata]

Kenneth Parker composed on 2021-04-22 17:33 (UTC-0400):

> One thing, of course, about KDE Plasma is Wayland, instead of Xorg, which
> doesn't appear to support one of my, most used Laptops.

Wayland isn't simple drop-in or replacement for Xorg. Some things that many Xorg
users depend on, Wayland is simply not designed to do:
https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/wayland-2021.html
https://www.secjuice.com/wayland-vs-xorg/
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Re: TDE (Trinity Desktop Environment) vs KDE

[Felix Miata]

Kenneth Parker composed on 2021-04-22 16:23 (UTC-0400):

> I saw TDE discussed in another, recent Thread, and had to look it up, as I
> am not familiar with it.

> How does it compare with the current KDE?  Other than a qemu VM with KDE
> (so that I can examine it), I haven't used KDE in years (using XFCE for
> most of my systems, but with one current Gnome Desktop).

> Is it worth using *instead* of KDE, or would that throw me into a mess?

TDE is a fork of KDE 3.5.10. Since KDE4 was a major rewrite for QT4, which made
many former KDE3 users hate KDE4, and KDE5 a major rewrite for QT5, there is 
quite
a bit of similarity overall between Plasma 5 and TDE, yet vast differences
underneath. Computing eons have passed since the forking. TDE can be installed
alongside KDE5 just as XFCE or Cinnamon or Mate can be installed alongside KDE5.
KDE5 runs on QT5, while TDE runs on a fork of QT3 called TQT. TDM can start a
Plasma session, and a TDE session can run KDE5 apps. What doesn't mix is KDE3 
and
TDE, but that's only possible to attempt on openSUSE, since KDE3 is long gone
everywhere else.

TDE is great for those interested in responsiveness & speed with low overhead, 
low
demand, thus great for older hardware and under 2GB RAM.
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Re: TDE (Trinity Desktop Environment) vs KDE

[Kenneth Parker]

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 4:57 PM Andrew M.A. Cater  wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 04:23:02PM -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote:
> > I saw TDE discussed in another, recent Thread, and had to look it up, as
> I
> > am not familiar with it.
> >
> > How does it compare with the current KDE?  Other than a qemu VM with KDE
> > (so that I can examine it), I haven't used KDE in years (using XFCE for
> > most of my systems, but with one current Gnome Desktop).
> >
> > Is it worth using *instead* of KDE, or would that throw me into a mess?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Kenneth Parker
>
> It's designed to replace any of the other desktop environments so KDE and
> TDE
> might be a bit of a mess. Trinity is KDE 3 inspired so KDE from quite a
> while
> ago - it is lighterweight but it is tied very much to Q4OS which is Debian
> based but not pure Debian.
>
> Does this help?
>

Yes it does (and thanks, Gene for your input).

Like I said, I have a VM to examine the current KDE, and have been puzzled
about the Plasma part.

Since I examine, closely on Qemu before allowing anything on "bare Metal",
I will do the same thing with TDE, and then make up my mind between the
two.

One thing, of course, about KDE Plasma is Wayland, instead of Xorg, which
doesn't appear to support one of my, most used Laptops.

Again, thanks to both you, Andrew, and Gene.

>
> All the very best, as ever,
>
> Andy C.
>

Kenneth Parker

>

Re: TDE (Trinity Desktop Environment) vs KDE

[Joshua Edward Horn]

On 4/22/21 4:12 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:

On Thursday 22 April 2021 16:23:02 Kenneth Parker wrote:


I saw TDE discussed in another, recent Thread, and had to look it up,
as I am not familiar with it.

How does it compare with the current KDE?  Other than a qemu VM with
KDE (so that I can examine it), I haven't used KDE in years (using
XFCE for most of my systems, but with one current Gnome Desktop).

Is it worth using *instead* of KDE, or would that throw me into a
mess?

Thanks!

Kenneth Parker

Its a fork of kde at the kde-3.5 level, just before they screwed it up
hopelessly with all the plasma bs. KDE grew eye candy with lots more
bugs.  But with 99% or more of 3.5's bugs now fixed. Stable and rock
solid now.

Cheers, Gene Heskett


TDE is one of my favorite desktops. I used KDE when it was version 1 and 2 and 
I missed that old look. TDE kind of gives it back, when I use
it I set everything to look like KDE 1/2. It's a really cool project in my 
opinion. Whenever I need that 1997 feel, I always go with TDE.
--
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Re: TDE (Trinity Desktop Environment) vs KDE

[D. R. Evans]

Andrew M.A. Cater wrote on 4/22/21 2:57 PM:

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 04:23:02PM -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote:

I saw TDE discussed in another, recent Thread, and had to look it up, as I
am not familiar with it.

How does it compare with the current KDE?  Other than a qemu VM with KDE
(so that I can examine it), I haven't used KDE in years (using XFCE for
most of my systems, but with one current Gnome Desktop).

Is it worth using *instead* of KDE, or would that throw me into a mess?



I use TDE as my desktop on my main [debian stable, 64-bit] machine for real 
work; I gave up waiting for the KDE coders to reimplement some functionality 
that was lost when they switched to KDE4 (and then KDE5, or whatever it's 
called nowadays).


I also have KDE installed on the machine, for the very few occasions when I 
find that the KDE5 version of a program has something that I need and which is 
not in TDE -- that happens so rarely that off the top of my head I can't even 
think of an example, but I know that it has happened; but I believe that it's 
always been in the nature of fluff/candy, not core functionality. And in fact 
even then I don't run the KDE desktop, but just run the KDE version of a 
program instead of the TDE version.


FWIW, the biggest reason I switched to TDE was the lack of support in KDE for 
displaying in the panel sysguard widgets that obtain data from remote systems. 
In my panel I have widgets reporting on the health of other machines... and 
those other machines are running KDE (because I interact with their desktops 
so infrequently that it wasn't worth installing a different desktop on them).


I will also say that the modern KDE look, with its rather astonishing amount 
of wasted space, was not to my taste, although that was not the principal 
reason why I installed TDE.


The biggest two annoyances I find in TDE as compared to KDE are both in 
Konqueror: a) the display of directories does not continually renew on 
changes; b)  when displaying image files, the images are not scaled down to 
fit within the current display panel. So it's not perfect. But I find it just 
a lot nicer to use than modern versions of KDE. Other people doubtless have 
different opinions.


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Re: looks like I need an hid interface

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 22 April 2021 17:07:05 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 03:37:02PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Thursday 22 April 2021 15:10:34 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 02:47:43PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > On Thursday 22 April 2021 14:23:13 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 01:18:06PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday 22 April 2021 13:00:42 deloptes wrote:
> > > > > > > Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > > > > > > > The bullseye-RC1 iso files are out: Bullseye is frozen
> > > > > > > > so there aren't many files moving at the moment - now
> > > > > > > > would be quite a good time to try an installation - and
> > > > > > > > tell folks how it went.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > tried, but there are things not working, missing etc.
> > > > > > > Nothing unusual, but now I plan upgrades for late summer
> > > > > > > or even later
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think after my attempt, as I stopped the iso from the
> > > > > > central european region, and tried jigdo-lite, but its not
> > > > > > ready for prime time. Stuck on a machine at carrol which
> > > > > > doesn't exist, see my previous post.
> > > > >
> > > > > https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/bullseye_di_rc1/amd6
> > > > >4/ji gdo- cd/debian-bullseye-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.jigdo
> > > > > https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/bullseye_di_rc1/amd6
> > > > >4/ji gdo- cd/debian-bullseye-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.template
> > > > >
> > > > > And
> > > > >
> > > > > http://deb.debian.org/debian/
> > > > >
> > > > > [In other words the CDN - content distribution network - and
> > > > > it "just works"]
> > > > >
> > > > > I had also tried it with my local mirror - which is faster
> > > > > because it's less than 20 metres away - same result.
> > > > >
> > > > > It does, however, do the right thing and warn that MD5 is no
> > > > > longer a secure hash.
> > > > >
> > > > > For DVD, substitute the DVD .jigdo files - I generally find
> > > > > that I download the .jigdo and .template files into my home
> > > > > directory and then use
> > > > >
> > > > > file:///home/someusersomewhere/debian-bullseye-DI-rc1-amd64-ne
> > > > >tins t.ji gdo
> > > > > file:///home/someusersomewhere/debian-bullseye-DI-rc1-amd64-ne
> > > > >tins t.te mplate
> > > > >
> > > > > Hope this helps,
> > > > >
> > > > > Andy C.
> > > > >
> > > > > > I'm with deloptes, let us know when it does work.
> > > >
> > > > And it did, I'm writing a R/W dvd right now. It appears I have 2
> > > > 100 spindles of dvd's, been kept in the dark in a closed file
> > > > cabinet drawer, that have aged out and are unusable now. But R/W
> > > > sony's still work. I think, k3b tried to erase a blank R/W and
> > > > reported it failed, but went ahead and wrote it anyway.
> > > >
> > > > I'll see if the sums are correct, and if it boots but I need to
> > > > collect TDE for bullseye before I install.
> > >
> > > If you install and get it on the network - then you can just pull
> > > in TDE by adding the ppa in your apt sources.
> >
> > This isn't ubuntu.
> >
> > > Alternatively - there's a bunch of desktops that are lighter than
> > > GNOME available to you at install.
>
> TDE isn't packaged in Debian - so it is a ppa / from another
> Debian-based distribution: you are creating a slight FrankenDebian :)
> Try installing it on one of your spare new Dells.
>
They aren't "new dells" but offlease 7010's with 4 core i5's. Works just 
fine on one of my milling machines running a buster with a realtime 
kernel.

> In Bullseye - so Debian repositories only -you've got LXDE / LXQT -
> both vaguely old KDE like and based on QT. You've got Cinnamon and
> Mate which are older lighterweight Gnome-alikes and you've also got
> XFCE.
>
> > Go warsh yur fingers now Andy :), gno* is not my cup of tea. Neither
> > is the new kde. TDE, generally Just Works, they've fixed tons of
> > bugs Ingo K. couldn't be bothered with back in the day. He was
> > always too busy herding cats. :(
> >
> > I been using kmail for nearly 20 years now, some original mail
> > traffic in my email corpus dates to 2002, so I know its warts well.
>
> Take care now, Gene. Good luck with it all.
>
> All best, as ever,
>
> Andy C.

Thank you Andy C. Take care and stay well.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: TDE (Trinity Desktop Environment) vs KDE

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 22 April 2021 16:23:02 Kenneth Parker wrote:

> I saw TDE discussed in another, recent Thread, and had to look it up,
> as I am not familiar with it.
>
> How does it compare with the current KDE?  Other than a qemu VM with
> KDE (so that I can examine it), I haven't used KDE in years (using
> XFCE for most of my systems, but with one current Gnome Desktop).
>
> Is it worth using *instead* of KDE, or would that throw me into a
> mess?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Kenneth Parker

Its a fork of kde at the kde-3.5 level, just before they screwed it up  
hopelessly with all the plasma bs. KDE grew eye candy with lots more 
bugs.  But with 99% or more of 3.5's bugs now fixed. Stable and rock 
solid now.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: looks like I need an hid interface

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 03:37:02PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Thursday 22 April 2021 15:10:34 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 02:47:43PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Thursday 22 April 2021 14:23:13 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 01:18:06PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday 22 April 2021 13:00:42 deloptes wrote:
> > > > > > Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > > > > > > The bullseye-RC1 iso files are out: Bullseye is frozen so
> > > > > > > there aren't many files moving at the moment - now would be
> > > > > > > quite a good time to try an installation - and tell folks
> > > > > > > how it went.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > tried, but there are things not working, missing etc. Nothing
> > > > > > unusual, but now I plan upgrades for late summer or even later
> > > > >
> > > > > I think after my attempt, as I stopped the iso from the central
> > > > > european region, and tried jigdo-lite, but its not ready for
> > > > > prime time. Stuck on a machine at carrol which doesn't exist,
> > > > > see my previous post.
> > > >
> > > > https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/bullseye_di_rc1/amd64/ji
> > > >gdo- cd/debian-bullseye-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.jigdo
> > > > https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/bullseye_di_rc1/amd64/ji
> > > >gdo- cd/debian-bullseye-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.template
> > > >
> > > > And
> > > >
> > > > http://deb.debian.org/debian/
> > > >
> > > > [In other words the CDN - content distribution network - and it
> > > > "just works"]
> > > >
> > > > I had also tried it with my local mirror - which is faster because
> > > > it's less than 20 metres away - same result.
> > > >
> > > > It does, however, do the right thing and warn that MD5 is no
> > > > longer a secure hash.
> > > >
> > > > For DVD, substitute the DVD .jigdo files - I generally find that I
> > > > download the .jigdo and .template files into my home directory and
> > > > then use
> > > >
> > > > file:///home/someusersomewhere/debian-bullseye-DI-rc1-amd64-netins
> > > >t.ji gdo
> > > > file:///home/someusersomewhere/debian-bullseye-DI-rc1-amd64-netins
> > > >t.te mplate
> > > >
> > > > Hope this helps,
> > > >
> > > > Andy C.
> > > >
> > > > > I'm with deloptes, let us know when it does work.
> > >
> > > And it did, I'm writing a R/W dvd right now. It appears I have 2 100
> > > spindles of dvd's, been kept in the dark in a closed file cabinet
> > > drawer, that have aged out and are unusable now. But R/W sony's
> > > still work. I think, k3b tried to erase a blank R/W and reported it
> > > failed, but went ahead and wrote it anyway.
> > >
> > > I'll see if the sums are correct, and if it boots but I need to
> > > collect TDE for bullseye before I install.
> >
> > If you install and get it on the network - then you can just pull in
> > TDE by adding the ppa in your apt sources.
> 
> This isn't ubuntu.
> 
> > Alternatively - there's a bunch of desktops that are lighter than
> > GNOME available to you at install.
> >
TDE isn't packaged in Debian - so it is a ppa / from another Debian-based
distribution: you are creating a slight FrankenDebian :) Try installing
it on one of your spare new Dells. 

In Bullseye - so Debian repositories only -you've got LXDE / LXQT - both 
vaguely old KDE like and based on QT. You've got Cinnamon and Mate which 
are older lighterweight Gnome-alikes and you've also got XFCE.

> Go warsh yur fingers now Andy :), gno* is not my cup of tea. Neither is 
> the new kde. TDE, generally Just Works, they've fixed tons of bugs Ingo 
> K. couldn't be bothered with back in the day. He was always too busy 
> herding cats. :(
> 
> I been using kmail for nearly 20 years now, some original mail traffic in 
> my email corpus dates to 2002, so I know its warts well.
> 
Take care now, Gene. Good luck with it all.

All best, as ever,

Andy C.

> Thanks Andy C.
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> -- 
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
>  - Louis D. Brandeis
> Genes Web page 
> 

Re: vanilla kernel Debian package

[Cecil Westerhof]

Richard Lucassen  writes:

> On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 11:59:12 +0200
> Cecil Westerhof  wrote:
>
>> Richard Lucassen  writes:
>> 
>> > $ mv linux-5.10.32 linux-5.10.32-apu1-5.10.32
>> 
>> Waar komt die apu1 vandaan?
>
> Uit Zwitserland:
>
> https://pcengines.ch/apu.htm

Bedankt, nu snap ik het.

-- 
Cecil Westerhof
Senior Software Engineer
LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/cecilwesterhof

Re: pci 0000:00:01:0: MSI quirk detected; subordinated MSI disabled ...

[Dan Ritter]

Albretch Mueller wrote: 
> 
>  I would also love to see networking taken out of the Linux kernel,
> but this is an entirely different, hellishly "political" issue.

You can compile your own kernel with no hardware network
drivers.

-dsr-

Re: pci 0000:00:01:0: MSI quirk detected; subordinated MSI disabled ...

[Dan Ritter]

Albretch Mueller wrote: 

 
>  You can -almost- always go monkey and do that one way or another, but
> I would like for Debian to make more official an offline mode for
> using apt probably based on java, so that any machine could be used to
> download packages to be then installed off-line for those of us who
> don't/can't see the Internet as a trusted environment.

Why? A web browser will work. 

http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/

Pull the packages you want and save them on your choice of
media, then bring the media over to your off-line box and copy
them over. apt or dpkg can install from the files.

What you lose this way (besides time) is having apt calculate
which supporting packages you need. However, 

https://packages.debian.org

will happily tell you all the dependencies of any given package,
and then you can get all the dependencies of each of those, and 
so on.

-dsr-

Re: TDE (Trinity Desktop Environment) vs KDE

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 04:23:02PM -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote:
> I saw TDE discussed in another, recent Thread, and had to look it up, as I
> am not familiar with it.
> 
> How does it compare with the current KDE?  Other than a qemu VM with KDE
> (so that I can examine it), I haven't used KDE in years (using XFCE for
> most of my systems, but with one current Gnome Desktop).
> 
> Is it worth using *instead* of KDE, or would that throw me into a mess?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Kenneth Parker

It's designed to replace any of the other desktop environments so KDE and TDE
might be a bit of a mess. Trinity is KDE 3 inspired so KDE from quite a while
ago - it is lighterweight but it is tied very much to Q4OS which is Debian
based but not pure Debian.

Does this help?

All the very best, as ever,

Andy C.

TDE (Trinity Desktop Environment) vs KDE

[Kenneth Parker]

I saw TDE discussed in another, recent Thread, and had to look it up, as I
am not familiar with it.

How does it compare with the current KDE?  Other than a qemu VM with KDE
(so that I can examine it), I haven't used KDE in years (using XFCE for
most of my systems, but with one current Gnome Desktop).

Is it worth using *instead* of KDE, or would that throw me into a mess?

Thanks!

Kenneth Parker

Re: pci 0000:00:01:0: MSI quirk detected; subordinated MSI disabled ...

[Albretch Mueller]

 Debian doesn't stop to amaze me. I have an "old" 2 GiB RAM
MacAirbook1,1 without its hard drive and without internal CMOS timing
and with only one USB port (I wonder what those folks were thinking
about when they designed those laptops).

 A Debian live DVD boots fine from a USB hub, then I go "hwclock --set
..." and do a hot reset (the set time will be kept) and use a USB pen
drive. Knoppix just shows to me a question sign on a light and dark
gray background.

 I will get "married" to Debian (why not? some people would marry
their pets ... ;-)) if it includes the following startup options right
of the live DVD:

 * toram
 * memtest
 * testCD

 In my opinion none of those functions are hard to include at all.

 You can -almost- always go monkey and do that one way or another, but
I would like for Debian to make more official an offline mode for
using apt probably based on java, so that any machine could be used to
download packages to be then installed off-line for those of us who
don't/can't see the Internet as a trusted environment.

 I would also love to see networking taken out of the Linux kernel,
but this is an entirely different, hellishly "political" issue.

 lbrtchx

Re: How do I add --allow-tell option to debian-spamd command?

[Steve Dondley]

On 2021-04-22 03:40 PM, Steve Dondley wrote:

I recently uninstalled the stock buster package of spamassassin
(3.4.2) and installed a newer version from backports (3.4.4).

On 3.4.2, I had the debian-spamd command configured with the
--allow-tell option. It was easy to set up as I recall.

However, with 3.4.4, things seem a little more complicated (maybe it's
using systemd now?).

At any rate, it's unclear where I can drop in --allow-tell option so
it is applied whenever spamd is stopped/started/reloaded. Can someone
please clue me in?


OK, just found the solution:

Edit the "OPTIONS" value in /etc/default/spamassassin

Re: looks like I need an hid interface

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 22 April 2021 15:14:29 Thomas Schmitt wrote:

> Hi,
>
> i wrote:
> > > Can you tell the questions which you get asked and what you
> > > answered ?
> >
> > jigdo-lite filename.jigdo
>
> It would help if you quote the dialog literally, skipping lengthy
> messages but telling each question text and each of your inputs.
>
> Our list fellow Steve McIntyre, the maintainer of jigdo-lite, is quite
> surely busy with getting Debian ready for release day. So i plan to
> dig in jigdo-lite's source code and make tests by help of the info you
> provide.
>
> > >  
> > > https://wiki.debian.org/JigdoOnLive#Download_one_or_more_Jigdo_ISO
> > >s
> >
> > That page IS helpfull, but the one I landed on originally wasn't.
>
> Note that in my tests for that page in 2018 i ran
>
>   jigdo-lite
>
> without any argument.
>
> (If your jigdo-lite is old, then it needs help with the imodern https:
> URLs, as described in
>  
> https://wiki.debian.org/JigdoOnLive#If_needed.2C_work_around_a_shortco
>ming_of_older_jigdo-lite )
>
> > it wasted at least 10 minutes banging on carroll.something.edu with
> > no response.
>
> It would be interesting to see how your actual program run and your
> actual input led to carroll.aset.psu.edu.
>
> I cannot find "psu" in
>   https://www.debian.org/mirror/list
> In 2011 carroll.cac.psu.edu seems to have hosted a xorriso RPM of
> Madriva. But Google finds me no traces of xorriso .deb packages on
> psu.edu.
>
> > > Have a nice day :)
> >
> > I'll reserve that for if and when its done and I can write a dvd.
>
> Looking forward to the DVD stage. :))
>
It boots. But I'm not ready to crawl under that desk and unplug all the 
other drives while I do the install until I can pull in TDE as soon as 
the install is done, then plug in this drive back in and copy over my 
~/bin directory so email is then fully automated. All so I have a 
familiar email client. And I've a bunch of stuff in my AppImages 
directory that might still work. Continuity is the word. That means 
adequate prep.
>
> Have a nice day :)
>
> Thomas
You too Thomas.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

How do I add --allow-tell option to debian-spamd command?

[Steve Dondley]

I recently uninstalled the stock buster package of spamassassin (3.4.2) 
and installed a newer version from backports (3.4.4).


On 3.4.2, I had the debian-spamd command configured with the 
--allow-tell option. It was easy to set up as I recall.


However, with 3.4.4, things seem a little more complicated (maybe it's 
using systemd now?).


At any rate, it's unclear where I can drop in --allow-tell option so it 
is applied whenever spamd is stopped/started/reloaded. Can someone 
please clue me in?

Re: looks like I need an hid interface

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 22 April 2021 15:10:34 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 02:47:43PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Thursday 22 April 2021 14:23:13 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 01:18:06PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > On Thursday 22 April 2021 13:00:42 deloptes wrote:
> > > > > Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > > > > > The bullseye-RC1 iso files are out: Bullseye is frozen so
> > > > > > there aren't many files moving at the moment - now would be
> > > > > > quite a good time to try an installation - and tell folks
> > > > > > how it went.
> > > > >
> > > > > tried, but there are things not working, missing etc. Nothing
> > > > > unusual, but now I plan upgrades for late summer or even later
> > > >
> > > > I think after my attempt, as I stopped the iso from the central
> > > > european region, and tried jigdo-lite, but its not ready for
> > > > prime time. Stuck on a machine at carrol which doesn't exist,
> > > > see my previous post.
> > >
> > > https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/bullseye_di_rc1/amd64/ji
> > >gdo- cd/debian-bullseye-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.jigdo
> > > https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/bullseye_di_rc1/amd64/ji
> > >gdo- cd/debian-bullseye-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.template
> > >
> > > And
> > >
> > > http://deb.debian.org/debian/
> > >
> > > [In other words the CDN - content distribution network - and it
> > > "just works"]
> > >
> > > I had also tried it with my local mirror - which is faster because
> > > it's less than 20 metres away - same result.
> > >
> > > It does, however, do the right thing and warn that MD5 is no
> > > longer a secure hash.
> > >
> > > For DVD, substitute the DVD .jigdo files - I generally find that I
> > > download the .jigdo and .template files into my home directory and
> > > then use
> > >
> > > file:///home/someusersomewhere/debian-bullseye-DI-rc1-amd64-netins
> > >t.ji gdo
> > > file:///home/someusersomewhere/debian-bullseye-DI-rc1-amd64-netins
> > >t.te mplate
> > >
> > > Hope this helps,
> > >
> > > Andy C.
> > >
> > > > I'm with deloptes, let us know when it does work.
> >
> > And it did, I'm writing a R/W dvd right now. It appears I have 2 100
> > spindles of dvd's, been kept in the dark in a closed file cabinet
> > drawer, that have aged out and are unusable now. But R/W sony's
> > still work. I think, k3b tried to erase a blank R/W and reported it
> > failed, but went ahead and wrote it anyway.
> >
> > I'll see if the sums are correct, and if it boots but I need to
> > collect TDE for bullseye before I install.
>
> If you install and get it on the network - then you can just pull in
> TDE by adding the ppa in your apt sources.

This isn't ubuntu.

> Alternatively - there's a bunch of desktops that are lighter than
> GNOME available to you at install.
>
Go warsh yur fingers now Andy :), gno* is not my cup of tea. Neither is 
the new kde. TDE, generally Just Works, they've fixed tons of bugs Ingo 
K. couldn't be bothered with back in the day. He was always too busy 
herding cats. :(

I been using kmail for nearly 20 years now, some original mail traffic in 
my email corpus dates to 2002, so I know its warts well.

Thanks Andy C.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: looks like I need an hid interface

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

i wrote:
> > Can you tell the questions which you get asked and what you answered ?

> jigdo-lite filename.jigdo

It would help if you quote the dialog literally, skipping lengthy messages
but telling each question text and each of your inputs.

Our list fellow Steve McIntyre, the maintainer of jigdo-lite, is quite
surely busy with getting Debian ready for release day. So i plan to dig
in jigdo-lite's source code and make tests by help of the info you provide.


> >   https://wiki.debian.org/JigdoOnLive#Download_one_or_more_Jigdo_ISOs

> That page IS helpfull, but the one I landed on originally wasn't.

Note that in my tests for that page in 2018 i ran

  jigdo-lite

without any argument.

(If your jigdo-lite is old, then it needs help with the imodern https: URLs,
as described in
  
https://wiki.debian.org/JigdoOnLive#If_needed.2C_work_around_a_shortcoming_of_older_jigdo-lite
)


> it wasted at least 10 minutes banging on carroll.something.edu with no
> response.

It would be interesting to see how your actual program run and your
actual input led to carroll.aset.psu.edu.

I cannot find "psu" in
  https://www.debian.org/mirror/list
In 2011 carroll.cac.psu.edu seems to have hosted a xorriso RPM of Madriva.
But Google finds me no traces of xorriso .deb packages on psu.edu.


> > Have a nice day :)

> I'll reserve that for if and when its done and I can write a dvd.

Looking forward to the DVD stage. :))


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: looks like I need an hid interface

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 02:47:43PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Thursday 22 April 2021 14:23:13 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 01:18:06PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Thursday 22 April 2021 13:00:42 deloptes wrote:
> > > > Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > > > > The bullseye-RC1 iso files are out: Bullseye is frozen so there
> > > > > aren't many files moving at the moment - now would be quite a
> > > > > good time to try an installation - and tell folks how it went.
> > > >
> > > > tried, but there are things not working, missing etc. Nothing
> > > > unusual, but now I plan upgrades for late summer or even later
> > >
> > > I think after my attempt, as I stopped the iso from the central
> > > european region, and tried jigdo-lite, but its not ready for prime
> > > time. Stuck on a machine at carrol which doesn't exist, see my
> > > previous post.
> >
> > https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/bullseye_di_rc1/amd64/jigdo-
> >cd/debian-bullseye-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.jigdo
> > https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/bullseye_di_rc1/amd64/jigdo-
> >cd/debian-bullseye-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.template
> >
> > And
> >
> > http://deb.debian.org/debian/
> >
> > [In other words the CDN - content distribution network - and it "just
> > works"]
> >
> > I had also tried it with my local mirror - which is faster because
> > it's less than 20 metres away - same result.
> >
> > It does, however, do the right thing and warn that MD5 is no longer a
> > secure hash.
> >
> > For DVD, substitute the DVD .jigdo files - I generally find that I
> > download the .jigdo and .template files into my home directory and
> > then use
> >
> > file:///home/someusersomewhere/debian-bullseye-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.ji
> >gdo
> > file:///home/someusersomewhere/debian-bullseye-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.te
> >mplate
> >
> > Hope this helps,
> >
> > Andy C.
> >
> > > I'm with deloptes, let us know when it does work.
> 
> And it did, I'm writing a R/W dvd right now. It appears I have 2 100 
> spindles of dvd's, been kept in the dark in a closed file cabinet 
> drawer, that have aged out and are unusable now. But R/W sony's still 
> work. I think, k3b tried to erase a blank R/W and reported it failed, 
> but went ahead and wrote it anyway.
> 
> I'll see if the sums are correct, and if it boots but I need to collect 
> TDE for bullseye before I install.
> 
If you install and get it on the network - then you can just pull in TDE
by adding the ppa in your apt sources.

Alternatively - there's a bunch of desktops that are lighter than GNOME
available to you at install.

All the best,

Andy C.

> > > Cheers, Gene Heskett
> > > --
> > > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> > >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > > -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> > > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law
> > > respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
> > > Genes Web page 
> 
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> -- 
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
>  - Louis D. Brandeis
> Genes Web page 
> 

Re: looks like I need an hid interface

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 22 April 2021 14:23:13 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 01:18:06PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Thursday 22 April 2021 13:00:42 deloptes wrote:
> > > Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > > > The bullseye-RC1 iso files are out: Bullseye is frozen so there
> > > > aren't many files moving at the moment - now would be quite a
> > > > good time to try an installation - and tell folks how it went.
> > >
> > > tried, but there are things not working, missing etc. Nothing
> > > unusual, but now I plan upgrades for late summer or even later
> >
> > I think after my attempt, as I stopped the iso from the central
> > european region, and tried jigdo-lite, but its not ready for prime
> > time. Stuck on a machine at carrol which doesn't exist, see my
> > previous post.
>
> https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/bullseye_di_rc1/amd64/jigdo-
>cd/debian-bullseye-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.jigdo
> https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/bullseye_di_rc1/amd64/jigdo-
>cd/debian-bullseye-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.template
>
> And
>
> http://deb.debian.org/debian/
>
> [In other words the CDN - content distribution network - and it "just
> works"]
>
> I had also tried it with my local mirror - which is faster because
> it's less than 20 metres away - same result.
>
> It does, however, do the right thing and warn that MD5 is no longer a
> secure hash.
>
> For DVD, substitute the DVD .jigdo files - I generally find that I
> download the .jigdo and .template files into my home directory and
> then use
>
> file:///home/someusersomewhere/debian-bullseye-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.ji
>gdo
> file:///home/someusersomewhere/debian-bullseye-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.te
>mplate
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Andy C.
>
> > I'm with deloptes, let us know when it does work.

And it did, I'm writing a R/W dvd right now. It appears I have 2 100 
spindles of dvd's, been kept in the dark in a closed file cabinet 
drawer, that have aged out and are unusable now. But R/W sony's still 
work. I think, k3b tried to erase a blank R/W and reported it failed, 
but went ahead and wrote it anyway.

I'll see if the sums are correct, and if it boots but I need to collect 
TDE for bullseye before I install.

> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
> > --
> > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law
> > respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
> > Genes Web page 


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: scanner recommendation

[Russell]

Brian  wrote:
 
> As with all of these asking for recommendations type questions, there
> is little detail provided. For example, do you want a standalone scanner
> or would an MFD suit?
> 
> sane-airscan supports all modern MFDs. Shopping online would allow you
> to submit your preferred choice here for scrutiny.
> 

I really like my HP MFD laser printer/scanner. I use a combination of
hplip and CUPS and I'm able to scan over wifi in SimpleScan and XSane. I
used hp-makeuri that is part of hplip and used that URI to add the
printer in the CUPS web interface.

Altough, I've never gotten the autofeed to work properly... :(

-- 
rust
0x68caecc97f6a90122e51c0692c88d9cb6b58a3dc

Re: looks like I need an hid interface

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 01:18:06PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Thursday 22 April 2021 13:00:42 deloptes wrote:
> 
> > Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > > The bullseye-RC1 iso files are out: Bullseye is frozen so there
> > > aren't many files moving at the moment - now would be quite a good
> > > time to try an installation - and tell folks how it went.
> >
> > tried, but there are things not working, missing etc. Nothing unusual,
> > but now I plan upgrades for late summer or even later
> 
> I think after my attempt, as I stopped the iso from the central european 
> region, and tried jigdo-lite, but its not ready for prime time. Stuck on 
> a machine at carrol which doesn't exist, see my previous post.
> 
https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/bullseye_di_rc1/amd64/jigdo-cd/debian-bullseye-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.jigdo
https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/bullseye_di_rc1/amd64/jigdo-cd/debian-bullseye-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.template

And 

http://deb.debian.org/debian/

[In other words the CDN - content distribution network - and it "just works"]

I had also tried it with my local mirror - which is faster because it's 
less than 20 metres away - same result.

It does, however, do the right thing and warn that MD5 is no longer a secure
hash.

For DVD, substitute the DVD .jigdo files - I generally find that I download
the .jigdo and .template files into my home directory and then use

file:///home/someusersomewhere/debian-bullseye-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.jigdo
file:///home/someusersomewhere/debian-bullseye-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.template

Hope this helps,

Andy C.
> I'm with deloptes, let us know when it does work.
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> -- 
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
>  - Louis D. Brandeis
> Genes Web page 
> 

Re: looks like I need an hid interface

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 22 April 2021 13:07:22 Thomas Schmitt wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > > The bullseye-RC1 iso files are out:
>
> Gene Heskett wrote:
> > And I like to use jigdo, but
> > its been putzed with since the last time I used it, and I couldn't
> > make it run as it demanded far more arguments than it used to.
>
> Can you tell the questions which you get asked and what you answered ?
>
jigdo-lite filename.jigdo

its stuck asking for the number of the image to download, I entered 1, 
and its silent for about 30 seconds then asks again, wash rinse and 
repeat for just the enter key. I gave up and ctl-c'd it after 4 or so 
times around that mulberry bush.

If this stuff is going to get played with, have the courtesy to update 
the help screens too so we know what we fat fingered to fubar it. The 
only thing the jigdo-lite help screen is useful for is to get its 
version number. no examples, no syntax error, nothing usefull.

> Are there more or other questions than in
>   https://wiki.debian.org/JigdoOnLive#Download_one_or_more_Jigdo_ISOs

That page IS helpfull, but the one I landed on originally wasn't.

Then I noted as I'm typing this, some traffic in gkrellm's net window so 
I go back to that terminal screen I thought I'd killed it in, and its 
working now. But it wasted at least 10 minutes banging on 
carroll.something.edu with no response.  The first unk response should 
have interrogated a backup site.
>
> Have a nice day :)
>
I'll reserve that for if and when its done and I can write a dvd.

Thanks  Thomas
> Thomas


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: looks like I need an hid interface

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 22 April 2021 13:00:42 deloptes wrote:

> Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > The bullseye-RC1 iso files are out: Bullseye is frozen so there
> > aren't many files moving at the moment - now would be quite a good
> > time to try an installation - and tell folks how it went.
>
> tried, but there are things not working, missing etc. Nothing unusual,
> but now I plan upgrades for late summer or even later

I think after my attempt, as I stopped the iso from the central european 
region, and tried jigdo-lite, but its not ready for prime time. Stuck on 
a machine at carrol which doesn't exist, see my previous post.

I'm with deloptes, let us know when it does work.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: looks like I need an hid interface

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 22 April 2021 11:23:42 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 10:40:36AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 10:35:33AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Thursday 22 April 2021 09:52:57 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > > > The bullseye-RC1 iso files are out: Bullseye is frozen so there
> > > > aren't many files moving at the moment - now would be quite a
> > > > good time to try an installation - and tell folks how it went.
> > >
> > > Well, it won't do a lot of good to keep the .ISO's URL a secret,
> > > now will it?
> >
> > https://www.google.com/search?q=bullseye%20rc1%20iso
>
> Specifically:
> https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/bullseye_di_rc1/
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Andy C.
I finallly got jigdo-lite to run, but its stuck on carroll.aset.psu.edu 
with name or service not known.

--2021-04-22 13:11:49--  
http://carroll.aset.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian/pool/main/libr/libreoffice/libreoffice-sdbc-postgresql_7.0.4-3_amd64.deb
Resolving carroll.aset.psu.edu (carroll.aset.psu.edu)... failed: Name or 
service not known.
wget: unable to resolve host address ‘carroll.aset.psu.edu’
--2021-04-22 13:12:09--  
http://carroll.aset.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian/pool/main/u/upower/upower_0.99.11-2_amd64.deb
Resolving carroll.aset.psu.edu (carroll.aset.psu.edu)... failed: Name or 
service not known.
wget: unable to resolve host address ‘carroll.aset.psu.edu’
Skipping object `debian-testing-amd64-DVD-1.iso.tmpdir' (No such file or 
directory)
Found 0 of the 5174 files required by the template
Will not create image or temporary file - try again with different input 
files
--2021-04-22 13:12:14--  
http://carroll.aset.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian/pool/main/m/mesa/libgles2-mesa_20.3.4-1_amd64.deb
Resolving carroll.aset.psu.edu (carroll.aset.psu.edu)... failed: Name or 
service not known.
wget: unable to resolve host address ‘carroll.aset.psu.edu’
--2021-04-22 13:12:14--  
http://carroll.aset.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian/dists/sid/main/installer-amd64/20210415/images/netboot/debian-installer/amd64/grub/x86_64-efi/procfs.mod
Resolving carroll.aset.psu.edu (carroll.aset.psu.edu)... failed: Name or 
service not known.
wget: unable to resolve host address ‘carroll.aset.psu.edu’
--2021-04-22 13:12:14--  
http://carroll.aset.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian/pool/main/libv/libvdpau-va-gl/libvdpau-va-gl1_0.4.2-1+b1_amd64.deb
Resolving carroll.aset.psu.edu (carroll.aset.psu.edu)... failed: Name or 
service not known.
wget: unable to resolve host address ‘carroll.aset.psu.edu’
--2021-04-22 13:12:14--  
http://carroll.aset.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian/dists/sid/main/installer-amd64/20210415/images/netboot/debian-installer/amd64/grub/x86_64-efi/video_colors.mod
Resolving carroll.aset.psu.edu (carroll.aset.psu.edu)... failed: Name or 
service not known.
wget: unable to resolve host address ‘carroll.aset.psu.edu’
--2021-04-22 13:12:14--  
http://carroll.aset.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian/pool/main/s/signond/libsignon-qt5-1_8.60-4_amd64.deb
Resolving carroll.aset.psu.edu (carroll.aset.psu.edu)... failed: Name or 
service not known.
wget: unable to resolve host address ‘carroll.aset.psu.edu’
--2021-04-22 13:12:14--  
http://carroll.aset.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian/pool/main/libr/libreoffice/libreoffice-base_7.0.4-3_amd64.deb
Resolving carroll.aset.psu.edu (carroll.aset.psu.edu)... 

let me know when it will work.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: looks like I need an hid interface

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > The bullseye-RC1 iso files are out:

Gene Heskett wrote:
> And I like to use jigdo, but
> its been putzed with since the last time I used it, and I couldn't make
> it run as it demanded far more arguments than it used to.

Can you tell the questions which you get asked and what you answered ?

Are there more or other questions than in
  https://wiki.debian.org/JigdoOnLive#Download_one_or_more_Jigdo_ISOs
?


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Strange emacs behavior after upgrade to bullseye

[Curt]

On 2021-04-20, Rainer Dorsch  wrote:
>
> Other editors (vi, kate) don't report any issue when performain an edit 
> operation. Is emacs trying to derive permissions in a different way?

There's this bug, which may or may not be pertinent.

https://gnu.emacs.bug.narkive.com/LoN17xVM/bug-37884-27-0-50-cannot-write-to-a-file-in-virtualbox-shared-directory

> Thanks
> Rainer
>


-- 

Re: looks like I need an hid interface

[deloptes]

Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

> The bullseye-RC1 iso files are out: Bullseye is frozen so there aren't
> many files moving at the moment - now would be quite a good time to try
> an installation - and tell folks how it went.

tried, but there are things not working, missing etc. Nothing unusual, but
now I plan upgrades for late summer or even later

Re: Some services cannot start at boot time because /run is not initialized

[Kenneth Parker]

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 11:37 AM Dan Ritter  wrote:

> Kenneth Parker wrote:
> > Is Debian using Zram now?  (I will need to check my Bullseye system when
> I
> > get home).
> >
> > So is Debian "sneaking" Zram on us, or do you have to select it yourself?
>
> It's an option, not a default.
>
> -dsr-
>

Awesome.

Kenneth Parker

>

Re: looks like I need an hid interface

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 22 April 2021 10:40:36 Greg Wooledge wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 10:35:33AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Thursday 22 April 2021 09:52:57 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > > The bullseye-RC1 iso files are out: Bullseye is frozen so there
> > > aren't many files moving at the moment - now would be quite a good
> > > time to try an installation - and tell folks how it went.
> >
> > Well, it won't do a lot of good to keep the .ISO's URL a secret, now
> > will it?
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=bullseye%20rc1%20iso

Which is quite some clicks from the target. And I like to use jigdo, but 
its been putzed with since the last time I used it, and I couldn't make 
it run as it demanded far more arguments than it used to. So I'm getting 
the first iso from an .se site. Crazy. Dumb even. As if it can't tell 
I'm in the right half of the US.

But its oozing in.  Thanks Greg

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: Some services cannot start at boot time because /run is not initialized

[Dan Ritter]

Kenneth Parker wrote: 
> Is Debian using Zram now?  (I will need to check my Bullseye system when I
> get home).
> 
> So is Debian "sneaking" Zram on us, or do you have to select it yourself?

It's an option, not a default.

-dsr-

Re: Strange emacs behavior after upgrade to bullseye

[Rainer Dorsch]

Hi David,

I did some more testing, you can see the effect on bullseye without vboxsf even 
on a ext4 filesystem.

Am Mittwoch, 21. April 2021, 20:49:14 CEST schrieb David Wright:
[...deleted a lot of history]
> > -> buster emacs did not care at all about .# on filesystems which do not
> > support symlinks. Somehow the permissions changed while the system was on
> > buster, possibly by virtualbox or by me myself in an accidential or
> > intended chmod -R a-w  or something similar. I noticed the error but
> > reverted it only for the visible files. But since buster emacs did not
> > care nobody noticed.
> I can't reproduce that. I get locks (that are files) and autosave
> files, both these being listed in the usual manner in each user's own
> respective ~/.emacs.d/.saves--~ files.
> However, AIUI locks only get created by the user who owns the directory
> (I assume), and not by others. In your case, the owner was root, and
> you were not running emacs as root.
> 
> Also bear in mind that locks aren't created until a need arises.
> Opening a file in emacs is not enough: you have to modify the buffer.
> 
> Upon attempting to save a file being edited by several users, I get
> the expected response with the user@host and PID of any valid lock.
> I also observe the use of ~/.emacs.d/%backup%~ when an instance won't
> overwrite the normal backup file, filename~, which it realises it
> didn't write itself, perhaps.

I did go to a buster system with btrfs:

rd@master:~$ touch test.txt
rd@master:~$ touch .#test.txt
rd@master:~$ chmod a-w .#test.txt
rd@master:~$ emacs test.txt
 
works without emacs complaining about anything.

.# files are created as symlinks. I had no filesystem which does not support 
symlinks on that system.

> > -> bullseye emacs not does not create the .# files on file systems, if
> > they
> > don't have symlink support. But it finds them and puts the file in
> > read-only mode, if it is there. In addition, it tries to cleanup and
> > delete these files, which failed due to the wrong permission.
> > 
> > Even on a file system which supports symlinks, the problem can be easily
> > reproduced by
> > 
> > rd@h370:~$ touch test.txt
> > rd@h370:~$ touch .#test.txt
> > rd@h370:~$ chmod a-w .#test.txt
> > rd@h370:~$ emacs test.txt
> > 
> > What is somewhat ugly is that after toggling read-only mode and editing
> > the
> > file, I cannot leave emacs anymore, it hangs.
> > 
> > I am undecided if that is a bug and I should report it or a real corner
> > case which is not worth to invest more time.
> 
> When I start (buster) emacs with a fake, empty lock(file), even one
> that I own like the above, it's not refreshed, but merely ignored.
> Nor is the fake lock removed when emacs exits. I would assume that
> a lock only works if the information it holds is valid, as far as
> can be determined. I haven't bothered to check what happens with
> manifestly stale locks (ie holding verifiable information).
> 
> I don't know how vboxsf is implemented, but I think it would be
> necessary to disentangle the effects of the underlying components,
> filesystem, OS, access method, before attributing strange behaviour
> to emacs.

On the bullseye system with ext4 (but I do not expect that ext4 vs btrfs makes 
a difference):

rd@h370:~$ touch test.txt
rd@h370:~$ touch .#test.txt
rd@h370:~$ chmod a-w .#test.txt
rd@h370:~$ emacs test.txt
 
opens test.txt as read only and if I modify it and try to leave emacs it even 
hangs.

Rainer

-- 
Rainer Dorsch
http://bokomoko.de/

Re: Some services cannot start at boot time because /run is not initialized

[Kenneth Parker]

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 8:26 AM Dmitry Katsubo  wrote:

> Dear Debian community,
>
> I have noticed that all failed services were missing some directories
> under /run directory. I checked the service which is supposed to create
> them:
>
> *  systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service - Create Volatile Files and Directories
>Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service;
> static; vendor preset: enabled)
>Active: inactive (dead)
>  Docs: man:tmpfiles.d(5)
>man:systemd-tmpfiles(8)
>
> systemd[1]: sysinit.target: Found ordering cycle on
> systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service/start
> systemd[1]: sysinit.target: Found dependency on local-fs.target/start
> systemd[1]: sysinit.target: Found dependency on zram-setup@zram1.service
> /start
> systemd[1]: sysinit.target: Found dependency on sysinit.target/start
> systemd[1]: sysinit.target: Job systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service/start
> deleted to break ordering cycle starting with sysinit.target/start
>
> and it looks like there is problem in zram-setup@zram1.service which I
> configured like that:
>
> [Unit]
> Requires=dev-%i.device
> After=dev-%i.device
> Before=local-fs.target
> [Install]
> WantedBy=local-fs.target
>
> # systemctl show -p Requires,Wants,Requisite,BindsTo,PartOf,Before,After
> local-fs.target
> Requires=home.mount -.mount var.mount
> Requisite=
> Wants=systemd-fsck-root.service zram-setup@zram0.service
> zram-setup@zram1.service systemd-remount-fs.service
> BindsTo=
> PartOf=
> Before=binfmt-support.service sysinit.target
> systemd-machine-id-commit.service systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service
> networking.service systemd-tmpfiles-clean.service console-setup.service
> After=run-user-1000.mount zram-setup@zram0.service root.mount -.mount
> tmp.mount zram-setup@zram1.service systemd-fsck-root.service
> systemd-remount-fs.service home.mount var.mount local-fs-pre.target
>
> Even though I don't see any conflict with dependencies, it is confusing
> systemd.
>
> Any idea concerning how to fix that is welcomed.
>

Is Debian using Zram now?  (I will need to check my Bullseye system when I
get home).

A couple of years (or so) ago, Ubuntu inflicted Zram on me without advanced
notice, on a system with only 4G Ram, leaving me with nothing to run my
system on.  Needless to say, after I troubleshooted it, I banned Zram on
any future Ubuntu systems.

So is Debian "sneaking" Zram on us, or do you have to select it yourself?

>
> On 2020-06-29 01:37, Dmitry Katsubo wrote:
> > Dear Debian community,
> >
> > I hit the similar problem but this time with /run folder. Few services
> have
> > failed to start:
> >
> > # systemctl status php7.0-fpm.service
> > Jun 24 23:09:48 debian php-fpm7.0[893]: [24-Jun-2020 23:09:48] ERROR:
> unable to bind listening socket for address '/run/php/php7.0-fpm.sock': No
> such file or directory (2)
> > Jun 24 23:09:48 debian php-fpm7.0[893]: [24-Jun-2020 23:09:48] ERROR:
> FPM initialization failed
> > Jun 24 23:09:48 debian systemd[1]: php7.0-fpm.service: Main process
> exited, code=exited, status=78/CONFIG
> > Jun 24 23:09:48 debian systemd[1]: php7.0-fpm.service: Failed with
> result 'exit-code'.
> > Jun 24 23:09:48 debian systemd[1]: Failed to start The PHP 7.0 FastCGI
> Process Manager.
> >
> > # systemctl status motioneye.service
> > Jun 24 23:09:47 debian systemd[1]: Started motionEye Server.
> > Jun 24 23:09:48 debian meyectl[895]: INFO: hello! this is motionEye
> server 0.41
> > Jun 24 23:09:48 debian meyectl[895]: CRITICAL: pid directory
> "/run/motioneye" does not exist or is not writable
> > Jun 24 23:09:48 debian systemd[1]: motioneye.service: Main process
> exited, code=exited, status=255/EXCEPTION
> > Jun 24 23:09:48 debian systemd[1]: motioneye.service: Failed with result
> 'exit-code'.
> >
> > # cat /etc/tmpfiles.d/php.conf
> > d /run/php/sessions 1733 root root
> >
> > # cat /etc/tmpfiles.d/motioneye.conf
> > d /run/motioneye 0750 motion motion
> >
> > Just after the boot I have inspected /run folder. It was created/mounted
> > correctly and there have been a lot of files/directories there. I
> suspect that
> > all services that have created the necessary directory under /run were
> able to
> > start normally. Few of them which relied on existence of specific
> directory,
> > have failed to started. After I have replayed the corresponding
> instructions for
> > tmpfiles.d, the services have started normally.
> >
> > I have a feeling that systemd-tmpfiles was executed before /run was
> mounted.
> >
> > Needless to note that the problem is not persistent: sometimes OS boots
> without
> > a single failed service.
> >
> > How can I debug the problem?
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> > On 2020-05-18 02:39, Dmitry Katsubo wrote:
> >> On 2020-05-11 20:11, Darac Marjal wrote:
> >>> On 11/05/2020 08:40, Reco wrote:
> Hi.
> 
>  On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 09:33:59AM +0200, Dmitry Katsubo wrote:
> 
> > root@debian:~ # systemctl status binfmt-support
> > *  binfmt-support.service - Enable 

Re: looks like I need an hid interface

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 10:40:36AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 10:35:33AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Thursday 22 April 2021 09:52:57 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > > The bullseye-RC1 iso files are out: Bullseye is frozen so there aren't
> > > many files moving at the moment - now would be quite a good time to
> > > try an installation - and tell folks how it went.
> > >
> > Well, it won't do a lot of good to keep the .ISO's URL a secret, now will 
> > it?
> 
> https://www.google.com/search?q=bullseye%20rc1%20iso
> 

Specifically: https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/bullseye_di_rc1/

Hope this helps,

Andy C.

Re: Some services cannot start at boot time because /run is not initialized

[Sven Joachim]

On 2021-04-22 14:26 +0200, Dmitry Katsubo wrote:

> Dear Debian community,
>
> I have noticed that all failed services were missing some directories under 
> /run directory. I checked the service which is supposed to create them:
>
> *  systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service - Create Volatile Files and Directories
>Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service; 
> static; vendor preset: enabled)
>Active: inactive (dead)
>  Docs: man:tmpfiles.d(5)
>man:systemd-tmpfiles(8)
>
> systemd[1]: sysinit.target: Found ordering cycle on 
> systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service/start
> systemd[1]: sysinit.target: Found dependency on local-fs.target/start
> systemd[1]: sysinit.target: Found dependency on zram-setup@zram1.service/start
> systemd[1]: sysinit.target: Found dependency on sysinit.target/start
> systemd[1]: sysinit.target: Job systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service/start deleted 
> to break ordering cycle starting with sysinit.target/start

This is obviously bad, since many files and directories under /run will
be missing.

> and it looks like there is problem in zram-setup@zram1.service which I 
> configured like that:
>
> [Unit]
> Requires=dev-%i.device
> After=dev-%i.device
> Before=local-fs.target
> [Install]
> WantedBy=local-fs.target
>
> # systemctl show -p Requires,Wants,Requisite,BindsTo,PartOf,Before,After 
> local-fs.target
> Requires=home.mount -.mount var.mount
> Requisite=
> Wants=systemd-fsck-root.service zram-setup@zram0.service 
> zram-setup@zram1.service systemd-remount-fs.service
> BindsTo=
> PartOf=
> Before=binfmt-support.service sysinit.target 
> systemd-machine-id-commit.service systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service 
> networking.service systemd-tmpfiles-clean.service console-setup.service
> After=run-user-1000.mount zram-setup@zram0.service root.mount -.mount 
> tmp.mount zram-setup@zram1.service systemd-fsck-root.service 
> systemd-remount-fs.service home.mount var.mount local-fs-pre.target
>
> Even though I don't see any conflict with dependencies, it is confusing 
> systemd.
>
> Any idea concerning how to fix that is welcomed.

I think you need to add a line with

DefaultDependencies=no

to the [Unit] section of your .service file.  That is because by
default, all services have an implicit dependency on sysinit.target (see
systemd.target(5)), and sysinit.target depends on local-fs.target:

,
| $ systemctl show -p WantedBy local-fs.target
| WantedBy=sysinit.target
`

HTH,
Sven

Re: Grub et boot plus que bizarres

[ajh-valmer]

On Tuesday 20 April 2021 11:12:21 ajh.val...@free.fr wrote:
> J'ai un serveur distant, qui fonctionne sur la partition SDA1
> Il a une sauvegarde sur SDA2 (à l'identique).
> Depuis peu, via GRUB, je ne peux plus le rebooter correctement sur sda1, 
> ni sda2.
> sda1 : bien des services ne fonctionnent plus, dont SSH et Apache...
> sda2 : il boot en initramfs, voire produit un kernel panic.
> Pourtant sda1=sda2
> Pour que ça fonctionne, je fais ceci :
> J'indique à Grub de démarrer sur sda2,
> mais avec dans son fichier "/etc/fstab", l'UUID de sda1.
> Et là, il boot parfaitement sur sda1.
> Cette méthode, certes fonctionnelle, est complètement anormale.
> C'est quoi ce mélange de 2 partitions pour pouvoir en booter une ?
> Comment revenir à la possibilité de booter directement sur sda1 ou sda2, 
> via Grub ? 
> Le fichier /boot/grub/grub.cfg semble bien normal.

Bonjour,

Je me permets de relancer, on ne sait jamais :-)
personne n'a une idée sur mon problème de boot ?
(décrit ci-dessus).

Merci.

André Valmer

Re: Zoom.

[peter]

From: Tom Dial 
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 15:04:45 -0600
> First, as Greg Wooledge and tomas noted, You can run it using a browser,
> with some possible functional limitations.

Scheduled to give it a try April 30.

> recommend 4GB memory and an i3/i5/i7 or equivalent AMD CPU. These are 64
> bit CPUs.

Yep, underpowered; 32 bit, 3.5 GB.  

Received this comment elsewhere.
> I found my old 32 bit netbook and installed on it, it runs though 
> sluggish. Debian 8. It is a bit older version of Zoom (5.4) and the 
> constrained screen is awkward, ...

So I'd still expect this machine to display more than an empty window.

> The link above hints that you may have a broken install. ...

OK, reinstallation is on my list, after trying the browser.

Thanks, ... P.

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Re: looks like I need an hid interface

[Greg Wooledge]

On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 10:35:33AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Thursday 22 April 2021 09:52:57 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > The bullseye-RC1 iso files are out: Bullseye is frozen so there aren't
> > many files moving at the moment - now would be quite a good time to
> > try an installation - and tell folks how it went.
> >
> Well, it won't do a lot of good to keep the .ISO's URL a secret, now will 
> it?

https://www.google.com/search?q=bullseye%20rc1%20iso

Re: bash completion and spaces

[Victor Sudakov]

David Wright wrote:
> > 
> > I have an example app which can be run only as "app3 -h test1 -s foo" or
> > "app3 -h test2 -s bar". So I decided to provide it with a small manual
> > completion for convenience.
> > 
> > [vas@test2 ~]$ ./list.sh 
> > -h test1 -s foo
> > -h test2 -s bar
> > [vas@test2 ~]$ complete -C ./list.sh app3
> > [vas@test2 ~]$
> > 
> > The result however is discouraging, the completion mechanism won't add
> > whole lines of parameters, it's trying to split on spaces (here I press
> >  several times:
> > 
> > [vas@test2 ~]$ app3 -h -h -h test
> > 
> > Can you please give a hint how to make it complete "app3" with either
> > "-h test1 -s foo" or "-h test2 -s bar" as a whole?
> > 
> > I would not like to make all this too complicated, write complex
> > completion funcions if possible. A static (-W) completion would be even
> > better.
> 
> Perhaps:
> 
> alias app3a='app3 -h test1 -s foo'
> alias app3b='app3 -h test2 -s bar'

No, not alias, I'd like to do it via bash completion. I may want to make
it dynamic eventually, the problem is in the spaces.

-- 
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http://vas.tomsk.ru/
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Re: looks like I need an hid interface

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 22 April 2021 09:52:57 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 07:59:19PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Monday 19 April 2021 14:24:09 deloptes wrote:
> > > Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > A warning to others, a "sudo apt install avrdude" did a just
> > > > barely announced reboot of my machine, and it has taken me
> > > > nomonally half an hour to restore everything that had x jerked
> > > > out from under it. It killed x before it announced it on a text
> > > > screen. The reboot was, shall we say, messy. No /var/run/locks
> > > > were removed, so kmail had a cow when it was restarted.
> > > >
> > > > That was on my stretch system, it did not repeat on a buster
> > > > install. But no TDE is in use there either.
> > >
> > > You've still not updated this stretch of yours - shame on you!
> >
> > Well, I did buy some 1/2T samsung SSD's a week ago, so I am making
> > progress.  Breaking in one of them in another machine right now.
> > Working well in fact.  Makes an elderly Dell act like the latest
> > hardware.
> >
> > How soon is bulleye going live?
>
> Call is out for the final release to be in late May - 22nd, maybe?
> [amacater is on the Debian images team].
>
> The bullseye-RC1 iso files are out: Bullseye is frozen so there aren't
> many files moving at the moment - now would be quite a good time to
> try an installation - and tell folks how it went.
>
Well, it won't do a lot of good to keep the .ISO's URL a secret, now will 
it?

> > > > This device, a usb dongle labeled "USB ISP version 2.0" is
> > > > apparently not well supported by avrdude. And unforch, the ATmel
> > > > address in the man page is now re-directed to a Microchip site,
> > > > ATmel I assume having since been bought by microchip, the
> > > > product listing on that web page does not include the
> > > > ATmega1284p, and while an option "-c usbtiny" gets a device
> > > > listing that includes the ATmega1284p, this isn't a usbtiny. I
> > > > am guessing from the instructions that this dongle has a memory
> > > > area where the patches for marlin, the printers rs-274d driver,
> > > > are kept, accessed and uploaded to the flash in the printers
> > > > controller. But thats a WAG.
> > > >
> > > > I'll email the author by cc'ing, maybe he can help.
> > > >
> > > > Anybody have a better idea?
> > >
> > > I use mySmartUsb light (~16,-) with the avrdude and with a self
> > > soldiered Atmel programmer board for ~12,-, but knowing your
> > > skills and context, I am sure you need only the USB stick.
> >
> > Cheers, Gene Heskett
> > --
> > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law
> > respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
> > Genes Web page 
>
> All best,
>
> Andy C.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: bash completion and spaces

[David Wright]

On Thu 22 Apr 2021 at 15:28:36 (+0700), Victor Sudakov wrote:
> 
> I have an example app which can be run only as "app3 -h test1 -s foo" or
> "app3 -h test2 -s bar". So I decided to provide it with a small manual
> completion for convenience.
> 
> [vas@test2 ~]$ ./list.sh 
> -h test1 -s foo
> -h test2 -s bar
> [vas@test2 ~]$ complete -C ./list.sh app3
> [vas@test2 ~]$
> 
> The result however is discouraging, the completion mechanism won't add
> whole lines of parameters, it's trying to split on spaces (here I press
>  several times:
> 
> [vas@test2 ~]$ app3 -h -h -h test
> 
> Can you please give a hint how to make it complete "app3" with either
> "-h test1 -s foo" or "-h test2 -s bar" as a whole?
> 
> I would not like to make all this too complicated, write complex
> completion funcions if possible. A static (-W) completion would be even
> better.

Perhaps:

alias app3a='app3 -h test1 -s foo'
alias app3b='app3 -h test2 -s bar'

Cheers,
David.

Re: looks like I need an hid interface

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 07:59:19PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Monday 19 April 2021 14:24:09 deloptes wrote:
> 
> > Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > A warning to others, a "sudo apt install avrdude" did a just barely
> > > announced reboot of my machine, and it has taken me nomonally half
> > > an hour to restore everything that had x jerked out from under it.
> > > It killed x before it announced it on a text screen. The reboot was,
> > > shall we say, messy. No /var/run/locks were removed, so kmail had a
> > > cow when it was restarted.
> > >
> > > That was on my stretch system, it did not repeat on a buster
> > > install. But no TDE is in use there either.
> >
> > You've still not updated this stretch of yours - shame on you!
> >
> Well, I did buy some 1/2T samsung SSD's a week ago, so I am making 
> progress.  Breaking in one of them in another machine right now. Working 
> well in fact.  Makes an elderly Dell act like the latest hardware.
> 
> How soon is bulleye going live?
> 
Call is out for the final release to be in late May - 22nd, maybe? [amacater
is on the Debian images team].

The bullseye-RC1 iso files are out: Bullseye is frozen so there aren't 
many files moving at the moment - now would be quite a good time to try
an installation - and tell folks how it went.


> > > This device, a usb dongle labeled "USB ISP version 2.0" is
> > > apparently not well supported by avrdude. And unforch, the ATmel
> > > address in the man page is now re-directed to a Microchip site,
> > > ATmel I assume having since been bought by microchip, the product
> > > listing on that web page does not include the ATmega1284p, and while
> > > an option "-c usbtiny" gets a device listing that includes the
> > > ATmega1284p, this isn't a usbtiny. I am guessing from the
> > > instructions that this dongle has a memory area where the patches
> > > for marlin, the printers rs-274d driver, are kept, accessed and
> > > uploaded to the flash in the printers controller. But thats a WAG.
> > >
> > > I'll email the author by cc'ing, maybe he can help.
> > >
> > > Anybody have a better idea?
> >
> > I use mySmartUsb light (~16,-) with the avrdude and with a self
> > soldiered Atmel programmer board for ~12,-, but knowing your skills
> > and context, I am sure you need only the USB stick.
> 
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> -- 
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
>  - Louis D. Brandeis
> Genes Web page 
> 
All best,

Andy C.

Re: Problem with Wallpaper

[Stephen P. Molnar]

On 04/22/2021 09:09 AM, Dan Ritter wrote:

Stephen P. Molnar wrote:

I am running Buster/XFCE4 Desktop  on an LG Model24EN33 LED Monitor. This
morning, after being shut down over night , when I turned on the monitor it
came up with the black wallpaper that I favor. After closing an application
the portion of the screen that was covered was a light gray.

Changing the wallpaper did not change the appearance of the screen.

Sounds like xfdesktop is not running. Is it?

-dsr-



Exactly what it was. Everything is now back

I can't thank you enough.

--
Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D.
www.molecular-modeling.net
614.312.7528 (c)
Skype:  smolnar1

Re: Problem with Wallpaper

[Dan Ritter]

Stephen P. Molnar wrote: 
> I am running Buster/XFCE4 Desktop  on an LG Model24EN33 LED Monitor. This
> morning, after being shut down over night , when I turned on the monitor it
> came up with the black wallpaper that I favor. After closing an application
> the portion of the screen that was covered was a light gray.
> 
> Changing the wallpaper did not change the appearance of the screen.

Sounds like xfdesktop is not running. Is it?

-dsr-

Re: Some services cannot start at boot time because /run is not initialized

[Dmitry Katsubo]

Dear Debian community,

I have noticed that all failed services were missing some directories under 
/run directory. I checked the service which is supposed to create them:

*  systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service - Create Volatile Files and Directories
   Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service; static; 
vendor preset: enabled)
   Active: inactive (dead)
 Docs: man:tmpfiles.d(5)
   man:systemd-tmpfiles(8)

systemd[1]: sysinit.target: Found ordering cycle on 
systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service/start
systemd[1]: sysinit.target: Found dependency on local-fs.target/start
systemd[1]: sysinit.target: Found dependency on zram-setup@zram1.service/start
systemd[1]: sysinit.target: Found dependency on sysinit.target/start
systemd[1]: sysinit.target: Job systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service/start deleted to 
break ordering cycle starting with sysinit.target/start

and it looks like there is problem in zram-setup@zram1.service which I 
configured like that:

[Unit]
Requires=dev-%i.device
After=dev-%i.device
Before=local-fs.target
[Install]
WantedBy=local-fs.target

# systemctl show -p Requires,Wants,Requisite,BindsTo,PartOf,Before,After 
local-fs.target
Requires=home.mount -.mount var.mount
Requisite=
Wants=systemd-fsck-root.service zram-setup@zram0.service 
zram-setup@zram1.service systemd-remount-fs.service
BindsTo=
PartOf=
Before=binfmt-support.service sysinit.target systemd-machine-id-commit.service 
systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service networking.service 
systemd-tmpfiles-clean.service console-setup.service
After=run-user-1000.mount zram-setup@zram0.service root.mount -.mount tmp.mount 
zram-setup@zram1.service systemd-fsck-root.service systemd-remount-fs.service 
home.mount var.mount local-fs-pre.target

Even though I don't see any conflict with dependencies, it is confusing systemd.

Any idea concerning how to fix that is welcomed.

On 2020-06-29 01:37, Dmitry Katsubo wrote:
> Dear Debian community,
> 
> I hit the similar problem but this time with /run folder. Few services have
> failed to start:
> 
> # systemctl status php7.0-fpm.service
> Jun 24 23:09:48 debian php-fpm7.0[893]: [24-Jun-2020 23:09:48] ERROR: unable 
> to bind listening socket for address '/run/php/php7.0-fpm.sock': No such file 
> or directory (2)
> Jun 24 23:09:48 debian php-fpm7.0[893]: [24-Jun-2020 23:09:48] ERROR: FPM 
> initialization failed
> Jun 24 23:09:48 debian systemd[1]: php7.0-fpm.service: Main process exited, 
> code=exited, status=78/CONFIG
> Jun 24 23:09:48 debian systemd[1]: php7.0-fpm.service: Failed with result 
> 'exit-code'.
> Jun 24 23:09:48 debian systemd[1]: Failed to start The PHP 7.0 FastCGI 
> Process Manager.
> 
> # systemctl status motioneye.service
> Jun 24 23:09:47 debian systemd[1]: Started motionEye Server.
> Jun 24 23:09:48 debian meyectl[895]: INFO: hello! this is motionEye 
> server 0.41
> Jun 24 23:09:48 debian meyectl[895]: CRITICAL: pid directory "/run/motioneye" 
> does not exist or is not writable
> Jun 24 23:09:48 debian systemd[1]: motioneye.service: Main process exited, 
> code=exited, status=255/EXCEPTION
> Jun 24 23:09:48 debian systemd[1]: motioneye.service: Failed with result 
> 'exit-code'.
> 
> # cat /etc/tmpfiles.d/php.conf
> d /run/php/sessions 1733 root root
> 
> # cat /etc/tmpfiles.d/motioneye.conf
> d /run/motioneye 0750 motion motion
> 
> Just after the boot I have inspected /run folder. It was created/mounted
> correctly and there have been a lot of files/directories there. I suspect that
> all services that have created the necessary directory under /run were able to
> start normally. Few of them which relied on existence of specific directory,
> have failed to started. After I have replayed the corresponding instructions 
> for
> tmpfiles.d, the services have started normally.
> 
> I have a feeling that systemd-tmpfiles was executed before /run was mounted.
> 
> Needless to note that the problem is not persistent: sometimes OS boots 
> without
> a single failed service.
> 
> How can I debug the problem?
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> On 2020-05-18 02:39, Dmitry Katsubo wrote:
>> On 2020-05-11 20:11, Darac Marjal wrote:
>>> On 11/05/2020 08:40, Reco wrote:
Hi.

 On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 09:33:59AM +0200, Dmitry Katsubo wrote:

> root@debian:~ # systemctl status binfmt-support
> * binfmt-support.service - Enable support for additional executable 
> binary formats
>Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/binfmt-support.service; enabled; 
> vendor preset: enabled)
>Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Sun 2020-05-10 21:54:27 CEST; 
> 10h ago
>  Docs: man:update-binfmts(8)
>   Process: 353 ExecStart=/usr/sbin/update-binfmts --enable (code=exited, 
> status=2)
>  Main PID: 353 (code=exited, status=2)
>
> May 10 21:54:27 debian update-binfmts[353]: update-binfmts: unable to 
> open /var/lib/binfmts: No such file or directory
>
> Any help is appreciated.
 This should help your 

Re: vanilla kernel Debian package

[Richard Lucassen]

On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 11:59:12 +0200
Cecil Westerhof  wrote:

> Richard Lucassen  writes:
> 
> > $ mv linux-5.10.32 linux-5.10.32-apu1-5.10.32
> 
> Waar komt die apu1 vandaan?

Uit Zwitserland:

https://pcengines.ch/apu.htm


-- 
richard lucassen
https://contact.xaq.nl/

Problem with Wallpaper

[Stephen P. Molnar]

I am running Buster/XFCE4 Desktop  on an LG Model24EN33 LED Monitor. 
This morning, after being shut down over night , when I turned on the 
monitor it came up with the black wallpaper that I favor. After closing 
an application the portion of the screen that was covered was a light gray.


Changing the wallpaper did not change the appearance of the screen.

I don't have the faintest idea as to what is going on.

Help.

Thanks in advance.

--
Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D.
www.molecular-modeling.net
614.312.7528 (c)
Skype:  smolnar1

Re: vanilla kernel Debian package

[Cecil Westerhof]

Richard Lucassen  writes:

> $ mv linux-5.10.32 linux-5.10.32-apu1-5.10.32

Waar komt die apu1 vandaan?

-- 
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Senior Software Engineer
LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/cecilwesterhof

Re: vanilla kernel Debian package

[Richard Lucassen]

On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 10:47:29 +0200
Richard Lucassen  wrote:

> Nou, ik ben inmiddels verder door wat trial and error: wat er
> ***NIET***  in de docs staat is dat je de vanilla source dir moet
> renamen naar de uiteindelijke versie die je gaat krijgen:
> 
> $ mv linux-5.10.32 linux-5.10.32-apu1-5.10.32

Na compilen krijg ik netjes dit:

linux-5.10.32-apu1-5.10.32/
linux-5.10.32-apu1_5.10.32.diff.gz
linux-5.10.32-apu1_5.10.32.dsc
linux-5.10.32-apu1_5.10.32_i386.buildinfo
linux-5.10.32-apu1_5.10.32_i386.changes
linux-5.10.32-apu1_5.10.32.orig.tar.gz
linux-headers-5.10.32-apu1_5.10.32_i386.deb
linux-image-5.10.32-apu1_5.10.32_i386.deb
linux-libc-dev_5.10.32_i386.deb

Het enige wat me opvalt is de apu1- en de apu1_ in de originele dir en
de files die eruit rollen.

R.

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https://contact.xaq.nl/

Re: vanilla kernel Debian package

[Richard Lucassen]

On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 23:19:16 +0200
Geert Stappers  wrote:

> Richard, jij schrijft "download", de documentatie zegt "install".

Nou, ik ben inmiddels verder door wat trial and error: wat er
***NIET***  in de docs staat is dat je de vanilla source dir moet
renamen naar de uiteindelijke versie die je gaat krijgen:

$ mv linux-5.10.32 linux-5.10.32-apu1-5.10.32

Als je daarna in die dir draait:

$ make deb-pkg LOCALVERSION=-apu1 KDEB_PKGVERSION=$(make kernelversion)

dan gaat het wel goed. Zo niet, dan vliegen de errors en warnings alle
kanten uit en maakt-ie een kopie ernaast waardoor alles dubbel komt.
En waarom dat versienummer 5.10.32 er nu twee keer in moet is me ook
een raadsel maar dat staat zo wel in de docs.

> > > Bakt hier iemand wel eens een vanilla kernel tot een .deb bestand?
> 
> Ik heb er al tijden geen reden meer voor gehad. Ik ben benieuwd
> wat ik mis.   :-)

Ik wil een hardened image zonder initrd gedonder hebben voor een
bepaald type hardware dat ik op veel plekken heb staan.

Typisch weer een geval van "je snapt de docs pas als je het allemaal al
weet". Men had beter een script met opties kunnen maken en die
"make-kpkg" moeten noemen.

R.

-- 
richard lucassen
https://contact.xaq.nl/

bash completion and spaces

[Victor Sudakov]

Dear Colleagues,

I have an example app which can be run only as "app3 -h test1 -s foo" or
"app3 -h test2 -s bar". So I decided to provide it with a small manual
completion for convenience.

[vas@test2 ~]$ ./list.sh 
-h test1 -s foo
-h test2 -s bar
[vas@test2 ~]$ complete -C ./list.sh app3
[vas@test2 ~]$

The result however is discouraging, the completion mechanism won't add
whole lines of parameters, it's trying to split on spaces (here I press
 several times:

[vas@test2 ~]$ app3 -h -h -h test

Can you please give a hint how to make it complete "app3" with either
"-h test1 -s foo" or "-h test2 -s bar" as a whole?

I would not like to make all this too complicated, write complex
completion funcions if possible. A static (-W) completion would be even
better.

-- 
Victor Sudakov VAS4-RIPE
http://vas.tomsk.ru/
2:5005/49@fidonet


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Re: La censura vinculada a l'espionatge de Google

[Narcis Garcia]

__
I'm using this dedicated address because personal addresses aren't
masked enough at this mail public archive. Public archive administrator
should fix this against automated addresses collectors.
El 22/4/21 a les 9:22, Eloi ha escrit:
> El 22/4/21 a les 8:01, Narcis Garcia ha escrit:
>> __
>> I'm using this dedicated address because personal addresses aren't
>> masked enough at this mail public archive. Public archive administrator
>> should fix this against automated addresses collectors.
>> El 21/4/21 a les 21:51, Orestes Mas ha escrit:
>>>
>>> El 21 d’abril de 2021 20:21:01 CEST, Narcis Garcia
>>>  ha escrit:
 He intentat donar dades bancàries a un company per a què fes una
 contribució dinerària al GiLUG. Però l'he escrit a un compte de Gmail,
 i
 les dades les he xifrat.

 Immediatament he rebut el rebuig de Google per la seva política
 d'inseguretat;
 https://support.google.com/mail/?p=BlockedMessage

 Convido tothom a què reflexioni si realment és fonamental per a la vida
 de cadascú, subscriure serveis amb aquesta gent.
>>> Vejam, no ho acabo d'entendre: les dades xifrades anaven com a fitxer
>>> adjunt o en ASCII delimitat?
>>>
>>> Aquesta política de rebutjar correus amb adjunts, per lamentable que
>>> sigui, podria estar motivada per minimitzar la propagació de virus.
>>> Si és així, en el primer cas podria ser acceptable, però 
> en el segon cas l'hauria de deixar passar.
>>>
>>> Orestes.
>>>
>> Per a no embolicar l'altra persona en qüestions de PGP, ho vaig adjuntar
>> en format .7z
> 
> Les meves proves:
> 
> test1.7z és un fitxer sense xifrar les capçaleres (permet llistar els
> noms de fitxers) però sí el contingut: permet enviar-lo.
> 
> test2.7z és un fitxer amb capçaleres i contingut xifrats (no permet
> llistar fitxers sense la clau): el bloqueja
> 
> test3.7z és un fitxer sense xifrar les capçaleres però sí el contingut,
> com test1, però que el seu contingut és test2.7z: permet enviar-lo
> 
> test4.7z és un fitxer sense xifrar capçaleres ni contingut que, altre
> cop, conté test2.7z: el bloqueja
> 
> El contingut dels fitxers comprimits no inclou cap extensió prohibida
> (de fet, no en tenia cap). Sembla que la lògica implementada passa per
> llistar recursivament els fitxers comprimits i bloquejar bé els que
> xifren capçaleres impedint l'enumeració del contingut o els que
> continguin alguna de les extensions bloquejades, però sense considerar
> en cap cas nocius els fitxers comprimits que no es poden llistar per
> estar continguts en un fitxer xifrat.
> 
> En resum, que o es fa doble xifrat o es procura que els fitxers tinguin
> noms no descriptius. Que és el que es feia abans del xifratge de
> capçaleres.
> 
> Per altra banda, la meva experiència professional m'indica que l'ús
> d'adjunts xifrats, amb el password inclòs dins el cos del propi missatge
> (que ofereix seguretat zero), és una pràctica bastant habitual en la
> distribució i propagació de virus per correu electrònic i particularment
> llaminera per a adreces empresarials.

Gràcies per les proves.
Si empaqueto xifrat, ho faig al màxim (incloent la llista de continguts).
D'altra banda, mai no incloc la contrasenya al mateix enviament.

I comentant el què diu Fadelkon, Google davant la sospita en tindria
prou amb puntuar la carta i/o classificar-la com a possible brossa.
O fins i tot una alerta com aquelles de què hi ha imatges remotes.
Mil coses per ajudar i no tutoritzar les persones.

Narcís.

Re: La censura vinculada a l'espionatge de Google

[Eloi]

El 22/4/21 a les 8:01, Narcis Garcia ha escrit:

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El 21/4/21 a les 21:51, Orestes Mas ha escrit:


El 21 d’abril de 2021 20:21:01 CEST, Narcis Garcia  ha 
escrit:

He intentat donar dades bancàries a un company per a què fes una
contribució dinerària al GiLUG. Però l'he escrit a un compte de Gmail,
i
les dades les he xifrat.

Immediatament he rebut el rebuig de Google per la seva política
d'inseguretat;
https://support.google.com/mail/?p=BlockedMessage

Convido tothom a què reflexioni si realment és fonamental per a la vida
de cadascú, subscriure serveis amb aquesta gent.

Vejam, no ho acabo d'entendre: les dades xifrades anaven com a fitxer adjunt o 
en ASCII delimitat?

Aquesta política de rebutjar correus amb adjunts, per lamentable que sigui, podria estar motivada per minimitzar la propagació de virus. Si és així, en el primer cas podria ser acceptable, però 

en el segon cas l'hauria de deixar passar.


Orestes.


Per a no embolicar l'altra persona en qüestions de PGP, ho vaig adjuntar
en format .7z


Les meves proves:

test1.7z és un fitxer sense xifrar les capçaleres (permet llistar els 
noms de fitxers) però sí el contingut: permet enviar-lo.


test2.7z és un fitxer amb capçaleres i contingut xifrats (no permet 
llistar fitxers sense la clau): el bloqueja


test3.7z és un fitxer sense xifrar les capçaleres però sí el contingut, 
com test1, però que el seu contingut és test2.7z: permet enviar-lo


test4.7z és un fitxer sense xifrar capçaleres ni contingut que, 
altre 
cop, conté test2.7z: el bloqueja


El contingut dels fitxers comprimits no inclou cap extensió prohibida 
(de fet, no en tenia cap). Sembla que la lògica implementada passa per 
llistar recursivament els fitxers comprimits i bloquejar bé els que 
xifren capçaleres impedint l'enumeració del contingut o els que 

continguin alguna de les extensions bloquejades, però sense considerar 
en cap cas nocius els fitxers comprimits que no es poden llistar per 
estar continguts en un fitxer xifrat.


En resum, que o es fa doble xifrat o es procura que els fitxers tinguin 
noms no descriptius. Que és el que es feia abans del xifratge de capçaleres.


Per altra banda, la meva experiència professional m'indica que l'ús 
d'adjunts xifrats, amb el password inclòs dins el cos del propi missatge 
(que ofereix seguretat zero), és una pràctica bastant habitual en la 
distribució i propagació de virus per correu electrònic i particularment 
llaminera per a adreces empresarials.

Re: La censura vinculada a l'espionatge de Google

[fadelkon]

Els antivirus escanegen els executables i en busquen una "firma". No sé si és 
un hash de tot el binari, crec que per cada cas li busquen trets 
identificatius. Molts cops envien comprimits amb una contrasenya que posen al 
mail per aleatoritzar l'adjunt.

Això dit, la posició de Google superpaternalista i idiotitzadora de " ja et 
protegeixo jo dels dolents" i de directament rebutjar els correus, em sembla 
cínica i autoritària.

N'hi hauria prou mostrant un avís explicant això, però és clar, segons Google 
"la gent és tonta".

Re: La censura vinculada a l'espionatge de Google

[Narcis Garcia]

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El 21/4/21 a les 21:51, Orestes Mas ha escrit:
> 
> 
> El 21 d’abril de 2021 20:21:01 CEST, Narcis Garcia  ha 
> escrit:
>> He intentat donar dades bancàries a un company per a què fes una
>> contribució dinerària al GiLUG. Però l'he escrit a un compte de Gmail,
>> i
>> les dades les he xifrat.
>>
>> Immediatament he rebut el rebuig de Google per la seva política
>> d'inseguretat;
>> https://support.google.com/mail/?p=BlockedMessage
>>
>> Convido tothom a què reflexioni si realment és fonamental per a la vida
>> de cadascú, subscriure serveis amb aquesta gent.
> 
> Vejam, no ho acabo d'entendre: les dades xifrades anaven com a fitxer adjunt 
> o en ASCII delimitat?
> 
> Aquesta política de rebutjar correus amb adjunts, per lamentable que sigui, 
> podria estar motivada per minimitzar la propagació de virus. Si és així, en 
> el primer cas podria ser acceptable, però en el segon cas l'hauria de deixar 
> passar.
> 
> Orestes.
> 

Per a no embolicar l'altra persona en qüestions de PGP, ho vaig adjuntar
en format .7z

Què és el què és acceptable de la intervenció de les comunicacions o de
la vulneració de drets constitucionals de la persona?
Hi ha alguna opció al webmail de Google per a Prevenir [Sí] [No]
d'adjunts xifrats?

A Juana I de Castilla també la van tenir tancada i vigilada pel seu bé
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juana_I_de_Castilla#Encierro_en_Tordesillas

Narcís