Re: Getting PC with Ubuntu; change to Debian?

[Greg Wooledge]

On Mon, Dec 05, 2022 at 07:45:52PM -0500, Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
> According to: https://ubuntu.com/certified/202204-30215
> 
> This system was tested with 20.04 LTS, running the 5.14.0-1033-oem kernel.
> 
>  If you got the X1 Carbon Gen 10 then you will likely need to install
> Debian Testing as Debian 11 only has the 5.10 Kernel version.

One could try the bullseye-backports kernel(s) first, if the kernel is
the only piece that needs to be newer.

However, if a newer X server, Mesa or whatever else is also needed, then
it might be worth trying to run testing.

Re: Cambiar region a una pelicula en DVD

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Mon, Dec 05, 2022 at 06:31:16PM -0600, CAMP wrote:
>Como puedo cambiar la región a una película en DVD, he estado buscando y
>lo único que he encontrado es como cambiar la región a un reproductor de
>DVD o sea al hardware, lo que quiero es copiar una pelicula de un dvd
>original para dejarlo como "Multiregion", no es para nada ilícito, es que
>el reproductor alpine de mi auto solo reproduce regiòn 1 o multiregion y
>en México son region 4.
>Gracias

mplayer lee los DVDs y convierte las peliculas entre formates distintos.
Me imagino que puedes usar mplayer para convertir la pelicula a MP4 y
entonces cualquier utilidad para entonces pasar el MP4 otra vez a DVD.

No sé que pasará con la calidad del imagen, del sonido y con los titulos
(si te hacen falta), pero seguro que con las opciones pasadas a mplayer
o a la otra utilidad se rectifican qualquieras problemas de calidad.

Saludos,

-Roberto

-- 
Roberto C. Sánchez

Re: Getting PC with Ubuntu; change to Debian?

[Timothy M Butterworth]

On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 4:32 PM Andrew M.A. Cater 
wrote:

> On Sun, Dec 04, 2022 at 09:51:49PM -0500, Patrick Wiseman wrote:
> > Hello, fellow Debian users:
> >
> > I've had Debian on my computers for a very long time (can't remember
> > exactly when but early 2000's for sure); and I've had Lenovo laptops for
> > ages too. I finally need to replace my main laptop (an at least 10-year
> old
> > ThinkPad), so I've bought an X1 from Lenovo, with Ubuntu pre-installed
> (to
> > be delivered in January).
> >
>
> If you know which chipsets are in it, either should work.
> I'd hope the Ubuntu supplied was the latest LTS - so 22.04.
>

According to: https://ubuntu.com/certified/202204-30215

This system was tested with 20.04 LTS, running the 5.14.0-1033-oem kernel.

 If you got the X1 Carbon Gen 10 then you will likely need to install
Debian Testing as Debian 11 only has the 5.10 Kernel version.


If it isn't, and you'd have to upgrade from 20.04, then you lose nothing
> by installing Debian right away, I think.
>
> > So, a question. Should I side-grade to Debian (and, if so, how easy would
> > it be to do that?)? Or will I be happy with Ubuntu (which is, after all,
> a
> > Debian derivative)?
> >
>
> I think I agree with others who suggest dual booting at minimum.
> It's a choice but Ubuntu and Debian have diverged - most of what
> you know from Debian will still apply but there are small differences.
>
> > I'm very familiar and comfortable with Debian (was happy with 'testing'
> for
> > a long time, but have lately reverted to 'stable'). And, although I'm a
> > rare participant on this list, I enjoy the lurk and would presumably need
> > to go elsewhere if I had questions about my Ubuntu experience.
> >
>
> Ubuntu tends to live in forums, I think. There's also the whole vexed
> question of whether you want some packages as snaps from Ubuntu.
>
> > Thoughts will be welcome.
> >
> > Patrick
>
> With every good wish, as ever,
>
> Andy Cater
>
>

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Cambiar region a una pelicula en DVD

[CAMP]

Como puedo cambiar la región a una película en DVD, he estado buscando y lo
único que he encontrado es como cambiar la región a un reproductor de DVD o
sea al hardware, lo que quiero es copiar una pelicula de un dvd original
para dejarlo como "Multiregion", no es para nada ilícito, es que el
reproductor alpine de mi auto solo reproduce regiòn 1 o multiregion y en
México son region 4.

Gracias

Re : Re: Indexeur de fichier type mlocate avec GUI

[benoit]

Le lundi 5 décembre 2022 à 17:15, steve  a écrit :


> Recoll ?

Bonjour,

Je préférerais un indexeur comme mlocate (avec une interface graphique) qui 
n'indexe que les caractéristiques des fichiers(date, non, type, etc), mais pas 
le contenu.

https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/mlocate

Re: Re : Re: Indexeur de fichier type mlocate avec GUI

[didier gaumet]

Le 05/12/2022 à 23:01, benoit a écrit :


Le lundi 5 décembre 2022 à 20:12, didier gaumet  a 
écrit :




Bonjour,


Bonjour,

Merci pour ta réponse.


je n'utilise pas ce genre de chose donc je n'y connais rien et une
rapide recherche ne m'a orienté vers aucun paquet Debian si tu utilise
un WM.


Oui en effet, comme WM, j'utilise openbox, sans DE.


Donc peut-être que je comprends mal mais si tu utilise un DE, la
fonction recherche intégrée (ou via plug-in) proposée, je pense, par la
majorité de ces DE, ne convient-elle pas?


Si j'ai installé GNOME pour vérifier et en effet, il y a ça.
Après, s'il y a moyen d'en trouver un indépendant du DE...

--
Benoit




Peut-être la fonction recherche de ton gestionnaire de fichiers GUI? 
Avec Nautilus (Gnome) par exemple si je recherche toto il me balance une 
liste contenant d'abord les fichiers incluant toto dans leur nom et 
ensuite ceux incluant toto dans leur contenu...

Re: Killing bluetooth dead

[David Wright]

On Mon 05 Dec 2022 at 11:57:19 (-0500), Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 10:19 AM  wrote:
> >
> > I've got a headless server which is endlessly spamming its logs multiple
> > times per second with:
> >
> > ---
> > Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar systemd[2097]: Reached target Bluetooth.
> > Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar systemd[2093386]: Reached target Bluetooth.
> > Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar systemd[2093386]: Stopped target Bluetooth.
> > Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar systemd[2097]: Stopped target Bluetooth.
> > Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar kernel: [2937739.971268] usb 1-14: new full-speed USB 
> > device number 119 using xhci_hcd
> > Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar kernel: [2937740.121486] usb 1-14: New USB device 
> > found, idVendor=8087, idProduct=0032, bcdDevice= 0.00
> > Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar kernel: [2937740.121493] usb 1-14: New USB device 
> > strings: Mfr=0, Product=0, SerialNumber=0
> > Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar kernel: [2937740.124798] Bluetooth: hci0: Reading 
> > Intel version information failed (-22)
> > Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar kernel: [2937740.124813] Bluetooth: hci0: Intel Read 
> > version failed (-22)
> > Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar kernel: [2937740.124972] Bluetooth: hci0: Intel reset 
> > sent to retry FW download
> > Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar kernel: [2937740.125348] usb 1-14: USB disconnect, 
> > device number 119
> > Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar systemd[2046734]: Reached target Bluetooth.
> > Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar systemd[2046734]: Stopped target Bluetooth.
> > ---
> >
> > How do I kill bluetooth dead and make this stop?
> 
> It may be easier to look in the BIOS/UEFI and see if there's a way to
> disable Bluetooth and Wifi. Then you don't have to worry about drivers
> loading for chips that are no longer powered on.

Would that not require adding a head to the headless server?

> I often disable Bluetooth and Wifi for machines in my house that have
> a full time wired connection. There's no need to turn on all the
> radios when they are not used.

Does the wireless operate without a module to drive it? What does it
spend its time doing, ie what would it transmit, or be listening for?
I was under the impression that just soft-blocking was enough to stop
radios from operating, hence airplane mode (though it is a mystery to
me why even the FM radio in my mobile phone won't operate in airplane
mode).

Lurching OT: anyone here use nextradio on their mobile phone?

Cheers,
David.

Re: Getting PC with Ubuntu; change to Debian?

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Sun, Dec 4, 2022 at 9:52 PM Patrick Wiseman  wrote:
>
> ... And, although I'm a rare participant on this list, I enjoy the lurk and 
> would presumably need to go elsewhere if I had questions about my Ubuntu 
> experience.

Ubuntu-users (https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users)
is a fairly active list. You will see some of us there. There's a lot
of overlap with Debian-users since Ubuntu is derived from Debian.

Jeff

Re : Re: Indexeur de fichier type mlocate avec GUI

[benoit]

Le lundi 5 décembre 2022 à 20:12, didier gaumet  a 
écrit :


> 
> Bonjour,
> 
Bonjour,

Merci pour ta réponse.

> je n'utilise pas ce genre de chose donc je n'y connais rien et une
> rapide recherche ne m'a orienté vers aucun paquet Debian si tu utilise
> un WM.

Oui en effet, comme WM, j'utilise openbox, sans DE.

> Donc peut-être que je comprends mal mais si tu utilise un DE, la
> fonction recherche intégrée (ou via plug-in) proposée, je pense, par la
> majorité de ces DE, ne convient-elle pas?

Si j'ai installé GNOME pour vérifier et en effet, il y a ça.
Après, s'il y a moyen d'en trouver un indépendant du DE... 

--
Benoit

Re: Getting PC with Ubuntu; change to Debian?

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sun, Dec 04, 2022 at 09:51:49PM -0500, Patrick Wiseman wrote:
> Hello, fellow Debian users:
> 
> I've had Debian on my computers for a very long time (can't remember
> exactly when but early 2000's for sure); and I've had Lenovo laptops for
> ages too. I finally need to replace my main laptop (an at least 10-year old
> ThinkPad), so I've bought an X1 from Lenovo, with Ubuntu pre-installed (to
> be delivered in January).
> 

If you know which chipsets are in it, either should work.
I'd hope the Ubuntu supplied was the latest LTS - so 22.04.

If it isn't, and you'd have to upgrade from 20.04, then you lose nothing
by installing Debian right away, I think.

> So, a question. Should I side-grade to Debian (and, if so, how easy would
> it be to do that?)? Or will I be happy with Ubuntu (which is, after all, a
> Debian derivative)?
> 

I think I agree with others who suggest dual booting at minimum.
It's a choice but Ubuntu and Debian have diverged - most of what
you know from Debian will still apply but there are small differences.

> I'm very familiar and comfortable with Debian (was happy with 'testing' for
> a long time, but have lately reverted to 'stable'). And, although I'm a
> rare participant on this list, I enjoy the lurk and would presumably need
> to go elsewhere if I had questions about my Ubuntu experience.
> 

Ubuntu tends to live in forums, I think. There's also the whole vexed
question of whether you want some packages as snaps from Ubuntu.

> Thoughts will be welcome.
> 
> Patrick

With every good wish, as ever,

Andy Cater

Re: Killing bluetooth dead

[Timothy M Butterworth]

On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 12:05 PM Jeffrey Walton  wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 10:19 AM  wrote:
> >
> > I've got a headless server which is endlessly spamming its logs multiple
> > times per second with:
> >
> > ---
> > Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar systemd[2097]: Reached target Bluetooth.
> > Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar systemd[2093386]: Reached target Bluetooth.
> > Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar systemd[2093386]: Stopped target Bluetooth.
> > Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar systemd[2097]: Stopped target Bluetooth.
> > Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar kernel: [2937739.971268] usb 1-14: new full-speed
> USB device number 119 using xhci_hcd
> > Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar kernel: [2937740.121486] usb 1-14: New USB device
> found, idVendor=8087, idProduct=0032, bcdDevice= 0.00
> > Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar kernel: [2937740.121493] usb 1-14: New USB device
> strings: Mfr=0, Product=0, SerialNumber=0
> > Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar kernel: [2937740.124798] Bluetooth: hci0: Reading
> Intel version information failed (-22)
> > Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar kernel: [2937740.124813] Bluetooth: hci0: Intel
> Read version failed (-22)
> > Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar kernel: [2937740.124972] Bluetooth: hci0: Intel
> reset sent to retry FW download
> > Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar kernel: [2937740.125348] usb 1-14: USB disconnect,
> device number 119
> > Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar systemd[2046734]: Reached target Bluetooth.
> > Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar systemd[2046734]: Stopped target Bluetooth.
> > ---
> >
> > How do I kill bluetooth dead and make this stop?
>
> It may be easier to look in the BIOS/UEFI and see if there's a way to
> disable Bluetooth and Wifi. Then you don't have to worry about drivers
> loading for chips that are no longer powered on.
>
> I often disable Bluetooth and Wifi for machines in my house that have
> a full time wired connection. There's no need to turn on all the
> radios when they are not used.
>
> Jeff
>
> If you do not want Bluetooth to run you can simply disable it in systemd.

sudo  systemctl stop bluetooth.service

sudo  systemctl disable bluetooth.service


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Re: Indexeur de fichier type mlocate avec GUI

[didier gaumet]

Le 05/12/2022 à 15:52, benoit a écrit :

Bonjour à tou·te·s

Dans ma recherche de passer à des alternatives a la ligne de commande et 
aux scripts, je recherche une alternative à mlocate 
 avec une interface 
graphique conviviale.
https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/mlocate 



J'ai essayé de compiler les sources de fsearch, mais je n'arrives pas à 
changer la config du script d'installation de /usr/local/bin à une 
install dans ma $HOME sans que l'install se fasse en root


https://github.com/cboxdoerfer/fsearch/wiki/Build-instructions 



Mais de toute façon je préfère un indexeur en paquet debian.

Merci


Bonjour,

je n'utilise pas ce genre de chose donc je n'y connais rien et une 
rapide recherche ne m'a orienté vers aucun paquet Debian si tu utilise 
un WM.
Donc peut-être que je comprends mal mais si tu utilise un DE, la 
fonction recherche intégrée (ou via plug-in) proposée, je pense, par la 
majorité de ces DE, ne convient-elle pas?

Re: Blockchain ?

[ptilou]

Slt,



Le lundi 5 décembre 2022 à 14:40:03 UTC+1, Olivier backup my spare a écrit :
> Bonjour 
> 
> Pour ubuntu sur Mac, il faut jeter un oeil sur le wiki ubuntu. 
> 
Alors je l’ai télécharger de la bibliothèque de Stockholm, avec un ordinateur 
de la bibliothèque ….
Cette apres midi je cherche à faire une cles mac, j’avais oublié fdisk et 56 t, 
etc …
Et il me sort des images de cul, je suis à l’université de Stockholm, loger 
comme conférencier temporaire…..

> Au sujet du blockchain. Ne confondez pas blockchain et bitcoin. Bitcoin 
> fait partie du blockchain mais il n'est pas le blockchain. 

J’ai jamais parlé de bitcoin …
J’ai parlé de ce livre la :

https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/blockchain/9781491920480/


> Le blockchain ne nécessite pas un gpu, il peut nécessiter un CPU. 
> Monero, une crypto monnaie intracable n'utilise que le CPU. 

Va lire le livre tu vas comprendre tes erreurs !

> Le blockchain est divers et varié. On peut en faire avec des SSD de très 
> grosses capacité ou avec des raspberry pi. Ca dépend de ses besoins et 
> où on se situe dans la chaine.

On reprend toujours le même fichier, qui est maintenue, on signe sont opération 
avec sa cles privee, et on mes sa cles public dans le blockchain qui est formé 
d’un algo asymétrique par chaque partie et de cles de hash des opérations 
successives … ( le livre ….)
Donc le sdd c’est de la rom, de la memoire qui une fois l’énergie électrique 
coupée se souvient, avec des temps d’accès qui permet bonnant-malan, de faire 
de là swap temporaire …

Donc contribution dénuée de compétence….

> Le 05/12/2022 à 13:10, ptilou a écrit : 
> > Slt, 
> > 
> > C’est calme, vous avez déménagé ou ? 
> > 

Les fou furieux de la GPL !?
Pas les deux glaçons et une rondelle de citron, on voudrai pas se le faire 
pressér !

> > Je lit les titre de confis de eurobsdcon ! 
> > 
> > Et je me demande après l’ecatombe ftx, ça marche à quel niveau le 
> > blockchain, est ce que comme le raid on peut faire du blockchain materiel, 
> > avec un proc ou un gpu avec firmware, au p’tit ognon en algo ? 
> > 
> > Merci de vos retours si il y a experience ? 
> > 
> > Sinon j’ai blockchain edition O’reilly….. 
> > 
> > Le mac veut pas bouter sur Ubuntu, par contre sur Fedora37 oui, moi qui 
> > disait mais on s’en fou de la distrib, il doivent partager toutes leur 
> > améliorations inter distribution, et bien je me suis trompé à l’insu de mon 
> > plein gré, mais c’est du a une chronologie, ou a un ego ? 
> > 
> > — 
> > Ptilou 
> >
> -- 
> AI Gestionnaire d'infrastructure/ Gestionnaire de Parc. 
> Centre d'économie S** 
> “It is possible to commit no errors and still lose. That is not a 
> weakness. That is life.” 
> – Captain Jean-Luc Picard to Data

Mon dieu mon dieu ….

— 
Ptilou

Re: Killing bluetooth dead

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 10:19 AM  wrote:
>
> I've got a headless server which is endlessly spamming its logs multiple
> times per second with:
>
> ---
> Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar systemd[2097]: Reached target Bluetooth.
> Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar systemd[2093386]: Reached target Bluetooth.
> Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar systemd[2093386]: Stopped target Bluetooth.
> Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar systemd[2097]: Stopped target Bluetooth.
> Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar kernel: [2937739.971268] usb 1-14: new full-speed USB 
> device number 119 using xhci_hcd
> Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar kernel: [2937740.121486] usb 1-14: New USB device 
> found, idVendor=8087, idProduct=0032, bcdDevice= 0.00
> Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar kernel: [2937740.121493] usb 1-14: New USB device 
> strings: Mfr=0, Product=0, SerialNumber=0
> Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar kernel: [2937740.124798] Bluetooth: hci0: Reading Intel 
> version information failed (-22)
> Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar kernel: [2937740.124813] Bluetooth: hci0: Intel Read 
> version failed (-22)
> Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar kernel: [2937740.124972] Bluetooth: hci0: Intel reset 
> sent to retry FW download
> Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar kernel: [2937740.125348] usb 1-14: USB disconnect, 
> device number 119
> Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar systemd[2046734]: Reached target Bluetooth.
> Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar systemd[2046734]: Stopped target Bluetooth.
> ---
>
> How do I kill bluetooth dead and make this stop?

It may be easier to look in the BIOS/UEFI and see if there's a way to
disable Bluetooth and Wifi. Then you don't have to worry about drivers
loading for chips that are no longer powered on.

I often disable Bluetooth and Wifi for machines in my house that have
a full time wired connection. There's no need to turn on all the
radios when they are not used.

Jeff

Re: Killing bluetooth dead

[Cindy Sue Causey]

On 12/5/22, Brad Rogers  wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Dec 2022 08:42:14 -0600
> d...@sherohman.org wrote:
>
> Hello d...@sherohman.org,
>
>>  mentioning "blue", "tooth", or "bt" - there aren't any, so the obvious
>
> what about 'blue*'?
>
> Found bluedevil, bluez and bluezobexd here, where 'blue' alone found
> nothing.


While looking for something else not too long ago, I tripped over
"apt-mark showinstall". LOVE IT! Very handy when other searches aren't
working because you're not sure of the package name. If you do know a
piece of the package name, you can...

$ apt-mark showinstall | grep 

That's done with no asterisk (wild card).

Be forewarned, I just sent mine to a text file that ended up being
1,787 lines. Each line represents a single, separate package ready to
be pondered individually.

Cindy :)
-- 
Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA
* runs with birdseed *

Re: Indexeur de fichier type mlocate avec GUI

[steve]

Recoll ?

Le 05-12-2022, à 14:52:11 +, benoit a écrit :


  Bonjour à tou·te·s

  Dans ma recherche de passer à des alternatives a la ligne de commande
  et aux scripts, je recherche une alternative à  [1]mlocate avec une
  interface graphique conviviale.

Re: Killing bluetooth dead

[Ryan Nowakowski]

On Mon, Dec 05, 2022 at 08:42:14AM -0600, d...@sherohman.org wrote:
> How do I kill bluetooth dead and make this stop?
 
You might try blacklisting the bluetooth kernel module.

Re: Killing bluetooth dead

[David Wright]

On Mon 05 Dec 2022 at 08:42:14 (-0600), d...@sherohman.org wrote:
> I've got a headless server which is endlessly spamming its logs multiple
> times per second with:
> 
> ---
> Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar systemd[2097]: Reached target Bluetooth.
> Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar systemd[2093386]: Reached target Bluetooth.
> Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar systemd[2093386]: Stopped target Bluetooth.
> Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar systemd[2097]: Stopped target Bluetooth.
> Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar kernel: [2937739.971268] usb 1-14: new full-speed USB 
> device number 119 using xhci_hcd
> Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar kernel: [2937740.121486] usb 1-14: New USB device 
> found, idVendor=8087, idProduct=0032, bcdDevice= 0.00
> Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar kernel: [2937740.121493] usb 1-14: New USB device 
> strings: Mfr=0, Product=0, SerialNumber=0
> Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar kernel: [2937740.124798] Bluetooth: hci0: Reading Intel 
> version information failed (-22)
> Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar kernel: [2937740.124813] Bluetooth: hci0: Intel Read 
> version failed (-22)
> Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar kernel: [2937740.124972] Bluetooth: hci0: Intel reset 
> sent to retry FW download
> Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar kernel: [2937740.125348] usb 1-14: USB disconnect, 
> device number 119
> Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar systemd[2046734]: Reached target Bluetooth.
> Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar systemd[2046734]: Stopped target Bluetooth.
> ---
> 
> How do I kill bluetooth dead and make this stop?
> 
> I do not need help making bluetooth load correctly.  The machine does
> not need or want bluetooth connectivity.  If bluetooth were running
> successfully, the first and last thing I would do with bluetooth would
> be to disable it.
> 
> The question is how to make it stop attempting to load bluetooth in the
> first place.
> 
> Based on some web searches, I have already tried:
> 
> - Checking the output of `dpkg --get-selections` for any package names
>   mentioning "blue", "tooth", or "bt" - there aren't any, so the obvious
>   solution of `apt-get remove --purge bluetooth` doesn't appear to be an
>   option
> 
> - `rmmod btusb` - this has no apparent effect, probably because
>   bluetooth.target loads the mod back in before I even have time to run
>   `lsmod` and see if it's still there

Then I would blacklist it. Create a blacklist-bluetooth.conf file in
/lib/modprobe.d/ and containing

  blacklist btusb

or whichever modules (one per line), before removing it/them.

> - `systemctl X bluetooth.target` for X in (stop, disable, mask) - this
>   has also had no apparent effect; even with the target stopped,
>   disabled, and masked, the system still keeps reaching it and trying to
>   read the Intel version information
> 
> - grepping for the text 'bluetooth.target' in all files in /etc/systemd/
>   and /usr/lib/systemd/ (so I could find out what 'wants
>   bluetooth.target') - no matches were found

Cheers,
David.

Re: xfce4 tooltips

[fxkl47BF]

On Mon, 5 Dec 2022, Charles Curley wrote:

> On Mon, 05 Dec 2022 12:44:33 +
> fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote:
>
>> i upgraded to bullseye
>> xfce4 is 4.16
>> how do i get rid of tooltips
>> i can get rid of some but not all
>
> You didn't say how you got rid of some of the tooltips, so I'll guess
> here.
>
> This is after a bit of searching on the Internet. I have not
> experimented with any of this.
>
> XFCE is in the process of moving from GTK 2 to GTK 3. Also, some GTK
> programs outside of XFCE are GTK 2, others GTK 3. This situation will
> probably continue for years.
>
> The solution for GTK 2 is well known.
> https://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/advanced I will guess that that is
> how you got rid of some of them.
>
> GTK 3, not so well known, but there are some things you can try.
> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=232019
>
>
> --
> Does anybody read signatures any more?
>
> https://charlescurley.com
> https://charlescurley.com/blog/
>

some like desktop and launcher have tooltip settings that can be disabled
most plugins have no settings and adding properties like disable-tooltips or 
show-tooltips have no effect

Re: Killing bluetooth dead

[Brad Rogers]

On Mon, 5 Dec 2022 08:42:14 -0600
d...@sherohman.org wrote:

Hello d...@sherohman.org,

>  mentioning "blue", "tooth", or "bt" - there aren't any, so the obvious

what about 'blue*'?

Found bluedevil, bluez and bluezobexd here, where 'blue' alone found
nothing.

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Re: Getting PC with Ubuntu; change to Debian?

[Bret Busby]

On 05/12/2022 22:59, Linux-Fan wrote:

Patrick Wiseman writes:


Hello, fellow Debian users:

I've had Debian on my computers for a very long time (can't remember 
exactly when but early 2000's for sure); and I've had Lenovo laptops 
for ages too. I finally need to replace my main laptop (an at least 
10-year old ThinkPad), so I've bought an X1 from Lenovo, with Ubuntu 
pre-installed (to be delivered in January).


So, a question. Should I side-grade to Debian (and, if so, how easy 
would it be to do that?)? Or will I be happy with Ubuntu (which is, 
after all, a Debian derivative)?


What is a side-grade in this context? I'd strongly advise against trying 
to replace the APT sources with Debian's and then trying to switch with an
`apt-get dist-upgrade`. Instead, I'd suggest the following course of 
action:


* Create an image backup of the installed Ubuntu such that it is restorable
   in case of warranty or hardware compatibility issues that may surface
   later. If you do this from a Debian Live system you can also get a first
   impression about how well Debian runs on the new hardware.

* Install Debian stable replacing the existing Ubuntu.
   If it works fine, stop there. If not, try backports or even Testing to
   see if it is an issue regarding hardware being too new :)

* If all fails, the image allows reverting to Ubuntu easily enough.



Why not simply, in that context, install Debian as a dual boot option, 
so that the bootloader, on system boot, offers the user the options of 
which of the two OS's to boot?


..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..

Killing bluetooth dead

[dave]

I've got a headless server which is endlessly spamming its logs multiple
times per second with:

---
Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar systemd[2097]: Reached target Bluetooth.
Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar systemd[2093386]: Reached target Bluetooth.
Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar systemd[2093386]: Stopped target Bluetooth.
Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar systemd[2097]: Stopped target Bluetooth.
Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar kernel: [2937739.971268] usb 1-14: new full-speed USB 
device number 119 using xhci_hcd
Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar kernel: [2937740.121486] usb 1-14: New USB device found, 
idVendor=8087, idProduct=0032, bcdDevice= 0.00
Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar kernel: [2937740.121493] usb 1-14: New USB device 
strings: Mfr=0, Product=0, SerialNumber=0
Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar kernel: [2937740.124798] Bluetooth: hci0: Reading Intel 
version information failed (-22)
Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar kernel: [2937740.124813] Bluetooth: hci0: Intel Read 
version failed (-22)
Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar kernel: [2937740.124972] Bluetooth: hci0: Intel reset 
sent to retry FW download
Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar kernel: [2937740.125348] usb 1-14: USB disconnect, device 
number 119
Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar systemd[2046734]: Reached target Bluetooth.
Dec  5 15:22:33 fubar systemd[2046734]: Stopped target Bluetooth.
---

How do I kill bluetooth dead and make this stop?

I do not need help making bluetooth load correctly.  The machine does
not need or want bluetooth connectivity.  If bluetooth were running
successfully, the first and last thing I would do with bluetooth would
be to disable it.

The question is how to make it stop attempting to load bluetooth in the
first place.

Based on some web searches, I have already tried:

- Checking the output of `dpkg --get-selections` for any package names
  mentioning "blue", "tooth", or "bt" - there aren't any, so the obvious
  solution of `apt-get remove --purge bluetooth` doesn't appear to be an
  option

- `rmmod btusb` - this has no apparent effect, probably because
  bluetooth.target loads the mod back in before I even have time to run
  `lsmod` and see if it's still there

- `systemctl X bluetooth.target` for X in (stop, disable, mask) - this
  has also had no apparent effect; even with the target stopped,
  disabled, and masked, the system still keeps reaching it and trying to
  read the Intel version information

- grepping for the text 'bluetooth.target' in all files in /etc/systemd/
  and /usr/lib/systemd/ (so I could find out what 'wants
  bluetooth.target') - no matches were found


-- 
Dave Sherohman

Re: Touchpad synaptics changes name after resume

[David Wright]

On Mon 05 Dec 2022 at 10:08:45 (+), Ottavio Caruso wrote:
> Op 03/12/2022 om 16:05 schreef David Wright:
> > On Sat 03 Dec 2022 at 10:37:50 (+), Ottavio Caruso wrote:
> > > $ uname -a
> > > Linux t440 6.0.0-0.deb11.2-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian
> > > 6.0.3-1~bpo11+1 (2022-10-29) x86_64 GNU/Linux
> > > 
> > > I have two scripts that enable/disable touchpad that I mapped to some
> > > keyboard shortcuts:
> > > 
> > > $ cat ~/opt/bin/touchpad-on
> > > xinput enable "SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad"
> > > $ cat ~/opt/bin/touchpad-off
> > > xinput disable "SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad"
> > > 
> > > The problem is that xinput(1) changes the name of the touchpad every
> > > now and again:
> > > 
> > > $ dmesg| grep -i synaptics |grep "as /devices"
> > > [463340.358242] input: Synaptics TM2722-001 as
> > > /devices/pci:00/:00:1f.3/i2c-0/0-002c/rmi4-00/input/input319
> > > [505228.803682] input: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad as
> > > /devices/platform/i8042/serio1/input/input335
> > > [505234.019989] input: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad as
> > > /devices/platform/i8042/serio1/input/input338
> > > 
> > > That is, it alternates between "Synaptics TM2722-001" and "SynPS/2
> > > Synaptics TouchPad".
> > > 
> > > Even the id changes. Sometimes it's 11, some other times it's 10 or 9.
> > 
> > As a workaround, how about trying:
> > 
> >$ cat ~/opt/bin/touchpad-on
> >xinput enable "SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad"
> >xinput enable "Synaptics TM2722-001"
> >$ cat ~/opt/bin/touchpad-off
> >xinput disable "SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad"
> >xinput disable "Synaptics TM2722-001"
> > 
> 
> 
> $   xinput enable "SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad"
> $  xinput enable "Synaptics TM2722-001"
> unable to find device Synaptics TM2722-001
> $
> 
> So that's not an option.

That /was/ the idea, if and when the device woke up
thinking it was a SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad.

And, on the occasions when it woke up thinking it
was a Synaptics TM2722-001, you'd expect to get:

  $   xinput enable "SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad"
  unable to find device SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad
  $  xinput enable "Synaptics TM2722-001"
  $

After all, the one device is not going to have both
names at the same time, unless some sort of aliasing
mechanism was in play.

The workaround was to save you the bother of testing
between the two names. To do the job properly, your
script would have to be dynamic, finding the touchpad
before en/disabling it. My own script is outlined in

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2022/10/msg00358.html

and it handles whatever devices are plugged into whichever
of my computers at the instant it runs. (The names don't
vary here, but my devices do get swapped around.)

Cheers,
David.

Re: Getting PC with Ubuntu; change to Debian?

[Linux-Fan]

Patrick Wiseman writes:


Hello, fellow Debian users:

I've had Debian on my computers for a very long time (can't remember exactly  
when but early 2000's for sure); and I've had Lenovo laptops for ages too. I  
finally need to replace my main laptop (an at least 10-year old ThinkPad), so  
I've bought an X1 from Lenovo, with Ubuntu pre-installed (to be delivered in  
January).


So, a question. Should I side-grade to Debian (and, if so, how easy would it  
be to do that?)? Or will I be happy with Ubuntu (which is, after all, a  
Debian derivative)?


What is a side-grade in this context? I'd strongly advise against trying to  
replace the APT sources with Debian's and then trying to switch with an

`apt-get dist-upgrade`. Instead, I'd suggest the following course of action:

* Create an image backup of the installed Ubuntu such that it is restorable
  in case of warranty or hardware compatibility issues that may surface
  later. If you do this from a Debian Live system you can also get a first
  impression about how well Debian runs on the new hardware.

* Install Debian stable replacing the existing Ubuntu.
  If it works fine, stop there. If not, try backports or even Testing to
  see if it is an issue regarding hardware being too new :)

* If all fails, the image allows reverting to Ubuntu easily enough.

I'm very familiar and comfortable with Debian (was happy with 'testing' for a  
long time, but have lately reverted to 'stable'). And, although I'm a rare  
participant on this list, I enjoy the lurk and would presumably need to go  
elsewhere if I had questions about my Ubuntu experience.


If you have been using Debian for a long time, by all means, stay with it.

Ubuntu is a derivative and many things feel similar, but for an experienced  
Debian user there are tons of minor obstacles that you encounter if you want  
to do certain things on Ubuntu. Differences in Network Interfaces  
configuration come to mind. Also, Ubuntu likes to distribute certain  
applications as “snap” which is replacing traditional Ubuntu packages for  
e.g. Firefox. More differences exist of course but these are my top two :)


HTH
Linux-Fan

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Indexeur de fichier type mlocate avec GUI

[benoit]

Bonjour à tou·te·s

Dans ma recherche de passer à des alternatives a la ligne de commande et aux 
scripts, je recherche une alternative à 
[mlocate](https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/mlocate) avec une interface 
graphique conviviale.
https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/mlocate

J'ai essayé de compiler les sources de fsearch, mais je n'arrives pas à changer 
la config du script d'installation de /usr/local/bin à une install dans ma 
$HOME sans que l'install se fasse en root

https://github.com/cboxdoerfer/fsearch/wiki/Build-instructions

Mais de toute façon je préfère un indexeur en paquet debian.

Merci

Re: Debian failed

[Linux-Fan]

hw writes:


On Sun, 2022-12-04 at 09:06 -0700, Charles Curley wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Dec 2022 15:52:31 +0100
> hw  wrote:
>
> > so I wanted to have Debian on a Precision R7910 with AMD graphics card
> > and it failed because it refuses to use the amdgpu module.  I tried
> > forcing to load it when booting and it still didn't work.
> >
> > So I'm stuck with Fedora.  What's wrong with Debian that we can't even
> > get AMD cards to work.
>
> Before I get started with some questions to help you debug the problem,
> did you want some serious debugging assistance, or did you simply want
> to whine?

I'm not whining, I was merely telling.  There must be quite a few people
using AMD cards who must have been running into the same problem.


Debian stable is not usually adding support for new hardware during its  
lifecycle. Hence the standard way to deal with such things is to either buy  
hardware that is already old enough to be supported by Debian stable or to  
install a newer release/kernel. A new kernel has been suggested in the  
thread already and is a “standard thing” to try out in case of newer-than- 
distribution hardware. As are backported firmware blobs if you use them... :)


For instance, I am using Debian stable right now on a (smaller) Dell  
Workstation with an “AMD Radeon Pro W5500” which is old enough to be  
supported by it out of the box already. When I bought it, I installed the  
back-then Debian Testing Bullseye specifically because I knew that the  
stable distribution might have been too old (and it was shortly before the  
release of Bullseye anyways).


Since I needed Vulkan support and enhanced GPU performance for certain  
(less-important) applications, I installed some parts of the proprietary  
driver package. This is not officially supported and I expect it to be prone  
to breakage upon upgrades etc.



I can't very well debug this any further since I need the machine
working, so I installed Fedora instead, and I also have currently an
NVIDIA card installed.

After experiencing Debian, I'm no longer really inclined to use it on
workstations.  I'm re-considering Gentoo, but that has had overwhelming
problems in the past with updating which I don't want to have again.


If Fedora works for you now, you could also just stay with it until any  
reason to switch to Debian pops up or a good chance to switch manifests?  
IOW: No need to rush things while the computer is working as expected :)


Unless you keep upgrading to the newest hardware, it may also be a good  
point in time to switch to a new Debian stable that is newer than the  
hardware once that is released? Using a new release rather than only a newer  
kernel has the advantage of coming with a newer graphics stack  
(X11/Mesa/etc.) that may also be relevant for the GPU to function properly.


In my experience, Debian works well across various workstation brands  
(HP, Dell, Fujitsu) but here, the hardware was often older than the  
software.


HTH
Linux-Fan

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Re: comment trouver (sur Debian ou Ubuntu) le pays géographique d'une adresse IPv4 ou IPv6?

[ajh-valmer]

Taper : 
whois 
et extraire la ligne "Country:"
ou
host domaine # qui donne le n°IP
et whois 

Re: xfce4 tooltips

[Charles Curley]

On Mon, 05 Dec 2022 12:44:33 +
fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote:

> i upgraded to bullseye
> xfce4 is 4.16
> how do i get rid of tooltips
> i can get rid of some but not all

You didn't say how you got rid of some of the tooltips, so I'll guess
here.

This is after a bit of searching on the Internet. I have not
experimented with any of this.

XFCE is in the process of moving from GTK 2 to GTK 3. Also, some GTK
programs outside of XFCE are GTK 2, others GTK 3. This situation will
probably continue for years.

The solution for GTK 2 is well known.
https://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfdesktop/advanced I will guess that that is
how you got rid of some of them.

GTK 3, not so well known, but there are some things you can try.
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=232019


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Re: Blockchain ?

[Olivier backup my spare]

Bonjour

Pour ubuntu sur Mac, il faut jeter un oeil sur le wiki ubuntu.

Au sujet du blockchain. Ne confondez pas blockchain et bitcoin. Bitcoin 
fait partie du blockchain mais il n'est pas le blockchain.
Le blockchain ne nécessite pas un gpu, il peut nécessiter un CPU. 
Monero, une crypto monnaie intracable n'utilise que le CPU.
Le blockchain est divers et varié. On peut en faire avec des SSD de très 
grosses capacité ou avec des raspberry pi. Ca dépend de ses besoins et 
où on se situe dans la chaine.




Le 05/12/2022 à 13:10, ptilou a écrit :

Slt,

C’est calme, vous avez déménagé ou ?

Je lit les titre de confis de eurobsdcon !

Et je me demande après l’ecatombe ftx, ça marche à quel niveau le blockchain, 
est ce que comme le raid on peut faire du blockchain materiel, avec un proc ou 
un gpu avec firmware, au p’tit ognon en algo ?

Merci de vos retours si il y a experience ?

Sinon j’ai blockchain edition O’reilly…..

Le mac veut pas bouter sur Ubuntu, par contre sur Fedora37 oui, moi qui disait 
mais on s’en fou de la distrib, il doivent partager toutes leur améliorations 
inter distribution, et bien je me suis trompé à l’insu de mon plein gré, mais 
c’est du a une chronologie, ou a un ego ?

—
Ptilou



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Re: Detailed Leafpad manual [not just manpage]?

[Richard Owlett]

Andreas Rönnquist wrote:

On Sun, 4 Dec 2022 05:29:58 -0600,
Richard Owlett wrote:


I wish to document a personal project.The desired format will resemble
the outline for term papers we wrote in school in the 50's. Except
some items may be a short paragraph or two long.

I did a web search for text editors with an auto-indent feature.
The only one I recognized was Leafpad. But I couldn't find appropriate
documentation or "howto". Where would I find it?

Any other suggestions for a basic text editor in the Debian repository
with an auto-indent feature. I'm not interested in a full blown word
processor.

TIA



It seems leafpad is obsolete and not maintained any longer (It is only
available in Debian Stretch).

If you could try something else, I would try mousepad (which actually
is a fork of leafpad).

https://packages.debian.org/mousepad
https://docs.xfce.org/apps/mousepad/start


That page suggests it's what I'm looking for.
I attempted to install it on my old machine [has a large external 
monitor] but got a "temporary connection failure" message.

Will try it again this afternoon.
Thanks





If you would be ready to try something new and are not afraid of
massive amount of settings (and thereby possibilities) but still
GTK-based, I would try SciTE.

https://packages.debian.org/scite

(Yes, I am biased regarding SciTE, since I'm one of the Debian package
maintainers).

-- Andreas Rönnquist
mailingli...@gusnan.se
andr...@ronnquist.net

xfce4 tooltips

[fxkl47BF]

i upgraded to bullseye
xfce4 is 4.16
how do i get rid of tooltips
i can get rid of some but not all

Blockchain ?

[ptilou]

Slt,

C’est calme, vous avez déménagé ou ?

Je lit les titre de confis de eurobsdcon !

Et je me demande après l’ecatombe ftx, ça marche à quel niveau le blockchain, 
est ce que comme le raid on peut faire du blockchain materiel, avec un proc ou 
un gpu avec firmware, au p’tit ognon en algo ?

Merci de vos retours si il y a experience ?

Sinon j’ai blockchain edition O’reilly…..

Le mac veut pas bouter sur Ubuntu, par contre sur Fedora37 oui, moi qui disait 
mais on s’en fou de la distrib, il doivent partager toutes leur améliorations 
inter distribution, et bien je me suis trompé à l’insu de mon plein gré, mais 
c’est du a une chronologie, ou a un ego ?

— 
Ptilou

Re: Getting PC with Ubuntu; change to Debian?

[Lee]

On 12/4/22, Patrick Wiseman wrote:
> Hello, fellow Debian users:
>
> I've had Debian on my computers for a very long time (can't remember
> exactly when but early 2000's for sure); and I've had Lenovo laptops for
> ages too. I finally need to replace my main laptop (an at least 10-year old
> ThinkPad), so I've bought an X1 from Lenovo, with Ubuntu pre-installed (to
> be delivered in January).
>
> So, a question. Should I side-grade to Debian (and, if so, how easy would
> it be to do that?)? Or will I be happy with Ubuntu (which is, after all, a
> Debian derivative)?

"happy" is a personal judgement, so I'll just go with mine - I like
Debian's philosophy & I don't like Ubuntu's

https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/02/ubuntu-data-collection-opt-out
  Since few (if any) users would choose to opt-in to share this sort
of data, Canonical is making participation in the scheme entirely
opt-out.

https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2012/11/01/ubuntu-search-amazon-privacy/
  ... users can choose not to search Amazon if they want, while future
releases will make it easier to opt-out of searching across third
party services

I'd rather opt-out of using anything from a company that does opt-out
data collection.
   ... and yeah.. I still use firefox, so that's clearly a preference
instead of a hard rule.

And there's been talk about a Canonical IPO for ages - eg
https://www.datamation.com/open-source/what-are-the-chances-for-an-ubuntu-ipo/
from 2015

and now
https://techcrunch.com/2022/04/21/canonical-now-hopes-to-ipo-in-2023/

My assumption is that they're going to have to do more to generate
income and I'd rather read about how they've monetized their users
than find out first-hand.

Regards,
Lee

Re: Questions about installing Debian on a laptop

[Georgi Naplatanov]

On 12/5/22 11:57, Timothy M Butterworth wrote:



On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 4:15 AM Georgi Naplatanov > wrote:


On 12/5/22 10:47, Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
 >
 >
 > On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 3:37 AM Timothy M Butterworth
 > mailto:timothy.m.butterwo...@gmail.com>
 > >> wrote:
 >
 >
 >
 >     On Sun, Dec 4, 2022 at 2:41 PM David Christensen
 >     mailto:dpchr...@holgerdanske.com>
>> wrote:
 >
 >         On 12/4/22 05:52, Gabor Urban wrote:
 >          > Hi,
 >          >
 >          > I am planning to install Debian on a laptop the first
 >         time.That will not be
 >          > my first installing but I never used notebooks for that. I
 >         have found a lot
 >          > of useful information but I would like to have some
guidance
 >         at the start.
 >          >
 >          > What are the most important issues selecting a laptop I
 >         should be mindful
 >          > about?
 >          >
 >          > Thanks in advance,
 >
 > I have a Ryzen 7 4700U 8 core processor with Radeon Graphics. I am
 > running Debian Testing because Debian Stable does not have
working HDMI
 > sound drivers
 >
 >
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B08PC72314/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8=1 
 
>
 >
 > This Laptop requires non-free firmware for: WiFi, Sound, Video
etc. As
 > long as you do not mind running binary blobs I recommend it. The
price
 > is good for the performance.
 >

Hi Timothy,

in case this Radeon video card is integrated in CPU, would you share
your experience with it as usability and performance?

Kind regards
Georgi


The integrated Radeon Graphics performs great.  I play openMW, TES IV 
Oblivion and TES V Skyrim with CrossOver Office on the highest video 
settings and they run like a champ! Without the Non-Free blobs you only 
get a resolution of 1024x768. With the non-free binary blobs you get 
1920x1080. HDMI Audio does not function on Debian 11 due to the kernel 
and drivers being too old. Everything works well with Debian Testing and 
Non-Free Drivers. I transcode a lot of video into Matroska Theora format 
and the transcoding speed is great.




Thank you for the provided information!

Kind regards
Georgi

Re: Debian failed

[Tixy]

On Mon, 2022-12-05 at 16:20 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> Perhaps, the original poster should install and use, Debian Experimental?
> 
> It seems fitting...
> 
> :)

I know that wasn't a serious suggestion, but thought I would point out
that 'unstable' (AKA 'sid') is the bleeding edge in-development
distribution and 'experimental' doesn't contain a full distribution,
it's just a place for developers to distribute experimental packages.

-- 
Tixy

Re: Questions about installing Debian on a laptop

[Timothy M Butterworth]

On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 4:15 AM Georgi Naplatanov  wrote:

> On 12/5/22 10:47, Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 3:37 AM Timothy M Butterworth
> >  > > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 4, 2022 at 2:41 PM David Christensen
> > mailto:dpchr...@holgerdanske.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> > On 12/4/22 05:52, Gabor Urban wrote:
> >  > Hi,
> >  >
> >  > I am planning to install Debian on a laptop the first
> > time.That will not be
> >  > my first installing but I never used notebooks for that. I
> > have found a lot
> >  > of useful information but I would like to have some guidance
> > at the start.
> >  >
> >  > What are the most important issues selecting a laptop I
> > should be mindful
> >  > about?
> >  >
> >  > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > I have a Ryzen 7 4700U 8 core processor with Radeon Graphics. I am
> > running Debian Testing because Debian Stable does not have working HDMI
> > sound drivers
> >
> >
> https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B08PC72314/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8=1
> <
> https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B08PC72314/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8=1
> >
> >
> > This Laptop requires non-free firmware for: WiFi, Sound, Video etc. As
> > long as you do not mind running binary blobs I recommend it. The price
> > is good for the performance.
> >
>
> Hi Timothy,
>
> in case this Radeon video card is integrated in CPU, would you share
> your experience with it as usability and performance?
>
> Kind regards
> Georgi
>
>
The integrated Radeon Graphics performs great.  I play openMW, TES IV
Oblivion and TES V Skyrim with CrossOver Office on the highest video
settings and they run like a champ! Without the Non-Free blobs you only get
a resolution of 1024x768. With the non-free binary blobs you get 1920x1080.
HDMI Audio does not function on Debian 11 due to the kernel and drivers
being too old. Everything works well with Debian Testing and Non-Free
Drivers. I transcode a lot of video into Matroska Theora format and the
transcoding speed is great.

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Re: Questions about installing Debian on a laptop

[Georgi Naplatanov]

On 12/5/22 10:47, Timothy M Butterworth wrote:



On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 3:37 AM Timothy M Butterworth 
> wrote:




On Sun, Dec 4, 2022 at 2:41 PM David Christensen
mailto:dpchr...@holgerdanske.com>> wrote:

On 12/4/22 05:52, Gabor Urban wrote:
 > Hi,
 >
 > I am planning to install Debian on a laptop the first
time.That will not be
 > my first installing but I never used notebooks for that. I
have found a lot
 > of useful information but I would like to have some guidance
at the start.
 >
 > What are the most important issues selecting a laptop I
should be mindful
 > about?
 >
 > Thanks in advance,

I have a Ryzen 7 4700U 8 core processor with Radeon Graphics. I am 
running Debian Testing because Debian Stable does not have working HDMI 
sound drivers


https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B08PC72314/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8=1
 


This Laptop requires non-free firmware for: WiFi, Sound, Video etc. As 
long as you do not mind running binary blobs I recommend it. The price 
is good for the performance.




Hi Timothy,

in case this Radeon video card is integrated in CPU, would you share 
your experience with it as usability and performance?


Kind regards
Georgi

Re: Questions about installing Debian on a laptop

[Timothy M Butterworth]

On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 3:37 AM Timothy M Butterworth <
timothy.m.butterwo...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2022 at 2:41 PM David Christensen <
> dpchr...@holgerdanske.com> wrote:
>
>> On 12/4/22 05:52, Gabor Urban wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I am planning to install Debian on a laptop the first time.That will
>> not be
>> > my first installing but I never used notebooks for that. I have found a
>> lot
>> > of useful information but I would like to have some guidance at the
>> start.
>> >
>> > What are the most important issues selecting a laptop I should be
>> mindful
>> > about?
>> >
>> > Thanks in advance,
>
>
I have a Ryzen 7 4700U 8 core processor with Radeon Graphics. I am running
Debian Testing because Debian Stable does not have working HDMI sound
drivers

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B08PC72314/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8=1

This Laptop requires non-free firmware for: WiFi, Sound, Video etc. As long
as you do not mind running binary blobs I recommend it. The price is good
for the performance.


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Re: Debian failed

[Bret Busby]

On 05/12/2022 16:14, hede wrote:

On 04.12.2022 23:09 hw wrote:

On Sun, 2022-12-04 at 15:00 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

On Sun, Dec 04, 2022 at 03:52:31PM +0100, hw wrote:
[...]
How did you install - what image, what steps?


debian-11.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso


see below...

On 04.12.2022 21:49 hw wrote:

> [...]
> So I'm stuck with Fedora.  What's wrong with Debian that we can't even
> get AMD cards to work.

I think you need around the 5.15 kernel.


It was fully updated and the amdgpu module would load after forcing it,
yet it didn't work right.  This is something that should --- and does
with Fedora --- work right out of the box.


Fedora is a bleeding edge distribution. As such it's more comparable to 
Debian Unstable or maybe Testing than to Debian Stable (like currently 
Debian 11 "Bullseye").


Radeon RX 6000 series was released last year. I doubt it was possible to 
use one of these with Red Hat Enterprise Linux ootb in the beginning of 
this year before RHEL 9 was released. ;-)


hede


Perhaps, the original poster should install and use, Debian Experimental?

It seems fitting...

:)

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..

Re: Debian failed

[hede]

On 04.12.2022 23:09 hw wrote:

On Sun, 2022-12-04 at 15:00 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

On Sun, Dec 04, 2022 at 03:52:31PM +0100, hw wrote:
[...]
How did you install - what image, what steps?


debian-11.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso


see below...

On 04.12.2022 21:49 hw wrote:

> [...]
> So I'm stuck with Fedora.  What's wrong with Debian that we can't even
> get AMD cards to work.

I think you need around the 5.15 kernel.


It was fully updated and the amdgpu module would load after forcing it,
yet it didn't work right.  This is something that should --- and does
with Fedora --- work right out of the box.


Fedora is a bleeding edge distribution. As such it's more comparable to 
Debian Unstable or maybe Testing than to Debian Stable (like currently 
Debian 11 "Bullseye").


Radeon RX 6000 series was released last year. I doubt it was possible to 
use one of these with Red Hat Enterprise Linux ootb in the beginning of 
this year before RHEL 9 was released. ;-)


hede