Re: Re: RTL8852 driver for Debian 11

[Timothy M Butterworth]

On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 2:11 AM Andy Smith  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Again ignoring your more non-constructive complaints…
>
> TL;DR: Try USB networking like by plugging in your phone or a USB
> ethernet/wifi dongle.
>
> On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 07:39:20PM +, Richard Smith wrote:
> > The only place I found that had the driver required me to install
> > more content from online (which I can't access, due to the laptop
> > not having an Ethernet port, as well as no wireless).
>
> It is not unusual for computers (especially laptops) with newer
> hardware to not have needed drivers contained in the distro kernel.
> It's worth thinking about how you will handle that before you buy
> it.
>
> One valid strategy for handling that is, "I will consider just using
> Ubuntu, or Fedora, or whatever, and only buy hardware that works in
> those distributions."
>
> Assuming you want to continue with a distribution that doesn't
> ship a kernel that supports your wifi, and you need to get files
> onto the computer, you will have to get a bit more creative.
>
> As mentioned in the other thread, I have a laptop that has such a
> wifi card. I solved the problem of no initial networking by plugging
> a USB cable from my phone to the laptop. NetworkManager then offered
> to use it as a USB network connection without me having to configure
> anything at all. It was a one click temporary solution to getting
> the wifi driver DKMS and everything needed to compile it.
>
> Other possibilities off the top of my head:
>
> - USB ethernet dongle
>
> - USB wifi dongle with a supported chipset
>

I got burned on my last Laptop Upgrade. No WiFi, basic GPU etc. I upgraded
to Debian testing to get the latest drivers and all was good. I upgraded
straight through testing to Bookworm stable-new. It sounds like you may
want to do the same thing with Trixie. I bought one of these, a little
pricey but having it on hand to get my system up and running was worth
every penny. It is not the latest and greatest but it runs on all free
firmware!

https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-wireless-n-usb-adapter-gnu-linux-tpe-n150usb




> - File transfer by USB
>
> I'm sure you and others can think of more.
>
> > I am spending WAY too much time installing this - with very little
> > to show for it!
>
> Don't use it then. Non-actionable complaints are difficult to
> address in a volunteer project and it's totally fine for you to use
> something else. There are certainly things I do not use Debian (or
> Linux in general) for that while they would be technically possible,
> are just "way too much time" for me to consider worth it. The answer
> isn't for me to drop my complaints at Linux's door.
>
> Thanks,
> Andy
>
> --
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>
>

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Re: quick alpine config question?

[David Wright]

On Sat 25 Nov 2023 at 13:35:05 (-0500), Karen Lewellen wrote:
> Hi folks,
> floating back on screen with the latest and a question.
> My knight of mailbox creation has done a fine job so far.
> The issue is, I am being asked to provide my password for every task,
> even after doing so and logging into the imap setup the first time.
> Is there a line anywhere that has a timeout for this anywhere that can
> be adjusted?
> Or something else covering  how long alpine decides you are good to go
> where imap is concerned?
> for the record, he is using Ubuntu 22 plus, with Alpine being 2.5 plus
> I believe.

The symptom you describe might suggest that disable-password-caching
is set somewhere.

To save a password, you type N (for new-password) and it gets stored
in .pine-passfile in an obfuscated form. You should
chmod go=   that file as otherwise it is completely unprotected from
revealing your password to anyone reading it..

When you try that, you'll find out (a) whether the ubuntu version
allows this to be done, and (b) whether that's the correct filename.

There are other nasties like: nowrite_password_cache,
disable-password-file-saving and disable-password-cmd,
but I don't know the details. It looks as though there's a lot of
help information in the binary (assuming it's compiled in).

Cheers,
David.

Re: AW: AW: Part II dd copy destroyed DVD

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

Schwibinger Michael  writes:

> Sorry for bad English.
>
> I try again.
>
> I did burn a DVD.
>
> I try to copy the DVD to HD.
>
> mc ist not accepting the DVD.
>
> DD same.
>
> Shall I use ddrescue.
>
> Regards 
>
> Sorry for been so much stupid.
>

Hellow Sophie!

First you check that your DVD is OK.

Then copy it ...

(Genau wie Sie ist Englisch nicht meine Muttersprache.)


Sincerely, Byung-Hee (South Korea)

Re: vanilla to sid

[Geoff]

Michael Thompson wrote:

Dear Debian,

I have sent a few emails already, but I suspect I've been talking to the wrong 
person...
I'm sure there's a way (on gmail) to forward an email I've sent, to an 
additional recipient, but for the life of me, I can't see it.
This is clumsy, but so am I.

Dear Debian,
Hello guys, sorry to bring this up and bother you again, but 
Using sid with the aarnet.edu.au  mirror, and an update 
took out my networking. That was about 14 hours ago.
No way to get updates or fixes... leave it a while, and reinstall ~ from the 
12.2 netinstall.
After the 3rd or 4th, I started doing a VirtualBox clone of a base Debian stable, 
and then playing with that. Easier than doing the whole install & upgrade.
First attempt, I set the aarnet mirror up in sources.list  for install, but 
changed it to
deb http://deb.debian.org/debian  sid main 
contrib non-free
deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian  sid main 
contrib non-free
~ and that's all. The problem persists. It isn't a problem with the Australian 
mirror. It has been going on for nearly a day now.
If you would like (let me know) I will clone it again and do the dist-upgrade 
to full sid and then investigate as you suggest, but ... For now, I'm just 
letting you know that sid has networking that's broken. I don't know what is 
broken, but it takes out your whole networking and network cards / adaptors.

Yours respectfully, Mike


Hi Mike,

I'm on sid and if I was to do a dist-upgrade now it will remove network-manager:

The following packages will be REMOVED:
  network-manager plasma-nm wireshark-qt

So I wouldn't do a dist-upgrade right now :)

You have to be careful and watch what it's telling you.

Regards,
Geoff

Re: Re: RTL8852 driver for Debian 11

[Andy Smith]

Hi,

Again ignoring your more non-constructive complaints…

TL;DR: Try USB networking like by plugging in your phone or a USB
ethernet/wifi dongle.

On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 07:39:20PM +, Richard Smith wrote:
> The only place I found that had the driver required me to install
> more content from online (which I can't access, due to the laptop
> not having an Ethernet port, as well as no wireless).

It is not unusual for computers (especially laptops) with newer
hardware to not have needed drivers contained in the distro kernel.
It's worth thinking about how you will handle that before you buy
it.

One valid strategy for handling that is, "I will consider just using
Ubuntu, or Fedora, or whatever, and only buy hardware that works in
those distributions."

Assuming you want to continue with a distribution that doesn't
ship a kernel that supports your wifi, and you need to get files
onto the computer, you will have to get a bit more creative.

As mentioned in the other thread, I have a laptop that has such a
wifi card. I solved the problem of no initial networking by plugging
a USB cable from my phone to the laptop. NetworkManager then offered
to use it as a USB network connection without me having to configure
anything at all. It was a one click temporary solution to getting
the wifi driver DKMS and everything needed to compile it.

Other possibilities off the top of my head:

- USB ethernet dongle

- USB wifi dongle with a supported chipset

- File transfer by USB

I'm sure you and others can think of more.

> I am spending WAY too much time installing this - with very little
> to show for it!

Don't use it then. Non-actionable complaints are difficult to
address in a volunteer project and it's totally fine for you to use
something else. There are certainly things I do not use Debian (or
Linux in general) for that while they would be technically possible,
are just "way too much time" for me to consider worth it. The answer
isn't for me to drop my complaints at Linux's door.

Thanks,
Andy

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Re: RTL8852 driver for Debian 11

[Andy Smith]

Hi,

On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 12:21:28PM +, Richard Smith wrote:
> I find the issue with Debian weird, as I was able to use this same computer 
> (Lenovo IdeaPad I7, with a Realtek b52 controller) with Ubuntu, Kali, and 
> Tails, without an issue!
> 
> I hear that Debian is awesome when it comes to stability - but after spending 
> over 8 hours trying to install it to my laptop, I'm beginning to question 
> what constitutes as "awesome" in some people's eyes...

Your opinion piece is best posted to your blog as it won't help you
get assistance in a Debian support venue.

> I'm trying to learn about how to compile a driver (if I can find
> one for Debian 12) - if anyone can assist, that would be great!

I have a laptop with an RTL8852be which runs Debian 12. I had to
install a DKMS module to get support for it. I reported this to
debian-kernel here:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2023/03/msg00275.html

that link also contains a link to the github repository for the DKMS
that I successfully use. If that driver is for your hardware, I
suggest you try that and report back any issues. It works fine for
me and my only complaint is that it is a DKMS.

Or continue using a distro kernel that has the driver built in.

As the thread linked above covers, given that upstream kernel does
have the rtw89_8852be driver in it, it will eventually come to
Debian, though possibly in a bookworm-backports kernel untilDebian
13 (trixie) is released.

Thanks,
Andy

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Re: mpv "some-gif-file.gif" fullscreen and quit, auto exits/kills wayland/ "logs out"

[Zenaan Harkness]

On 11/26/23, Zenaan Harkness  wrote:
> On 11/22/23, Zenaan Harkness  wrote:
>> On 11/22/23, Zenaan Harkness  wrote:
>>> Ok, I did some more testing on this one:
>>>
>>> Does not matter if it's a gif or a video.
>>>
>>> What __does__ matter is if the gif or video is zoomed, AND make
>>> fullscreen, e.g using
>> ...
>>
>> Fullscreen does not matter. the video/gif can be not full screen, and
>> Wayland/login can still crash...
>
> Testing various combos this morning, it's the "mpv zoom" (presumably
> the underlying canvas resizing), which is repeatable, but only using
> the intel-media-va-driver-non-free, which crashes wayland/gnome (I can
> only guess at this stage).
>
> Installing intel-media-va-driver (which auto removes the non-free
> driver) and I cannot duplicate.
>
> I shall report this against the intel media driver github issues.


Can reproduce on intel free driver too. Reproduced with .gif, .webm and .mp4.

For reference, bug reported just now:

https://github.com/intel/media-driver/issues/1743

RE: Consulta puerto 25

[Romero, Fernando]

Gracias por tu respuesta.
Me dejo de funcionar sin tocar nada, ahora pude hacer que me responda por el 
nombre, intente todo y lo ultimo que toque fue el /etc/hosts que lo tenia asi

127.0.0.1  localhost

Y lo comente y  modifique asi

#127.0.0.1  localhost
127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost

Ahí comenzó a responder por el nombre.

Saludos

-Mensaje original-
De: Camaleón [mailto:noela...@gmail.com]
Enviado el: sábado, 25 de noviembre de 2023 11:59
Para: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
Asunto: Re: Consulta puerto 25

CUIDADO: Este correo es externo a TRENES ARGENTINOS, no abras vinculos ni 
completes formularios de origenes desconocidos.



El 2023-11-25 a las 14:30 +, Romero, Fernando escribió:

> Tengo problemas con el smtp en debían, si hago un telnet desde afuera al 
> puerto 25 por el ip me responde pero por el nombre de dominio no.
> Lo raro es que los dns responden bien, ya no se donde mas mirar, alguien tuvo 
> este problema?

Faltan datos.

¿Intentas conectra a un servidor remoto que gestionas tú mismo en tu servidor 
Debian (acceso servidor) o intentas conectarte a un dominio remoto que gestiona 
un tercero (acceso como cliente)?

En cualquier caso, si conecta por IP pero falla cuando usas el nombre de 
dominio, comprueba que estés usando el nombre correcto:

Por ejemplo, si el servidor al que quieres conectar es «google.es»:

sm01@stt008:~$ host -t mx google.es
google.es mail is handled by 0 smtp.google.com.
sm01@stt008:~$ telnet smtp.google.com 25 Trying 2a00:1450:400c:c1b::1b...
Connected to smtp.google.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 mx.google.com ESMTP
h17-20020a05600c315100b003f8ca12123fsi3612669wmo.45 - gsmtp

Saludos,

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Re: mpv "some-gif-file.gif" fullscreen and quit, auto exits/kills wayland/ "logs out"

[Zenaan Harkness]

On 11/22/23, Zenaan Harkness  wrote:
> On 11/22/23, Zenaan Harkness  wrote:
>> Ok, I did some more testing on this one:
>>
>> Does not matter if it's a gif or a video.
>>
>> What __does__ matter is if the gif or video is zoomed, AND make
>> fullscreen, e.g using
> ...
>
> Fullscreen does not matter. the video/gif can be not full screen, and
> Wayland/login can still crash...

Testing various combos this morning, it's the "mpv zoom" (presumably
the underlying canvas resizing), which is repeatable, but only using
the intel-media-va-driver-non-free, which crashes wayland/gnome (I can
only guess at this stage).

Installing intel-media-va-driver (which auto removes the non-free
driver) and I cannot duplicate.

I shall report this against the intel media driver github issues.

Re: live-build: erreur sur firmware

[Pierre ESTREm]

Bonsoir Didier,

J'ai dans tous mes dépôts la section non-free-firmware.
Par contre je n'avais dans aucun la section "contrib".
Je l'ai ajouté partout, puis je fais un "apt update".
Pas mieux avec le config le plus simple.

Je réinstalle la netinst et je présume que ça ira, tout au mieux au début.

Je me souviens avoir fait un "apt upgrade"...

pierre estrem




Le 25/11/2023 à 08:51, didier gaumet a écrit :

Le 24/11/2023 à 21:32, Pierre ESTREm a écrit :

Bonsoir,

Je n'y comprends plus rien : alors que mes premiers essais étaient 
fructueux; voilà que j'ai systématiquement la même erreur... avec le 
simplissime script auto/config :


#!/bin/sh
set -e
lb config noauto \
     "${@}"

Je fais cela sur une Debian 12.
Et toujours cette erreur sur le paquet firmware-linux...

pierre estrem


Tu as bien la section non-free-firmware présente pour chaque dépôt 
dans le fichier /etc/apt/sources.list de ton PC (celui à partir duquel 
tu essaies de construire ton système cible live)?

AW: AW: Part II dd copy destroyed DVD

[Schwibinger Michael]

Sorry for bad English.

I try again.

I did burn a DVD.

I try to copy the DVD to HD.

mc ist not accepting the DVD.

DD same.

Shall I use ddrescue.

Regards

Sorry for been so much stupid.

Sophie




Von: Andrew M.A. Cater 
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. November 2023 23:14
An: Schwibinger Michael 
Betreff: Re: AW: Part II dd copy destroyed DVD

On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 02:11:13PM +, Schwibinger Michael wrote:
>
> Yes.
> This is the problem.
> So mc cannot copy all files
>
> Regards
>
> Sophie
>
>

Hi Sophie

I'm guessing you're using Michael's account I also understand that English
might not be your main language.

This is a difficult thing to say: we are all having difficulties helping
you because the same topics come up again and again and each message has
the same subject. This is taking a lot of time on this list.

We ask regularly for more details or a better explanation and you cannot
give it. Please go and read more to understand how to explain what is
happening better.

We cannot sit by you at your computer to see *exactly* what you see so
you will need to explain it better - or maybe accept that we cannot help.

With every good wish, as ever,

Andy Cater

>
> 
> Von: to...@tuxteam.de
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 19. November 2023 06:59
> Bis: Timothy M Butterworth
> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Betreff: Re: Part II dd copy destroyed DVD
>
> On Sat, Nov 18, 2023 at 10:38:16PM -0500, Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 18, 2023 at 10:17 PM Max Nikulin  wrote:
> >
> > > On 18/11/2023 23:35, Marco Moock wrote:
> > > > it maybe a stupid DRM?
> > >
> > > ... or a blank disk because nothing has been written there.
> > >
> > > AW: Anybody familiar with dd (copy)? Sat, 4 Nov 2023 13:28:16 +
> > >
> > > https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/as8pr10mb742781d572af09e5dc874f1dc5...@as8pr10mb7427.eurprd10.prod.outlook.com
> > > >  I did burn a DVD.
> > > > Burning did make a bug.
> > >
> >
> > How big is the iso file? If it is larger than 4.7GB then it will be too
> > large to write to disk.
>
> I lost track: does the OP have a crippled file system
> like that?
>
> Cheers
> --
> t

Re: Re: RTL8852 driver for Debian 11

[Richard Smith]

I'm currently wrestling with Debian 12 for my Lenovo IdeaPad 7 laptop - after 
having the NIC function swimmingly with Ubuntu, Kali, LMDE, and Tails.
Not only is wireless not seen - but it seems that the functionality of the DVD 
version leaves a LOT to be desired. The only place I found that had the driver 
required me to install more content from online (which I can't access, due to 
the laptop not having an Ethernet port, as well as no wireless).

When one couples the above with the Debian site being horrible organized 
(seriously: it gives me the impression that people don't want you to use 
Debian), I cant help but think: for all of this talk about Debian being 
awesome, I am spending WAY too much time installing this - with very little to 
show for it!

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Re: quick alpine config question?

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi folks,
floating back on screen with the latest and a question.
My knight of mailbox creation has done a fine job so far.
The issue is, I am being asked to provide my password for every task, even 
after doing so and logging into the imap setup the first time.
Is there a line anywhere that has a timeout for this anywhere that can be 
adjusted?
Or something else covering  how long alpine decides you are good to go 
where imap is concerned?
for the record, he is using Ubuntu 22 plus, with Alpine being 2.5 plus  I 
believe.


Thanks,
Kare

Re: vanilla to sid

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 02:22:16AM +1000, Michael Thompson wrote:
> Dear Debian,
> 
> I have sent a few emails already, but I suspect I've been talking to the
> wrong person...
> I'm sure there's a way (on gmail) to forward an email I've sent, to an
> additional recipient, but for the life of me, I can't see it.
> This is clumsy, but so am I.
> 
> Dear Debian,
> Hello guys, sorry to bring this up and bother you again, but 
> Using sid with the aarnet.edu.au mirror, and an update took out my
> networking. That was about 14 hours ago.
> No way to get updates or fixes... leave it a while, and reinstall ~ from
> the 12.2 netinstall.
> After the 3rd or 4th, I started doing a VirtualBox clone of a base Debian
> stable, and then playing with that. Easier than doing the whole install &
> upgrade.
> First attempt, I set the aarnet mirror up in sources.list  for install, but
> changed it to
> deb http://deb.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free
> deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free
> ~ and that's all. The problem persists. It isn't a problem with the
> Australian mirror. It has been going on for nearly a day now.
> If you would like (let me know) I will clone it again and do the
> dist-upgrade to full sid and then investigate as you suggest, but ... For
> now, I'm just letting you know that sid has networking that's broken. I
> don't know what is broken, but it takes out your whole networking and
> network cards / adaptors.
> 

Check your /etc/apt/sources.list - it has changed in Bookworm to allow for
non free firmware. If you have no firmware then it wifi might be impacted?
Read the release notes.

Update from a minimal 12.2 -> testing and testing -> unstable and then
add extra packages.

In general, if you work with sid, you are absolutely expected to be able
to support yourself - there may be periodic major breakage.

If it breaks, you really do get to keep both pieces :) 

With every good wish, as ever,

Andy Cater
> Yours respectfully, Mike
> --
> Dear Debian,
> 
> Minor update. I made a clone, and I added the backports repo, but not the
> sid.
> That's working fine.
> ---
> mike@debian:~$ sudo apt update
> [sudo] password for mike:
> Hit:1 http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/debian bookworm InRelease
> Hit:2 http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/debian bookworm-updates InRelease
> Get:3 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-backports InRelease [56.5 kB]
> Hit:4 http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security InRelease
> Fetched 56.5 kB in 1s (103 kB/s)
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree... Done
> Reading state information... Done
> All packages are up to date.
> mike@debian:~$ uname -a
> Linux debian 6.5.0-0.deb12.1-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian
> 6.5.3-1~bpo12+1 (2023-10-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux
> mike@debian:~$
> 
> Repeat, there is no issue with the networking if you stick to the
> backports, but if you do a full dist-upgrade to sid, all your networking
> stops and most of your networking tools seem to be missing. The things you
> normally do to investigate, like ifconfig ~ return words to the effect that
> command is not recognised.
> 
> Respectfully,
> Mike
> 
> Dear Debian,
> 
> Thank you for your patience.
> Minor update.
> I have been fiddling, and I found a way to make it work.
> Then I thought maybe the Debian team simply fixed it at their end, and the
> 'problem' no longer exists. So I made another clone of vanilla Debian and I
> tried the normal update / upgrade to sid, and that ran through with the
> exact same result as before. We have a 'tasting' clone that has no working
> network.
> So ~ How did I make it work?
> Start with the modify /etc/apt/sources.list. change that to read sid rather
> than bookworm, and remove all the other lines.
> sudo apt update
> sudo apt --list upgradeable
> Now, start at the bottom of the list. write sudo apt install, then go copy
> the package name of the item to be upgraded. Stop at the '/unstable' .
> Paste that after the apt install. Don't stop at one, there's about 800
> packages to upgrade... Do them in batches of roughly a dozen. try to keep
> things together that obviously belong together ~ eg, all the Mate desktop
> stuff can go through in one install.
> I did start by updating the kernel, and build-essential. Then I updated the
> network-manager because I thought that was maybe the problem.
> Reboot after every few updates, update them about 10 ~ 12 at a time it
> does take a  while, but after a mid point, the numbers start to come down
> fairly quickly because of things brought in as dependencies and such.
> If you would like me to get and send you my bash history, so you can see
> exactly how I bumbled my way through it, let me know. It did take well over
> an hour
> 
> *** This is from a sid upgrade that has not worked. This is the state it's
> in now. ***
> 
> mike@debian:~$ ip adr show
> Object "adr" is 

Re: RTL8852 driver for Debian 11

[David Wright]

On Sat 25 Nov 2023 at 12:21:28 (+), Richard Smith wrote:
> Testing access to the message.
> 
> I find the issue with Debian weird, as I was able to use this same computer 
> (Lenovo IdeaPad I7, with a Realtek b52 controller) with Ubuntu, Kali, and 
> Tails, without an issue!

In ubuntu, cat /proc/modules would tell you the modules loaded,
and   dmesg | grep firmware   would tell you the firmware required.

> I hear that Debian is awesome when it comes to stability - but after spending 
> over 8 hours trying to install it to my laptop, I'm beginning to question 
> what constitutes as "awesome" in some people's eyes...
> 
> I'm trying to learn about how to compile a driver (if I can find one for 
> Debian 12) - if anyone can assist, that would be great!

Is this an X-Y problem, and you don't really want to compile one,
but just find it.

Cheers,
David.

Re: quick alpine config question?

[David Wright]

On Sat 25 Nov 2023 at 11:46:39 (+), Tim Woodall wrote:
> OK. This is weird! Something is joining those two lines.

Your post's headers contained the following line:

  Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII
↑

A fix is to diff > output-file and attach the output file.

> I've tried removing the trailing space on the original commented
> separator =

Trailing spaces are significant to format=flowed.

Cheers,
David.

vanilla to sid

[Michael Thompson]

Dear Debian,

I have sent a few emails already, but I suspect I've been talking to the
wrong person...
I'm sure there's a way (on gmail) to forward an email I've sent, to an
additional recipient, but for the life of me, I can't see it.
This is clumsy, but so am I.

Dear Debian,
Hello guys, sorry to bring this up and bother you again, but 
Using sid with the aarnet.edu.au mirror, and an update took out my
networking. That was about 14 hours ago.
No way to get updates or fixes... leave it a while, and reinstall ~ from
the 12.2 netinstall.
After the 3rd or 4th, I started doing a VirtualBox clone of a base Debian
stable, and then playing with that. Easier than doing the whole install &
upgrade.
First attempt, I set the aarnet mirror up in sources.list  for install, but
changed it to
deb http://deb.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free
deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free
~ and that's all. The problem persists. It isn't a problem with the
Australian mirror. It has been going on for nearly a day now.
If you would like (let me know) I will clone it again and do the
dist-upgrade to full sid and then investigate as you suggest, but ... For
now, I'm just letting you know that sid has networking that's broken. I
don't know what is broken, but it takes out your whole networking and
network cards / adaptors.

Yours respectfully, Mike
--
Dear Debian,

Minor update. I made a clone, and I added the backports repo, but not the
sid.
That's working fine.
---
mike@debian:~$ sudo apt update
[sudo] password for mike:
Hit:1 http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/debian bookworm InRelease
Hit:2 http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/debian bookworm-updates InRelease
Get:3 http://deb.debian.org/debian bookworm-backports InRelease [56.5 kB]
Hit:4 http://security.debian.org/debian-security bookworm-security InRelease
Fetched 56.5 kB in 1s (103 kB/s)
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
All packages are up to date.
mike@debian:~$ uname -a
Linux debian 6.5.0-0.deb12.1-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian
6.5.3-1~bpo12+1 (2023-10-08) x86_64 GNU/Linux
mike@debian:~$

Repeat, there is no issue with the networking if you stick to the
backports, but if you do a full dist-upgrade to sid, all your networking
stops and most of your networking tools seem to be missing. The things you
normally do to investigate, like ifconfig ~ return words to the effect that
command is not recognised.

Respectfully,
Mike

Dear Debian,

Thank you for your patience.
Minor update.
I have been fiddling, and I found a way to make it work.
Then I thought maybe the Debian team simply fixed it at their end, and the
'problem' no longer exists. So I made another clone of vanilla Debian and I
tried the normal update / upgrade to sid, and that ran through with the
exact same result as before. We have a 'tasting' clone that has no working
network.
So ~ How did I make it work?
Start with the modify /etc/apt/sources.list. change that to read sid rather
than bookworm, and remove all the other lines.
sudo apt update
sudo apt --list upgradeable
Now, start at the bottom of the list. write sudo apt install, then go copy
the package name of the item to be upgraded. Stop at the '/unstable' .
Paste that after the apt install. Don't stop at one, there's about 800
packages to upgrade... Do them in batches of roughly a dozen. try to keep
things together that obviously belong together ~ eg, all the Mate desktop
stuff can go through in one install.
I did start by updating the kernel, and build-essential. Then I updated the
network-manager because I thought that was maybe the problem.
Reboot after every few updates, update them about 10 ~ 12 at a time it
does take a  while, but after a mid point, the numbers start to come down
fairly quickly because of things brought in as dependencies and such.
If you would like me to get and send you my bash history, so you can see
exactly how I bumbled my way through it, let me know. It did take well over
an hour

*** This is from a sid upgrade that has not worked. This is the state it's
in now. ***

mike@debian:~$ ip adr show
Object "adr" is unknown, try "ip help".
mike@debian:~$ ip addr show
1: lo:  mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group
default qlen 1000
link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
inet6 ::1/128 scope host noprefixroute
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
2: enp0s3:  mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN group
default qlen 1000
link/ether 08:00:27:8a:8d:f9 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
mike@debian:~$


=
*** This is from the upgrade I just did. ***
mike@debian:~$ ip addr show
1: lo:  mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group
default qlen 1000
link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
   valid_lft forever 

Re: RTL8852 driver for Debian 11

[Charles Curley]

On Sat, 25 Nov 2023 12:21:28 +
Richard Smith  wrote:

> I find the issue with Debian weird, as I was able to use this same
> computer (Lenovo IdeaPad I7, with a Realtek b52 controller) with
> Ubuntu, Kali, and Tails, without an issue!

What exactly is your problem? Please show error messages, and also run
lspci or lsusb as appropriate and show us the result.

I searched thinkwiki (https://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki) for
"IdeaPad I7" and got nothing.

"RTL8852" is not sufficient to identify which firmware package you need.

root@tsalmoth:~# apt show firmware-realtek | grep -i  RTL8852

WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts.

  * Realtek RTL8852AU Bluetooth config (rtl_bt/rtl8852au_config.bin)
  * Realtek RTL8852AU Bluetooth firmware (rtl_bt/rtl8852au_fw.bin)
  * Realtek RTL8852BU Bluetooth config (rtl_bt/rtl8852bu_config.bin)
  * Realtek RTL8852BU Bluetooth firmware (rtl_bt/rtl8852bu_fw.bin)
  * Realtek RTL8852CU Bluetooth config (rtl_bt/rtl8852cu_config.bin)
  * Realtek RTL8852CU Bluetooth firmware (rtl_bt/rtl8852cu_fw.bin)
  * Realtek RTL8852A firmware, version v0.9.12.2 (rtw89/rtw8852a_fw.bin)
  * Realtek RTL8852B firmware, version v0.27.32.1
  * Realtek RTL8852C firmware, version v0.27.56.10
root@tsalmoth:~# 

Running lspci should give you the exact designation of the device you
have, possibly something similar to this:

root@hawk:~# lspci | grep -i realtek
03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 
PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 11)
root@hawk:~# 

Please run an appropriate command, then copy and paste into your reply
email, including leading and trailing shell prompts.

You might run the same command(s) under one of the Linux distributions
that does work, and show us those results as well.


-- 
Does anybody read signatures any more?

https://charlescurley.com
https://charlescurley.com/blog/

Re: Boot fails to load network or USB, piix4_smbus - SMBus Host Controller, after update to dbus (1.14.10-3) unstable SOLVED

[Andy Dorman]

I'm pretty sure you can bind mount /proc, /sys, /dev, /run, chroot and
then update-initramfs to regen.

Thanks Tim. You make it sound so simple.

I searched for "chroot to mounted disk to update initramfs" and found 
several detailed descriptions of the process.


https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=143279

Thank you so much.  I will give it a shot today and report back.

Thank you again Tim. It worked.

I found an excellent overall guide in the debian wiki that could be 
applied to fix any number of issues with a dead system:


https://wiki.debian.org/RescueLive

Here are the exact steps I took, just in case it can help anyone else 
with problems similar to ours.



1. Download, make, then boot into live CD or USB flash & drop into shell. >
2. Get root access with live CD just so I don't have to preface every
command below with sudo.

sudo su -

3. Use fdisk to examine HDs and determine main fs partition(s) on the
RAID to be repaired, then mount it/them...Replace "sdax" below with
the main (and boot if separate) RAID partitions. In my case we did not
have a separate boot partition, so I only had to mount one device.

/sbin/fdisk -l
mount /dev/sdax /mnt

4. Confirm we see all the appropriate directories

ls /mnt/

5. Bind mounts of key file system dirs

for name in proc sys dev ; do mount --bind /$name /mnt/$name; done

6. mount /etc/resolve.conf and /dev/pts

mount --bind /dev/pts /mnt/dev/pts
mount --bind /etc/resolv.conf /mnt/etc/resolv.conf

7. chroot into mounted system

chroot /mnt/ /bin/bash

8. I had to temporarily disable our apt proxy since the server can't
see the proxy from our office where we are doing this repair.

mv /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99proxy /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99proxy.bak

9. Install initramfs-tools and initramfs-tools-core which automatically
removed tiny-initramfs-tools which caused all this in the first place.

apt install initramfs-tools initramfs-tools-core

10. Rgen initramfs and update grub

update-initramfs -uv; update-grub

11. Put the apt proxy back

mv /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99proxy.bak /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99proxy

10. exit out of chroot, unmount everything, do a clean shutdown

exit

umount /mnt/dev/pts
umount /mnt/dev
umount /mnt/etc/resolv.conf
umount /mnt/proc
umount /mnt/sys
umount /mnt/boot ???
umount /mnt

shutdown -r now

11. remove the LIVE flash then power up to confirm a good boot
with the repaired RAID


Andy

RE: Consulta puerto 25

[Víctor José Jiménez Asensio]

Buenas a todos:

 

Si desde fuera responde por IP y no por nombre del dominio, en mi opinión 
tienes que mirar en que esté correctamente creado el registro "A" en el DNS 
externo. O a lo mejor está creado bien pero que todavía no se haya propagado 
correctamente a los demás servidores DNS de internet.

 

Si lo acabas de crear esperar 24 horas.

 

Es que no hay más... Si es posible poner el nombre de dominio y te echamos una 
mano desde aquí. Si es confidencial no lo pongas.

 

 

 

De: Romero, Fernando [mailto:fernando.rom...@trenesargentinos.gob.ar] 
Enviado el: sábado, 25 de noviembre de 2023 15:30
Para: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
Asunto: Consulta puerto 25

 

Hola como están.

Tengo problemas con el smtp en debían, si hago un telnet desde afuera al puerto 
25 por el ip me responde pero por el nombre de dominio no.

Lo raro es que los dns responden bien, ya no se donde mas mirar, alguien tuvo 
este problema?

 

Saludos y gracias

"El contenido del presente mensaje (y sus anexos) es privado, confidencial y de 
exclusivo uso para el destinatario referenciado; es de público conocimiento que 
las comunicaciones por medio de Internet no permiten asegurar ni garantizar la 
confidencialidad de los mensajes transmitidos, así como tampoco su integridad o 
su correcta recepción; es por ello que SOFSE no se responsabiliza de posibles 
perjuicios derivados de la captura, incorporaciones de virus o cualquier otra 
manipulación efectuada por terceros. Las opiniones expresadas en este mensaje y 
en los archivos adjuntos son propias del remitente y no representan la opinión 
o políticas de SOFSE, salvo que se diga expresamente y el remitente se 
encuentre autorizado para ello" 

Re: texinfo infofiles

[Max Nikulin]

On 25/11/2023 15:44, Chielllo Boss wrote:

A new install of debian does not contain texinfo by default.
After installing texinfo, many of the info files are missing.
Only after reinstalling a package, the corresponding info file will be 
installed.


What particular command did you try when you experienced the issue?

My guess is that the "install-info" package was missed. It has a trigger 
to update /usr/share/info/dir (index of available info files). Packages 
providing "info-browser" has this package in dependencies, but namely 
"texinfo" does not depend on it.

Re: quick alpine config question?

[Tim Woodall]

On Sat, 25 Nov 2023, Tixy wrote:


On Sat, 2023-11-25 at 13:49 +, Tixy wrote:

On Sat, 2023-11-25 at 11:46 +, Tim Woodall wrote:

OK. This is weird! Something is joining those two lines.


Not at this end it isn't. For me, all 3 of your diffs look the same on
screen and are binary the same apart from the space you deleted in the
third one.

Perhaps your MUA is treating it as being in quoted-printable encoding?


I've just looked at the message on the web archive [1] and see that
shows the lines joined before you removed the space after the '=',
perhaps that's what you were looking at?

[1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/11/msg00898.html



I wasn't looking at that but yes, that's exactly what I was seeing.

When I view them in alpine, both the versions in sent-mail and the
versions in debian-user look like that, with the lines joined.

If I "postpone" the message and then continue editing the lines do not
get merged (I tested this while composing the previous messages)

After your email (thanks) I went and checked the Maildir. All the
messages are correct with the linebreak - so they've gone out from
alpine, thirough various mailservers to debian-user and then back
through more to my Maildir and nothing has corrupted them.

Interestingly, and I didn't think to try this before because my emails
are plain text, hitting `H' (full header mode) does display the message
correctly with the linebreak.

My guess is that it's an unfortunate interaction of using vim as my
editor, alpine setting format=flowed and that diff having a trailing
space.

I think, therefore, alpine (and the webserver you linked to) are
correctly reflowing these two lines. At some point I need to see if
there's a way to get alpine (or vim) to warn about this situation or
maybe a different header would be more appropriate as I do not have
:set fo+=w so I do not normally have trailing spaces (and vim does
highlight them for me so I knew it was there but I left it in
deliberately.

Now I know about this I can avoid it - but a better header would seem to
be appropriate given that I do not use this feature.

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/16282728/how-do-i-compose-format-flowed-emails-that-include-hanging-indents-with-vim

Tim.

Consulta puerto 25

[Romero, Fernando]

Hola como están.
Tengo problemas con el smtp en debían, si hago un telnet desde afuera al puerto 
25 por el ip me responde pero por el nombre de dominio no.
Lo raro es que los dns responden bien, ya no se donde mas mirar, alguien tuvo 
este problema?

Saludos y gracias
"El contenido del presente mensaje (y sus anexos) es privado, confidencial y de 
exclusivo uso para el destinatario referenciado; es de público conocimiento que 
las comunicaciones por medio de Internet no permiten asegurar ni garantizar la 
confidencialidad de los mensajes transmitidos, así como tampoco su integridad o 
su correcta recepción; es por ello que SOFSE no se responsabiliza de posibles 
perjuicios derivados de la captura, incorporaciones de virus o cualquier otra 
manipulación efectuada por terceros. Las opiniones expresadas en este mensaje y 
en los archivos adjuntos son propias del remitente y no representan la opinión 
o políticas de SOFSE, salvo que se diga expresamente y el remitente se 
encuentre autorizado para ello"

Re: texinfo infofiles

[Greg Wooledge]

On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 09:44:59AM +0100, Chielllo Boss wrote:
> A new install of debian does not contain texinfo by default.
> After installing texinfo, many of the info files are missing.
> Only after reinstalling a package, the corresponding info file will be
> installed.

I don't believe this is true.  Perhaps your index just needs to
be rebuilt, so that your "info" command knows about the *.info files
which are already present.

Can you give us some details?  What command did you run, what output
did it give you, and what output did you expect instead?

>From the other direction: what package did you have to reinstall?
What was the output of "dpkg -L pkgname" before the reinstall, and
what was the output after?  Which specific file was missing?

Re: quick alpine config question?

[Tixy]

On Sat, 2023-11-25 at 13:49 +, Tixy wrote:
> On Sat, 2023-11-25 at 11:46 +, Tim Woodall wrote:
> > OK. This is weird! Something is joining those two lines.
> 
> Not at this end it isn't. For me, all 3 of your diffs look the same on
> screen and are binary the same apart from the space you deleted in the
> third one.
> 
> Perhaps your MUA is treating it as being in quoted-printable encoding?

I've just looked at the message on the web archive [1] and see that
shows the lines joined before you removed the space after the '=',
perhaps that's what you were looking at?

[1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/11/msg00898.html 

-- 
Tixy

Re: texinfo infofiles

[gene heskett]

On 11/25/23 04:03, Chielllo Boss wrote:
Dear debian users / team, defenders of the free world, titans of the 
digital age,


A new install of debian does not contain texinfo by default.
After installing texinfo, many of the info files are missing.
Only after reinstalling a package, the corresponding info file will be 
installed.


I have not found a wiki page about the info utility on the debian wiki,
nor found information about installing all info files of installed 
packages in a reasonably easy manner.
This may be because the search term "info" is not very useful on most 
browsers.


I'm not sure if you consider this a problem, or what the best solution is.
Perhaps an easy solution exists, which I'm missing and can't find.
I'll be so brave (with my limited knowledge) to propose creating a wiki 
page for the info utility,

where problems like these can be covered.

You may want to look at pinfo, its a better organized version altho 
neither it seems is getting a lot of tlc. I prefer a well written 
manpage myself, but even that is getting rarer.


With kind regards,
Machiel


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: quick alpine config question?

[Tixy]

On Sat, 2023-11-25 at 11:46 +, Tim Woodall wrote:
> OK. This is weird! Something is joining those two lines.

Not at this end it isn't. For me, all 3 of your diffs look the same on
screen and are binary the same apart from the space you deleted in the
third one.

Perhaps your MUA is treating it as being in quoted-printable encoding?
Though looking at the RFC for that, it looks like deleting the trailing
space should have caused the problem (by turning it into a soft line
break) not fixed it. So it's perhaps some other quirk.

-- 
Tixy

 

Re: RTL8852 driver for Debian 11

[Richard Smith]

Testing access to the message.

I find the issue with Debian weird, as I was able to use this same computer 
(Lenovo IdeaPad I7, with a Realtek b52 controller) with Ubuntu, Kali, and 
Tails, without an issue!

I hear that Debian is awesome when it comes to stability - but after spending 
over 8 hours trying to install it to my laptop, I'm beginning to question what 
constitutes as "awesome" in some people's eyes...

I'm trying to learn about how to compile a driver (if I can find one for Debian 
12) - if anyone can assist, that would be great!



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Re: quick alpine config question?

[Tim Woodall]

OK. This is weird! Something is joining those two lines.

diff --git a/dovecot/conf.d/10-mail.conf b/dovecot/conf.d/10-mail.conf
index b47235f..5b20997 100644
--- a/dovecot/conf.d/10-mail.conf
+++ b/dovecot/conf.d/10-mail.conf
@@ -27,7 +27,8 @@
 #
 # 
 #
-mail_location = mbox:~/mail:INBOX=/var/mail/%u
+#mail_location = mbox:~/mail:INBOX=/var/mail/%u
+mail_location = maildir:~/Maildir:INBOX=~/Maildir/INBOX:LAYOUT=fs

 # If you need to set multiple mailbox locations or want to change default
 # namespace settings, you can do it by defining namespace sections.
@@ -47,6 +48,7 @@ namespace inbox {
   # namespaces or some clients get confused. '/' is usually a good one.
   # The default however depends on the underlying mail storage format.
   #separator =
+  separator = /

   # Prefix required to access this namespace. This needs to be different for
   # all namespaces. For example "Public/".

I've tried removing the trailing space on the original commented
separator =

Re: quick alpine config question?

[Tim Woodall]

On Sat, 25 Nov 2023, Tim Woodall wrote:


On Fri, 24 Nov 2023, Tim Woodall wrote:


On Thu, 23 Nov 2023, Karen Lewellen wrote:


Hi folks,
We have a member of the greater Toronto Linux Users group, who rather 
enjoys setting up email accounts,hosting allot of them personally.
He is new to alpine though, our test of roundcube was almost, but not 
quite successful due to sloppy JavaScript coding on the send button.
where he is stuck at the moment is how to get alpine to display imap 
things like the sent mail folder int he folders list.
Dreamhost is having the same problem with some of our new office email 
accounts.
is there a specific imap server config file, or a choice from the main 
settings s, config c options?
Also, what about the imap aspect of certificates? I recall there is a new 
way to create the aph thing google requires.

Thanks for ideas.
Kare




Are you using mbox or Maildir? And is inbox in /home or /var/spool/mail?

I have this working with dovecot. Maildir with INBOX in /home.

I'll look up the config but it will probably be Saturday. I vaguely
recall having ti tweak something in the dovecot configs.

Tim.




These are the two changes I made to /etc/dovecot/conf.d/10-mail.conf


Sorry, don't know what happened there: I must have accidentally deleted the 
extra line!

diff --git a/dovecot/conf.d/10-mail.conf b/dovecot/conf.d/10-mail.conf
index b47235f..5b20997 100644
--- a/dovecot/conf.d/10-mail.conf
+++ b/dovecot/conf.d/10-mail.conf
@@ -27,7 +27,8 @@
 #
 # 
 #
-mail_location = mbox:~/mail:INBOX=/var/mail/%u
+#mail_location = mbox:~/mail:INBOX=/var/mail/%u
+mail_location = maildir:~/Maildir:INBOX=~/Maildir/INBOX:LAYOUT=fs

 # If you need to set multiple mailbox locations or want to change default
 # namespace settings, you can do it by defining namespace sections.
@@ -47,6 +48,7 @@ namespace inbox {
   # namespaces or some clients get confused. '/' is usually a good one.
   # The default however depends on the underlying mail storage format.
   #separator = 
+  separator = /


   # Prefix required to access this namespace. This needs to be different for
   # all namespaces. For example "Public/".

Re: Modify user PATH in GNOME in Debian 12

[Max Nikulin]

On 25/11/2023 10:50, Greg Wooledge wrote:

On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 10:28:13AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote:

SDDM does read /etc/profile and ~/.profile when starting a user session:
https://sources.debian.org/src/sddm/0.20.0-1/data/scripts/Xsession/


Interesting.  I wondered whether that might be a Debian patch, since I
couldn't see mention of it in the upstream SDDM changelog.


You are right. I posted a link to a wrong file. It should be
https://sources.debian.org/src/sddm/0.20.0-1/debian/Xsession/
Perhaps added in

sddm (0.11.0-4) unstable; urgency=medium
[...]
  * Add the Xsession script. (Closes: #794419)
[...]
 -- Maximiliano Curia   Thu, 03 Sep 2015 17:23:08 +0200


I expect that GDM contains similar code reading /etc/profile and ~/.profile.
LightDM Ubuntu package (but not Debian one) has it.


Ubuntu makes a change of that nature?  That surprises me.  It seems
uncharacteristically nerdy for their mission goal of dumbing everything
down to a common denominator.  Could it be an upstream change instead,
with Ubuntu simply using a newer upstream version than Debian?


I think that patch was added when Unity was the default session and 
LightDM was the default display manager. Nowadays it is Gnome and GDM.

Re: quick alpine config question?

[Tim Woodall]

On Fri, 24 Nov 2023, Tim Woodall wrote:


On Thu, 23 Nov 2023, Karen Lewellen wrote:


Hi folks,
We have a member of the greater Toronto Linux Users group, who rather 
enjoys setting up email accounts,hosting allot of them personally.
He is new to alpine though, our test of roundcube was almost, but not quite 
successful due to sloppy JavaScript coding on the send button.
where he is stuck at the moment is how to get alpine to display imap things 
like the sent mail folder int he folders list.
Dreamhost is having the same problem with some of our new office email 
accounts.
is there a specific imap server config file, or a choice from the main 
settings s, config c options?
Also, what about the imap aspect of certificates? I recall there is a new 
way to create the aph thing google requires.

Thanks for ideas.
Kare




Are you using mbox or Maildir? And is inbox in /home or /var/spool/mail?

I have this working with dovecot. Maildir with INBOX in /home.

I'll look up the config but it will probably be Saturday. I vaguely
recall having ti tweak something in the dovecot configs.

Tim.




These are the two changes I made to /etc/dovecot/conf.d/10-mail.conf

diff --git a/dovecot/conf.d/10-mail.conf b/dovecot/conf.d/10-mail.conf
index b47235f..5b20997 100644
--- a/dovecot/conf.d/10-mail.conf
+++ b/dovecot/conf.d/10-mail.conf
@@ -27,7 +27,8 @@
 #
 # 
 #
-mail_location = mbox:~/mail:INBOX=/var/mail/%u
+#mail_location = mbox:~/mail:INBOX=/var/mail/%u
+mail_location = maildir:~/Maildir:INBOX=~/Maildir/INBOX:LAYOUT=fs

 # If you need to set multiple mailbox locations or want to change default
 # namespace settings, you can do it by defining namespace sections.
@@ -47,6 +48,7 @@ namespace inbox {
   # namespaces or some clients get confused. '/' is usually a good one.
   # The default however depends on the underlying mail storage format.
   #separator = 
+  separator = /


   # Prefix required to access this namespace. This needs to be different for
   # all namespaces. For example "Public/".

Re: Debian archive rsync service changed

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 08:13:03AM -0500, Dan Ritter wrote:
> In case people didn't see the announcment:
> --
> 
> The worldwide Debian mirrors network has served archive.debian.org via both 
> HTTP and rsync. As part of improving the reliability of the service for 
> users, the Debian mirrors team is separating the access methods to different 
> host names:
> 
> http://archive.debian.org/ will remain the entry point for HTTP clients such 
> as APT
> 
> rsync://rsync.archive.debian.org/debian-archive/ is now available for those 
> who wish to mirror all or parts of the archives.
> 
> rsync service on archive.debian.org has stopped, and we encourage anyone 
> using the service to migrate to the new host name as soon as possible.
> --
> 
> 
> I am not responsible for any part of this, I'm just relaying the
> news.
> 

Thanks!

Sincerely, Byung-Hee

texinfo infofiles

[Chielllo Boss]

Dear debian users / team, defenders of the free world, titans of the
digital age,

A new install of debian does not contain texinfo by default.
After installing texinfo, many of the info files are missing.
Only after reinstalling a package, the corresponding info file will be
installed.

I have not found a wiki page about the info utility on the debian wiki,
nor found information about installing all info files of installed packages
in a reasonably easy manner.
This may be because the search term "info" is not very useful on most
browsers.

I'm not sure if you consider this a problem, or what the best solution is.
Perhaps an easy solution exists, which I'm missing and can't find.
I'll be so brave (with my limited knowledge) to propose creating a wiki
page for the info utility,
where problems like these can be covered.


With kind regards,
Machiel

Re: Installation d'un paquet pour un groupe d'utilisateur

[Alex PADOLY]

Bonjour Didier,

Merci pour votre aide.

Je ne suis pas la seule personne à me poser cette question.

Une personne a écrit un petit tutoriel que j'ai suivi et testé avec 
Abiword, ça marche.


Voici le lien :

https://forum-francophone-linuxmint.fr/viewtopic.php?t=13220

Bon week-end !

Le 2023-11-24 01:00, didier gaumet a écrit :


Le 23/11/2023 à 16:04, Alex PADOLY a écrit :


Bonsoir à tous,

Sur un serveur LTSP, comment peut-on faire pour installer un logiciel 
pour un utilisateur ou un groupe d'utilisateur.


Sans certitude, je pense que cela pourrait se faire avec dpkg -i.

Merci pour vos réponses.


Avertissement: je m'y colle parce que personne ne t'a répondu pour 
l'instant mais je n'ai jamais installé de serveur donc ce que je te dis 
est à prendre avec précautions


J'aurais tendance à faire comme suit (peut-être justement parce que je 
ne suis pas familier avec une autre approche qui serait plus 
appropriée):


soit:

- créer un groupe utilisateur par appli à installer, pour chaque appli 
modifier les utilisateurs appelés à utiliser celle-ci afin de les 
incorporer dans le groupe de l'appli, modifier le groupe du binaire de 
l'appli pour que ce soit le groupe de l'appli, restreindre les droits 
d'exécution du binaire de l'appli exclusivement à l'utilisateur 
propriétaire et au groupe propriétaire à l'exclusion des autres


ou

- gérer ça avec des ACL (j'ai pas creusé)